Book Six or Seven: Who will die? v.4

Version 3 can be found here (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=36378).

So who does everyone think will be dying in future books. Personally I see Harry surviving the series, but you never know. I wouldn't be shocked if Dumbledore and Hagrid died or the last 2 marauders, as much as it pains me to say so. I'd prefer nobody dying, but we know that won't happen.

So what does everyone think?

Not Ron please not Ron! (or Hermione or Hagrid or Lupin or any of the other Weasleys or Neville or Luna or Dumbledore or.......)

Basically, hopefully no-one...apart from Voldemort of course. And all the Death Eaters.

Hedwig - definetly :p

Here's what I think:

It's a given that some Death Eaters will be killed. (Cross your fingers for Lucius)

There will be at least a few deaths in HBP, hopefully no one crucial to the central plot (although I'd prefer no one dying)

Possibilities:
Neville's Grandmother
(one of my own suggestions) Narcissa Malfoy
Dumbledore
Ron or Hermione
A Weasley (maybe Harry will have to save Ginny again, but this time he will fail)
Members of the Order

I agree with MadMagic, Dumbledore and Hagrid will probably die before the series ends. That's hard for me to deal with because they are two of my most favorite characters in the entire series, but it may be necessary for them to die to defeat Voldemort once and for all.

If I were forced to guess, I would say that Hagrid will die protecting either Harry or Dumbledore. Madame Maxime is also a possibility, but I think his loyalty to Dumbledore and also his adoration of Dumbledore will cost him his life.

Dumbledore is most likely going to die fighting Voldemort to try to spare Harry from facing the Dark Lord.

One of the Weasley's is going to die - that we've been all but assured of - it's just a matter of which one. I don't think that Ron will die because I see a Ron-Hermione couple. (This rules out Hermione as well.) Mr. Weasley already had a close scare, so he is a possibility, but Mrs. Weasley's death is just too horrible to even think about. Ginny had a brush with death in CoS, but I think she is a much more powerful witch than most people believe. The two older brothers, Bill and Charlie, haven't played major roles in the plot thus far, so I don't think they will die either, but as always, the possibility remains. So who is left? Percy! Percy Weasley is the perfect candidate to die. He is on bad terms with the rest of the family right now, so a redemptive death would all but martyr the ever-perfect former prefect. I definitely see Percy dying to save Ron, another Weasley, or even Harry as a distinct possibility.

Luna Lovegood's character is still hard to grasp - her importance, her involvement, and her power. There is something about her that is vital to the plot - that I am sure of - it's just a matter of what it is. She has a 50/50 chance of surviving the series. It all depends upon how important her character becomes and what involvement level she has.

The remaining Marauders - Lupin and Pettigrew. I believe they are going to have a final battle against one another. (Pettigrew's silver hand and Lupin being a werewolf are just too much of a coincidence for there not to be a final brawl.) Lupin will win the fight, but he'll die from his wounds inflicted by the silver hand. So, again agreeing with MadMagic, both Marauders are going to die.

I could go through the remaining "good guys," but I don't want to write a book here, so the last one I will address is Neville Longbottom. He is of great importance to the plot because he and Harry are interchangeable in Trelawney's prophecy. Neville will be a key character that makes up the cast fighting alongside Harry, Ron, and Hermione for the rest of the series. I don't think he will die.

What about the bad guys? Some of the bad guys just HAVE to die! :p Well, Draco isn't going to die, and neither will Lucius. That scenario would be too perfect to even consider. Bellatrix Lestrange will die by the wand of Harry - mark my words. She killed the only "good" thing Harry had going for him - Sirius, so he will be sure to end her life. There are some of the other Death Eaters out there who will probably bite the dust as well, but I don't think they are as important as the upcoming Death Eaters. I don't see Draco as a DE, but who knows. There are of course numerous candidates from Slytherin, and there are even some likely candidates from the other houses in my opinion. There seems to be a possibility for a lot of student involvement in this war, which means a lot of students could also be casualities.

The neutral character - Snape. I am relatively sure that Snape is a good guy - working for The Order, but Harry, Ron, and Hermione's constant distrust and disdain for Snape puts him in a neutral spot. HBP could very well reveal why Dumbledore trusts Snape, affirming his position among the good guys, but until then - neutral. I don't think Snape will die because his character, and especially his past with The Marauders (James in particular) and Lily, has a lot left to teach Harry so that Harry can learn from the past, and its mistakes.

Finally, the baddest of the bad, the Dark Lord himself - Voldemort. Dead as a doornail.


- ThruTheVeil

Harry, you know don't want it to happen but its inevitable.

I think some of the Weasleys will definitely get it (sob).

Oh my God Professor McGonnagall! No! Although like Mr Weasley she's had a near death scare so she's hopefully safe...

Dumbledore (I assume, though who knows?) made the covers of both the american and british HBP. I think that's a sign he playes a big part in it, and probably tht he ends up snuffing it.

Hedwig - definetly :p

Oh no! Not my beautiful Hedwig, NO! :upset:

i think Wormtail or Lupin will die.

My money's on one of the Weasley's: Bill, Charlie, or Arthur.

I don't want anyone to die, except Voldie and the Death Eaters. I don't want any of the good guys to die. Injured, prehaps, but they have to recover.

Hmm....I think that it won't e a student...probably a member of OotP. or a neutral...anybody consider Fudge? He's gonna be replaced anyway, and surely people hate him now...I'd shoot him. loser.

Hmm....I think that it won't e a student...probably a member of OotP. or a neutral...anybody consider Fudge? He's gonna be replaced anyway, and surely people hate him now...I'd shoot him. loser.

I think Fudge has served his purpose in the books. He didn't believe Harry and Dumbledore when he had the chance, and that led to the resurgence of the Death Eaters and Voldemort. He looks like a fool now, and I'm sure he'll be forced into retirement so he has plenty of time to reflect upon his humiliation as the Minister of Magic who let the Dark Lord return. Killing him off would be a favor to him. :lol:


- ThruTheVeil

Killing him off would be a favor to him. :lol:




That's incredibly brutal. But I like it!! :tu:

I honestly think its going to be Ron. I dont know why i think this, but I think he seems the likely one.

Hedwig - definetly :p
Interesting, I never thought of that. But it would devastate Harry to lose Hedwig and I remember JKR saying that Harry would get a different pet in the next two books.

Interesting, I never thought of that. But it would devastate Harry to lose Hedwig and I remember JKR saying that Harry would get a different pet in the next two books.

That's right! She did. :tu:

But I'm not sure if that should lead us to infer that Hedwig is going to be killed or that she will die. Snape has always been right when he claims that Potter is above the rules - of course he is, he's the protagonist/hero! I think the chances are equally as good that Harry will get a second pet in addition to Hedwig. Still, Hedwig could be the one to die, as sad as that would be. And you're very right, Firebolt2004 - Harry would be devastated.


- ThruTheVeil

I honestly think its going to be Ron. I dont know why i think this, but I think he seems the likely one.

I also think Ron will die. Probably because he's Harry's best friend. Sirius is already dead. Ron's the most important person to Harry right now. I think.
Harry will be miserable. :upset:

i hope it's not RON!!!!!!!

if he dies,i think harry will have a nervous breakdown cos he will lose another close friend like sirius......

what if it is dumbldedore????

Some members of DA will die, as well as members of OotP. Lupin and Wormtail will die, after they spill all the information about James Potter to Harry. Bellatrix Lestrange will kill many good people. Ron will play a big role in killing many Death Eaters. It's time for his role (as in the chess game of Book 1) because Book 6 mirrors Book 2. He will eventually be knocked down (possibly by Bellatrix) but survived.

-The remaining Marauders - Lupin and Pettigrew. I believe they are going to have a final battle against one another. (Pettigrew's silver hand and Lupin being a werewolf are just too much of a coincidence for there not to be a final brawl.) Lupin will win the fight, but he'll die from his wounds inflicted by the silver hand. So, again agreeing with MadMagic, both Marauders are going to die.
- ThruTheVeil

I think this is a great idea. Good eye.

Also the cover of the American Version of the book shows Harry and DD. Some of the other books have scenes from the endings of the books so I think DD might survive this book, hopefully.

Albert Harry: The illustrator gets to read the book before she does the picture.

"GrandPre, who has been illustrating books for 15 years and working as an artist for 25 years, had no idea what she was getting into when she got the call from Scholastic, Rowlings’ American publishers, about creating the art for the first book. She asked to read the work, to see if would be a good fit. (She still gets to read each book before creating the art, making her one of the few people in the world who has actually read book 6 already! Don’t bother asking her what happens, she won’t tell you.)" http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7127158/
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I believe Snape will definitely die in service to the school... That is pretty clear from a comment Rowling made on his 'redemptive qualities'. How better to redeem himself than giving his life to save another? I believe Dumbledore is going to die in book 6, to be honest. Actually, I believe many of the characters will lose their lives by the finish of book 7, including Harry. For him to live would be just too generic IMO.

Version 3 can be found here (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=36378).

So who does everyone think will be dying in future books. Personally I see Harry surviving the series, but you never know. I wouldn't be shocked if Dumbledore and Hagrid died or the last 2 marauders, as much as it pains me to say so. I'd prefer nobody dying, but we know that won't happen.

So what does everyone think?

I used to hink that D would die in book 6 or 7. And I no longer think that he'll die in book 6. I also am now thinking that he might survive the series.

I use to think he'd die because Harry would need that as motivation to finish off Voldemort. But now with the prophecy, I no longer think that Dumbledore's death will be required for Harry to develop the power he needs to vanquish Voldemort.

I like the thoughts I'm reading on the mauraders. I can see Pettigrews silvery hand being Lupin's demise, but not before Lupin gets his revenge on Pettigrew.
I don't think this will happen until book 7 though.

I think the trio will survive. I used to worry that Harry would die, but I no longer feel that way. I'm not sure why. Or perhaps I'm ok with the idea of HArry dying? I don't know. But I don't think he will. The trio will survive. Harry has to have some friends when all is finished. He can't just be left alone - again. That would be cruel, even for JKR.

Hagrid might die protecting Harry. I'm not sure. I used to think Hagrid would die in book 5, and then we'd see Charlie as the creatures teacher, but Hagrid stuck around.

I hope Dumbledore will not die at the end. The wizard world still needs him for advice. There is no other prominent wise wizard as he is. However, I think Jo will write something about the end of his life in the epilogue (died at the age of 234 years, after three more generations of Potters and Weasleys left Hogwarts under his guidance, for example)

Wow, a fresh version of this thread!

Snape is a goner. When Buckbeak ate the ("vampire") bat in the PoA movie, that sealed it for me. He will join Hagrid, the other character that Dumbledore trusts with his life. Dumbledore trusts them because he knows they are both going to die for his cause.

We will think Ron dies, but of course he is just sent back in time and doing fine.

I have a prospect I don't think anybody else has even thought of.
We all know how obsessed Voldie was about getting his hands on the prophecy. I think he finds out who made the prophecy and captures Trelawney, in an atempt to force her to tell him what it is. I also think she dies as a result of his trying to draw it out of her. I don't remember seeing anything in any of the books that would lead us to believe that Trelawney is even aware that she made the prophecy, let alone remember what it is. So, I am sure it will take some pretty strong magic on Voldie's part to get it out of her. He will probably be successful in finding a way to make her remember the prophecy, but I think she will die before she tells him any more than he already knows. HEY VOLDIE!!!!!!! JOKE'S ON YOU!!!!!!! Ofcourse he will be outraged, I believe this may be what triggers his attack on the school. I am thinking it will be towards the end of the book though, makes a good lead in for book 7. Let me know if you think I'm on the right track.

That's a good idea. :tu: I never really considered that Trelawney would have much more of a role left to play after spilling out another prophecy, but your theory is interesting. If Voldemort were to try to capture Trelawney, is it possible that he would have to go to Hogwarts to do it? The school would be so busy trying to protect Harry that no one would ever consider the Dark Lord was coming for Trelawney. This could get very interesting...


- ThruTheVeil

Dumbledore is my top choice, sadly, for who will die.

Dumbledore has always been there to help and protect Harry. Harry needs Dumbledore to get by. As long as Dumbledore is alive Harry knows that the wizarding world stands a chance. Take away Dumbledore. . .

Moody. :upset:

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Personally, I still FIRMLY believe that the character to be killed of in HBP is going to be Snape. He has some strong connection to Harry, some unspoken loyalty, that will be put to the ultimate test in this book. Why? One, it seems likely that he had deep feelings for Harry's mother Lily (would explain his antagonism toward his rival/Harry's dad, James). Second (and this is where I hang most of my hunch on), is Voldemort's words at the end of GOF - that the Death Eater who left his service forever will die. Third, kind of out there ... it makes a great bookend to Sirrus's death - Harry loses someone he really loves AND someone he THINKS he really hates (and I think if Snape does die, it will affect Harry as significantly as Sirrius's death did).

The remaining Marauders - Lupin and Pettigrew. I believe they are going to have a final battle against one another. (Pettigrew's silver hand and Lupin being a werewolf are just too much of a coincidence for there not to be a final brawl.) Lupin will win the fight, but he'll die from his wounds inflicted by the silver hand.I’d like to offer my definitive argument as to why Lupin will not be killed by Peter’s silver hand, which was originally posted on this ( http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?p=1721270) thread:
GoF, p 649, Am Ed:
Voldemort raised his wand again and whirled it through the air. A streak of what looked like molten silver hung shining in the wands wake. Momentarily shapeless, it writhed and then formed itself into a gleaming replica of a human hand, bright as moonlight, which soared downward and fixed itself upon Wormtail’s bleeding wrist.

Wormtail’s sobbing stopped abruptly. His breathing harsh and ragged, he raised his head and stared in disbelief at the silver hand, now attached seamlessly to his arm, as though he were wearing a dazzling glove.
At first, I was afraid for Lupin because of Peter’s silvery hand. But I have several reasons for doubting that Peter’s “silver” hand will kill Lupin:

1. As several people pointed out, the hand may only be silver in color rather than the metal silver. Pure silver has a brilliant white metallic lustre. It is a little harder than gold and is very ductile and malleable (from http://www.webelements.com/webeleme...ext/Ag/key.html). If it were pure silver, I’m not sure it would be hard enough to be able to crush things the way Peter did. As the excerpt from this website says, pure silver is a little harder than gold, which is (according to the same website) the most malleable and ductile metal. Therefore, I would have to wonder whether Peter’s hand is really made out of silver the metal.

2. I agree with Cat that Peter’s hand could kill anybody by a number of methods (ie strangulation or crushing), which makes the idea that it is silver a moot/unimportant point.

3. Silver might not harm werewolves in JK’s world, or at least, silver likely doesn’t harm werewolves in their human form. According to Fantastic Beasts, werewolves are just like any normal wizard on every other day except the full moon. In OotP Lupin drinks out of a silver goblet, which Sirius says is pure goblin silver. And we don’t see Lupin harmed in any way by this. Also as someone pointed out, if silver were to harm a werewolf, it would have to get into the bloodstream. Assuming Peter’s hand could kill werewolves, even if a werewolf-Lupin and silver-handed Peter fight, wouldn’t it be awfully difficult for Peter to get close enough to a werewolf to scratch it or poke it? :huh:

4. The hand may be a red herring designed to make us worried about Lupin’s safety. JK may be distracting us with the real purpose/importance of the silver hand. Personally, I agree with those who view the hand as a shackle- something that physically binds Wormtail even closer to Voldemort. Perhaps this is its real significance, rather than something that will spell Lupin’s doom.

5. In a battle between Lupin and Peter, I sincerely doubt that Peter would come out on top, even with the silver hand. I am highly skeptical that Peter could do much to harm Lupin, despite his hidden talents. We’ve seen evidence that Lupin is an excellent fighter- he is the only one to come out of the DoM battle unharmed, against all those Death Eaters. Thus, I don’t think little Peter will get the best of Lupin, silver hand or not.

And for my final thought- there will be no death by poking! :evil:

And for my final thought- there will be no death by poking! :evil:


:lol: Indeed! No death by poking!

You make some valid points, but I still feel that Pettigrew's betrayal of James merits vengeance sought by Lupin. While the hand may not be pure silver, it could be an alloy - that is, mixed with another, harder metal. The silver may only affect Lupin whilst he is in wolf form, which could counter the goblet argument. You also have a point that this could be another infamous JKR red herring; however, I feel there is significance to the hand - not just that it is metal, but that it is implied that it is of a silver base.


- ThruTheVeil

I think that snape will do something like sacrificing himself for harry (probably not). Another far out death would be if draco joins the DEs and gets killed. By the end of the series i think that dumbledore will probably die (hope not)

i dont really know who will die, i dont want to really think about it either. it better not be Ron. I shall refuse to read the books again if he gets killed off. **sobs** Or any of the weasleys. theyre my favorite characters.
Anyway, but to tell you the truth, i dont think dumbledore will kick the bucket in HBP. I think he still has a role to play in helping harry defeat voldy. If he dies, it will be in the very last pages of HBP. Or in the seventh book. ah well, i dunno

i also think that snape will be killed off too.

Lupin and Pettigrew. There is an itching at the back of my head that tells me that all 4 marauders will have to go. I think this would warrant a chapter, "The Beginning All Over Again." Meaning that Ron, Hermione, and Harry are left to "start again" after the war. Please excuse me if you think I took a little from Star Wars, I did. In the end, the only Jedi left is Luke, the "new" generation. The original, powerful "greats" are gone. Yoda, Obi won, and Anakin. Since both Harry Potter and Star Wars depict a similar journey, this route would hold true to their common mold. No that I don't love Harry more, I do, but Star wars is SIMILAR. I don't want to get any Harry vs. Wars hate mail here! Just kidding!

Lupin and Pettigrew. There is an itching at the back of my head that tells me that all 4 marauders will have to go. I think this would warrant a chapter, "The Beginning All Over Again." Meaning that Ron, Hermione, and Harry are left to "start again" after the war.


That itching must be contagious because I have been experiencing the same thing as well! :lol: I like your idea about a new group of marauders. It would only make sense. We know that it will have to at least include Ron and Harry. Who would the other two be? Maybe Neville and Seamus? Or as you said, will it just be the trio - Harry, Ron, and Hermione? I don't really know what to think. The storyline at this point has a lot of characters who could develop into main characters or who could just remain secondary figures... Neville is almost certain to become a main character, but others are a bit foggy. Someone best get some tea leaves and pay Trelawney a visit. :rotfl:


- ThruTheVeil

That itching must be contagious because I have been experiencing the same thing as well!

Just make sure there's nothing in your hair. ;)

I honestly haven't a clue who'll die. There are so many good arguments for everyone, I'm just not sure.
But I did read a post once where someone said that statistically, the odds are against the Weasleys. Also: If Snape dies, I will cry. Honestly. :upset:

It's funny this thread is up now because I was just thinking about this today. I never ever ever used to think DD would die, but now I'd say it's 80/20, die/live. Don't think he'll die until bk. 7 though.

I think Dean Thomas will bite the dust in HBP. Possibly one of the big time DEs. Malfoy seems likely, but at the hand of one of his own; Bellatrix comes to mind. I really don't think we'll see a whole lot of deaths in HBP; more foreshadowing really and build-up of tension for the final showdown in bk. 7. Best guess-no more than three in HBP.

I really don't think Hagrid will die at all. In book 7, I'd give old Snape a 50% chance and of course, a Weasley or two. I'd say Charlie or Ginny and Molly.

If Ginny goes, we won't really need another of the six to die, but either way there's a good chance we'll lose one of the six. If one of the trio goes it'll be in bk. 7 (obviously); my first thought is Hermione.

Seems likely we'll lose a major player in the Order. That's one of possibilities for HBP, although, as aforementioned, I don't think we'll see too many in bk. 6.

It'll be hilarious if every one of my predictions is dead wrong. :p
Can't think of anything else right now.

I don't want it to happen,but in a way I do,that harry
dies in book 7, this way if harry does die he will be with
his family at last,and also be at peace. Like
Dumbledore said in book 1 "Death is but the next great
adventure".

Here goes,I seriously believe that dumbledore will die in
book six,and as for JK saying that harry will get another
pet,I think dumbledore will give harry Fawkes,and that
will be harry's new pet.Seems crazy but from the past
books harry has a relationship with fawkes,and who
better to get him than harry.

hi i hope we could be friends

Here goes,I seriously believe that dumbledore will die in
book six,and as for JK saying that harry will get another
pet,I think dumbledore will give harry Fawkes,and that
will be harry's new pet.Seems crazy but from the past
books harry has a relationship with fawkes,and who
better to get him than harry.

That's interesting. I considered that Dumbledore may buy Harry his own phoenix, but I never gave serious thought to Harry inheritting Fawkes if Dumbledore were to die. I like that theory supporting a new pet better than the one that has Hedwig dying - I don't know if Harry could deal with that. He won't take Dumbledore's death well either of course, but there is a bond that has developed between Harry and Hedwig that runs very deep - she has been with him from the beginning and she has never failed him. Her death would probably leave Harry devastated.

I think that Snape will die protecting someone from the trio, probably Harry. I think that Snape is a noble character whose flaws come from his deep wounds. And I think that he will prove that by dying for what is right. I also think that no matter how we feel about Snape now, that in the end, we will all love him.

I also think that some of the Weasley boys are going to die. I think that Percy will have a big role to play because the death of Bill or Charlie will drive him back to his family.

I will be sorely disappointed if Harry, Ron, or Hermione die. That would just flat out suck. To be honest, if any of them die in book 6, I probably won't be able to bring myself to read the 7th.

I think Harry will live on, because the hatred he'll have gotten about the murder of Sirius nd stuff like that will give him the boost that he needs to finish Voldie off.

harry is in danger, but ha can't die, because:
1. the books' names are "Harry Potter and the ..."
2. Harry Potter is the main character
3. Harry's family (exept the Dursleys) is dead (if there is someone else alive please correct me)
4. Harry has to revenge his parents' death and Sirius' indirectly
5. Harry will be helped by Peter Pettigrew - Dumbledore said in PoA that Harry will not regret that he freed Peter Pettigrew. (please correct me if I am wrong - and...HOW will Peter Pettigrew help Harry Potter??? He DID NOT help him in any way or another in GoF or OotP)
6. He has the advanced guard to help him.
7. He is mostly kept in safe places.
8. He is in one way or another more poerful than Voldemort would ever ever be! HOW, I dunno!?! Maybe you can help me out.

I think that Snape will die protecting someone from the trio, probably Harry. I think that Snape is a noble character whose flaws come from his deep wounds. And I think that he will prove that by dying for what is right. I also think that no matter how we feel about Snape now, that in the end, we will all love him.

I also think that some of the Weasley boys are going to die. I think that Percy will have a big role to play because the death of Bill or Charlie will drive him back to his family.

I will be sorely disappointed if Harry, Ron, or Hermione die. That would just flat out suck. To be honest, if any of them die in book 6, I probably won't be able to bring myself to read the 7th.

I unfortunately must agree whole-heartedly with Turtle. Snape, if he dies, will probably have a noble death. He will probably redeem himself in Harry's eye too. Probaly make the kid feel even guiltier than he already does. :upset:
There are just too many Weasleys to have all of them make it. If I had a choice (and it would be a nasty choice to have to make) it would be Percy. But that's only because everyone else is really nice.
The trio had better make throughout ALL the books.

of course, Percy is involved in a lot in the Ministry of Magic and the Department of Mysteries maybe - but I think Fred and George are the most exposed ones:
1. They have enemies like Umbridge at the Ministry.
2. Voldemort could try to attack them as they are Harry's friends and he also wanted to kill Arthur Weasley (their father)
3. They are exposed in Diagon Alley!

It seems to me that if we are to guess who is going to kick it, we need to look at how their deaths would benifit the plot.

For example:

Luna - caught in crossfire between Harry and LV, as a kind of "Luna eclipse" (yeah I know,bad joke!). I can see her and Harry getting closer (not necessarily romantic), as they have a commonality in sharing the death experiences. She's important enough to have an effect, but not so important that she'd ruin the storyline - yet

Dumbledore - at some stage Harry needs to make some choices, which up until now have been seriously guided by D. His death would be dramatic, heartwrenching and would force Harry into a greater leadership role/ put D's hints and advice into practice.

Ron or Hermionie. Just can't see it. They are both vehicles in the series, showing points of view or introducing important info via books etc. If either was to pass on, it couldn't be until book seven, but still highly unlikely. The trio will be friends for life.

Lucius's death could be a turning point for Draco - if he doesn't twist the event to have another reason to hate Harry. Speaking of Draco, does anyone else think there will be a show down between him and Charlie (the dragon keeper verse the dragon?)

The Hedgwig idea is a good one, especially if an important message is being delivered at the time, however didn't D hint at more reliable methods of communication between the Order?

Hagrid - he's going to be needed. Gawp still has a role to play yet, me thinks, and Hagrid will be needed to "convert" him.

Lupin - I can see a show down between him and Peter, but I think Lupin will win it.

Neville- too much of a transformation for him not to be important in 6 + 7

I have a feeling that Dumbledore will die either at the end of book6 or half way through book 7 although I'm leaning strongly to him dying in book 7. I feel that DD is going to spend much of year 6 teaching Harry all the advance magic he needs to know to prepare for the final confrontation with Voldemort. But at the end of 6 Harry is still going to be an underage wizard who can't use magic outside school and he wouldn't be able to apparate. Harry cannot be the leader of the order yet. I believe DD will somehow be killed in the middle of book7 and that will thrust Harry into the role of the leader and also build up to the climax of Harry's fight with Voldemort.

Contiuing on...

Snape is a safe while he is useful to both sides. There has been discussion about if he was/wasn't at the graveyard, and I'm hanging to find out if he is still playing double agent. He would be one that LV would be on the hunt for if suspected as a traitor, unless Snape could be manipulated by Lv planting misinformation.

Any of D's Army that arent Harry, Ron or Hermione could go, if only to remind the students that they aren't playing anymore.

I could keep going, but I want to get back to reading other people's opinions!

JK had better not kill off Fred and George either! i will cry. :upset: ANyway, i agree with what namy of you said about Snape dying a noble death. and will someone help me on this?- what is with the door on JK's site? and all the bugs? i clicked a spider, and it disappeared. then about two seconds ago, some giant bug came flying across the screen, tipping the pen cup over. could someone tell me what the bugs do and what the door does?

Sorry this is off topic, but i was wondering...

:upset: :upset: I :sad: really :sad: hope :sad: Ginny :sad: doesn't :sad: die :upset: :upset:

That would be too tragic for my poor little heart...

i agree, but i think she'll be safe. im more worried about the rest of them, (i.e. fred, george, charlie, bill, etc.) theyre really not central to the plot, so it wont drastically affect the storyline and readers the way it would if she killed off Ron :upset: or Hermione.

I see snape as more of like... a triple agent. It would be interesting if he was pretending to be voldemorts double agent when really spying on voldy :)

i kinda start to like snape after what he did in every book, by saving Harry's life in each of the 5 books (or helping him)

this sounds farfetched but perhaps luna lovegod is LV's daughter? i know i know, why would the dark lord, a person who has never known and never will know love stop and get it on for a kid. well maybe just for the fact that he could use her to bring himself back in case something happened. think about it, she's the ONLY person who came out of the MoM unscathed, perfectly fine. he also might be using her to befriend harry and find out his weaknesses. it all fits somewhere, you'd have to re-read OotP to get a good picture. she asks a lot of questions and seems to want to be around harry a lot. unless she and harry will end up together but i figured it be her and neville. eh well that's my thoughts and as for who will die.....

Good Guys:
Dumbledore- protecting harry.... by Lord Voldemort
Mrs. Weasley-protection harry... by DE
Neville-trying to prove himself... by Beatrix
Lupin-fighting in the war... by Wormtail
Random Order Members- fighting in the war... by DEs
Harry- fighting Lord Voldemort... well I think that Harry and Voldemort are connected and once one is destroyed, the other will be also.
Hogwarts Students- umm I just think they Joe will do this to show how death affects everyone around it.

Neutral:
Snape... I really don't know how he will die or by whom, but I believe that whether he is good or bad he will develop a strong relationship with Harry. He actually already has one, though he doesn't know it. But he will ultimately die in the end.

Bad Guys:
Lord Voldemort- fighting Harry Potter... same as with Harry
Lucius Malfoy- fighting Dumbledore... by DD
Luna Lovegod- fighting in the war(Assuming she is LV's daughter. I assume that she has feelings for Neville which leads me to believe that she will kill Beatrix after Neville is killed)
Death Eaters- fighting in the war.. by OotP
Wormtail- fightig in the war... by Lupin

Also some other nobody characters will die. By the way, does anyone know what happened to Rita Skeeter? lol

Good Guys:
Dumbledore- protecting harry.... by Lord Voldemort
Mrs. Weasley-protection harry... by DE
Neville-trying to prove himself... by Beatrix
Lupin-fighting in the war... by Wormtail
Random Order Members- fighting in the war... by DEs
Harry- fighting Lord Voldemort... well I think that Harry and Voldemort are connected and once one is destroyed, the other will be also.
Hogwarts Students- umm I just think they Joe will do this to show how death affects everyone around it.

Neutral:
Snape... I really don't know how he will die or by whom, but I believe that whether he is good or bad he will develop a strong relationship with Harry. He actually already has one, though he doesn't know it. But he will ultimately die in the end.

Bad Guys:
Lord Voldemort- fighting Harry Potter... same as with Harry
Lucius Malfoy- fighting Dumbledore... by DD
Luna Lovegod- fighting in the war(Assuming she is LV's daughter. I assume that she has feelings for Neville which leads me to believe that she will kill Beatrix after Neville is killed)
Death Eaters- fighting in the war.. by OotP
Wormtail- fightig in the war... by Lupin

Also some other nobody characters will die. By the way, does anyone know what happened to Rita Skeeter? lol

lol, nobody characters, like Ron and Hermione??? You didn't say anything about them, you know :p . And what do you mean by: "by DD", "by DE", "by Lupin", what's the "by" and what is "DE", "DD"??? Sorry for the Offtopic but it would help me if I know these! :angel:

Going with the marauders first:
I have seen other people mention that Pettigrew will die, followed by Lupin. This is also supported by a (possibly obscure) reversal, as we all know Rowling loves (Erised, anyone?).
The marauders are always placed as Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs.
Flip them.
Prongs, Padfoot, Wormtail, and Moony.
Prongs died, then Padfoot. Wormtail is next, and, finally, Moony. Now, whether Moony dies of natural causes or not is debatable, but I also like the theory that I've read in this thread that Lupin may die because of wounds from Wormtail's silver hand. It seems very Rowling-esque.

Harry:
I believe wholeheartedly that Harry will die. I have many reasons, including the fact that Rowling doesn't want to write any more than seven Harry Potter books. Another:
Trelawney's predictions tend to come true, even if it is not immediate.
The third book is especially good for this (and I'll let you look at those examples), but in the fifth (which I am currently reading again), Trelawny predicts that Umbridge will be in great danger while Umbridge is inspecting Trelawney's class. Umbridge, when she goes into the Forbidden Forest, then becomes in great danger. She is taken away by the centaurs.
Now... I'm sure this wasn't picked up by at least a few people, but I won't say I'm the first to notice that, because I'm sure there are people more intelligent than me who analyze the HP books way more than i do in my mediocricy. But... am I the first in this thread to mention that?
So if Trelawny was correct about such an offhand comment, is she also right in saying that Harry will die an early death? I think so.

Harry:
I believe wholeheartedly that Harry will die. I have many reasons, including the fact that Rowling doesn't want to write any more than seven Harry Potter books. Another:
Trelawney's predictions tend to come true, even if it is not immediate.

Your second point I agree with- I've discussed this in other threads. I have to disagree with your first point, though. Suppose JKR says she is going to write another HP book. Obviously that would mean Harry lives, thus Voldemort would die. She would be revealing the end of book 7. She has to keep that a mystery so the ending won't be predictable.

Anyway, as much as I hate to say it :upset: , I think there is a large possibility that Harry will die- he'll be so exausted from fighting and losing his closest friends/family that I think it'll come to the point of what is the point of living? Harry's had a pretty stressful life, and once he gets over the selfishness that he had in OoTP, he might feel that he's served his purpose.

I think it's finally time for me to post in this thread. Personally, I think that Harry will defeat Voldemort -- but die. I also think that there will be a student or teacher death, but I'm not sure too. I favour the theory that either all of the Marauders will die, or Lupin will be the only remaining one by the end of book seven.

I posted this in the LT, but I was looking at the names last night, and Hermione was the daughter of Helen. She fell in love with 2 men, and one was killed by a snake

I'm completely lost. Are you guys WANTING Harry to die? Or are you just preparing for the worst? Afer all the effort JKR put into creating Harry and his multi-dimentional personality, it would be murder for her just to kill him.
No. I believe Harry will live!!

Do all of Trelawney's predictions really tend to come true? I mean McGonagall seems thoroughly frustrated with Trelawney because she always seems to be predicting the demise of students. If there were any truth to her continued predictions, it seems like the staff would pick up on it.

Also, didn't Dumbledore say that she had only made two accurate predications anyway: The one about Harry and LV having to kill the other, and the one about Pettigrew returning to LV's service?

Seems like he would know if she was reliable.

As much as it pains to me to say this, I think Harry (amongst other characters) will die at the end of the series. It seems to make sense, as Harry will be re-united with his parents and Sirius - his real family.
It would also give the series closure, and would probably result in a ...bitter-sweet ending (for lack of a better phrase!) as of course Voldemort will be dead as dodo of course and thus, the wizarding world will be safe, even though Harry would be a martyr....I trust that JK would write Harry's death tastefully so i'm not too worried to be honest- after all, she's assured us time and time again that there will not be an 8th book and I feel Harry's death (as tragic as it would be) would give the series closure, I just feel like it would be a suitable ending, and I really can't see Harry living out the series :upset:

but how will she end the series then if harry dies? with him dying and his last thoughts?? interesting but pretty dumb way to end a book. JK will have people harassing her wondering what happened to the rest of the characters and what they felt about harry's death. i think if she wants him to die, she'll have to write an epilogue. and interesting point whoever it was (sorry, i forget things) who said that luna might be voldemorts daughter. why, though, besides the obvious spying and things? and she is younger than harry, so when harry defeated voldemort he was only spirit of a sort. he didnt have a body, so he couldnt enable a woman to concieve his child. but that was interesting anyway.

I also have an interesting conncection to make here about Luna. for those of you who have read Farenheit 451 , you know who Clarisse is and that she always brings wind and brightness and good things, and she is symbolic of knowledge and change. SHe also is described with a face shining like the moon, or something to that effect. Luna =moon. And i always pictured Luna as being kind of surrounded with a invisible aura of weirdness, but normalcy. Anyway, Maybe Luna will help someone see a different point of view like Clarisse did with Montag, when she helped him to see that books are not evil. anyone else see my logic.

I highly highly doubt Harry will die. While the older readers might be able to handle it, these are children's books after all. I really can't envision these books forcing its readers, esp. the younger ones, to fall in love with Harry only to kill him off. Maybe its unexpected, but I'm sure theres better ways to make a creative ending. She hasn't failed thus far!

My guess is Dumbledore will die in book 7. It just seems the most climactic way for it to go. If he dies in book 6, I think book 7 will lack the same Harry Potter "tone". Maybe thats just me.

any takers on my Luna theory??
and if harry dies in book 6, she would have to call the books ridiculous names like LUna Lovegood (no offense to you LUna fans) and the Discovery of the previously thought extinct Crumple-HOrned Snorcack. :rotfl: Really, do you think that she'll kill him off in book 6? there would be no point in writing anymore Harry Potter books anymore.

Pettigrew owes Harry some big deal, correct? Could that debt be repaid w/his life?

I think Dumbledore has a good chance of dying. And the reason I think that is, and sorry for the analogy, but he's like Gandalf and Obi-Wan. I think he needs to die so that Harry can do what he needs to do. I think I've read something like this in editorials and posts, and I agree.

Not that I want Lupin to die, but I think that Pettigrew's hand and Lupin's "condition" are not a coincidence either. And perhaps, like Dumbledore, Lupin and Pettigrew have to go because Harry needs to cut his ties with his past and face the future against Voldemort. But, then again, there is that life debt thing that Pettigrew has so . . .

I don't want to think about any of the Weasley's dying. It would break my heart. I think maybe Lucius will die, but not Draco. I don't see Hagrid or McGonnagall (did I spell that right, it's a bit of a tongue twister), or Snape eating it, although maybe some of the "lesser" members of the Order.

Harry dying: GOD I HOPE NOT! I mean, it's possible and it would be very Shakespearean (again, sorry if I spelled it wrong!). But although the books have been getting a bit more mature, I think they are still read by young people and I don't know if she would go that far. Just because she doesn't want to write past Book 7 doesn't mean that Harry will die. It could mean that she's just one of those people who don't want to be part of a Harry Potter Empire that looks like the Star Wars Empire. She's already richer than the Queen of England, she doesn't need to go further and maybe she feels it would cheapen the whole thing.

Personally, I think she should because it's such a fascinating world and people would be so interested (as you can tell by the fanfiction and all the websites!).

Anyway, I don't know if Harry will die, but I hope not. Because then I really will cry, like I cried when Cedric died (not because I necessarily liked him, but because it was so sad because he was a good person and didn't deserve it, and it was sad for Harry to have to deal with that). I didn't cry when Sirius died. I liked him, but . . .

Anyway, I guess I gave another 2 Knuts today.

Are you guys WANTING Harry to die? Or are you just preparing for the worst?
I don't want Harry to die, but I'm not exactly preparing. I just think that it's possible, that's all.

Something which I picked up on when listening to a JK interview:
Q- Can you imagine Harry ever growing up?
A- Well, I know what's going to happen to Harry in bookseven... but I'm not going to tell you.

(Note: Interview is from 1999)
I find this rather intriguing. Instead of answering "Yes, I can imagine him as an adult" or "No, I can't imagine him as an adult" she responds by referring to the final book, where he'll only be 17, and she refers to something happening... Interesting stuff.

Any thoughts on this?

Harry CAN NOT die in HBP because what will the books be called, "Ron Weasley and the Prophecey of Light"? I don't think so!

Originally Posted by PandaPrincess
Harry CAN NOT die in HBP because what will the books be called, "Ron Weasley and the Prophecey of Light"? I don't think so!
Er... He could die in book seven...

DE is Death Eaters
DD is Dumbledore

and I didn't say anything about Ron and Hermoine because I don't think either will die, lol.

I heard a rumor about Molly Weasley dying in book 6. And one about Percy too!
I don't want Harry to die but I think he will in book 7 (T.T)
Really don't know!

There is canon for several character deaths. Ron has several things going against him. After the OWL in divination he states he does not care if the tea leaves say..."die ron die..." When Ron jokes about something it tends to come true. There was also the Veil. HArry ask Sirius is that you when he heard voices then ask Ron is that you...These 2 are serious clues that point to his death.

I also think Dumbledore will die as well but in book 7. If one uses an alchemal formula to classic English literature, the master will have to pass on the role to his trainee, HArry. For Harry to properly ascend to his role calssically DD will need to pass on. Book 6 and 7 is one follows alchemy should be the white stage or purification stage. The red stage or ascension of the hero is usually quick and at the very end.

I agree that Molly is at high risk to die as her death would throught he weasleys into turmoil. I think the biggest role of this may be on Ron. Ron has been shown to have a great deal of jealousness. The characterization has been too firmly established for it to not be important. I think it will lead ultimately to his death as well as I said above. :sad:

I do not think that Harry Hermonie will die. I think their friendship or more is going to be the key to the power Voldmort knows not that leads to his defeat....

I highly highly doubt Harry will die. While the older readers might be able to handle it, these are children's books after all. I really can't envision these books forcing its readers, esp. the younger ones, to fall in love with Harry only to kill him off. Maybe its unexpected, but I'm sure theres better ways to make a creative ending. She hasn't failed thus far!

Well if you consider that the books started on a dark note- Lily and James dead and Harry an orphan.
Throughout the series Harry has been no stranger to death (Cedric and Sirius as well as many close shaves) I don't believe that JKR would betray the story by having a happy ending where Harry walks off into the sunset hand in hand with Ron and Hermione because it's a childrens book. I'm not saying a happy ending is impossible but 'Harry Potter', let's face it, is not a happy story, the poor lad has had some homicidal, power-hungry maniac, hellbent on destroying him after him his whole life.
And besides, like i said before, he'd be with his parents and Sirius! I'm sure JKR would write his death (if it were to happen) in a sensitive way, and hey, the kids would get over it, it's more likely to be us crying our eyes out!

I know many of you have already said this, but I'm too lazy to read each post.

Harry will probably defeat Voldemort with Dumbledore's help. However, Albus will not make it out alive, sort if like a Gandalf thing in LOTR. Dumbledore has been almost like a grandfather to Harry, protecting him and all. So it would lead to a sad but happy ending, as Harry has to make it on his own, though Dumbledore, Sirius, James, and Lilly will always 'be' with Harry. I hope he does not die, Albus was such a sweet,
like-able character.

Next, maybe Lupin will also die, as he was his mentor, and after all he has taught him, it will help Harry make it on his own. Wow, this is sad writing this. I don't want anyone to die, or the series to end, but it has to happen. Anyway, back to predicting the furure.

A Weasley's, possibly Ron's, life shall come to a sad, hero like close (maybe sacrifice), as they try to help Harry in the final battle. I think Hermoine will make it through, however.

Nevilles grandmother may die, although it may not have a big affect on the plot. I'm so glad I am not JK. She has so much pressure to make the best ending to one of the greatest series of all time. She may take a while to write the last book. The release date I'll bet will be late spring 2008 or winter of 2008. If not (this is kind of pushing it), it may hit shelves as late as summer 2009. These are all guesses by the way.

Whoo, my hands hurt.

I don't think there's any chance that JKR will kill of Harry. The entire series was/is created around him, this is HIS series - I don't think there's any way he's going to die. However, I think any other characters are fair game. Like everyone else says, I hope it's not someone truly big (Ron, Hermione, etc.) but it's likely to happen. My guess is that Dumbledore is going to die sometime between now and the end of book 7. As much as I love the guy, he's getting old.

JKR has already said that Harry will survive book 6 and 7. I don't think Hermione or Ron will die they are just too important. For all we know, Cho could commit suicide. I mean, she's always crying. I don't think that will happen but it's a possibility.(jk)
The secret door on JKR's website is going to open twice more. One of those times it will probably say who will die.

but how will she end the series then if harry dies? with him dying and his last thoughts?? interesting but pretty dumb way to end a book.

Your post got me thinking- originally I believed Harry would die after defeating Voldemort, as he's exausted and his purpose in life is over. However, I think I've read a couple times that JKR has had the last chapter in book 7 finished for several years. And usually the last chapter (in accordance with books 1-5) tie the book together after the climax finishes 1 or 2 chapter before. Since the books are entirely in Harry's perspective (except book 1 chapter 1 and his visions), how could the last chapter be anything else? If he did die, I think there would have to be an extensive epilogue to finish the story, which would turn out to be just like a final chapter only under a different title- kinda cheesy.

So now that I think about it, I think Harry will survive (yay!).

I think Harry will survive too, and I certainly hope so. Recently, the whole perspective thing came into my consideration that if Herry did ie, then the story would shift perspective and it would make literal sense if he died. Of course, JKR can and will do whatever she pleases, but I think she just doesn't want to giva away the ending to a series that she's devoted so much time too. Also, she probably can't even say who will survive the series because of contractual obligation so she probably has to make it sound as though everyone is just as likely or unlikely to die in the series, Harry included.

Why would Harry die? That makes no sense because if he died, there would be no series.

I don't think Snape can die in Book 6. When asked about a "redemptive pattern" with Snape, the main part of JKR's response was "...I'm slightly stunned that you've said that and you'll find out why I'm so stunned if you read Book 7." (From The Connection, 1999, quoted by the Leaky Cauldron.) That would suggest Snape will survive at least till the beginning of Book 7, because it would be a bit hard to examine his redemptive pattern if he's already dead-- it does tend to bring a sense of finality. ;) I think he's safe for now, thankfully. Snape is my favorite character, and I really, really want him to live. His death is the one I would definitely take the hardest. I'm rather nervous for him in Book 7, but basically hopeful. Don't die, Snape!

This is rather paranoid, but I'm concerned about Neville, and have been since last night. I'm rereading OotP, and on page 462 of the American hard cover edition there is a paragraph of two sentences: "Neville snuffled in his sleep. An owl hooted somewhere out in the night." That's the whole paragraph. Traditionally, the call of the owl is a death omen, particularly an owl that speaks the name of a person. The owl doesn't say Neville's name (or we might as well plan the memorial service,) but it is clearly associated with him and no one else. Additionally, the word "snuffled" concerns me because it sounds so much like "snuffed," i.e. died, and also reminds me of the name Snuffles, the alias of someone who died later in the book. I had hoped for a long and illustrious career for Neville as a Hogwarts Herbology professor, but I'm now a bit concerned about the poor little guy.

I'm not sure there's any mathematical possibility of all the Weasleys surviving, but on the positive side, it's equally as mathematically unlikely they'll all die. That's a comforting thought. :)

I can't really imagine Harry dying because it seems a little melodramatic, but we shall see, I guess.

Snape: Simon Cowell as a wizard with longer hair.

Yes sadly I think Dumbledore will get killed in the end of the sixth book, poor guy. I'm hoping Ron won't get killed but that may happen maybe even Chao since she's his cough, cough girlfriend cough. Hagrid is a possibility too, any one's possible, any one who is close to Harry any ways. My major guess is Ron he is Harry's best friend, could betray him too. I hope not though...

Sorry to comment here, I just thought this was a good post.

I don't think Snape can die in Book 6. When asked about a "redemptive pattern" with Snape, the main part of JKR's response was "...I'm slightly stunned that you've said that and you'll find out why I'm so stunned if you read Book 7." (From The Connection, 1999, quoted by the Leaky Cauldron.) That would suggest Snape will survive at least till the beginning of Book 7, because it would be a bit hard to examine his redemptive pattern if he's already dead-- it does tend to bring a sense of finality. ;) I think he's safe for now, thankfully. Snape is my favorite character, and I really, really want him to live. His death is the one I would definitely take the hardest. I'm rather nervous for him in Book 7, but basically hopeful. Don't die, Snape!

Ha! I like the Snape love. Yes it would seem that Mr. Snape's redemptive pattern would put him in danger, especially as he is the Order representative who has to actually deal with Voldemort and other deatheaters.

This is rather paranoid, but I'm concerned about Neville, and have been since last night. I'm rereading OotP, and on page 462 of the American hard cover edition there is a paragraph of two sentences: "Neville snuffled in his sleep. An owl hooted somewhere out in the night." That's the whole paragraph. Traditionally, the call of the owl is a death omen, particularly an owl that speaks the name of a person. The owl doesn't say Neville's name (or we might as well plan the memorial service,) but it is clearly associated with him and no one else. Additionally, the word "snuffled" concerns me because it sounds so much like "snuffed," i.e. died, and also reminds me of the name Snuffles, the alias of someone who died later in the book. I had hoped for a long and illustrious career for Neville as a Hogwarts Herbology professor, but I'm now a bit concerned about the poor little guy.

Great catch on this, I came across the Owls being death omens while I was researching cats. I sure hope Nevile does not die, he is such a great guy and he just now seems to be coming into his own, since he discovered the people responsible for what happenned to his parents broke out of azkaban. But this also might put him into danger as his actions in following Harry into the Department of Mysteries did. He might do something else similar to this in trying to avenge them and get caught unawares.

I'm not sure there's any mathematical possibility of all the Weasleys surviving, but on the positive side, it's equally as mathematically unlikely they'll all die. That's a comforting thought. :)

I can't really imagine Harry dying because it seems a little melodramatic, but we shall see, I guess.

JK has been hinting to us in many interviews that Harry might not even survive but I hope it's not true. If anyone deserves a chance to rest and relax in a post-Voldemort world it would be him.

As for all the Weasley coming out unscathed, I think this is something that is much harder as you have pointed out. One of the characters that might go I belive for some reason might be Molly. But back to your comment on redemptive patterns another person who might put himself in danger might be Percy if he tries to make up for what he made his family go throug when he refused to believ them and followed the Ministry blindly.

Another theory I have is that Ginny might put herself in a similar position as I see alot of signs that point to the possibility of her turning dark.


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JK had better not kill off Fred and George either! i will cry. :upset: ANyway, i agree with what namy of you said about Snape dying a noble death. and will someone help me on this?- what is with the door on JK's site? and all the bugs? i clicked a spider, and it disappeared. then about two seconds ago, some giant bug came flying across the screen, tipping the pen cup over. could someone tell me what the bugs do and what the door does?

Sorry this is off topic, but i was wondering...

USe the search to look up JKR's official site. The key to your missing spider is hidden in the thread. Really helpful, that search button... :p

After reading the posts - who knows?(Jo does!) But I still think we need to look at what the death of any charcter could do for the plot (see my earlier posts). Fred and George would be sadly missed, as would any of the Weasley's. And as much as they aren't dumb by any means, they are sitting ducks in Diagon Alley. I hadn't thought of that. :tu:

There is canon for several character deaths. Ron has several things going against him. After the OWL in divination he states he does not care if the tea leaves say..."die ron die..." When Ron jokes about something it tends to come true. There was also the Veil. HArry ask Sirius is that you when he heard voices then ask Ron is that you...These 2 are serious clues that point to his death.

But Ron didn't joke about himself dying, he basically just said that, even if there was a death omen in his cup, he's trashing it. -- And Harry supposidly had the Grim- he's alive. and Harry didn't hear Ron's voice behind the veil- he heard voices and asked his friends if it was them- (I'm not so sure Harry wanted to believe that there really were voices beyond the veil)
but I really don't think Ron will die because of this quote....
It's great to hear feedback from the kids. Mostly they are really worried about Ron. As if I'm going to kill Harry's best friend.
from:http://www.time.com/time/pacific/magazine/20001030/potter.html

i agree with some of the other comments that i was able to read--one of the weasley brothers will die in the sixth book, and although i seriously doubt it, there may be a slim possibility that harry may die (and i do mean a slim possiblility because i do not agree with that theory). There is no way that harry can die in the sixth book at all.

I perdict that Percy Weasley will die in a very redemptive way, i.e. while protecting the Order or fighting against Voldemort. My reasoning is this-
JK made him into a jerk in book five but he is still a Weasley and a gryffindor and I think she will give him a very good way to prove that he isn't the schmuck we all thought he was. What better way than to die for the cause?

also, killing off Percy will be dramatic and have a big impact on the main character while still leaving the vital three alive and well- because in my opinion Harry Ron and Hermione will all live till the end of the series

Selfishly, I'd be alright with having Percy die a heroic death so Snape doesn't have to (how many people can die heroically in one book before it's over the top, after all...)

My goodness, I'm horrible, aren't I? But I do like that theory... I could definitely see Percy dying, but hopefully he'll be reconciled with his family first so they're not left with any guilt.

Would have to say someone close to Harry, either Hagrid, Hermione, Ron, Remus, or Dumbledore. Probably more than 1 person will die, to make Harry more driven to kill Voldemort, though ol-Voldie probably won't kill any of those people outside of Dumbledore by his own hand.

Firstly, I am afraid that Dumbledore will die. I think it will become necessary for Harry to face LV alone.
Secondly, I think Ron may die. It might be what is needed towards the end to push Harry over the edge.
Thirdly, I am afraid Lupin might die...it's just too suspicious that Pettigrew has a "silver" hand...
Fourthly, and most depressing, I am afraid Harry may die at the end. JKR has said in interviews something to the effect of "why do you assume Harry will live" and the prophecy is a little sketchy. it could mean that one has to kill the other, or it could mean that both have to die.
I really hope none of them die!!

i think dumbledore will die, and then harry will "officially" be the greatest wizard alive.

i think hagrid will survive, unless hes protecting dumbledore by just blockign him...it sounds like something hagrid would do.

i think ron might be killed off...i REALLY hope not though

but i mean, not EVERYONE will die, there have to be some people left at the end. so combined, if everyone thinks that voldy, harry, ron, hermione, dumbledore, draco, and dobby will all die....we really dont have many people left. so someone has to make it through!

I wouldn't take JKR's hinting about Harry's possible death too seriously. She can't exactly say, "Yeah, Harry'll be fine!" even if she knows he will, because it would ruin the tension of the next two books if we knew for sure. I wouldn't rule Harry's death out, but personally I don't think it's that likely even if JKR is being coy about it-- she wants to preserve the mystery and danger, naturally! :)

I think that Dumbledore or Hagrid will die properly in book 7 while trying to protect Harry.

I also think that wormtail will die to save harry because he is indebted to harry for saving his life at the end of PoA and Dumbledore said that this was a strong magical bond so i think that this will play a role in the coming books.

I don't think she would kill of Lupin as harry would be left alone with none of his parents friends but then you never know
1 of the Weasleys i think will also die, although i don't think it will be Ron as i don't think harry could cope with that loss on top of everything else

Anyway those are my thoughts

i really dont think it will be someone harry is close to.. like the weaslys or hermione and if dumbledore does die i dont think it will be till the very end. harry's lost so many people he cares about that it just wouldnt be far.

I recently stumbled upon an instance where JKR is possibly foreshadowing Harry or Ron's Death. At one point in PS/SS, Dumbledore says that "to the well organized mind, death is but the next great adventure", or something to that extent. And at one point after the midnight duel, it says that Harry and Ron considered the previous night's events to be a good adventure and were eager to have another. I know that it is a stretch, but that's what fiction is in a nut shell, right? Well, what do you think?

and yes, they are cute i suppose. although those clothes...

As bad as I dread this, I sort of think Dumbledore just HAVE TO die. He need to die for Harry to face Voldemort alone. But I don't think that will happen before book 7...
I don't think the remaining Marauders will survive, either. I just get the feeling that they won't live to see the ending. Hopefully Wormtail died to pay his debt to Harry. And Lupin, I hate to see him dying, but seeing him as the only remaining Marauder(who haven't betrayed the good side, anyway) is even more disturbing. That is just too cruel. :upset:
I seriously doubt that Ron will die, though;JKR joke to much about his death for this to really happen.I was convinced that Ron will be killed off (I hate to see it, though) until I read the fifth book. I mean, think about it, Rowling don't just let her character say "die, ***,die", and then in future book you find out they really end up dying. Her clue is more subtle than that!(Look at Sirius, for example :sad: )

Blakeney Green: I totally agree with you! This is just like what I said about Ron. JKR dropped way to much clue about Harry and Ron dying for this to really happen. It's just not her style. She can't just tell readers they won't die, either. It will ruin those wonderful discussions and theories, and I won't thanks her for that. :eyebrows:

Omg...I have so many ideas about this topic and a lot of them are kinda conflicting. Here we go:
1. The trio: I think that Ron and Hermione will live to pass along the tale of their best friend, Harry Potter. However, I think that Harry will die. As much as I hate that idea, his death seems inevitable for a few reasons: he is linked to Voldemort by his scar, just as the Death Eaters are linked to Voldemort by their Dark Marks; he must sacrifice himself to purge the world of evil(Voldemort)-I am not Christian, but this subtle relation to the Biblical myth of Christ's martyrdom seems to apply; it would be too unreal for a 17-year-old to thwart a seasoned, pure evil Dark Lord for a seventh time.
The only reason I can think of that would make JKR let Harry live is the fact that, while I don't believe that this book is a children's book, it is targeted mainly towards children, and killing off the main character would not sit too well with all the ten-year-olds who read the series.
2. The Hogwarts Staff: Dumbledore-I think he will live. He has, so far throughout the series, been almost omnipresent, almost omniscient, and almost omnipotent, making him an "almost-God." I think he will live on throughout the entire series.
McGonagall: I think she will die. I don't have firm, solid reasoning for this assertion, just a gut feeling. It might be the idea of unfinished business in two ways. I think that McGonagall has suffered pain and loss, making her the stern and foreboding but at the same time protective and caring woman she is. She has to reunite with her lost loved ones. Another form of unfinished business is the way in which an attempt was made on her life, but she was not killed.
Snape: He's going to die. There are some compelling reasons why: a) He is a traitor. When war time comes around, his true colors will be revealed to Voldemort. b) He owes it to Dumbledore and to Harry. c) He is a mystery. His childhood made him a hardened, bitter person. I also think that Snape is the Half-Blood Prince because his bad childhood parallels that of the two more obvious choices for the Half-Blood Prince: Harry and Voldemort. Also, his bloodlines are not mentioned to be pure(are they?) and Voldemort might have taken him on as a Death Eater, but treated him inferiorly because he was half-blooded...but I digress.
Hagrid: Going to die. Sacrifice himself for Dumbledore. We knew that as soon as we saw him first on the little island with his pink umbrella. never insult albus dumbledore in my presence. He's already proved his willingness to do whatever it takes for Dumbledore.
I don't think the other professors are overly important, but you never know.
3. Death Eaters: Bellatrix wrote herself a Death Wish when she "killed" Sirius.
Lucius - too much power and money and "status" to actually get involved with the war.
Voldemort: He's dead.
The remaining Marauders: I agree with the theory that Peter and Remus will face off, and both will die. That might even be as soon as the sixth book.
Weasleys: There are gonna be a couple of Weasley deaths. Picturing Molly, Fred, George, or Charlie dead hurts my soul. *melodramatic*
I think that is about it.

I see Harry surviving the series. The character that I can see dying in the end is Hagrid, trying to save either Harry or Dumbledore.

I didn't read the other 4 pages so sorry if this is mentioned.
I for one think it's going to be someone in the DA league. There going to be training more and more in the next book and at some point go against the Death Eaters and thats when we will loose someone. No I do not think its any of the trio or the second trio(Ne, LU or G) but one of the DA members is going to be lost. It will be someone who is close to Harry but not emotionally, more like a friendship you have with classmates only and thats the only time you hang out. There still close, you dont want anything to happen to them but if it did, it would still hurt. Harry, being the wawy he is, would also blame himself for not training them well enough. (I also see another side story with that and parents being mad that a student(Harry) who has given their children false hope of defending themselves against Death Eaters.)

My bet for who’s going to die in Book 6: Vernon Dursley. Jo has already said that a character without magic will suddenly discover powers late in life, under desparate circumstances. It’s a logical assumption that this person is Petunia. I could be way off here, but it just feels right. Now, what would be so dire that Petunia would make with the magic? My guess is that Death Eaters will attack the Dursleys. Harry will either be incapacitated in the fight, or maybe he isn’t even there (he could be seeing it in Voldy-vision, like the attack on Mr. Weasley). Now, this is just speculation, but I think they’d go for Vernon first, and I don’t think that would be enough to trigger Petunia’s magic, cynical as that may seem. I think they’ll finish off Vernon and go for Dudley, and that’s when Petunia will suddenly discover mighty mother-magic.

I like this theory for a couple of reasons, one being that I just hate Vernon. The other thing, though, is that this death would have a big impact on Harry without being as traumatic as, say, DD dying. After all, Harry might hate Vernon, but they still lived together for eleven years and a death like that would lead to a lot of confusion and anger.

My bet for who’s going to die in Book 6: Vernon Dursley. Jo has already said that a character without magic will suddenly discover powers late in life, under desparate circumstances. It’s a logical assumption that this person is Petunia. I could be way off here, but it just feels right. Now, what would be so dire that Petunia would make with the magic? My guess is that Death Eaters will attack the Dursleys. Harry will either be incapacitated in the fight, or maybe he isn’t even there (he could be seeing it in Voldy-vision, like the attack on Mr. Weasley). Now, this is just speculation, but I think they’d go for Vernon first, and I don’t think that would be enough to trigger Petunia’s magic, cynical as that may seem. I think they’ll finish off Vernon and go for Dudley, and that’s when Petunia will suddenly discover mighty mother-magic.

I like this theory for a couple of reasons, one being that I just hate Vernon. The other thing, though, is that this death would have a big impact on Harry without being as traumatic as, say, DD dying. After all, Harry might hate Vernon, but they still lived together for eleven years and a death like that would lead to a lot of confusion and anger.


Good idea. If Vernon died, I wouldn't cry, and I doubt Harry will. I mean he might feel a little bit sad but not as sad as when Sirius died.
I always thought that it would be someone other than the Dursleys who discovered magic in themselves... well, don't know. If Petunia was magical, she'd discover it a long time ago, right? And that magical quill that writes down what new wizard is born would have written it down a long time ago...
hm..

I want to agree with everyone who has said that Dumbledore is going to die. There have been a few instances in Dumbledore's office when Harry finally realizes how old and tired Dumbledore looks. He had always seen him as this semi-god figure who would always be there to protect harry. However, Harry is beginning to realize that Dumbledore will not always be there to save him. I think it is sad but necessary that Harry finally prove himself and stand up to lord Voldemort on his own, through the death of Dumbledore. I dont know if it will happen in the sixth book, so Harry will have time to develop his independence in the last book, or in the 7th, but I have full confidence that Dumbledore will die.
Also, I honestly don't think that JK would kill off Harry. I know that would be the oh-so perfect dramatic ending for many, but Harry will have gone through hell for not only his years at hogwarts, but for 11 years before hogwarts with the dursleys. JK, please give him some dwindling hope of happiness. Please. With the certain death of Voldemort, Harry will finally be secure in the knowledge that no one is planning his death, and after the shock of having murdered someone, he can finally move on and have a happy life. Though many would be satisfied with the dramatic double death of Voldemort and Harry, I would be severely dissapointed in JKR if she centered her novels around hope for a unique boy's happiness, and ended the series with his destruction. Anyways, those are my two cents. Hope you all agree with me...

I too have a bad feeling about Dumbledore dying. He's an old wizard and he's the protector of Harry. I don't want him to die by DEs though. I want him to have an spetacular death like Gandalf the Grey.

I think that Wormtail is going to die. He will betray his master at the last minute or he will die by repaying Harry his life debt.

I have a bad feeling Remus is going to die fighting. I hope not but someone in the Order is going to get it. :upset:

I know one of the Weasleys are going to die but I am going to cry my eyes out when it happens. :upset:

Voldemort is going to get it otherwise what was the point of the story?

I'm hoping Bellatrix is going to die. She's defiantly deserves it.

There's my two cents.

My bet for who’s going to die in Book 6: Vernon Dursley. Jo has already said that a character without magic will suddenly discover powers late in life, under desparate circumstances. It’s a logical assumption that this person is Petunia. I could be way off here, but it just feels right. Now, what would be so dire that Petunia would make with the magic? My guess is that Death Eaters will attack the Dursleys. Harry will either be incapacitated in the fight, or maybe he isn’t even there (he could be seeing it in Voldy-vision, like the attack on Mr. Weasley). Now, this is just speculation, but I think they’d go for Vernon first, and I don’t think that would be enough to trigger Petunia’s magic, cynical as that may seem. I think they’ll finish off Vernon and go for Dudley, and that’s when Petunia will suddenly discover mighty mother-magic.

I like this theory for a couple of reasons, one being that I just hate Vernon. The other thing, though, is that this death would have a big impact on Harry without being as traumatic as, say, DD dying. After all, Harry might hate Vernon, but they still lived together for eleven years and a death like that would lead to a lot of confusion and anger.


First post, so hello all :)

I also believe that it will be Petunia who finds magic. Am I the only one who has noticed how Jo always seems to point out how unusually clean the Dursleys house seems to be? Could be hinting at something.

And just to stay on topic, i to believe that Lupin and Wormtail are going to die off, most likely Lupin at the hand of Peter and Peter because of his debt to Harry.

I think Wormtail, Hermoine or Ron, Seamus or Dean, Dumbledore and Hagrid will die. But I really don't know for sure and hope that I am wrong. (except for Wormtail though)

I think Wormtail, Hermoine or Ron, Seamus or Dean, Dumbledore and Hagrid will die. But I really don't know for sure and hope that I am wrong. (except for Wormtail though)
What? All of them?! That's a lot of dead people :lol:.

It will be Lupin. James was already dead, Sirius snuffs it in the 5th, Lupin in the 6th, then Wormtail in the 7th. That's Deconstructing the Marauders for ya.

I think Harry, Voldemort, Dumbledore, Ron, Neville, Bellatrix, and Wormtail will die.

I think Voldy's going to attack the Ministry during HBP, so about half the Ministry, including Fudge is going to die. Voldy's going to send in the Dementors as the first wave to soften up the place, followed by the giants, and lastly the Death Eaters to mop up. The ensuing battle will destroy the ministry-taking half of the people down with it. Fudge will go down in flames- literally as this will happen before he's to be booted out of office. The Order will be out of the office at the time of the attack - they will come to aide the ministry, but will be too late. None of the order will die until book 7- the siege of Hogwarts.

I like mass slaugher of random ministry officials over loosing Lupin. JKR's killed off Sirius, I couldn't bear loosing Lupin too (even though I know it's coming).

As much as I hate to say it, I thinkg Dumbledore will die, and I have a new theory why:
when Harry just came back from the graveyard in GoF, Fudge us screaming: "Dumbledore--he's dead!"
Now he was referring to Cedric Diggory, but if you had no clue about the books and read that line, you would have thought that is was Dumbledore who died.

As much as I hate to say it, I thinkg Dumbledore will die, and I have a new theory why:
when Harry just came back from the graveyard in GoF, Fudge us screaming: "Dumbledore--he's dead!"
Now he was referring to Cedric Diggory, but if you had no clue about the books and read that line, you would have thought that is was Dumbledore who died.
Well, I don't think anyone would come to that conclusion. From the way the words are separated (i.e. a dash) and the context, you can tell that he is not referring to Dumbledore, but talking to him. You would have to take that line completely out of context to get the idea that Dumbledore will die - and it seems a pretty tenuous link to me. :shrug:

I agree with all those who have said that they think that Dumbledore will die before the end of the books. There are many circumstances where he is looking very old, and hes about 150yrs old isnt he? thats old! But also, i think that the final battle has to be harry's, and his alone. It wouldn't be right if his mentor could just step into the battle to give him a helping hand. Also, by the time that Harry meets his final showdown with voldy, i reckon he needs to be officially the greatest wizard alive. But furthermore, i beleive that hogwarts will be invaded by voldy at the end, and for this to happen, i reckon dd will have to be out of the way first. Sad i know. :sad:

I also believe that at least one of the weasleys will die. The odds are just stacked against them - look at all the close calls members of that family have had already - ginny, mr weasley, ron. There are just too many of them for them all to survive. In addition, i remember jkr saying that something bad will happen to the weasleys.

This said, i think that the most likely candidate from the weasley family is percy. It isnt right that he is split up from his family, and i can see him finally trying to make things right by making the sacrifice for either another member of his family, or harry. I think this would be the only way that his family could ever forgive him properly for what he has done.

If Dumbledore dies, it won't be until book 7. I

I heard somewhere awhile ago that the last word of the last book (7), would be scar. Just wondering if any of you have heard this rumor before and if so, what speculation would that put on Harry dying or not? :huh:

Think about it, if Harry dies, Voldermort lives! He can't be allowed to live. That would mean that Evil would win! It'd be like if Vader killed Luke in ESB or the Emperor managing to electrocute Luke to death rather than just injure him.

I read that thing about the word "scar", too. I just hope it doesn't mean Harry's death.

I thought of some things that it could be...somethin to the effect of...

Hermione or Ron: Harry, It's gone

Harry: What are you talking about? What's gone?

Hermione or Ron: Your scar.

I would like to say that I believe Harry will die in the end.
-Come on, in every other great fantasy book that you've read, hasn't the good guy died in the end, (but also managed to kill the bad one)?
-The boy has it coming to him. This is just a hunch of mine.
-If he lived, WHAT would the end of the story be like in your fantasy world?

"Harry Potter strolls out, with one arm around Hermoine, and the other around Ron. He looks at the two and smiles, for they are his best friends, and they would always be there for him"
Seriously. Is that your idea of an end?

(IMHO) Harry's will most likely die in the 7th book
Ron is as well
Hermoine...not sure, but certainly a brush with it.
Dumbledore and Hagrid will die. Which book? Not certain
Ginny, a brush, I think.
Some "certain" people will not stay dead. Weird, yes, but I think so.

Mark my words. ;-) I mean. A bloody gory, sad ending is a pretty cool ending. And as you can tell, the books seem to get more intense. If the 7th one turned out to be lighthearted, that would be odd.

Percy Weasley, Bellatrix LeStrange, Peter Pettigrew, Kingsley Shackelbolt, Luna Lovegood, Viktor Krum, Hagrid and Tonks will all die. I know that's horrible, but that's what I think.

If the 7th one turned out to be lighthearted, that would be odd.

I don't think there's any way that would happen, regardless of whether Harry survives. JKR has said there will be deaths (there already have) and I doubt it'll be just people Harry will get over easily. The ending of this series will definitely be bittersweet.

Frodo lives in the end in the LOTR doesn't he?

Why does Harry have to die? That would be upsetting to a lot of people wouldn't it?

Yes, Frodo did survive but he was changed and he couldn't stand staying in this world so he went to the Grey Havens.

Harry dying would be extremely upsetting. I don't think he's going to die defeating Voldemort. I can see Harry wandering through life and trying to pick up the pieces after the war but I don't see him dying.

I also kind of see Harry and Hermoine living through the war and getting married or something. Sure, it's a bit of a stretch, but typically in books, this is what happens.

Version 3 can be found here (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=36378).

So who does everyone think will be dying in future books. Personally I see Harry surviving the series, but you never know. I wouldn't be shocked if Dumbledore and Hagrid died or the last 2 marauders, as much as it pains me to say so. I'd prefer nobody dying, but we know that won't happen.

So what does everyone think?
to that part i agree, as much as it pains me to say it cause i love lupin so much but i see peter dyiung in an act to repay harry much like serius's(sp) is brother did

I predict: Percy, Dumbledore, Dobby, Voldemort and Cho Chang will die :evil:

I really hope this isn't so, but I believe that Ron will die. There's so much evidence for it.

Who will die? I bet it´s Ron or Hermione (or both). JK has got to put some drama into the last books and if there is a war going on, people will die. Bumbledore is an option too, but I think Harry will survive. Maybe Bumbledore is going to die, I hope not.

Many from the Order might (or are sure to die) die. The one who I predict will survive, is Mrs. Weasley. She is such a lovely person and almost like a mother to Harry.

-mond-

When JK said that Harry might get a new pet, do you think she could mean Buckbeak? I doubt he'd take him to Hogwarts but he might look over him wherever the Order's new hideout is.

Also, whoever dies in future books, Harry could inherit their pet. There are a lot of pets in the books so I'll do a little list here: character that may die on the left, their pet Harry could get on the right.

Ron -- Pig
Hermione -- Crookshanks
Hagrid -- Fang
Dumbledore -- Fawkes
Percy -- Hermes (although I doubt Harry would get him)
Neville -- Trevor
or if all of the Weasleys ended up dying -- Errol

I can actually see Dumbeldore dying and Harry watching over Fawkes for him...I dunno...just my 2 cents

well they already killed off sirius.. so it would be very hard to figure out who will die, but it's probably someone they talk about a lot so you will feel sad when he/she/it dies, Grawp might die..

I'm almost positive Ron and Hermione will not die. JKR's style of writing and the way she has finished the books so far, plus Ron and Hermione's huge supporting roles that are felt even when they're not present- it just doesn't seem feasible. If any of the trio dies, it has to be Harry as the hero/"one".

A lot of people have been talking about Hagrid dying, and I had a sort of revelation.....I don't think anyone quite understands how close Harry and Hagrid are (even themselves), just like Harry wasn't aware of how important Sirius was to him until he was gone. Perhaps Hagrid's name will be cleared from CoS and he'll be allowed to have his wand back and have a more prominant position in the Order.....

Then again, if Dumbledore dies (as I believe he will), that's a lot of prominant members in Harry's life to die- exactly why Ron and Hermione will outlast everyone.

good point :tu: I like your way of thinking.

But I don't think Dumbledore will die. He helps Harry too much. If Dumbledore were to die, You-Know-Who Will have nothing to stop him from attacking Harry at Hogwarts.

Percy Weasly will die. With fudge replaced and the Weasley's being right about Voldermort, I believe that Percy will feel the brunt of shame for being wrong. With his huge ego I'm afraid "once again" he'll make rash choices and end up dying a martyre's death.

I believe that Neville will die in the place of Harry at the last possible moment. It'll be a fight between Voldermort and Harry and Neville will step in, saving Harry. Before that Neville will kill Bella for torturing his parents.

Dumbledore will die, I'm not set on a way yet, still working that out. If not him, for sure McGonnagall.

~dumbledore-sorry, hate to say it, but, logically it probably will happen, harry can no longer rely on dumbledore, it will give harry more passion to kill Lord V because of vengeance, you know the drill; but hopefully not.
~some of the aurors in the order of the phoenix, can't possible be excaped
~voldemort-he just has to die. jkr just cant let him live. he's the embodiment of evil and i think sirius fell into the veil for a reason, to show us that it's there, voldemort can't be killed but he canfall into the land of the dead (speaking of sirius he will return)
~wormtail-he deserves death because of what he did to harrys parents, but he might not die it might not be the worst punishment for him

others obviously, too. maybe some professors

I think Harry will probably end up surviving. I don't imagine JK killing him off - It'd make a lot of her fans angry at the outcome. Instead, I think she'll pick a fairytale like ending where good triumphs over evil.

I do think Dumbledore will kick the bucket though. This'll give Harry more of a force to drive with to kill Voldemort.

I'm almost positive Ron and Hermione will not die. JKR's style of writing and the way she has finished the books so far, plus Ron and Hermione's huge supporting roles that are felt even when they're not present- it just doesn't seem feasible. If any of the trio dies, it has to be Harry as the hero/"one".

I agree with most of this apart from Harry dying. Regardless of how appealing the books are to a wide, wide audience range, the books were first and foremost aimed at children and the younger generation, and to kill their hero off is a step that I see as too far. I used to be very gung-ho for JK killing Harry off, but I have changed my mind due to the direction and tone of the books. Harry's life may have been traumatic and unjust, which would inevitably lead us to think: "Oh, he can go to peace with his parents finally!", but that attitude just seems too much like surrender for JKR. Harry has his best friends Hermione and Ron, he has a wonderful life at Hogwarts, and these are the things that should be focused on when deciding if he will die or not. It's also why I do not think that Hermione or Ron will die - it just goes against the bone of the books. At the end, the most logical and pleasing conclusion is for the trio to survive, supporting each other throughout, as it always has been. There is no way that JKR would cause a situation where either of Harry, Ron or Hermione is fighting alone, or entirely without the support of each other. So taking that hypothesis, we can see that they will all be together, as always. And for JKR to kill them all, or to leave simply one alive, or even to kill one, is such a horrific thought that would add absolutely no satisfaction to the end of such an amazing, incredible series. As JKR herself has said, once a person is dead, they are dead and there is no coming back. You have to choose to be a ghost, and I doubt either of our Trio would choose this - meaning that if Harry, Ron or Hermione, in any combination, died, they would never be seen again. I just cannot believe that JKR would do this.

Harry as the Hero as well is seen by many as possibly sacrificing himself for the good of the world. This was the theory that I held for a good long while, supported by 'neither shall live while the other survives' - or whatever the literal text of the prophecy is. While more believable than simply killing the poor kid off, I still cannot see it happening, simply because, in theory, if Harry sacrifices himself, then Ron and Hermione will not be harmed, and it will leave only two of the Trio at the end. I believe that the decision of who will die is heavily wrapped up in the dynamics of the Trio. And from this, you can get some very interesting results.

Hagrid, Lupin, Dumbledore and Snape are the logical choices for victims outside of the Trio.

Hagrid is, first and foremost, Harry's friend. He befriended Ron and Hermione, but anyone can tell that it is Harry who is the key in the Trio's relationship with him. Hagrid's death would certainly affect the entire Trio - especially Hermione, who feels for Hagrid with a female empathy that Harry sometimes cannot - yet would affect Harry the most. It is almost the same as the death of Sirius, an alternate parent figure, who gets up to no good, worships the ground Harry walks on and knew his parents. This happening would bring back the memories of Sirius and his parents to Harry, and while he would be distraught, the Trio would hold together. Hagrid is not essential to their protection or their continuation, and so I think it is highly probable that he will die.

Lupin is, once again, Harry's - a big surprise since Harry is the main character. Another tie to his parents, and another whose death would upset the Trio but devastate Harry, Lupin has little to offer in terms of evidence of why he should survive. He is the only Marauder left alive (good Marauders, I mean, not Wormtail scum), which one could say is almost a death wish. So at the moment he is dedicating himself to the survival and protection of Harry. How horrible, if this very notion was destroyed by Harry (hypothetically) dying. Lupin may be dead by then, but it would still render his existence while it was there quite useless and empty. Another point for thinking that Harry won't die. But Lupin may. As a werewolf with a man with a silver hand gunning for him, his days could be seen as numbered. But, incredibly, I don't think they are. As I am about to detail next, I think Dumbledore will most definitely die. Which, if Lupin died as well, leaves Harry at least with the Trio, there is no adult presence with ties to his parents left. I see JKR as having to leave at least one person alive with this, and I see it as Lupin.

Dumbledore is the one person I really, really don't want to die. Picko convinced me he would. As the mentor, the protector, the guider, the wise man, the headmaster, the benevolent friend, the ever seeing eye, he has to go. Harry's dependance upon Dumbledore for answers and protection has been obvious throughout each book. Harry will go and fight the fight, but Dumbledore has to be there to pick up the pieces and tell him why he had to do this. Harry and the Trio need to work out how to do this for themselves, and while Dumbledore is one of the only ones able to fully protect them, his dying will, while upsetting scores of thousands of fans, free up Harry for his big finale and his final growth into the amazing wizard he is destined to be. It is pure JKR.

As for Snape, remember how I just said that Dumbledore was one of the only ones able to protect the Trio? Snape is the other. The perfect anti-hero, and in JKR style world, the perfect character to be there with the Trio at the end. His problems with James, Sirius and Harry will have to be overcome, and I see him as being the one to come through and take over from Dumbledore. While Dumbledore's presence could stifle the Trio - as I detailed, they depend upon him - Snape's may do the opposite. I don't want to go too off track, as I could talk about Snape's role in the final war all day, but because of this, Snape is one character that I really think could go either way in terms of living or dying. His life could be redeemed and soul set at rest by dying saving the Trio (remember the werewolf attack scene in POA film? Why would his protecting them have been put in??), or he could survive to make his peace with Lupin and the Trio. I do see him dying as the more likely though - how weird would it be for the Trio and Snape to be best buds? And then he dies a hero, a role which you can tell he has constantly craved for.

So, to sum up, when I think about who will die, I relate it to the Trio, and vice versa. JKR writes with such interconnection that it is impossible to say someone will die because of this, without considering its impact on everything possible within the series. Even I can't touch all of that, but this is my way towards doing that :)

Great post leenielou.... You might have misinterpreted my statement- I don't think Harry will die (I wrote another post on this somewhere in this thread)- I don't know how the book could end with his death and it could send a bad message to readers. But if a trio member were to die, it would probably be Harry. But I don't think that will happen.

Excellent points with Hagrid, Lupin, Dumbledore (I would hate it if he died, too), and Snape.

I don't want to go too off track, as I could talk about Snape's role in the final war all day, but because of this, Snape is one character that I really think could go either way in terms of living or dying.

I agree with your confusion over Snape's path- he's such a complex and mysterious character (one of the reasons Harry always wants to believe he's guilty) that I think we'll be seeing a lot more of him in book 6 to set him up for a final battle in book 7.......I'm not sure I'd go so far and say Snape and the trio could be best buds.

I don’t know whether Harry will die in book 7. I do, however, disagree with those people who claim that he can’t die because “these are kid’s books.” In the first place, these books have grown considerably in depth and maturity since PS/SS. Honestly, did anyone think, when they first read PS/SS, that we would eventually come to the Kafka-esque scene in which Umbridge tortures Harry in OotP? Secondly, it’s not unheard of for major characters to die in children’s books. This is a list of kid’s books, more or less off the top of my head, in which the main character or a main character dies:

Charlotte’s Web
Little Women
I am the Cheese
Bridge to Terabithia
Old Yeller
Watership Down
Tuck Everlasting

This doesn’t necessarily mean that Harry will die; it just means that we can’t rule it out on the grounds that children won’t be able to deal with it.

~dumbledore-sorry, hate to say it, but, logically it probably will happen, harry can no longer rely on dumbledore, it will give harry more passion to kill Lord V because of vengeance, you know the drill; but hopefully not.




I don't think Harry is going to actually kill someone. I just can't see him doing that...

I think that of the trio, Hermione is the most likely to die by the end of the series. Every time I read the scene where the trio is considering careers in OotP, I was consistenly struck by Hermione's lack of conviction. It's almost like she has no purpose outside the school. Yes, there's S.P.E.W., but it won't be long until she figures out how counterproductive that is. I absolutely cannot see her in a role like that of Mrs. Weasley, not with all the highly advanced magic of which she is already capable. As far as I remember, she rejected every other possibility. What does that leave? She has to die or enter into some field of which we are not yet aware. I give her a 50/50 chance.

I've got quite a few predictions for.. Well.. Nearly the entire cast. And I'll break them down however logical or illogical they seem.. It's an ongoing struggle, we'll cope.

Harry: It's easily the most controversial and talked over possible death in the series. Will Harry die? Only JK knows. We can't speculate very well, and she won't tell us. Do I want him to? No. Will he? I have no idea. Could he? Yes, there's always the chance the Voldemort is just too powerful. I, for one, will be just as satisfied if he dies as if he doesn't. The books are wonderful. Logically, he can't die in Book 6, as a saw mention to on page three or something. If Harry dies, it will be in the last or second to last chapter of book seven. That's the only way it could possibly be done.

Ron: Ron is much more likely candidate for death, and I for one, believe he will die. There was mention made in an editorial, "The North Tower," I believe of the chess match in SS playing a huge roll in Ron's fate. The chess pieces of the white side had no faces, symbolizing the Death Eater's masks. Ron sacrificed himself so Harry could checkmate the king, Voldemort. This implies Ron will be slain in his helping Harry to the final showdown, and will die by the hands of, in my opinion, Bellatrix Lestrange; the queen.

Hermione: I can't find a single instance that would cause me to believe she dies. There just isn't a reason. I love Hermione anyway.

Dumbledore: I'm afraid I can't see the lovable old guy dying. It seems to me he'd be incapacitated during the final bout. Dumbledore is JK's voice in the series. He explains everything. He knows everything. He is Jo's mind let loose upon her work. He will train Harry, he will help in more ways than we can even imagine, but I don't believe he will die. This is, of course, assuming Harry lives. Which is why I take no sides.

Lupin/Pettigrew: I have loved the whole Silver hand/werewolf thing for a long while. The simple fact that is silver is enough to make it significant. Someone was rambling on about silver not being hard enough or something, but really, JK doesn't research such things.. She even admitted to that when she revealed that Snowy Owls were not only not native to England, but always weren't nocturnal creatures. Sometimes she just doesn't delve so deeply. I do believe Lupin will die. But JK believes in the redempton factor, a character getting their comeupance. Wormtail will live to fester in a friendless, masterless chasm of lonliness to dwell on his downfalls until he dies. That's very Rowling-esque.

Snape: Here's a point where I have been quiet for a while.. And it all ties back into things coming back to bite you in the butt. Now, I realize full well that now Sirius is dead, Harry will have a renewed vigor to complete his Occlumency training. Time is always a factor. How fast can he do it, and how long will it take Voldemort to realize he has to act fast to use this tool while he still has it? Yes, Dumbledore wanted Harry to block images from entering his mind, but I also think it highly plausible that he wanted images to stay there as well. The connection must flow in both directions, yes? I believe Voldemort will find out about Snape's double agent role. This may not be the direct cause for Snape's death, but, like Sirius, I believe he will be driven into hiding because of it, only to die, as Sirius did, in trying to protect Harry.

The Weasleys: A few here, actually.. Well, Molly for one. She is described on more than one occassion as a sort of surrogate mother to Harry. He's lost two fathers, why not two mothers? Fits nicely. But tying into the plot, I believe this will be the catalyst to the fall of the Weasley clan. Molly holds them together. Arthur would obviously be devastated, Percy, who will rejoin the family, will feel guilty for having betrayed them. Ron, however, will be the clincher. This death will drive him over the edge, his pursuits into vengeance will be very Ron-like, as always: overzealous and passionately followed. I also believe one of the Weasley twins will die. Face it, one doesn't function without the other. One dies, they both die. Bill and Charlie may only die if JK wishes to have another slightly lesser character die that would still have a deeper impact on Harry than Bode or some other nonsensical Ministry worker.

Dobby: Dobby, I feel has a much higher place in these novels than most. He is a Harry Potter worshipper, and even in the movies, we see he is deeply loyal. (If you'll notice, as Lucius raises his wand on Harry in CoS: the movie after Harry frees Dobby, Dobby steps in front of it as Lucius is about the cast the Avada Kedavra. That is not explained fully, but the word Avada is the word that comes out of his mouth) But let me use this oppurtunity to point out another huge plot point I believe will play a part in 6 and 7. The House Elves, a meager, under-appreciated people who give their lives to the bettering of wizard's daily life. Hogwarts has over one hundred House Elves. JK is very clear at explaining that House Elves have "their own brand of magic." Strong enough to block the Avada Kedavra perhaps? It can certainly do the impossible, as Dobby "Apparates" and "Disapparates" within Hogwarts Castle, something we are told time and time again is impossible. The House Elves are the Light's equivalent of Dementors. They have their creatures, we have ours. Sorry for the off topic.

Bellatrix Lestrange: Yes, she will die. How, though is a complete mystery. She may, out of grief, end her life after Voldemort's downfall, as again we see in the chess match. She doesn't die directly, but ultimately loses as the king is checkmated. But, as the queen did in the chess match, Bellatrix will be the cause of many more character deaths. She is one of the few whose "names were feared nearly as much as his (Voldemort's)."

On a final note, which ties into Ron's death, we must always remember that JK loves patterns, outlandish and unforseen as they may be. Take this into consideration. In SS, Harry, Ron, and Hermione all enter the trapdoor to save the Stone. In CoS, only Harry and Ron enter the Chamber. In PoA, only Harry and Hermione travel back in time. In GoF, Harry is alone when in the graveyard and throughout all the tasks of the Triwizard Tournament. In Book Five, all three of them again travel to the Department of Mysteries. It stands to reason that, if this pattern is followed, in Book 6, Harry and Ron will again be alone fighting whatever it is they will undoubtedly fight. And following the same pattern, Harry and Hermione alone in 7. This could be perhaps because Ron has already sacrificed himself. It's only speculation, but I thought it a point possibly worth recognition.

Belltrix will definitely be killed by Neville. Neville's parents were tortured by this death eater and Neville will take the revenge.

It is clear that there must be someone whose death will instill exceeding emotions inside Harry's mind and finally give him the ultimate magical force to overpower Voldemort.

But the question is, who could that be ?

I think Molly might not as well be the very special person (atleast now). I might have to review my opinion after reading HBP.

My vote is for APWBD. As long as Dumbledore is there, Dumbledore will not allow Harry to face Voldemort while he stands out there and watches. He is far too protective in Harry's case and he will not tolerate any harm to befall upon Harry.

Harry will face Voldemort after Dumbledore gets killed and that will be the last chapter of book seven.

Some people are considering that Dumbledore will be killed in HBP. For them I would just like to say that Late Actor Richard Harris was signed up for acting in all the 7 Harry Potter Movies by Warner Brothers, which means he will live till book 7.

NOTE: I am not ruling out the possibility that we might find Dumbledore as a portrait in the Headmasters Office in Book 7 after he dies in Book 6.

My predictions on HBP:-
Snape will refuse to allow Harry into his Potions Lectures either because of his personal hatred or because Harry might fail to get "O" in potions. As a result Dumbledore might have to take the matter into his own hands and teach Harry Potions.

I think that Hagrid might die. I read sumwhere that Jo told Robbie Coltrane (the guy that plays hagrid) what's gonna happen to him. Also if the Half Blood Prince is him, then it would make sence. My guess is the Hagrid dies, THEN you find out about that he was a Prince.

Mind u if he dies, it'll be soooo sad. :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset:

Another thought is that "Half Blood Prince" is a metaphor for - something - i dunno.

I don't think that Hermione will die, just because I can't think of anything that seems like it could be foreshadowing to her death.

Harry dieing sounds possible, but I don't think it will happen, however; I have no proof to support that, it's just a feeling, plus it would end the books sadly, so I think it's more that I hope it doesn't happen.

Wormtail I really believe will die, because he is such a coward and has been responsible for so many peoples deaths, I think that Voldemort will have a great deal to do with Wormtail's death if he does die.

I think that Ron could die, if any of the Trio gets killed off I think it will be him, just because I see instances that can be precieved as foreshadowing to his death.

I think that Percy could die, in fact if any of the Weasley's die, I think he'd be the first, just because of his separation from his family, which makes him seem less like a Weasley, and that he is so mean.

I could see Molly or Arthur dieing, but I don't think that they'd both die, since they're the closest Harry has to parents, and he'd need at least one of them after the war.

I think that Dumbledore will die, but if he does then it would be saving Harry from Voldemort.

I think it'll be hagrid who dies. i read sumwhere that jo told robbie coltrane (he plays hagrid) something that'll happen to him. I also believe he's the half blood prince cause that would be the importance of him. Here's how i think it will happen:

Hagrid dies THEN we find out he's the prince

But i hope he doesn't die :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset:

I personally beleive that Voldemort will live. Somehow Harry will to, but knowing JKR's style, i would say she will go with the undpredictble, meaning that in saying i think Voldemort wil live i am not implying that Harry's death would follow.
Otherwisei think Draco will die. I think Harry will kill him, more so.

I think that Voldemort will definately die. I also think that Harry will die after killing him. I think that Lupin is going to die in book 6 by doing something for the order.

JK Rowling has said that she is sorry to say but there will be more deaths in the series. Perhapss nobody will die in the sixth book???? I see that as unlikely though. But has anyone heard her confirm that there will be a death in the sixth book? I'm also wondering if there could be multiple deaths or just limited to one....
I'm willing to bet that a Weasley will die in the sixth book. One foreshadow is Mrs. Weasley crying over the boggart of her dead family.
Another interesting pont. We haven't had a female die yet. It has all been guys. I think it is a girl's chracter's turn. So I think it will be Ginny. She is the only girl in the Weasley immediate family, which would be a great loss to them. It will have repurcussions for Harry because Ron is his best friend and he is almost a member of the family. Perhaps to effect him even more, "the little romance for Harry" may be a rekindling of Ginny's feelings for him and Harry notices he likes her too?
Ginny's death would also mirror the second book which JK has said is similar to the sixth. She almost in the 2nd being possessed by Voldemort and all......I think she will die in a noble and heroic way like a true Gryffindor and will prove herself to her family. She seems to always want to prove that she is not a little baby even though she is the youngest.

I'm still leaning to one of the Weasley's. It might be Ron because it always talks about 'the thing that Harry cares about the most' and what not. But Ginny is a possibility. So are any of the other Weasley's.

i think its harry maybe one a da girls like Ginny or Cho and probably Dumbledore

i realli do i realli think so

As much as it pains me to say so, I think Ron is toast. He is a bit stupid after all, and he might also die to save Harry's life. I think this could happen at the end to make it more dramatic. I just know one of the Weasleys are going to bite the dust anyway, after reading "The Woes of Mrs. Weasley."

Having not read the whole thread i do´nt know if someone already mentioned it, but there is a interessting essay on mugglenet, north tower, which is called "die, Ron, die". check it out!

I apologise if someone already said this.

In chapter 11 in Prisoner of Azkaban, where Harry, Ron and Hermione eats Christmas dinner with the teachers, Trelawney makes another wierd statement:

"Certainly, certainly," said Dumbledore, his eyes twinkling. "Let me draw you up a chair --"
And he did indeed draw a chair in midair with his wand, which revolved for a few seconds before falling with a thud between Professors Snape and McGonagall. Professor Trelawney, however, did not sit down; her enormous eyes had been roving around the table, and she suddenly uttered a kind of soft scream.
"I dare not, Headmaster! If I join the table, we shall be thirteen! Nothing could be more unlucky! Never forget that when thirteen dine together, the first to rise will be the first to die!"
"We'll risk it, Sibyll," said Professor McGonagall inpatiently. "Do sit down, the turkey's getting stone cold."

The two first to rise from the table are Harry and Ron which makes Trelawney freak of course. Could this be that either (or even both) Harry or Ron will die before the end of the series?

no i think it was just a supersition nothing really serious, like when you walk under a ladder or smash a mirror

:upset: i'm leaning more towards hagrid. i hate to say it, but he also has been there when harry really needed him. plus hagrid was the first person that harry meet from the wizarding world. my guess is that he dies saving harry or dumbuledore.

As much as it pains me to say so, I think Ron is toast. He is a bit stupid after all, and he might also die to save Harry's life. I think this could happen at the end to make it more dramatic. I just know one of the Weasleys are going to bite the dust anyway, after reading "The Woes of Mrs. Weasley."

That could be a vision of whats going to come in the final book

I see Dumbledore dying ... it's almost to obvious now that we know Dumbledore can't kill Voldemort ... I think Hedwig might die as well ... possibly knocked down while trying to send an important letter for the order ... I'm not sure about Hagrid, I can really see him in the last chapter of book # 7 settling with Madame Maxim and Fang ... don't think Ron or Hermione will die ... I hope not Harry, only b/c J.K. would really have to stop with the series ... maybe she can continue on, especially if Harry indeed does become an auror ... uhoh maybe that is indeed the very last thing Professor McGonnagall does do :upset:

I think Dumbledore will die at the end of the 6th book.
I also think wormtail will die too. I don't think any of the animals will die.
If Hedwig or Fang died(I would cry so much). I wish she didn't kill off Characters exept the bad guys.

I think both Lupin and Pettigrew will die. We will see the end of the entire Marauder's gang.

Well the prophecy states that both of them can't be alive, that one has to die while the other will survive. It is not quite certain if the prophecy is talking about Harry and Neville or Harry and Voldemort or even a possibility of Voldemort and Neville. All I know for sure is that Harry, Voldemort or Neville are going to die to fulfill the prophecy. I think one of the Weasleys will die. I think a major character will die, either Harry, Ron or Hermione.

Dumbledore (I assume, though who knows?) made the covers of both the american and british HBP. I think that's a sign he playes a big part in it, and probably tht he ends up snuffing it.


i think i read somewhere in an interview with JKR that Dumbledore dies in the 6th book... but i could just be seeing things... (this happens sometimes you know! lol!)

ps. This is my first post ever here! woot woot!

i think i read somewhere in an interview with JKR that Dumbledore dies in the 6th book...
I highly doubt that she would reveal that sort of info ;)

i think i read somewhere in an interview with JKR that Dumbledore dies in the 6th book... but i could just be seeing things... (this happens sometimes you know! lol!)

ps. This is my first post ever here! woot woot!

Hey. :welcome:

I hope that Dumbledore doesn't die. He's the only one that Voldemort was ever afraid of. He is the only thing that stops Voldemort from taking over the world...kind of..and Harry.

I just hope that Voldemort dies, and that's it...no more people..don't let any more important ones kick the bucket. :no:

I highly doubt that she would reveal that sort of info ;)

Yeah, it's either you are seeing things, or it's a fake interview. She would never tell us that..if she won't even tell us who will fall in lvoe together..although I believe that she kind of already did :scared: :evil:

it's almost to obvious now that we know Dumbledore can't kill Voldemort ...
Thats not true, it was an even match, and Dumbledore was able to hold him off, why would Voldemort be scared of Dumbledore if he could kill him?

Thats not true, it was an even match, and Dumbledore was able to hold him off, why would Voldemort be scared of Dumbledore if he could kill him?

I meant that Dumbledore won't be the one to kill Voldemort since he told Harry that the prophecy meant either Harry will have to kill Voldemort or Voldemort will kill Harry

I go with the public vote of Dumbledore snuffing it. (I don't want to , but I feel that it will happen.) We all don't want to see our favorite headmaster going bye-bye (I actually wish he was my headmaster at school), and seeing Dumbledore go might just push Harry over the edge. And by going off that cliff, it might be what it takes for him to finally stop fearing death.

Does that make sense? It does to me. If you want a map to that sentence, it's 5 sickles! ^_^U

I remember a comment I read from Robbie Coltrane that he knows Hagrid's fate..........so, maybe he will die.............

As much as it pains me to say so, I think Ron is toast. He is a bit stupid after all, and he might also die to save Harry's life. I think this could happen at the end to make it more dramatic.
JKR did say "Mostly they [the kids] are really worried about Ron. as if I am going to kill the hero's best friend!What I find strange is no one has ever said to me don't kill Hermione...<snip>
I think, due to that 'as if', we can count on Ron living.

Plus, yes he did joke about dying but its funny, right after Ron's major death theory surfaced on the fansites (with the joking about die ron die thing ) JKR told us that Arthur is not going to be Minister of Magic...which proves that Ron's jokes do not always turn out right (which was a major point in Rons death theory)

I remember a comment I read from Robbie Coltrane that he knows Hagrid's fate..........so, maybe he will die.............
Or maybe he won't. Knowing ones fate does not automatically = Death. JKR could have said that Hagrid goes to live in the mountains, becomes headmaster, turns into a dragon....any crazy thing...and Robbie coltrane knows whatever fate it may be (whether life, or death)...why are you so quick to assume it means death?

Hi I'm new. Did J.K. really say that about Ron? Cool find. It reinforces my longheld conviction that neither Harry, Ron or Hermione will die. (If she can't kill the best friend, how can she killl the hero?) I just don't think it would make for a very satisfying ending. After we've invested so much emotion in Harry I think it'd be lame to end with something along the lines of oh, he's with his parents. or oh, he sacrificed himself to save the world (which I think would at least as trite an ending as him living, for whoever suggested it would be mundane for him not to die). I like to imagine that we will be left with glimpses of what their futures hold - who they will marry, their careers. Will Hermione go off to start SPEW? Will Harry become a famous quidditch player or an auror or Hogwarts headmaster? Will Ron be minister of magic or play for the Chudley canons? That's my instinct. Naturally, I'm not entirely sure - where would the suspense be if I wasn't still guessing :)
As for who will die, I can't help but think that the characters central to Hogwarts life will live until at least book 7. They're needed for atmosphere - part of what transports you in the books. So, I think Hagrid, Dumbledore, McGonagal, Snape - those types - will survive book 6. Reading about Hogwarts would just not be as much fun without Snape creeping around and trying to get Harry into trouble, for instance. He's just so intriguing that I suspect JK will really drag his full story out.
I definitely think more than one character will snuff it in book 6 - it's a fulfledged war, after all. That includes death eaters, of course, but I bet more than one good character will die. That leaves room for her to pick off a few minor good characters early in the book and leave the biggest losses for last. Who could that be?
I love the Percy theory. His death would be very tragic because of the devastation to Ron and his family - and by extention Harry and Hermione. Especially if it came after
Percy invested time trying to mend things with his family and work for the Order. One thing going against that theory - Percy has been an element of comic relief in the book, so I'm not sure it'd be a strong plot twist for him to get killed. On the other hand, his character has taken some darker undertones in the last books.
Fred and George - definitely mostly in the story for comic relief. I don't think they will go.
Ginny - First, she has to hook up with Harry. I'm convinced that will happen. Not sure it'll work out between them, but they will give it a go.
All the other Weaselies are fair game in my opinion.
So is Lupin - that'd be blow to harry. I hope not though. He's one of my favorite characters and I want to find out much more about him. I also want to see if there is ever going to be a chance for him to have a real job.

I think that Dumbledore will go at the end of book six- Harry can not defeat Voldemort on his own, like the prophecy suggests, when Dumbledore is still alive.

i think for certain that are going to be multiple deaths in the upcoming books. Voldermort is said to be more powerful than before and so after the massacre that was his first attempt to seize power jk has to top it.

I think that members of the order are fair game, its been mentioned that they wont all make it through. My moneys on Arthur or Molly Weasley due to mrs weasleys worries about who'll look after the boys, maybe they'll both die. I think it would be interesting as it would mean that Ron/Harry/Neville would all be orphans.

Neither Ron or Hermione will die. If they do i think it will be in the finale of the 7th book due to the trio of harry/ron/hermione is so central to the narrative structure. killing one of the trio to early would mean that the structure would be really jarring, to unfamiliar but it might make a good climax.

Again I dont think that snape/dumbledore/mcgonagle(bad spelling, i know) for similar reasons. The roles they play seem to important to go just yet. I think it may be hagrid that dies. he's close to harry but doesn't seem so major a character in the last book as he did in the first few books. harry seems to visit him less and he could be easily be replaced as comc teacher by Grubbly-PLank or Charlie. But because of he and harrys bond i think that it would be a good character to kill ( i like hagrid but its gotta be someone...).

Also I watched Gladiator today and i noticed somthing that might happen in book seven. In the film Maximus's(russel crowe) family are murdered by the emperor and he spends the rest of his life trying to avenge them. but what he truly desires is to with them again.he dies killing the emperor but then is with his family again in the afterlife. In HP, harrys family is murdered by voldermort and so like Maximus could harry in wanting to avenge them die in the process and finally meet lilly and james in the afterlife? we know that harrys greatest desire is not being minister of magic or playing quiddich for england but to meet his parents (mirror of erised). this would void the prophecy but divination is an imprecice form of magic.

Oh yeah, one last thing. Percy willl go over to the dark side and kill Mrs weasley.

phew! i think thats enough for now!

Dumbledore is most likely going to die fighting Voldemort to try to spare Harry from facing the Dark Lord.


I disagree... simply because Dumbledore knows what the prophesy says and that it is HArry who must kill Voldy, not himself. I understand that Dumbledore cares for Harry very much, but he is also aware that in order for the wizarding world to be at peace, Harry must "vanquish the Dark Lord". Although it may be hard for this kind, caring man, I believe that Dumbledore will be able to restrain from standing in Harry's way.

My theory is that either Lupin, (PLEASE NO!) or Dumbledore (*sobs*) will die in the 6th-7th book (Lupin in the 6th, Dumbledore in the 7th). Dumbledore via some incident but NOT Harry's showdown with Voldemort and Lupin... perhaps via a visit to the DoM again? Something along these lines...

Personally I think and somewhat (dare I say it?) hope, that Dombledore will die. I love the character and all that he represents but I really think for the series he needs to die. He is the only one Voldemort ever feared. His death would force Harry out from under his umbrella of protection and stand out on his own at all times. I know Harry has stood on his own on multiple occasions, but it only happends when he is lured away from the protection of Hoqwarts/Dumbledore. With the death of Dumbledore he would only be safe by his doing not his protector. It is Harry's only way to show his true power.

Personally, I think there's a pretty big possibility that Hermione will die. This is how the quote that Duchessa-of-Bellezza wrote, goes in it's entirety:

"Mostly they [kids] are really worried about Ron. As if I'm going to kill Harry's best friend. What I find interesting is only once has anyone said to me, "Don't kill Hermione," and that was after a reading when I said no one's ever worried about her... They see her as someone who is not vulnerable, but I see her as someone who does have quite a lot of vulnerability in her personality."
This is making me pretty scared. Of course, it doesn't say that Hermione will die, just that she has a "vulnerable personality", which in itself doesn't mean that she'll drop dead. However, she said it just as she was talking about Ron's eventual death. JKR could just be trying to mislead us a bit, but (in my pessimistic moments), I'm scared that she's not.

But, I do agree with time4heroes, that Hermione (if she dies) will die in the end, and definately not in book 6. We have no idea how Harry's "final battle" with Voldemort will look like, if it'll be just them standing somewhere solitary and shooting spells at each other, or if lot's of people will be present, but Hermione is a sort of person who, in the end, could be involved.

This is making me pretty scared. Of course, it doesn't say that Hermione will die, just that she has a "vulnerable personality", which in itself doesn't mean that she'll drop dead. However, she said it just as she was talking about Ron's eventual death. JKR could just be trying to mislead us a bit, but (in my pessimistic moments), I'm scared that she's not.

But, I do agree with time4heroes, that Hermione (if she dies) will die in the end, and definately not in book 6. We have no idea how Harry's "final battle" with Voldemort will look like, if it'll be just them standing somewhere solitary and shooting spells at each other, or if lot's of people will be present, but Hermione is a sort of person who, in the end, could be involved.

Woah, I never thought about that. But Jo wouldn't kill off any of the trio without a very good reason to do so. She herself said that she cried a lot after killing Sirius off, and only did so because she had to. So if Hermione dies in the end, I don't see what purpose it would serve.

I hate it when people say that Harry will "sacrifice" himself to rid the world off Voldemort or that Ron will die as he's the "faithful sidekick" or because of the "Die, Ron die" quote. I think both have a very good chance of surviving. Jo always takes the questions about their surviving the 7 books in a light way, and I doubt she would do that if she was really intending to kill them off.

And there are so many people saying that Dumbledore will die just because he's the "mentor", that I'm starting to doubt that would happen.

Well, basically I hate all death theories. Why can't people be optimistic for once?

Hey. :welcome:

I hope that Dumbledore doesn't die. He's the only one that Voldemort was ever afraid of. He is the only thing that stops Voldemort from taking over the world...kind of..and Harry.

I just hope that Voldemort dies, and that's it...no more people..don't let any more important ones kick the bucket. :no:



Yeah, it's either you are seeing things, or it's a fake interview. She would never tell us that..if she won't even tell us who will fall in lvoe together..although I believe that she kind of already did :scared: :evil:

haha ok fair enough! i do tend to see things lol!
but i did read an editorial by a HP fan who thought that Mrs. Weasley would be the one to die and set Harry over the edge so that he could kill LV. as upsetting as it was for me to read the editorial, it was very well written, and gave really good facts for support... hmm i have to remember what site i read that on... i'll post it if i find it! :cool:found it!

Editorial: Why Mrs. Weasley will die. (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/editorials/edit-stubbs01.shtml)
Woah, I never thought about that. But Jo wouldn't kill off any of the trio without a very good reason to do so. She herself said that she cried a lot after killing Sirius off, and only did so because she had to. So if Hermione dies in the end, I don't see what purpose it would serve.

I hate it when people say that Harry will "sacrifice" himself to rid the world off Voldemort or that Ron will die as he's the "faithful sidekick" or because of the "Die, Ron die" quote. I think both have a very good chance of surviving. Jo always takes the questions about their surviving the 7 books in a light way, and I doubt she would do that if she was really intending to kill them off.

And there are so many people saying that Dumbledore will die just because he's the "mentor", that I'm starting to doubt that would happen.

Well, basically I hate all death theories. Why can't people be optimistic for once?


aww i'm with you on this one! :tu: :upset:

If Ron, Hermione, or Ginny die in the 6th book I will flat out refuse to read the 7th. :upset: That said, I think it will either be Dumbledore, Hagrid, Snape, or Lupin that dies in the Half-blood Prince. I also think that it will be the Half-blood Prince that dies, whoever that may be. Wither they die at the hands of Lord Voldemort or not, I'm not sure.

Before the series is done there's a possibility that some or most of the Order will die, and at least one Weasley. I think that may be Percy or Mrs Weasley. It could also be Bill or Charlie because at the moment, their characters aren't really much more important to the plot than Sirius was.

At the end of the 7th book Ron, Hermione or Ginny could die (even though I don't want them to). And yes, I also believe that Harry could also die but not before the end of the 7th book. For those of you wondering how JKR would end the series without Harry, there are lots of possibilities.

One thing for sure though, if Harry does live, we will find that he will come out of the final battle very different than he was before.

Oh, and Voldemort WILL die. You can't end the series without that happening!

I have this odd theory, That Dumbledore will die in the 6th book(At the end), Snape will become head master. I got a few clues here(If you call them clues)

Page 267(COS) Draco asked Snape why he won't apply for the head master job.

I don't know any others. I think Snape will make Draco head boy. I think Hagrid is going to die by Grawp,Aragog, or one of his many monsters. I think Lucius Malfoy is going to be killed by Voldemort, and Wormtail is going to die protecting Harry.

I don't really think that Wormtail is going to die protecting Harry. I mean he already almost killed Harry once, I don't think that he will protect Harry even though he does owe him for saving his life.

Although, I won't rule that out completely, because I guess the samething that Snape did Wormtail could too, but I think it's highly unlikely that it will happen.

I don't really think that Wormtail is going to die protecting Harry. I mean he already almost killed Harry once, I don't think that he will protect Harry even though he does owe him for saving his life. I've always thought that Wormtail would die protecting Harry, but not necessarily meaning to do so. After all, the life debt is "magic at its deepest, most impenetrable", as Dumbledore says. That indicates to me that Peter is bound to somehow fulfill his life debt to Harry. And though I can't know for sure, I do feel it would be poetic justice for him to die protecting Harry in some way.

I'm kind of like Luna Lovegood in a way, I believe a lot of things, People don't think will happen. I truly think Snape will become 7th book DADA teacher or head master.

This is making me pretty scared. Of course, it doesn't say that Hermione will die, just that she has a "vulnerable personality", which in itself doesn't mean that she'll drop dead. However, she said it just as she was talking about Ron's eventual death. JKR could just be trying to mislead us a bit, but (in my pessimistic moments), I'm scared that she's not.
I can't see her killing off Hermione...for one thing o has said that Hermione is a carcature of herself a bit. And I think she has also said that she knows how so many girls can identify with her...
I think Ron is safe, and hermione
And IMO Harry has a 50/50 chance...

Harry - and to be honest I'd much prefer he died than went on living with all of us unable to hear about it. That would devastate me far more.

Ron and Hermione can't die. Especially if Harry does. They have to continue his legacy etc. etc. Plus, any of us who have been listening to a word Jo Rowling has ever said/written know that they are going to end up together.

I like the idea that Percy might die and redeem himself in that way.

I don't think Neville will die, because the prophecy isn't really about him anymore, now that Harry is the one 'marked' by Voldemort. But there has to be some significance to Neville being the other boy to whom the prophecy could have referred - desperate for Jo to get onto the FAQ poll on her website!

Of the bad guys, I think death would be too good for Lucius, and too honourable. The one thing that would crush him would be to have the Death Eaters destroyed before him and his reputation and power in tatters. If only there was some way to make a wizard into a squib - eh?

Voldemort, well duh.

Bellatrix, definately. In many ways I feel like I hate her more than Voldemort - Harry never knew his parents, but he did know Sirius. And I hate what she has done to Neville. It seems to me that Harry's orphanhood is perhaps very slightly preferable to Neville's situation. So, yes, Bellatrix can't survive. She'd only be the next Voldemort if she did.

I hope very much that the books end without a trace of doubt that the Death Eaters are a thing of the past. I mean, I know that the world, magical or not, will never be free of evil. But this evil must be defeated at least.

I never thought about Snape dying before reading through this thread. I don't think we know enough about him to know whether he will or not yet. There still seems to be a lot of secrecy around quite how good/bad he is. If he did die, it wouldn't be until book seven IMO.

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i think that hagrid mite die???? and ether ron or hermiony will die in book 7

I've always thought that Wormtail would die protecting Harry, but not necessarily meaning to do so. After all, the life debt is "magic at its deepest, most impenetrable", as Dumbledore says. That indicates to me that Peter is bound to somehow fulfill his life debt to Harry. And though I can't know for sure, I do feel it would be poetic justice for him to die protecting Harry in some way.
I agree, i've always thought of Wormtail dying in a way that directly or indirectly helps/protects Harry in some way... i'll be really suprised if he survives by the end of book 7. He doesn't deserve it.

I don't see Dumbledore dying though. The theory that by 'eliminating' him, Harry will have to come out his shell and take on full responsibility does make sense... but I think Dumbledore has always been very carefull around Harry, and made sure he's not too attatched to him. I think when the time comes, Harry himself will (have to) accept his destiny and realise that Dumbledore can only help him to a certain extent... but this does not necessarily mean that Dumbledore has to die for him to do so.

Also, when JKR needs to tell the readers something, she lets either Hermione or Dumbledore say it. By killing Dumbledore, it would make it more difficult for her to communicate certain information to the readers that was previously done through Dumbledore (unless, of coarse, she introduces a new character or lets another character 'take over' Dumbledore's place). But I just really don't see it... I know a lot of people expect it... but i'd still like him to see Voldemort's downfall.

The deaths will be Hagrid,Lucius,Voldemort, and Fudge.

i think LUPIN will die too!!

...book 6: lupin coz, he was one of the Ms, and there is a sorta pattern, james dies, sirius dies and lupin is like the next special person to harry soo...um...*i think i goona cry, dont want him to die*
book 7: wormtail! *plz* im not sure about harry or voldemort coz i know (well i dont, but i know deep down)that voldemort cant and i mean CANT become powerful and the hero dies and the world ends with tragic ending and all the mudbloods(excause me)die and the pure bloods and those who he knows will be faithfull to him live, somehow harry will defeat him and he will die when trying...to...kill vodie... :upset: and dumledore will die at the end of um i dunno but he might die....

hmm...think i said enough for a while....

...book 6: lupin because, he was one of the Ms, and there is a sorta pattern, james dies, sirius dies and lupin is like the next special person to harry soo...um...*i think i goona cry, dont want him to die*
book 7: wormtail! *plz* im not sure about harry or voldemort coz i know (well i dont, but i know deep down)that voldemort cant and i mean CANT become powerful and the hero dies and the world ends with tragic ending and all the mudbloods(excause me)die and the pure bloods and those who he knows will be faithfull to him live, somehow harry will defeat him and he will die when trying...to...kill vodie... :upset: and dumledore will die at the end of um i dunno but he might die....

hmm...think i said enough for a while....

...book 6: lupin coz, he was one of the Ms, and there is a sorta pattern, james dies, sirius dies and lupin is like the next special person to harry soo...um...*i think i goona cry, dont want him to die*
book 7: wormtail! *plz* im not sure about harry or voldemort coz i know (well i dont, but i know deep down)that voldemort cant and i mean CANT become powerful and the hero dies and the world ends with tragic ending and all the mudbloods(excause me)die and the pure bloods and those who he knows will be faithfull to him live, somehow harry will defeat him and he will die when trying...to...kill vodie... :upset: and dumledore will die at the end of um i dunno but he might die....

hmm...think i said enough for a while....

...book 6: lupin because, he was one of the Ms, and there is a sorta pattern, james dies, sirius dies and lupin is like the next special person to harry soo...um...*i think i goona cry, dont want him to die*
book 7: wormtail! *plz* im not sure about harry or voldemort coz i know (well i dont, but i know deep down)that voldemort cant and i mean CANT become powerful and the hero dies and the world ends with tragic ending and all the mudbloods(excause me)die and the pure bloods and those who he knows will be faithfull to him live, somehow harry will defeat him and he will die when trying...to...kill vodie... :upset: and dumledore will die at the end of um i dunno but he might die....

hmm...think i said enough for a while....
random side note... i didn't realize that you had put that twice. so after i read the first one, and started reading the second one, i got all confused and couldn't remember where i had read that post before.... so i started looking through the thread to find it... and then realized that is was right there... wow i'm dense! lol :blush: :huh:

ok I don't think Lupin will die, I think he will marry Tonks and have 12 children. I wish! Lupin might die because of Wormtail's silver hand. I think half the of the people in the order will die. My proof is parts in the OOTP. At first I thought this was funny for some dumb reason, but I think it's a clue to many deaths in the order.

PG: 75, Mrs Weasley says "The meeting is over, you can come and have dinner now everyone is dying to see you"

When Molly is fighting the boggart, She sees everyone dead but Charlie and Ginny, Does that mean everyone will die but Charlie and Ginny?


I think Hagrid will die because his love for monsters. Hagrid will think a monster is good but isn't and it will kill him.

Lucius, I think will either be killed by Voldemort or Bellatrix. I think Draco will be so upset over his dad's death, he goes to the good side.

I have this Theory, That Voldemort will die, and he will turn back into his half-blood self(Tom Riddle). He will lose all his powers and he will have to face all the bad he has done(That what I think the worse thing then death is) Being powerless and facing the pain you caused on people.

Fudge, I think he will be the big death of book 6th, I think a death eater or Voldemort will kill him.

Dumbledore will die at the end of the 7th book, handing in his crown to Ron.
I think Ron will become headmaster and marry Hermonie.

Wormtail will die(Remus might eat him or something)




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i think that either wormtail or dumbledore will die to protect harry. (wormtail? u ask) well in PoA dumbledore says that he is in harry's, dept and someday harry will be grateful. i think he might pull a darth vador in star wars and try to defy voldie for harry. i also think snape will probly die. and one of the weasleys? omg i hope not

I am thinking that wormtail bites the dust as does my beloved Dumbledore :upset:

i think that either wormtail or dumbledore will die to protect harry. (wormtail? u ask) well in PoA dumbledore says that he is in harry's, dept and someday harry will be grateful. i think he might pull a darth vador in star wars and try to defy voldie for harry. i also think snape will probly die. and one of the weasleys? omg i hope not

I think Wormtail is underated, I really like him. I don't think any of the kids are going to die, But I could be wrong. I was shocked when she killed Cedric. To me it was more emotional then Sirius's death.

I think Wormtail is underated, I really like him. I don't think any of the kids are going to die, But I could be wrong. I was shocked when she killed Cedric. To me it was more emotional then Sirius's death.
really? i cried for both... but i think the reason i cried when cedric died, was because i really, just didn't know what was going on. that's what i hate about death in the magic world... it's so sudden, so while it is much less painful for the person who is dying... it's so much harder to register... sirius' death just broke my heart...'cause we were planning on getting married last summer... :upset:

I think some of the Death Eaters will die, like Wormtail. And I think Neville will take out Bellatrix. Some of the Order members will probably die, but I hope it won't be anyone major, like Tonks or Lupin or McGonagall. Harry will very likely kill Voldemort.

And I think Neville will take out Bellatrix.

Ooh, I hope so. I also hope that Lucius Malfoy dies. I mean, attacking other adults is one thing, but he insulted Ginny...

Ooh, I hope so. I also hope that Lucius Malfoy dies. I mean, attacking other adults is one thing, but he insulted Ginny...
I don't know...I'd like him to die, but Lucius seems far too human for a bad guy (in that he's just so NASTY) to die :(

I think that most of the DE's will die in an effort to save Voldemort, who will (hopefully, it would be too horrible to think about if he didn't) die at the end of the series. I really hope that the Trio makes it through the series (that would also be too horrible to think about). I'm also thinking that Dumbledore will have to die for Harry to show his true strength.

I too think that Dumbledore will die and that his death will be the catalyst for Harry to destroy Voldemort. Other major characters on the side of good will also have to die for the story to be credible, but at this point it's difficult to see who.

There are also a large number of people building up out there who do owe Harry a debt in return for him having spared/saved their lives, who may be willing to sacrifice themselves for Harry (if not willing unable to prevent it), of which Wormtail is one. I can't quite see him dying for Harry but I think that the wizard's debt will come back into the story at some point.