Dumbledore's trying to tell Harry something in Book 5.

What if these are the last lines of HP 5 ?

“Dumbledore lowered his hands and surveyed Harry through his half-moon glasses.
‘It is time,’ he said, ‘for me to tell you what I should have told you five years ago, Harry. Please sit down. I am going to tell you everything.’”

nah, i don't think it is the ending... i would be pretty upset if it was. what do u think it means though?

Remember in SS/PS, Harry asks, "Why was Voldemort trying to kill me?" Dumbledore replies, "When you are ready you will know..."

Quite personally, I believe it will be revealed that Trelawny predicted that the heir of Gryffindor will end the blood line of Syltherin. Harry and James, of course, being the heirs of Gryffindor.

I am sooo excited though. 157 more days!!!

If that was the end, I'd be pretty upset with Jo!! But that quote makes me very excited!!! Finally, I think, many of our questions are going to be answered! But which questions........?

I was upset with the ending of GoF....a real cliffhanger that lasted about 3 years. I think we will finally see why Voldemort wanted James and Harry dead. We will also see "the old crowd." Why couldn't it be longer though. Honestly, 800 pages isn't enough and the suspense is killing me!

I quote fom PS/SS:

''...but why wouldd he want to kill me in the first place?''
''Alas the first thing you ask me I cannot tell you. Not today. Not now. You will know, one day...''

So maybe that's what he's gonna say, or maybe more about Lily Potter.

Edit: oh geeesh! i took so long thinking and typing this up that someone already wrote what i wanted to write:(

Oh well......

Originally posted by Bilbo
What if these are the last lines of HP 5 ?

“Dumbledore lowered his hands and surveyed Harry through his half-moon glasses.
‘It is time,’ he said, ‘for me to tell you what I should have told you five years ago, Harry. Please sit down. I am going to tell you everything.’”

If she does that it won't be possible to wait another 3 years for the 6th book.

The ending of the book? SHE'D BETTER NOT!!! And I mean that!

Maybe Harry will still be obsessing that Snape is evil, and Dumbledore will tell the whole story about the Marauders versus Snape. And that Snape was the spy who tried to save James. :D Dang, I want Snape justified SOOOO much!

I beleive snape has already been justified, straight from the first book!
If he was really evil and absolutley loathed Harry, i don't beleive he would have saved his life in PS.

Originally posted by Inkwolf
Dang, I want Snape justified SOOOO much!

You and me both! I want people to finally see that he DOES have some goodness in there somewhere under that rough exterior...I swear he does! :lol:

According to the announcement of the released date of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix book, the publisher released a few sentence for us to read. See below.

"Later in the novel, J.K.Rowling writes:"

‘It is time,’ he said ‘for me to tell you what I should have told you five years ago, Harry. Please sit down. I am going to tell you everything.’

What do you think Dumbledore is trying to tell Harry about?

(This will just keep us busy, while waiting for June 21) Enjoy.

I dunno but maybe it's something about Harrys parents. Maybe there not as great and thoughtful as we believe. But going of hoe JKR has written it (The tiny little line we have) it sounds like grave news!!!!!!!!!

Well after I'd destroyed my, and broken everything in site and sat down breathing heavly with a sadistic glint in my eye......
I'd probably say,
"What a great way to finish the book, JKR is an amazing writer."
Then the sadistic eyes will return!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hm. It is most probably something related to Harrys parents, or his background, or possibly a factor in their relationship, or Harrys past, that he doesn't yet know about, whatever it is, it will be interesting. No doubt its something about Lilly and James, possibly relating to Sirius, Peter or even Snape, or perhaps even Voldemort. It will be deep, I'm sure, I really don't know what else it could be though. I can't wait to find out, but til then I'll keep an eye on this thread, you guys usually have brill ideas ;)

I figure it's something about Harry's parents. I think Dumbledore is going to explain about them and Voldemort and finally tell him everything that went on back then.

I can't wait to find out what he actually does tell him! ^_^

I supose it's something about Lily Potter . Remember that in the first book Dumbledore says that she musn't die.

I think it's why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry. At the end of PS/SS, Harry asked Dumbledore this and Dumbledore said he couldn't tell him YET. In the quote from bloomsbury Dumbledore said he should have told Harry this five years ago.

Originally posted by Bilbo
What if these are the last lines of HP 5 ?

?Dumbledore lowered his hands and surveyed Harry through his half-moon glasses.
?It is time,? he said, ?for me to tell you what I should have told you five years ago, Harry. Please sit down. I am going to tell you everything.??


IT would really be out of Rowling's and the Harry Potter books' form for her to end the book right there. All four of the other books end with Harry at least boarding the Hogwarts Express to leave Hogwarts. If the book ended here then it couldn't possibly end at the very end of the year. Even though book four was a claffhanger at the end, there was still a very definite resolve, just as in all the other books. If these lines were the end of book five, then there would be no resolve.

I agree that it probably has something to do with Harry's parents. Maybe it'll turn out that James Potter was a turncoat Death Eater who was found out by the side he betrayed, or something like that, and that's why Voldemort was so anxious to get to them.

JKR has this way of throwing in really surprising things, so I'm sure that whatever it is it'll knock our socks off.

LOL, that would REALLY suck...but it does seem very likely. Although, at the same time, it DOESNT seem likely, because, I can't imagine Bloomsbury posting the end of the story. And I just can't believe that I would have to wait another three years for the end of that conversation.

what if dumbledore tells harry that harry is the heir of Gryffindor(or maybe even Slytherin)

Nah, I'm 99,9999% sure it's not the ending of the book. There are some basic rules for writing a book. One of them is making a logical, appropriate ending. It may leave some space for thoughts, but every writer that respects himself/herself just can't end a book like that. :shrug:

Whatever it is, it will be really thrilling if Harry had to wait for four years to know that! I agree that it's either something about Lily (remember the rumor that something huge will be revealed about her?) or the reason why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry. Or maybe the both things.:D Dreaming, dreaming...

LOL, grrr to the heir theories. They show up EVERYWHERE. But anyways, I think it will be about why Voldemorte wanted to kill Harry in the first place, and about his parents.

Originally posted by Bilbo
What if these are the last lines of HP 5 ?

“Dumbledore lowered his hands and surveyed Harry through his half-moon glasses.
‘It is time,’ he said, ‘for me to tell you what I should have told you five years ago, Harry. Please sit down. I am going to tell you everything.’”

it says in the press release that the quote is from somewhere in the middle of the book - so they wouldnt have an untruthful press release, whould they? i agree - that would not fit in with the rest of the HP books. JKR would end a chapter like that though, lol.

but that quote makes me want to read the book even more!!!

LOL, just a thought, but I think that's why they included that particular quote from the book...

BTW, great sig, manyasha

Maybe it's also why the Dursley have to keep him. Maybe where James Potter got all his money? Why they were in hiding. I hate the suspense!

it would be funny if snape is really james potters brother or lily's brother

from HPSS:

"Well...Voldemort said that he only killed my mother because she tried to stop him from killing me. But why would he want to kill me in the first place?

Dumbledore sighed very deeply this time.

"Alas, the first thing you ask me, I cannot tell you. Not today. Not now. You will know, one day...put it from your mind for now, Harry. WHen you are older...I know you hate to hear this...when you are ready, you will know."

Well, now it's five years later. He's about to have his question answered.

dtpoet

I'm sorry, but how does this fit into this thread at all?

I think the ending of this book will be quite dark and emotional. We know someone dies, and one of JKR favourite characters, which may mean that the character is close to Harry. Therefore, Harry might decide that it is time to come out of his shell and protect everyone of whom he loves. He will work out that people dying is his thought, and it is him that is causing it. He then will make a pledge to himself that no matter what happens, he must not let anyone else be taken as an innocent victim again. He will protect them.

I think that is what is going to happen at the end. Stupid huh!!!

Theres no way thats going to be the ending of the books. It cant be, I wouldnt last another 3 years. I agree that I think we are going to be told why Vodemort wanted to kill Harry and we will learn more about his parents in general. Why on earth was Voldemort after them? I can't understant how Harry has gotten through 4 years of school without knowing this. Oh I can't wait, I think I'm going to explode soon :D

I have this really outlandish theory cooking in my head.

Maybe Harry's dad, James, was a former Death Eater (or Death Eater). Voldemort has said that he kills those that are traitors to his ranks. So James betrayed Voldemort. Here's what I think might have happened. Voldemort was into finding immortality. He planted a living memory of himself in a diary as one of his first attempts to be immortal. A memory that could bring itself to life. That obviously didn't work. He has been trying to achieve the ability of the Phoenix - to be able to die and rise again many times. There was a secret order (Order of the Phoenix) that was trying to discover how to do this.
Voldemort developed a spell that he could cast on a baby that when he died he would arise as that child (like a phoenix - though not exactly the same process).

James Potter offered his son to be the child. Either knowing he could defect with the child or because at the time he was a faithful Death Eaterand and later defected.

Now they had defeated Voldemort, because when he (Voldemort) died they would have raise his new form to be "good" ("It's about the choices you make"). Voldemort found out and killed James as a matter of policy, but when he tried his favorite curse to kill Harry Potter it backfired, because he was killing himself and at the same time "arising" in Harry. That's why Harry has Voldemort's power. Voldemort couldn't finish the curse because he was losing all his power and life energy while the curse was being carried out. This left him with almost no power left.

I think that that is what Dumbledore didn't want to tell Harry.

Yeah i agree i definately think it has something to do with Harry's parents. Perhaps the reason why Voldermort was so keen on killing James Potter. Because there was always a serious threat, that is why they had to go into hiding and get a secret keeper.
There is also the possibility of some other family ties or other relations.

I can't wait to find it... but it just seems so far away

Cheers

‘It is time,’ he said ‘for me to tell you what I should have told you five years ago, Harry. Please sit down. I am going to tell you everything.’

What if this is the last sentence of the book, and we have to wait until book 6 to actually find out what D wants to tell him?

I don't think is true though. We're supposed to learn a bit about James and Lily, and I suspect we'll find out precisely why V is after Harry.

lol, you scareed me,......... but what if it is ? noooooooooo

lol, i dont think so either. i think he is trying to tel him about why he left him at the dursleys, and background about his momy and dad.

Don't we know that something "big" about Lily Potter will be revealed and don't we also know that something is coming with the dursleys that we won't expect...I think we are going to get the entire history in this one...the history of James, Lily, Sirius, Remus, Snape and Peter's generation...I don't think there is any doubt that it will be about them, what else would harry need to know, that he should know, but doesn't...the only answer is what happened to his parents!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Katze
[B]What if this is the last sentence of the book, and we have to wait until book 6 to actually find out what D wants to tell him?

If this is true, I will hurt someone.:angry:


I agree with all of you about Harry's parents. I think it's earth shattering but I think that it is something positive (for lack of a better word) in that he is protected by anceint majic, watch over by DD and others. Also, it has been noted from the beginning that his parents fought againt Voldie (per Hagrid). In CoS, Tom Riddle specifically mentions Lily. I think James was a good guy and got in the way. I think he was after Lily. RKL said we would find out something about her and it is important to know that Harry has her eyes and her wand was good for charms. Maybe she found a way to kill Voldie? I think DD will tell him about Lily.

Didn't you read?
Dumbledore is going to tell him 'everything'. :)

Hehe... that could take a while...

I don't honestly think it'd be the end of the book. The book will end at the end of the school year, just as the other have done.

Unless, of course, DD needs the entire summer holiday to tell Harry 'everything'... ;)

I am guessing it has to do with everything...as stated

OK, I just had this paranoid idea that

1) that quote is a hook to get us to buy the next book, obviously.

2) if DD tells us / harry EVERYTHING, we'll be that much less excited about book 6

3) therefore, DD is going to be interrupted in his telling and

either

4a) DD has to put off his story till book 6

or

4b) DD is killed (please, JKR, no!) and

either

5a) :banghead: We never learn it all

or

5b) We won't learn what DD knew until the end of Book 7


now wouldn't that bite! :yawn: [ <-- question: doesn't that smiley look like it's bawling rather than yawning?]

What DD is going to tell Harry, is obviously about his past; probably his parents or why Voldemort wanted to kill him.

What I'm wondering is:

what happens that makes Dumbledore decide that it's time to tell him?

Is this after the horrible death? A bad choice that Harry has made?

Oooohhhh, the suspense is killing me!!!

nuffler--I agree, DD will probably get interrupted while telling Harry. I'm sure he won't find out everything.

Oh dear....Dumbledore is finally going to tell Harry where babies come from. Poor misinformed Harry, the Dursley's never did tell him anything. :elaugh: :elaugh: :elaugh:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Essbee
[B]Didn't you read?
Dumbledore is going to tell him 'everything'.

Yes, essbee, i did read it:rasp:

Seriously, my point is that I think that Lily is the key to the everything that DD is going to tell Harry. Something big is to be disclosed about Lily and I think that it is the cornerstone of the big spill. I think that everything will include Mrs. Figg, the Dursleys, maybe who exactly gave him the invisibility cloth (it was eluded to put not made explcit), his parent's jobs....hmmm you're right this could take a while. No wonder the book is so long.

Who cares if we are told everything in Book 5, yes the suspense is gone, but we'll get to see all out war against Voldie in book 6&7. And I'll buy HP for that.

The most exciting prospect that the passage suggests is that Dumbledore survives book five. The line, "It is time," he said, "for me to tell you what I should have told you five years ago, Harry. Please sit down. I am going to tell you everything," seems to be one that comes at the end of the book; something seemingly catastrophic must have happened in order for Dumbledore to tell Harry "everything."

Thus we must pose the question:

1. What is that catastrophic event? Someones death? Harry being attacked?

The term "everything" is all embracing; I'm assuming Dumbledore will explain all those niggling questions that have been the source of so much speculation (eg the Gryffindor connection, information about Lily and James Potter).

Ultimately, he'll explain as much as possible but some questions will remain unanswered. Cue book six and seven.

I think DD will, by telling Harry everything. IS probably all the questions he has asked DD. And more about his ihistory. The reason why they were killed. Or will Harry find that out form Voldy?

As ahsweape said, the books have a relatively stable structure. The four books that we have received thus far have introduced Harry residing at the Dursleys, not necessarily in the first chapter, but Privet Drive is the always the first place that we reencounter Harry. OotP seems to be following this same formula. Similarly, the books, thus far, have always concluded with Harry boarding the Hogwarts Express and returning to the Dursleys. Why would JKR change something that works?

Besides, JKR is writing a book for each of Harry's years at Hogwarts. If, hypothetically speaking, OotP did finish with a "cliffhanger" type scenario (as illustrated above) Harry would still be in his fifth year at the beginning of book six. I don't think this is going to happen, somehow...

Honestly, 800 pages isn't enough

Thats almost as long as Lord of the Rings so I think I'm OK with it.

He's going to tell Harry that there is a reason he has started having feelings for Ginny instead of Cho, and that it's because they are destened to be together. Ok... too many fanfics. Seriousally, this whole quote is taken soo much out of context that it really can mean anything. I guess that's what drives our spectulation. 'Everything' may not be EVERYTHING. Meaning that there is most likely some conversation happening before this scene and DD is going to tell Harry everything about the subject that they have been taliking about.... whatever it is. I agree with everyone that it has something to do with his parents and most likely his mother.

If that is the ending of the 5th book. OMG!!!
I will be mad. And I didn't really like the ending of the 4th. Sumethign else could ahve been said. Well. If that wa the ending. Oh wellz. But what questions will be answerewd?

Funny, I was just about to agree with the theory, to a certain extent, mind you.

I am more inclined to believe that the excerpts: Dumbledore lowered his hands and surveyed Harry through his half-moon glasses.
'It is time,' he said, 'for me to tell you what I should have told you five years ago, Harry. Please sit down. I am going to tell you everything.'

.. will be put into one of the last chapters of OotP. We usually gets the rational of JKR's plots at the very end, right? So I think, the excerpt could possibly be the first line of one of the last chapters.

If my calculation is correct, at the beginning of OotP, Harry would only known Dumbledore for about four years, and he questioned Dumbledore on the matter only at the end of PS/SS. And if it is so, then only at the end of the term would Dumbledore's statement, 'It is time, for me to tell you what I should have told you five years ago, Harry.' prove some timeline validity.

:D

good point, periwinkle - i didnt even think of the timeline thing. :)

I agree with periwinkle, the excerpt will probably be somewhere near the end (you never know, but that does fit the general structure of the last four books), but I doubt it'll be AT the end of the book. If the ending was such a great cliffhanger, they wouldn't just give it to us like that, would they? What a way to spoil an ending!

I think I was one of the first people to know about this. I posted it on my role playing thing before we got started.

If that ends the book with no more, I think I would throw my book out the window! Not because it's bad, but because it's a cliffhanger!!

We know TYPICALLY at the end of the book he is one his way to the Dursley's. I think this conversation between DD and Harry will be between end of term exams and the final feast. Isn't that when MOST of the 'excitement' happens? Why should this time be any different??

Excellent point periwinkle.

If that is the last line of the book, however, I will hunt down JKR and :bite: her until she tells me everything. That would be totally cruel to leave us hanging like that. I mean we were hanging at the end of GoF, but not that bad.

I also agree with everyone that Dumbledore will tell Harry about his parents, their history with Voldy and why Voldy wanted/wants Harry killed.

Dumbledore may even, hopefully, explain his look of triumph from GoF.

*laughs at picko's post* :rotfl:

Anyway, that quote just about made me drool... so many possibilities... so many months of theories could be proven or disproven after that one single quote...

My personal opinion agrees with dtpoet's. JK has a way of bringing back things mentioned long before and making them much more significant than they seemed. I would imagine, looking at the structure of the previous books, that DD will be telling Harry this either after some big encounter with Voldemort, or once Harry knows he will be encountering Voldie soon (sort of as preparation).

How nice it is to have two new (though really quite unmeaningful) Harry Potter quotes. I must be in heaven :D

If she makes those the last lines of the book, I'll swear to God that I'll never read another HP book again!!! (I don't think i could resist not reading them again. I'll read them again. God you know how strong willed I am!! heehee!)

It's funny that when I suggested the books follow a rather strict formula that I got shouted at lots. When we need to resolve the location of the DD quote my argument gets used.

Harry, since the CoS in anycase, (usually - but not always) has two meetings with a year with Dumbledore. One about half way through where learns something quite big, and one towards the end when DD usually explains something really big. Of course, there's no guarantee this'll be the case in the OotP.

Good point about the five year thing. By the end of the OotP it'll have been FOUR years since Harry questioned DD in the infirmary at the end of the PS. Somebody e-mail Bloomsbury quick. (I had to use my fingers to count it out).

One thing that stikes me as funny is why would anyone lie in a flower bed? On the lawn maybe, but flower a flower bed?

There's a thread discussing that here (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4721), Myrddin. I've already put my two cents worth regarding the flowerbed quote in that thread :)

Its a possibility i guess.......
If that was the ending, i like most would go totally out of my mind. Having to wait all this time for the book then left with a cliff hanger like that. However i have a feeling that by the time you got to that quote on the last page you would have a fair idea of what Dumbledore was about to talk about.
Well anyway i guess we'll just have to wait and see

I believe that it will be answers to most of the questions that we have asked (the sensible ones anyway). However, for each question that is answered I do think that more will become apparent, and it will be these that will be unanswered...

I dont think JKR is that cruel, she might be, but I hope not...

This probably doesn't belong here but it's just a thought and anyhow it's been discussed to death already. So maybe this'll just be a small de-tour.

If Dumbledore discloses something enormous to Harry, then Dumbledore himself as a character then by and large becomes redundant does he not? I think this thought line can be followed to it's logical conclusion without any further help from me.

Enough said.

*Off topic* lanifiel, I've just read your new signature. What happened? I thought your art was great.

Didn't mean to upset anyone, just my little joke...

It'll be about his parents I should think. Can't be much else really.

I believe that it's either about Voldermort, Harry's parents or maybe even himself (Dumbledore).

I think that the "secret" will reveal a lot of questions and also answer a lot of questions. It's going to be something big. Very big.

I have a few possiblities in my head. I can't wait to read what it is.

I think the end should end in a sad or dark note.

Maybe an close which leaves you by Voldermort's side. Or a death. But I prefer a Voldermort close. After all the drama, and the death, and after everybody has left Hogwarts, you move to another paragraph and Voldermort is there at the ending sentence. I think it'll be pretty cool.

Maybe Voldermort going:
"Soon, I shall have my revenge."

-After the end of school, I think it'll be pretty mysterious ending like that. I think that all of the books sort of end happily, but I hope this one has a change. I would love a dark ending. Leaving you suspended and wondering what Voldermort is up to.

Oooh ooh ooh! Maybe whatever Dumbledore tells him will include what exactly is up with Snape! Woohoo! I'm dying to know!! I personally think he's some sort of spy, most likely for Dumbledore, I can't wait to find out whether I'm right!

I also think Dumbledore will reveal that he can see into the future. I've got this theory going where fifteen years ago Dumbledore looked into the future and saw all these events happen, the Potters being attacked, Harry going to the Dursleys, the adventures in the books, and he's had to let them all play out somehow, only making little changes here and there to steer things in the right direction (like putting Harry on the Dursley's doorstep). Now he's revealing all this stuff to him because Harry's finally old enough to fully understand it, and he needs explanations as to why things happened. I've sort of gotten this idea through the constant mentioning of future telling, such as that weird conversation between the centaurs in book one, and professor trelawney's prediction etc. They're like foreshadows, or hints at what Dumbledore is truly capable of.

But maybe I'm just crazy. It sounds a bit nuts but in my head it makes sense you know?

I assumed it was why Voldemort came after the Potters, but surely book 5 has to leave some questions unanswered. I hope it's not the whole heir of Gryffindor thing because I'm bored of that idea! And it would be much too cruel to put that extract at the end.

I hope it's why Voldemort killed his parents and what they did for a living. That surely can't spoil the rest of the series can it?

I personally don't think that this is at the end of the year. I think that maybe something happens to harry in the middle of the year or maybe Hermiony stumbles upon some information during her many library hours and she tells Harry. Maybe it upsets Harry and since Dumbledore always seems to know what is going on he realizes what has happened. Dumbledore then feels obligated to tell Harry some information i think pertaining to the real reason Voldemort wanted to kill the Potters.

I never really understood why, of all powerful witches and wizards, Voldemort would specifically target the potters...there has to be some big explanation as to why the precautions, which ultimately failed, were necessary to protect the family...

I want to know!!!! Alas June 21st seems so far away...

Yes, I think He will tell Harry the history of his family, Voldemort and others question Harry might have during his question/answer scene.
This is might be in the chapter 2 before last, JKR might just show only that sentence then switch to normal Harry live by making Harry heard it but not us. Then book six Harry might thought out loud what Dumbledore said.

yea, but if Harry's parents were so important in the wizarding world, why hasn't anyone else told him about them? Surely they would know? And they know Harry was raised by muggles who didn't tell him anything. I don't know, but maybe they don't want to bring up such a "touchy" subject. Hermione may be able to find somehting if his parents are famous - Harry's in all these books, yet he's never read them, and Hermione has, so maybe it says something about his parents? But I still odn't get why no one will talk to him about it, even Ron and Hermione....

I think it could be several things.

1. about James and Lily together at Hogwarts.
2. About each of their families
3. What James and Lily did after Hogwarts
4. About the event that led up to their deaths.
5. Why Voldie wanted him dead in the first place.
6. The threat that Harry is to Voldie even today.

I don't think Dumbledore will tell Harry about Snape. We, as an audience, may find out about him, or Snape may tell Harry, but Dumbledore wouldn't tell Harry.

I think we will find out that Harry is the heir of gryffindor and all about Harry's parents and his protection.

Originally posted by EvilMeghan
yea, but if Harry's parents were so important in the wizarding world, why hasn't anyone else told him about them?

This is a really good point and one I have often thought about. In the first book he even states that most poeple know more about him than he does, yet no one tells him anything and he doesn't go looking. Do you think that there is some sort of block from him getting the info and that it will be broken when DD tells him everything?

harry cannot be heir of slytherin because the only reason that the sorting hat even considered harry to go in slytherin, it was only because of his scar, which was a transfer of some of voldemort's power to harry, which gave him parseltongue and some of his strength, and even the wand core thingy. but only a true gryfindor could pull the sword out of the hat and cal fawkes to him.

I agree with everyone who's said "everything" refers to Harry's parents and why Voldemort was after him. I don't think it'll be toward the end, though; rather, I think it'll serve approximately the same function in the plot as the revelation Sirius and James were friends in PoA. Moreover, I don't think it'll be motivated by a catastrophic event (at least directly), but some sort of internal crisis for Harry.

Who said Harry was Sytherin's heir? Voldemort is the heir of Syltherin. I said he was heir of Gryffindor.

I think people don't tell Harry because it isn't their business and that they don't know everything about them. They know they fought against Voldemort and that was all.

I agree that the 'thing' Dumbledore has to tell to Harry has something to do with the reasons why Voldemort went after him. It seems like a reason Harry should be aware of for his own safety.

All i will say is that if she ends the book like that i swear i'll burn all of England!!!!!!!!!! J/K i'll probably just hide and cry in my room until book 6

Whatever the ending may be, it's going to be long time before book 6 comes to town. I mean, if it's true that she's going to have a baby, she is definitely not going to have time for us; that is, she's not going to be thinking about Book 6 anytime soon. ..or writing it for that matter.

I predict 3 years for the next one. I know in her mind that she has to continue to "out-do" herself in subsequent books so if you thought she was careful in writing this one....well, I'm going to say that we'll have to go through the torment once again.

I am hoping that the book will end nicely, not with such a big cliffhanger like in 4. I'm sure Voldy will be even more powerful and I think nothing will be resolved with regards to him until book 7 anyway....so I'm hoping for a couple of quick battles and some answers to a couple of minor questions. I hope that relationships will bud and Fred and George become key players in the future.

Double check the first part of the quote:

“Dumbledore lowered his hands and surveyed Harry through his half-moon glasses.

If DD had to lower his hands before he looked at Harry, it kind of suggests he had his hands over his face - like someone experiencing great sadness or grief. It also hints that whatever caused this is part of the reason DD now realizes he should have told Harry this five years ago.

We know there's going to be a terrible death. Has it happened? Has DD realized it might not have happened if Harry had had more information?
Or might it simply be that he realizes he can't protect Harry from the truth any longer? That, as things become more dangerous, he can't even be sure he'll have a chance later on to pass on the truth?

Of course, it might just be that Harry has broken one too many rules, DD had enough, and he has to lower his hands after pinning Harry against the wall (just kidding).

Off-topic- Is it just me? Or has this thread been merged with another one? One called like "Ending of OOTP"?

Maybe Dumbledore will say that and then just before he begins someone bursts in and interrupts. I can just imagine Snape running in there yelling "DUMBLEDORE! DON'T TELL HIM, IT'LL DESTROY US ALL!!!!!!!!!" or something like that. So maybe I'm being over dramatic but it'd be just like publishers to give us this really juicy quote to get us to buy the book and then when we get to reading it Dumbledore doesn't even get the chance to say what he was planning to say.

That's a very good idea...maybe that will happen. It'll be very funny!

Actually, since all the other books have ended with them leaving Platform 9 3/4 and discussing how they'll contact each other over the summer I doubt it would end that way. Plus they can't stay at Hogwartz over the summer and if he has continued to send Harry back there for the last 4 years, why would this one be different?

I think it might be that harry is the heir of slytherin.

Unless, JKR does "the Star Wars" thing, which she, herself, said she wasn't doing, it is impossible for Harry to be Slytherin's heir. As for Gryffindor's heir, that is another story...

Well, I beleve that Dumbledore will tell him everything, and when I say everything I mean it. He'll tell Harry about his father background, the huge thing about his mother and even why he had to stay with Dursleys.
I beleve we'll found out Snape's story but not at this conversation.
oh.. and I'm 2364% sure that it's not the end of the book.

I doubt it'll be about DD himself because it's something he should have told Harry five years ago. Why should DD tell Harry something secret about himself when he'd barely met him?
I'm 97% certain that "everything" is about Harry's past, 82% certain that its the answer to Harry's question at the end of bk1 "why would V want to kill me in the first place?", 79% certain that this was to do with a prophecy made about Harry's destiny (Prof. Trelawney's 1st prediction?), and 100% certain that I have a unhealthy obsesion with percentages.

ok i think that this quote will be at the end, but not the last line. i mean, it could be after harry meets voldemort again and is in the hospital wing, where everything is always explained. but he's not in the hospital wing this time, he's out on the hogwarts lawn, when dumbledore says that he should have exlpained junk 5 years ago, like he should have told him after he first met voldemort, right? everything should have been told to him then. and the quote never said that he was at the dursley's or somewhere else, or even alone. he could be at the burrow, or at godric's hollow when dunbldore says this. noone knows!

And I'm 101% sure that I haven't quite got the hang of maths yet...

It won't be at the end. Like I said, the books have always followed a pattern of the school year before now, and I don't see why this should change for the fifth book. Especially since it is so long anyway!

Here's a thought. What if what Dumbledore is going to say has something to do with one of the words on the auction card? If so, what are those words again?

Sacked, House-elf, Broom, umm, Ron...

So, DD tells Harry that his mother had a house-elf called Ron who got sacked for nicking her broom.

OK, maybe not. Someone else have a better idea, please!!!

I am going to stick to the "Harry you are Gryffindor's heir," theory. It is a classic, but it makes sense...

That being said, I can't wait for Book 5, in which no one will have predicted anything correctly.

Originally posted by Filia Tenebrarum
79% certain that this was to do with a prophecy made about Harry's destiny (Prof. Trelawney's 1st prediction?), and 100% certain that I have a unhealthy obsesion with percentages.

Ditto. About both things! ;)

Do you reckon if it was something to do with Harry's destiny that it might have something to do with the centaurs? I'm dying to know what they have to do with anything

Hurrah, book five is coming! Hurrah hurrah! :clappy: :clappy: :clappy:

*skips around the room*

Dumbledore lowered his hands and surveyed Harry through his half-moon glasses.

why did dublmefore lowered his hand?

that question had been troubleing me for a while, wher they doing some magic?

Maybe he was just adjusting his glasses. It's hard to tell with such a little amount of information, but if this was one of the famous Dumbledore speeches in his office then he's probably sitting at his desk rubbing his head at all the strange things that have been happening.

It will not be at the end off the book, because then JKR will have to write eight books and she said that she isn't. So there is no possibility of it being the last line in the book.

Can't wait, I just can't wait!!! 154 days it's going to kill me!!!

Yeah, I reckon DD had his head in his hands. He's gotta be very troubled about summat to tell Harry 'everything' anyway. Or maybe he is feeding thoughts into his pensieve, and then he comes up with the desescion (ack, can't spell that word!) to tell Harry everything.

Whatever everything might be.

I think (and hope) that Dumbledore will tell Harry why Voldemort wanted James and Harry dead. And why he didn't want to kill Lilly(you would think Voldemort wouldn't care who or why he killed).

Dumbledore lowered his hands and surveyed Harry through his half-moon glasses.

"It is time," he said "for me to tell you what I should have told you five years ago, Harry. Please sit down. I am going to tell you everything."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have an idea for why Dumbledore had his hand up and then he lowered it in order to talk to Harry. He say "Please sit down" that means Harry is on his feet. And Dumbledore's tone is soothing and apologizing.

That's my story:Maybe something happened and Harry learned something he didn't know about his family and now is furious. He goes to Dumbledore's office and demands from Dumbledore the truth. Sirius is there and he try to stop him and pretend that they hide nothing from him.But Dumbledore has take his decesion.He put up his hand to stop Sirius from talking (He did it at the end of GoF as well), offered Harry a seat and started telling "everything"

I don't think Sirius will be there somehow, he isn't normally. He was there for Dumbledore's chat in GOF but that was for support, this quote sounds like it'll be halfway through the book when Harry isn't quite in desperate need of support yet.

I'll quote Emerson from Mugglenet.com here on his theory about what's really going to happen in book 5, regarding the Dumbledore-Harry tell-all conversation we've been teased with.

When Dumbledore will tell Harry everything
Dumbledore lowered his hands and surveyed Harry through his half-moon glasses.

"It is time," he said "for me to tell you what I should have told you five years ago, Harry. Please sit down. I am going to tell you everything."

When I read those words, I immediately assumed that we would get to know "everything" by reading the fifth book, but then I had a thought -- what if those are the last words of the book? It would be a very frustrating cliffhanger, but a great lead-in to the sixth book.

Think about it this way: If that was the ending, nobody could read the fifth book and then not read the sixth book. More book sales? So far JKR has ended every book at the end of the year at the train station, but we know book 5 is going to be very different. What do you think? Leave your comments below.

Edited: I had another thought: Dumbledore says "...should have told you five years ago, Harry." If he says this at the beginning of the book then it would be incorrect, as Harry has only known he was a wizard for four years. BUT, if he says it at the end of the book, then it would be about five years. Hmm?
Posted by Emerson on 01/17/03


I swear.....I would FREAK OUT if that happened. I would have to try *incredibly* hard to conceal my anger in that situation. I would think, "How could JK do this to her fans, after they waited patiently for so long?" I would feel betrayed.

I really want to see other people's reactions to Emerson's theory, because I was certainly very frazzled when I realized he might be right.

What if he is right? What if we're left with a cliffhanger? How would you react?

Rowling's been very consistent with us so far, so I don't think those will be the last words. :) Dumbledore might say that right after the book's climax, but I'm thinking the book will end at Platform 9 3/4 just like the other ones have. If it doesn't, I'll feel so cheated!

I thought of that too, but book six is meant to be all on the sixth year at Hogwarts.

Unless, Harry doesn't make it to his seventh year. Book five will be the first half of fifth year. Book six will be the second half and book seven will be his sixth year, but he dies.

No, can't be... JK has stated that there will be a book for all of Harry's 7 years at Hogwarts.

I think that Dumbledore will say that about 3/4 of the way in. Something will happen and he will have to tell Harry everything.

And I think this thread should be in the Great Hall...

I certainly hope those aren't the parting words of book five! I don't if I could go another 2 years NOT knowing what great information Dumbledore was about to divulge to Harry. That's just cruel and unusual punishment. Personally, I think that will come around the last half of the book, but not the very end.

I considered that, and, unfortunately, it sounds plausible. It would be a great ending for the sixth book to follow up to, but I could not stand waiting for a few more years. I would scream if those were the last words in the book.

Though it sound plausible I don´t think it will happen because I am pretty sure that would be a VERY flat way to make people go and buy book 6 but since I beliebe JKR is not doing it anymore simply for the money like she might be before SS I am convinced it won´t happen that way.
It might well be at the end of the book one of those Harry-Dumbledore conversations before the end of the year, the feast and the departure.

I really think DD and Harry will have that conversation the week between exams and final feast. That seems to be the week all the climaxes happen. He will tell Harry everything then have the feast and he will go home.

Haha - I thought the same. I think D is going to say this during the book. We're supposed to find out informationa bout Harry's parents, and Harry is supposed to start asking questions.

My fear is that D is going to say this and die right after without telling harry anything ;)

I think he will get interupted at some point. But anways..

If I can find JK in a chat somewhere before the book comes out, I'll beat all the children with a cyber stick so I can be first to ask a question, then I'll ask her if this quote is from part of the book or at the very end. Then all of us may speculate in peace. :)

From the line, he sounds pretty healthy, at least not on the brink of death. I doubt that she would leave us with that much of a cliffhanger - it's rather hard to pick up and far from the best ending - but if Rowling played with the idea of going out of Harry's point-of-view a bit more...while I couldn't see it here, this might end a chapter - second-to-last, maybe? - and then abandon Harry's point of view for later. The problem is, I remember the article saying this was from the middle of the book, and it doesn't seem like something Rowling would do. Another easier and cruel way to twist out minds would be to keep Dumbledore's words out of print. Now that would be evil.

Hmm, maybe. But DD could have his hand up to stop anybody saying something, not just Sirius.

I don't really see Harry getting so mad about not being told something that he'd storm up into DD's office though. It was kind of a fluke that he got in there last time, so I don't suppose that he'd manage it again.

However, there could be other reason as to why Harry is in DD's office. It's usually because something bad has just happened. Maybe Harry has another premonition, like in GoF, but this one is about something that happened in the past, and his mom/dad is involved, and so Harry wonders if he/she's alive or something, or wonders about something in it, so goes to Dumbledore.

Another possibility. DD tells Harry to be on the lookout for something to happen. It does, but Harry doesn't understand what significance it has. He goes up to DD anyway, and tells him that's it has happened, and gets upset because DD won't tell him and starts to rant about it, whereupon DD puts his hand up to Harry, tells him to be quiet. Then he pauses, lowers his and and asks Harry to sit down, saying that he'll tell him everything.

OK, got a few more theories, but they can wait until people have had their say about these!

Wow, you've all been coming up with some alternatives that are almost as bad as, if not worse than, Emerson's theory! I've got a feeling that one of them at least is going to be the case; probably Tarawyn's idea that JK will keep the conversation out of print, and we'll have to find out what D'dore told Harry in bits and pieces as Harry recalls Dumbledore's words later on. That would......just really suck.

I reckon the climax of Book 5 will occurr at the end of the book, as the previous four books have followed this pattern, the capture of the SS, the enterance into the CoS, the revalation of Sirius, and the resurrection of Voldemort, have all been the most climatic events of Books 1-4, and I'm sure the most climatic event of Book 5 will happen Junish, around the time Harry has known he's been a wizard for (almost) 5 years, and this is where the line will fit in.

At least I hope. :wow:

I doubt this would be a cliffhanger, because then part of it would have to be in book 6, so then the books wouldn't be neatly divided by year anymore. I think it's probably somewhere in the falling action after the climax, like after Harry battles Voldemort or whatever. Each book has had a part at the end where somebody does a lot of explaining of stuff in the book, and that's probably what this is.

I think Dumbledore will just go over the details that was orginally in the letter that he left with Harry at the Dursleys. Possibly explaining his parents were Wizards, a little about Hogwarts and possibly that Mrs Figgs was his keeper - also Sirius would be in contact as he hadn't been accused of any crime then.
Do we think that all books will be based around Hogwarts? - could Harry exchange for a year or possibly the events surrounding the rise of Voldemort mean that the final year is on a more practical level (learning on the job)

I do not think that she will do that to us. But then again that would make a good start for Book Six. I think I would throw the wheel of time out of my Truck window if that happened. Ma always said not to read and drive anyways.

"Liars Prosper"
-anonymous.

i think d will tell harry right away. maybe that can start the whole year with a reaveling thing. who knows!? that might unwind the whole book.

I think he'll tell him during the climax of the book. That's when he's told Harry most of what he knows anyway of the duration of the last four books :p....or at least, that's when the most information has been revealed. It will probably be towards the end of the book...but that definetly won't be the last words. If they are, I will be seriously miffed :D

Oooh I am soo excited to find everything out! Maybe we'll finally get to know why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry, what his parents did for a living (I think they were Aurors..)...what his parents' lives were like, about his grandparents (on both sides..).

I CAN'T WAIT!!

i honestly dont have a clue

There are some really interesting theories in this thread. Mine is sort of a combination of
jensMAN's and SusanC's theories.

What if Voldemort was searching for a way to make himself immortal, so he was trying to get all of the best Wizards to join him.

They sort of imply by Snape's fondness for Draco Malfoy that the Malfoys might be good at potions. In fact, it may have been Snape's skill at potions that got him chosen as a death eater in the first place.

Now (I think) Voldemort says that Lily was good at charms. Perhaps he recognized her brilliance and was trying to recruit her. She was obviously well versed in both modern and old magic. She must have been good, or how could she have made a charm that Voldemort was able to "overlook". A charm that eventually led to his demise.

I think that Lily was a lot like Hermione. Very knowledgable and good at spells. But I don't think that Lily would have any interest in joining Voldemort.

The question I have is this. Would Lily's refusal of Voldemort's "request" be enough to have them hunted down by the death eaters? Both Voldemort and Wormtail said that Lily need not have died. Is this because Voldemort did not consider her a threat, or is it because Lily is the only member of the family that he did value.

Originally posted by Lavender*Quill
I beleive snape has already been justified, straight from the first book!
If he was really evil and absolutley loathed Harry, i don't beleive he would have saved his life in PS.

Dumbledore explained that. He said Snape did it so he could "hate his memory in peace" (meaning James Potter's).

Okay, I think that Dumbledore is going to tell harry about his family. I think that there are many things that harry doesn't know about his family. His aunt and uncle hate him and when Harry ask them questions about his parents they get mad. Harry knows nothing about them. I think that Harry will learn that he is Gryffindor's heir, he will learn why you-know-who wanted to kill him and not his mother, he will learn that he has a purpose and what that purpose is. I also think that Harry will be very mature by his fifth year at hogwarts. Dumbledore proabaly waited this long because harry wasn't ready yet. I also think that Dumbledore will tell harry this towards the end of the book. It will happen after harry has defeted what ever he has to come up agianst, and like in every other book when Dumbledore sees harry after his "battle" something is usually revealed. I think that JKR will follow this same time line. It is her writing stlye, and it has worked very well in the past.

Do you think the reason the book might be so thick is because of all the explaining at the end of the book? I was just thinking, Dumbledore's big, revealing speeches are usually at the end of the book just after the falling action, as someone up there somewhere said. When I read Goblet of Fire the first time I got to the part where Harry was transported back to Hogwarts and though "right, now they just have to do a do a chapter or so of explanations to resolve all the mysteries and then they'll send him home on the train again." Then you look at the bit where all the explanation takes place and it's like, a HUGE chunk of the book. I've got a feeling the reason Order of the Phoenix is longer than GOF is because there will be even more discussion at the end of the book to resolve its more mysterious aspects, and it sounds like this "I will tell you everything" quote will start that all off.

In other words, yeah, I think Dumbledore will tell Harry everything in book five, and not leave it as a cliffhanger. It's probably why the books so thick.

I am so confused with all these theories runnig around, I really don't know what to think. I know one thing, she will not end the books there. That's silly and she's too clever for it. I think Harry will find out about his family, that's the most logical thing I can think of.
Incidentaly the 5th book comes out on my birthday... best present one could wish for.

cheers

I think, when five years ago. After Harry had defeated Voldemort in PS. Harry had asked why Voldemort wanted to kill him. Dumbledore had said he'd tell him when the right time comes. So maybe that'll be what he's going to tell Harry. Why Voldemort wanted to kill him.

Hagrid believed he shouldn't have been the one to tell Harry about how his parents died, at the start of Philosophers Stone. So perhaps as this was five years ago, this is what Dumbledore will tell Harry.
Who he is, what he is, who his parents were and what they did to quell Voldemorts powers. This could then involve a trip to a new country to visit family he never knew or to visit Sirius, who would be able to help him understand his parents legacy.
Right at the begining of the book (1) Dumbledore says "Voldemort had powers I will never have" then McGonagall replies "only because you're too - well- noble to use them"
Does this mean that Dumbledore will also disclose he faced the choice of defeating Voldemort but only by using bad magic or saving the Order of the Phoenix.
Could Ginny also have some news that would help Harry because she had long conversations with Tom Riddles Diary - could she give a hint on what he fears most?

JKR has already confirmed that something huge will be revieled about Lilly Potter. I'm sure that's what Dumbledore is refering to. Hopefully, he'll tell the whole story of the Potters and Voldermort. But in the very least We'll find out much more about Lilly

The family explanation that Harry hasn't had is probably what DumbleDore is going to tell Harry. But perhaps he will also reveal some things about V that he hasn't shared previously-possibly the full extent of V's powers, his full history, unknown people whom Harry should be on his guard against, things of that sort. Or perhaps he'll tell the story of the Order of the Phoenix. We can't know for sure until June 21st.

WOW! I haven't been on CoS forums in a while because I'm back at school....homework....you know the story.

Anyway....I had no idea that the release date to the 5th book was announced! Can anyone give me a link to the trascript?? I would really like to read it! When is the date? ...I'm so excited...:coolblue:

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix will come out on June 21st. You can read the transcrpt from Bloomsbury here -> http://www.bloomsburymagazine.com/Childrens/news.asp

I'm pretty sure there was a BIG banner thing above all of the forums with this announcement, though.

I think that that when Dumbledore tells Harry "everything" it is likely to take a couple of chapters! :p So, it is quite likely that is why the book is so long.

He's telling him about his parents.

I believe that Dumbledore will indeed tell Harry everything. However, that doesn't mean Dumbledore will die soonafter. Nor does it mean that the series will lose flavor. Harry needs to know everything....

....Voldemort has been reborn. The series will now focus on the fight of good vs. evil.

We can make logical assumptions about what D is going to say, but D is a very spontaneous character, very hard to judge what he'll do next. So instead we should think what Harry NEEDS to know, instead of what D is likely to tell him. Which is obviously about his parents. But something that has been troubling me is that "glint of triumph" that D has in his eyes at the end of the fourth book. Perhaps it's something about Voldemort that D is to tell Harry. Because there's so much Harry doesn't know about Voldemort's time of power. So who knows? Can't wait to find out!!

Was the glint of triumph in Dumbledores eye because he knows that Voldemort is now tied to harry because of his blood- will it mean that Harry will have clearer images of what Voldemort is doing - no need for a spy.
How will Pettigrew repay his debt to Harry, he didn't help him in the deatheaters circle? I think the Burrow is a likely place for voldemort to strike as Pettigrew knows where it is and just about all its secrets.

Could Dumbledore hint at what the Centaurs meant in book 1 - they have also made predications form the stars?

That could be it. Maybe it's like Dragon Heart(the movie). They have a bound, Harry and Voldemort. If Harry dies, so will Voldemort. But if Voldemort dies, maybe Harry will die or maybe not. But then Harry will have the power to control or defeat Voldemort. Because there is a blood bound. So Voldemort will try his best to kidnap Harry and make him immortal like himself.

Is this the right place to talk about this subject? I get confused coz there's so many threads and stuff. I'm not sure where we're allowed to talk about what. :S

Maybe D going to tell Harry about a connection he now has with Voldie. That would be interesting, but bad for Harry. ;)

That's what I'm talking about. The bound. Dumbledore might talk about it to Harry right?

Originally posted by hermiones mum
How will Pettigrew repay his debt to Harry, he didn't help him in the deatheaters circle?

Could Dumbledore hint at what the Centaurs meant in book 1 - they have also made predications form the stars?

These are both things I've wondered about for a while. Pettigrew has to pay Harry back sometime, do you think it will be the falling action in the next book?

I definitely think the centaurs will have something do with Dumbledore's explanations. I think they predicted something from the stars about Harry before he was born - their words in the forest said as much, in book one - and told Dumbledore, because Dumbledore seems to know everything that's going to happen, but has to let Harry fight it out for some reason, probably because you can't mess with the intricacies of time.

BTW - Just for the sake of clarification, you guys mean a "bond" between Harry and Voldemort because of the blood thing, not a "bound" right? I just need to check I'm on the same wavelength here.

Originally posted by gillyweed_sensation
These are both things I've wondered about for a while. Pettigrew has to pay Harry back sometime, do you think it will be the falling action in the next book?

I definitely think the centaurs will have something do with Dumbledore's explanations. I think they predicted something from the stars about Harry before he was born - their words in the forest said as much, in book one - and told Dumbledore, because Dumbledore seems to know everything that's going to happen, but has to let Harry fight it out for some reason, probably because you can't mess with the intricacies of time.

I agree.

Originally posted by gillyweed_sensation

BTW - Just for the sake of clarification, you guys mean a "bond" between Harry and Voldemort because of the blood thing, not a "bound" right? I just need to check I'm on the same wavelength here. [/B]

they have a bond in two ways now. The attack that caused the scar passed on some of Voldemorts talents (harry has only experienced the better ones!). Now Voldemort has his blood could he become intune with what voldemort is up to. He experienced flying to Voldemorts house in book 4. Could there be a charm on Harry - which was partly transferred with the blood :wow:

I think I don't have much to say, what I think is mostly what you guys already wrote.
I can't hardly wait to see which one of you guys's prediction closed to what JKR wrote.
I would also like to see how harry handle his teenage hormone stuffs that starting running through him.

I don't think Pettigrew will pay back Harry. He had his chance and he failed.

I think, however, that what Dumbledore is going to tell Harry has to do with Trelawny's first prediction.

Man, it's been a while! Anyhow, I don't think we're going to learn EVERYTHING, maybe just something about Lily. Cuz if we learn everything, then what else is there to discover in books 6 and 7? Also, for a while I started to think more and more that this would be the end of book 5, but now it doesn't see quite likely. Like others have said, there as always been a definite resolution to all the other books. So yeah. I like the idea of Voldy's trying to recruit Lily but her turning him down. Maybe that what he meant by saying she "needn't have died." Like he meant she didn't have to die, she chose to cuz she wouldn't join him.

As for Dumbledore's look of triumph, I don't know if anyone's posted anything about this cuz I haven't been on in a long time, but you know how someone (Dumbledore, I think) said that Wormtail was indebted to Harry for saving his life? I'm thinking that Voldy is indebted to Harry, seeing as how Harry's blood saved his life. Maybe he should have used someone else's blood. Sure, now he can TOUCH Harry, but what if Voldy can't kill him now because of that debt? *shrug* It sounded good in my head; I don't know if it looks good on the screen... Yeah...

Something Crucial...

I don't think that Harry would go for an entire year to another school, or another country, but maybe for a alittle while. JK did say that we'd be seeing a new wizarding world in this book (so to speak).

However, I had a thought about that. It's nto really that big a deal.

In book two, we went to the Burrow.
In book three, we went to Hogsmeade.
In book four, we went to the quidditch world cup, and a random graveyard.

So we've actually been somewhere new in *every* book so far. JK just said that to get us excited - it's nothing new.

Um, back to Dumbledore. There's always the chance that DD will start to talk and get interrupted and not finish, then perhaps die or go into a coma, or get sent away or called for and Harry (and us!) is left hanging...

OK, so I'm just competing for best 'worst-case-scenario' marks here!

Can you imagine suddenly finding your whole world turned upside down - you were a wizard, you parents were tracked and killed by an evil wizard, you were going to a new school, knowing nothing and no-one and then on top of that an old man says Harry "the stars have predicted that when Voldemort rises again the two of you will meet and one will die"
I do think that now Harry has fully accepted his wizard skills and doesn't appear to panic at the idea of Voldemort and escaped three attempts by Voldemort .. he should know more of the prophecies and maybe even find out how Dumbledore defeated the last evil wizard Grindelwald

I hope it's not the end of the book (like most everyone does)!! It wouldn't make any sense to not give us 'any' sense of closure for that year!!?? At least I hope to wouldn't!

As far as what it will be, didn't Dumbledore say in Book 1 that he didn't know why Voldermort couldn't kill Harry when Prof M asked him? Makes me wonder how much he knows, or maybe he's found out more?

It does make you think though :)

If that was the end of the book i would scream loudly, throw it across the room and vow never to read Harry Potter again...10 minutes later i will pick up my poor mistreated book and start reading it again...

Anyway I think that Dumbeldore has learned a lot since McGonagall asked him originally. He has probably answered a lot of the the questions and confusions that he had as to what exactly occured on that fatefull night. He is now totally confident that he is right that he is ready to tell Harry everything...

maybe dumbledore says it after harry has an encounter with voldemort....or maybe after someone dies (which can probably be sirius, too )

it definitely can't be the end of the book (even though its written 5 years) because JKR hasnt ever finished a book incomplete (only has always left us under a spell to read want to read the next book really badly)...even though the 4th book seems a little incomplete, it really isn't, its a complete story where the whole matter at the moment has pretty much been resolved.

So I think that wherever this paragraph is, its not the last sentence, it might probably be in the paragraph in the end.

Dumbledore probably will tell Harry about his family, since JKR has confirmed that a "huge" revelation about Lily Potter will be made. But I doubt that he will tell absolutely everything, since there still has to be some suspense left for books 6 & 7.

One thing's definitely going to be different in the book...its the style of the book. As someone mentioned earlier, JKR has a specific style of writing books, start with Privet Drive, end at the end of the year at Hogwarts with Harry going back home from Platform 9 3/4. This time its going to last till after the Hogwarts school year, since Dumbledore said in that conversation that 'I should have told you this 5 years ago' and Harry's birthday is in July (i.e. after the school year ends)

...So maybe there's some action in this book as well, since Dumbledore's with Harry after the school year ends and maybe Harry is living with someone else during the holidays because of some tragdy at the Durseleys..(hey, anything's possible!)

And another thing I didn't see noticed, in that paragraph that was released, it said that ' Dumbledore lowered his hands and surveyed Harry through his half-moon glasses ' .....what was Dumbledore doing that he had to lower his hand and survey Harry, and what did Harry say to make him do that? Dumbledore probably was performing a spell with his wand-hand raised with the wand in it...but what happened?!! and where are they?!!

=> it could've happened that Harry had a brush with Dumbledore right before this scene or that Harry just learned about the death of someone ( the mysterious person ) and that someone is related really closely with Voldemort and Harry, and Dumbledore has just taken Harry out of there, and is going to cast a protective spell around them so that no one can hear, and no one can hurt them (it can happen! )

=> it can also be that in this conversation, Dumbledore tells Harry about the order of the phoenix, and maybe someone in the order has died...

It'll probably be why Voldemort tried to kill him. Harry'll probably find out what's up with his parents on his own.

If some one has said this already sorry but...
I think Dumbledore is going to tell Harry that this goes back much farther then James P. vs. Volt. I think that we will find out that it goes back to Gryffindor vs. Slytherin
The potters being blood of Gryffindor and Volt. of Slytherin
Or maybe even Gryffindor & Slytherin were bothers and that would make them same blood
That is why he wanted harry's blood in GoF

Umm... guys, even if Dumbledore does tell Harry 'everything', there are still lots of questions that could arise. I mean, once you learn about something, you see other things to think about and consider. Each piece of information that is raised supplies a new dimension of thought.

By the way, could not the 'everything' be related to whatever has sent Harry up to see Dumbledore/Dumbledore to see Harry.

Also, as we are supposedly finding out something BIG about Lily in Book 5, aren't we also going to find out something HUGE about Lily in Book 7 ... or is that just another rumor? It's hard enough trying to sort out fact from rumor most of the time, but more so when most sites publish very similar ones. Grrrr.

Personally, I think that the quote is from near the end of the book. I also think Dumbledore will be interrupted/prevented from telling Harry everything. It makes no sense to end a book on a cliffhanger like that. Chapters can end like that. The quote is probably even from the end of a chapter, but the end of the book... No. I really do not think so.

Just my two cents on the matter.

A quick side note to those who think Harry is Slytherin's heir....Dumbledore said he wouldn't lie in Bk1 and in Bk2 he tells Harry that Tom Riddle is the last heir of Slytherin.

Hmm, intriguing. So, to cover some points of above...

When DD says 'five years ago' he doesn't have to mean literally five years ago. I can say something happened 'siz years ago' when I really mean five years and six months. If you're talking school years then you tend to round up. I always do.

Telling Harry the whole story of the Grffindor/Slytherin thing. I'd love that. Harry realy needs some back story to get some real closure, and unless he gets told the whole history I think he'll still feel some resentment against Voldie and Malfoy and the other Slytherins/Death Eaters/whatevers.

As for DD having his hands in the air, we've come up with:

1. DD was stopping someone (Sirius, Harry, or A.N. Other) from talking and so held up his hands to do so.

2. DD was feeding thoughts into his pensieve at the time, and so lowered his hand(s) from his temple from where he'd been feeding thoughts.

3. DD was just extremely tired and worn out by whatever events had promtped him to tell Harry 'everything'.

Has it occured to anyone that this sentence from DD might follow another one, where Harry asks a question, and it's about something mundane, like Hogsmeade or something, that DD feels that Harry should know just because everyone else does? Then he's lowering his hands because he's exasperated that no-one ever told Harry, and he says that Harry should have been told five years ago, perhaps something that all other new students already know about.

Just to play devils advocate there... ;)

Um, and I agree that whatever he says we will always have more questions! But then, when don't we? :)

Do you think that Lily and Snape worked on one of Voldemorts potions together? That could be what Dumbledore will tell Harry, but when his mother realised she had been tricked into helping Voldemort she doubled her efforts to stop him. Voldemort would have thought she was useful and therefore didn't think she needed to die.

Does anyone else love how there are hints all throughout all of the books that you realize were important later? I love when I reread one of the books and I realize somehting i didnt know before.

In Book 1 when Dumbledore says he cant tell Harry why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry I couldnt wait to find out and I really hope thats what he tells him.

people keep mentioning that we dont know why Harry didnt die...I think DD said that it was because his Mom died to save him. Voldemort got his blood in GoF because it took away that protection, he could now touch Harry without getting burned like Quirrel did. What we dont know is why he lost his powers

As for DD having his hands in the air, we've come up with:

1. DD was stopping someone (Sirius, Harry, or A.N. Other) from talking and so held up his hands to do so.

2. DD was feeding thoughts into his pensieve at the time, and so lowered his hand(s) from his temple from where he'd been feeding thoughts.

3. DD was just extremely tired and worn out by whatever events had promtped him to tell Harry 'everything'.


There's also another possibility; that DD was holding something up to look at it/read it. What if Harry found something that related to his parents? It could be anything, maybe a book or a photograph:??: Anyway, he finds it and goes storming up to DD's office to ask him about it. DD looks at it/reads it, then lowers his hands etc.

That's what came to mind when I first read the quote.

What we really don't know, is why Voldemort wanted to kill poor Harry. We've just sort of accepted that he did. Which is very complacent of us!

Voldie lost his powers because his Adavra Kedavra curse backfired on him, and killed everything human about him. Only the super-human survived, hence the reason there was a Voldemort-type evil efreet (evil arabic spirit there, for the uninitiated) floating around for a bit. Before he started posseing people and coming back to power and the such-like.

I like the idea that Harry could have found something important to him. Very nice.

well, i think it's going to be why voldemort killed his 'rents and why voldie wants to kill him too. at long last jkr will finally say it. goodness knows what the reason is right?
i think it's something to do with his ancestors. the potters in particular. correct me if im wrong but i remember sirius saying this while harry listens to the truth about his innocence. he was telling pettigrew that he must have been proud to be the one to hand voldemort the LAST potter. seems to me harry's going to get his head chopped off just for being a potter.
just my opinion. if im wrong, i promise il bite myself.:bite:

I think that Lily Potter was an heir of Godric Gryffondor. She may not be muggleborn. If Petunia and Lily were put up for adoption because their parents died or somthing. Petunia could be a squib. We know nothing about their childhood or their family. Maby it unfolds in book 5. J K does say there is somthing coming from the Dursleys we wouldn't expect. Or maybe Petunia and Lily aren't really sisters. Maybe Lily was put up for adoption only. They would then be stepsisters. And it would make sense for Petunia's real parents to pay alot of attention to Lilly. To make her feel like she does belong. Anyway this would also make HArry an heir. I have a few reasons why.
~in bok 1 when harry first gets his wand it emmits red and gold sparks (gryffonder colors)
~In book 2 HArry defeats the heir of Slytherin. Slytherin and Gryffondor were always enimies. Makes sense for Voldermort to wwant to kill the Potters if they were the heirs of Gryffondor. MAybe the heirs of hufflepuff and ravenclaw have already died out.
~Before Harry's parents died they lived in Godric Hollows. Godric who? Godric Gryffondor maybe?
~Harry pulls out Gryffondors sword. Dumbledore says only a true Gryffondor could do that.
~in book 5 Dumbledore says its time to tell you everything. He could say Voldermort went after the Potters because they are the heirs. and that Harry is an heir.

Originally posted by harrypottergirl333
I think that Lily Potter was an heir of Godric Gryffondor

But Lily was the one he didn't want to kill. If she was the bloodline it would have been James that could be left.

Maybe the something he has to tell is that someone close to him died and why he has been safe with the Dursleys UNTIL NOW.:eyebrows:

Are you french by any chance harrypotter girl?

If one of Harry's parents is the heir then it's got to be James. However, it's poissible that Lily is also a more distant relative of Gryffindor and Voldie just didn't know this.

Do you think that maybe if Lily is the heir (I also think she might be) that the reason Voldie might have wanted her on his side was to be able to control the wizarding world? The other great ones...Hufflepuus, Ravenclaw and Gryffindor were united against his movement to exclude muggle borns. Maybe if he recruits him to his side he can then act out his plan...Just a thought.

Lily being the heir of Gryffindor doesn't make sense to me for the following reasons...
Bloodlines go through the male-side of the family (they take the name with them in marriage).
In my english bloomsbury edition of PoA, Voldie tells Lily to step aside (so that he could kill Harry like he killed James) If Lily was the important one, he wouldn't have said that and killed her first (the baby would be helpless after that). In the same edition Sirius also tells Harry and the rest that Peter would have wanted to hand the last of the potters to voldie (I know that this point has been made before, but all arguments pilled together can be more persuasice (I also made these poins before on Orderofthephoenix group of yahoo, before I came to find this place)).

not all the time! Tom RIDDLE is the heir of Slytherin. And Evans may not truly be Lil'y maiden name. Not if her parents died. Then they would not be able to have a son to pass it on. Lily would go up for adoption into a muggle house.

maybe he didnt wanna kill lilly because there is somthing we dont know about her. J K says there profession is very important in book 5. Maybe she was a death eater. Maybe somthing else. Who knows? Anyway maybe voldermort would want to kill only harry because he had someone see the future that he would compete against him when he's older. Maybe he wanted the Potters on his side if they were going to be powerful. Then he would not want to kill them at first until they refused to join him.

That's what I thought at first, but when I reread the books I can't help to think that voldie only went after the potters for harry (I know, I can't give good enough comments for it, but it's a gut feeling that I have). (situation sketch from my perspective:) Voldie wants entry to the house, finds James with wand raised, kills him, moves upstairs (to harry's room (how does he know this?!)) wants to kill harry first, finds this possibility blocked by lily standing in the way, first kills her and than proceeds to finish harry off... The whole line-up of events makes me suspicious f his motifs...

Originally posted by Steffie
Lily being the heir of Gryffindor doesn't make sense to me for the following reasons...
Bloodlines go through the male-side of the family (they take the name with them in marriage).


um... bloodlines go through both sides. The ancient Greeks had a really charming theory that all of the important stuff came from dad, and mom was just a vessel. They were wrong (obviously). Names and bloodlines are two different things. From a biological perspective, it would make more sense for names to be passed matrilinearly (given there is never any doubt of maternity), but sigh... there I go on a tangent.

At any rate... keep in mind that Voldie is the Heir of Slytherin. His father's family were muggles, and he had the Slytherin connection through his MUM. While I doubt that the Gryffindor connection goes through Lily for other reasons, the fact that bloodlines are TRACED (not passed) patrilinearly is irrelevant. Voldie inherited the Slytherin bloodline from his mother.

I agree that Lily could be pass the blood of Godric Gryffindor, I doubt she did. Voldemort would have killed her, instead of saying stand aside.

In my opinion Dumbledore is just about to tell Harry that "something huge" about his mom. This explanation could be useful for Harry to understand why a person is dead (Hagrid, Lupin, Sirius... not Sirius, pleeease!!). I doubt hes going to explain everything, but sure a big part of it, and that will give us new questions to think about...

Id love to discover that Lily is on the good side, but I think theres something dark in her. Maybe she was a descendant of Slytherin and now that shes dead, the last descendant alive is Voldemort...
Could they be related? (cousins...)

I don't think that there's really a dark part of Lily, because she was the good thing that saved Harry's life. And I know there's the whole 'Nothing became his life like the leaving of it' thing, but I don't think it's very JK. The Potters were all the 'good' side, Hagrid says that they stood up lots to Voldie.

The only way that Lily could be a Gryffindor descendent is if Voldie didn't know about it. If he had, he certianly would have killed her too. However, just because Voldie didn't know it doesn't mean it wasn't true. Perhaps Voldie knew that one of the Potter parents carried Gryffindor's genes, but automatically assumed that it was James because he only thought pure-bloods were worth anything, so it couldn't have come from Lily...

Originally posted by Essbee
Perhaps Voldie knew that one of the Potter parents carried Gryffindor's genes, but automatically assumed that it was James because he only thought pure-bloods were worth anything, so it couldn't have come from Lily...

But he isnt pureblood and he is supposed to be the heir of Slytherin, so he MUST know that it doesnt really matter if you are pureblood or not. In that case, why not killing Lily? Just in case..., you know

I think the words, "Dumbeldore lowered........I am going to tell you everything." WILL be the end of book 5, 'cause things are gonna get really dangerous, & harry's gonna stay at hogwarts over the summer, and DD is going to tell Harry stuff over break while everyone is gone.

Could Petunia be a squibb, but also a remaining descendant of Godric.

Coould the protection be there for the Dursleys too

I think it would make perfect sense for DD to actually give Harry information about the past and for that quote not to be a cliffhanger. To make that a cliffhanger would be far to soap opera and would go against everything we know so far.

It wouldn't make sense to wait until the last book to do it, as, we can only assume that that will be the book where Voldemort bites it.

I think (and hope) we will learn more about the reason the Potters were a target. If we know anything about Voldi its that he will only risk himself to gain greater power, so the potters must have either 1)been impeding greatly Voldi's ascent to power or 2)held some power that Voldi wanted (Please comment on that b/c I think I'm right but would love some feedback).....Once we find out this, JK will be free to go even deeper into some of the speculations people in all of these forums have been debating now for some time....

Or maybe I'm completely wrong....It wouldn't be the first time!!!

Yes, Voldie isn't pureblood, but he seems to hate muggles and muggleborns none-the-less (that's why he opened the Chamber of Secrets). He's very hypocritical. And he hates muggleborns. So I think that it is possible that he would have overlooked something because of his prejudices.

As for the quote, I've said it before and I'll say it again - I don't think it's at the end of the book. A book that long and she doesn't finish the story? I don't think so!

Now if the quote had been "Harry lowered his hands and looked at someone else. 'Sit down' he said, 'I'm going to tell you everything'." then I'd agree that it;s the end of the book. But JK wouldn't be that mean, I'm very sure!

<Quote>
OK, I just had this paranoid idea that

1) that quote is a hook to get us to buy the next book, obviously.

2) if DD tells us / harry EVERYTHING, we'll be that much less excited about book 6

3) therefore, DD is going to be interrupted in his telling and

either

4a) DD has to put off his story till book 6

or

4b) DD is killed (please, JKR, no!) and

either

5a) We never learn it all

or

5b) We won't learn what DD knew until the end of Book 7
<End Quote>

Nuffer you are evil. I had to say this I know I'm about 200 posts behind on this thread but you are evil. You should join Slytherin with me :)

what about the wands? remember olivander said that 'the wand chooses the wizard' and the wands of Harry and Voldie have the feather from the same pheonix-fawks. and a brother and sister wand wouldn't go against each other, and if they do, a strange outcome wil be recieved, like that priori incantatem. Maybe this is some kind of hint. Like, why, of all the people, do Harry's and Voldie's wands have to be from the same phoenix feather--brother and sister wands?

about voldemort's not wanting to kill lily potter, can it be that lilly was a relation to him, maybe distant relation, and the potter's are gryfindor's heirs...so harry is born with slytherin and gryfindor blood in him.
or maybe its vice versa, the slytherin blood runs in him from the potter side, and voldie wants to make sure that he is the last heir of slytherin, so he kills all the potters. or he thinks that they abandoned his mother and he wants revenge. or maybe that he is ashamed how they are acting.

or maybe its just that Voldemort and the potters were sworn enemies and he just wanted to finish them all off...

It might about really unexpected behind stories that we would not dream of. And it could be a sort of important key to fight against Voldemort.

Since Voldemort and Harry can not use their wands against each other it will come down to other means. Wands are not always neccesary to use magic. It might be Harry needs to be so strong and skilled that he can focus his magic without his wand. Ancient magic noone has hear of in many many year.

Harry will also need to learn more potions to help him. Another way he doesn't have to rely on his want totally and completely.

Originally posted by Expelliorma~
what about the wands? remember olivander said that 'the wand chooses the wizard' and the wands of Harry and Voldie have the feather from the same pheonix-fawks. and a brother and sister wand wouldn't go against each other, and if they do, a strange outcome wil be recieved, like that priori incantatem. Maybe this is some kind of hint. Like, why, of all the people, do Harry's and Voldie's wands have to be from the same phoenix feather--brother and sister wands?

about voldemort's not wanting to kill lily potter, can it be that lilly was a relation to him, maybe distant relation, and the potter's are gryfindor's heirs...so harry is born with slytherin and gryfindor blood in him.
or maybe its vice versa, the slytherin blood runs in him from the potter side, and voldie wants to make sure that he is the last heir of slytherin, so he kills all the potters. or he thinks that they abandoned his mother and he wants revenge. or maybe that he is ashamed how they are acting.

or maybe its just that Voldemort and the potters were sworn enemies and he just wanted to finish them all off...

If the wand is significant because Voldie is an heir of slytherin, then why wouldn't James Potter have gotten that wand?

No, I think that the wands are the same for the reason that Dumbledore has mentioned all along. Voldemort and Harry are linked by the curse scar. And I wonder this. If Harry has been acquiring skills from Voldemort, does this mean that Voldemort is acquiring characteristics from Harry?

He already has inherited Lily's protection of Harry. Maybe he will gain some of Harry's good qualities as well.

As to this being the end of the book, I think that that is a ridiculous assertion. Why would they give this as an example paragraph if they weren't going to answer it in this book. It is a paranoid thought, but not very logical. JKR has never ended a book like this, and it would be beyond strange to start now.

I don't think either that this paragraph is the end of the book, Dumbledore must explain AT LEAST some of the things he should have told Harry long ago. But maybe he can't tell him everything because he is the one injured to death (hope not).

J.K. said that Harry will be told things that he should have known since the beginning. No way is she gonna leave us in a hangman. She always finishes the book by Harry meeting up with Vernon at King's Cross.

what if he goes to kings cross and goes with sirius or the weasleys i don't think it will be the last line but the middle why did she have to give us such a cliffhanger why couldn't they just give us a whole page about three weeks that would be cool

Hyppo: I totally agree. The wand chose Harry because of his scar.

Maybe Voldie want get any of the protection from Harry. Maybe the protection is his eyes and not his blood.

yeah....why is it that Harry's and Lilly's eyes are so exclusive?

What I think is this should be obvious to everybody. Dumbledore will obviously tell Harry why Voldemort chose to kill him than any other people. Remember in PS/SS, Harry asked the question about why Voldemort wanted to kill him, Dumbledore had told him he'd tell him when the correct time comes. That's what's probably going to happen.
The correct time will be in Oopt.

but shouldnt the correct time be in the sixth book? so that in the seventh book, voldemort and harry have the final encounter and Voldie dies, (maybe harry does, too). if the reason is told in the fifth book, what will be left for the sixth book?'

so, from this, we come back to the theory that Dumbledore is cut off after saying that, and he actually reveals 'everything' in the next book.(i.e. the sixth book)

One thing to think about is whether DD knows "everything". There is a tendancy to think of DD as an omniscient god figure who knows all and hears all through magical means and that is why he seems so wise. However, I have always been amazed at how much of what DD knows and does is through non-magical means (reading muggle newspapers, corresponding with Sirius, etc).

It is probable that DD does not know everything. Therefore, he may not be able to answer all of the questions that we think he might be answering when he tells Harry "everything".

Originally posted by dracofan
Hyppo: I totally agree. The wand chose Harry because of his scar.

Maybe Voldie want get any of the protection from Harry. Maybe the protection is his eyes and not his blood.

If the protection was in his eyes, then Voldemort wouldn't be able to touch Harry, but now he is able. Anyway, the eyes must be somehow special

I am guessing that this scene will happen right after something happens very badly or someone Harry knew is dead so, Dumbledore has to tell him then, he know what to expect next or to prepare himself for the worst.

JKR wouldn't end the book with a cliffhanger. Only bad books end like that, the only motivation for buying the next one. I think she's more likely to end the book with finality just to keep the bezillion fans from going crazy waiting for book six.

I don't understand why some feel it is pertinent for JKR to with hold this information until the seventh book. Why is what happened in the past more important than the present and what will happen in the not-so-distant-potter-future? Harry needs to be aware of the past before he can take full initiative of the future. Every book doesn't need revelations to be good...sure, the Sirius Black/Peter Pettigrew revelation at the end of PoA was awesome...but the ressurection of Voldemort in GoF was even better! So, hopefully OotP will have both.

When Dumbledore tells everything, he can only pass on what he knows, bits that he gathered over the years about why the Potters were attacked.
I think Harry will begin to know more about Voldemort because of his visions and now the shared blood.
I think more and more now that Lily is the key rather than James main points "you have her eyes" and her excellent charm work and that it was her old magic that saved Harry, rather than the daring of his father.

Everything doesn't mean *everything*. I think it will just be everything about why Voldie was after him and his parents. That isn't *everything*. 5 books in and we will finally find out why the events that set the whole saga in motion happened in the first place. I am sure there will be plenty of revelations to come in future books. Like many have said, it would be ridiculous to have that be the last sentence of the book.