Unfogging the Half-Blood Prince Cover Art v2.0

Did JKR ever say if the shape of the scar is important? She said she liked Dumbledore's London Underground scar... but, then again, if Grindlewald's sign was the London Underground, he's got other porblems to deal wtih. Haha.

Did JKR ever say if the shape of the scar is important? She said she liked Dumbledore's London Underground scar... but, then again, if Grindlewald's sign was the London Underground, he's got other porblems to deal wtih. Haha.Actually she said that the shape of the scar isn't the most important thing about it. So it could be important, just not the thing of ultimate importance. Hold on... I'll see if I can fish out the quote.

here it is (http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2004/0304-wbd.htm)

Cathedral: Don't want to rune the ending, but will we be finding out more about the significance of the shape of Harry's scar in future books?
JK Rowling replies -> The shape is not the most significant aspect of that scar, and that's all I'm going to say!

Ah, more to say, she has. She chose the lightning bolt for the scar, but... maybe there's more to it. I doubt it, but I'm bored so what the heck, right?!:)

Ah, more to say, she has. She chose the lightning bolt for the scar, but... maybe there's more to it. I doubt it, but I'm bored so what the heck, right?!:)Eh - sorry about that, I did some editing while you were checking that link and replaced it with another... trying to clarify and I think I ended up confusing! Anyway, the link now goes to the page with the quote I give...

Ah, I see what you mean... well, we'll wait to see what JKR has to say!

I was just thinking about the ring. Earlier I asked what other wizarding families started with "S". Well I just remembered Severus Snape, I'm not sure why I didn't remember it before. I'm not sure it will be his but I thought that I should throw that out as a possibility.
That's a good point. Severus Snape, a Slytherin... Jo said we would find out more about him in the next book, and there is a Potions book on the adult cover :eyebrows:

In Layers, we noticed that the missing chunk in the ring is a mirror image similar to Harry's scar. I was wondering if the missing chunk from the ring is what's on Harry's forehead.That was my first thought, the chunk resembling suspiciously a lightning bolt, just as Harry's scar's shape, but later on, comparing it with Harry's scar on the front cover, by the same artist, I've realized that they look completely different :shrug:

In any case, I don't think Harry has a fragment of a ring stuck on his forehead :huh:

I agree. When I first saw the two hands, I felt it was symbolic of unity and most likely Bill and Fleur's wedding. The gold cord symbolizes unity and prosperity. Other colors mean other things.
Hm... I don't discard the possibility of Fleur and Bill getting married, but I just can't see how their wedding could be so relevant to the main plot to appear twice on the cover (Hands fasting and ring)

Hm... I don't discard the possibility of Fleur and Bill getting married, but I just can't see how their wedding could be so relevant to the main plot to appear twice on the cover (Hands fasting and ring)
No, I don't believe the ring has anything to do with a wedding. It's definitely not that kind of ring. It's a crest ring that might belong to either royalty or the head of a family.

But I do feel there is double symbolism in the wedding. It's not just the joining of Fleur and Bill, but the first indication of unity we see in the books. And not just between two wizards, but two wizards from different countries and different schools. Hopefully, it indicates the beginning of unity between the houses.

Even though it may not have anything to do with a wedding (the cord is used in handfasting), it still may indicate unity between two houses. It might not even be school houses, but familial houses or royal houses.

I wanted to point out a couple of things:

1. In The Philosophers Stone, On the Ride to the Vaults, they pass an underground lake, Harry leans out to look down , and hagrid pulls him back in I reread this several times, and could not understand why Hagrid did this.

2. In the British Children's copy of the Half Blood Prince, on the Front Cover, there are 3 things:
1. The fire seems to be coming out of the end of a wand when it comes off the page (consult picture).
2. A few things in the Bottom right hand corner look like Medieval Weapons.
3. Harry looks shocked and in despair, staring at where the weapons and wand fire are coming from.
4. Dumbledore seems to be extremely shocked (although this may be because his beard seems to be ON FIRE! :huh: .
5. Dumbledores wand is BENT AND IS GLOWING RED/ORANGE/YELLOW.
6. Is the wand fire a staff???, if you look closely, it looks like one (examine close up picture)!!!
7. Is that thing on the back cover (no picture) a thing that can summon dead people - the half-blood prince.

http://www.mikimetropolis.com/fullukhbpcover.jpg
http://www.mikimetropolis.com/fullukhbpcover (2).jpg

I missed a few days ont his thread, but I figure I'll jump back into the fray once more...

No, I don't believe the ring has anything to do with a wedding. It's definitely not that kind of ring. It's a crest ring that might belong to either royalty or the head of a family.

But I do feel there is double symbolism in the wedding. It's not just the joining of Fleur and Bill, but the first indication of unity we see in the books. And not just between two wizards, but two wizards from different countries and different schools. Hopefully, it indicates the beginning of unity between the houses.

Even though it may not have anything to do with a wedding (the cord is used in handfasting), it still may indicate unity between two houses. It might not even be school houses, but familial houses or royal houses.

I totally agree with you that if a wedding does take place it will most certainly have a lot of symbolism. If you think about it, we already know Fleur isn't a pureblood-she's part Veela. Bill, on the other hand, is a pureblood.

However, it seems a little strange to me that they would get married so quickly-I mean Fleur would only be about 19 or 20 and that's pretty young. Course they could also decide with the war to get married and enjoy some time together in case something happened.

Oddly enough though, I don't think that there will be any marriages of characters who are at least somewhat close to Harry until after Voldemort is gone. I know it seems stereo-typical and what not but if you think about it it makes sense. Look at most stories with happy endings, at the end, everyone gets married and lives happily ever after unless they were the bad guys. Even Shakespeare did it in all his comedies and it's used all the time in classic fairy tales.

I still firmly believe that the clasped hands are those of Harry and Dumbledore, based mostly on the front cover art. It just fits, ya know? In any cas eI'd say their clasped hands signifies a strong bond and possibly the transfer of power. However, I also feel that perhaps they're combining their power to produce the flame encircling their hands.

Well it DOES look like the head of a staff, i was wondering what it was. My first impression was that DD was making this fire appear from his wand but what youre saying i guess, is that the staff bearer is the one "attacking" harry and DD with that fiery thing?

If you look closely at the ring on the British bookjacket, the "lightning bolt" on it goes from the top rim to the bottom rim. My first impression of this is that the ring symbolizes some sort of promise, and considering this is the wizarding world, when the promise is broken, the stone in the ring is broken into two completely seperate pieces, signifying a severed unit.
This seems to contrast with the two hands with the golden thread around them. Despite the fact that many people have dubbed this a sign of unity, the last time we saw a golden thread in HP was when two opposite forces attempted to attack eachother. (Voldemort and Harry's wands in GoF). Also, it doesn't appear as though any force is being exerted from either hand to the other, and it seems highly unlikely for Voldemort and Harry to have decided to settle their differences through an arm-wrestling match.
Just my theories!

Hmm...
It's definitely not that kind of ring. It's a crest ring that might belong to either royalty or the head of a family.


Royalty, you say? Like perhaps a...Half-Blood Prince.

Maybe the ring is a token of sorts from the HBP himself, whether it be a means of power or protection.

1. In The Philosophers Stone, On the Ride to the Vaults, they pass an underground lake, Harry leans out to look down , and hagrid pulls him back in I reread this several times, and could not understand why Hagrid did this.
Maybe because he was worried the 11-year-old child was going to fall into the cold, dark water? :huh:

I'm wondering about the ring on the spine of the cover. And that's just about it. I sit wondering with nothing in my head about what it could mean!
Hey Ginny1976,
That's a very wise approach.

All this wild conjecture and fevered wondering that is going on will end up being rather spoilerish. People will get too fixed on their ideas about what will or should happen, and then they'll be disappointed when it doesn't turn out like that.

And chances are it won't. JKR is very adept at the art of the curved ball. The one thing you can be sure of is that there are things ahead that we won't have seen coming. ;)

And chances are it won't. JKR is very adept at the art of the curved ball. The one thing you can be sure of is that there are things ahead that we won't have seen coming. ;)
That's certainly true. As has been discussed before, cover art is very stylized and is meant more to attract people to buy the book. But each thing on the cover is meant to indicate something within the book. The ring, the boat, the pensieve, would not have been put on the covers unless they were mentioned in the book. In the end, the final interpretation comes from that brilliant author, that master of the red herring, that clever hider of important clues, JKR herself. But I have to give a lot of credit to her fans in these forums for ferreting out those clues.

1. In The Philosophers Stone, On the Ride to the Vaults, they pass an underground lake, Harry leans out to look down , and hagrid pulls him back in I reread this several times, and could not understand why Hagrid did this.As I had mentioned on some of my previous posts, I do believe that it could be related to that Gringotts underground lakes with dragons guarding some vaults, etc, but I don't think the fact of Hagrid pulling Harry back has any other significance than keeping him safe, they were going down at a really high speed, it could be dangerous for him.
6. Is the wand fire a staff???, if you look closely, it looks like one (examine close up picture)!!![quote]I think although when looking at it separately it looks like the end of a staff, or even a bone, it is just the reflection of the fire on the edge of Dumbledore's robes, just look at the edge of the sleeve, it has the same colours, and also the natural flow of the cloth would go in that direction, given his posture and movement.[quote]2. A few things in the Bottom right hand corner look like Medieval Weapons.Just Dumbledore's robes, in my humble opinion
3. Harry looks shocked and in despair, staring at where the weapons and wand fire are coming from.
4. Dumbledore seems to be extremely shocked (although this may be because his beard seems to be ON FIRE! :huh: I think definitely they are facing something really dangerous and powerful, the whole scene is violent and tense
5. Dumbledores wand is BENT AND IS GLOWING RED/ORANGE/YELLOW.That's right, it looks as if the end was incandescent (By the way, doesn't the wand shape look a bit odd, and too short?)
7. Is that thing on the back cover (no picture) a thing that can summon dead people - the half-blood prince.I don't think dead people can be summoned... perhaps ghosts, or memories, but I don't have any canon to prove you wrong...

Just a few more days and we will find out finally :D
*Bounces all around the room like crazy*

I re-examined the 'Medieval Weapons' that I said about in my previous post, and noticed i was very wrong!

It is in Fact, a hand rail made of black stone.
You can also see that they are heading up it, and it may go in a spiral, but is definantly not completely straight, and is not the staircase to Dumbledores Office (unless someone decided to give it a FREAKY Makeover.
:p

Consult Picture below:
:angel:
(No not that one, this)

http://www.mikimetropolis.com/fullukhbpcover (3).jpg

PS: Well it DOES look like the head of a staff, i was wondering what it was. My first impression was that DD was making this fire appear from his wand but what youre saying i guess, is that the staff bearer is the one "attacking" harry and DD with that fiery thing?

I am not certain Harry and Dumbledore are being attacked, they may be attempting a very dangerous and scary spell, helped by another person with the staff, although the scene does not seem to show this.

PPS: In the Order of the Phoenix, when Dumbledore fights Voldemort in the MoM Atrium (whatever its called, you know), Dumbledore uses a spell that encases Voldemort in fire, could the spells be one or the same, could they be similar, could it be the dark version of that spell??????????

Okay so this may be an English thing. The 2 hands interlinked look to me like the promise that 'blood brothers' make. The hands being held together like that is a sign of deep friendship and trust that should not be broken of anything. In the play/musical theatre Blood Brothers by Willy Russell 2 twins who were seperated at birth meet, realise they share the same birthday and go through the 'ritual' of becoming blood brothers. This involves cutting the palm of the hand and clasping hands as seen on the cover. Now I'm not for a second suggesting that Harry has a twin or even a long last brother as I don't believe that he has! I just thought that maybe it could be a form of this 'ritual' between Harry and the Half Blood Prince, a sign of trust and friendship. The rope of flame could be similar to the Priori Incantatem seen in GOF. However in the play both brothers die.......

IS their a v3.0? if not oh well here are some things I happened to have found so far.

3 extensions shown below and here are more.
The Dagger extension:
This might have something to do with a fight that took place there.

Dobby extension:
He seems to have played a bigger part than we assumed in CoS so maybe he will come out in this some how too. Maybe he kow where to find this glowing pensieve thing.

House elf face:
Possibly Kreachers? He may come to his senses in the end or maybe bring up new information about how to bring back Sirius in return of his freedom or maybe witching masters?:huh: (Malfoy come to mind?)

http://photobucket.com/albums/y116/golred/cover%20art/th_sanimagus.png
Not sure what this one means, hopefully the half-blood prince is Sirius and he's coming back. Or it could foretell the opening of the veil!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/golred/cover%20art/snape.png
Okay Snape maybe he has a big role in this one, I speculate we learn alot about his past and what happened between James and Lilly and him. We may learn about how much he had to do with thier deaths!

At the moment Wolf dreadfully messed up will upload soon.
This is named Wolf but looking closely it may not be a WW at all but a centuar! COuld they join the War?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/golred/cover%20art/womanface.png
Woman: I think this is either mad eye moodie or a woman spraled across the ground. Maybe dieing? Hermione, Ginny, someone similar Mrs. Weasly?

Hey Ginny1976,
That's a very wise approach.

All this wild conjecture and fevered wondering that is going on will end up being rather spoilerish. People will get too fixed on their ideas about what will or should happen, and then they'll be disappointed when it doesn't turn out like that.

And chances are it won't. JKR is very adept at the art of the curved ball. The one thing you can be sure of is that there are things ahead that we won't have seen coming. ;)
When I read the book and realize that everybody was so horribly mistaken, it makes me even more excited. As in wow, that was the last thing in anyone's brain. It doesn't disappoint me that i'm wrong. In fact, it makes it better that way.

Yes I see several faces around the fence. I'm not sure they were intended but they are there. I also noted that the book on the British adult version is advance potions, evidently Harry is going on with his Auror training. Why else would he take another Snape class. BTW what is the difference between adult and children's versions? Is it just the cover. Which one do we get in America?

Yes I see several faces around the fence. I'm not sure they were intended but they are there. I also noted that the book on the British adult version is advance potions, evidently Harry is going on with his Auror training. Why else would he take another Snape class. BTW what is the difference between adult and children's versions? Is it just the cover. Which one do we get in America?

In the UK, Harry Potter is published in two forms--one with a children's cover and another with a more nonchalant cover so adults may hide the fact that they read Harry Potter. Text is the same.

Here in America, we get only only option---Mary Grandpre's art. The text here in America is roughly the same as our neighbors across the sea with some alterations to spelling and lingo.

Here's one for you to ponder...

http://www.thefilebucket.com/userfiles/Daveydee/firecreature2.jpg

Heliopath?

Here's one for you to ponder...Heliopath?

Oooh, you're right, it could be one. I wouldn't be suprised if one of Luna's crazy ideas turned out to be true, just to make her seem more mysterious. And if it is a heliopath, is it coming out of DD's wand, or his he controlling it with his wand, or is it attacking DD and Harry? Perhaps the heliopaths have joined Voldie's side?

An odd thought has come to me, and I have nothing to back it up. Refering to the US cover, Dumbledore and Harry stand in a forest, a dagger and broken fence before them. Could this be the ruins of James' & Lily's home, now overgrown?

An odd thought has come to me, and I have nothing to back it up. Refering to the US cover, Dumbledore and Harry stand in a forest, a dagger and broken fence before them. Could this be the ruins of James' & Lily's home, now overgrown?
That makes a lot of sense.

An odd thought has come to me, and I have nothing to back it up. Refering to the US cover, Dumbledore and Harry stand in a forest, a dagger and broken fence before them. Could this be the ruins of James' & Lily's home, now overgrown?

I like that idea alot. I wonder what could be gained by visiting that particular spot, now that the house has been ruined? Maybe they left some magical object behind that will help Harry in some way. Or maybe it is a secret meeting place for the Order when 12 Grimmault Place isn't available (with a new secret keeper this time, of course.) JKR did say there was significance to Godric's Hollow having the same name as Gryffindor, so maybe this is where we find out about that.

Originally Posted by Culte Ventosus
An odd thought has come to me, and I have nothing to back it up. Refering to the US cover, Dumbledore and Harry stand in a forest, a dagger and broken fence before them. Could this be the ruins of James' & Lily's home, now overgrown?


That makes a lot of sense.

I second that. Except one thing might be strange about that. Wouldn't the ruins of their house be cleaned up after 16 years? The muggles in Godric's Hollow would think it was odd the house was kept like that. Unless...they just ignored it.

I second that. Except one thing might be strange about that. Wouldn't the ruins of their house be cleaned up after 16 years? The muggles in Godric's Hollow would think it was odd the house was kept like that. Unless...they just ignored it.

Unless it has muggle repelling charms, or is unplotable or something. Remember this was a safe house, it may have had more protection than just the ?fedelius? (i know I spelled that wrong) charm.

I've just been rereading the books (for the umteenth time), and when I got to the chapter "Snapes Worst Memory", the Scholastic version has an illustration of the Pensieve. It is identical in size and shape to the one on the cover. It is quite large and deep. I am convinced that the basin that is on the front of the Scholastic version and on the back of the Bloomsbury version is most definitely a Pensieve.

That means that the Pensieve is important, since the only other time the illustrations have been the same was on PoA where Buckbeak is on both covers and Padfoot on both backs. And both Buckbeak and Padfoot were important.

i think the fidelius charm on the potters house would still continue on, so as the muggles of godric's hollow presumably werent told by pettigrew where the house is then the charm should still be active...i think, but i think its a great idea that the art on the deluxe edition is the potter's old house

The other object associated with green other than the avada kedavra curse is the object Dumbledore uses in ootp. i have always been a staunch supporter that the instrument on the cover the hbp is an explanation of this open-ended plot in the ootp.

Here's one for you to ponder...

http://www.thefilebucket.com/userfiles/Daveydee/firecreature2.jpg

Heliopath?
Wow. Very good!

Then we'd better get our Snorkack repellent packed for summer camp.



This is named Wolf but looking closely it may not be a WW at all but a centuar! COuld they join the War? Another good find! But it seems to have a horn, (if I'm looking at it in the right direction. :blush: ) Could it be a unicorn? Or a kelpie?

The other object associated with green other than the avada kedavra curse is the object Dumbledore uses in ootp. i have always been a staunch supporter that the instrument on the cover the hbp is an explanation of this open-ended plot in the ootp.
Fudge generally wears green clothing and Harry's dress robes in GoF were green, to bring out his green eyes. Green is a slytherin color. Actually, there's quite a bit of green.

http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/hbp/ring.gif

http://www.kulturreisen-naffin.de/trouba.JPG

I dont know if you think there is anything common...And I never heard that opera...

http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/hbp/ring.gif

http://www.kulturreisen-naffin.de/trouba.JPG

I dont know if you think there is anything common...And I never heard that opera...
Wow! The thumbs are even in the same position. Good find!

Of course, it could just have been the model that the HBP artist used for the cover art, but still....... :huh:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0153838.html

Very Shakespearean. Mistaken identities, hidden princes, crazy old crones.....:huh:

It was performed in London with the title, "The Gypsy's Vengeance."

London, Covent Garden, May 17, 1855; in English, as "The Gypsy’s Vengeance,"

http://www.music-with-ease.com/trovatore-synopsis.html

Who might have been unknowingly raised by surrogates and may turn out to be someone else's brother?

Just rambling, so you know :rolleyes:

What if the HBP was kidnapped at birth and is now coming back to magical England? Who would be the rival he would have to challenge? Vodle? Draco? Dumbledore?

I wonder whose arms are entwined in the opera ad? :huh:

Off to search....


While it is true, however, that the story of this opera seems to be a good deal of a mix-up, it is also fact that, under the spur of Verdi’s music, even a person who has not a clear grasp of the plot can sense the dramatic power of many of the scenes. It is an opera of immense verve, of temperament almost unbridled, of genius for the melodramatic so unerring that its composer has taken dance rhythms, like those of mazurka and waltz, and on them developed melodies most passionate in expression and dramatic in effect. Swift, spontaneous, and stirring is the music of "Il Trovatore." Absurdities, complexities, unintelligibilities of story are swept away in its unrelenting progress. "Il Trovatore" is the Verdi of forty working at white heat.


"Ah, music," he said, wiping his eyes. " A magic beyond all we do here! ..."


Leonora enters with Ruiz who points out to her the place of Manrico’s confinement, and retires. That she has conceived a desperate plan to save her lover appears from the fact that she wears a poison ring, a ring with a swift poison concealed under the jewel, so that she can take her own life, if driven thereto. Poisoned ring?!


The line, "O teco almeno, corro a morir" (Or, all else failing, to die with thee), contains the famous high C.
Vodle has a high voice.

Count di Luna?

Unless it has muggle repelling charms, or is unplotable or something. Remember this was a safe house, it may have had more protection than just the ?fedelius? (i know I spelled that wrong) charm.
The Fidelius charm... hm... *Thinking*

I am not sure about this, I'd have to make a research to back up this point, but let's assume it is this way:

The Fidelius Charm is an extremelly powerfull spell that keeps a person, group of persons or a location secret, only known to the Secret Keeper and the persons to who he decides to reveal the secret.

We know that Wormtail was the Secret Keeper of the Potters, and that he slept out the information so Voldemort could find their location.

Voldemort went there, found the house, and killed James and Lily. Alright.

Once Voldemort discovered the house, even if it blew up and all, I think the Fidelius would still keep on being effective, no one would be able to see the ruins or notice anything odd going on there, because they would still be under the Charm.

The lost day. How did Dumbledore and Hagrid know about the location of Godric's Hollow to rescue Harry? Wormtail couldn't have told them about it.

How many people knew about the location of the Potters? How safe was the place really?

Assuming that the image on the cover is, as some of you mentioned, the ruins of Godric's Hollow, how could Harry do to reach it? Pettigrew wouldn't tell him about its location in any way.

Could Dumbledore be allowing Harry to look into the Pensieve of his memories, to let him hear the location of Godric's Hollow by himself, so he could acceed to it?
Will they visit the house of the Potters in the past, and also in the present time?
Could the pensieve belong to James, Lily (seeing life through green eyes, green colour), and be safe underground in Gringotts Bank?

Did the ring belong to Voldemort and it was the only thing left of him after he was disembodied that night? (There could be a lot of symbolism, the S or Snake of Slytherin, broken at half with that curious lightning bolt shape, in essence divided, etc etc)

http://www.oyla4.de/userdaten/04240566/bilder/hbpdeluxe.jpg

As you can see, I circled a "shining thing"!
If we start from the assumption that Harry and Dumbledore are in the forest this could be Hagrids hut, couldnt it?
We know Hagrids hut is near the forbidden forest. And if DD and Harry are in the forest they are still at the "beginning of the forest", because there is still a light shining above them!
So what do you think?

And this broken fence in the foreground could be a part of a bawn!
And the beast which should be in it escaped!

Did the ring belong to Voldemort and it was the only thing left of him after he was disembodied that night? (There could be a lot of symbolism, the S or Snake of Slytherin, broken at half with that curious lightning bolt shape, in essence divided, etc etc)

Wow i think you may be on to something right there. Harry gets the scar on his forehead, and Voldemort's ring gets the same scar. In essence divided. Maybe that ring belonged to Salazar Slytherin and young Tom Riddle found it in the Chamber of Secrets? Was that the way of showing that he was the true heir of slytherin? But most important, why was the scar left on the ring, what power does the ring have? or is it just an ordinary ring? I doubt it, i think it may have some magical abilities. MAybe Harry's scar is his connection to Voldemort, and the ring is Voldemort's connection to harry. MAybe it was the RING what saved Voldemort's life! the curse bounced off Harry leaving him witht he scar, and the Ring absorved the curse, saving Voldemort's life and getting a scar itself, but at the cost of Voldemort losing his body. Does voldemort KNOW that it was the ring that saved his life? REmember how he said he tried different potions and experiments to protect himself from death? well maybe all he needed was Slytherin's ring, that protected him for being his Heir. :eyebrows:

Wow i think you may be on to something right there. Harry gets the scar on his forehead, and Voldemort's ring gets the same scar. In essence divided. Maybe that ring belonged to Salazar Slytherin and young Tom Riddle found it in the Chamber of Secrets? Was that the way of showing that he was the true heir of slytherin? But most important, why was the scar left on the ring, what power does the ring have? or is it just an ordinary ring? I doubt it, i think it may have some magical abilities. MAybe Harry's scar is his connection to Voldemort, and the ring is Voldemort's connection to harry. MAybe it was the RING what saved Voldemort's life! the curse bounced off Harry leaving him witht he scar, and the Ring absorved the curse, saving Voldemort's life and getting a scar itself, but at the cost of Voldemort losing his body. Does voldemort KNOW that it was the ring that saved his life? REmember how he said he tried different potions and experiments to protect himself from death? well maybe all he needed was Slytherin's ring, that protected him for being his Heir. :eyebrows:Thanks for supporting my theory, and great thinking! :tu:
It also struck me the shape of the ring (although as I have mentioned other times, it doesn't match exactly with the scar on the front cover), but the crack definitely has the shape of a lightning bolt.
"And the Dark Lord will mark his as his equal", this was referring to the scar, to the mark Harry would wear, but since Voldemort lost his whole body, the mark wouldn't be able to appear anywhere, but on something that remained, that would be the ring

Thanks for supporting my theory, and great thinking! :tu:
It also struck me the shape of the ring (although as I have mentioned other times, it doesn't match exactly with the scar on the front cover), but the crack definitely has the shape of a lightning bolt.
"And the Dark Lord will mark his as his equal", this was referring to the scar, to the mark Harry would wear, but since Voldemort lost his whole body, the mark wouldn't be able to appear anywhere, but on something that remained, that would be the ring

So then the Scar and the Ring is what marks Harry and Voldemort as Equals. The lightning mark. My question now is: Does Voldy have the ring? If DD and harry are indeed in the ruins of Godric's Hollow, maybe they went there looking for the ring? Will the ring give Voldemort more power? And thats why DD takes Harry to look for it? :huh:

If there's already a topic about this... I'm sorry!!!

I'm new here.

I was reading The Order of The Phoenix today and I found this:

Page 108, british version. Adult cover (I don't know if this changes anything)...

Several times Kreacher sidled into the room and attempted to smuggle things away under his loincloth , muttering horrible curses every time they caught him at it. When Sirius wrested a larg golden ring bearing the Black crest from his grip, Kreacher actually burst into furious tears (...)

AND!!!

"It was my father's," said Sirius, throwing into the sack.
"Kreacher wasn't quite as devoted to him as to my mother".

I guess this ends the question, doesn't it?

The ring used to belong to Sirius's Father... But it could be only a similar Ring... what looks exactly as sirius's father's one does. If it (the one of the cover) belongs to the Hlf-Blood-Prince (remember: the ring must to be something important, because it is at the cover), it would be nice if one the black family is *** half blood prince. After all... been a half-blood in the world in nothing... Nut the black family cares too much about it.
Jo said that we would know why she killed sirius!
And...
I wonder... Why did Mrs. Black hate Sirius so much? Just because he was not that evil? or... is he a out marriage son?

Lots os questions... they saound fool... I know. But no one knows whats comming on! XD

Oz

Hmm...I never put together the two rings. It could make sense, but I don't think the "Why did Mrs. Black hate Sirius so much?" question goes much further. Mrs. Black was all for pure blood. Sirius was for his friends and therefore against it. I think that is pretty much it. Their disagreements led to Sirius moving in with James.

That would make sense!!! I've been wondering about that ring, if that was the Black Family crest then it would make sense that the HBP was a Black...hmm...did JKR say that the HBP was alive? There is a lot we don't know about Sirius...

*floos off to re-read OotP*

Ooo, nice reading! :clap:

I found something that points to the HBP being a Black the other day. When Sirius is showing Harry the family tree, he says the following. "...my parents, with their pure-blood mania, convinced that to be a Black made you practically ROYAL..." (p. 111, American hardcover) Hmmm...sounds like a clue to me! Remember that this could include the Malfoys as possible HBP candidate. Chapter six is called Draco's Detour. I wonder if that has anything to do with him or Lucius being the HBP.

Nice clue-hunting, kementari99! I hadn't picked up on that one! She's just building up on her clues!!

Thanks, QueenLindzi! :)

I never even noticed the ring! Wow, good theory.

yeah good theroy i never thought of that.

It is a good theory and very possible.They have been talking about this in the unfogging the covers thread.

Draco is a purer blood so he can not be the HBP tho. Nither can the Blacks as they are all pure bloods. From the looks of it Dumbledore will be the Half blood prince but maybe Harry will be given that Ring as it may be in Sirius will that Harry gets the Blacks family fortune.

Interesting idea! Here is the thread to post your ideas about the ring:


Unfogging the HBP Cover Art (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=54393)

Edit: Great! Someone had merged the threads. This forum must be run by magic!

The HBP's a new character anyway.

Remember that this could include the Malfoys as possible HBP candidate. Chapter six is called Draco's Detour. I wonder if that has anything to do with him or Lucius being the HBP.

Very interesting. We certainly wouldn't expect something like that.

You know, I always thought that Draco was a (remote) possibility for being the HBP. I remember what JKR said about book 2 originally being titled Half-Blood Prince, and that there was a storyline in book 2 that she decided to remove and put into book 6 instead.

When I first heard that, I started trying to think of what plots in CoS could be important in HBP, and my guess was something to do with purebloods/mudbloods, because that whole thing was first introduced to us in that book. I remember in one chapter Ron said something like "Most wizards these days are half-blood anyway. If we hadn't married Muggles we'd've died out." In the movie version it was Hagrid who said "There isn't a wizard today who isn't half-blood or less." That got me speculating that maybe there really aren't any purebloods left in the world, despite what families like the Malfoys would say. I thought that perhaps the story JKR originally intended for CoS was it being revealed that the Malfoys aren't actually pureblooded at all, and Draco being humiliated somewhat (since he spends most of that book insulting Hermione for being mudblooded and saying purebloods like him are superior). But maybe JKR decided not to include that revelation in CoS, instead thinking it was more suited for the plot of HBP... Meaning that we could find out that Draco is in fact a half-blood, and maybe the half-blood prince as well, whatever this 'prince' is...

But yeah, that's my wild and far-fetched theory for you there :D ;)

Ok, I said I was going to stay out of this HBP specualtion, but...

Draco is a purer blood so he can not be the HBP tho. Nither can the Blacks as they are all pure bloods. From the looks of it Dumbledore will be the Half blood prince but maybe Harry will be given that Ring as it may be in Sirius will that Harry gets the Blacks family fortune.

Has it ever been stated, officially, that 'half blood' means half wizard, half muggle in this instance? Since the Blacks see themselves as wizarding royalty, it stands to reason that someoen half Black (Narcissa) and half Malfoy may be seen, by those who believe the Blacks to be 'royal', as 'half (royal) blooded'.

Hmm...

Has it ever been stated, officially, that 'half blood' means half wizard, half muggle in this instance? Since the Blacks see themselves as wizarding royalty, it stands to reason that someoen half Black (Narcissa) and half Malfoy may be seen, by those who believe the Blacks to be 'royal', as 'half (royal) blooded'.

That's also an interesting possibility :tu:
We really don't know for sure what exactly 'half-blood prince' means in this instance. It could very well be nothing to do with muggles and wizards... it could easily mean that they are 'half-royal'.

I wish JKR had given us more clues on this matter! It's driving me nuts! ;)

I like all this theorizing about how the HBP could be a Malfoy or a Black. I'm thinking maybe someone in either family (most likely the black family) married a muggle like Tonks' mother and then had a kid. My guess is it was a male Black though, so that the family name would be passed on. Only problem is it's stated repeatedly that Sirius was the last of the Blacks. HOWEVER...

Simply put, there is a possibility that he wasn't. I mean technicallyl we already know he wasn't because there's still Tonks. So perhaps he was the last Black to be acknowledged by the family, although they did disown him later. Perhaps though, if another Black married a muggle and was disowned, the rest of the family, not caring what happened to them, simply assumed they had died or something when they really hadn't.

I've been thinking about it in the past hours...
And... Wow... I read such intresting theories in this thread!!! Now I am more lost than ever.
If we had the covers three months ago we could especulate too much more about it. I love this "guessing" part before a book release.

Well... I've been wondering that, maybe, Sirius could be "half-blood" because he's half dog. Just as Remus does! He's not pure-blood because he's a werewolf or was he a half-blood before that? Jk said in a interview that he's not pure-blood... but what does that means? This question is really important... 'cause if remus is not a pure-blood because he's a werewolf... Sirius is note a pure-blood because he's a dog!

Ok... this sounds crazy. I agree. But brainstomming is never a bad thing.

Other things are jumping into my head.

In greek mithology, there's a hidden cave protected by a three heads dog (something sounds known?) in which dead people spirits go to... In this cave, the spirits go to a river, the river of the deads... with misty waters and all that stuff...
So... it is much like the cave with the cave in the cover, isn't it? Even the boat exist in the legend.
Jo showed us that she loves mithology, astronomy... etc... Could that cave be a small reference to the Cave of Hades, the god of death?
And why does dumbledore and harry must get to the hidden cave in such a important way that been showed up at the covers???
Will they try to speak with Sirius Black once more? What is that ring doing in the cover? Is it a connection between the Black family and the thing that looks like a pensieve??? It must to be something.

Well... all thus sounds nuts!!! I agree... but, as I said, this is brainstormming. And I'm brazilian... never had an english class or something. And I can be expressing me in a wrong way! (I learned english watching tv X_X).

Question: If that thing can aloud people to speak with the deads... why don't everyone can use it?
Well... I guess that talking to the deads is something more dangerous than backing on time... How can tay someone's mind after talk to their loved relatives? To "see" the "other world".

But... after thinking is this all... I realised ONE thing.
It can't be a way to the other world... Because nick said to Harry in the 5th book (I think) that he doesn't know where do the other spirits go to!!!
RIGHT???

Wrong. Because Sirius didn't died like everyone alse. He fell beyond a veil. That's all.

Well... I'm confused. I WANT THIS BOOK! AND I WANT IT NOW! (Like Veruca, of the Chocolat Factory).

Jo said firmly that Sirius is dead.
The Black family was so proud of being pure-blood wizards, that it is very unlikely that Sirius was a half-blood one.
Same for the Malefoys.

It is very likely that the HBP will be a new character.

Well... Mr. Crouch used to hate dark arts, didin't he? But that wasn't enough to keep his family out of it.

The same thing can happen to the Blacks.
And... Mrs. Black ia Black just for marriage.
She took her husband surname... So... she's not a born Black at all...
Voldemort hates "mud-bloods"... but he's one...

I think that's possible, Gentle Dobby!!!

And thanks for remind me about Sirius's death!

And I heard in somewhere that there aren't any pure-bloods left in the world at all... And many are least than that... And it was not in forums or theories... I heard it in some trustble source. When I remember where I can say to you!
And if... Blacks hide their half-blooding??? When someone's obvisiously a half-blood in the family, he/she is cutted off of the tapestry imediatly. (or some word like that! I'm sorry!)...

What I mean is... She (JK) has unended possibilities to make of anyone the half-blood prince. She can tell us ANY history.

I would be very pleased if the hpb be a new character!!! I really would. I love new characters!!! I hope you're right...

But I love theories too... soo... let me to be happy! XD

I just have a gut feeling that the HBP is GG. From the cover art (US) it looks as if DD is leading Harry through the forbidden forest, possibly to the pensieve. Could the pensieve have belonged to GG? The quote that came from the book (our only clue) seems to point to GG. Or, maybe the description is of a painting.

My take on the ring is that it looks as if it had split. The image on it looks broken in two. It also looks like the scar on Harry's head. Could it be that the ring is Harry's family crest? Harry has a lot of gold from someone. James did not work, so why did Harry have such a nice inheritance? Probably because he is the heir to GG.

I just have a gut feeling that the HBP is GG.
:lol: When I first read that line I thought that 'GG' was referring to Gregory Goyle. So I thought "Wait a sec...Goyle? Are you serious?"

But then, I read the rest of the post and realized you were talking about Godric Gryffindor. Silly me :rotfl:

Jo said firmly that Sirius is dead.
The Black family was so proud of being pure-blood wizards, that it is very unlikely that Sirius was a half-blood one.
Same for the Malefoys.

It is very likely that the HBP will be a new character.

I agree. I think it will be a new character, but at least someone that we might have heard of, just never seen. Sirius was definately pure-blood, I'm sure JKR said herself, and yeah, he was on that family tree thing and his family was so pure-blood freak-ish that he was definately one. The malfoys are also definately pure-blood. No half-blood can call anyone a mudblood, it doesn't make sense. Except Hitler-Voldemort :p

As for Sirius being dead, sure he might be, but that doesn't mean that Harry can't talk to him at all...There could still be a way...

I'm just not going to believe that Sirius is dead, I don't care if Jo called me herself and told me that he was never going to be seen again, I wouldn't believe her. She never did say that we weren't going to see him again.

Yeah whatever, Sirius isn't gone for good I can tell you that now, and that's my point. :D

Um, folks. This is supposed to be a discussion of the cover art. There are threads about Sirius and who the HBP might be.

Here they are:
HBP (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=52774)

Return of Sirius (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=48090)
Why did Sirius have to die (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=55465)

Did anyone else see the similarity between the clasped hands on the UK cover and the Blood Brothers bond? What if Half-Blood is literal; two people blend their blood and become something more powerful...

I'm not sure how Prince would come in to it though. It just struck me as interesting.

Uh, lots of confusion. There was a merge, right?

Anyway, anyone catch this from a couple of pages back?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/summersky/HP%20sigs%20and%20avs/trouba2.jpg

Still huge. Drat.

I havent seen that Verdi opera....i have seen another of his
that is an interesting parallel!!

Uh, lots of confusion. There was a merge, right?

Anyway, anyone catch this from a couple of pages back?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/summersky/HP%20sigs%20and%20avs/trouba2.jpg

Still huge. Drat.

What is that a picture of? And what does it say...

I've just made a little discovery, that surely has no significance at all, since (I guess, I can't assure 100%) it was not an idea by J.K.Rowling, but by Warner Bros.

Today, when watching the DVD of HP and the Philosopher's Stone one little detail got my attention:
Do you notice the curious resemblance between the crest on the ring and Dudley's hat?

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24664&stc=1

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24900&stc=1

:lol:

Oh, wow! That's almost identical! But- Ogh I REALLY hope the HBP isn't Dudley! *Stares intently at the pictures*


I've been sending my friend the book cover and asking them if they see anything on the wall- more than one have said they can see the word 'halfbook'. Didn't JKR say that 6 and 7 were like two halves of one book?


~Smantie~

Oh, wow! That's almost identical! But- Ogh I REALLY hope the HBP isn't Dudley!
Its not. JK has already said that Dudley is "just Dudley" and has a very small role in HBP.

Has anyone brought up the matter of the "Deluxe Cover" which shows Harry and Albus walking through what appears to be the Forbidden Forest together?

I've just made a little discovery, that surely has no significance at all, since (I guess, I can't assure 100%) it was not an idea by J.K.Rowling, but by Warner Bros.

Today, when watching the DVD of HP and the Philosopher's Stone one little detail got my attention:
Do you notice the curious resemblance between the crest on the ring and Dudley's hat?

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24664&stc=1

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24900&stc=1

:lol:
Ahh! wow I can't believe you caught that! Good job, I commend you. "S" for Smelting's, that would be unexpected wouldn't it. It might not mean anything though. It would mean that the ring would be Dudley's or Vernon's, I can't work out what significance it would have.:shrug:

Is that a different ring design? I saw one that had a lightning-boltish crack down the middle...

the lightning bolt....sounds familiar

yeah...I'd be interested to kno what forest/where they are going on the cover of the delux edition

Is that a different ring design? I saw one that had a lightning-boltish crack down the middle...
They took the ring from the book cover, the one with the crack, and reworked it on the computer to fill in the missing pieces

Well, the only connection I can see between the ring and Dudley's hat would be if Smeltings was really a wizard's school or something, but I doubt that would happen.

Well, the only connection I can see between the ring and Dudley's hat would be if Smeltings was really a wizard's school or something, but I doubt that would happen.
According to JK, there's nothing special or important about Dudley anyway, even if Smeltings is a magic school :lol:

I have two points to make.

First, by nature of describing the prince as “half-blood”, I think this means whom ever the half-blood prince is he is someone working (or worked) against Voldemort or is pretending to do so or at the very least is not working for Voldemort. My reason for believing this is best explained by asking the following question.

Why would anyone use the “half-blood” descriptor?

Jo gives us the answer to that question. In response to one of the FAQ on her web site she says, “The expressions ‘pure-blood’, ‘half-blood’ and ‘Muggle-born’ have been coined by people to whom these distinctions matter, and express their originators’ prejudices.” And since it is clearly Voldemort and his supporters that have these prejudices, the “half-blood” descriptor must have been attached by the Death Eaters. Why would the DE refer to a prince as a “half-blood” prince? To denigrate him. It certainly would not be applied to someone they liked. Voldemort is never referred to as the “half-blood” Lord. In fact, the DE freak-out when Harry reminds (or is it informs) them of Voldemort’s lineage.

So, whom ever this “half-blood” prince is/was, it is likely he is/was a prince to everyone else and merely a “half-blood” prince to the DE. The other possibility (although not as likely in my opinion), is he is actually a DE but is pretending to be against Voldemort. In this case, the DE are using the “half-blood” label as a way to make it appear they don’t like him.


Point two.

Well, I actually have less of a specific point I want to make here. More of an observation.

The UK Adult cover version pictures a book titled "Advanced Potion-Making" by Libatius Borage. This is analyzed in the “Analyzing the HBP Cover Art” post. I found a few interesting things when I researched Borage.

First, it is an herb with bright blue, star-shaped flowers. Maybe this means Borage was in Ravenclaw (the only house with blue as a predominant color.

Once growth is established, it will continue to seed itself. Could Borage had something to do with the protections surrounding Harry at 4 Privet Drive. Does Harry need to return for at least a little each year for now to establish growth and eventually he won’t need to? The power will seed itself?

The leaves can be cooked with cabbage leaves. Jo sure does reference the smell of cabbage a lot, in particular Mrs. Figg’s house smelled of cabagge. Might this imply Borage’s presents/protection?

It is a tonic plant for the adrenal glands and provides an invaluable support for a stressful lifestyle. I think this could support the idea that either Borage or a potion in his book help protect Harry from Voldemort.

An infusion of borage acts as a galactogogue, promoting the production of milk in breastfeeding mothers. Presumably, Harry would have been breastfeeding at the age his parents were killed. So, perhaps this is further indication Borage or one of his potions was part of his mother’s protections.

Jo could draw on a lot of that to describe just who this Libatius Borage is. My guess, a potion within this book was the potion Lily and James used to protect Harry when he was a baby. Could Borage be the HBP?

I’m curious to here your thoughts about this.

well thought i'd say something.

Looks like he is still in Griffindor, according to his sweater.

Dumble is doing the casting, and Harry is doing the blocking. That means they are teaming up on something.


Harry's scar has moved from the top left of his forehead to the middle of the forehead. (Top left in Chamber of Secrets)

Could this symbolize that everything is starting to go around Harry? Because in the chamber of secrets he is working with a lot of people helping him out.

The ring can be a reward,

what about the people swiming in the inside flap of the deluxe.......

I don't think I'vd seen the inside of the the cover yet, people swimming?
Please, where can I find this?

O.k I know its slack But i just cant read all 3o something pages of this thread so if my query has been addressed I am sorry. In regards to the whole cover art that was released for HBP. U know the one with Fire engulfed HArry and Dumbledore on the front, And a boat goin to what i can only assume is a pensive on the back. anyway can anyway else notice sought of writing on the wall just behind and above a bit near the boat? Could just be wishful thinking but I would like your thoughts.

Originally posted by THX_1138
what about the people swiming in the inside flap of the deluxe.......

The only one I have seen is the cover here:

HBP Cover (http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/june10/fullukhbpcover.jpg)

Do you have a link?

the water on the back of the HBP cover that is lit by the light of the boat sort of remindes me of the river of souls from Disney's Hercules. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Totally insignificant, but it struck me for a moment.

I was sleepinng last night, and suddenly I woke up with an inspired inspiration:

"What if the Penseive was used to play dominos and the last domino was...."

And then I fell asleep again. However, this morning, while trying to remember it, I thought up something else, which is more likely to happen:

What if the Penseive is Moody's, and Harry uses it to train for Auroring? He could see how it really happens, and pick up some tips. I also think Dumbledore will tech Harry Potions.

Eh?

yes the disney hercules I totally understand. More to do with Mythology eh?

I was sleepinng last night, and suddenly I woke up with an inspired inspiration:

"What if the Penseive was used to play dominos and the last domino was...."

And then I fell asleep again. However, this morning, while trying to remember it, I thought up something else, which is more likely to happen:

What if the Penseive is Moody's, and Harry uses it to train for Auroring? He could see how it really happens, and pick up some tips. I also think Dumbledore will tech Harry Potions.

Eh?

Haha I like the dreamtime dominos idea. It's great how late at night even the most crazy ideas seem to make perfect sense to you, and then you wake up and think, what the heck was that all about?...
Anyways, the Moody penseive theory is totally possible. It makes sense. 24 days until we know the truth!! YEAH! :)

Yes. It all seemed so good at the time... but the moody one... maybe we'll find out where his other normal eye is....

Yes, the artist did the same for GoF and OoP. the artists don't pay attention to details like that.

yes the disney hercules I totally understand. More to do with Mythology eh?

Ah, someone who understood :) I tried to get a picture of it, but I can't find one. I'm sure the water we see here in the HBP cover isn't a river of the dead/lost souls so..... hmm.

Okay, I see what you mean, but I don't make the connection.

yes the disney hercules I totally understand. More to do with Mythology eh?Hi, you have three images in your signature and you are only allowed one. If the staff sees it, they will give you a warning point for it.

Cross your fingers, folks, that these links work and show you what I found. I was watching CoS on Sunday night, and when I saw the scene in Snape's office, when Harry and Ron are being chewed out for arriving by car...on Rickman's right, on the desk, is what very much looks like the Advanced Potions from the adult UK cover. The link was provided courtesy of silver ink pot, who can find anything on the planet and found a still from the movie on Veritaserum.com. If the link doesn't work, try going over to the Development of Snape's Character Through OotP Thread in History of Magic, where you'll see silver ink pot's original posting of the still.

http://www.veritaserum.com/galleries/displayimage.php?album=2&pos=178

And--if none of this works properly and someone here knows how to do it right, please feel free to do so!!! : )

Subtle: The links seem to work, but let's see that picture, LOL! :clap:

You Rock! I think Subtle has scooped everyone on this story! I sent it in to Mugglenet and I hope they give her credit for being the HP Sleuth of the year!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/snapepotionsHBPcoverbook.jpg

Wow, incredible catch... you have my respect. Give it back before I call the cops! <hangs head>

Anyway, I bet JKR did that! Oh, someone should ask!

It's not the same book. It's similar, but if you look at the pattern of the book binding, the one in the movie is scalloped and the one from the HBP cover is not. Also, the HBP book cover has damage near the top on the front and the one in the movie doesn't.

I think all you are seeing is the similarity of two very old books. That doesn't rule out the possibility that it is Snape's book, but it doesn't confirm it either. It could just as easily be someone else's old book.

It could be the same book, but another copy. It's the same style, color, and approximate age.

It could be the same book, but another copy. It's the same style, color, and approximate age.
Many old books look just that with that brown color. There is nothing about it that makes it special. In fact the bindings are different.

Yep, but we're an optemistic bunch. Actually, I'm not (read my sig), but I like optemists... they're cuddley!

Yep, but we're an optemistic bunch. Actually, I'm not (read my sig), but I like optemists... they're cuddley!
People get all excited about non-events. It's not the same book. It doesn't tell us anything new.

I have a thought about the book... (the one on the cover). What if the HBP teaches Potions, because finally Snape teaches DADA... we'd find out why he hasn't before!

I have a thought about the book... (the one on the cover). What if the HBP teaches Potions, because finally Snape teaches DADA... we'd find out why he hasn't before!I've suspected that's what might happen.

I have a thought about the book... (the one on the cover). What if the HBP teaches Potions, because finally Snape teaches DADA... we'd find out why he hasn't before!
We know why he hasn't. JK said that Dumbledore feels the job would "bring out the worst in Snape." He stuck him in Potions instead.

I personally really want to know why Snape is stuck wth Potions. Dumbledore allowed Umbridge over Snape. The woman's a toad. I further think Dumbledore will get more screentime. What do people think Harry'll get on his Potion OWL?

JK said that Dumbledore feels the job would "bring out the worst in Snape." He stuck him in Potions instead.

Okay, I meant a little more specifically.

Okay, I meant a little more specifically.


Perhaps you can find some ideas on this thread:

Why doesn't Dumbledore let Snape teach DADA? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=42824)

Okay, I meant a little more specifically.
Sorry, that's as specific as JK got.

It's not the same book. It's similar, but if you look at the pattern of the book binding, the one in the movie is scalloped and the one from the HBP cover is not. Also, the HBP book cover has damage near the top on the front and the one in the movie doesn't.

I think all you are seeing is the similarity of two very old books. That doesn't rule out the possibility that it is Snape's book, but it doesn't confirm it either. It could just as easily be someone elses's old book.

It looks enough like it to me. It's on Snape's desk and it's a potions book, right? I don't believe that is a huge coincidence. JKR said they had "trouble getting everything in" to the CoS movie. In the scene in the movie, that book looks as though it is specially lit from above so it will show up. I'm not saying it is the exact copy that was photographed for the cover, but it could be.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/SnapePotionsBooks.jpg

I think it is cover side down in the movie picture, so of course it doesn't have the same stain.

If you don't want to get excited about it, you don't have to, of course. :evil: It's a free country. But you don't know whether it is meant to be the same book or not, so I'm just stating my opinion that it is meant to be. :tu:

I have a thought about the book... (the one on the cover). What if the HBP teaches Potions, because finally Snape teaches DADA... we'd find out why he hasn't before!


Maybe Snape's fired all together. I mean, if parents were worried about Hagrid teaching their kids, what would happen if they found out he was a former Death Eater?

But on the other hand, some of them probably know. He was with Dumbledore at the trials in pensieve.

You have a point though. Maybe the HBP, or someone else for that matter, gives Harry private potions lessons because he'll need the NEWT's to become an Auror.

Sometimes I wonder how come so many people ask themselves why Snape didnt get the job. In my opinion its not only clear for what Jo said, but honestly, have you EVER seen a better potions master than Snape? Think about it from the headmaster's point of view: "this teacher is the one of the BEST potion masters and if he teaches DADA the worse part of him will be brought up" Gee. i wonder what should i pick for him to teach...¿?

Anyway, i think we can safely assume Harry passed his OWL in potions because of the book in the cover, and because it was said in OOTP that he did well, because Snape wasn't around.

2. A few things in the Bottom right hand corner look like Medieval Weapons.
3. Harry looks shocked and in despair, staring at where the weapons and wand fire are coming from.

http://www.mikimetropolis.com/fullukhbpcover (2).jpg
I know this is from a while ago but i wanted to say this. I really think that the thing in the bottom right hand corner is DD robes...

I was thinking today about the prophecy. It says Harry would have to "vanquish" the Dark Lord...A lot of people's theories are about him physically being vanquished my theory is this...the power of which LV doesn't understand and knows not of is LOVE...in some bizzare twist maybe LV learns the magic and power of love. In HBP we are to learn of the birth of LV and its cirrcumstances. He never had love in him. Maybe Harry or someother way he will learn love and the once evil man that was Lord Voldemort would then be "vanqhished"....THOUGHTS????!!

You're posting this question on multiple threads and none of them have anything to do with the prophecy.

Here is the prophecy thread. Prophecy (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=52623)

Here's another screenshot that shows the book on Snape's desk in Chamber of Secrets much better! It has a discoloration just like the one on HBP cover, and a gold corner on the bottom right.

To me, this picture is definitely the book on the HBP cover. Not that I'm excited or anything, LOL. :p

This is from a website called TheMinistryofMagic.org:

http://www.theministryofmagic.org.uk/gallerys/one/images/SnapeOffice2.jpg

Here are the other two to compare:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/SnapePotionsBooks.jpg

The gold corner could definitely be the worn corner of the HBP cover. It looks gold because of the angle and the lighting. The rest of the damage matches up quite nicely.

silver ink pot--you are amazing. Nobody hunts like you do!

I think that its just to similar to be a coincidence... u r really on to something!
can anyone else notice soughts writing on the wall behind and a bit above the boat on the HBP cover? or am i just going crazy looking for SOMETHING to theorize about?

Here's another screenshot that shows the book on Snape's desk in Chamber of Secrets much better! It has a discoloration just like the one on HBP cover, and a gold corner on the bottom right.

To me, this picture is definitely the book on the HBP cover. Not that I'm excited or anything, LOL. :p

This is from a website called TheMinistryofMagic.org:

http://www.theministryofmagic.org.uk/gallerys/one/images/SnapeOffice2.jpg

Here are the other two to compare:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/SnapePotionsBooks.jpgThey look really different. The only one that matches up partially is probably a trick of the glaring light. But just look there is no tear on the top of the book in the other picture. And the binding along the left side looks different. Where is the large tear at the top? They're different books. Also the pages are loose in the HBP book cover and they aren't loose in the one from the movie.

I am not saying that it is the exact same book but a different copy of the book. U cant expect everycopy of the book to look the same

I am not saying that it is the exact same book but a different copy of the book. U cant expect everycopy of the book to look the same
It could be any older book. They refer to a lot of old books in the Hogwarts library.

It's on the Potions Master's desk. It's plainly lit by a lamp on purpose. Everything had to be put there on purpose. In the new picture, the book is even at the exact same angle as the book on the HBP cover.

Coincidence... I dont think so!

It's on the Potions Master's desk. It's plainly lit by a lamp on purpose. Everything had to be put there on purpose. In the new picture, the book is even at the exact same angle as the book on the HBP cover.They're different books, it's different wood in the desk. The pages are loose in the HBP book, but not in the movie book. It's just an old book; not the same old book.

I say they arent the same book just different copies of advanced potion making.

I say they arent the same book just different copies of advanced potion making.
I don't think we actually do know exactly what book was on Snape's desk. Odds are it's a Potions Book, but we can't even know if it is an Advanced Potions book. Besides, I'm taking issue with people who do think it's the same exact same book, not a different issue of the same book. It's clearly not the exact same book.

And we can't know exactly what book is on Snape's desk since we can't read the title.

Very true. I also believe that it is not the exact same book but i believe it is very possible that it is a different copy of advanced potion making. I have asked this may a times, and NO ONE answers, so I will ask again... even tho it has bnothing to do with advance potion makeing.... On the full cover of the half blood prince can anone else see some writing like stuff on the wall behind the boat?

I can see that too. It looks like a fence, trees or writing, but its hard to tell.

Very true. I also believe that it is not the exact same book but i believe it is very possible that it is a different copy of advanced potion making. I have asked this may a times, and NO ONE answers, so I will ask again... even tho it has bnothing to do with advance potion makeing.... On the full cover of the half blood prince can anone else see some writing like stuff on the wall behind the boat?
Maybe maybe not. It could just be a trick of the eye. I think people are working so hard to see hidden mysteries they are seeing things that might not be there. There are some curvy regions on the wall, but when I look at unenhanced versions of the picture, I can't make anything out.

I have no clue how to enhance it but i shall look agen at the picture to see if I can make anything out...

I think it's the same book. It's the same colour, and it looks battered in the same way.

I have no clue how to enhance it but i shall look agen at the picture to see if I can make anything out...
Enhanced versions have someone darkening regions in order to make words appear. Those are very suspect since it is an entirely subjective process. It could be writing, but it could just be a trick of the eye. I can't tell. I can almost make out an S, but the rest is unintelligible and there don't seem to be any words that fit.

It looks as tho it says ..... only.... cant make out the first part... does anyone know how to enlarge things?

It looks as tho it says ..... only.... cant make out the first part... does anyone know how to enlarge things?
Yeah, but it's too hard to explain here.

I meant enlarge when I sed enhance sorry for the mix up

could anyone being the kind person they are enlarge it for me? I am computor illiterate and I sometimes wonder at how I can use the internet, let alone Forums.... PLEASE! i will be forever greatful!

silver_ink_pot: I think its the book! By George i think you've got it! *sinks head in shame by the bad saying* They are way to similar in the way they look to be a different book all together. And the book could have gotten more worn over the past...i dunno...4 years! Yeah...i agree...i like to think its the book...JK is quite sneaky!

silver_ink_pot: I think its the book! By George i think you've got it! *sinks head in shame by the bad saying* They are way to similar in the way they look to be a different book all together. And the book could have gotten more worn over the past...i dunno...4 years! Yeah...i agree...i like to think its the book...JK is quite sneaky!
It's not the same book. The pages are loose in one, and they aren't in the other. The cover is torn in one and it isn't in the other. They don't look alike and coming up with the explanation that four years made the difference is not convincing. JKR didn't tell the publisher what to put on the cover of the adult HBP book since the publisher makes that decision. She has said that they don't consult her about those things. And frankly I object to the idea that JKR is sneaky. She isn't.

As I have stated Before I believe that It is not the same book simply another copy of Advanced Potion making.... Anyone out there at all who is willing to enlarge the cover for me.... or at least tell me how to do it???

As I have stated Before I believe that It is not the same book simply another copy of Advanced Potion making.... Anyone out there at all who is willing to enlarge the cover for me.... or at least tell me how to do it???Here is it blown up as large as Bloomsbury intended it to get. Anything else needs to be done in Photoshop or some other picture editor. You will lose clarity.

Book cover (http://www.bloomsbury.com/media/hbp_large.jpg)

EDIT: Move your cursor to the lower right hand corner of the picture and hold it there for a minute, then a little box with arrows will appear. Click on that and the picture will expand further.

Thankyou! I am presently trying to get it bigger. As I dont have photoshop it is very makeshift and the only way that is working now is powerepoint. I am definalty convinced there is words behind and a bit up from the boat. and I sought of leaning towards the words saying something then only... can anyone else see them or even have a guess at what the words are... come on Humour me!

It's not the same book. The pages are loose in one, and they aren't in the other.

But it has been four years in between, it could have gotten more worn in the mean time.

I don't think it's physically the same book, that has been saved from the film shot and then photographed for the cover art. But I think it's meant to be the same book. It's like James Bond is still James Bond even if he's played by a new actor.

I think Advanced Potion Making is somehow important for the plot in HBP. If it is, JKR would have knwon about it already when CoS was filmed. So when they made Snape's desk, they tossed it in there. Then, when the cover designers were to design a cover for HBP, they had to know something about the contents to make a suitable cover. Let's say JKR told them Advanced Potion Making would be important, or let them read sections of the book where Advanced Potion Making featured. So they decided to try some photographs of the book. Either they hadn't saved it from the filming, so they had to make a new one for the photos, or else they got hold of the one from the filming, but the artist said "I think it would look better if it was a wee bit more torn at the top, and with a few loose pages". It's still Advanced Potion Making, the tiny differences are just due to artistic freedom, or else that it's not physically the same book as in the film.

I can't see anything of what you are saying. I guess maybe I'm watching the wrong cover.

But it has been four years in between, it could have gotten more worn in the mean time.

I don't think it's physically the same book, that has been saved from the film shot and then photographed for the cover art. But I think it's meant to be the same book. It's like James Bond is still James Bond even if he's played by a new actor.

I think Advanced Potion Making is somehow important for the plot in HBP. If it is, JKR would have knwon about it already when CoS was filmed. So when they made Snape's desk, they tossed it in there. Then, when the cover designers were to design a cover for HBP, they had to know something about the contents to make a suitable cover. Let's say JKR told them Advanced Potion Making would be important, or let them read sections of the book where Advanced Potion Making featured. So they decided to try some photographs of the book. Either they hadn't saved it from the filming, so they had to make a new one for the photos, or else they got hold of the one from the filming, but the artist said "I think it would look better if it was a wee bit more torn at the top, and with a few loose pages". It's still Advanced Potion Making, the tiny differences are just due to artistic freedom, or else that it's not physically the same book as in the film.The book on Snape's desk is, no doubt, a potions book. However, I wouldn't be all that surprised to see a potions book on his desk. We don't know, however, if it is a book on advanced potions since we can't see the title in the movie. And we can't know that the book on depicted on the HBP cover belongs to Snape. All we do know is that there is a book on advanced potions on the HBP cover.

I'm just trying to keep us focused on what we truly know.

you know you may be on to something. I just assumed that the cover was to let us know Harry would be taking advanced potions. But why would they make it the cover if it wasnt very important. Other adult covers have been things Like the Goblet of fire and what not. So maybe potions will be featured as more then just a class?

I'm just trying to keep us focused on what we truly know.
:) That's alright, CBW.

I would love to be able to keep focus on what we know but i cant, no matter how hard I try the old immagination gets the bet of me gosh darn it!

Here's another screenshot that shows the book on Snape's desk in Chamber of Secrets much better! It has a discoloration just like the one on HBP cover, and a gold corner on the bottom right.

To me, this picture is definitely the book on the HBP cover. Not that I'm excited or anything, LOL. :p

This is from a website called TheMinistryofMagic.org:

http://www.theministryofmagic.org.uk/gallerys/one/images/SnapeOffice2.jpg

Here are the other two to compare:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/SnapePotionsBooks.jpgGreat catch! :wow:
Those books really do look very simillar, I wonder if the artist had access to the film book, or if he got inspiration from it.

I've found a larger version (http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24936&stc=1) of that shot with Ron, Harry and Snape while searching my HD for pics

you know you may be on to something. I just assumed that the cover was to let us know Harry would be taking advanced potions. But why would they make it the cover if it wasnt very important. Other adult covers have been things Like the Goblet of fire and what not. So maybe potions will be featured as more then just a class?

Good point there! :tu:

To me, this picture is definitely the book on the HBP cover. Not that I'm excited or anything, LOL. :p
Of course not. Do you really think it's the same prop, though? The gold along the left edge is very even on on one and ragged on the other. It appears to be the same title, but not the same copy.

This is from a website called TheMinistryofMagic.org:

http://www.theministryofmagic.org.uk/gallerys/one/images/SnapeOffice2.jpg

Here are the other two to compare:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/SnapePotionsBooks.jpg

I don't think they're the same prop at all. The book on Snape's desk almost looks as though there might be a faded illustration of it. Either way, there's no faded area with the title and author written.

It looks as thought they are both potions books, but I doubt they are the same copy or prop.

Great catch!
Those books really do look very simillar, I wonder if the artist had access to the film book, or if he got inspiration from it.

I've found a larger version of that shot with Ron, Harry and Snape while searching my HD for pics
That's a great shot, Harry Potter! I definitely think the book is something that had to be there. Here is the quote from Stephen Kloves from the interview he and JKR did for the CoS DVD:

Mzimba, Lizo, moderator. Interview with Steve Kloves and J.K. Rowling, February 2003.
http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2003/0302-newsround-mzimba.htm

Lizo: There are so many rich details in the books. Can you tell us how you decide what goes in and what stays out?

Steve: I will sometimes ask Jo. I will say, you know, this detail, you just seem to have cast just a bit more light on this in this scene than the other details. Sometimes I'm wrong, but often she'll say "No, that is going to play." There's one thing in Chamber, actually, that Jo indicated will play later in the series.

That remark about "casting more light" when the book has a lamp shining down on it, just seems like a clue to me!

That goes along with what Norbertha wrote:

I think Advanced Potion Making is somehow important for the plot in HBP. If it is, JKR would have knwon about it already when CoS was filmed. So when they made Snape's desk, they tossed it in there. Then, when the cover designers were to design a cover for HBP, they had to know something about the contents to make a suitable cover. Let's say JKR told them Advanced Potion Making would be important, or let them read sections of the book where Advanced Potion Making featured. So they decided to try some photographs of the book. Either they hadn't saved it from the filming, so they had to make a new one for the photos, or else they got hold of the one from the filming, but the artist said "I think it would look better if it was a wee bit more torn at the top, and with a few loose pages". It's still Advanced Potion Making, the tiny differences are just due to artistic freedom, or else that it's not physically the same book as in the film.

Right it's a version of the same book, or the same book altered to look more artistic or antique. And I liked your other point that the two books are like the different actors who have played James Bond. :rotfl: The book on the cover is Sean Connery and the book on Snape's desk is Pierce Brosnan. :p

And speaking of spies, since we know Snape is a spy, couldn't the book be the key to some sort of code or something? I've read spy novels and some mysteries in which a character will make a code out of a poem he knows really well. Snape has all those "recipes" in his head. Many people have commented that his first speech in Book One is like a poem ("Bottle Fame, Brew Glory, etc . . . ) In the movie "The Longest Day," the French Resistance gets instructions from radio messages disguised as poetry readings. Maybe the book is important to the Order in some way that has nothing to do with potions? Just speculating. . .

Off-Topic Entirely: Now I'm starting to wonder about that crossword puzzle, too, since it is so prominent and well-lit, lol. JKR made a joke about "Snape's Pocket Crosswords," and didn't Sirius Black tell Fudge that he "missed the crosswords"? :huh:

So, why are we excited that Snape has a potions book on his desk? The book directly in front of Harry appears to another one.

So, why are we excited that Snape has a potions book on his desk?
Because it might be as much of a key like the lecturn was, sarcasm aside, it might be the same book, they have the same sort of spine, but somehow I think it might be a coincidnece, you guys are really observant though. I'll think about it though... *ponders*

Thankyou! I am presently trying to get it bigger. As I dont have photoshop it is very makeshift and the only way that is working now is powerepoint. I am definalty convinced there is words behind and a bit up from the boat. and I sought of leaning towards the words saying something then only... can anyone else see them or even have a guess at what the words are... come on Humour me!I've enlarged the book and played with the contrast. There doesn't appear to be any lettering on it at all.

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24941&stc=1

The colours do indeed look similar, there is the the same colour spine, but do I spy gold corners? it seems to be shiny, the potions book (on the book cover) just has tan coloured corners not gold. Though you may all disagree with me.

Even if it is the same book, what does it tell us? I checked the scene in CoS and there is no mention of any books on Snape's desk, even though Harry and Ron eat dinner at that desk. I did not, however, go through the entire book to see if the reference was just moved. The connections we are looking for are those between Book 2 and Book 6, not Movie 2 and Book 6.

Oh wow, the books do, indeed, look identical. They can't be the same one though- how would they have known in the film what would be involved with book 6. :shrug:.

both potion books do look the same, mabe jk knew that the book would be relevent in book 6 and asked the film makers to include it in the cos film?

I don't know if it is discussed yet but somebody in a german forum had a fabolous interpretation of the back cover of book 6 i do want to tell you. I think it matches perfectly!

The back cover of the HPB shows us a lake with a boot and a pensieve, all held in green....

As we all know that JKR often mentions important facts very short, i think she has done it again...

In book 1 she writes:

... they plunged even deeper, passing an underground LAKE...

Little later when the Potter's vault is opened she tells us:

A lot of green smoke came blowing out...

JKR also told us in book 1 that harry tried to remember the way down to his vault, but couldn't.....

" Harry tried to remember, left, right, right, left, middle fork, right, left, but it was impossible:"

Nobody knows the way down besides the Goblins AND Dumbledore!!!!
Dumbledore does have a map of the London underground on his leg, but not the Tube Plan of London.... It is the Plan of the Gringott's Underground... Why would Dumbledore need a plan of the Tube??? It would be senseless....

"... which is a perfect map of the London Underground..."

But what do they want there? Maybe the mystery of the HPB lies there. Maybe the solvation of the mystery lies in one of the vaults. And if you open one of the vaults green smoke comes blowing out, like it happened when harry's vault was opened.

JKR told us that the high security vaults are protected by dragons. It is also mentioned in book 1 that Harry watches out for dragons...

" Once, he thought he saw a burst of fire at the end of a passage and twisted around to see if it was a dragon, but too late ...."

On the front cover Dumbledore and Harry fight obviously against somebody or something.... maybe a dragon????

I think the person who discovered this, is quite close to the art shown on the cover of book 6! What do you think???

I think Dumbledore and Harry try to get to one of the vault's (I think it is likely that you only can get to this vault via the lake), where something is protected they need...... Maybe the pensieve on the back cover is Voldemort's....

After all, I think it is a brilliant explanation

So, why are we excited that Snape has a potions book on his desk?Because it is exciting! :lol: The book directly in front of Harry appears to another one.Yes, and not... they are not exactly the same, and even if they were the same book it wouldn't give out too much, but... who knows? :evil:

Anyway it is really fun to try to find out little clues, even if they will lead nowhere (like my Smeltings hat / Ring one :rotfl: )

The trouble is that there's so much we don't know yet 'cause JK Rowling hasn't revealed it. I know a couple of things about all that, that you don't and I'm not telling...

Source = HPANA (http://www.hpana.com/news.17713.26.html)
:eyebrows:

I'm wondering about the ring on the spine of the cover. And that's just about it. I sit wondering with nothing in my head about what it could mean!

Thats what puzzled me i was trying to think who the ring could belong to as it has a faint shape of a lightning bolt on it if you look closely :S:S:S hmmm...

I'm excited to see that Harry & Dumbledore will be having more contact with each other in this book! It seems that Albus will be teaching Harry Occlumency himself....

Hang on! Why is there a tatty old book on the front cover of the Adult uk version? What does that mean? It says ADVANCED POTION MAKING on it ?? Hmmm? If someone's already mentuioned this i apologise i'm not even halfway through the entire thread yet :S

Even if it is the same book, what does it tell us? I checked the scene in CoS and there is no mention of any books on Snape's desk, even though Harry and Ron eat dinner at that desk. I did not, however, go through the entire book to see if the reference was just moved. The connections we are looking for are those between Book 2 and Book 6, not Movie 2 and Book 6.
Yes, but look at it this way:

We have found a connection between the "known" cover of Book 6, and the "past" movie about Book 2. We weren't looking for it, but it jumped out to my friend Subtle Science when she watched the movie the other night. That is how this all started.

Then I found a picture online in which the book seems to have been expertly lit by the light of a lamp in the scene. The book has more light on it than the actors.

Then I found a quote from Stephen Cloves, the screenwriter, about "shedding more light" on certain objects.

That's alot of evidence. And we know that JKR has told them things about each part of the castle and about the way things should look.

Thanks for the quote from Alan Rickman, Harry Potter!:)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Rickman
The trouble is that there's so much we don't know yet 'cause JK Rowling hasn't revealed it. I know a couple of things about all that, that you don't and I'm not telling...

Source = HPANA

So, why are we excited that Snape has a potions book on his desk? :rotfl: We have found a connection between the "known" cover of Book 6, and the "past" movie about Book 2.

Then I found a picture online in which the book seems to have been expertly lit by the light of a lamp in the scene. The book has more light on it than the actors.

Then I found a quote from Stephen Cloves, the screenwriter, about "shedding more light" on certain objects.

That's alot of evidence. And we know that JKR has told them things about each part of the castle and about the way things should look.I am excited too.
But: Stephen Cloves has no influence whatsoever on objects lying on desks or illumination. If anyone would overlook all these details it´s the director.
Most of the time items are lit a certain way in movies for purely optic reasons. Now in the Harry Potter movies I have the feeling there is hardly any motivation than "looking good" at all.
I am absolutely sure that Cloves has no idea about that book.

What I could imagine is the cover artist of the adult edition trying to recreate that very book or at least taking it as inspiration and that is pretty exciting.

Maybe there was originally a subplot about the book in which Hermione found the recipe for the polyjuice potion in CoS, which is now in HBP. Maybe the book is magical too? No. Two books that are thinking for themselves in one book, Riddle´s diary and Grindewald´s/Gryffindor´s/Slytherin´s potions book. No.

Maybe all this forshadows Snape being potions master in book 6.
Who knows?

Folks, most old books are brown because the covers were made out of leather. Most old books were somewhat on the largish side because setting up type was so laborious they preferred larger pages so they wouldn't have to set it up as frequently per page. There are a lot of old books at Hogwarts. One would expect to see books on the desk of any teacher. The one on the desk doesn't even have the words Advanced Potions on it.

All you are looking at are two old books. I doubt that there was an intention to make them the same old books. And if there had been they would have looked a lot more alike than they do.

Maybe all this forshadows Snape being potions master in book 6.
Who knows? http://e.deviantart.com/emoticons/r/rofl.gif

I think you're probably right about the cover artist using the movie prop for inspiration. I'm actually more interested in the images in the woodgrain of that cover. There's interesting yet probably meaningless, stuff in there.

Also, the poster for "The Troubadour" with the two arms surrounded by fire, just like on the Bloomsbury cover sent me off to get a synopsis of the opera. It's about a younger prince kidnapped and raised by a gypsy who returns to his home years later as a minstrel. No one knows who he is but his surrogate mother. He gets on the wrong side of the local prince, (his older brother) and ends up dead. That's when the gypsy yells to the Prince, "he was your brother!"

Right, so ......

Anyone lose a baby brother?

If you look on the UK Children's Edition cover, Harry has a bright triangle surrounding his scar. Could this mean something?

Hmmmm.... You're right. It looks like a mirror image of the ring.

If you look on the UK Children's Edition cover, Harry has a bright triangle surrounding his scar. Could this mean something?
I think that's just the light shinning on his skin. They are surrounded by bright flames, after all.

Personally I think the book in the CoS movie and its similarities to the UK adult cover book are just another unhappy coincidence like, Mark Evans, that keeps people on Harry Potter boards talking for weeks.

In the 39 pages of this forum someone has probably said this already, but oh well. The "basin" that appears on the American Cover and on the Back of the British Childrens edition can't be a pensive. Pensive's produce silver light. Harry sees Silver light when he has both pensive experiences. Heres What I think. JK says that CoS is Very important to the plot. I see Green Light and Vapor all around a very old Bowl on top of a pillar. The combination of a potion, slytherin green, and some very old stuff just screams Chamber of Secrets. Not the Book, The actual Chamber of secrets.
Whatever.

I wonder if title 'Half-blood prince' is not referring to a person, what if it is a name of some potion or something like that? Is it possible?

I wonder if title 'Half-blood prince' is not referring to a person, what if it is a name of some potion or something like that? Is it possible?

I think that it's definately possible but unlikely. "Half-Blood" tends to refer to wizards, for example Seamus Finnigan (Every one seems to think it's him just bacause he's the only wizard we know is half-blood but I don't think that's true). Plus "prince" normally means it's a person. I suppose it could be a centaur or some other creature.

As for the bowl, it could be a pensieve (every one thinks it is) but I don't think it is. It's probably something completely new or something that we may have seen (or read) in a passing glimps but not really noticed.

If you look at the cover of, I think it's the Brittish children's version, then you see Dumbledore protecting Harry so he must have a much more active role like at the end of OotP. They will most definately come up against Voldemort (yet again I do not fear the name of my father!) together I think. That would be why DD is protecting Harry.

I believe the flames on the cover have something to do with Fawkes. He has had a much larger role over the last few books so I think that he will, yet again, help Harry and or DD.

When I was reading Chamber of Secrets, Harry always seemed to take notice of large moldy books that Madam Pince was holding or something. One of them could be the Advanced Potions book, and that could mean that he would take it out of the Restricted Section...just to say something on that...

So maybe he does take it out of the Restricted Section as we thought, and is most likely taking Advanced Potions..:D
That was exactly what everyone has been saying for the past two months, but okay..

I'm starting to think that the half blood prince might not actually be a person. I'm thinking that it might be what the ring on the spine of the british edition is.

Items of great power are usually given names, and the ring might have been used in the past to save half-bloods, hence the name "The Half Blood Prince". Dumbledore probably takes Harry to the pensive to show him what happened in the past. Harry might be the person who gets to use the ring, and the lightning bolt on the ring might indicate who the rings bearer will be and Dumbledore knows that!
If you agree with me then tell me soon so that I can start a thread on this, And please don't claim this theory as your own.

I did not see anything in that original posters ideas.

Obiviously it seems they will be using some kind of old potion. Maybe one that was forgotten about? Do you think it would be for DD or Harry's use?

hmmm...i find this thread interesting. So many different ideas and theories that are really good, i don't know what i really think anymore. I've written things down drawn flow charts and diagrams and still can't decide what i believe may be the closest to the truth:) Im having fun though:D:D

I'm starting to think that the half blood prince might not actually be a person. I'm thinking that it might be what the ring on the spine of the british edition is.

Items of great power are usually given names, and the ring might have been used in the past to save half-bloods, hence the name "The Half Blood Prince". Dumbledore probably takes Harry to the pensive to show him what happened in the past. Harry might be the person who gets to use the ring, and the lightning bolt on the ring might indicate who the rings bearer will be and Dumbledore knows that!
If you agree with me then tell me soon so that I can start a thread on this, And please don't claim this theory as your own.


Yah but i thought that jk (or someone) read an excert from the book and it describe the half blood prince as a person...(something to do with a old lion look ???)
Edit: Found it... "the door on JKR's site opened giving us the following excerpt of book 6, which describes the Half-Blood Prince:

(He) looked rather like an old lion. There were streaks of grey in his mane of tawny hair and his bushy eyebrows; he had keen yellowish eyes behind a pair of wire-rimmed spectacles and a certain rangy, loping grace even though he walked with a slight limp." -???


Also maybe the potions book on the table is a hint that could be connected with the basin, bowl, whatever ...maybe dumbledore and harry are concocting some sort of powerful potion.

(i know weve thought that it was some sort of Pensieve...)

OK most likely someone else has mentioned this previously because I haven't read every single post here as I only visit this thread occasionally but here's something I found while re-reading OotP today.


"...Dumbledore had drawn back his wand and waved it as though brandishing a wip. A long thine flame flew from the tip; it wrapped itselff around Voldemort, shield and all."

Now the cover of the British edition of HBP shows Dumbledore and Harry surrounded by a thread of flame. Interesting...

This once more leads me to believe that the flame on the cover is coming from Dumbledore's wand and he's casting a spell. Also the flame seems to be fitting because note only is it associated with phoenix's (Fawkes) the colours (red and gold) are associated with Gryffindor House.

Wow, I totally forgot about that. That makes goes along with a lot of peoples theories about how it is a spell DD is casting to protect the two of them.

If you want to talk about who the HBP is, then here is the link for that thread...

Harry Potter and the Haf-Blood Prince Discussion (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=52774)

In that interview from Mugglenet (http://www.mugglenet.com/) and The Leaky Cauldron (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/), at the end, the guy said "...and the Half-Blood Prince is..." He was the editor person, so he already read the book. It would have to be a person, because of the way he put it. Also because of the translations, a prince usually isn't a potion or anything else other htan a person.

Here is the interview, about half way down the page if it doesn't automatically bring you there. ;)

Interview transcript and interview. (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/MTarchives/week_2005_06_12.php#007136)

I just noticed that Harry isn't in his school robes. So maybe this journey isn't duringt he school year. Also Dumbledore looks alot older now.

Note: I'm reffering to the Deluxe Edition.

Yeah I noticed that a while back. It looked to me like he was him his PJ's, so I thought that it maybe was at night. Maybe it is an emergency and they had to leave immediately. Or maybe it was during the night and Harry and Dumbledore are looking in the Pensieve and went in to see something at Godric's Hollow, because it looks like a deserted house with weeds and junk growing all around the fence.

Yeah that's my theory for now. Estimated changing time: 2 minutes

I just checked the two covers, and it looks like he is wearing the same thing in both the Deluxe and the American cover. It ahs the same collar (sp?) thing and he seems to have the same robe on. Maybe my theory could be right... :evil:

Here are the collars...

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24991&stc=1

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24992&stc=1

Dumbledore seems to have the same clothes on too, but he always wears the same thing and it's also sort of hard to tell..

I think that the hands entertwined with fire on the inside jackets are Harry's and Dumbledore's, showing the new bond that seems to be depicted on most of the covers.

The boat kind of surprised me, that was something that I wasn't expecting.

I wonder why both it and that pensieve are golden?


I found the boat interesting too. I always knew that the first years took a boat from the train to Hogwarts but I never thought much about it until OoTP when there was much talk about the thestrals. I believe the underground lake will come into play in the HBP.

There's a big blowup of the ring on the e-cards on the Bloomsbury website (see Mugglenet home)... It looks cracked!

Ok I can't see any of that I just see a broken fence with a bit of an over growen garden/forest.
The hands however are very intresting at first I though it was Peter as DD said harry and him now have a bond (after reading GOF where he no longer has a right hand) I no longer think this. I now think it may be Snape or DD I am leaning more towards DD as there is fire around the hands like there is fire around DD and harry on the UK childres version, but you never know it could be the magicals world version of a contract (I love this idea)
The ring I have no idea. I dont think it is the HBP but i think it will be important.

I'm actually kind of worried about how much Dumbledore is being shown on these covers. This could be a bad premonition.

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Originally Posted by Carribeania
Thankyou! I am presently trying to get it bigger. As I dont have photoshop it is very makeshift and the only way that is working now is powerepoint. I am definalty convinced there is words behind and a bit up from the boat. and I sought of leaning towards the words saying something then only... can anyone else see them or even have a guess at what the words are... come on Humour me!

(picture of potions book)

I've enlarged the book and played with the contrast. There doesn't appear to be any lettering on it at all.


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AH see heres the thing good fellow.... I was talking about the other cover... obviously hence the refenrence to the boat :eyebrows:

There's a big blowup of the ring on the e-cards on the Bloomsbury website (see Mugglenet home)... It looks cracked!

it not olnly looks cracked, it also seems to have like a symbol in the middle, it looks like an S to me or a sanke, what do you guys see?

Looks like a lightening bolt to me

it not olnly looks cracked, it also seems to have like a symbol in the middle, it looks like an S to me or a sanke, what do you guys see?Here's a really good pic, up-close...http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y130/kingwidgit/HPring.jpg

It looks like there could be some sort of crest behind that lighting bolt type thing.

It looks like the Slytherin crest behind a crack. don't know what this means of course.
Maybe the HBP is a Slytherin.

whizbang121, took the image above and removed the crack, this was the result...
http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24602

it looks like a heart... or a crest or pic or something... by the way great pic!

whiz joked that it was the "Superman" symbol...

Tee hehe superman symbol... tee hehehehehehehe!

The crest behind the crack in the ring looks very close to a snake. Maybe I'm reading between the lines a little too much here, but it almost seems like a faded slytherin symbol and the crack looks remarkably like a lightning bolt. Maybe it's symbolic of Harry dertroying Voldemort or something like that. OMG I can't wait for HBP!!!
http://sorting-hat.com/linklogo/sorthatg.gif

i dont think he will destroy him till number seven

HarryPotter did a much better job. He actually replaced the missing section.

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24664&stc=1

http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=2415755&postcount=549

:lol: Looks even more like the Superman symbol. It does seem to be a mirror image of the mark on Harry's forehead, triangle and all, though there's never been a mention of a triangle in the books.

HarryPotter did a much better job. He actually replaced the missing section.

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24664&stc=1

http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=2415755&postcount=549

:lol: Looks even more like the Superman symbol. It does seem to be a mirror image of the mark on Harry's forehead, triangle and all, though there's never been a mention of a triangle in the books.
Whiz, it looks exactly like the Superman symbol. I've tried hard not to think that since I start out with a prejudice in that regard. :elaugh:

:lol: Somehow, I'm not surprised. ;) Wonder if Mach or Mundungus knows much about the use of a triangle in insignia.

Well, various military insignia is within a triangle. I've found a couple of sites about military aircraft symbols..

THis is interesting. Apparently French.
http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25026&stc=1

It's number 12 under the section, France, on this page.

http://www.warbooks.com/fgnins.html

http://www.303rdbg.com/aircraft-markings.html

It could be Slytherin's ring but if it was i would have expected it to be in silver.
I don't know why it is cracked.
A triangle inside a squair? Anyone think that bit is important?