Little Questions #3

I don't think the Marauder's nicknames were common knowledge--even Dumbledore didn't know that the boys were transforming into unregistered animagus, and Snape didn't necessarily "catch" the reference to their nicknames in POA after he'd confiscated the map from Harry...This makes me wonder, though. In POA, when Snape confronts Harry with the map - he calls for Lupin right away (why would he do that?) and even says:"You think a joke shop could supply him with such a thing? You don't think it more likely that he got it directly from the manufacturers?" - P. 288 POA, US PaperbackThe italics are JKR's, not mine. This makes me think that Snape is onto something. He suspects Lupin. Maybe he didn't know the names, but maybe the things that are said when the map insults him gives something away?

Does anyone know how the Dursleys got off the island in PS? we know they used the boat to get there but whne Harry and Hagrid left they took the boat as Hagrid wasn't sposed to do magic! How dod the Dursley's get off the island?

Maybe Dumbledore or the boatman came and got them.

This makes me wonder, though. In POA, when Snape confronts Harry with the map - he calls for Lupin right away (why would he do that?) and even says:The italics are JKR's, not mine. This makes me think that Snape is onto something. He suspects Lupin. Maybe he didn't know the names, but maybe the things that are said when the map insults him gives something away?
He recognizes the names "Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs" from when he was in school. We see the Marauders use those names right in front of him in the SWM. So as soon as they come up on the map heading, he knows Remus is involved. What's more, he thinks Remus gave the map to Harry - hence the comment about "directly from the manufactorers"

I need some clarification please....


So in CoS, the present-day Voldemort had nothing at all to do with the events of CoS, right? He just left his sixteen year old self in the diary. But I'm confused, how would the events in CoS helped the present-day Voldemort? Considering he was a ghost and all....

Thanks in advance!

I need some clarification please....

So in CoS, the present-day Voldemort had nothing at all to do with the events of CoS, right? He just left his sixteen year old self in the diary. But I'm confused, how would the events in CoS helped the present-day Voldemort? Considering he was a ghost and all....

Thanks in advance!

Wow, what a tough question! I'm not at all sure that I'm right or even close, but this is what I think. Please feel free to rip it apart.

The 16 year old Tom is a memory, but not really a ghost. And no, the present day LV does not have anything to do with those events in CoS. I sort of thought of the memory Tom as a clone. It doesn't help the present LV, but had Tom succeeded, then at least there would have been one version of him alive & well. However, I doubt Tom would have helped the present version. I think it would have been more likely that he killed the present version off completely & then went on to go after his dreams of power again.

That's probably not a very satisfactory answer, but that's how I justified to myself.

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Originally Posted by sjcuk13
Does anyone know how the Dursleys got off the island in PS? we know they used the boat to get there but whne Harry and Hagrid left they took the boat as Hagrid wasn't sposed to do magic! How dod the Dursley's get off the island?



Maybe Dumbledore or the boatman came and got them.




How did Hagrid get to the Island?

Originally Posted by kingwidgit
I don't think the Marauder's nicknames were common knowledge--even Dumbledore didn't know that the boys were transforming into unregistered animagus, and Snape didn't necessarily "catch" the reference to their nicknames in POA after he'd confiscated the map from Harry...

This makes me wonder, though. In POA, when Snape confronts Harry with the map - he calls for Lupin right away (why would he do that?) and even says:The italics are JKR's, not mine. This makes me think that Snape is onto something. He suspects Lupin. Maybe he didn't know the names, but maybe the things that are said when the map insults him gives something away?

Order of the Phoenix page 645
”This’ll liven you up Padfoot,” said James quietly. “look who it is…

Order of the Phoenix, page 647
”Bad luck Prongs”, Said Sirius briskly, turning back to Snape. “OY”

I suspect they were in the habit of using their Maurader nicknames in the public, probably came as second nature. I think they just kept the reason behind the nick names a secret kind of like a private joke.

So I would assume when Snape read those nick names off the map and knowing them as well as he did he would naturally have rememberd that Lupin was Moody.

Was the phrase "If ifs and buts were Galleons and Knuts..." ever used in the books, or is that just from my head?

Originally Posted by sjcuk13
Does anyone know how the Dursleys got off the island in PS? we know they used the boat to get there but whne Harry and Hagrid left they took the boat as Hagrid wasn't sposed to do magic! How dod the Dursley's get off the island?

The only explanation that I can think of that hagrid came to the island in a separate boat.
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Does anyone know how the Dursleys got off the island in PS? we know they used the boat to get there but when Harry and Hagrid left they took the boat as Hagrid wasn't sposed to do magic! How dod the Dursley's get off the island?

How did Hagrid get to the Island?

The only explanation that I can think of that hagrid came to the island in a separate boat.


Actually Hagrid flew in

Sorcerers Stone 63-64



"How did you get here?" Harry asked, looking around for another boat.

"Flew," said Hagrid.

"Flew?"

"Yeah- but we'll go back in this. Not s’pposed ter use magic now that I've got yeh."

They settled down in the boat. Harry still staring at Hagrid. trying to imagine him flying.

Now of course that doesn't mean that Hagrid didn't have a boat waiting for them but I think it is highly unlikely he thought that far ahead. I assume he took the Durslys’ boat.

As far as them getting back I can only suppose he risked magic one more time and magic the boat back to the island the Durslys were on.

How did Hagrid get to the Island?

He Flew he says this to harry whne harry asked how he got there.

Was the phrase "If ifs and buts were Galleons and Knuts..." ever used in the books, or is that just from my head?
No I think that is in you head but a very good phrase.

He recognizes the names "Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs" from when he was in school. We see the Marauders use those names right in front of him in the SWM. So as soon as they come up on the map heading, he knows Remus is involved. What's more, he thinks Remus gave the map to Harry - hence the comment about "directly from the manufactorers":tu: That's exactly what I was trying to get at, actually. A couple posters were saying that no one knew the Maurauder's nicknames, and I thought it was odd, given the interaction with Snape, Harry and the map.

Was the phrase "If ifs and buts were Galleons and Knuts..." ever used in the books, or is that just from my head? :rotfl: That's a good one! But seriously, I don't think it's from the books. Do you read a lot of fan fic? Otherwise, your amazing brain made it up! :)

Ginny24 made me wonder about this: how did Sirius get Buckbeak into the cave? The entrance is narrow enough that the trio had to squeeze to the get through, so how'd he fit an animal the size of a horse?

Originally Posted by sjcuk13
Does anyone know how the Dursleys got off the island in PS? we know they used the boat to get there but when Harry and Hagrid left they took the boat as Hagrid wasn't sposed to do magic! How dod the Dursley's get off the island?

I assumed when they did not show up, the man who sold them the boat went to check on them, and picked them up.

Ginny24 made me wonder about this: how did Sirius get Buckbeak into the cave? The entrance is narrow enough that the trio had to squeeze to the get through, so how'd he fit an animal the size of a horse?Hmmm... good question. Two possibilities:

a. second entrance somewhere else adequately sized for a large hippogryph

b. magic

That's the nice thing about HP. At a pinch option b works for many of these tricky little questions!

Ginny24 made me wonder about this: how did Sirius get Buckbeak into the cave? The entrance is narrow enough that the trio had to squeeze to the get through, so how'd he fit an animal the size of a horse?

Thats an interesting question...maybe there was another entrance that we dident know about...buckbeat can fly...maybe this second entrance was too dangerous to get to on foot

I assumed when they did not show up, the man who sold them the boat went to check on them, and picked them up.
God, with no food except half-eaten, squashed cake? Poor Dudley, how did he survive? lol!

Maybe DD sent a boat for them, or Hagrid sent the boat he took back to pick them up. Seems kinda mean to just leave them there...

Ginny24 made me wonder about this: how did Sirius get Buckbeak into the cave? The entrance is narrow enough that the trio had to squeeze to the get through, so how'd he fit an animal the size of a horse?
Maybe there's another entrance? I dunno, it seems kinda strange. Unless Buckbeak's a secret animagus? The Fifth Marauder, maybe?

He Flew he says this to harry whne harry asked how he got there.
By broom? Actually, come to think of it, how could he possibly fly to the island without someone seeing him? Unless he had DD's invisibility cloak or something - we know how fussy the MoM is about secrecy..

Actually, how could Hagrid use magic at all? I mean, they knew the second Harry used underage magic - that suggests they know when people use magic - so how does Hagrid get away with using his wand?

By broom? Actually, come to think of it, how could he possibly fly to the island without someone seeing him? Unless he had DD's invisibility cloak or something - we know how fussy the MoM is about secrecy..

Actually, how could Hagrid use magic at all? I mean, they knew the second Harry used underage magic - that suggests they know when people use magic - so how does Hagrid get away with using his wand?There are some who think he 'flew' using Sirius' motorbike - but they have to stretch a bit to explain how Harry didn't see it and where it went (shrinking spell seems to be the answer if I remember correctly).

Hagrid was allowed to use magic to contact Harry - that's why he was so eager to take on the job.

There are some who think he 'flew' using Sirius' motorbike - but they have to stretch a bit to explain how Harry didn't see it and where it went (shrinking spell seems to be the answer if I remember correctly).
Also a hippogriff or a thestral have been suggested. And let's not forget the pink umbrella. :D

There are some who think he 'flew' using Sirius' motorbike - but they have to stretch a bit to explain how Harry didn't see it and where it went (shrinking spell seems to be the answer if I remember correctly).

(Thanks for answering, Machiavelli!) God, that would take some explaining, if any Muggles saw it - the flying car was bad enough! Would Hagrid still have the motorbike after all these years?

That "shrinking spell" idea gave me an idea there - could Buckbeak have been shrunk to get into Sirius' cave? Can you shrink animals like that? An pocket-sized pet? That would be weird.

Hagrid was allowed to use magic to contact Harry - that's why he was so eager to take on the job.

So does anyone know Hagrid still has the wand? I though that'd get him into trouble. DD probably does, he kinda knows everything that goes on, so that wouldn't suprise me. However, what would happen if the MoM found out?

Also a hippogriff or a thestral have been suggested. And let's not forget the pink umbrella. :DI like the pink umbrella suggestion - sort of a large, hairy Mary Poppins kind of things... very nice. Hadn't thought of a thestral - that makes more sense to me than the motorbike really.

Everyone posts so fast here!!!

I like your idea of the umbrella, Alastor - couldn't you just see Hagrid floating gracefully in on a pink brolly the size of his arm? :rotfl: That would seriously scare some Muggles!


You're probably right about the thestrals, they're invisible, after all, and would make sense, because Hagrid did rear them.


What would people have done if they saw him (or Harry & co) floating in mid-air? That would have looked really weird! :rotfl:

What would people have done if they saw him (or Harry & co) floating in mid-air? That would have looked really weird! :rotfl:Hmmm... perhaps it helps that 'it was a dark and stormy night...' Harry and co didn't seem to have any troubles when they flew the thestrals to London... they must not fly high enough to interfere with flight patterns!

In PS/SS, when the Dursley's and Harry are going to the zoo, Harry mentions the dream he had about a flying motorcycle. Did he dream of Sirius' bike ? or had he seen that bike as a baby and kind of remembered it?

In PS/SS, when the Dursley's and Harry are going to the zoo, Harry mentions the dream he had about a flying motorcycle. Did he dream of Sirius' bike ? or had he seen that bike as a baby and kind of remembered it?

I think he was dreaming about the time Hagrid delivered him to the Dursleys on Sirius' bike. Doesn't he say he'd had that dream several times before? He's subconsciously remembering those events.

b. magic

That's the nice thing about HP. At a pinch option b works for many of these tricky little questions!
Couldn't be - Sirius didn't have a wand.

There is also the possibility that someone placed a disalutionment charm...the same one the order put on Harry in the fifth book...maybe Dumbledoore did?

He could have used any of those methods with the charm...so noone would see him

Couldn't be - Sirius didn't have a wand.Hmmmm... do we know that? Seems by then he would have gotten ahold of one. He certainly had one in OotP.

Would Hagrid still have the motorbike after all these years?

I don't think so, where would he keep it. But didn't JK mention in an interview or something that sirius' bike was important and we were going to find out what heppened to it.... I could be imagining it but I thought I read that somewhere

Does the Fat Lady have a proper name? You would think that she would hate being called "Fat Lady" :)

I don't think there ever was a name mantioned. Just the one of her friend Violet ;)

Speaking of the Fat Lady ... was there ever a "real" Fat Lady, or is she just someone a painter made up. And if this woman existed, who was she then? What do you think?

she was probably a school governor or a teacher if she was real, I'm not sure if I think she was real because if she was she would have a name and it would have been used before now

I don't think there ever was a name mantioned. Just the one of her friend Violet ;)

Speaking of the Fat Lady ... was there ever a "real" Fat Lady, or is she just someone a painter made up. And if this woman existed, who was she then? What do you think?

I don't think the Fat Lady was ever a real person. I think she was originally just a figment of a wizard painter's imagination and once they painted her she "lived" and became the Fat Lady.

I don't think there ever was a name mantioned. Just the one of her friend Violet ;)

Speaking of the Fat Lady ... was there ever a "real" Fat Lady, or is she just someone a painter made up. And if this woman existed, who was she then? What do you think?


I've just had a look at the Mugglenet HP Encyclopedia. Without result - she seems to be a "Fat Lady" without name. That's interesting, I've never thought about it before. I think, that she was a real person, because she acts like the portraits in Dumbledore's study. Maybe her real name and her story is important for the plot?

I've just had a look at the Mugglenet HP Encyclopedia. Without result - she seems to be a "Fat Lady" without name. That's interesting, I've never thought about it before. I think, that she was a real person, because she acts like the portraits in Dumbledore's study. Maybe her real name and her story is important for the plot?

surely paintings that arent real people can act like real people too. I mean, sir cadogan can't have been a real knight..... at least I hope not.

Hmmmm... do we know that? Seems by then he would have gotten ahold of one. He certainly had one in OotP.
There's no mention of him having a wand while on the run, although you're right he did have one by the end of OotP.

There is also the possibility that someone placed a disalutionment charm...the same one the order put on Harry in the fifth book...maybe Dumbledoore did?

According to FB those wear off after a period of time. And I don't think DD was helping him. Sirius was living off rats and scraps until Harry started sending him food. If DD had been helping, he would have at least seen to it that Sirius wasn't starving.

I've just had a look at the Mugglenet HP Encyclopedia. Without result - she seems to be a "Fat Lady" without name. That's interesting, I've never thought about it before. I think, that she was a real person, because she acts like the portraits in Dumbledore's study. Maybe her real name and her story is important for the plot?


I am at work :evil: so I don't have my book, but I could have sworn in CoS that DD mentions her name after Sirius slashes her... he says something like "go and find where she is.."
I NEED MY BOOK!!!

I am at work :evil: so I don't have my book, but I could have sworn in CoS that DD mentions her name after Sirius slashes her... he says something like "go and find where she is.."
I NEED MY BOOK!!!


I've my book at hand and Dumbledore doesn't mention her name. He asks Professor McGonnagal to go to Filch and tell him to search every painting in the castle for the "Fat Lady".

I am at work :evil: so I don't have my book, but I could have sworn in CoS that DD mentions her name after Sirius slashes her... he says something like "go and find where she is.."
I NEED MY BOOK!!!


no DD says
"we need to find her," said Dumbledore. "Professor McGonagall, please go to Mr. Flich at once and tell him to search every painting in the castle for the Fat Lady."

this makes me think that she does not have a name

EDIT: Doesn't*

this makes me think that she does not have a name

Yes, if she had a name, Dumbledore would never talk about her as "the Fat Lady" - he is such a polite man. Now I'm really uncertain about the question, if she was a real person :grumble:

Hmmmm... do we know that? Seems by then he would have gotten ahold of one. He certainly had one in OotP.


I think I asked this question a couple days back, where Sirius had gotten his wand from. I am almost certain the Ministry would have confiscated it before sending him to Azkaban. There are a few possibilities.

1. Sirius borrowed a wand from another member of the Order, perhaps Dumbledore had a couple of extra ones just lying around.

2. Sirius was able to get one from Ollivander, perhaps he and Dumbledore are friends and Ollivander gave one to Dumbledore, no questions asked.

3. He had an old wand at his parents’ house that he found while cleaning out Grimmould Place.

4. The Ministry didn’t destroy Sirius' wand when they sent him to Azkaban, and one of the Order members that works for the Ministry was able to find his original wand and give it back to him. (This last one is far fetched because I can only assume they would have destroyed his wand.)

Yes, if she had a name, Dumbledore would never talk about her as "the Fat Lady" - he is such a polite man. Now I'm really uncertain about the question, if she was a real person :grumble:


Perhaps she isn't ashamed of her size :eyebrows:

I don't think so, where would he keep it. But didn't JK mention in an interview or something that sirius' bike was important and we were going to find out what heppened to it.... I could be imagining it but I thought I read that somewhere
Maybe the motorbike lives in the Forbidden Forest...like the Ford Anglia does (though the bike would have been there longer).
Rita: Whatever happend to Sirius' flying motorbike?
JK Rowling replies -> Ah, good question. You'll find out, but the real sleuths among you might be able to guess.

whoops my mistake, sorry Lotaria, I meant to say that this makes me think that she doesn't have a name. I'm sorry I'll edit that now

I've my book at hand and Dumbledore doesn't mention her name. He asks Professor McGonnagal to go to Filch and tell him to search every painting in the castle for the "Fat Lady".


:sigh:Ahhhh... I feel much better now. I am in your debt forever

Another quick question:

[Hagrid] One of the only safe places left was Hogwarts. Reckon Dumbledore's the only one You-Know-Who was afraid of. Didn't dare try takin' the school, not jus' then, anyway.

Not just then? What does Hagrid mean? Was there a time when Voldemort did try to take over Hogwarts? I don't recall it ever being mentioned again, but perhaps someone could refresh my memory?

Not just then? What does Hagrid mean? Was there a time when Voldemort did try to take over Hogwarts? I don't recall it ever being mentioned again, but perhaps someone could refresh my memory?
It may happen in the next two books. Then we will know if the sentence is foreshadowing or not...

It may happen in the next two books. Then we will know if the sentence is foreshadowing or not...

The way in which Hagrid mentioned it made me think that there had been a time in the past where Voldemort had tried to take over the school. But perhaps I'm reading it wrong?

I definitely think there's a chamce that Voldemort will attempt to gain control over Hogwarts in the next 2 books though.

Not just then? What does Hagrid mean? Was there a time when Voldemort did try to take over Hogwarts? I don't recall it ever being mentioned again, but perhaps someone could refresh my memory?

No, it was never mentioned again. Maybe his plan was to take over Hogwarts but was stopped by little Harry.

surely paintings that arent real people can act like real people too. I mean, sir cadogan can't have been a real knight..... at least I hope not.

I can see it now: Sir Cadogan meets the 3 Stooges!!! :rotfl:

Edit: I was just over in divination studies and had a thought:

What is the difference (if any) of an incantation and a spell??? :huh:

nothing really, some spells require an incantation or wording to produce the spell like "lumos" others require an incatation and a wand motion, like "wingardium leviosa" w/ "swish and flick". they are just different types of spells

What is the difference (if any) of an incantation and a spell???

nothing really, some spells require an incantation or wording to produce the spell like "lumos" others require an incatation and a wand motion, like "wingardium leviosa" w/ "swish and flick". they are just different types of spells

I always though that they were the same things. Just diffrent names for them.

no an incatation is a spell in which words are said to cause it. Spell is more general than incatation because you can do spells without incantations, like when the DE in the DoM lost his voice and still cursed hermione.

I was re-reading book 1 and came across the part where Harry is 'choosing' his wand. When the store owner questions Hagrid about his old wand Hagrid admits that he has the pieces. Then, the store owner asked him if he uses them and Hagrid gripped his pink umbrella tighter. Think maybe his wand is part of the umbrella?

I apologize if this was already brought up or if I am simply forgetting something they say about his wand in a later book.

Thanks Xayla....but can some more people offer their opinions of my question posed...it's on pg. 50. Thanks!

I was re-reading book 1 and came across the part where Harry is 'choosing' his wand. When the store owner questions Hagrid about his old wand Hagrid admits that he has the pieces. Then, the store owner asked him if he uses them and Hagrid gripped his pink umbrella tighter. Think maybe his wand is part of the umbrella?

I apologize if this was already brought up or if I am simply forgetting something they say about his wand in a later book.

Harry Says in book 1 that he is pretty sure that some of the wand bit were still in the umbrella

*Don Sirius, what was your question?*

I need some clarification please....


So in CoS, the present-day Voldemort had nothing at all to do with the events of CoS, right? He just left his sixteen year old self in the diary. But I'm confused, how would the events in CoS helped the present-day Voldemort? Considering he was a ghost and all....

Thanks in advance!


Nevermind, found it!

I think that when LV put his memory in there he knew the prophecy so incase something happened than maybe his memory can do in harry and that will make it way easier for him to come back to power

Don Sirius, this is what JKR said here on JKRowling.com (http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=17):

In 'Chamber of Secrets', what would have happened if Ginny had died and Tom Riddle had escaped the diary?

I can’t answer that fully until all seven books are finished, but it would have strengthened the present-day Voldemort considerably.

So we don't really know yet, but presumably she will tell us more-and it must be important, too, or she would have told us already.

I would assume that the memory of Tom Riddle would have gone to search for the weakened present day LV that's probably how it would have caused him strength, Either this or he would have fought DD which probably would have reached LV's ears and given him a second wind

That sounds good. We'll find out!

By the way, MauraderNo 5, how can you be a Second Year after four days?!

By the way, MauraderNo 5, how can you be a Second Year after four days?!

Some people post alot. It's that simple.

I don't really feel like searching 53 pages of random questions so I really have no clue if someone has put this one but, do you think the pensieve show what truly happened in a person's memory or do you think the pensieve only shows what that person remembers of the incident and maybe has exaggerated on (remember Snape being teased by Sirius and James? Did it really happen or did Snape exaggerate?)

Would Hagrid still have the motorbike after all these years?
In book 1, Hagrid says when he is leaving Privet drive that He has to take the bike to Sirius. I suppose the bike is at Grimmauld place or wherever Sirius was at the time.
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do you think the pensieve show what truly happened in a person's memory or do you think the pensieve only shows what that person remembers of the incident and maybe has exaggerated on (remember Snape being teased by Sirius and James? Did it really happen or did Snape exaggerate?)I don't know if a consensus has been reached, but you might like to see the discussion in The Pensieve - Fact vs. Memory (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=17266).
In book 1, Hagrid says when he is leaving Privet drive that He has to take the bike to Sirius. I suppose the bike is at Grimmauld place or wherever Sirius was at the time.But Sirius was off chasing Peter by then, not waiting around Godric's Hollow. Then, in PoA, Hagrid changes his story and says Sirius had told him he wouldn't be needing the bike back...So there are two differing versions of the event--both by Hagrid...

But Sirius was off chasing Peter by then, not waiting around Godric's Hollow. Then, in PoA, Hagrid changes his story and says Sirius had told him he wouldn't be needing the bike back...So there are two differing versions of the event--both by Hagrid...
I had forgotten all about Hagrid's recollection about the motorbike in POA. :blush:
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Thanks for the input everyone...especially when adding JKR's quote...Man!! This is so confusing to me...LoL...

I have a question about this though Maurader...


I think that when LV put his memory in there he knew the prophecy so incase something happened than maybe his memory can do in harry and that will make it way easier for him to come back to power

Wasn't Vol/Tom too young to know the prophecy when he put his memory in the diary....he was only 16 at the time right?

BatBogetGrrl Thanks for posting the JKR quote. I had forgotten that one. I sure was 180 degrees off on that part of my speculation anyway. Oops! :blush:

Wasn't Vol/Tom too young to know the prophecy when he put his memory in the diary....he was only 16 at the time right?
Correct. There is no way he could have known the Prophecy, it was made about 36 years after the diary...

Do we know if hagrid is aware that the same Tom Riddle who accused him of opening the COS and who reported him (thereby getting hagrid expelled) is the same person as Voldemort?

Maybe, even as a young student, he thought Tom RIddle was gathering friends and followers with an idea of 'taking over' Hogwarts.

Not the greatest theory, I admit, but I am curious to know if Hagrid was ever told about the Riddle/Voldemort double act.

BatBogetGrrl Thanks for posting the JKR quote. I had forgotten that one. I sure was 180 degrees off on that part of my speculation anyway. Oops! :)

Glad I could help! :D

Some people post alot. It's that simple.
I suppose...maybe I just need to get out of the Quidditch pitch more often. :D

I suppose...maybe I just need to get out of the Quidditch pitch more often. :D

Except for the fact that the post count is turned off there. If it weren't, I'd be a sixth year. :lol:

But we're horrendously off topic.

Except for the fact that the post count is turned off there. If it weren't, I'd be a sixth year. :lol:

But we're horrendously off topic.

That's why I said OUT of the Quidditch pitch...meaning I should go to places where post count is on. :D

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Originally Posted by Alandra
Would Hagrid still have the motorbike after all these years?

I don't think so, where would he keep it. But didn't JK mention in an interview or something that sirius' bike was important and we were going to find out what heppened to it.... I could be imagining it but I thought I read that somewhere

There's a whole thread right here (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=1256&highlight=motorbike+hagrid+sirius) on what happened with Hagrid and Sirius and the motorbike.

I think you're right about the interview, I looked but I haven't found it, I'll tell you when/if I do.

Here's a "little question" that I had, it seems too small to start a new thread on. In Movie Five, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, how will the thestrals be shown? Will we see the creatures in Harry's point of view, or will they remain invisible to us? After all, most of the kids at Hogwarts can't see the thestrals. It might be interesting to see Hagrid teaching his class about threstrals without actually being able to see the winged horses. Which point of view would you find more enertaining?

Here's a "little question" that I had, it seems too small to start a new thread on. In Movie Five, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, how will the thestrals be shown? Will we see the creatures in Harry's point of view, or will they remain invisible to us? After all, most of the kids at Hogwarts can't see the thestrals. It might be interesting to see Hagrid teaching his class about threstrals without actually being able to see the winged horses. Which point of view would you find more enertaining?

They'll probably do a mix of both. We'll see them from Harry's view first, then flip to Ron/Hermione's view.

Well considering the movies are about Harry, I think we'll probably see the thestrals. I picture them as being a bit trasparent in the movies. That way we get the notion that Harry can see them but the others can't.

Now I don't know this for sure. I don't think any information about the fifth movie has been released yet considering the fourth just rapped up filming not to long ago.

Here's a "little question" that I had, it seems too small to start a new thread on. In Movie Five, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, how will the thestrals be shown? Will we see the creatures in Harry's point of view, or will they remain invisible to us? After all, most of the kids at Hogwarts can't see the thestrals. It might be interesting to see Hagrid teaching his class about threstrals without actually being able to see the winged horses. Which point of view would you find more enertaining?
I would find it interesting if Harry saw the thestrals reflected in Luna's eyes, but the others can't see anything at all. Of course, we don't know anything at this point.

There's a whole thread right here (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=1256&highlight=motorbike+hagrid+sirius) on what happened with Hagrid and Sirius and the motorbike.

I think you're right about the interview, I looked but I haven't found it, I'll tell you when/if I do.
It's quoted in post #1034 in this thread. The World Book chat 2004 can be found at Quick-Quotes-Quill.

Btw. We are drifting off topic again. Questions concerning the movies belong in Muggle Studies. :)

Correct. There is no way he could have known the Prophecy, it was made about 36 years after the diary...

Just because the diary was a memory if when Tom was sixteen doesnt meen that it was made when he was sixteen, I mean, if that were the case how could harry have visited snapes memory of when he was in hogwarts, i think it possible that LV could have made the memory of when he was sixteen in hopes that someone will find the diary and re-open the chamber in hogwarts, I don't think that he was sixteen when he made the diary. I also don't think it was mention in the book when the diary was made, I could be way wrong, if I am, could someone offer a quote and or page number?

Just because the diary was a memory if when Tom was sixteen doesnt meen that it was made when he was sixteen, I mean, if that were the case how could harry have visited snapes memory of when he was in hogwarts, i think it possible that LV could have made the memory of when he was sixteen in hopes that someone will find the diary and re-open the chamber in hogwarts, I don't think that he was sixteen when he made the diary. I also don't think it was mention in the book when the diary was made, I could be way wrong, if I am, could someone offer a quote and or page number?


Hmmm....this is even MORE confusing now...arghhh!!!!

I looked in the book and all it says is that he "preserved his sixteen year old self in [the] pages." It doesn't necessarily say when he did it. But I would think that it was implied that he did it when he was sixteen. But I guess it could be the other way around...man...!!

OHH! I JUST REMEMBERED!! I beleive that TR is talking about the diary and he says that the reason he made it was so that all of his work on finding the chamber would not have been in vain. Also the Diary version of TR would want to go after harry because Didn't Ginny tell TR all about the Harry Potter LV history? That's why he would want to kill harry, then instinctivley he would want to help himself out so I suppose the way he would have helped LV get stronger was to find him and then help him return to power!

Hmmm....this is even MORE confusing now...arghhh!!!!

I looked in the book and all it says is that he "preserved his sixteen year old self in [the] pages." It doesn't necessarily say when he did it. But I would think that it was implied that he did it when he was sixteen. But I guess it could be the other way around...man...!! What was the point of preserving his sixteen year old self, why not his twenty year old self or whenever?
I agree there comes a point when he becomes grotesque, so maybe not then.
The implication (for me) is that he was sixteen when he performed the charm. He had had a chance to get into the Chamber once and the opportunity was not available so he preserved himself in the diary.
I have to wonder if it is possible to preserve a different age to the one that is casting the spell.

does anyone remember ever reading Cho Chang has blond hair in the earlier books?

If Tom Riddle's extremely complicated yet supremely intelligent plan had worked, the Voldemort we all know and love would be REALLY strong.

What was the point of preserving his sixteen year old self, why not his twenty year old self or whenever?
I agree there comes a point when he becomes grotesque, so maybe not then.
The implication (for me) is that he was sixteen when he performed the charm. He had had a chance to get into the Chamber once and the opportunity was not available so he preserved himself in the diary.
I have to wonder if it is possible to preserve a different age to the one that is casting the spell.

Well I don't see why not, I mean if you can veiw memories from another time period why couldn't you preserve it

does anyone remember ever reading Cho Chang has blond hair?

Cho Chang having blond hair?

Wow, I just assumed that she had black hair, judging from the illustrations and the description in the text.

The implication (for me) is that he was sixteen when he performed the charm. He had had a chance to get into the Chamber once and the opportunity was not available so he preserved himself in the diary.
I agree. After he failed at his "noble work" he preserved himself in the diary so someone else would be able to finish it later. It was probably a spur of the moment thing, fueled by his regret and anger at being unable to rid the school of mixed-bloods.

does anyone remember ever reading Cho Chang has blond hair in the earlier books?

No I never remember that. Cho Chang has always had black hair since the first time we saw her on the quidditch pitch

All this diary talk made me think of a question.

Did Lucius Malfoy know all this was going to happen when he "gave" Ginny the diary or was it just pure dumb luck on his part? And if he did know, how did he know for sure there was a chamber? Everyone else at Hogwarts knew it to be just a myth.

Maybe this is too loaded a question for this thread. But maybe the answer is there and I just missed it.

I'm not sure Lucius Malfoy would know what was in the diary I think that he just wanted to get one of LV's possessions to hogwarts. I think that if Lucius did use the diary it would have said to him, if you are my servant get me to hogwarts, I think that he used the meeting the Flourish and blotts to do this w/o knowing that it would lead to the opening of the chamber. I think that if he knew he would have told draco who would have known and told harry and ron (pretending to be crabbe and goyle).

another point I would like to make would be, did DD know that LV opened it last time? I'm sure he didn't think that Hagrid was opening it, but would he have put 2 and 2 togethor and realize that TR was the one who found hagrid and that he turned out to be LV?

another point I would like to make would be, did DD know that LV opened it last time? I'm sure he didn't think that Hagrid was opening it, but would he have put 2 and 2 togethor and realize that TR was the one who found hagrid and that he turned out to be LV?
We know he was suspicious of Tom while the boy was in school, but I don't think he thought Tom was the one opening the chamber. At least not right away. But he certainly figured it out in the end.

Yeah but do you think that in CoS he remembered back and remebered that Tom was at school when it happened? I mean if so, he probably could have figured out it was LV opening it and would have made that announcement to the school just like he talked about LV at the end of GoF right?

All this diary talk made me think of a question.

Did Lucius Malfoy know all this was going to happen when he "gave" Ginny the diary or was it just pure dumb luck on his part? And if he did know, how did he know for sure there was a chamber? Everyone else at Hogwarts knew it to be just a myth.

Maybe this is too loaded a question for this thread. But maybe the answer is there and I just missed it.I think he did know. He's friends with VM, and it was VM who opened the Chamber last time. I can see VM bragging to his DE's how he fooled everyone at the time - and managed to kill a 'mudblood' too. You have to think - how did Lucius get the diary in the first place? VM must have given it to him . . .

All this diary talk made me think of a question.

Did Lucius Malfoy know all this was going to happen when he "gave" Ginny the diary or was it just pure dumb luck on his part? And if he did know, how did he know for sure there was a chamber? Everyone else at Hogwarts knew it to be just a myth.

Maybe this is too loaded a question for this thread. But maybe the answer is there and I just missed it.

Why did he pick Ginny, anyway? Wouldn't Harry or Professor Lockhart have been better hosts?

I'm not sure Lucius Malfoy would know what was in the diary I think that he just wanted to get one of LV's possessions to hogwarts. I think that if Lucius did use the diary it would have said to him, if you are my servant get me to hogwarts, I think that he used the meeting the Flourish and blotts to do this w/o knowing that it would lead to the opening of the chamber. I think that if he knew he would have told draco who would have known and told harry and ron (pretending to be crabbe and goyle).


I don't think Lucius would have told Draco. There are many things that Draco doesn't know about but Lucius does. There are just some things that children don't need to know. I don't even think that Draco knew his father was a Death Eater. I say that because telling Draco would be a big risk to the family.

Why did he pick Ginny, anyway? Wouldn't Harry or Professor Lockhart have been better hosts?
Kills two birds with one stone. Destroy the Weasleys, whom he hates, and purge the school in a neat package.

I think he did know. He's friends with VM, and it was VM who opened the Chamber last time. I can see VM bragging to his DE's how he fooled everyone at the time - and managed to kill a 'mudblood' too. You have to think - how did Lucius get the diary in the first place? VM must have given it to him . . .

If you remember back, in book 2, harry ends up in knockturn alley and sees mr malfoy and draco, at the end of this scene Mr malfoy says he has business elsewhere, I think that this business may have been getting the diary, someone probably contacted him knowing he was a supporter and gave it or sold it to him.

to answer your question Errol, I supose that Mr Malfoy would have written in the diary right away and it probably would have wanted to get back to Hogwarts as soon as possible to re-open the chamber, so when he meets the weasley's in Flourish and Blotts, he dropped in into Ginny's Transfiguration book, instead of what he had originally planned to do and send it with draco that way draco would not be incriminated

Kills two birds with one stone. Destroy the Weasleys, whom he hates, and purge the school in a neat package.

Along with that thinking...

Lucius could have planned to give it to some random student. Upon seeing the Weasleys he thought it would be an even better idea to give it to one of them.

Why did he pick Ginny, anyway? Wouldn't Harry or Professor Lockhart have been better hosts?I think he picked Ginny because she's Arthur Weasley's daughter. He hates all the Weasleys, and would love to blame something like this on them. Plus, it would have the added benefit of sabotaging Arthur's new Muggle Protection Act that was mentioned. Also, an eleven year old girl is much more likely to write in a diary than a 12 year old boy or adult male.

I don't think Lucius would have told Draco. There are many things that Draco doesn't know about but Lucius does. There are just some things that children don't need to know. I don't even think that Draco knew his father was a Death Eater. I say that because telling Draco would be a big risk to the family.

I don't know how he could have kept it from Draco, I mean, Harry knew so Lucius would probably have to tell draco so that there wouldnt be a shock incase harry told him, plus I beleive that being in Slytherine Draco would know to keep his mouth shut to protect his family

I don't know how he could have kept it from Draco, I mean, Harry knew so Lucius would probably have to tell draco so that there wouldnt be a shock incase harry told him, plus I beleive that being in Slytherine Draco would know to keep his mouth shut to protect his family

I don't think Harry found out for sure about Lucius until they were all in the graveyard. It was speculated before then but there was no solid proof of how involved Lucius was with LV. Even if Harry did tell Draco about his father, I doubt Draco would take it seriously considering how much those two hate one another.

I don't think Harry found out for sure about Lucius until they were all in the graveyard. It was speculated before then but there was no solid proof of how involved Lucius was with LV. Even if Harry did tell Draco about his father, I doubt Draco would take it seriously considering how much those two hate one another.

That's a good point but I mean I think that Lucius would tell Draco that he was a DE after the graveyard scene

That's a good point but I mean I think that Lucius would tell Draco that he was a DE after the graveyard scene

It's hard to say. Lucius could have told Draco but then he would also want to keep LV returning hush-hush. At least for the time being. It would be a wish idea considering how tight Lucius is with the ministry. It's also hard to determine if Draco knew judging by his reaction when Lucius got sent to Azkaban. He was angry at Harry but we don't know for sure if there was some surprise there too.

It's hard to say. Lucius could have told Draco but then he would also want to keep LV returning hush-hush. At least for the time being. It would be a wish idea considering how tight Lucius is with the ministry. It's also hard to determine if Draco knew judging by his reaction when Lucius got sent to Azkaban. He was angry at Harry but we don't know for sure if there was some surprise there too.

another great point, and I can't disagree with any of it, just another question, wouldn't the death eaters have wanted to go into hiding after harry escaped the graveyard, i mean they couldn't have predicted the action the ministry would take, especially with crouch jr still at hogwarts. I would think the first thing the DE's would have done was severe ties with the minitry and go into hiding, but that may be me being overly paranoid, what do you gusy think

Why did he pick Ginny, anyway? Wouldn't Harry or Professor Lockhart have been better hosts?
Well, at the time Ginny was with her cauldron and it was so easy just to drop it in there.

Didn't he have everything planned long before? I mean isn't that the reason Dobby came to Harry in the first place, to warn him not to come back because he knew what Malfoy was planning to do?

Didn't he have everything planned long before? I mean isn't that the reason Dobby came to Harry in the first place, to warn him not to come back because he knew what Malfoy was planning to do?

I think that Malfoy was contacted about the diary at the beginning of summer, and began to form a plan in which voldemort would return because of the diary, but I don't thnk he knew about the CoS plot. I think that Dobby was warning Harry because he knew there was a general plan to hurt harry and bring LV back to power. But I still think that Lucius picked up the Diary the same day he gave it to ginny

Ooooh, that makes sense. Do you think he intended to give it to Ginny specifically or hoped that somehow she would pass it on to Harry or someone else?

I just today finished my 4th reading of CoS. I certainly got the impression that Lucius Malfoy planned well in advance of the start of school, to get the diary to an unsuspecting Hogwart's student . Dobby knew about this plan & was concerned for Harry's safety. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Malfoy's trip to Diagon Alley was in search of a victim. Because of his dislike for the Weasleys he grabbed the chance to dump the book off onto Ginny. She was a first year, which he may not have known, but he had to know she was young. He needed someone who was going to be easy prey for Tom to take over.

At the end, Dobby is trying to let Harry know...he keeps moving his head from the book to Malfoy & then hitting himself. Then Harry accuses Malfoy of planting the diary in Ginny's cauldron. Malfoy's response is to say that they will never prove it. He doesn't deny doing it. In fact his statement is pretty close to an admission of guilt.

So IMO, it's clear that Malfoy did know well in advance & is the one who put the plot into action. Using Ginny had to be icing on the cake for him as he was disgruntled with Arthur for his Muggle Act & in fear that his Dark Arts things would be found. Don't forget he was selling them off in the beginning, in case the MoM did a raid on his house.

At least that was how I saw it.

another reason Lucius might give the diary to Ginny would be because she would most likely be in gryffindor like her other family members, so that means she would be in close proximity to harry, wouldn't that have made LV very happy

another great point, and I can't disagree with any of it, just another question, wouldn't the death eaters have wanted to go into hiding after harry escaped the graveyard, i mean they couldn't have predicted the action the ministry would take, especially with crouch jr still at hogwarts. I would think the first thing the DE's would have done was severe ties with the minitry and go into hiding, but that may be me being overly paranoid, what do you gusy think

They got away w/ it last time, I doubt any of them wouldn't be arogant enough to think they could buy their way out of it this time. Plus if they ran it would be cowardly and Voldemort would probably hurt them for abandoning posts that would clearly be of use to him later. And I use the term "hurt" lightly.

Just my opinion

does anyone remember ever reading Cho Chang has blond hair in the earlier books?
No I never remember that. Cho Chang has always had black hair since the first time we saw her on the quidditch pitch
There is no mention of Cho's hair in the Ravenclaw Quidditch scene of book 3. Book 3, pages 259-262. It only says she is very pretty. Book 3, page 304 mentions Cho talking to Harry, no hair. Book 4, page 84, Cho shows up at the World Cup, but no hair mentioned. Book 4, page 192, Harry fanaticizes about winning the Triwizard Cup, and Cho smiling, but no hair. Book 4, page 320, Cho isn't wearing a Cedric badge, no hair. Book 4, pages 388-389, 395-399, Harry thinks about asking Cho to the Ball, then asks her, no hair. Book 4, pages 414, 421, 430-432, At the Yule Ball, no hair, except for talk of Hermione's hair. Book 4, page 435, in the hall, no hair. Book 4, pages 498-500, 503, Cho is in the lake for the second task, only Fleur's sister gets a hair mention. Book 4, page 721, Cho cries at the end of term feast, no hair. Book 5, page 187 "A very pretty girl with long, shiny BLACK hair was standing in the doorway smiling at him." There it is, Cho has black hair, although I can't find any mention of that earlier than book 5. Whenever we state facts we should quote the books, otherwise we can become victims of what we "remember."

another reason Lucius might give the diary to Ginny would be because she would most likely be in gryffindor like her other family members, so that means she would be in close proximity to harry, wouldn't that have made LV very happy

I think that it was shear luck that Lucios found the Weasleys that day, I really dont think he planed to give it to Ginny she was just really conveniant.

I think Lucius would've slipped the diary to anyone. It just happened to be Ginny's cauldron.

I think he did know. He's friends with VM, and it was VM who opened the Chamber last time. I can see VM bragging to his DE's how he fooled everyone at the time - and managed to kill a 'mudblood' too. You have to think - how did Lucius get the diary in the first place? VM must have given it to him . . .
What you just said made me think that TR went through a lot of trouble with not much gain. He only killed one mudblood, didn't he, and then so he could stay at school, he closed the chamber and framed Hagrid.

Did he do that for his own personal gain so he wouldn't have to go back to the orphanage? I think so. I think he hadn't travelled all the way down the evil road as yet. If he had, I think he would have let the basilisk out to kill more mudbloods until the school was actually closed down. TR's feet weren't set firmly on the evil path until he killed his father and grandparents.

With the diary talk still going on...People might like to see (and discuss in):

How did Lucius get Tom Riddle's Diary? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=52530)

Riddles' Diary...why didn't anyone speak up? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=53112)

Does Voldemort know about his diary? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=53079)

I agree that Lucius planned a lot of the mayhem around the Chamber of Secrets, and the diary was an important artifact to get back to the school.

What I don't understand, is that at the end of GOF in the graveyard, Lucius is all fawning and apologetic about not working more for LV or expecting his return.

Now, if he did all that stuff of returning the Diary and knowing about the COS, why wouldn't he strut up to LV and say, "At least I worked for you even if the others didn't"?

I agree that Lucius planned a lot of the mayhem around the Chamber of Secrets, and the diary was an important artifact to get back to the school.

What I don't understand, is that at the end of GOF in the graveyard, Lucius is all fawning and apologetic about not working more for LV or expecting his return.

Now, if he did all that stuff of returning the Diary and knowing about the COS, why wouldn't he strut up to LV and say, "At least I worked for you even if the others didn't"?

If lucius had said this it would have made LV very mad and said, "Oh, so you can give my diary to a little girl, but you can't come look for your master?" that would have been some serious punishment

I think Lucius would've slipped the diary to anyone. It just happened to be Ginny's cauldron.

But wasn't that really stupid? What if Ginny listened to her parents and didn't write in it? Or what if she accidentally dropped it into the fire? Why didn't he give it to Harry? He only had to take two more steps in order to get to Harry? Was he THAT lazy, or did he want to try and mess up Voldemort's plans?

Or maybe he's just dumb.

But wasn't that really stupid? What if Ginny listened to her parents and didn't write in it? Or what if she accidentally dropped it into the fire? Why didn't he give it to Harry? He only had to take two more steps in order to get to Harry? Was he THAT lazy, or did he want to try and mess up Voldemort's plans?

Or maybe he's just dumb.Or maybe he wasn't quite sure what would happen with the diary - wasn't quite sure what it did exactly. As he picked a fight with Arthur it seems the Weasley family was very much on his mind. Seems he saw an opportunity to kill two birds really - open the chamber, and discredit the Weasleys as well. I don't know that he realised Riddle would return if all went well.

As to why he didn't choose Harry - it could be as simple as feeling a young girl was more likely to write in a diary than a boy.

As to why he didn't choose Harry - it could be as simple as feeling a young girl was more likely to write in a diary than a boy.

I think this is why he would have given it to ginny instead of harry

As to why he didn't choose Harry - it could be as simple as feeling a young girl was more likely to write in a diary than a boy.
:agree: And it would have been hard to slip the book into Harry's possession, Harry wasn't carrying anything at that point, not even the Lockhart books--he had already dumped them in Ginny's cauldron.

:agree: And it would have been hard to slip the book into Harry's possession, Harry wasn't carrying anything at that point, not even the Lockhart books--he had already dumped them in Ginny's cauldron.Excellent point!

Still, I do wonder if Lucius knew the diary would return Tom Riddle. My feeling is no - I think he only knew the chamber would be opened somehow and the person with the diary would be blamed, but I'm not sure.

Still, I do wonder if Lucius knew the diary would return Tom Riddle. My feeling is no - I think he only knew the chamber would be opened somehow and the person with the diary would be blamed, but I'm not sure.
I don't think Lucius knew the full potential of the diary, but obviously no real canon to back that feeling. The plan may have been to somehow get the diary to Harry (though the animosity between the Malfoys and Weasleys seems to indicate that Lucius targeted Ginny), but it didn't work out (Harry had no belongings to add the diary to) and Lucius did the next best thing--gave it to Ginny instead.

How much Dobby knew about it...Well, he was intercepting all Harry's mail and would know he had a Weasley friend. So, Dobby may have felt Harry would be too close to the action, having connections with the family the diary would be targeting. Surely Lucius was mentioning the name Weasley at home (and no doubt both he and Draco talked about Harry). Draco would have talked of the trio, too, bringing up the close connection between Harry and Ron (referred to as Potter and Weasley for the most part, I would think).

I'm not sure I can say whether the original target was Harry or a Weasley, for the diary. I do think plenty of clues point to Ginny being the target, though.

I don't think Lucius knew the full potential of the diary, but obviously no real canon to back that feeling. The plan may have been to somehow get the diary to Harry (though the animosity between the Malfoys and Weasleys seems to indicate that Lucius targeted Ginny), but it didn't work out (Harry had no belongings to add the diary to) and Lucius did the next best thing--gave it to Ginny instead.

Actually, Dumbledore insinuates that his intention was for Ginny to open the Chamber of Secrets in the first place. He says something like it would be terrible for Arthur Weasley’s reputation and his Muggle Protection Act, if it was known that his daughter was attacking muggleborns. Dumbledore makes it seem as if Lucius is trying to discredit Arthur in order to get this Muggle Protection Act overruled. Also, when Harry and Ron impersonate Crabb and Goyle, Draco gives them a newspaper clipping about the investigation against Arthur for the incident with the Ford Anglia, and the news included comments from Lucius saying that the incident was a disgrace and Arthur’s Muggle Proteccion Act should be overruled (something like that, I don’t have the exact quote)

On another note, I just finished rereading CoS and I noticed something that I think is kind of weird. I don’t know if it has been discussed here before.
Tom M. Riddle was a half blood. His mother, a witch, died right after he was born. She only had time to name him: Tom after his father and Marvolo after his grandfather. His father, a muggle, abandoned and rejected him because his mother was a witch (little detail she forgot to mention before they got married). So Tom ended up growing up in a muggle orphanage, which he left to go study at Hogwarts. The question is: how is it that the people at this muggle orphanage let this orphan kid to just go to a wizarding school, of which they may not have heard before? Moreover, did Tom came back during the summers? In CoS he tells Headmaster Dippet that if Hogwarts closes he would have to go back to the orphanage, so I assume that he still belonged (as a matter of speaking) to them. He didn’t have anywhere else to go.
Am I just overanalyzing or has someone else thought about this?

The question is: how is it that the people at this muggle orphanage let this orphan kid to just go to a wizarding school, of which they may not have heard before?

Just like the parents of muggle-born kids do. I'm sure Hermione's parents never heard about Hogwarts before, either. Still she could go. I guess no matter how serious this secrecy act (?) is taken, there still HAVE to be several muggles who need to be told about the existance of the wizarding world, and I guess the headmasters of orphanages with wizard children belong to those, as do probably some well chosen people in the muggle government.

JKR once said that there are special messangers who tell the parants of muggle born wizards/witches everything about Hogwarts and stuff. So I guess they also sent one to TR's orphanage to explain and mek them let him go.

And I guess, yes, he did have to go there over the summer, but he probably stayed at Hogwarts all the other holidays. Just like Harry. And we know about certain similarities now, don't we ... :)

Actually, Dumbledore insinuates that his intention was for Ginny to open the Chamber of Secrets in the first place.
:lol: I think you misunderstood! Of course Lucius must have known about the diary leading to the opening of the Chamber, but I don't think he knew that Tom Riddle could live again if the person writing in the diary became possessed by his memory...for a long enough period of time and with sufficient exchanges of thoughts/ideas/feelings. That is the full potential of the diary (Harry stopped it from happening, though he was nearly too late...).And I guess, yes, he did have to go there over the summer, but he probably stayed all the other holidays.
Funny, though, how Muggle orphanages in the 1940's made boys fend for themselves at that age (or younger), some may have even encouraged them to join the (Muggle) army/navy/airforce, the world was at war. Of course Tom doesn't want to go back, they probably wouldn't take him anymore.

Funny, though, how Muggle orphanages in the 1940's made boys fend for themselves at that age (or younger), some may have even encouraged them to join the (Muggle) army/navy/airforce, the world was at war. Of course Tom doesn't want to go back, they probably wouldn't take him anymore.

Interesting point there, Nicole. Also, I wonder where the orphanage thought Tom was during the school year. Obviously boarding school of some kind, but from their POV, they probably found it odd that he only lived at the orphanage a couple months out of the year since he was 11. You'd think they'd question his returning there at all after he left for school, let alone for the summer for 7 years.

They might have sent someone from the school who told the people who ran the orphanage that they were from a muggle boarding school that his mother had attended, and that they wanted to take him on as a scholarship student. That's what I'd have done, anyway - telling a muggle-born student's parents about magic is one thing, but explaining it all to the people who run an orphanage seems dangerous to me. There would be no real reason to tell them, if you could avoid it.

They might have sent someone from the school who told the people who ran the orphanage that they were from a muggle boarding school that his mother had attended, and that they wanted to take him on as a scholarship student. That's what I'd have done, anyway - telling a muggle-born student's parents about magic is one thing, but explaining it all to the people who run an orphanage seems dangerous to me. There would be no real reason to tell them, if you could avoid it.
I think that is a much more logical action than telling the orphanage head about Hogwarts! :agree:

They might have sent someone from the school who told the people who ran the orphanage that they were from a muggle boarding school that his mother had attended, and that they wanted to take him on as a scholarship student. That's what I'd have done, anyway - telling a muggle-born student's parents about magic is one thing, but explaining it all to the people who run an orphanage seems dangerous to me. There would be no real reason to tell them, if you could avoid it.

I don't disagree, in fact, I think I do agree, except that I think that there is probably some type of charm like the sneak charm only more proactive that would get the orphanage leaders to keep quiet about the magical world, otherwise how would Tom get to go to hogsmeade and things like that

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I don't think the orphanage was told about Hogwarts or magic.

I was wondering what the people at the orphange thought about one of their charges being in a boarding school for most of the year & then returning to them for the summer. Even if he had a scholarship from some sort of a foundation, one would think that some other arrangement would have been made for his summer months. From the POV of the orphange people anyway. At least I would have questiond that.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I don't think the orphanage was told about Hogwarts or magic.

I was wondering what the people at the orphange thought about one of their charges being in a boarding school for most of the year & then returning to them for the summer. Even if he had a scholarship from some sort of a foundation, one would think that some other arrangement would have been made for his summer months. From the POV of the orphange people anyway. At least I would have questiond that.

I suppose your right but I don't know too much about boarding school or orphanges I wonder if people who are more familiar with these two places could give us some info

does anyone know how the ootp communicate with each other?
I've been racking my brains since i read it in the book.
I dont know if this is a spoiler or not, but i think its better to be safe than sorry:
JK said they communicate in a way which only requires a wand
the only way i could think of was the sonorus charm!
Please help if you can, and if it isnt a spoiler please tell me so i can take the white strip off :)

for your question, go hereHow the order communicate (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=17301&highlight=Order)

thankyou marauder no 5 :D

Ghosts aren't the actual person being left behind, in OotP Nearly Headless Nick says that it's really only the essence of the person or whatever. Earlier in the series it says something like the people in the paintings (like the old headmasters in Dumbledores office) are only the essence of the person that they portray. Then instead of becoming a ghost, why wouldn't a person just get someone to paint a picture of them?

:lol: I think you misunderstood! Of course Lucius must have known about the diary leading to the opening of the Chamber, but I don't think he knew that Tom Riddle could live again if the person writing in the diary became possessed by his memory...for a long enough period of time and with sufficient exchanges of thoughts/ideas/feelings. That is the full potential of the diary (Harry stopped it from happening, though he was nearly too late...).

:blush:

Can anyone tell me how to do the glow in the sigis?

Ghosts aren't the actual person being left behind, in OotP Nearly Headless Nick says that it's really only the essence of the person or whatever. Earlier in the series it says something like the people in the paintings (like the old headmasters in Dumbledores office) are only the essence of the person that they portray. Then instead of becoming a ghost, why wouldn't a person just get someone to paint a picture of them?

I would assume that to become a portrait like the ones in DD office you need to have a ton of magic put on the portrait, I also think that the portrait will only act like the person if you paint the portrait while they are alive, I also think that you can gt the portrait to act like a person if the person painting it knew the person very well

Can anyone tell me how to do the glow in the sigis?
The first post in the Signature Hosting and Question Thread (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=52999) has a signature tutorial, including instructions on glowing text.

Edit: You might know this already, but I think there's a problem with your marquee tags; on my computer, at least, it's doing funny things to the rest of the page.

Ghosts aren't the actual person being left behind, in OotP Nearly Headless Nick says that it's really only the essence of the person or whatever. Earlier in the series it says something like the people in the paintings (like the old headmasters in Dumbledores office) are only the essence of the person that they portray. Then instead of becoming a ghost, why wouldn't a person just get someone to paint a picture of them?JKR says the portraits aren't really the essence of the people - they just repeat known catch-phrases and things. It's like a very basic reflection of the personality of the person. Nick clearly retains his memories and his personality - he is obviously the 'spirit' of the person he was, the part that would have moved on through the veil to whatever afterlife there is.

i think lucius was just looking for a good, muggle-loving family... someone that he hates. the weasleys are obviously high on his hatelist: why waste an opportunity to discredit them?

I suppose your right but I don't know too much about boarding school or orphanges I wonder if people who are more familiar with these two places could give us some info
Still looking for a site with more insight to that. One orphanage site with "memories" from former residents had comments that they were required to attend church, laundry was done weekly, all children were given clothing, pocket money was available (if they didn't do something against the rules) to buy sweets or attend a movie, there was an annual trip by train to a beach (for a week), the boys had haircuts that gave away their identity as orphans when any of them ran away, and some of the boys were "made sailors or soldiers" during WWII...

Still looking for an orphanage in the UK that mentions the ages that children were 'released' to the outside world during WWII, though.

JKR says the portraits aren't really the essence of the people - they just repeat known catch-phrases and things. It's like a very basic reflection of the personality of the person. Nick clearly retains his memories and his personality - he is obviously the 'spirit' of the person he was, the part that would have moved on through the veil to whatever afterlife there is.

If they are just catch phrases then how do we have portraits like the fat lady who has a job, or the headmasters who give their opinions and help to the current headmaster, surely the help they give isnt just catch phrases

If they are just catch phrases then how do we have portraits like the fat lady who has a job, or the headmasters who give their opinions and help to the current headmaster, surely the help they give isnt just catch phrases

Well, the Fat Lady might not have been a real person. Maybe she was enchanted to behave the way she does. Although I wonder how she felt when Sirius stabbed her in the face?

Well, the Fat Lady might not have been a real person. Maybe she was enchanted to behave the way she does. Although I wonder how she felt when Sirius stabbed her in the face?

She was terrified, but I don't know if he stabbed her in the face, I think he may have just been trying to get through the painting by cutting it up and breaking the back, obviously didn't work

If they are just catch phrases then how do we have portraits like the fat lady who has a job, or the headmasters who give their opinions and help to the current headmaster, surely the help they give isnt just catch phrasesHere's the actual quote from JKR:

All the paintings we have seen at Hogwarts are of dead people. They seem to be living through their portraits. How is this so? If there was a painting of Harry’s parents, would he be able to obtain advice from them?

That is a very good question. They are all of dead people; they are not as fully realised as ghosts, as you have probably noticed. The place where you see them really talk is in Dumbledore’s office, primarily; the idea is that the previous headmasters and headmistresses leave behind a faint imprint of themselves. They leave their aura, almost, in the office and they can give some counsel to the present occupant, but it is not like being a ghost. They repeat catchphrases, almost. The portrait of Sirius’ mother is not a very 3D personality; she is not very fully realised. She repeats catchphrases that she had when she was alive. If Harry had a portrait of his parents it would not help him a great deal. If he could meet them as ghosts, that would be a much more meaningful interaction, but as Nick explained at the end of Phoenix—I am straying into dangerous territory, but I think you probably know what he explained—there are some people who would not come back as ghosts because they are unafraid, or less afraid, of death. from here (http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2004/0804-ebf.htm).

So it seems that the portraits could easily perform the very simple tasks required of them without actually being the person themselves.

Thanks for the quote that clears it up a bit, bt it also makes it look like the Headmasters and headmistresess were there until they died, does thet mean it is really rare for the governors to get rid of a headmaster?

Thanks for the quote that clears it up a bit, bt it also makes it look like the Headmasters and headmistresess were there until they died, does thet mean it is really rare for the governors to get rid of a headmaster?Good question - I don't know. Certainly the fact that Fudge had to hastily draft legislation to allow him powers over the school implies a certain amount of autonomy. I'm not sure that the headmasters are there until they die though - what about that quote gave you that impression?

well if a ghost is a spirit left behind and the headmaster/headmisstress painting are like their auras, I would feel alittle empty with part of my aura missing.

I asked this question because in book 2 Lucius Malfyo gets the governors to get rid of DD and he had to threaten them and stuff, I was wondering if that was a rare occurence because it sounded to me like the paintings weren't up until the headmaster/headmistresses were dead, but the headmaster pevious DD was in there

well if a ghost is a spirit left behind and the headmaster/headmisstress painting are like their auras, I would feel alittle empty with part of my aura missing.Okay - I had just rather thought of it as a reflection of self, something you could easily give or take. I have a hard time believing that everyone just called in a portrait painter on their deathbed!
I asked this question because in book 2 Lucius Malfyo gets the governors to get rid of DD and he had to threaten them and stuff, I was wondering if that was a rare occurence because it sounded to me like the paintings weren't up until the headmaster/headmistresses were dead, but the headmaster pevious DD was in thereRight - there has never been an explanation that I know of about the relationship between the board of governers and the MoM. Lucius doesn't seem to have an official Ministry position but he is very influential both in the Ministry and on the board. Obviously the Minsitry has some governance over the school, and that governance either over-rules the board, or the board members were bribed/threatened into accepting whatever bizarre legislation Fudge put into place.

I'm not sure about when the paintings of the headmasters were done - but we've had no indication that Dumbledore has had his taken. I wonder though, does a portrait have to be done from life? Could a clever artist paint Dumbledore from a good photograph and have the same effect? Because it seems a bit chancy to leave the painting until actual death was upon you. What about accident and sudden heart attack?

I'm not sure about when the paintings of the headmasters were done - but we've had no indication that Dumbledore has had his taken. I wonder though, does a portrait have to be done from life? Could a clever artist paint Dumbledore from a good photograph and have the same effect? Because it seems a bit chancy to leave the painting until actual death was upon you. What about accident and sudden heart attack?

Excellent point, I think that you could do a painting after the person died and still have the same effect with some very powerful magic.

there has never been an explanation that I know of about the relationship between the board of governers and the MoM. Lucius doesn't seem to have an official Ministry position but he is very influential both in the Ministry and on the board. Obviously the Minsitry has some governance over the school, and that governance either over-rules the board, or the board members were bribed/threatened into accepting whatever bizarre legislation Fudge put into place.

I don't know how they work togethor, but I think that if legislation is passed the board must abide to it, I mean jsut like in real life, if the US legislator passes a law, schools have to abide, but the board can still function on its own, look at the integration of school in the 1960's

I don't know how they work togethor, but I think that if legislation is passed the board must abide to it, I mean jsut like in real life, if the US legislator passes a law, schools have to abide, but the board can still function on its own, look at the integration of school in the 1960'sI don't know much about US schools. If it's a 'private' school how much can the legislature effect it? I mean, laws can be passed about academic standards and such, but the laws in OOTP were designed specifically to interfere with the day-to-day running of the school; something I would think should be at the discretion of the board and the headmaster. Maybe this will have to be one more area where the wizard world doesn't reflect the muggle world?

You may be right, i was thinking more of a general sense

You may be right, i was thinking more of a general senseYes, it's too easy to dive really deeping into the HP world and ask a bit too much of it at times I think! Side effect of JKR having developed a very rich and deep world.

I have often wondered why crouchmoody taught Harry how to counter act the imperious curse. Don't you think that was counter productive to Voldy's wishes? Why would he want Harry to have this ability.
Where did all of the escaped DE's get wands?
Who is the bloody baron and why are all of the Hogwarts ghost afraid of him?
These are just a couple of questions I have wonder about.

QueenDragon, I don't know about the Bloody Baron so I'll skip that one! :blush:
As far as Crouch/Moody - here's my theory. He did this for a few reasons:
1) the real Moody would have done it so Crouch had to do it to be convincing. While Crouch/Moody had the real Moody under Imperio, Crouch/Moody may have specifically asked Moody what he planned to teach the students.
2) he did it to scout out Harry's power and report back to His Voldiness what Harry could and could not do. I could not find any information regarding correspondence or communication between His Voldiness and Crouch/Moody, but to set up the TriWizard Cup as a portkey, the two of them must have communicated somehow.
3) He also did it to have some power over Harry, even if it was just for a few minutes. Teaching him to throw it off, or encouraging him to throw it off, was excellent cover for our polyjuicer!

Just my ramblin' thoughts.

duh! I should have thought about Crouch/moody wanting to see how powerful Harry was. Good rambling thoughts Sprout1962 :p :tu:

Where did all of the escaped DE's get wands?We don't know. Presumably they have several options: Send someone else to purchase them at either Ollivanders, a second-hand shop or Borgin & Burkes. Find them around the house, left there when someone died (parent, grandparent, etc.). They had a stash from taking them from AK victims in the 'first' war. They stole them from somewhere/someone (maybe from several people).
Who is the bloody baron and why are all of the Hogwarts ghost afraid of him?You might like to see Why is Peeves scared of the Bloody Baron? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=31005) or one of the other threads found by searching titles only for baron...
I could not find any information regarding correspondence or communication between His Voldiness and Crouch/Moody, but to set up the TriWizard Cup as a portkey, the two of them must have communicated somehow.
At least one owl was sent by Wormtail/Voldemort to Crouch, Jr. at the school. It's message informed him that his father had escaped and it arrived about a week before Harry and Krum encountered Bartemius Crouch, Sr. at the edge of the Forbidden Forest.

Sorry, I know we're already on to other topics, but:

Still, I do wonder if Lucius knew the diary would return Tom Riddle. My feeling is no - I think he only knew the chamber would be opened somehow and the person with the diary would be blamed, but I'm not sure.

Lucius must have known it had something to do with Riddle, because Dobby knew when he warned Harry:

CoS (US version) p.16 "'Hang on-this hasn't got anything to do with Vol- ---sorry--- with You-Know-Who, has it?' ... Slowly, Dobby shook his head."

...

p.339 "'You told me all this had nothing to do with He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, remember? Well-'
'It was a clue, sir,' said Dobby, his eyes widening, as though this was obvious. 'Was giving you a clue. The Dark Lord, before he changed his name, could be freely named, you see?'"

Who is the bloody baron and why are all of the Hogwarts ghost afraid of him?

The Bloody Baron is the Slytherin house ghost. The ghosts aren't afraid of him, only Peeves.

If you read Terry Pratchett he deals with this very well (and also extremely funnily) Basically he posits that every possible action happens creating multiple time lines (The trouser legs of time) Hence there's a line where Hermione got to charms, another (the one we read about) where she missed it and yet another where she missed it but time turns back to take it.(italics mine)

POLICE WARNING!OFF TOPIC! POLICE WARNING! EXTRMELY OFF TOPIC! POLICE WARNIN

Terry...Pratchett...so....funny....I only read one of his books, "The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents", and I'm hooked! I believe you, Mundungus, I'm pretty sure that if he tackled time travel it'd come out pretty good.
(No offense J.K.)
POLICE WARNING DONE.
Anyways, I think maybe when the Bloody Baron went to school there, he did something atrocious to Peeves or anorher ghost in front of Peeves. :huh: But I'm new to this. So feel free to put this theory through a paper shredder, I don't mind. (Really)

Meanwhile, QueenDragon, I think maybe Moody/Crouch taught him because he...
a)was expecting to kill Harry, so thought it wouldn't matter
b)was expecting to persuade Harry into joining LV
c)was trying to gain Harry's trust

I wa going to post these questions in muggle studies, but i didnt want a professor to get mad at me for starting a new thread.

Right now, for some reason, I am watching HP and the COS. I just watched the scene where it is snowing, and there are horses pulling carriges across the grounds. Were those Therestrals?

And when Lucious handed over the "paper" of suspension to dumbuldore, wouldnt Fudge had had to sign it also? After all, he wanted to take it away from lucious before he gave it to dumbuldore.

Flannery,

Lucius didn't need Fudge's signature because Fudge is not a member of the Board of Directors of Hogwarts. Lucius only needed (coersced) the other 11 members to sign in order to remove Dumbledore. Fudge had no say in the manner.

Regarding the thestrals, it was the director's license to use the horses, as thestrals were not introduced until OotP. Some of the things in the movies are not verbatim from the books. Also, when we all read CoS, none of us knew thestrals even existed. We were never told how the carriages were moved. JKR saved that for OotP.

Fudge isn't a school governer. If he was, Dumbledore probably would have stayed at Hogwarts (remember, back then, Dumbledore and Fudge were 'in' with each other)

The Bloody Baron is the Slytherin house ghost. The ghosts aren't afraid of him, only Peeves.

You see throughout the series that peeves isn't the only person who is afriad of the Bloody Baron, I think that Nick at one point mentioned that he was intimidated, I beleive that the Bloddy Baron my have been one of the reasons peeves is around, this is a new theory so there isn't too much canon to it, but who is to say that the baron wasn't the person who made peeves anyways, I'm not quite sure how poltergeists are created but if a person can make them, perhaps the Bloddy Baron made peeves?

:welcome: you might want to check out the quidditch pitch section there are riddle and games there all the time!

You see throughout the series that peeves isn't the only person who is afriad of the Bloody Baron, I think that Nick at one point mentioned that he was intimidated, I beleive that the Bloddy Baron my have been one of the reasons peeves is around, this is a new theory so there isn't too much canon to it, but who is to say that the baron wasn't the person who made peeves anyways, I'm not quite sure how poltergeists are created but if a person can make them, perhaps the Bloddy Baron made peeves?
First off, I have no clue how poltergeists are created. Maybe I should google it...

Secondly, I do remember Nick saying he was intimidated by the Bloody Baron and that he is a cold and strong ghost that people tend to have some sort of respect for. As for fear, I don't think it is taken that far. The students and Peeves might fear him, but I don't believe the other ghosts' attitudes towards him could be carried that far.

First off, I have no clue how poltergeists are created. Maybe I should google it...
All that is known is that they spawn in places where there are often high emotions, especially around children.

So then it doesn't seem that any one person can create them. It's really a group effort, eh?

So then it doesn't seem that any one person can create them. It's really a group effort, eh?
As far as I know there haven't been any reported cases of a poltergiest appearing in a situtation involving only one person, like in the house of someone living alone for example. The more people you have, the more emotions and conflict you have, so naturally its a better chance of creating a poltergiest.

From what I know of poltergeists, they are pretty much emotion made into being. In a place as big and as magical as Hogwarts, and with as many students as they have, I can see why Peeve's came into being. I mean Fred and George alone probably have enough mischief and chaos in them to spawn a poltergeist:lol: I mean, at the end of OOTP, Fred and George give him a request and he actually listens to them:lol:
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I suppose I was wrong about the Bloody Baron, but I still think that peeves listens to him becaus he was a person that was to be feared while he was alive, maybe even salaazar slytherine himself

Well, do we know how long Peeves has been around? If he was a recent thing, it might be owing to Fred and George.

It was said that Poltergeists come from conflict and emotion...so it would make sense for him to have come about back in the day of the Founding Four. Salazar Slythering and Godric Gryffindor didn't get along too well and I'm sure it effected the other two pretty badly, too. The students probably were at unease about the situation and rivalries most likely started up between them.

The Bloody Baron is the Slytherin house ghost. The ghosts aren't afraid of him, only Peeves.

hmmm, perhaps it is an interpretation thing, but I've always gotten the impression that the ghosts were afraid of him as well as peeves. Can't remember an exact quote, I am at work and do not have access to a book. I would guess that it was in the first one and something in Nearly headless Nicks description of the Bloody Baron made me think he was afraid :huh:

My question is referring to the Bloody Baron's past, I am sure that anyone who reads the HP books is aware that he is the Slythering house ghost. We know something of Nick's history and I was curious of the Baron's.

hmmm, perhaps it is an interpretation thing, but I've always gotten the impression that the ghosts were afraid of him as well as peeves. Can't remember an exact quote, I am at work and do not have access to a book. I would guess that it was in the first one and something in Nearly headless Nicks description of the Bloody Baron made me think he was afraid :huh:

My question is referring to the Bloody Baron's past, I am sure that anyone who reads the HP books is aware that he is the Slythering house ghost. We know something of Nick's history and I was curious of the Baron's.

I agree with your assessment. Harry asked NHN where the BB got the bloodstains, and NHN, says, I never asked....delicately.

I agree with your assessment. Harry asked NHN where the BB got the bloodstains, and NHN, says, I never asked....delicately.

ok, thanks for the quote, but I auppose it is an interpretation thing, I always thought that the other ghosts feared him, or at least were intimidated by him and if he is the ghost of salazaar slytherine then what if Godric gryffindor gave him the bloodstains, it never mentioned any reason that the two would figh but it seems it would not have taken much do to the hostilities

Hmmm, the Bloody Baron = Salazar Slytherin...Well, the Sorting Hat did mention duels and fights amongst the Founders. It also said Slytherin "departed", but that can mean he died or he left the school...

And it is an interesting point that we have never heard him speak, but he must do so or Peeves wouldn't have thought Harry was the Baron in PS/SS. Maybe he only talks to ghosts and Heirs of Slytherin? Is that how Tom Riddle was guided to the Chamber, by the Bloody Baron? :huh:

Perhaps I should read those Baron threads...

Hmmm, the Bloody Baron = Salazar Slytherin...Well, the Sorting Hat did mention duels and fights amongst the Founders. It also said Slytherin "departed", but that can mean he died or he left the school...


But Binns tell us in CoS, "After a while, there was a serious argument on the subject between Slytherin and Gryffindor, and Slytherin left the school." (p.114, The Writing on the Wall, U.K. edition)

That's not to say he didn't come back to the school after he died.

That's not to say he didn't come back to the school after he died.
:agree: I knew I was missing a quote about the subject! :blush:

But it seems less likely, then, that Gryffindor (or Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw) caused the blood we see on the Baron; less likely that any of the other Founders had anything to do with his death.

Is that how Tom Riddle was guided to the Chamber, by the Bloody Baron? :huh:

Perhaps I should read those Baron threads...

wow good point, if the baron isn't slytherin then tom must have done some seriousely good research especially if it was all under DD nose and he didn't know about it

wow good point, if the baron isn't slytherin then tom must have done some seriousely good research especially if it was all under DD nose and he didn't know about itThat's one of those little questions I'd really like JKR to answer: how did Riddle know he was the heir of Slytherin? And how did he know there even was a Chamber? His mother lived just long enough to give him a name he says - but seems to me she must have left some sort of letter, or he must have researched his family once he learned he was a wizard. (The last one makes sense given his blood obsession I suppose)

That's one of those little questions I'd really like JKR to answer: how did Riddle know he was the heir of Slytherin? And how did he know there even was a Chamber? His mother lived just long enough to give him a name he says - but seems to me she must have left some sort of letter, or he must have researched his family once he learned he was a wizard. (The last one makes sense given his blood obsession I suppose)

well ther have been some speculation of a heir of gryffindor heir of slytherin battle, I wonder if JKR will talk more about it in the next couple of books

I don't know if this has been asked, but why did the sorting hat take so long to sort Seamus?

As far as I know there haven't been any reported cases of a poltergiest appearing in a situtation involving only one person, like in the house of someone living alone for example. The more people you have, the more emotions and conflict you have, so naturally its a better chance of creating a poltergiest.

*ahem* I checked it out on Wikipedia...

Poltergeist activity tends to occur around a single person called an agent or a focus (typically a prepubescent female). Almost seventy years of research by the Rhine Research Center (Raleigh-Durham, NC USA) has led to the hypothesis among parapsychologists that the "poltergeist effect" is a form of psychokinesis generated by a living human mind (that of the agent). According to researchers at the Rhine Center, the "poltergeist effect" is the outward manifestation of psychological trauma. Skeptics believe that the phenomena are hoaxes perpetrated by the agent. Indeed, many poltergeist agents have been caught by investigators in the act of throwing objects. A few of them later confessed to faking. However, parapsychologists investigating poltergeists think that most occurrences are real, and the agents cheat only when they are subsequently caught cheating. The longevity and consistency between poltergeist stories (the earliest one details the raining of stones and bed shaking in ancient Egypt) has left the matter open for debate within the parapsychology community.

and....

Another version of the poltergeist is the "wrath version." When a person dies in a powerful rage at the time of death, that person is believed by some to come back to fulfill that vengeance. In some cases, the vengeance is too strong to let go or forgive, and the metaphysical ghost becomes a poltergeist, in which the newly formed ghost can affect solid objects, and in some cases are deadly. According to yet another opinion, ghosts and poltergeists are "recordings." When there is a powerful emotion, sometimes at death and sometimes not, a recording is believed to be embedded into the fabric of time, and this recording will continue to play over and over again until the energy embedded disperses.

Basically, it means that poltergeists tend to revolve around a single person called a "focus" or "agent" and that is usually a preteen girl. Sometimes the focus will be caught throwing things around and confess to faking, most times no one confesses. Also, poltergeists may be caused when someone dies in a "powerful rage". At times, the ghost is too angry to forgive, and the ghost becomes a poltergeist.

:welcome: to the forum, dramageek!I don't know if this has been asked, but why did the sorting hat take so long to sort Seamus?
To the best of my knowledge, that has not been revealed. It may be as simple as seeing all the House traits in him and muddling over which House would best suit him.
tom must have done some seriousely good research especially if it was all under DD nose and he didn't know about it
Well, I do wonder if there isn't something in the Slytherin common room...Maybe one snake object (portrait part, door knob...maybe something very small like the snake scratched into the tap in Myrtle's bathroom, even) is enchanted to respond to someone speaking Parseltongue. Not sure how or why Tom would have spoken to such objects, nor when. It just seems like he could have gained some clue or knowledge left by Salazar. I just had never thought that the Bloody Baron could have anything to do with Tom learning about the Chamber--figured it was from books in the Restricted Section or something in the Slytherin common room or dorm. :blush:

hello any1?

i can't think of a reason other than maybe he portrayed qualities ungryffindor like, but his parents or something where in a different house, or vice versa

poltergeists tend to revolve around a single person called a "focus" or "agent"
Maybe it would be best to stick to the short version the author has supplied. ;)
Peeves chews gum, how can he when he is a ghost? (Nearly Headless Nick can't eat).
Peeves isn't a ghost; he was never a living person. He is an indestructible spirit of chaos, and solid enough to unscrew chandeliers, throw walking sticks and, yes, chew gum.

yo guys i was rereading GOF in antisapation and i realsied in the first chapter that one of the three Riddles killed was named Tom and he was a teenager how is that possible that means LV killed himself?? reread chapter 1 in GOF and u'll get wut i mean. can sum1 please help me in understanding who those three Riddles were. (i know one of them is LV father, but who are the other two and especially who is this teenage snobby boy name tom riddle??)

I wondered this too, but I assume that Tom is LV's half brother, his father remarried, and had another kid and named him tom, so LV came and killed all three of them, I think that's probably accurate but I could be wrong

The first chapter causes a lot of confusion but here's what happened:

Tom Riddle (Voldemort) killed his father - also named Tom Riddle, and his grandparents (Tom Riddle senior's parents).

yo guys i was rereading GOF in antisapation and i realsied in the first chapter that one of the three Riddles killed was named Tom and he was a teenager how is that possible that means LV killed himself?? reread chapter 1 in GOF and u'll get wut i mean. can sum1 please help me in understanding who those three Riddles were. (i know one of them is LV father, but who are the other two and especially who is this teenage snobby boy name tom riddle??)
I wondered this too, but I assume that Tom is LV's half brother, his father remarried, and had another kid and named him tom, so LV came and killed all three of them, I think that's probably accurate but I could be wrong
If you knew how often this scene is misunderstood...

Tom Riddle, the Muggle, married a witch. He abandoned her before she gave birth to their son. Still, she named him Tom after his father and added Marvolo for his grandfather (presumably her own father). Tom Marvolo Riddle attended Hogwarts, opened the Chamber of Secrets, became Head Boy....When he left school, he sought revenge on his Muggle father--Tom Riddle (some use Tom Riddle, Sr., but I really doubt the Muggle had "Marvolo" as a middle name). Muggle Tom Riddle had moved back into his parents' house. Young Tom Marvolo Riddle murdered his father and grandparents...not himself.

ok that makes sense, but didn't it say he was a teenager who died? wouldn't that mean that he would have to have gone back in time, I don't have my book with me, I'm at a friends house, I could be way off, could someone post a quote for me?

ok that makes sense, but didn't it say he was a teenager who died? wouldn't that mean that he would have to have gone back in time, I don't have my book with me, I'm at a friends house, I could be way off, could someone post a quote for me?Nope - actually it says the Riddles and their grown up son I think. The teenager is Voldemort - seen by Frank Bryce on the day of the murders. I'm sure someone has the quote...

no but it doesn't make sense y would tom senior rename another kid one of his sons tom?

I was wrong, LV killed his father, Tom, and his grandfather, and his Grandmother, The teenager was LV

no but it syas one of the pplz killed was a "snobbish" teenager name tom.

I beleive that it said Frank Bryce saw a teenager, that was LV

no but it syas one of the pplz killed was a "snobbish" teenager name tom.Nope - it says the Riddles and their grown up son. There is mention of a teenager, but it's a pale teen that Frank Bryce claims to see on the day of the murders, and he doesnt' recognize him - most likely this is Voldemort coming to kill off his muggle relations.

Quick suggestion - we have a lot of people on the forums who don't speak english as their first language. l33t talk and internet grammar are confusing for them and make your posts difficult to read.

Voldemort was the teenage boy and he killed his father and grandparents. Voldemort was named after his father "Tom Riddle".

Edit: too late!

so basically the three people were:

1.Tom Riddle (LV father)
2.Tom Riddle's wife
3.Tom riddle's son who is a muggle named Tom RIddle.

Voldemort's father has the same name.

Tom Riddle the Junior (Voldie) killed Tom Riddle the Senior (father) and his grandparents.