The DADA Professor in Book Six v2

I think is going to be a new character or maybe someone we already know about but we can't think can get the job, like Dumbledore himself or Mundungus.

It would be great, and some-what plausible that Dumbledore would teach. He realized in OotP his mistake of trying to distance himself from Harry; maybe he'll try to make up for it. I've got my fingers crossed.

Kingsley?

yes i was thinking about him too,wasn't he the one giving false information to the ministry about sirius? now that sirius is dead what would he do?

joining up 2 ideas here: i've heard people say felix felicis would be the new DADA teacher,though i don't really agree

I was first thinking perhaps Arthur Weasley, but then again, it would more likely be someone who isn't afraid of saying Voldemort's name out loud. Whomever it is, they will probably stay through book seven since JK said she wasn't going to introduce any major new characters now that we're near the end of the series.

You all are forgetting something about Sirius.

We don't know whether Dumbledore told Fudge that Sirius is dead. Let's face it- he's going to have a very difficult time proving it! Fudge may be grudgingly convinced that Voldemort is back, but he sure as heck isn't going to let up on searching for Voldemort's number two supporter (in his mind, anyway) until he sees a body. He's already shown there's no way he'll take Dumbledore for his word. So Kingsley will probably have a full-time job searching for the wrong person in the next book- at least as long as Fudge is still in office.

I think it will either be a new character to us but someone Dumbledore knows (maybe Lion-man) or an Order member we already know. I like the Tonks idea but She maybe too busy. Guess we'll just have to wait to find out.

You all are forgetting something about Sirius.

We don't know whether Dumbledore told Fudge that Sirius is dead. Let's face it- he's going to have a very difficult time proving it! Fudge may be grudgingly convinced that Voldemort is back, but he sure as heck isn't going to let up on searching for Voldemort's number two supporter (in his mind, anyway) until he sees a body. He's already shown there's no way he'll take Dumbledore for his word. So Kingsley will probably have a full-time job searching for the wrong person in the next book- at least as long as Fudge is still in office.

I can't find it right now, but I thought something was said by J K that fudge would not be Minister in the final two books?

JKR said that there will be a new Minister in book 6. However, she never said WHEN that minister would be instated. Fudge may last one more book.

I suspect it to either be a new character (possibly the HBP) but if it turns out to be a character we know then I would put my money on Tonks or Shacklebot. Now I know people are saying that they would be too busy being Aurors (saying that they are too busy being members of the Order doesn't work because there are already teachers who are in the Order) however with the war going on it does make sense for the Ministry to assign 1 or 2 Aurors (and probably a host of security trolls) to be stationed at Hogwarts in case it is attacked (which we know is a real possibility even with Dumbledor being there). If Tonks is assigned to Hogwarts there would be no reasons she couldn't teach DADA.

how about the real mad-eye moody? he did agree to teach one year, remember, but since he never got his chance...maybe he'll try again?

or of course, it could be a totally different character that we have never met. *shrugs* i dont think we're going to find out until july 16th.

My apologies, I have not yet read all of the posts (but I will eventually!)

I have a few guesses to who it could be.

Dumbledore - He's obviously a powerful wizard, and I think that he would be very well suited for the job. And now that Voldemort is officially back in action, I think that he might want to make sure that all of the students are well protected.

Snape - Although I'm skeptical about this one...JKR had said that he wasn't going to be put in that position because it wouldn't bring out the best in him. I don't think that situation has changed much, but if it did, who would teach potions. I am certain that he would be fine teaching both, but he would have so many classes to teach! I'm pretty sure that each house has their own DADA class...so that would be 28 classes (7years x 4houses) plus 14 classes of potions, because each house shares it with one other. That's 42 classes every week! That's crazy. Also, because each potions class at least meets more than once a week. So, maybe 56 classes?? Not to mention that some of the potions classes are double periods! That's too much math.

Tonks - The only backup for this is that she's an Auror. And I guess she knows her stuff. One problem could be her clumsiness. I think that I just want to see more of her.

Moody - Technically, this will be a new DADA teacher because the other Moody was Crouch Jr. (I think that whoever they hire, they should make them drink veritaserum like once a week or so and ask who they really are :rotfl: )

Percy - Now, I know this is probably a long shot, but it could be something that he could kind of help the order with and reconcile with his parents while still sticking to the rules. That was a long shot, I know.

That new guy that we read an excerpt about who looked like a lion - I dunno, just because it's a new character, and the DADA teacher usually is new.

What about Fluer she was the main candidate for OoTP. But since then noone has really brought it up. She wanted to teach.

Wouldn't Kingsley Shacklebolt make a good DADA teacher? He was an auror and was in the Order of the Phoenix, so it would be alright by Dumbledore. He led the raid on Sirius (although he made sure he wasn't caught) which would most likely earn the trust of most students parents.

EDIT--Whoops! A couple people posted about Kingsley before me. sorry.

What about Fluer she was the main candidate for OoTP. But since then noone has really brought it up. She wanted to teach.

I suppose that Fleur could teach DADA. The classes would certainly be interesting, with all of the boys drooling! :lol: I don't know how well she was at DADA, though. She was apparantly the best candidate from Beaxbatons as a school champion, but I always thought that out of the 4 champions, she was kind of the worst... She didn't even try to finish the water task, and she shot up sparks relatively soon in the 3rd task. She seemed to me almost too fragil for the Dark Arts, or rather, DADA. That's just my opinion, though.

Could it be Harry?

As good as he is, I don't think Harry has enough knowledge. Besides, he has his own schooling to try to keep up with.

I think Snape will finally get the job.

Harry wouldn't have enough time to teach DADA. He did have the Dumbledore's Army thing, but that was only when it was convenient for him, and it was only a select number of students. He would have like 28 classes to teach if he were the DADA teacher, and that would be really hard because he's still in school.

i think it might be at least a member of the order because then at least Dumbledore could trust them

If any of my ideas are overly repetitive, I apologize, I didn't read through all 14 previous pages. I think there are a few categories or area's that the new DADA teacher will come out of.

My first thought was a new Character named Felix Felicis, HBP's Chapter 16 title. This new character could or could not be linked to the description from her web site "He looked rather like an old lion." I think the DADA teacher has been a new character to us in each book. But this is unlikely as that is a bit too far into the book, the 16th chapter, to be meeting the new DADA teacher. However I do belive that the "lion blurp" is more likely a description of the DADA teacher then the half blood prince, as the DADA teacher is usually,usually,usually, more important to the story then the book title. Quirll was "housing" Voldemort, Ok the chamber was more significant then Lockhart, Sirius and Lupin toss up?, Moddy/Couch JR why more important then the Goblet, and as important as the OOTP is in general Umbridge was more pivital to the story of OOTP.

My next thought was that the DADA teacher would need to be an Auror (present or past). The rationale for this would be the need to train the students well during this dangerous time of Voldemorts return & to some what look for the students and Harry in particular. Of the Auror's Tonks would be me guess as she seems the least competent, and there for the the easiest to "spare". However I do not think the DADA teacher has ever been a character we met in a previous book? If that has been the case up until now, it would seem likely this would continue eliminating Tonks and making Felix and or "the lion description" more likely.

Along the same thought process, another member of the OOTP seems very plausible. As Lupin and Moody were both members, and Moody a past Auror, it would fit a bit into the history of the DADA teacher. It would fit a obvious logical need, good training & protection. But then why was Umbridge allowed last year, ruins the argument. But which OOTP members might be avalible? Diggle Dedalus, Elphias Doge, Hestia Jones, Emmeline Vance, all possible. But more interesting and the books are always that: Aberforth Dumbledore - OOTP, could fit "lion description". Sturgis Podmore - OOTP, released for Azkaban, Dumbledore is always giving people second chances in other peoples eyes (Lupin, Snape, Moody,etc..) or even Caradoc Dearborn - vanished OOTP.

Finally another foil charater ie Qurill, Lockhart, Moody/Couch JR, Umbridge. Considering that 4 out of the 5 DADA teachers have been more harm then help, this seems most likley to me. At this point the foil could be anyone, and hense the fun of the books. Just a long winded thought I wanted to share

Someone clever on these boards noticed this pattern: {and sorry that I do not remember who}

Year 1 = Evil DaDa {Quirrell}
Year 2 = Clueless DaDa {Lockhart}
Year 3 = Competent/Cool DaDa {Lupin}
Year 4 = Evil DaDa {Fake Moody -- Barty Jr.}
Year 5 = Clueless Dada {Umbridge}
Year 6 = Competent/Cool DaDa {???}
Year 7 = Evil DaDa {???}

If year six continues this patern then Snape is out. Competent...yes. Cool NO. He is such a jerk, but he will fit in perferctly for the Year 7 Dada... :evil: That is the year we see Snape go back to the Death Eaters and betray DD.

But who is year six...I love the idea that is the too be discovered Half Blood Prince.

edit: Sorry meant to include one other point. I do not think the DaDa teacher will be DD. He is simply too busy and JKR always pulls him out of the picture so that Harry can meet his issue alone. Otherwise Harry would always be running to DD and that just wouldn't do.

I'm thinking it might be Tonks or Kingsley. It would be someone from the Ministry and Dumbledore would approve of them because of the Order. I think it would make sense. Maybe there will be someone new that Dumbledore comes up with. JK never ceases to suprise us, so you never know!

I wonder if dumbledore will teach it. Mabye this will make sure that all students are "prepared". Although i wonder if snape could teach DADA and Potions, just like in PoA. that would solve the problem of finding a new potions teacher. Keep snape happy and then possibly he might be nicer. Dumbledore has someone he trusts and all is good. however the one thing i think stoppiong this happening is the complexity of it all and the fact that Dumbledore might have stopped trusting snape (especially around Harry) as much as he used to, but he still trusts him significantly!

am I accurate in that the DADA teacher has never been a "known" character in any of the previous books?

Well i suppose that is true except we do know Quirrel and Moody before they are teacher. We know about Umbridge slightly. also we meet Lockhart.

am I accurate in that the DADA teacher has never been a "known" character in any of the previous books?

You would be correct in this. Bring on the fresh meat.

Well i suppose that is true except we do know Quirrel and Moody before they are teacher. We know about Umbridge slightly. also we meet Lockhart.

We know Quirrell? It was the first book...we didn't know anyone. I do not think it counts if Harry meets him before he arrives at school.

As for Mad Eye...I don't remember him being metion but I could be wrong.

Qurill was in the first book, so he no we couldn't have come across him in previous books, I know Lockhart was not in the first book, the question I was hoping to get answered is did we read about LUpin in either of the first two books, Moody in any of the first 3 books, or Umbridge in any of the first 4 books?

thanks

My first thought was a new Character named Felix Felicis, HBP's Chapter 16 title. This new character could or could not be linked to the description from her web site "He looked rather like an old lion." I think the DADA teacher has been a new character to us in each book. But this is unlikely as that is a bit too far into the book, the 16th chapter, to be meeting the new DADA teacher. However I do belive that the "lion blurp" is more likely a description of the DADA teacher then the half blood prince, as the DADA teacher is usually,usually,usually, more important to the story then the book title. Quirll was "housing" Voldemort, Ok the chamber was more significant then Lockhart, Sirius and Lupin toss up?, Moddy/Couch JR why more important then the Goblet, and as important as the OOTP is in general Umbridge was more pivital to the story of OOTP.


There really hasn't been a chapter pattern for the DADA teachers.

SS/PS: Harry meets Quirrell in Chapter 5 ("Diagon Alley"), but Quirrell doesn't have a chapter with his name (the closest would be "The Man with Two Faces", Chapter 17--the last chapter of the book).

CoS: Harry meets Lockhart in Chapter 4 ("At Flourish and Blotts"), and Gilderoy gets his chapter title in Chapter 6 ("Gilderoy Lockhart").

PoA: Harry meets Lupin on the Hogwarts Express in Chapter 5 ("The Dementor"), but Lupin isn't in a title until Chapter 18 ("Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs") and then only by his nickname.

GoF: Harry hears of Mad-eye Moody in Chapter 10 ("Mayhem at the Ministry"), but doesn't meet him until Chapter 13 ("Mad-Eye Moody")--if we count the Crouch, Jr. discrepancy. [The real Moody is not seen until Chapter 35.]

OotP: Harry sees Umbridge at his trial in Chapter 8 ("The Hearing"), and her title chapters are Chapter 12 ("Professor Umbridge") and Chapter 13 ("Detention with Dolores").

So, in three out of five books, the DADA professor's name in a title came before Chapter 16....but that still leaves room for the 'lion man' description to come in a chapter where Harry meets him with the 'Felix Felicis' being the chapter where Harry a)spends some quality time with the new DADA, b)DADA does something unusual, or c)DADA gives Harry detention (there are probably other scenarios).

Now, I am not sold on Chapter 16 being a person, the new DADA, or the 'lion man', but I think all are possibilities. A big part of me doubts that the 'lion man' = Felix Felicis = new DADA teacher, but it could be...

i meant we know moody, umbridge, lockhart and quirrel before they teach but we don't know that they are the teachers.

thanks for the research and answers, Nicloe, with that info it would fit into the new character habit nicely.

thanks for the research and answers, Nicloe, with that info it would fit into the new character habit nicely.
The research part wasn't much, I have the titles printed out! I don't go with those who holler that it is too late in the series to introduce new characters.

For the record, Harry did find out that Lockhart would be the teacher when he met him--Lockhart announced it at the book signing. (The movie failed to do so, but books before movies! ;) ) And Hermione points out that Lupin is the new DADA while on the train...Quirrell was introduced as the DADA teacher by Hagrid in the Leaky Cauldron....So the only two Harry didn't know would be teaching were Moody and Umbridge (another 3/5 scenario).

i think it will be soemone new. I am hoping that Snape will get the job in Harry's 7th year, maybe Voldy finds out that he is a spy in *** 6th so he can now teach dada....

I like Fred Black's idea of Dumbledore teaching DADA. Who better to teach the subject than the super powerful headmaster?

I cant imagine Snape as the DADA teacher in 6th year cause remember what
Dumbledor said in the end of the 5th book about let him teach conclumancy
i dont think he will make the same mistake.


I dont have the english version so i cant write exactly what he said

I'm not sure whether saying 'I'd like Snape to get the job' is the right thing for me to say but that's the gist of how I feel. But at the same time I think that JK will go along with the pattern of the books so far and introduce someone new. I'd still like to see how Snape would handle the job though, I doubt Harry would be pleased - two classes with Snape!

I'd still like to see how Snape would handle the job though, I doubt Harry would be pleased - two classes with Snape!

Actually, there wouldn't be enough hours in the schoolweek (by that I mean during the class times we have seen, Monday - Friday) for one professor to handle two subjects. So, if Snape becomes the DADA, Dumbledore will need to hire a potions teacher.

Some people speculate that Snape will become the DADA and that Harry's new Potions teacher has a NEWT standard that allows Harry to continue taking Potions (so he can still aim for Auror)--not a lot of confidence about Harry's Potions OWL, I guess. :eyebrows:

I really want to see Lupin again as DADA teacher. He IS cool. :huh: Did JK said something about the new DADA teacher?

For myself, I believe it will be Snape in 6th year, for much the same reasons as most give.

1) Snape has a strict "O"-only policy for his N.E.W.T. classes (I don't think he'd restrict this just to his Potions class; he would be even more fanatical about it in DADA.)

2) The only class we are sure that Harry received an "O" for is DADA.

3) Harry must take N.E.W.T.-level Potions to enter Auror training.

When you put these three items together, the easiest way to get them all to work out together is Snape teaching DADA, and a new teacher for Potions.

The Potions teacher being the HBP would be convenient, but not necessary. For example, Dumbledore could teach Potions. He is apparently a good alchemist.

Unlike most posters, I believe that the sixth book, not the seventh, is the most likely time for Snape to become DADA teacher, for the above reasons. IOW, there is a very ordinary, logical reason for him to be the DADA teacher.

Of all the poeple we've met so far, Lupin would be the best choice for teacher. I'm not saying, of course, that he will get the job. The chances seem slim now that he has been exposed as a dark creature. But he is the most qualified person, I think.

I think that the new DADA teacher will be that new character that JK gave us a hint about....chech out this excerpt

"He looked rather like an old lion. There were streaks of grey in his tawney hair and his bushy eyebrows; he had keen yellowish eyes behind a pair of wire rimmed spectacles and a certain rangy, loping grace even though he walked with a slight limp."

I think this excerpt that JK gave us is describing the new DADA teacher....what do you think.

I vote for Dumbledore :)

Maybe, Dumbledore will let Snape teach the Slytherins DADA, and Dumbledore will teach everyone else?

I doubt it though. Dumbledore's going to be busy out there chasing after Voldemort, finding a new place for headquarters for the Order, training Harry up so he can fullfil the prophecy.

Just another day in the life of Albus Dumbledore, my hero :)

Who ever is the new DADA teacher, I just hope that they know what they are doing. To have another Umbridge type teacher would be a catastophy now that Voldemort is back. The students need to be prepared by first hand experience and not a book. Book knowledge will not be as useful for battle against Voldemort and the DE as first hand experience would be. I'm not even sure who I think might be the DADA teacher. There are so many possible people who we know that could be it and so many that we have yet to meet that it could be.

here are my thoughts:

dumbledore-no, he's to busy being headmaster and everything else, he couldn't spend his time teaching

another umbridge like person-no, it would be too repetitive and dumbledore is way to smart to let that happen

someone new-possible, they do get a new teacher ever year and having a past teacher would be repetitive

Lupin-quite possible

snape-maybe....i don't really know, he certainly wants to and now would be a good time for dumbledore to show that he still trusts Snape, but i don't think any of the students would want to learn from him and they really do need to learn with Voldemort returning

one of the Order members, one of the aurors-this is possible, dumpledore might want someone with expirience to teach (like with mad-eye moody in the 4th book) and also keep an eye on the studentssince a lotof things go on beneath dumbledore's radar.

[QUOTE=sun] Lupin-quite possible/QUOTE]

I vote for Lupin - he's awsome. With what is coming up in the wizarding world, the students need a teacher they know and like.

As I have stated earlier in this thread, I have no reason to believe that Lupin will become the next DADA professor. Base reason: his lycanthropy (werewolf) prevents him from his ability to teach. He does not want to risk hurting his students once a month....it is just to risky. He said so himself in PoA.

Edit: Here (http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=1316118&postcount=242) is my post on the subject, I believe it is one of the first few down. Restating it would be superfluous.


Of the Lion Man quote:
My first preception of what to think of the Lion Man quote that JKR gave us was that it was of the Half-Blood Prince. There is a very real possibility of this quote applying to the new DADA teacher. Why not both? Think about it this way: the addition of the Lion Man as the DADA teacher fulfill's JKR's tradition of having a new character introduced in each book. I have never thought of it that way before.

cause he knows the dark arts...and is a graduate...he's been introduced...DD knows him...and he's from the enemy camp and you need to know what the enemy is thinking...plus...he'd come for Hermonie....hehehehehe

good point about Krum, I hadn't thought about that until you mentioned it (in the Krum thread, actually ;)) I think that Dumbledore somewhat took a liking to Krum and thought that he was a good kid (whether he is or not we just don't know :evil:) But if he was heavily schooled in the Dark Arts, then I'm sure that he'd be able to teach people defense of it. He would be like 20 now, I don't think that's too young to teach if someone knows his stuff.

I'm all for the Lion Man being (possibly) the new DADA teacher. He also might equally be the HBP....Who knows....

I'm all for the Lion Man being (possibly) the new DADA teacher. He also might equally be the HBP....Who knows....
He could be both! We have no reason to believe that he isn't.

Hey, not sure if this really fits in this thread but I didnt want to make a new one for such a small question. How do you pronounce McClaggan? I got the Mc part obviously but is the Claggan part 'clog-in' or clay-gen' or is it something different?

I think it would so cool if Tonks got it. i would love to see her mess with Malfoy maybe turn him into a faery or something. :rotfl: I could also see her messing with everyone by changing her hair all the time too. but she is busy with the order & being an auror.

Maybe Harry will get the job :p. Seriously though I think it could be lion guy.

Maybe Harry will get the job :p. Seriously though I think it could be lion guy.

Holy poop!!! That is probably who the Lion guy is, the new DADA teacher. :tu: Wow that was very smart thinkin because what else could he before :p

Matt

isn't harry too young to be a DADA teacher??

perhaps a new character will be the new teacher? :p

isn't harry too young to be a DADA teacher??

perhaps a new character will be the new teacher?


Harry being the DADA teacher was a joke. The lion man is a new character...haven't you read the posts above you?

I'm pretty sure Jo will follow her usual trend and hve a new character as the DADA teacher. And I'm also pretty sure it will be someone whom we can trust. Dumbledore won't be taking any risks this time.

But I doubt if it will be an auror or someone from the Ministry. Those people have more important stuff to do.

We can also look forward to the DA going ahead in full steam, with Harry as their mentor. So it wouldn't be wrong to say that Harry would be the DADA teacher as well.

i agree with the first year. while completely off the subject i wood also like to add that petunia dursely may learn magic in future books and befirend harry more and shel buy him :cool:

i agree with the first year. while completely off the subject i wood also like to add that petunia dursely may learn magic in future books and befirend harry more and shel buy him :cool:


Petunia hates Magic. She thinks its abnormal, it werid & she wants no part of it why do you think she hated her sister & really hates harry. I honestly can't see her running out & getting magic book anytime soon.

I agree that Tonks is far too busy to teach at Hogwarts with everything going on... but I also believe that teaching at Hogwarts and particularly DADA will be incredibly important to everyone, particularly members of the Order; they will want the students to know as much as possible about protecting themselves and Harry to know as much as possible about how to fight. There will be an extremely capable and strong teacher to teach them this year, and although he or she won't last (they never do), I think that the trio will learn a lot to help them. This 'Lion Guy' is a safe bet in my view, we've never had a DADA teacher that we've met beforehand, and the description sounds perfect.

Tonks would be a great one to fill the position, but I believe wholeheartedly that it will be Snape. Snape would be the best candidate so that the Potions job will be vacated, leaving it open to another, less strict teacher. A less strict teacher is important because Harry will most likely not do particularly well on his O.W.L., but will need N.E.W.T. potions. But, ya never know.

Yup im thinking your right, Snape is the most logical choice for the job. but if he sasent gotten in in the last 5 years what makes DD want to give in and let Snape fill the role now? there is something about Snape and dembeldore's trust that we dont know yet and untill we know what that is...we wont truly understand Snape as a person IMO.

JK said in an interview that having he DADA position would "bring out the worst in Snape", which is why Dumbledore is keeping him from the job. Somehow I don't see him being the techer in HBP..

Hey, not sure if this really fits in this thread but I didnt want to make a new one for such a small question. How do you pronounce McClaggan? I got the Mc part obviously but is the Claggan part 'clog-in' or clay-gen' or is it something different?

I always thought it was Mc-Clag-an as in Mc, (obviously), Clagg as in rag, and "an" as in the word an, or Ann.
That's just my take on it, though.

I for some reason feel that it will be Malfoys Mom who gets the job. I have no evidence at all just a gut feeling. Wasn't it said that she would play a bigger role in the next book?

I think it will be a new character. All of the other teachers have been so far. I would really like it if they brought back Lupin, but I don't think that is going to happen. Actually, we should probably spend time, while we're on this subject, not so much figuring who it will be, but what they will be like. I don't have any ideas though.

Originally Posted by WoodenCoyote:

JK said in an interview that having he DADA position would "bring out the worst in Snape", which is why Dumbledore is keeping him from the job. Somehow I don't see him being the techer in HBP..

Just to play Devil's Advocate, but do you think that JKR's interview is referring to the actual character who gets the job in HBP, or could it also just be the fact that Snape has yet again failed to obtain the DADA job? I agree with you, I was just posing an alternate interpretation of this interview.

The thing that you have to ask, if the new character is supposed to bring about the worst in Snape, is who could this be? The only ones I could think of would be Sirius (dead) or Lupin (not coming back due to his Lycanthropy). If JKR does continue her "every year a new DADA teacher" rule, then who could this person possibly be? Is it too late in the story line to introduce a character that obviously has some sort of a history with Snape?

Just food for thought.

Is there any chance it could be Percy? Though I seriously doubt this. Maybe Tonks since she's an auror and good at DADA but then again, she'll be busy doing Order Of The Phoneix Work.

I think DumbleDore will teach. There's got to be a reason why Dumbledore was the only one Voldemort ever feared.

Maybe there's some secret that Dumbledore has, and he'll teach the kids that secret?

Is there any chance it could be Percy? Though I seriously doubt this. Maybe Tonks since she's an auror and good at DADA but then again, she'll be busy doing Order Of The Phoneix Work.

I like the idea of Tonks more so than Percy. Percy is like Umbridge- all theory most likely. And having a friend who's older sister became our Lit. teacher its not a good idea. Siblings/teacher/student situations are never a good idea.

I highly doubt this would happen, but I wish Lupin would be DADA teacher again!
I mean, except for Moody, who surely would not want to teach ever again after what happened to him in GoF, Lupin seems to have been the only one with some idea of how to teach DADA.
However, I doubt it will happen because he's too busy with the Order, and also because of the werewolf thing

I really think Tonks might do it, look at it this way soon there will be an attack on hogwarts wouldn't it make sense to have as many allies as possible right there?

Originally Posted by elvenprincess:

I really think Tonks might do it, look at it this way soon there will be an attack on hogwarts wouldn't it make sense to have as many allies as possible right there?

But the thing you have to ask yourself when considering whether or not Tonks will become the next DADA professor must include two things:

If Dumbledore wanted Tonks as a DADA professor, why wouldn't he have appointed her in the Order of the Phoenix as a replacement for the Ministry's appointment of Umbridge? If Tonks was even the slightest bit interested in teaching, she would have taken her opportunity last year...and if she had not wanted to do so last year, she (if she was meant to fill the possition at all) would have done so out of respect for Dumbledore's lack of ability to find a suitable candidate.



Why would someone go through all of the hard training to become and Auror (the wizarding world's equivalent to the FBI) just to branch off and teach a bunch of underage wizard's? Why would someone go through all of that trouble just to throw it all away...even if it were to help out Dumbledore immensly?

I don't think that the new DADA teacher will be an Auror. I also don't think that the new DADA teacher will be someone who is a major player in the Order.

First, I'm assuming that based on what we saw at the end of OotP, the ministry is finally realizing that LV is back, and that he presents a clear and present danger to the Wizarding World. By this thought, and based on what we have heard from Moody about the role of the Aurors during the first war against Voldemort, I am guessing that the Aurors are going to be pretty busy. I would think that the minsitry would want the top law enforcement people on the job of hunting down Death Eaters, and not teaching Defense Against the Dark Arts at Hogwarts. I would also think that quite a few wizarding parents feel their students safe at Hogwarts, merely because Dumbledore is there, and would not feel it necessary to pull an Auror away from their other duties simply to be a presence at Hogwarts, be that Auror a teacher or not.

As far as the new DADA teacher being an order member, I just don't know if this is possible either. We can assume that since the Order is the group that is really on the front lines fighting Voldemort, and I would guess that they would be right there with the Aurors, I don't know that Dumbledore would want to take one of them away from their duties in the Order to teach either. Looking at Order members:

Mundungus Fletcher: a petty criminal, parents would most likely not approve of him teaching.
Remus Lupin: a werewolf, has endangered students because of this before, most likely would not take the job again.
Arthur Weasley: has a job with the ministry. Possible, but unlikely.
Molly Weasley: homemaker. Fusses over her children, Hermione, and Harry. Incident with the boggart in OotP. Possible but not likely.
Alastor Mad-Eye Moody: Ex Auror, good friend of Dumbledore's, hired for DADA position, but taken hostage and impersonated, probably important to both the Order and the Aurors. Unlikely to accept the DADA position again, due to other duties.
Severus Snape: Potions master, wants DADA job, but Dumbledore has never given him the job. Ex Death Eater. Jo said DADA would bring out the worst in Snape. Spy for the Order. Possible candidate, but I would still say Doubtful.
McGonnagal: Transfiguration teacher. Has been at Hogwarts for 37 years. In my opinion, unlikely to leave Transfiguration post.
Other Hogwarts Teachers: Flitwick...charms teacher, no known intrest in teaching DADA. Hagrid...Care of Magical Creachers, no known intrest in teaching DADA. Trewlaney...Divination, no known intrest in teaching DADA. Firenze...Divination, centaur, no known intrest in teaching DADA. Sinsitra...Astronomy, don't know much about her other than that, no known intrest in DADA. Vector....arithmancy, don't know much about Vector, no known intrest in DADA... Sprout...herbology, no known intrest in teaching DADA. Binns...History of Magic, ghost, no known intrest in teaching DADA. Grubbly-Plank...filled in for Hagrid, don't know much about her, no known intrest in teaching DADA (note: I'm not sure that all of these people are in the Order, just that they teach at Hogwarts) I feel that it would be unlikely for Dumbledore to remove any of these other teachers from their posts to teach DADA...most of them seem pretty well suited for the subject that they teach.
Arbella Figg: Squib, no magical ability
Tonks: Auror
Kingsley Shacklebolt: Auror
Sturgis Podmore: Arrested once for attempted breaking and entering at the Ministry. Was sentenced to Azkaban. Not much else is known about Podmore.
Aberforth Dumbledore: Brother of Albus Dumbledore. Got in trouble for performing inappropriate charms on goats. Don't know much else about him. Many fans think that he could be the barman at the Hog's Head, but Jo has not confirmed or denied this.
Bill Weasley: Working at Gringotts, he's Dumbledore's connection with the Goblins, unlikely to leave that position.
Charley Weasley: In Romania working with Dragons. It was mentioned that international wizards be recruited, and Charley is in the position to do this. Unlikely.
Fred and George Weasley: Quit school before NEWTs to open joke shop. Doubtful that either of them would want to teach DADA, or that they will be offered the job.
Madame Maxime: Half-Giant Headmistress of Beauxbatons in France. I can't see her leaving her school to teach at Hogwarts.
Sirius Black: Dead.
There are other Order Members that I didn't mention, and that we don't know all that much about. There is a possiblity that Dumbledore would use one of them as the DADA teacher, as their jobs or position are really unknown to most of us. But, their jobs within the Order may be more important than taking on a teaching position at Hogwarts.
This is Possible.

Then there is the pattern thing that I found that works out for the first 5 books.
Book 1: Quirrel Evil
Book 2: Lockhart Inept
Book 3: Lupin Good
Book 4: Fake Moody Evil
Book 5: Umbridge Inept
(theory)
Book 6: Unknown Good
Book 7: Unknown Evil
This would make things quite interesting, seeing an evil teacher in the last book, when Harry possibly would need positive people around him as much as possible. An Evil DADA teacher in Book 7 sets up all sorts of possiblities, much like the Evil DADA teacher in Book 4 set up the return of Voldemort. A good teacher in Harry's 6th year could end up helping Harry just enough to give him what he needs to overcome his obstacles, and Harry could build on that knowledge in Book 7.
Also, by placing a good teacher in the DADA postion in Book 6, we can almost guess that the teacher will be either a lesser member of the Order or a very good friend of Dumbledore's.
Any way that you look at it, the DADA teacher is going to continue to be important, just as they have in previous books.

Following with the above, I was thinking Moody for 6, but its probably somebody new. As for 7th I always thought that Dumbledore would reach in the 7th book, and that totally fits with my theory of Dubledore being evil, he is against Vol, but he is just another kinda of evil- but no one believes that, oh well.

I think that we also have to look at the fact that in each of the first five books, the DADA teacher has been a new character, who was never even mentioned in any of the preceding books. So, if the new DADA teacher were to be an Order member, they would have to be an Order member that we have not heard of yet. I'm sure there are some of them, I can't see that all of them could possibly have been mentioned in OotP...

Originally Posted by FirefightingMuggle:

I think that we also have to look at the fact that in each of the first five books, the DADA teacher has been a new character, who was never even mentioned in any of the preceding books. So, if the new DADA teacher were to be an Order member, they would have to be an Order member that we have not heard of yet. I'm sure there are some of them, I can't see that all of them could possibly have been mentioned in OotP...

I agree, I believe that the next DADA professor will be some one new based on JKR's tradition of doing so with each new book. She has never done it before, why would she feel compelled to do so now? Maybe in the final book, but now....what would be the point?

I also agree with you FirefightingMuggle about the possibility of the new DADA professor being someone from the Order. If the new professor comes from the Order it would most likely be someone new...it adds a flavor to the series. However, for the same reasoning that I have applied to ruling out Tonks as a possibility, the question still remains as to why Dumbledore would be compelled to hire someone from the Order to the position now and forgoe (sp?) doing so when he could have avoided further Ministry scrutiny in OotP. Dumbledore was probably looking for someone, ANYONE to fill the position to keep a Ministry spy out of Hogwarts...why would he not have tried filling the position with an Order member then? It just doesn't make any sense to me. I can't find any logic in doing so now that the pressure from Fudge is off (*this is an assumption, because we do not yet know what kind of Minister of Magic will succeed Fudge in the next book*)

In agreement with what others have said, I don't believe that the new DADA professor will be anyone we have already heard of. At first, I was thinking that Tonks would fill the position, but she most likely has her hands filled with being an Auror and a member of the Order of the Phoenix. I also had hopes for Snape to become the next teacher, but of what he had taught Harry in Book 5 (minus the Pensieve incident). But now that I've read over some of the previous posts, it's more likely that JKR will following her 'new teacher' pattern for the next book.

I think this person will be a close friend of Dumbledore's on whom he can fully rely and trust. I also have a feeling that it will be someone who is part of the Order and capable of teaching Harry and increasing his knowledge in the DADA.

I also agree with the one who posted about the "Evil, Inept, Good" DADA teacher pattern. The start of NEWTS classes seems like the right time to have a teacher who can (and will) actually teach.

~Sinc :D

what if the DADA professor is the McClaggan character?
It seems quite likely to me

Reguardless of who it is, I think that Harry will continue to teach Dumbeldores Army, and I think that if he survives book 7 He will Teach DADA!

JK has already said in an interview that she can't possibly imagine Harry in an academic role, he wont be a teacher, she's already said so.

A DADA teacher who is on the Good side I think is more likely to allow the DA to continue. In fact a Good DADA teacher would take the oppertunity to use the DA to their advantage, like a DADA club of sorts. I guess adding a good character to the role of DADA teacher would be good for both Harry, and the members of the DA.

A DADA teacher who is on the Good side I think is more likely to allow the DA to continue. In fact a Good DADA teacher would take the oppertunity to use the DA to their advantage, like a DADA club of sorts. I guess adding a good character to the role of DADA teacher would be good for both Harry, and the members of the DA.

I have a feeling that whomever Dumbledore gets for DADA teacher - they are going to be awesome. They have to be considering how far behind the classes are, especially after Umbridge, (not including the DA members, of course,) and I think there will be much more practical training than book learning in Harry's sixth year.

I just had a thought - I don't know if this has all ready been mentioned, but, what if Dumbledore got his brother, Aberforth, to teach DADA? He hasn't really been a big part of the story, but he is there for a reason. He has to know a lot of magic since he is about as old as Dumbledore - and he did work for the original Order of the Phoenix - and I believe he was the one that kicked the person out of the Hog's Head who was caught 'overhearing' when Dumbledore heard the prophecy from Trelawny. And we know he knows who Harry is by the look on his face the day the DADA had their first meeting at the Hog's Head. I think there is a bigger importance to him being in the story than just as a bartender.

***SNIP***

I just had a thought - I don't know if this has all ready been mentioned, but, what if Dumbledore got his brother, Aberforth, to teach DADA? He hasn't really been a big part of the story, but he is there for a reason. He has to know a lot of magic since he is about as old as Dumbledore - and he did work for the original Order of the Phoenix - and I believe he was the one that kicked the person out of the Hog's Head who was caught 'overhearing' when Dumbledore heard the prophecy from Trelawny. And we know he knows who Harry is by the look on his face the day the DADA had their first meeting at the Hog's Head. I think there is a bigger importance to him being in the story than just as a bartender.

The only problem that I really have with the idea of Aberforth as the DADA teacher for book 6 is that we have been introduced to him prior to HBP. None of the prior DADA teachers were introduced prior to the book that they appeared in. I'm really strong on the idea that the DADA teacher will be a new character, simply because of the pattern established in other books.
But, I do agree with you on a few points. I tend to agree that Aberforth is the bartender at the Hogs Head. I definately agree that the bartender (whether he is Aberforth or not) recognizes Harry at the Organizational meeting for the DA at the Hogs Head, but in the Wizarding World, who doesn't know who Harry is? I also agree that it was most likely the bartender who caught the eavesdropper when Albus Dumbledore was speaking to Trewlaney. And, I agree that Aberforth has a larger role to play in the books. He has been mentioned several times, and I think there is a reason for it.

I thought Aberforth was practically illiterate. Didn't DD say something like that in GoF when he was trying to cheer Hagrid up with the story about his brother and the innapropriate goat charms? Surely Hogwarts wouldn't hire an illiterate teacher? How would he mark essays?

I'm not entirely sure that Dumbledore was entirely serious about Aberforth being illiterate. Part of me thinks that Albus was just illustrating the fact that his brother either doesn't keep up with what is in the paper and doesn't read that often, or that Aberforth really doesn't care much about what others think of him.

Just saying that Aberforth is the bartender at the Hogshead, it would be hard to keep a bar if you didn't know how to read. I would imagine that you would at least keep record of your sales...you can't do that if you can't read, it becomes difficult.

I'm not saying that Aberforth is illiterate or not, or even that he'd be a good candidate for the DADA position. We don't know that much about him except for the inappropriate charms on goats thing...

But if he's got half the power that Dumbledore does, then it would be great. Also, if he is illiterate, I think that DADA classes should be more than just essays, I think that they should be graded upon practical experience. I don't think that you need to understand a spell fully to know how to block it (though it wouldn't hurt...)

Here's just a thought... If Aberforth did become a professor, would he be another Professor Dumbledore??

Didn't JK say someone from gryffindor, harry year would be a teacher or something???????

Didn't JK say someone from gryffindor, harry year would be a teacher or something???????

Yes, but I believe that she meant after school. No student could possibly have time to teach a class and go to classes themselves unless they used the time turner...and that would be very complicated, and it would have to be explained to all of the students, who would no doubt try to nick it and use it for themselves. You know...sleep through class, then go back and go to it....

What if Dumbledore made harry DADA he did find time to teach in OoTP. It's possible

I'm not entirely sure that Dumbledore was entirely serious about Aberforth being illiterate. Part of me thinks that Albus was just illustrating the fact that his brother either doesn't keep up with what is in the paper and doesn't read that often, or that Aberforth really doesn't care much about what others think of him.

Just saying that Aberforth is the bartender at the Hogshead, it would be hard to keep a bar if you didn't know how to read. I would imagine that you would at least keep record of your sales...you can't do that if you can't read, it becomes difficult.

I sort of took Dumbledore's remark about Aberforth as meaning that he wasn't really that close to his brother - he said something like - I don't think he took offense to the article in the paper as I'm not even sure he can read. I'd think if they were close Dumbledore would know whether his brother could read or not.

But if he's got half the power that Dumbledore does, then it would be great. Also, if he is illiterate, I think that DADA classes should be more than just essays, I think that they should be graded upon practical experience. I don't think that you need to understand a spell fully to know how to block it (though it wouldn't hurt...)

Here's just a thought... If Aberforth did become a professor, would he be another Professor Dumbledore??

That was in my earlier post - I think now that Voldemort is back, the DADA lessons are going to be more praticle than book lessons anyway. I think the students had enough of book learning with Umbridge.

That would be funny, two Professor Dumbledore's :)

What if Dumbledore made harry DADA he did find time to teach in OoTP. It's possible
oh ya that would be kewl, he's already proved he could teach the DA but i dought it cause Harry still has school and hw, when is he going to get the time to teach DADA class's. it was an awsome theory though

oh ya that would be kewl, he's already proved he could teach the DA but i dought it cause Harry still has school and hw, when is he going to get the time to teach DADA class's. it was an awsome theory though

Harry's going to be too busy to teach, except maybe his old DA classes, not that they don't have to worry about Umbridge - I think it would be a good job for him after he graduated though - once Voldemort is pushin' up daisies, that is :)

oh ya that would be kewl, he's already proved he could teach the DA but i dought it cause Harry still has school and hw, when is he going to get the time to teach DADA class's. it was an awsome theory though
they might work his schedule to were he'd be able to teach it because lets face other than lupin; harry is the best DADA teacher. didn't JK say someone from harry's year that is in gryffindor would become a teacher? i think that someone will be harry :rotfl:

they might work his schedule to were he'd be able to teach it because lets face other than lupin; harry is the best DADA teacher. didn't JK say someone from harry's year that is in gryffindor would become a teacher? i think that someone will be harry :rotfl:

I think that he would make a good DADA teacher, if he didn't have other stuff to do. It's one thing to teach a handful of willing kids in a classroom that has everything that you need. (I'm talking about the DA). These people were united for a cause, and they didn't even have set times each week, it changed according to his schedule. He didn't need to test anyone, either. He just made sure that they were improving and gave them pointers. I don't think that they could change his schedule at all to allow him to have time to teach a class. I've said this before somewhere...there are 7 years, 4 houses, that would be 28 classes. These classes are about an hour long, and at least twice a week. That would be 56 hours a week devoted to teaching another class. And then he'd have his own classes to go to. Not to mention that they're going to be harder because he's going to start NEWT level classes this year. One could argue that he could use a time turner, but that would be way too confusing, and he'd be using it much more often than when Hermione was using it in the PoA. There's just not really much time. And we know that no Slytherin (at least the ones in class with Draco) would pay any attention to him. Draco would make fun of him, he would eventually lose him temper and do something to him, either a curse or something else if he ever learns to transfigure people, then he might do punishment ferret style. And then he gets in major trouble because it's no longer a student fight, it's a teacher misusing his authority spot.

No--I don't think that Harry could be the DADA teacher. If he is in HBP, then I will mail you a dollar :p

JK has already said it won't be Harry though, she says she doesn't see him in an academic role after Hogwarts... pity though, he's obviously very good at it.
As for the DADA professor in HPB my guess is the mystery 'lion man' character she revealed to us late last year in that extract on her website. Perfect match and we've never met him before just like all the rest before they turned up to teach.

JK has already said it won't be Harry though, she says she doesn't see him in an academic role after Hogwarts... pity though, he's obviously very good at it.
As for the DADA professor in HPB my guess is the mystery 'lion man' character she revealed to us late last year in that extract on her website. Perfect match and we've never met him before just like all the rest before they turned up to teach.

I still say Aberforth Dumbledore will be the new DADA teacher in book six.

My money's on Snape or Aberforth. (After all, if Snape does get chosen, that means new potions prof., and that means more likley chance for Harry into the class.)

I'd love to see Lupin back, but now he's been outed as a werewolf I don't think that's going to happen. It just has to be a new teacher- ohh I know what would be cool! Bill Weasley.

yes bill weasley would be cool :tu: what about kinsley shacklebolt! i think he would be good :huh:

yes bill weasley would be cool :tu: what about kinsley shacklebolt! i think he would be good :huh:

Bill might be an option since he is no longer in Egypt, but Kingsley is an Auror - with Voldemort back, I doubt the Ministry would let him take a year off to teach DADA lessons at Hogwarts.

Sorry about the long-winded post! :sigh: Here goes:

Originally Posted by chrisbll85:

What if Dumbledore made harry DADA he did find time to teach in OoTP. It's possible

I do not think that Harry will A) become the next Defense Against the Dark Arts professor in his sixth year or B) that he will ever hold some sort of a teaching position. Despite any hint of teaching skills that JKR may have given us in the fifth book, there are just not enough reasons for me to believe that Harry could handle the teaching position. I agree with spacecase when she said that there is just not enough time (even with a Time-Turner) for it to work. Harry would be so incredibly bogged down from work that he wouldn't be able to do anything. Quidditch would be out (of course this is assuming that Umbridge's life-long ban on him is removed, the book never says it is, but I think it is safe to say he will be playing quiddich in book 6), and so would any sort of extracarricular activities that he would want to partake in (I.E. something like a Triwizard Tournament type event that may come to Hogwarts in book six). We all know how important quidditch is to Harry, how much he loves it. Now image Harry having to constantly work and teach, the book just wouldn't have any flavor to it. I'm not saying that OotP didn't have any flavor to it because Harry couldn't play quidditch, but Harry's life sure was made hell. Another reason, going along with whether or not Harry would play quidditch, is whether or not Harry would except the job. The only real reasons I could see (based on his character) that would make Harry give up quidditch (and all of his free time) would be to train the students of Hogwarts as best as he could in order to prepare for the Second War. The first two things that stikes me when this point is drawn up for Harry's willingness to be appointed to the next DADA job is that he is:
an underage, underqualified wizard he doesn't really know that much DADA, besides his natural gift in the subject.

On point one: Harry is an underage, underqualified wizard. Harry has not yet graduated from Hogwarts. And even when he does, he will only be seventeen. Now, generally teachers must go to school for an additional three to four years (or more) in order to become a qualified teacher, which would put their age at twenty to twenty-one at the very least. There is a big difference in ages here. At seventeen (or in the case of Harry's appointment to the DADA job next year, sixteen), one is a gangly, zitty, moody, hormonal teenager. Not exactly the type to be able to command respect from the students (especially the Slytherins, as spacecase pointed out). By the time one would have exited finishing school, they would become an older, more mature adult...well at least more of one than any seventeen or sixteen year old. I can't see Harry being able to command any respect from his students, the staff, or the parents of the students he is teaching. On a side note relating to the parents; no parent in their right mind would want some Dougie-Houser kid teaching their child defense against the dark arts with the outbreak of the Second War upon them. The parents would be able to handle the appointment by Dumbledore of werewolves, half-giants, and centaurs, but no parent is going to want some dumb kid as their child's teacher at a time like this. Furthermore, I do not know whether or not the wizarding world requires some sort of finishing school or secondary school in order to teach their teachers. If they do not, then Harry's age doesn't have as much to do with whether or not he could be hired by Dumbledore. Harry's knowledge of defensive magic, however, does.

Despite all that we have been shown and told of Harry's great proficency in the relm of defense against the dark arts, I do not think that he has the knowledge base enough to teach all of the DADA classes. My main points for this include again, Harry's age, as well as the fact that he didn't teach the DA alone.
First off, Harry is too young. Sure he is very knowledgeable for his age in this area, and certainly has had much more experience than pretty much everyone in his year, but there is still one year above him. The seventh years certainly would have either A) studied a wider variety of spells and defensive magic (more comprehensive) or B) have gone into greater depth than Harry has when it comes to the theory behind the magic. The only thing that gets me about this is Harry's practical experience most likely outways any sort of experience that event the advanced DADA students have. It just doesn't make sense to me that Harry has aquired enough knowledge about the Dark Arts to teach students that have been studying magic for a year longer than he has.

Secondly, we must not forget that Harry did not teach Dumbledore's Army alone. Ron and Hermione were their with him. As with the rest of the books, the Trio are a team. I believe that in most instances, as with this one, Harry needs his friends. Whether for some sort of emotional support or for some kind of concrete help during the teaching process. Throughout the books, we have seen what happens when one of the Trio break away - all hell breaks loose. Think about how bad Harry's life was in GoF when Ron would not speak to him. I think the same logic can be applied to whether or not Harry is capable of teaching without Hermione and Ron. He needs them.

Originally Posted by Mugglelvr:

Bill might be an option since he is no longer in Egypt, but Kingsley is an Auror - with Voldemort back, I doubt the Ministry would let him take a year off to teach DADA lessons at Hogwarts.

Bill and Kingsley. While I have never really thought about Bill becoming the next DADA, I do want to denounce the theory for Kingsley based on the same rational used to "eliminate" Tonks. Like Mugglelvr said, Kingsley and Tonks being Aurors surley makes it hard for them to teach Defense Against the Dark Arts classes at Hogwarts.

Back to Bill for a moment. Bill having returned from his Gringots work in Egypt and being transferred to London was primarily to do work for the Order, correct? Dumbledore recruited Bill so that he could use Bill's connections within Gringots (what exactly they are right now I can't think of, but that is neither here nor there) and to just plain do work for the Order. The big reasons I see against the hiring for Bill for the next DADA are the fact that we don't know much about his Dark Arts (and magical experience in general, for that matter) experience other than the fact that he is a curse breaker for Gringots and again, the how we don't know much about his character in general other than the fact that he was a prefect when he went to Hogwarts. First off, we don't know exactly what his job entails, so we can't make any conclusions as to whether or not he has Dark Arts experience gained through this line of work. At the Quittich World Cup in GoF, he, Charlie, and Percy went to assist the Ministry in trying to stop the drunken Death Eaters who were on a rampage, so obviously he has some aptness towards Defensive magic if he is assisting in trying to put down a number of Death Eaters. In concourandce with the above, we do not know much about his character in general. Like the McClaggen character, we sort of have a blank check when it comes to Bill (other than the obvious things such as his loyalty to the Order, and some family history). We have not been shown what kind of teaching experience, or skills Bill posseses.

Also, as I have said in previous posts pretaining to the appoint ment of one of the Order members in the upcoming book, if Dumbledore was so desperate to have a person in the DADA position, and is willing to hire one of the Order members in this time around, why did he not do it before, in OotP? If Dumbledore wanted Bill as a DADA professor, why wouldn't he have appointed him in the Order of the Phoenix as a replacement for the Ministry's appointment of Umbridge? If Bill was even the slightest bit interested in teaching, he would have taken his opportunity last year...and if he had not wanted to do so last year, he (if he was meant to fill the possition at all) would have done so out of respect for Dumbledore's lack of ability to find a suitable candidate. Overall, I am still riding the fence when it comes to the possibility of Bill becoming the next DADA professor, but I think that our lack of his teaching abilities as well as the reasons for his unacceptance (if there was an offer) of the job in OotP are pushing me towards the "no" side when it comes to Bill.

Originally Posted by FirefightingMuggle:

The only problem that I really have with the idea of Aberforth as the DADA teacher for book 6 is that we have been introduced to him prior to HBP. None of the prior DADA teachers were introduced prior to the book that they appeared in. I'm really strong on the idea that the DADA teacher will be a new character, simply because of the pattern established in other books.

***(SNIP)***

And, I agree that Aberforth has a larger role to play in the books. He has been mentioned several times, and I think there is a reason for it.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I really can't see Aberforth becoming the next DADA professor either. Mainly becuase of the point mentioned above. I too think that Aberforth has some role to play later on in the septology, but I do not think that he will be the next DADA professor. The best scenario that I can picture envolving Harry meeting Aberforth would have to be something to do with Aberforth's work with the Order, which in this case we continually know little about the goals and workings of the Order, so he would play that big of a role here. Once again, Aberforth falls under the reasons I mentioned for the ruling out of Tonks, Kingsley and Bill. He is an Order member. Even if Aberforth is some sort of super wizard like his brother, why wouldn't Albus hire him as apposed to having someone like Umbridge take his place. Unless Harry meets Aberforth and he is some sort of super wizard like his brother (which I doubt considering the characterization of Aberforth throughout the books has done nothing but to show his incapacity to do powerful magic), I can not see Aberforth as the next DADA professor either.

In my opinion, the only real choice for the new DADA professor is either the McClaggan character or some other new character. The main reason I say this is that I can't really see a reason for JKR to break with the pattern of introducing a totally new character to us the year of the appointment of the DADA professor. I feel that this is vital to the septology. In each book, the DADA professor brings with him (or her) their own part to the story. Without the ever changing DADA teacher, the books would become stale. Each new DADA professor has some entricate part to play with Harry's experience that year (I.E. Quirrel, Lockhart, and Umbridge), and in some cases the whole series (I.E. Lupin and the imposter Moody). Imagine the books with the DADA teacher staying on for more than one year: only the core elements to the series remain. All that would happen in the books would be Harry's drab drudging through the school year and the eventual confrontation with the foe at the end of the year. Bland. I believe that the appointment by Dumbledore of a new DADA teacher each year is crucial to fully developing the plot of each book and to make each one its own. For these reasons, I believe that either the McCalggan character or someone else who we haven't met will become the next DADA professor.

The only possible scenario that I can see for JKR to put someone that we have met before into the position in book 6 would be Snape, but I have a feeling that he will finally get the job in book 7, not 6.


In a break from the above:

I was reading Mugglenet (http://www.mugglenet.com)'s North Tower Editorials section and found to really good articles pretaining to this topic:
The New DADA Teacher (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/thenorthtower/nt30.shtml) by Maline Fredén.
The Potions Riddle and the DADAs (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/editorials/edit-rams01.shtml) by Rams.

Both editorials provide great insight to the next DADA professor topic and are well worth the read.


EDIT:

Here, I found this quote from a suggestion at the beginning of this thread by rotsiepots and thought it might be important to bring it back up again:

Originally Posted by JKR:

Will we ever get a Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher who lasts more than a year?

A. I'm not telling you. ;-)
Online chat transcript, Scholastic.com, 3 February 2000 via Quick-Quote-Quill.org (http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/index2.html)

Does this mean that, through JKR's sense of humor, that we will get a DADA teacher that lasts more than one year? If this is to be true, then it must happen this year. If so, who could this be? It certainly narrows down the list of possibilities.

I do not think that Harry will A) become the next Defense Against the Dark Arts professor in his sixth year or B) that he will ever hold some sort of a teaching position. Despite any hint of teaching skills that JKR may have given us in the fifth book, there are just not enough reasons for me to believe that Harry could handle the teaching position.

Another reason for Harry not to be put in the DADA job while he's still in school is the fact that his popularity seems to hinge on public opinion. At the end of GoF and most of the way through OotP, everyone thought he was a "nutter" and a "attention seeking show off" or something. At the end of OotP, he was again, popular with the public and the students, but whose to say something won't happen a short way into HBP to change that again. If his popularity suddenly took a dive, what would that do to his status as a teacher. Sure the DA students stood behind Harry, (except Marietta), but I can't see Harry teaching a class that included Malfoy, Crabbe and Goyle, and making a success of it.

The only real reasons I could see (based on his character) that would make Harry give up quidditch (and all of his free time) would be to train the students of Hogwarts as best as he could in order to prepare for the Second War.

Harry won't give up Quidditch. That is the one true thing he loves at Hogwarts, and after being banned by Umbridge, the rest of the team and McGonagall will make sure that Harry does the thing he loves the most. Besides, Ginny said she wouldn't be Seeker again, but wanted to be a Chaser the following year, once Harry was back on the team.

an underage, underqualified wizard he doesn't really know that much DADA, besides his natural gift in the subject.

Exactly - Harry does very well at DADA, and he has shown that he doesn't need a teacher to learn the subject, as long as he has Hermione and some good books, but he doesn't know enough to teach a structured class unless all the class includes is teaching curses and hexes. Teaching a class involving book learning would be quiet different - and I'm sure the seventh year student might take offense to being taught by someone younger than them. Harry hasn't taken N.E.W.Ts yet, so how could he possibly teach the higher level?

Furthermore, I do not know whether or not the wizarding world requires some sort of finishing school or secondary school in order to teach their teachers.

I don't think a teacher is required to take additional courses to teach. If so, Moody would have never been appointed - and I'm sure Umbridge didn't have a teaching certificate. I think the DADA position is based on knowledge and experience, not higher education.



Secondly, we must not forget that Harry did not teach Dumbledore's Army alone. Ron and Hermione were their with him. As with the rest of the books, the Trio are a team. I believe that in most instances, as with this one, Harry needs his friends. Whether for some sort of emotional support or for some kind of concrete help during the teaching process.

I do believe this is a misconception - Harry did do the teaching of the DA alone. Besides of Hermione's organization in the beginning, Harry was quiet alone in the actual lessons, and he did do quiet well. He already had a teaching plan in his mind before he even told Hermione he'd teach. Ron had absolutely nothing to do with the administration of the DA other then threatening to pound Smith when he was being smart to Harry in the meeting at the Hogs Head.

I think an auror maybe a good idea to to teach DADA. my bet is on Kingsley Shacklebolt he'd keep a good eye on Harry. i think if Snape ever does get the DADA job then it will be in book 7. but if the job is truly cursed then what will happen to him? i'm hoping that he will not die as i love him!

I think it'll be the HBP.
I doubt it'll be anyone in the Order/an auror..they'll be much too busy. I don't think Snape'll ever teach DADA, he's too good at potions.

harry

I think it'll be the HBP.
I doubt it'll be anyone in the Order/an auror..they'll be much too busy. I don't think Snape'll ever teach DADA, he's too good at potions.
Not to mention that Jo said (and forgive me, I don't have the link to the interview) that DADA would bring out the worst in Snape. I shudder to think what the worst of Snape would be...

I agree that it's unlikely anyone from the order would be teaching, too much going on. And Harry still has a lot to learn. Snape - never, JKR has hinted as much. I don't think it'll be the HBP, either; probably a new character. Come to think of it, didn't a couple of witches resign in protest from something or other (wizenmagot?) when Dumbledore was removed? Maybe one of them will teach.

Hedwig, I forgot all about those who resigned from the Wizengamot. I would guess that they are friends of Dumbledore's, so they could be logical choices. I have to wonder though, after seeing the faces of some who are on the Wizengamot, are they really accomplished Witches and Wizards, are they more of political pawns, like Umbridge, Percy and Fudge, or is the Wizengamot a mixture of the two. I would hope that Dumbledore would choose the accomplished Witch or Wizard, someone who knows what they are talking about. I'm guessing that those who resigned have a decent grasp on reality, and by supporting Dumbledore were showing some moral fiber and intelligence. One of them could be a good choices for DADA I think. Of course, when it comes to the DADA teaching position, the good choice is not always the choice that is made.

Hedwig, I forgot all about those who resigned from the Wizengamot. I would guess that they are friends of Dumbledore's, so they could be logical choices. I have to wonder though, after seeing the faces of some who are on the Wizengamot, are they really accomplished Witches and Wizards, are they more of political pawns, like Umbridge, Percy and Fudge, or is the Wizengamot a mixture of the two.

Actually, of the two who resigned from the Wizengamot, one was Griselda Marchbanks, and the other was Tiberius Ogden. Griselda Marchbanks was one of the testers for the O.W.L exams. She's the one who had tested Dumbledore when he was in school. She said something to the effect that Dumbledore could do things with a wand she'd never seen before. I believe Madame Marchbanks is said to be 170 years old - I don't know about Tibirius Ogden, but I know he's not a Professor, (he was the one who told Professor Tofty that Harry could do a Patronus,).

I think they are both too old to be teachers though.

Thanks for the editorial links, xharrypotterx.

And I don't necessarily think that Madam Marchbanks would be too old to go for a teaching position. I think that if she can administer the OWL tests, then she should be completely able to teach as well. We don't know much about her besides that, though.

Also, I thought that at the beginning of OotP, Dumbledore couldn't find anyone who wanted the position, not necessarily couldn't find someone that he wanted to appoint. He actually might be more willing to hire an Order member this time around. I think that he needed the Order members to do order work in the beginning of OotP because it was just getting started again. Harry was being followed around and they were trying to figure out something about a weapon... Well, I think that they've figured that out now, and managed the whole deal with the prophecy. I also think that they've got better footing at the beginning of HBP because everyone knows and accepts the fact that Voldemort is back.

Whoever the new DADA teacher is...I hope that Dumbledore approves of the person, and they're possessed or someone else under a polyjuice potion. The only actual adept teacher that they had was Lupin. (Moody rocked, but it wasn't him, and he was out to get Harry...that doesn't qualify someone as a good teacher)

Maybe it's Aberforth...all right it's out there. (doubtful but hey)

You know what, after reading the article on the new DADA teacher, I am more convinced that it might be Dumbledore (even though McClaggan is a really likely candidate) I've been pushing for Dumbledore before, but was shot down. But if he were the DADA teacher, then we'd really get an opportunity to see some totally cool magic. Dumbledore is basically the most powerful wizard, and he's a good guy! So far, we've seen him evacuate his office in an awesome fashion and do some type of cool spell to counterattack Voldemort. I will be quite upset if we go through the whole series without seeing some more displays of Dumbledore's power. (But judging from the book covers, especially the kids UK version, we will see some!)

I doubt it is McClaggan. When she mentioned that, she said she had found the name a few days before using it. Before the series even started, she said she had everything planned out for who's arriving when, so it seems very unlikely she'd have waited this long to find a name for the new DADA teacher. I think it'd be cool if it was Aberforth or Bill W., but I do think it's going to be someone new, like it has been for the other books.

I think it'll be the HBP.
I doubt it'll be anyone in the Order/an auror..they'll be much too busy. I don't think Snape'll ever teach DADA, he's too good at potions.


There has to be a reason why the DADA position has never been held very long, and since either new character or an old one's importance will be revealed, it's possible that the HBP is going to the DADA teacher. But, who is the HBP? :scared: Dun...dun...dun...

And I don't necessarily think that Madam Marchbanks would be too old to go for a teaching position. I think that if she can administer the OWL tests, then she should be completely able to teach as well. We don't know much about her besides that, though.

Marchbanks is a possibility, but I think since she is a O.W.L examiner, I don't think she can also be a teacher, but she probably know her stuff.

Harry was being followed around and they were trying to figure out something about a weapon... Well, I think that they've figured that out now, and managed the whole deal with the prophecy.

Yes, I'd say they've got the weapon thing figured out now - since it's Harry! Voldemort knows that Harry is the only one who can defeat him, even if he doesn't know the entire prophecy - he knows enough to get the idea.

I know this is a long shot , but I would like to see either Fred or George Weasley take the role . I know they have the joke shop , but they both don't have to work at the shop . They could take turns teaching . I know this won't happen but I enjoy the twins and I have a feeling we won't see near enough of them now that they have left Hogwarts .

I think that it is time that JKR introduced a female DADA teacher! Possibly even a slytherin.
It would only be fair in my opinion.

I think that it is time that JKR introduced a female DADA teacher! Possibly even a slytherin.
It would only be fair in my opinion.She did have a female DADA teacher . Remember Professer Umbridge?????

Oooooooooo... that Fred and George idea gave me another idea, I don't think either one of them would leave their business when it's just starting. But, what about Percy? After the fact that he ignored his family, and even became at odds with them, and the fact that he was basically working for Lord Voldemort, he might quit his job at the ministry because he feels ashamed (or because he is fired). He might pick up the job at Hogwarts to watch over his brother and sister (maybe to get closer to the family) and to show that he is now on Dumbledore's side.


... maybe?

I know this is a long shot , but I would like to see either Fred or George Weasley take the role . I know they have the joke shop , but they both don't have to work at the shop . They could take turns teaching . I know this won't happen but I enjoy the twins and I have a feeling we won't see near enough of them now that they have left Hogwarts .
I think that it would be really funny if they were the DADA teacher(s). I could see them sitting in class cursing everyone, somehow insisting that the best way to learn defense was just to be exposed to curses and jinxes so much. They could so confuse first years who didn't know that there were two of them!
...but I find that highly unlikely. Especially because they have invested in their joke shop so much I couldn't see them doing that as only part-time or giving it up all together...

I'll get version three going then.

:)