Is Harry a pure-blood? aka Were the Evanses half-bloods? aka Lily's parents, wizards?

I always thought Harry was a "pure blood" cause both his parents are magical, but then why do some people call him only a half wizard or whatever because his mother is muggle born? :??:
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when ur pure blood, ur family tree is full of wizards, no muggles. Lily Potter was muggle born so harry isn't fully pure

He definitely is a pure blood, Rowling or Riddle just made a mistake in CoS

There's been too much emphasis on Harry's blood status for it to be a mistake. Not only is Harry mentioned as a half-blood in CoS, it's also inferred in GoF.

SiriusTheVirus is interpreting Harry's bloodline correctly. Blood status is not established by direct parentage, more by "overall genealogy." Harry is a half-blood because he has a muggle side of the family and a magical side. I'm sure how many generations have to pass before an individual is considered a "pure blood" but this seems to be the way things work in the magical community.

I guess everyones definition of a pure blood is different. Draco believed that a pure blood had no muggle in the family tree but others probably think that if both parents were magical then you are a pure blood. It all depends on what way you wish to see it.

YOu can't go from Muggle born to Pure blood in one generation...

More than one place in the books the kids talk about being pure blood because their magic can be traced 9 generations....

I would think it would take at least 3 generations. Thats just me

Really? I always thought that he was a pureblood, since both of his parents are wizard and witch. i agree, with martinnyg, JK just made a mistake

But if Harry isn't a pureblood, then why did the sorting hat consider putting him in Slytherin? Wouldn't he have to be a pureblood for that?

Not necesarily... Wait, do we know what house Tom Riddle was in? because he turned out bad, so you'd assume he was in Slytherin, but he wasnt pure blood

I think Rowling's following the same rules that slaveowners used to determine whether someone was black, or the Nazis used to determine if someone was Jewish. By those standards, you had to go back at least three or four generations (sometimes more) before you could be considered "pure-blood."

The sorting hat wanted to put Harry in Slytherin because he could see the powers that Voldemort transfered to him.

But, a power transfer theory also poses problems if Tom Riddle wasn't a pureblood, because he IS Voldemort. If his powers in Harry made Harry a candidate for Slytherin, then wouldn't Tom have been a Slytherin also?

Wasn't he? I think it's pretty strongly implied. Besides, pure blood isn't an absolute requirement for being a Slytherin: just ambition. After all, the Sorting Hat was Gryffindor's idea, not Slytherin's, so not every student's going to meet the latter's exact standards.

Still, if Tom Riddle isn't a pureblood, then Voldemort isn't...so why is he out to kill anyone who isn't a pureblood? Is this a Hitler sort of thing? :??:

That's what I think. Only Rowling knows for sure, though.

ok, i still think Harry is a pure blood because both parents are magical.. but it's only a persons opinion.. so I think that whatever a person wants to interperate the term "pureblood" as is welcome to their immagination:D

I'd Say Half Each

Voldemort isn't a pure blood, because his father is a muggle. Harry isn't a pure blood either because his mother was a muggle born.

Slytherin do allow people like Voldemort and Harry because they're not muggle born

You do not have to be a pure-blooded wizard to be in Slytherin, because of Riddle. He was also descended (or an ancestor--but that's another argument) from Salazar Slytherin himself. His heir, being a mudblood, can you hear old Salazar turning in his grave? hehehehe

Harry may or may not be pure-blooded, and the ruler is different depending on who you talk to. Lily was definitely muggle-born, both her parents were muggles. Same with Hermione.

Ron and Draco are pure-blooded wizards because both of them come from "old" wizarding families.

Both Harry's parents were wizards, and even Draco thinks that's the measure, because he asks Harry that in Madame Malkins. But some take it way more, going back several generations.

Maybe there is a continuum of pure-bloodedness:
Muggle born, both parents muggles.
Half-blood one parent muggle, one witch or wizard.
Mostly pure, both parents wizarding folk, but one of them less than pure-blood.
Pure-blood, all ancestors for three or more generations wizarding folk.

Under this scale, Harry is more of a pure wizard than Tom Riddle.

I agree with the continuum, because Draco doesn't seem to think of Harry as a "mudblood." Only Hermione.

First and foremost, given JKR social conscience, Harry is probably a half.

Logically:

A mudblood is someone who has two muggle parents, such as Hermione.

Lily was a mudblood and James was probably a pureblood (if not a half himself), making Harry a halfblood.

Wait a second. Lily was a witch. James was a wizard. Lily was not a muggle, and neither was James. The definition of a half-blood is someone who has one magical parent and one muggle parent. In Harry's case, both of his parents were magical, therefore making him a pure-blood. It doesn't matter if Lily was muggle-born or not. How do you think that pure-blood famalies got started? Sure, some kids may be pure-blood that they can trace up to 9 generations ago...beacause one of their ancestors had to be muggle-born, making them first in the line of a newly formed pure-blood family.

Get it? Harry is simply the first generation of his pure-blood family.

Originally posted by martinnyg
He definitely is a pure blood, Rowling or Riddle just made a mistake in CoS

riddle? JK made Riddle, so no, harry isnt pure blood.

I honestly don't know why this is constantly discussed. Not just here, but in other forums as well. JKR didn't make a mistake in the book, she's said it in an interview also. Its an important theme in the story.
People can think Harry a pureblood all they want, but keep in mind this is JRK's story and idea of "pureblood" and "halfblood." If you don't understand that, then you're going continue being confused when this is probably going to mentioned again in her books.

A snippet from the interview in question:
Q: Book Four explores several themes - some we've seen before like prejudice in Chamber of Secrets. We see more of that with foreign students and people with different parentage. Is that something you've been wanting to explore?

JKR: From the beginning of Philosopher's Stone, prejudice is a very strong theme. It is plausible that Harry enters the world wide-eyed: everything will be wonderful and it's the sort of place where injustices don't happen. Then he finds out that it does happen and it's a shock to him. He finds out that he is a half-blood: to a wizard like Lucius Malfoy, he will never be a true wizard, because his mother was of Muggle parentage. It's a very important theme.

Well, my interpretation is arguable. Just my side of an argument. Lily wasn't a muggle, so I don't know how Harry could be half-blood. *shrugs* Just beacause it's what JKR said doesn't mean it makes sense to me :)

DarlingChild> That's fine. I'm not entirely sure of what constitutes a pureblood or halfblood anyway. But for the books, it probably will come up again and either accept JKR's definition of pureblood, or take the chance of loosing an important concept in the wizarding world. This is what the thread is about right? Why Harry's looked upon as not good enough? And yes, I agree with your earlier statement about Harry being the first in line of a pureblood family but that's only if he marries a pureblood witch, and their kids keep up with the tradition, etc etc..

You have two halves to married families. The mom's side and the dad's side. Half of Harry's family (that we know of) is muggle. The other half is wizard. Hence, halfblood. Your race, ancensty, etc isn't based on one marriage. Its the lineage, not just your parents that decide whether you're pureblood or halfblood.

*edit* *can't type* :P

I'm agreeing with The Oracle on this one. :yup:

Harry's blood status is stated numerous times throughout the HP books; why is it such a contentious issue? It's not a "mistake" on JKR's behalf and, quite frankly, I think it undermines JKR's intelligence to suggest that it is.

Harry is a half blood.

He's more of a 3/4 blood :D

Or a quarter blood if u're thinking in terms of how much muggle blood is in him :)

Lily maybe a witch, but she is also considered a mudblood. (Excuse my language). Do I need to remind you all that Aunt Pentunia was her sister and she was muggle born?

Harry is a half-blood. Deal with it and move on.

It would depend what you consider. Judging by parents who are both magical, it would be pureblood, but only one half of harrys generation is pureblood, most of the other are muggles.

Put it this way. Lilly and James both magical. Pure blood.

But one set of grandparents were muggles so that would probably make him a quarter blood, if there was such a thing, or perhaps even half blood.

I'm not sure to be honest, it would depend on the rules for such things.

If you want to go back to pre-Civil War days in the U.S. any person with 1/16 negro blood or more, was considered to be negro. There were variants like quadroon (1/4 negro) and octaroon (1/8 negro), but 1/16 was enough. That's one great-great grandparent. 4 generations ago.

Anyhow, there are those in the wizarding world who are extremely concerned about the whole thing, and others who only care about the person themself, not their antecedents. And as in any dynamic society, there are shades and nuances. Half-blood obviously is anyone who is neither muggle-born nor pure-blood. But there are still probably shades along the continuum also.

Sinistra, that was a well thought out post, if only it could end the discussion.

For all of you how were asking about Voldie, and Tom Riddel, well theyre the same person rite? And so Riddle said he didnt want his fathers name in the 2nd book, thats why he cahnged it, and in the 4th book, Vlodie grabs some specs of bones and says something about his muggle father. So there-fore he is half-blood, and not mudblood or pure. hehehaha

Get it? Harry is simply the first generation of his pure-blood family.

That makes a lot of sense^^ In CoS, Ron mentions "Most wizards these days are half-blood anyway. If we hadn't married Muggles we'd've died out." So if you go back far enough, you're a half blood, but a pure-blood family starts somewhere right?

I'm pretty sure Draco considers Harry Potter to be a pure-blood, or he wouldn't make such an effort to befriend him on the train in Book 1. On the other hand, he could just be doing that because he knows Harry is a powerful wizard and could turn him into a Chocolate Frog if he wanted to, and he'd be better as a friend than foe. :-D

Usually I'd say that it doesn't matter, but JKR has made it very clear that it's an important theme in the books.

Someone mentioned about pureblood/halfblood being like Hitler with Jews, and going back 3 or 4 generations. Do remember, if he did that, he would be killed by his own men; he was a quarter Jewish himself.

Someone else also contradicted themself by saying Riddle was halfblood becuase he had a Muggle parent, and Harry was halfblood because he had a Muggle-born parent. Big difference. The definition of pureblood is someone with two magical parents, not with two parents who are pureblood or halfblood.

Originally posted by PineFresh
I'm pretty sure Draco considers Harry Potter to be a pure-blood, or he wouldn't make such an effort to befriend him on the train in Book 1. On the other hand, he could just be doing that because he knows Harry is a powerful wizard and could turn him into a Chocolate Frog if he wanted to, and he'd be better as a friend than foe. :-D

I think the latter's more likely. Judging from Voldemort's speech in GoF, Harry seems to have amassed a certain amount of fear and respect in Death Eater circles. Think what a coup it'd be to turn him to their side, or at least be in a position to hand him over when the time came.

What is so difficult about this? Yes Lily is magical, but so is Hermione. They. Were. Both. Muggle. Born. This means that James, who is a pureblood (at most, it is more likely he is a half himself) and Lily (muggle blood) produced a half blood child.

Now that we've taken the logical approach, for those who still disbelieve, I beg of you to take JKR's word. She does know what she is talking about...most of the time.

Bilbo, there is a difference between a Muggle and a Muggle-born wizard. A pureblood is someone whose parents are magical, whether muggle borns,halfbloods or purebloods. If it had to be 2 pureblood parents, most people would be halfbloods.

Well, Harry isn't Muggle born as his parents were wizards, but that doesn't change the fact he has Muggle blood in him via his mother's side.

Originally posted by robert
If it had to be 2 pureblood parents, most people would be halfbloods.

Most witches and wizards are half-bloods. To quote Ron Weasley in CoS, "Most wizards these days are half-blood anyway. If we hadn't married Muggles we'd've died out."

What is so horrilbe about Harry being a half-blood? Why can't it be accepted?

Think about this...if Lily is a pureblood wizard then so is sister Petunia...surely we all can agree that can't be.

Ok, we have 4 situations here:

Harry - halfblood (mother muggle and father pureblood)
Ron - pureblood (mother and father pureblood)
Hermione - mudblood (mother and father muggle born)
Tom Riddle/Voldemort - halfblood (mother witch and father muggle)

Now, let's try these (it's just examples!):

If Hermione (mudblood) and Ron (pureblood) come to have a child, their baby will be halfblood even with Hermione been a witch, because she is muggle born.

If Harry (halfblood) come to have a child with Hermione (mudblood) the same thing will happen, the child will be halfblood.

What about someone who has a father/mother pureblood and the other parent is halfblood? Or a father/mother muggle and the other parent halfblood? He/She will still be halfblood even with one of his/her parents having a wizard blood?

In the 4 situations that I mentioned before we don't have these 2: a pureblood with a halfblood or a muggle with a halfblood. If even in these cases a person is halfblood it means that when you (pureblood) have a child with a muggle or a halfblood will you be *dirtying* your future generations forever. You will never be able to have a grand grand grand son pureblood.

Sorry to continuing this conversation but that matter has been in my thoughts a long time and since I can't ask Rowling directly, I'm here. ;)

Jessica.

Lily Evans-Potter was not a muggle...she was muggle-BORN, but she was a witch, nonetheless.

i'm very sure that Harry's a pureblood.

He is, no doubt.

One last time...Lily may have been a witch, but she had muggle parents, hence there is some muggle blood in her. This was passed down to Harry, making him a half blood. We're not talking about his cousins or great grandparents...his MOTHER had muggle blood.

What is so horrilbe about Harry being a half-blood? Why can't it be accepted?



I never even considered the issure till I came across this thread. But I'm thinking, it could be very important if Harry is considered a half-blood. Think about it, two of the most powerful wizards being of Half-Mudblood descent? Here's the issue I think is REALLY important. I've heard theories (good ones) that perhaps Harry and James are heirs of Godric Gryffindor, and if that were true, it would certainly be in the spirit of Gryffindor to be a half-blood.

On the other hand, I'm a bit confused. If Slytherin wanted so badly to weed out the Muggle-borns, why is Tom Riddle, Salazar Slytherin's heir part Mudblood? I mean, if Slytherin doesn't care, then I suppose Tom would be considered a pureblood, and in that case, Harry would too. I'm not sure, I'm just confused on the subject.

I'm not sure, I'm just confused on the subject.

Yes me to. But I came up with a theory.

First of all let me say that I don’t really care if Harry is a PUREBLOOD or a HALFBLOOD; my opinion on him is the same, whatever his blood status is. However, I got interested in these blood combinations.
There are four “categories” of people in the HP universe: MUGGLE, MUGGLEBORN, HALFBLOOD and PUREBLOOD. We all agree that Harry is not a MUGGLE or a MUGGLEBORN, so the doubt here is between HALFBLOOD and PUREBLOOD. In my opinion, he is a HALFBLOOD; though both of his parents are wizzards, his mother is a MUGGLEBORN. I think that you can only be considered a PUREBLOOD if at least all of your grandparents are wizzards.

Here are how the combinations go, in my opinion (and accepting that you have to consider the granparents):
1- MUGGLE+ MUGGLE= MUGGLEBORN (like Lily or Hermione, for example)
2- MUGGLE+ MUGGLEBORN= HALFBLOOD: all of your granparents are MUGGLES, but one of your parents is a wizzard (there isn’t any known case in the books)
3- MUGGLE+HALFBLOOD= HALFBLOOD: you have three MUGGLE grandparents and one wizzard grandparent (there isn’t any known case in the books)
4- MUGGLE+PUREBLOOD= HALFBLOOD: you have two MUGGLE grandparents and two wizzard grandparents (like Tom Riddle, for example)
5- MUGGLEBORN+HALFBLOOD= HALFBLOOD: you have three MUGGLE grandparents and one wizzard grandparent (there isn’t any known case in the books)
6- MUGGLEBORN+PUREBLOOD= HALFBLOOD: you have two MUGGLE grandparents and two wizzard grandparents (apparently, that is Harry’s case)
7- HALFBLOOD+PUREBLOOD= HALFBLOOD: you have three wizzard grandparents and one MUGGLE grandparent (there isn’t any known case in the books)
8- PUREBLOOD+PUREBLOOD= PUREBLOOD: all of your grandparents are wizzards (like Draco Malfoy or all the Weasley children, for example)

Well, some of these cases are more of ¼ blood then HALFBLOOD, but we never see that expression in the books, so I guess that those cases could be generalized as HALFBLOOD. To sum up: if you have at least one MUGGLE grandparent you are considered as a HALFBLOOD; if your parents and all your grandparents are wizzards, you are a PUREBLOOD. For example, if Harry and Ginny had children, those children would be PUREBLOODS, because all of their grandparents were wizzards, even though Harry is considered a HALFBLOOD.
I hope you all understood my theory, I realise it’s a bit confusing…

And now, another thing that I’ve just remembered: what about SQUIBS? If they go into these combinations, should we consider them as MUGGLES, since they have no powers, or as wizzards, since they come from a wizzard family (like Filch, for example)? How do they get into this logic?

Well, this is getting deep…

Anyway, this “Mudblood”/Pureblood thing is not important. I just think it is an interesting thought to go with.

For a theory on this go to this (http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/bloodstatus.html) site.

I think you've just sorted that out, venus.

My take on it is: if you are only going by parents, Harry is a pureblood.

But if you go by grandparents, he is three-quarter blood (assuming James was pureblood). Which is quite enough to make narrow-minded people prejudiced against him.

Incidentally, does Malfoy's hatred of Harry have anything to do with his ancestry? Or is it just because Harry didn't want to be Malfoy's friend?

Originally posted by Puffskein

My take on it is: if you are only going by parents, Harry is a pureblood.



How? Lily, although a witch was the daughter of muggles...she has some muggleblood in her. Besides, we don't know about James' parentage.

Lily was 100% witch regardless of who her parents were..

Muggle to witch is so strange than any other thing when it comes to blood lines.

When she became 'magical' she shed her muggleness.

Originally posted by Bilbo
How? Lily, although a witch was the daughter of muggles...she has some muggleblood in her. Besides, we don't know about James' parentage.

EVERYONE has a bit of muggle blood in them. How do you think magic got started? Magical people are....mutated Muggles, lol.

Harry is pureblood no matter what any of you say :rasp:

AND no matter what JKR says eventhough she's the author. She's made mistakes before. Maybe one of us should write her a letter asking her, and explaining all the reasons why Harry is, litterally a pureblood, but technically a half-blood.

No, that doesn't make sense! To be HALF BLOOD you have to have a 100% Muggle parent. Lily was not 100% Muggle. She was a witch.

Which concequently makes harry....1/4-blood :D

I kinda pulled that one out of thin air. But that doesn't make him purblood. It doesn't make him half-blood either. He's closer to pureblood though. Ok I'm rambling and making no sense at all so I might as well end this before someone gets hurt. ;D

thank you, darlingchild! Harry is a PUREBLOOD, because both parents are with/wizard. Even though Lily was muggleborn, she is still a witch! HALFBLOOD is when you have a wizard and a 100% muggle with NO MAGIC at all!!

For cryin out loud.. People getting so defensive, like this is all real and poor Harry Potter is getting a whole lot of **** he doesn't deserve..even though he isn't in the first place. No one in the books thinks any less of Harry except for people like the Malfoy's. Why can't people just accept that the half-blood theme IS a major part of the books because that is why Draco, his father and their friends view him. Maybe the Weasley's don't care, or the Grangers, the MoM or 90% of Hogwarts. But to the other 10% and the rich nasty families, its a huge difference. Prejudice is an ongoing theme even if its not about Harry. Other Hogwarts students are probably looked upon as not good enough by "pure blooded" families, but that's their (Draco and such) opinion and their opinion is what causes the problems.
Maybe JKR doesn't think Harry is a half-blood, but to make her point, he has to be viewed as one. You can argue whether Harry is pureblood, but that wouldn't make a difference to Lucius. Even if Harry's grandmother was a muggle born witch, he'd still be dirty because they're that prejudiced.
JKR didn't make a mistake, she intentionally made it that way.

Originally posted by DarlingChild

Harry is pureblood no matter what any of you say :rasp:

AND no matter what JKR says eventhough she's the author.

So the author's intentions/expertise mean nothing to you..?

Harry. Is. A. Halfblood. Now take a deep breath, sigh, accept it and please move on.

Originally posted by Bilbo
So the author's intentions/expertise mean nothing to you..?

Thank you for putting it so eloquently, Bilbo. Some of you are being so contemptuous towards JKR's intelligence. Yes, she has made minor errors in the past (eg Marcus Flint, Priori Incantatum) but I doubt she would subconciously repeat such a significant error in two books.

Lily has the same "blood" as Petunia. Does this mean that if, hypothetically speaking, Petunia had a child with James Potter he/she would be a pureblood also?

Think of it this way: Lily is a witch with muggle blood. There is nothing pure about her bloodline. James, on the other hand, is a pureblood. Therefore when you cross muggle blood with pure blood you get a half-blood (what Harry is).

Accept this fact. Let's move on. :)

Ok, that was just my guess, I might be wrong. But you have to admit that you can't get only parents into account. Maybe "Halfblood" wouldn't be the right definition for Harry, maybe that would be 1/4 blood. But I think that he can't be a "Pureblood".
Anyway, as I said before, that is not really important.
As someone else said, please, lets move on...

In an interview I was reading lastnight JK does say Harry is a Halfblood although both is parents are wizards.

<- still beleives he is pure blood... but I will take the authors word.

I'm not accepting the fact that harry is half-blood. Because he isn't. If Petunia had a kid with James, THEN the kid would be half-blood. Lily didn't have the same blood as Petunia. She was a witch therfore she had magical blood. Part of reading fantasy books is that you get to see things the way you want see them. I see Harry as a pureblood. you people may see him as a half-blood...thats your opinion. I will not sit here and have you people tell me that what I think and what I see is wrong.

No more personal attacks people. :D That's what 'DEBATES' are all about. You try to convince the other side of your theory, and the other side tries to convince you. So far, my theory hasn't budged. :smile:

Originally posted by venus1818
Yes me to. But I came up with a theory.

First of all let me say that I don’t really care if Harry is a PUREBLOOD or a HALFBLOOD; my opinion on him is the same, whatever his blood status is. However, I got interested in these blood combinations.
There are four “categories” of people in the HP universe: MUGGLE, MUGGLEBORN, HALFBLOOD and PUREBLOOD. We all agree that Harry is not a MUGGLE or a MUGGLEBORN, so the doubt here is between HALFBLOOD and PUREBLOOD. In my opinion, he is a HALFBLOOD; though both of his parents are wizzards, his mother is a MUGGLEBORN. I think that you can only be considered a PUREBLOOD if at least all of your grandparents are wizzards.

Here are how the combinations go, in my opinion (and accepting that you have to consider the granparents):
1- MUGGLE+ MUGGLE= MUGGLEBORN (like Lily or Hermione, for example)
2- MUGGLE+ MUGGLEBORN= HALFBLOOD: all of your granparents are MUGGLES, but one of your parents is a wizzard (there isn’t any known case in the books)
3- MUGGLE+HALFBLOOD= HALFBLOOD: you have three MUGGLE grandparents and one wizzard grandparent (there isn’t any known case in the books)
4- MUGGLE+PUREBLOOD= HALFBLOOD: you have two MUGGLE grandparents and two wizzard grandparents (like Tom Riddle, for example)
5- MUGGLEBORN+HALFBLOOD= HALFBLOOD: you have three MUGGLE grandparents and one wizzard grandparent (there isn’t any known case in the books)
6- MUGGLEBORN+PUREBLOOD= HALFBLOOD: you have two MUGGLE grandparents and two wizzard grandparents (apparently, that is Harry’s case)
7- HALFBLOOD+PUREBLOOD= HALFBLOOD: you have three wizzard grandparents and one MUGGLE grandparent (there isn’t any known case in the books)
8- PUREBLOOD+PUREBLOOD= PUREBLOOD: all of your grandparents are wizzards (like Draco Malfoy or all the Weasley children, for example)

Well, some of these cases are more of ¼ blood then HALFBLOOD, but we never see that expression in the books, so I guess that those cases could be generalized as HALFBLOOD. To sum up: if you have at least one MUGGLE grandparent you are considered as a HALFBLOOD; if your parents and all your grandparents are wizzards, you are a PUREBLOOD. For example, if Harry and Ginny had children, those children would be PUREBLOODS, because all of their grandparents were wizzards, even though Harry is considered a HALFBLOOD.
I hope you all understood my theory, I realise it’s a bit confusing…

And now, another thing that I’ve just remembered: what about SQUIBS? If they go into these combinations, should we consider them as MUGGLES, since they have no powers, or as wizzards, since they come from a wizzard family (like Filch, for example)? How do they get into this logic?

Well, this is getting deep…

Anyway, this “Mudblood”/Pureblood thing is not important. I just think it is an interesting thought to go with.

For a theory on this go to this (http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/bloodstatus.html) site.

I think you've solved it here. :)

that was a very long qoute
:o

What they're trying to say here is Harry being Half-blood is consider to be fact. It has said in the book and JKR herself has said that he is half-blood. I know it can be a little confusing, but try to accept it as factual. It is not a lie nor a mistake.

I'm just saying it's really hard to debate on it when the answer is already in the book. It's like debating whether Voldemort is evil.

And according to wizards standards, not the fans standards because they didn't create the book, there is no 1/4, 2/4. 1/3. 1/10, or so on blood. There is only pureblood, halfblood, or muggle-born. Wizards only fall in this catagory, and since Harry isn't muggle-born or pure-blood (he has a whole family line filled with muggles), he is considered half-blood. This is important because some wizards consider blood important, and JKR has said so.

Originally posted by Hanaus
And according to wizards standards, not your standards because you didn't create the book, there is no 1/4, 2/4. 1/3. 1/10, or so on blood. There is only pureblood, halfblood, or muggle-born. Wizards only fall in this catagory, and since Harry isn't muggle-born or pure-blood (he has a whole family line filled with muggles), he is considered half-blood. This is important because some wizards consider blood important, and JKR has said so.

How do you know? You don't. Nowhere in the books has it ever said that someone can't be 1/4 blood.

I'll say it again. Part of reading a fantasy book is that you get to see things the way you alone want to. If you wanna see it that way, go ahead. I'm fine with the way I see it, so stop freaking patronizing me. I'm not stupid. And nowhere does it say that I have to believe everything that JKR says. And nowhere does it say that I have to accept any 'fact' you present to me. Give it a rest already. You're not going to change my mind. :p

This discussion is steaming up, My thoughts on harry...

i've always thought harry was a half-blood.

pure-bloods like the malfoys, go back generations when the magical and muggle world seperated. malfoys ancestors didn't marry muggles or mudbloods, so therefore they have no muggle in their blood making them Pureblood.

In Harry's case it is totally different, his mothers side were muggles, so his mother is considered to have muggle blood, even if she is a witch. James probably did have some muggle blood in him, maybe one of his grandparent's or parent's were muggleborn or muggle. Even if james was a pure blood, Harry would still be a half blood, because his mothers side of the family was Muggles.

I don't think you can just start pureblood families, If harry got married to a pure blood and his children also got married to purebloods. Harry's grandkids wouldn't be pureblooded (like the malfoys)because they'll have muggle blood in them, they won't be half blood either.

So to sum it up, to be a pureblood you have to have no muggle in your blood. So there are probably very few families who are purebloods.

I really hope that wasn't confusing, it's only what i think is right, i could be wrong.
:p

Originally posted by DarlingChild
Part of reading a fantasy book is that you get to see things the way you alone want to.

You're absolutely right. Another part of reading is that you must accept facts. Particularly, facts that have been verified by the author . Harry is a half blood. Deal with it and move on.

No question about it, Harry is PURE BLOOD!

His mum may have been born in a muggle family BUT she is a witch and so is Harry's dad; that makes him PURE BLOOD.

Lily. was. muggleborn. She. has. muggle. blood. in. her. veins. So. does. Harry.

Originally posted by DarlingChild
Lily didn't have the same blood as Petunia.

Really? Then what ties Harry to the Dursleys?

I think the problem is that using "blood" as a definition is misleading. Magic probably isn't in the blood at all (that isn't to say blood can't have magical properties, but I don't think it's the ultimate source). Much as the pure-bloods want to deny it, we've all got the same red stuff running through our veins.

Nope, hehehe. FULL blood.:whistle:

We are sure Lily was muggleborn.
We can guess James was pureblood, i'm not sure if it's specified anywhere.

We also know that Voldie was half-blood (father is a muggle)

The book says Harry is a half-blood.

That would make sense if we follow these guidelines:

If both parents are muggle: muggle-born
if all grand-parents or great-grandparents (2 or 3 generations...) are magical, then pureblood
else half-blood

Exfor Harry: his grandparents on his fathers side are wizards but on his mothers sides, muggles) 2/4 of his grandparents are wizards, Harry would be a half-blood

Following that theory (let's onlygo back 2 gen.), if one of Lily's parents was a magical, Harry would still be half-blood. BUT his son COULD be considered pureblood. Obviously, Harry'sparents-in-law would have to be magical.

This ignores squibs completely.. Squibs could be considered as carrying magical blood or not.. That's your choice :)

How would Harry's son be a half-blood? At the very least, he would be a quarter blood!

Originally posted by Bilbo
Harry is a half blood. Deal with it and move on.

No. Don't patronize me, I'm not stupid. Don't you dare ever tell me to accept it and move on again or else I will be very angry. You can't tell someone to change their opinion. So why don't YOU accept that fact, and move on? :)

Dear Darling Child,

Please accept my sincerest appologies. I meant in no way to come off as patronizing, pompous or condescending.

I appologize once again. Let's agree to disagree.

Everyone has differing opinions but I believe Harry should be considered pureblood. I have always assumed this before it became a big issue.
A witch and a wizard for parents=pureblood.

Originally posted by Charmed
Everyone has differing opinions but I believe Harry should be considered pureblood. I have always assumed this before it became a big issue.
A witch and a wizard for parents=pureblood.



I KNOW so, Charmed! Smart people that we are :angel: !

If you read the books very carefully (they) would also know that he's a PURE BLOOD too!:p

Well in my opinion if JK says that Harry's a half-blood then Harry is a half-blood, if JK says that Harry's a dragon with two heads and three eye-balls then Harry is a dragon with two heads and three eye-balls, if JK says that Harry is really Gandalf in disguise then she would probably have a law-suit on her hand... :) :) :)

i think that he is half-blood, becuase him and voldermort have soo much in common.

Bilbo...ok! We can agree to disagree! Thanks for apologizing...I guess I should apologize too. I'm sorry also for the way that I acted...too defensive, I guess. :D

My belief is that Harry is no a pure blood.

But then again...maybe Harry is adopted?

lol Harry wasn't adopted. He looks like his parents, remember? :p

:rotfl: :rotfl: just seeing if anyone is reading the posts.:rotfl: :rotfl:

:rotfl:

That's just like saying that VOLDEMORT is really Harry's father, and JK Rowling actually is a huge fan of Star Wars...:rotfl:

Originally posted by Emma
:rotfl: :rotfl: just seeing if anyone is reading the posts.:rotfl: :rotfl:

And how!


I still say he is a PURE BLOOD :rasp: and no (not even JK herself; she does make mistakes, will convince me:whistle: :grumble:) will change my mind :shrug::wacky::sorry:

Same here Fred :D

How can any of us say who is right or wrong when we don't know how JKR is defining pure blood? We haven't been told explicitly how many generations of wizard ancestors you need to be considered a pure blood. The fact that Harry has been referred to as non-pureblood suggests that you need more than just wizard parents to be considered pureblood in JKR's world, which she created and knows better than all of us. If the pureblood matter is going to be important, she should have clarified the definition by now, or do it soon.

I agree with Picko, if JKR says that Harry is half-blood then I accept him being a half-blood, I mean she is the author.:rolleyes:

Also, this can't be a mistake, yes she makes mistakes, but she doesn't make the mistake twice nor do I think she will make the mistake in an interview.

Personally, I say that Harry is a half-blood. If it was only from having a witch and a wizard as your parents, why are people like the Malfoys so stuck up about their PURE blood. If it was so easy to become a pure-blood, it wouldn't be such a big deal.

In CoS, Ernie Macmillan says to Harry "I might tell you that you can trace my family back through nine generations of witches and warlocks and my blood's as pure as anyone's...". Note the nine generations mentioned, on both sides of the family. It takes more than wizarding parents to make you a pure-blood. If you count from a muggleborn witch/wizard, who marries into a pure-blood family and all decendents do the same, I would say that it would take (including the muggleborn) 5 generations to become a pure blood (1/16. I think this is what was used for confirming people of Aboriginal decent to be 'white', in Australia's bad old days)

Do you remember Malfoy asking Harry (SP/SS) if his parent was one of there kind?? And Harry saying, YES! That both is parent are witch and wizards.


OR when (GOF) the Deatheaters going after the muggles AND mudbloods, who they look to? Hermione, NOT Harry! Only the Pure bloods would be left untroubled!

I feel the books don't explain it to MY satisfaction, wheatear he is or not!

There are many such inference in the (all four) that makes me think that he IS a pour blood!

I have not read all of the posts on this thread, so thousands of apologies if I am repeating a far wiser poster than I.

This is how I see it might work.

If you base it on the same principle as genes in a basic sense.

Perhaps you can have both a Wizarding Gene and a Muggle Gene.
Then it would follow that you can have both Dominant and Recessive of each type of gene. ie.

Wizard Dominant = W
Wizard Recessive = w
Muggle Dominant = M
Muggle Recessive = m

So, Lily's parents COULD have possessed Muggle Dominant genes and Wizarding Recessive genes ; Mw + Mw
Giving rise for their children to have the possible combinations of
MM; Mw; wM; ww
Perhaps that was why they were so pleased to have a 'Witch in the family' as only one in four combinations would have resulted in a Wizard/Witch.

So taking that and combining it with James, for sake of argument let's say his gene type was: Ww

Then the combinations for Harry would be:

Ww + ww = Ww; Ww; ww; ww

No Muggle genes at all, does that make him a pureblood?

This would obviously mean that there are dozens of combinations for pairings of genes - perhaps this is why there are Wizards of such varying talent and ability. It would also explain the possibilities of getting squibs etc.

Anyhow, it was just a thought.

Woah tcboo, that was some intense thinking. I see what you mean...and I must agree!

No, No. If both your parents are full wizards you should be a pure-blood. That's what I've always been told.

*sigh* I don't think anyone will be satisfied until it's actually explained in the books, right? I hope book 5 will make it more clear.

More evidence that Harry's a halfblood. Near the end of Chapter 24 of Goblet of Fire, Hagrid says this:

'Yeh know what I'd love, Harry? I'd love yeh to win, I really would. It'd show 'em all... yeh don' have to be pureblood ter do it. Yeh don' have ter be ashamed fo what yeh are. It'd show 'em Dumbeldore's the one who's got it righ', lettin' anyone in as long as they do magic. '

Hagrid says it, not a prejudiced Malfoy. Hagrid, who loves Harry more than anyone thinks Harry's a halfblood.

And I'm sick of people saying that "The definition of a pureblood wizard is..." Since when is there a definition of -any- kind of wizard? Where did you look, Webster's dictionary or the Oxford one? No? Oh wait..that's because its fantasy and there is no factual definition. criminey...

remember what semus said in the film and book 1?

"im half and half, me dads a muggle. nasty shock for him when he found out".

same as harry, cept its lilly who is muggle born, not meaning its pure.

I also found a really good essay on this subject. Click here (http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/bloodstatus.html).

Very cool, tcboo. Mendelian squares are fun, aren't they? :D

Of course, it sort of assumes there's only one gene for magic. There could be a whole bunch that need to be activated, which makes things even more complicated.

In Chamber of Secrets, When Riddle compares himself to Harry, Riddle
says that they are both half bloods. However, Lily and James were both wizards. This is abviously causing a good arguement for both side of this arguement. Lily was muggle-born, but also a wizard. You have to ask yourself - How are pure-blood families started in the first place? This issue is honestly a matter of opinion, therefore noone can actually be wrong. :coolblue:


>> Spitf1re :angry:

I think Harry is a pureblood. It's if the parents that matter if they were magical. Not the WHOLE family line.

Is it June 21st YET?!:??:
NO!?!?!:banghead:

It will be interesting if she can clear it up at all. If she can, she will be doing a much better job than the United States government. Ever since the census, birth certificates, and racial classifications in general began in the U.S., there have been controversies over how people identify themselves. There are continuous legal battles over who qualifies for certain benefits, affirmative action programs, and positions. There are some statutory principles that have been put in place, but for issues that they don't apply to, there is an extremely complicated and subjective test that is used which considers factors such as self-identification, family history, and community identification, among other things.

So anyways, where I am going with this is that I am beginning to think that in trying to figure out whether Harry is considered a pure-blood or half-blood, I have perhaps missed the point. To people like the Malfoys, Harry may never be considered a true pure-blood if his mother was, in fact, muggle-born - speculation about his mother's family to the contrary aside for the moment.

Let me bring in another real-world example that is sticking in my head. If anyone has studied U.S. race relations, you are probably familiar with a court case from the late 1800s called Plessy v. Ferguson. It represents a particularly shameful time in American History where the Supreme Court said that segregation is OK and validated the standard of "separate but equal." What most people don't know about the case is that there is a sub-issue that wasn't heard by the Supreme Court on appeal, and only mentioned in by the Supreme Court in an unobvious footnote. The lawyers who represented Plessy, a man who was charged with riding in a train car reserved for whites, actually based half their case on the fact that Plessy considered himself to be white. Plessy's ancestors were of mixed, primarily white heritage, and he never thought he was sitting in the wrong car in the first place. Yet others not able to agree as to who got to sit where is the reason that the unjustness of the "separate but equal" system as a whole was even questioned in the first place. Unfortunately and appallingly, the Supreme Court was not ready to leave their prejudice behind them regarding the separate but equal issue and acknowledge the fact that separate but equal would never truly be equal because of the very prejudice that lead to Plessy's arrest in the first place, and thus the practice of separate railroad cars was allowed to continue for many more decades.

So my point is that while what Plessy was saying he was in the right car in the first place, no definitive decision was ever reached on that issue, largely due to the preconceived notions and prejudices of the time. The bigger and more important issue involved in the case was that the system as a whole was unjust and needed to be addressed - even though the Supreme Court themselves had too many prejudices and preconceived notions to see that at the time. People never have and never will agree upon a standard that decides who is considered to be what. Harry is considered different things by different people, as is Hermione, but what is important is that they figure out for themselves and not worry about whether or not other people accept them for that. I have provided a link here if people are interested in reading the reasoning in the case, right issue with wrong conclusions, in its entirety.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=163&invol=537

Just as a clarification, I am not saying that there is anything wrong with all the speculation about what secrets his mother's side may hold. What I am saying is that I think I missed the mark in trying to figure out how to classify someone whose parentage we are sure on as pure-blood or half-blood because there is likely not an answer as to what someone with all wizards on his father's side and only a mother who is magical on his mother's side is technically considered. People will consider Harry what they want to consider Harry, but Harry is both a wizard and, as he says, "just Harry."

When I put Filch's squib status in this light, Filch having faced such prejudice and being unable to fully come to term with and accept his identity (hence the quickspell course) because of the outside prejudice that he faces, his bitterness and nastiness become much easier to empathize with.

We can also the same type of prejudice going in the opposite direction in the muggle world - the Dursleys desire to be normal and the witch trials Harry studies as two examples.

Make any sense? If not, let me know and I will clarify. If so, any thoughts?

Taken from a forum in IMDB (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/board/nest/800617):

In CoS, in chapter 7 "Mudbloods and Murmurs" Ron says "It's mad. Most wizards these days are half-blood anyway. If we hadn't married Muggles we'd've died out" which can be taken to mean either that most of the Wizards have a muggle parent at least (like Seamus and Hermione) or that they have some muggle in their family tree (like Harry whose maternal grandparents were muggles and Voldemort, whose father was a muggle), which is why they are both (Harry and Voldemort) half-blood.

Think of it this way: If everyone in your family is, say, English then you are English. If one of your parents is English and the other is, say, French then you are half English and half French. If one of your grandparents is French then you are not pure English technically speaking, though it doesn't make much difference practically speaking. And just like in many countries nowadays it is almost impossible not to have some foreign blood from a few generations ago (because of all the wars and invasions...) so are most wizards with some muggles relatives, ether direct or more or less remote.

All in all, being muggle born or pure-blood doesn't matter, like shown by Hermione (a brilliant muggle born wizard), Filch (a Quib, that is a non-magical person coming from a magical family), Harry and Voldemort (two half blood and two of the best wizard of the time, that is, compared to his age for Harry) and Seamus (half blood that is always making things explode).

All combinations exist so being pure blood doesn't mean anything in itself, it is just some holier than thou types like the Malfoys that take it as a sign of their superiority even though Sirius Malfoy's master is himself a half-blood a bit like the Nazis glorified tall people with blue eyes and blond hair as being a superior race but their leader was a small dark haired and dark eyed man.

Which leads to the obvious (IMHO) conclusion that the emphasis on blood purity is just the magical equivalent of racism and intolerance in general, and Harry and his friend's loathing for Malfoy's attitude in that respect can be viewed as an anti-racism message in the novels, a point that is viewed from both side thanks to the Dursleys that have the same reaction Malfoy's got towards Muggles, except that they have it towards Wizards and Witches.

I think it is a good point. That is what I wanted to say, but I just couldn't find the right words to say it.


Beatrice Bottbean, I must say, great post. I think you've made a good point. In the end, we can come to the conclusion that we are what we are, no matter what other people say. Harry could be lots of things, but in the end, as you pointed out, he is "Just Harry", a boy who is trying to find out who he is and his place in the world. That's the whole point of the book, and that's how we are all Harrys in a way.

To quote Sting, in "Englishman in New York": "Just be yourself, no matter what they say".

Sorry if somebody already said this but Harry is half-blood because JK said it... not only in the books, but also in an interview.

Originally posted by dog star (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=113505#post113505))
Still, if Tom Riddle isn't a pureblood, then Voldemort isn't...so why is he out to kill anyone who isn't a pureblood? Is this a Hitler sort of thing? :??:


He isn't necessarily after Half-Bloods. He's after Mud-Bloods or muggleborns. Look at who the Basilisk attacked. Colin Creevy, Justin Finch-Flecthley, Hermione all Mud-Bloods. None of them are even Half. The others Penelope Clearwater, Mrs Norris, Nearly Headless Nick were all wrong place, wrong time they weren't attacked as such. Even Myrtle was a Mud-Blood Lucius told Draco that much at least. Voldemort is out to rid the world of Mud-Bloods not Half-Bloods. However, it brings an interesting point as to how long one has to come from wizards to be considered a Pure-Blood. If Harry is not a Pure-Blood because Lily was a Mud-Blood. What would happen if Harry and Hermione conceived a child? Would that child be Mud-Blood or Half-Blood? As Harry is seeming to be considered a Half-Blood and Hermione is definately a Mud-Blood therefore by the standard I have been seeing of having a wizard side of the family and a muggle side of the family equaling Half-Blood a child of Harry and Hermione would have 3 parts muggle blood (Lily and the Grangers) and 1 part wizard blood (James). Also along the same lines if said child had no magical talent would the child be a squib or a muggle?

Harry is most definately half-Blood let's examine what you've written below and I will point out the flaws in your statements
(quoted material shall be in quotes that material comes from DarlingChild unless otherwise noted)

"I'm not accepting the fact that harry is half-blood. Because he isn't. If Petunia had a kid with James, THEN the kid would be half-blood. Lily didn't have the same blood as Petunia."

Mistake # 1: Lily and Petunia have the same blood they are sisters and have the same parents. They are made from the same genetic structure just like you have the same blood as any of your sisters or brothers.

Let's look at your argument like this in the reverese. If McGonagal (Who we will assume is a pureblood for this argument we have no proof either way) and Filch (Who we know is a pure blood and happens to be a squib) were to have a child that child would be a pure-blood not a half blood. Even though Filch is a squib he's still a pure-blood, and has the same blood as his brothers or sisters who are undoubtedly all wizards or witches.

"She was a witch therfore she had magical blood. "

Mistake #2: Lily did not have Magical Blood she has muggle blood. It would be correct to say she has a magical gene. A mutation or abnormality. Petunia and Vernon are correct it is abnormal to be a wizard from a non-wizarding family.

"Part of reading fantasy books is that you get to see things the way you want see them. I see Harry as a pureblood. you people may see him as a half-blood...thats your opinion. I will not sit here and have you people tell me that what I think and what I see is wrong."

No one is doing that what they are doing is saying that you need to accept the cannon. Cannon comes from JKR not from you or me. JKR has stated that Harry is a half-blood therefore it is so.

"No more personal attacks people. :D That's what 'DEBATES' are all about. You try to convince the other side of your theory, and the other side tries to convince you. "

This bit I agree with you on.

"So far, my theory hasn't budged. :smile:"



Perhaps it has now.

This is a topic that came up in the "Petunia: a Squib" debate wher ei posted:

I think the idea of Petunia being a Squib is intruiging. The fact that their parents were *proud* of Lilly being a witch, you get the impression right from the start, indicates that there was at least prior knowledge of the magical world.

I do think that the genetic issue might cloud this discussion, although i did find that think about the brown-green gene being the same v. intruiging. My reason for this is that, unlike the examples given, excluding eyes, you're talking about rare mutations. I get the impression that, if it is genetic, the magic gene is dominant (or half-bloods would be rare), and occasionally due to mutations, the gene will switch on or off. However, I reckon the high occurence rate of muggle-borns and the low occurence rate of squibs kinda makes this argument scientifically unsound. Genetic mutations are very rare, and if this is what the above occurences are, then surely one would expect a roughly equal amount of each?

Also, the degree of magical power a witch or wizard holds... this would greatly complicate this idea, surely? and arent genetic factors like eyesight also affected by foetal conditions? this would indicate that siblings have very similar chances of developing similar traits, in turn, possibly influenced by the amount of magic or hormone regulating magic present in the womb? Although the fact that siblings can and often do have different eye-colours... but then if 2 colours are controlled by one gene, it can go some way towards explaining this, maybe? or contradict it further?

rephrasing: children, with the same genotype, can have different phenotypes. These differences are caused by hormonal changes in the womb. K. It doesnt go to explain why muggles who have one magically gifted child are likely to have successive magical children, especially as genetic mutations are rare. It could account for siblings showing different levels of ability. Oooh - perhaps Squibs are simply children with levels of magical ability so abnormally low that they appear to be non-magical?

Still doesnt explain why muggle borns are quite common. And we dont know enough about the children of Squibs to state that the magic gene doesnt turn off.

Back to the thread, Lilly had a high level of magical ability. Perhaps Petunia simply has an undetectably low level? So she could be the late bloomer, as could be Dudley.

If it's possible that climatic/ environmental changes affect hormonal levels, which i think is the case, it could also explain the high number of ppl in James' school year with the ability to become Animagi.

The thing is, i dont know if JKR decided to look at her magical world from a scientific perspective. it isnt the one i would have chosen. I havent studied genetics since GCSEs, but me being 18, her being closer to my parents' age, i'm guessing I know more about genetics than she does unless she researched the subject, it being quite young, new discoveries all the time, etc. and if so, when? she did her writing etc in cafes mainly. and why would she feel the need? She can think of magical explanations. Or, simply, magic is an unscientific thing. We cant use science to explain transfiguration or levitation or divination and no chemist would let 11 year olds try out chemicals internally or externally, supposedly edible or not (i remember purifying water in year 7, when i was 11. We were told not to drink the stuff coz we dont know what could contaminate it. Surely the same goes in Potions?). We've already seen the distinction between a half-blood and a pure-blood can be speculated at length. If it was an argument based on genetics, then a wizard/ witch is that regardless of parents, as are muggles. The wizarding world has little understanding of science. I dont see why JKR should use it to write her books.

It might be a bit garbled, and not all entirely relevant, but i think there's been a lot of cross-over here and i'm not quite sure how to link to my first posting...

Is Harry Potter not a pureblood wizard?

When re-reading the Goblet of Fire I noticed something reading between the lines Hagrid says something to question the fact that Harry is a pureblood.

BOOK: Goblet of Fire
CHAPTER: Twenty - Four (Rita Skeeter's Scoop)
CONTEXT: Harry, Ron, and Hermonie are trying to persuade Hagrid to come back and teach after the artice about Hagrid being Half Giant. Hagrid is telling Harry to win the Triwizard Tournament.

QUOTE: "It'd show'em all . . . yeh don't have to be pureblood ter do it."

WHAT?? You don't have to be pureblood to do it? What dose that mean?
Is Harry a pureblood or halfblood?

Discuss................

Harry is pureblood. His mom and dad both did magic and went to Hogwarts. I dont remember that quote I gotta go back and read it ::goes off to read the chapter::

o.O I always thought he was half, I mean I know his mum is witch and all but still...aah it's so confusing!

Why would we doubt everyone who has ever told Harry he is pureblood?

I think that by 'pureblood', they mean 'coming from a family of almost entirely wizards', which seems to be extremely rare.

By this definition, Harry would not be pureblood because we know that Lily's parents were Muggles. If you want to be politically incorrect, you could say that Harry was half-Mudblood, half-pureblood.

It is kind of confusing though, and I hope JK clarifies the whole pureblood thing sometime in the future books.

well thats whats meant by entirely pureblood. Lily was a mudblood, but she was still a witch like Hermoine. And so having both of his parents being able to do magic, he's a pureblood. Atleast thats what I think

I know this was the movie but.... Ron comments, during their discussion of mudbloods in Hagrids hut, that most wizards are halfblood or less. Or something to that effect. I am not saying that that is proof (because it is from the movie) but a pretty good explaination. Purebloods are nearly all wizard families(except for the occasional accountant). Muggle borns have no wizarding parents. Half-bloods are everyone else. I guess half blood wouldnt be the best term but who wants to keep track of the one-sixteenth bloods.....

That's why I didn't think he was a pure blood. I don't think JKR would make him pureblood, not with how the story is and what it shows.

Then this all goes back to the question of "Is Petunia a Squib?", or quite a few other threads already being discussed in The Great Hall.

There's a big thread somewhere called "Harry: Pureblood or half and half?" I don't think it's a question we can answer without knowing how JKR has chosen to define "Pureblood". The references to Harry not being pureblood suggest that you need more than wizard parents to be considered pureblood. I presume people like the Malfoys would be more picky than others about how many wizard ancestors someone needs to be worthy of their company. In any case, the point of the series is that "purity of blood" doesn't really matter.

Hello!
Harry Is a half-blood!I am pretty certain ,im sure thats what Hagrid meant when he was saying that to em,You dont have to be a pureblood,harry can show them thats not true.See Harrys mum was a mudblood(hate using that word) and his father was a pureblood(meaning his whole family where wizards)so mix them to get a half-blood.You can also be halfblood if your dad is pure and mom is total muggle(i think).
Yeah Harry is a halfblood its said in the book somewhere by hagrid but i just cant remember.
Ron is pureblood ,Harry is Halfblood and Hermione is Mudblood.
Ok then i hope i havent confused you!
Bye

It would seem that Harry is not a pure blood because of his mother's muggle connections. But we don't yet know if Lily's family were the muggles we thought they were or not. Right now I will say Harry is 3/4 Pureblood. I never noticed Hagrids comment and if I did, I didn't think much about it. Good catch!

Harry's not a pureblood. We know that already. No one has said he is. His mother was muggleborn, and his father, well we don't know do we? Harry's a half- blood. well.... kind of.

Originally posted by harp230 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=290494#post290494))
I know this was the movie but.... Ron comments, during their discussion of mudbloods in Hagrids hut, that most wizards are halfblood or less. Or something to that effect. I am not saying that that is proof (because it is from the movie) but a pretty good explaination. Purebloods are nearly all wizard families(except for the occasional accountant). Muggle borns have no wizarding parents. Half-bloods are everyone else. I guess half blood wouldnt be the best term but who wants to keep track of the one-sixteenth bloods.....


No, actually you're right because Ron says this in the book as well as the film. :cool:

In the sense of the meaning, Harry isn't pureblood. To be pure, you would have to be totally one sided. His maternal grandparents were muggles therefore, he's not "pure" in the same sense as Ron or Draco but not a mudblood like Hermione.

Can we use the term "muggle-born" instead of "mudblood"? It is much more precise and clear in meaning, besides being more polite.

How Slytherinish of me, I mean Hermione is muggle-born. :o

Originally posted by Puffskein (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=290616#post290616))
There's a big thread somewhere called "Harry: Pureblood or half and half?" I don't think it's a question we can answer without knowing how JKR has chosen to define "Pureblood". The references to Harry not being pureblood suggest that you need more than wizard parents to be considered pureblood. I presume people like the Malfoys would be more picky than others about how many wizard ancestors someone needs to be worthy of their company. In any case, the point of the series is that "purity of blood" doesn't really matter.


Here's the thread :)
Harry: Pure blood or half and half? (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4139)
I agree with your post. I think it depends on your point of view.
The Malfoy's think you need a really long line of wizards with both parents being wizards.
Voldemort even called Harry half-blood if I'm not mistaken? Despite being half himself he didn't consider Lily to be a wizard because she was muggle born? That's harsh.

I know Harry's Dad is a pureblood, but what about his mother? I'm confused on this because in some parts of the books to me, she sounds like a pureblood and others a mudblood.

Can anyone help me out on this?

Thanks!!

No she's muggle born as far as we know.

His mom isn't a pureblood, she was muggleborn. Take a look at Aunt Petunia for an example (unless you're into the theory that Petunia is a Squib, which I don't personally).

This topic was touched upon in this thread, but I haven't read the whole thing so I'm not sure what the conclusion would be:
"Harry: Pure blood or half and half?"
http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4139

I don't believe Aunt Petunia is a squib either. But, Lily was mentioned as a muggle-born.

Wasn't it Tom Riddle in COS that told Harry he had a muggle born mom? And if that is the case then he is going off of a 11 year olds memory of things she might think she knows, not by fact itself.

Where else have we heard Lily is muggle born for FACT? ((maybe an interview with JK?))

Thanks, aragog. Merging the two...

james is a wizard and lily is a witch. harry is pure blood. :)

I think that because James and Lily both had magical blood then Harry is a pure-blood. A half-blood comes from a witch or wizard and a muggle. Lily was muggleborn, not a muggle.

Harry is halfblood. Its right that both parents are magical but his mother is muggleborn that say he is halfblood. I think there are categories who is what:
Magic+Magic= Pureblood
Muggleborn+Magic= 2. Halfblood
Muggle+Magic= 1. Halfblood
muggle+muggle= Muggleborn

After that Harry is higher as Riddle but lower as Malfoy. A pureblood is someone who can show in his family in a long line magicfolk.
COS 217: I might tell you that you can trace my family back through nine generations of witches and warlocks and my blood´s as pure as anyone´s, so-"

JKR don´t make such a list like I did now but its clear in COS there are all this in there and the different and off course squibs are in I forgot. I think this list is right.

This has been discussed many times. Harry is a halfblood. Yes, both of his parents are wizzards, but is mother is a muggleborn (until/if we're told otherwise), which means that he has muggle blood in him. Therefore, he is a halfblood.

Originally posted by venus1818 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=348895#post348895))
This has been discussed many times. Harry is a halfblood. Yes, both of his parents are wizzards, but is mother is a muggleborn (until/if we're told otherwise), which means that he has muggle blood in him. Therefore, he is a halfblood.


The only way he can be muggle born if one of his parents weren't a witch or wizard. He is pureblood by the fact that both parents were a wizard and witch.

The only way he can be muggle born if one of his parents weren't a witch or wizard. He is pureblood by the fact that both parents were a wizard and witch.

I never said he was a muggleborn. I said that his mother was a muggleborn and that he is a halfblood. He has some muggle blood in him, therefore, he can't be a pureblood.

I haven't read all of this thread because it's so long but here's my input : I suppose there must be other options than pureblood and halfblood. Half-blood implies that one has only one parent that is of a wizarding family (or pure-blooded). Pure-blood implies that one has no muggle blood whatsoever. Harry must be a quarter muggle or something like that. Therefore, he's not quite a half-blood, but he's not a pureblood either. Luckily, what kind of blood a person has bears no relevance on his/her worth as either a person (or a wizard).

I agree, Snowangel. :yup: I have always thought that Harry was a quarter muggle, only because Lily came from a Muggle family. I know it's a possibility that Petunia just could have been a squib, but when Petunia mentions that her parents we're so proud to have a witch in the family, it made me think that the parents had been muggles, but delighted that Lily was a witch. Plus, if Lily's parents were a wizard and witch, then woudn't Petunia have been more accustomed to the wizarding lifestyle, and with Lily turning things into rats and toads, rather than repulsed by them? So I've come to the conclusion that Lily's parents were muggles, but that James' parents weren't, making Harry 1 quarter muggle. But like Snowangel said, it doesn't make a difference, because it doesn't seem that your type of blood shows how good of a witch or wizard you will be. Look at Hermione and Neville for example.

Book Four explores several themes-- some we've seen before like prejudice in Chamber of Secrets. We see more of that with foreign students and people with different parentage. Is that something you've been wanting to explore?From the beginning of Philosopher's Stone, prejudice is a very strong theme. It is plausible that Harry enters the world wide-eyed: everything will be wonderful and it's the sort of place where injustices don't happen. Then he finds out that it does happen and it's a shock to him. He finds out that he is a half-blood: to a wizard like Lucius Malfoy, he will never be a true wizard, because his mother was of Muggle parentage. It's a very important theme.

JKR said herself Harry is a halfblood. Interview (http://www.mugglenet.com/bbcinterview1.shtml)
Look at that. So I think this end this debate

In that quote ummm... Lily was not a muggle.. if u remember correctly in book one Aunt petunia says that Lily always came home doing spells and stuf thats why she hated her... and well we all know james was a wizard... so Hate to tell ya but Harrys a Pure-blood... lol ;)

no, harry is not a pure-blood, as you put it, pure bloods have no muggle blood in their families, is the way I see it, and Harry's grandparents were muggles! this theory i get from the fact that Ernie macmillan from Hufflepuff tells harry that he's a pure blood cos his family runs into Medieval ages with magical blood, so he's a pure blood. Harry isnt cos as far as we know, his grandparents were muggles, as Harry says to Tom Riddle that his [harry's] mother was muggle-born, which he has been told from various sources.

i thought he was a pure blood but the story goes on i realize that lily doesnt came from a wizard family so he is half wizard and half muggle..

I dunno if this has been posted, as I didn't read everysingle post here. (sorry bout that >.<) but I found some evidence (maybe?)

Page 456 of GoF (US hardcover) Its during that whole "Hagrid being a half-giant ordeal"

" 'yeh know what I'd love Harry? I'd love yeh ter win, I really would. It'd show 'e all...yeh don' have ter be pureblood ter do it. Yeh don' have ter be ashamed of what yeh are."

Look, as I'm sure many people have already said, it depends on definitions. Both of Harry's parents were magical, so, in that sense, he's a pureblood. But many of the sticklers for "purity" look at how many generations a wizard or witch can trace back as magical. So Voldemort and Malfoy would consider Harry a half-blood because his mother was Muggle-born. Very confusing, no? Kinda makees me wish everybody saw things the way Dumbledore does. Everyone who can do magic is a witch or a wizard, and that's all that that means. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think FlyingPhoenix answered it well.

If JKR say's Harry's a half blood then that's what he must be.













However.......I personally do not agree with JKR on this, let's not forget she can be flawed, she is only human (1000 Hogwarts students indeed?)
Both Harry's parents were magical, so in my eye's that would make him a pure blood. I suppose we should have more definitions, like pure blood and long line of wizard families?

But then, in the end, it doesn't matter what their blood is like.

*bump*

well Harry is a Half blood well not totally he is more then a Half blood but he isnt a pureblood becasue pure blood only come from all wizarding families and Harry mother has Muggle parents so she Lilly is a Halfblood or a Mudblood no sure about that.
But still harry has Muggle family so he is a Halfblood

Originally posted by jodiekins (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=113085#post113085))
I always thought Harry was a "pure blood" cause both his parents are magical, but then why do some people call him only a half wizard or whatever because his mother is muggle born? :??:
(By the way, happy new years everyone!) :clappy:


I think that Harry is a bit more than a half blood (call it 3/4) . Unlike Riddle both of his parents were magical although Lily's parents were muggle. Riddle, OTOH has a nonmagical parent and a magical parent.

You are all analyzing this way too much. J.K. says he is half-blood so just accept it. Heh, heh. Lineage is the key term here, Lilly is of Muggle Decent and James os of Wizard decent. What do you get when you mix someone of Irish decent with someone of Spanish decent, a person of Half-Irish and half-Spanish person. It is most likely the same with the wizarding world because blood is another word for lineage.

Well..
he is not halfblood..

Maybe as you said.. Half Pureblood..

I think Harry's actual blood that flows through him is pure blood, but his family's status is half blood since his mother is the only known magical one on her side.

It is the choices we make, rather than our lineage which reveal who we are. Great things have come of the lowly born and vice versa. These are themes which run throughout the HP books and much of western culture as well. Hagrid is half-giant, and though he has a temper, he is immensely gentle and loving and sentimental. The Malfoys are as 'well-bred' as any wizrds around, but all we have met are ignorant, nasty self-absorbed excreta.

Originally posted by Dedalus Diggle (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=414924#post414924))
It is the choices we make, rather than our lineage which reveal who we are. Great things have come of the lowly born and vice versa. These are themes which run throughout the HP books and much of western culture as well. Hagrid is half-giant, and though he has a temper, he is immensely gentle and loving and sentimental. The Malfoys are as 'well-bred' as any wizrds around, but all we have met are ignorant, nasty self-absorbed excreta.


Yeah, I wasn't saying that if your linieage is low, so is your abilities. I'm just saying that linieage is what gives us out titles. Look at Hermionie. She is Muggleborn but better thatn Ron or Draco.

ALSO:

Well..
he is not halfblood..

Maybe as you said.. Half Pureblood..

First think about what you said really hard. Okay. Math time. Pure = Whole One half of a whole = one half
Half Pureblood=Halfblood!

couldn't resist from adding my input into this thread... harry is a half blood. A pure blood family is a special lineage which contains no muggle blood ect. harry like voldermort is a half-blood because neither are members of this muggle free lineage. i also beleive if a wizard marries a muggle the resulting child is a mud blood because that child is being born into a muggle family.

ive beat areound the bush a bit to make my point that harry is a half-blood as is voldermort

I think of Harry as half-pureblood and half-mudblood(sounds better than muggleborn). Confusing? Not to me...

A weird thing:I have definitely been reading too much Harry Potter. I was on the forums yesterday and there was a thread that had the word "Mudblood" in the title. My dad walked into the room and looked at the monitor screen. I got scared, trying to cover up a "swear word" so he wouldn't see and get mad(my dad is sensitive about this). Then I got confused about what I was trying to cover. It was the word Mudblood! I actually thought it was a real curse word...

Originally posted by SirusTheVirus (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=113155#post113155))
when ur pure blood, ur family tree is full of wizards, no muggles. Lily Potter was muggle born so harry isn't fully pure


Yah......:p

One can be pure blood ONLY if ALL of his/her ancestors were ALL wizards or witch. Lily was muggleborn. That makes Harry not a pure blood but a mix. my guess is that most are a mix of some sort .If a wizard or witch has had all of his/her ancestors magical EXCEPT for one person, that still makes him/her a mix, not pure blood. Malfoys, for instance have had included ONLY those who are pure-blooded in their family. remember that hagrid said wizards/witches would have been wiped out if they didn't marry muggle/muggle-borns in CoS. It's like if a black person marries white person and their kid marries a black person he is 1/2 white., if he marries a black person, then their kid will be 1/4 white. and their descendants keep marrying black people, even after generations later, he/she will still have partial white-person inside him/her; it just decreases everytime(multiply the number by 1/2 everytime) but it doesn't disappear. the offspring(or the kid) will never be "pure" black OR "pure" white. It's hard to say the percentage for Harry because his mother was not a mix of wizard and muggle, but a pure muggle who's magical. If you assume Lily is 1/2 wizard and 1/2 muggle, then that would make Harry 3/4 wizard and 1/4 muggle (under the condition that James is pure)..


P.S. : If you don't get this, ignore it... I don't think it makes a lot of sense either..

It's mentioned several times in OoTP that Harry is a "half-blood." But everyone knows - You can even see it first hand when Harry looks into Snape's memory in the pensieve - that BOTH James Potter and Lily Evans (aka Lily Potter) attended Hogwarts, meaning they were both magical, meaning Harry would be a pure blood. Why then is he called a half blood? Is it because Lily was a muggle-born? But then he'd only have 1/3 muggle-blood... Can someone else help explain this to me? :??:

James Potter was a pure-blood.
Lily Evans was a Muggle-born, or, for want of a better word, a "mudblood".

Harry's blood, therefore, is "half pure" because his father was the only parent with pure-blood.

I hope this makes sense. :)

see, that's what I don't get. I thought that you were a halfblood only if one of your parents was a witch or wizard, like Seamus. Harry's parents are both a witch and wizard, but his mum is muggle born. Wouldn't that make Harry a 3/4 blood?

No. Blood status refers to the amount of "pure-blood" a witch or wizard has in their veins. Lily Evans didn't have a drop of pure-blood, as a Muggle-born, so this makes Harry a half-blood.

Also bear in mind that there are only three categories of blood status in the magical world "pure-blood", "half-blood" and "Muggle-born". Individuals with 3/4 blood would still probably be classified as half-bloods.

Blood talks about what you're born, i guess.

Lily was a muggle-born - like Hermione. They both have no wizard "blood" in them.

James was a pure-blood.

Therefore harry is a half-blood. Does that make sense?

Yes, the pure bloods are very snobbish in who they classify as a pure blood. Sirius talked about it with his family tree. As a result of their snobbery, most pure bloods find that they are related somehow, as they refuse to marry people with "tainted" blood.

Oh! Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I always just assumed to be 1/2 blood, one of your parents had to be a muggle...

Harry IS half-blood, because even though his parents were both magical, look at it this way: James's side of the family was probably "pure-blood", but Lily's side of the family were all Muggles. So its half and half, making Harry, thus, a "half-blood."

Harry is a half-blood, no not HALF exactly, but 3/4. Because out of 4 people/couples only 3 were wizards. James, Lily, and Grandma/Grandpa Potter, and the 1 that is not is Grandma/Grandpa Evans. He is NOT pure-blood. Sorry if I sound rude but saying he is annoys the heck out of me! The ONLY way Harry is pure blood is he is pure blood for one generation. But a TRUE PURE blood is completly WIZARDS AND WITCHES ONLY. Look at the Blacks, they are FULL pure-blood, meaning Sirius is related to a LOT of people. JK did NOT make a mitake like that. It is HER world

It's really hard to place harry into a certain "bloodgroup". And maybe this is what JK is trying to tell us, that you shouldn't put people into groups and say they are lesser wizards/humans than other. That is exactly what the nazis did.

we know james was pure blood, and going with the commonly accepted theory that lilly was a muggleborn, that wouldn't make him half and half...that'd make him, like, 1/3 or something muggleblooded, right? because lilly was still a wizard, so it can't be 1/2 and 1/2.

I don't think this discussion can go much further now that the books have basically confirmed that Harry is a halfblood according to JKR's definition. I hope no-one is still aroogant enough to pretend that they understand the fictional concept of pure wizard blood better than its creator does.

One question we can still ask is: How many wizard ancestors do you need to be classified as "pureblood"? You definitely need all your grandparents to be wizards, but the snobbier people would probably insist on many generations of wizard ancestors.

I dunno puff, interesting question.... I'm pretty sure that most pure blood families count it up to the grandparents...but the ones like malfoy and black certainly date way way back in their pure blood lines

Well, sorry, I always thought of Harry as being a "pureblood" since he had two magical parents. Unless we actually had JK's dictionary of terms as to what she means as pure, I just think he should be considered pureblood. But, thats just my opinion!
:smile:

the thing that get's me questioning about harry's blood the most is that Draco never calls harry a mudblood, just hermione...so I dunno about that one, maybe, because both his parents were magic that does make him pure, like mrs.sirius said? otherwise wouldn't harry be included in the insults? Don't mean to be arrogant in questioning this, puff--just curious!

Originally posted by M a r v o l o (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=426411#post426411))
It's mentioned several times in OoTP that Harry is a "half-blood." But everyone knows - You can even see it first hand when Harry looks into Snape's memory in the pensieve - that BOTH James Potter and Lily Evans (aka Lily Potter) attended Hogwarts, meaning they were both magical, meaning Harry would be a pure blood. Why then is he called a half blood? Is it because Lily was a muggle-born? But then he'd only have 1/3 muggle-blood... Can someone else help explain this to me? :??:



actually, you can't really say... because Lily's blood is 100% muggle but she's a witch. so It's really hard to say what percent of her is magical and what percent of her is muggle. and even if she was 1/2 muggle and 1/2 magical, that would make Harry 1/4 muggle, 3/4 magical.

Originally posted by FredRocksMySocks (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=439310#post439310))
the thing that get's me questioning about harry's blood the most is that Draco never calls harry a mudblood, just hermione...so I dunno about that one, maybe, because both his parents were magic that does make him pure, like mrs.sirius said? otherwise wouldn't harry be included in the insults? Don't mean to be arrogant in questioning this, puff--just curious!



Harry isn't 100% muggle, unlike Hermione. As far as we know, James Potter was a pure blood.

Originally posted by Puffskein (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=438611#post438611))
I don't think this discussion can go much further now that the books have basically confirmed that Harry is a halfblood according to JKR's definition. I hope no-one is still aroogant enough to pretend that they understand the fictional concept of pure wizard blood better than its creator does.

One question we can still ask is: How many wizard ancestors do you need to be classified as "pureblood"? You definitely need all your grandparents to be wizards, but the snobbier people would probably insist on many generations of wizard ancestors.



you have to have NO ONE(not a single one) as a muggle in your ancestor line if you want to be qualified for a pureblood. even if it was just one person, that makes you still partially muggle even the percentage might have decreased to 0.00000000001% over time... 0.0000000001% does not equal 0.000000000.

Originally posted by M a r v o l o (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=426411#post426411))
It's mentioned several times in OoTP that Harry is a "half-blood." But everyone knows - You can even see it first hand when Harry looks into Snape's memory in the pensieve - that BOTH James Potter and Lily Evans (aka Lily Potter) attended Hogwarts, meaning they were both magical, meaning Harry would be a pure blood. Why then is he called a half blood? Is it because Lily was a muggle-born? But then he'd only have 1/3 muggle-blood... Can someone else help explain this to me? :??:




actually, if you count lily as 1/2 witch, 1/2 muggle, that makes Harry 3/4 wizard, 1/4 muggle...

If you count Lily as 100% muggle (since she has no magical blood within herself).. then harry is half and half...

Originally posted by Robin (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=427182#post427182))
It's really hard to place harry into a certain "bloodgroup". And maybe this is what JK is trying to tell us, that you shouldn't put people into groups and say they are lesser wizards/humans than other. That is exactly what the nazis did.




He is neither pureblood or pure 'mudblood'.
As far as we know, James is pureblooded, and Lily is pure 'mudblood' (even though she is magical, she doesn't not have a single drop of magical community in her family line - none of her ancestors were pureblooded or half blooded magical...)which makes Harry half and half.

It depends how finicky you are. But people like the Malfoys and Vodlemort would call Harry a half-blood because a Muggle-born can not have a pureblood child. Like seeing people as half-Jews and quarter-Jews during the Holocaust or the Octaroon etc. divisions for people in the South in the late 19th and early 20th century. It's stupid, but it's what they believe. Oh well.

Harry is not pure blood. His mother has muggle blood since both of her parents are muggles. So Harry cannot be pure blood.

"He chose the boy he thought most likely to be a danger to him", said Dumbledore. "And notice this, Harry. He chose, not the pureblood (Which, according to his creed, is the only kind of wizard worth being or knowing), but the half-blood, like himself. "

Albus Dumbledore believes Harry is a half-blood
Volde...He Who Must Not Be Named thinks Harry is a half-blood.
Hagrid thinks Harry is a half-blood.
Harry thinks he is a half-blood.
Ron thinks Harry is a half-blood.
JK Rowling states Harry is a half-blood.
Kreacher thinks....well. :-)

Since this world is a figment of Mrs. Rowling's imagination, logic tests like genetics and parental lineage won't work any better than trying to define EXACTLY what part of a broom is changed to make it fly. (I hope I didn't just start another thread).

JK hasn't had the space to define/declare just how long it takes to purefy blood, and until she does, we have to accept what is written and believe in it. Personally I doubt she will because it goes against what she is trying to teach.

I have no problem believing that the Room of Requirement made itself available to Dumbledore and filled itself with chamber pots, even though I know not how it does this (and if memory is correct neither does Dumbledore) Does not knowing how the RoR works bother anybody?

Of course Harry isn't pure blood. Think of the logics!

Say your father is 100 percent PURE asian and your mom is of asian and american descent. That does not make you a pure-blooded asian. You're going to have what, 25 percent american in you? Magick in the family is like race. In order to be 100 percent something, all of your ancestors and family members should be pure!

I think, as well, that part of the key to this is that to be a pureblood your ancestry must be completely magical for as far back as anyone can remember. From what we read about the magical community, they have VERY long memories and records concerning their ancestry (the Black tapestry and Ernie McMillan's "nine generations" quote). I'm thinking that Harry and his descendants will be considered half-blood for as long as anyone remembers that Harry's mother was a muggle-born witch. (BTW, Harry's mother is NOT a muggle, but muggle-born. There IS a difference!)

It has been pointed out that this is a fantasy world; some people are using this to justify their position on whether Harry is a half-blood or not. I'd like to say that, yes, this is a fantasy world; but it is J.K. Rowling's fantasy world, and she has the ultimate say-so about it. She says repeatedly that Harry is a half-blood. It's her world, and I accept that Harry is a half-blood.

Well I'm really confused about this.

I always assumed that he was pure-blood. After all BOTH his parents are magical. Seamus, who's mum's a witch, but dad's a muggle, was called a half-blood. Hermione is obviously called muggleborn.

So the question is; Is having both parents magical pure-blood. Or are pure-bloods only the old-wizarding families all realted together? i.e. Weasleys, Blacks, Malfoys, Lestranges...etc.?

I think that there are basically 3 classes of wizards:

The pure-bloods (eg. Malfoys, Weasleys, Blacks) that don't have any muggle blood in them. They only marry other pure-blood families, so this class is in the minority.

The half-bloods (which i believe Harry is part of) that probably includes the majority of the witches and wizards.

And the first generation born muggle-born wizards whose parents are both muggles (eg. Hermione).

So for our trio, we have one of each class.

Hmm...think why the word blood is used to discribe ppl (pure-blood, half-blood, mudblood).
Then think...well, I'm a product of my parents...which means...their blood ruins thru my veins...so if you had two muggle parents you'd still have muggle blood...that wouldn't change EVER! You'd still be a witch/wizard...but your blood wouldn't change.

dumbledore said that Voldie chose harry over neville because of his muggle blood, like his own.

if harry and hermoine have a kid.... what will he or she be classified as??!?!

Originally posted by sharls (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=456323#post456323))
if harry and hermoine have a kid.... what will he or she be classified as??!?!


I hope that doesn't happen, but that will be 1/4 witch/wizard, and 3/4 muggle

Originally posted by alterego (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=456274#post456274))
dumbledore said that Voldie chose harry over neville because of his muggle blood, like his own.



Neville is a pureblood... but Voldemort and Harry are BOTH half bloods... (one parent muggle born/muggle, the other wizard/witch)

i think when they are talking about pureblood families it means going back a few generations. But just talking about if a person is pureblood probley is only refering to the parents. well that what i rekon anyway.

Harry should be considered a pure blood. It doesn't matter that his mother is muggleborn, she is still a witch!

Were the potters a pure blood family before?

Question: if Harry is a half-blood because of having a pure-blood father and muggleborn mother then would the child of two muggleborns be classified as a muggleborn?

Originally posted by malfoyschick (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=460672#post460672))
Question: if Harry is a half-blood because of having a pure-blood father and muggleborn mother then would the child of two muggleborns be classified as a muggleborn?



I think... not muggleborn, but muggle descendant... They wouldn't be more obvious to other people that they have muggle blood within themselves if their parents are involved with the magical community

muggleborn is someone who comes directly from a muggle family...(I think)like Hermione...

Originally posted by vickygirl4 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=459153#post459153))
Harry should be considered a pure blood. It doesn't matter that his mother is muggleborn, she is still a witch!

Were the potters a pure blood family before?



I have posted this on the previous page, but rather than asking you to go find it, I will just post it again as a reply to your post..



"One can be pure blood ONLY if ALL of his/her ancestors were ALL wizards or witch. Lily was muggleborn. That makes Harry not a pure blood but a mix. my guess is that most are a mix of some sort .If a wizard or witch has had all of his/her ancestors magical EXCEPT for one person, that still makes him/her a mix, not pure blood. Malfoys, for instance have had included ONLY those who are pure-blooded in their family. remember that hagrid said wizards/witches would have been wiped out if they didn't marry muggle/muggle-borns in CoS. It's like if a black person marries white person and their kid marries a black person he is 1/2 white., if he marries a black person, then their kid will be 1/4 white. and their descendants keep marrying black people, even after generations later, he/she will still have partial white-person inside him/her; it just decreases everytime(multiply the number by 1/2 everytime) but it doesn't disappear. the offspring(or the kid) will never be "pure" black OR "pure" white. It's hard to say the percentage for Harry because his mother was not a mix of wizard and muggle, but a pure muggle who's magical. If you assume Lily is 1/2 wizard and 1/2 muggle, then that would make Harry 3/4 wizard and 1/4 muggle (under the condition that James is pure)..


P.S. : If you don't get this, ignore it... I don't think it makes a lot of sense either.."

I read a JKR quote (I can't remember where from!) that basically said that Harry is considered a halfblood because Lily was Muggle-born.

Originally posted by Rowena Ravenclaw (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=113418#post113418))
I think Rowling's following the same rules that slaveowners used to determine whether someone was black, or the Nazis used to determine if someone was Jewish. By those standards, you had to go back at least three or four generations (sometimes more) before you could be considered "pure-blood."


Yeah and if JK Rowling said in 3 books( CoS, GoF, and OotP) that Harry is a 1/2 blood, obviously she meant it.! Duh!!! She doesn't put stuff in by accident, let alone something like that. You think ya'll know that bye now.

And the WHOLE Slythering thing.... Who was not only HALF BLOOD, but also placed in Slytherin & The Heir of Slytherin.... Hmmm TOM RIDDLE aka VOLDEMORT.! So why should'nt Harry be considered for Slytherin just because he's half blood, this is the SORTING HAT, NOT Salazar Slytherin. Remember, when it comes to the sorting hat their judged by character & choices not blood...

That be my bit.

I'm new here and i checked the search feature and i didnt get any relavant results, so here goes.
Several times thorughout the books, such as when Harry is talking to Tom Riddle in book 2, and when he is talking to Dumbledore in book 5, it is stated that harry is a half blood.
THIS IS NOT TRUE! Both his parents were wizards. The msitaek probably arose because Harry's aunt was a muggle (or squib) but Harry himself is NOT a half blood. I dont know how JK got this wrong so many times! It is quite a relavant issue because Dumbledore uses the fact that Harry is half blood to say why Voldemort chose him over Neville in the prophecy.

Actually, the only mistake here is that so many fans say this is a mistake.

It is not.

The 'half-blood' term is down to genetics, not parentage. Harry has half Muggle genetics (his mum being Muggleborn) and half wizard genetics (his dad being pure-blooded).

i assumed since his mother was not a "pure blood" then there was no way Harry could be hence him being what is known as a "half blood". The term "pure blood" and who it refered to were the wizards who could actually trace both sides of the tree back to being all procreation of wizard/witch marriages not just your direct mother/father.

I assumed that being half blood meant you have one magical parent and one muggle as a parent. In the mugglenet 'mistakes' section it is stated that harry is not half blood, as is stated in book two.

Harry is a half blood braggyboy. There is no point denying about this. Harry is a half blood becuase Lili came from a muggle family just like Hermione. So since James is a pureblood and Lily a muggle then it makes Harry a half blood. There are a lot of threads which speaks about this topic so feel free to browse through them. This may be merged with another thread or probably be closed. Sorry but i can't give you specific thread becuase sometimes the topic just comes by and in another day or two it's gone and another topic arises. So just conitnue looking. By the :welcome: to the boards braggy boy.

Originally posted by braggyboy (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=470493#post470493))
I assumed that being half blood meant you have one magical parent and one muggle as a parent. In the mugglenet 'mistakes' section it is stated that harry is not half blood, as is stated in book two.


Mugglenet have made a mistake. You see, Lily being a Muggleborn meant that she had entirely Muggle genes. The magic in her was a fluke. These Muggle genes have passed through to Harry.

With the unacceptance of 'James is a pureblood and Lily a muggle' i will be off! :no: