Book Two "Key" to Series?

Originally posted by Morgoth (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=63118#post63118))
Harry & Tom's reaction to Dumbledore's questions. Both denied there was something wrong or had something to offer the debate. It shows a part of Harry is unduly influenced by Voldemort's power.

Harry really questions his powers and where he's from in the book, causing a conflict of feelings about where he belongs. Dumbledore teaching Harry about choices is a key point. Harry has choices to make for good or bad, but it maybe that he'll make a bad choice in later books that affects his conscience.

The emergence of the House Elves. Key players in future books and a possible unlikely ally to Harry in a possible conflict. I can see the Elves having a great impact on a battle with the Dementors.

Aragog and the spiders. Again, Hagrid's bond with the spider may prove useful especially if Hagrid is the character killed off as many think. Aragog's reaction could be quite deadly for his killers.

The Chamber of Secrets can still be used by those wanting access to Hogwarts. Voldemort may well use it as a base in later books.

Godric's sword indicates Harry maybe related by blood to the Wizard.


I especially agree with this point. I love watching the scene about choices in C of S because I always try and suss what's going on and how this is going to be important in later books.

I also strongly believe that the House Elves have more power than people think and that could be one of the reasons why Dumbledore takes them on. He thinks they could be useful later..

Chamber of Secrets was on the movie station yesterday and I was at my computer just kind of listening to it. Well at the end (both in the book and movie) Harry tells Dobby, "Just promise never to try and save my life again," and I thought that that statement might come back to haunt Harry. If Harry was in trouble I wonder if Dobby would try to save him life even though Harry had asked him not to again. It could be something that comes back later to be important.

Originally posted by MadMagic (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=304102#post304102))
Chamber of Secrets was on the movie station yesterday and I was at my computer just kind of listening to it. Well at the end (both in the book and movie) Harry tells Dobby, "Just promise never to try and save my life again," and I thought that that statement might come back to haunt Harry. If Harry was in trouble I wonder if Dobby would try to save him life even though Harry had asked him not to again. It could be something that comes back later to be important.


Nice post! I think you're right. I mean, Dobby's kinda daft right. Anything the "Great Harry Potter" will tell him, he'll do it.

About being in Knockturn Alley, it makes sense. Just last night, my sister and I were debating why was Hagrid in Knockturn Alley. Maybe he really did go there for some other reason and not just for the Flesh-Eating Slug Repellant. Maybe he has some business there. Not fishy and suspicious business but I think it's another of his errands for Dumbledore.

Originally posted by Girl (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=293073#post293073))
What clues does book give us?
Here are a few which I thought of:

*The Chamber could hold more secrets


Wow, 20+ pages to see if someone had brought this idea up before.

I have been thinking that this Chamber is awfully big and its sole purpose was to house a basilisk? That doesn't seem possible. Of course Salizar could have used it for some other purpose in his day. Does the plural "Secrets" suggest that something(s) else is still there?

Chamber of Secrets was on the movie station yesterday and I was at my computer just kind of listening to it. Well at the end (both in the book and movie) Harry tells Dobby, "Just promise never to try and save my life again," and I thought that that statement might come back to haunt Harry. If Harry was in trouble I wonder if Dobby would try to save him life even though Harry had asked him not to again. It could be something that comes back later to be important.


I doubt this. Harry told Dobby to go away in the beginning too, but did Dobby do it? No. I don't think Dobby would let Harry die just because he said he wouldn't try to save him again.

Harry & Tom's reaction to Dumbledore's questions. Both denied there was something wrong or had something to offer the debate. It shows a part of Harry is unduly influenced by Voldemort's power.

I really don't think this is true. Harry wouldn't have told Dumbledore anyway-he wanted to solve the mystery for himself. He has shown this trait over and over throughout his time at Hogwarts. I don't think this has anything to do with Voldemort's influence.

I thought that Harry didn't want to tell Dumbledore what he knew back in CoS, because he didn't want to admit he had been hearing things to Dumbledore. Plus, Hermione and Ron told him that hearing voices wasn't a good sign. It just seemed to me that Harry held back with Dumbledore because, maybe he didn't want Dumbledore worrying about him, regarding his hearing voices. Maybe Harry thought of this as a weakness of some sort, until he understood what the voices were.

Okay. Just a few words. I was reading this book about magical things related to the Harry Potter world and there is something mentioned about the Basilisk. It says there that one of the Basilisk's weaknesses is the scent of a weasel. Weasel-Weasley. Obviously sounds similar right?

Earlier in the day, I was reading CoS and well, I noticed that when the Basilisk came out of Slytherin's statue mouth, he didn't attack Ginny who was sprawled on the floor unconscious, wandless, completely vulnerable. But instead of attacking the unconscious girl, the serpent ignored her and attacked Harry instead. Yeah I know the snake was under Riddle's command but even a small mouse could notice a kid on the floor!

Why didn't the Basilisk attack her or even took notice of her considering she was the most vulnerable victim in the Chamber?

The Basilisk fact about the weasel scent hit me. Is it possible that there is something to the Weasleys or Ginny herself that is protecting her to from danger? I'm not saying the Weasleys or Ginny smells like a weasel and is somehow related or is similar to a weasel but the fact that the Basilisk didn't touch her or (as I've noticed) considered killing her instead. I have a feeling this is the thing that JK mentioned about something important happening in the Chamber that we all thought is insignificant but truth is, it is. Do you think that it's possible we'll find something about that in book5? The teaser sticker of OotP had snakes so I assume there will be something about snakes, serpents, and the basilisk.

Just some thoughts.
;)

It could be that Riddle had just ordered the basilisk to attack Harry first.......

Ginny had to stay alive because Riddle was taking over her life force, hmm how trekki of me.

Hmm...but wouldn't Tom have become a solid entity if Ginny died? Anyway, he said that Harry was his target.

I think Malfoy chose ginny for the diary because she was the preteen girl and if someting liked this happened in the weasly family, their family would be highly disgraced or shunned through out the wizarding world. Malfoy would love this to happen to arthur cuz he hates him.

Originally posted by Puffskein (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=325323#post325323))
Hmm...but wouldn't Tom have become a solid entity if Ginny died?


Tom would have become full only if he finished sucking out Ginny's life, if the basilisk killed her he would have lost his chance to be whole again. I think the basilisk didnt go after her because he ordered it to kill Harry first.

Did DD forsee the whole chamber of secret thing ahead of time? They did grow the mandrakes and get the flesh eating slug repelant to protect them, growing mandrakes must not be common practice or they would have a crop. Also did he hire Lockhart the poster boy for idiots because he didnt want anyone to stop Riddle from opening the chamber and harry from stopping him. If the above was true, why? and what baring does it have on future books.

That's really interesting. I never really considered book 2 much more than a character developer and something to pass the time from SS/PS to PoA. Boy do I feel dumb

Nice work sugarquill

That's definetely worth thinking about.

Unfortunately a little part of me thinks it was justeasy to write it like that for convienence.

I hope it is something like that though.

Originally posted by sugarquill (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=335497#post335497))
Did DD forsee the whole chamber of secret thing ahead of time? They did grow the mandrakes and get the flesh eating slug repelant to protect them, growing mandrakes must not be common practice or they would have a crop. Also did he hire Lockhart the poster boy for idiots because he didnt want anyone to stop Riddle from opening the chamber and harry from stopping him. If the above was true, why? and what baring does it have on future books.



I took it for granted that the mandrakes were just a convient coincidence. I agree that mandrakes are not a commonly crown plant at Hogwarts. I forget the quote I am thinking of but it seems the book does imply it. I could see this senerio playing out though. We see in the first book that Harry and Co do suggest that Dumbledore would set up a situation like that for Harry to encounter if he so chooses.
Why? Prehaps Dumbledore wants to train/ prepare Harry for life in ways the classroom cannot. In the future, I think we will see Harry get more and more responsibilities.

I don't like the idea that Dumbledore somehow engineers ALL of Harry's adventures. That would be too contrived. The only person who foresees what happens to Harry should be JKR, although Dumbledore could have a good guess at what Harry would do judging by his character.

How do we know that mandrakes aren't commonly grown? It might be only second years who learn about them. If I was running a magic school, it would always be useful to grow some mandrakes just in case. Dumbledore hired Lockhart because no-one else wanted the job and Lockhart did a good job of making himself out as a DADA expert. I can't believe Dumbledore would knowingly hire a bad teacher for a whole year. I also can't believe DD would want Riddle to open the chamber.

But Doubledore didn't knowit was Riddle who open the chamber.
What do you mean Puffskein?

How do you know that mandrakes are not grown in Hogworts? They might not be grown each year because they are in surply. Maybe it just happened that in that year they were running low and needed to plant more.
I don't think that Dumbledore could forsee the events in CoS. I don't think that he would want the Chamber to be reopened. What if someone died again?

First Id like to say this is may first post so hello all
Secondly couldnt it be the fact that Phoenix tears have healing powers?
I mean the next book is order of the PHOENIX
and I remember reading that harry might have a pet but that J.K.Rowling wouldnt say any more than that in an interview
What if Harry starts carrying around a phoenix with him?
I know it doesnt seem likely but I feel we should explore any possible options if we want to find the answer before the whole series is written and as to Snowy Owl it would make things quite repetitive if she used the same chamber twice but I guess it would make CoS fit in better with the rest of the series if it is to be used again for a while I kind of thought J.K. was losing her touch untill I read the third book because it seemed so out of place it would kind of tie it in with the rest. Sorry if my idea has already been voiced or if it is really stupid

:welcome: to the forums, Gred!

I agree with the idea that Fawkes is the important thing introduced in Book 2. We see him healing Harry in GoF as well, and I'm sure that those handy-dandy healing powers and those heavy-load-carrying-abilities can't be a coincidence.

I also don't think that it's possible for DD to be behind all of Harry's adventures. In SS it seemed logical, but if he knew about it in CoS, it would definitely seem like he was incompetent and allowing one of his students to go forth into potential death. And then in GoF--nope, I'm pretty sure Dumbles didn't see that one coming.

Couldn't somebody use the phoenix tears for their own benefit, and like make the phoenix cry into bottles and market it? Or like turn a phoenix evil and help the side of evil to win over good? Just a crazy rambleing by me.

Originally posted by bubblesofdeath88 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=336820#post336820))
Couldn't somebody use the phoenix tears for their own benefit, and like make the phoenix cry into bottles and market it?


And make infomercials? That would be very evil. Maybe that's how the Malfoys made all that money.

The mandrakes werent commenly grown at the school or else all those petrified people wouldnt have had to wait for the plants to mature and the cure to be ready. As for the rest of my argument, well, how else would u explain it. I mean Lockhart was so obvious an idiot that Harry got the measure of him the first time he met him. I cant believe DD didn't know what a fake bafoon he was. As for there being no one else to take his place, they found people in following years. Lets put it this way, no DADA class would have been more benificial to hours of what lockhart's favorite color was. No i'm sorry it just doesnt make sense to me.

In the second book when the phoenix is reborn Dumbledore says to Harry "and they (referring to the phoenix)make highly faithful pets" faithful being in italics to emphasisize this.

Therefore would it be reasonable to assume that the the order of the phoenix refers to the faithful supporters , but good or bad?

Originally posted by too_wicked (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=325032#post325032))
Okay. Just a few words. I was reading this book about magical things related to the Harry Potter world and there is something mentioned about the Basilisk. It says there that one of the Basilisk's weaknesses is the scent of a weasel. Weasel-Weasley. Obviously sounds similar right?

Earlier in the day, I was reading CoS and well, I noticed that when the Basilisk came out of Slytherin's statue mouth, he didn't attack Ginny who was sprawled on the floor unconscious, wandless, completely vulnerable. But instead of attacking the unconscious girl, the serpent ignored her and attacked Harry instead. Yeah I know the snake was under Riddle's command but even a small mouse could notice a kid on the floor!

Why didn't the Basilisk attack her or even took notice of her considering she was the most vulnerable victim in the Chamber?

The Basilisk fact about the weasel scent hit me. Is it possible that there is something to the Weasleys or Ginny herself that is protecting her to from danger? I'm not saying the Weasleys or Ginny smells like a weasel and is somehow related or is similar to a weasel but the fact that the Basilisk didn't touch her or (as I've noticed) considered killing her instead. I have a feeling this is the thing that JK mentioned about something important happening in the Chamber that we all thought is insignificant but truth is, it is. Do you think that it's possible we'll find something about that in book5? The teaser sticker of OotP had snakes so I assume there will be something about snakes, serpents, and the basilisk.

Just some thoughts.
;)


To add a little something to the post, was it pure accident that Ron was sperated from Harry on the way to the CoS? Or maybe was that a little convinent? It might be a stretch, but you never know.

*The Chamber could hold more secrets

A good point because it is the Chamber of Secrets

well Ive noticed several people mention that the houseelves could be very important but I think Im going to put that train on another track for a quick moment Hermoine has stated that apparating(sp?) cant be down on or to Hogwarts grounds but isnt that how they get around? Well obviously this would be another kind of apparation(sp?) so is it possible that a human could do that and get onto hogwarts grounds without anyone knowing someone such as Voldemort or a spy?

Notice that Riddle says that only the Heir of Slytherin could open up the chamber of Secrets. Riddle spoke through Ginny, so that means it was Riddle who opened it, not Ginny. But Harry also opened it too. Do you suppose that maybe Harry, while being Heir of gryffindor, is also a second Heir of Slytherin as well? Maybe that is where his green eyes come into play. If Harry is the Heir of Both founders, imagine how much power and potential he has. No wonder Voldemort would want to kill him off, Harry could end up being unstoppable. Kinda cool, huh? :eyebrows:

Cheers :smooch:

Hagrid tells Harry and Ron that DD hired Lockheart because no one else applied for the job, which in my mind knocks out the "Snape wants the dada position." I don't think so. Seems like a ruse to me.

As for Harry being the heir of both slytherin and gryffindor. My daughter thinks that petunia and lily are Tom Riddle's daughters. Petunia is a squib and lily is a freak because she's a goody two shoes who was sorted into gryffindor. We think that Harry is safe with the dursleys because the Big V promised to protect petunia and her household as the daughter who, though a squid, didn't betray him. When Harry became a part of petunia's household, that protection covered him, too. And doesn't Dudley seem a muggle version of a slytherin? Someone on another thread suggested that Vernon may have been descended from giants. He is a large boorish type.


Fire at will!

OK one thing that I would like to add about the comparision between voldemort and Harry:
In CoS harry tells DD that he cant help but notice some similarities between himself and TOM RIDDLE. He doesnt compare himself to Voldemort. But Harry and Tom do have a lot in common...both orphans, and part muggle, and I know there are others, but I cant remember them. The thing is that DD goes on to tell Harry the importance of choices. Tom Riddle was a powerful wizard, and used that power for Evil....hence he stopped being Tom Riddle and became Voldemort. Harry has the choice of what to do with his power. Use it for good or use it for evil.

Right. Lily's choices tipped the balance. Harry's choices will determine the outcome.

I haevn't been around in this thread for a while, but here goes anyway...

Two things.

First, the phoenix. It occured to me that either DD is saying that Fawkes is faithful to him, but because Harry can call him he will be faithful to Harry to. And, though I don't like this thought... if DD dies, Fawkes will become Harry's bird, Harry's protector.

Second thing. On the DVD walkthrough for CoS, you stop in the Chamber and the voice-over says. 'Take a good look around, there is a lot in here' or soemthing like that. I found it very interesting when I did it. Anyone else notice something similar?

Okay, I really only skimmed the last 22 pages, but I'd like to weigh in on a few items I found very interesting in book 2. JKR repeats things in an off-handed manner to add a subtle emphasis. Several things happen/are said more than once in CoS.

1. Dobby disapparates more than once on the Hogwarts grounds. In book 3, Hermione states on several occassions (and Snape says at least once) that YOU CANNOT DISAPPARATE ON THE HOGWARTS GROUNDS. This illustrates exactly how strong the magic of a house-elf is........stronger than any human wizard.

2. On at least two occasions, when Draco's name is mentioned, the first reply is "Lucius Malfoy's son?" I think the relationship between Draco and his father is VERY important for future story lines and this illustrates it perfectly. Just as at Hogwarts Draco must survive in the shadow of Harry Potter, I believe in the wizarding world he is simply Lucius Malfoy's son, a situtation he may oneday seek to remedy. How? I don't know. I also see Draco striving for his father's approval/love and getting only criticism (about his grades, the way he talks about Harry Potter.....) whereas it's apparent that his mother cares about him (always sending him care packages, vetoing Lucius bid to send him to Durmstrang so he could be closer to home). Could this become important later on? Maybe.

3. On more than one occasion a character mentions how much Tom Riddle reminds them of Percy. We also see references to the fact that Percy would do anything for a bit of power, perhaps even betray his family.

4. In both the film and the book, during the scene in Hagrid's hut when he's being taken away to Azkaban, DD makes it painfully obvious that he knows alot more of what's going on that one might think. (i.e. his little speech not only illustrates that he knows the 3 are there under the cloak, but also gives Harry the crucial piece of information he needs to call Fawkes later on.)

Just my 4 observations...........

To reply to Jaredd:

1. This has been mentioned before, and I do agree that it's very important somehow.

2. Very interesting. Any parallels between Harry and Draco in the 'love-of-a-mother' stakes?

3. Hmm, Percy's loyaties. I do think that it's likely that Percy will do something bad, but because he is a good person at heart he'll probably feel terribley guilty about it afterwards.

4. DD can see through that cloak I reckon. He seems to have a lot of the capabilities of Moody's magic eye, which makes me wonder how that eye worked. A concentration of magic that sort of cancelled out other magic in the area that the looker is looking? It certainly adds weight to my theory about eyes being the source of magical power...

i think some of the things people are mentioning are a bit too obvious...JK worked hard to hide the clues...i think that snape being able to read minds and harry feeling like he is like tom riddle are clues to later plots...

i know i am a couple of months late on this thread...i think book2 is foreshadowing by giving examples of things to happen in the furure....

-Linnea

i know i am a couple of months late on this thread...i think book2 is foreshadowing by giving examples of things to happen in the furure....

Exactly. We learn a lot of things in book 2 that are important in the latter books. First, the Polyjuice Potion. We learned about that potion in CoS and Harry and Co. brewed it. In GoF, it was used to hide Barty Crouch's true identity. Houseelves were introduced and are important characters in the next books (GoF and OotP). We learn about Squibs and Muggleborns and we are sure that they will come out as important people in the future books.

Esbee: What did you see in the walkthrough? My boyfriend's brother borrowed mine now I don't have it.

THis point about Dobby aparating and disaparating in Hogwarts has been on my mind. Harry is going to go somewhere outside the magical world in bk5. Do you suppose that liberated elves have their own world and Harry may go there with Dobby? I'm more inclined to think it has to do with Harry learning more about aspects of Death, but .....

Thats why I think the important room might be the kitchen as only house elves seem to be able to apparate. Maybe the kitchen leads to this other world

gets more interesting all the time

I just thought of something yesterday (I'm not quite sure if this has been posted or not ) in the book and the movie, at the end, when Mr. Malfoy goes to Professor Dumbledore's office, DD tels him to make sure that none of Voldemorts od school things make there way into innocent hands. What's with his other school things? We might see them later, if Vodie is trying to take over the school in future books...

I like the idea with the other school things, or maybe that the Malfoys get raided and it's the final straw for Lucius, and he kinda flips... especially since Voldie is back.

As for the walkthrough I couldn't really find anything but we were all having a look as a family and Dad had the remote control, so I could've missed something important... I'll try and check again tomorrow. Has anyone else got the DVD to look for themselves? It just seemed very odd to me that the voice-over guy should draw attention to walls and that in the chamber when there is pretty obviously not much there...

Which gives me a thought. Has anybody got the description from CoS (the book) of what Harry sees in the chamber? I just wondered if she mentioned a statue or something...

Morgoth mentioned "Harry has choices to make for good or bad, but it maybe that he'll make a bad choice in later books that affects his conscience. " and it reminded me of something I read a while back. It said that in book 5 Herry would have to make a decision between what is right and what is easy. Dumbledoor's advise about our choices rather than our talents making us who we are may be a relevant nod to that.

Originally posted by Essbee (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=352689#post352689))


Which gives me a thought. Has anybody got the description from CoS (the book) of what Harry sees in the chamber? I just wondered if she mentioned a statue or something...


"Then, as he drew level with the last pair of pillars, a statue high as the Chamber itself loomed into view, standing against the back wall.
Harry had to crane his neck to look up into the giant face above. It was ancient and monkeyish, with a long, thin beard that fell almost to the bottom of the wizard's sweeping stone robes, where two enormous gray feet stood on the smooth Chamber floor."
(CoS Am ed pg 306-307)

Monkeyish?!

Originally posted by whizbang121 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=354370#post354370))
"Then, as he drew level with the last pair of pillars, a statue high as the Chamber itself loomed into view, standing against the back wall.
Harry had to crane his neck to look up into the giant face above. It was ancient and monkeyish, with a long, thin beard that fell almost to the bottom of the wizard's sweeping stone robes, where two enormous gray feet stood on the smooth Chamber floor."
(CoS Am ed pg 306-307)

Monkeyish?!


Which is odd, because that doesn't look much like what we saw in the film at all. It was only the face, I'm sure. So perhaps it's relevant that the Basilisk come from inside Salazar's mouth. Like, snake from mouth, snake language from mouth?

I also wonder what it behind that statue. Something must be. I mean, a whopping great creature like the Basilisk would need a very big area for living in. Also, what does it eat? Is that back there as well? And other things behind there, perhaps? If you crawl through that hole. You'd have to speak parseltongue to try it, so your secrets would be safe from non-heirs... It just seems odd that he'd go to all that trouble, then leave a snake in a chamber. Perhaps there's information of some sorts? Curses? Old magic?

Monkeyish? You shouldn't have posted that, because now I am going to want to make comparisions between Slytherin and a certain American political figure. But I'll leave it alone. I'm such a good little girl.

That statue could be important. And for some reason, I wouldn't be surprised if we end up in the chamber again. Maybe their is something secret and important behind the statue. Like a hideaway.

I really love this thread! Esbee, without you, this thread is a goner.

Originally posted by jerb (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=355209#post355209))
That statue could be important. And for some reason, I wouldn't be surprised if we end up in the chamber again. Maybe their is something secret and important behind the statue. Like a hideaway.


I totally agree with you. I have a feeling we will be back in the Chamber in book5. I don't think the Basilisk is really finished. Speaking of which, Nagini, Voldie's snake is quite big for a snake in my opinion. Can he be half-basilisk? We have half-breeds all over HP, why not snakes right?

The first thing that comes to my mind when you mention the snake coming out of the mouth of the statue of Salazar Slytherins head is the Dark Mark. Go look at GoF there is a picture at the beginning of one of the chapters and it the dark mark which is a skull with a snake coming out of its mouth.

I don't know about the statue and what it might hold, but I certainly think that the chamber holds something else besides the basilisk. Considering there is a lot of talk going about the heirs of gryffondor, slytherin, mcdonalds, ect...Maybe if the heir thing really does become important, the
chamber of secretS
holds important clues to the heir of slytherin and what he really did and his beliefs.

NOTICE: the chamber is the chamber of secret "s" not secret (non-plural) So having the basilisk is one secret. What is the other!!!!:??:

Originally posted by too_wicked (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=355218#post355218))
I really love this thread! Esbee, without you, this thread is a goner.


Aww, thanks! It's good to be appreciated.

Originally posted by too_wicked (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=355218#post355218))

I totally agree with you. I have a feeling we will be back in the Chamber in book5. I don't think the Basilisk is really finished. Speaking of which, Nagini, Voldie's snake is quite big for a snake in my opinion. Can he be half-basilisk? We have half-breeds all over HP, why not snakes right?


Yeah, that idea works for me, certainly. And he likes eating people...

The first thing that comes to my mind when you mention the snake coming out of the mouth of the statue of Salazar Slytherins head is the Dark Mark. Go look at GoF there is a picture at the beginning of one of the chapters and it the dark mark which is a skull with a snake coming out of its mouth.

I hadn't thought of that, but you're right. Is that a nod towards Salazar from Voldie perhaps, or maybe even a sign that Salazar created himself during his lifetime but never used and Voldie found it in his extensive research and decided to use it?

Yay for all the good ideas! :clappy:

Originally posted by jerb (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=355209#post355209))
Monkeyish? You shouldn't have posted that, because now I am going to want to make comparisions between Slytherin and a certain American political figure. But I'll leave it alone. I'm such a good little girl.

lol
me, too. So it's better left, of course.

That statue could be important. And for some reason, I wouldn't be surprised if we end up in the chamber again. Maybe their is something secret and important behind the statue. Like a hideaway.



In the book, Riddle says something like " Speak to me Salazar Slytherin." The statue's mouth opens to reveal a huge hole and the snake rises from behind it. It probably isn't important that in the movie it's only the face.

Yeah, I was thinking that it reminded me of the Dark Mark too. It could be an old mark/symbol. Most of the Nazi symbols were used during Ancient Greek and Roman times. I wonder if the Dark Mark ever had a positive meaning. But that is very interesting.

Originally posted by Ecthelion (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=355302#post355302))
I don't know about the statue and what it might hold, but I certainly think that the chamber holds something else besides the basilisk. Considering there is a lot of talk going about the heirs of gryffondor, slytherin, mcdonalds, ect...Maybe if the heir thing really does become important, the
chamber of secretS
holds important clues to the heir of slytherin and what he really did and his beliefs.

NOTICE: the chamber is the chamber of secret "s" not secret (non-plural) So having the basilisk is one secret. What is the other!!!!:??:


Interesting question. And clues not only to the heir, but to old Sal himself. But then it kind of starts to wind itself up and around into the big V being the last ANCESTOR of the Slyz fiasco, (one of my favorite messes).

I wonder if there's a connection between the Arvada Kadarva and the dark mark? Death coming from the mouth? Probably an old idea that I missed.

I've always wondered: has that same basilisk always been around since Salazar Slytherin's time? Or is that a new one that was just born this year (or the year Tom Riddle opened the chamber)? I find it hard to believe something that big can survive just on rats and other random creatures that find their way into the chamber. Come to think of it, there must be a back entrance, because there aren't many rats I can think of that know Parseltongue... not even Wormtail. :P

Also, this is completely random but I noticed it while re-reading the books. During the dueling scene -

Harry swung his wand high, but Malfoy had already started on "two":
His spell hit Harry so hard he felt as though he'd been hit over the
head with a saucepan. He stumbled, but everything still seemed to be
working, and wasting no more time, Harry pointed his wand straight at
Malfoy and shouted, "Rictusempra!"

I've always wondered if the only thing that unnamed spell did was make Harry feel like he got hit by a saucepan and stumble. Of course, if the spell was something more, we would have found out by now, since it's such a small point in the book that I doubt anyone would remember if say, JK brought it up again in the 5th book. Everyone would be like "What-?!?"

I've always thought that one of the biggest (and most overlooked point) of the book is this:

"If I say it myself, Harry, I've always been able to charm the people I needed. So Ginny poured out her soul to me, and her soul happened to be exactly what I wanted .... I grew stronger and stronger on a diet of her deepest fears, her darkest secrets. I grew powerful, far more powerful than little Miss Weasley. Powerful enough to start feeding Miss Weasley a few of my secrets, to start pouring a little of my soul back into her. . ."
"What d'you mean?" said Harry, whose mouth had gone very dry.
" Haven't you guessed yet, Harry Potter?" said Riddle softly. "Ginny
Weasley opened the Chamber of Secrets. She strangled the school
roosters and daubed threatening messages on the walls. She set the
Serpent of Slytherin on four Mudbloods, and the Squib's cat.

Like Harry, Ginny probably has a few... side effects... from her run-in with Tom Riddle.

I left in that last part of the quote because in another thread (I think the one about Percy's disappearing girlfriend), people weren't sure if Penelope was Muggle-born. Someone thought she just might have been near Hermione when the basilisk approached. I think this is pretty good proof that Penelope is Muggle-born, though.

What if Hagrid blabbed Hogwarts secrets when he was in Azkaban????

Originally posted by jerb (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=355904#post355904))
Yeah, I was thinking that it reminded me of the Dark Mark too. It could be an old mark/symbol. Most of the Nazi symbols were used during Ancient Greek and Roman times. I wonder if the Dark Mark ever had a positive meaning. But that is very interesting.


A positive meaning of a snake coming from a skull's mouth?!?!?

But yes, I see where you're coming from. There are actually a lot of parallels between Nazi Germany and Voldie's movement. Things like the whole 'pure-blood/mudblood' thing, as with the Jews, and extermination of those 'not fit' to be one of them. So there could be something in the symbol too. Although I do find it hard to believe that it could be positive from a symbol like that.

<i>Originally posted by Fuzzi95</i>
What if Hagrid blabbed Hogwarts secrets when he was in Azkaban????

There's an idea. I'm not sure how likely that is though, because even if he did say stuff I'm not sure that anyone there would be in a fit state to hear or report back to anyone.

Evil Ginny? I think we've touched on this at some point before now... Maybe not evil, just a more confident, worldly-wise Ginny. She actually seems to get over her infatuation with Harry after that, as if she is growing up...

How bout Harry being a parsel mouth? That didn't seem to be a real issue until book 2.

Originally posted by turraslo (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=359771#post359771))
How bout Harry being a parsel mouth? That didn't seem to be a real issue until book 2.


Good point. It also really hasn't been an issue since, which yells 'plot device!!!' at me like anything...

What we're looking for is something that ends up not furthering the plot in anyway, but is introduced in book two.

For example - the house elves. Not really relevant, but play a big part in book four (Winky) and also in book five (I reckon).

The Polyjuice potion also. It tells them nothing, but it's a majoy plot-point in book four. So can anyone think of any redundant points in book two?

The car perhaps? Being alive in the forest?

What about Knockturn alley and the shop Harry ended up in
Im sure that will feature again

Azkaban prison, moaning myrtle, magical time changing in the TR diary, the whomping willow, the shrieking shack.

Originally posted by caroline40 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=360377#post360377))
What about Knockturn alley and the shop Harry ended up in
Im sure that will feature again


And just why exactly was Hagrid down in Knockturn Alley? Do you think that has significance? Maybe there's just a lot of pubs down there, but the strangers walking about didn't seem too friendly.

I suppose its possible that Hagrid was sent to rescue Harry if the theory about watches is correct ie someone is watching over him and saw he was potentially in danger

I think that Hagrid being down Knockturn Alley is significant, yes. They certainly drew attention to it in the movie. He was a lot more suspicious about it in the film than in the book. But his hesitation didn't last long - it wasn't like when Hagrid usually bends the truth or holds something back, he was a lot more certain of himself. Maybe the question just caught him off gaurd.

I think maybe he's in contact with more Giants than he admits. Family friends maybe? Connected via a contact in Knockturn? Or maybe he visits a Calirvoyant or something to talk to his Dad? It's the sort of thing that Hagrid would consider shady and not want to mention but anyone else would go 'that was all?!?!'

Originally posted by caroline40 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=360630#post360630))
I suppose its possible that Hagrid was sent to rescue Harry if the theory about watches is correct ie someone is watching over him and saw he was potentially in danger


I definitely think there's loads evidence that Harry is watched.

Hey not everything is put in the books. Rowling is trying to make you explore the books to understand. Voldemort must be close to 70 and McGonagall is like 72. ;)

Voldie is 69, isn't he? He was 16 when the Chamber was opened, and that was 50 years ago as of CoS, and now it's three years later than that (OotP), so that's 50+16+3.

I think another reason that some people have skipped when thinking about book two being important to the series is dobby. In book two, we all of a sudden find a creature who can apparate with a snap of his fingers, perform spells without a wand, break into and tamper with a magically enhanced object (bludger), and cause a fully grown, powerful wizard to back off even though he was full of rage and humiliation.

This too me seems very interesting. For one, in order to do these things, you have to be quite powerful in magic to do it. Hagrid himself said it would take a powerful wizard to tamper with a bludger. And with dobby not having to use a wand, these creatures could be very helpful indeed to say, the fight against Voldemort?

But even more important, you need to remember where dobby came from. The malfoys. Sooner or later we will gleen some information from dobby about this evil dark family. This to me signifies dobby to be one of the most important and vital characters even though he apears just speratically throughout the books.

Hmm, yeah. I think the house elves will play a great part.

What worries me more is the thought of an angry house elf. Think of the trouble that one unruly and mad house elf could do. Isn't tehre somethign about an evil house elf in OotP?

jkr's heroine was a civil rights activist named jessica mitford, (she named her daughter after mitford), so I think it's safe to assume the elf liberation movement will up again.

When you think that Dobbys intentions were good and he could do so much then imagine what an evil minded elf could do?

ouch!

In CoS after Ginny is taken to the CoS, McGonagall says "We shall have to send all the students home tomorrow. This is the end of Hogwarts. Dumbledore always said..." but we don't find out what Dumbledore always said. There is definately more to this than JKR is letting us know right now. I also remember this passage being reference in the movie. This has to be important. Dumbledore, and McGonagall know something that we don't (and probably should) know. Definately a key to the mystery.

Oh I forgot something....does anyone else remember reading in CoS chapeter 4 that Percy Weasly was "deeply immersed" in a book called "Prefects Who Gained Power"? Hmmmm.....Tom Riddle was a prefect wasn't he???

As a matter of fact, Tom Riddle was a prefect. A Slytherin prefect, <BubbazGirl shudders> the idea thoroughly scares me. :scared:

I'm surprised there isn't a thread on Percy's reading material. And good point, firefightingmuggle, about the unfinished sentence. Hmmmmm.....

Hm... the spoilers for book 5 did say there's a venemous, disgruntled house elf... perhaps Dobby will witness one of the Malfoys attempting to hex Harry and "accidentally" let something about his past with the Malfoys slip (nice catch ecthelion).

I don't know if this has been said already. But I am in the middle of rereading COS and it says that Percy was near the Slytherin common room. I always assumed he was visiting Penelope (sp). But we don't know where Ravenclaw's common room is, so who really knows. Maybe this is also a hint.

I have a lot of thoughts on book 2. First, in regard to the overall plot of the series, I believe that Fawkes being a Pheonix and the ancient myth of pheonixes being that of rebirth, will play an immensely large role in the future plot. The rebirth of a pheonix is such a significant ancient myth and symbol, that's it's very hard for me to believe that JKR won't use that in later books; as she has already shown us with other events that she likes to combine myth and legend. Do a search about pheonixes if you're curious, but they have become a symbol of rebirth and overcoming difficulties, as well as adversity, in several different religions and cultures. To add to this, JKR did comment in an interview once about her own religious beliefs and how she was glad that people did not get into a discussion about them with her because then they could probably figure out the ending of the series. So, obviously we know she has deep religious values and that those values are in some way woven into the series. I think if you put two and two together, the Pheonix becomes extremely significant, yet very subtle, because right now we are really only led to believe that Fawkes is just a special pet.

The second most important key that I personally found was Tom Riddle and Harry being the prime examples for the "choosing what is right and what is easy" theory. I feel that this theme really comes into play during book 2. I believe that JKR intended for Tom and Harry to be very much alike from family to appearance in order to make us think about choices that are so different when two people are so much alike. Obviously, Tom Riddle seemed to have made more choices that were easy (implying that choosing evil is easy). He obviously did not utilize his skills to do good deeds, and I think we are shown here what path making the, "easy choice" will take. I believe that it's easy to create a hero who is sensitive and a mad man who came from a dysfunctional past, but in this case, we are able to see that evil really can result from choice and that even Harry is susceptible to it.

Third: The sword of Godric Gryffindor. My theory is that James Potter was actually an heir of Gryffindor and then of course in the same bloodline, would be Harry. I believe that this is why James had inherited so much money and I also wouldn't be surprised if the reason why Dumbledore knew James so well was because James worked closely with Dumbledore during and after Hogwarts. If this were true, then I would like to assume that James and Lily were hiding from Voldemort because Voldemort knew how powerful a wizard James was and how powerful little Harry could be, and wanted to rid them both. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Voldemort was trying to kill anything and everything that was close to Dumbledore. Therefore, my theory rests that book 2 is even more significant because it's the first time we really understand why the sword appeared and why Harry was meant to be in Gryffindor (another example of choice).

Those are my top three beliefs, though the flying car saving Harry and Ron in the Forbidden Forest has always been interesting to me because it happened in such a way where you just know Harry is being closely watched (unless a car really can be that magical and psychic?). Wouldn't it be interesting if Snape were the one that was really watching over Harry the most? Hmm...

OK, so just a thought. If JK is Christain (which I assume she is) then I hope by what she says about the series ending she doesn't mean that Harry, like Jesus, will die to save everyone else... <shudders>

I still think that it's possibel that Fawkes may become arry's pet at some point in the future, especially if Dumbledore dies.

On the percy theme - many references in the books are made to Percy's thirst for position and power. He is highly ambitious and also highly intellegent. Anybody noticing the similarities in personality traits between Voldie and Percy... Percy has the ability to move up the ranks in the ministry swiftly, so depending on the flow of power which side would he lean on??? The underlying theme of the books are about choices - everything points to Percy taking the easy choice and who is to say he doesn't admire Voldemort for his rise to power after all he looks disfavourably at his own father who constantly passes up the opportunity of promotion to further himself in favour of happiness. Just a thought anyone else think that Percy could have an important role to play in the future books????

Percy is interesting. He favours what is easy over what is right so far, yes. Will he betray the Weasleys and Harry to Fudge at some point? Certainly possible. I don't think he wants to do anything bad, but he believes that the rules are always right, and if he had to choose between following the rules and doing the 'right' thing, he'd probably follow the rules. Which is a shame, because I don't think he means harm. He's not an evil guy I don't think. :devil:

OK, so just a thought. If JK is Christain (which I assume she is) then I hope by what she says about the series ending she doesn't mean that Harry, like Jesus, will die to save everyone else... <shudders>

Actually, I've always thought that Harry would sacrifice himself in order to kill Voldemort once and for all. Also, upon hearing that the last word is SUPPOSEDLY (complete rumored) "scar", I didn't think that Harry's scar would disappear; rather, I thought that someone else may get a scar in the shape of a lightning bolt.

[quote]Originally posted by PotterIdentity (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=366766#post366766))
I have a lot of thoughts on book 2. First, in regard to the overall plot of the series, I believe that Fawkes being a Pheonix and the ancient myth of pheonixes being that of rebirth, will play an immensely large role in the future plot. The rebirth of a pheonix is such a significant ancient myth and symbol, that's it's very hard for me to believe that JKR won't use that in later books; as she has already shown us with other events that she likes to combine myth and legend. Do a search about pheonixes if you're curious, but they have become a symbol of rebirth and overcoming difficulties, as well as adversity, in several different religions and cultures. To add to this, JKR did comment in an interview once about her own religious beliefs and how she was glad that people did not get into a discussion about them with her because then they could probably figure out the ending of the series. So, obviously we know she has deep religious values and that those values are in some way woven into the series. I think if you put two and two together, the Pheonix becomes extremely significant, yet very subtle, because right now we are really only led to believe that Fawkes is just a special pet.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So, Fawkes the phoenix' death and rebirth in bk 2 are symbolic of the big V's rebirth in bk4?! I can see that! What implicaations does that have for the ootp? The more I think about this, the more I like it.

However ambitious Percy is, he was a Gryffindor, not a Slytherin. The difference (as far as I can tell from the Sorting Hat) is that Slytherins are willing to use any means to achieve their goals. I don't think Percy would knowingly betray his family, but he may well side with Fudge.

Originally posted by Bit (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=367193#post367193))
Actually, I've always thought that Harry would sacrifice himself in order to kill Voldemort once and for all. Also, upon hearing that the last word is SUPPOSEDLY (complete rumored) "scar", I didn't think that Harry's scar would disappear; rather, I thought that someone else may get a scar in the shape of a lightning bolt.


The Legacy of Harry?

Does this mean that they'll have a wizard religion, called Harrians? ;-)

Maybe not. I hope he doesn't die, but unfortuneately I can see it happening...

It's the Society For Those With Lightning Bolt Scars! LOL.

Alright, this is what I think. If it's already been posted I'm very sorry, and rock on person who posted it!!:D

Remember how Tom Riddle said down in the Chamber that "As Ginny poured her sould into me, I poured a little of my soul back into her."

Tom said this in both the book and the movie so it might just be important. Since Tom already knew he was going to be Lord Voldmorte, he was already evil....which means his soul was evil.

Now it is quite possible that when Tom was destroyed that all of the evil in Ginny dissappeard...but I don't think so. I think the evils lying dormant in Ginny and that she'll become evil now that Voldie's back. Remember how we didn't even see Ginny after he came back in book 4?

I think that's the big thing in book 4.

Sammy,
It's a really good point, and "evil Ginny" has made for some rousing discussions. But the big thing at the end of bk 4 is the end of an era in Harry's life. Bk 5 begins a new era according to jkr.

I don't think we'll have evil Ginny. There's only one girl in the Weasley family (not including Mrs Weasley!) and it makes for bad literary balance to have her evil. If any of the Weasleys go bad it'll be a boy, and I'd think it'd be Percy.

I don't think that Ginny herself will become evil. I think that in the future, he may use Ginny as a vessel to help carry out his plans, and because a part of him is in her, he'll be able to control her easily. Or he could use her as a way of spying on DD's plans.

I think that the fact that Ginny has some of Volde's soul will be important too. But not b/c it was evil. Back when he wrote the diary it was after COS but before the murder of his Father and grandparents b/c he would have mentioned it to Harry then instead of in GOF. So he was not truly EVIL then. He was on his way a few months later he commited his first murder so maybe the fact that she has some of his not so evil soul will help in some way. And I think Tom told her something that she will remember at a crucial moment.

Tom had already murdered. He killed Myrtle! With the help of the Basilisk, yes, but he opened the chamber to kill all the muggle-borns, so I'd say he's plenty evil enough by then...

Though I still don't think we'll have evil-Ginny. Voldie has use her already, and JK never uses the same plot-twist twice.

Originally posted by jerb (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=366500#post366500))
I don't know if this has been said already. But I am in the middle of rereading COS and it says that Percy was near the Slytherin common room. I always assumed he was visiting Penelope (sp). But we don't know where Ravenclaw's common room is, so who really knows. Maybe this is also a hint.


I doubt it, because just before they run into Percy, they also run into Penelope, although at that time they don't understand her significance. Looks to me like P&P were both on the way to a secret redezvous.

Originally posted by Neddser (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=367004#post367004))
On the percy theme - many references in the books are made to Percy's thirst for position and power. He is highly ambitious and also highly intellegent. Anybody noticing the similarities in personality traits between Voldie and Percy...

What I found most interesting in Book 2 were the comments Ron made comparing Tom Riddle and Percy. Apparently those two are strikingly similar.

Also, I can't remember which book it was in, but I believe Ron suggests that given the choice, Percy might choose power over his family. The foreshadowing is just too heavy.

I think a big decision is coming down the pike for old Percy and he may not make the right choice..........

Yeah. And that is actually in the film in a way, when Sir Nicholas says hello to the two of them...

I've just been re-reading Chamber of Secrets and this thought popped into my head - what if the important thing is Knockturn Alley? It's in the book and the film, it adds nothing to the plot whatsoever and it hasn't been mentioned again since then. So why else would JK have put it in if she wasn't foreshadowing for something?

Alright, that was my brainwave for today. Back to sleep now...

Originally posted by Essbee (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=374316#post374316))
I've just been re-reading Chamber of Secrets and this thought popped into my head - what if the important thing is Knockturn Alley? It's in the book and the film, it adds nothing to the plot whatsoever and it hasn't been mentioned again since then. So why else would JK have put it in if she wasn't foreshadowing for something?

Alright, that was my brainwave for today. Back to sleep now...


I think you're on to something here. Flyingphoenix had some ideas about knockturn alley in "spoilers", too. This could begin to develop into some interesting theories.

This may have already been addressed, if not in these forums, but in the books.

Was it ever cleared up as to why Harry saw Hagrid in Knockturn alley. He said it was for "Flesh eating slug repellent", but i got the impression that he said this rather shiftily. Did he really buy flesh eating slug repellent, or was he covering up for something else?

Sorry if this is really obvious, I haven't read CoS for ages

It's been addressed but not satisfactorily answered.

My thoughts on Hagrid are as follows.

I reckon that he was in Knockturn Alley doing smoething he considered to be dodgy, but really isn't that bad. You know how guilty Hagrid can get over the smallest thing!

So, I think he could have been:

1. Looking for more illegal creatures or food to feed them!
2. Trying to get in touch with the giants.
3. On a mission for Dumbledore.

Though what business Dumbledore might've had in Knockturn Alley I don't even want to think about!!! :D

I think it may have something to do with Moaning Myrtle

and the Knockturn alley theory is a good one!

Well from what JK said there are a few really important bits in CoS, not just one. Moaning Myrtle has been important since then - helping Harry in the second task of the Triwizard.

And I'm more sure about Knockturn Alley the more I think about it.

I'll buy Knockturn Alley as something important to future plots. With Voldey back, Dark Wizards and Witches won't have to hide out as much as they once did. We should watch who we see in Knockturn Alley.
And Percy, being like Tom Riddle. I can see that too. I remember that in the book, Percy was in a second-hand shop looking at a book called "Prefects who Gained Power." Wonder if Tom Riddle is in there?

But Knockturn Alley isn't in Hogwarts. The quote about the room Harry's been in (or has been mentioned in book 4, or both) specifically mentions the room being in Hogwarts. Plus Knockturn Alley isn't a room.

I definitely believe there will be more about Knockturn Alley, but not in reference to the "room"

I think Hagrid was looking for Harry. He seems to be under constant surrveillance.
If this is about the room jkr wants to spend an hour in that harry hasnt discovered the magic of, you want to go to the thread on "the certain room mentioned by jkr"

Yeah, this thread is about a quote where JK said that there were important things that happen in book two that had to be put into the film (kept it) discreetly or otherwise...

I like the idea that Hagrid was looking for Harry. He does seem to be being constantly watched, though not without good reason.

Originally posted by whizbang121 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=377017#post377017))
I think Hagrid was looking for Harry. He seems to be under constant surrveillance.


I didn't really get the impression that Hagrid was looking for Harry, as he seemed very suprised when he saw Harry in Knockturn alley

Um, ok, Lupin, good point...

In that case I throw down my gloves and knock over my king. I have no idea (otehr than the vauge suggestions I posted before) why Hagrid is in Knockturn Alley. Though I do get the feeling we'll find out.

Something that's actually in book three, but I don't know where to mention it...

Harry's sneakoscope. Ron gave it to him, Harry still carries it about. He hasn't used it at all, but we know it works. So, foreshadowing there? Especially when it was mentioned that Moody had one as a dark dectector... maybe he'll discover another polyjuiced person that way?

I'm not sure if someone's mentioned this allready, and I have no idea what it might lead to or be helpful for... O.o but Voldemort's a hypocrite... Soon after thinking of THIS I thought of Draco. ( for some odd reason unknown to me xD ) I have an idea he might do a switch- he's lived life hating all muggleborns, and has never really gotten to know one... I can imagine him stuck in a room with colin creevy for a couple of days... Forget it, now I'm just going off on a tangeant! x_x

It would be interesting if Draco's opinion of Hermione were to radically change, but I can't see him changing his ways. And if you locked Colin and Draco in an empty house together, you'd be lucky if you had a live Colin at the end of your test period.

Originally posted by Essbee (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=378946#post378946))
Um, ok, Lupin, good point...

Harry's sneakoscope. Ron gave it to him, Harry still carries it about. He hasn't used it at all, but we know it works. So, foreshadowing there? Especially when it was mentioned that Moody had one as a dark dectector... maybe he'll discover another polyjuiced person that way?


Harry's sneakoscope. Ron gave it to him, Harry still carries it about. He hasn't used it at all, but we know it works. So, foreshadowing there? Especially when it was mentioned that Moody had one as a dark dectector... maybe he'll discover another polyjuiced person that way?
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Essbee,
You know, you are a genius! I forgot about the sneakoscope. And jkr never wastes words or ideas. What book was it in?
(As you can see, I'm losing it. It's all starting to look like one big book to me.)

JK said in an interview that everything that was important to the book series was in the movies. Was the sneakoscope in the movie? Off the top of my head I would say no, therefore it is not a "key" or the "key" to the series.

But I dont think it was in CoS. Darn!

No, the sneakoscope was book three. I just mentioned it because there is no 'wonderful things in book 3' thread, and I'd lose the thought if I didn't put it somewhere...

The same idea goes for the Malfoy's trapdoor, it wasn't mentioned in the Chamber of Secrets movie, therefore it cannot be important to the future books.

Originally posted by Picko (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=380876#post380876))
JK said in an interview that everything that was important to the book series was in the movies. Was the sneakoscope in the movie? Off the top of my head I would say no, therefore it is not a "key" or the "key" to the series.


The sneakoscope is in #3. You haven't seen that movie yet.

Sorry I must have made a mistake but regardless that brings up the question of why were people talking about things from Book 3 in a topic about Book 2. Either ways it still isn't the "key" to the series that is meant to be in Book 2.

oops. I hate to admit this, but I believe that the "key" to the series is simply the introduction of enslaved house elves. JKR's heroine was a woman named Jessica Mitford who was a civil rights activist. She named her daughter after Mitford. So I think that bigotry and slavery are the big issues being faced down in the wizarding world.

But it also seems that a "minor key" (no pun intended) is the so called "deliberate error" at the end of the book about Voldemorte being the last ANCESTOR of Salazar Slytherin. I think that's our first clue about time travel.

[i]Originally posted by whizbang121
But it also seems that a "minor key" (no pun intended) is the so called "deliberate error" at the end of the book about Voldemorte being the last ANCESTOR of Salazar Slytherin. I think that's our first clue about time travel.


how is that a clue about time travel? :stuckin:

PotterFreak, Ancestors are the relatives who come before you, descendants come after you. For Voldemort to be Slytherin's ancestor he would be before Slytherin's time.

I never even caught that...while reading..been going through them so fast...thanks Sindatur!!


Sorry for my stupidity folks..... :)

I think most people never caught it and had the same reaction as you, it's only through reading posts like this that most of us probably noticed it

That was a "deliberate error" according to the official word but it has more to do with the different British definitions of the word. I've seen similar errors on literature and explanations of TV shows that come out of Canada. Just a peculiarity we're not used to. Stranger than jumper/sweater, but still not all that uncommon.

sindatur,

I found out about it here. Slipped right by me when I read the book ... all 5 times. (blush)

Jordmundt6,

I don't think it's quite the same as jumper/sweater. They are more local terms. Ancestor and descendant are pretty clearly defined words. Ancestors are forebears and descendants come after you.

Actually, this ancestor/descendant thing has been pretty much discussed to death in a variety of threads, and we can only wait and see where it goes, or doesn't go.

Sat is soooooooo close.

ok so if voldemort is an ancestor of slytherin...did he go forward in time to reopen the chamber as tom riddle? or is it someone else....


this is starting to give me a headache...:banghead:

LOL, Potterfreak, I'm leaving the whole descendant/Ancestor thing alone. I'm already halfway on the bandwagon with the Ron/Dumbledore thing (Note: only halfway on the bandwagon, I believe it's not impossible, but, I am not a card carrying member of the theory, just don't feel we can disprove it ;) ), don't wanna make my head hurt too much.

I'm tempted at this point to jump on the snape is a vampire bandwagon....

I wish I had a time turner to go into the future to Saturday...

Originally posted by sindatur (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=381638#post381638))
LOL, Potterfreak, I'm leaving the whole descendant/Ancestor thing alone. I'm already halfway on the bandwagon with the Ron/Dumbledore thing (Note: only halfway on the bandwagon, I believe it's not impossible, but, I am not a card carrying member of the theory, just don't feel we can disprove it ;) ), don't wanna make my head hurt too much.


I know what you mean. I have one foot in that wagon, too. I think my problem is that DD only has one brother. Of course, he could still be Ron if all of Ron's brothers but one was killed and the survivor was either Fred or George. I have always kind of nursed the idea that DD and Aberforth were from a completely muggle family, like the Creavys.
I don't know why. Nothing to back it up. Tea leaves or something.

I think the idea is that Tom Riddle went back in time over a thousand years, then came back as his own descendant and ancestor. I think .....
But "the last surviving ancestor ..." implies there were at some time, other surviving ancestors? :??:
yeah ,I'll wait it out, too. It's magic. Not logic.

my theory is that something about harry's look at the past through the journal. i think that there is a key character point that was not disclosed in hte book, but that it had to be shown in the movie, so that's why they didn't make that scene full color. maybe they're hiding a character's (dumbledores?) physical appearance from a long time ago because it is key to the next parts of the series.

The ancestor thing isn't in the film. Which is a shame, because I was an advocate of the theory that it would be important...

I apologize fully for mentioning the sneakoscope, though it was from book 3. Please, please don't ban me, and please don't un-consider me for Hogsmeade because of it... I have so many good posts behind me somewhere, honest!

I don't think Ron is Dumbledore either, but I'm trying to stay on-topic here and that's not, so that's all I'm saying about it.

And time turners only go back, not forward. So I'm gonna hi-jack a temporal corridor from Star Trek or something instead I think, or put my Wormhole through a Solar Flare or something...

Well,the key thing that happened in CoS is probably that we found out that Voldemort is Tom Marvolo riddle and also we find out about the school's past(the founders blah blah blah)Lastly,we learn that Voldemort is the heir of slytherin and after all the things they said bout harry being able to pull the sword out of the sorting hat and that only a true gryffindor could do that,We learn that harry is most probably the heir of gryffindor.Anyway,his parents lived in a place called Godric's Hollow.

Originally posted by R3mus Lup!n (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=383802#post383802))
Well,the key thing that happened in CoS is probably that we found out that Voldemort is Tom Marvolo riddle and also we find out about the school's past(the founders blah blah blah)Lastly,we learn that Voldemort is the heir of slytherin and after all the things they said bout harry being able to pull the sword out of the sorting hat and that only a true gryffindor could do that,We learn that harry is most probably the heir of gryffindor.Anyway,his parents lived in a place called Godric's Hollow.


I dont think that we know for sure that Voldemort is the heir of slytherin. IN the movie...Harry says "You're the Heir of Slytherin" but Voldemort nether confirms of denys it. HE just looks back at Harry. I'm just throwing that out there. I cant remember what happened in the book exactly.... but I know that in the movie we assumed that Voldemort was the Heir...

i thought only a heir of slytherin could open the chamber?Dun tell me voldmort is so powerful that he can open the chamber .How else could he have done it?

hmmm....we also know that a part of voldemort was transferred to harry.So maybe harry can open the CoS but he isn't a heir of slytherin a exactly.

Originally posted by R3mus Lup!n (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=383817#post383817))
i thought only a heir of slytherin could open the chamber?Dun tell me voldmort is so powerful that he can open the chamber .How else could he have done it?

hmmm....we also know that a part of voldemort was transferred to harry.So maybe harry can open the CoS but he isn't a heir of slytherin a exactly.


I dont think that its just the heri that can open the chamber..but anyone that can speak parsletounge. Ginny opened it herself...though there are theories as to how she could do that.
Harry got his parsletounge powers from Voldemort...at least according to Dumbledore.

There's something there about who can open the chamber, and how Ginny and Harry were able to do it. I'm still trying to figure out that one. :banghead:

Voldemort used ginny as a vessel to open the chamber.He couldn't have done it in his weakened state could he?

As for harry,i'm also not very sure but its probably becoz as u said parseltougues can open the chamber and voldie is a parseltougue.He passed some of his powers over to harry so u get the picture?

Originally posted by R3mus Lup!n (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=383944#post383944))
Voldemort used ginny as a vessel to open the chamber.He couldn't have done it in his weakened state could he?


This is what I don't get about this theory. Voldemort's memories are locked in this diary right? If the Diary is sucking life from Ginny to give itself new life...how can it do persuade Ginny to do these things like killing the chickens, or writing the messages on the wall? That would have to be some pretty forceful magic...and its all supposed to be trapped in this Diary?


If thats the case..how was the 16/17 year old Tom Riddle able to do it?

Well it is "Lord Voldemort's "Diary.Dun forget how powerful he is.

Tom riddle might be very gifted .He was probably more powerful than most wizards already.I suppose he used the imperius curse to make ginny do all those things.

As Dumbledore said, he was one of the most brilliant students Hogwarts has ever seen.

What I think about the CoS, is that anyone who could speak parseltongue could open it. However, only the true heir of Slytherin could control the basilisk. So anyone speaking parseltongue but not being the heir wouldn't last too long once they were in there...

On the other hand, I expect that other than Harry, all parseltongues would be descendants of Slytherin...

What interests me is that Tom was sure he'd have to get someone else to let the Basilisk out, by leaving himself in the diary. So he must have been planning on not having kids. Egotistical people like Tom/Voldie usually believe that what they plan will come to pass, so he obviously wanted to be last of Slytherin's line. I wonder why that is?

LoL,i guess so.
Whats the point of opening the CoS and get killed by the basilisk.

Well you might not know that the Basilisk would kill you...

Maybe you were in Myrtle's bathroom and muttering to yourself in Parseltongue (so that no-one else would hear you pracitsing) and you accidentally opened the chamber and went down to investigate?

OK, maybe waiting for OotP has sent me crazy... :D

You know after reading Book 5, I guess that book 2 is the key to the series because we start to see the relationship that Harry and Voldemort will soon have by evidenceo of the Parseltongue.

Other than that I don't know how it could be the key to the series, except for minor details here and there.

I think it might have to do with Voldemort possesing people, and since we know Ginny will be more important in the future, she might have learned something while possesed.

Originally posted by ERut (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=416843#post416843))
I think it might have to do with Voldemort possesing people, and since we know Ginny will be more important in the future, she might have learned something while possesed.


Hmm that's interesting. I just thought of her importance dealing more with her friendship or possibly romantic relationship but that hadn't really crossed my mind. If that is the case book 2 would be highly favored among those who dislike it.

Personally I like it 2nd only to Goblet of Fire.

Whoa. I just read through half this whole thing. Very carefully. Whoa. :| O.o I have waaaay too much time on my hands. But anyhow..... after all that I can only think of this

- House Elves will play a VERY big role. Notice how they are mentioned frequently but disguised as filler? Unlike other filler, it seems to of a greater importance and more noticable if you know what I mean. They keep referring back to S.P.E.W. a whole lot and Dobby in the 5th book.

- Hagrid. Wait, hold up. About the slug eating repellant thing, wasn't that just an excuse because he had that baby dragon, or am I mixing up my stories? (I haven't read 1-4 in 4 years, guys give me a break!)

- Crookshanks. Ok. Joking. I just think she's adorable. Hehe.

- Ginny. I somehow think something stirred in her, you can tell by the way she is acting in 5th book as if she could care less about Potter.

- NEVILLE

Ummmm .... Are we supposed to be mentioning bk 5 in the great hall? Hopefully a mod will move the thread to the book 5 forum. I hope. Pretty please?

I've moved this into the Book Five area on whizbang's behalf. Happy theorising. :)

I think that it is Knockturn Alley :D

I think the 'big thing' in book 2 definately invloves the sorting hat wanting to put Harry in Slytherin. I thought it was quite significant that they didnt cut the bit where harry speaks to the hat again in Dumbledores office. It could easily have been cut, they left out so much other important stuff. The sorting hat's song in book 5 states that Slytherin only took pure blood's into his house. The sorting hat wanted to put harry in Slytherin, he only didn't because Harry did not want to be in that house. Maybe this means that harry is actually a pure blood, that the 'Evans' family were not muggles after all ( also explaining Petunia's knowledge of the wizarding world)

That is one of the most sensible explanations I have heard in a long time. Andromeda, I am thoroughly impressed. Come to think of it. It is also interesting that the Heir of Slytherin is not a pure blood wizard but a half blood.

I believe one of the key points like many of you have said is Harry pulling Godric's sword out of the Sorting Hat, thinking that only blood of Godric could pull something of his out of the hat, maybe Harry really is the Heir of Gryffindor and is destined to fight the Heir of Slytherin(Voldemort), and maybe having Godric's blood in him helped him in not being killed when Voldemort killed his parents?Not sure, just guessing on my brainstorms here

Didn't J.K. Rowling also say that in book 2 you can find a hint to who will die in book 5? I'm sure I've read that somewhere...

But how can there be a hint in book 2 that Sirius will die? Sirius isn't even mentioned in book 2...

You all have good points about the second book being important to the series, but there is something else is bothering me that could be important and strictly involves the chamber of secrets. All right, if you didn't get why I put the "s" in bold it's because it isn't the "chamber of a secret" its "chamber of secrets", plural. So, one secret is there was a basilisk hiding there. Ok....what's the other one? Surely that has to have some sort of significance later on!

Well I gues 'Chamber of Secrets' sounds better than 'Chamber of Secret'. That just doesn't sound right.

And it's just a Chamber of Secrets because it's a mysterious chamber, no one knew if it existed and how to get there, no one knew what was in it. So they called it the Chamber of Secrets because it has so many secrets to them.

We learned in CoS that Voldemort was Tom Riddle. We also learned Voldemort is not a pure blood. Thus Slytherin house could have some half-bloods in it.

Later we learned in OoTP that Voldemort chose the boy that would fullfill the prophesy. He could have chosen a pure blood but didn't. He chose someone that was not pure blood.

With all the talk about pure bloods this and pure bloods that it seem the whole magical world right now revolves around 2 that are not pure blood. Interesting..

Originally posted by Ezra Pippen (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=63364#post63364))
Well, now-I think that Minerva McGonagal was more involved in this than we think-she got very shooken up over the chamber being opened. As did everyone. But she seemed to have this feeling that she was rememberiung the past about her.


Couldn't McGonagal be as old as Riddle? That could be why she is so upset in the CoS and why she is so afraid of him.

I think that the phoenix song might be important since Harry hears the phoenix coming and in the first book Dumbledore says something like "Ahh, Music a magic beyond what we know" or something of the sort. Also in the fourth book the phoenix song fills boosts his spirits and he escapes from Voldemort.

I think the key thing that happened in Book 2 was Harry realising he was a Parseltoungue. But more than that, I think Book 2 shows us that Harry has a unique ability to read people's (and animal's) thoughts. Remember that Harry "heard" the basilisk speaking while the monster was in the pipes... even if the snake was talking to itself, it would not have been audible through the walls. And if it was, Ron and Hermione would have heard the hissing, at the very least, while Harry was hearing the translated words. This, I think, was a HUGE hint. Elsewhere throughout the books, Harry has shown an almost uncanny ability to read people's emotions, and this is not even including Voldemort's, because that connection is explained through the scar. Anyway, I think Harry's ability to read into a person or animal's thoughts is the major clue that JKR said was integral to the plot.

There already is a thread about the importance of book 2. Anyway, I believe, we will see the Hand Of Glory again. If you watch the cut scenes on the dvd, you will realize that they even shot a version in which they show us the price tag, which reads "Hand Of Glory". So I imagine that in books 6 or 7 they (i.e. Hermione) will read in some book in the library, that the so-called Hand Of Glory has special magical powers they might need in their fight against Voldy. Harry might say something like: "HAND OF GLORY??? Wait, somewhere I heard that name before... Yeah right, I saw the Hand Of Glory! When I accidently travelled into that strange store in Knockturn Alley!"

Might the Hand come in handy when they fight Wormtail, who now has an artificial hand made of silver?

I wonder, with referance to the Gryffindor sword, whether people get reborn in JKR's world? maybe Harry is Godric Gryffindor reborn :)

I like being far fetched..but hey it could happen!

Thinking about it..Maybe Malfoy is Slytherin - after all, he started of wanting to be Harry's friend, then became his worst enemy

Well, show me your views :)

Originally posted by Ashkins (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=424277#post424277))
We learned in CoS that Voldemort was Tom Riddle. We also learned Voldemort is not a pure blood. Thus Slytherin house could have some half-bloods in it.

Later we learned in OoTP that Voldemort chose the boy that would fullfill the prophesy. He could have chosen a pure blood but didn't. He chose someone that was not pure blood.

With all the talk about pure bloods this and pure bloods that it seem the whole magical world right now revolves around 2 that are not pure blood. Interesting.

Very good point, Ashkins. And for all Dumbledore's reassurances that Harry was not like Riddle, the similarities and connections between them came back full force in OoP.

Ok why are you guys making such a big deal? That might not even be true...like you see mugglenet... they said arogog and the weasley's car would be in the fifth one... but it wasn't so maybe you should bring your hopes up.

I definately think that we have not seen the last of Gilderoy Lockhart. He was mentioned in this book and brought up again in OoTP. When JKR mentions something twice, you know its important.

I agree that Knockturn Alley will also play a key role.

I could have missed this, but what happened to the diary? Did it get destroyed or is it still out there? That could play a large role in the next two books.

I also think that the discovery of house elfs' magical powers and S.P.E.W. will play a HUGE role in the next two books. Maybe the elves will join forces with the OoTP? JKR didnt include this for nothing.

The biggest thing I read in the book was that Harry was able to open the Chamber.. I mean didn't someone say only the heir of Slytherin could open the chamber? Which brings me to this how could Harry open it?He wasn't being controlled by Tom Riddle like Ginny.I don't think Harry is the heir but I think Lord Voldemort left alot more in Harry then everyone thinks he did .SO I think this part is when we start to notice just how much power Lord Voldemort actually did give Harry..


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Originally posted by gryffindordude (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=428519#post428519))
I could have missed this, but what happened to the diary? Did it get destroyed or is it still out there? That could play a large role in the next two books.


Harry destroyed the diary with the basilisk fang. That's how he got rid of Riddle.

Harry's anger starts to turn up in book two... Because of all the bad stuff happening.... He starts to resent being famous... His anger starts to shine through a little bit. It gives us a glimpse of what he'll be like in book five.! :D

Actually, the power of the diary was destroyed by the fang, but the actual book is in the hands of Lucius Malfoy - remeber, Harry gave it to him in the sock - it set Dobby free!

(This is a re-post of mine from March I am editing and adding in accord with OotP)
These are some things I found as I read HP2 I thought were interesting:

pg. 154(American) it says:
"Scorch marks!" he said "Here--and here--"
What are the scorch marks from? Surely the basilisk didn't make them. Maybe Fawkes was following it?

pg. 183 it says:
"An old cauldron was perched on the toilet, and a crackling from under the rim told Harry they had lit a fire beneath it. Conjuring up portable, water proof fires was a specialty of Hermione's."
That is shown throughout the series.

pg. 198:
"He was walking toward them when somthing of what they were saying struck his ears, and he paused to listen, hidden in the invisibility section"
Invisibility section, eh? Very interesting...

pg. 204:
"They rose upward in circles higher, and higher, until at last, slightly dizzy, Harry saw a gleaming oak door ahead, with a brass knocker in the shape of a griffin"
Yes I was the first to bring this up. Griffin-door may lead us to belief that Dumbledore was in Gryffindor. And it was only mentioned in CoS and none since, it was just written again in OotP. So is it important?

pg. 207:
"They can carry immensely heavy loads, their tears have healing powers, and they make highly faithful pets."
Faithful indeed as shown in OotP.

And also we learn ALOT about Fawkes's apparation powers in book 5 wee haven’t seen since he apparated into the Chamber. And fawkes was flying around Dumbledore's office invisibly when he was caught about the D.A. He even burned Umbridge!

Originally posted by bubblesofdeath88 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=428777#post428777))
pg. 154(American) it says:
"Scorch marks!" he said "Here--and here--"
What are the scorch marks from? Surely the basilisk didn't make them. Maybe Fawkes was following it?


Is that outside the toilet?
Cause then I think the scorch marks on the floor is were the eyes of the basilisk were reflected in the water...

I wonder if Marvalo. Tom's Grandpa will ever be important. I mean where the heck did he go that his daughter the heir of Slytherin feel in love wich a muggle and then named her child after the muggle and him.

Originally posted by Lupins Ladee (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=429089#post429089))
I wonder if Marvalo. Tom's Grandpa will ever be important. I mean where the heck did he go that his daughter the heir of Slytherin feel in love wich a muggle and then named her child after the muggle and him.

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And she died alone and was forced to leave her infant half blood son in a muggle orphanage. Poor woman. I always feel badly for her. What was her name and her story?

I can imagine her family, perhaps her father, disowning her and throwing her out on a cold rainy night because she was in love with a muggle. She would have been the last heir of Slytherin, too. And all hope of a pureblood male heir died when she married Tom Riddle.

It seems as though the introduction of this "racism" in the magical world is the "key to the series" JKR mentions.


Someone on another thread suggested a prequel. Any fanfics on the subject of Tom Riddle's mother? Could be very medieval and heartwrenching. And Tom Jr. is himself a very tragic character.

Originally posted by bubblesofdeath88 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=428777#post428777))
pg. 204:
"They rose upward in circles higher, and higher, until at last, slightly dizzy, Harry saw a gleaming oak door ahead, with a brass knocker in the shape of a griffin"
Yes I was the first to bring this up. Griffin-door may lead us to belief that Dumbledore was in Gryffindor. And it was only mentioned in CoS and none since, it was just written again in OotP.


Hermione says on the train to Hogwarts in PS/SS that Dumbledore was in Gryffindor.

Originally posted by Andromeda_Black (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=424172#post424172))
I think the 'big thing' in book 2 definately invloves the sorting hat wanting to put Harry in Slytherin. I thought it was quite significant that they didnt cut the bit where harry speaks to the hat again in Dumbledores office. It could easily have been cut, they left out so much other important stuff. The sorting hat's song in book 5 states that Slytherin only took pure blood's into his house. The sorting hat wanted to put harry in Slytherin, he only didn't because Harry did not want to be in that house. Maybe this means that harry is actually a pure blood, that the 'Evans' family were not muggles after all ( also explaining Petunia's knowledge of the wizarding world)


I think you're on to something. The Evanses may have been muggles, but I don't think Lily was. She looks nothing like Petunia, either. Petunia was described and blonde, blue eyed and horse faced. Lily had green eyes and auburn hair and she was pretty. (What is it with the red hair among magical folk?)

Dumbledore does refer to Harry as a half blood, but I think it's important to make sure no one knows he's not and that Lily wasn't the biological child of muggles.

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Then there's this:

"Originally posted by bubblesofdeath88 (original post)
pg. 204:
"They rose upward in circles higher, and higher, until at last, slightly dizzy, Harry saw a gleaming oak door ahead, with a brass knocker in the shape of a griffin"
Yes I was the first to bring this up. Griffin-door may lead us to belief that Dumbledore was in Gryffindor."

Could the "Griffin door" be more than the door to the headmaster's office? Was this originally Godric's office? Is there another secret chamber somewhere? Or does each headmaster change the knocker to signify the house he was in at Hogwarts?

Originally posted by whizbang121 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=430837#post430837))
I think you're on to something. The Evanses may have been muggles, but I don't think Lily was. She looks nothing like Petunia, either. Petunia was described and blonde, blue eyed and horse faced. Lily had green eyes and auburn hair and she was pretty. (What is it with the red hair among magical folk?)

Dumbledore does refer to Harry as a half blood, but I think it's important to make sure no one knows he's not and that Lily wasn't the biological child of muggles.


But if Lily wasn't related to Petunia, it would negate the protection of the spell involving Lily's (and Petunia's) blood. I think Lily and Petunia must be full biological sisters.

As far as considering putting Harry into Slytherin, the sorting hat puts students where the hat thinks they belong, Salazar wanted to take only purebloods but he left the school over the dispute. We know SLythering actually takes students not of pureblood because that is where Tom Riddle went.

WATCH ROWLING's INTERVIEW on the CoS BONUS DVD!!!

In the interview on the CoS bonus dvd, Rowling said that she had to make sure, a key scene from book 2 was incorporated into the movie, which was not an easy thing to do, because, the importance of said scene would only be apparent in future books. So it must have been a scene, that could have been left out of the movie. Therefore pulling Gryffindors sword out of the Sorting Hat is unlikely to be that key scene, BECAUSE there was no way of skipping this scene in the 2nd movie. Without the sword Harry could not have defeated the basilisk!
BUT the scene in Knockturn Alley, where Harry's wrist is grabbed by the Hand Of Glory might be a key scene! The had to leave so many stuff out - WHY DID THEY INCLUDE THE HAND OF GLORY??? They could have skipped the whole Knockturn Alley/Hand Of Glory stuff and the movie would still have made sense plotwise. So I believe, that the Hand Of Glory will appear in future books (and films), and that this little scene might have been the key moment, that Rowling wanted to be in the movie.

Originally posted by Siriusly (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=430848#post430848))
But if Lily wasn't related to Petunia, it would negate the protection of the spell involving Lily's (and Petunia's) blood. I think Lily and Petunia must be full biological sisters.

As far as considering putting Harry into Slytherin, the sorting hat puts students where the hat thinks they belong, Salazar wanted to take only purebloods but he left the school over the dispute. We know SLythering actually takes students not of pureblood because that is where Tom Riddle went.


Excellent points. How about Lily and Petunia have the same mother, but not the same father? And Lily's biological father was a wizard? Harry still wouldn't be a pureblood. Too much to consider.

HAGRID WAS IN KNOCKTURN ALLEY IN THE SECOND MOVIE... WHAT WAS HE DOING THERE?I HAVE NO IDEA BUT HE DEFINATELY DID LIE TO HARRY "FLESH EATING SLUG REPELANT" MY YOU KNOW WHAT....
JUST THOUGHT THIS WAS VERY INTERESTING..

ANY THOUGHTS





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I think maybe following Harry began earlier than we were aware of.

Important in Book 2? Fuchsia had the right idea.

Not trusting things where you can't see where it keeps its brain

Also possibly Godric's Sword, but it's looking less likely now.

One of the reasons I think Hagrid may have been following Harry is because he turns up in the book store. Call me a snob, and I LOVE me
some Hagrid, but I just don't see him as a bibliophile.

Okay this is the actual quote from the CoS DVD:

And there are so many rich details in the books. Could you tell us how you decide what goes in and what stays out?

Steve:
Well, I will suggest to Jo... "You do seem to shine a bit more light on this one than the other details..." and sometimes I'm wrong but often she'll nod and say "Yes, that is going to play out." and there's one thing in Chamber that Jo indicated will play later in the series. The hardest thing for me is that I'm writing a story to which I do NOT know the end. I'm not going to lie to you, I spend some times in my own originals but I assume I will find an end! With this it's just I'm writing a story over a decade, and I keep waiting, you know, keep hoping that Jo will really slip-up and actually tell me something.



So once again, just enough information to drive us crazy without giving anything away.

Originally posted by whizbang121 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=430837#post430837))
Could the "Griffin door" be more than the door to the headmaster's office? Was this originally Godric's office? Is there another secret chamber somewhere? Or does each headmaster change the knocker to signify the house he was in at Hogwarts?


Wouldn't DD's knocker be a lion, not a gryffin?

It says in the book that its a gryffin, and I think JKR said that Dumbledore was a Gryffindor.

Originally posted by CentaurFirenze (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=424320#post424320))
I think that the phoenix song might be important since Harry hears the phoenix coming and in the first book Dumbledore says something like "Ahh, Music a magic beyond what we know" or something of the sort. Also in the fourth book the phoenix song fills boosts his spirits and he escapes from Voldemort.


Excellent connection! Dumbledore does love music, chamber music and polkas, isn't it? But, the phoenix song is magic. The phoenix is so pivotal to all this. We learn more about Fawkes in bk2, as well. There is so much introduced in Bk2. The house elves, racism, phoenix magic, Riddle=Voldemort, possession, Lucius Malfoy, Azkaban, the chamber of secrets, Neville says, "Why is it always me?", and Dumbledore tells Harry only a true Gryffindor could have used Godric Gryffindor's sword.

I think the single most pivotal concept introduced is racism. There is the pureblood/mudblood racism, and there is the situation with house elves, and the apparent inability to maintain peaceful relations with other magical beings. I'm not saying it's easy to get along with Goblins, Giants and Centaurs, (although it seems as though relations with Veelas are reasonably good:o ) But the attitude often seems to be one of domination and control, rather that peaceful co-existance.

There are many of the same shortcomings that are easily seen on the front pages of our internet news sources, every day. There's a bit of Jonathan Swift in JKR.

Hmm..no I didn't see that interview. Knowing JRK, this is probably something she's talked about ever since book 2 and we just take for granted. Perhaps it really does have to do with Harry being the Heir of Gryffindor? Or maybe a deeper plot with Salazar Slytherin and why he left and such? Can't wait to find out now, though!

I also think that when Dumbledore signals Hagrid to come to the edge of the forest in GoF Harry remarks the silver sparks take shape resembling a bird. I think the OotP uses the Phoenix shape (or symbol) to call it's members like the serpent/skull symbol calls the death eaters.

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Wow! that's interesting! I actually thought book2 was one of the worst and least important in the series, well, guess I was wrong. But the only important thing I can see is that we find out more about Voldemort and his past. Also the fact that he picked Ginny to do all of his dirty work, maybe that means that she has some significance.

Could the "Griffin door" be more than the door to the headmaster's office? Was this originally Godric's office? Is there another secret chamber somewhere? Or does each headmaster change the knocker to signify the house he was in at Hogwarts?

Yes, I've noticed it before. The Griffin door and Gryffindor. Hmmm...

Griffins are mythical creatures with the upper torso of an eagle and a lower torso of a lion. Well, lions and eagles are both symbols for Gryffindor and Ravenclaw houses, respectively. Could it be possible that Godric Gryffindor and Rowena Ravenclaw have something in common?

Hmmm So much to think about.! I *Love* book two.! Not my fav, but I loe it none-the-less.! And obviously as others have pointed out holds ALOT of key stuff... Maybe it is the "Key to the series". Maybe reading this book again will tell else alot more then we though we knew? I dunno.!

I did even realize the whole "Griffin Door" thing. Yes, since its a Griffin maybe he has some connection between Godric and Rowena? Hmmm Something else to think about.! Just what I need.! :p

Not that i put the movie before the books, but JKR said that it is so important to the series that she had it put into the movie as well. She also said that it was a scene that she had to try and get into the movie without being too obvious. Personally, I think that it is Knockturn Alley. Also, It probably has to do with either that store or the Hand of Glory. Theories anyone?

Not that i put the movie before the books, but JKR said that it is so important to the series that she had it put into the movie as well. She also said that it was a scene that she had to try and get into the movie without being too obvious. Personally, I think that it is Knockturn Alley. Also, It probably has to do with either that store or the Hand of Glory. Theories anyone?

You know, on the CoS-DVD there is much longer bonus scene in that shop (with the owner, Lucius and Draco) and all that remained is the Hand of Glory... well, I think I know what I am going to watch tonight...

My english is not good, but I want to say something about the book 2:

I think book 2 is very important because Ginny was posessed by Voldy in it, and perhaps there?s something from Tom Riddle in Ginny that it´s still asleep inside of her. I think she can be used by Voldy again, but no in the same way he did before. ¿Could Ginny be a Death Eater under Voldy´s control? Several people think the Dark-mark is going to show up in Weasley family because of Percy, but I think is going to be because of Ginny. She is going to be a very important character in the future.

I always thought, not that this SEEMS like anything of umportance, that the whole Squib/Kwikspell stuff would be important later. It's not like JK to toss that in and it's only real purpose is to give a reason why Mrs. Norris was attacked.

The squib concept has already reappeared. Book 5 has another squib with special cats. Maybe that is the important part, not the kwikspell.

I also think Kwikspell will come back to play. Who knows, maybe Finch will learn some magic and become the most formidable death eater ever and kill Dumbledore because he won't let him lash students. :)

Flash8784 interesting concept, but i can't help but doubt it. I do however agree there is a squib-cat connection, but i don't think that is the big key thing in 2. We know that we will see Mr. Weasley's car again, but i dont think thats a big thing either. I like the idea that there's something with the kwikspell kit though.

In book two, we saw Voldemort in his teenage form and OOTP, we a time device turn a D.E. head back into a baby. Maybe Harry uses one of those devices to Voldemort back to his teenage self. With Voldemort back in his weaker half blood form, is will be easier to defeat. To Voldemort, that is probable worst than death.

Yes, I've noticed it before. The Griffin door and Gryffindor. Hmmm...

Griffins are mythical creatures with the upper torso of an eagle and a lower torso of a lion. Well, lions and eagles are both symbols for Gryffindor and Ravenclaw houses, respectively. Could it be possible that Godric Gryffindor and Rowena Ravenclaw have something in common?

Interesting point! Didn't JKR say that we would see the "Grey Lady", (Rowena Ravenclaw) again?

I don't know. I still think the key to the series in book two is the whole racism thing. Mudbloods, muggleborns, house elves. And enslavement. Don't forget enslavement.

I think draco mentioned that his father had some very valuable dark stuff hidden in his manor so do u think that some of these thigs will be used by draco (given by his mother of course, becoz Lucius is in Azkaban) in the next book.
And also Hagrid and Ginny I think are determined to take revenge from LV, so both will important roles in the next books. Also hagrid's love for 'dangerous' creatures will help him fight LV. I really hope Hagrid and LV come face to face and Hagrid fights a courageous battle against him.
And of course I dont have much time now, but I will just say link book 4 with book 2 and u'll find something very important.

Well, 'fess up, Snape!