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biara March 8th, 2005, 6:35 pm i really didn't appreciate UK-children cover. :no:
it reminds fear, war, fight and violence - in version for children? i don't think it's appropriate.
in another way, the adult covers were never appealing to me. too dark and plain.
the one i liked best so far is the UK-children's Phoenix. it has bright colors, doesn't give away the plot and fits the title. simple but catchy.
and i'm not a fan of green, but last one was blue and red was already used, so green would be the choice. also i believe this color will still show it's importance sometime...
i didn't like to see Dumbledore on the cover, though.
Snout March 8th, 2005, 6:38 pm I've never liked the US covers, and i don't like the British philosophers stone.
Also Biara, i don't get what you mean. The books contain murder and evil and yet you think the cover unnapropriate? Surely the books are then.
Spew Member March 8th, 2005, 6:39 pm Wow! How exciting! :clap: I don't have time to skim through what everyone has said, but here's my take on everything:
1. It looks like Harry passed his potions OWL.
2. I gather from the covers that Dumbledore is going to be working much closer with Harry this year. Perhaps to prepare him in case something happens to Dumbledore. He'll probably be focusing on Occlumency, working with the pensieve. Ultimately I think Dumbledore won't make it past book 6, leaving Harry to fight Voldemort on his own in 7, which would mean they'll have to get a new Headmaster. McGonnagal? Dumbledore often says that to die would be the next great adventure, I think that was a bit of foreshadowing. Perhaps Dumbledore is teaching Harry how to use the pensieve, taking him under his wings to prepare him. Once Dumbledore is gone Voldemort will have no one to fear, and Harry will have to step things up a bit. I certainly hope I'm wrong but that's what I'm leaning towards right now.
Snout March 8th, 2005, 6:41 pm Yeah, I think Dumbeldore will die too :(.
Spew Member March 8th, 2005, 6:42 pm Yeah, I think Dumbeldore will die too :(.
:upset: :upset: :upset:
Snout March 8th, 2005, 6:44 pm He's the Obi Wan of the story - he has to die :(.
silver ink pot March 8th, 2005, 6:48 pm Libatius Borage! Now there's a good clue!
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=libation&searchmode=none
libation:
1382, "pouring out of wine in honor of a god," from L. libationem (nom. libatio) "a drink offering," from libare "pour out (an offering)," from PIE *(s)leib- "to pour, drop" (cf. Gk. leibein "to pour, make a libation"), an enlargement of base *lei- "to pour, to flow" (cf. Skt. riyati "to let run;" Gk. aleison "a wine vessel;" Lith. lieju "to pour," lytus "rain;" Hitt. lilai- "to let go;" Alb. lyse, lise "a stream;" Welsh lliant "a stream, a sea," llifo "to flow;" O.Ir. lie "a flood;" Bret. livad "inundation;" Gael. lighe "a flood, overflow;" Goth. leithu "fruit wine;" O.C.S. liti, lęju, Bulg. leja "I pour;" Czech liti, leji, O.Pol. lic' "to pour"). Transf. sense of "liquid poured out to be drunk" is from 1751.
borage:
flowering plant used in salads, c.1265, from Anglo-Norm., from O.Fr. borrace, from M.L. borrago. Klein says it's ult. from Arabic abu drak, lit. "the father of sweat," so called by Arab physicians for its effect on humans. But OED says it's from L. borra "rough hair, short wool," in ref. to the texture of the foliage.
biara March 8th, 2005, 6:50 pm Well now I'm certain Dumbledore dies. dont even joke about that! :sad:
Is the cover with advanced potions book conclusive that Harry got an O on his potion OWL? My guess would be that he is actually studying potion on his own, or through a private teacher. If he was in the potions class in Hogwarts its more likely that he would be using a new book, of course he get 'O's in all the OWLs he needs to be an auror! why would it be different?
the book is clear on how he failed Divination and HistoryOfMagic. but he did fine in the ones he needed.
and we don't know if that is Harry's book...
Dumbledore must die...
Sad, though it is, he must die i disagree. he's my favourite character! he cant die! :upset:
Also Biara, i don't get what you mean. The books contain murder and evil and yet you think the cover unnapropriate? Surely the books are then. do you have pictures inside the book? no.
i think a terrified face on the cover - the first thing you see - is not a good thing.
Spew Member March 8th, 2005, 6:53 pm In book 1, isn't it a green flash that Harry remembers when he tries to remember how his parents died?
Athina March 8th, 2005, 6:53 pm I don't really like the UK cover, harry looks.... different. The US cover is more what I'd imagine. Too bad I have to get the UK cover!
Machiavelli March 8th, 2005, 6:59 pm do you have pictures inside the book? no.
i think a terrified face on the cover - the first thing you see - is not a good thing.Yes... but if the book has violence (and both GoF and OotP did) and frightening situations then at least a cover like this lets parents know what to expect. Seems to me if this cover puts a child off it's probably not old enough to read the book and handle the contents.
Snout March 8th, 2005, 6:59 pm do you have pictures inside the book? no.
i think a terrified face on the cover - the first thing you see - is not a good thing.
Let me make myself more plain.
Cedric died in book 4. Sirius died in bool 5. I didn't mean book 6. It seems you're oblivious to the fact that the books do contain murder and evil anyway. If the book can contain murder, then why can't it have a front cover of a frightened face?
WoodenCoyote March 8th, 2005, 7:00 pm In book 1, isn't it a green flash that Harry remembers when he tries to remember how his parents died?Yes, its the color of the Avada Kedavera curse.
madeye55 March 8th, 2005, 7:01 pm Does anyone else think that the idea and clues about Snape as the Half-Blood Prince a little too easy? JKR is so careful with her clues, I cannot imagine she would put something out there that is so obvious that everyone figures it out prior to the release of the book.
Spew Member March 8th, 2005, 7:01 pm Yes, its the color of the Avada Kedavera curse.
Then perhaps Harry is looking at the memory of his parents being killed? The pensieve would make it more objective, wouldn't it? He could see from an outside POV what happened.
Snout March 8th, 2005, 7:03 pm Note thatb the colours of the UK one are blue and green. These are the colours to CoS and JK did say the two are connected somehow. I wonder what the connection is...
potionsnerd March 8th, 2005, 7:07 pm i think dumbledore will end up dying, but i think it will happen in the seventh book, not this one. he might come pretty close though.
Spew Member March 8th, 2005, 7:07 pm The expression on Harry's face looks like he's bracing himself to see what is in the pensieve. Like he is determined. Dumbledore looks a bit foreboding.
potionsnerd March 8th, 2005, 7:09 pm Note thatb the colours of the UK one are blue and green. These are the colours to CoS and JK did say the two are connected somehow. I wonder what the connection is...
jkr never said they were connected. she said one of the plot lines in hbp was a part of cos, but that every trace of it was removed before publication. so the two books aren't connected any more than any of the others.
arcanus March 8th, 2005, 7:10 pm The expression on Harry's face looks like he's bracing himself to see what is in the pensieve. Like he is determined. Dumbledore looks a bit foreboding.
I think it's very likely that DD reveals more information to Harry something he needs to know if he ever wants to kill Voldemort. His sense of foreboding (if that's what it is :eyebrows: ) is understandable after all he (probably) knows what memories lurk in that specific pensieve.
AllanTheGreat March 8th, 2005, 7:10 pm Regarding the UK Adult Cover, I'd like to think that Harry didn't pass his Potions OWL, and that (for some strange reason) he still wants to learn Advance Potion Making. So he finds a book on it in the library and takes lessons on his own, kind of like the same initiative(sp?) that led to the DA.
Or maybe the pensieve in the US Cover isn't a pensieve after all and it's a potion, which connects to the book on the UK Adult Cover.
Snout March 8th, 2005, 7:10 pm I hink Harry is bracing himself to. Dumbledore looks standoffish as though something isn't familiar with him, or as though he is disbelieving.
Spew Member March 8th, 2005, 7:11 pm I guess there is no way of knowing until the book comes out. :shrug:
Silver ink pot where did you get your clue from? Libatius Borage...I've been skimming the pages and can't find it.
silver ink pot March 8th, 2005, 7:12 pm -Green is a Slytherin color. Could this be relevant?
-I wonder if the penseive is different somehow. Perhaps it belonged to Godric Gryffindor, Tom Riddle, Lily Potter, etc. somebody in the past.
-Harry got into advanced potions?!
-Methinks Snape is the Half-Blood Prince.
You know what Salem? I don't want to go out on a limb, but you just may be right about . . . all that. :evil:
Green - for St. Patrick's Day!http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/feiertage/feiertag-smiley-013.gif
You know, green is actually a very magical color, and nearly all the people in the books wear green from time to time, from McGonagall to Trelawney to Harry, himself. Snape never wears green, though Phineas Nigellus - the ultimate Slytherin - definitely does.
Spew Member March 8th, 2005, 7:14 pm Or maybe the pensieve in the US Cover isn't a pensieve after all and it's a potion, which connects to the book on the UK Adult Cover.
That's a possibility! Maybe the potion in the US version that Harry and Dumbledore are preparing is the same potion they were looking for in the advanced potions spellbook, but do you think Dumbledore would need to help Harry with a potion in the Advanced Spellbook? I guess if Dumbledore is helping I would expect the potion to be in the restricted section.
DarkLady March 8th, 2005, 7:17 pm has anyone noticed that in the uk child version in the bottom right hand corner theres something that apears to have horns or ears or something. harry and DD both appear to be looking at it. any thoughs?
I didn't, but looking at it I see what you mean. I took it to be the black background, but up in the top left hand corner we see a bit of black but its just plain black (no tone) and the orange bit is kind of circular...and flows into the black. but in the bottom right hand corner it does look like some sort of animal. I don't know if they're looking at it though.
silver ink pot March 8th, 2005, 7:18 pm I guess there is no way of knowing until the book comes out. :shrug:
Silver ink pot where did you get your clue from? Libatius Borage...I've been skimming the pages and can't find it.
Well, it was probably quite a few pages back, since this thread has added about 5 pages in an hour. I'm not sure who said it, but they said they got the name from the Leaky Cauldron - sorry to not give credit - I should have Quoted the person. (I got excited :angel: )
RINGO March 8th, 2005, 7:22 pm You know we are all going to find out more about who the HBP is going to be,and I have a funny feeling that it is Snape,remember that we are going to find out something major about him,and that was coming from an official....OOOHHH EEERRRR..
Spew Member March 8th, 2005, 7:28 pm Well, it was probably quite a few pages back, since this thread has added about 5 pages in an hour. I'm not sure who said it, but they said they got the name from the Leaky Cauldron - sorry to not give credit - I should have Quoted the person. (I got excited :angel: )
I just found it, thanks!
Okay! Must...study...for...exam...now...Honestly though, how can they expect us to study when the HP cover has been released. :lol:
Kidney Pie March 8th, 2005, 7:31 pm What if they thought it was a pensive but it was a port key? If you made a port key and it was hidden for many years. What would happen if someone touched it years later? Could it take them back in time?
TigerSnake March 8th, 2005, 7:31 pm Sorry if anyone has said this already but here goes...
The book on the cover of the UK adult version is Advance Potion Making, and the two other covers are of Harry and Dumbledore. Maybe because Snape doesn't accept students with low scores in the O.W.L. into his class, Dumbledore will have to teach Harry potions himself so Harry doesn't fall behind when it comes to potions and such. (The pensive-looking item in the US cover could be somethig where you make potions, who knows?) Another idea is that potions will play a major role in this book, and also Dumbledore will, personally, be teaching and helping Harry with new spells and what not.
AllanTheGreat March 8th, 2005, 7:35 pm The black thing at the bottom-right corner of the UK Children's Cover is a part of Dumbledore's robe! The ring of fire takes some of it out of view and then it's visible again under the ring. I've also noticed two things:
1. In Harry's face on the UK Children's Cover, I can see a bit of resemblance to Tom Felton, call me crazy if you will :)
2. It seems like Dumbledore's beard is on fire. Doesn't it?
DarkLady March 8th, 2005, 7:36 pm Every one thinks Dumbledores going to die, but I think book seven is far more likely than HBP, mainly because I can't imagine a Harry Potter book with absolutly no Dumbledore in, but also because Harry needs guidence and Dumbledore's the one that usually gives it to him. I think there is still alot Harry needs to know, even after HBP, and Dumbledore's the only one that tells him things like that...but I think Dumbledore will die, but probably more about two thirds through book 7....but I guess only JKR really knows
C8H10N4O2 March 8th, 2005, 7:36 pm If the object on the US cover is a pensieve:
1. The green light could be coming from the night Harry's parents died
OR
2. It is coming from the night Cedric Diggory died.
In either case, it would explain why Harry has the wand out -- he has just removed the memory from his head!!! He hasn't returned it to his robes because he is too curious about what he is about to see if it is his parents, or too distraught over what he will see if it is Cedric.
I don't think it is his parents, unless JKR rewrote Chapter 1, the chapter we assume is the telling of the night Harry's parents were murdered, the chapter that was to be in 3 other books. She would have to rewrite it to bring Harry to Dumbledore very, very quickly to get this into chapter 1, although she has said this would be his shortest stay at #4 Privet Drive.
I think Cedric's death makes more sense because Dumbledore would be able to see exactly what Wormtail did to restore Voldemort, and Voldemort's monologue to Harry. I think he might be looking for clues that Harry probably didn't identify because of the trauma of the night relating to his current corporeal incarnation and his new found lack of vulnerablility to Harry.
I would personally say the green mist is for effect, but I am open to some other logical explanation that cohesively pieces the sparse clues together.
Kidney Pie March 8th, 2005, 7:37 pm Hmmm. I just thought of something. Maybe Dumbledore is Making a Pensive for Harry. The only way that Harry can see what he really remembers is to make a pensive. For that he'd need a bowl. Maybe they can only find an old cracked bowl to use. Anyway, maybe Harry needs his wand out to do something and Dumbledore needs to do something like wandless magic. So maybe they are finished making Harry a Pensive and now they are looking into it to see what Harry's Memory is.
Snout March 8th, 2005, 7:38 pm I think that animal shape in the bottom right hand corner is just Dumbledores robes behind the fire. I don't think it's an animal.
Hmmm. I just thought of something. Maybe Dumbledore is Making a Pensive for Harry. The only way that Harry can see what he really remembers is to make a pensive. For that he'd need a bowl. Maybe they can only find an old cracked bowl to use. Anyway, maybe Harry needs his wand out to do something and Dumbledore needs to do something like wandless magic. So maybe they are finished making Harry a Pensive and now they are looking into it to see what Harry's Memory is.
Or maybe they use Dumbledores.
Briar Filth March 8th, 2005, 7:38 pm Does anyone else think that the idea and clues about Snape as the Half-Blood Prince a little too easy? JKR is so careful with her clues, I cannot imagine she would put something out there that is so obvious that everyone figures it out prior to the release of the book.
She knows how clever and obsessed some fans are now. She probably thought 'Oh, I'll make the identity of the HBP really obvious, then they'll all figure it out, and then they say 'Nah, she wouldn't make it that obvious! Snape can't be the HBP!' '
That what I reckon anyways lol!
Probably not right though, poo.....
Snout March 8th, 2005, 7:41 pm Why does everyone think it's Snape? Me know no.
snuggle the muggle March 8th, 2005, 7:41 pm Is it ust me, or are the covers to the books getting plainer adn more simplified? (Sorry but I have the US version)
Take PS/SS:
Harry riding on a broom catching a snitch. Fluffy in the cave. Unicorn in the backround. Dumbledore running into the forest. Owl swooping down. Key falling to the ground. Intricate and colorful Detrails of the castle. Someone sneaking out from behind a curtain holding a candle. Star-filled curtain. Title engraved into stone arch-way.
Then there's Ootp:
Big close-up of Harry. Lots of candles. Lots of doors. Whole cover is tinted blue. Wafting letter's that spell the title. Tonks, Lupin, Moody, and sirius in back. Shadow at a door.
And now we look at the HBP covers...
PS/SS and GOF are the most intricate covers, the rest are kind of plain...
But maybe I'm just being picky...
You have a point, but I think you are wrong about saying that even OotP had more stuff on the cover than HPB. They are done the same way, with one big picture on the front. All the stuff you mentioned about Tonks/Lupin/et al, and the house and the shadow and everything, that was all on the back cover, and we have not seen that yet, so it may also have the same sort of "collage" effect.
There was definitely a change between book 4 and book 5. I don't know why, except that the books are getting darker in tone and maybe she felt like they had to be more somber. In any case, I did like all the little pictures on 1-4 because there were so many hints. Of course, I never understood the hints until after I had read the book, so they never did me any good, but they were always fun to look at after I had read it.
So, anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that we all have to just wait "patiently" ha! until we see the back cover before we really can tell whether the cover art is getting more simplified each time.
DarkLady March 8th, 2005, 7:42 pm Sorry if anyone has said this already but here goes...
The book on the cover of the UK adult version is Advance Potion Making, and the two other covers are of Harry and Dumbledore. Maybe because Snape doesn't accept students with low scores in the O.W.L. into his class, Dumbledore will have to teach Harry potions himself so Harry doesn't fall behind when it comes to potions and such. (The pensive-looking item in the US cover could be somethig where you make potions, who knows?) Another idea is that potions will play a major role in this book, and also Dumbledore will, personally, be teaching and helping Harry with new spells and what not.
If Dumbledore wants Harry to learn potions he'd probably get Snape to teach him whatever his OWL results. Although I do think Dumbledore will help Harry learn more advanced spells, but they would probably be above NEWT standard. And if Dumbledore doesn't teach Harry theres still McGonnagal, remember what she said about helping Harry to become an Aura (I havn't got the exact quote) or always the DA if that caries on.
WoodenCoyote March 8th, 2005, 7:50 pm Why does everyone think it's Snape? Me know no.I think its the appearence of the Advanced Potions book on the cover of the UK version that has fueled the speculation. I'm not sure, but I thought Snape was a pure-blood, because they wouldn't have let him into the DEs if he had mixed background and I think JK said it at one point. I'm not sure though.
Briar Filth March 8th, 2005, 7:59 pm Why does everyone think it's Snape? Me know no.
There is something else to 'fuel the speculation', there is a recent update on the Mugglenet homepage about the editor talking on some show, he said that.................
"There is to be a new Minister for Magic. We learn much more about Voldemort. No information revealed on whether Snape will be the Half-Blood Prince. HBP will be an intense book, but with light-hearted moments."
Snape + HBP in the same sentence is bound to send the Snape fans a tad bit loopy with excitement! Weeeee!!!!!!!!
tao March 8th, 2005, 8:04 pm Thatīs a bit of a disappointement. (alraedy before the book comes out- better now than in july) I donīt like the cover at all. The US cover is beautiful and the adults version is nice and dark but whatīs with the UK children version. Is that Harry? The OotP was so beautiful. Maybe I could order the adults version from Amazon instead. I didnīt see that possibility but I could try.
From the clues I can only see that Harry and DD will have a look in a pensieve, and I really like the idea that they are going back to the night Cedric died, that some myterious ancient potion will play a role and that DD will have an important and heroic part.
I still donīt buy that Snape is the HBP but I see everybodys point.
Towelie March 8th, 2005, 8:05 pm Loving the new covers here! Being in Canada, I'll be getting the "childrens" UK cover to match the rest of my books. And I think it looks great. I loved the OotP cover, because it finally did not have Harry on it, since I had a problem with the way Harry looked on all the UK covers. Through books 1-4 he looked the same age on every single one! 11 yeard old! Now he finally, finally looks like a 16-year-old young man. The US cover is nice too, but not colourful enough for my liking (though I like seeing the purple letters since that's my fave colour) Once all 7 books are released, I'm going to make a trip down south and buy a boxed set with the American covers! Gotta collect them all - haha.
As for the adult UK cover, I think all it means is that Harry will deffinatly be taking advanced potions and that's the text book he will be using. Remember, Snape cannot* be the Half-Blood Prince as half-bloods are not accepted into Slythein. Tom Riddle was only because he was Slytherins heir.
^^If that's been said before in this thread woops! I didn't read through all 9 pages.
* OK, I don't know this for sure, but I think it's safe to assume Snape is, in fact, a pure blooded wizard. But bigger plot twists have happened before...
SnapesProdigy March 8th, 2005, 8:05 pm Ah, but it was the look on Levine's face when Roker first asked about Snape that told all. He needs to learn a better poker face. (Or maybe not.) I agree; it's Snape, but I've speculated that for a while now.
Hehe, I am glad someone else has speculated for a while that it is Snape. I thought it was Snape from the moment the title was revealed...however, what has confused me is a description of the HBP given in the known facts section for Book 6... Any ideas on that?
I think the Advanced Potions text on the adult cover here in the Uk is very interesting...however, it doesn't necessarily point to Harry's being in NEWT level potions...look at the age of the book depicted. I think personally that this has some connection to Lily Potter. But then, I always thought 'That awful boy' mentioned by Petunia referred to Snape rather than James...Definitely think there will be a Lily and Snape connection there somewhere.
Dashriprock March 8th, 2005, 8:09 pm Finally!!! I actually read all 9 pages of this thread!!
Regarding the funny black in the right-hand corner of the Children's UK version, I didn't know what it was either...I think you guys are probably right, though, that it is Dumbledore's robes. Still looks weird to me, though.
Regarding the UK Adult Cover, I'd like to think that Harry didn't pass his Potions OWL, and that (for some strange reason) he still wants to learn Advance Potion Making. So he finds a book on it in the library and takes lessons on his own, kind of like the same initiative(sp?) that led to the DA.
This is an interesting idea. Practically everybody else sees the "Advanced Potion Making" book on the UK Adult Cover, as a sign that Harry DOES get into NEWT potions. Interesting.....I could see that you might be right, AllantheGreat, because like eaimua said, why would Harry use an old book if he was in the regular potions class?
Is the cover with advanced potions book conclusive that Harry got an O on his potion OWL? My guess would be that he is actually studying potion on his own, or through a private teacher. If he was in the potions class in Hogwarts its more likely that he would be using a new book,
I was actually kinda disappointed to see the US Scholastic cover (the one I will get, as I live in the US). I just expected more clues, more...substance. But hopefully, like some of you said, those will be on the back cover, like in the previous books.
I was wondering: in the UK books, does Mary GrandPre do the inside illustrations, like in the US books? If not, are there illustrations inside the UK books?
I would actually think that the illustration on the UK Children's Cover, would be more likely to be for the 7th and final HP book. Everyone expects a big showdown between Voldemort and Harry in book 7 (and some in book 6, to some extent), but if there's a huge showdown, presumable including Voldemort, in book 6, with both Dumbledore AND Harry, that would take some of the dramatic impact away from book 7 if it had a similar climax. Then again, perhaps the scene shown, with Dumbledore and Harry surrounded by fire, isn't in a showdown against Voldemort--perhaps it is a showdown with someone else...maybe a dragon, like some have suggested, though I would think probably not that.
I was never this into the excitement of the release of OotP, having just gotten into Harry Potter that year, so I hope that my excitement over HBP won't be too much over-anticipation--you know, like I get such high expectations that no matter how good the book is, it couldn't fulfill my expectations. :shrug: I hope that doesn't happen.
Spew Member March 8th, 2005, 8:19 pm I was looking at the UK childrens cover, is that a robe in the corner? It looks like Harry and Dumbledore are surrounded, because they are looking in different directions.
DarkLady March 8th, 2005, 8:19 pm There are no illustrations inside the UK books, although I'd quite like to see a few here and there, mabey by JKR (because shes drawn pictures to show scenes in the books before).
Personally, I'm not worried HBP is going to disapoint me, mainly because I've anticipated every book since PoA and I've never yet been disapointed.
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 8:20 pm I love them! Even the British bersion is awesome! Dumbledore and Harry.. .hmmm
hey guys I can't see the video on MSNBC. Does anyone know how to fix it or some other web site that has it?
WhoAmI March 8th, 2005, 8:20 pm The expression on Harry's face looks like he's bracing himself to see what is in the pensieve. Like he is determined. Dumbledore looks a bit foreboding.
That's almost the exact same feeling I got too. Harry definitely looks determined & ready for action with the wand ready. Dumbledore looks somehow, I don't know, unpleasantly surprised at what he's seeing. I think the basin is a pensieve, but I don't think it belongs to Dumbledore. And the green misty stuff is a bit disturbing. Arrgh! Months before we find out what it means! :upset:
Jillstar03 March 8th, 2005, 8:23 pm I don't like the fact that on the Children's cover (UK) the top half of the book is the same colour as CoS. I was hoping that it was going to be a dark red cover with white writing like on some of the official Harry Potter posters that have been going around. That would be a nice colour. Do you think that means that book 7 will be red and gold like PS?
Sssith March 8th, 2005, 8:29 pm Mary Grand-Pre gets to read the book before she does the drawings. A couple posters were curious and the Today Show interview has confirmed that. (Today show clips available at www.msnbc.com)
The color green. Much has been made of Harry's eyes, their color, their similarity to his mothers eye. So I am not surprised by the green color.
What does surprise me about the cover is how clean it looks. Normally the US covers have all sorts of odds and ends that have meaning. This one focuses on Harry and DD....
I have never like the UK covers but both of them are intriguing.
ornjbreezy March 8th, 2005, 8:33 pm Wow, the covers look amazing! I'm so glad Dumbledore is on the front, he's one of my favorite characters. Time to copy paste print admire and speculate!
Sssith March 8th, 2005, 8:35 pm Just spent some more time checking out the children's UK cover. It looks to me like the circle of flame is coming from DD's wand....
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 8:40 pm Avada Kedavra makes green light
Lotario March 8th, 2005, 8:42 pm I've just read through all the 9 pages of this thread. There are so many good ideas posted and I've nothing new to add. The new covers are lovely, but they don't reveal much about HBP.
But I'm hopeful now, that we will see a lot more of Dumbledore in HBP and that he will -at last -reveal more about Voldemort, what happened at Godric's Hollow and Harry's power. Perhaps he will give Harry Occlumency lessons and teach him advanced DADA.
Many people seem to be sure, that Dumbledore must die. I can't see him dying in book 6. He is one of the most important characters - with him a lot of important knowledge would die.
I'm optimistic about Potions - I hope Harry will take advanced Potions in Snape's class. Snape will be furious! And i really love the idea, that Snape is the HBP.
bluesky March 8th, 2005, 8:45 pm The covers are amazing! I'm soooooo excited. Looks like Dumbledore will be having a more central role (or at least we'll see him more than before) which is GREAT cuz he's my favorite character.
Did I mention how excited I am?
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 8:45 pm Snape can't be half blood. He was a Slytherin and Slytherins only accepts pure bloods... unless you're the heir of slytherin and a really really powerful... V
RavenclwPhoenix March 8th, 2005, 8:49 pm When do we get to see the backs??? I know, I should be happy. But, as others have said, the American covers usually have a lot of clues on them. It is very plain (but cool!) this time. So I want to see the backs!
SiertKarzeni March 8th, 2005, 8:52 pm Snape can't be half blood. He was a Slytherin and Slytherins only accepts pure bloods... unless you're the heir of slytherin and a really really powerful... V
that's not totally true Voldemort was in Slytherin and he's half-blood and their was this list that had some of the students genealogy on it that showed what their parents were and I'm fairly certain that I saw one or two other PRESENT Slytherins that are of the half-blood variety but no muggleborns. If only I can find it. If anyone knows what I'm talking about and has the means to get a link of it or a picture that would be helpful. ^-^
Radalf_Griffin March 8th, 2005, 8:55 pm I read the first few posts and skimmed through te rest of the thread. I love the new covers, but I noticed that noone has posted clear pictures of them. So as these pictures sre huge, I will supply links to them for those who have not seen them. http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=harrypotter6_HR.jpg
http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpchild.jpg
http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpadult.jpg
Anyway, I've been playing with the bloomsbury covers Mundungus put up. I think the book on the adult version is titled "Ancient Pensieve Making"
I believe that the book actually says
Advanced
Potion
Making
by
Libatius Borage
bluesky March 8th, 2005, 8:55 pm Snape can't be half blood. He was a Slytherin and Slytherins only accepts pure bloods... unless you're the heir of slytherin and a really really powerful... V
Like Harry chose to be in Gryffindor, Snape could have chosen to be in Slytherin. Remember Dumbledore said something about it is our choices that distinguish who we are? (It was in CoS- I don't have the book in front of me, but I very distinctly remember it.)
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 8:59 pm Like Harry chose to be in Gryffindor, Snape could have chosen to be in Slytherin. Remember Dumbledore said something about it is our choices that distinguish who we are? (It was in CoS- I don't have the book in front of me, but I very distinctly remember it.)
Well, from adult version cover I can see that Snape has a big role in HBP, but it he just seems too familiar to be HBP. Like the plot would be too simple... I don't know how to explain it..
but remember he yelled at Lily that she was a mudblood. Well, if he was half blood, he wouldn't do that. So I think he has to be a pure blood
Briar Filth March 8th, 2005, 9:03 pm That's almost the exact same feeling I got too. Harry definitely looks determined & ready for action with the wand ready. Dumbledore looks somehow, I don't know, unpleasantly surprised at what he's seeing. I think the basin is a pensieve, but I don't think it belongs to Dumbledore. And the green misty stuff is a bit disturbing. Arrgh! Months before we find out what it means! :upset:
Maybe it's Snape's Pensieve? Or Dumblesore's Pensieve that Snape has been using? (sorry, there I go again, jabbering on about Snape........)
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 9:04 pm I also thought of a Pensieve when I saw the cover
Briar Filth March 8th, 2005, 9:05 pm but remember he yelled at Lily that she was a mudblood. Well, if he was half blood, he wouldn't do that. So I think he has to be a pure blood
Well, the same ought to apply to Voldemould shouldn't it? But he is half-blood and runs around like he's royalty!
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 9:06 pm Well, the same ought to apply to Voldemould shouldn't it? But he is half-blood and runs around like he's royalty!
Oh ok.. forgot :p
well then I just don't want Snape to be the prince :huh:
delemtri March 8th, 2005, 9:10 pm Whee! So awesome. Advanced Potion-Making seems to suggest Snape, but then he's with Dumbledore in the other two. Green in one and red in the other. Green has something to do maybe with Harry's eyes? Whee!
crimsonking March 8th, 2005, 9:12 pm Originally Posted by Snout
Note thatb the colours of the UK one are blue and green. These are the colours to CoS and JK did say the two are connected somehow. I wonder what the connection is...
jkr never said they were connected. she said one of the plot lines in hbp was a part of cos, but that every trace of it was removed before publication. so the two books aren't connected any more than any of the others.
It looks like the pensieve, but somewhere in a cave...
could it be in the Chamber of Secrets???
could this be what Harry "found" in the CoS, but then was taken out by JKR and put into its own book?
could it be the pensieve of Voldemort, or Slytherin, or Gryffindor?
could it be that DD, and Harry are looking into the pensieve, and that the green is to resemble the Avada Kedavra curse. could it be that they are looking in upon the murder of Harry's parents?...
i think so!
also, maybe he found it in the CoS, but that it belonged to Voldemort...?
it looks like it is attached to the ground...which is making me think that it is in the CoS.
Briar Filth March 8th, 2005, 9:13 pm well then I just don't want Snape to be the prince :huh:
I do, mwahahaha!! :evil: :p
CarysPatronum March 8th, 2005, 9:14 pm Many people seem to be sure, that Dumbledore must die. I can't see him dying in book 6. He is one of the most important characters - with him a lot of important knowledge would die.
Ditto. I think Dumbledore is very important in all books. If he dies, who will stop Voldemort? Harry isn't enough powerful yet.
All of you have such a great ideas and theories, but I don't know what to think, JKR is so impenetrable. :huh:
delemtri March 8th, 2005, 9:16 pm I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned, but does anybody else think the column in the US version looks a bit like the arch in OOTP was described?
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 9:18 pm It looks like the pensieve, but somewhere in a cave...
could it be in the Chamber of Secrets???
could this be what Harry "found" in the CoS, but then was taken out by JKR and put into its own book?
could it be the pensieve of Voldemort, or Slytherin, or Gryffindor?
could it be that DD, and Harry are looking into the pensieve, and that the green is to resemble the Avada Kedavra curse. could it be that they are looking in upon the murder of Harry's parents?...
i think so!
also, maybe he found it in the CoS, but that it belonged to Voldemort...?
it looks like it is attached to the ground...which is making me think that it is in the CoS.
awesome ideas! I also think that it's Avada Kedavra, but now that you mentioned the cave, I think it is the Chamber of Secrets! That's why the title of the British book is the same! Yes it is the chamber of secrets! Didn't JKR said that CoS is more appropriate name for book 6???
Briar Filth, Crucio to you :)
Briar Filth March 8th, 2005, 9:21 pm awesome ideas! I also think that it's Avada Kedavra, but now that you mentioned the cave, I think it is the Chamber of Secrets! That's why the title of the British book is the same! Yes it is the chamber of secrets! Didn't JKR said that CoS is more appropriate name for book 6???
Briar Filth, Crucio to you :)
Haha! You'll never Crucio me, I have my magic golden statue of the fountain to protect me. :evil:
And my thoughts on the Pensieve in the CoS - I reckon it's a bloody good theory! Yes, JKR said that CoS and HBP were originally woven together as a single book, but she decided that the HBP plotline, so early in the series, would give far too much away.
Kneazle March 8th, 2005, 9:21 pm The first thing that came to my mind when I saw the cover was the old rumor that Book Six would be Harry Potter and the Green Flame Torch. It's kind of ironic that the cover actually turned out to resemble that title, when the rumor was so widespread and it took so long to die. :lol:
It's interesting that Mary GrandPre has a new coloring technique... the first three books don't have a particular color scheme, but OotP and HBP now both have dominating colors in the covers. Green is an important color to the books, but it's hard to say whether the color is of any significance.
My favorite of the three covers unveiled today is the UK Adult Edition! It's hard to make any guesses about the other two, but the "Advanced Potion Making" is too intriguing! It suggests Snape whether it's meant to or not-- and that can only be a good thing!
LadyofthePensieve March 8th, 2005, 9:21 pm The writer of "Advanced Potion Making" was Libavius Borage.
There was once a Andreas Libavius.
Andreas Libavius
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Andreas Libavius (1550 - July 25, 1616) was a German doctor and chemist. Libavius was born in Halle, Germany, as Andreas Libau. He worked as a teacher in Ilmenau and Coburg, and became a professor in Jena in 1588. In 1597, he wrote the first systematic chemistry textbook, Alchemia, which included instructions for the preparation of several strong acids. Some of his writings were published under the name Basilius de Varna. Libavius died in Coburg.
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crimsonking March 8th, 2005, 9:23 pm Originally Posted by crimsonking
It looks like the pensieve, but somewhere in a cave...
could it be in the Chamber of Secrets???
could this be what Harry "found" in the CoS, but then was taken out by JKR and put into its own book?
could it be the pensieve of Voldemort, or Slytherin, or Gryffindor?
could it be that DD, and Harry are looking into the pensieve, and that the green is to resemble the Avada Kedavra curse. could it be that they are looking in upon the murder of Harry's parents?...
i think so!
also, maybe he found it in the CoS, but that it belonged to Voldemort...?
it looks like it is attached to the ground...which is making me think that it is in the CoS.
awesome ideas! I also think that it's Avada Kedavra, but now that you mentioned the cave, I think it is the Chamber of Secrets! That's why the title of the British book is the same! Yes it is the chamber of secrets! Didn't JKR said that CoS is more appropriate name for book 6???
Briar Filth, Crucio to you
hehe.
no, JKR said that the title of CoS was originally HBP. but that it would be more appropriate as its own book, book 6 in fact.
and the title of the british book is always the same...they can't change a title, and they shouldn't have for PS/SS.
lol
good thinking though!
i really do think that the pensieve is in the CoS, as in the place, not the book.
I think that harry was to find this in CoS(book), but JKR took it out. she has said that she took the "finding" out of CoS because it should be its own book.
SiriuslyBria March 8th, 2005, 9:23 pm I'm not sure I like the American cover. It's another cover that is primarily one color, and it doesn't look like it has clues hidden in it. I like the look of the adult British cover, but the book it shows makes me nervous. :huh:
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 9:25 pm It's interesting that Mary GrandPre has a new coloring technique... the first three books don't have a particular color scheme, but OotP and HBP now both have dominating colors in the covers. Green is an important color to the books, but it's hard to say whether the color is of any significance.
I think the colors resemble Harry. Because he's now all grown up. The covers are grown up too :) 3-4 years ago I liked complex stuff, like the complex colors in the earlier books, but now I like simple stuff, like the covers of book 5 or 6 :)
Harry teach himself advanced potion making? Hmm that seems more real to me. I dunno why. But then, he probably will be very busy with all that Defence against the Dark Arts and other classes. He'll have to learn DADA until he can do it in his sleep :)
crimsonking March 8th, 2005, 9:27 pm i also think that Harry is going to teach himself Advanced Potion Making, no idea why,...but i do support this theory!
we are also to find out why Harry's, and Lily's eyes being green is of such importance!!!
what if the color of the book being green could resemble 2 things?
the avada kedavra curse that they are peering in on through the pensieve, and the color of their eyes?
idk
lol
Briar Filth March 8th, 2005, 9:31 pm what if the color of the book being green could resemble 2 things?
the avada kedavra curse that they are peering in on through the pensieve, and the color of their eyes?
idk
lol
lol, maybe Harry has killer vision
crimsonking March 8th, 2005, 9:34 pm lol, or not.
you can really go either way here...lol
its a 50/50 chance that he does!! lol
papos_rane March 8th, 2005, 9:36 pm i hate the UK one,it look like they are in an orb or something.the adult one is cool though
cyqu_rayte March 8th, 2005, 9:37 pm I think as many of you it is a pensieve where harry and dumbledore are looking in. Probably it is a very special one, maybe the one of Salazar Slytherin and they see that lion like man we got a quote of, because he might be Godric Griffindor!
The green light doesnn't nessecarily mean anything but may it symbolises Slytherin.
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 9:37 pm UK's title design doesn't match with the cover itself, but I like it
crimsonking March 8th, 2005, 9:38 pm in the UK one, it looks like they are about to fight someone,...or something...
maybe LV. and maybe at the end, DD dies?
good thinking^^
delemtri March 8th, 2005, 9:40 pm Another thing I think is noteworthy is that the book ends on a cliffhanger, or at least VII will take up where HBP leaves off. With that in mind, where in the story do you think these scenes are? Do you think it's possible that any of them are near the very end of the story?
Briar Filth March 8th, 2005, 9:41 pm I've just had a thought (apologies if it's already been mentioned) - perhaps the Advanced Potions Book on the UK adults version belongs to Snape? Ha, maybe Harry opens it up and discovers a bunch of old letters that Snape wrote when he was at school.
Uh, I'm getting a little far-fetched now aye? :huh:
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 9:41 pm Another thing I think is noteworthy is that the book ends on a cliffhanger, or at least VII will take up where HBP leaves off. With that in mind, where in the story do you think these scenes are? Do you think it's possible that any of them are near the very end of the story?
Scenes? what sceneS? I saw only one ScenE
crimsonking March 8th, 2005, 9:41 pm where did u hear that it is a cliffhanger?!?!?
JKR said that 6 & 7 were almost like 1 book...but she NEVER said that it had a cliffhanger.
LadyofthePensieve March 8th, 2005, 9:42 pm Hi,
I think the book will playa keyrole in the Half-Blood Prince story. Itīs important for the plot.
Steps4ever March 8th, 2005, 9:42 pm OMG i hate the UK Child cover
i love the adult version
also US version not bad, but i prefer OotP, that's really beautifully done
UK child (5/10)
UK adult (9/10)
US (8/10)
i can't wait till the day of publishing
it makes me have a HUGE "?" in my head after saw the adult cover and the US version with the column stuff
rjade829 March 8th, 2005, 9:43 pm The writer of "Advanced Potion Making" was Libavius Borage.
There was once a Andreas Libavius.
Andreas Libavius
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Andreas Libavius (1550 - July 25, 1616) was a German doctor and chemist. Libavius was born in Halle, Germany, as Andreas Libau. He worked as a teacher in Ilmenau and Coburg, and became a professor in Jena in 1588. In 1597, he wrote the first systematic chemistry textbook, Alchemia, which included instructions for the preparation of several strong acids. Some of his writings were published under the name Basilius de Varna. Libavius died in Coburg.
The name on the book is actually "Libatius," not "Libavius" (it's clearest here: http://hpana.com/imageviewer.cfm?nid=18529&f=hbp-uk-adult.jpg), but that's interesting that Libavius was a chemist. It still makes sense with the whole potions thing.
But I think JKR got the name "Libatius" from the word "libation":
Main Entry: li·ba·tion
Pronunciation: lI-'bA-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin libation-, libatio, from libare to pour as an offering; akin to Greek leibein to pour
1 a : an act of pouring a liquid as a sacrifice (as to a deity) b : a liquid (as wine) used in a libation
2 a : an act or instance of drinking often ceremoniously b : BEVERAGE; especially : a drink containing alcohol
So I'm assuming Libatius Borage's name means a liquid form of borage. Perfect for the author of a potion book :) I love the clever way JKR invents names.
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 9:44 pm OMG i hate the UK Child cover
i love the adult version
also US version not bad, but i prefer OotP, that's really beautifully done
UK child (5/10)
UK adult (9/10)
US (8/10)
i can't wait till the day of publishing
it makes me have a HUGE "?" in my head after saw the adult cover and the US version with the column stuff
in UK child Harry finally looks grown up
crimsonking March 8th, 2005, 9:45 pm Hi,
I think the book will playa keyrole in the Half-Blood Prince story. Itīs important for the plot.
the book will definately play a keyrole to the story. and it is also DEFIANTELY important to the plot. w/o a book, you are missing an entire story. like going: 1,2,3,5,7
doesn't work w/o the book!
Briar Filth March 8th, 2005, 9:48 pm OMG i hate the UK Child cover
Why does every one say that???????? I think it shows a really interesting scene! Granted, I thought that Dumbledore was Flitwick to start off with, and Harry looks like he's snogging and invisible girl, but still, it's not that bad!!!!
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 9:49 pm Why does every one say that???????? I think it shows a really interesting scene! Granted, I thought that Dumbledore was Flitwick to start off with, and Harry looks like he's snogging and invisible girl, but still, it's not that bad!!!!
I like it
rjade829 March 8th, 2005, 9:50 pm the book will definately play a keyrole to the story. and it is also DEFIANTELY important to the plot. w/o a book, you are missing an entire story. like going: 1,2,3,5,7
doesn't work w/o the book!
I think they were referring to the potions book pictured on the adult UK cover... I could be wrong
delemtri March 8th, 2005, 9:51 pm The name on the book is actually "Libatius," not "Libavius" (it's clearest here: http://hpana.com/imageviewer.cfm?nid=18529&f=hbp-uk-adult.jpg), but that's interesting that Libavius was a chemist. It still makes sense with the whole potions thing.
But I think JKR got the name "Libatius" from the word "libation":
So I'm assuming Libatius Borage's name means a liquid form of borage. Perfect for the author of a potion book :) I love the clever way JKR invents names.
I wouldn't rule out that it's an amalgam either. She's just incredible enough to do that.
Anybody else feeling really good about these covers? I think HBP is going to be *really* intense.
Kneazle March 8th, 2005, 9:51 pm I think the colors resemble Harry. Because he's now all grown up. The covers are grown up too :) 3-4 years ago I liked complex stuff, like the complex colors in the earlier books, but now I like simple stuff, like the covers of book 5 or 6 :)Yeah, I agree with that. I felt a distinct pride in Harry looking at the covers, because the simpler styles does convey a sense of urgency and greatness, because the end is coming close now and they're getting down to it. :)
Harry teach himself advanced potion making? Hmm that seems more real to me. I dunno why.Oooh, I really, really like that theory! Though I think anything that has to do with Potions will go lead to Snape in some way.
delemtri March 8th, 2005, 9:53 pm where did u hear that it is a cliffhanger?!?!?
JKR said that 6 & 7 were almost like 1 book...but she NEVER said that it had a cliffhanger.
I've heard it but I admit it was not from a JKR interview, just from talking to other fans. So I could be wrong.
Yeah, I agree with that. I felt a distinct pride in Harry looking at the covers, because they do convey a sense of urgency and greatness, because the end is coming close now and they're getting down to it. :)
Oooh, I really, really like that theory! Though I think anything that has to do with Potions will go lead to Snape in some way.
I don't think so. I think Dumbledore will teach Harry Advanced Potions. We learned the lesson with Snape teaching Harry things in OOTP.
crimsonking March 8th, 2005, 9:54 pm Lady of the pensieve:
you must have been talking about the Adult cover.
sorry
lol
Briar Filth March 8th, 2005, 9:54 pm I like it
Ah, spiffing! I like it too
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 9:54 pm Oooh, I really, really like that theory! Though I think anything that has to do with Potions will go lead to Snape in some way.
Maybe private lessons with Snape because he didn't get enough OWLs? :wow: Poor Harry!
Actually, no way. If McGonagal said Harry will become an Auror, it'd be much easier to pursuade Snape to leave Harry in his class than to take extra time from Snape and Harry after school.
I like the idea of Dumbledore teaching Harry potions too!
TheMuffinMan March 8th, 2005, 9:55 pm I have a question...
Why is there a seperate edition of the HP books for adults and kids in the UK?
Geez, have you seen how many people are here?
rjade829 March 8th, 2005, 9:55 pm I wouldn't rule out that it's an amalgam either.
I'm not ruling that out. I think it's interesting.
Kneazle March 8th, 2005, 9:56 pm I don't think so. I think Dumbledore will teach Harry Advanced Potions. We learned the lesson with Snape teaching Harry things in OOTP.Oh I agree, I don't think Snape will be teaching Harry much else, either. :) It's just the subject is closely tied to Snape so he might figure in in some way.
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 9:57 pm I have a question...
Why is there a seperate edition of the HP books for adults and kids in the UK?
Geez, have you seen how many people are here?
So that adults wouldn't be embarraced reading children's books in public places :)
yrome March 8th, 2005, 9:58 pm I always found it interesting that the color for HBP cover (even before we had the actual illustrations on the cover) was purple, as purple is the color associated with Royalty.
Did some research about purple and green at
http://www.color-wheel-pro.com/color-meaning.html
Here's what it said:
"Purple combines the stability of blue and the energy of red. Purple is associated with royalty. It symbolizes power, nobility, luxury, and ambition. It conveys wealth and extravagance. Purple is associated with wisdom, dignity, independence, creativity, mystery, and magic."
Royalty AND magic - coincidence?
"You can use bright purple when promoting children's products."
coincidence? Oh my, I am so cynical.....on to Green
"Green is the color of nature. It symbolizes growth, harmony, freshness, and fertility. Green has strong emotional correspondence with safety. "
Hopefully that has good implications for Harry!
"Green has great healing power. It is the most restful color for the human eye; it can improve vision. Green suggests stability and endurance. Sometimes green denotes lack of experience; for example, a 'greenhorn' is a novice. In heraldry, green indicates growth and hope."
Heraldry means "n 1: the study and classification of armorial bearings and the tracing of genealogies 2: emblem indicating the right of a person to bear arms"
from www.dictionary.com
just some food for thought!
delemtri March 8th, 2005, 10:01 pm Oh I agree, I don't think Snape will be teaching Harry much else, either. :) It's just the subject is closely tied to Snape so he might figure in in some way.
I had a theory awhile ago about Snape... Everybody thinks there's such obvious parallels between Harry's group at Hogwarts and his father's group. But Snape was no Draco Malfoy; he was more like Tom Riddle, at least in all of the ways that were true about Tom. Bad childhood, half-blood (is he?), slightly similar characteristics (true of Harry || Tom as well)... I think we've got a lot to see about Snape and I agree that it's possible that if there's Potions in the plot he'll be there. ;)
I'm not ruling that out. I think it's interesting.
Can you think of any potions already in the text which would fit especially with the name? I'm trying to think in particular if there was anything at the DOM. (For instance, Broderick Bode almost definitely worked in the room with the planets, based on his name - Bode's Law was some nonsense about planets' distances between each other or something.) Were there any potions at the DOM?
crimsonking March 8th, 2005, 10:01 pm good idea^
JakeOfRavenclaw March 8th, 2005, 10:01 pm I knew that the cover would be that shade of green, I knew it I knew it I knew it. Don't ask me how...my brain does wierd stuff like that sometimes.
Anyway...I pretty sure that that's a pensive on the U.S. cover, so mabye the pensive will play a more important roll in HBP. I also found the U.K. kids cover extremly interesting--Harry and DD, surounded by flames...I think that DD'll die in this book.
TheMuffinMan March 8th, 2005, 10:02 pm So that adults wouldn't be embarraces reading children's books in public places :)
:lol:
Speaking of Bode...
Did anyone notice that Broderick Bode's great-great-great- somehtin grandfather is the leader of the Headless Hunt?
delemtri March 8th, 2005, 10:03 pm I'm wondering why nobody's discussed all the fire in the UK children's edition? It has Harry and Dumbledore but the scene feels very different.
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 10:03 pm Dumbledore can't die this early. No way...
Briar Filth March 8th, 2005, 10:03 pm So that adults wouldn't be embarraced reading children's books in public places :)
I find that so odd. It's almost laughable what with the popularity of the books!
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 10:05 pm I find that so odd. It's almost laughable what with the popularity of the books!
yeah but those who saw only first movie and thought it was *hm* still think that it's a stupid children story. I know people like that...... AND they lived in London
Blue_Eyes March 8th, 2005, 10:09 pm I have a question. Why are the British covers better their the American covers? I mean all we get in the American cover is a pensieve looking thing, green color, and Dumbledore and Harry but with *** English version it looks cooler. I have a feeling now that I've seen the covers that the half-blood prince might be Dumbledore.
rjade829 March 8th, 2005, 10:09 pm Can you think of any potions already in the text which would fit especially with the name? I'm trying to think in particular if there was anything at the DOM. (For instance, Broderick Bode almost definitely worked in the room with the planets, based on his name - Bode's Law was some nonsense about planets' distances between each other or something.) Were there any potions at the DOM?
Not that I can think of at the moment, but we did always know there would be a new potion in HBP based on JKR's EBF interview quote:
How do you make up the weird names for the potions?
Sometimes invention gives out. I was writing the latest chapter of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince and I needed to come up with another name for another potion. I sat for ten minutes at the keyboard then I just typed X. I thought, Ill go back and fill that in later. Sometimes you really want to get on with the story.
This might not even be an important potion...but now that we see a potions book on one of the book covers, it could be.
I think the UK adult book cover is really intriguing.
LunaGoldstein March 8th, 2005, 10:10 pm Interesting, I can't look at the cover art in terms of is it pretty or not, but rather "what does it mean man, what does it mean??!!" I'm almost positive now that the half blood pronce has to be a dead guy of some sort if it is indeed a pensieve on the cover. I was dissapointed that the British adult cover was of an advanced potions book, cause I know this is almost sacreligious to say, but I just plain don't like reading about Snape.
JakeGNMe March 8th, 2005, 10:10 pm I think the cover of the Adult version tells us that Harry gets really good marks on his OWLS and is able to pursue a career in being an Auror. YAY!!!
TheMuffinMan March 8th, 2005, 10:11 pm http://www.mugglenet.com/books/bookcovers/index.shtml
Out of all the country's, which do you think has the best covers?
Some ofm them are the same as the American and UK ones.
I, personally, think that Ukraine and Italy got the best covers. I wish that I could have the books in english, but thier covers, cause there a lot cooler then ours.
Oooo, and japan has great covers too...
emaleth March 8th, 2005, 10:12 pm I think that DD'll die in this book.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I'm wondering why nobody's discussed all the fire in the UK children's edition? It has Harry and Dumbledore but the scene feels very different.
personally, i find the fire and the intense looks on both dumbledore + harry's faces to be quite terrifying. it looks to me more like a bloody-firey-battle scene, than an 'exploring-the-mysteries-of-life' scene from the american edition.
Kneazle March 8th, 2005, 10:12 pm I'm wondering why nobody's discussed all the fire in the UK children's edition? It has Harry and Dumbledore but the scene feels very different.They look kind of surprised and fearful. My question is, is Dumbledore's wand producing the flames or are they caught in the middle of them?
I have a question. Why are the British covers better their the American covers? I mean all we get in the American cover is a pensieve looking thing, green color, and Dumbledore and Harry but with *** English version it looks cooler.Well, I prefer the British covers in some cases, but it comes down to a matter of taste I suppose. :)
rjade829 March 8th, 2005, 10:13 pm I think the cover of the Adult version tells us that Harry gets really good marks on his OWLS and is able to pursue a career in being an Auror. YAY!!!
That was my first reaction -- that advanced potions book means that Harry did well on his OWL.
But didn't McGonagall tell him that she'd help him become an Auror no matter what it takes? What if he didn't pass his OWL, can she help him anyway, or is that against the rules?
(I do think that he passed his OWL. I'm just asking 'what if')
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 10:13 pm I love Ukraine covers too :)
emaleth March 8th, 2005, 10:15 pm was there this much excitement two years ago when ootp's cover came out?!
AmyHunt March 8th, 2005, 10:16 pm I think Harry has brought his OWLs to a good end, so he passed for Potions... (I think Snape isn't happy about that...) And because we see Dumbledore and Harry together on the UK and the US cover, I presume that they will fight together against LV. And Dumbledore will be a main character. But I don't see anything that gives us more information about the Half-Blood Prince...
LadyofthePensieve March 8th, 2005, 10:21 pm Right,
itīs Libatius Borage! anyway, I wasnīt bad for the beginning.
hehe
Greetings
silver ink pot March 8th, 2005, 10:23 pm Did anyone else look at the British Children's cover and think of the "Army of Heliopaths" (creatures of fire) that Luna tells Harry about? She says that Cornelius Fudge has an army of these creatures that destroy everything in their path, but no one believes her. (I think they should!)
I swear, today I was driving around and heard "American Pie" by Don McClean and there is a line about Fire being "the devil's only friend." And I thought of that cover. The Potter's house was destroyed by fire (exploded) the night they died, too. Hmmmmm.
LJB85 March 8th, 2005, 10:23 pm The American version I agree is probably a pensieve, but I wouldn't say 100% sure. I think that the half-blood Prince is Gryffindor and that they are going back in time to 1000 years ago when he lived. The UK version children's makes me think that they are dueling together as a team(Dumbledore/Harry). Dumbledore it is strange to say DOES NOT look CALM. This is a major hint, because under pressure he has always been composed. I think because of this, that this is showing the moment of his death. The UK adult version about potion making makes us know pretty much for sure that Harry made it into NEWT potions class and confirm's Snape's importance. Perhaps potions will be very useful in tricking Voldemort and Snape will show him from his skills as a spy some very cunning tricks.
WoodenCoyote March 8th, 2005, 10:24 pm Why does every one say that???????? I think it shows a really interesting scene! Granted, I thought that Dumbledore was Flitwick to start off with, and Harry looks like he's snogging and invisible girl, but still, it's not that bad!!!!Its good, but a little funny looking. Harry's face makes you think they're about to be run over by a mac or soemthing :rotfl:
Nephel March 8th, 2005, 10:26 pm My impressions:
I believe that what Dumbledore and Harry are looking at on the American cover is a potions. Whatever we're looking at is also green (Slytherin). So I think Snape is going to be very involved in this story, and we'll find out why D keeps him as the Potions teacher. We also see on the adult cover of the UK version a book called "Advanced Potion Making." Another reference to Snape.
Either Dumbledore and Harry will be spending more time together, or they'll involved in the big event together, since they are both depicted on two of the three covers.
The UK children's version looks as if they surrounded by fire. Either it's magic, or some sort of symbolism for Dumbledore (Phoenix). Perhaps that is the event following what we see in the American version.
Just my opinion :)
A key part to come in the series is to discover what bestowed immortality upon Voldemort. I'm thinking it was some kind of potion that may have had something to do with Snape.
TheMuffinMan March 8th, 2005, 10:29 pm A key part to come in the series is to discover what bestowed immortality upon Voldemort. I'm thinking it was some kind of potion that may have had something to do with Snape.
I think it was something much more complex then a potion. Maybe part of it was a potion, but Dumbledore said it took years for Tom to transform and re-surface as Lord Voldemort.
I beleive that the more he dove into the Dark arts, and the more he used it, kind of tainted his soul and morphed his body as he became more evil and more dark. I beleive that the Dark Arts eventually consumed Tom's very being and transformed him into what he is...
*shudder*
Ugh, your signature is scary... I have Arachniphobia...
rjade829 March 8th, 2005, 10:30 pm I always thought that if Dumbledore died it wouldn't be until book 7, but seeing the covers for HBP I think it's possible that he might die sooner. Not that I didn't think it was possible before, but I think it's a bit more likely now.
He looks really scary on the UK children's cover...
Harry's face makes you think they're about to be run over by a mac or soemthing :rotfl:
hahaha :lol:
RavenEye March 8th, 2005, 10:32 pm Never mind the front cover: I want to see the back now (it usually has more information than the front in the UK editions).
Nephel March 8th, 2005, 10:39 pm I always thought that if Dumbledore died it wouldn't be until book 7, but seeing the covers for HBP I think it's possible that he might die sooner. Not that I didn't think it was possible before, but I think it's a bit more likely now.
He looks really scary on the UK children's cover...
hahaha :lol:
Dumbledore always looks scary when he's angry; discovery of fake Moody, arrival at DoM etc.
The fire on the cover appears to be eminating from Dumbledore's wand...the way it spirals around both of them suggests to me it is some kind of protective spell that Dumbeldore used, or some way of using Fawkes to 'disapparate'.
EDIT
Both of them have thier wands out and ready and seem to be focusing on the same thing...doesn't look good.
Batsec March 8th, 2005, 10:40 pm Just out of curiosity? What is the difference between hp adult and children version is the story line different or just the illustrations? Im quite a new HP fan i recently won a dvd 6disk box set in a competition about protecting copyrights and stuff and watched the movies and now am hooked i have already ordered a 5book box set thingy from the bookstore to start reading the books which i believe will be even better than the movies
C8H10N4O2 March 8th, 2005, 10:42 pm One possibility with the Advanced Potions book that I did not notice in all the posts (maybe I missed it) is that it is not Snape's, it is not Dumbledore's, but rather it is the person who told Harry,
I will assist you to become an Auror if it is the last thing I do! If I have to coach you nightly, I will make sure you achieve the required results!It looks old enough to be McGonagall's, which would be around 50 years old. She strikes me as the kind who would keep her old books, and reference them when needed. Of course, it would be more practical than the book I kept from grad school, "Discrete Data Structures in Computer Science".
It really seems that JKR has found a way to satisfy and confound with this one, relatively simple cover.
Nephel March 8th, 2005, 10:43 pm Just out of curiosity? What is the difference between hp adult and children version is the story line different or just the illustrations? Im quite a new HP fan i recently won a dvd 6disk box set in a competition about protecting copyrights and stuff and watched the movies and now am hooked i have already ordered a 5book box set thingy from the bookstore to start reading the books which i believe will be even better than the movies
No the books are identical apart from the cover.
A more mature cover is used for the adults book as it was seen unappropriate for adults to be reading a child's book. The more mature, adult cover differentiates this book from the children's version.
snuggle the muggle March 8th, 2005, 10:43 pm Just out of curiosity? What is the difference between hp adult and children version is the story line different or just the illustrations? Im quite a new HP fan i recently won a dvd 6disk box set in a competition about protecting copyrights and stuff and watched the movies and now am hooked i have already ordered a 5book box set thingy from the bookstore to start reading the books which i believe will be even better than the movies
No. No difference at all. They are the same. It is just so adults don't have to "feel silly" reading a children's book in public. Although in my opinion: We should all flaunt our love of Harry Potter! Spread the news! Maybe you will win over a new fan!!! But, then, of course, I'm American. Maybe I don't have quite as much dignity as the average British adult reading the books. Ha!!
Yetisnowman March 8th, 2005, 10:46 pm Here are my thoughts.
1) On the American Cover it looks as though they are looking at a penseive. Not Dumbledores or Snapes but my guess is Voldemorts, I think this because we learn more about Voldemort's past in this book.
2) On the British Cover it looks as though Fawkes it flying around HArry and DD.
SuzeDeSilva March 8th, 2005, 10:46 pm Is it just me, or does that container thingy look like the sorting hat turned upside-down???
xXillusion March 8th, 2005, 10:47 pm Just out of curiosity? What is the difference between hp adult and children version is the story line different or just the illustrations? Im quite a new HP fan i recently won a dvd 6disk box set in a competition about protecting copyrights and stuff and watched the movies and now am hooked i have already ordered a 5book box set thingy from the bookstore to start reading the books which i believe will be even better than the movies
wow you haven't read the books? :huh: Well I can say one thing: it's not better, it's so good that English language can't describe it :angel:
Movies don't tell half the events...... and important events!
oh and please please please don't gp pn these forums until you've read 5 books! You'll just spoil for yourself all the plot twists and everything!
Lavender Brown March 8th, 2005, 10:53 pm My mom called me when I was "getting ready" for schools this morning (I was actually still asleep) and told me they were unveiling the cover on TV in the next half hour. I've never gotten ready so fast in my life.
My three thoughts on each of the covers (surprisingly enough I have drawn exactly one conclussion from each) are:
-On the American one I believe that they are looking into a penseive which is about to revela something major to Harry
-The UK childrens version lead me to believe that Harry and Dumbledore will be in the climax of the book together, and that I fear Dumbledore is going to die then
-The UK adults lead me to believe that Snape could be the half-blood prince, although I am uncertain. I also thought this might pertain to G. Gryffindor or S. Slytherin, it does look like an ancient book.
Batsec March 8th, 2005, 10:58 pm my reading time took a back seat in life the last few years but will probably pick up now.
the lady who designs the american covers is Mary GrandPre she says she feels like hp's mom because she clothes him and combs his hair and stuff like that she is one of the few people in the world who gets to read the books before anyone else to get a feel for the layout of the cover.
She's careful not to create anything that's too obvious - she just wants to drop some hints to the reader, not tell them what happens next.
mindslave March 8th, 2005, 11:09 pm sorry if this has been mentioned, but towards the lower right corner of the uk childrens' edition there appears to be a hook-shaped object interwoven into the fire. I'm not reffering to the botton of dd's robes which some have speculated was horns or something.
mistymoon March 8th, 2005, 11:21 pm I think the fire spiraling around Harry and Dumbledore on the UK cover is a spell from Dumbledore's wand.I think in the battle between Dumbledore and Voldemort in book 5 Dumbledore did a spell that produced a fire whip,if i'm remembering right.
Gary March 8th, 2005, 11:23 pm This is my theory for the American:
First off, the pensieve. Harry has his wand out, his face confident ready to tap into his memories. Dumbledore stands by, with a concerned or worried look on his face. I think that after numerous broken dreams about his parent's deaths, Harry works up the curiosity (if you could call it that) and the courage to go back into his memories and watch it happen. There is no mistaking the fact that Harry is about to look into the pensieve, the reason I believe Harry is going to watch his parent's deaths is the expression on his face, and Dumbledore's meaner. What other memory would cause Dumbledore to stand by Harry looking so concerned? And what memory would cause Harry to stand prepared to watch with a confident face? Only the memory of his parent's deaths.
The UK covers:
The children's cover is interesting. Dumbledore has casted some sort of spell surrounding himself and Harry in a forcefield of fire. His look is of terror but of confidence as well, staring at this person or object just ahead of them. Harry stares transfixed at the person or object, wand at the ready. What could they be staring at that has scared them so? Obviously Voldemort comes to mind, but where are Dumbledore and Harry? Why would Voldemort be there?
The Adult cover shows a potions book, possibly hinting at a greater importance of Snape or Potions? This cover is harder to get any information from.
One thing that stands out in my mind, however, is that unlike in 'Phoenix', Harry and Dumbledore's relationship is strong again, perhaps growing in 'Prince'. Since Voldemort realizes now that Dumbledore cares for Harry, more than just a regular student of his, Dumbledore does not have to hide from Harry anymore. I think we can obviously expect their relationship to grow then, and I think we can expect Dumbledore to begin training Harry for his scary future of facing Voldemort for the last time.
mindslave March 8th, 2005, 11:23 pm yes it does appear to be coming from dd's wand, but that doesn't explain the hook.
Tane March 8th, 2005, 11:24 pm The right hand corner shows a picture of a hand and robe, someone running for there life from a very angry looking Dumbledore. I wonder who that could be?
I wonder, in the OotP cover the childrens cover shows a phoenix and the adult cover a feather, both are connected to the same title. So could the person running from Dumbledore and Harry be Snape because of the advanced potions connection in the adult book.
Also the adult book cover shows a book with the words Advanced Potion Making after seeing really large clear images of the covers on the cBBC website, so I agree with what someone said earlier about the title. That probably means Harry or perhaps Ron as the book looks second hand and I doubt Snape would lend Harry his old tattered advanced potions book, surely not :p:. What does suggest is that we will be seeing our beloved potion master a lot in this book or that he is very important to the story.
mindslave March 8th, 2005, 11:29 pm i'm pretty sure those robes are dd's, and i don't see a hand only that hook, that looks like it could be connected to a staff.
ornjbreezy March 8th, 2005, 11:32 pm The two covers with Dumbledore on them suggest that we'll be seeing a good deal more of old Dumbles in this book. :yay: It looks like he's kind of teaching Harry, or that they're at least working together. Dumbledore is showing Harry something (it looks like the pensieve, but not really, it looks more like a pillar- can you say pillar of storge de ja vu?). It must be important if it's on the cover. Maybe Harry will be lucky enough to get some personal training from Dumbledore. The British version looks violent- can you say....big humungo climactic battle on its way?
As a sidenote, I don't think JK would put Dumbledore on the cover of his death book. I've always thought that Dumbledore will have to die eventually, but this gives me a hope that it might not be until the very end.
padfootLives March 8th, 2005, 11:33 pm Hi
Didn't JkR said in a interview(Edinburgh Book Festival Perhaps?) that she had to come up with a new potion's name for HBP...Because it would fit with the UK adult cover...the book "advance potion making" and all !
As to Harry learning by himself from that book...I just don't think he will get THAT lucky ! (come on...Snape is a good character but he is a pain in the a.s)
No I believe that Harry will make it in NEWT Potion, and most likely not thanks to his grade (Will he still want to be an auror anyway ?)...but simply because Dumbledore thinks it's important for him to continue to study potion (I bet Snape will love that !)
Well that's my opinion (for what it's worth)
About the UK cover (the one for the children) I think that the fire is coming from Dumbledore's wand (look at the tip) and that it's protecting them somehow (it's the feeling i get anyway...)
But the stricken look they have on their face give the goose bump...I swear to you guys this cover freak me out (but in good sort-of-way)
This is definitly Dumbledore on both...I like that
It seems that Harry will put (or will have to) his disagreement with dumbledore aside...that they will somehow work together on something...or that dumbledore will train Harry (Occlumency, or maybe even DADA !), that now that the end is near they will unite their strengh...I really like that idea
....and apperently they will be in danger (that I dislike :p)
Is it the last stand of Dumbledore ? Believe me I simply loathe the idea of Dumbledore dying !
But it's sort of how it work no ? The mentor-Protector always leave the Hero before the "quest" is over, before the big confrontation...
Look at Star Wars (Luke-Yoda)
Look at the Lord of the Ring (Frodo-Gandalf)
I know that no proof (far from it !)...but it's scary when you look at it that way
THe only good thing about this (the comparison) is That in Star Wars, AND in LotR all the hero's mate make it alive !
About Snape Being the HBP well...I don't know...maybe
But I like the idea of Godric Gryffindor...so we'll see
For the green color...it could mean so much things...
They could be looking at october 31st 1981 through a pensive
It could be related to avada kedavra
It could be related to Harry's (and lily) eyes color
It could be related to the power locked in the DoM (the power Harry have)
It could be a potion
This is going to be a loooooong wait till July 16th !
Peace
Tane March 8th, 2005, 11:40 pm After looking a second time I am not sure whether it is a hand, I think I may have seen just flame so the black thing in the corner could be anything. I wanted the object in the corner on the UK book to be a person so much that my eyes may have decieved me into thinking it was.
About the UK cover (the one for the children) I think that the fire is coming from Dumbledore's wand (look at the tip) and that it's protecting them somehow (it's the feeling i get anyway...)
But the stricken look they have on their face give the goose bump...I swear to you guys this cover freak me out (but in good sort-of-way)
This is definitly Dumbledore on both...I like that
It seems that Harry will put (or will have to) his disagreement with dumbledore aside...that they will somehow work together on something...or that dumbledore will train Harry (Occlumensy, or maybe even DADA !), that now that the end is near they will unite their strengh...I really like that idea
....and apperently they will be in danger I know what you mean.
Dumbledore dying, I kind of have a bad feeling about this too because he does look pretty scary in the UK cover. It looks like Dumbledore is using all the power he can muster in that spell to protect Harry too.
padfootLives March 8th, 2005, 11:45 pm Dumbledore dying, I kind of have a bad feeling about this too because he does look pretty scary in the UK cover. It looks like Dumbledore is using all the power he can muster in that spell to protect Harry too.
Exactly !
This is just the feeling !
Well this one (UK cover) may be good but definitly not cheerful !
Firebolt2004 March 8th, 2005, 11:59 pm My thoughts about the covers:
1. Yay, Harry is taking NEWT level potions. But did he get an O in his OWL or is there a new potions teacher? (Felix Felicius?) If there is a new potions teacher, then Snape might have got the DADA teacher job, which could mean he might be the one dying at the end of HBP as the DADA teacher don't last for more than a year.
2. Dumbledore and Harry fighting together. Their relationship seems to have overcome the anger and sadness of OOtP. But the worried look in Dumbledore's eyes in the UK cover suggests that they are in some grave danger and will Dumbledore sacrifice himself to save Harry?
3. Is that a pensieve that harry and Dumbledore are looking at or is it some other advanced magic that Dumbledore is teaching Harry? I'm glad that their relationship is repaired, but how long will Dumbledore be there to mentor Harry?
Another interesting thing is that in the UK cover, though both Harry and Dumbledore look worried and almost panicked, they are looking in different directions, so either they are facing something massive or there is more than one thing they're fighting against.
Im Mental March 9th, 2005, 12:09 am ON the American cover, Harry is holding his wand, Dumbly is not. Possibly, Dumble has taught Harry to use a pensive, and we get to see what REALLY happened the night his parents died!
Tane March 9th, 2005, 12:10 am I am giving a guess that the US childrens cover is the pensieve and that Harry could be looking at the event when Voldemort killed his mother and then tried to kill him using the killing curse, hence the green colour comming from the stone pensieve. Harry has that image stored in his brain but can not remember anything but green on that day, the pensieve could extract the whole memory of the day though and relay it back to Harry and Dumbledore as both are unsure as to what happened on that night.
Then again it could be anything, I can not wait for the book to come out now. Sleepy time for me.
Edit: sorry you beat me too it, great minds think a like
TheMuffinMan March 9th, 2005, 12:11 am I think your definately looking too much into the whole
Fire looks like a hook at the bottom rightr hand corner" thing...
The fire makes diferent odd shapes and shadows through-out it's whip-like formation, and I doubt it has any signifigance.
Lol :lol: while talking about odd shapes in the fire:
At the top left-hand corner, in the middle of the flame, theres an area of white that's shaped like a Harmonica! :elaugh:
Rictu_Sempra March 9th, 2005, 12:11 am This has just struck me and i have no idea if anyone else has lookied into this but, (my goodness, my brain is racing...i am so excited about this cover!!!!!!) Does ANYONE know that much about Dumbledore's parentage? EXACTLY. That's right folks, DUMBLEDORE COULD BE THE HALFBLOOD PRINCE!! AND...let's think about the pensieve for a brief moment here... how many times have we just taken it for face value? Most of us probably think "oh cool, something that records thoughts." Wait a minute, rewind. RECORDS THOUGHTS! Not only does the pensieve rocord thoughts but there is a particular one who's thoughts are VERY valuable. Dumbledore's. The prophecy is broken. Voldemort won't be able to get into the ministry anymore but what if he finds out or already knows about the pensieve? Obviously, if you sat at the pensieve long enough, you could view all the thoughts there and since the prophecy is in his pensieve, the DE would try to get to it. Where is the pensive? Hogwarts. Thats right, Hogwarts. Anyone else squirming?
P.s. This is the random pschyobabble that popped into my mind the second I saw the book cover so I am very sorry if this is incoherent or doesn't make sense.
Toodles!
xXillusion March 9th, 2005, 12:12 am I think your definately looking too much into the whole
Fire looks like a hook at the bottom rightr hand corner" thing...
The fire makes diferent odd shapes and shadows through-out it's whip-like formation, and I doubt it has any signifigance.
Lol :lol: while talking about odd shapes in the fire:
At the top left-hand corner, in the middle of the flame, theres an area of white that's shaped like a Harmonica! :elaugh: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Allemande March 9th, 2005, 12:14 am Well, after I saw the covers, especially the UK adult one, it really got me thinking.
The title of the book is called Advanced Potion Making....an homage to Snape, I'm assuming.
Also, the author of the book is something like Libatius (not totally positive about that) Borage (this I can tell for sure.)
So, I thought it was kind of odd that they would choose a book as the cover art, especially when it is a totally different cover from the children's one. I mean, when they did the adult versions of the first four, the covers were of the Hogwarts Express, the Weasley's car, Buckbeak, and the dragon, all of which were on the children's covers as well...it seems kind of odd that they would make it totally different now...I think there could be something important with that.
Anyways, getting back to the name of the author, I decided to Google and see if the names meant anything. Here's what I got for Borage:
Borage, Borago officinalis, is a gangly, airy plant growing up to about 2 1/2' high and about 2' wide. The leaves are wrinkled, long ovals, covered with prickly little hairs. The leaves are in clumps at the base. The flower clusters sit atop long hollow prickly stems which come out of the leave base. The flowers themselves droop, as if in need of water. All in all, borage sounds like an unattractive weed. Until you come to the flower itself. The heat of summer brings it out and abruptly this ugly duckling plant is covered with the most vibrant, star-shaped blue flowers.
It is these bright blue flowers that borage is known for. (Although I have never seen them, borage flowers come in pink and lavender as well according to some references.) All parts of the plant have a refreshing cucumber flavor, but because of the thistly hairs, the stem and leaves are rarely used. Naturally there are some exceptions. Adventurous chefs have been known to add blanched leaves to salads as a substitute for spinach. In Latin American, the leaves are used in a tisane to help lung problems. Chinese chefs have been known to use the leaves much as others use grape leaves: stuffed and rolled. Germans add the leaves to stews and court bullions. And in England, the gin based drink, Pimm's No.1, has borage as one of its important ingredients.
From the earliest of times, borage is credited with inducing calm and fortitude. It was usually steeped in wine or brandy and given to travelers before a long journey, or to soldiers before battle. Some of the early Celtic names for borage make references to courage as well. Pliny called borage "Euphrosinium" because it "maketh a man merry and joyfull."
Nowadays, due to recent scientific research, borage is reputed to have medicinal properties. It contains a compound which helps relieve inflammatory conditions such as eczema when applied topically. In naturopathic healing it is said to have positive effects on the heart when taken as a tea in combination with hawthorne berries. It also reportedly balances the function of the adrenal gland, and is especially helpful following surgeries.
http://www.sallys-place.com/food/columns/gilbert/borage.htm
What Is It?
From its bristly stems to its blue star-shaped flowers, virtually all parts of the borage plant (Borago officinalis) have been used over the centuries for their healing properties and as a flavoring for foods. As early as the 1600s, Europeans mixed borage leaves and flowers into a wine that was renown for relieving boredom and dispelling melancholy.
It also apparently has a lot of healing qualities: it can be used for people with arthiritis, bad acne, prevent nerve damage due to diabetes, etc.
http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/1,1525,10072,00.html
I don't really know if this means anything/how it would relate to the book, but I thought it was interesting....especially the stuff about how many various diseases/ailments it can help with.....isn't there a plant that was mentioned in one of the books that had healing powers? Or I am just remembering wrong?
Also, the bit about the "blue, star-shaped flowers," reminds me of the Sirius star, which is also blue in colour
TheMuffinMan March 9th, 2005, 12:14 am ON the American cover, Harry is holding his wand, Dumbly is not. Possibly, Dumble has taught Harry to use a pensive, and we get to see what REALLY happened the night his parents died!
Then why does Dumbledore have his hand piosed over the basin?
Why not show Harry prodding it, or even haveing his wand remotely close the the surface of it.
But it does not.
It's show's Harry leaning in to look at the surface, and it shows Dumbledore with his hand raised above the pensive.
So far we have learned 2 diferent ways to activate/use a pensieve. I beleive Dumbledore is using diferent function of the pensieve. One that does not require a wand.
Wraith of Truth March 9th, 2005, 12:19 am Apparently, the name on the adult cover of the text book is "Libatius Borage."
Libatius might come from, "Labiate," which is "Having or characterizing flowers with the corolla divided into two liplike parts, as in the snapdragon." (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Labiate)
"Borage" might be, "An annual, bristly European herb (Borago officinalis) having blue or purplish star-shaped flowers." (http://www.answers.com/borage)
This makes sense since he seems to be the author of Advanced Potions.
I thought that Dumbledore and Harry were making a potion together in the American cover. The British cover is creepy :scared: I wish no one more would die :(
mindslave March 9th, 2005, 12:19 am lol i didn't see the harmonica, but now that you mention it... j/k
i don't think i'm looking into it too much, if you look at it in high resolution, a hook definitely sticks out, and it's attached to a stick or something.
TheMuffinMan March 9th, 2005, 12:24 am lol i didn't see the harmonica, but now that you mention it... j/k
i don't think i'm looking into it too much, if you look at it in high resolution, a hook definitely sticks out, and it's attached to a stick or something.
Oooo, and if you look to the right of Dumbly-doors hand, you can see a toad! It's a toad that's facing toward Dumble's hand...
Maybe his hands going to get eaten by a toad in the next book! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
*Wheezes form laughing to much*
*Composes self*
Okay, I'm done. Sorry for laughing...
No offence meant or anything, just lightening the mood of the thread with some humor...
*scans flames for more obscure images*
Tzigone March 9th, 2005, 12:27 am The AK also gives off green light, something which Harry remembers vividly.
It could be a pensieve, but I just don't think so.
Well, my immediate thought was pensieve, though I'm by no means sure. And then you say this. I know this is highly unlikely (too much green light) but my first thought after reading your comment was to wonder if it was a pensieve and was Harry's memories of his parents' death.
mindslave March 9th, 2005, 12:32 am lol well i guess you don't think it's as obvious as i do. It doesn't seem obscure it seems like it was put there for a reason. Well i guess we'll have to wait and see.
delemtri March 9th, 2005, 12:36 am Not that I can think of at the moment, but we did always know there would be a new potion in HBP based on JKR's EBF interview quote:
This might not even be an important potion...but now that we see a potions book on one of the book covers, it could be.
I think the UK adult book cover is really intriguing.
Very good catch! I think I'm leaning towards this being a potion and not a Pensieve, or perhaps a potion in a Pensieve. Does nobody else think the column the potion/Pensieve is on is a bit like Sirius's archway?
Ithilena March 9th, 2005, 12:37 am Awesome!!!!!! It's very foreboding....green is usually a representation of growth, life, poison, jealousy, and evil...could that mean anything? i mean, blue is a color of sorrow and sirius died in the last book...
mindslave March 9th, 2005, 12:37 am Well so long as i'm looking for obscure images...
above the hook thing i see some whiskers or hair, i think the lion man may be standing just out of the picture, but he seems to be made of fire, lol.
TheMuffinMan March 9th, 2005, 12:41 am Well so long as i'm looking for obscure images...
above the hook thing i see some whiskers or hair, i think the lion man may be standing just out of the picture, but he seems to be made of fire, lol.
If you tilt your head to the right a little, it looks more like a beach towel...
And Dumbledore needs to clean his ears more often... I think he's aquiring the wax build-up he mentioned in GOF, again...
mindslave March 9th, 2005, 12:43 am If you tilt your head to the right a little, it looks more like a beach towel...
good point! maybe it's a flying carpet?!?
TheMuffinMan March 9th, 2005, 12:46 am good point! maybe it's a flying carpet?!?
Of course! :lol:
Ooo, Mr. Crouch (bless his dead, transfigured, bone-soul) won't be happy that Harry will aqquire one! Remember, they were banned, as mentioned in GOF...
*peers into the flames once more*
And is that a pig snout? Harry will most probably aqquire a taste for them in the next book...
Perhaps he will eat them in France, once he flies there on his new magic carpet?
thepatchworkcat March 9th, 2005, 12:48 am I wonder if the green background behind Harry and Dumbledore in the UK Children's edition has any significance. Could they be outside?
Firebolt2004 March 9th, 2005, 12:48 am Of course! :lol:
Ooo, Mr. Crouch (bless his transfigured, bone-soul) won't be happy that Harry will aqquire one! Remember, they were banned, as mentioned in GOF...
Maybe, the half blood prince is that Turkish guy who wanted to sell those magic carpets.
Knight Bus March 9th, 2005, 12:48 am At first I did not care for Mary Grandpre's art. I thought that her covers for PoA and GoF were awful, I've seen fan art a hundred times better. But OotP was great. It gave a real air of mystery and hinted at what was inside with out giving way to much. Plus I think that drawing a adolescent Harry suits her style more. And now HBP is out and it's fantastic. Every bit as good as OotP.
Now from the US and UK covers we can expected allot of interaction between Harry and Dumbledore. Being that at the Edinburgh Book Festival this summer JKR said that HBP will give answers to the questions from the other five books this is not surprising and I can't wait for the HBP! As for the adult UK cover, I never had a doubt that Harry would be in N.E.W.T potions JKR is not going to give up the drama that happens when Harry and Snape are in the same room.
TheMuffinMan March 9th, 2005, 12:49 am I wonder if the green background behind Harry and Dumbledore in the UK Children's edition has any significance. Could they be outside?
They're probably at a Bar-B-Que, and Dumbles is simply starting up the grill... :elaugh:
Burgers anyone? :lol:
Maybe, the half blood prince is that Turkish guy who wanted to sell those magic carpets.
Of course it's Ali Bashir!
How could we have been so blind! *smacks forehead*
mindslave March 9th, 2005, 12:55 am Well i've gotta go now, but i don't think the hook is a joke I really see it, and if you look you can see it too.
xXillusion March 9th, 2005, 1:00 am WILL SOMEONE HELP ME??
I can't see the video on MSNBC! :(
Demius March 9th, 2005, 1:10 am That's true, but everytime Harry plays around with the Pensieve he ends up going back in time. In book 4, he went back to 14 or 13(?) years ago and in book 5 he went back to the time where James and Lily were fifteen. But seeing that the thing that looks like a pensieve is on pedestal and is producing green light, I guess that thing is something else. A more complex and powerful kind of pensieve maybe?
I didnt think that he went back in time i thought he just entered the memory?
Minas Tirith March 9th, 2005, 1:10 am I think that on the Adult UK cover that because it has an advanced potions book, that Snape may have something to do with that. Also that Harry hopefully passed his O.W.L!!
mindslave March 9th, 2005, 1:13 am WILL SOMEONE HELP ME??
I can't see the video on MSNBC! :(
do you have internet explorer, windows media player and a high speed connection?
Beth1977 March 9th, 2005, 1:20 am The adult cover of HBP (UK) has a picture of a very old and tattered potions book. That could mean that Harry passed his OWLS, or that Ron passed his OWLS - the book is old and tattered (maybe second hand).
Nephel March 9th, 2005, 1:21 am Well so long as i'm looking for obscure images...
above the hook thing i see some whiskers or hair, i think the lion man may be standing just out of the picture, but he seems to be made of fire, lol.
Look in the uppermost top-right corner of the British Cover. I can make out something that resembles a face of a phoenix or maybe a lion. Follow the flame that goes around the back of Dumbledore's head....it looks like a long neck of something; leading to the face.
simplybecky March 9th, 2005, 1:29 am Okay, I don't have time to read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been brought up. Anyone have any ideas on why the adult cover of the UK HBP has a book entitled Advanced Potion-Making by a Libelius Borage (that's what the name looks like from here, but it's not too clear) on it?
mindslave March 9th, 2005, 1:31 am Look in the uppermost top-right corner of the British Cover. I can make out something that resembles a face of a phoenix or maybe a lion. Follow the flame that goes around the back of Dumbledore's head....it looks like a long neck of something; leading to the face.
hmm, don't see it. I wouldn't be surprised if it were there though.
Nephel March 9th, 2005, 1:35 am You can't miss it; it's kind of on a tilt.
Look in the top-right corner, where the flame ends.
You should see the face of a phoenix; though I think it looks more like a Lion now.
Aurelen March 9th, 2005, 1:36 am :clap: I love the cover art! I really like the green on the us edition. I suppose Dumbledore will play a big part in this book (even bigger than before?) and from looking at the uk adult version, I can make a guess that Harry will be taking potions this year...that would be intersting. The child version from uk looks a bit scary with all the fire, but it makes me want to read it even more(if that were possible). I am so excited, and at the moment I am too impatient to type any more - I want to read it now!
SnapeLova March 9th, 2005, 1:37 am i wonder what they could be looking at in the penseive????
Aurelen March 9th, 2005, 1:39 am OOOH! I see the face! and if you look down to the bottom left hand corner you can see a paw or foot or something...maybe I am just imagining it, but I see it.
whizbang121 March 9th, 2005, 1:39 am Or Flamel?
http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21203
Nephel March 9th, 2005, 1:40 am Or Flamel?
http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21203
Where is that from?
mindslave March 9th, 2005, 1:41 am You can't miss it; it's kind of on a tilt.
Look in the top-right corner, where the flame ends.
You should see the face of a phoenix; though I think it looks more like a Lion now.
lol i really can't see it. perhaps others are having the same problem seeing my abberation. lol
Nephel March 9th, 2005, 1:43 am lol i really can't see it. perhaps others are having the same problem seeing my abberation. lol
Hmm....I think your looking for an actual face; don't. The face I see is from the shadow of the flame
LJB85 March 9th, 2005, 1:43 am i may be going to far but in the uk children's version in Harry's shirt on the right edge of it I see a reflection of a figure. The eyes, the mouth and shoulders and it appears cloaked. Could that be showing how Voldemort is there? Maybe I am looking too hard???
skunkboy72 March 9th, 2005, 1:44 am Ok, here i my hypostheses...
US version: possible pensive... need to read passages describing to make better guess... also thought of the ensence divided thingy but then remembered that that was made of metel. I would most like guess a new one of prof D's devices.
UK Kid version: Possible conflick between harry and prof D... prof D appears to be looking down at harry in a menicing type manner... IDK... I would assume that the fire represents a type of conflict.
UK Adult version: Seeing as it says Advanced Potion-Making i would assume that harry passed his potion OWL with flying colors and is now in advanced potion with snape... DUH i havent seen anyone else make that yet(i havent looked much tho)... this would mean more time with snape...maybe now they can finally learn to respect each other...maybe snape will respect him for his new found potion skillz. for the record i think the author is Libalius Borage
whizbang121 March 9th, 2005, 1:46 am Where is that from?
It's in the woodgrain of the desk to the left of the book. The adult cover has loads of images.
silver ink pot March 9th, 2005, 1:47 am The American version I agree is probably a pensieve, but I wouldn't say 100% sure. I think that the half-blood Prince is Gryffindor and that they are going back in time to 1000 years ago when he lived. The UK version children's makes me think that they are dueling together as a team(Dumbledore/Harry). Dumbledore it is strange to say DOES NOT look CALM. This is a major hint, because under pressure he has always been composed. I think because of this, that this is showing the moment of his death. The UK adult version about potion making makes us know pretty much for sure that Harry made it into NEWT potions class and confirm's Snape's importance. Perhaps potions will be very useful in tricking Voldemort and Snape will show him from his skills as a spy some very cunning tricks.
I'm afraid I disagree about Dumbledore always looking calm. There have been moments when Harry noticed him looking angry or almost scary before now.
For instance, when Dumbledore saves Harry from the Crouch/Fake Moody, Chapter 35, GoF:
Moody was thrown backward onto the office floor. Harry, still staring at the place where Moody's face had been, saw Albus Dumbledore, Professor Snape, and Professor McGonagall looking back at him out of the Foe-Glass. He looked around and saw the three of them standing in the doorway, Dumbledore in front, his wand outstretched.
At that moment, Harry fully understood for the first time why people said Dumbledore was the only wizard Voldemort had ever feared. The look upon Dumbledore's face as he stared down at the unconscious form of Mad-Eye Moody was more terrible than Harry could have ever imagined. There was no benign smile upon Dumbledore's face, no twinkle in the eyes behind the spectacles. There was cold fury in every line of the ancient face; a sense of power radiated from Dumbledore as though he were giving off burning heat.
I hadn't realized before just how "fiery" Dumbledore seems in that scene - all the fire references!
He may be composed in that scene, but his anger is just below the surface. He shows this side again in OotP, when Umbridge grabs Marietta around the neck and starts to choke her. There are probably other examples.
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