Will Voldemort be the last Dark Lord?

Morgoth
July 18th, 2002, 9:37 pm
Ok, suppose Harry manages to kill of Voldemort and bring a sense of peace back to the magical world. Do you think that will honestly be the last dark lord or dark wizard to grace the lands?
If we look briefly and the history of JKRs world, we can see that Slytherin himself was tempted by dark magic, and that was a thousand years before.
There are bound to have been really powerful dark witches and wizards during the course of human history, so the question then becomes: Is Voldemort just another problem?

It seems to me, that the kind of story JK is leaning towards is one where there is finally a sense of closure on the dark magic of Harry's world. Somehow, by defeating Voldemort, brings an end to a long era of darkness and possibly a golden era of peace?

However as they say, you cannot have good without evil and vica-versa. Opinions?

Anne
July 19th, 2002, 8:52 am
Hmm...interesting question. There will always be evil people (Draco, for example), but I think Voldemort will be the last Dark Lord in Harry's time. But, who know, 200 years from now, there may be another Dark Lord running around claiming to be the Heir of Voldemort. Who knows?

Valerie
July 19th, 2002, 5:32 pm
Well Dumbledore defeated a dark wizard, I forgot his name. I definitely think there will be more but I think it might come awhile after Voldemort, that is if Voldemort is defeated by the end of the series.

Kneazle
July 20th, 2002, 5:48 pm
There will always be someone else. I do think that after Voldemort's downfall (trusting that he is conquered) there will be a very long period of peace. I also doubt anyone else will ever compare to Voldemort, and that all other rising Dark Lords will be crushed more easily and much faster.

LewsTherin
July 22nd, 2002, 5:57 am
Yes, I think Voldemort will be the last Dark Lord. Others will inevitably try to emulate him, but they will be set upon by the wizarding world before they can do anything. Besides, after Voldemort's defeat, I think there is going to be a large-scale 'cleansing' operation to get rid of Dark Magic and those who practice it. So, I think there will be a golden age of peace, which though it may have darker patches, will last.

Anne
July 22nd, 2002, 6:00 am
Yes, what exactly do you mean by "Dark Lord"? An evil wizard with followers, or just an evil wizard with power?

Manyasha
July 22nd, 2002, 5:38 pm
I think that Dark Lord is an evil wizard with followers. So Grindelwald (the wizard that was mentioned by Valerie) is not Dark Lord. He is a powerful dark wizard, and that is not the same. I personally think that Voldemort is the only Dark Lord, and he will be the last one. But there will always be some powerful evil wizards who will follow his path. Maybe one of them will succeed...
:devil:

Morgoth
July 22nd, 2002, 6:00 pm
Originally posted by Manyasha
I think that Dark Lord is an evil wizard with followers. So Grindelwald (the wizard that was mentioned by Valerie) is not Dark Lord. He is a powerful dark wizard, and that is not the same. I personally think that Voldemort is the only Dark Lord, and he will be the last one. But there will always be some powerful evil wizards who will follow his path. Maybe one of them will succeed...
:devil:

Was Slytherin a dark lord or dark wizard? I'm confused about his real identity. Everything needs a starting point, and Slytherin seems to be the point at which dark magic took a turn for the darker. I dunno, there has to have been a previous dark lord.
Like Morgoth in the Silmarillion. He's the first dark lord of Middle Earth, then it hands down to Sauron, who become the second dark lord, but as it possibly could be with Harry Potter, there is a great length of time between the two lords.

Manyasha
July 22nd, 2002, 6:25 pm
:eek: The first dark lord of Middle Earth posts at these forums :eek: Where have I come?.. :scared: :lol: j/k
Good point, I forgot Slytherin. He could be a Dark Lord. But he was not immortal. Maybe only heirs of Slytherin can become Dark Lords? Though I'm doubtful about this.

TheSortingHat
July 23rd, 2002, 4:05 am
I've always seen the good/evil conflict in the books as being played through two individuals - they have their followers, of course, but there are two major combatants. Right now, these are Voldemort (evil) and Dumbledore (good). They each have special powers - namely the ability to read minds and the like.

It has, I think, been this way in the past - Gryffindor and Slytherin, Dumbledore and Grindelwald. So, most likely, after Voldemort's demise, another will come to take his place - maybe not immediately, but within Harry's lifetime, at least.

I don't think that there have been other Heirs of Slytherin, and there most likely have been Dark Lords before. Voldemort was the most powerful in about a century, so there has probably been another somewhere close to him in strenght recently - he (or she) must've had followers.

TheSortingHat

jedily
July 23rd, 2002, 4:07 pm
Yeah, but if the Chamber of Secrets could only be opened by the heir of Slytherin, and that was Tom Riddle aka Voldemort, doesn't that imply something unusual? Like, he's the ONLY one who could ever be the Heir, and take up the mantle of Dark Lord? What if he had children? Would they be able to partake of the linage of being the Heir?

Morgoth
July 23rd, 2002, 5:20 pm
So what if Tom Riddle has a son or daughter. He could easily have found time to er... you know and well, if he did, that means the line continues.

But I doubt that it would inspire JK to write a second series of novels or maybe she could write a series of novels based on the struggle Voldy's son or daughter goes through... Tempted by good and evil... That sounds too star wars

Ferrik
July 23rd, 2002, 5:28 pm
I believe that there will be other Dark Lords after Voldemort. They may not come in Harry's lifetime (assuming he survives the books), but they will show eventually. There will always be people who crave absolute power over others. Only the Dark Arts can really give them that. No matter how hard the MoM cracks down on the existing Dark Wizards, someone will eventually risk it. Such is humanity.:devil:

Valerie
July 23rd, 2002, 10:00 pm
Who ever said Voldemort was gonna be defeated?:elaugh:

Peter
July 24th, 2002, 1:20 pm
Evil people will always exist, until there are no more evilnes.

Alicia_Potter
July 24th, 2002, 4:06 pm
Well, I think that Lord implies followers, so I think that if there were other Drak Lords, they weren't as bad as Voldemort. If they were, wouldn't Hermione know about them and mention it? As for the future, of course there will be more Dark Lords! I mean the future is endless (unless a big asteroid comes and kills us all off, or an alien spaceship lands and kills us off, or...). Who knows what will happen? And evil people get more and more evil. There is always a way to become ruthless and power-hungry. However, Voldemort will probably be the worst for a long time.

Morgoth
July 24th, 2002, 6:06 pm
I still think Voldemort has offspring. I am going to write to JK and ask her if I can write the next set of HP books. I think that would be best. Yes. I shall call them, Matt's Adventures.. hmm... Maybe not.

Ali
July 24th, 2002, 6:17 pm
well, Voldemort will be the last assuming that JKR will stick to her plan and write only 7 books ... but evil does always exist as you guys mentioned.

ReLupin
July 27th, 2002, 12:41 am
I think there will always be new people who are evil. However, I don't think they will be as powerful as Voldemort.

Alex
July 27th, 2002, 5:59 am
I think it is likely that another evil wizard would arise eventually. It seems to happen in cycles... even in the non-magic world. Whether JKR will write about it is another one. Maybe if she has an epilogue... but I don't see another dark lord becoming a major character.

Benzo
July 27th, 2002, 6:56 pm
Of course, Voldemort will not be the last because our official Dark Lord will still be with us!:rasp:

Divi
July 28th, 2002, 3:38 pm
I think evil will definately continue. It just depends on if it's written about or not. Unfortunately, there has to be evil in the world to show people a proper definition if good, ie. they define each other. (This is getting reminiscent of another 'story'...) The books are just about defeating the evil at hand, but that doesn't mean that all people will change. There will probably still be followers of some kind, in the same way that Voldemort picked up his evil habits from learning about the past. I don't think the others will be written about as much though, because the main struggle has already presented itself.

Tarawyn
August 1st, 2002, 1:08 am
As everyone has taken the words out of my mouth, as people seem to do: history tends to repeat itself. As long as there is evil and as long as there are people who wish for power in the world, there will be the threat of a dark lord. However, as it has been pointed out, there can be large gaps of time in between.

And Voldemort may never be defeated. We have to wait and see.

The Forsaken
August 2nd, 2002, 12:39 am
If a Dark Lord is an evil wizard with followers there will alaways be Dark Lords. Just as Voldemort does so can any other who can tempt with power. As Moiraine, in WoT, states people will always be willing to open their hearts to "the Heart of the Dark." a Dark Lord will promise followers wealth or immortality or whatever they want. Since we've never seen a Dark lord win we don't know if they make good on their promises.

HarryPotterFan01
August 2nd, 2002, 2:26 am
I think that there will be a "Golden Age" which will last through Harry's time and beyond. However, after that I think there will be more dark wizards.

xoxo, Sabrina

Dobby and Winky
August 2nd, 2002, 3:22 am
There already is another Dark Lord. His name is Matt, but he goes by the alias Morgoth.

Yeah, I definitely think there will be more Dark Lords. Maybe not in Harry's time, but definitely sometime. I mean, a schoolboy beating one Dark Lord isn't going to prevent Dark Lords for generations, is it?

Ronman
October 29th, 2002, 9:47 am
Last in the series but not last in world

Sinistra
October 29th, 2002, 3:15 pm
Of course there will be other dark witches, wizards and Dark Lords.

Voldemort's "crime" seems to be the attainment of immortality by any means. The next person might try evil differently, like controlling people, or mutating plants and/or animals into weird servants, or causing evil ghosts to become material for a great price, or trying to corner all the money in the world, or turning all the muggles into slaves or fomenting another Goblin rebellion or ...................

There are many ways to become evil, and many of those things can accidently come from good. Look at how many poisons have been turned into medicines. Anyhow, people are curious and constantly trying new things and some people just are more curious than moral and/or ethical. Or greed takes over. Or whatever.

It may take a few years, even a generation or two, but another Great Dary Lord or wizard or whatever will arise and those new people will have to take up the good fight again. It's part of the human (and wizarding) condition.

Ezra Pippen
October 29th, 2002, 7:50 pm
I think the wizarding society will learn to eventually deal with this dark period better than the last period of Voldemort's reign, and will not be so willing to adopt 'ignorance is bliss' attitudes as before. I believe this will pay off as a period of peace and of very significant changes in wizarding society. But yes, there will always be someone who is willing to go too far for power of any sort (Crouch Sr.), and people who are willing to follow leaders who make tempting promisses(why do people vote after all). And some will be willing to follow leaders who make tempting promisses whose means are ruthless and evil.

Qeomash
October 29th, 2002, 10:31 pm
Voldemort will not be the last. I do think, however, he is the last of the Slytherin line. There will always be evil in the world, but there will probably be a long peace (as stated by several) after Voldemort's downfall.

In the Lord of the Rings, after Sauron's downfall, there were hundreds of years before any worry of a war. However, even Gandalf had said (somewhere in Return of the King) that Sauron would not be the last Dark Lord. Same goes for Voldemort.

Puffskein
November 11th, 2002, 5:58 pm
Realistically speaking, there will be more evil people. Still, I hope we'll get some closure at the end of the series by seeing Voldemort defeated for good. I hope that the experience will unite the wizarding community and stop wizards judging each other by differences in blood etc, so they can stop more Dark Lords rising to power. It may sound mushy but JKR talks about tolerance as a theme quite often.

daniel4hp
November 12th, 2002, 1:49 am
I think it depends on how the series ends. Something may happen at the end that will somehow put an end to evil in the wizarding world, but quite likely he will merely kill Voldemort and put an end to evil for a time. Howerver, I have a feeling that something big is going to happen at the end--something we don't expect. I don't think that Harry will kill Voldemort, maybe getting killed in the process and maybe not, and then life will go on. I think that something very big and unexpected will happen and that this might have something to do with this question.

Qeomash
November 12th, 2002, 2:48 am
Evil can never be rooted out, no matter how hard people try. There is always atleast one twisted mind out there in the world.

Voldemort will NOT be the last of his kind. Last for a long while? Yes.

Sinistra
November 12th, 2002, 3:40 pm
Voldemort may be defeated and killed, but a new, greater eviller and darker Lord is waiting in the wings ------------- Seamus Finnegan!!!!!! :rasp: :D

All those explosions addled his brains and he becomes irretreviably evil and eventually ends up ruling the whole world, Bwaahahahahahaha! :p :evil: :rotfl: ;D

Fuchsia
November 12th, 2002, 8:36 pm
Harry live the rest of his days in peace but there will be others.
So I'm seconding what Qeomash said.

Maybe a boy who enjoys DADA a little too much might be the next one.
"Whoops my wand messed up I didn't mean to curse the teacher."

Elensil
November 14th, 2002, 8:34 pm
There will be no Last Dark Lord!

Evil is immortal as it is a part of this world, just as Good is a part as well. It is just a polarity of energy and would exist as long as the world exists. Thus there would always be someone who would be A Dark Lord.
Good and Evil, Chaos and Order, Yin and Yang will always coexist.

On the other hand good and evil are only a relative concepts. Are cats evil? We love them, mice think they are demons. Humans are evil parasites from Earth's perspective:)

hunting4harry
January 7th, 2003, 10:23 pm
the point i am referring to is when mr malfoy attempts to "curse/kill" harry at the end of the HP & CoS movie. there has been some speculation that dumbledore may be killed off (of which i don't wholeheartedly agree). if so, perhaps HP might encounter the "heir" of voldemort. a little out of left field, but any comments?

Jonah
January 7th, 2003, 11:13 pm
Mm, I don't think any of the Malfoys are heirs... It seems to me that they pride theirself to much on being that, when they're probably not even close. It's understandable, given the way they are and who they are but... I don't know, I still have this feeling that they... make themself look more important than they really are... =/

Qeomash
January 7th, 2003, 11:43 pm
This could be in the Common Room...

If you mean that, sometime down the road, after Voldemort has been vanquished, Mr. Malfoy takes up the reigns and trys to take the world? I seriously doubt it. Mr. Malfoy has seemed like a follower to me when it comes to world domination.

And, almost killing someone with "Avada Kedavra" doesn't denote you to be an Heir of Voldemort. Mr. Malfoy has been doing that for years on Muggles.

Manyasha
January 7th, 2003, 11:54 pm
Maybe The Great Hall is a better place for this thread.:??:

Yes, I agree with Qeomash. Every Death Eater has used these famous three curses, including Avada Kedavra. It doesn't mean that all of them were Slytherin's heirs.

GryffndorBeater
January 8th, 2003, 1:12 am
Yeah, I'll move this to The Great Hall.

hpangel102
January 8th, 2003, 1:39 am
I don't think Malfoy would become the next Voldie, he may be close to it, but it won't happen.

Bilbo
January 8th, 2003, 1:54 am
Mr. Malfoy seems the type...however, after Voldemort is killed (if he is) there will be no more dark wizards.

Inkwolf
January 8th, 2003, 2:54 am
I don't think Lucius Malfoy has it in him to lead--I think he needs a strong leader to follow. Like his son, he grew up rich and spoiled and expecting things to be handed to him. When Voldemort fell the first time, you didn't see him make any bid to take over--you saw him whine that the Imperious curse made him do everything, and then suck up like crazy to the new government.

jodiekins
January 8th, 2003, 3:12 am
Originally posted by Bilbo
Mr. Malfoy seems the type...however, after Voldemort is killed (if he is) there will be no more dark wizards.

Whoa, where'd you get the idea that if V is killed, there'll be no more Dark wizards? there won't be anymore in the series (in my opinion, because they'd have to be killed off quick, or have a cliffhanger ending) Just like in the past, dark wizards had been vanquished (ie Grindelwald) bbut new ones came

Bilbo
January 8th, 2003, 3:17 am
Well there will be no more for us to read about, which is the same as no more dark wizards.

jodiekins
January 8th, 2003, 3:24 am
We didn't read about previous wizards, so why future ones? the series isn't never ending, so I beleive its just one boys life (one boys very eventful life, mind you)
Anyways, on topic, Mr Malfoy got mad at Harry for losing his elf, who did all his chores. He also loses his job, i think he has good reason to be mad at Harry. I doubt he's the heir of voldemort, who would have had tom's children?

Ashkins
January 8th, 2003, 3:34 am
I don't think he is so much mad at Harry for Dobby... but mad that his plan didn't work with Ginny and the diary. And that Harry out witted him.

And when they are in the cemetary when Harry would not say what Voldemort was ordering him to all the laughing stopped. As if it was the first time they had all witnessed Harry's power.

Harry is both smarter and stronger than Lucious could ever be. Harry still has years of learning too.

rotsiepots
January 8th, 2003, 4:16 am
I think Lucius Malfoy's utterance of "avada" in "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets" is an example of the filmmakers becoming overly zealous with the concepts and themes within the Harry Potter series. The notion of Lucius Malfoy casting an Unforgiveable Curse at Hogwarts in the near vicinity of Albus Dumbledore strikes me as absurd at best.

If you're going to speculate about any sort of Lucius/Voldemort connection (I believe there isn't one for the same reasons Inkwolf stated) try to disregard the film; it's just moving fan-art after all. ;)

Rowena Ravenclaw
January 8th, 2003, 4:36 am
If Malfoy had it in him to be the next Voldemort, I'd think he'd have made his move after Voldemort was defeated the first time. Instead, he retreated back to the boundaries of respectable society and watched as the Death Eaters fell apart.

Oddfellow
January 8th, 2003, 5:56 am
While I believe that he is more of a follower than a leader, I wouldn't doubt Him "taking the reins" if Voldemort shoud fail or weaken this time. It would make a good final confrontation.
***Thinks of a good final confrontation for a fanfic***
Now I have a headache.

Liars Prosper.
-anonymous

Weatherby
January 8th, 2003, 7:26 am
There must have been something holding Malfoy back from taking over when Voldemort fell last time.
Either he doesn't have the power or perhaps having a 1 year old son was too much of a risk?

Mr. Granger
January 8th, 2003, 1:09 pm
Malfoy is a decent student at best and Tom Riddle was acording to DD the most brilliant student Hogwarts has ever seen.
There is a bug difference between the little wannabe brat and the great powerful dark lord, one of the most powerful dark wizards of all time who has even defeated death.

Myrddin
January 8th, 2003, 1:59 pm
Originally posted by Ashkins
He was mad that his plan didn't work with Ginny and the diary. And that Harry out witted him.

Good point. The question that no one's asked about the diary is why Malfoy Snr tried in the first place? Moreover, how did it come into his possesion?

Was he hoping to curry favour with Voldermort by killing Harry ('My Lord, I give you......Harry Potter')? If so, it implies that Malfoy Snr knew something about Lord Voldermort's whereabouts during the CoS. Although had he done this Voldermort probably would have been mad as he needed Harry's blood in the GoF.

Malfoy was in Slytherin and I don't think he does anything unless it's for his own personal gain, so I don't think the reason for the diary was 'personal' (read revenge purposes) as such.

We don't actually know all that much about the Malfoys, we know they're wealthy bullies leaning towards the dark, but we don't know how they fit into the history of the 'Potter-verse' as such. Who did they betray/ally themselves with and who did they hurt to get where they are. Any guesses?

Back on topic: Malfoy has many Slytherin traits and enjoys(ed) positions of authority so what held him back from filling LV's shoes? Most probably a lack of genuine talent. Maybe there's something else to it, maybe not.

Afterthought: Maybe Malfoy Snr (all mouth no substance) was one of those Death Eaters who bought into the scheme without actually realising what they were letting themselves in for and now regrets it. [e.g. Draco] Maybe he was mightily relieved when LV disappeared and tried to get on with things were he could be the biggest bully in the playground. Now LV's back he has a family to take care of, and if he hadn't answered LV's summons...... All that said, why does he keep all the dark stuff at his manor, as a momento?

SiriusBlack
January 8th, 2003, 2:24 pm
I think he was hoping for Voldemort to come back. What bad would happen to him anyways. All he had to do was place the diary into the cauldron. And leave the rest in the hands of Tom Riddle to do. Tom Riddle would then find Voldemort and pour out his soul to him. Then , since Riddle isn't an idiot like Quirrel, he would have become very powerful.

Inkwolf
January 8th, 2003, 4:03 pm
Originally posted by Myrddin
Good point. The question that no one's asked about the diary is why Malfoy Snr tried in the first place? Moreover, how did it come into his possesion?

I assume he kept the diary after Voldemort died, either as a souvenir, or more likely because he felt he could get some use out of it some day.

I think he did it for the reason Dumbledore states in CoS: He meant to discredit the Weaselys by making it look like Ginny was guilty, thus stopping the Muggle Protection Act from going through.

I don't know if Lucius would have realized that it might bring back Voldemort...on the other hand, he might have thought that a young, inexperienced Voldemort might be very useful to him....

Myrddin
January 8th, 2003, 4:08 pm
Originally posted by Inkwolf
I think he did it for the reason Dumbledore states in CoS: He meant to discredit the Weaselys by making it look like Ginny was guilty, thus stopping the Muggle Protection Act from going through.


Good one, I haven't got my copy of CoS with me, d'oh!

Not quite sure about how he acquired the diary though.

*Imagines Malfoy relieving post backfired curse Voldermort of his possesions.*

Inkwolf
January 8th, 2003, 4:21 pm
Originally posted by Myrddin

*Imagines Malfoy relieving post backfired curse Voldermort of his possesions.*

I remember flipping through a book about Elvis fanaticism....there was an acount by one guy who broke into Elvis's hotel room with his girlfriend, and ate some of the leftover bacon on the dirty plate so he could tell people he ate breakfast with Elvis....

I'm sure that after Voldie fell, his fanatical followers took everything they could get their hands on, for keepsakes or to preserve them for his return. The Lestranges probably preserve his dark-lordly underwear someplace...

And others, like the slippery Lucius, probably laid hands on anything they thought would be useful or valuable. ;)

Justin Etre
March 4th, 2003, 1:21 pm
Didn't somebody somewhere in one of the books say that he was the wost wizard/dark lord for a hundred years. I think it was Hagrid when he was talking to Harry before he started at Hogwarts, when he was telling Harry about his past.

jordmundt6
April 16th, 2003, 2:52 pm
I don't know that we should necessarily fixate on the "hundred years" bit. There are some who consider Voldie the worst of the worst I get the impression that there hasn't ever been one whose name wizards everywhere fear to speak.

I think that Dark Lord has to imply something more than a powerful Dark Wizard with followers. If that were true there would have been hundreds of them. This seems to be a special title that Voldemort has carved out for himself, signifying his mastery of the Dark Arts and the terror he inspires in those who would stand against him.

I think he's definitely last of the Slytherin line. He wants personal immortality, having a child would only create a new rival for him. If JK hadn't said in a Scholastic interview that Harry would not be tempted to the Dark Side, I would suggest that Harry himself might be so maddened by grief, horror, and rage at what he's seen and experienced by the time he defeats Voldemort that he might be a candidate for Dark Lord status himself (he'd go into too many battles, and one day he'd come out like Barty Crouch Sr.).

There will definitely be a Dark Lord after Voldemort. There's some interesting theories about Draco, but Draco's best in a role like his father has, not the complete leadership role.

Sinistra
April 16th, 2003, 3:50 pm
Well, if you consider a Dark Lord, one who wizards everywhere are afraid to speak his (why not her?) name, then Voldemort may be the first possible. We are now in the age of global communication, and if wizarding life mirrors muggle-or vice-versa, then worldwide nearly instantaneous communications have just been around for a century or so. So a Dark Lord could be a big baddie in a regional way, but not global or even coutinent-wide.

Alternatively wizards everywhere have been able to instantaneously communicate forever and I'm all wet.

There's certainly going to be another Dark Lord smeday, but probably not for a couple decades or so. Draco is a bit ahead of the timeline, but maybe his son or grandson????????? Can you say generational hatred and resentment?

Myrddin
April 16th, 2003, 4:22 pm
I think Harry's important because he's going to put an end to Lord Voldermort's kind. I believe that he is going to do something quite spectacular that will prevent any future Dark Lords ever acquiring power. I think that the role we've carved out for him as the principal agent in Lord Voldemort's downfall sells him short in some way. He's going to do something akin to destroying the One Ring (sorry for the LOTR comparison), something that has that level of repercussions. (Again sorry for the LOTR) Direct involment (such as Isuldur's say) would in Lord Voldemort's case probably be insufficient.

Auri DeMeer
April 16th, 2003, 5:59 pm
I see two questions here:
* Will there be other Dark Lords in the wizard society? Of course! There will be always Evil, the same as there will be always Good. Harry won't defeat the Evil "forever".

* Will we know about another Dark Lord after Voldemort? I don't think so, because JR said she was not writing more about Harry after his 7th year. So it will be time for fics. I admit I wrote one myself where Voldemort in his last night on earth sort of "cloned" a zygot (?) and transferred his powers to it (the same as he did to Harry). You know, I can't live without crazy theories...:wacky:

Frodo
April 16th, 2003, 9:13 pm
I think that there will be more Dark Lords but none will be as strong.

But who knows?





PS: I'm a newbie and this is my first post. Just thought I'd say that.

Earendil
April 16th, 2003, 9:18 pm
:welcome: Frodo of the Shire, one who has seen the EYE!!

Oops, sorry. That sort of slipped out there. :sorry:

Anyway, I see Myrddin made a LOTR reference up there that I kind of thought about too. I think that the ending of the HP series will be similar to LOTR in that we won't really know what happens after in terms of the wizard world...I know we'll have closure, of course, but I think that the way it will end won't leave room for future Dark Lord possibilities.

Just my thought though.

Filius Flitwick
April 16th, 2003, 9:21 pm
Just as there was Salazar Slytherin in the past and Lord Voldemort in the present, there will be another evil in the future. As it was already said, evil will always exist as long as good exists. Also, we will never know about it because I don't see Rowling writing anything past book 7. Who knows, maybe her daughter will pick up the pen later in life and my be guided by her mother.

Barbara Kennedy
April 16th, 2003, 10:54 pm
Evil does not necessarily follow in a family line. It can seem to sprout from the very ground. Just as many here have said, evil will be around as long as there is also good in the world. They define each other. Human [and wizardkind] nature includes free will. We are defined by the decisions we make. Not everyone will make the right decisions.....

Weatherby
April 17th, 2003, 8:12 am
Well said Barbara. :)

There will be another wizard to sprout up in Voldemort's place. Voldemort wasn't the first dark wizard and most of their problems did not start with him. I doubt they will end with him either.

Barbara Kennedy
April 17th, 2003, 9:56 pm
Somehow, I don't think it will be Voldemort's heir though. [see threads "Voldemort's Weakness" & "Voldemort's Heir"]

jordmundt6
April 18th, 2003, 6:10 am
I guess that depends on the definition of heir, doesn't it? If Heir is supposed to mean his physical descendant, then probably not. If Heir meains the next to carry Voldemort's mantle of power and be taught by him, that might work.

Barbara Kennedy
April 19th, 2003, 7:28 am
Right, and we can hope, in the same vein, that Harry's heir or Dumbledore's will be there to counter her [or him].

jordmundt6
April 19th, 2003, 10:00 am
If it's either of them, it'll be Harry's heir. Dumbledore has no children of his own and he won't live long enough to have any if he survives this entire ordeal. But who would Harry take as a help-mate and live out years of peace and rebuilding with?

Hpmons
April 19th, 2003, 10:07 am
I doubt Voldermort will be the lest Dark Lord. But he will stop the fear of the current generation, and his defeat will make the people strnger. He will, however, be the most powerful for a long time afterward. He has followers from all around Europe, probably the world, and he has achieved something close to immortality. His final downfall will be famous, and there will not be another Dark Lord like him for centuries.

However, future Dark Lords are not revelant in the Harry Potter books, becuase it will be too far in the future. Unless, Voldermort dies in the 5/6 book, and someone appears to take his pace as a dark wizard. But I doubt it.

jordmundt6
April 19th, 2003, 10:14 am
I would hope that we're witnessing the birth pains of a Golden Age. The way this is being written as a chronicle, we might be. But I still have serious doubts. Also, "what price, freedom?" Who will they lose over the next three years?

Aranel
April 19th, 2003, 10:34 am
Originally posted by Filius Flitwick (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=269893#post269893))
Just as there was Salazar Slytherin in the past and Lord Voldemort in the present, there will be another evil in the future. As it was already said, evil will always exist as long as good exists. Also, we will never know about it because I don't see Rowling writing anything past book 7. Who knows, maybe her daughter will pick up the pen later in life and my be guided by her mother.


:D :D Sort of like Christopher Tolkien!
:whistle: Sorry.... won't make any more LotR references....

lanifiel
April 19th, 2003, 10:35 am
Harry will be the next Dark Lord...

Aranel
April 19th, 2003, 10:38 am
:rotfl: Every one will fear He-With-The-Lightning-Bolt-Scar
:whistle: sorry...

Hpmons
April 19th, 2003, 10:40 am
I think JKR has already said in an interview that Harry will never go over to the Dark Side. And, that would kinda ruin it...

"Harry, the one who has defeated the most evil wizard ever known, has now become the new Dark Lord, even worse than Voldermort. He has changed his name to Pera Tor Hryt."

Frodo
June 24th, 2003, 3:00 pm
I highly believe there will be another dark lord, no doubt about it, but I don't think wizards will be afraid to say another wizards name. P.S. ever.

R3mus Lup!n
June 26th, 2003, 8:22 am
Originally posted by Kneazle (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=264#post264))
There will always be someone else. I do think that after Voldemort's downfall (trusting that he is conquered) there will be a very long period of peace. I also doubt anyone else will ever compare to Voldemort, and that all other rising Dark Lords will be crushed more easily and much faster.


Yep.There will probably be a very long peroid of peace.Voldemort is suppose to be the strongest dark lord yet.Probably much stronger and harder to bring down than other dark lords.And the defeat of voldemort will probably leave many dark wizards scared and they wouldn't dare to try anything.

vickygirl4
June 27th, 2003, 11:08 pm
I think it's an endless cycle: first Slytherin, then Grindelwald, now Voldemort. He is not the last (but perhaps the worst?)

Loz
November 28th, 2003, 7:29 am
For me, I think the books act as a diversion from and a representation of the real world. This is displayed by the painfully realistic portrayal of the Ministry of Magic. It also shown in part of the school system that we see. Harry Potter is not High Fantasy, it is Realism with Fantasy elements.

Because of this, I believe Voldemort will not be the last Dark Lord.

Life is cyclical in nature, and events occur again and again but in different ways. In history we have seen things happen over the ages in waves. Every time a disease is thwarted, another one comes in its place. Every time a terrible leader is dethroned (beheaded, blown up, or gaoled) another comes. A war here, a war there, a disaster there, a disaster here.

Whilst Voldemort will be stopped (I really can't see JKR going as gruellingly depressing as to have evil win - Hitler was stopped after all), but later, someone with the same aspirations, similar motivations, and the opportunity, will rise to potentially destroy the Wizarding World once more.

Or at least, this is my speculation. I don't think we'll see it in the books. After Voldemort is vanquished I think there will be a long time of rest and peace and that is the note the books will end on.

EvilRaven
November 28th, 2003, 10:30 am
I doubt Voldemort will be the last Dark Lord there ever was. It's just not possible for the entire wizarding world, with people of different characters, beleifs and opinions for it to never be another Dark Lord.

I mean look at our world. History does repeat itself. I mean After Hitler, there were still racial genocides still occuring. No matter how many years of peace there is there will be someone who will stuff it up.

So if Voldemort is defeated there probably be another that follows him whether it be 10 or 20 years later.

GryffindorSeeker
November 28th, 2003, 7:49 pm
No, I don't think that Voldmeort will be the last Dark Lord. The Dark side will just keep on shoot out more attempts, and you can't wipe all of the Dark Wizards out, and you can't get rid of all of the papers and manuscripts of there's. It's just not possible.

hesdead-dealwithit
November 28th, 2003, 8:11 pm
I think good and evil ebb and flow, in a way, like the tides. you can have a big victory for one side, but inevitably, the other side will come back. or at least evil will come back - it's possible that if Voldemort wins, he will live forever and no one will be able to vanquish him. Either way, evil is something that will always be there - humans are naturally evil - and you cannot readicate it.

Jill
November 28th, 2003, 8:53 pm
That is an interesting question, 'will Voldemort be the last Dark Lord'; I think not. It will be much more difficult if Voldemort fails to secure Hogwarts, for a potential dark lord to emerge somewhat in the future as the dark arts are kept from most students. For there to be a firsts for the dark arts, there needs to be the tools and knowledge to back up that quest for dark magic.

I do though believe that someone with an undeniable passion to study the dark arts will go to any means to achieving that ultimate goal. I think Draco could be such a person as he loves the dark arts and even though not seen by most as a potentially powerful wizard. He could easily aquire the knowledge to become one; even the dark art spells can be used to make someone wiser but normally with any dark magic there is a price to pay. The many transformation that Voldemort had to undergo are an example of such a price. Draco could also go through transformation to gain more knowledge and power, so I can see him in the future as being the Mariearti (sorry for the spelling) and Harry as the Sherlock Holmes.

London_luv89
November 29th, 2003, 4:29 pm
I doubt that Voldemort will be the last dark lord... I mean there has to be others that will come eventually, but maybe in Harry's time (all the books) there won't be....
Besides I think Harry will die, in the attempt of killing voldie, and of course Voldie has to die too... so I don't think he will even know, Neville might die too, who knows...

dirty_harry
June 24th, 2004, 12:36 pm
Who ever said Voldemort was gonna be defeated?:elaugh:

yeah i agree i want lord voldemort to rule the world and kill that potter and his mudblood friend hermione and that ron :evil:


and why isn't Grindelwald(the dak wizard dumbleodre killed) name feared?

Nephel
June 24th, 2004, 1:26 pm
There is a Fan-Fiction story on the web that has Mad-Eye Moody saying:
"Evil never dies, it just gets weaker for a while."

Which I pretty much agree with. Where there is life, there is always going to be Evil.

dirty_harry
June 24th, 2004, 9:32 pm
Long Live Lord Voldemort

SilentEcho
June 25th, 2004, 12:37 am
I think there may be more strong dark wizards after Voldemort, but none will be as powerful as he is. He still has followers, so if he's gone, one of his followers could fill his place.

Sweetie
June 25th, 2004, 4:16 am
He better be...another one would be quite unfortunate ;)

dirty_harry
June 25th, 2004, 9:57 am
there is always going be evil in the world people can't stop that theres always going be hate. the gulf world started over something as stupid as bush lose to saddam in a game of golf

as long as there is people there is always going be evil in the world

salomeya
June 25th, 2004, 10:04 am
i don't think any Dark Lords as powerful as Voldemort will surface but i am sure that some will still try to come into power in the future.. but, for the most part, once [or if] Voldemort is defeated by Harry, Voldemort's followers and the like will settle down. hopefully.

Cruciatus
June 25th, 2004, 1:42 pm
What about Draco Malfoy? I know he is sort of fodder for the good guys (I mean, how many times has he been embarrassed now?), but he is surrounded by very malicious people, namely his parents, and lord knows who Lucius invites over for lunch sometimes (maybe even He Who Must Not Be Named!). So, Draco is being influenced by the evils, and even as a little kid in first year, he didn't seem to have a good bone in his body (has there ever been a sign of him having any innocence, besides his basic fear of things?). If ever books are written about the life of Harry, Ron, Hermione, Draco, etc., after Hogwarts, then making Draco into a fearsome bad guy (even if not necessarily the second coming of Voldemort) would be a great way to continue Harry vs. Draco.

Classical_Wizar
June 25th, 2004, 1:47 pm
People are corrputed, power draws us to do things that we would not. Instead of working hard we would take the easy way so yeah another dark lord would rise but in the Harry Potter world it is unknown when and if it will happen.

Edit:I was just thinking that the next Dark Lord would be Harry's son, I know if that happened I would be laughing on the ground. He just defeated Voldemort and now has to fight his own son. Sort of like a Greek Tragedy.

Nagini04
July 27th, 2004, 9:14 am
There will always be evil in the world. It is one of those never ending battles. After Voldemort, there will be others.
I do, however, think that after Voldemort dies that there will be a "golden era," but that it will be short.

Kimmetje
July 27th, 2004, 9:29 am
There will always be evil in the world.

I like this quote as it is true, the same thing goes for LOTR; after Sauron there'll be a next new bad guy. I think there'll be a new Dark Lord, but that JKR won't write a whole new bookserie as after Voldemot is gone the books end. She'll probably write about Harry's future, but I doubt that there will than be a new Dark Lord where we'll read about.

RemusLupinFan
July 28th, 2004, 12:40 am
There will always be evil in the world.How unfortunately true this is. It's also true that sometimes, even if the evil character is defeated, their evil ideas can still endure even though the person is gone. As far as there being another Dark Lord in HP, I agree with kimmetje that if there is another Dark Lord, we will never read about it because JK isn't going to write any more books. It's possible that sometime in the distant future, long after Harry's time, there could be another evil Lord.

curiousowl
July 28th, 2004, 12:48 am
What about Draco Malfoy? I know he is sort of fodder for the good guys (I mean, how many times has he been embarrassed now?), but he is surrounded by very malicious people, namely his parents, and lord knows who Lucius invites over for lunch sometimes (maybe even He Who Must Not Be Named!). So, Draco is being influenced by the evils, and even as a little kid in first year, he didn't seem to have a good bone in his body (has there ever been a sign of him having any innocence, besides his basic fear of things?). If ever books are written about the life of Harry, Ron, Hermione, Draco, etc., after Hogwarts, then making Draco into a fearsome bad guy (even if not necessarily the second coming of Voldemort) would be a great way to continue Harry vs. Draco.

I'm sorry but the thought of having LV over for lunch is just cracking me up :rotfl: :rotfl:
"Sit up straight and pass the potatoes to the Dark Lord, Draco. And try not to mention that Potter boy again...." :elaugh:

missy_13
July 28th, 2004, 1:02 am
Maybe not as evil as Voldemort himself but yes sadly there will probably be another evil one(malfoy perhaps). and who knows maybe harry potter's son will fight him!

morgiana
August 19th, 2004, 1:10 am
Of course there will be another evil wizard at some point. It may not be right away. It won't be the Malfoys they aren't really evil just power hungry. As long as people are deprived of love and/or abused in some way they will try anything even and especially the dark arts.

PhoenixBlood
September 16th, 2004, 4:50 am
As we all know, so long as there is good in the world, there will be evil, for one cannot live without the other as they serve to balance the system. Thus, after Voldermort is vanquished, his evil will be gone, but evil will still be present.

Right now, Voldemort is the king baddie, THE dark lord of the sith... i mean wizards. Before him was Gindelwald. It makes sense that Gindelwald was THE baddie of the time, in fact he was. After he was defeated by Albus Almighty, evil lurked in the shadows for a few years until Voldemort came around. Now it's Voldemort's time. Once he is vanquished, evil shall lurk in the shadows again. When it comes out of the shadows in a few years, who will it take the form of? In other words, who is the next King Baddie of the Wizarding world?

I'm expecting a lot of replies saying either Draco or Lucius Malfoy, any other ideas?

snakeshark01
September 16th, 2004, 4:56 am
As we all know, so long as there is good in the world, there will be evil, for one cannot live without the other as they serve to balance the system. Thus, after Voldermort is vanquished, his evil will be gone, but evil will still be present.

Right now, Voldemort is the king baddie, THE dark lord of the sith... i mean wizards. Before him was Gindelwald. It makes sense that Gindelwald was THE baddie of the time, in fact he was. After he was defeated by Albus Almighty, evil lurked in the shadows for a few years until Voldemort came around. Now it's Voldemort's time. Once he is vanquished, evil shall lurk in the shadows again. When it comes out of the shadows in a few years, who will it take the form of? In other words, who is the next King Baddie of the Wizarding world?

I'm expecting a lot of replies saying either Draco or Lucius Malfoy, any other ideas?
Well, if we take "Draco Malfoy" and rearrange the letters, we get:

Dr Lamacoofy?

Hmm...I don't think that's very scary.

Classical_Wizar
September 16th, 2004, 5:07 am
I think you might want to look at this thread. Will Voldemort be the last Dark Lord? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=28&highlight=lord%2A)

Mafalda04
September 16th, 2004, 5:10 am
in my theories i have said that i believe that LV will die and Bellatrix will try to finish his work in the war to end all wars and killing all the halfbloods and muggleborns.. yadda yadda yadda... so when he is dead for good.. i think it will be Bella to finish everything else..

Annabelle Black
September 16th, 2004, 5:11 am
I can't see wussy Draco being the next baddie. I think a girl dark lord should next. Pansy Parkinson is "The Dark Lady".
Hmmm... That's a little cheesy.

Marcy
September 16th, 2004, 5:46 am
I can't see wussy Draco being the next baddie. I think a girl dark lord should next. Pansy Parkinson is "The Dark Lady".
Hmmm... That's a little cheesy.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: If so, she will def. need to change her name like V did...

Seriously, the name Pansy is striking fear in Noones hearts :rotfl: :rotfl:

DarkLordNev
September 16th, 2004, 1:00 pm
I say either Harry, Draco, Neville, or someone with some brains.
Harry would be unstoppable.
Draco because he is a git and all will fear the amazing bouncing ferret.
Neville if he grew a back bone and got power. Think of it the to of prophecy fighting it out.
And someone with brains enough to get wizards from other countries to come and help so their army would be larger than that of Old Mr. Riddle.
And that's my three cents.

Picko
September 16th, 2004, 1:56 pm
I think you might want to look at this thread. Will Voldemort be the last Dark Lord? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=28&highlight=lord%2A)

Thanks CW :)

I think we can take the discussion to the thread linked above. Please make sure that in the future you do a quick search to ensure that the topic you wish to discuss isn't already being discussed elsewhere :)

PhoenixBlood01
September 19th, 2004, 4:57 pm
Thanks CW :)

I think we can take the discussion to the thread linked above. Please make sure that in the future you do a quick search to ensure that the topic you wish to discuss isn't already being discussed elsewhere :)

thanks for the link... i always use the search function, but unfortunately it is not configured correctly and i NEVER receive the results i do... someone should look into that

Yes, what exactly do you mean by "Dark Lord"? An evil wizard with followers, or just an evil wizard with power?


forgive me for not reading through 4 pages of posts.....

a dark lord is simply the most powerful evil being in a given "community". it also helps that he names himself Lord so and so.

one does not necessarily need followers to be termed a Dark Lord. One merely needs to be powerful enough and evil enough.

I think it's an endless cycle: first Slytherin, then Grindelwald, now Voldemort. He is not the last (but perhaps the worst?)


Just to clarify, Salazar Slytherin was the "evil prince" over 1000 years ago. i sincerely doubt that between 981 AD and 1945 AD (when Grindlewald was defeated by Dumbles) there were no other dark lords or evil princes, or whatever you like to call them--assuming that Slytherin did not live for 1000 years.

Of course there was Slytherin, Gindelwald, and Voldemort, but most likely there were many others inbetween Slytherin and Grindelwald. So needless to say, one cannot derive a cycle from the original baddie and the two latest ones, you would need to check out most of the others who were around inbetween slytherin and grindy.

And what, praytell, makes Voldemort the worst? How do we know know that Slytherin was not the worst, or that one of the other dark lords after Slytherin wasn't the worst?




As far as Grindelwald's name not being feared... perhaps it is because he was actually defeated. Many people tried to defeat Voldemort, and they all failed, so naturally people fear him, because they think that he is invincible. However, once he is defeated he will no longer be feared. I reckon, yessir, that it's the same with Grindy.

Tane
September 19th, 2004, 5:23 pm
Who knows I would say that there is a possibility and that might rest with Draco because he is young yet and has plenty of time on his side. Perhaps with Draco we are seeing the beginnings of a new dark wizard and therefore new genera after Voldemort. I do feel that Draco is going to get more powerful as time goes on, maybe he could become the sly thief that no one can catch, ruthless and sly as he can be. Draco definitely has the ability to gain followers who will do what every he commands so that shows some power, whether that remains the same now his father has been caught as a death eater remains to see though.

I do think we will see a potential dark wizard in the future; Voldemort will not be the last.

Violet Black
September 19th, 2004, 7:50 pm
There will be another Dark Lord or Dark Lady. Assuming the good side wins, tracking down everyone who ever sympathised with Voldemort will be an arduous and impossible task. I have a feeling the Death Eaters we know about are just the tip of the iceberg. Otherwise, what's the point of waging a war if you're heavily outnumbered from the start? Voldemort knows he has a potential audience out there ripe for the picking. Don't forget - at one stage many were attracted to his ideas until they realised just how far he was prepared to go in furthering the pureblood 'cause.'

If he is killed, he'll be considered a martyr by his surviving followers. You can bet some will survive - think of all the Nazis who hot-footed it to South America after WWII.

There's a danger of post-war events leading to a trend for revisionist history, which in turn might sway public opinion in Voldemort's favour. Many people will emerge from this war bruised, bitter and craving revenge. I see vengeful muggle-borns and halfbloods forming terrorist groups in order to target purebloods and their families - Death Eaters in reverse if you will, who believe ALL purebloods are the scum of the WW and should be exterminated forthwith. Then we'll see a resurgence of 'pureblood pride,' with Voldemort as their symbolic figurehead. Some might pine for the days when Voldemort was around to keep the halfbloods and muggle-borns 'in check.'

In other words - fertile ground for the rise of a new Dark Lord or Dark Lady. What's interesting (and ironic) about this particular scenario is that the new Dark Lord/Lady might actually be responsible for spearheading the ANTI-pureblood movement. Not all purebloods practice the Dark Arts - likewise, not all halfbloods or muggleborns will reject them outright. To suggest otherwise is a gross oversimplification, since the anti-pureblood terrorists at least might find some means of 'justifying' their use.

Another possibility is the emergence of TWO Dark Lords - both representing a different shade of evil, anti-muggle/halfblood versus anti-pureblood, with the good guys somewhere in the middle trying to keep the peace.

It might not happen in Harry's lifetime, or his children's lifetime. But it will happen.

Spirit
September 19th, 2004, 11:36 pm
I think that, in the world of magic, there is a cycle. There's a Dark Lord, and then there's the hero destinied to be the only one who can kill him, and if he fails, no one will ever succeed (Like in Lord of the Rings). Then, after the Dark Lord is killed, things will be peaceful for say, 50, 100, maybe even 150 years, and then another Dark Lord will suffice and another hero will emerge. So yeah, I think that there will be more Dark Lords to come.

Wep
September 20th, 2004, 12:25 am
No I don't think he will be...I doubt there will be someone as powerful as him for a fair time...but I'm sure there will be a few attempts at it. Even if LV is destroyed, the mentality that he created won't be....there's always good and bad in the world, the wizarding world included.

PhoenixBlood01
September 20th, 2004, 12:32 am
No I don't think he will be...I doubt there will be someone as powerful as him for a fair time...but I'm sure there will be a few attempts at it. Even if LV is destroyed, the mentality that he created won't be....there's always good and bad in the world, the wizarding world included.

There can be someone more powerful than Volders. All they need to do is to do the exact same things Volders but PLUS learn from his mistakes, avoid making the wrong decisions, and also improve on what he did.

Wep
September 20th, 2004, 12:44 am
True and I don't deny that at all, but it is going to take alot of time for that to happen. LV wasn't created overnight, his power took many years to grow and develop, and whoever wants to follow LV footsteps will have to take time also if he wants to be more powerful (and evil) than LV

CicadaInvasion
September 20th, 2004, 12:52 am
Efvil is always in the world, and as long as there are dissenters there will always be violent political upheaval. Voldemort is not the first nor the last. I think the next one would be even worse.

Wep
September 20th, 2004, 1:00 am
I'd hate to see what type of person is worse than LV...but unfortunately there is prob someone that would be

PhoenixBlood01
September 20th, 2004, 1:51 am
I'd hate to see what type of person is worse than LV...but unfortunately there is prob someone that would be

The wizard or witch or sorcerer or mage or whatever that is more powerful than Lord VolderTom will be the one who desires absolute power and who in turn targets HalfBloods as well as PureBloods and Muggles. To attack not only the magical, but the nonmagical world as well would take a very large and expansive knowledge of magic, not to mention a great ability to weild it, as well as an army of loyal followers, not just a few DEs. Imagine a wizard so powerful--both in magic and "recruiting"--that he has a literal ARMY of followers so vast in numbers that he could march on London, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, etc.... Kinda like Napoleon, Hitler, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, etc. That would be more evil than VolderTom. Hell, VolderTom would look like a Charms professor compared to this guy. This guy would do what VolderTom has never thought of (as far as we know): complete domination of the planet Earth.

Paul
September 20th, 2004, 2:56 am
I think that as long as time goes on there will always be evil leaders that rise up against there land only to be defeated by the good of the land.

PhoenixBlood01
September 20th, 2004, 3:18 am
I think that as long as time goes on there will always be evil leaders that rise up against there land only to be defeated by the good of the land.

Given that my thread about "Who will be the next dark lord?" was deleted without an explanation, I would like to pose this question to this thread.

Who do you think will be the next Evil Wizard or Witch? I reckon that no one will rise up right away after VolderTom is vanquished, but down the road there will be another, but who do you think it will be? Someone we know and have met already or someone we have yet to meet, or is yet to be born?

hufflepina
September 20th, 2004, 3:22 am
for me the next dark lord could be ginny weasley she is a powerful witch

crumseekerlynch
September 20th, 2004, 3:34 am
There will always be dark witches or wizards, but by getting rid of Voldemort he would be getting rid of one of the worst of them. It's like there always being a criminal but he's getting rid of a Hitler.

Wep
September 20th, 2004, 7:44 am
for me the next dark lord could be ginny weasley she is a powerful witch

Are you serious or? Yeah Ginny might be a powerful witch, but just b/c you are powerful or strong, doesn't mean you are evil...look at DD.

ComicBookWorm
September 20th, 2004, 9:09 am
There will always be evil people. But since these stories only go through Harry's days at Hogwarts, we'll never know who they are. Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald, but then Voldemort came along. Now there have been some intriguing suggestions that Slytherin's evil essence became Grindelwald and then Voldemort. And some of the timing is interesting since Voldemort went out on his own around the same time that Grindelwald was defeated, but those could turn out to be coincidences.

As for Ginny being evil. :huh: Powerful doesn't mean evil, it just means powerful. Harry is powerful, Dumbledore is powerful. It's your choices far more than your abilities that show who you truly are.

Dumbledore has seen at least two evil wizards in the last 50 years, I'm sure there will be more in the future. :sad:

Professor Moody
September 20th, 2004, 9:45 am
Yes, thereīs a lot more from where LV came from... Seriously, you canīt destroy evil without destroying good att the same time. "If it was Christmas Day every day, you wouldnīt be looking forward to it..." This means there will be more of the dark lords, and each of them will be getting worse, as they tend to strive towards being "the worst". JKR will probably not write about them though.

Violet Black
September 20th, 2004, 11:53 am
This guy would do what VolderTom has never thought of (as far as we know): complete domination of the planet Earth.

Voldemort more than likely does have his sights set on eventual world domination. This guy hates ALL muggles and muggleborn wizards/witches - he's not going to be satisfied with slaughtering just the British/European ones. It would take a while, seeing as he'd need to get most of the wizarding world under his sway before launching a full-scale assault on the muggle world, but I have no doubt that's what he wants in the long term.

MadMagic
September 20th, 2004, 8:37 pm
He'll be the last Dark Lord in the Harry Potter world that we hear of.
But undoubtably there will be another Dark Lord eventually. Evil always emerges, no matter how much people may try to oppress it, and I don't think the Wizarding World is any different. It's the naturaly balance of things, you can't have good without also having evil, unfortunately.

SquibOnline
September 20th, 2004, 9:37 pm
Doubt it

shandana
December 25th, 2004, 9:29 am
Evil can never finish off. So there has to be some dark lord left behind after Voldemort. Since JKR is only going to write these books till Harry's seventh year so we may not find any new dark lord (incase Harry conquers Voldemort) in these books.

asrivathsan
December 25th, 2004, 9:33 am
well if jo decides to write more books , i (looking hopefully) think there will be more!

haha
December 25th, 2004, 9:53 am
I remember that in DD chocolate cards it mentioned that he had defeated a dark lord so it's obvious that there will be more but i don't think there will be another one in Harry's time, well not one as evil as LV, anyway.

Byrum
December 25th, 2004, 10:10 am
There has to be, but I don't think JKR will go on writing about them. The interesting thing would be whether there was anyone like Harry before, like anyone who survived an Avada Kevrada (sp?). I think that there must be since Dumbledore knew of the magic that saved him, but yet Voldemort was at some stage immortal and there is only two other immortal people ever mentioned in HP and they are dead (irony?). But anyway back to my point I think every dark lord and their 'arch nemesis', Grindewald - Dumbledore, Voldemort - Harry/Dumbledore, contributes something to each others side, like Voldemorts path helped a new generation of dark wizards down the road to invulnerability as immortality was his 'thing', and the next dark lord will do something different, like invent some kind of fire breathing fish with which he/she can rule the world ;). The same goes for the good side, Dumbledore found ways, or rediscovered ways, to protect people by using love (sacrificial love in this case).

tarachristwen
December 25th, 2004, 10:55 am
nah.i don't think so.those who have watched or read lord of the rings would know that before sauron there is morgoth,sauron's master.after his destruction by the valar, sauron is the one who continued his evil works.likewise,lord voldy's evil works can be continued by any of his followers.
there will always be a cycle of good and evil.

:evil:

Jordan
December 25th, 2004, 10:57 am
I hope so!!!

aggiefan1206
December 25th, 2004, 5:57 pm
Well im not sure but those two lines that harry heard will running in the DoM could indicate that in a way. As far as the last i would say not but as far as the things he has done i dont see anyone being worse. I dont think anyone will have that much hate in them. I think that once Voldemort meets his downfall that even if there are other evil wizards none will create the terror of voldemorts reign. Im sure that the wizard world will be much more peaceful.

stepha_hpfan
December 25th, 2004, 6:26 pm
I think that this is no possible :huh:... After Voldemort`s fall a lot of Dark Wizards would like to take his place for example: Draco!!!!

MrsRiddle
December 25th, 2004, 6:36 pm
Yup he will be the last :)

Byrum
December 26th, 2004, 1:05 am
I think that this is no possible :huh:... After Voldemort`s fall a lot of Dark Wizards would like to take his place for example: Draco!!!!
Hahaha, I think by the end of the books even Neville will be more powerful than Draco. If there was to be any other Dark lord I don't think it will be a death eater or any of their immediate family. Possibly Draco's children if they are powerful enough. I don't think a death eater would take Voldemort's place because death eaters would be a) too attached to Voldemort and they wouldn't dare try and take the place of the one that they worship e.g Bellatrix, or b) they are like Lucious Malfoy and wouldn't want to do things openly but discreetly, but now that everyone knows he was a death eater he might try and become the next Dark Lord but I still think he prefers to work in the shadows than at the forefront. Besides if Dumbledore or Harry are still alive at the end of the series then noone is going to take either of them on, being the only ones that Voldemort ever feared would be enough to keep the next Dark Lord a few generations away. But I still think that there would have been one eventually, if JKR ever chose to write about one. Interesting Fan fic though.

chupachup07
December 26th, 2004, 1:54 am
Voldemort may be the last dark lord of Harry's time, but I doubt that he would be the last dark lord forever. That's just too much to hope for. After all, the world needs some type of conflict.

Alfonzo
December 26th, 2004, 2:48 pm
He'll be the last Dark Lord in the Harry Potter world that we hear of.
But undoubtably there will be another Dark Lord eventually. Evil always emerges, no matter how much people may try to oppress it, and I don't think the Wizarding World is any different. It's the naturaly balance of things, you can't have good without also having evil, unfortunately.
Indeed :agree:. Voldemort won't be the last Dark Lord to surface, but Harry and his trusty friends will always be ready to fight for justice :D.

Arwen42
December 26th, 2004, 3:08 pm
Even though the books makes you think that this will be the last evil if defeated, I think there will always exist. Probably Voldemort will be the last evil wizard in Harry's time, but I think there will always be wizards as ambitious and evil who will turn out like him in the future. And I also think that history can repeat itself, so I'm saying that even though in the books it appears that Voldemort is the last Dark Lord, I bet there will always be a little wizard who will become like him in the future.

kallie
December 26th, 2004, 4:05 pm
No, don't think that Voldemort will be the last Dark Lord - I just don't know that the next one will be as powerful. For there to be balance there must be good and evil so to say there will not be another isn't possible.

Krumpet
January 8th, 2005, 8:03 am
Unless Jo writes a sequel to the HP books Voldemort will be the last dark lord literally. However if we assume that the word of Harry Potter continues even after the books end (as it always will in my mind) then I think it is doubtful that Voldemort is going to be the last Dark Lord.

In book Voldemort is not only referred to as the Dark Lord, but his group is referred to as the "Dark Order" (I love that we have the "Dark Order" paralleled to the "Order of the Phoenix") The name "Dark Order" implies that it is more then just a following for one man, for instance if Dumbledore dies (:sad:) the Order of the Phoenix will continue, albeit be very wounded. But the fact that it is an "Order" seems to imply that they are a group in search of a common goal (power and immortality), not just a bunch of cult members.

I think every generation or so will have some kind of "Dark Lord" or "Dark Wizard" because simply put there are to many people that love power and would do anything to get it.

bradford
January 8th, 2005, 8:27 am
I think the world is frought with evil...it always seems that after one terrible evil mess is dealt with....another pops up eventually to replace it...not only in the wizard world but the muggle world too....I know that is a depressing and somewhat pessimistic thing to say but I'm in a bad mood after watching the news grrr

phrodo
January 8th, 2005, 8:31 am
I wonder if in the future, recognizing it's danger, (post voldemort) the magical world will decide to give up magic and gradually blend in with muggles, or if magic will become so much more heavily regulated/restricted to zonko joke shops and domestic uses that nobody would be able to acquire that much power. . . for a long time. Who knows?

I tend to think of harry/voldemort as one manifestation of an ongoing battle between good/evil God/Satan or light/darkness throughout history. Gryffindor/slytherin being another part of this.

she clearly has a somewhat biblical worldview, and this would fit in well with the struggle between the radiant woman and the dragon in the book of Revelation. Food for thought.

runitsandrew
January 8th, 2005, 8:42 am
I'm sure he's not going to be the LAST dark lord. Probably the last almost-all-powerful dark lord that got as far as Voldie did - but there'll always be people like Death Eaters and the Malfoy's out there even way after the Voldemort Vs. Harry Potter era.

headlessnick
January 8th, 2005, 8:48 am
I think Voldemort will be the last Dark Lord in Harry's time, but their are going to many more Dark Lords in the future, some even powerful then Voldemort.

But the real question that we should ask ourself is "Is there going to be any more Heroes like Harry?"

tarachristwen
March 22nd, 2005, 2:25 am
there'll always be a battle between the good and evil....
never ending cycle till the end of the world......

crystal_joy
March 22nd, 2005, 3:52 am
There will always be an Dark Lord waiting in the wings, and there will always be a hero to fight them - the struggle between good and evil is constant... in our world and in fiction. I know this is fiction, so I don't want to analyze this too much, but honestly, I don't think there can ever be a time of no "evil". The world is perfectly balanced, if there is good there must be evil.

sun
March 22nd, 2005, 3:59 am
doubtfully, evil people don't just sit around going, "hmm, well, voldemort didn't prevail with his evil schemes so i guess i'll give up on my evil ways and go knit something" there will always be bad people (maybe less sucsesful than Voldemort though)

ramones
March 23rd, 2005, 8:08 pm
I agree with most of the posts. I don't think Voldemort will be the last Dark Lord. But I do think that Harry will triumph in the end, and I'm sure that things will be peaceful for sometime. The peace will be longer that the period of time b/w the first and second war, because this time Voldemort will die.
I think that Voldermort will go down in history as one of the most powerful Dark Lords of all time. I don't know if there will be a more powerful DL, but if there will be one, it will be in a somewhat distant future.

Asaf
May 22nd, 2005, 11:02 am
if there is a new dark lord i think jkr will make a new seiries maybe harrys son or something.

HedwigOwl
May 22nd, 2005, 6:17 pm
I think there'll always be another who follows the dark path. Voldemort wasn't the first, and won't be the last -- remember Dumbledore had to vanquish Grindelwald.

Ken45
May 22nd, 2005, 6:25 pm
Sadly, no. There is always someone out there who hungers for power and has an axe to grind that will gain supporters and become a "Dark Lord".

Erroll
May 22nd, 2005, 6:30 pm
There will probably always be Dark Wizards.

Maybe not immediately after Voldemort, but they'll eventually come about.

Woudln't it be funny if Harry became Headmaster and there was this one kid who got a tornado-shaped scar when (bad guy) attacked him when he was a baby and now he's famous......

twinsrule26
May 23rd, 2005, 12:36 am
I feel that yes there will be another dark lord after Voldemort . My reason for feeling this way is that as long as there is positions of power to be had ,there will be people who will want to take that power , whether for good or for evil. So yes there will be more dark lords in the future . :evil: :eyebrows:

WoodenCoyote
May 23rd, 2005, 12:46 am
Of course not. There will always be tyrants and bullies and killers, and each one will be called the wickedest or the darkest or the most evil, until the next one comes along.

HBprincesscaz
May 23rd, 2005, 11:04 am
i wonder what makes you a dark lord- fudge calls V the wiard who styles himself lord, so i think it comes from making people follow you. but there have definately been other dark wizards- slytherin maybe, grindelwald definitely. and i can't see that there won't still be dark wizards in the future- the idea of a golden age of peace seems somewhat hopeful.

synyan
June 28th, 2005, 4:42 pm
he will be the last as far as these 7 books are concerned unless the world ends or something else happens

OddSocks
June 28th, 2005, 6:00 pm
Did you ever hear that there was a war in the early 20th century which a lot of people called "the war to end all wars" or "THE great war." It is the same with this.
I would guess that (in the wizarding world) there were those who would have hoped that Grindewald was the last dark lord, just like there were those who hoped the LV was gone for good.

hotharry
June 28th, 2005, 6:34 pm
Just because Hitler is dead doesn't mean that there aren't going to be other evil dictators. Saddam Hussein killed just as many people and burried them in mass pit graves. I think that like always there will be evil people, but in the end there will always be someone good to counter them. Besides.....History repeats itself. Dumbledore killed off that one witch who was evil, and then Voldermort appeared. I believe that Voldermort will not be the last, but that when he is defeated by Harry, it is only time that Harry has bought them all. A bit of time for peace and no fear. And that bit of time is worth everything Harry is fighting for.

Erroll
June 28th, 2005, 7:07 pm
No, there will be more.

The world is infested with Dark Lords. You'll need some kind of spray to get rid of them all.

And if takes a prophecy, a phoenix feather, an oddly-shaped scar, and a small child to handle each one of them, there will never be a shortage.

Silkeng
June 28th, 2005, 7:28 pm
I think throughout history there has been evil dictators, and those looking to harm others. I think JK has reflected this in her books, giving us not only Voldemort, but Grindewald, and the original Salazar. Although there may be a new dark lord in the future, I do hope that the fate of the world won't be on Harry's shoulders again.

lethally_blonde
June 28th, 2005, 7:30 pm
There will always be bad people in the world and as long as people support them they have the makings of a Dark Lord.

banin
June 28th, 2005, 7:41 pm
he will not be the last but the last we will probley hear of. evil always lurks:evil:

Shadow Phoenix
June 28th, 2005, 7:55 pm
There will be other dark wizards, but not any more that bring on the terror Voldemort brought.

Dragonious
June 28th, 2005, 8:05 pm
I think that until there is no suffering and saddness in this would, there will definately be a Drak Lord of just a Powerful Dark Wizard. This is because they will never have someone to look after them and care for them. I think Dumblefore knew about Riddle but thought it was too late to help him.
I think that the only reason Harry didn't turn to the dark side of magic becasue he had all his friends e.g. Dumbledore, Hagrid, The Weasleys, Hermione Granger and others.

GreenIGoddess
June 28th, 2005, 8:08 pm
I think there will still be evil people, but nothing as powerful as Voldemort. When he disapeared, or failed to kill Harry, almost everyone of his Death Eaters came back to the good side saying they were in a trance or whatever. That shows that they aren't willing to lead. They will only follow a really powerful dark Lord, but won't be one themselves. I think that Slytherins will always be evil, but I don't think there will truly be another Dark Lord after Voldemort.

AnnexRiddle
June 28th, 2005, 8:19 pm
A very good question with many answers to chose from. Voldemort has created such a fantic loyalty in some of his followers that I would not be surprised if one of them, such as Bellatrix, took up the banner of the ant-muggleborns, and continued to wreak havok in the wizarding world.