Book Two "Key" to Series?

I don't know how many people have already seen this, but I found this very interesting interview with JK on IGN Filmforce (http://filmforce.ign.com/harrypotter/articles/377/377244p1.html). The main purpose of the interview is JK's opinion on the second movie, but she also reveals that, "Key things happen in book two. No one knows how important those things are... yet. There's a lot in there. And I know how difficult it was to get it all in there without drawing too much attention to the clues."

What do you guys think these clues might be?

PS Sorry if this should go in the book forum. I wasn't sure, so I put it here.

Great thread! :yup:

If JKR said it, then we'll have to believe it. I'd also guess that many of those most important elements will show up in the movie, and not everything in the book will end up in the movie, so that will pare the list down somewhat.

basilisk
Godric Gryffindor's sword coming to Harry
Fawkes' coming to help Harry

Well, that's a start.... :)

Knowing the way JKR's mind works, they are likely going to be things that we will never think about. But I will throw in my two cents:

- Ginny opening the CoS.

There is my monumental effort...

^_^

Asking Snape for a love potion.

Sorry, you wanted a serious answer.

Not trusting things where you can't see where it keeps its brain.

Originally posted by lanifiel
Knowing the way JKR's mind works, they are likely going to be things that we will never think about. But I will throw in my two cents:

- Ginny opening the CoS.

There is my monumental effort...

^_^

Did Ginny open the Chamber, though? I'm of the opinion that Ginny didn't open the Chamber; Riddle opened it using her body as a vessel. Perhaps I'm being pedantic, but I've often pondered this.

Back on track, the banter between Riddle and Harry in the Chamber may be of most relevance. Although it's rather obvious, I suppose.

Similarly, the whole "Muggle-born" fiasco will probably become highly relevant now that Voldemort has a new body.

Time will only tell, I suppose.

Harry & Tom's reaction to Dumbledore's questions. Both denied there was something wrong or had something to offer the debate. It shows a part of Harry is unduly influenced by Voldemort's power.

Harry really questions his powers and where he's from in the book, causing a conflict of feelings about where he belongs. Dumbledore teaching Harry about choices is a key point. Harry has choices to make for good or bad, but it maybe that he'll make a bad choice in later books that affects his conscience.

The emergence of the House Elves. Key players in future books and a possible unlikely ally to Harry in a possible conflict. I can see the Elves having a great impact on a battle with the Dementors.

Aragog and the spiders. Again, Hagrid's bond with the spider may prove useful especially if Hagrid is the character killed off as many think. Aragog's reaction could be quite deadly for his killers.

The Chamber of Secrets can still be used by those wanting access to Hogwarts. Voldemort may well use it as a base in later books.

Godric's sword indicates Harry maybe related by blood to the Wizard.

The Sorting Hat having Godric Gryffindor's sword in it.

As many have said, the Gryffindor blood possibly running in his Harry's veins. Maybe he IS the Heir of Gryffindor, and he has come to defeat the Heir of Slytherin. "Enemies of the Heir --- beware."

I would have to agree with most of you that the sword coming out of the sorting hat would be a key point.

Although most believe that Harry being the heir is too predictable for JK to write, I disagree. I believe that Harry is the heir, but there is probably a lot more to it than just that. I'm sure that if Harry IS in fact the heir, JK will find some way to surprise us all!

There are a lot of things in Book 2 that could be of importance later on...as people mentioned already. I think Morgoth has it write on the money!

I work at a TV station, and we aired an interview with JKR this morning. Anyhow, other than going on about how real the special effects were, she did say a couple of things about book 2. Here is the quote:

JKR: "They all say the second novel is the hardest to write, and it was very hard to write, but I was quite proud of it when it was finished. And I'm also aware, as no one else can be, how important it is in the overall plot of all seven books. I mean, key things happen in book two, and no one knows how important these things are---yet. "

So the big question is, what do you think those "key things" are? My choices are, Knockturn Alley and Lucius Malfoy selling some of his Dark magic items. And also the discovery of the secret panel in the Malfoy's house and Ron's letter to his dad about it.

For further information the interview was done in the middle of last week in NY as a pool feed, and a reporter then shared it with our local reporter and we aired it this morning, in Minneapolis. The same quote may air elsewhere at other times. Each station uses the material as they see fit.

I'm sure Knockturn Alley will turn up again. I think the key things in Book 2 are the insight into Voldemort and the house system. Maybe those are too obvious though.

Yeah, the interview is downloadable at filmforce.ign.com Also, I posted a thread about this in the common room.

But anyways, the first time I heard the quote, I immediately thought of the Gryffindor Sword Harry pulls out of the hat. Gryffindor heir, anyone?

This belongs in the Great Hall. I'll move it.

There is another thread on this same subject. I'll merge them.

Originally posted by lanifiel
Knowing the way JKR's mind works, they are likely going to be things that we will never think about.

- Ginny opening the CoS.

I think that this is highly overlooked. I do remember reading something about JK mentioning that Ginny will play a bigger part in the books. I feel that Ginny being tapped by Voldemort will have great significance later on in the series.

Well, now-I think that Minerva McGonagal was more involved in this than we think-she got very shooken up over the chamber being opened. As did everyone. But she seemed to have this feeling that she was rememberiung the past about her.

I agree with everyone else about Knockturn Alley and the Sorting Hat. I also really think the house elves are going to play a big role eventually, since it was pointed out that they have their own kind of magic.

And I don't want to toot my own theory too much, but I really think there is a symbolic connection to the fact that the only creature (mythologically) that can kill a basilisk is a Weasel. I know I already posted a thread on this, but think it's too big of a clue to be a coincidence. JKR just isn't that sloppy. I just can't figure out what the signifcance would be though.

Tom Riddle was the first person to come to mind when I heard this. His talk with Harry, the possession of people (Ginny) through dark objects (I think we may see more posessions throughout the series), Dark Objects in general, Knockturn Alley.

Maybe something to do with Draco and Lucius' treatment of him. I know we've debated this subject to the ground, but it is always mentioned in movie reviews and it came to mind. I like Sinistra's idea about Lucius Malfoy.

The ties to Gryffindor, Fawkes, and the Sorting Hat. His conversations with Dumbledore. Parseltongue. The parallels with Riddle. Aragog and the Flying Car. I do believe she said that we'd see a return of one of those two.

It's hard to tell. I want to see the movie, so I can cancel out anything that wasn't included and try to pick out anything that may be a "clue". Everything above would seem obvious. . . but she didn't say we hadn't spotted them, just that we don't know their true importance.

Well, people have posted these already, but these are what may be key parts:

Harry with parseltongue (sp?),
harry pulling out godric gryffs sword from hat,
Knockturn alley,
Legend of the chamber of secrets,
balisisk (sp?),
Fawkes and healing powers of pheonixes
House-elves,
Malfoy selling darkarts stuff,
Malfoys secret area in house,

Originally posted by crafty girl
...I really think there is a symbolic connection to the fact that the only creature (mythologically) that can kill a basilisk is a Weasel. I know I already posted a thread on this, but think it's too big of a clue to be a coincidence. JKR just isn't that sloppy. I just can't figure out what the signifcance would be though.
Well, that could mean that any of the Weasleys might be important in defeating the Basilisk, which could eventually save Harry and/or help defeat Voldemort. It might be Ron, Harry's best friend. It might be Ginny, who is destined to be more important. It could be any of the other Weasleys.

If defeat of the Basilisk resulted in one of the Weasleys dying, that would be a significant turn in the book, no matter which one died, since Harry is becoming like a member of the family.

I think it's Ginny since she is going to play a big part in the next book. Maybe she's a real parseltongue?

I always knew something in book 2 had to forshadow something else. The story in book 2 just isn't (to me anyway) as good as the rest. Ever since I first read the book, I knew I was missing something.

And I'm not going to have a guess, because whatever we guess will be wrong and when we do know we'll all slap ourselves and think 'Why didn't I think of that?'

Dangit! I knew this post would make me go back and re-read book two...

Hard to say really....

JKR sounds as though she's really confident we'll never guess it, but it also sounds like she has left a subtle hint or two so that we could figure it out...

Umm... Maybe it has something to do with Lockhart? Maybe it was something he knows, or should I say used to know.

I like the idea of it having something to do with Dobby...

every1 sees the link between the sword and harry, but is it overshadowing Harry's link to fawkes?
how long do Phoenixs last for who else has had fawkes as a pet?
somebody famous from hogwarts's past? godric Griffindor perhaps?

remember too the JKR said that Harry is not related to Voldemorte by blood.
and also the importance griffindor places on skill, not the purity of blood.
the whole, its not what you are its what you become belief system.

i realise that it is cliche Draco turning against his father but it would need to be something serious to change his entire belief system.
or am i running the the entirly wrong direction at a brick wall?

Okay, I was watching for anything clue-like in the movie . . . and I didn't really catch anything. They seemed to focus unnecessarily on Draco twice in the movie. Nothing that was mentioned in the book, though, so I don't know what it could be of any significance. :sigh:

I haven't seen the movie yet, but it seems to me that anything that has been excluded or downsized (eg the Deathday party, the fight in Flourish & Blotts or certain characters' roles) can be deemed irrelevant in our hunt for clues. Ultimately, it's what they've left in (JKR ensured that all the important stuff was in there) that's important, so that leaves us with 2 hours and 40-something minutes of film to analyse.

I'll post my thoughts when I see the film (which won't be for another 12 days.)

I haven't seen the film either but Columbus cut the Borgin & Burkes scene.. so nothing new on the stuff Malfoy hid in his manner? aww.

I just saw the movie and I wondered if Hermione would become an Animagus. Just seeing her as a cat was startling. I understand that Rowling has stated that Harry would not become an Animagus. Has she ever said anything about Ron or Hermione becoming Animagi? I am not suggesting that Hermione will become a cat necessarily. There are quite a lot of cats in the books from Professor McGonagall's Animagus, Mrs. Figg's cats, Filch's cat, Mrs. Norris and of course Hermione's own Crookshanks. Also Lupin states that it took them (the Marauders) three years to learn how to become Animagi and that they finally succeeded in their fifth year. So they will be in their fifth year in the next book. It's also the year Tom Riddle learned to open the Chamber of Secrets and Hagrid was expelled.
So I just thought that Hermione might be working on something without letting Ron or Harry know. She's done it before (Time Turner).
Just a thought.

Where has JK said that Harry will not become an animagus? If possible, linkage por favor.

Originally posted by Ezra Pippen
Well, now-I think that Minerva McGonagal was more involved in this than we think-she got very shooken up over the chamber being opened. As did everyone. But she seemed to have this feeling that she was rememberiung the past about her.

I knew there was a reason I should have read the thread before posting! McGonagall would be the same age as Voldemort (or thereabouts)(read it somewhere) so she would have been a student at Hogwarts when the chamber was opened the first time. But that can't be it, because it's not mentioned in the book.

I can't find the origin of 'Harry will not become an animagus.'
It's listed in the Unofficial HP Fan Club as 'from numerous interviews.'
I read those interviews that I could find, but none mention that assertion.

JK has never stated that Harry won't become animagus, however, she has stated that some people will.

I think to figure this out, we are (unfortunatly) just going to have to watch the movie several times and pretty much memorise it and figure out the bits that where left out and go from there.

I think that Ron will become an Animagus! It will be the one thing that he can do better than Harry! Go Ron!

^_^

Nope, none of the trio will become an Animagus. JKR said herself. Don't know where she said it though!!! Look at the Mugglenet rumor page!!

Ok, back on topic. I was reading a review of CoS and on their there was a picture of the writing on the wall.

"The chamber of Secrets has been opened. Enemies of the heir... Beware!

So, from what I can remember from the books is that the enemies of Tom Riddle should beware because the CoS has been opened. But who are the enemies of the heir of Slytherin??? Muggle-borns????? Don't think so!!! What about the heirs of Gryffindore, Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw???? Are they the enemies. Are they the onces that can stop Voldemort???

I've always thought that "enemies of the Heir" simply refers to anyone who is against Voldemort. Meaning everyone from Dumbledore & Harry down to little Hannah Abbot (well, not completely sure about that one. . . but as an example. . .)

I think that the Hand of Glory will be important. They focus on it a bit-- in the book and the movie.

Originally posted by Kneazle
I think that the Hand of Glory will be important. They focus on it a bit-- in the book and the movie.

Argh! Didn't even see this thread! And my little inkling was snatched by the last post. Darn! :p

Yes, I do think that the Hand of Glory has something to do with the "key" of Book 2. I was watching the filmyesterday and it all seemed very wow. Of course, that was all before my little ... uh ... fright. There's just something mysterious about it.

I was just about to start a thread about this same thing! Great minds, huh?

Will I am listening (audio) to my tapes now and writing down ANY thing I think is relevant, or what I think is relevant. A couple of things comes to mind. Will let you know later!!!

When & where did Rowling say that none of them would be animagi??

Do you really think that hand was the 'Hand of Glory'? It's supposed to hold a candle to provide light only to the beholder. (CoS, Chapter 4) I thought the hand in the movie was just a creepy artifact put in for visual effect. It certainly wouldn't work well as the Hand of Glory if it grabbed anything that came too close.

Here is what I have so far:

Chapter one

There are lots of secret passage way at Hogwarts--not sure what that means.


The Dursley's --"not a drop of magical blood in their vain" ---Is Petunia REALLY Harry's aunt???? Her sister has "RED" hair??? I know that's not proof of any thing but....I wonder???

Harry looks NOTHING like the family! He is skinny, GREEN eyes, black hair? ---Does that mean anything????

He survived Lord Voldemort---Why??? Was it JUST because of his mum giving her life for him??? OR could it be something else????

Voldemort's power was distroyed when he try to kill Harry! ---How the heck did that happened? Was it for the reason we already know OR something else???

He received a letter from Hogwarts a year AFTER he came to live with the Dursley. Was Voldemort trying to kill Harry on his birthday?? They get their letters from Hogwarts on their 11th birthday!

I have all was wondered (after reading book 4) if Harry's birthday is(can't remember) correct! Did Prof. Trelawney make a mistake OR was she really correct?


Chapter two:

Harry ask Dobby if Voldemort had a brother. Did he? Could James be Tom's HALF brother? Tom has GREEN eyes and so does James, Tom as BLACK hair and so to does James!

OFF TOPIC---in book four Lily came out of Voldemort's wand FIRST! Not James!!! Didn't he die before her??? I keep forgetting to say this. Just remember and wanted to put it in before I forgot AGAIN!!

Lily did magic (UNDER AGE WIZARD WAS NOT SUPPOSE TO DO MAGIC) when she got home form Hogwarts. How come his aunt did not tell her husband about this. " Now that they know that Harry will not turn them into fruit bats" Why would they be afraid? And How come Lily was allowed to do magic that the house and not get punished for it??? Harry got a letter when Dobby did the hover charmed at the house. Am I making any sence??? I am trying to listen and type what I hear all at the same time.

These are questions that bugs me when I am listening or reading the book.


Will write more later, still listening and drying my hair at the say time, heheh.

wonder if Mcgonnagal is bad. She could be Voldemorts girlfriend. That would really shake things up, she isn't always in the know with Dumbledore.

Also, I think Draco will turn on his father. I think he falls for Hermione and his father tries to harm her and thats when he comes to the good side.

What about Dumbledore's comment that he would never really be gone, as long as he had loyal supporters? Sounds to me like maybe foreshadowing his death. (Perhaps to rise again, phoenix-like...?)

Also, the Forbidden Forest had a big role in Book 2, with the centaurs, unicorns, giant spiders and flying cars all making their home there (and werewolves rumored to live there, as well.)

One thing I noticed was that Dumbledore's hair 50 years ago was the same color as Lily's hair was said to be. Could they be related?

MYRTLE IS THE KEY.

Who killed her? (indirectly, I mean)
Why is she as a ghost, and not completely dead?
Who wants revenge to?

Easy.

I noticed today when I saw the movie, in the Flourish and Blotts scene, Draco does a little nod to his father, indicating Hermione. I thought this was a little curious. I wonder if it means anything. Maybe Ron has some competition for Hermione. :D

Its got to be something about a thing that happened in the past. I don't know what it is, but a lot of hinting goes on about people remembering things about when the chamber was first opened. I think something happened, but we don't know what it was.

I haven't seen the movie yet so I don't know what was kept or thrown... but, i did think of this today (and if it's been mentioned, I apologise. Once I get an idea in my mind I ignore what's already been posted).

I think one clue we are looking for is in one of Dumbledore's speeches. Or something to do with Dumbledore and Fawkes.

Who knows... JK might have just said this to get us going...

"Well," said Fred, "put it this way --house-elves have got powerful magic of their own, but they can't usually use it without their master's permission."

Towards the end of the book.........

Dobby shouted, "You shall not harm Harry Potter!"

There was a loud bang, and Mr. Malfoy was thrown backward. He crashed down the stairs three at a time, landing in a crumpled heap on the landing below. He got up, his face livid, and pulled out his wand, but Dobby raised a long threatening finger.

"You shall go now," he said fiercely, pointing down at Mr. Malfoy. "You shall not touch Harry Potter. You shall go now."

J.K. says she hid many important bits of information in CoS. Things
that will be important later. She said she worked hard at making sure they didn't jump out at you.

I think house-elve magic, Hagrid's appearance in Knockturn Alley, and
Malfoy's possession of things that belonged to Voldemort will be amoung them.

Where do think the secrets are?

Good thread. :)

But we're already discussing this here. (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2430)

;)

Here is some thing else that just keep coming up! PERCY!!

Will Percy turn bad? There were a lot of comments about it or referrence towards it.

And also of Snape reading minds, Dumbledore seeing through the invisibility cloak!

Originally posted by FRED ASTAIRE
Harry ask Dobby if Voldemort had a brother. Did he? Could James be Tom's HALF brother? Tom has GREEN eyes and so does James, Tom as BLACK hair and so to does James!


Doesn't Harry say something about feeling that Riddle was a lot like him?

I think there is more to book 2 than meets the eye. The following passage really struck me...

When I was re-reading COS, I read a line that really struck me as odd...

Harry couldn't explain, even to himself, why he didn't just throw Riddle's diary away. The fact was that even though he knew the diary was blank, he kept absentmindedly picking it up and turning the pages, as though it were a story he wanted to finish. And while Harry was sure he had never heard the name T.M. Riddle before, it still seemed to mean something to him, almost as though Riddle was a friend he had when he was very small, and had half forgotten. But this was absurd. He'd never had friends before Hogwarts, Dursley had made sure of that.
~From The Very Secret Diary chapter

Does that paragraph seem odd to anyone else? It really left me puzzled as to just what JKR was (or at least seemed to be) hinting at... :??:

Originally posted by dumbleedore

Who knows... JK might have just said this to get us going...

That's exactly what I was thinking. Sounds like something she might do just get us all going.

I've seen the movie twice and I honestly don't know what JKR could be talking about. There were alot of little things not in the movie or they were changed. So if they were changed, does that mean that they're not important? :banghead: This is driving me insane!

I really like the idea of Ginny's involvement with the Chamber of Secrets being expanded upon in later books. I'm re-reading them right now to get ready for when I go to see the movie, and I was just thinking of how JK Rowling sort of glosses over the effect that finding this diary and having an evil wizard act through her body has on Ginny. I think it'd be really interesting to see this played up a bit more in future novels.

As for how Lily was able to do magic on holidays... I think it's from the first book, but maybe there's been some change of rules since she was at Hogwarts, possibly having something to do with Voldemort's reign of terror?

I also wouldn't put it beyond Lily's sister to make a few things up...

As for JK trying to get us going, I doubt it. There were some little things in the movie, but the way they were presented didn't really make them seem important. This was an interview, not a chat, and I really don't think she's into lying to drive us crazy.

i think it has something to do with the Phoenix, becuase it played kind of like a big role at the end of the book, and JK even took a moment to talk about them when Harry was in Dumbodore's office.

Originally posted by xicanti
I really like the idea of Ginny's involvement with the Chamber of Secrets being expanded upon in later books. I'm re-reading them right now to get ready for when I go to see the movie, and I was just thinking of how JK Rowling sort of glosses over the effect that finding this diary and having an evil wizard act through her body has on Ginny. I think it'd be really interesting to see this played up a bit more in future novels.

As for how Lily was able to do magic on holidays... I think it's from the first book, but maybe there's been some change of rules since she was at Hogwarts, possibly having something to do with Voldemort's reign of terror?

That is from the first book. :)

I don't think it's important, but another thing that struck me as odd was how Filch's "We are in trouble," line from PS was used in the movie for COS. Weird. :p

I saw the movie last night. Many of what I believe are wonderfully funny scenes in the book (like Snape when Harry and Ron arrive first at school) were deteled. Of what was left I particularly found that next scenes were a bit forced into the movie.

- The sorting hat telling harry that he could have done well in Slytherin
- Dumbledore seeing through the invisibility cloack when in Hagrid's cabin

So I guess they could be important for future books.

but ey things happen in all the books!
i guess one could argue we find out why more about harry's heritage and which side he is on...

Hmmm, the 2nd book is a key part, but so are all the books. As for JK putting important stuff in the movie/book? Well, I think that she meant some things about magic in general. Like what kinds of magic there is, who can use magic and who can't....

i think for an impartial view of the wizarding world we should avoid using ANYTHING from the films as a thread or thought spark, because columbus did such a pants job

A pants job? What the heck is that? And using the movies in threads, well I think we could, but since some things were changed, it might not be the best idea.

I was wondering the same thing myself (regarding "pants job). I personally hold the books higher than the movies, but I wouldn't begrudge a person for citing movie info.

calm down, all im saying is if we want to spawn off theories, we shouldnt use the film as a refernce point

I also think Dd intimates that Harry may be related to Godric
Gryffindor.

Dd says that Voldemort is the LAST remaining descendent of
Salazar Slytherin.

The whole thing about Harry gaining abilities from Voldemort's curse and the scar may be important. Parseltongue may show up again. And the idea that Ginny is now similarly "afflicted" is intriguing. So she and Harry have a tie that no others have. Another foreshadowing of a coming relationship? (just to tweak all the shippers--now that I finally figured out the derivation of the work. D'oh!)

But the main theme of pureblood vs. magical ability will probably have a big bearing on the whole rest of the series. Maybe in the end, the wizarding world will be revealed to the muggles and they will peacefully co-exist! That's far-fetched, but so much wizarding energy is expended in keeping themselves secret, what could they accomplish if they just were allowed to exist? After all, it's at best an open secret because so many muggle-born and half bloods have muggle relatives who do know about the wizarding world. Eventually somebody will finally just blow it all open, and then what will the world do?

I also wonder if Mr. Weasley has ever had a chance to look in
the secret chamber under the Malfoy's drawing-room.

i think book two is key in the way that it shows harry's possible slytherin/dark side, and how he chooses to be a good guy

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Dd says that Voldemort is the LAST remaining descendent of
Salazar Slytherin.

JoFaye

I don’t remember reading this so if you'll please point me to a page I would appreciate it. Two my feeling is that the Weasley’s are descendants of Salazar Slytherin. I know this sounds far fetched but Ginny is the youngest in the family and why would Lucas give the diary to her and not his son? This may also be why Lucas has it in for the weaslys, the Weaslys are apart of something that only wishes he could be and thinks they are wasting it!

Originally posted by Justin
i think book two is key in the way that it shows harry's possible slytherin/dark side, and how he chooses to be a good guy

Hmm... the last temptation of Harry...

Harry does have a dark side. He wants to kill Sirius when they first meet. He get's very furious very easily. If someone manipulates him enough, his dark side could come out (why do I have coming out of the closet jokes running through my head right now?)

Originally posted by Zen
Doesn't Harry say something about feeling that Riddle was a lot like him?[/B]

It mentions about how Harry feels like Riddle is an old friend, someone he knew when he was little. Maybe that's the clue...

he wouldn't give the diary to Draco because Tom Riddle absorbs Ginnie's essence to become whole again.
Don't think that even Lucius Malfoy would sacrifice his own son when he could do away with the daughter of someone he doesnt like all that much.

Originally posted by bjackm
I don't know how many people have already seen this, but I found this very interesting interview with JK on IGN Filmforce (http://filmforce.ign.com/harrypotter/articles/377/377244p1.html). The main purpose of the interview is JK's opinion on the second movie, but she also reveals that, "Key things happen in book two. No one knows how important those things are... yet. There's a lot in there. And I know how difficult it was to get it all in there without drawing too much attention to the clues."

What do you guys think these clues might be?

PS Sorry if this should go in the book forum. I wasn't sure, so I put it here.

That is strange, because of all the books, book 2 seems to be the most out of sync of all of them. It goes back to the past, rather than with the rise and fall of present Lord Voldemort. This is very new information to me, and I'll have to see how it plays out when((hopefully sometime this century)) JKR will get book 5 out.

Originally posted by Snitch8130
Quote:
Dd says that Voldemort is the LAST remaining descendent of
Salazar Slytherin.

JoFaye

I don’t remember reading this so if you'll please point me to a page I would appreciate it. Two my feeling is that the Weasley’s are descendants of Salazar Slytherin. I know this sounds far fetched but Ginny is the youngest in the family and why would Lucas give the diary to her and not his son? This may also be why Lucas has it in for the weaslys, the Weaslys are apart of something that only wishes he could be and thinks they are wasting it!

I believe that it actually does say that he is the last remaining heir of Salazar Slytherin, on his Mother's side. As Voldemort has had no children, it could stay that way.

Originally posted by dumbleedore
It mentions about how Harry feels like Riddle is an old friend, someone he knew when he was little. Maybe that's the clue...

That could get REALLY interesting! It sounds like Voldemort only started being openly evil a short while his first brush with Harry, (maybe a year or so?), so perhaps he's got some sort of connection with Harry's family that we don't know about yet.

Originally posted by Tom Marvolo Riddle
That is strange, because of all the books, book 2 seems to be the most out of sync of all of them. It goes back to the past, rather than with the rise and fall of present Lord Voldemort. This is very new information to me, and I'll have to see how it plays out when((hopefully sometime this century)) JKR will get book 5 out.

By your logic of book 2 not dealing with the rise and fall of the present Voldemort, book 3 would be out of sync as well as Voldemort doesn't even appear.

Book 2, in my opinion, is defently the weakest story. Book 1 is spectacular because it's all new, book 3 is darker and edgier, and book 4 is... beyond words. But book 2 just plods along at it's own pace. So yes, in that context it is out of sync.

However, the coming to light of the fact that there is something in book 2 that is a clue to the future of the books made me appricate book 2's blandness for all it's worth.

And that makes so sense what so ever

Originally posted by dumbleedore
By your logic of book 2 not dealing with the rise and fall of the present Voldemort, book 3 would be out of sync as well as Voldemort doesn't even appear.

However, Voldemort's servant appears, and in Book 4, we see how it all connects. Book 5 may well do the same thing with 2.

Book 2, in my opinion, is defently the weakest story. Book 1 is spectacular because it's all new, book 3 is darker and edgier, and book 4 is... beyond words. But book 2 just plods along at it's own pace. So yes, in that context it is out of sync.

However, the coming to light of the fact that there is something in book 2 that is a clue to the future of the books made me appricate book 2's blandness for all it's worth.

And that makes so sense what so ever

Ah, it made good sense. I agree with you about the last part. It'll be interesting to read. ((now starting the series for the 6th time)) JKR is driving me mad.

You wanna know something Tom? We've got to stop meeting like this!

Yes, Voldemort's servant does appear in book 3, BUT, I was talking about Voldemort himself appearing in some way, shape or form. It's going to be the only book where he doesn't pop in for a cuppa.

Book 2 was my least favorite. I was never sure why. But since I have
been looking for clues, I am enjoying it more. And when I say least
favorite, it's still one of my favorite books over all if that makes any sense.

Yes, but in Book 2, nothing really happens according to the Rise and Fall of Voldemort. In book 3, Wormtail leaves, eventually to find Voldemort. It fits the overall story better than book 2

I agree. That concept fooled me for a while. I'm still kind of vague on
Riddle of 50 years ago's relationship to Voldemort today, and how a
memory could threaten Harry's life.

Sorry. I maybe the stupidest member of Mugglenet. I never was much of a science fiction fan and maybe the concepts are just beyond me.

Voldemort stored his memory in the diary. Mr. Malfoy slipped the diary into Ginny's book. She used the diary, pouring her life into it, telling it everything. In the Chamber, she has almost no life left, and Tom(Voldemort) is almost alive. He took the life out of her, and used it to try and create a living version of him.

I was never quite clear on that either. However, it seems that since Ginny was telling so many things to Tom, he got stronger, but once Ginny actually died, that Tom Riddle, having served his function, would disappear and what would be left would be the present day Voldemort. The other possibility would be that Tom Riddle would cease to be a memory and become a real person, thus making a second Voldemort. However, I am inclined to think the first, but I still don't really see how it is possible...

If the memory became stronger................I'm sorry it just seems
wrong. It's 50 years later and Tom Riddle is still alive in Voldemort so
how could the memory live?

I think that's what I want to ask. I'm confused.

Lord Voldemort put his memory in the diary fifty years ago. I think it's sort of like the time turner thing. He is now in two places at once, see? He took the life from Ginny, and gave it to his 50 year old memory, and was very close to becoming a completely living person, while Ginny close to dead. I dunno if that answers, but I tried.

It is confusing... I suppose JK has it worked out, but I don't really get it either... Lets see, the memory was preserved 50 years ago so that Tom Riddle's/Voldemort's sixteen year old self would be preserved... but yes, at the same time this same Tom Riddle has gotten older and turned into Voldemort. I think what it is is that the Tom Riddle in the diary isn't a real person, just a preserved memory, so that he can coexist along with the real Voldemort, almost like a clone, but since he isn't alive it somehow works. Thus, when Ginny feeds herself into him, this memory becomes more like a person (but not being an actual person), and finally when Ginny puts so much of herself into him that she dies, he becomes alive, but since he can't coexist as a real person with the actual Voldemort, he disappears and what was fed into him goes into the real Voldemort, making him come back, stronger than ever before. This is probably very confusing and most likely does not make any sense, but its all I can see in the matter...

You're doing great, Tom. And the next question is not your fault I'm just stupid on this subject.

How could a memory and the person both be alive at the same time.
There would be a Voldemort, and another living person on their way to being the second Voldemort 50 years later?

I haven't exactly figured that out. I guess he would be using Ginny's life to support himself. Then, it wouldn't be like two of him were existing. This is just a theory, but with JKR anything could happen,

O.K. between Daniel and Tom I think I'm beginning to see forest instead of just trees. Thanks ya'all.

Anytime. I enjoy talking about Harry Potter, and sharing my theories. I also enjoy hearing others theories, and sometimes stealing/modifying them.

I've always wanted to know whether Mr Malfoy knew how to use Riddles diary and maybe the whole thing could have been Riddles idea and Mr Malfoy gave the book to Ginny instead of his own son so that it couldn't get traced back to him.

I think Malfoy knew how to work it. I mean, why else would he slip it into Ginny's book?

But did he know that she would use it? Or does the diary have the power to persuade the person to write in it? And why did he pick Ginny to do it? Was it just because she was there? Or because he hates the Weasley's? I mean, why not give it to Harry or Hermione? He could have gotten Harry killed, which is what Voldemort wants. Or maybe it was all Riddles idea (like I said already).

The objective was to put it into the school. Obviously, a pre-teen girl with many 'personal problems', and one he would probably like to see dead would be good to use in a mission where he needs to get life out of her, and kill her. See?

Seeing as though Riddle needed the life from Ginny, why not pick someone stronger? Or was she picked because she's weak and easy to manipulate?

Ah, just forget it. I'm just trying to find little things to tide me over until I see the movie (four days to go!).

He just needed a life to use, a human life. Using someone Malfoy hates is all the better for Malfoy.

I just had a massive brain wave and seeing as though the clue is in the movie, I need someone to verify that it was in the movie.

Dumbledore mentions at some point in CoS about no one connecting Riddle and Voldemort. Maybe this will come to light as they know Voldemort as Voldemort. No one recognised Riddle when he came back as Voldemort. And there were only his close friend who knew he was also Voldemort, so who are these close friends?

Probably some Slytherins from when Tom/Voldemort was at school.

But was that part included in the movie? That's mainly what I need to know, because i've got ideas running around my head and if I can get at least one cancelled out it would be brilliant.

I don't remember. I know it was in the book, but I only watched the movie once, and I really don't think it's there, but I can't tell you for sure.

That's ok... seeing the movie on Thursday anyway (finally).

Well, I hope you like it.

Aren't we having this same conversation in Muggle Media?

I don't know. I've got myself subscribed to about 5 threads, and I'm just going to them trying to remember what I am talking about. I'm gaining a lot of posts though.

The key is "Voldemort is my Past, Present and Future!" Notice that they cut many things but they put this sentence in. It's the key. There is a past Voldemort, not Tom Riddle when he is 16 years old but b4 that. Maybe Voldemort use a time tuner to meet the the 16 year old TR and tell him all about his past, present and future. This is what makes TR mad and psycho! In the end, all 3 will meet together (using the time tuner) and destroy the magical world.

The "Voldemort is my past, present and future" line is all about how Riddle is actually Voldemort, because it's followed by about how twice in Riddles future and Harry's past that Harry has defeated Voldemort.

If that makes any sense.

I know this is a bit off subject but when I was watching the movie, when Hagrid entered into DD office while Harry was in there he was holding a chicken, now your like duh he is Hagrid, but in the book he had the chicken to. Wasn’t the writing on the wall in chicken blood and where did Ginny get the chicken without anyone noticing? I know this sounds far fetched but Columbus never payed that much attention to how things happened in the book, so why do it now?

Sorry to br thrashing on somthing that may not have any revelance to the series but who was Hagrid waiting on when Harry and Ron showed up at the hut. He had his crossbow drawn remember...

So you i am rewatching the film and throwing anything out that jumps out as strange, so when harry says your the heir tom riddle answer and then tom says that mudbloods does not matter any more that he was after harry. and also says that he would not use his filthy fathers muggle name. Could this mean he is not the heir. sorry for the typing and errors it is getting late in TN.

I thought Hagrid was holding a dead rooster. In the book, Hagrid's roosters were getting slaughtered by something. Later, we find out Ginny did the killing, because the sound of a crowing rooster is fatal to a basilisk. Maybe Hagrid had his cross-bow out to kill whatever creature was attacking his roosters?

Tom Riddle might have inherited his Slytherin powers from his mother's side.

Tom Riddle did inherit his Slytherin powers from his mother's side. "I am the last remaining relative of Salazar Slytherin, through my mom's side, of course"(or something to that effect)

JKR has said in interviews that there were important things in CoS that most people didn't think were important but will be important later. She also said that she made sure that these elements were in the film.

Having watched the film looking for these elements, I was wondering why the scene in Knockturn Alley was included in the movie. Afterall, the film people do not seem to mind altering the plot in the movie. Since Harry does not see the Malfoys in KA, is there another reason why it was necessary to include this scene?

My only idea is that it might have to do with Hagrid's being there. His excuse that he needed slug repellent doesn't hold water. Theories about why Hagrid really was in Knockturn Alley?

BTW -- Why doesn't the Ministry shut down the businesses in KA?

I think the Basilisk actually has a great deal to do with the overall story and not just CoS. I've posted a new thread (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2825), discussing the connections of the Basilisk.

Onto other musings....

Originally posted by timmay
every1 sees the link between the sword and harry, but is it overshadowing Harry's link to fawkes? how long do Phoenixs last for who else has had fawkes as a pet? somebody famous from hogwarts's past? godric Griffindor perhaps?

I'm a long time beleiver that Fawkes was originally taken care of by Gryffindor. I do think Harry will end up with some connection to Gryffindor, and also Dumbledore, but not through blood. Fawkes is the key. I think Fawkes chooses his next care taker, as well the next 'heir' of Gryffindor. I don't want to put too much stake in the 'heir' theory because it seems so obvious. But Harry might be Gryffindor's heir, by Fawkes' choice, but it won't be reason for V's attempt on Harry's life.

remember too the JKR said that Harry is not related to Voldemorte by blood.
and also the importance griffindor places on skill, not the purity of blood.
the whole, its not what you are its what you become belief system.

This is why I think Fawkes is the key - he chooses the most worthy person. He doesn't base it on blood relations.

i realise that it is cliche Draco turning against his father but it would need to be something serious to change his entire belief system.
or am i running the the entirly wrong direction at a brick wall?

I'm waiting to see Draco's development. He is often put down and criticized by his father. His father is also abusive to Dobby - and he might very well be abusive to Draco. Draco is following his father right now, but I don't think Draco understands the extent of his father's involvement with Voldemort. He knows only surface information. Doing what's right will be to turn his back on his father, but will that be so easy? Absolutely not. I look forward to Draco's dilemna.

I'm not a beleiver that Harry and Draco will team up. Draco might come around and reject the pureblood belief, but he will never like Harry. This is one part of the story that I think will be like Father and son - Snape and James will end up being the overriding storyline for Draco and Harry.

I've never considered the idea that Fawkes could be the key to any part of the story. That is something to consider, though.

Maybe Dumbledore knew Harry would end up there accidentally, so he sent Hagrid to find him?

I think Hagrid went there to find illegal animals, as per his usual. Maybe it's something that gets away in a later book and causes a huge ruckus.

I don't believe the Ministry of Magic would want to willy-nilly shut down Knockturn Alley because some questionable businesses are there. It could be because they fear the influential people that run them, or that these places serve a purpose.

Think about it, Knockturn Alley is where scum from all over the world gathers to discuss pokemon tradingcard game, and other shady businesses. If you know that this is where they go, why demolish it? So long you have the place, scum won't reach into civiliced quarters. And what better place to spy on scum?

I was thinkin that exact same thing! Cos if u get rid of the 'scums' hidin hole then they will just infest an cause havic on the nice wizarding people!

Maybe one of them is dooby being free. He isn't exactly weak. And I also think he might be dying in the 5th book and playing a big part in this whole thing. I mean, how did know the chamber of secrets where gonna be open in the first place? If he over heard from Lucious how did he know? Tom is a ghost and when would him and Lucious talk. But Lucious didn't even know, or I'm sure he would have told Draco, who didn't know either. So that means Dooby is over hearing some talking and such to know trhat something bad will happen to harry, and he never metioned it was the Chamber of Secrets. Wow, Im rambeling now and just typeing out exactly what im thinking, i better stop before i hurt myself...

I think Dobby has already played his part by telling Harry who gave Ginny the diary in CoS. I think it will end up biting old Lucius in the backside when all is said and done. I don't think Dobby will do anymore than that, though.

But how did Dooby know everything was gonna happen?

Probably heard Malfoy talking. It seems that Malfoy ignores his house elves.

But Malfoy didn't even know, he told Crabb and Goyle he didn't know, and I'm sure something like that his father woudl tlel him, and of course Lucious doesn't care if it comes back because Draco is pure wizard, and he finds it a good excuse to get Dumbledoor out of school, so he isn't really concerned who is doing it.

Ah, I think that Dobby either heard something from Malfoy, or someone else there. Obviously, he knew what was going on.

Yes! He did and thats my point! You can assume it was the Malfroys that told him but no where in that book did it tell you either of the Malfroys knew. And I think this is what JK Rowling was saying how people over looking it, You can assume the obvious but you don't know. This is something im sure most people over looked. But no way of know till the the next few comes out.

IT was obvious that Malfoy purposely put it into Ginny's book, and he knew what was going to happen.

Oh yea forgot about that. My bad.

Heh. Easy to forget things when there's like over 1500 pages in the series, and some events are similar.

I always thought there was something different about the Chamber of Secrets. Why was it so different from the other books? And I think it's because it holds so many clues and most of us can't see it!

I think one of the important (and interesting) clue is the similarties between Harry and Tom Riddle. Most people think it's because they're related, :rolleyes:, but that is way too obvious!

I read a post on a different message board, can't remember which, that had me reeling. Take this quote from CoS, the one Ernie has said:

That's probably why You-know-who wanted to kill him (Harry) in the first place. Didn't want another Dark Lord competing with him. I wonder what other powers Potter's been hiding?

We all know JKR can take a simple sentence and make it into a big clue like she did with Sirius in SoS. This could be another example.

Why would Voldemort want to kill little Harry Potter when he was a baby? Maybe it could be because he didn't want any wizard competing with him. Voldemort made have heard from somewhere that little Harry Potter will grow up and have powers that would rival Voldemort's. Voldemort didn't want that, so he wanted to kill Harry. Of course, the spell backfired, and now Harry has some of Voldemort's powers, like Parseltongue. Who knows what other powers Harry could have and when he learns to use them then maybe his power will rival Voldemort's.

As you can see, I really like this theory.:) If only I remember where I heard it from because I can't take credit.

You mean to say that you think Harry would COMPETE with Voldemort as a dark wizard? I seriously doubt that. Dumbledore said it was our choices that decide who we are. Harry chose Gryffindor, and I think he'll choose good over evil.

No, I'm not saying he would become evil, maybe I word it wrong. What I'm trying to say is he would become as powerful as Voldemort, and Voldemort will not like that. Harry will not become a bad guy, he'll remain good, just powerful. He does have some of Voldemort's powers.

Remeber in GoF when Voldemort said he was a fool that he thought Harry would be more powerful than him. Why would he say that?

He thought that Harry would NEVER be more powerful than him, and that it was stupid of people to think so.

Yes, Voldemort doesn't want anyone as or more powerful than him. He believes it will never happen and kill all those who are powerful. He must have heard that Harry might become more powerful than him, and decided to kill him. That is why they have so much similarties(sp?) because they rival each other.

Ugh! Do I make any sense? I don't think I'm doing well in putting my thoughts down.:grumble:

What can be the key?

Filch is a squib

Fred and george can do muggle tricks, like opening a door without a wand (maybe in battle against deatheaters?)

Aragog keeps there. And the Anglia, of course.

Don´t forget Knockturn Alley

Gilderoy remembers the Chamber stuff (look at when Skeeter writes the "Harry is crazy" article. He´s member of the group aginst dark arts)

The Headless group?

Moaning Myrtle. I´m sure she wants revenge with Voldie.

Fawkes again? More tears?



We should discuss each one, but i´m afraid of the zero tolerance policy. I´ve been banned of another forum because of a stupidness, so i don´t want that to happen again.

I don't see why you'd be banned for something like this, and each of those could be good to discuss.
I doubt it has anything to do with Filch, because he's a squib, meaning he's useless.
I think it has to do with Aragog, and the Anglia. I think the Anglia might save the day again..but I don't know what is up with Aragog.

The Zero-Tolarence policy is not intended to scare people from stating their views. Nothing bad will happen to you unless you break the rules, and being "stupid" isn't breaking a rule (unless, of course, you are stupid and because of that break a rule.) You will always be sent a notice before you are banned, and you will only be banned if you ignore what this notice tells you to do. As long as you follow the forum rules you don't have to worry about being banned.

Anyway, I think those are very good points to discuss, and you are not being stupid at all in posting them. I think they all have potential to be important.

Yes, they all do have potential. And with JKR being...JKR, and the four previous books, they could all be a factor.

I was rereading the Heir of Slytherin capter, ANd Tom Says Quote:"You think I was going to use my filthy Muggle father's name forever? I, in whose veins runs the blood of Salazar Slytherin him self through my mothers side?"<-------------?????? why the question mark is it in your books to??? American Hard Back CoS Page 314, I have reread this and i cant for the life of me figure out if he is asking Harry if he is the heir or what? Also in the chapter he states that it is Ginny who opened the chapter and let the baslik out. Which makes me wonder if ginny made the baslik go after Hermonie????? There is another thing i just relized are all the victims Gryffindore students??well except for the ghost and the cat

This could be rephrased to read thus: "You think I, in whose veins runs the blood of Salazar Slytherin himself through my mother's side, was going to use my filthy Muggle father's name forever?" The "You think I was going to use my filthy Mugle father's name forever?" is implied in the second phrase ("I, in whose veins..."). He is not asking whether or not he is the heir; it is a continuation of the first question. The "I" in the second phrase is elaborating upon the "I" in the first one ("You think I...").

Justin is a Hufflepuff. Penelope is a Ravenclaw. The only house that didn't have victims was Slytherin.

I think the question mark at the end of that line is a continuation of the previous question. In other words, "Did you think someone that was the Heir of Slytherin would continue to use my Muggle father's name? You must be joking!" Something like that. :)

I doubt Ginny consciously sent the basilisk after Hermione. After all, she's *supposedly* completely under Riddle's control, and not even aware of what is happening.

It's an interesting point, though. What if Ginny had some slight influence over what was happening, only she doesn't want to admit it? I can't imagine why she'd want to get rid of Hermione, though, crush on Harry or no.

He was adding to "you think I'm going to use my filthy Muggle dad's name forever?"

Of course she was under complete control. That's what Tom himself says, I think...

Please don't double-post, use the edit button instead... (Sorry, no offense intended, but I thought I should remind you that you aren't supposed to Double-post...)

Anyway, I always assumed that she was under total control as well--that she didn't have any choice in the matter...

What happened was when I came, I saw one post, then I saw the other on a different steve@cosforum e-mail. I didnt know there was an Edit button, but I see it now.

I tried to wade through all the posts in this message to see if this is mentioned, but I did not see it so here goes....

One thing in the movie that struck me as something that could have easily been cut out happened in Hagrid's hut. In the movie they made a pretty obvious attempt to show that Dumbledore knew that Ron and Harry were in the hut under the invisibility cloak. He was looking directly at the camera (which was supposed to be from Harry and Ron's perspective) and said the thing about "I will only truely leave this school when nobody is loyal to me." I don't quite know how it will come into play later, but this part seemed about as obvious to me as the foreshadowing in movie 1 how the nimbus 2000 would be important later in that movie.

He also said in the first book that he didn't need an invisibility cloak to be invisible. It seems he has some special powers in regards to these cloaks... but there's another thread for that.

Dumbledore's point in doing this, and the reason that it was in the movie is because later, the Pheonix comes, and Dumbledore says "You must've shown real faith to me in there".

Arg! I posted in the wrong thread! Stupid me.

Thanks for the clearing up!!! Here is my point with ginny, First the Mrs. Noris who Harry dont like could get him in trouble so that one ginny has heard about around the house. Two is sir nicholus and his deathday party that harry mentions to ron and hermonie in the common room he dont want to goto because of the feast(i dont think that was in the movie) Three is colin creevy who has been following harry around and getting on his nerves. and then there is hermoine which is very closer to harry and she might suspect her to like him. Now i dont know for sure but this sounds like she had some control cause every person that got petrified had some way of making harry happy. Another thing is Tom Riddle Clearly States is that Ginny open CoS...i know typing is bad At work, and in a hurry if there is any victim that i missed let me know!

I thought I would never believe that any of the Weasleys would go bad.
But, after re-reading CoS this week-end, I wonder if I've been wrong about defending Percy.

He is seen reading a book "Prefects Who Gained Power" notice it isn't Prefects who Succeed. I think the power mention may have meaning.
Also, several times before the kids find out Tom Riddle became Voldemort they compared him to Percy.

Could be a subtle message from J.K. I guess, but I still hope not.

I don't think Percy wants to become a Dark Lord, but I do think he is ambitious, and would like to be head of the MoM someday. I think that's what it meant by 'gaining power'

I hope so. I love the Weasleys. I don't want any of them to go bad. It's kind of why I want Harry to marry Ginny. So he'll be related to them.

Harry will NEVER(and I repeat, NEVER) marry Ginny. He will marry Hermione.

Originally posted by Tom Marvolo Riddle
Harry will NEVER(and I repeat, NEVER) marry Ginny. He will marry Hermione.

I've been told it will never happen to many times to doubt it any longer.
I guess part of it was just a girl thing too. I felt so sorry for Ginny. Caring so much. Would it kill him to pay a little attention to her?

Yes, when he'll be with Hermione. :P

Oh, come on. Just a little consideration for Ginny. Is it so horrible that she thinks you're the most wonderful boy she's ever known. You can't even appreciate the compliment enough for a small kindness?

I'm sure he'll be FRIENDS with Ginny, but I don't think he'll be with her like that. H/H.

Friends, shiends. She wants some private attention. He doesn't have to talk about love or dating or anything. Just a little attention.

It seems we've gotten a bit off topic...There's already a thread on who's going to fall in love in the forum.

Book Five Predictions: Who Will Fall in Love with Who? (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63)

Sorry it's book 2 secrets, right? Percy Weasley going bad? I'm beginning to think it's possible, but I hate it. Is there any information that says for sure someone is going to go over to the dark side?

Come on Faire Girl you know as well as I do theres not really anything that can be proven as to whats going to happen ^_^

I just thought maybe J.K. said something in an interview. Like the death that was horrible to write.

Here is another one of my ginny things on the wall it said Enemys of the heir beware. Why would colin crevy be one along with the ghost and the cat??? none of them are mudbloods so why? hermonie was the first mudblood and the only one that fit the status of mudbloods. I still think ginny picked who was attacked!!!

Ginny doesn't have a mean bone in her body. It was Tom Riddle/Voldemort.

But why did every one suspect Harry when he was in the hospital when Colin was attacked?

One thing that has already become important is the Polyjuice Potion. It was kinda important in Book2 but then in Book4, wow the whole Moody/Young Crouch thing hit you in the face. That's why I think it's something kinda important like Harry pulling the sword out of the hat, something sorta important, but not really

I agree. I think the sorting hat may turn out to play a larger part also.

Quote: Ginny doesn't have a mean bone in her body. It was Tom Riddle/Voldemort.

How do we know this???? In book one we see Ginny for a whole three seconds..In book two besides the end we only see her when she sends harry the singing what ever it was.. and book three or Four we hardly hear anything from her the only thing i rember is book four is that she went out w/longbottom, So how do we know this we all conclude she is a good person. Oh by the way H/H!

We really don't know much about Ginny at all. I don't see why she couldn't have a "mean bone" in her, but then, there isn't anything to proove she has. As you said, we don't really see a whole lot of Ginny.

Exactly, Ginny might really be the evil person of the book and kill anyone who gets between her and Harry...

Hehe, theres the way to end the books, Ginny killing Voldemort because he was going to kill Harry...

^_^

Originally posted by lanifiel
Exactly, Ginny might really be the evil person of the book and kill anyone who gets between her and Harry...

Hehe, theres the way to end the books, Ginny killing Voldemort because he was going to kill Harry...

^_^

That is way to far fetched!:D
I think Ginny is just one of the good gals, unless Tom Riddle had some influence on her, which I doubt because she seemed pretty upset of what Tom did to her.

I believe that she is one of the few who suffered Voldemort (memory!Tom)'s wrath and lived. Maybe this will be important. Maybe she found out some key information from Tom's past.

:)

Hey this might not be anything, but someone said something about in myth the only thing that could kill a basilisk is a weasel. And they said it was one of the weaslys that would be able to kill it. I think it might be Ginny because in CoS she had to have seen the basilisk when she went down there it didnt do anything to her.

Tom did say that in the end he confided some of his secrets in her, this is one of my reasons for thinking that she is dark. In book two with her nothing seems to add up.... She was the one who opened the chamber, she who know the diary was no good left it where harry, ron or hermine would find it( this is to me... think about left in the ssame bathroom she has been going in and out of all year... she had to see or smell the culdren. even after she claims it was she knew it was evil she still wrote in it..

There is one thing that is kind of weird, she tells everyone that there are

There is one thing that is kind of weird, she tells everyone that there are alot of important things in book 2 right after she releases the movie. I am not saying she is lieing, but wouldnt it sell more if people thought it was important to the books?

(first off, Voritian try not to double post, if nobody has replied to the message just hit the "edit" button in your previous post)

I know that we don't know what kind of person Rowling really is, but I am pretty sure she is already rich beyond her wildest dreams and really has no reason to try to sell the movie more. To be honest, I don't know if that would sell the movie much more anyway. Those "freaks" like us that are trying to speculate future books are gonna see the movie loads of times anyway.

hi!


in the first (or 2nd?) page of this thread, someone stated that McGonagall maybe the same age as Voldermort. i didn't know the bouts of McGonagall being about the same age as Voldermort. that's new. if it's so, then it might be one of the pivotal point of the whole series. maybe she had a crush on voldie in her years as a student at hogwarts? dumbledore did say that tom riddle was a "..clever, handsome boy who was once Head Boy.."

i dunno.. McGonagal seems to me very similar to hermione when she's her age. and we heard possible rumors that hermione might be the head girl. what about the plaque with McGonagal name in the 1st movie? (yeah maybe it's a Quidditch referal, but i'm guessing) was McGonagal also a head girl in her years? (then she'll be really close with tom riddle, the head boy)..

if it so then, McGonagal also would proved very useful, as she would be one source very much unlooked for for dumbledore and the league against voldermort when at the heights of dark power. but the downfall of this point is, i haven't read anywhere from JKR or hints from JKR saying McGonagal would be really2 important for the series' plot.


p/s: i've read somewhere that JKR said one of the hogwarts classroom(?) was magically unnoticed (or somewhat like the importance of it) maybe it was Snape's potion dungeon ingredient chamber where hermione stole some ingredients for the polyjuice potion?

cheers!

I think this missing room is the one that held the Mirror of Erised. Really, the room itself is given no notice, only the mirror inside it. After the mirror is removed, the room is no longer mentioned. I think that room will have something to do with Voldemort(most likelky when he was Tom Riddle), but I don't really know.

hmm.. wonder what would this room might hold for us...?

About McGonnagall and Riddle, in the Lexicon it speculates that McGonnagall was born ca. 1920, and Riddle in 1927. So if those dates are right, She would have been a seventh year when Tom was a first year. Little possibility of their having much to do with each other.

McGonnagall could be younger, but still, there is little mixing of years except for those one year apart. My private theory--aided by the plaque in the first movie--is that McGonnagall had a child who was murdered or harmed by Voldemort, and that's why she is so against him.

The idea that few knew knew Tom Riddle became Voldemort may be a pivotal thing. Lucius Malfoy is too young to be at school with Tom R. But others may have been, maybe people like---Fudge! Or others. (OK, I admit I'm on this Fudge is more than he seems or more pivotal than we know kick).

And Fudge first appears in CoS. There is more to Fudge and how he reacts than it appears. Remember his abrupt character reversal and the way he bought wholeheartedly the stories Rita Skeeter was spreading about Harry. Fudge may end up helping Voldemort, albeit unwittingly. But Fudge also likes the pureblood idea, that's why Arthur has been held back at the Ministry, his love of Muggles.

I think this missing room is the one that held the Mirror of Erised. Really, the room itself is given no notice, only the mirror inside it. After the mirror is removed, the room is no longer mentioned. I think that room will have something to do with Voldemort(most likelky when he was Tom Riddle), but I don't really know.
I thought that was just an empty classroom... I can't see how an empty classroom can really be very important.

There's also the chamberpot room that Dumbledore found once. I wonder if Rowling was just trying to be funny, or if this will be of some importance in the series?

Ah! The chamber-pot room. That has been the subject of some conversations, with people quite devided as to whether this was mere humour or if it had a deeper meaning. I believe that there is more to it, but there isn't a whole lot to back that opinion up. Anyway, it was mentioned in book 4, so it wouldn't be one of the things important in book 2.

Originally posted by daniel4hp
I thought that was just an empty classroom... I can't see how an empty classroom can really be very important.


when i read the book, i'm guessing that too; what's the use of an empty classroom does.. but why that particular room held the mirror of erised? if it's just another room, the students are bound to come and go (like when harry, ron, hermione did when they want to practised some hexes or discuss something secretly) then the whole school would know about the mirror of erised, i guess most 1st years would probably want to come along an have a look then. only a handful of students indicated by dumbledore have had seen the mirror. tom riddle seeing his future powerful voldermort person maybe? maybe that's why he's so keen of turning to the dark side.

anyway... i'm way out of bound. the room indicated by JKR probably was mentioned in the 4th book and this mirror of erised was in the 1st book. don't ban me from this forum!

Originally posted by Sinistra
About McGonnagall and Riddle, in the Lexicon it speculates that McGonnagall was born ca. 1920, and Riddle in 1927. So if those dates are right, She would have been a seventh year when Tom was a first year. Little possibility of their having much to do with each other.

McGonnagall could be younger, but still, there is little mixing of years except for those one year apart. My private theory--aided by the plaque in the first movie--is that McGonnagall had a child who was murdered or harmed by Voldemort, and that's why she is so against him.



thanks for the insights. if she had a child, can he possibly be around lucious malfoy/arthur weasley's age? or sirius/james/remus? how about the idea of her child became a death eater like barty crouch jr.?

p/s: anyone can tell me some theories on why draco tear a page from a book in flourish & blotts in the 2nd movie? or he's just plain evil? am i in the right thread?

I think there might be a thread on that in Muggle Media, or if not, then you could mention it in the CoS Reviews. Basically, I think it was just a little extra thing thrown in to show that he doesn't have much respect for things...

in a chat JK mention at the release of Goblet of Fire that Mcgonnagol is 70 years old. At that time Voldemort would be 67 years old. I figure there are 3 years separating them.

Mcgonnagol 70 years old in book 4
mcgonnagol 69 years old in book 3
Mcgonnagol 68 years old in book 2

68- 50 years since the chamber was opened by Tom riddle would make her 18. She could have possibly been a 7th year or had just left school the year before. Either way there were 3 years difference between them as tom Riddle was 15 when the chamber was opened.

Am I making sense.

Not just Knockturn Alley, but Hagrid being there - did anyone else feel that he was making up that 'slug repelent' line in the film, as though covering- he had no bag with him, did he? Also eyes - the basillisc's powerful eyes, being blinded or blind, (metaphorically speaking,) aragog being blind - what power do eyes hold? The invisibility cloak and Dumbldore seeing through it - just what is the extent of his powers? And why Ginny - why did Lucius want her to have the diary if it was Harry Voldemort was aiming for? Just some of my rambling thoughts - more to follow, sadly!

O.K. just read other posts - here it comes . . .

1. How did Ginny know that Harry had the diary to raid his room when she hadn't seen it and Tom couldn't tell her?

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2. About the whole McGonagal thing. With the age difference, you say she and Riddle would have had little to do with each other but think about Ginny, and the others - she's younger but has a connection to Harry and Hermione etc, because she's Ron's sister. Maybe McGonagal had a younger sister in the same year as Riddle. Maybe that sister died . . . maybe she haunts a bathroom?!
:whistle: :whistle:

Yes, why was Hagrid down Knockturn Alley? Surely you could get sufficient gardening supplies in Diagon Alley...

On how Ginny knew Harry had the dairy, In the book on valintines day Harry's bag was ripped from the little cupid trying to get Harry to hold still so he could sing the song Ginny had wrote. On hagrid no didnt belive the whole thing with slug repelent cause latter on in the movie he e held up a can that looked like it had been through lord knows what, also he wouldnt tell Harry and Ron who he waiting for when he had his crossbow drawn in his hut and he used the crossbow to open the door every time durring that scene.

Maybe Hagrid is having dealings with shady people down Knockturn Alley, like trying to get yet another illegal animal, but he doesn't entirely trust this person, hence the armed crossbow?

I like your location Mickey. Very proper name for it, West Coast.

Anyways, yeah, I thought it was kind of suspicious with the whole slug repelant thing. I'm mean, they brought it up in the movie twice, so it must be important somehow.

Cool I made a thread that has over 100 posts!

It's what folks from the rest of the US call us, as if the entire area is comprised of Berkeley and San Francisco (um, there *are* other cities in California, you know ;)).

Back OT. Hagrid never seems to know how to lie convincingly. He either lets things slip when he'd be better off keeping quiet, or he lies so obviously no one believes him.

I just saw CoS again yesterday, and I thought the book Draco tore the page from was Hogwarts: A History. If it was that book, it was way to small given what JKR has said about it (1000+ pages). Anyhow, can anyone substantiate this? If it was Hogwarts: A History, then there's foreshadowing, that Draco knows about the Chamber and what it will do. (We'll probably have to wait for the DVD and pause on a big high resolution screen.)

I also saw Hagrid's dodgy look when he told Harry why he was down Knockturn Alley. He does show up later with the slug repellant, so it could be real, but I guess it was also dodgy. That part was left in, after all, and not the part about Draco and Lucius in Borgen and Burkes. So Hagrid in Knockturn Alley is important in some way to the rest of the series.

As to Hagrid's crossbow, I imagine he was waiting for whoever really opened the chamber of secrets, or maybe that particular monster (whatever it was, because nobody knew what it was at that time) or alternatively, hit wizards to take him out or something.

With the whole 'Hagrid and the cross-bow' thing, I think he feared that someone would find out that was what he'd been expelled for, (a pupil like Malfoy for example,) and come after him. Either that, or he thought it might be the dementors coming back to give him the dreaded kiss. :love: What do you think?

i have never understood why it was hermonie who figured everything out and not 1 of the teachers.
there cant be all that many things out there that can petrify things.

Hagrid down knockturn ally, objects tht have dark powers work both ways it depends on who is weilding them.
its the case of guns dont kill people, people kill people.

and sadly my divx COS hant got the resolution for me to see the book that Dracos reading.

oh and Harry was writing in the diary in the common room so i guess ginny saw him there. or she might have seen him in the corrodore when his bag split open.

Originally posted by timmay
i have never understood why it was hermonie who figured everything out and not 1 of the teachers.
there cant be all that many things out there that can petrify things.

Hagrid down knockturn ally, objects tht have dark powers work both ways it depends on who is weilding them.
its the case of guns dont kill people, people kill people.

and sadly my divx COS hant got the resolution for me to see the book that Dracos reading.

oh and Harry was writing in the diary in the common room so i guess ginny saw him there. or she might have seen him in the corrodore when his bag split open.

well, in the book, she saw it when his bag split open...so i assume its the same way in the movie...though it wasnt shown

Timmay - you raise a very valid point. If almost all of the teachers where at school when Old Moany' Mert. was killed, why the heck did none of them think . . . I wonder if it was a bloomin' great snake again!! Snape saw that Harry could speak Parsel tongue at the duelling club - all of the pupils freaked coz they guessed that this must have some link with the chamber and yet it didn't dawn on Snape that this might be useful for controlling the monster?!!!

There are other things and people that can petrify. The teachers had the students and school on their minds. And Dumbledore leaving. So they all had extra duties while he was gone, plus patrols.

And Harry and Co. are the heroes of the book, so how fun would that be if they watched while the teachers figured it all out?

And they didn't know what killed Myrtle. She was dead. Just dead, and they didn't know why or how.

But she must have died at the time when the chamber was opened, so they must have suspected a connection, surely? This kind of thing worries me! :(

You would think so, wouldn't you? Here's another thing...the attacks stopped after Riddle exposed Hagrid, but in fact Hagrid's spider was not the monster. And the school apparently did not close. So the basilisk was never found. Maybe everyone just breathed a sigh of relief when the attacks stopped and decided not to fix what ain't broke (anymore). Like Sinistra said, I guess the teachers were too busy to do the library research like Hermione did.

and no one knew harry was hearing the voices, except ron and herm. remember, he didnt tell anyone? so, why would anyone assume that the parseltongue was key to controlling the monster? everyone just assumed harry was the heir becuz slytherin was parseltongue, too...but surely he knew how to control other monsters, as well. and, they thought the spider was the monster, becuz hagrid was caught with it, and riddle closed the chamber after that.

It's not book 2, but don't you think Crookshanks has the potential to be more inportant to the plot?

i personally think everyone that has been developed in the series will have a major role in the plot in one form or another. obviously, some will have more important roles, though