Who will fall in love with whom? v2 #1

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ohh first post yha love thread is back

ok now so this wont just be spam.

I am sure every one by now has seen the new HP pic and the addition of Ron Hermione and Ginny to the cover of the HBP. I Have to say that I hope this means that Ginny will be in the book's even more possibly to the point completely infiltrating the trio as possibly Harry's girlfriend....This is all just hopeful thinking I will admit that but that pic sure give's me hope. I all so notice the fact that it is a pic of Ron and Hermione very close together this is probably making some heron shippers very happy and some Harmony shippers a bit aggravated. Over all this may have no real shipping relevance but if it dose it is a bad day for the HMS Harmony

I am sure every one by now has seen the new HP pic and the addition of Ron Hermione and Ginny to the cover of the HBP. I Have to say that I hope this means that Ginny will be in the book's even more possibly to the point compleatly infultrating the trio as possibly Harry's girlfriend....This is all just hopefull thinking I will addmit that but that pic sure give's me hope.

Yah, those were my thoughts when i first saw the pic of Ginny on the cover...but even if Harry and Ginny don't have any kind of romantic relationship in HBP I'm sure that she will at least have a much larger role.....

I, personally am loving it. For sure that is Ginny and having her there can only mean that she will be quite significant in HBP, otherwise why have it? I also think R/Hr look cozy (except for the dark mark above their heads, of course).

Wow, it has been some time since I was here... So a very new thread again huh!
Anyway, I'm still on board of HMS chocolate and Heron and this new countdown of Mary Grandpre is not really evidence, but certainly a hint in the right direction! I'm loving it! :cool:

i'm glad that the love thread is back!!!! :p :p


i believe that ginny will play an important role in the series and hopefully in,harry's life!! :rotfl:

R/Hr is the most possible couple in the next 2 books...

i believe that ginny will play an important role in the series and hopefully in,harry's life!! :rotfl:

R/Hr is the most possible couple in the next 2 books...

Indeed, Heron is the most likely ship to happen, according to canon (especcialy the yule ball scenes and everything involved). I find it very obvious. Chocolate is more a wishful thinking ship, though I see some hints in this direction, apart from the nice mary grandpre-art. I thought the ending scene in the train back to london in OotP was covered with chocolate. Perhaps Rowling was eating chocolate while she wrote it! :p

I, personally am loving it. For sure that is Ginny and having her there can only mean that she will be quite significant in HBP, otherwise why have it? I also think R/Hr look cozy (except for the dark mark above their heads, of course).
While i'm happy that Ginny is (possibly) on the cover, it hasn't been confirmed that it is infact her. There is already a discussion going on on whether it is Ginny or Lily. And even if it is her (which I think it is), that doesn't necessarily mean that she will have an important part to play. Fleur was on the American GoF cover, but she didn't have much of a part to play.

I looked at Mary Granpre's countdown poster, and at first I was aghast. Ginny's position seemed to indicate exactly what I had been dreading, a romantic relationship between Harry and Ginny. However, on further inspection my mood improved. When you compare Ron and Ginny's expressions, they are rather similar. Hermione's face, however, has IMO a scared expression. The discovery brought me a sigh of relief.

I, personally am loving it. For sure that is Ginny and having her there can only mean that she will be quite significant in HBP, otherwise why have it? I also think R/Hr look cozy (except for the dark mark above their heads, of course).

I see this as a faulty argument. First off, there is no precedent to your claims. Each book has its own cover and many variations of that cover depending on the edition and location of the book. In further examination of each cover we see there is usually a scene or person of importance, yes. However, this does not equate to a love interest.

The traditional, and oft-used, cover of Philosophers Stone is Harry standing on Platform 9 & 3/4's with the Hogwarts Express train behind him. This shows us a scene from the book, perhaps one of Harry's most important first interactions with the world of magic. Character wise the cover is lacking, we have one central figure, and a background. Nothing else.

For the Chamber of Secrets cover the often used image is the one that contains Ron and Harry Flying in Ron's family car on the way to Hogwarts. Again this has nothing to do with a love scene, but rather a scene from the book which was both enjoyable and told us more about the world that Harry and Co lives in.

Prisoner of Azkaban usually contains an image of Harry and Hermione flying on Buckbeak. Now this has been questioned as a possible love setting image/forshadowing. However, I think the cover merely falls into the category of what we have seen so far. A scene from the book in which the reader is drawn into. The flight of BuckBeak, to me, is important because it has many points of interest. Harry trying to save Sirius, Harry and Hermione using the Time Turner, Dumbledore's first overt interference with events to ensure Harry accomplishes something and so on. I dont think it has anything to do with romance.

The Goblet of Fire returns us to a single Harry image, focusing on his first trial and perhaps a point in which the image helps our imagination out. No other characters in this cover, we've had a Harry solo, we've had a Harry and Ron cover, and a Harry & Herione cover. This takes us back to a Harry solo, but keeps with the point of interest, namely an event that takes place within the book in which we find something interesting, or enjoyable.

The Order of the Phoenix continues with the tradition that is thus far established. We have a single image of Harry in a dark room with doors all around him. Obviously he is in the Ministry exploring the rooms seeking Sirius. Again, we have a scene of great interest to both Harry and us, it is the desperate search for Sirius and the discovery of the trippy things in the Ministry. But again no love foreshadowing.

Now for the latest book, Half Blood Prince. The image provided is not the cover, but rather a part of the promotional display to sell the books (IE Day count down). Ginny (if it is her), Ron and Hermione do not appear on the cover of Book six. Furthermore, your argument could be used in saying the same thing for a Harry & Herimone pairing. I dont think your argument works...

Thats my say...

What I'm hoping is that Ginny is there on the cover because she's going to be more involved. I have wanted to hear more about Ginny since the Chamber of Secrets and slowly I'm getting my wish. Also as much as I want Ginny and Harry together I do have to say that the new image doesn't necessarily mean that Ginny is going to be with Harry and Ron is going to be with Hermione. It could just mean that Ginny is more important to this story.

Mary Granpre's Promotional Stand (http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/hbpstandee.jpg)

Alright, for the sake of arguing, I've taken the time to cut up this VERY large picture to implement my point on the expressions of Ginny, Ron, and Hermione.

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22139&stc=1

Ron and Ginny both have very resolute expressions, while Hermione looks either awed or scared due to her raised eyebrows and slightly open mouth. I lean toward scared. I also believe that the grouping is due to Ron and Hermione being his best friends, and were thus grouped together on one side. I have also heard some very compelling arguments that it is not in fact Ginny, but instead is Lily. This would make more sense from a non-shipping perspective.

Oh, a new thread! I had been getting LT withdrawal symptoms.

Ok, I'm going to start by saying my ships:


Chocolate. This is my first and foremost ship. Before it was Heron, but I have now made this scrumptious ship my new one. I have written an essay about the symbolism and parallels in the Chamber which relate to the fairytale of Sleeping Beauty.

Heron. As mentioned before, I also ship this. I still ship it passionately, but not quite as passionate as Chocolate. For me, I feel that this is the most likely ship and has been noted as the most positively viewed in JKR's interviews and the movies, and not to mention the overwhelming mass of canon.

Moonchild. Many people don't take this seriously, but I do. I can understand why though. Not only is this ship a romantic one, but it will also bring a lot into the story, plot-wise, as this will finally unite the houses that the Sorting Hat preaches about. I have written one essay about this and I have a website. (see sig for these things)

Emerald Flower. This is more lighter ship, and though there might not be actual evidence of it happening, I think it's a nice ship to have in the background.
Candy. Ok, I admit, I only ship this because I just wanna see Neville get some sweet candy. I always vouch for the underdog getting a hottie...

For newcomers onto the thread, some of the above names may have sent your head swimming. For all things Love Thread, go to The Love Thread Dictionary (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=47865) and I'm sure you'll find the terminology that you're looking for.

Ciao bellas

I find it interesting to compare the response that both Ginny and Luna have when seeing Harry for the first time and realizing who he is.

Ginny is embarrassed and does the fleeing response to Harry's presence. Ginny is also quite taken by Harry at the beginning and looks at him with admiration or in a day dreamy sense. Even when Harry realizes this he never approaches Ginny in any way to give us an indication that he has any feelings for her other than friendship. Those friendly emotions remain the same through out the five books and show no sign of intensifying.

In a way Ginny's response and others around Harry such as Cho Chang who have shown a liking to him may shed some light as to why I think Luna is herself attracted to Harry.

Evidence can be given to Luna's secret desires from the first time they meet:'Had a good summer, Luna?' Ginny asked.
'Yes,' said Luna dreamily, without taking he eyes off Harry.
'Yes it was quite enjoyable, you know. Your Harry Potter,' she added.Later on a they are about to disembark the Hogwarts express, Luna offers to carry Hedwigs cage for Harry and he is quiet taken back by this on page 177.

In that one chapter alone Luna shows affections, she is dreamy eyed over Harry. Harry's response at first is based solely on Ron's attitude towards Luna and he believes her to be crazy on first glances because of his friend’s opinion. By the end of the book there is a change in this first assumption, Harry turns directly to Luna, the one he thought was barking mad at the beginning of the book, the one he felt was hallucinating about the winged horses. Not once has Harry turned to any other character with such intimate feelings, not even Hermione, Ginny, Cho or his best friend Ron. By the end of the book Harry has seen something in Luna that most others have not, someone who he feels can keep a secret, someone he can trust above all others and that is long way off from the crazy Luna he first thought he saw.

Edit: I am heading towards the ships Moonchild and Heron.

Perhaps Luna and Harry will build on this trust and maybe it could blossom into a loving relationship.

In that one chapter alone Luna shows affections, she is dreamy eyed over Harry. Harry's response at first is based solely on Ron's attitude towards Luna and he believes her to be crazy on first glances because of his friend’s opinion. By the end of the book there is a change in this first assumption, Harry turns directly to Luna, the one he thought was barking mad at the beginning of the book, the one he felt was hallucinating about the winged horses. Not once has Harry turned to any other character with such intimate feelings, not even Hermione, Ginny, Cho or his best friend Ron. By the end of the book Harry has seen something in Luna that most others have not, someone who he feels can keep a secret, someone he can trust above all others and that is long way off from the crazy Luna he first thought he saw.

I think that from the beginning of OotP to the end, Harry's view on Luna has changed dramatically. Ironic, even. As we know, Harry is a lot more different to what we've seen before, and now he's really learning about himself and his position in the WW. Harry's views are changing, and I expect them to change even more.


Edit: I am heading towards the ships Moonchild and Heron.


Fantastic! Moonchild is rather a nice ship.

Oh...did you mean Moonlight when you said Moonchild?

I think that from the beginning of OotP to the end, Harry's view on Luna has changed dramatically. Ironic, even. As we know, Harry is a lot more different to what we've seen before, and now he's really learning about himself and his position in the WW. Harry's views are changing, and I expect them to change even more.



Fantastic! Moonchild is rather a nice ship.

Oh...did you mean Moonlight when you said Moonchild?I meant Moonlight but Moonchild does sound interesting too as I have a feeling Luna and Hermione could both fall in love in the next book, not just one character. I am new to the ships and still pretty unsure as to who will fall in love with whom.

I might dig around and see where the change of perspective really begins to happen. I think it is when Harry finds out that Luna's mother died as Harry has shown affection for the likes of Cho when she lost Cedric even though he felt a little responsible. Luna and Harry both witnessed there mother dieing so it would make sense that he turns to Luna when Harry sees Sirius die. That conversation must have been hard on both Luna and Harry as it would have brought back memories of her mother dieing due to a spell and yet Luna remained strong for Harry.

Evidence can be given to Luna's secret desires from the first time they meet:Later on a they are about to disembark the Hogwarts express, Luna offers to carry Hedwigs cage for Harry and he is quiet taken back by this on page 177.
Sorry first a bit of canon correction, Luna offered to carry Pig, here's the canon on that...

I'll carry that owl, if you like', said Luna to Harry, reaching out for Pigwidgeon as Neville stowed Trevor carefully in an inside pocket.
'Oh - er - thanks', said Harry, handing her the cage and hoisting Hedwig's more securely into his arms.
<snip>
'Thanks', said Hermione, relieving Ginny of the cat. 'Come on, let's get a carriage together before they all fill up..."
'I haven't got Pig yet!' Ron said, but Hermione was already heading off towards the nearest unoccupied coach. Harry remained behind with Ron.
<snip> Talk of threstals
Luna appeared holding Pigwidgeon's cage in her arms; the tiny owl was twittering excitedly as usual.
'Here you are', she said. 'He's a sweet little owl, isn't he?'
'Er... yeah... he's all right', said Ron gruffly. 'Well, come on then, let's get in... what were you saying, Harry?'

I see this as a faulty argument. First off, there is no precedent to your claims. Each book has its own cover and many variations of that cover depending on the edition and location of the book. In further examination of each cover we see there is usually a scene or person of importance, yes. However, this does not equate to a love interest.
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Now for the latest book, Half Blood Prince. The image provided is not the cover, but rather a part of the promotional display to sell the books (IE Day count down). Ginny (if it is her), Ron and Hermione do not appear on the cover of Book six. Furthermore, your argument could be used in saying the same thing for a Harry & Herimone pairing. I dont think your argument works...
IMHO the important thing about this artwork, is that it is either sideflap or art for the back, either way it will be on the dust cover for HBP, there is precedence for this, remember the stands for Order? They had Lupin, Mad-Eye and Tonks beside Harry and they were on the back. The fact that Hermione, Ron and Ginny are on this cover would indicate their growing signifigance to either Harry and/or the plot. Shippy wise I'd say only Ron and Hermione's placement shows anything if anything at all (together).
And it is Ginny(well ok I very strongly think it is ;) ), looking at some of MG's earlier drawings of both Lily and Ginny, Lily's hair stopped at her shoulders and her face shape is all wrong, however this depiction on the HBP artstand resembles heavily Ginny from the Chamber of Secrets Dustcover, like I said at the top here IMHO.

Ron And Hermione All The Waaaaaaaaaay


Edit by CoS Staff:
Please note one of the points of the new Love Thread rules:

One-Line Posts. One-line posts are not desirable within The Love Thread. Many posters will agree that the issues pertaining to love and relationships within the series are too complex to be summarised in one sentence. Continual one-line posts with no attempt to add anything new to the discussion is not acceptable behaviour.

It's noticeable that this character on the promotional stand got no jacket, nor any t-shirt on unlike Ron and Hermione on the left.

The possibility that this is indeed Lily is just as high as to say its Ginny. The reason for this lies in the fact that she seems to look up, even if she got a hair whats till the shoulders, we wouldn't see it.

To this comes this person is standing alone this means either others are cut out or just not there. However as it was said above the cover won't tell whether H/G is going to happen or play a role at all in this book. Neither does it tell us whether R/Hr is going to happen.

In previous covers by the same artist were several characters already on the cover, even those who died in the book. It's unreasonable to assume H/Hr will not happen because of this cover.

Until we hear evidence that Mary Granpre has read the book or JK Rowling has specifically told her about any possible romantic pairings, I believe that to use this as possible evidence for shipping is the same as looking at that bloomsbury sign that came out on valentine's day. That didn't actually show an opinion, while this one just shows the opinion that Mary sees Ginny as more important than Neville, Luna or any other character.

ETA: RonShudn'tDie, while I agree with the sentiment try to keep one liners like that out of the LT.

And Corbin, you really should try for another sig pic, poor bruce willis' face is covered up. :p

ETA 2: Thanks Corbin. I stand corrected. Debate away.

I have a strange request for all of the Harmonians (Herons may respond, as well, but I'm really looking for Harmonian responses).

My request is Harmonian(s) (not generalized) perception or perceptions of the Platonic Quote. This is just for purely self-educating purposes and might add to an essay I am thinking about writing (the purpose of this essay will not be to say that Harmony is sunk). I will appreciate all responses and I don't seek to antagonize anyone.

I will request to all those not adding something constructive, to not respond to responses generated by this query. I would also advise people responding to this, to use the Quote button so that the my second request will be there for all to see. If a possible respondent is worried about responding in the LT, then you may OWL me.

Here is the quote in it's entirety...

October 20, 1999

SB: Yes. Um, is there anything that you’d want to add?

JKR: No, I’ll see one more question, cause we really didn’t get an answer for that.

SB: Very good.

JKR: *looking through questions* No, don’t like that one. Oh, I like this one… do Harry and Hermione have a date? [laughter] No. They are – they’re very platonic friends. But I won’t answer for anyone else, nudge, nudge, wink, wink. [laughter and sound of kids going “Aaah!”]

Thank you for all those who respond and all those who respect the respondents not to argue what I have asked them for.

-The Leprechaun

Until we hear evidence that Mary Granpre has read the book or JK Rowling has specifically told her about any possible romantic pairings, I believe that to use this as possible evidence for shipping is the same as looking at that bloomsbury sign that came out on valentine's day.
Mary herself has said she has read HBP and in the past has done so with each of the books to come up with her illustrations, links at Mugglenet and TLC I believe
This post by Polychrome in the Unfogging the HBP Coverart Thread explains alot...
Polychrome's post #973 (http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=2058092&postcount=973)
Cheers
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And it is Ginny(well ok I very strongly think it is ), looking at some of MG's earlier drawings of both Lily and Ginny, Lily's hair stopped at her shoulders and her face shape is all wrong, however this depiction on the HBP artstand resembles heavily Ginny from the Chamber of Secrets Dustcover, like I said at the top here IMHO.

Would you be able to post the pictures, or provide a link to where they are on the internet.

It's just that I have the english books, so I can't compare these pictures, I have had a quick look but can't find them (I am at work so...)

I am not contradicting you, I want it to be Ginny and it would be nice to have something to back it up with :p

I think that James would be there if it was Lily, even though we know something important about Lily is coming up. As an artist, I believe it would provide a better balance to the picture if it was James and Lily, to Ron and Hermione. Two people on each side.

As it is, it seems a little lobsided :huh:

It's noticeable that this character on the promotional stand got no jacket, nor any t-shirt on unlike Ron and Hermione on the left.

The possibility that this is indeed Lily is just as high as to say its Ginny. The reason for this lies in the fact that she seems to look up, even if she got a hair whats till the shoulders, we wouldn't see it.

To this comes this person is standing alone this means either others are cut out or just not there. However as it was said above the cover won't tell whether H/G is going to happen or play a role at all in this book. Neither does it tell us whether R/Hr is going to happen.

In previous covers by the same artist were several characters already on the cover, even those who died in the book. It's unreasonable to assume H/Hr will not happen because of this cover.

I agree that at this point I can't say, either way for sure that it is Ginny, I will also admit that I thought about the clothes thing as well. I would still like to see a Lily and Ginny picture by the same artist so I can judge for myself though.

Until we hear evidence that Mary Granpre has read the book or JK Rowling has specifically told her about any possible romantic pairings, I believe that to use this as possible evidence for shipping is the same as looking at that bloomsbury sign that came out on valentine's day.

Mary Grandpre has read HBP, she has said so in an article that was posted in the Mugglenet New News section. It is either about the Hard Work she does or comes along with the HBP cover.

About the Bloomsbury/Scholastic sign thing, they had also read the book by Valentine's Day. They had the Manuscript in December, and had to design the length of the book (which came out in Jan, I think).

No, offense intended in this post, but both groups have read the book and most likely have some reasons for why Ginny may have be in either picture (by illustration or name).

I agree with you FP (do you mind if I call you that? It's just easier), the HBP promotional stand artwork doesn't show anything, shippy-wise. Harry and Dumbledore are together looking in the pensieve, and Ron and Hermione are at the bottom, together. They're only really there because they are prominent characters in the books and they make the trio a trio. Nothing shippy there, and this is coming from a Heronian.

As for the Lily?/Ginny? thing, I don't really know what to make of it. It could be Ginny, it could be Lily. However, if it's Lily I think it's just something to do with the plot, as I think it is if it was Ginny as well. If it was Ginny, it doesn't make sense that she's away from Ron and Hermione. Why would the artist seperate her from the others? This shows to me that it's possible that it's actually Lily, not Ginny. Also by the clarity of the facial features. Ron and Hermione's facial features are really clear, but mysterious!girl's aren't. They're cloudy, which to me I get the feeling that it's something to do with the long gone past, ie Lily.

Really, I don't think the covers have anything shippy-wise. Unless, of course, one came out and Harry was having a good old pash with a girl, then I would think otherwise.

I stand corrected. Harry choose Luna instead of his friends to talk about Sirius Black's death and that suggests a greater affection for Luna compared with the friendship seen between himself and Ron or Hermione.Harry thought of the sinister winged horses he had seen on the night he had arrived and how Luna had said she could see them too. His spirits sank slightly. Had she been lying?Ernie Macmillan at this point interrupts Harry's thoughts on the matter. Harry appears to be a little unset at the thought Luna may have lied to him, so much so that it made him sink a little.

In the book Harry thinks Luna is barking mad like most others and can not understand what it is like to be ridiculed in such a way. That is until people start suggesting shock treatment and calling him barking mad because of the interview in The Quibbler. Harry at this point can finally relate to what Luna must feel every time someone says she is crazy, I guess something else they had in common that year.

Luna is also Ginny's best friend so she will know quite a lot about Harry considering Ginny at first could not stop talking about him.

cerussite,
here you go, if you go to here The Hogwarts Gallery (http://www.hogwarts-gallery.org/hogwartsgallery/category.php), which is attatched the the FLoo Network, you can find a lot of artwork...
The Mirror of Erised (http://www.hogwarts-gallery.org/hogwartsgallery/picture.php?cat=169&image_id=3391&expand=169)

The back of The Scholastic Chamber of Secrets (http://www.hogwarts-gallery.org/hogwartsgallery/picture.php?cat=169&image_id=152&expand=169)


Lani, here's what I was talking about earlier The Order stand like the HBP one (http://www.hogwarts-gallery.org/hogwartsgallery/picture.php?cat=169&image_id=199&expand=169)
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Lani, here's what I was talking about earlier The Order stand like the HBP one (http://www.hogwarts-gallery.org/hogwartsgallery/picture.php?cat=169&image_id=199&expand=169)
Cheers
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No, I know what you mean. I more meant that no offical artwork of which has been presented, covers or countdowns, gives any sets any sort of precedence towards the shipping debate. I agree that it might offer more clues about the book as a whole, or a certain scene, but there is no evidence to proove that its implying Ginny as a love interest for Harry. At best it implies Ginny will have a slightly larger role in the book... But then again, Tonks, Lupin, and Moody didnt exactly have a big role to play in OotP either... ^_^

No, I know what you mean. I more meant that no offical artwork of which has been presented, covers or countdowns, gives any sets any sort of precedence towards the shipping debate. I agree that it might offer more clues about the book as a whole, or a certain scene, but there is no evidence to proove that its implying Ginny as a love interest for Harry. At best it implies Ginny will have a slightly larger role in the book... But then again, Tonks, Lupin, and Moody didnt exactly have a big role to play in OotP either... ^_^
and I agree on that,the shippyness. The Tonks, Lupin and Moody thing I always connected as the Order or the Phoenix Harry is mostly around, the primary people of his Guard and I thought that important, but that's just me and that's a Hindsight observation. Ship wise, the only thing, if it is at all, is the Ron and Hermione part and again, I say if it is at all, we'll probably know July 16th around 7pm my time, when I anticipate being done with my first read ;)
Cheers

As for the Lily?/Ginny? thing, I don't really know what to make of it. It could be Ginny, it could be Lily. However, if it's Lily I think it's just something to do with the plot, as I think it is if it was Ginny as well. If it was Ginny, it doesn't make sense that she's away from Ron and Hermione. Why would the artist seperate her from the others? This shows to me that it's possible that it's actually Lily, not Ginny. Also by the clarity of the facial features. Ron and Hermione's facial features are really clear, but mysterious!girl's aren't. They're cloudy, which to me I get the feeling that it's something to do with the long gone past, ie Lily.

Of course you may call me FP :)
As for the picture, let me bring up my theory about the relation of books then you see that if its indeed Ginny then I don't think its anything possitive about this.
Like you stated its strange that this girl is bit foggy, that her shoulders are bare and that she is completely alone at the right side. The faces are either determined or angry (Ron). Its a serious scene, I think its the most serious scene one saw yet one any cover of USA.

This said if this girl is Ginny then I'm afraid this lead me to think that this gives further weight to my theory which is about chains and mirroring.

In this I said PoA is mirrored by OotP. In PoA Sirius comes on the stage, is rescued by Harry just so to be killed of in OotP.
If HBP mirrors or reflect CoS then is it likely that Harry might not be able to safe Ginny in HBP this did explain the faceual impression by Dumbledore, Harry, Ron and Hermione. It did explain why Ginny is seperated, why she appears that foggy.

I stated before on GoF's cover already were characters shown which died later in this book.

Therefor I think we rather go with the Lily theory ;)

ron n hermione
harry n luna
draco n millicent

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First of all, if the chracter on the right of the picture is Ginny, I think we can say that she will be (more) important than before.
Ofcourse Fleur was on the cover of GOF, and her role wasn't that big, but we didn't know anything about Fleur or the TWT, and she was more like a symbol.
However, we do know Ginny, so if she is the character on the right there must be something important to her.

Second: I don't think it's Ginny. She looks too mature and she has not clothes on, besides that, she doesn't have as much detail in her face and hair, and she looks very pale, a bit ghostlike. So I think it is Lily and not Ginny.

Anyway, that doesn't make me sad at all, because I'm certain Ginny will play a big role in HBP :D

My ships:

Chocolate
Heron
Moonlight
Red Moon

Hey Ilse just wondering, how can you ship Heron, Chocolate, Moonlight and Red Moon at the same time? Just curious.


Second: I don't think it's Ginny. She looks too mature and she has not clothes on, besides that, she doesn't have as much detail in her face and hair, and she looks very pale, a bit ghostlike. So I think it is Lily and not Ginny.



Not only that, but there is also the pensieve to consider. Perhaps what Harry is seeing relates to something with Lily.

Sorry for being OT here, but I know that the cover is likely to be discussed anyway.

Excuse me, but does anyone have a link for this new picture? Sorry that it's a one-liner, but if I knew, I could probably discuss better.

My Ships:
Heron
Chocolate
Weasleycourt

Hey Ilse just wondering, how can you ship Heron, Chocolate, Moonlight and Red Moon at the same time? Just curious.


It's hard, but possible. ;)
I like all of these ships (although Heron and Chocolate are my nr. 1 ships, because I loved them since the first (two) book(s)), so if Red Moon or Moonlight would work out, I'd be a bit sad because I like Chocolate and Heron very much, but I think that Red Moon/Moonlight would also make a wonderfull ship, and I really like to see it happen.

I know that I'll be dissapointed in the next books, but that's okay, maybe it's easier to already know that some ships you like won't happen, I just hope that if one of my ships doesn't sail it's because on of the others did... :D

on the hbp promotion stand...

well on the left we have hermione and ron, looking up at harry and dumbledore and standng very close together, i'm prety sure that scenes been done before. Thats easy to understand. ron and hermione are close, and throught both care about harry, there some things he has to do alone. BUT dumbledore is WITH harry ! this surgest that there going to be both very close in this book. around the pillar we have a image made of light that looks like a snake, probaly a symbol of the coming war with lord V. and on the right we have a half formed image of red headed female figure, proberly lilly as were surpose to learn alot about lilly in this book.

I don't think stand has much to do with shipping to be honest.

on moonlight...

i think the relationship between harry and luna is an intresting one. on one hand we have harry whos insanly bravecareing, emtional, strong willed, stubon , slighly arogent, charismatic and dislike attention. luna on the other hand seems quite the reverse being rather unemontional, calm, uncharismatic, very sure of herself,honest and dosn't seem to care about what people think about her.

what does harry give luna?
by the end of ootp harry takes luna serously, something very few people do he also bring her into friendship ground, meaning far from alone for once. harry also has plenty of wiedness in his life, something that luna seem to thrive in.

what does luna give harry?
someone who will listen, nothing freaks her out and she will stay calm however much harry rages at her. something that hermione and ron can't do. (getting scaried). she also seems be able help harry deal with death, something he's going to see plenty of..

what would happen if did date?
it would attract alot of attention, but then again any relationship harry going to get in will attract alot of attention. however given luna looness she would proberly attract the lion share or quickly divert any attention toward her which is aimed at harry. hermione and ron would proberly be telling harry to NOT to date her first off. but would proberly except her before too long. ginny would proberly be ok with it stright away.


well thats my views....

(Apologies in advance for coming off a bit controversial or even cynical and offensive to some in this post)

First off, I'm not a traditional 'shipper', although I do think the potential pairings are very important in terms of character development, plot, and because these books (and films) have huge cultural impact.

Having said that, re: the 'mystery girl' in the new HBP promo - my money's on Ginny, and in view of the pretty obvious 'hints' in OotP and even GoF (which have been hugely, and rightly flagged by 'Chocolaters'), it looks like Harry and Ginny might get closer etc. Ditto Ron and Hermione ... and one big happy Weasley family reigns supreme at the end of Book 7 ... which I would find extremely disappointing.

The Weasleys aren't a bad bunch - in fact I rather like the twins and Arthur too, although Molly, to my mind, is a nightmare, and is also the epitome of cultural conservatism, (domesticity, idealised motherhood, Daily Prophet reader/believer ... etc).

Ron can be very funny. He is sharp-witted undoubtedly, but he is also mentally lazy, non-challenging, a little bit shallow really - sure, he's a likeable, steady, normal, 'laid-back' sort of chap, but that's about it. And to my mind, that's not enough because he is clearly on course to being Hermione's significant other, (everything points to it) but, for my part, he's simply not good enough for her. (I understand there are a lot of Ron-fans - sorry).

On the other hand, Hermione is a marvellous creation. She is kooky and enormously clever, brilliantly individual, has an active sense of justice; she is definitely not run-of-the-mill. Such a fantastically realised character who deserves more than the consolation prize. The Weasleys (that mother for sure) will swamp her. (A suitable conclusion for Hermione too could be no match-up at all actually - she doesn't need a guy ... but as this is a shipping thread I guess I'll keep to the subject).

As for Ginny - she seems a nice enough girl, and her potential love-story is sweet enough, in that she fancied Harry for years and chased the train and was rescued by him etc, etc ... but I really hope there's more to come, and it probably needs to be 'dark' to enliven her character. What we have now is the stereotypical popular, pretty, sporty, trendy ladette teenager, who's Harry's best mate's kid sister who he'll suddenly realise is really pretty and really up for him (all along) etc - nothing wrong with that per se - but pairing her with Harry will be cliche city. (Personally I would like dorky Neville to get the popular, pretty girl - only seems fair).

If Harry the hero was paired with Hermione, now that would be original! The nerdy, brainy, intense, so-called plain (in that she's not conventional hottie material) girl gets the hero - we don't see too much of that. They have their famous 'platonic' relationship, and it's a very powerful friendship, for sure - but friends can and do become happy lovers, often forging long-term loving relationships, (although maybe not when they're teenagers, which might explain of course the books' direction too). Harry is a fascinating character, with much more to come - Harry and Hermione have progressed most in terms of character development, and frankly, moved away from Ron on many levels.

The constant bickering between Ron/Hr is often cited as proof of their romantic destiny - and indeed, according to most conventional screwball romantic comedy genre it is ... this is where these books seem headed too. But it's a tired formula. The bickering is meant to indicate potential sexual tempestuousness, buried attraction ... It excludes the fact that Ron and Hermione are intellectually and emotionally incompatible (I could go on here but it would require a bigger, meatier post, and has been done better by others).

Finally, and I know it's sacriliege to bring up non-canon texts, but in the films, if the Ron/Hr pairing is to truly work on-screen, in time (it's not an urgent issue yet), they need a more fiery, non-peevish, complex characterisation for Ron - I'm not blaming Rupert Grint (well, not entirely) - it's the direction and the screenplay ... there might be blatant HINTS etc at Ron/Hr that you'd have to be blind, deaf and dumb not to pick up on, but the emotional intensity -- in PoA at any rate -- is very much between the Harry/Hr characters. That's only right, this is Harry's story after all - but Hermione's character too is gaining strength, book by book. For the clearly-favoured Ron/Hr and Harry/Ginny pairings to emerge, we'll have to see a lot less of Hermione unfortunately in Books 6 and 7.

Sorry this is so long. I've never posted in the love threads before and had a lot to get off my chest,

Ah hah, here we are back again, good. I was starting to miss this discussion.

Right then I think I'll continue a tradition that I started a few threads back but one I feel is probably more important now than it has been. To avoid any confusion and to let all and sundry know where I am coming from on the subject allow me to lay a few cards out on the table.

This will be pretty much a rehash of what I've posted in past threads with a few additions but I feel the main points still bear repeating, more so now.

Out of the three most prominent ship groups the ones I personally favour are Hermione/Ron (usually called Heron from Hermione and Ron :eyebrows:) and Harry/Ginny (mostly called Chocolate from the OOTP easter egg scene between the two in the library).

Why does a guy my age get involved in what many see as a discussion on a somewhat silly subject in a bunch of "kid's books"? Well simple really, it's a good bit of fun. Like much of my peer group I'd heard about Harry Potter through the news and seeing stories of it's popularity among the younger set. I figured at the time it was just another fad that would come and go in due course, this wasn't aided by the contempt that I held (and still do to a point) for much of the current popular youth culture be it music, tv, films or books. Well that changed when I rented Philosopher's Stone on a whim from my local video store (it was actually on a free rental voucher) and I was so impressed by the story and the production I literally went out and bought the book the next day.

One of the things that's always impressed me about the works is how Jo Rowling managed to present such ordinary characters, that is characters with average everyday flaws even though they are in an exceptional setting. This is essentially a coming of age series and one of the major developments in anyone's teen years is the notice and appreciation of the opposite sex, from 'cooties to curls' if you will. While not the centre of the story how our characters deal with this is significant and can make for some entertaining reading and even more entertaining speculation.

Well then to the point, why do I ship the way I do?

Well I primarily favour the Ron/Hermione combination for a couple of reasons. First of all, in my opinion, it's an obvious one that has been pretty clear in the books, particularly from POA on. Hermione was the first to indicate the possibiliy to me while Ron at the time remained very much the adolescent boy but I feel he's begun to catch on toward the end of OOTP. The other reason I feel this will go ahead is that Ron and Hermione both play significant, if different, roles as Harry's friends and supporters. IMO In the unlikely event of a Harry/Hermione relationship coming forward, Ron's part in the trio would be significantly diminished while were the Ron/Hermione pairing to come about both could remain Harry's good friends while their closeness could actually strengthen their abilities and value to Harry. 'But won't Harry be jealous of them?' I hear you ask. Not if Harry doesn't feel that way about Hermioine and despite what supporters of a Harry/Hermione ship have said in the past about their feelings being apparent I don't believe that there is anything that's been presented that cannot also be interpreted as the relationship between good friends.

The other ship I favour is a bit more speculative at this stage though I feel that Ginny is the most likely candidate for Harry's romantic attention even if neither seem to be rushing toward one another at this stage. Mainly I feel that Ginny is one of the few girls in the series, the other main one being Luna, who can reach Harry on an emotional level. A lot of this boils down to their similarities both in personality and in shared experience. Both are strong willed, powerful in the craft, brave, athletic and both have a certain disregard for the rules when they stand in the way of the greater good. That and they have both been touched by Voldemort, and a couple of passages in the books, specifically the dementor in the train scene in POA and the Christmas scene when Ginny reminded Harry that she to had been posessed by Voldemort, have given me reason to suspect we haven't yet seen the full extent or repercussions of Ginny's experience. That and I really like them as a couple.

Anyway I've included links to editorials on both ships in my signature, editorials that explain things much more eloquently than this over the hill High School English drop out can.

Well I'll just finish off by saying that all of the above is opinion and speculation, my life won't be shattered if none of it comes to pass. After all this is Jo Rowling's work and, like most if not all here, I have great faith that whatever happens she won't let us down.

That's it, I'm looking forward to seeing just how this discussion progresses from here.

cerussite,
here you go, if you go to here The Hogwarts Gallery, which is attatched the the FLoo Network, you can find a lot of artwork...
The Mirror of Erised

The back of The Scholastic Chamber of Secrets

Ta Corbin Dallas

That's only right, this is Harry's story after all - but Hermione's character too is gaining strength, book by book. For the clearly-favoured Ron/Hr and Harry/Ginny pairings to emerge, we'll have to see a lot less of Hermione unfortunately in Books 6 and 7.

You see, this is what I think favours Ginny or Luna, if Harry has a romance with Hermione all the books almost will be a romance, because they have most of their lessons together they study together and spend free time together. However if it is some one in another year, Harry will still have his lessons with hermione and study with her (he needs her to organise him :evil: ) But he can spend some of his free time with some one else. That way romance remains a subplot rather than overshadowing everthing else.
But that's working under the assumption that romance will remain a subplot of course

If Harry the hero was paired with Hermione, now that would be original! The nerdy, brainy, intense, so-called plain (in that she's not conventional hottie material) girl gets the hero

Main girl getting the hero isn't original IMO, it is a convention, just like the bickering couple is (This is not really my area of expertise though, if I have any that is). However you have Ron who is somewhat shallow about girls looks, and was rather vocal about in in GoF getting together with a bookish and plain Hermione, and you have Hermione, who is a genius and places much emphises on studying, paired with the not so smart Ron (excluding chess of course ;) )

Ah, it's back! :)

About the HBP promotional art: I don't believe any of it is necessarily shippy, but Ron and Hermione look rather close--even cuddled up--and I believe that may hint of shippiness.

I also believe the figure on the right is Ginny. The figure looks more like an older version of CoS Back Cover Ginny (http://www.hogwarts-gallery.org/hogwartsgallery/picture.php?cat=169&image_id=152&expand=169) than she looks like Mirror of Erised Lily (http://www.hogwarts-gallery.org/hogwartsgallery/picture.php?cat=169&image_id=3391&expand=169). The shape of HBP covergirl's face is much more similar to CoS Ginny's than Erised Lily's... Lily's face is thinner and her features a bit sharper. And Lily's hair is straighter, darker, and shorter than HBP girl's hair.

Also, it wouldn't make sense to put Lily on the same level as Ron and Hermione all alone, i.e. without anyone else from her generation.

Is it shippy? I don't think so. However, it's certainly not a negative sign for Harry/Ginny shippers. Dean Thomas doesn't appear in the pic ;) and it does appear that the Weasleys will have a significant presence in HBP. All in all, I think the cover has some slightly positive imagry for Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny shippers.

Ah, it's back! :)

About the HBP promotional art: I don't believe any of it is necessarily shippy, but Ron and Hermione look rather close--even cuddled up--and I believe that may hint of shippiness.

I also believe the figure on the right is Ginny. The figure looks more like an older version of CoS Back Cover Ginny (http://www.hogwarts-gallery.org/hogwartsgallery/picture.php?cat=169&image_id=152&expand=169) than she looks like Mirror of Erised Lily (http://www.hogwarts-gallery.org/hogwartsgallery/picture.php?cat=169&image_id=3391&expand=169). The shape of HBP covergirl's face is much more similar to CoS Ginny's than Erised Lily's... Lily's face is thinner and her features a bit sharper. And Lily's hair is straighter, darker, and shorter than HBP girl's hair.

Also, it wouldn't make sense to put Lily on the same level as Ron and Hermione all alone, i.e. without anyone else from her generation.

Is it shippy? I don't think so. However, it's certainly not a negative sign for Harry/Ginny shippers. Dean Thomas doesn't appear in the pic ;) and it does appear that the Weasleys will have a significant presence in HBP. All in all, I think the cover has some slightly positive imagry for Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny shippers.


:clap: Yay new thread, so here's my two sickles (needs to really quit that) on it. I don't see it as shippy but there is a twinge of it with r/hr. but here's where I disagree. I do think it is lily, since we were told that something huge will be reveal about her character. So it only seems pausible to put her on the cover. even if that was ginny, I still wouldn't consider it shippy, because that scene could be from somewhere else completly. The idea behind things that that are to get us talking about the book (as if we weren't already) and to create a buzz. *now i'm just blabbering* I swear there is a point in that.

Just a sidenote* those of you who are new to the love thread, or those of you who wanna add ships(NEW!including named fanfiction) head on over to the Love Thread Dictionary, by clicking the link in my sig.

Hello all! I wanted to post (I haven't in a long time due to the poor conditions) to congratulate the Admins for the new revolutionary setup that is now enforced in this thread. I think that the new moderation rules and the penalities will lead to a better environment for discussion.

Kudos and happy debate all!! :)

Yay new thread, so here's my two sickles (needs to really quit that) on it. I don't see it as shippy but there is a twinge of it with r/hr. but here's where I disagree. I do think it is lily, since we were told that something huge will be reveal about her character. So it only seems pausible to put her on the cover. even if that was ginny, I still wouldn't consider it shippy, because that scene could be from somewhere else completly. The idea behind things that that are to get us talking about the book (as if we weren't already) and to create a buzz. *now i'm just blabbering* I swear there is a point in that.

I thought the huge thing about Lily was to be in the final book, not six. I will try to look up the quotes when I get home.

I am still undecided to tell the truth, every time I open the picture my first instinct is Ginny, yet I will of course admit the possibility of it being Lily. I will also agree though that it doesn't necessarily mean any thing shippy. It could be to do with the diary from CoS or that she just has a more important role.

This doesn't prove H/G but I do like the symbolism of her being on the same side as Harry, while R/Hr are together on the other. Furthermore, all this stuff about Ginny being insignificant and not having a decent role, love interest or not, it looks to me like she might have a sufficient role.

I personally am not saying it couldn't be ginny, but there is a possibility of it being lily, since we are suppose find out something huge about her. like the death in 5 that was all we heard, "someone wil die" and so on so forth and for this one all the buzz is something about lily. but its all speculation til july.


Something HUGE will be revealed about Lily Potter. (thanks to Mugglenet on the books 6 & 7 page)

This doesn't prove H/G but I do like the symbolism of her being on the same side as Harry, while R/Hr are together on the other. Furthermore, all this stuff about Ginny being insignificant and not having a decent role, love interest or not, it looks to me like she might have a sufficient role.

I'm all for it and if its only proves my theory just a little bit more. If its a ghost then it makes sense to seperate her from Ron and Hermione its similar to the veil. They can't be on the same site.

Aside this what tells you that this promotion stand is shippy?

Ah, the promotional stand is inevitably being discussed here...

When I first saw it, my first reaction was "Ooh is that Lily?" But it could be Ginny too. She looks different from Grandpre's previous renditions of Lily and Ginny ... then again, Hermione on the PoA cover looks nothing like her other Hermiones. It's weird that, as people have pointed out, the Mystery Girl is very hazy and ethereal-looking...she looks more like a ghost or a memory to me, unlike Ron and Hermione, who look much more tangible. I think that this scene (Dark Mark/village/Ron and Hermione/Mystery Girl) is either the back cover of HBP, or it's composed of colored versions of individual chapter pictures from HBP. In the case of the chapter pictures, that would mean that the Mystery Girl isn't physically present with Ron and Hermione, and that would mean it could definitely be Lily. It doesn't really look like she's present with them anyway, since they're separated and she's hazy and you can't see past her shoulders.

If it's Lily, then that's cool. If it's Ginny, then it could mean a whole bunch of things. I think it's just shippers who look at it and think 'Harry/Ginny.'

I personally am not saying it couldn't be ginny, but there is a possibility of it being lily, since we are suppose find out something huge about her. like the death in 5 that was all we heard, "someone wil die" and so on so forth and for this one all the buzz is something about lily. but its all speculation til july.


Something HUGE will be revealed about Lily Potter. (thanks to Mugglenet on the books 6 & 7 page)

Not until book 7, unfortunately.
Hi, I really like the books and we already learned a lot about Harry’s father and I was wondering ‘Are we going to learn a lot about his mother?’

Jo --Yeah, you will. It’s ---- yet again ---- you won’t find out ---- OK, in Book 3 you’re absolutely right. You find out a lot about Harry’s father. Now the important thing about Harry’s mother, the really, really significant thing, you’re going to find out in 2 parts. You’ll find out a lot more about her in Book 5, or you’ll find out something very significant about her in Book 5, then you’ll find out something incredibly important about her in Book 7. But I can’t tell you what those things are so I’m sorry, but yes, you will find out more about her because both of them are very important in what Harry ends up having to do.
(Bolding my own -- taken from an October 1999 interview transcript)

alright so i was proven wrong by a Jo quote but i was going off of what Mugglenet said. so anyone up for our first shipping debate of the new thread?

Wonderful! the Love thread is back. I ship Moonlight, Heron, and Signs, but I do think that there is a very real possibilty that Chocolate will happen. I try to remain open-minded about other ships, and I don't discount ships that I doubt will happen, like Harry/Tonks or Colin/Luna. Well, I would dicount something like Dumbledore/giant squid, but that ship is really only in FA.

Is it possible that this cover was placed just to tease us wee shippers? I mean, it certainly generates interest and the placement is causing a hubub. Also, isn't it just possible that ginny has finally been moved from a static character into a 3 dimenstional one. They went through alot last year, Ginny may have turned into an added member to the trio, thus gaining her a place on the cover. Then again I am a harmonian perference, I just cannot see chocolate making way. Ginny is Rons younger sister and despite Rons twitchy look urging Harry to date his sister Harry isn't going to date someone just so the big bad boys won't hurt her.

Question: Why do you think Hermione and Ron are so clearly defined while Ginny (or Lily) is basically a big pastel smear?

When I first saw it, my first reaction was "Ooh is that Lily?" But it could be Ginny too. She looks different from Grandpre's previous renditions of Lily and Ginny ... then again, Hermione on the PoA cover looks nothing like her other Hermiones.
And that would stand to reason. In HBP, Hermione will be 17 years old... she's matured uite a bit. And Ginny--the last MGP art we saw of her was when she was 11, and she's 15 in HPB.

(Edited to add: Actually, at the time the incident in the coverart took place, Ginny would have recently turned 12. But it's different enough from 15 (or even 16, if the pic is from something that happens toward the end of the book.)

It's weird that, as people have pointed out, the Mystery Girl is very hazy and ethereal-looking...
Someone on LJ suggested it might be because the Ginny pic is blown up from a smaller pick. The more you enlarge a pic, the less resolution you end up with.

If it's Ginny, then it could mean a whole bunch of things. I think it's just shippers who look at it and think 'Harry/Ginny.'
I agree that it could mean a whole bunch of things, and even as a Chocolate shipper, I don't immediately think of Harry/Ginny. But it does mean, to me at least, that Ginny will play a significant role in HBP.

Ron as well... Ron is pictured right next to Hermione. And of course you may say, "So what? Of course he is!" but there have been some arguments that Ron is being phased out of the series. The cover art isn't proof of anything, but it is an indication that Weasleys will remain important in HBP.

One thing I would like to point about the new drawing is on which side the respective characters are on. Note that Ginny is on the same side as Harry which indicates that Harry was next to her before he came to be on top by the penseive. I would point to this as evidence of H/G, but I can understand why other people may disagree with me.

I have previously said that I was following the Harry/Ginny, Ron/Hermione bandwagon, but lately Luna has been nagging at my brain. Even though she's "Loony", I like her a lot. She's coming in a close second to Ginny. I don't think the love stories will play a huge role in the overall story, but I definitely think the main characters will all be paired up with someone before the end of the 7th book.

I also have a nagging feeling about Luna as well, her and Harry do have some sort of unspoken bond bewtween the two of them. Also, i've noticed some people think Harry and Tonks will be together? I'm not quite sure how old Tonks is, but, shes got to be significantly older than Harry and I just don't see how that combination is possible. Although I think that Harry's interest will be with Luna in the HBP, i secrectly wish for Harry and Hermoine, however it would lead to Ron being extremly jealous because it is obvious he is infacuated with her.

One thing I would like to point about the new drawing is on which side the respective characters are on. Note that Ginny is on the same side as Harry which indicates that Harry was next to her before he came to be on top by the penseive. I would point to this as evidence of H/G, but I can understand why other people may disagree with me.

nice post but I disagree on many levels.

1) Might not be ginny (lily)
2) these pictures could be from completly different chapters having no relavance at all.
3)Even if it was ginny, it by no means would solidify the ship.

As for the reactions of the Harmonians claiming "it's no big deal", if it were Ron and Ginny, and then Hermione on the other side, you would be dancing in the street. Give us a break: as if you wouldn't be doing the same in our shoes.

This is not acceptable behavior in the Love Thread. I class this as baiting the opposition to start flaming and is totally uncalled for. Charmed Cheese, as a Hogsmeade student you should know better. This is a challenging statement and in accordance with the new forum rules you are recieving one warning point.

Also, i've noticed some people think Harry and Tonks will be together? I'm not quite sure how old Tonks is, but, shes got to be significantly older than Harry and I just don't see how that combination is possible.
I don't know if she is significantly older than Harry, but she's got to be a good few years older as we know that she's an auror and they haven't taken on anyone in the last three years. That would make Tonks at least 5 years older than Harry (resuming that Tonks was the last person they took on). Whilst 5 years isn't a lot, when you think that Harry is 15 and still at school I seriously can't see them getting together in the next two books.

To my mind, there's clearly a tension between Ron and Hermione, so I can't see Hermione and Harry together. Even if Harry liked Hermione (and that's a big if in my view), he wouldn't act on it if it would hurt Ron. The trio are the core of the books and for Harry and Hermione to pair up would devastate the trio's dynamic.

Other than Cho, there's nothing in the books, on the face of it, to suggest that Harry is interested in anyone.

Luna and Harry? Luna is the first person of his own age Harry has met who has been bereaved of a parent. I think the connection in OotP is because they have both experienced loss but this doesn't necessarily translate as a romantic connection.

Ginny and Harry? We know that Ginny did have a crush on Harry, but Hermione tells us that she doesn't fancy Harry any longer. While I really hope for a Harry/Ginny relationship (I think I just like the idea of Harry formally being part of the Weasley family) I can't see any evidence for the Harry/Ginny relationship either. Perhaps the scene in the library is a foretelling, perhaps the scene on the train involving Ron's furtive look towards Harry and Ron prodding his 'queen towards Harry's quivering castle' is a pre-cursor of what is to follow in HBP, but the truth is we simply don't know (yet).

Hello all! I wanted to post (I haven't in a long time due to the poor conditions) to congratulate the Admins for the new revolutionary setup that is now enforced in this thread. I think that the new moderation rules and the penalities will lead to a better environment for discussion.

Kudos and happy debate all!! :)

Thanks Darynthe,

However, from now on all comments on the love thread, good or bad, are to be done in the feedback section. This is to help keep the thread on track, and not wander away from its purpose.

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nice post but I disagree on many levels.

1) Might not be ginny (lily)
2) these pictures could be from completly different chapters having no relavance at all.
3)Even if it was ginny, it by no means would solidify the ship.

My response then.
1) The girl there is the same age as Ginny and according to JKR Lily is DEAD.
2) All of these kinds a of pictures in the past are from the same scene... there is no logical explanation why it wouldn't be part of the same scene- Harry and Dumbledore are being lifted in the air and Hermione, Ron and Ginny are looking up. Thats no coincidence
3)It does not show all that must be proven in order to solidify a ship, but it does prove that Ginny is becoming a much larger role in the books.

but it does prove that Ginny is becoming a much larger role in the books.
Hm, how come it proves this?
It might show she will have bigger role in that book, but it doesn't prove anything.
In the past... Tonks, Moody, Fleur have all been on the book covers... were they important? Vital to the story? No.

This shady pic of Ginny? is interesting. I see nothing romantic going on in there... but I do see "spookiness"... It's dark, serious... and well, it might not mean anything good for Ginny to be there... we don't know her fate
I'm not a fan of Ginny, but I will of course be disturbed if JK has decided to take her life also... but let's hope not.

Hm, how come it proves this?
It might show she will have bigger role in that book, but it doesn't prove anything.
In the past... Tonks, Moody, Fleur have all been on the book covers... were they important? Vital to the story? No.

But in all of their cases they were more important than they were before. It is also no coincidence that Fawkes, Ron and Ginny are on CoS where they are more prominent and Hermione is present on PoA where she is prominent.

This shady pic of Ginny? is interesting. I see nothing romantic going on in there... but I do see "spookiness"... It's dark, serious... and well, it might not mean anything good for Ginny to be there... we don't know her fate
I'm not a fan of Ginny, but I will of course be disturbed if JK has decided to take her life also... but let's hope not.

Yes, it could mean anything, but I'm putting my money on Dumbledore being the corpse this book so we already have one dead person on the cover. Whatever it means it is highly indicative that Ginny will have a plot though, which is contrary to what has at times been claimed.

My response then.
1) The girl there is the same age as Ginny and according to JKR Lily is DEAD.
2) All of these kinds a of pictures in the past are from the same scene... there is no logical explanation why it wouldn't be part of the same scene- Harry and Dumbledore are being lifted in the air and Hermione, Ron and Ginny are looking up. Thats no coincidence
3)It does not show all that must be proven in order to solidify a ship, but it does prove that Ginny is becoming a much larger role in the books.

The thing about the age is that there is no sure way to tell how old she is suppose to be, people see the age as whatever they wish. In another thread I read that someone thought the face was very mature, and that of an adult, while others think the face looks exactly like that of a 15 year old. I can see it either way.

I agree that it is probably Ginny (with a good strong chance of it being Lily), I also think Ginny will probably be playing a larger role in this next book.

This shady pic of Ginny? is interesting. I see nothing romantic going on in there... but I do see "spookiness"... It's dark, serious... and well, it might not mean anything good for Ginny to be there... we don't know her fate

The way I see it is she is more shady because the dark mark is providing light on Ron and Hermione's side of the picture, they have more highlights than the figure on the right.

I would be less concerned about Ginny/Lily, at least there isn't a dark mark hovering near her...

First off - Horay for the Love Thread's return!!! :D I was going into serious withdrawal for awhile there.

Anywho, down to business -

In my quick scan of these first three pages I have noticed that everyone has begun the debating about the promotional artwork for HBP and I am reayd to jump right in so here goes.

Basically I feel the entire picture is a collage of sorts and that the pictures are cropped elements pulled from larger pictures and put together to create a new picture. Now then, clearly Dumbledore and Harry are pictured together in the original source of the cropped bit for this promotional photo because we have seen the original - it's the American cover for HBP.

The only other grouping of people that we can safely assume (have 99.99% assurance of it basically) is Ron and Hermione because they are overlaping (Ron is directly in front of Hermione) and they appear to be staring at the same thing. What that thing is we have no way of knowing but they are looking in the same direction and both appear to be wearing heavy coats/sweaters.

Now I read somewhere that there is the possibility that the original pictures that these cropped collage shots came from are chapter pictures that will appear in the Delux Edition of HBP and this makes a lot of sense to me. Now the question we must ask ourselves is this - is this collage of pictures actually shippy?

In my opinion, though I would like to believe it is slightly shippy, I don't think it is. I was convinced at first that the red head on the right was Ginny but now I think it must be Lily. So even though I fully support Chocolate I don't think this picture helps. As far as Heron goes, I don't think this picture helps much either. Why? Simple - while Hermione and Ron appear to be close together it could be a matter of descripansy with depth perception in the picture because it is cropped so we see what we want to see. Hermione is on Ron's left side and there is no way of knowing if say they're holding hands or something because we only see their heads and shoulders.

Just to add something about the Ginny/Lily thing - I think it's Lily now because of the wispy quality of the picutre, almost as though she is a memory, possibly an image being viewed in the Penesieve. She is looking up in a way that makes her appear 2-D as apposed to 3-D, do you follow me? See is drawn as though she is a picutre within a pciture, a picture the characters are looking at but that must also be seen by the audience.

Anywho, just thought I'd add my two cents about it. I'm going to start working on some more 'evidence' for different ships though so hopefully I'll have that up within a few days to discuss.

Ron can be very funny. He is sharp-witted undoubtedly, but he is also mentally lazy, non-challenging, a little bit shallow really - sure, he's a likeable, steady, normal, 'laid-back' sort of chap, but that's about it. And to my mind, that's not enough because he is clearly on course to being Hermione's significant other, (everything points to it) but, for my part, he's simply not good enough for her. (I understand there are a lot of Ron-fans - sorry).

On the other hand, Hermione is a marvellous creation. She is kooky and enormously clever, brilliantly individual, has an active sense of justice; she is definitely not run-of-the-mill. Such a fantastically realised character who deserves more than the consolation prize. The Weasleys (that mother for sure) will swamp her. (A suitable conclusion for Hermione too could be no match-up at all actually - she doesn't need a guy ... but as this is a shipping thread I guess I'll keep to the subject).

As for Ginny - she seems a nice enough girl, and her potential love-story is sweet enough, in that she fancied Harry for years and chased the train and was rescued by him etc, etc ... but I really hope there's more to come, and it probably needs to be 'dark' to enliven her character. What we have now is the stereotypical popular, pretty, sporty, trendy ladette teenager, who's Harry's best mate's kid sister who he'll suddenly realise is really pretty and really up for him (all along) etc - nothing wrong with that per se - but pairing her with Harry will be cliche city. (Personally I would like dorky Neville to get the popular, pretty girl - only seems fair).



And here lies the problem, I think :)

For you Hermione is a marvellous creation, far above any of the others, and therefore nobody (especially not Ron who you see as nothing special) is good enough for her.
Harry barely qualifies, because of his special circumstances ( it's something that provides Hermione with mental challenges).

Hermione *is* geat in her own way (negatives and positives), but
she is really just another literary stereotype (the brainy girl who is insecure because she thinks she's plain, and compensates in her own way).
She is not a never before seen ideal person (fortunately), but she gets "idealized" quite a bit, and her character is sometimes put on a pedestal so high, it's almost goddess/saint status.

No wonder Ron doesn't seem good enough, since many people only point out his flaws , which makes you wonder why anyone would be caught near him, no less be his friend or dare admit to love him :)
(I think Hermione herself suffers a bit from this syndrome, and that's why her reactions to him change so much ;))

*All* the possible romantic pairs have been used before, many times, and none are more "tired" than the others.

And I see many layers to Ron that I find interesting, and I do believe he has the potential to snap out of his "mental laziness" and become a good counterpart for Hermione.
All the potential is there: he is a good friend, stands up for himself (except to Fred and George, which isn't a suprise if you look at his history with them) and others, has started to work on his self image, has a sense of humor and is able to easily overcome prejeduces (Hagrid, Lupin).

Ron is no more a "consolation prize" than Hermione is a prize to be won.

If they become a couple, I doubt it will be because Hermione couldn't get Harry and had to settle for Ron.
With her morals I can't see her choose anyone she doesn't truly love.

And "getting" Hermione does not mean the male in question will now have a priceless woman and their lives together will be an ideal we should all try to emulate.

She is a strong personality with "very" strong opinions, and a habit of trying to convert everybody to her way of doing things, and will certainly not stop being this way just because she finds love with someone.
I suspect her life will involve finding one quest after another, and it will be turbulent no matter who her partner (if anyone) will be.

Possibly couples I think that could happen in Book 6/7

Harry and Ginny
Hermione and Ron
Draco and Pansy
Padma and Ron
Madame Maxime and Hagrid
Hermione and Viktor
Hermione and Harry

Couples that we want to see but probably won't happen or are declared from J.K. rowling herself that it won't happen:

Harry and Luna
Harry and Cho
Hermione and Draco
Ron and Luna
Draco and Ginny

Possibly couples I think that could happen in Book 6/7

Harry and Ginny
Hermione and Ron
Draco and Pansy
Padma and Ron
Madame Maxime and Hagrid
Hermione and Viktor
Hermione and Harry

Couples that we want to see but probably won't happen or are declared from J.K. rowling herself that it won't happen:

Harry and Luna
Harry and Cho
Hermione and Draco
Ron and Luna
Draco and Ginny

Thats not really a post though is it? What you've done here is cover pretty much every bet you could. In future if you're going to discuss things like this, then it might be nice to have some reasons to back up your assumptions. I mean you've got every major ship there...

Wow, three pages already. I'm a bit nervous to post here...but, I guess I'll get over it.

I might as well ask this, as it's fun to know, what pairings could you guys see actually happening in HPB and why do you think it will as opposed to it might happening in book 7? I don't think this has been asked. Also, for the pairings you truly think may happen, what small things did you see in the past books, could be considered foreshadowing? I know how some Heron fans feel that Harry's associating Hermione and Ron with Mr. & Mrs. Weasley as a type of forshadowing for the two.

I am so glad that the Love Thread is back. As for the picture that people are discussing, the girl could be Ginny. And I do think it means that Ginny will have a larger role in the last two books. Whether she will be Harry's LI is debatable. I ship Moonlight, of course, but I do think it is possible that Ginny wil be with Harry, and I do not mind if Chocolate did happen. Any girl is better than Cho, well except Pansy Parkinson and Millicent Bulstrode. And while do think Luna is best for Harry, Ginny is a very close second choice. And as she did help him with the whole chocolate in the library scene, I don't dismiss. I just think Luna has a better chance of reaching Harry after Sirius death. She did help him with that talk at the end of term.

I have a question for everyone.

How much time do you expect to be allocated to romance in the up-coming books, and how does this relate to your ship.

For instance

I think that romance will remain a subplot as it has done so far, and therefore there will be limited 'screen time' given to it.

For this reason I believe that Ginny and Luna (or anyone else who is not in his year or at least not in Gryffindor) are preferential to some one who is in his year and house. If Harry dates someone in his year and house then that gives too much potential time to romance.

I will use Hermione as an example as she is the best candidate for a ship in his year and house.

Harry spends a lot of time with Hermione already, in lessons, studying and free time. If he was to have a romance with her then romance could easily dominate the story line as he spends all his time with her. Also, I believe it would phase Ron out to much (and this isn't even taking into account Ron's feelings). Ron may be there (lessons, some studying) but due to Harry's feelings for Hermione he will possible pay much less attention to him. :upset:

However, if Harry has a relationship with some one who is not in his house or year. He will still be with Ron and Hermione for lessons and some studying (providing Ron and Hermione don't want any private study sessions :evil: ) but some or all of his free time can be with some one else. He will still pay equal attention to Ron and Hermione though.

On a side note I also believe Harry and Hermione need to find some one who is understanding of what I believe to be a very close friendship. This can be Ron for Hermione and Ginny or Luna for Harry (Luna doesn't seem like the jealous type :p ) However I have a soft spot for chocolate :blush:

Well goodnight, I guess I'll catch up in the morning :sigh:

I believe that the love stories will be exactly what JKR said they were going to be......

1. Apart of the coming of age plot
2. Dealt with in a humorous way
3. Nothing too gritty

So I guess that makes me a believer in the sub plot love story. Although I do think that the love stories will be bigger in the next book's I do not think that they will become apart of the main plot. My guess is that they are in the book's to....

1. Create lighter moments in the book's
2. Character development

OMG! I can't believe the thread has been restarted, and I didn't notice until now! And now I have 3 pages to catch up on!
I have a CanLit essay to finish now, but I'll be back!

I'm glad this thread is back... it was gone for waaay too long! :)

I'm glad this thread is back... it was gone for waaay too long! :)

Make sure you read the new love thread rules located at the top of the thread. They are different than they once were.

I was just wondering if we could get some feedback from Harmonians about what they think of the new promotional pic. I haven't seen that much here.
I visited Portkey today, and it seemed that the idea that the picture was indeed Ginny struck a chord of doubt within some Pumpkin Pie shippers. I was curious if this is only the case with some, or if there is a consensus that this is more bad than good for H/Hr.
I'm open about the fact that I ship H/G. But shippiness aside, I really do see this as Ginny and not Lily. As a shipper, I did think this had significance. However, I think the argument that Tonks, and the other Order members were on the OotP jacket (not just the promotional art), and this didn't mean too much, is a strong one.
I tend to think however, that the Harry/Dumbledore centerpiece hints at a closer, more direct mentor-student dynamic; and that GrandPre's choice of Ron, Hermione and Ginny is to show the characters that are most closely linked with Harry's development in HBP.
In short, I really do expect Ginny to play a larger role and I think the picture supports this. That said, I don't think H/G shippers should bet on first kisses occuring in Book 6 because of this image.

Edited to add:
I hope my JKR picture below is not considered one insulting to other ships. If that is the case mods, please let me know.

YAY! I finished my CanLit essay! Seven days late!!!
Word of advice to all: unless you enjoy having you brains dribble slowly out of your ears from boredom, never study Canadian literature.

Some of the stuff is good, but Margaret Laurence is WAY over-rated, I never want to read another book of her's again!

Okay, now I'm off to read the new rules and get caught up! :)

YAY! I finished my CanLit essay! Seven days late!!!
Word of advice to all: unless you enjoy having you brains dribble slowly out of your ears from boredom, never study Canadian literature.

Some of the stuff is good, but Margaret Laurence is WAY over-rated, I never want to read another book of her's again!

Okay, now I'm off to read the new rules and get caught up! :)

And after reading the new rules I'm sure you'll come back and realise that this post was a very bad thing to do...

Until we hear evidence that Mary Granpre has read the book or JK Rowling has specifically told her about any possible romantic pairings, I believe that to use this as possible evidence for shipping is the same as looking at that bloomsbury sign that came out on valentine's day.
Maybe someone already answered you, but in an article, it said that Mary Grandpre HAS read HBP.

EDIT: well, they obviously have answered you.

And after reading the new rules I'm sure you'll come back and realise that this post was a very bad thing to do...
Sorry!
But at least I broke the rules to give very valuable advice to everyone here!


Okay, the topic of the minute is... new cover art!

IMHO, it's definitely Ginny, certainly not Lily... Why?
- Everyone else on the cover is alive,
- why would Lily be there without James? she always appeared with him before
- If it is Lily, why is she standing over there? It doesn't make any sense for her to be standing off in a little corner, ignored by everyone else.
- The scene would make much more sense as a unit if it were Ginny. The scene is about Dumbledore and Harry, and his best friends are standing by. Nice and simple.

I think it's funny how she is kind of fuzzy, but she's not the only one. Ron and Hermy are fuzzy too, Ginny is just more fuzzy. I think that indicatres that she is still not as close to Harry as they are.

The good news is, that this indicates that Ginny will continue to have a significant role in the series. It's not proof of shippiness, admitedly, but it should silence those Chocolate critics who were arguing that Ginny is going to drop back into obscurity again.

And also, why would Ginny have a larger role, if she wasn't being set up as Harry's LI? What other vacancy is there in his life that she could fill? True, Harry could always use more friends, but why is Ginny being made into such a more major friend?

And I think there was some discussion about how Tonks and Moody and Lupin were on the dust jacket of OotP, but they weren't all that important, and people were using that as an argument that Ginny won't necessarily be that important. I think the problem with that argument is that they WERE the Order, therefore they get cover space on OotP (of course, not the entire Order was on the cover, only the most prominent ones, who captured Mary's imagination). So comparing Tonk's cover appearance to Ginny's isn't entirely relevant, I think.

Originally posted by Cerussite:
I have a question for everyone.

How much time do you expect to be allocated to romance in the up-coming books, and how does this relate to your ship.
I don't think romance is going to be a major focus in the books. However as the characters are growing up, there will be more than in the previous books, IMO.
This works perfectly well with my idea about the H/G romance which I believe will be light hearted and fun.


As for the promo art, I believe its Ginny. I see the similarity in the hair color of Ron and Ginny and the facial features are strikingly similar to the portrayal of Ginny in the CoS cover.
As for shippyness, Ron and Hermione appear to be quite close. I also think its interesting that Ginny is looking up at Harry.

They're all looking up at Harry. Ginny's just the smallest, so she's looking up the most.

Does this count as a one-liner? I hope not, because I am responding to a valid point with what, I think, is a valid answer. I just can't stretch it into more than one line.

And also, why would Ginny have a larger role, if she wasn't being set up as Harry's LI? What other vacancy is there in his life that she could fill? True, Harry could always use more friends, but why is Ginny being made into such a more major friend?

A Friend, a person to advance a certain part of the story, a person who might die, a person who is adversly affected by the knowledge of the HBP, a person who changes sides, a person who leaves... My point is that there are numerous instances that MIGHT be true, I just dont think that we should jump straight to it being a love thing...

And I think there was some discussion about how Tonks and Moody and Lupin were on the dust jacket of OotP, but they weren't all that important, and people were using that as an argument that Ginny won't necessarily be that important. I think the problem with that argument is that they WERE the Order, therefore they get cover space on OotP (of course, not the entire Order was on the cover, only the most prominent ones, who captured Mary's imagination). So comparing Tonk's cover appearance to Ginny's isn't entirely relevant, I think.

True, but by that rational we could be looking at one of these three being the HBP, maybe it has nothing to do with a love interest. I dunno. When I look at the cover/promo day counter, I dont see a love interest between any of them. I see the three people who are closest to Harry...

Okay, the topic of the minute is... new cover art!
And we were wondering what we'd all do for the next hundred or so days... ;)

IMHO, it's definitely Ginny, certainly not Lily... Why?
- Everyone else on the cover is alive,
- why would Lily be there without James? she always appeared with him before
- If it is Lily, why is she standing over there? It doesn't make any sense for her to be standing off in a little corner, ignored by everyone else.
- The scene would make much more sense as a unit if it were Ginny. The scene is about Dumbledore and Harry, and his best friends are standing by. Nice and simple.
I agree, banduraqueen, for all those reasons. Have you compared the recent pic with Lily in the Mirror of Erised (http://www.hogwarts-gallery.org/hogwartsgallery/picture.php?cat=169&image_id=3391&expand=169), and Ginny at the end of Chamber of Secrets (http://www.hogwarts-gallery.org/hogwartsgallery/galleries/Books/y_chamber_us_back.jpg)? The girl in the promotional pic looks much more like an older CoS Ginny than Lily, imo. The face structure, the hair, the lips... just about everything.

And also, why would Ginny have a larger role, if she wasn't being set up as Harry's LI? What other vacancy is there in his life that she could fill? True, Harry could always use more friends, but why is Ginny being made into such a more major friend?
May I play devil's advocate? If Ron dies, then Ginny will become Harry's new Best Weasley Friend. She'll become Harry's link to the Late Ron, and to the Weasley family in general.

Of course, I don't believe that's the case. I think Ginny is being built up to become Harry's Love Interest. :)

A Friend, a person to advance a certain part of the story, a person who might die, a person who is adversly affected by the knowledge of the HBP, a person who changes sides, a person who leaves... My point is that there are numerous instances that MIGHT be true, I just dont think that we should jump straight to it being a love thing...
It could mean any one of the things you mention and it could mean Ginny's role as Harry's LI too. You can't entirely rule it out either.

True, but by that rational we could be looking at one of these three being the HBP, maybe it has nothing to do with a love interest. I dunno. When I look at the cover/promo day counter, I dont see a love interest between any of them. I see the three people who are closest to Harry...
I agree with you. I don't think the art intends to convey any shippy elements. It is however interesting that Ron and Hermione are shown, standing close to each other on one side and Ginny alone on the other side gazing up at Harry.

What it really means: We may not know until July 16, but it sure does make the H/G and R/Hr shippers happy.

I see this as a faulty argument. First off, there is no precedent to your claims. Each book has its own cover and many variations of that cover depending on the edition and location of the book. In further examination of each cover we see there is usually a scene or person of importance, yes. However, this does not equate to a love interest.

Thats my say...

I, at no point stated that it was a significant LI, true love or whatever other term you wish to use, merely that with Ginny being present, my thoughts are that she would be significant for whatever the reason within HBP.

I think it's funny how she is kind of fuzzy, but she's not the only one. Ron and Hermy are fuzzy too, Ginny is just more fuzzy. I think that indicatres that she is still not as close to Harry as they are.

I think she is more fuzzy as she is shorter and therefore the mist (looks like mist) would cover more of her than Ron or Hermione.

On another note, I don't take this as shippy at all due to the dark mark presence above their heads, my comment on R/H was sarcastic, how anyone could find romance when your frightened doesn't make too much sense too me.

True, but by that rational we could be looking at one of these three being the HBP, maybe it has nothing to do with a love interest. I dunno. When I look at the cover/promo day counter, I dont see a love interest between any of them. I see the three people who are closest to Harry... I know, I meant arguing that Ginny won't be any more important than Tonks because of the cover art isn't a valid argument.


On another note, I don't take this as shippy at all due to the dark mark presence above their heads, my comment on R/H was sarcastic, how anyone could find romance when your frightened doesn't make too much sense too me.
Most advernture movies count on it. :)

Most advernture movies count on it.

:rotfl: Like Indiana Jones.

Unfortunately we don't have the visuals to go with the books and as the majority of the book is in Harry's PoV, unless it was directed to him or about him, we don't normally witness other characters actions and reactions unless they are within range of Harry. I believe any of the trio, if they were to become a couple, it would have dawned on them by now. One of my ships is Heron and I think that they have already realised their feelings for one another prior to the new book being released, so this artwork just shows that they can be physically closer to one another than what they have been in the past due to awkwardness and so forth.

I do find it significant that Ginny not Hermione is on Harry's side of the penseive. So it is logical to say that Ginny was at Harry's side before he was up there. Given that the scene shown is likely to be of great importance, I don't see how you can negate the idea of Ginny not becoming a more important character. This is not unexpected to me as a H/G shipper but I do understand peoples suspisions. Just remember that the placing of the characters in the is not random. If Harry was going out with Hermione at the time... there is little chance that she would be on Ron's side and Ginny be on Harry's.

That Joke was evil :evil: but brilliant, I was sitting here going OMG what were they doing, what were they distributing, how come I didn't get any of what they were distributing :p

I was hoping for a nice long read, but I guess many have been thrown of by the joke or don't know the love thread is back up yet.

Glad to see Banduraqueen found her way back, means I don't need to argue conventions any more which I really don't know much about.

do find it significant that Ginny not Hermione is on Harry's side of the penseive. So it is logical to say that Ginny was at Harry's side before he was up there.

Yes, I find it strange that she is all on her own; they could have balanced the picture with Luna or Neville (if it's Lily they could have used James). From a purely artistic point of view the picture is unbalanced, was it intentional? Maybe, it may or may not have been due to Harry's place next to her though.

May I play devil's advocate? If Ron dies, then Ginny will become Harry's new Best Weasley Friend. She'll become Harry's link to the Late Ron, and to the Weasley family in general.

While it is entirely possible that Ron dies, I really don't think it will happen in book six, something like that would be held back until book seven ;)

Love interest, who knows, I hope so. You know there is an e-mail on the web page were you can send questions about the stand, It's probably only for sales but they may know the answer, at least it would cease speculation over whether or not it's Ginny or Lily.

Another reason to believe it's Ginny is that JK said she wasn't going to reveal anything big about Lily until book seven (Artherella posted the quote earlier) so what reason do we have to believe it is Lily other than red hair and a slightly more misty picture.

I was also looking at the picture with various filters and it does appear that the mysterious girl is wearing clothes, you can see what is possibly the neck of a t-shirt, in fact now I know what I am looking for, I can see what ever it is with out filters.

I do find it significant that Ginny not Hermione is on Harry's side of the penseive. So it is logical to say that Ginny was at Harry's side before he was up there. Given that the scene shown is likely to be of great importance, I don't see how you can negate the idea of Ginny not becoming a more important character. This is not unexpected to me as a H/G shipper but I do understand peoples suspisions. Just remember that the placing of the characters in the is not random. If Harry was going out with Hermione at the time... there is little chance that she would be on Ron's side and Ginny be on Harry's.

Yes, I find it strange that she is all on her own; they could have balanced the picture with Luna or Neville (if it's Lily they could have used James). From a purely artistic point of view the picture is unbalanced, was it intentional? Maybe, it may or may not have been due to Harry's place next to her though.

Well, from an artist's perspective, you wouldn't want to overshadow the larger elements of the picture, as that would draw attention away from more important aspects. I think that Ginny is more misty because she is farther back. She does in fact even out the picture.
Also, Ron and Hermione aren't standing that close, as the green mist is apparent between them.

Well, from an artist's perspective, you wouldn't want to overshadow the larger elements of the picture, as that would draw attention away from more important aspects. I think that Ginny is more misty because she is farther back. She does in fact even out the picture.
Also, Ron and Hermione aren't standing that close, as the green mist is apparent between them.

On one side you have Ron, Hermione, the dark mark and Dumbledore, on the other side you have Harry and Ginny/Lily - 4/2, that, to me, is unbalanced for a picture that can so easily be divided down the middle. Another tiny head would not over shadow the massive Harry and Dumbledore part because it is so big in comparison to those figures.

But as I said, there is quite possibly nothing shippy about it, I want there to be, but I can't state conclusively that this is the case. At most I would say that Ginny is probably going to get a bit more 'screen time'. Either that or the issue with the diary comes back up or the Weasleys suffer a loss.

On one side you have Ron, Hermione, the dark mark and Dumbledore, on the other side you have Harry and Ginny/Lily - 4/2, that, to me, is unbalanced for a picture that can so easily be divided down the middle. Another tiny head would not over shadow the massive Harry and Dumbledore part because it is so big in comparison to those figures.

But as I said, there is quite possibly nothing shippy about it, I want there to be, but I can't state conclusively that this is the case. At most I would say that Ginny is probably going to get a bit more 'screen time'. Either that or the issue with the diary comes back up or the Weasleys suffer a loss.


Oh, but you see, you can't divide it down the middle, as that isn't the division of the elements on the page. There are Dumbledore and Harry at the top, then Ron and Hermione on the bottom left, and Ginny on the bottom right. It forms a triangle. Therefore, it would only be unbalanced if there wasn't anything on the bottom right.

Oh, but you see, you can't divide it down the middle, as that isn't the division of the elements on the page. There are Dumbledore and Harry at the top, then Ron and Hermione on the bottom left, and Ginny on the bottom right. It forms a triangle. Therefore, it would only be unbalanced if there wasn't anything on the bottom right.

I am stating this from the point of view from an artist (it's been a while since I have painted regularly but still), that picture can be divided down the middle, you can draw a line down between Harry and Dumbledore, down through the pensive thingy.

But according to the triangle argument the way it is divided is also unbalanced at one point of the triangle you have Harry and Dumbledore, on the other you have Ron and Hermione, and on the last you have Ginny :evil: 2/2/1

But this is getting off topic, we should agree to disagree and start talking ships (as I said I don't believe this to be shippy necessarily) just odd in composition, if it has any meaning (shippy or otherwise) we won't find out until later.

Personally, I don't think the cover art has much significance by way of romantic relationships. I think the significance lies in the Dark Mark they are looking at, and in the green mist. However, this is the Love Thread, so romance needs to be discussed. I think it is quite interesting how Ginny (I agree it could be Lily, but my instinct is telling me it's Ginny) is alone whilst Ron and Hermione are standing together. Like I said, I don't think this is purposefully meant to foreshadow romance, but it's certainly a nice confidence booster for us Herons and Chocolateers. :tu:

But this is getting off topic, we should agree to disagree and start talking ships (as I said I don't believe this to be shippy necessarily) just odd in composition, if it has any meaning (shippy or otherwise) we won't find out until later.

I agree. I haven't been here in a while, but some of you may remember I used to argue for Ron/Hermione. Since then, the belief that R/Hr and possibly H/G will happen has become quite certain in my mind. I think Ginny's character has been pushed forward into the limelight for a reason, not only to play a bigger role in the defeat of Voldemort (yes, I think he will be defeated :agree: ) but possibly to become the hero's love interest. I agree it's quite cliche, but I think Rowling is a good enough writer to make it work.

Basically, everything I have seen and heard so far: the books (especially Ron's reaction to Hermione's kiss in Order), the movie foreshadowing and Rowling's answers to interview questions have solidifed my belief that R/Hr and/or H/G will happen (in some form or another).

If I am perfectly honest I don't really think there will be much romance at all in the next two books. We've had our romance fix for the series - the relationship between Harry and Cho. My first instinct would be to say that romance will play a very small part in the books. True, Rowling has said that Harry will recieve another kiss or two in the next book, but it is my belief that these will be kisses on the cheek, one perhaps coming from Hermione similar to the kiss at the end of Goblet.

If pressed, I'd say that if there is going to be a hint of romance in future books it will first and foremost be between Ron and Hermione, with the possibility of feelings between Harry and Ginny. Although, like I said, I don't believe Rowling will advance the romance beyond anything more than "a meaningful look" or an emotional hug between a couple after Voldemort's defeat - that kind of thing. I don't think there will be any solid relationships. And I think with that, I've rambled on quite enough.

Good to be back!

While I'm not a huge fan of the US cover art I must say interesting pic isn't it? If Mary Granpre has read HBP (I'm not doubting you Banduraqueen but I thought that information would have been more widely published) then these pictures are quite significant to the story.

Personally I think our mystery girl is more likely to be Ginny than anyone else, and if this indeed proves to be the case then it's fair to say that she'll be playing a role much more central to the story than in previous books. So if we assume that this picture shows us Harry's core group, now expanded to four, what will Ginny's role be in the foursome? We already have Harry, the leader and 'chosen one', Ron the loyal friend and sidekick covering his back and foil for the minor villain Draco and Hermione, the other Loyal friend and sidekick not to mention the brains of the operation.

I see Ginny as Harry's emotional support, I doubt she's the kind of girl, like Cho, that needs a shoulder to cry on. From the DOM battle at the end of OOTP we see her stoic side in full evidence as she makes no moves whatsoever to acknowledge her injurys despite them effectively immobilising her, an interestingly similar scene to Ron's from the shrieking shack in POA. No, she's a tough, no nonsense bird who doesn't take any shash from enemy or friend and in this respect I see her as a good balance for Harry. If that'll expand to include a romantic attatchment remains to be seen but I ficure she's the most likely of the current candidates to do so.

Of course I could be completely wrong and it might be the ghost of Lily :p. I wonder if Mary Granpre will comment.

If Mary Granpre has read HBP (I'm not doubting you Banduraqueen but I thought that information would have been more widely published) then these pictures are quite significant to the story.

Mary Grandpre has read book 6 (lucky, lucky lady):

GrandPre, who has been illustrating books for 15 years and working as an artist for 25 years, had no idea what she was getting into when she got the call from Scholastic, Rowlings’ American publishers, about creating the art for the first book. She asked to read the work, to see if would be a good fit. (She still gets to read each book before creating the art, making her one of the few people in the world who has actually read book 6 already! Don’t bother asking her what happens, she won’t tell you). source: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7127158/

Since she has read book 6, she knows who/what is significant. Having said that, I think the redhead in the promo picture is Ginny. It could be Lily but I don't really think so mainly because JK has said we won't meet a 'live' James and Lily and we'll find out something big abou Lily in book 7, not book 6. So what I got from that is we can only see Lily in a pensieve kinda setting or flashbacks, like when we saw the marauders and Lily in OotP. Ron, Hermione and the readhead are all looking up at something (I think it's the dark mark) and if it is Lily, how can she be doing something like that with Ron and Hermione when she's in a memory form? I don't think she can communicate with them. When Harry was in the pensieve and in the diary, the ppl in the memory didn't realise he was there and couldn't talk to him. The same would apply to Lily as well right?

Now, here's why I think it's Ginny. Ginny has a 'long mane of hair' which the redhead has and it isn't a surprise if Ginny is with Ron and Hermione and they all look up to see the dark mark together. I also think that the promo picture (the bottom half) is actually a blown up picture of one of the chapter art by Mary Grandpre. If u see carefully, Ron and Hermione's features are very clear, whereas you can't really see the redhead's face very well. It looks to me like the redhead is like at the side of the picture where it's faded and not very clear. Some people say that Hermione's role has been increasing compared to Ron's but the fact they're both together at one side below a huge picture of Harry just reaffirms to me that they remain Harry's faithful sidekicks. What's really freaking me out is the dark mark. I can't help but recall that seeing the dark mark above your house is one of Mr. Weasley's biggest fear. Yikes. Do you think it's safe to assume that we can expect more of this kind of promo pictures? I reaallly hope so.

Before we go off on discussing the shade of "Ginny's" hair and how this proves it is or isn't her....I want to point out two things. 1) This cover and OotP's cover are not being done in "true" color. The first four american covers where much more true color than the shades of blue OotP and shades of green HBP. 2) Red is the color compliment of green. When your eyes see green, they pull out the red in colors surrounding it. (one reason why redheads look good in green, it makes them look healthy) So when you're looking at the red hair, it will appear more red than in other places, simply because its on a green background.

So the shade of red of the hair isn't a trustworthy indicator of character.

That being said, I'd also like to point out that "Ginny" looks, IMO like she is looking into a pool of water.....as her hair is wavy and her features are distorted. I wonder if perhaps she is looking in on Harry's memories in the pensieve. Perhaps he's put them in there at the top of the cover to view them and while he goes in Ginny sees what happens. And that is her reflection on the silvery liquid in the pensieve.

This would allow Ginny to learn more about Harry, to be exposed to him in a way that noone else is.

I think that it's definitely Ginny on the cover. If it was Lily, she would be doing whatever Lily in the pensive was doing, or she would just be looking out at the reader. She is not alive, so she would not be reacting to the environment , especially not the same way that Ron and Hermione are. She would not be looking at Harry.
Edit: Are there chapter drawings from the US editions of either Lily or Ginny so that we can compare?

I dont believe there are any of Lily, but as the picture on the display is distorted, i dont think any comparison would be entirely acurate.

I think that it's definitely Ginny on the cover. If it was Lily, she would be doing whatever Lily in the pensive was doing, or she would just be looking out at the reader. She is not alive, so she would not be reacting to the environment , especially not the same way that Ron and Hermione are. She would not be looking at Harry.
Edit: Are there chapter drawings from the US editions of either Lily or Ginny so that we can compare?


Yes there is some pics and if you go to this post by cd he has the links to them all for you to chek out.

CD Post=link to Lily and Ginny book pic's (http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=2061805&postcount=27)

Are those pics by the same person??? Harry looks so much younger in the Mirror pic than he does in the chap pic of him and the mirror in the book.

That being said, I'd also like to point out that "Ginny" looks, IMO like she is looking into a pool of water.....as her hair is wavy and her features are distorted.
Well, as I am not at all a fan of GrandPre, I can safely ask - when are the faces in her pictures NOT distorted? Or anatomy? or perspective, for that matter? Hey, look at DD, his arm is ll wrong, and his ear is too low. Ron's ear, on the contrary, is too high. And I won't even comment on all the distortions on other covers. Ginny's head is a disaster. It is really sad. Scholastic hired GrandPre first when no one knew what a success HP will become, and by the laws of inertia retain her as an illustrator. There are wonderfull illustrators out there, and American readers had to be stuck with GrandPre and her notions what is amusing and appropriate for children. Oh, well. I am lucky to live in Canada and have UK editions.

I'm not a big fan myself (my issue being more her straying from the text in her portrayals) however there is an obvious diiference in her style and the smudging and distortion of "Ginny's" face.

I think that it's definitely Ginny on the cover. If it was Lily, she would be doing whatever Lily in the pensive was doing, or she would just be looking out at the reader. She is not alive, so she would not be reacting to the environment , especially not the same way that Ron and Hermione are. She would not be looking at Harry.
Edit: Are there chapter drawings from the US editions of either Lily or Ginny so that we can compare?
Lily could be looking over her son, but in this case she would be above or (unlikely) same level as Harry, not in the same composition-wise position as Ron and Hermione. And definitely not so close in colour to them (assuming that GranPre did not just thow the things in randomly, which is quite possible). There is no reason at all for Lily to be present at all. The "huge bit of information" about Lily is supposed to come in book 7, not 6, and nothing indicates that Lily would be actually doing something in the text. It could be that, say, Petunia or Lupin tell this and that.

Hm, how come it proves this?
It might show she will have bigger role in that book, but it doesn't prove anything.
In the past... Tonks, Moody, Fleur have all been on the book covers... were they important? Vital to the story? No.
Actually Tonks, Moody, Fleur were vital and important to the story. I mean, Tonks and Moody et.al are the Order of the Phoenix while Fleur was vital because she was one of the champions that was chosen by the Goblet of Fire. But no matter even if Ginny was not in the cover (though I happen to think that was her) she will be important and vital to the story.

I don't think it was Lily for the fact that she was looking up as well and seems to be seeing the same thing as R/Hr were seeing. Also, didn't JKR said that we will know something vital about Lily in book 5 and book 7?

I thought we knew that book 6 was the book the Lily revalation was going to happen. But then again the rumors section on mugglenet said that we'd find out in book 5 before it came out that we'd find out why Lily's eyes are important, but we didn't. Btu I was under the impressions from JKR's interviews and all that book 6 was going to give us more history and likely to include Lily's revealation.

I thought we knew that book 6 was the book the Lily revalation was going to happen. But then again the rumors section on mugglenet said that we'd find out in book 5 before it came out that we'd find out why Lily's eyes are important, but we didn't. Btu I was under the impressions from JKR's interviews and all that book 6 was going to give us more history and likely to include Lily's revealation.
here's the quote that was asked in 1999

"Hi, I really like the books and we already learned a lot about Harry’s father and I was wondering ‘Are we going to learn a lot about his mother?’

JKR: Yeah, you will. It’s ---- yet again ---- you won’t find out ---- OK, in Book 3 you’re absolutely right. You find out a lot about Harry’s father. Now the important thing about Harry’s mother, the really, really significant thing, you’re going to find out in 2 parts. You’ll find out a lot more about her in Book 5, or you’ll find out something very significant about her in Book 5, then you’ll find out something incredibly important about her in Book 7. But I can’t tell you what those things are so I’m sorry, but yes, you will find out more about her because both of them are very important in what Harry ends up having to do."
See, the big revelations we found out in OOTP when it's not always a bed of roses for Lily and James and the most significant will be revealed in book 7. No mention of book 6.

Another tiny head would not over shadow the massive Harry and Dumbledore part because it is so big in comparison to those figures.
If it would have been more symetrical with another tiny head, but there is not another tiny head, I think it is correct to assume that Mary Grandpre could not have logically put another tiny head in that scene, because only Dumbledore, Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Ginny were in it.
This points to Ginny's increasing importance because she is a formerly minor character being included in a major scene (it's major enough to be onb the cover, and all the characters look very serious about it) of all major characters.

Oh, but you see, you can't divide it down the middle, as that isn't the division of the elements on the page. There are Dumbledore and Harry at the top, then Ron and Hermione on the bottom left, and Ginny on the bottom right. It forms a triangle. Therefore, it would only be unbalanced if there wasn't anything on the bottom right.

I agree with you. That's true. I think what cerrusite was saying though is that the bottom left corner is "heavier" than the bottom right.

but of course she did already answer you. Oh well, I'll leave my reply.

From what I learned about symmetry in art class, the picture is somewhat unbalanced, because there is more going on on the left side than the right (the Dark Mark is also there). But it would be totally unbalanced if Ginny were not there at all.

See, the big revelations we found out in OOTP when it's not always a bed of roses for Lily and James and the most significant will be revealed in book 7. No mention of book 6.

I appreciate the quote...but more than that I appreciate that comment. I've been irratated that I didn't feel like I learned anything about her in that book. I hadn't taken that scene as a revealation really b/c I thought of it more as a normal develoment of their relationship, but i can see that that was the revealation...duh to me lol.

It's really a shame that Lily and James had so little time together. It must have been quite a whirlwind love affair. If they didnt start dating until 6th or 7th year and were married had a baby and were dead all withing about 5 years...MY goodness!!!!

So if we assume that this picture shows us Harry's core group, now expanded to four, what will Ginny's role be in the foursome?
This made me think of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and how new characters became part of the core group (the Scoobies) by dating one of the original members. Or by being created by an order of munks who also altered everyone's memories.

Well, as I am not at all a fan of GrandPre, I can safely ask - when are the faces in her pictures NOT distorted? Or anatomy? or perspective, for that matter? Hey, look at DD, his arm is ll wrong, and his ear is too low. Ron's ear, on the contrary, is too high. And I won't even comment on all the distortions on other covers. Ginny's head is a disaster. It is really sad. Scholastic hired GrandPre first when no one knew what a success HP will become, and by the laws of inertia retain her as an illustrator. There are wonderfull illustrators out there, and American readers had to be stuck with GrandPre and her notions what is amusing and appropriate for children. Oh, well. I am lucky to live in Canada and have UK editions.
I agree, although I think the style of the UK cover art is a bit boring, and I really didn't like the front limbs of the dragon on the cover of GoF, they looked like arms, not legs, and that didn't seem right for a reptile.
But, yeah, I feel like I could do just as good a job as the American art.
My favourite cover art is the Ukrainain covers, they aren't always completely accurate (Norbert is green, and Lockhart isn't very good-looking, on the plus side though, Hermione's hair is properly frizzy for once), but they are wonderfully imaginative and detailed. The Ukrainian publishers were determined to do an excellent job on the entire edition, the cover art and the translation, so that they would out-compete the Russian edition (which, just uses the American cover art).
PS (http://mugglenet.com/books/bookcovers/images/ukraine1.jpg), Harry is sooo cute!
CoS (http://mugglenet.com/books/bookcovers/images/ukraine2.jpg)
PoA (http://mugglenet.com/books/bookcovers/images/ukraine3.jpg) Harmonians should like this one.Harry and Hermione are riding Buckbeak, and Hermione looks like she's actually enjoying herself. (hopefully this is enough shippy content, so this post is not off-topic!)
GoF (http://mugglenet.com/books/bookcovers/images/ukraine4.jpg) Harry ages nicely
OotP (http://mugglenet.com/books/bookcovers/images/ukraine5.jpg) This is my favourite. I like the action and I love Harry's pose.

About being so dissatisfied with the cover art, I think if so many people are less than confident in Grandpre as an artist, maybe we shouldn't be reading too much into her art.

Anyways, if that girl is Ginny (and I certainly think it's fair to say she is) and she is on the cover, then I think a reasonable interpretation is that she has a larger role in HBP than before. To be getting into what her fuzziness means, though, is reading too much into it, I think.

Indeed, Heron is the most likely ship to happen, according to canon (especcialy the yule ball scenes and everything involved). I find it very obvious. Chocolate is more a wishful thinking ship, though I see some hints in this direction, apart from the nice mary grandpre-art. I thought the ending scene in the train back to london in OotP was covered with chocolate. Perhaps Rowling was eating chocolate while she wrote it! :p
I must strongly beg to differ on the 'wishful thinking' comment - - I did some research and wrote a rather in-depth essay on the H/G ship, and IMO, there are plenty of clues that point strongly to that ship. :)

What, in particular, makes you see it as 'wishful thinking'?

My issues with Grandpre are not really from an art stand point nor do i feel that they misrepresent the plot....I find that she just ignores the costuming notes made in the text and it drives me nuts (i was a theatre major with a focus on makeup and costume design)

But I find her intrepretation of the plot to be fine and in that way I think it's fine to discuss it.

One thing to keep in mind is that this is not the cover, and so RH pairing and the "Ginny" placement on the other side of the tower might not mean a thing. The tower and mist could have been extended to make the signage look good.

Also while I like that R and H are near eachother and looking couple-y I'm trying to remember that Granpre typically shows snipits of the story, not deeper psychological think-y sort of pictures.

Well, as I am not at all a fan of GrandPre, I can safely ask - when are the faces in her pictures NOT distorted? Or anatomy? or perspective, for that matter? Hey, look at DD, his arm is ll wrong, and his ear is too low. Ron's ear, on the contrary, is too high. And I won't even comment on all the distortions on other covers. Ginny's head is a disaster. It is really sad. Scholastic hired GrandPre first when no one knew what a success HP will become, and by the laws of inertia retain her as an illustrator. There are wonderfull illustrators out there, and American readers had to be stuck with GrandPre and her notions what is amusing and appropriate for children. Oh, well. I am lucky to live in Canada and have UK editions.
I'm not a big fan of Grandpre either. The UK covers are somewhat better. The cover for - I think - Denmark is absolutely hideous. The Japanese covers are lovely and the Ukrainian covers are the best. I can't wait to see cover art from other countries, I wonder if they'll indicate any shippiness?

Lily could be looking over her son, but in this case she would be above or (unlikely) same level as Harry, not in the same composition-wise position as Ron and Hermione. And definitely not so close in colour to them (assuming that GranPre did not just thow the things in randomly, which is quite possible). There is no reason at all for Lily to be present at all. The "huge bit of information" about Lily is supposed to come in book 7, not 6, and nothing indicates that Lily would be actually doing something in the text. It could be that, say, Petunia or Lupin tell this and that.
Furthermore, I think that if Lily were to be placed on the cover, she would have a far more prominent place, perhaps a ghost-like image inbetween Harry and Dumbledore.

This points to Ginny's increasing importance because she is a formerly minor character being included in a major scene (it's major enough to be onb the cover, and all the characters look very serious about it) of all major characters.What makes you so sure that Ron Hermione and Ginny are actually part of a scene? The cover of GoF was just full of faces, there wasn't any action or anything. True, they are all looking up at Harry, but I'd be surprised if they were in a pensive scene with Dumbledore and Harry. I think the looking up is just to give the picture some unity.
If that is the case, and Ron, Hermione and Ginny are not part of a particular scene on the cover, I think that says even more for Ginny's growing importance, because if Grandpre wanted to make the picture symetrical, she could have simply have put Ron and Hermione on either side of the column. Instead she decided to put Ginny on the other side, possibly indicating that she is becoming a greater part of Harry's inner circle.

Although I agree that the picture of the redheaded girl is Ginny, I do not think this has to be because she is Harry's love interest. (It may be but I am not completely convinced) We have to remember that a piece of the HBP story was once supposed to be in CoS. I am not sure which part but it would make sense that Ginny is a large part of HBP because of her role in CoS. It would especially make sense if the Prince himself has anything to do with Slytherin's chamber and such. I am not sure what it could be and I have ideas but they don't have anything to do with the love thread so I won't digress.

I think the more important picture to the love thread is that of Ron and Hermione together. Ron could have just as easily been placed next to his sister and Hermione could have been placed alone. The fact that it is Ginny alone and Ron is with Hermione that makes me think Grand Pre is leaning towards a Ron and Hermione pairing (much like myself!) Grand Pre has read the book. I believe they said so on Good Morning America. (If I am wrong, please correct me!)

About being so dissatisfied with the cover art, I think if so many people are less than confident in Grandpre as an artist, maybe we shouldn't be reading too much into her art.
:p Hey, I am as starved as anyone here for ANYTHING about the book. Getting Grandpre work is both welcomed (as potential information from someone who actually read the book; I'd try to decode ravings of a madman if I was sure he had a peak) and irritating (she should have kept to drawing stick people :evil:). I am very greatful for posting Ukranian covers. They are lovely! But not accurate :D. I did not read either Russian or Ukranian translation, except for some short paragraphs you can find over the net... I think they did a nice job translating. Even when they translated names (some translations use English names, some find equivalents. "Zley" for "Snape" was hilarious! Why do they spell her name "Roling"? It was too funny.

Although I agree that the picture of the redheaded girl is Ginny, I do not think this has to be because she is Harry's love interest. (It may be but I am not completely convinced) We have to remember that a piece of the HBP story was once supposed to be in CoS. I am not sure which part but it would make sense that Ginny is a large part of HBP because of her role in CoS. Hey, the picture was based on the final reading of HBP, not CoS. GranPrehas as little notion about the parts removed from CoS as we do. So whatever is the reason for the girl to be there, it's in HBP.

Although I agree that the picture of the redheaded girl is Ginny, I do not think this has to be because she is Harry's love interest. (It may be but I am not completely convinced) We have to remember that a piece of the HBP story was once supposed to be in CoS. I am not sure which part but it would make sense that Ginny is a large part of HBP because of her role in CoS. It would especially make sense if the Prince himself has anything to do with Slytherin's chamber and such. I am not sure what it could be and I have ideas but they don't have anything to do with the love thread so I won't digress. Due to her character development, the role that Ginny will play in HBP will be quite different from that which she played in CoS. The part that was cut out from CoS probably had everything to do with the HBP himself, and little to do with Ginny. Like most of Chocolateers' arguments, the fact of Ginny being on the cover of HBP says nothing about possible shippiness, but it does make a statement about her growing importance. And with growing importance comes the possibility of shippiness.
I wish we could see the illustrations from the back of the cover, you'd think that they could remove the text. It would be interesting to see if Luna has a place.
Why do they spell her name "Roling"?How else would they spell it? It's completely phonetic.

OotP (http://mugglenet.com/books/bookcovers/images/ukraine5.jpg) This is my favourite. I like the action and I love Harry's pose.
I love how they manage to be both more realistic than other cover art and more fanciful. Harry is pretty cute in this one too. He looks so much like a boy that one might know. I wish I could better make out the characters running around at the bottom.

ETA: I can't believe that I'm the only poster on here! Someone needs to get the word out that the love thread is open again.

How else would they spell it? It's completely phonetic.
Traditionally slavic languages transliterate long "o" as "ou". I was always amused by Dr Watson being either "Vatson" (a as u in luck)or "Uotson" :D And you should see what they did with Ivenhoe! Well, I suppose its not much worse than what English did to Jerusalem... Or Japanese to beefstake...

Traditionally slavic languages transliterate long "o" as "ou". I was always amused by Dr Watson being either "Vatson" (a as u in luck)or "Uotson" :D And you should see what they did with Ivenhoe! Well, I suppose its not much worse than what English did to Jerusalem... Or Japanese to beefstake...
Do you mean "o" to the cyrillic character "y"?
I think its funny that Dudley is transliterated as "Dadley" and that "Mr" and "Mrs" Dursley aren't given the Ukrainian equivilent of those titles - "pan" and "pani" - "Mister" and "Misses" are transliterated.

Hm... this is getting off-topic. Um...
It's would be interesting to see how people who read the translated version of HP view the shipping debate, if all the times that Hermione grabs Harry sound at all romantic in other languages. I just started reading the french translation of PS, but I don't think my french is good enough for me to appreciate all the connotations of various words.

One thing to keep in mind is that this is not the cover, and so RH pairing and the "Ginny" placement on the other side of the tower might not mean a thing. The tower and mist could have been extended to make the signage look good.
That's a good point.
But do you think Ron and Hermione and Ginny are from the same scene?

In Ukrainian the glide consonant is "v" (which, of course looks like "B", which sounds either like v, or like w, or like "u" [which looks like "y"] and is often substituted for "u".) It sounds like a "u" at the beginig of words only, and otherwise sounds like "v" or "w".
It sounds like a "w" when at the end of words, such as "maw" (masculine, past tense of "maty" "to have". The "a" is short, of course, so it's ma-w, and rhymes more with "cow" than with "caw", as in the noise crows make).
I cannot think of a Ukrainian word where "v" follows "o" and sounds like a "w", as far as I know, it is pronounced as a "v", as in "ljubov" (love).
Ukrainian does not have a long "o" sound.

Anyways, back to the art, I wonder how many characters are on the dust jacket in total?

It's would be interesting to see how people who read the translated version of HP view the shipping debate
hey I've read spanish version, and my fisrt language is spanish but I can tell you that those who translate the book do mostly what they want so I don't think is very relevant but anyway ask me something if you want ( I need to write something here, i'ts been long time I' haven't been here)

Just getting away from the cover art discussion for a moment has anyone else noticed the decided lack of Dan and Bonnie photographs getting around? I'm not talking group shots but more intimate type photos like the one of Rupert and Emma that BluecanaryLite uses in her siggy, ones that could be used as hints for ships.

While I favour the Harry and Ginny combination (they're just so cute a couple :eyebrows:) I have always acknowledged that it is primarily, at this point at least, speculative but even given that I find it a tad odd that a relationship that seems so popular in fandom isn't being given a little nudge along by the publicists. There are heaps of Rupert and Emma not to mention Dan and Emma pics from outside the movies getting around so I wonder why there aren't any (that I can find at least) Dan and Bonnie ones.

There is one thought, again purely speculative, that has given me reason to think that there may be reasoning behind this. Warners did a very good job of keeping Stanislav Ianevski's photo away from the media for quite some time for reasons best known to themselves. Could they be doing something similar with Dan and Bonnie?

My favourite cover art is the Ukrainain covers, they aren't always completely accurate (Norbert is green, and Lockhart isn't very good-looking, on the plus side though, Hermione's hair is properly frizzy for once), but they are wonderfully imaginative and detailed. The Ukrainian publishers were determined to do an excellent job on the entire edition, the cover art and the translation, so that they would out-compete the Russian edition (which, just uses the American cover art).
PS (http://mugglenet.com/books/bookcovers/images/ukraine1.jpg), Harry is sooo cute!
CoS (http://mugglenet.com/books/bookcovers/images/ukraine2.jpg)
PoA (http://mugglenet.com/books/bookcovers/images/ukraine3.jpg) Harmonians should like this one.Harry and Hermione are riding Buckbeak, and Hermione looks like she's actually enjoying herself. (hopefully this is enough shippy content, so this post is not off-topic!)
GoF (http://mugglenet.com/books/bookcovers/images/ukraine4.jpg) Harry ages nicely
OotP (http://mugglenet.com/books/bookcovers/images/ukraine5.jpg) This is my favourite. I like the action and I love Harry's pose.
:tu: They are really quite well done. Pity Ron looks like Alfred E Newman. :eyebrows:

hey I've read spanish version, and my fisrt language is spanish but I can tell you that those who translate the book do mostly what they want so I don't think is very relevant but anyway ask me something if you want ( I need to write something here, i'ts been long time I' haven't been here)
Have you read both the English and the Spanish versions? How does the Spanish translation compare? Is there anything noticibly different between the two editions, even in terms of mood? Are any shipping arguments affected by such differences?

Just getting away from the cover art discussion for a moment has anyone else noticed the decided lack of Dan and Bonnie photographs getting around? I'm not talking group shots but more intimate type photos like the one of Rupert and Emma that BluecanaryLite uses in her siggy, ones that could be used as hints for ships.

While I favour the Harry and Ginny combination (they're just so cute a couple :eyebrows:) I have always acknowledged that it is primarily, at this point at least, speculative but even given that I find it a tad odd that a relationship that seems so popular in fandom isn't being given a little nudge along by the publicists. There are heaps of Rupert and Emma not to mention Dan and Emma pics from outside the movies getting around so I wonder why there aren't any (that I can find at least) Dan and Bonnie ones. Ginny really hasn't had much of a part yet, especially not as a love interest, and I don't think Bonnie has attained the same level of celebrity as Dan, Emma, and Rupert have. They are simply the ones (among the child actors) with the most "star power"; thus, they have the most publicity photos.

There is one thought, again purely speculative, that has given me reason to think that there may be reasoning behind this. Warners did a very good job of keeping Stanislav Ianevski's photo away from the media for quite some time for reasons best known to themselves. Could they be doing something similar with Dan and Bonnie?
What photo is this that you're speaking of?

Just getting away from the cover art discussion for a moment has anyone else noticed the decided lack of Dan and Bonnie photographs getting around? I'm not talking group shots but more intimate type photos like the one of Rupert and Emma that BluecanaryLite uses in her siggy, ones that could be used as hints for ships.

While I favour the Harry and Ginny combination (they're just so cute a couple :eyebrows:) I have always acknowledged that it is primarily, at this point at least, speculative but even given that I find it a tad odd that a relationship that seems so popular in fandom isn't being given a little nudge along by the publicists. There are heaps of Rupert and Emma not to mention Dan and Emma pics from outside the movies getting around so I wonder why there aren't any (that I can find at least) Dan and Bonnie ones.


Well, before they do take photos, I hope Bonnie gets someting of a make-over. Not to be mean, but I was really disappointed they didn't get someone cuter to play her.

hey I've read spanish version, and my fisrt language is spanish but I can tell you that those who translate the book do mostly what they want so I don't think is very relevant but anyway ask me something if you want ( I need to write something here, i'ts been long time I' haven't been here)
Were there any noticible differences? Any words or phrases used in places that have shippier connotations than in the English version?

Just getting away from the cover art discussion for a moment has anyone else noticed the decided lack of Dan and Bonnie photographs getting around? I'm not talking group shots but more intimate type photos like the one of Rupert and Emma that BluecanaryLite uses in her siggy, ones that could be used as hints for ships.

While I favour the Harry and Ginny combination (they're just so cute a couple :eyebrows:) I have always acknowledged that it is primarily, at this point at least, speculative but even given that I find it a tad odd that a relationship that seems so popular in fandom isn't being given a little nudge along by the publicists. There are heaps of Rupert and Emma not to mention Dan and Emma pics from outside the movies getting around so I wonder why there aren't any (that I can find at least) Dan and Bonnie ones.
Ginny really hasn't had much of a part yet, especially not as a love interest, and I don't think Bonnie has attained the same level of celebrity as Dan, Emma, and Rupert have. They are simply the ones (among the child actors) with the most "star power"; thus, they have the most publicity photos.
You could be quite right there, like I said it was just speculation on my part.

There is one thought, again purely speculative, that has given me reason to think that there may be reasoning behind this. Warners did a very good job of keeping Stanislav Ianevski's photo away from the media for quite some time for reasons best known to themselves. Could they be doing something similar with Dan and Bonnie?
What photo is this that you're speaking of?
I probably should have said image. I don't have any specific photo in mind just that, like photo's of Dan and Bonnie, there weren't many of Stanislav getting around. And Krum was a particularly significant character from that story that book readers would have been interested to see.

Well, before they do take photos, I hope Bonnie gets someting of a make-over. Not to be mean, but I was really disappointed they didn't get someone cuter to play her.
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/bonnie.jpg

Well I may be just slightly biased but I think she qualifies as cute. :eyebrows:

Were there any noticible differences? Any words or phrases used in places that have shippier connotations than in the English version?

well I think some of the poetic adjetives used in the english version when talking about ginny are normal in spanish, well but you know this guys transfigured neville's toad into a turtle, there isn't bad adjetives, in the windswep thing, it's not bad at all. then r/hr is almost the same and I haven't found a thing that could be interpreted as romantic abt h/hr.

Well I may be just slightly biased but I think she qualifies as cute.

I think here bonnie looks great and more ginnish

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22181&stc=1

I'm here making a rare apperance, due to new "laws" laid down, i'm not allowed to debate my passion ship, but you haven't got rid of me totally, because i'm still sailing on the HMS Heron, but I do not post as much as my fellow shipmaties. but here's a random thought that will most likely get torn to bits in a heartbeat.(just kidding :p)but what if the msytery girl isn't lily or ginny at all, but a certain character that has been compared to ginny looks wise. just a thought. enjoy the debate *goes back to work on CCD*

Just getting away from the cover art discussion for a moment has anyone else noticed the decided lack of Dan and Bonnie photographs getting around? I'm not talking group shots but more intimate type photos like the one of Rupert and Emma that BluecanaryLite uses in her siggy, ones that could be used as hints for ships.

While I favour the Harry and Ginny combination (they're just so cute a couple :eyebrows:) I have always acknowledged that it is primarily, at this point at least, speculative but even given that I find it a tad odd that a relationship that seems so popular in fandom isn't being given a little nudge along by the publicists. There are heaps of Rupert and Emma not to mention Dan and Emma pics from outside the movies getting around so I wonder why there aren't any (that I can find at least) Dan and Bonnie ones.

There is one thought, again purely speculative, that has given me reason to think that there may be reasoning behind this. Warners did a very good job of keeping Stanislav Ianevski's photo away from the media for quite some time for reasons best known to themselves. Could they be doing something similar with Dan and Bonnie?

I think the main reason is that Dan, Rupert and Emma have been the main actors in the movies and Bonnie hasn't really been in the limelight, although from what I hear she may have more screen time in GoF and this may be timed well with what we may find out in HBP about Harry's LI and we may see more of Bonnie in promo pictures.

BTW I think Bonnie is definitely getting more cuter from the CoS days.

I dunno. She's normal. She's just not how I imagined her. I guess I was thinking of her more as a mini Maureen O'Hara.

Or something kinda like this:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/banduraqueen/Ginnydoodle.jpg

I've glad the thread is back - it can be a lot of fun. I'm just as happy that one-liners are now forbidden - hurray for more substantial debating!

I am quite happy wit the new art for the back of the American cover of HBP. While it doesn't show anything overtly shippy, it does have Ron and Hermione together and on the same level, going against the idea that Hermione's position in *** Trio is superior to Ron's.
I assume that here, like on the other messageboards, there is disagreement about whether the red-haired girl is Ginny or Lily. I'm not sure muself, but I'm hoping that either Mary GrandPre or JKR will clear it up. It can't possibly be a spoiler just to say what a picture is of.

(Personally, I find the Dark Mark that Ron and Hermione are looking at far more interesting in terms of a clue than any possible shippy connotations of the art.)

Personally, there are many shippings I 'support' and wish would happen. But I'll just discuss what I think will happen. XD

Ron/Hermione: I think this is the most obvious one, in my opinion. I really think they get along well. And since I seriously doubt there's going to be Harry/Hermione in the future, due to how Harry was in the fourth book when Ron was angry at him. I remember him saying something like 'Hermione was a good friend, but nothing like Ron.' Or something of the like.

And I'm sure Rowling's going to do some more pairing up with different characters other than Harry now, so why not them? ^_^

Harry/Ginny: I'm not one hundred percent sure about this one, but I still like it. I just think Ginny can understand Harry more than many people can. I don't have any proof of this though, sorry.

Ron/Luna: It might end up one-sided, but still! It could easily happen. XD

I haven't looked back yet, but I just felt the need to give a comment on the cover art.

On the left, standing together, it does seem like Ron and Hermione; on the other side, maybe Ginny.

From a non-shippy perspective, I felt that the reason Ron & Hermione are together on oneside is because that's how Harry views the two (you can say he views them as a couple, or you can say otherwise). Personally, I felt that this just indicates that Harry sees both Ron & Hermione as his best friends; in his eyes, they're both on the same level and he doesn't value one more over the other.

As for the other side with the girl that may be Ginny, I see it like this. Harry doesn't know what her place is as of yet. She's not on the same level as Ron and Hermione, not as close, but she is a friend. Or...this book is just going to have something to deal with her since HBP is supposed to have clues from CoS to read along, or whatever. ^^

I must strongly beg to differ on the 'wishful thinking' comment - - I did some research and wrote a rather in-depth essay on the H/G ship, and IMO, there are plenty of clues that point strongly to that ship. :)

What, in particular, makes you see it as 'wishful thinking'?

Well, it was wishful thinking at one point. It's so nice when those whimsical dreams come true...

I am almost completely certain that it is Ginny in the cover art. The covers have historically been specific scenes (e.g. COS) or montages of important elements. Either this is a specific scene in which Hermione, Ron, and Ginny look on as Harry and Dumbledore do stuff or these five characters and the green smoky thing are some of the important elements of the story.

I am almost completely certain that it is Ginny in the cover art. The covers have historically been specific scenes (e.g. COS) or montages of important elements. Either this is a specific scene in which Hermione, Ron, and Ginny look on as Harry and Dumbledore do stuff or these five characters and the green smoky thing are some of the important elements of the story.

The covers have always been important, however Ginny doesnt appear on the cover, only on the promo art for the countdown displays...

Not that it's really important, but I think that Bonnie may do a Emma Watson and become really pretty. Remember, Bonnie is still quite young, isn't she?

I mean, I really want her hair, but a bit longer though.

I must strongly beg to differ on the 'wishful thinking' comment - - I did some research and wrote a rather in-depth essay on the H/G ship, and IMO, there are plenty of clues that point strongly to that ship.

I think pretty much ANY pairings so far are just wishful thinking. And they'll remain so until JKR gives us our answers in the books.
The big problem with any ship is, they're ALL (Yes, every single one) based, to greater or lesser extents, on assumptions. And assumptions do not make rock solid foundations. Even all canon evidence is suspect, because any of it could be a red herring. And until JKR pens it, I don't know whether the things pointing to H/Hr are the red herrings, or if the things pointing to R/Hr are.

On a completely unrelated note, most H/G evidence I've seen is usually based on an assumption like; "It has to be either Luna or Ginny, and Ginny makes more sense." None of the canon evidence that supposedly "supports" it ever seemed to actually support it, to me.

But what do I know?

The covers have always been important, however Ginny doesnt appear on the cover, only on the promo art for the countdown displays...
..and said displays from the last book, Harry Potter and The Order of The Phoenix, held similar artwork, or I should say had artwork not known whether it would be on the dust cover or not and indeed the artwork was part of the dust cover. There is precedence for believeing the display recently revealed has artwork from the entire dust cover. I'll again only state that if any shippy signifigance is there, that might be predicted as opposed to a hind sight analysis, it is the Ron and Hermione portion. Ginny, well we'll know only if we're told by the publishers or by Jo herself before July 16th...
Cheers
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PS,
let's remember that along with Ron, Ginny did appear on the dust cover of Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets

luna and ginny stand a better chance to be with harry than hermione because
both of them offer better emotional support to harry and hermione always refer to books for help...

luna lost a parent so she does understand the plight of harry while ginny is more fun-loving than hermione....

ron,however needs a girl like hermione...

luna and ginny stand a better chance to be with harry than hermione cos both of them offer better emotional support to harry and hermione always refer to books for help...

Oh, I don't know. Going by the books, Hermione provided some pretty good emotional support for Harry... she seemed to be his only emotional support, for the better part of the book, to me.

Luna did have that bit, at the end, though.

luna and ginny stand a better chance to be with harry than hermione cos both of them offer better emotional support to harry and hermione always refer to books for help...

One line statements aren't allowed anymore, as you will see if you read the first post on this thread. Also, it would help if you punctuated that somehow, and using proper english instead of "cos" is always a plus. Thanks!

As for the meaning of your comment, I've always found that Hermione has been very supportive of Harry emotionally, and she showed she can reach him when no one else can (cancelled ski-trip and visit to Grimmauld Place). Now, I know Luna has been a bigger support to Harry when it's come to Sirius's death, but Harry felt pity for Luna. In my opinion, pity isn't the best emotion to base a relationship on.

Yes and when you consider that the first two lines of this love poem sent to Harry has almost a Luna crazy quality about it.
His eyes are as green as a fresh pickled toad,
His hair is as dark as a blackboard
I wish he was mine, he's really divine
The hero who conquered the Dark LordEspecially when you compare the above poem with what Luna sings in rhyme in Chapter 10, page 168[quote=OotP]’Wit beyond measure is man’s greatest treasure.’ The two just remind me of Luna for some reason, perhaps it is the way they are both paraphrased. So Luna could have sent the love letter to Harry in GoF.

origanlly posted by TaneYes and when you consider that the first two lines of this love poem sent to Harry has almost a Luna crazy quality about it.



His eyes are as green as a fresh pickled toad,
His hair is as dark as a blackboard
I wish he was mine, he's really divine
The hero who conquered the Dark Lord
Especially when you compare the above poem with what Luna sings in rhyme in Chapter 10, page 168[quote=OotP]’Wit beyond measure is man’s greatest treasure.’ The two just remind me of Luna for some reason, perhaps it is the way they are both paraphrased. So Luna could have sent the love letter to Harry in GoF.
Actually this Love poem was the one delivered by one of Prof. Lockhart's surly Dwarves dressed as Cupid in HP & TCOS Chapter 13 The Very Secret Diary. I know many people have questioned whether Ginny was the author of said poem and truthfully the only other person I considered, aside from Fred and George helping Ginny writing it, was Draco. Like father like son, embarrass both Ginny and Harry with one shot, Lucius sought to oust Dumbldore and rid Hogwarts of the Muggleborns with the Diary, possibly even knowing Riddle might rise from it's pages. All speculation true, but I find very little evidence to support Luna as the poem's author as we've had no clue to Luna's existence until Goblet with the mention of the Lovegoods by Mr. Diggory.
Cheers
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PS
phantomwitch,
the cancelled ski-trip and arrival to Grimmauld Place was more to support Ron and Ginny for the attack on Arthur intially. Hermione didn't know about Moody's revelation and Harry's subsequent isolation until her arrival, Hermione even says so.

PS
phantomwitch,
the cancelled ski-trip and arrival to Grimmauld Place was more to support Ron and Ginny for the attack on Arthur intially. Hermione didn't know about Moody's revelation and Harry's subsequent isolation until her arrival, Hermione even says so.

Ah, sorry about that. I didn't say that the way I should have. The () part was just to site the scene, not how she was able to reach him. She was able to get him out of Buckbeak's room when no one else could. That was my meaning, sorry for not explaining well enough.

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Notes:


ship is short for relationship.
I only keep track of some mainstream ships.
Join as many ships as you like. Feel free to support even contradicting ships if you can't decide.
HMS is an abbreviation of Her Majesty's Ship or His Majesty's Ship, depending on whether there is a king or queen at the head of British government. All ships in the British Royal Navy have this before their name (e.g. HMS Victory). Other countries use similar labels. In the United States it's USS (United States Ship). Since Britain is the setting for the books we have adopted this for our own relationships.
What is canon? It is the official version - any information about the plot, characters, or world of Harry Potter coming from the books or from Rowling herself.
HMS Heron (R/Hr): This ship's name comes from contracting Hermione & Ron. Another popular name is the Good Ship.
HMS Chocolate (H/G): This ship is named after the scene in the library in OotP. An older name is Orange Crush.
HMS Harmony (H/Hr): This ship's name is a contraction of Harry and Hermione. Another popular name is Pumpkin Pie.
HMS Moonlight (H/L): Moonlight was named after Luna (Moon) and the lightning scar (Ligh).
HMS SIGNS (N/G): SIGNS stands for Society Introducing Ginny/Neville Shipping.
HMS The Obviousness is in the Un-Obviousness (Colin/Luna): Paperbag Princess wrote an essay about how Colin and Luna should be together. The essay mostly made fun of the way some people argue for their serious ships. And so OUO was born.
OUO is a joke and should be treated as such. It is the flag ship of the Fleet of Insanity, a collection of absurd ships.
HMS Red Moon (R/L): Red Moon is named after Ron's hair colour and the meaning of Luna's name.
HMS Plato (Neutral): The Plato is named for platonic love. Supporters of the Plato do not favour any ship over another, but care about the stability of the Trio.
HMS Firebolt (R->Hr->H): I have no idea where this name comes from. Firebolt is about completely unrequited love: Ron loves Hermione, who loves Harry, who loves nobody or someone different.
HMS Merry (H/Myrtle): Another member of the fleet of insanity. Another name is Pinefresh.
HMS Moonchild (Theodore Nott/L): Both Nott and Luna are moon/night gods, Luna being the Roman moon goddess and Nott being the Norse night god. The name Moonchild is derived from this common ground.
HMS Gibbous Moon (N/L): Also known as The Government Stole My Toad, this ship has been officially sunk.

I think here bonnie looks great and more ginnish

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22181&stc=1
Oh definately. I haven't see that one before, nice pic. :tu:

Not that it's really important, but I think that Bonnie may do a Emma Watson and become really pretty. Remember, Bonnie is still quite young, isn't she?
I'm a bit unsure as to what you mean here, when you say 'become pretty' do you mean as in the film portrayal like Emma's change in look between COS and POA, get a Cinderella moment as did Hermione in the Yule ball or do you just mean Bonnie herself as she grows up?

I really don't think a Cinderella moment is necessary for Ginny, she's already seems popular among her peers and is generally described in terms that can be interpreted as flattering or at least positive. On the other hand maybe a 'wow' moment for Harry to notice her 'that way' during a ball could work :eyebrows:.

I mean, I really want her hair, but a bit longer though.
Long and straight like that is quite striking, kind of like a mane isn't it? :p

Yes and when you consider that the first two lines of this love poem sent to Harry has almost a Luna crazy quality about it.



His eyes are as green as a fresh pickled toad,
His hair is as dark as a blackboard
I wish he was mine, he's really divine
The hero who conquered the Dark Lord
Especially when you compare the above poem with what Luna sings in rhyme in Chapter 10, page 168
Actually this Love poem was the one delivered by one of Prof. Lockhart's surly Dwarves dressed as Cupid in HP & TCOS Chapter 13 The Very Secret Diary. I know many people have questioned whether Ginny was the author of said poem and truthfully the only other person I considered, aside from Fred and George helping Ginny writing it, was Draco. Like father like son, embarrass both Ginny and Harry with one shot, Lucius sought to oust Dumbldore and rid Hogwarts of the Muggleborns with the Diary, possibly even knowing Riddle might rise from it's pages. All speculation true, but I find very little evidence to support Luna as the poem's author as we've had no clue to Luna's existence until Goblet with the mention of the Lovegoods by Mr. Diggory.
Cheers
:tu: :cool: :tu:Luna and Ginny where already very close friends from the beginning of OotP. The close friendship between Ginny and Luna could not have happened over night and considering the fact that Luna seems to sit apart from Ginny anyway on the journey to Hogwarts even though they are friends, and then there is no real way of telling when they met for the first time. I was merely pointing out that those lines are paraphrased in the way Luna would speak or write than any others. Luna was at Hogwarts at the time, so the letter could have been either written by her on behalf of someone else or from her, just as good as the letter coming from Fred, George or Ginny. Luna has been at Hogwarts all the time, not just during GoF and OotP and the love letter still remains a mystery, so who ever sent it probably meant it and therefore could be the one who really falls in love with Harry. Sometimes your best friend can introduce you to the love of your life and in this case it could be Ginny talking about Harry all the time and the introduction of Luna by Ginny in OotP that symbolizing such a possibility.

Edit:Then again this relationship could be wide open, for we know Luna could end up falling in love with one of the twins due to this line:'Wit beyond measure is mans greatest treasure.'I mean if this is Luna's ideal man then one of the twins would do nicely and they are in the best position to woe the girls with business probably taking off in the next book. The twins no longer need all there efforts concentrated on the joke shop, they could explore other options.

I'm a bit unsure as to what you mean here, when you say 'become pretty' do you mean as in the film portrayal like Emma's change in look between COS and POA, get a Cinderella moment as did Hermione in the Yule ball or do you just mean Bonnie herself as she grows up?

I really don't think a Cinderella moment is necessary for Ginny, she's already seems popular among her peers and is generally described in terms that can be interpreted as flattering or at least positive. On the other hand maybe a 'wow' moment for Harry to notice her 'that way' during a ball could work :eyebrows:.

I was talking about Emma's change in appearance from CoS to PoA. Mind you, I was always one of those people who said that Emma would be pretty when she was older. and we got told that it'll never happen and they laughed at us, oh yes precious, how they laughed. Well, I'm the one laughing now.

So I think that Bonnie will probably do the same thing that happened to Emma.

Thanks for the welcome, CornedBee!

How old is Bonnie? Personally, I think she's great for the role. I agree she'll probably do an Emma and become very pretty. :tu:

But this is a little off-topic. I was recently reading an interview Rowling did on a radio show, and this caught my eye:

Diane Rehm: But what have children told you?

JKR: Children... Lots of different things. The main thing, I would say, the overriding thing is that they really love the characters. They very much seem to think of them as real people. They implore me constantly, "don't kill so-and-so". I really like Washington, because in Washington I've met the highest number of people ever who've said "don't kill Hermione" who's Ron's - who's Harry's best female friend. And I have to say most people just don't really care too much about Hermione, in the sense that they think she's too clever and she'll get through it somehow. But I like Washington. Washington will stay in my mind as the place where people really thought Hermione needed a bit of backup.

(Emphasis mine)

I got the quote here (http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/1999/1299-wamu-rehm.htm).

It looks like Rowling made a bit of a slip-up here. Was she going to say, "who's Ron's girlfriend - oops, I mean... Harry's best female friend"?

It looks like Rowling made a bit of a slip-up here. Was she going to say, "who's Ron's girlfriend - oops, I mean... Harry's best female friend"?


Now, I can't hear how Rowling said it (you did say it was spoken, yes?), so it's a bit hard to comment on whether it was a slip up or not. Even if it was though, I don't think it means much. She did say it was what she heard people saying to her, so it's neither here nor there.... just another person's opinion.

Thanks for the welcome, CornedBee!

How old is Bonnie? Personally, I think she's great for the role. I agree she'll probably do an Emma and become very pretty. :tu: Oh, I know this one! She was born in 1991, iirc. She's the same age as my younger cousin. lol
It looks like Rowling made a bit of a slip-up here. Was she going to say, "who's Ron's girlfriend - oops, I mean... Harry's best female friend"?I've never seen this quote before, and I thought I'd seen them all from hanging out in this topic.

It could be a general slip-up, though. You'll notice that Ron and Hermione are usually grouped together. It could be just a habit of her to relate Hermione to Ron and vice-versa or either, she just - by habit - automatically associate Ron with Hermione.

I am tired of coming on here and changing my opinion
about the Ships,first I thought it was gonna be Harmony,
then Heron,and now its (I forgot) H/L,and I'll tell you why,
its because at the end Harry confides in Luna about Sirius,
plus we see real feelings from Harry toward Luna. So can
anybody truly deny that in that scene,and how come we
we haven't seen emotion like that between anybody else.
That was straight up heartfelt emotion.Now I am going to
stick with this one. Harry & Luna Forever!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am tired of coming on here and changing my opinion
about the Ships,first I thought it was gonna be Harmony,
then Heron,and now its (I forgot) H/L,and I'll tell you why,
its because at the end Harry confides in Luna about Sirius,
plus we see real feelings from Harry toward Luna. So can
anybody truly deny that in that scene,and how come we
we haven't seen emotion like that between anybody else.
That was straight up heartfelt emotion.Now I am going to
stick with this one. Harry & Luna Forever!!!!!!!!!!!!See, this is the problem here...not with what you ship, but the fact that you keep changing your mind and your reasoning behind it.

One should ship what he or she wants regardless, not for the reason of whether or not it's going to happen. I'm a part of HMS Merry and HMS OUO and I know those aren't happening, but I ship them because I like them (or find it fun). ^_^

Im sorry to break in dudes But iam all on for the harry and hermione relationship. Ron, to me, dosnt even look like hes in the league. Alright ron might like hermione and stuff but i have a feeling that hermione is not all paying attention to ron. i think she likes harry but she can see that he likes someone else and isnt even looking twice at her. but that dosent mean she dosent like him. i think since Cho will be outta the way, harry will have a clear field and finally realise what hermione actually is, a girl.

Im sorry to break in dudes But iam all on for the harry and hermione relationship. Ron, to me, dosnt even look like hes in the league. Alright ron might like hermione and stuff but i have a feeling that hermione is not all paying attention to ron.

Welcome to the Love Thread! Why do you think that JKR made Ron like Hermione, if he's just going to get his poor little heart broken when she goes off with his best friend?

i think she likes harry but she can see that he likes someone else and isnt even looking twice at her.

Towards the end of OotP Harry didn't like Cho anymore. Why didn't Hermione then come out and say how she really felt about him?

but that dosent mean she dosent like him. i think since Cho will be outta the way, harry will have a clear field and finally realise what hermione actually is, a girl.

What, like Ron did? :evil:

I do agree with you that now that Cho is out of the picture, Harry will have a "clear field", so to speak. As for what girl will be the next one to be under his radar, I'm hoping it's Ginny.

i think since Cho will be outta the way, harry will have a clear field and finally realise what hermione actually is, a girl.
But Harry does realise that Hermione is a girl. When he discusses the argument he had with Cho Chang in Madam Puddifoot's Hermione tells Harry he should have at least mentioned that he thought that Hermione was ugly. Harry responds, bemusedly, with 'But I don't think you're ugly'. I think that this tells us that Harry knows perfectly well that Hermione is a girl, but that he doesn't see her in the same light at all as he viewed Cho. He sees her as a friend.

Looking beyond this, there are few instances where Harry treats Hermione differently to Ron, but there is a significant differential in the way Ron treats Harry and Hermione and how Hermione herself treats Ron and Harry, the Yule ball and its build up being one of the best examples of this.

Why do you think that JKR made Ron like Hermione, if he's just going to get his poor little heart broken when she goes off with his best friend?

Well, that's life, I'm afraid. And JK did that to show the life of teenagers realistically, like she has said she wanted to do. Teenagers don't usually end up with the first person ever they have some feelings for.
And Ron's feelings may not even go as deep as you think. So don't you worry too much about him.
This author puts her characters through hell anyway. Much worse things happen in this book than Ron's broken heart.

I personally think Harry being without parents, abused by Dursleys and having a mad man after him is 100 times worse... but that's just me.

Well, that's life, I'm afraid. And JK did that to show the life of teenagers realistically, like she has said she wanted to do. Teenagers don't usually end up with the first person ever they have some feelings for.
And Ron's feelings may not even go as deep as you think. So don't you worry too much about him.
This author puts her characters through hell anyway. Much worse things happen in this book than Ron's broken heart.

I don't mean in real life, but in the purpose of literature. Ok, I'kk rephrase: What literary purpose does Ron's feelings for Hermione serve, if Hermione isn't going to be with Ron?

I don't mean in real life, but in the purpose of literature. Ok, I'kk rephrase: What literary purpose does Ron's feelings for Hermione serve, if Hermione isn't going to be with Ron?

What literaary purpose does it serve to have Ron and Hermione get together?


This is where I have a problem with the R/Hr ship. If they get together, we the reader will never see it. The book is entitled Harry Potter and the... so when will the reader get to enjoy the snogging, the worried disscussions about Harry, the hand holding, the snuggling by the fire, the small glances? We won't, unless Harry is there for every single one.


I remember reading a theory (which I don't believe) that Ron and Hermione are already going out in OotP, and we get the small glimpses of their relationship (kiss on cheek, perfume). If that theory is true, then what have we seen? Not enough to convince all the h/hr shippers out there that something is actually going on between R/Hr.

I don't understand what literary point JKR would serve by having R/Hr to hook up. Then Harry walks around feeling like a third wheeel, and the readers get cheated out of watching Ron and Hermione interact in a romantic way towards each other.

kckaye, there many theories out there about how Ron and Hermione are sort of drifting apart from Harry just a little, giving him time to bond with others (Ginny, Neville, Luna).
And about the literary purpose, I don't think any ship really has a purpose except for Harry/?, because we won't see anything like you said...just an interesting subplot

kckaye, there many theories out there about how Ron and Hermione are sort of drifting apart from Harry just a little, giving him time to bond with others (Ginny, Neville, Luna).
And about the literary purpose, I don't think any ship really has a purpose except for Harry/?, because we won't see anything like you said...just an interesting subplot


I think Ron is drifting away from Harry and Hermione. We see this in OOTP IMO. I just dont see Ron/Hermione in OOTP. I also believe its Lilly on the book cover not Ginny.

Welcome to the Love Thread! Why do you think that JKR made Ron like Hermione, if he's just going to get his poor little heart broken when she goes off with his best friend?

Its all part of growing up and i believe Luna will be there for him.

kckaye, there many theories out there about how Ron and Hermione are sort of drifting apart from Harry just a little, giving him time to bond with others (Ginny, Neville, Luna).
And about the literary purpose, I don't think any ship really has a purpose except for Harry/?, because we won't see anything like you said...just an interesting subplot

I haven't heard any teories of Ron/Hermione drifting from Harry. IMO its the exact opposite. Harry is drifting further from Ron and Hermione. I have a theory how r/Hr would get together if this holds true, but again, we the reader won't get to enjoy it, because Harry won't be there to witness it.

I agree with your second point that its a divice to get Harry to bond with others, he's going to need all the help he can get. I'm just not so sure that this is going to turn out to be a suger coated way of getting Harry /? together, and have them go on a double date, and book 6 be a romantic novel. I think that the whole "who will end up with who?" is a minor subplot to Harry overcoming his obstacles and defeating Voldemort. But since these characters are teenagers afterall, there is the inevitatble discussion of who likes who, and who thinks who is cute. :) And look, I got caught in up init too. :)

I just don't see how important of a storyline r/hr and h/?, is to the overall theme of defeating the bad guy and saving the world.

I don't mean in real life, but in the purpose of literature. Ok, I'kk rephrase: What literary purpose does Ron's feelings for Hermione serve, if Hermione isn't going to be with Ron?
Well, it's always good for creating conflict and drama... so that the character relationships wouldn't stay flat and predictable in an otherwise well written and intense story.
Every romance related conflict doesn't have to mean it's a romance novel right away. There are thousands of ways a good writer can write a story. Who knows what JK has planned.

But it's clear that both R/Hr if it happens or H/? need to have a literary purpose. And it all has to be connected to the main character who's story is this. If it's a background romance that we only hear a few words about, then not. But if it's some of the main characters, it needs to have a purpose in Harry's story. Ron can't just have feelings for Hermione without it being somehow connected to Harry.

What literaary purpose does it serve to have Ron and Hermione get together?


This is where I have a problem with the R/Hr ship. If they get together, we the reader will never see it. The book is entitled Harry Potter and the... so when will the reader get to enjoy the snogging, the worried disscussions about Harry, the hand holding, the snuggling by the fire, the small glances? We won't, unless Harry is there for every single one.


I remember reading a theory (which I don't believe) that Ron and Hermione are already going out in OotP, and we get the small glimpses of their relationship (kiss on cheek, perfume). If that theory is true, then what have we seen? Not enough to convince all the h/hr shippers out there that something is actually going on between R/Hr.

I don't understand what literary point JKR would serve by having R/Hr to hook up. Then Harry walks around feeling like a third wheeel, and the readers get cheated out of watching Ron and Hermione interact in a romantic way towards each other.
IMO, romance is one of the many subplots in the books. It may well be that until the end of book 7, we only see the tension and bickering between R/Hr and don't actually see them being a couple until the epilogue. If JKR writes it this way, it will be more of a comic relief of sorts to see Ron and Hermione skirting around their feelings and not being able to express their love and being clueless about it.

I agree that Harry's romance is more important than his sidekick's. That's why we still don't know who he'll end up with, while we are continuing to get hints and glimpses of Ron and Hermione's feelings for each other. I'm really not interested in reading about Ron and Hermione interact in a romantic way. It would be enough just to know that they got together. I am more interested in the hero's romance and I believe we'll see that in HBP and 7.

If Ron and Hermione do get together in the course of the books, I don't believe Harry will be the third wheel. Harry will be involved in many other things and from the cover artworks, I imagine him working closer with Dumbledore and preparing for the final battle. Besides, I think Ron and Hermione will have the sense to spare some time for their friend instead of being engrossed in each other all the time.

Its all part of growing up and i believe Luna will be there for him.
Would Ron even accept that? Seeing as he does not like Luna-- even as a friend. He never hesitates to be rude, he hurries up to put an end to conversations, and he's called her a nutter, and called her Looney to her face!
And by the end of OotP Luna doesn't seem so hot for Ron, if the laugh on the train started her crush- then shouldn't the whole "Luna was the only one not laughing [at Ron's joke] end it? :agree:

And lets say we assume Luna likes Ron---- wouoldn't her crush have more of a chance of failing then Rons crush on Hermione (as multiple passages in the books, and multiple JKR quotes showt he R/Hr thing to be 2 way, and the few R/L passages in one book are all one way)

I don't get why R/Hr has to fail because Ron likes her and has to have his crush fail, but Luna-- a more minor character ends up with her first crush

Ron can't just have feelings for Hermione without it being somehow connected to Harry.
what do you mean?
Ron has liked Hermione a lot longer then the zero seconds Harry has. So Ron's adoration of her didn't stem from Harry liking her- or harry going to end up with her (To quote Jo: No! <snip> but I won't say the same for anyone else // whose Harry's best female friend,//Do you really think their suited?)

If Ron and Hermione do get together in the course of the books, I don't believe Harry will be the third wheel. Harry will be involved in many other things and from the cover artworks, I imagine him working closer with Dumbledore and preparing for the final battle. Besides, I think Ron and Hermione will have the sense to spare some time for their friend instead of being engrossed in each other all the time.

besides- harry may have a little romance of his own ;)
(before Ron and Hermione date)

Well, it's always good for creating conflict and drama... so that the character relationships wouldn't stay flat and predictable in an otherwise well written and intense story.But it would be a bit pointless to do, as this isn't Ron's story; it's Harry's.
Every romance related conflict doesn't have to mean it's a romance novel right away. There are thousands of ways a good writer can write a story. Who knows what JK has planned.Very true, but, with the sidekicks and the background characters, their romance wouldn't really be that important. The only one that should actually matter is Harry's, not the chance of creating a possible love-triangle.
But it's clear that both R/Hr if it happens or H/? need to have a literary purpose. And it all has to be connected to the main character who's story is this. If it's a background romance that we only hear a few words about, then not.That's why Ron x Hermione wouldn't be much of a problem because it wouldn't take up a bunch of page-space and we, the readers, wouldn't have to focus on it because they're the sidekicks, not the hero.
But if it's some of the main characters, it needs to have a purpose in Harry's story.Not entirely. This story is about Harry's life, not Ron's, and not Hermione's. Regardless of whoever they hook up with (Ron could get with someone else, same as Hermione), the only romance we, the readers, should be focusing on "importance-wise" is Harry's. His romance is the only one that should be getting this extra page space, not the other characters.
Ron can't just have feelings for Hermione without it being somehow connected to Harry.I'm a bit lost here. Are you saying that Ron has feelings for Hermione because of Harry or to outdo him? ^^

Would Ron even accept that? Seeing as he does not like Luna-- even as a friend. He never hesitates to be rude, he hurries up to put an end to conversations, and he's called her a nutter, and called her Looney to her face!
And by the end of OotP Luna doesn't seem so hot for Ron, if the laugh on the train started her crush- then shouldn't the whole "Luna was the only one not laughing [at Ron's joke] end it? :agree:

And lets say we assume Luna likes Ron---- wouoldn't her crush have more of a chance of failing then Rons crush on Hermione (as multiple passages in the books, and multiple JKR quotes showt he R/Hr thing to be 2 way, and the few R/L passages in one book are all one way)

I don't get why R/Hr has to fail because Ron likes her and has to have his crush fail, but Luna-- a more minor character ends up with her first crush


what do you mean?
Ron has liked Hermione a lot longer then the zero seconds Harry has. So Ron's adoration of her didn't stem from Harry liking her- or harry going to end up with her (To quote Jo: No! <snip> but I won't say the same for anyone else // whose Harry's best female friend,//Do you really think their suited?)


besides- harry may have a little romance of his own ;)
(before Ron and Hermione date)



I'm going to take your arguement paragraph by paragraph:
1) I find it interesting that anti Ron and Luna shippers are quick to point out Ron's hurtful actions toward Luna, but yet when Harry and Hermione shippers point out the SAME type of behavior Ron has towards Hermione its explained away as sexual tension. I think that Luna does like Ron. I think that she is infatuated with him. She sees him like no one else ever as: the Center of attention. The only person that matters. She doesn't see him as one of seven children, the 6th and last son, an "average joe". Luna sees Ron for all the good that he represents. Hes loyal, brave, (everything that Gryffandors should be), sees him as his own person, not best friend/sidekick to the Boy- Who-Lived. She comes up to the Gyrffandor table to wish not Ron AND Harry good luck, but Ronald only. She sings "Weasly is our king". NOw this is what I think is interesting. She is caught humming "Weasley is our king" the Slytherin version, but what does she sing? Not the bad parts, just "Weasley is our King" .

You asked the question of would ron accept Luna affection: Now, no. But there are two books left, and if Harry's opinion of Luna can change in one book, why can't Ron's? Why can't Ron finally realize that Luna is seeing Ronald for all the good that he is, and is capable of?

2) I think that what is meant by yxs was trying to say about Ron and Hermione's romance, is that these books are about Harry Potter, and so everything that the reader learns about has to have some sort of connection to Harry or to his story.

3) As for the last part about Harry having a little romance of her own, I don't disagree. He is after all a 16 year old boy in this next book, I wouldn't expect anything less. But its Harry's story, so we, the reader would get to see what happens to Ahrry on his date (Madame Puttifooot's anyone?). At this point in time, without having read book 6, I personally find it to be a long shot that Harry pairs up with some girl, just because Ron/Hermione have decided to get together.


Firebolt:
I agree with you in that JK could be building up R/Hr for an Epologue type pairing. (Kind of make us all look stupid for all these years: "Next book, it's going to happen, you'll see) :)

I agree that R/Hr is a possibility. I also agree that its a subplot to the story, and that this is Harry's life we are reading and learning about.

I also agree that Harry will have a lot on his plate, and be involved in so many other things. I aslo think that Hary however will learn that these petty arguements over who likes whom? are meaningless to the big picture.
However, I still think that if Ron and Hermione do get together, that we, the reader will not get to enjoy watching it all unfold, because it's not Harry's story. I'm not denying the possibility, just the literary purpose of getting them together.

I think Ron is drifting away from Harry and Hermione. We see this in OOTP IMO.IMO, I feel its the opposite. I felt that Harry was drifting away from both Ron and Hermione, as he started to hold back telling the both of them much of anything at one point. Harry became more secretive.
I just dont see Ron/Hermione in OOTP.I don't see Harry x Hermione in OotP, unfortunately. >< Although, hints or not, the way Hermione was towards Ron for the "girl" thing and how she was towards Harry just seemed...well, suspicious and curious.

IMO, I feel its the opposite. I felt that Harry was drifting away from both Ron and Hermione, as he started to hold back telling the both of them much of anything at one point. Harry became more secretive.
I don't see Harry x Hermione in OotP, unfortunately. >< Although, hints or not, the way Hermione was towards Ron for the "girl" thing and how she was towards Harry just seemed...well, suspicious and curious.

Well Hermione just seemed to be so intent on helping Harry in OOTP and if Ron got in the way she would ignore Ron over Harry. We saw this with the whole Harry and Hermione going off to see Grawp and missing Rons big moment. She always came up with DA and went to see Harry at Grimald place and we know she went to see Harry straight away as she still had her coat on and there was snow on her. So she didnt stand around she went straight to see Harry.

Well Hermione just seemed to be so intent on helping Harry in OOTP and if Ron got in the way she would ignore Ron over Harry. So she didnt stand around she went straight to see Harry.

Daz, thank you! :) You just summarized my second problem with the Ron and Hermione ship.

Hermione is always putting Harry first before Ron. This will have to change if Ron and Hermione get together. Otherwise, I see another arguement between Ron and Hermione. Don't get me wrong, I think that Ron is a good friend as well, and be there for Harry, but any 16 going on 17 year old boy, s going to want to spend time with his girlfriend alone, and forget about the real world even if its only for a moment.

I do think that JKR can write ron and Hermions is a believeable fashion. However I think that Hermione already knows that Harry needs all the help he can get, and I think Ron is still a little naeive in accepting the Voldemort is out to get Harry. I think that this can (and hopefully will) change in the coming books. But at this point in time, I think that it is an obstacle that blocks R/Hr.

Well Hermione just seemed to be so intent on helping Harry in OOTPShe's his friend, why wouldn't she?
and if Ron got in the way she would ignore Ron over Harry.That depends on the situation. Which is more important? Ron's being upset over...hmm, Snape for whatever reason, or Harry having to deal with another Voldemort-related obstacle in his already very stressful life?
We saw this with the whole Harry and Hermione going off to see Grawp and missing Rons big moment.No offense, but this is a really poor example.

Let us switch the roles now, shall we? I used this as an example last time.

Hagrid needed a distraction to show Grawp to the kids; Ron was the distraction. Both were hesitant to go along with Hagrid because they wanted to watch the match. But, against their wishes, and realizing that it had to have been important for Hagrid to even insist on their going along.

Now, JK had Harry kicked off the team for a reason, and this was most likely the reason, logically speaking. Hermione's being on the Quidditch team would've been very out of character, especially since she hates flying. Anyway, going back to what I was saying, if Harry would've stayed on, then Ron and Hermione would've gone to see Grawp, and we, the readers, wouldn't have seen it because Harry wouldn't have been there.

If we wouldn't have seen Grawp, the scene where he literally saves them wouldn't have made much sense.
She always came up with DASo did Ron, so did Cho, so did Ginny, so did Colin, so did anyone who wanted to learn DADA properly.
and went to see Harry at Grimald place and we know she went to see Harry straight away as she still had her coat on and there was snow on her.In the text, it is said that she talked to Ron and Ginny first. They told her what was going on with Harry. She knew about the attack, but didn't know about Harry's being locked up in the room, depressed, until they told her. That probably led her to go talk to Harry, because she's friends with Ron and Ginny too.

If Hermione is in love with Ron she would not have left Harry could of done it on his own. Ron has had very few chances to shine and he does and the Girl he loves/Crush missis it. Im sorry this shows Hermione sees Ron as a friend as if she has any feelings for Ron she would of put him first and waited to see how he performed and we saw Ron was upset about it. Also the lack luster response to Ron's perfum. None of it adds up Hermione is showing no signs of a crush let alone Love.

All so text says Hermione came up with DA everybody else thought it was a good idea after tho.

Well Hermione just seemed to be so intent on helping Harry in OOTP and if Ron got in the way she would ignore Ron over Harry. We saw this with the whole Harry and Hermione going off to see Grawp and missing Rons big moment. She always came up with DA and went to see Harry at Grimald place and we know she went to see Harry straight away as she still had her coat on and there was snow on her. So she didnt stand around she went straight to see Harry.
At this point Harry has more problems and troubles than Ron does and Hermione obviously wants to help her friend out.

I have to disagree with you, that Hermione chooses Harry over Ron. The Grawp incident was because of her concern for Hagrid and besides, Hermione and Harry weren't expecting Ron to play spectacularly and missed it intentionally. Someone else had a theory about Hermione's lack of interest in quidditch because she didn't want to see Ron being humiliated on the quidditch field.
Hermione didn't come up with DA to help Harry but for herself and others to learn practical defence.
I think its more telling that Ron and Ginny tell her as soon as she arrived at 12 GP about Harry's behaviour that they don't even let her take her coat off or anything. How would she know where he was hiding otherwise?

I don't think you've shown that Hermione's concern for Harry overshadows her feelings for Ron.

If Hermione is in love with Ron she would not have left Harry could of done it on his own.Hagrid asked for both of them to come, which meant that what he needed to tell them or show them, he needed both for.

Hermione isn't the type to turn down a friend in need of help and Hagrid was looking pretty bad, iirc, when he approached them, looking more beat up than usual. Even if Harry was playing, and she went along and I was a Harmony shipper, I still wouldn't have thought anything of it because Hermione's helping others is in her nature. Remember how both Harry and Ron met her for the first time, she was "helping" Neville.

If Hermione hadn't have gone along with Harry after Hagrid specifically asked for both of them to come along, I would've found it out of character for her.
Ron has had very few chances to shine and he does and the Girl he loves/Crush missis it.But, like she said before, she doesn't have to rely on Ron's goal-keeping abilities to make her happy. She's happy with him just the way he is.
Im sorry this shows Hermione sees Ron as a friend as if she has any feelings for Ron she would of put him first..I'm sure Ron would've done the same thing, given the situation. Hagrid was bruised worse than usual, and he asked for the both of them. Even if he didn't want to leave, I'm sure he would have and Hermione and Harry both, if I'm remembering right, were asking if they could wait or whatever, and Hagrid said they couldn't.
and waited to see how he performed and we saw Ron was upset about it. Yeah, he was upset, but that was probably because his two best friends missed it, not just Hermione. But, if you notice, after they explain their reason, he was cool again and understood that it was vital for them to go along with Hagrid to see what the problem was.
Also the lack luster response to Ron's perfum. None of it adds up Hermione is showing no signs of a crush let alone Love.Personally, I felt that Hermione was a bit flabbergasted, or didn't know how to reply or respond to the gift. It's like when a person gets a gift from someone that's way beyond unexpected, and you don't know how to react to it, but that was my interpretation, as what she said was true. It was an unusual gift.

Who knows though, if Harry hadn't have been there, the two probably would've talked about it, but then we wouldn't have seen it because Harry wouldn't have been there.

Let's look at this logically...how many people do you know of would be comfortable with a possible a crush, talking about a possible romantic present given to you by said person in front of another person? The fact that Ron didn't continue it and changed the subject fast, kinda gave me that impression.
All so text says Hermione came up with DA everybody else thought it was a good idea after tho.Sorry, I must've misread, I thought you said "came to" not "came up".

That aside, she did come up with it (she was concerned about her OWLS at the time...but later that changed), and she obviously talked with Ron about it before approaching Harry. I don't see what the deal is or what this particularly proves.

It shows us the readers that she thinks alot about Harry and speands alot of time thinking about ways of helping him when he is not around. This to me says alot more about who Hermione fancys than her putting Ron down or just missing his big game.

It shows us the readers that she thinks alot about Harry and speands alot of time thinking about ways of helping him when he is not around. This to me says alot more about who Hermione fancys than her putting Ron down or just missing his big game.To me, it doesn't show that, but we're obviously going to disagree on this point, and have to agree to do so.

Just because she tries to help him, or thnk of ways to does not mean she's automatically in love with the guy or have a crush on him. Harry needs Hermione, she's his voice of reason, and voice of logic. She's his advice giver.

And you keep forgetting, Harry missed Ron's game too. They coudn't help but miss it.

And you notice that the times, in OotP, when Hermione is snappish at him, it's usually based around romance or girls? This, to me, shows that Hermione really wants Ron to get the point on this subject. With Harry, she's more patient and more civil on this topic, even amused, although he's equally clueless. Why would she be more concerned about Ron here on this subject, when he's not even in a relationship?

Hello! well I am new here and I mainly ship all ships (I see a potential in all of them).So please don't mind if I keep on contradicting myself because its just so hard to make the decision .:)
Well I think in HP each female character(and even male characters) have a definite role, Hermione as the voice of reason in the trio, Luna representing faith (and strangely just look at it, sirius leaving... Luna entering.. new influence?), Ginny representing the ability to stand up for people. Harry is friends with them all. And these relationships either deepen, somehow modify, change etc. I think Harry and hermiones relationship has really modified a lot but on the other hand Harry never shows any romantic interest in her but anyways he had his cho glasses on so well you couldn't expect him to like anyone else... he needed to get out of that phase first., With Ginny.. she clearly has become a very supportive friend of Harry but on the other hand well Harry doesn't really show any romantic interest in her despite after the literary make- over, Luna helps harry with sirius's death but on the other hand a relationship couldn't be really based on pity alone.
If Hermione is in love with Ron she would not have left Harry could of done it on his own. Ron has had very few chances to shine and he does and the Girl he loves/Crush missis it. Im sorry this shows Hermione sees Ron as a friend as if she has any feelings for Ron she would of put him first and waited to see how he performed and we saw Ron was upset about it. Also the lack luster response to Ron's perfum. None of it adds up Hermione is showing no signs of a crush let alone Love.

All so text says Hermione came up with DA everybody else thought it was a good idea after tho.

I love hermione and by no ways I hate Harry/Hermione ship or anything but IMO but consider the situation, Harry is clearly a bit more reckless in this book and he is fairly burdened, I think hermione's just being herself, worrying as usual, and even Ron doesn't seem to mind that she is giving Harry importance because he knows Harry needs it. I agree Harry had a few chances to shine but I don't think Hermione really misses it, basically during the match before the Grawp scene, the match wasn't going that well and if I am not mistaken ron wasn't playing quite well. I don't think Hermione would like to watch the she would have a crush on play badly. But you make a quite good point of why hermione can't like Ron.

uhh I am quite nervous, anyways english is not my first language so my apologies to anyone who found my english "irking" :p

Shipping: Harmony, Heron, Moonlight, Chocolate, Red Moons and Signs.

Well Hermione just seemed to be so intent on helping Harry in OOTP and if Ron got in the way she would ignore Ron over Harry. We saw this with the whole Harry and Hermione going off to see Grawp and missing Rons big moment. She always came up with DA and went to see Harry at Grimald place and we know she went to see Harry straight away as she still had her coat on and there was snow on her. So she didnt stand around she went straight to see Harry.

And because Hermione helps Harry (the main character with all the conflict) that means she loves Harry? I'm sorry, but that's no more proof than saying Sirius helped Harry with Snape's Worse Memory, meaning Sirius has a thing for Harry.

And your assumption about Hermione ignoring Ron is wrong. Take a closer look in OoP where Harry gets kicked off the team. JKR doesn't tell us what Hermione says to him, the first thing Hermione says in the entire part is, "Have you seen Ron?" And then gets upset, "I think he's avoiding us!"

She couldn't NOT see Grawp. She came up with the DA for everyone, but suggested Harry teach it because he was the best. And you really need to reread OoP, because she didn't know anything about Harry until Ron and Ginny told her (that's canon... reread that part).

I highly suggest rereading those moments because you are off on them.

And because Hermione helps Harry (the main character with all the conflict) that means she loves Harry? I'm sorry, but that's no more proof than saying Sirius helped Harry with Snape's Worse Memory, meaning Sirius has a thing for Harry.
I totally agree. Harry is one of Hermione's best friends, and given all that the poor boy has to face, surely it would be unnatural if she didn't worry about him and try to help him? She's not the only one. Throughout OotP there are any number of characters worrying about Harry and trying to help him: Mrs Weasley and Sirius who argue over the best way to help him, Dumbledore who thought Harry had enough to be worrying about not to make him a prefect, Ginny and the twins who help him speak to Sirius... If we are suggesting that help or concern is a barometer for love, then yes, I agree, it probably is, but not for romance.

So Hermione giving Harry advice after his bad date helps him how?

When Luna stands up for Harry and says she believes Harry, now Hermione should be happy but again she gets annoyed.

She reaches Harry when nobody else can. Grimald place at xmas and Harry goes to check on Sirus after a big heated fight with Hermione. Again its showing the reader what a strong bond they have.

She helps him out, she came up with DA and got Rita to do the story on Harry.

She believes in Harry more than Ron. We see this with the prefect scene. She was 100% convinced it was going to be Harry.


Ron
She falls asleep at his party
She does not like Xmas gift.
She is rude to him and puts him down.
Misses big game.
Loses interest in Quidditch after Harry stops playing.

I'm going to take your arguement paragraph by paragraph:
1) I find it interesting that anti Ron and Luna shippers are quick to point out Ron's hurtful actions toward Luna, but yet when Harry and Hermione shippers point out the SAME type of behavior Ron has towards Hermione its explained away as sexual tension. I think that Luna does like Ron. I think that she is infatuated with him. She sees him like no one else ever as: the Center of attention. The only person that matters. She doesn't see him as one of seven children, the 6th and last son, an "average joe". Luna sees Ron for all the good that he represents. Hes loyal, brave, (everything that Gryffandors should be), sees him as his own person, not best friend/sidekick to the Boy- Who-Lived. She comes up to the Gyrffandor table to wish not Ron AND Harry good luck, but Ronald only. She sings "Weasly is our king". NOw this is what I think is interesting. She is caught humming "Weasley is our king" the Slytherin version, but what does she sing? Not the bad parts, just "Weasley is our King".
Your last statement here is incorrect Luna is humming the song "Weasley is Our King". As a whole. The text doesn't say anywhere that she only sings one line. I don't believe that Luna has particularly strong feelings for Ron. Staring at somelike as if you're watching "a mildly interesting TV program" doesn't sound like a crush. I think her behavior in the earlier parts of the book is meant to accentuate her oddness.
Also, Ron does not act towards Luna the way he acts towards Hermione. Ron talks with Hermione, they discuss and argue about their opinions, and he has certainly shown romantic attraction to her in his jealousy about Victor, his reaction to her kiss, and his buying her perfume.

You asked the question of would ron accept Luna affection: Now, no. But there are two books left, and if Harry's opinion of Luna can change in one book, why can't Ron's? Why can't Ron finally realize that Luna is seeing Ronald for all the good that he is, and is capable of?
Harry has already started thinking about Luna differently and respecting her beliefs. Ron has not, and has shown no signs of doing so - he still thinks Luna is a complete nutter. In order for R/L to have any chance, Ron's feeligns need to do a complete about-face. Also, since Ron isn't the main character and the book isn't written from him PoV, we would have less opportuinity to see his feelings change. Considering the degree to which his feeligns have to change, it would make the relationship a very difficult one to write, especially considering not a lot of time could be spent on it due to lack of relevance. If Harry's two best frinds getting together isn't of importance, than his two best friends dating other, less primary characters is even less important.

I don't think Ron/Hermione has a great literary purpose, at least not insofar as relates to the primary plot (Harry vs. Voldemort). I think it is meant to provide some light moments in books that will become steadily darker; I think it is to show actual normal teenage problems alongside the large and not-reglar problems the Trio face. I think it is meant to add a little fun to the books without overwhelming the plot. This is consistent with the statements JKR has made about romance. She has been asked about it many times, and has always dealt with it as being something small, a subplot. Beyond that - I just don't think JKR would build something up of two books and then do nothing about it. R/Hr has no great purpose, and if JKR had never started writing it the books would be fine without it - but JKR has been writing scenes that indicate it, and those scenes would be a waste of page space if she didn't intend to follow them up. She's already said that we have enough clues and ought to know by now what will happen.

That aside, she did come up with it (she was concerned about her OWLS at the time...but later that changed), and she obviously talked with Ron about it before approaching Harry. I don't see what the deal is or what this particularly proves.

Hermione did not think up the DA solely for Harry's benefit. Rather the contrary - Harry didn't need the DA then; he was the one student in their year who didn't need extra DADA practice. The rest of the students, not Harry, were the ones who needed the DA. Hermione made it because 1.) they needed more practice for OWLS and 2.) they needed to be able to fight if the War came to Hogwarts at some point. They needed to be able to defend themselves. Not everything does is for Harry's benefit - if it was, there would be something wrong with her.

So Hermione giving Harry advice after his bad date helps him how?

Which bit are you referring to?

When Luna stands up for Harry and says she believes Harry, now Hermione should be happy but again she gets annoyed.

Were not you just saying that Luna liked Ron? So if Luna liked Ron, and Hermione was being hostile to Luna, and Luna liked Ron... wonder why that was. :evil:

She reaches Harry when nobody else can. Grimald place at xmas and Harry goes to check on Sirus after a big heated fight with Hermione. Again its showing the reader what a strong bond they have.

Could she help Harry talk to Sirius? Could she convince him he's not being possessed? Could she help him after Sirius died? No, but other people could. Hermione is not the whole world, and everyone makes her out to be. Simply not canon.

Yes, a strong bond of FRIENDSHIP.

She helps him out, she came up with DA and got Rita to do the story on Harry.

And it's because he's her best friend! Does she blush and not meet his eyes when talking about Krum? No, that's Ron, not Harry.

She believes in Harry more than Ron. We see this with the prefect scene. She was 100% convinced it was going to be Harry.

So was everyone. Not like Ron wanted to be a prefect anyway. How is that shippy?

Ron
She falls asleep at his party

She was tired. She walked out of Harry's party once. Who cares?

She does not like Xmas gift.

Matter of interpretation.

She is rude to him and puts him down.

She puts him down when he's being clueless about girls. Wonder why.

Misses big game.

Had to!

Loses interest in Quidditch after Harry stops playing.

Prove it.

And you notice that the times, in OotP, when Hermione is snappish at him, it's usually based around romance or girls? This, to me, shows that Hermione really wants Ron to get the point on this subject. With Harry, she's more patient and more civil on this topic, even amused, although he's equally clueless. Why would she be more concerned about Ron here on this subject, when he's not even in a relationship?

Just wanted to respond to this point: I think that Hermione is more aggressive with Ron then she is with Harry, because Ron doesn't have any clue when it comes to girls...at least Harry is giving it a shot "Oh Harry you're as bad as ron....no you're not." Why should she be patient with someone who has no clue, and isn't understanding you when you are trying to help. Or are you going to be more patient with those who are actually taking in your advice and trying to apply it?

This to me is a good example of Ron and Hermione's relationship. I think that at times Hermione snaps at Ron, and visa-versa when it is not needed, but the point is that these two have opinions, that the other one just isn't hearing, or actually paying any attention to. There is little middle ground (it seems to me) for these two characters. We have Ron's opinion, Hermione's opinion, and no area of possible compromise.



1- Also, Ron does not act towards Luna the way he acts towards Hermione. Ron talks with Hermione, they discuss and argue about their opinions, and he has certainly shown romantic attraction to her in his jealousy about Victor, his reaction to her kiss, and his buying her perfume.


2- In order for R/L to have any chance, Ron's feeligns need to do a complete about-face. Also, since Ron isn't the main character and the book isn't written from him PoV, we would have less opportuinity to see his feelings change. Considering the degree to which his feeligns have to change, it would make the relationship a very difficult one to write, especially considering not a lot of time could be spent on it due to lack of relevance. If Harry's two best frinds getting together isn't of importance, than his two best friends dating other, less primary characters is even less important.

3- I don't think Ron/Hermione has a great literary purpose, at least not insofar as relates to the primary plot (Harry vs. Voldemort). R/Hr has no great purpose, and if JKR had never started writing it the books would be fine without it - but JKR has been writing scenes that indicate it, and those scenes would be a waste of page space if she didn't intend to follow them up. She's already said that we have enough clues and ought to know by now what will happen.


1- I agree that Ropn act differently towards Hermione and Luna. But as I recall, Ron's first impression of Hermiones wasn't a friendly one either. That all changed by the end of one book, when the trio came into existance. Why can't the same thing happen with LUna?

2- I agree that a R/L pairing will have even less 'screentime' then R/Hermione, but does that mean that it can't happen? Why is it so hard to believe that Ron can change his feelings about LUna, when he treated Hermione in a similar fashion when they first met?

3- So then why spend more time on it then neccesary? I agree with a pervious poster that said this bantering/sexual tension/whatever else r/hr shippers call it, can continue. I personally don't understand how its comical relief. To me comical is funny, where the reader laughs at something. I have never laughed at a ronand Hermione conversation, but I have had to stop reading due to laughter because of Fred and George's antics. (To me the Ron/Hermione elationship isn't funny, just sad and belittling, but that's my opinion).

My question is why do Ron and Hermione have to get together at all? I know that is what a lot of people want, but how is it futhering the plot line? Why do shippers continue to support a ship, that they realistically won't get to see much of, because neither Ron's nor Hermione's name are Harry Potter. Why can't they continue to bicker/banter (whatever you want to call it), remain friends, and help Harry kick some Voldmort butt? Why must they have a romantic pairing? What would be the point of it all?

It's these last few questions that I have trouble answering. I think that the R/Hr is plausible. I can understand the r/hr shippers p.o.v, but I just don't see the point of having these two characters hook up.

Personally, I felt that Hermione was a bit flabbergasted, or didn't know how to reply or respond to the gift. It's like when a person gets a gift from someone that's way beyond unexpected, and you don't know how to react to it, but that was my interpretation, as what she said was true. It was an unusual gift.

I heard, online (supposedly from someone from the UK, but I don't actually know if he was) that, in the UK, the term "unusual" when used in respect to a gift means something like, the gift was completely out of order. Of course, it was from an H/Hr shipper, so he could have just been pulling arguments...I digress.

Hagrid asked for both of them to come, which meant that what he needed to tell them or show them, he needed both for.

Extremely important fact: These books are NOT real life. If they were every single "Well, duh, they're friends" point would be valid. But when it's specifically written that way, that argument no longer holds water.

Why did JKR write Ron out of so many of the parts? Taken seperately and alone, none of the parts without Ron really mean much, one way or the other.
Taken collectively, it seemed, to me, that she was trying to lessen Ron's part in the trio, or show Harry and Hermione getting closer. That's just how I see it, though.

If Hermione is in love with Ron she would not have left Harry could of done it on his own. Ron has had very few chances to shine and he does and the Girl he loves/Crush missis it. Im sorry this shows Hermione sees Ron as a friend as if she has any feelings for Ron she would of put him first and waited to see how he performed and we saw Ron was upset about it. Also the lack luster response to Ron's perfum. None of it adds up Hermione is showing no signs of a crush let alone Love.
I truly hope that Harmonians don't think so little of Hermione as to believe this of her. 'If she is in love with Ron, then she'd abandon her friends in order to watch him fly around on a broom playing some silly game'?? :td:

Her friend Hagrid showed up, pleading for help, and bleeding profusely from the head. He was obviously in need of their assistance, and knew that that was the perfect moment, when everyone's attention was elsewhere, and Harry & Hermione wouldn't be missed. Were Hermione to have responded with "Oh, sorry Hagrid, I don't think I will. I want to stay and watch Ron catch Quaffles. Harry, why don't you go!", then what would we have thought of her then? And how horribly out of character would that have been for Hermione?

All so text says Hermione came up with DA everybody else thought it was a good idea after tho.
It was Hermione's idea. And Ron stood right beside her, to convince Harry that it was a very good idea.

Hermione is the brains of the Trio. She is the smart, pro-active one who gets things done. Let me ask this: How realistic would it have been for Ron (or any other character) to think up the DA? Why wouldn't Rowling have used clever Hermione for that? She's the perfect character to come up with that scenario in a realistic, believable way.

But how do either of these things prove that a) Hermione does not have romantic feelings for Ron or b) Hermione does have romantic feelings for Harry? :huh:

Just wanted to respond to this point: I think that Hermione is more aggressive with Ron then she is with Harry, because Ron doesn't have any clue when it comes to girls...at least Harry is giving it a shot "Oh Harry you're as bad as ron....no you're not." Why should she be patient with someone who has no clue, and isn't understanding you when you are trying to help. Or are you going to be more patient with those who are actually taking in your advice and trying to apply it?

This to me is a good example of Ron and Hermione's relationship. I think that at times Hermione snaps at Ron, and visa-versa when it is not needed, but the point is that these two have opinions, that the other one just isn't hearing, or actually paying any attention to. There is little middle ground (it seems to me) for these two characters. We have Ron's opinion, Hermione's opinion, and no area of possible compromise.
Can you give an example of Harry actually listening to Hermione and taking her advice about girls/ In fact after his conversation with her at one point, he thinks her explanation made things even more complicated and he wishes he could speak to Sirius about girls.
I agree with SSJ_Jup that she doesn't go about advising Ron on how to understand girls but gets angry and short with him instead.

At the end of OoP Ron and Hermione begin to agree on more things. Whether anyone wants to acknowledge it or not, Hermione and Ron are becoming more considerate of each other.

In OoP when they were talking about Podmore, and how he got arrested, Ron threw out a theory, Harry disagreed and Hermione said that he had a good point. There's agreement. They have agreement, whether you want to admit it or not. And they don't fight all the time!

So Hermione giving Harry advice after his bad date helps him how?Please, explain to me how Hermione would've known that Harry's date would go bad before hand? Canon, text, something. I hope I'm not coming across as rude, but this is one perception of Hermione's character I truly truly dislike.

The advice will be good for Harry in the long run for any other relationship he may get in.
When Luna stands up for Harry and says she believes Harry, now Hermione should be happy but again she gets annoyed.As JKR said, Luna is the "anti-Hermione". She's spiritual, so to speak. Hermione is the type that needs concrete proof of something before she believes it, Luna doesn't and this irks Hermione. To Hermione, she thinks she's crazy because of what she believes in and doesn't take what she says or claims seriously, which she learned from Ginny.
She reaches Harry when nobody else can.Yeah, because she wasn't a Weasley. Harry was avoiding the Weasleys. Hermione is not a Weasley, he had no reason to avoid her.
Harry goes to check on Sirus after a big heated fight with Hermione.Once again, it is in Hermione's character to worry and look before she leaps. She needs facts and proof before she runs headon into something for the most part.
Again its showing the reader what a strong bond they have.Of course, they're friends. Harry has a strong bond with Ron too, which may be a bit stronger than what he has with Hermione, but I don't see anyone going around saying that Harry x Ron should be together.
She helps him out, she came up with DALike I said before, she was doing this more so for herself in the beginning, because of the OWLs.
and got Rita to do the story on Harry.She wanted the truth out there and to help her friend get his name cleared and not shown as being crazy. What friend wouldn't?
She believes in Harry more than Ron.Canon please.
We see this with the prefect scene. She was 100% convinced it was going to be Harry.And so was Ron, so that must mean that he believes in Harry more than himself. Oh yeah, Harry felt that he deserved it too. That must mean that Harry belives in Harry more than Ron. The twins thought the badge would've been for Harry too, which means they "believe in Harry" more than their own brother.

Hermione was embarassed for assuming the badge was Harry's (as when she entered the room, it was in Harry's hands). You know what happens when you "assume", and she certainly did.
She falls asleep at his partyIt is indicated, in the text, that Ron had already talked to Hermione about his making the team, and Ron even said to Harry that she seemed happy about, but did look "put out" that she had fallen asleep.

And speaking of that, she had a reason for being tired and falling asleep. She told Harry that she ahd been up past midnight the previous night knitting. The fact that she tried to sit there, even though she was extremely tired, showed that she did care enough about Ron to try and make the effort, when she could've ditched the party altogether.
She does not like Xmas gift.There's no canon showing this. She said that the gift was "unusual". That's pretty neutral. She could've meant that his giving her perfume in general was unusual.
She is rude to him and puts him down.Harry questioned Hermione's loyalty and has yelled at her at times and made her cry, Ron hasn't, but the situations have been different. Hermione doesn't put Ron down, for the record. She gets frustrated with him, but can you point out any place, in canon, where she's literally put him down where Ron actually reacted to it or cared?
Misses big game.Please, re-read this scene again. If Hermione had stayed, it would have been HIGHLY out of character for her.
Loses interest in Quidditch after Harry stops playing.That's just not particularly true, as she's never been a true fan of Quidditch to begin with.

So Hermione giving Harry advice after his bad date helps him how?
It lets him sunderstand what Cho was so upset about. It lets him know what went wrong. It gives him the chance to explain to Cho what he actually meant. Why would Hermione look disappointed when he said the date went badly if she liked him?
When Luna stands up for Harry and says she believes Harry, now Hermione should be happy but again she gets annoyed.
Due to a personality conflict between Luna and Hermione that JKR has explicitly referred to. Luna is the opposite of Hermione - illogical, intuitive, believing in things without evidence. Hermione doesn't dislike Luna because she supports Harry - she gets annoyed with Luna supporting Harry because she already dislikes Luna, and thinks that Harry having a "nutter" supporting him won't do much for his credibility.

She reaches Harry when nobody else can. Grimald place at xmas and Harry goes to check on Sirus after a big heated fight with Hermione. Again its showing the reader what a strong bond they have.
Harry didn't have a reason to avoid Hermione like he did the others. She hadn't been avoiding him all day; she hadn't been there at St. mungo's when he found out he might ahve been possessed. He had no reason to refuse to come out. Also, there isn't even any evidence to state that Hermione knew why Harry was hiding up there.
I don't see why Harry and Hermione's fight is a sign of a strong bond between them. Harry was in a hurry, didn't want to waste time by getting stuck in an arguemnt, and didn't want to leave behind one of his best friends. Harry shouting at her at the top of his voice and frightening her to tears doesn't say "strong bond" to me.

She helps him out, she came up with DA and got Rita to do the story on Harry.
Again, not everything Hermione does is meant for Harry's benefit. She did the story after the Death Eaters escaped, when the danger of the war had been stepped up another notch. The DA and the Quibbler article were actions taken as part of the war, meant to help not Harry, but the wizarding world. If she just wanted to get Harry's name cleared, why not do something earlier, instead of waiting over five months?

Hermione did not think up the DA solely for Harry's benefit. Rather the contrary - Harry didn't need the DA then; he was the one student in their year who didn't need extra DADA practice. The rest of the students, not Harry, were the ones who needed the DA. Hermione made it because 1.) they needed more practice for OWLS and 2.) they needed to be able to fight if the War came to Hogwarts at some point. They needed to be able to defend themselves. Not everything does is for Harry's benefit - if it was, there would be something wrong with her.daz or someone mentioned this as a point to Harry x Hermione, I was saying other wise that yeah,s he did come up with it, but for OWL purposes, but how it changed later on. I guess I should have rephrased what I was trying to say. You said it much better than I did. ^^

Just wanted to respond to this point: I think that Hermione is more aggressive with Ron then she is with Harry, because Ron doesn't have any clue when it comes to girls...at least Harry is giving it a shot "Oh Harry you're as bad as ron....no you're not." Why should she be patient with someone who has no clue, and isn't understanding you when you are trying to help. Or are you going to be more patient with those who are actually taking in your advice and trying to apply it?

This to me is a good example of Ron and Hermione's relationship. I think that at times Hermione snaps at Ron, and visa-versa when it is not needed, but the point is that these two have opinions, that the other one just isn't hearing, or actually paying any attention to. There is little middle ground (it seems to me) for these two characters. We have Ron's opinion, Hermione's opinion, and no area of possible compromise.I never thought about it that way. That makes a lot of sense.

Taken collectively, it seemed, to me, that she was trying to lessen Ron's part in the trio, or show Harry and Hermione getting closer. That's just how I see it, though.I saw it as a way to make up for all the time Ron and Harry had together without Hermione in the earlier books to help strengthen their friendship while Ron try to find something that he truly likes or get into something he's truly fond of.

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She believes in Harry more than Ron. We see this with the prefect scene. She was 100% convinced it was going to be Harry.


So was everyone. Not like Ron wanted to be a prefect anyway. How is that shippy?

It's more of the fact that she's happy when it's Harry being prefect. Doesn't seem happy when it's Ron. And, academically, she's one of the only people there who should realize that Ron and Harry have almost identical grades. They've both gotten in equal amounts of trouble. Logically, either could be if the other was. But it didn't even cross Hermione's mind that it could be Ron.

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She falls asleep at his party


She was tired. She walked out of Harry's party once. Who cares?

Once again, this is NOT real life. If this were real life, "she was tired" would be a completely acceptable reason. As is, it could still mean something, but it might mean more. *shrug*



In OoP when they were talking about Podmore, and how he got arrested, Ron threw out a theory, Harry disagreed and Hermione said that he had a good point. There's agreement. They have agreement, whether you want to admit it or not. And they don't fight all the time!

Do you mean about it being a frameup? You need to reread that part, if that's what you mean, because Harry doesn't disagree (I don't think). But it's true, Hermione does agree. Doesn't really seem important, to me, but she does.

Can you give an example of Harry actually listening to Hermione and taking her advice about girls/ In fact after his conversation with her at one point, he thinks her explanation made things even more complicated and he wishes he could speak to Sirius about girls.
I agree with SSJ_Jup that she doesn't go about advising Ron on how to understand girls but gets angry and short with him instead.

I don't have my book, so pardon the lack of page numbers and the like:
hermione talked to Harry after his date with Cho, telling him that she should have told Cho, that she was making Harry meet up with her, or taht he should have told Cho taht Hermione wasn't pretty, and it was a burden for him to meet up with her.

(paraphrasin I know...again no book in front of me)

Episode number two: when Harry came back from his and Cho's first kiss, and he's telling Ron and Hermione about it, Hermione tells HArry that all he had to do was comfort her. "you did comfort her didn't you?"

Again, advice that comes after the fact. Harry can only really take these statements and put them away in his brain for storage in case a similar situation comes up. Hermione never once, came up to Harry and offered him advice before he went anywhere with Cho.

And again to reiterate: I think that Hermione is more aggressive with Ron then she is with Harry, because Ron doesn't have any clue when it comes to girls...at least Harry is giving it a shot "Oh Harry you're as bad as ron....no you're not." Why should she be patient with someone who has no clue, and isn't understanding you when you are trying to help. Or are you going to be more patient with those who are actually taking in your advice and trying to apply it?

It's more of the fact that she's happy when it's Harry being prefect. Doesn't seem happy when it's Ron. And, academically, she's one of the only people there who should realize that Ron and Harry have almost identical grades. They've both gotten in equal amounts of trouble. Logically, either could be if the other was. But it didn't even cross Hermione's mind that it could be Ron.
To be honest, I don't think the prefect letter scene can be used in favour of either Harry/Hermione or Ron/Hermione. I think everyone expected the Gryffindor prefects to be Harry and Hermione, Harry, Ron and Hermione included: Ron gaped at the letter, Fred and George think there has been a mistake as does Hermione, even his own mother is surprised. Choosing prefects is not about exam results, it's about having the respect of your peers and about being a role model.
I also think it's wrong to say that Hermione isn't happy when it's Ron. She's embarassed because she, like everyone else, thought it was Harry and she has the grace to blush when she realises her mistake.

To be honest, I don't think the prefect letter scene can be used in favour of either Harry/Hermione or Ron/Hermione. I think everyone expected the Gryffindor prefects to be Harry and Hermione, Harry, Ron and Hermione included: Ron gaped at the letter, Fred and George think there has been a mistake as does Hermione, even his own mother is surprised. Choosing prefects is not about exam results, it's about having the respect of your peers and about being a role model.
I also think it's wrong to say that Hermione isn't happy when it's Ron. She's embarassed because she, like everyone else, thought it was Harry and she has the grace to blush when she realises her mistake.I agree with you whole-heartedly on this point. It really doesn't seem to point to one pairing or the other. She "assumed" wrong, just like everyone else did. I'm pretty sure most of the readers were too. :lol: Hermione just strikes me as the type that hates to be wrong about things to that extent.

It's funny, when I first read that, I didn't think of shippiness at all. It's interesting how others interpreted it that way.

To be honest, I don't think the prefect letter scene can be used in favour of either Harry/Hermione or Ron/Hermione. I think everyone expected the Gryffindor prefects to be Harry and Hermione, Harry, Ron and Hermione included: Ron gaped at the letter, Fred and George think there has been a mistake as does Hermione, even his own mother is surprised. Choosing prefects is not about exam results, it's about having the respect of your peers and about being a role model.
I also think it's wrong to say that Hermione isn't happy when it's Ron. She's embarassed because she, like everyone else, thought it was Harry and she has the grace to blush when she realises her mistake.

Eh, I don't really think so either. It's just worth mentioning on the off chance that it is.
Mrs. Weasley was surprised? I didn't see that. I saw delighted... and mean (everyone in the family...pfft...>_>) Her reaction was almost identical to Hermione's, but for Ron, not Harry.

Please, explain to me how Hermione would've known that Harry's date would go bad before hand? Canon, text, something. I hope I'm not coming across as rude, but this is one perception of Hermione's character I truly truly dislike.

The advice will be good for Harry in the long run for any other relationship he may get in.

Because Hermione mucked up the date. She could of done the interview without Harry. She had most of the facts. She also knew Harry had a date and being a girl she would understand that Cho would feel let down by Harry. Then Hermiobe gives advice after the date and it makes no sense. Before said date would of helped alot more.

I don't have my book, so pardon the lack of page numbers and the like:
hermione talked to Harry after his date with Cho, telling him that she should have told Cho, that she was making Harry meet up with her, or taht he should have told Cho taht Hermione wasn't pretty, and it was a burden for him to meet up with her.

(paraphrasin I know...again no book in front of me)

Episode number two: when Harry came back from his and Cho's first kiss, and he's telling Ron and Hermione about it, Hermione tells HArry that all he had to do was comfort her. "you did comfort her didn't you?"

Again, advice that comes after the fact. Harry can only really take these statements and put them away in his brain for storage in case a similar situation comes up. Hermione never once, came up to Harry and offered him advice before he went anywhere with Cho.

And again to reiterate: I think that Hermione is more aggressive with Ron then she is with Harry, because Ron doesn't have any clue when it comes to girls...at least Harry is giving it a shot "Oh Harry you're as bad as ron....no you're not." Why should she be patient with someone who has no clue, and isn't understanding you when you are trying to help. Or are you going to be more patient with those who are actually taking in your advice and trying to apply it?
I'm sorry I didn't make my self clear. I know that Hermione has given Harry advise on girls. What I was asking was for examples that Harry actually listened and put Hermione's advise to use. To me Harry is as clueless about girls after as he was before Hermione's advice.

Because Hermione mucked up the date.How so?
She could of done the interview without Harry. She had most of the facts.That's bad journalism (and I know about journalism, as I've taken four years of it). A real journalist wouldn't write a story about a certain person, without at least one quote from the main source, and in this case, it was Harry that was the main source. The article was about him.

Hermione was killing two birds with one stone.
She also knew Harry had a date and being a girl she would understand that Cho would feel let down by Harry.She wasn't expecting Harry so early when he did show up. And remember, she asked Harry to invite Cho along. Also, this interview was important as...it was a Hogsmeade visit. They can't do interviews in the school because of Umbridge, and who knows what "decree" she would've passed next. Maybe even one that cancels the remaining Hogsmeade trips.

Just like the missed game thing with Ron, after Ron knew the facts, he wasn't as down. Cho was similar after she found out the reason for Harry's having to meet up with Hermione.

What broke Cho and Harry up, was the argument they had over Marietta and this had nothing to do with Hermione or her advice.
Then Hermiobe gives advice after the date and it makes no sense. Before said date would of helped alot more.How would she have known! Please tell me this. Show me this. Hermione is not a psychic. What kind of advice can she give Harry if he'd never been on a date in general before?

Eh, I don't really think so either. It's just worth mentioning on the off chance that it is.
Mrs. Weasley was surprised? I didn't see that. I saw delighted... and mean (everyone in the family...pfft...>_>) Her reaction was almost identical to Hermione's, but for Ron, not Harry.
When Fred tells Mrs Weasley about the prefect's badge, she replies: 'His... but... Ron, you're not...' and when Ron shows her the badge 'I don't believe it! I don't believe it!'. I didn't say it wasn't a happy shock!

Cho was right in alot of ways. Harry had a date and she should of come first. If Hermione had not choosen that day the date would of went well. And as a girl this would not be rocket science. Any girl on here would of been upset if you go on a date and the boy says sorry i have to break this off for an hour while i go place nice with my best friend who happens to be a girl. Hermione should of understood this and its odd that it all leads back to Hermione. Who IMO fancys Harry

Because Hermione mucked up the date. She could of done the interview without Harry. She had most of the facts. She also knew Harry had a date and being a girl she would understand that Cho would feel let down by Harry. Then Hermiobe gives advice after the date and it makes no sense. Before said date would of helped alot more.
I have to say that Hermione is no expert on relationships either. She has never been on a date either as far as we know except for the Yule ball, which was entirely different from Harry's Valentine Day date with Cho. She would have to be a divination expert to anticipate every posible way Harry could mess up a date and advise him beforehand how to deal with it.

I disagree that Hermione could have done the interview herself. The biggest scoop was to hear from Harry his account of the events in the graveyard. That would make the most impact. Who'd read and believe a Quibbler article about Voldemort from an unknown student.

When Fred tells Mrs Weasley about the prefect's badge, she replies: 'His... but... Ron, you're not...' and when Ron shows her the badge 'I don't believe it! I don't believe it!'. I didn't say it wasn't a happy shock!
What I find telling is that the text says that Molly lets out a shriek like Hermione's. So Jo is linking Hermione's excitement about Harry being Prefect to Molly's for Ron ergo a "mother's love" if you will existing between Hermione and Harry and it's not the only time Jo links hermione and molly in the text ;)
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here's the text on that

The door banged open. Hermione came tearing into the room, her cheeks flushed and her hair flying. There was an envelope in her hand.
'Did you - did you get -?'
She spotted the badge in Harry's hand and let out a shriek.
<snip>
'His... but... Ron, you're not...?'
Ron held up his badge.
Mrs Weasley let out a shriek just like Hermione's.

If Hermione is in love with Ron she would not have left Harry could of done it on his own.
You realize that Hagrid asked Harry and Hermione.
And Harry said that Hagrid looked so woebegone it was hard to refuse.
Also, sometimes people have to make sacrifices, it was either watch Ron (who was expected to lose) or risk feeling guilty for not being there for Hagrid. Also Hagrid has been there for Hermione multiple times, when she is fighting with Harry and Ron, according to hagrid, she visits him and is very upset.
Again, advice that comes after the fact. Harry can only really take these statements and put them away in his brain for storage in case a similar situation comes up. Hermione never once, came up to Harry and offered him advice before he went anywhere with Cho.
yes, because all of what she said that he did wrong, Harry could have listened and applyed it to future dates. However, since wierd things happened during their dates, it would have been hard to apply that. But Hermione has no control over it. In fact- Harry and Cho went on ONE date, and hermione didn't know it was going to crew up (how could she- she did quit divination) the other times, Harry happened to be on his way to Occulmency or something- Hermione didn't even know that harry would meet up with Cho. So what is she supposed to say? "Ok Harry, on the off chance you meet Cho at 6:03 pm say hi, but make sure you smile widely but not too widely so that she doesn't think your faking happiness, but you want her to think she made you happy. Here are the things you are forbidden to talk about: _________, __________, and ___________. But you can work them into the conversation. However if you meet her at 6:05 look sad because she will need to comfort herself.....etc

Hermione can't tell the future! Harry had ONE date with Cho, thats One date, ONE time she could have given him advice as to what to say. Yet everything was happy between Harry and Cho then, he had gotten kissed, no fights, they were going good. So why would they need advice? They wouldn't.
The other times, harry met cho in the halls when hermione wasn't even there, and even the times Hermione was there, she can't give him advice with Cho there- Cho could jump to conclusions and it could be bad. Or cho could think Harry as a wuss who very badly needed advice which could have also been bad.
So, we have a total of 1 time that Hermione could have given him advice for Cho. Well, Ron, hermione, Ginny, Sirius, Lupin-- every single character- did not give him advice before his date- are they all in love with Harry?
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She believes in Harry more than Ron. We see this with the prefect scene. She was 100% convinced it was going to be Harry.
So was Molly Weasley, Fred and george weasley, and every reader I know personally. Do you really think Molly loves harry more then Ron? I don't
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But look at what Harry has done. He defeated the dark lord at the age of 1, stopped quirrel forom getting the stone/stopped voldemort returning to power, rescued ginny, killed a basilisk, again thwarted Voldemorts return to power, learned the patronus charm (highly difficult according to Lupin), time traveled to rescue an innocent hippogryff and godfater, fended off a hundred dementors,fought a dragon, fended off gryndylows, rescued Ron and Gabrielle from the merpeople, got past a sphynx and other tasks in the maze, endured watching Cedric die, Saw Voldemort returned to power involuntarily helped that return considering he had the blood, actually dueled with the dark lord, was tortured by the dark lord, nearly was killed from the dark lord escaped from the dark lord, stopped a few death eaters on his way to escape, brought Cedrics body back despite the fact that it was a detour and could cost his life, was then brought to fake moody's office and was again almost killed, then had to recount all of this for Dumbledore, then heard that Fudgfe didnt believe him and was going ballistic, was attacked by dementors and repelled them and in the process saved and carried his heavy cousin, was expelled, had his expulsion recalled, was told he could consider himself suspended and had to go to court- and all the while was told NOTHING of voldemort or anything despite the fact that he deserved it, (and thats all just before the prefect badge was given out)
and while Ron has had his shining moments (Chess game, etc) Harry's moments outshine Ron's. (Not to mention, like Draco and Ron have said, Harry is dumbledore's favorite which that on top of all of his achievements, makes harry more likely)

So honestly- who would expect Ron, knowing all of this? And why does expecting Harry mean that everyone who thought Harry cannot possibly be in love with RoN?
When Luna stands up for Harry and says she believes Harry, now Hermione should be happy but again she gets annoyed.
Might she just dislike Luna due to Luna's shown attraction to Ron on the train?
And remember how Hermione one up's Luna's good luck to Ron? She kisses him.
We have Ron's opinion, Hermione's opinion, and no area of possible compromise.
Except lately, they have been dropping it. Or hermione's actually agreed with what Ron said.

"harry thought that it was rather far-fetched, but Hermione on the other hand said "You know, I wouldn't be at all surprised if that were true"

But ya, when their bickering starts, more and more often as the book progressed one of them would just drop it.
Originally Posted by daz
She reaches Harry when nobody else can. Grimald place at xmas and Harry goes to check on Sirus after a big heated fight with Hermione. Again its showing the reader what a strong bond they have.
Except she didn't reach him.
It says in the book harry was unsuccesfully trying to ignore the gnawing hunger. Then it shows that Hermione knocked and said something and he was so surprised to see her that he opened the door. No romance. Or anything. And instead of a 'poor harry' attitude she SHARPLY told him to stop feeling all misunderstood and led him to ginny. (and ron)
Loses interest in Quidditch after Harry stops playing.
For one thing, when Ron started playing she wasn't able to sit by him anymore, which, I'm sure would make her mad. (because if you notice, she wasn't as enthusiastic in the 1st match even when harry was playing)
and I suggest you read this:http://www.freewebs.com/hmsheron/daveydee.htm (its an essay about Ron, Hermione and quidditch)
ETA
HP&TOOTP Chapter 9 The Woes of Mrs. Weasley
The door banged open. Hermione came tearing into the room, her cheeks flushed and her hair flying. There was an envelope in her hand.
'Did you - did you get -?'
She spotted the badge in Harry's hand and let out a shriek.
<snip>
'His... but... Ron, you're not...?'
Ron held up his badge.
Mrs Weasley let out a shriek just like Hermione's.

The best part is, Mrs. Weasleys shriek to Ron, is obviously Mom>>Son.
And if Hermione's shriek to Harry is just like that, it must be "Motherly-sisterly friend>>best platonic friend)
(unless Harmonians want me to say that that is also mother>>son)

ETA 2


Cho was right in alot of ways. Harry had a date and she should of come first. If Hermione had not choosen that day the date would of went well. And as a girl this would not be rocket science. Any girl on here would of been upset if you go on a date and the boy says sorry i have to break this off for an hour while i go place nice with my best friend who happens to be a girl. Hermione should of understood this and its odd that it all leads back to Hermione. Who IMO fancys Harry

Really? because I had a date with my boyfriend today (who only hangs out with girls, I've rarely seen him hang with a guy who wasnt his brother)
left on our date to buy his best firnend (a girl) a birthday present, and we're meeting up in about an hour.

And again, Hogsmeade visits do not come regularly, -- The last one was sometime before Christmas (Halloween ? i don't remember) Eitehr way it was 2 months plus since the last one, so would probably be 2 months plus until the next one (actually was there even another one after Valentines day?)
If Hermione didn't do the article then, harry may bever have gotten it out
and might I remind you that the article made Cho get back together with harry? (she said she was really sorry, the rticle was brave and made her cry) then she kissed him before class)
so really, the article on Valentines day helped H/C in the long run.

Cho was right in alot of ways. Harry had a date and she should of come first. If Hermione had not choosen that day the date would of went well. And as a girl this would not be rocket science. Any girl on here would of been upset if you go on a date and the boy says sorry i have to break this off for an hour while i go place nice with my best friend who happens to be a girl.Please, re-read the story. Harry invited Cho to go along with him. He wasn't going to ditch her. And once again, it wasn't that date that broke the two up, it was their argument over Marietta that broke them up and her betrayal of the DA and Cho's defending her, just like Harry defended Hermione (even though he mentioned Ron first).
Hermione should of understood this and its odd that it all leads back to Hermione. Who IMO fancys Harry*Points to what I said above about the whole Hogsmeade thing* What other time do you propose Hermione to go to Hogsmeade for Harry to get an interview?