Harry's O.W.L. results - V 2.0

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Original post was:
At some time during this holiday Harry will be able to take the test for apparating. Who will teach him before the test....will he be allowed to apparate in the Dursleys house.

Or will Dumbledore ban him from this method of travel?

To enable Harry to become an Auror he would need to get an 'O' in his owls for potions to continue studying next year, will Snape grade him higher knowing that Harry needs the extra knowledge in his battle against Voldemort, or higher to torture him in class further.

And last post was:
For the ones who say that Harry is as powerfull as Dumbledore or Voldemort, I think I'm reading the wrong book then....

I don't think he will get even near their power, what probably will happen is that Dumbledore will die kind of stripping Voldemort of his powers and then Harry will give the final blow....

As for their O.W.L., I only expect O in Defence Against the Dark Arts, then an A or E in Transfiguration, Charms, Care of Magical Beasts and Herbology. Then probably an A in Potions, History of Magic, and D in Divination. Sorry if I missed any subject :tu:

Ah, shiny new thread! I think I'll chime on on this one:

I believe Harry will receive an O in:
Defense Against the Dark Arts (of course! :) )
Care of Magical Creatures (because of all the time he spends with Hagrid, and the care he puts into the class because he likes Hagrid)
Potions (I'm going out on a limb on this one, but here's why: Snape is a very poor teacher, so the Ministry evaluators will have lower than normal expectations for the students. Unless Hermione is going to be the only "O" in all of Hogwarts, they're going to have to allow for less-than-perfection when they award their grades. Plus, the written portion had an essay on Polyjuice potion, which Harry did very well on. And of course, Snape only takes students who achieved an "O", and we must have more of that relationship. So, I could be wrong, and he might get an E, but I'm placing my money on an "O".)

Harry will receive an E in:
Transfiguration
Charms
Herbology

Harry will receive an A in:
Astronomy (though, this might be an "E")
Divination (How the heck do you grade Divination, anyway?)

And, alas, whether he gets a P, D , or a T, Harry will never have to sit through another lecture on Goblin Rebellion from Prof Binns.

What this means: Harry will end up going much better than he expected. Now, most people would interpret that to mean that Harry is a pretty humble kid--he has abilities, but doesn't realize it. However, I believe Snape will look at Harry's good grades as more evidence of Harry's arrogance. Snape will especially hate that Harry gets an O in potions--not only does that prove that Harry knows what he's doing, but it'll prove Snape's opinion of Harry wrong. Harry will remind Snape even more of James (who got very good grades in school), and Snape will end up mistreating Harry even more.

Snape is a very poor teacher, so the Ministry evaluators will have lower than normal expectations for the students.

I suppose all the Snape-lovers will come out of the woodwork and bash you on this...

I don't think he's a poor teacher; as Umbridge said he has the students at a very high level working on difficult Potions. He's definitely not a fair teacher though.

i think harry will do way better than he usually does in potions

I suppose all the Snape-lovers will come out of the woodwork and bash you on this...
People are free to disagree, but I do hope they're above "bashing" a fellow poster.

I don't think he's a poor teacher; as Umbridge said he has the students at a very high level working on difficult Potions.
An endorsement from Umbridge? That only reinforces my opinion that Snape is a terrible teacher. ;)

Snape is a very poor teacher, so the Ministry evaluators will have lower than normal expectations for the students.Actually he seems like he's one of the best teachers Hogwarts has. He does teach them well, but the reason that some students might not do well is because he doesn't treat all the students fairly and doesn't help them much when they don't understand something. I also don't think that even if Snape was a bad teacher that the Ministry evaluators will have lower expectaions just because of his teaching abilities. It didn't seem to me that even though they have mostly had bad teachers in Defence Against the Dark Arts, that the evaluators cut them any slack. That's why Hermione came up with the D.A. because she knew that they still had to keep learning to do well on their O.W.L.s.

I think Harry did better on the Potions O.W.L than he thought he did. THe only reason he keeps doing badly in the class is because of Snape. Remember how in the book, it says that whenever Snape ignores Harry, Harry can forget that Snape is there and do well? And when Harry really concentrates on making his potions, he makes them well! The only reason his potions sometimes don't come up to par is because he has too much on his mind with Voldemort and forgets to read some instructions.

Actually he seems like he's one of the best teachers Hogwarts has. He does teach them well, but the reason that some students might not do well is because he doesn't treat all the students fairly and doesn't help them much when they don't understand something.
This is getting a bit off topic, but how can he be a good teacher if he's not fair and doesn't help his students when they don't understand?

I also don't think that even if Snape was a bad teacher that the Ministry evaluators will have lower expectaions just because of his teaching abilities. It didn't seem to me that even though they have mostly had bad teachers in Defence Against the Dark Arts, that the evaluators cut them any slack.
They've had a mix of good and bad DADA teachers, so no real reason to cut anyone any slack. And I don't think the evaluators grade more easily just because Snape is a poor teacher. Snape has been teaching for a number of years; over those years, I'm sure student results have been deteriorating. Therefore, the evaluators may have gradually graded easier over the years... not on purpose, but perhaps subconsciously.

So, I think grading will be a bit easier than it was, say, 15 years ago, because if it isn't, then only Hermione will be getting an "O" in potions, and most students will likely fail outright.

Besides, didn't McGonagall say if he wanted to become a Auror he'd have to do very well on his Potion O.W.L.s? If that's the case, Harry will have to hope he scored extrondinary on Potions. He might not be entirely happy with that though, as that means an extra year of potions if he wants to still become an Auror.

Besides, didn't McGonagall say if he wanted to become a Auror he'd have to do very well on his Potion O.W.L.s? If that's the case, Harry will have to hope he scored extrondinary on Potions. He might not be entirely happy with that though, as that means an extra year of potions if he wants to still become an Auror.

Yes, but people have started making threads about Harry and Snape becoming closer, how Snape is misunderstood, and how Harry is misunderstood, and how the two may realize how they are alike and become "somewhat" acquaintances. So an extra year of potions might not be that bad.

That is unless it's all for nothing and Harry dies in the 7th book :eyebrows:

I think that Harry did better on his potions than he thought. Snape is usally always around making him more nervous. Nah, Harry'll get that OWL-hopefully.

Harry is - contrarly to the last poster of v.1 - even MORE powerful than Voldemort. He was marqued as his equal, and has another power Voldy doesn't know. He may not realize it, but Harry must be a pretty good wizard, an even better one when in pressure - like during exams.

I think Harry will get an O on:
Transfiguration,
Defence against the Dark Arts,
Charms,
Care of Magical Creatures.
I can't remember any more subjects that he's good at.

For all of you who think he's going to get a high level in Potions, this is all I have to say,

I think the major stumbling block in Harry's OWLS is Potions - although good at that subject when left alone by Snape, nothing in the books relating to Potions classes has ever given the impression that Harry is Outstanding at it. I think it would be a great stretch of imagination for him to gain an O in Potions, yet if we
a) need to see more of the Harry/Snape relationship in the next two books, and
b) Harry is supposed to be "on track" to Auror training when he leaves school
then he needs an O for Snape to continue teaching him. I would be bathed in disbelief if Snape takes Harry for NEWT level Potions without an O in his Owl as McGonagall makes it quite clear that he absolutely refuses to take students with a lower grade.

The only realistic way round this that I can think of is that Harry gets an E or A in Potions and Snape is finally accepted for DADA teacher, so we get a new potions teacher instead of a new DADA one. The new Potions teacher would then accept students into his NEWT classes with grades lower than O............but that's the other thread!

Having said that, I do doubt the theory - even if it makes sense. Does anyone else doubt that Harry will get an O in Potions?

Well, I basifly think he will pass all of his subjects.

It seems that predictions of Harry's O.W.L.s are based on him becoming an Auror. Is an auror necessarily the only job that would be suitable for Harry? Perhaps Harry does fail potions but it isn't as bad as it seems. Yes Aurors are the DADA specialists but what if there were some other jobs that used DADA just as much and didn't need the potions qualifications?

Harry is - contrarly to the last poster of v.1 - even MORE powerful than Voldemort. He was marqued as his equal, and has another power Voldy doesn't know. He may not realize it, but Harry must be a pretty good wizard, an even better one when in pressure - like during exams.

Well, Voldemort is said to be the most brilliant student in the entire history of Hogwarts. That's quite an achievement. I doubt Harry, or perhaps even Hermione, is in the same league as Voldemort when it comes to academics.

Harry will obviously get the O in potions. JKR made sure of that with the essay question about the polyjuice potion.

I think that both Harry and Neville will do surprisingly well on the potions exam. I think it is the presence of Snape that makes them nervous.

Hermione will ace everything I'm sure.

I think they will give everyone a break on Astronomy what with the whole Hagrid fiasco and all.

I think that Smooch is right about Nevile doing GREAT on the potions test. I think Harry will do great on EVERYTHING, and surprise himself. I think that Ron will do very well to, and they both will feel better about themselves and try a little harder in the classes that they don't think are cool.

Right, we don't really know enough about what direction the books are going to go to assume that JKR will mold Harry's O.W.L. results around him becoming an auror. Will he kill Voldemort himself, and if so, how could the Ministry NOT allow him into auror training after defeating the most powerful, and most feared dark wizard in recent history? And even that won't matter if he's not alive in the first place, a possibility which despite endless discussion, we can't rule out.

So here's what we have to consider when predicting Harry's scores: how skilled to we know him to be in each subject, and is it possible he could outdo himself? Perhaps even the stress of the testing environment might effect his perfomance - if that's so, I lean towards him doing better under that pressure, rather than worse, seeing how he has behaved going up against Quirrel, Tom Riddle, Sirius, dozens of Death Eaters and Voldemort himself.

:)

Charms is a subject Harry seems to be good at, as far as I can see. If I recall, he thought he did fine on that O.W.L., and I think we can trust that. I give him an E or an O.

Defense Against the Dark Arts has always been the class where Harry shines. Also lending itself to better scores is the fact that by the time his work will be given a final grade, everything he told Rita Skeeter, the Quibbler and ultimately the Daily Prophet, will be confirmed. Going up against the Dark Lord just once says something about your Defense Against the Dark Arts abilities, if you ask me. I give him an O for Outstanding.

Transfiguration is iffy - certainly Professor McGonagall had confidence in his ability to do well on the test. She advised him to work extra hard on his work - but we don't really know whether he did, or did not. Still, Harry made a few mistakes during the test, something which will go against him. I give him an A or an E.

Potions, well, having Snape stare down your neck and delight in giving you zeros has got to be a roadblock. Because of that, Harry hasn't had too much preparation for the test, but it also means it's easier to work without Snape. I see him getting at least a good enough grade to get into Snape's N.E.W.T. potions class, because there's still a lot to work out between the two of them, and the books would be more enjoyable with him in that class for another few years. So whatever that passing score McGonagall mentioned was, that would definitely be my prediction.

Care of Magical Creatures is the class Harry puts extra effort into just to please Hagrid. The same goes on his O.W.L. in that subject, so I give him an O for Outstanding.

Herbology, well, who knows. I haven't seen much regarding Harry's ability in the green house, unlike Neville, who's obviously going to ace his green thumb O.W.L. easily. When we learn Harry's scores in book six, I see entire paragraphs dedicated to Potions, Transfiguration, DotDA and Care of Magical Creatures, but I see a sentence or two dedicated to Herbology, something stuck in there cuz it has to be. Perhaps we'll see him comparing his scores with Neville's, in which case it would work better if his score was worse, which means no O's on this one. I give him an A for Acceptable.

Divination is most likely to be a D. Or a T, if they actually exist. ;D

:)

Harry is going to clean up with OWL results. I think he will be very surprised when the results come in because of how well he does. Hermione is going to get perfect scores on all of her OWLs, probably scoring the best out of any student Hogwarts has ever had.

I believe Harry will get an O in DADA, and in potions he will get the lowest possible grade to allow him into N.E.W.T.s so that Sanpe can make fun of him for it :)

Who cares about Herbology?

-NMP

is it possible he could outdo himself? Perhaps even the stress of the testing environment might effect his perfomance - if that's so, I lean towards him doing better under that pressure, rather than worse, seeing how he has behaved going up against Quirrel, Tom Riddle, Sirius, dozens of Death Eaters and Voldemort himself.
:tu: Excellent point, Remmie! Harry tends to shine when he's under pressure, and OWL tests are definitely a pressure situation.

I believe Harry will get an O in DADA, and in potions he will get the lowest possible grade to allow him into N.E.W.T.s so that Sanpe can make fun of him for it :)

-NMP

The lowest grade Snape will accept into his NEWT potions class is O - the highest grade possible in the OWL tests. McGonagall says during Harry's careers consultation in OOTP that Snape absolutely refuses to take anyone with a lower grade.
I still think that Harry having Potions classes will be essential to books six and seven because it is his only interaction with Snape - it would be very odd if he didn't take Potions any more.

The only grade that is really important (as the others we can reasonably guess to a degree) is potions. Due to the whole relationship between Snape and Harry I suspect Harry will get his O in potions. Harry not having Snape as a teacher any more would take away from the story I suspect. Also keep in mind that McGonagall was rather admant about insuring that Harry gets his required grades for progressing onto the required courses to become an Auror, Rowling may not of actually wrote about his tutoring sessions with McGonagall but it could be one of those things which Rowling expects us to figure out ourselves (similar to Harry taking back the Marauders Map in GoF). With being tutored by McGonagall I suspect Harry would be capable of achieving an O in potions as he has been shown to actually be able to do quite well in potions when Snape is not breathing down his neck.

I don't think his grades will be great, but at least they will be sufficent for him to be able to become an auror.

I don't think his grades will be great, but at least they will be sufficent for him to be able to become an auror.

Except in order to get on the path to becoming an Auror he needs great grades.

The lowest grade Snape will accept into his NEWT potions class is O - the highest grade possible in the OWL tests. McGonagall says during Harry's careers consultation in OOTP that Snape absolutely refuses to take anyone with a lower grade.
I still think that Harry having Potions classes will be essential to books six and seven because it is his only interaction with Snape - it would be very odd if he didn't take Potions any more.
:tu: I like this theory and I agree. The only other way that Harry could have interaction with Snape is via Occlumency lessons... and thats if Harry / Snape even takes up Occlumency again.

Apart from that, I think Harry will achieve the required results to become an Auror... I don't have the book at hand so I can't list them :p. Either that, or JKR will make Harry miss out on one of the required marks and make Harry's career decision harder... we all know how she puts plot twists into the stories.

I think that Harry was quite good. Everybody would learn enough for his O.W.L.s to get what you want and Harry also did so.

Apart from that, I think Harry will achieve the required results to become an Auror... I don't have the book at hand so I can't list them
To start Auror trainging, Harry will need 5 N.E.W.T grades of E or above. In order to take the NEWT-level classes (if everything remains as it is), he needs a O in potions, an E in Transfiguration, and (IIRC) an E in Charms. And of course, top grades in DADA.

I suppose if Harry doesn't get the grades Snape or McGonagall or Flitwick require to take their NEWT-level classes, he can do self-study (or Hermione-led study) and take the NEWTs without actually having the classes. But that's not as much fun for the story.

Well, someone pointed the theoory that Snape might finally become the DADA teacher, and then another potions master comes to Snape's place, and as everyone, including me, believes that Harry will get O in DADA, Snape will have to accept him into his class.

That would be the most logical, I mean, he's been **** at potions for five years in a row, and then he gets the best grade?

And about being under pressure, I agree with that, he's the one who can make things work at the hardest times, but it is not always: Being watched by Snape has a lot more pressure than doing O.W.L.'s without him looking.

I mean, he's been **** at potions for five years in a row, and then he gets the best grade?
Harry hasn't been, er... bad... at potions.... Snape has given him bad grades, but the grades Snape gives out don't seem to correlate well to actual performance. (And not only for Harry!)

Harry hasn't been, er... bad... at potions.... Snape has given him bad grades, but the grades Snape gives out don't seem to correlate well to actual performance. (And not only for Harry!)


That's true, but O is still exaggerated

Charms- E; probably not an O. Harry's levitation was good, but he mixed up the incantations for color-change and growth charms. However, the professor rating him for charms was a bit Harry-struck, so that may inflate his grade.

Herbology- E. Harry had a small bite from a fanged geranium, but otherwise felt he did well.

Dark Arts- O, or course.

Potions- A. Harry felt that he had merely avoided failure, not achieved a good grade.

Care of Magical Creatures- O.

Divination- D. Predicted the professor would meet a round, dark, soggy stranger.

Astronomy- D. Was only through 2/3 of his chart when 5 minutes left was announced.

History of Magic- D. A little too interested in Pavarti's hair and too little interested in the test.

Transfiguration- O or E. Can't find anything in canon, so just going off optimism.

Harry will get E or O in Potions. O is not impossible or far-fetched:

- Harry passed the potion exam sat the end of his first and third year (and the tests won't have been too easy: Snape himself has set and marked them )
- he is only bad in Potion-making when he doesn't concentrate enough
- most of the time Snape is the reason for this lack of concentration
- Snape is a very demanding teacher (even Hermione didn't get O in her first homework in OotP)
- his description of the effects of the Polyjuice Potion must be brilliant for a fifth-year.

There's definatly something there with the whole potions thing. Snape is a key character in the plot and has been kept so, largley due to his lessons, therefore harry will more then likely sit N.E.W.T. potions, though im not sure he'll get an O in his O.W.L's. I think it's more likely he'll get to sit potion because of some bargain or favor settled with Snape

In Harry's own words, he did not feel that he did a great job in potions. It seems contrary to canon to expect Harry to get an O in potions. The polyjuice potion was much more due to Hermione's skills than Ron or Harry's skills. According to chapter 31, he found the written exam in potions to be difficult. The practical was more relaxed than any of Snape's classes; however, when done, Harry felt that he "might not have achieve a good grade but that he had, with luck, avoided a fail."

What is possible, as many posters have predicted, that Snape is given the DADA position. By doing this, the new potions teacher may then allow Harry into the NEWT-prep potions class. Otherwise, it doesn't seem like Snape is likely to relent on his standards for advanced potions class, and from observations made in OOTP, Dumbledore does not interfere with the professors methods and standards.

Excellent! that'll do for me! brilliant theory

In Harry's own words, he did not feel that he did a great job in potions. It seems contrary to canon to expect Harry to get an O in potions.
There's often an enormous difference between Harry's perception vs reality, especially when it comes to Snape. Throughout the year, Snape has graded Harry much lower than Harry deserved, and has eroded Harry's perception of his own abilities. I'm sure Harry expects to scrape by with an "A", but I expect his opinion is likely to be wrong.

As for Snape becoming the DADA teacher... that's been discussed over and over again. It is a possibility, but I hope that Dumbledore does not allow Snape to teach the subject. The kids need to learn DADA, and many students don't learn well from Snape. The subject is too important to be left to a teacher like Snape.

As for Snape becoming the DADA teacher... that's been discussed over and over again. It is a possibility, but I hope that Dumbledore does not allow Snape to teach the subject. The kids need to learn DADA, and many students don't learn well from Snape. The subject is too important to be left to a teacher like Snape.

Actually, I think Snape would teach them DADA quite well. He seems to have the students very advanced at Potions. I also think Harry would do much better in a Snape DADA than a Snape Potions class, because he's good at DADA and he knows it. I think this is a definite possibility that will allow Harry to continue on his path to an Auror, because canon doesn't really support the notion that Harry will get in O in Potions.

Actually Haynesworht canon does support it. In the 5th book after Harry saw Snape's worst memory and he was ignoring Harry he was able to concentrate and did realy well on his potion. I rember him looking around and saying that Hermoine's was the only one better than his.

So during the OWL it would only make sense that he would do better than that. With out Snape there at all and paying extra attention knowing that it is important. ALso he is known for under estimating his own skills. So I would not be shocked if he got an O.

Here are my predictions.

Charms = E
Transfiguration = E
Herbology= E
DADA= O
Care of Magical Creatures= O
Potions= O
Divination= A How do they grad that
Astronomy= A
History of Magic= D

Actually Haynesworht canon does support it. In the 5th book after Harry saw Snape's worst memory and he was ignoring Harry he was able to concentrate and did realy well on his potion. I rember him looking around and saying that Hermoine's was the only one better than his.

So during the OWL it would only make sense that he would do better than that. With out Snape there at all and paying extra attention knowing that it is important. ALso he is known for under estimating his own skills. So I would not be shocked if he got an O.


Yes but in that case Harry knew that he was doing well. I have no problems with Harry underestimate his work and getting an E, but getting an O without realising he is doing well is a strech.

I'm a little skeptical on his Potions grade. Though Harry doesn't think he did well here's my prediction.
Charms- E
Tranfiguration- E
Potions- O
DADA- O
Herbology- A
Care of Magical Creatures- E
Divination- D
Astronmy- A
History of Magic- A

Yes but in that case Harry knew that he was doing well. I have no problems with Harry underestimate his work and getting an E, but getting an O without realising he is doing well is a strech.

I agree. To get an 'O' in potions, Harry's exam should have been as good as is DADA's one.

for any saying that he can't get less than an O in potions because we need his interaction with Snape, (if he stays at Potions Master) they still have Occlumency together...


-NMP

OK i've been thinking about this and everyone is going to yell at me for it but OH Well!

I think Harry will get an E in Divination (please stop screaming and let me explain)

Since the centaur is now the Divination teacher (sorry but I am reading GoF so forgot his name) I think that Harry will 1, have a better time in the class and 2.) I think the Centaurs will be a neccesary component in the fight against Voldemort.

With this logic it seems that Harry needs to stay close to the centaur and I also think harry played how horrible he think he did way too hard

What is HP without a quick glimpse from trelawney now and then when she helps with the class???

(You can now comense at your yelling)

:upset:

no, it is actually a good theory, who is one to say that a student did not see what they said?

(cept Ron and his desribing the examiner...)


-NMP

Hmm... What are the different grades and what order do they go in? I've always wondered and never took the time to write them down from the book.

O
E
A
P
D
T

Thats the grades in order from best to worst im pretty sure

Thanks NMP I thought it was a good theory but I wasnt too sure n e one else was because no one I had read had mentioned it

Thanks :)
In that case I would probably say Harry would get:
Potions - O (actually, i'm not quite sure about this one)
DADA - O (definatly)
Charms - E possibly O
Tranfiguration - E possibly O
CoMC - E
Herbology - A possibly E
Astronomy - A
History of Magic - P possibly A
Divination - D

I think he will bomb History of Magic cause he is always asleep something like a D not a T cause i think he could fake stuff but no higher than a D

You'd think though they would have him retake it.

why would he have to retake it???

He can fail one can't he?

He is obviously not perfect

Well duh he's not perfect. I was just saying maybe Prof. Binns let him have a retake OWL - like if you were sick at school and there was a test that day?

and i don't think he wants to take History N.E.W.T.'s anyway


-NMP

Neither do I, and I'm not saying he'll get a very high grade on it either, probably a P or an A, but i'm just saying he probably took a retake.

I don't think that Harry will pass History of Magic. He fell alseep during it! That would have to be a pretty lax school, if he passed.
For astronomy, I think he will do okay despite the distraction, since everyone was distracted. Do you think they are graded on a curve?

Who cares, it seems he just took history, astronomy,and divination for funny side things not for real benifit (cept the phophecy he heard...)


-NMP

sorry bout the outburst got a little excited but i even if he was offered a retake I dont think he would take it

OK i've been thinking about this and everyone is going to yell at me for it but OH Well!

I think Harry will get an E in Divination (please stop screaming and let me explain)

Since the centaur is now the Divination teacher (sorry but I am reading GoF so forgot his name) I think that Harry will 1, have a better time in the class and 2.) I think the Centaurs will be a neccesary component in the fight against Voldemort.

With this logic it seems that Harry needs to stay close to the centaur and I also think harry played how horrible he think he did way too hard

What is HP without a quick glimpse from trelawney now and then when she helps with the class???

(You can now comense at your yelling)

Actually, the way I suspect it will turn out is that even if a student ends up with a T in Diviniation that will not stop Trelawny or Fierenz (spelling?) from accepting them into the NEWT class. We already know that Trelawny doesn't think much of the OWLS and we know that Fierenz doesn't have faith in humans beliefs in regards to divination. So really both of them would likely have no problem with students who horribly fail the Divination OWLS continuing in their class. Hell even if Fierenz had a problem with it he would probably let them slide on the fact that until he arrived they have only been taught divination by a lowly human and well you know how bad humans are at divination :p

for any saying that he can't get less than an O in potions because we need his interaction with Snape, (if he stays at Potions Master) they still have Occlumency together...


-NMP


No they don't - Snape threw Harry out of his office and said he'd never teach Harry Occlumency again after the Pensieve incident in OOTP. He did this despite knowing how important it was for Harry to be able to shut out Voldemort. At the end, Dumbledore even says that it doesn't matter that he was unable to learn it, as his heart saved him.
I doubt Harry will take Occlumency in book six, but if he does, Snape will certainly not be the one teaching him.

Harry will pass in datda

No they don't - Snape threw Harry out of his office and said he'd never teach Harry Occlumency again after the Pensieve incident in OOTP. He did this despite knowing how important it was for Harry to be able to shut out Voldemort. At the end, Dumbledore even says that it doesn't matter that he was unable to learn it, as his heart saved him.
I doubt Harry will take Occlumency in book six, but if he does, Snape will certainly not be the one teaching him.

Actually I expect that Dumbledor or McGonagall is going to take over this Occulmency lessons in book 6 (lets face it even though he can get Voldemort out of his mind using love he cannot always use that such as when he is asleep dreaming). Of course this is discussed in other topics I suspect.

Here are my predicitions:
DADA- O
Charms - E
Transfiguration-E
Care of magical creatures-O
Potions - O (or E and we will see a new Potions master)
Herbology - E
Astrology - A
History of Magic - P
Divination - D (or T, if possible and not made up by Fred and Goerge)

I think Harry will do well in Charms Transfig., and COMC. He'll do OK in herbology, and lousy in Divination and Astronemy. I am one of the few who think he will somehow manage to pass History of Magic, because I think Binns and/or those goblin rebellions are going to be importent.
Potions...I don't knew...it seems too obvious and easy for him to get the "O." Maybe he'll get an "E" and have to go for tutoring sessions with Snape (poor harry!) Hey, I just come up with a theory :) That could even be why he leaves Privit drive early this summer.
Hermione, I think, wil do well in everything, except possibly Astronemy.
Ron not do so well and won't be able to be an auror, so we'll probably see yet more tension between Harry and Ron over that. It'll give Ron a chance to fell left out, just like Harry did when he wasn't prefect. And, admittedly, being a H/Hr shipper, I like the idea of Harry and Hermione having classes together without him. (Sorry, Herons. Just forget I said that, I knew this isn't "who'll fall in love with who?")

O in Defense Against the Dark Arts
E in Transfiguration, Charms and Herbology (possibly potions)
A (possibly Potions) Astronomy
D Divination, History of Magic

Though I think it is possible for Harry to have gotten an O in potions I am thinking worst case scenario here. Either way I think Harry will be in Snape's Newt potions ... Perhaps he will be forced to really take remedial potions this time ....

Actually Haynesworht canon does support it. In the 5th book after Harry saw Snape's worst memory and he was ignoring Harry he was able to concentrate and did realy well on his potion. I rember him looking around and saying that Hermoine's was the only one better than his.

So during the OWL it would only make sense that he would do better than that. With out Snape there at all and paying extra attention knowing that it is important. ALso he is known for under estimating his own skills. So I would not be shocked if he got an O.

I kind of remember that part but that's not when he takes his OWL, I think it's just another time when he's in class. To take a look at the OWL scene:

Sure enough, he found the written exam difficult, though he thought he might have got full marks on the question about Polyjuice Potion....The afternoon practical was not as dreadful as he had expected....Harry corked his sample flask feeling that he might not have achieved a good grade but that he had, with luck, avoided a fail.

Compare that to his feeling after the DADA exam, and I would say canon definitely doesn't support the notion that he will get an O in Potions. Based on that statement it seems more likely that he'll get a P than an O.

Now Harry may be underestimating his ability at Potions, which I think he probably is. I'd say he gets an A or an E. To say he'll get an O is a stretch when the only evidence you have to go by is that passage.

I think Harry will get an O in potions. He will have to suffer Snape for a few more years and he will improve in potions. It said in OofP the he did better at potions because Snape was not around during his O.W.L.. And I don't think he really wants to take divination anymore anyway, so who cares how he does on that one. He'll do well on the rest for sure. He is the famous Harry Potter right? :eyebrows:

Compare that to his feeling after the DADA exam, and I would say canon definitely doesn't support the notion that he will get an O in Potions. Based on that statement it seems more likely that he'll get a P than an O.

Now Harry may be underestimating his ability at Potions, which I think he probably is. I'd say he gets an A or an E. To say he'll get an O is a stretch when the only evidence you have to go by is that passage.

I think you are making a bad comparison in regards to how Harry feels with his DADA test to his Potions test. Think about it, of course Harry felt it was a easy O after all Harry is rather proficient in DADA possibly to the point where in his 5th year he could of pulled a O in NEWT DADA. Then we have potions which Harry always thought he was horrible at yet we know that he actually is quite good at potions when Snape is not bothering him. Of course in the test he is going to feel he did worse (possibly much worse as he does seem to like to sell himself short at times) than he actually did.

Now taking that into account is not enough to feel fairly certain that he is going to get a O in potions but does make it possible to see it happening. What makes me feel nearly certain (you can never be 100% certain of anything in any book) is what I previously said in conjunction with the fact that if Snape is not Harrys Potions teacher then we are going to lose a part of the story with the loss of one of the common Snape scenes which I feel contribute a fair bit to the novel as a whole.

It would be interesting however to see how Rowling works Snape into the story if he isn't teaching Harry Potions.

I think you are making a bad comparison in regards to how Harry feels with his DADA test to his Potions test. Think about it, of course Harry felt it was a easy O after all Harry is rather proficient in DADA possibly to the point where in his 5th year he could of pulled a O in NEWT DADA. Then we have potions which Harry always thought he was horrible at yet we know that he actually is quite good at potions when Snape is not bothering him. Of course in the test he is going to feel he did worse (possibly much worse as he does seem to like to sell himself short at times) than he actually did.

Now taking that into account is not enough to feel fairly certain that he is going to get a O in potions but does make it possible to see it happening. What makes me feel nearly certain (you can never be 100% certain of anything in any book) is what I previously said in conjunction with the fact that if Snape is not Harrys Potions teacher then we are going to lose a part of the story with the loss of one of the common Snape scenes which I feel contribute a fair bit to the novel as a whole.

It would be interesting however to see how Rowling works Snape into the story if he isn't teaching Harry Potions.

Well, I agree with you in the fact that what Harry thinks and what actually happens is different. You could say that he's underestimating himself and will get an O. I'm just making the point that he's already known what it feels to definitely get an O in one exam, and in Potions the feeling was different. Now, I also agree that the feelings are different because he's so good in DADA, but that passage is the only thing we have to go by. Based on that feeling, Harry could still get an O, but it doesn't really seem like he will.

I honestly have no idea what he will get in Potions, and I hope he gets an O, but I just don't see it. If he doesn't, I'm sure Rowling will find a way to incorporate more of Snape into the story.

Well, I agree with you in the fact that what Harry thinks and what actually happens is different. You could say that he's underestimating himself and will get an O. I'm just making the point that he's already known what it feels to definitely get an O in one exam, and in Potions the feeling was different. Now, I also agree that the feelings are different because he's so good in DADA, but that passage is the only thing we have to go by. Based on that feeling, Harry could still get an O, but it doesn't really seem like he will.

I honestly have no idea what he will get in Potions, and I hope he gets an O, but I just don't see it. If he doesn't, I'm sure Rowling will find a way to incorporate more of Snape into the story.

I guess it is mostly my own personal experience which leads me to believe that he most likely got an O in his Potions OWLS. You see in grade 12 English I failed, I mean seriously failed, like failed beyond belief. However my English 12 Provincial Exam I did so well on it that I actually passed the class. My English 12 teacher was simply amazed that I actually passed the class because of my Provincial and I thought I bombed the test.

Basically it is that which leads me to believe that it is very possible for Harry to of gotten a O. After all it basically happened with me.

well maybe harry is only going to get an E in potion,but after a little talk between DDand snape,snape will take him and this would make snape even more more "mad" (not really the apropriate work but you see what i mean) at him.

he has to get E in transfiguration
mcgonagall said that harry's "charmwork has been satisfactory"(p 585 UK version) and he's been getting A's and E's do maybe he can just get in with A
of course he'll get O in DADA

also mcgonagall said"If i have to coach you nightly,i will make sure you achieve the required result"(p 586 UK version) do you think that will happen?if so,will she help him in subjects other than transfiguration?

I guess it is mostly my own personal experience which leads me to believe that he most likely got an O in his Potions OWLS. You see in grade 12 English I failed, I mean seriously failed, like failed beyond belief. However my English 12 Provincial Exam I did so well on it that I actually passed the class. My English 12 teacher was simply amazed that I actually passed the class because of my Provincial and I thought I bombed the test.

Basically it is that which leads me to believe that it is very possible for Harry to of gotten a O. After all it basically happened with me.

Hah, well that may have some bearing on your opinion then...

Anyway, I agree that it is possible he can get an O. But based on what we know, and his opinion on the test, I don't think its probable.

well maybe harry is only going to get an E in potion,but after a little talk between DDand snape,snape will take him and this would make snape even more more "mad" (not really the apropriate work but you see what i mean) at him.

he has to get E in transfiguration
mcgonagall said that harry's "charmwork has been satisfactory"(p 585 UK version) and he's been getting A's and E's do maybe he can just get in with A
of course he'll get O in DADA

also mcgonagall said"If i have to coach you nightly,i will make sure you achieve the required result"(p 586 UK version) do you think that will happen?if so,will she help him in subjects other than transfiguration?

I'm a bit confused about this. I think it was just McGonagall standing up for Harry against Umbridge, because after this we get no hint of her actually coaching him. Maybe she will do it next year, but if she was serious about it wouldn't she have helped him in Potions this year? Because Snape certainly wouldn't.

I think Harry will do quite well. Astrology though? He barely paid attention to the test. I have a feeling a lot of the kids aren't getting O because of Umbridge's night attack.
He's not getting 12 O's but he's going to do better than Fred and George.

Hermione felt she didn't do as well either and we know she did.

I think he'll pass potions because snapes not marking it. and dada no peroblem.

im sure he ll do well

My thoughts:


DADA- O
Charms - 0
Transfiguration-E
Care of magical creatures-E
Potions - E
Herbology - E
Astrology - T
History of Magic - P
Divination - O ( its a O or a D he's right on or way off, he did guess but really unless you have the "inner eye" thats all Divination is)

I don't think Harry will get an O in Potions, it is my opinion that he will, at best, get an E (possibly an A). But, it is also my opinion that he will take NEWT potions. I see two possibilities:

1 - Dumbledore steps in and makes Snape accept Harry.
2 - Snape finally gets the DADA position (and he conserves it till the end of the series).

I'm more inclined to 2 thoug.

As for the others classes:
DADA- O
Charms - E
Transfiguration-E
Care of magical creatures-E
Herbology - E or A
Astrology - D
History of Magic - D
Divination - D

Ok here's what I think

Outstanding OWL's - Defence against the dark arts, Care of magical Creatures

Excedes Expectations OWL's - Potions, Transfiguration

And the rest will be below

1 - Dumbledore steps in and makes Snape accept Harry.
2 - Snape finally gets the DADA position (and he conserves it till the end of the series).

Snape set the entry requirement for NEWT Potions long before Harry came to Hogwarts. If Dumbledore were to intervene then it would be a slap in the face for all other students (both past and present) who might have wanted to take NEWT Potions, but "only" achieved "E" at OWL. I really can't see Dumbledore overstepping that particular mark.

A third possibility is that Dumbledore might ask Harry to resit his Potions OWL after some extra coaching from Professor McGonagall. And if he achieves an "O" then he might be permitted to join Snape's NEWT class. (But I can't imagine what Snape would think of this idea :evil: !!)

I doubt that anything would make Snape accept a student with below O in their OWL exam. However, since I am extremely sceptical that Harry will get the required O, I really don't know how we will see Snape in books 6 and 7 since the only interaction with Harry would be Potions classes. I've already stated my answer to the idea that Snape will still teach Harry Occlumency. Fat Chance!!

Only, what, another 180-odd days to go to find out. Aaaaargh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Snape set the entry requirement for NEWT Potions long before Harry came to Hogwarts. If Dumbledore were to intervene then it would be a slap in the face for all other students (both past and present) who might have wanted to take NEWT Potions, but "only" achieved "E" at OWL. I really can't see Dumbledore overstepping that particular mark.

Yes, I agree. Thats why I said I was more inclined for the 2nd point. Once asked(Barnes and Noble, 2000 - chat?):

Is Hogwarts ever going to get a "Defense Against the Dark Arts" teacher who lasts for more than one book?. JKR: Erm...maybe. Don't want to give too much away there!
My source: http://www.hpandthehalfbloodprince.org/

edit: sorry for bieng so much off-topic!

Ok, how about this. Harry does pass Potions, but Snape refuses to take him into any of his classes. That would be interesting.

Ok, how about this. Harry does pass Potions, but Snape refuses to take him into any of his classes. That would be interesting.
Snape said that he only takes people who have gotten an O into his class, and for some reason i can't imagine him giving Harry an O. It is possible that someone else might teach Harry potions, besides Snape.

Is Hogwarts ever going to get a "Defense Against the Dark Arts" teacher who lasts for more than one book?. JKR: Erm...maybe. Don't want to give too much away there!
My source: http://www.hpandthehalfbloodprince.org/

Wow, I hadn't seen that quote before - that changes things. With a new Potions Master, Harry probably wouldn't need an "O" to take NEWT Potions. But best of all, I have a sneaking suspicion that Harry is going to get the best DADA OWL in his entire year. So if Snape does get the DADA job then he's not going to be able to bully Harry the way he has in his Potions classes.

I wonder what entry requirement Snape would set for NEWT DADA? And could Malfoy reach that standard, seeing as he wasn't a member of the DA and so only had Umbridge's miserable classes in his OWL year?

With a new Potions Master, Harry probably wouldn't need an "O" to take NEWT Potions. But best of all, I have a sneaking suspicion that Harry is going to get the best DADA OWL in his entire year. So if Snape does get the DADA job then he's not going to be able to bully Harry the way he has in his Potions classes.
He'll probably just ignore him like he does Hermione because he can't find anything to criticise her about. But why would DD give Snape the DADA position when he has denied it to him for so long? Especaily in such a critical time...with the war looming.

I wonder what entry requirement Snape would set for NEWT DADA? And could Malfoy reach that standard, seeing as he wasn't a member of the DA and so only had Umbridge's miserable classes in his OWL year?

Well no matter how high he sets tehm the entire DA would still be able to get in thanks to HArry. Snape would love to teach Harry DADA, as Harry is almost as good as Snape (Maybe not better, but he could give him a run for his money.)

Actually, the way I suspect it will turn out is that even if a student ends up with a T in Diviniation that will not stop Trelawny or Fierenz (spelling?) from accepting them into the NEWT class. We already know that Trelawny doesn't think much of the OWLS and we know that Fierenz doesn't have faith in humans beliefs in regards to divination. So really both of them would likely have no problem with students who horribly fail the Divination OWLS continuing in their class. Hell even if Fierenz had a problem with it he would probably let them slide on the fact that until he arrived they have only been taught divination by a lowly human and well you know how bad humans are at divination :p

I think you have a point there--neither of them would really care. Firenze in particular might actually want Harry in his class, because he might have something to teach him. However, if Harry did get a D, I don't really think he'll be getting in, regardless of Firenze. It would raise too many questions, and the last thing Dumbledore wants now is that.

I personally agree that Harry getting an O in Potions is highly unlikely, but it can happen, and whether he does or not, I am sure that DD will force him to take Harry. Harry needs to know more with potions, not only to be an Auror, but to fight Voldy. And I don't think he could bear taking a break from a double class with dear Snape. (Note the sarcasm.)

But why would DD give Snape the DADA position when he has denied it to him for so long? Especaily in such a critical time...with the war looming.

Actually, I think it would be good for the students if Snape taught DADA. Everyone is scared of the job, but Snape wants it. In the time of war, it would be good to have a competent Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, and seeing as Snape knows so much about the dark arts, I think he would be a great teacher.

Wow, I hadn't seen that quote before - that changes things. With a new Potions Master, Harry probably wouldn't need an "O" to take NEWT Potions. But best of all, I have a sneaking suspicion that Harry is going to get the best DADA OWL in his entire year. So if Snape does get the DADA job then he's not going to be able to bully Harry the way he has in his Potions classes


This is an interesting theory which seems possible now that people are starting to think that the dada position is cursed and snape is the only one who wants the position. With Snape in this position he may be able to teach the students what they need to fight VM seeing as how he was once in his inner circle. Just a thought though

Maybe the job is LITERALLY cursed by Snape. I mean he knows enough Dark Arts. So maybe He cursed it so everyone would fail until Dumbledor gave him the job then he'd lift the curse. Just a thought that popped in.

Now on topic I think Harry will get really good grades in DADA, Potions, and Divination just cause those are interesting classes that alot has occured in past years. I would like him to take a class with Prof. Sinistra she sounds cool

All right, here's what I think:

DADA: O, what else is there to say?
Charms: E-O, We don't see him all that much in Charms, so I'm not so sure.
Herbology: A-E
Transfiguration: E, he seems to do pretty well in that class, but not enough to get an O
Potions: A-E, I'm pretty sure that he won't get an O, even without Snape.
History of Magic: D-P, he never finished the exam, and he doesn't seem to do well anyway
Astronomy: A, He wasn't paying much attention in the practical, but might have done well in the written.
Divination: D, let's face it. He is really bad at it, and no way is he a Seer.
Care of MC: E-O, he really wants to do well in that class for Hagrid, so he'll do well.

These aren't the grades for an Auror, but being HP, he'll probably be an exception, or have extra help.

Unrelated Question: What are the stars on a persons profile thing?

Actually, I think it would be good for the students if Snape taught DADA. Everyone is scared of the job, but Snape wants it. In the time of war, it would be good to have a competent Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, and seeing as Snape knows so much about the dark arts, I think he would be a great teacher.

Well, think that one of the major downfalls of Snape theaching DADA is his relations with the students (execpt for slytherin one) and especially Harry.
Harry needs to learn a lot this year, so with Snape theaching DADA I don't know if he will learn all he needs. In the other hand, Harry might want to prove him self to Snape so maybe Snape teaching DADA would be a good thing for HP after all.

I agree that Harry probably didn't get an O in potions. Either they'll make an exception for him in some way (thus making Snape hate him even more) or they'll get a new Potions master with lower expectations. Both will be very interesting to the plot. I hope for the first situation.

For the rest of his OWLS, I think he'll get into the classes he needs. Harry will get an A or P in Astronomy, a P in History of Magic, and a D or P in Divination

I think you have a point there--neither of them would really care. Firenze in particular might actually want Harry in his class, because he might have something to teach him. However, if Harry did get a D, I don't really think he'll be getting in, regardless of Firenze. It would raise too many questions, and the last thing Dumbledore wants now is that.

I personally agree that Harry getting an O in Potions is highly unlikely, but it can happen, and whether he does or not, I am sure that DD will force him to take Harry. Harry needs to know more with potions, not only to be an Auror, but to fight Voldy. And I don't think he could bear taking a break from a double class with dear Snape. (Note the sarcasm.)

What makes you think Harry needs Potions to fight Voldemort?

What makes you think Harry needs Potions to fight Voldemort?
I didn't read what the person you quoted put, but I think Potions could become helpful to him in some ways (ex. Polyjuice Potion).
But, I think he'll need potions for becoming an Auror. His OWL's are for his future job (hopefully, he'll be alive to have one) and not (entirely) for preparing for the Battle - maybe with an exception of DADA.

He'll probably just ignore him like he does Hermione because he can't find anything to criticise her about. But why would DD give Snape the DADA position when he has denied it to him for so long? Especaily in such a critical time...with the war looming.
Maybe Dumbledore won't be able to find another DADA teacher, but will be able find someone else to teach Potions. Given a choice between Snape and no-one at all, what could Dumbledore do... with the war looming?

(Snape ignore the chance to punish Harry for looking like his father? I doubt it, somehow.)

I think Harry will get High marks so that he can move toward being an Auror

Well no matter how high he sets tehm the entire DA would still be able to get in thanks to HArry. Snape would love to teach Harry DADA, as Harry is almost as good as Snape (Maybe not better, but he could give him a run for his money.)

I don't think there is anything that could make Snape enjoy teaching Harry. The reason he can't stand to have him in Potions is because he hates Harry, not because Harry's particularly bad at it. Here's how I think the grades will stack up:

DADA: O, of course
Care of Magical Creatures: O, poss. E (No real mention of Harry's grades in this class, plus, Hagrid doesn't exactly "teach to curriculum")
Transfiguration: E
Charms: E
Astronomy: A (I suspect the examiner will cut the whole class some slack, considering the distraction)
Herbology: A (Harry genuinely doesn't seem to be particularly good at it--ever)
History of Magic: D (He fell asleep--I don't think they're going to cut him any slack for that)
Divination: D (A tall dark sogy stranger...need I say more?)
Potions....? I would give Harry an outside chance of getting an O. The only times he does badly at Potions are times when he isn't paying attention to what he's doing. Also, he does sell himself VERY short. Think about it. He didn't even realize he was good at DADA until Hermione convincced him of it. I don't think he'll do better than Ron, though, because I don't think poor Ron needs any more reasons to be jealous of his best friend.

Also--Auror is not the only career path for Harry. He would make a good Seeker in professional Quidditch....

Waiting impatiently for HBP...

Actually, I think it would be good for the students if Snape taught DADA. Everyone is scared of the job, but Snape wants it. In the time of war, it would be good to have a competent Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, and seeing as Snape knows so much about the dark arts, I think he would be a great teacher.
i'm not arguing that he won't be a good teacher, but i'm just speculating on why do you think that DD has neglected to give the position to him knowing how much he wants it? But maybe you're right. With so many people being afraid to teach DADA Snape may have to take the role with DD finding someone else to fit in Snape's shoes.

It would be a bit ironic if after five years Harry though he was finally rid of Snape, only to find him in his favourite class, which is also the class he does best in (when he has a competent teacher of course), teaching him :p

I think Harry will get High marks so that he can move toward being an Auror
but to be an Auror he needs to get a good mark in potions in Newt level, and Snape said he only accepted people in his class who got an O, which i very much doubt Harry got. Of course, that's irrelevant if Snape is no longer the Potions teacher.

Well, someone pointed the theoory that Snape might finally become the DADA teacher, and then another potions master comes to Snape's place, and as everyone, including me, believes that Harry will get O in DADA, Snape will have to accept him into his class.

I don't think it is likely for Snape to become the DADA teacher, I think I remember reading somewhere on the internet (though I could be wrong), an interview with JK Rowling where someone asked her something about why Snape keeps getting knocked back for the job. She said something about "Given Snape's history [presumably meaning because he was a Death Eater] Dumbledore doesn't want him teaching DADA because he could slip back into his old ways."

Or something like that... Like I said, I could be wrong, but after reading that, it doesn't seem likely to me that Snape would EVER become the DADA teacher. No, I think that McGonagall will force Snape to lower his standards in this case because if Snape's only going to take O students, he's going to have a very small class indeed! (Judging from the fact that even Hermione didn't get an O in their first piece of homework in OotP.)

[QUOTE=Gens_T]I don't think it is likely for Snape to become the DADA teacher, I think I remember reading somewhere on the internet (though I could be wrong), an interview with JK Rowling where someone asked her something about why Snape keeps getting knocked back for the job. She said something about "Given Snape's history [presumably meaning because he was a Death Eater] Dumbledore doesn't want him teaching DADA because he could slip back into his old ways."

Yeah she did. Her full quote was when asked why DD wouldn't give Snape the job was
"That is an excellent question and the reason is… I have to be careful… not to say too much. However, when Professor Dumbledore took Professor Snape onto the staff and Professor Snape said he'd like to teach Defence Against the Dark Arts please and Professor Dumbledore felt that it might bring out the worst in Professor Snape, so Dumbledore said: "I think we'll let you teach potions and see how you get along there.""

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The key point here, I suppose is the final remark, which clearly implies that Dumbledore could change his mind.
I'm quite taken (though I've only decided this in the last two minutes) with Sinistra being the new potions teacher - allowing Harry to bypass Snape's high standards - and Snape finally getting shot at the DADA post. I haven't thought it through very well so there may be a million reasons why it's never going to happen, but I don't think JKR is going to keep Snape away from the job forever.

It would also explain why she said she had to choose her words carefully since the situation has changed in the sixth book
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I think that Harry`s o.w.l would be :

DADA: O, obvious

Care of Magical Creatures: O or E, harry seems doing good this subject

Transfiguration: O I`m not sure if he do well enough but...

Charms: E, he made it well but he had some problems there...

Astronomy: E, I expect that they considered the interruption

Herbology: E, It seemed being easy.. :huh:

History of Magic: D, he doesn`t doing well.. without counting he fell asleep!!!

Divination:D, no comments, after all this will be great to Harry... :agree:

Potions: O, I`m being optimist :glad:

So even I`m as good as Harry in divination, I hope that he would be qualified for being an auror (I don`t think that a Quiddicht player is a good option, after defeat one of the darkests wizards but that`s only my opinion)

lol- wouldnt it be funny if malfoy didnt pass the Potions owl and harry did? i hope it happens :p

he better get into potions newt classes though!

Perhaps Harry will do poorly in Potions and Snape will let him in anyway at the request of Dumbledore. I could see Draco and Snape holding that over his head everyday.

Perhaps Harry will do poorly in Potions and Snape will let him in anyway at the request of Dumbledore.

I doubt even Dumbledore could use his favouritsm to that extent. The examiners were unbiased, and if Harry doesn't get into the Newt class (though I expect he will) then its his fault entirely and not even Dumbledore can make up an excuse to get him into the class. You can't randomly put people into classes which they don't get the grades for... even if they ARE Harry Potter.

On another note, I imagine that Harry will get O's in everything, except maybe History of Magic and Divination... I still think he'll get an O in Potions to spite Snape. :cool:

I doubt even Dumbledore could use his favouritsm to that extent. The examiners were unbiased, and if Harry doesn't get into the Newt class (though I expect he will) then its his fault entirely and not even Dumbledore can make up an excuse to get him into the class. You can't randomly put people into classes which they don't get the grades for... even if they ARE Harry Potter.

On another note, I imagine that Harry will get O's in everything, except maybe History of Magic and Divination... I still think he'll get an O in Potions to spite Snape. :cool:

I suspect Harry's extra mark in the DAtDA practical may count towards other subjects, to raise the overall grade.

[QUOTE=haha]i'm not arguing that he won't be a good teacher, but i'm just speculating on why do you think that DD has neglected to give the position to him knowing how much he wants it? But maybe you're right. With so many people being afraid to teach DADA Snape may have to take the role with DD finding someone else to fit in Snape's shoes.

I think the reason Dumbeldore does not give the DADA job to Snape is because the job is cursed/jinxed and giving Snape the job would mean he would only be at Hogwarts one more year. I think Dumbledore values Snape and wants him to hang around longer than one more year. I f Snape does get the job, I think he will be killed by Voldemort at the end of that year. My prediction is Snape will get the job in the sixth or seventh book, but he will be killed by Voldemort by the end of that book.

I'm sticking by the "Snape's time at DADA teacher will come" theory, but regarding favouritism, I seem to remember McG saying that to Umbridge that she'd do everything in her power to make sure Harry gets the grades he needs, even if she has to teach him herself, he obviously doesn't take her up on that offer, but it shows that McG for one is prepared to use her influence to help Harry if she can, and it's not too unlikely to imagine she'd put a bit of pressure on Snape. She's certainly not above putting him in his place from time to time.

, I seem to remember McG saying that to Umbridge that she'd do everything in her power to make sure Harry gets the grades he needs, even if she has to teach him herself, he obviously doesn't take her up on that offer, but it shows that McG for one is prepared to use her influence to help Harry if she can, and it's not too unlikely to imagine she'd put a bit of pressure on Snape. She's certainly not above putting him in his place from time to time.
It is most definitely NOT favoritism. McGonagall has always been described as a strict and fair teacher. Al it is that she is saying that she will help Harry, as his head of the house would. NOT by exerting any pressure on Snape – but in ensuring that he studies hard and has all the necessary help. Honestly, such interpretation! I can not even picture McGonagall begging Snape. Or having any inclination to. And what do you mean, “putting him in his place”? Sure, she can do it any time she wants, hands down, but asking him for such favours that would be degrading herself, not him.

How many other students has she offered private tutition to? Betcha it's just Harry. Isn't there a bit where she points out to Snape that she is the head of his house when he's trying to get Harry expelled - it's that kind of thing I'm referring to.

How many other students has she offered private tutition to? Betcha it's just Harry.

But there's a huge difference between giving Harry extra tutoring to make sure he gets the grades required, and actually trying to make other teachers accept him despite a grade that is too low.
What would be the point of offering to help him get good marks if she's going to force other teachers to accept him if he doesn't get the grades?

Isn't there a bit where she points out to Snape that she is the head of his house when he's trying to get Harry expelled - it's that kind of thing I'm referring to.

No - that's Dumbledore in COS after the flying car incident.

You have no reason to say so. She got a time-turner for Hermione when she needed it, she protected Neville, she is just that kind of person - she cares. She NEVER uses any preferential treatment of Harry, no matter how much she likes him (which, my guess is, a lot). She does not stock into Umbridge punishment when Umbrige was just another teacher (OK, with ties to Ministry) she punished Harry when he wasnt expecting to be punished... When she said "help" she meant "help" not private tutoring, not pulling the strings, simply a head of the house and a student in need working together, as they should. Oh, well, and "I do not care for you and your Ministry, my house and my students are more important for me than your political games". She never treated Harry differently. She is one of the most decent people in the books, do not insult her buy suspecting her in unfair and unprofessional behaviour.

McGonagall may show favouritism. But if she does it is because Harry has been through an incredible amount of pain and suffering since coming to Hogwarts. The teachers (albeit apart from Snape) Have a soft spot for Harry. I mean even Dumbledore remarked that their relationship is more than that of a student and headmaster. However in this instance I don't believe she is. I think she is just using what she can and pulling out all the stops in her arguement against Umbridge.That said I think she will tutor Harry in potions next year.

You have no reason to say so. She got a time-turner for Hermione when she needed it, she protected Neville, she is just that kind of person - she cares. She NEVER uses any preferential treatment of Harry, no matter how much she likes him (which, my guess is, a lot). She does not stock into Umbridge punishment when Umbrige was just another teacher (OK, with ties to Ministry) she punished Harry when he wasnt expecting to be punished... When she said "help" she meant "help" not private tutoring, not pulling the strings, simply a head of the house and a student in need working together, as they should. Oh, well, and "I do not care for you and your Ministry, my house and my students are more important for me than your political games". She never treated Harry differently. She is one of the most decent people in the books, do not insult her buy suspecting her in unfair and unprofessional behaviour.

Yes yes Yes I completely agree. She loves her students and she fights for them.

I'm not saying McGonagall's not a fair teacher, I'm just saying that I don't think she's above pulling a few strings to help Harry.
She tells Harry, "I will assist you to become an Auror if it is the last thing I do! If I have to coach you nightly I will make sure you achieve the required results."
Now she's not the sort of woman to go back on her word and that's a fairly strong statement. If Harry doesn't get the grade he needs, which seems likely, then Snape isn't going to accept onto his NEWT course, no potions NEWT no auror so something's got to give.
I suppose a compromise theory is that Snape doesn't let him on the course and McG gives him private tuition herself.

She tells Harry, "I will assist you to become an Auror if it is the last thing I do! If I have to coach you nightly I will make sure you achieve the required results."
Now she's not the sort of woman to go back on her word and that's a fairly strong statement. If Harry doesn't get the grade he needs, which seems likely, then Snape isn't going to accept onto his NEWT course, no potions NEWT no auror so something's got to give.
I suppose a compromise theory is that Snape doesn't let him on the course and McG gives him private tuition herself.



I think McG was saying that in the moment i highly doubt that she will go behide a teachers back and teach someone a class that he doesn't have the marks to get in it.

no potions NEWT no auror


It is possible that for his auror training they let him take a exrtra potoins class to get caught up. If he surives to that point in his life where he is looking for a carrer he would have killed the most powerful dark wizard in history im pretty sure that their going to acepect the "Boy Who Lived" the hero.

No, the compromise would be that McGonagall helps her student study (oh, all right, even if it requires tutoring. But only for all students who really need it, not only Harry), and lets the other teachers do their jobs. This is what she meant when she said "if that is the last thing I do". Any other way of "pulling the strings" is indeed below her.

I am glad I found this post I have been looking on different sites for a discussion on his OWL's. Everyone has great ideas, and mine are pretty similar to the standard I have seen of 2 O's 2-3 E's and maybe an A.

One point I found somewhere else that might shed some light on Harry's feeling of how he did. Harry has been building self confidence but still remember he came from a family who wanted to pretend he didn't exist, got beat up and insulted for eleven years, and just now is getting a chance to excel at something. So I think his feelings maybe lower than what his actual results will come out. He does not expect success as he has not had it very much, so things may be better than the he thought.

I like the theory of Snape being the new DADA. Lets see mid year (Duelling against dark arts) Snape: "Any volunteers?" Harry: "Yeah me and you Professor"

Snape and Harry going at it would be fun to see. He has handled some wand to wand combat against real DE's so let the full hatred from each be shown. :)


I wander who Harry hates more Voldemort or Snape????

I think Harry will get the owls required to start Auror training. I know a lot of people think he won't get the O in potions, but I don't agree. Harry wasn't being tested by Snape. And when Snape isn't bothering him, Harry actually produces a decent potion. Besides, what fun will it be if Harry has no classes with Snape??

he'll get what he needs to fight the dark lord (subjects he needs)

Well, as someone remarked, Umbridge pointed out that Snape had brought his potions class to an advanced level. So when Harry took the OWL for Potions, he thought he did all right, but he was judging himself by his knowledge of Snape's class and teaching, not necessarily by the OWL test.

So, if he thought he got an E, that's an E for a test that's actually less advanced than Snape's teaching - making an O a distinct possibility.

DADA: Practical - O
Theory - O
Charms: Practical - O (in comparison to the flamingos)
Theory - No idea. Possibly an E
Herbology: Practical - A-E
Theory - E
Transfiguration: Practical - E-O
Theory - E
Potions: Practical - E-O (I like the theory that Snape has brought the class to an advanced level so Harry who is judging in comparison to Snape's class is underestimating)
Theory - E
History of Magic: (Is there a practical?) Theory T-D (why does no-one believe that 'T' exists?)
Astronomy: Practical -A (he seemed to do well untill interupted)
Theory - No idea. Possibly A.
Divination: T-D or P-A depending on how the rest of the test went (other than the life lines)
Care of Magical Creatures: Practical - E-O
Theory - E-O

Oh yeah, didn't JK say that Harry wouldn't be continuing with Divination somewhere?

wouldn't it be strange anyway if he doesn't get into potions with snape? i thought we would get to know him better in the next books, and i believe i recall that JK mentioned that the potionsclass is an essential part of the next books..

anyway, maybe either dumbledore or mc.gonagall persuade snape to let potter pass..but i also kinda liked stormraven's idea about snapes level of expectations.

I still maintain that Harry will not get the O in Potions that he needs. He did do better without Snape lurking around, but at most that's probably an E, and that's based on his thoughts during the theory portion of the test.

This does not mean that Harry and Snape will not be in class together, they just will not be in Potions together. I think in book 6, DD will finally allow Snape to teach DADA. The students need a proper DADA teacher, and Snape is a skilled teacher. Also, year 6 students are supposed to learn Dark spells in DADA, and who better to teach it than someone who was supposed to know more Dark Arts spells during his time as a student at Hogwarts. This would allow Harry vs. Snape with both being excellent in the subject. Snape will have the upper hand being the teacher, but the ground will be more level in DADA. We could also see some duels between the two of them, something I've wanted to see for some time.

This would make it easier for DD to hire a new teacher. It would be easier to get someone to fill the Potions position rather than the cursed DADA job. Plus, we could finally see a DADA teacher make it pass the one year mark with Harry in their class.

i agree that Harry will get high OWL grades in all of his classes (excluding divination and History of magic) I also think that the significance of HBP's relese date (July 16th) might be the date he receives his OWL grades. McGonagal did say that they would get them in July.

I think that Harry will receive an O in potions. Without Snape breathing down his neck during the test, he probably did quite well. Plus, in will annoy Snape to have Harry back in his class making for an interesting read.

I think Harry did well in most of his tests and will receive fairly good scores on his OWLS because of it. The only exceptions would probably be Divination and History, and maybe even Astrology due to that incident with McGonagall and Hagrid. Surely, he would receive top marks in Defense Against the Dark Arts, and something tells me that he did very well in Potions. I also feel that Snape will probably be forced into accepting Harry into his NEWTS Potions class no matter what Harry gets in his OWLS score. Not only will it make an interesting read, but I've always loved reading about Snape.

~Sinc

DADA: O, obvious
Very obvious :D I think everyone's sort of taking that for granted.

I do not believe that Harry will receive an O in Potions, as I believe that Snape will be the DADA teacher in book 6 (and die in book 6, possibly saving Harry's life, to make way for a new DADA teacher in book 7).

However, I do not hold this belief resolutely. I believe that something that many people forget is just how good of a teacher Snape is. First, he is the Potions Master at Hogwart's. I don't know if that is synonymous with 'teacher of Potions class', but you don't hear any other teachers being referred to as 'X' Master, do you? Second, he is a hard teacher, a strict teacher, but that does not mean he is not a good teacher.

Perhaps people misjudge what people mean when someone says 'good teacher'. As for myself, when I say it, I do not mean 'nice teacher' or 'kind teacher'. My sole criterion for judging the quality of a teacher is how well they teach; i.e., how well their students learn the information that the teacher presents to them. As far as that goes, Snape seems like an excellent teacher.

Now, is he nice? Not in the least. Does he play favorites? Yes, but even that may have its own edge. Snape challenges his students. He condescends to them quite often, but never without cause. His favorite 'pet case' is Neville Longbottom, but Snape does not insult or condescend to Neville except where either 1) Neville has just made a mistake, or 2) Snape knows this is a situation that Neville normally makes a mistake.

This isn't very nice, but it CAN be useful. It does not work so well on people like Harry or Neville, but it does work with others... like Hermione. If you recall back to the first meeting with Snape, he makes a comment like '... if you're not a pack of dunderheads like I normally have to teach.' Harry thinks that's a little odd, but Hermione's reaction is one that reads like '... she was eager to prove she wasn't a dunderhead.' This is the kind of reaction that I think Snape wants to get out of his students (as a teacher; personal issues I leave for elsewhere).

There is also the fact that Snape teaches very advanced concepts in his classes. Not only do we have Umbridge's word for that (and Umbridge was judging from the POV of the Ministry, which ALSO comes up with the O.W.L. examination, so I think you can trust her in that), but also the scene where Snape takes over Lupin's class in third year.

Anyway, this is a little far afield for the topic, so I'll get back to Harry's O.W.L. results.

DADA - O (this is all-but-stated)
Charms, Transfiguration - E (these are his parents' best subjects)
Potions - E (this is where I think he'd place; I'm not totally up on European testing methods, but only getting full marks on one question on your theory exam probably doesn't lead to an O)
CoMC - A or E (Harry is an indifferent student here)
History, Divination - Probably failed, but you never know...
Astronomy (please note: it's not astrology) - A
Herbology - A or E

I do like the theory that the Divination professors don't care what the O.W.L. score is... that's just like them. :)

The important thing to remember about Harry is that he is not really a good student, academically. The above, to me, look like a realistic expectation of his results. He isn't Hermione, and he isn't Voldemort.

As for Hermione's O.W.L.s, I expect to see her get nothing below an E, but I wouldn't be surprised if she 'aced' it.

Ron's results should be similar to Harry's (this is even pointed out in OotP, when Harry is thinking about Ron being a prefect and him not).

What I think Harry got...
DADA-O (duh)
Care of Magical Creatures-E
Charms-E
Transfiguration-E
Herbology-E
Potions-E
Astronomy-A
History of Magic-P
Divination-D

So...pretty much an E in everything...that's where I think Harry stands in general. Remember, this isn't the course grade, and Harry actually tried on all of the important finals. When Harry tries, he gets results...not spectacular, but not at all bad.

I agrre with wizkid's results. I mean, afterall, Harry has to get enough grades to become an auror!

What I think Harry got...
DADA-O (duh)
Care of Magical Creatures-E
Charms-E
Transfiguration-E
Herbology-E
Potions-E
Astronomy-A
History of Magic-P
Divination-D

So...pretty much an E in everything...that's where I think Harry stands in general. Remember, this isn't the course grade, and Harry actually tried on all of the important finals. When Harry tries, he gets results...not spectacular, but not at all bad.

But remember, he needs an O in Potions for Snape to take him for NEWTs. (I'm not really sure that he got this, given that Harry himself says the exam was difficult, but we'll see if Snape has to take him or if Snape ends up in the DADA post.)

I think his Astronomy grade might be even lower (unless they take into consideration the whole Hagrid incident when grading all of the exams and curve them) because he only completed two-thirds of his chart.

Other than that, it sounds about right. We know he averages between A and E in Transfiguration and E in Charms. I think the screwing up the Color-Change and Growth Charms would indicate he's not getting an O there, but he did have a good Levitation Charm.

I think you have a point there--neither of them would really care. Firenze in particular might actually want Harry in his class, because he might have something to teach him. However, if Harry did get a D, I don't really think he'll be getting in, regardless of Firenze. It would raise too many questions, and the last thing Dumbledore wants now is that.

What you are forgetting though is that it is the teacher who decides what is the minimum OWL grade required to enter their class. See it wouldn't be raising any questions because of what I said. This wouldn't be a exception for Harry this would apply to all students. I just really don't think either of the divination teachers care in the slightest bit about OWL marks and they will accept any student who wishes to enter their advanced class.

i bet harry does really well in all the important class (ex. transfiguration, charms, DADA) i hope he does well in potions because he has to be able to become an auror. and how could jk give up writing so much about snape? :p i dont think ron or harry will do very well on divination, unless you get bonus points because you will die a tragic death.

i dont think ron or harry will do very well on divination, unless you get bonus points because you will die a tragic death.
But then at the end Prof Trelawny changed her tune and said that Harry would a live a long-well lived life :sigh: She needs to make up her mind ;)

I think that, as a twist, Harry will get an E in Potions and most of his other subjects will be a passing grade. But I don't think that he'll fulfill all the OWL requirements to be an auror.

Maybe, because of all that was going on at the time, the teachers Might be a little more lenient with grading (Snape: Oh, those poor things had to deal with so much back then, I'll let them pass).

Both Harry and Ron will fail Divination, Harry will get a P in History of Magic

Maybe, because of all that was going on at the time, the teachers Might be a little more lenient with grading
Personally, i don't think so. Isn't the grading done by someone outside the school since it was conducted by different professors. I don't think they'll look at all the names to find Harry's and be a bit more linient on him. It wouldn't be fair to other people, as well.

Harry has probably got an O in Defence Against the Dark Arts, and I'm guessing an E in his other strong subjects. A in Astronomy, perhaps? And probably a fail in History of Magic.

Okay these are my grades for Harry

DADA-O

Tranfig.- E

Charms- E

Potions- O (tentative)

Astronomy- A

History- D/troll

Herbology- E

Divination- A(tentative)

I hope he gets into his career choice!

Hermione with get O's in EVERYTHING. lol.

I'm surprised that alot of people seem to think that Harry will only get an E in both Charms&Transfigurations.

In the Transfiguration practical he did very well. He managed to vanish all of his inuguana(?). Vanishing spells seem to be the main focus of the 5th year and are probably more difficult than any other discipline of transfigurations teached in year 1-4. So I think that he will get an O for transfiguration practical. The theoretical exam went well, except that he forgot the definition of a switching spell, which is nothing major. Also the practical will probably count more than the theoretical so even if he was up to O standard with his theoretical exam he still can get an O.

Charms is basically the same thing. He made one tiny mistake during the practical, fixed it immediately and did the rest well. He had no problems with his theoretical exam too.


One musn't forget that O is not an unusal grade. The OWLs are designed so that everyone can get at least an A. But there is no previous division of people in different classes according to grades. So people who are just very average at studying still can get an A. Harry seems to me much more intelligent than the average student. E or O should be a level which he can easily attain. Just like more people can actually, because it is possible for people to get 12 O's, even if they are very smart. So even if you have made a minor slipup you can probably still get an O, since an O isn't that high even if it is the highest.

So I think he gets:
O - Charms
O/E - Transfiguration.
O - CoMC
E - Potions(someone will have to beg Snape to do Harry a favor)
E - Herbology
A - Astronomy
P - History of Magic
D - Divination
O+ - DADA

I think that, as a twist, Harry will get an E in Potions and most of his other subjects will be a passing grade. But I don't think that he'll fulfill all the OWL requirements to be an auror.

Maybe, because of all that was going on at the time, the teachers Might be a little more lenient with grading (Snape: Oh, those poor things had to deal with so much back then, I'll let them pass).

Both Harry and Ron will fail Divination, Harry will get a P in History of Magic

the requirements are for N.E.W.T. Scores
harry needs a high owl grade to get in to a given newt class.
he'll be tested in 7th year(if he lives that long)for NEWTS

This will determon if he goes on to auror training

OK I've mentioned Harry's results on the OWLs. Now I predict which NEWT classes he's going to take. Since Harry's trying to become an Auror he needs a minimum of 5 NEWTs to become an Auror. McG suggested DADA, Potions, Transfig, and Charms. In support of Hagrid, Harry will continue in CoMC, plus it could only help with Hagrid's new pet. A possible sixth class is Herbology, not sure if Harry will take it or not. It depends if he and Ron simply want to do the minimal requirements for Aurors because getting E's in everything will be difficult.

Harry's 6th year courses.
DADA
Charms
Transfiguration
Potions
CoMC
(Herbology)

As Harry is thouroly blinded to his own ablilites (outside of quidditch and after DA meetings Defense Against the Dark Arts), it's safe to assume that Harry did much better than he thinks.

Based on this is would say that whatever you think (based on Harry's feelings about it) about his O.W.L.s you would do well to bump all his estimated scores for everything other than DADA up one grade.

Snape owes Harry a decent grade if he deserves it. After all, Harry practically had to learn from a lazy irresponsible and worthless teacher who hates him, so he had to work extra hard to keep up with a lot of the other students.

Its definitely possible for Harry to score EE or O in Potions, because Snape won't be grading him for the OWLs and Harry may well exceed the expectations of the examiners, some of whom were quite taken by him.

Snape owes Harry a decent grade if he deserves it. After all, Harry practically had to learn from a lazy irresponsible and worthless teacher who hates him, so he had to work extra hard to keep up with a lot of the other students.
Snape acts that way to most of the people in his class except for Slytherins. Harry wasn't all that disadvantages except for the fact that he picks on Harry more. Since Snape's the teacher he doesn't exactly owe Harry anything, except maybe to be fair to him and that's not going to happen anytime soon after the Penseive incident. However, I do believe that Harry will surprise everyone, including himself with his Potions grade. Just an impression I got from reading OotP.

i have a question. i don't know if anyones said this already and if they did i'm sorry, but what about the extra credit harry got in DADA? i'm sure he got an O so will he be able to choose where he wants the extra credit to go? especially if harry got like an E in potions? :shrug:

Here's my take on the OWLS.

We can safely assume that Harry got an O on DADA.
With all the distractions to him and everyone else, he will get a G or E on Astronomy.
He probably did as well as everyone else in Divination, so he'll get a G
History of Magic...D
Charms...E
Transfiguration...E
Finally Potions...I'd say an E, as he was making some good progress in the class. Remember the potion Snape broke? It was pretty good. Not only that, but we get the idea from Umbridge that Snape runs a pretty advanced class, and from that I'd guess that what they'd be quizzed on wouldn't be quite as hard. Finally, as much as he'd like him to, Harry just isn't going to be parted from Snape. He'll always have the regular contact in class.

[QUOTE=Ken45]Here's my take on the OWLS.

We can safely assume that Harry got an O on DADA.
With all the distractions to him and everyone else, he will get a G or E on Astronomy.
He probably did as well as everyone else in Divination, so he'll get a G


What's a G?

My guess is he did really darn well. Regardless how he does on his Potions OWL's exam though, I pretty sure that Snape will pull him into his NEWT's class. It would be very un'Snape like to deprive himself of taunting and mocking Harry publicly for an entire year. Snape may radiate an aura of deep loathing for Harry but by having Harry under his thumb in potions class it puts him a position of addition power and athority over Harry. A normal professor student relationship would not neccessarily convey the same sting as it does when Snape he taunts Harry and implies that he is holding Harry's future in the palm of his hand. Great stuff!

[QUOTE=Ken45]Here's my take on the OWLS.

We can safely assume that Harry got an O on DADA.
With all the distractions to him and everyone else, he will get a G or E on Astronomy.
He probably did as well as everyone else in Divination, so he'll get a G


What's a G?

I think you mean an A, not a G. To explain some of where so much confusion may be coming from, in American public schools children are sometimes given citizenship and participation grades (in kindergarden- 8th grade) which often go (with variations of course) O/E, G, S, N, U (Outstanding/Excellent, Good, Satisfactory, Needs Improvement, Unsatisfactory). Wow! I can't believe I still remember that. It's got to have been at least 5 years since I got those grades... Anyway, maybe my school district was unique, but I doubt it. I know I had a lot of trouble with it at first. Not that it's all that alike, but grading scales stick in one's head!
The OWL scale is (just a refresher): O, E, A, P, D, (T). Well, we're not sure if T exists.

Here's my take on Harry's grades:
DADA: O (O stands for obviously in this case)
Charms: E
Transfiguration: E
Herbology: A or E (we haven't heard much)
Potions: E or maybe O (just to give Snape an opportunity to be furious and be forced to let Harry into his class) :eyebrows:
Astronomy: A or maybe even a P
History of Magic: P (though could be anything from an A to a D)
Divination: P
Care of Magical Creatures: E

Oh and just to add it here I think Hermione will have gotten all Os except for an E in Astronomy (because she was so upset about McGonagall). It will make her extremely upset not to have gotten them perfect!

Here's my take on the OWLS.

We can safely assume that Harry got an O on DADA.
With all the distractions to him and everyone else, he will get a {A}G or E on Astronomy.
He probably did as well as everyone else in Divination, so he'll get a {A}
History of Magic...D
Charms...E
Transfiguration...E
Finally Potions...I'd say an E, as he was making some good progress in the class. Remember the potion Snape broke? It was pretty good. Not only that, but we get the idea from Umbridge that Snape runs a pretty advanced class, and from that I'd guess that what they'd be quizzed on wouldn't be quite as hard. Finally, as much as he'd like him to, Harry just isn't going to be parted from Snape. He'll always have the regular contact in class.

I pretty much agree with your hypotheses, but w/ your point about Snape, Harry will have to get an O. I agree that JKR is not going to take away the Snape/Harry interaction - it makes up so much of the book - but, Snape will NEVER make an exception to who he lets into his NEWT Potions class; if he says O, they're going to have to receive an O. However, I think Harrry did get an O - he needs it for Auror training; like you said, it will infuriate Snape, & I think Harry should get the satisfaction of knowing Snape's infuriated (although he'll be pretty miffed about spending two more years w/ Snape himself).

Umbridge does seem to imply that Snape runs a pretty advanced class, & we're also given the impression that most of the kids felt much more relaxed during the OWL - I wonder who else will surprise us w/ their acceptance into NEWT Potions (Neville, maybe? Wouldn't that be a shock.)

I see four possible options for NEWT Potions.

1. Harry got an O and will suffer the normal ridicule from Snape as before leaving the current on-going rivalry in place.
2. Harry got an E and will be forced into the NEWT level class giving Snape more of a reason to ridicule Harry with the "Potter can always bend the rules and not suffer the consequences" and make Harry's life more of a living H-E-Double hockey sticks.
3. Harry got an E, Snape got the DADA position, and the new Potions master will accept E on the owls. The rivalry will continue, but in a different classroom setting.
4. Harry got E or less and does not take potions. Although this would relieve the ridicule from Snape, it would cause more anxiety for Harry because all he wanted to do at this point was be an auror for a career. If he is thinking beyond the whole "either will be killed by the other" thing, then this would add another wrinkle to his development.

Personally, I would not be surprised to see Snape move to the DADA and a new Potion Master be introduced. But, that might just be hope because I think that an interesting story line can be developed by making this move.

I see four possible options for NEWT Potions.

1. Harry got an O and will suffer the normal ridicule from Snape as before leaving the current on-going rivalry in place.
2. Harry got an E and will be forced into the NEWT level class giving Snape more of a reason to ridicule Harry with the "Potter can always bend the rules and not suffer the consequences" and make Harry's life more of a living H-E-Double hockey sticks.
3. Harry got an E, Snape got the DADA position, and the new Potions master will accept E on the owls. The rivalry will continue, but in a different classroom setting.
4. Harry got E or less and does not take potions. Although this would relieve the ridicule from Snape, it would cause more anxiety for Harry because all he wanted to do at this point was be an auror for a career. If he is thinking beyond the whole "either will be killed by the other" thing, then this would add another wrinkle to his development.

Great summary! :tu:

I'm still relatively knew to the HPverse, so I'm lost on the whole grading system. I guess I have to read the books again to follow it a little more closely.

Can someone explain to me NEWTs. I got what OWLs are. They are basically what you can and can't take next year, right? Setting you up for your NEWTs? And your NEWTs lead into the job you want when you graduate. Right? I'm so lost... lol

Jen
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Well, I reckon he'll get
DADA: O (nothing more needs to be said)
Transfiguration: E
Charms: E
Care of Magical Creatures: E
Herbology: A
Astronomy: A
Potions: A/E
History: D
Divination: D

These are the best guesses I can make for Harry's O.W.L.'s:

DADA:O (duh)

Transfiguaration: E - only one mistake was mentioned.

Herbology: E - only one mistake was mentioned.

Care of Magical Creatures: O or E - no mistakes were mentioned

Charms: at least an E - only one mistake was mentioned, and Harry is good at charms. Also, Professor Tofty administered this test, and I have a feeling he grades easy, especially for Harry.

History of Magic: D (or T if there is such a thing)

Divination: How can you even grade divination? I have no prediction for this one.

Astronomy: A or E, I think the students taking this O.W.L. will be graded on some type of a curve because of all the distractions.

Potions: O - McGonagall said Snape only accepts "O" students into his N.E.W.T. class, and I can't see JKR taking Potions class out of the books since it's so important to the interaction between Harry and Snape. But, McGonagall also said she would assist Harry to become an Auror if it is the last thing she does, and Harry does often recieve special treatment - so maybe he will get an E and McGonagall will convince Snape (or convince Dumbledore to make Snape) accept Harry into the class. Also, I think the examiner will grade easier than Harry is used to, since Snape fails him whenever he can.

Obviously, I don't know how they grade the O.W.L.'s and we only have Harry's point of view of how the exams went, but it is fun to try and figure out what grades he'll get. I also have a feeling that Harry did even better than he thought, since he tends to underestimate himself.
I think Neville will get way more O.W.L.'s than anyone expected, that Hermione will get O.W.L.'s in everything, and that Ron will probably get one or two fewer O.W.L.'s than Harry, which will of course make him jealous.

I do not know if this has been said or not cause I have not read every post but wouldn't it be funny if there was a mistake and Hermione failed her exams. Imagine if her exams got switched or mistaked for Goyle's or something. Their last names do come rather close alphebetically. And it would make Hermione's boggart come true and have McGonagall tell her that she failed all her exams. Of course this mistake would prob be corrected after a couple of chapters. :p

I dont know about the scores but I am pretty sure he will be taking Newt potions because I saw the cover for the british version of the book and the book on the cover says advanced potions :-)

I'm positive he gets an O in Potions. For one, on the cover the British Adult HBP version, it is a picture of an Advanced Potions book, and two, didn't Snape say he wouldn't take anyone into his Advanced classes if they received less than an O? Or was it E? I can't remember...But I still think its safe to assume he'll be in Advanced Potions. Why would they put that on the cover if it wasn't relevent?

I have a hunch Snape will teach DADA

I think that Harry will be shocked to find that he got O's on all of his exams...because to paraphrase what Fudge once said, everybody has a bit of a soft spot about Harry Potter.

And that's the only way he'll get into Snape's Advanced Potions.

Defense Against the Dark Arts
Outstanding- couldn't be anything but between the DA, extra points from the patronus and Harry general apptitude in the subject.

Care of Magical Creatures
Outstanding- I imagine that Harry pays attention given that a good friend of his teaches the class and that he would probably have recieved any number of notable injuries if he wasn'y paying attention.

Potions
I'm a bit hung up here. Either he will get on Outstanding or an Exceeds Expectations (in which case I think there will be a new potions teacher) but I suspect outstanding if just because I want to see the look on Snape's face when he sees Harry on the attendance list from NEWT potions.

Transfiguration
Exceedes Expectations- He needs if for his carrer path and McGonagall said that she would help him achieve it.

Charms
Exceedes Expecations- That is how Flitwick ranked him and I see no reason for it to have changed.

Herbology
Exceeds Expectations- He will do well; it has never been highlighted as a major talent or weakness. On a side note, Neville will get and Outstanding.

Astronomy
Acceptable- I seem to recall him having to be helped by Hermione on his astronomey homework. He might have scraped an Exceedes Expectations, but for the Hagrid interuption.

Divination
Poor- It will give him an excuse to ditch the class.

O for DADA. After that Patronus demonstration, can there really be anything else?

O/E for Potions. Either he'll get an O and Snape will be really angry, but have to let him in the class, or an E and there will be a new teacher. This could be since they again brought up the issue of Snape teaching DADA in the last book.

E for Charms. I doubt that he'll do too bad here.

E for Transfiguration. He did mess up a little, but some people did worse.

O for CoMC. He seemed pretty confident in this exam, and despite Hagrid's like for monsters, I think he showed them enough in fifth year to make up for that.

D for HoM. Harry answered what seemed to be only a few questions before passing out.

D for Divination. It was meant to happen (no pun intended ;))

But i dont think it's going to matter what he gets on potions for his "Career path" because i recal JKR saying in an interview (to answer a question of why she doesn't go on after book 7) "What makes you so sure that i'm not going to kill off harry?" I hope she doesnt :-\ but even if she doesnt, we wont know what career he does anyway if we end at seven Hm?

Though i still think all of your responses on this topic are really good :o)

I think that he will have done well (O or E or maybe an A) on most subjects, but as far as History of Magic, I think he answers a rousing 2 questions before he passed out and one of the questions he answered was only partial. I could've read this wrong, but I think that's what book five said. Though I don't think he needs that to be an Auror... so it doesn't really matter.

But i dont think it's going to matter what he gets on potions for his "Career path" because i recal JKR saying in an interview (to answer a question of why she doesn't go on after book 7) "What makes you so sure that i'm not going to kill off harry?" I hope she doesnt :-\ but even if she doesnt, we wont know what career he does anyway if we end at seven Hm?

Though i still think all of your responses on this topic are really good :o)

As for not knowing what career he chooses, I don't entirely agree with that. I know that we won't know if he's successful in his career or not, but if she doesn't kill him off then he will have to take the N.E.W.T. classes of those he'll need for his career, which he'll have to have in mind when choosing his classes, after all. So I think we'll know what he's heading for and I hope she'll let us know what he gets on his N.E.W.T.s

I think Harry aced his Defense examination, but for others I am not sure.

I did have a dream once that the 6th HP book came in the mail, and I read that Harry failed ALL of the OWLs. I don't think THAT would happen...just an interesting tidbit.

I've read some fanfic with some outrageous OWL results like all O's but here's my opinion
O's
DADA(obviously)
care of magical creatures
potions as a possibility
E's
Transfiguration
Charms (remember the badger)
Herbology
A's
none
P's
History of Magic(I wonder if Binns has any NEWT level students?)
Divination
well there's my opinion

I think Harry will get an O on:
Transfiguration,
Defence against the Dark Arts,
Charms,
Care of Magical Creatures.
I can't remember any more subjects that he's good at.

For all of you who think he's going to get a high level in Potions, this is all I have to say,
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MINDS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rotfl: NO we are not out of our minds. You have to remember that Harry had a question on the polyjuice potion which of course he knows the answer to also, he said that he was much more at ease with out Snape around.

Harry

O
Defense Against the Dark Arts-come one, it's a given
Potions-The cover of the UK Adult Version and he said it was easier without Snape
Care for Magical Creatures-Hagrid, enough said
Transfiguration-McGonnagal would throttle him if he didn't
Charms-He was at E level during class, but how much he studied bumped him up and seeing Hermione helped to with the Levitation Charm question.

E
Herbology-Don't really know anything about this exam, but he never complained about the class
Astronomy-He fixed his mistakes, but he would barely get it above an 'A'

A
Divination-How do you fail it?
History of Magic-Barely scrapes it, I don't think he will fail one

Results: 7/9 O.W.L.S Not bad, not bad at all

Hermione

O
Defense Against the Dark Arts-Another given because of the DA
Potions-Never once stumbled in the class
Transfiguration-Always got it on the first try
Charms-Always got it on the first try
Care for Magical Creatures-Hagrid
Astronomy-Even the Distractions Wouldn't be enough to falter her
Ancient Runes-Only one mistake known
Arithmancy-Her favorite subject
History of Magic-Only one to pay attention
Herbology-"Good thing Hermione pays attention in Herbology"-Harry SS/PS

Results: 10/10 O.W.L.S should we expect anything less?

Ron

O
Defense Against the Dark Arts-DA
Care for Magical Creatures-Hagrid

E
Charms-Barely
Transfiguration-Barely

A
Astronomy-Just a guess, we were never told his thoughts about this

P
Herbology-just a random guess

D
Divination-Who knows
Potions-It's a given really
History of Magic-Also a given

Results: 4/9 O.W.L.S ouch, poor Ron. Imagine Mrs. Weasley's Reaction :rotfl:

Harry

O
Defense Against the Dark Arts-come one, it's a given
Potions-The cover of the UK Adult Version and he said it was easier without Snape
Care for Magical Creatures-Hagrid, enough said
Transfiguration-McGonnagal would throttle him if he didn't
Charms-He was at E level during class, but how much he studied bumped him up and seeing Hermione helped to with the Levitation Charm question.

E
Astronomy-He fixed his mistakes, but he would barely get it above an 'A'

A
Divination-How do you fail it?
History of Magic-Barely scrapes it, I don't think he will fail one

Results: 6/8 O.W.L.S Not bad, not bad at all

Hermione

O
Defense Against the Dark Arts-Another given because of the DA
Potions-Never once stumbled in the class
Transfiguration-Always got it on the first try
Charms-Always got it on the first try
Care for Magical Creatures-Hagrid
Astronomy-Even the Distractions Wouldn't be enough to falter her
Ancient Runes-Only one mistake known
Arithmancy-Her favorite subject
History of Magic-Only one to pay attention

Results: 9/9 O.W.L.S should we expect anything less?

Ron

O
Defense Against the Dark Arts-DA
Care for Magical Creatures-Hagrid

E
Charms-Barely
Transfiguration-Barely

A
Astronomy-Just a guess, we were never told his thoughts about this

P

D
Divination-Who knows
Potions-It's a given really
History of Magic-Also a given

Results: 4/8 O.W.L.S ouch, poor Ron. Imagine Mrs. Weasley's Reaction :rotfl:
I agree with what you say, though I think if Harry manages to pass divination, then Ron can too. Also, I don't think Harry will pass History of Magic.

I just think he will scrape it, barely

I agree about snape and Defense classes cause he only takes O's and harry of course will get one plus i dont think He got an O in potions regardless of the ease of snapes abscence and we know he needs potions to be an Arouror which we all know he will be.

I think it all depends on the grading scale. I don't know how things are done in the U.K. but if it's a bell curve Harry did o.k. in astronomy - they all stopped paying attention to the sky in the practical. But if it isn't than harry is screwed and the best he can expect is a POOR, he didn't finish and he mislabled venus as I recall

Harry(* = NEWT classes)
DADA: O* (Given)
Charms: O* (I think either Charms or Transfiguration will be an O and the other an E)
Care of Magical Creatures: O* (Didn't let Hagrid down)
Potions: E* (Snape may get the DADA job, but if not Harry may sneak an O)
Transfiguration: E*
Herbology: E*
Astronomy: A (Firenze{sp?} may have a role in HBP)
History: P (Not needed)
Divination: D (One less thing to worry about)

They aren't going to be spectacular, they aren't going to be horrible either, I do not think he'll be in potions even if he wants to be a Aurour, of course the Trio would breeze through all the Defense things, and of course Hermione will outscore everyone cause.. yeah once your on top of the class you tend to stay there.

As much as everyone wants him to, I really doubt that Harry will get an O in potions. I know he said it was easier without Snape around, but still the maximum I see him getting is an E. If he does get into NEWT potions then I think it'll be only because someone like Dumbledore or McGonagall talked Snape into letting Harry into his class, because they know how much he wants to be an Auror. Well only 1 more day till HBP, so we'll find out soon enough.

Well I doubt he's done dreadful. And I don't think he has to worry about getting any Ts.
He breezed through the DADA exam (hey, the patronus scored him bonus points!)
Personally, I'm gonna assume potions will be his worst grade and the rest will be somewhere in the middle, with a possible O (probably E, IMO) in transfiguration if he's really, really, really lucky.

yeah once your on top of the class you tend to stay there
Don't I know it! :p

we know he needs potions to be an Arouror which we all know he will be.

Well we don't know for sure, only Jo does.
Plus you can't know the future (you're forgetting the Heisenburg uncertainty principle! :p .... yeah I know I'm showing off!)

If he does get into NEWT potions then I think it'll be only because someone like Dumbledore or McGonagall talked Snape into letting Harry into his class, because they know how much he wants to be an Auror.
I'm thinking DD will let him do it, possibly because he's trying to prepare him for Voldemort (I'm one of those folks who thinks the PS challenges were a bit of a test). The subjects necessary to be an Auror seem like the obvious choices for him to do.

I always figured he'd fail potions (not get an O, I mean) and fall back to his quittich talents for work.

hmm...
O- DADA, Care of Magical Creatures(?), Potions(?)
E- Care of Magical Creatures(?), Herbology
E or A - Charms, Transfiguration,
A- Astronomy
P, D, or T- Divination, History of Magic

People who believe Harry will get an O in Potions are totally unrealistic IMO. And it is unlikely that he will even get all his OWLs. I think his grades are gonna be as follows:

O- DADA, Charms
E- Transfiguration, Care of Magical Creatures, Herbology
A- Potions
P- Astronomy, Divination
D- History of Magic

Defense Againest the Dark Arts-O
Potions-O
Transfiguration-O
Charms-O
Care of the Magical Creatures-O
Herbology-E
Astronomy-A
History of Magic-D
Divantion-D

(you're forgetting the Heisenburg uncertainty principle! :p .... yeah I know I'm showing off!)

How does the uncertainty in determining the future behavior of sub-atomic particals factor into this? (Also it is Heisenberg not Heisenburg, that is a common mistake though)

The more precisely the position is determined, the less precisely the momentum is known in this instant, and vice versa

I think Snape is a very good teacher as well - Fair? Nopers! But he's tough.

I think Harry just needs to pay more attention in class. I think if he would be able to control his temper, he'd do just fine.

Defense against dark arts -O duh
Potions -E, mabye -A
Transfiguration -E
Charms -E
Care of Magcial Creatures -O
Herbology -E
Astronomy -A, possible -D (see my post on bell curves)
History of Magic -D
Divination -A, (I think he will continue espescially with horse legs teaching)- in addition word might have leaked out about his Buckbeak "premmenition"

I have just had a huge revelation. I mean, somebody probably noticed this earlier but for me this is huge. I was taking a look at the U.K. Adult Cover for HBP and the book in the cover picture says "Advanced Potion Making". So he keeps studying potions! Great!(Well, sort of.) So I am completely positively sure that Harry either acheived an O in potions, or a special case was made for him because he needs to continue his training. I probably sound like a complete dummy. I'm sure plenty of other people must have figured this out like, when the Adult Cover was released. But ah well. I just had a breakthrough so I am SHARING. :rotfl:

No no snape is going to teach DADA where harry got an O so he has to let him in

I don't believe that Dumbledore will ever let Snape teach DADA. Like Jo said, It would bring out the worst in him. It doesn't make sense. To me it seems like Dumbledore is going to instate a proper teacher, maybe Lupin, or a new character.....I think it could be this Felix Felicis guy. Maybe he'll teach it himself, and he'll possibly let Harry continue with the D.A.

Yeah but wouldn't Dumbledore have tought instead of Umbridge- You might be right about Felix though

Woops

I think Harry is going to get 5 OWLs. 1 of them defintely in Defense Against the Dark Arts. Everyone said they were so surprised Fred and George got 3 OWLs each and that was taken as a good mark. Percy got 12 OWLs so getting half of that makes you pretty smart. Remembering that Harry isn't the most intelligent in academics an exception in DADA I think 5 OWLs is a reasonable guess. A bit more than Fred and George but still not bright enough to get half of Percys OWLs.


Hilary :p :blush:

Defense against dark arts -O/O/O or O
Potions -E/A/D (depending on who marks him)
Transfiguration -O/E
Charms -O/E
Care of Magcial Creatures -O
Herbology -E/A
Astronomy -A/D
History of Magic -D/T
Divination -A

thats what i said

Defense Against the Dark Arts: E
Potions: P or A
Transfiguration: O
Charms: O
Herbology: A
Astronomy: A
History of Magic: T
Divination: D

Harry and Ron will get the same grades but Harry will get top grades in DADA out of the trio , while Hermione gets the overall highest from all the students.

Defense Against the Dark Arts: E
Potions: P or A
Transfiguration: O
Charms: O
Herbology: A
Astronomy: A
History of Magic: T
Divination: D

I don't see how he would only get an E in Defense Against the Dark Arts. Gotta be an O. Otherwise that looks pretty good to me.