Unfogging the Half-Blood Prince Cover Art v2.0

That triangle reminds me of a shield that Voldemort held in his arm while he fought DD.(see grand pre art for OOTP-chapter 36 'The Only One He Ever Feared').

Yeah I noticed that a while back [doesn't look like he's wearing school robes]. It looked to me like he was him his PJ's, so I thought that it maybe was at night. Maybe it is an emergency and they had to leave immediately. Or maybe it was during the night and Harry and Dumbledore are looking in the Pensieve and went in to see something at Godric's Hollow, because it looks like a deserted house with weeds and junk growing all around the fence.

Yeah that's my theory for now. Estimated changing time: 2 minutes

I just checked the two covers, and it looks like he is wearing the same thing in both the Deluxe and the American cover. It ahs the same collar (sp?) thing and he seems to have the same robe on. Maybe my theory could be right... :evil:

Here are the collars...

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24991&stc=1

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24992&stc=1

Dumbledore seems to have the same clothes on too, but he always wears the same thing and it's also sort of hard to tell..



I just reposted that because no one said anything...:D

I don't think that anyone has thought of this, but maybe on the deluxe edition Dumbledore is taking harry to Godric's Hollow to see Godric Gryffindor, and he is taking him in secrecy at night
which would explain why Harry does not have his school robes on and why it is so dark.

We know nothing about Godric Gryffindor so he could as well be still alive and he could be who the insert from the book that JK gave us on her site was describing. He might be hiding somewhere in Godric's Hollow. There could be a million places to hide with magic. Dumbledore might also be the current secret keeper of Gryffindor.

I think it is very unlikely still alive and he would have grey hair by now..... but it could be to see his grave... we are suppossed to see a hogwarts graveyard, maybe his parents will be buried there to, I suspect one of them is a teacher... but i am getting off track ... the ppoint is maybe DD is taking Harry to the hogwarts graveyard maybe to see Godric's grave.... its a loooong shot but i am trying to work of what you ere saying HalfBloodClot

I don't think that anyone has thought of this, but maybe on the deluxe edition Dumbledore is taking harry to Godric's Hollow to see Godric Gryffindor, and he is taking him in secrecy at night
which would explain why Harry does not have his school robes on and why it is so dark.

We know nothing about Godric Gryffindor so he could as well be still alive and he could be who the insert from the book that JK gave us on her site was describing. He might be hiding somewhere in Godric's Hollow. There could be a million places to hide with magic. Dumbledore might also be the current secret keeper of Gryffindor.

Interesting idea. I think though with the Nicolas Flamel stuff that it said somewhere that he was the only person to have immortality. Could be wrong on that. I'm leaning more towards something like Gryffindor being The Half Blood Prince and leaving behind something like Riddle's Diary. It would be almost like Slytherin's Heir but in reverse. Gryffindor could have some sort of Heir to do something like destroy muggle haters. LOL. I really have no idea.

Yeah I am pretty sure that someone said that the only stone currently in existence belonged to one nicholas Flamel. But I am sure there is more then one way to be immortal, I like the idea that he kept a diary like tm Riddle did

I don't think Godric Griffindor would be imortal, but if there was fighting once at the school and they managed to get Slytherin to leave this could be the key in getting Voldemort to leave ... er permenately.

About the ring... Has anyone mentioned that on previous UK covers, the picture that is in the same spot the ring is on the HBP cover has been insignifigant? I can only speak for GoF and OotP, because those are the only two I own. On GoF, it has a picture of an owl (possibly Hedwig) that is also featured on the back of the book. On OotP, it's a golden feather... I suppose it's "Fawkes's warning".

Then again, the ring is very detailed, unlike the other two. I might also mention that the pictures on the front and back covers of OotP are pretty insignifigant (the Fountain of Magical Brethren on the back and Fawkes (presumably) on the front), although both factor into the Dumbledore/Voldemort battle at the end.

About the ring... Has anyone mentioned that on previous UK covers, the picture that is in the same spot the ring is on the HBP cover has been insignifigant? I can only speak for GoF and OotP, because those are the only two I own. On GoF, it has a picture of an owl (possibly Hedwig) that is also featured on the back of the book. On OotP, it's a golden feather... I suppose it's "Fawkes's warning".

On the UK back cover of PoA is a vicius looking dog (Sirius or the Grim?). The head of the dog is also on the spine at the place of the ring. This spot doesn't seem insignificant. But I dont't know, what's on the cover of PS or CoS.

Anybody see the back of the U.K. kids version? There is this sort of underground lake thing Harry and Dumbledore travel across to get to that pensieve thing. Any ideas what this could be?

On the UK back cover of PoA is a vicius looking dog (Sirius or the Grim?). The head of the dog is also on the spine at the place of the ring. This spot doesn't seem insignificant. But I dont't know, what's on the cover of PS or CoS.

Yeah, in that case, it's important, I guess... On the PS spine, it's Dumbledore... At least on the paperback copy, that's the only kind I have. I'm not certain whether or not the hardback is different... I doubt it. So I guess in that case it's important as well.

Anybody see the back of the U.K. kids version? There is this sort of underground lake thing Harry and Dumbledore travel across to get to that pensieve thing. Any ideas what this could be?
That's my favourite theory about it:

It's the underground lake at Gringotts (the lake is mentioned in PS/SS). Perhaps it's an ancient pensieve, which is hidden/ stored at Gringotts. Maybe Dumbledore's scar, a perfect map of the London Underground , will come in handy.

Another idea is, that it is an underground lake at Hogwarts and that there is another secret chamber.

I was thinking that it is the lake at hogwarts. When Ron and Harry go down to the chamber they mention that they think they are under the lake. That makes me think that there might be some water down there. Maybe they will go back to the chamber.

JKR did mention that she was rather fond of Dumbeldore's scar, which I found kind of odd at the time, since it was only mentioned in passing and wasn't really one of Dumbledore's funniest quirks.

ah yes this mysterious scar....

There are so many
similarities!
Harry = Frodo
Dumbledore = Gandalf
Wormtail = Wormtongue
Whomping Willow = Old Man Willow
Dobby = Gollum (well, Gollum's more like Dobby on crack!)

Okay, those are my thoughts so far :D Thanks for suffering through
them! :tu:

i have one problem with that. dobby. if you take a closer look at Kreacher, he is exactly like Gollum. if you listen (read) closely to what he is saying, he sounds just like gollum when hes talking to him self. the only thing missing is repeated lines of "My Precious"

whats this comparison got to do with the front cover of the book?

As for Harry not being fully dressed, perhaps Dumbledore has taken him from Privet Drive...The second Chapter is entitled SPINNERS END...I know this contradicts my theory we may be seeing them nearing Godric's Hollow (a hollow is often a clearing in a woods), but maybe Dumbledore personally arrives to take Harry from the Dursleys this time.
As the days whittle down to a precious few, I seem to get wilder in my imaginings...

19 days! WOOT we shall know in but 19 days!

On the jacket, it look like that harry and dumbledore are in the forbidden forest. And yes! I see the person with a large nose and a wolf-like face. No acually.....I think it really look like a dog's face! Do you think it's padfoot? Or his ghost? If it's padfoot, and he is with Snape, do you think they finally reunited?

Dumbledore has many rings on his fingers. Do you think that ring is his?

http://www.veritaserum.com/books/book6/img/hbpcover-deluxe.jpg

I Hadn't thought of that before. Dumbledores scar is in the shape of the London Underground. And Harry himself said that Diagon Alley is in London, and Gringotts is in Diagon Alley.

The London underground that first came to my mind was muggle London. Maybe he actually ment wizard London, or Gringotts underground. Maybe it is the underground lake on the cover.

19 more days, yea!!!!!!!!!!!

Dumbledore has many rings on his fingers. Do you think that ring is his?

http://www.veritaserum.com/books/book6/img/hbpcover-deluxe.jpg
I don't see any rings.

lol no, the ring is not on that jacket. it's on the UK one wait let me get the link.....

oh no I can't find it anymore......am I the only one who saw that ring?

lol no, the ring is not on that jacket. it's on the UK one wait let me get the link.....

oh no I can't find it anymore......am I the only one who saw that ring?
I know which ring you mean. But when you including the link to the Deluxe cover with your statement about DD's rings, it seemed to imply that he was wearing rings in that image.

I know he is, but he has more than one ring!

I know he is, but he has more than one ring!
I think you misunderstood me... :huh:

:huh:

just thinking, someone has probally already seen it but, the knife in the tree, dumbledoor seems to be looking at it and looking puzzled, curious or worried

OK first of all can sum1 give me the link of the childrens edition cover? the 1 wit this so called boat and interlocked arms plz???? i cant find it anywhere. Thanks!

I wouldn't get too caught up with every tiny detail on the covers since sometimes they don't have all that much to do with what happens inside. Sometimes they are just something tangentially related to the story, and are put there because they look exciting.

I have no idea if anyone mentioned it, but could the boat docked in the underground chamber have anything to do with the boats the students take across the Great Lake on the day of their first year? Perhaps the ravine or whatever that runs under Hogwarts leads elsewhere? After all, The Chamber of Secrets was pretty much, well, secret--perhaps there is another secret chamber accessable by boat? Just a thought.

I wouldn't get too caught up with every tiny detail on the covers since sometimes they don't have all that much to do with what happens inside. Sometimes they are just something tangentially related to the story, and are put there because they look exciting.

A very valuable observation. Most people get carried away by over-analyzing the most minute details and relating them to their predictions of what will happen in the book (when, in reality, these 'links' are probably unintentional).

OK first of all can sum1 give me the link of the childrens edition cover? the 1 wit this so called boat and interlocked arms plz???? i cant find it anywhere. Thanks!

The newsround (http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4080000/newsid_4081600/4081618.stm) link has a copy and Mugglenet has a larger copy of it

A very valuable observation. Most people get carried away by over-analyzing the most minute details and relating them to their predictions of what will happen in the book (when, in reality, these 'links' are probably unintentional).

Yes, but it's so much fun to make guesses.

Hi, I am new to the Forum. I have been reading this thread for a week or so. I really enjoy all the speculation. People see so many things I never considered. My favorite theories, so far, center on the ring and the clasped hands.

I really like the idea that the ring may have a crack in the stone resulting from the last member of a house (maybe Black) dying. ( I read this idea several pages back and am unsure who to credit.) When I first saw the ring I thought it looked like a spider leg was reaching over the front of the ring. A crack makes much more sense.

The clasped hands look to me like they are bracing for the pain of that ribbon of flame hitting them. Several members suggested a pact or transfer of power. I do hope this is more of a pact rather than a sacrifice of one character. (keeping my fingers crossed!)

Anyway, I am enjoying the speculation. It helps pass the time until I can finally hold the book in my hands.

Maybe it's just me.... but on the cover that starrbryt was talking about:
Originally Posted by starrbryt
Okay, so I JUST noticed this, and some of you all might think I'm crazy, but I don't think so...
go to this site and magnify it
http://www.veritaserum.com/books/bo...over-deluxe.jpg
on the top, very left hand side of the cover, there's a large tree. Carved into the tree it looks like (to me at least) there are two faces. They're really faint, but if you look closely, it looks like two eyes and a mouth (curved down for one). And next to that tree is one of those bright green things, and it looks like another face turned to look at the tree... maybe i'm reading into it too much, so tell me what you think...
And another quick question:
why would dumbledore and harry be in a forest, where even dumbledore looks really worried? And is that really a broken fence in front of them? A fence in the middle of a forest?

There have never been any hidden faces or messages on any of the prior covers. I don't think there are any now.

Good question, a fence in the middle of the forbidden forest?
Maybe as others have said in this thread, it's Spinners End or Godric Hollow. Makes more sence that they might have a fence around them.

Remember that Hagrid has a paddock that is on the edge of the forbidden forest, Harry and Hermione were able to rescue Buckbeak from it in POA...

Ah, yes. and with all the trees in the picture as well, makes it look like the forbidden forest.

Just think, 19 more days and we'll all know. Shoot, who knows, it may be the back yard of Grimwald Place, and Harry is seeing the old motor bike.

I have no idea if anyone mentioned it, but could the boat docked in the underground chamber have anything to do with the boats the students take across the Great Lake on the day of their first year? Perhaps the ravine or whatever that runs under Hogwarts leads elsewhere? After all, The Chamber of Secrets was pretty much, well, secret--perhaps there is another secret chamber accessable by boat? Just a thought.

thats what i was thinking

honestly I haven't read much of this. But. Has anyone noticed the 2 hands with lightning around them.

Like I was also reading the other thread which was trying to get the specifics about the prophecy. They had it down where

NOW, i would like to draw your attention to 'either must die at the hand of th other'.

Of course this means that one has to kill the other but I also take this statement literarly. They must kill each other using their hands and not wands!

From this thread (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=52623)

That sort of makes an illusion or so to that fact. Perhaps its sort of a verification of the literal take on this.

Maybe Dumbly uses this sort of pensieve to teach harry a sort of magical
Gave 'em the old one-two, OOTP pg 36

I dunno if Voldy will be playing a big part on the vs harry front. Like PoA never had Voldy really. All the others yes. Now the 6th one. Like every 3 perhaps won't have any voldy in it. Only explaining Voldy better and alluding to the final.

edit/ then again I guess it could resemble a strong relationship or something.

well the adult book cover with the potions book i think means that we well get a new potions teacher. I dont see Harry getting an O in potions so if Snape is still a teacher Harry wont be able to take potions hence a new teacher. And Snape would become the new DA teacher finally getting his wish.

well the adult book cover with the potions book i think means that we well get a new potions teacher. I dont see Harry getting an O in potions so if Snape is still a teacher Harry wont be able to take potions hence a new teacher. And Snape would become the new DA teacher finally getting his wish.

I agree with this. I often wonder if it isn't Snape who will die and not Dumbledore. If Snape becomes the new DADA and finally gets his dream job.

Or that cover on the Adult British edition could simply point to Snape and his role in the upcoming book. Perhaps Snape will refuse to teach Harry and Dumbledore will teach him individually. Considering that Harry is now at a new level in his training, Dumbledore may mentor Harry a lot more than in the past. After all, he has the basics down and needs some serious refinement before he can perform the tasks necessary to defeat LV. But I have also heard that Snape is a large part of the upcoming book, so I think it likely that Snape will teach Harry some course. I don't think Harry got an O in potions from reading the OotP, so my bet is on Snape as DADA - unless McGonagall puts her foot down with Snape - as only she can. :eyebrows:

Look at the beautiful covers!! (http://the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2005/06/hbpcnbc.html) . The picture of the books just made me really excited. :p

Edit: I don't know how that guy in the first picture doesn't have the urge to turn around and open that box that says "Harry Potter : Do not open". I just want to make him turn around and open it!

Look at the beatiful covers!! (http://the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2005/06/hbpcnbc.html) . The picture of the books just made me really excited. :p

Edit: I don't know how that guy in the first picture doesn't have the urge to turn around and open that box that says "Harry Potter : Do not open". I just want to make him turn around and open it!


ARGH! I WANT ONE! I am just waiting for one of those to disappear and info to start leaking out.

My question is why they are openning the boxes now instead of shipping them directly to the stores in the original boxes. I used to work in a record store in the 70s and 80s and we always got the major new releases in massive quantity in the original boxes from the factories. Stinks of a publicity stunt to me...as if it was necessary.

ARGH! I WANT ONE! I am just waiting for one of those to disappear and info to start leaking out.

My question is why they are openning the boxes now instead of shipping them directly to the stores in the original boxes. I used to work in a record store in the 70s and 80s and we always got the major new releases in massive quantity in the original boxes from the factories. Stinks of a publicity stunt to me...as if it was necessary.

No, I think the books were out because they were preparing to put them in the boxes.

i think its so dumb to get them in stores all ready. I can see another big leak and it sucks. They should of waited about a week before it arrived in stores.

I don't think they should be in the stores yet either. It's too risky..................I don't even know if I want to keep coming online until the release, I hate spoilers.

It stinks that stuff leeks...I hate spoilers! Who is supposed to die already leeked..and I found out (completly against my will)! Oh well..this has always happend. Anyway, about the cover. Think maybe Dumbledore is the half-blood prince? He is on almost all the covers out there.

Stuff'll be leaked, and we can't help it. i'm avoiding HP sites starting July 8th.

The Boat.

I think this goes perfectly with the idea of the pensive on the cover holding the thoughts of SS. I believe this explains why 1st years see hogwartz for the first time by crossing the lake in boats, since SS and GG most likely first arrived via boat. This might be one of the memories of SS that Harry sees.

Combine that with the black crest ring, the scar on the ring, Harry having both attributes of SS and GG in CoS, green light, etc. My current best guess is Sirius died so Harry will inherit Sirius's fathers ring. The ring will lead Harry and DD to SS's pensive. The pensive will explain the story of the founding of Hogwartz and SS eventually leaving. This info will ultimately provide a clue to how Harry will ultimately defeat Voldimort.

-Blitz

Sorry if somebody mentioned it before - I think it would be nice if the hands on the cover (Dumble and Harry's I believe) were cut. If so much depends on one's blood, maybe they're mixing their blood to create something, for example? I have a hunch HBP is not a person, but if it's a spell or a potion (remember the potion book from adult cover), the potion from the book we've seen in CoS... Well, it works together rather nicely. IT would be very Da Vinci Code-ish to put the HBP (green flames of the spell or mist from the potion) on the cover :)

It's horrible how little we know about the covers this time. We have a potion book for an edition where there was always someting from the title. Three Harry/Dumbledore pictures, plus something-like-pensieve, a ring and a boat. I think it was made on purpose - to show us as little as possible... *sigh*

Will they show us US back covers before July 16th? How do you think?

if you don't want any spoilers don't go to the leakycauldron...I'm not quite sure what it says b/c i covered my computer with my hand to resist the temptation to read it. I did read some of it thought b/c i couldn't resist and they have an excerpt that makes it easy to guess a whole lot of stuff and they also have things JKR said will and won't happen in the book. Its not MAJOR spoilage, but if you want to be totally suprised when you read it, then don't go to this site. It is a very good site though with good graphics and good info so you should visit the site just don't go to the HBP updates page if you ABSOLUTELY don't want any info on the book...but i reckon all sites have this info, this one was just the first that I saw and I am from here on out not looking at anymore HP websites except this one, until I've read HBP

if you don't want any spoilers don't go to the leakycauldron...I'm not quite sure what it says b/c i covered my computer with my hand to resist the temptation to read it. I did read some of it thought b/c i couldn't resist and they have an excerpt that makes it easy to guess a whole lot of stuff and they also have things JKR said will and won't happen in the book. Its not MAJOR spoilage, but if you want to be totally suprised when you read it, then don't go to this site. It is a very good site though with good graphics and good info so you should visit the site just don't go to the HBP updates page if you ABSOLUTELY don't want any info on the book...but i reckon all sites have this info, this one was just the first that I saw and I am from here on out not looking at anymore HP websites except this one, until I've read HBP
Thanks for the tip. I read Leaky a lot, but I've been staying away from the HBP updates page. Guess I was right to stay away.

I'm going into hiding soon. Getting ready to cast Fidelius ... meaning no TV or radio news, no newspapers and no HP websites. A little extreme, but I accidentally read the articles about the bets being taken on who will die and who the HBP is. Didn't believe them for a minute, but it made me kind of sad.

I'm still upset about going to see Return of the Jedi and my cousin telling me that DV was Luke's father.

I want to see the back cover. I want to know how long it is! I know how many pages, but I want to feel it n my hand! I want to know what colors the cover is. I want this book!

Umm... anyhow, I was noticing in OotP that Sirius is mentioned A LOT in this book, even when he doesn't neeed to be. He's always on Harry's mind. Even in the frst chapter,JKR keeps saying "the place he first saw Sirius". This is the first time since PoA Harry has shared the front cover this much. Expect whoever dies to be brought up more....

Thanks for the tip. I read Leaky a lot, but I've been staying away from the HBP updates page. Guess I was right to stay away.

I'm going into hiding soon. Getting ready to cast Fidelius ... meaning no TV or radio news, no newspapers and no HP websites. A little extreme, but I accidentally read the articles about the bets being taken on who will die and who the HBP is. Didn't believe them for a minute, but it made me kind of sad.

I'm still upset about going to see Return of the Jedi and my cousin telling me that DV was Luke's father.
I think I will also go in to hiding...i hate spoilers!

I think that the boat on the back is a leading to the underworld ....

I think I will also go in to hiding...i hate spoilers!

I'm just going to read mugglenet front page. Personally I love giving out spoilers. That aren't true. Like at one time i didn't know anything about Harry Potter except one stand-up comedian said Hagrid dies in book 3. a friend of mine was about to read book 3 and I was like oh ya hagrid dies in that. She never spoke to me for like a month then she comes to me and is like your a double *******. She was expecting Hagrid to die the whole book but got through and Hagrid never died obviously.

I'm just going to read mugglenet front page. Personally I love giving out spoilers. That aren't true. Like at one time i didn't know anything about Harry Potter except one stand-up comedian said Hagrid dies in book 3. a friend of mine was about to read book 3 and I was like oh ya hagrid dies in that. She never spoke to me for like a month then she comes to me and is like your a double *******. She was expecting Hagrid to die the whole book but got through and Hagrid never died obviously.

haha thats a good idea...i'd much rather have fake spoilers than real ones

For the record, giving out 'fake' spoilers is probably a really bad idea on the forums. I'm pretty sure the mods will not be happy, and you'll just irritate a lot of folks!

Back to the cover art - I still can't figure out why there's a reflection of something that isn't in the boat...

I'm just going to read mugglenet front page. Personally I love giving out spoilers. That aren't true. Like at one time i didn't know anything about Harry Potter except one stand-up comedian said Hagrid dies in book 3. a friend of mine was about to read book 3 and I was like oh ya hagrid dies in that. She never spoke to me for like a month then she comes to me and is like your a double *******. She was expecting Hagrid to die the whole book but got through and Hagrid never died obviously.That something not very nice of you, no matter if they are real spoilers or made up spoilers, you will be ruining the fun of reading for many people. Just to avoid trouble in the future, I suggest you to not to even to try it here in the Forums. You will be probably be banned if you do so.

CoS Spoiler Guidelines (http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=2029461&postcount=1)

I still can't figure out why there's a reflection of something that isn't in the boat...

I read somewhere, (not here but sorry if its been discussed) that the thing in the boat is actually someone under an invisibility cloak, not likely, but I fell for it.

I read somewhere, (not here but sorry if its been discussed) that the thing in the boat is actually someone under an invisibility cloak, not likely, but I fell for it.

Untill you brought it up I had never noticed it. It looks like a horn and some rocks. A question that has just come to me. Why is the boat glowing?

Well, I didn't see any stuff but the 'wolfish creature', but he didn't look wolfish to me! He kind of looked like he was wearing glasses. Anyways, I think the adult British cover suggests that Harry got into N.E.W.T level potions, which probably means that Hogwarts got a new potions professor, and Snape is teaching Deffense Against The Dark Arts. This also means that Harry is planning on becoming an Auror! Also, on both the children's British cover and the American cover, Dumbledore is there, so maybe this means thay HE is the half-blood prince?

I read somewhere, (not here but sorry if its been discussed) that the thing in the boat is actually someone under an invisibility cloak, not likely, but I fell for it.Hmmm... do people in that condition produce reflections/shadows? seems it would be a dead giveaway... but it's certainly possible!

Untill you brought it up I had never noticed it. It looks like a horn and some rocks. A question that has just come to me. Why is the boat glowing?Unfortunate uranium accident? I think until July 16th it will have to be 'magic'

I don't know about anyone else but, I think the cover for the American version reflects Harry and Dumbledore looking into they're memories of the night Voldemort went after Harry. As to the cover for the deluxe edition, I think it shows DD walking with Harry in his memory to GH after the fall of Voldemort to let harry see exactly what happened in the hours after. I also think that the knife in the tree might belong to Wormtail. Perhaps it's the one he uses to cut off his own finger? As to the Bloomsbury edition, I'm not really sure. Maybe they are in battle or DD is teaching Harry how to really duel.

Although I have looked at the cover art before, I have just noticed two things on the UK covers. First, on the adult version, the desk is every bit as old and decrepit as the potions book upon it. I notice we are not shown the background. Where is this scene, in an old ruined building in a forest? Second, in the children's cover, I call your attention to what we see behind Harry & Dumbledore. The background in the upper left is quite dark. Behind Harry and in front of him, under Dumbledore's hair, it is a pale, greenish color.
What do you make of either detail?

the hands clasping, I feel is the sign of a handfast. Also, remember Harry is leaving for a happier reason. I believe this is the marriage of Fleur and Bill. They were cozying up in OotP. Could THEY be the parents of the Half Blood Prince who isn't BORN yet? Someone also pointed out, "why wear black to a wedding?" In some cultures, black is the appropriate color to wear for the vows.

Some others mentioned.. The green glow from the pensieve. My take of this is: The glow is from a memory. Dumbledore and Harry are standing over the pensieve. PERHAPS, Harry and Dumbledore are looking down on Harry's OWN memory of the night of the attack at Godric's Hollow? The Avada Kedavra spell gives off a green jet of light, does it not? What if the memory itself (as you will remember, Harry remembered flashes of green light at various times) is giving the green glow. It's been proven that even if HARRY doesn't remember something from his childhood, that it's not still there in his mind (I'm referring to the memories that Snape viewed, and Harry had no recollection of).

MAYBE, Dumbledore feels that revisiting that night (with Harry) will answer some questions and tie up some loose ends to lead them closer to the destruction of Voldemort. The UK children's front cover gives me the impression that they are walking through Harry's memory of the night he was marked by Voldemort.

As for seeing reflections of people in the water next to the boat: In SS/PS he can't see the rest of his body the first time he views himself in the mirror (the first time he puts it on), he sees just his head. However, he doesn't remove the cloak the first time he sees himself in the mirror of Erised (on his solo journey), and even mentions that he assumed the room was filled with invisible people. So, we know that reflections can be seen SOMETIMES, even if the person is hiding under an invisibility cloak.

I just saw this in Ennervate's signature, and it looked more like words to me than the usual cover. I thought it might be easier to see this way, trying to see what it says. I thought I saw secrets before..

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25261&stc=1

After looking over the previous five covers, I say: we can analyse the zuchinni out of this here cover, and we'll get: nothing, if that.

Although I have looked at the cover art before, I have just noticed two things on the UK covers. First, on the adult version, the desk is every bit as old and decrepit as the potions book upon it. I notice we are not shown the background. Where is this scene, in an old ruined building in a forest? Second, in the children's cover, I call your attention to what we see behind Harry & Dumbledore. The background in the upper left is quite dark. Behind Harry and in front of him, under Dumbledore's hair, it is a pale, greenish color.
What do you make of either detail?Well if you look carefully at the childrens book cover you see a greenish colour similar to that seen on the back cover coming from the what I think might the a pensieve but I can not be sure. Perhaps this means that they go down to this pensieve and find someone waiting there, lurking in the shadows. What ever that place is on the back of the book, it sure must be important and if important probably has Voldemorts interests at heart. On the other hand if the front cover and back cover are of the same place then perhaps something protecting what is picture on the back cover, something that Dumbledore has to fight in order to see what is in the bowl.

Something I've thought of about the ring on the UK edition: Everyone thinks the little pattern thing on it is a lightning bolt, right? What if it's just a coincidence explained in the book and that it's actually a crack? I mean, the book and table on the adult edition looks old, the penseive/basin/dish/soupcauldron on the american and kid's UK edition are old, and wherever Dumbledore is shown he's old (that one's almost certainly a coincidence...). So, could the ring have just cracked after a few hundred years of wearing?

I haven't worked through the whole thread, but...on the standup, isn't that "Mosmodre", the dark sign, just below the left side of the basin? It looks funny with a cleaved skull, though. And I'll point out that there appears to be a city or town skyline in the background.

I haven't worked through the whole thread, but...on the standup, isn't that "Mosmodre", the dark sign, just below the left side of the basin? It looks funny with a cleaved skull, though. And I'll point out that there appears to be a city or town skyline in the background.

as voldy is now known. he can go public. perhaps they end up casting "Mosmodre" in a city. so then the muggles figure something is wrong. and its on the news. and the durslys start looking to harry for comfort.

Lol as if eh lol?

behind the boat I swear there is writing on the wall I can sought of make oout a word they something saying only... any one else?

ok guys, I certainly have not read every post on here but a few comments and if someone has stated something already I apologize in advance.

I used Photoshop CS on the Deluxe Cover. I used the shadow feature to bring out details, I played with the colors and hues, and the end result, people who are seeing stuff hidden are like people seeing images in clouds... it is imagination. The knife yes. Faces, etc hidden, no. I looked and looked and it isn't there. Harry and Dumbledore are in what appears to be the forbidden forest next to a fence that is broken. There does appear to possibly be a stream on the bottom of the spine.

On the children's back cover, above the boat there does appear to be some writing. The boat is in a clear pool of water (you can see the stones below it) and is reflected in the pool.

The ring has a curved emblem its middle similar to an s that has been stretched.

And the hands clasped appeared to be entwined with a rope of some sort but it does also resemble the object (fire of rope ) swirling around Harry and Dumbledore on the front cover.

The Adult cover shows an old book. That indicates to me that someone is looking in the restricted section of the Library at Advanced Potions but also that potions plays a large role in this book. An excellent theory on Paracelsus (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?p=2526944#post2526944)
is in the Divination section. It offers some ideas on how Potions plays a role.

That is about all I gathered from the covers. Wish I could read the writing. FA.....

behind the boat I swear there is writing on the wall I can sought of make oout a word they something saying only... any one else?Sorry but I do not see letters behind the boat but instead what I do see is a cast iron gate half off its hinges.

as voldy is now known. he can go public. perhaps they end up casting "Morsmordre" in a city. so then the muggles figure something is wrong. and its on the news.
We discussed the possibility of what would happen in Muggles and the Dark Mark (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=48717), but I don't remember anyone suggesting the Dursleys would turn to Harry for comfort...or information. That would be a good suggestion to add there, Munky...

When I saw the boat on the back cover I remembered in SS/PS when Harry went to the Dark Forest he mentions that he heard a stream of water nearby, but we never get to see it or hear about it again, and there was some additional HBP art released where Harry and Dumbledore were walking in what appeared to be the Dark Forest. Do you think they are connected?
I think there's a very strong possibility that the stream is the one Harry had heard in the forbidden forest especially when the cover of the Special Edition is taken into account - it looks like Harry and Dumbledore are in the forbidden forest on that cover.

behind the boat I swear there is writing on the wall I can sought of make oout a word they something saying only... any one else?
Carribeania posted while I was typing and examing but as I mentioned it (the writing) in my post also, it must exist, eh? *LOL*

Here is a link to some blow-ups of just that portion of the back cover:

writing on back cover (http://timnew.com/temp/hbp_writing.jpg)

with red line showing arear (http://timnew.com/temp/hbp_writing2.jpg)

with less color (http://timnew.com/temp/hbp_writing3.jpg)

I haven't read all 44 pages of this post, so I hope this wasn't already said...
If you go to a book store, in America at least, and see the sign for how many days left, it has the main part, with Harry & Dumbledore, and then it has Hermione, Ron, & Ginny at the bottom. I noticed that this is the second time appearing on the cover for Dumbledore (1st book), Ron (2nd) Ginny (2nd) & Hermione (3rd). Could this mean anything important?

Did you guys do this for the other books?

Because I tried looking at the other covers as someone who had only read up to then, analysed them, and got everything wrong.

I think we need to wait, 'cause we may just be embarrasing ourselves.

I really want to see the back of the American edition.Does anyone think they will show it before the release?

Did you guys do this for the other books?
Only for Order of the Phoenix. Cosforums did not exist until the summer of 2002. HBP will be the first new book analyzed with the hints from JKR's website (that went up in its current form not quite 14 months ago).I think we need to wait, 'cause we may just be embarrasing ourselves.
Actually, the members here did a very good job analyzing the cover with the information they had (no website, but interviews were more abundant in the 'old' days :D ). And any idea agreed upon by the majority was correct. Unfortunately, the thread about it is now gone...lost to pruning, I think.

I really want to see the back of the American edition.Does anyone think they will show it before the release?

All my adult ones are paperback oddly. All they have is the synopsis. and nice things said by other sources. So I'm not sure.

since there is a green fog in the us childrens cover maybe it has something to do with slytherin. Also whos pensieve is it? It must of major importance becuase im sure Dumbledore wouldnt waste time in this crisis. Mabye in order for Harry to kill Voldemort he must learn how he was born in the pensieve. Also Harrys wand is raised as if Harry senses Danger. Also, where are they? Since the pensieve is on a column maybe its a ruin. Harrys house? probably not.

since there is a green fog in the us childrens cover maybe it has something to do with slytherin. Also whos pensieve is it? It must of major importance becuase im sure Dumbledore wouldnt waste time in this crisis. Mabye in order for Harry to kill Voldemort he must learn how he was born in the pensieve. Also Harrys wand is raised as if Harry senses Danger. Also, where are they? Since the pensieve is on a column maybe its a ruin. Harrys house? probably not.
The pensieve appears on at least 2 covers (it is on the back of the UK children's and the front of the US standard edition) although the 2 do not look alike so possible there are 2 pensieves involved. My guess is they may be at the Ministry of Magic or maybe in the Forbidden Forest (do the Centaurs use pensieves?).

It's artistic liscence. Two different people drew the backs. Thus, the penseive/basin/dish/soupbowlthingy looks different on both.

It's artistic liscence. Two different people drew the backs. Thus, the penseive/basin/dish/soupbowlthingy looks different on both.

I thought it looked like a birdbath maybe but a soupbowl? *LOL*

Anyone make out if that is writing on the backcover above the boat? I still think it is but I can not make out the word. It could say Fawkes or Fall???

It will be interesting to see the actual cover and see if the writing is there or not (not that I'll need the cover by then I will have read the book).

Anyone make out if that is writing on the backcover above the boat?

I still think the words "Gryffindor" and "Slytherin" are there.

I don't see those words, I do see an "a" made almost identical to the "a' here and it appears it is preceded by maybe an f or t and followed by either 2 Ls or a w.

There also appears to be writing above and below that word, the word below maybe ending in ty

Here are links to my blowups again:

photo 1 (http://timnew.com/temp/hbp_writing.jpg)

photo 2 (http://timnew.com/temp/hbp_writing.jpg)

photo 3 (http://timnew.com/temp/hbp_writing.jpg)

In last 2 photos I added a red line under the part I see the aw or all

There's definitely a "G" there and an "S"...

OK just had a nother look i can not see Sally thers a big "S" infrount of the A then two L's and a Y not sure if the tale of the y underlins the word.

I can also see a sort of map the three lins represent streets or houses. Any one or have I just lost it

hmm......there is a S but I don't see G......

I dont see the G ether I can start to see the map more clearly i will get back to you on this.

I dont see the G ether I can start to see the map more clearly i will get back to you on this.

What Map? What did I miss?

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/343/hbpwriting5op.jpg
I played around with it. It doesn't look like letters really.

We are seeing curved shapes in the rock, but I don't think they are words either. I think the artist just made curly, curvy shapes to show erosion in the rock. Loops drawn by the hand tend to look like handwritting. We have never had secret hidden images in any of the other cover art for any of the books.

I played around with it. It doesn't look like letters really.
It does. It reads: SallyQ or SallyG or I really need to get some sleep. Take your pick.

It mays just be lines in the rocks but that sure looks like an "a'

but I have played with the image in Photoshop everywhich way and I don't think we will be able to read anything even if it is letters

But one interesting thing I noted as I played is it appears the boat scene is illuminated from above as the boat reflects light upon the wall

I musty be blind coz i can see a word of some kind then the word "only"

Not to be too much of a wet blanket, but regarding the clasped hands:

If you turn your arm in the position of the one that has its palm toward you and pretend you're clasping someone's hand in that position, the muscles and veins are going to stand out more prominently than usual. (Unless you're very overweight or a baby.)

It mays just be lines in the rocks but that sure looks like an "a'

but I have played with the image in Photoshop everywhich way and I don't think we will be able to read anything even if it is letters

But one interesting thing I noted as I played is it appears the boat scene is illuminated from above as the boat reflects light upon the wall

I noticed that on the boat, too, but if you take a look to the reflection in the water. it looks like there's somebody or something inside the boat. :eyebrows:

I think I have discovered (kind of) what the green bowl thing Harry and Dumbledore are standing over is!

The first chapter title is "Brewing for 13 years" isn't it? Well...someone said it was so...if that is the case then since it is BREWING for 13 years then that could be referring to the green bowl of stuff on the front cover. That would make it a potion like many of us thought. I wonder what kind of potion? Green...have any green potions been mentioned before? I shall have to read up before the 16th.

I think I have discovered (kind of) what the green bowl thing Harry and Dumbledore are standing over is!

The first chapter title is "Brewing for 13 years" isn't it? Well...someone said it was so...if that is the case then since it is BREWING for 13 years then that could be referring to the green bowl of stuff on the front cover. That would make it a potion like many of us thought. I wonder what kind of potion? Green...have any green potions been mentioned before? I shall have to read up before the 16th.

That makes me think, that in one of the editions (english adult cover) it shows a potions book. that would make some sense of the bowl, wouldn't it?


i cant wait til 16th... :sad:

I think I have discovered (kind of) what the green bowl thing Harry and Dumbledore are standing over is!

The first chapter title is "Brewing for 13 years" isn't it? Well...someone said it was so...if that is the case then since it is BREWING for 13 years then that could be referring to the green bowl of stuff on the front cover. That would make it a potion like many of us thought. I wonder what kind of potion? Green...have any green potions been mentioned before? I shall have to read up before the 16th.

We know the title of the 2nd Chapter but not the first. JK has just said she had wanted to write a chapter like the first 1 for some time. We only know the title of 3 chapters and none have anything to do with brewing.

I don't know if anyone else noticed, I suppose someone has, but if you look on the UK edition down in the bottom right corner there is a tiny part of the fire that doesn't swirl with the rest of the flames, and branches off. Here's the pic, I've circled the thing that I'm talking about in blue:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8545/untitled27hh.png

This could mean that someone else is casting the fire around Harry and DD, rather than DD himself casting it as a defense like others have suggested. Then again I could be wrong, because that brach of fire (which could be coming from a wand) doesn't seem to be in the same diretion that Harry and DD are looking - I mean, they'd be looking at the caster of the fire wouldn't they? Anyhoo, it's just a little thing that I noticed - I'm not too sure if it's particularly significant.

Apologies if this has already been spotted and discussed.

This could mean that someone else is casting the fire around Harry and DD, rather than DD himself casting it as a defense like others have suggested. Then again I could be wrong, because that brach of fire (which could be coming from a wand) doesn't seem to be in the same diretion that Harry and DD are looking - I mean, they'd be looking at the caster of the fire wouldn't they? Anyhoo, it's just a little thing that I noticed - I'm not too sure if it's particularly significant.

True, the light coming out of dumbledore's wand could be something else like a counter spell or something.

Hard to say.I see what you are talking about. Since fire tickles witches, it raises some fun issues as to what the fire is about. It is hard to see it being used as a weapon against a witch or a wizard if fire doesn't hurt one. Or do some fires hurt a wizard such as dragon fire while common fire doesn't?

One guess is Harry and Dumbledore go into the Forbidden Forest as suggested by the Deluxe Cover and use Fire to keep those nice little pet spiders from having them as dinner guests

Here is a rubbish idea by me. Ok First chapter will be about Godrics hollow. The pensive is because Dumbledore wants to know what happend on October 31st 1981 so he uses Harry to go back to 1981. So he gets Harry to give him a Hair for th pensive as Harry is the only person he can use to see what really happend the night Lilly and James died. So that it is why Harry and DD are looking in the Pensive they are looking at the night Lilly and James died.

You think the pensieve would work with just a hair?

I did a quick check and the book references Dumbledore syphoning off memories with his wand and they appeared like a hair but were in fact a silvery strand of memories

On the US cover Dumbledore and Harry seem to be alone. Since JK said that HBP had to do with COS I think that Harry and Dumbledore are in the chamber looking at stuff that was left by Salazar Slytherin. It's not like he just made a big chamber to keep the snake in. He most have put in rooms so that when his heir came back they could find out how to complete the killing of the half bloods.

Hard to say.I see what you are talking about. Since fire tickles witches, it raises some fun issues as to what the fire is about. It is hard to see it being used as a weapon against a witch or a wizard if fire doesn't hurt one. Or do some fires hurt a wizard such as dragon fire while common fire doesn't?
Fire hurts a witch or wizard the same way it hurts a muggle or any other living thing. The difference is that a wizard can cast a charm to freeze it, saving himself. But being magical alone doesn't protect a body from being burned in a fire.

Ok than hairs. The only two people that know what happend in Godrics hollow is Voldie and Harry so to understand what happend that night i think they will use the pensive.

On the rare occasion that they did catch a real witch or wizard, burning
had no effect whatsoever. The witch or wizard would perform a basic
Flame Freezing Charm and then pretend to shriek with pain while enjoying
a gentle, tickling sensation. Indeed, Wendelin the Weird enjoyed being
burned so much that she allowed herself to be caught no less than
fortyseven times in various disguises.

But since the charm is basic, fire isn't a potent weapon. Wizards and witches use fire as a means of transport so I still don't see the fire being a serious threat to Dumbledore or Harry unless it is a special kind of fire. Ordinary fire wouldn't be able to hurt them -- I mean Dumbledore is the most powerful wizard

Oh, see, I always thought Dumbledore had the fire connected to annother's (Voldemort's) wand, and they were whipping it, and wrangling it. Huh.

Wizards and witches use fire as a means of transport

Ooooh I have an idea, perhaps DD has cast the fire as a means of transporting himself and Harry away from the 'antagonist'? It looks like someone/something pretty dangerous has bumped into them, so perhaps DD is using some other form of transport we haven't see yet?

I mean Dumbledore is the most powerful wizard

I think Daz's idea about Dumbledore using the pensieve to see Harry's memory of that fated day is ingenious...You may be right!!
Thats why on another cover you see Harry and Dumbledore looking into the pensieve, Dumbledore's expression grim and Harry's shocked!
And didn't JKR say something about seeing more of his parent's death in greater details?

I think Daz's idea about Dumbledore using the pensieve to see Harry's memory of that fated day is ingenious...You may be right!!
Thats why on another cover you see Harry and Dumbledore looking into the pensieve, Dumbledore's expression grim and Harry's shocked!
And didn't JKR say something about seeing more of his parent's death in greater details?

Jk has said we will learn all we need to know about what happened before Book 1 so a prequel would not be needed. She has stated we will learn more about James Lily and even Harry's Grandparents. She hasn't specifically mentioned that we will learn more about the day Voldemort killed his parents, I don't think

Thats a good point I never though of that i always though DD was protecting him and Harry. I guess it could be a form of transport.

I think Daz's idea about Dumbledore using the pensieve to see Harry's memory of that fated day is ingenious...You may be right!!
Thats why on another cover you see Harry and Dumbledore looking into the pensieve, Dumbledore's expression grim and Harry's shocked!
And didn't JKR say something about seeing more of his parent's death in greater details?


Thanks for that TheForce that was a nice thing to say :tu: . It just makes some sense we know Harry is the only one that can shed some light on 31st Oct 1981. So DD asking Harry to sheare his memorys of that night using a pensive would explain the book cover.


I know voldie was there but its not like DD can ask him for help!!!

it is a good point we do have to find out why Voldemort didn't die.

we are assumming the object is a pensieve. The only pensieve we know anything about in Dumbledores and it is described as a shallow stone basin and he swirls it with his hands like a gold pan panning for gold.

These objects are clearly not that pensieve. They look like a modern day bird bath. If Dumbledore wanted to mine Harry's memories, wouldn't he use the one in the security of his office? And what memories do we expect a baby to have? A few perhaps but I am dubious they would assist Harry.

The object may be a scrying bowl? Or maybe it is a birdbath and they are trying to catch Harry his very own Phoenix (JK hinted Harry may get a new pet).

Thanks for that TheForce that was a nice thing to say :tu: . It just makes some sense we know Harry is the only one that can shed some light on 31st Oct 1981. So DD asking Harry to sheare his memorys of that night using a pensive would explain the book cover.


I know voldie was there but its not like DD can ask him for help!!!

If a pensieve preserves memories, can it go record something that happened to a one-year-old baby? Most people have so little memory of that time that it's just a blur. I know Harry has recovered some details of what happened that night in his dreams (the green flash of light) and his mother's voice when Dementors are near, but is that enough to construct a throrough picture of what happened, and would it contain anything that Harry didn't already know? I guess there's a possibility that it just records everything that happens around you whether you notice or not, because I doubt Snape was paying attention to the Marauders' conversation in his worst memory, but does the same apply when you're too young to even be able to notice?

This is what we Know about the Book Covers.

Facts:

2 books have concrete looking structures that have a basin on top

1 book has an advanced Potions book that appears to be quite old

1 book has Harry and Dumbledore in what appears to be a forest with a knife high up in one tree

1 book has Harry and Dumbledore in the middle of swirling fire

1 book has a boat in a clear pool of water

1 book has hands clasped with what appears to be rope binding the hands together

1 book has a ring with a squiggle in the middle of the stone

In sum total, 3 of the 4 books feature Harry and Dumbledore on the cover (only the Adult UK book doesn't and we don't know what its back cover may have). -- this fact was added after it was pointed out below

Did I miss any facts?

Fact: 3 books have both Harry and DD on the covers

it does look like a lot to analise whne put like that.

timnew
First Year

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we are assumming the object is a pensieve. The only pensieve we know anything about in Dumbledores and it is described as a shallow stone basin and he swirls it with his hands like a gold pan panning for gold.

These objects are clearly not that pensieve. They look like a modern day bird bath. If Dumbledore wanted to mine Harry's memories, wouldn't he use the one in the security of his office? And what memories do we expect a baby to have? A few perhaps but I am dubious they would assist Harry.

The object may be a scrying bowl? Or maybe it is a birdbath and they are trying to catch Harry his very own Phoenix (JK hinted Harry may get a new pet).




you cant catch a phoenix like that.. read magical beasts and where to find them, they are very very high up, beyond tall peaks of mountains. dumbledores phoenix is a rarity.. so much that dumbledore himself may not have even been the original owner. To a degree tho thats unlikely though, phoenix's are very loyal, to their owners. I am not sure if dumbledores phoenix would have been as loyal if it wasn't dumbledors to begin with, unless he was ordered to goto dumbledore at the possible untimely death. which is how he could end up as harry's pet. but heck ... for all we know harry's 'pet' could end up being rita skeeter permanently as a lil bug. due to her causing mass amounts of trouble. That is kind of a far fetched idea tho, so err.. that can be disregarded (:
I do wonder though, what is buckbeak up to these days? He can probably go back to hagrid after all the chaos has been well taken in, but buckbeak was still sentanced to death.. so living in the order might be more likely. poor lil buckbeak being all bottled up in the attic...

timnew
First Year

Joined: 5 days
we are assumming the object is a pensieve. The only pensieve we know anything about in Dumbledores and it is described as a shallow stone basin and he swirls it with his hands like a gold pan panning for gold.

These objects are clearly not that pensieve. They look like a modern day bird bath. If Dumbledore wanted to mine Harry's memories, wouldn't he use the one in the security of his office? And what memories do we expect a baby to have? A few perhaps but I am dubious they would assist Harry.

The object may be a scrying bowl? Or maybe it is a birdbath and they are trying to catch Harry his very own Phoenix (JK hinted Harry may get a new pet).




you cant catch a phoenix like that.. read magical beasts and where to find them, they are very very high up, beyond tall peaks of mountains. dumbledores phoenix is a rarity.. so much that dumbledore himself may not have even been the original owner. To a degree tho thats unlikely though, phoenix's are very loyal, to their owners. I am not sure if dumbledores phoenix would have been as loyal if it wasn't dumbledors to begin with, unless he was ordered to goto dumbledore at the possible untimely death. which is how he could end up as harry's pet. but heck ... for all we know harry's 'pet' could end up being rita skeeter permanently as a lil bug. due to her causing mass amounts of trouble. That is kind of a far fetched idea tho, so err.. that can be disregarded (:
I do wonder though, what is buckbeak up to these days? He can probably go back to hagrid after all the chaos has been well taken in, but buckbeak was still sentanced to death.. so living in the order might be more likely. poor lil buckbeak being all bottled up in the attic...
Too bad there isn't a sarcasm smiley, I was just kidding about catching a Phoenix with a bird bath to make the emphasis we really don't know that the concrete basin is a pensieve

Too bad there isn't a sarcasm smiley, I was just kidding about catching a Phoenix with a bird bath to make the emphasis we really don't know that the concrete basin is a pensieve

I'm sticking by you with this one. I personally believe that it is either a pensieve or a 'special' potion making bowl thingy.... but i'm sticking by you coz some people think that their theories are so set in stone and they just aren't

Just a question...
Ive never really studied the past US version covers and I was wondering if every single one of them had something crucial in the drawing that was in the book??

Just a question...
Ive never really studied the past US version covers and I was wondering if every single one of them had something crucial in the drawing that was in the book??

i don't know the US covers, but in the british OotP there was the entrance hall of the ministry with the elf an the centaur, for instance.




I think it could be a kind of potion-bowl, it would be also related with the fact that in the adult US cover there is a advanced potion book. :huh:

but in the british OotP there was the entrance hall of the ministry with the elf an the centaur, for instance.The UK adult version of OotP had a photograph of a (metal, I think) phoenix. Are you talking about the back of the cover?
I think it could be a kind of potion-bowl, it would be also related with the fact that in the adult US cover there is a advanced potion book. Um, it's the UK that has adult and child covers. The UK adult cover has the advanced potions book. The US has a regular cover and a deluxe cover. The regular US one has all the green swirls with Harry and Dumbledore looking into a basin. The deluxe US cover shows Harry and Dumbledore in a wooded area.

If that cracked basin is being used to make a potion...when we have never seen a potion made in anything but a cauldron (much deeper; most have "feet" to leave room for flames underneath...)...I just don't see it.

Has anyone ever found out if the UK artists were able to read HBP in advance (the way the US artist did)? We know they didn't get to read OotP in advance, they were only given cover ideas. While both UK covers for OotP had phoenixes, they didn't tell us boo about the contents. The US cover for OotP did.

Oddly enough, cosforum students had very good guesses about the US OotP cover. The majority agreed that the Order had something to do with the group of people mentioned at the end of GoF (the 'old crowd'). The majority believed Harry was in the "new magical place" mentioned in an interview by JKR (some thought this was the Room of Requirement, though they didn't know the name for it). Many felt that Harry was being pursued by DEs (though some thought Voldy would be chasing him, too). Many predicted that the doors would rotate and that the room was circular. There were a lot of off-the-wall ideas, none of which was correct (in hindsight, of course).

The point is: If most of us believe/guess that what Harry and Dumbledore are looking into on the US (regular) cover is a pensieve, we are most likely to be correct. Not a guarantee, but the result of reading previous books multiple times. No cauldron has ever been described to look like the basin on the US cover, but the pensieve has. A shallow stone basin lay there, with odd carvings around the edge; runes and symbols that Harry did not recognize. <snip> The basin being circular,... ..where a shallow stone basin engraved with runes and symbols lay in a pool of candlelight. Harry recognized it at once--Dumbledore's Pensieve.

We don't know of any cauldron (used in Potions) with runes or symbols. :huh:

Nicole but the pensieve described (Dumbledores) is not described as being on a pedestal like the covers depict. It may be just deceptive artwork but I get the impression this object is much larger than the pensieve in Dumbledore's office that he puts away in a cabinet or that sets on Snapes desk. It may be a pensieve. But it may be something different as well

The UK adult version of OotP had a photograph of a (metal, I think) phoenix. Are you talking about the back of the cover?
Um, it's the UK that has adult and child covers. The UK adult cover has the advanced potions book. The US has a regular cover and a deluxe cover. The regular US one has all the green swirls with Harry and Dumbledore looking into a basin. The deluxe US cover shows Harry and Dumbledore in a wooded area.

If that cracked basin is being used to make a potion...when we have never seen a potion made in anything but a cauldron (much deeper; most have "feet" to leave room for flames underneath...)...I just don't see it.

Has anyone ever found out if the UK artists were able to read HBP in advance (the way the US artist did)? We know they didn't get to read OotP in advance, they were only given cover ideas. While both UK covers for OotP had phoenixes, they didn't tell us boo about the contents. The US cover for OotP did.

Oddly enough, cosforum students had very good guesses about the US OotP cover. The majority agreed that the Order had something to do with the group of people mentioned at the end of GoF (the 'old crowd'). The majority believed Harry was in the "new magical place" mentioned in an interview by JKR (some thought this was the Room of Requirement, though they didn't know the name for it). Many felt that Harry was being pursued by DEs (though some thought Voldy would be chasing him, too). Many predicted that the doors would rotate and that the room was circular. There were a lot of off-the-wall ideas, none of which was correct (in hindsight, of course).

The point is: If most of us believe/guess that what Harry and Dumbledore are looking into on the US (regular) cover is a pensieve, we are most likely to be correct. Not a guarantee, but the result of reading previous books multiple times. No cauldron has ever been described to look like the basin on the US cover, but the pensieve has. A shallow stone basin lay there, with odd carvings around the edge; runes and symbols that Harry did not recognize. <snip> The basin being circular,... ..where a shallow stone basin engraved with runes and symbols lay in a pool of candlelight. Harry recognized it at once--Dumbledore's Pensieve.

We don't know of any cauldron (used in Potions) with runes or symbols. :huh:


ohps! sorry, yep, i was talking about the covers. well it seems i'm a bit confused about editions US/UK... :rolleyes:


well, now you put the description of the pensive, I start seeng it that way...anyway, we won't found out till the 16th...

Nicole but the pensieve described (Dumbledors) is not described as being on a pedestal like the covers depict. It may be just deceptive artwork but I get the imprtession this object is much larger than the pensieve in Dumbledore's office that he puts away in a cabinet or that sets on Snapes desk. It may be a pensieve. But it may be something different as well
So you think it would look a lot better if it were sitting on a desk? Or that it should be so small it can't quite be made out? :huh: People have also stated that the contents of the basin should be silvery if it were a Pensieve...but that doesn't fit the color palette Mary Grandpre chose. (Others say the memory holds some spell casting memory of a spell with green light...).

The basin has to be doing something. Otherwise Harry and Dumbledore wouldn't be looking into it, they aren't staring at a "blank screen" so to speak. They seem very intrigued/interested in the contents. Personally, I don't think staring into a potion would cause those particular expressions on their faces. I also wouldn't want to brew a potion in a basin, especially not one that's cracked! There is no room for flames and we have not yet encountered a 'cold brew'...all the potions have required heating (dangerous to do with an unsound vessel, just ask Percy! :lol: ).

Dumbledore's office is a bit crowded in some places--lots of spindly tables and small silver instruments. It also has rows of cabinets and shelves, plus a special area for Fawkes. We have watched him conjure needed items (especially chairs). Dumbledore could conjure a pedestal in order to have Harry beside him when showing the basin's contents, rather than have Harry on the opposite side of his desk. It would be very easy for him to do...

If one thinks the basin on the cover is too large to be the one described in the books (rather than artist's perspective to make it interesting/important), maybe it is an even older pensieve that belonged to a former headmaster/mistress like one of the founders. (Personally, I have the impression that a pensieve is a very rare artifact. It may even be the only one.).

Of course I can be wrong about the basin being a Pensieve! Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and to defend such opinions. (If I had a problem with that, I wouldn't be here!)

well, now you put the description of the pensive, I start seeng it that way...anyway, we won't found out till the 16th...Yes, a convert! :lol: Just teasing!

It is getting closer, isn't it? Soon we will know and not just be making educated guesses based on previous books, interviews and JKR website information. :tu:

i cant see anything! i ges i just dont have the talent!

So you think it would look a lot better if it were sitting on a desk? Or that it should be so small it can't quite be made out? :huh: People have also stated that the contents of the basin should be silvery if it were a Pensieve...but that doesn't fit the color palette Mary Grandpre chose. (Others say the memory holds some spell casting memory of a spell with green light...).

The basin has to be doing something. Otherwise Harry and Dumbledore wouldn't be looking into it, they aren't staring at a "blank screen" so to speak. They seem very intrigued/interested in the contents. Personally, I don't think staring into a potion would cause those particular expressions on their faces. I also wouldn't want to brew a potion in a basin, especially not one that's cracked! There is no room for flames and we have not yet encountered a 'cold brew'...all the potions have required heating (dangerous to do with an unsound vessel, just ask Percy! :lol: ).

Dumbledore's office is a bit crowded in some places--lots of spindly tables and small silver instruments. It also has rows of cabinets and shelves, plus a special area for Fawkes. We have watched him conjure needed items (especially chairs). Dumbledore could conjure a pedestal in order to have Harry beside him when showing the basin's contents, rather than have Harry on the opposite side of his desk. It would be very easy for him to do...

If one thinks the basin on the cover is too large to be the one described in the books (rather than artist's perspective to make it interesting/important), maybe it is an even older pensieve that belonged to a former headmaster/mistress like one of the founders. (Personally, I have the impression that a pensieve is a very rare artifact. It may even be the only one.).

Of course I can be wrong about the basin being a Pensieve! Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and to defend such opinions. (If I had a problem with that, I wouldn't be here!)

Yes, a convert! :lol: Just teasing!

It is getting closer, isn't it? Soon we will know and not just be making educated guesses based on previous books, interviews and JKR website information. :tu:

No Nicole I was referring to its apparent size. It may be a pensieve. Another object which we have not seen in the series is a scrying bowl where one can see what is happening elsewhere. And yes the contents of the pensieve in Dumbledore's office is described as silvery. I don't think an artist would change that to green but I won't say they won't either.

Lets move away from the pensieve for awhile shall we?
Good. Now about the swirling fire around Harry and Dumbledore- couldn't it be possible that it was conjured by Dumbledore with Harry's help (the hands clasped together surrounded by rings of fire)...
Because if you look at the cover carefully you'll find that both their wands are glowing and they are staring at something in front of them...MAYBE THE FIRE IS PROTECTING THEM!!!

Lets move away from the pensieve for awhile shall we?
Good. Now about the swirling fire around Harry and Dumbledore- couldn't it be possible that it was conjured by Dumbledore with Harry's help (the hands clasped together surrounded by rings of fire)...
Because if you look at the cover carefully you'll find that both their wands are glowing and they are staring at something in front of them...MAYBE THE FIRE IS PROTECTING THEM!!!

I agree the fire may be for protection, such as going through the forbidden forest where the Acromantula live. But the hands clasped together appear to be bound by a rope rather than fire. Maybe it is just my eyes but when I look at the large image, the hands do not seem to be surrounded by fire.

Oh and I just looked back at the covers of the other US editions. Each showed a scene that was entirely new to the reader. It was something or someplace that had not been introduced before (unless my memory is going bad). The Chamber of Secrets shows Harry holding the tail of a Phoenix and a chamber with snakes emblems; The Prisoner of Askaban shows Harry and Hermione riding Buckbeak with Sirius waiting in the window (I presume that is Sirius), The Goblet of Fire shows Harry with his wand with 3 people and a dog's head behind him and he is standing behind what seems to be a series of spikes (a dragon spines) and on back is the Thresthrals pulling the coach. Order of the Phoenix shows Harry in the round room at the Ministry of Magic on front.

Hmm.. In the stand up of the HBP cover and I noticed that the Dark Mark was over buildings. So, maybe it is over the buildings in Hogsmeade, if one of the Hogwarts kids got killed in one of their trips there? Of course, it could something like Diagon's Alley, or, Spinner's End?

Hmm.. In the stand up of the HBP cover and I noticed that the Dark Mark was over buildings. So, maybe it is over the buildings in Hogsmeade, if one of the Hogwarts kids got killed in one of their trips there? Of course, it could something like Diagon's Alley, or, Spinner's End?


Are you talking about a promotional item at one of the bookstores?

Hmm.. In the stand up of the HBP cover and I noticed that the Dark Mark was over buildings. So, maybe it is over the buildings in Hogsmeade, if one of the Hogwarts kids got killed in one of their trips there? Of course, it could something like Diagon's Alley, or, Spinner's End? The promotional stand art is actually being discussed in this thread, here in Divination...
Hints about HBP on the promotional stand ?? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=48667&highlight=promotional+stand)

Are you talking about a promotional item at one of the bookstores?
Yepperz.

Hi guys...I'm new.

I was looking at the US special edition cover from Veritaserum and to get a better look at it I copied and pasted it into paint on my computer. Does anyone else see that theres a person sitting in the background on a tree branch? They're right above the 'pri' in prince. Sorry if it has been mentioned already.

Hi guys...I'm new.

I was looking at the US special edition cover from Veritaserum and to get a better look at it I copied and pasted it into paint on my computer. Does anyone else see that theres a person sitting in the background on a tree branch? They're right above the 'pri' in prince. Sorry if it has been mentioned already.

I for one had missed it. I have all the covers in Photoshop but hadn't noticed that. I blew it up for those who want a view.

Deluxe Cover - Person in Tree (http://timnew.com/temp/hbpcover-deluxe1.jpg)

I don't know if anyone else has thought of this, but on the UK Adult Cover, it shows a book that says "Advanced Potion Making." My personal guess is that Harry gets an E or higher on his potion OWL, and learns how to make a Pensieve potion in Snape's NEWT class. Then, after he creates a pensieve, he removes the memory of his parents death from his head, and he and Dumbledore view it, possibly noticing an important detail. I personally think this detail would be how the curse reflected off Harry, and the exact details of what happened to Voldemort that prevented him from dying.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/343/hbpwriting5op.jpg
I played around with it. It doesn't look like letters really.

I was skimming this thread and the first word that came to mind when seeing this image was 'Severus'

By th way i'm not a fangirl or a Snape lover at all quite the opposite actually.

I'm new here and this is my very first post... I hope it doesn't sound overly idiotic...

Alright... I've been looking at the American cover art(the one with the DD and HP staring into the basin), and I've come up with a few things... Bear with me, as chances are this stuff has been mentioned already, but I don't really have time to skim through 48 pages of posts... Anyways, here goes:

First of all, the basin seems to me to fit the description Dumbledore's Pensieve perfectly... I honestly have no clue why it's on a pillar or where that pillar is, however...

One thing that I want to point out is the fact that Harry's wand is not only in hand, it is at the ready.

This really got me thinking... Why exactly would he need his wand at the ready to simply look into DD's Pensieve? As far as we know, viewing a memory through the Pensieve does not allow you to interact with that memory in any way. Perhaps someone(from either side - Voldemort or Dumbledore) has figured out a way to successfully interact with memories viewed in a pensieve... Perhaps Dumbledore and/or Harry is/are about to do this... Or perhaps Voldemort has found a way to do it and intends to go back in time through a pensieve(not Dumbledore's, obviously) to determine exactly why his spell backfired and change history. We know that messing with time has terrible consequences, but what other wizard besides Voldemort would have the guts to do it???

Or, perhaps Harry and Dumbledore anticipate something coming out of the pensieve...

On the contrary, his wand may simply be in that position because he had just removed the memories from his head and placed them into the pensieve...

I apologize if this sounds stupid or if it has already been mentioned... I just have a strange feeling about Harry's wand being at the ready... Like he's ready to duel or something...

On edit: Also, after examining the boat scene, it seems as though someone is reflected in the water as being inside the boat... Obviously there is no one that we can see clearly in the boat, but does anyone know if there's any type of magic that makes you invisible to the naked eye, yet visible in a reflection?

:welcome: Stumper67 good theory I don't agree however i think the only way to time travle would be with a time turner and I have to ask why Voldemort hasn't though of this. Guessing he doesn't want the same thing to happen.

Does anyone else see that theres a person sitting in the background on a tree branch? They're right above the 'pri' in prince.

No all i see is a tree with aa very knobbaly branch wiht vines and maby a bit of moss over it.

On edit: Also, after examining the boat scene, it seems as though someone is reflected in the water as being inside the boat... Obviously there is no one that we can see clearly in the boat, but does anyone know if there's any type of magic that makes you invisible to the naked eye, yet visible in a reflection?


:welcome: welcome to the forum!!

i have noticed that too, and it seems as if it's hiding of something...but have no clue why it is reflected in the water... :shrug:

Ok posting in the little thing thread and I though of this:

as most people now beleve it is a pensive in the picture, and they are looking at a memory, what if it was DD memory of how he stoped, vanquished, killed Grindewald(SP?)

what do peple think?

chances are this stuff has been mentioned already, but I don't really have time to skim through 48 pages of posts...So...you just want us to read your ideas while you ignore ours? :huh:
what if it was DD memory of how he stoped, vanquished, killed Grindewald(SP?)Any particular reason why? Grindelwald is a nobody. On the same Chocolate Frog card it says Dumbledore loves chamber music (yet he hires the popular Weird Sisters for the Yule Ball) and ten pin bowling (never seen him do this, don't really expect to, either). No one close to him seems to admire Dumbledore for the feat of defeating Grindelwald. Never brought up by Minerva, Severus or Hagrid. Never passed around the school as a rumor/quasi-legend.

I really don't see Harry continuing to take History of Magic (lack of interest, poor teacher and lousy OWL score), so maybe, just maybe, if Hermione continues to take History and Binns ever gets to the 20th century...we will hear of ol' Grindelwald again through her.

We know Voldemort is worse, he's the most evil wizard in a century. Grindelwald was defeated in 1945.
Or, perhaps Harry and Dumbledore anticipate something coming out of the pensieve... Dumbledore viewed Bertha Jorkins that way, her figure rose from the pensieve.
As far as we know, viewing a memory through the Pensieve does not allow you to interact with that memory in any way.Emphasis on as far as we know. I think the pensieve has other uses than what we have seen so far. Mostly we have seen Harry enter the pensieve, but we have also seen Bertha rise in a 'hologram' form and faces speaking from the surface. Dumbledore says it's a way to review thoughts and make connections not noticed before putting the thoughts in...If there is to be any review of thoughts (or reviewing of memories), Dumbledore will have to teach Harry a few things about the Pensieve--like how to get back out on his own, maybe...

Ok posting in the little thing thread and I though of this:

as most people now beleve it is a pensive in the picture, and they are looking at a memory, what if it was DD memory of how he stoped, vanquished, killed Grindewald(SP?)

what do peple think?

Actually you have a valid point, Harry is facing a task similar to Dumbledore's. Dumbledore vanquished the last "great dark" wizard before Voldemort. It is probably one of the reasons Voldemort fears Dumbledore. Harry now faces a similar conflict albeit one with perhaps challenges Dumbledore didn't face (we don't know because we haven't heard that story yet). People throughout the magical world consider Dumbledore as a superman of wizards. They respect him because he is so formidable and knowledgable. Undoubtedly the defeat of Grindelwald is a feat that in part made that reputation.

As for the Pensieve theory itself I raised the question a few posts ago:

Oh and I just looked back at the covers of the other US editions. Each showed a scene that was entirely new to the reader. It was something or someplace that had not been introduced before (unless my memory is going bad). The Chamber of Secrets shows Harry holding the tail of a Phoenix and a chamber with snakes emblems; The Prisoner of Askaban shows Harry and Hermione riding Buckbeak with Sirius waiting in the window (I presume that is Sirius), The Goblet of Fire shows Harry with his wand with 3 people and a dog's head behind him and he is standing behind what seems to be a series of spikes (a dragon spines) and on back is the Thresthrals pulling the coach. Order of the Phoenix shows Harry in the round room at the Ministry of Magic on front.

If this is a pensieve (or at least if it is Dumbledore's pensieve), it would be the first time would it not that the covers did not introduce a new object, person or place? The first time we are not introduced to a "previous" unknown? Correct me if I am wrong.

Do we know how old Dumbledore is?

Do we know how old Dumbledore is?DD is approximately 150 years old..

Has anyone seen artwork from in the book?

Has anyone seen artwork from in the book?No, the US chapter art has not been released yet.

I was looking at the adult UK cover for the HBP and I noticed something.. why is the Advanced Potion Making book all beat up? It looks almost second hand. Why would Harry have a second book? He has a small fortune, doesn't he? Maybe its Ron's, which means Ron may be trying to be an Auror. Then I noticed something else. There's a name tag on it! I can't make out the name, though. Maybe someone else can zoom in on it and make it out?
Edit: I think it is impossible make out that name tag. I got cross-eyed trying!

I was looking at the adult UK cover for the HBP and I noticed something.. why is the Advanced Potion Making book all beat up? It looks almost second hand. Why would Harry have a second book? He has a small fortune, doesn't he? Maybe its Ron's, which means Ron may be trying to be an Auror. Then I noticed something else. There's a name tag on it! I can't make out the name, though. Maybe someone else can zoom in on it and make it out?
Edit: I think it is impossible make out that name tag. I got cross-eyed trying!


I suggested earlier that the book was from the Library. Students are always looking at books there and this year Harry and his crew will have legal access to the restricted section

I was looking at the adult UK cover for the HBP and I noticed something.. why is the Advanced Potion Making book all beat up? It looks almost second hand! Why would Harry have a second book? He has a small fortune, doesn't he? Maybe its Ron's. Then I noticed something else. There's a name tag on it! I can't make out the name, though. Maybe someone else can zoom in on it and make it out? There's nothing legible on the tag...here's a link to a large pic of the Adult cover (http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=hbpadult.jpg)...

It could be anyone's book...incidentally, on the Dev of Sev (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=51667&page=50&pp=20) thread, they discovered this same book was a prop in the CoS movie...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/snapepotionsHBPcoverbook.jpg

Yep, could be anyone's book, and i'm probably wrong! :D

i think that the U.S.A hardcover art features what could possibly be the death pf dumbledore (which i strongly dissagree with) and harry finally getting to know the truth about what really went down with his parents and Voldemort

Um, has anyone looked at the extended version of the cover of the UK edition? There's a link to it on mugglenet.

Um, has anyone looked at the extended version of the cover of the UK edition? There's a link to it on mugglenet.
Yea I saw it. What's the image printed on anyway? A big sticker or a poster etc?

Hmm. I'm not sure what it's printed on it looks sort of like a sticker or patch or something.

who is on the bottom left casting the spell at Harry and DD?

edit: bottom right --looks like a female, I am not used to UK illustrator.....

who is on the bottom left casting the spell at Harry and DD?

edit: bottom right --looks like a female, I am not used to UK illustrator.....
There's no-one else in the picture but DD and Harry.

Um, has anyone looked at the extended version of the cover of the UK edition? There's a link to it on mugglenet.


If you mean the UK Children's edition, you can see (download) the full image on Bloomsbury.com just go to News and the link to the back cover should get you where you can download. It is the complete Jacket, front and back

You know guys, I'm not sure that the stone basin thing is the pensieve, it's probably the most logical idea, but the US artist has drawn the pensieve before. It's in OotP Chapter 28 Snape's Worst Memory. The basin that was drawn there was plain and ordinary looking. Though maybe the artist had to spice it up if she wanted to put it on the front cover of HBP. This is all making my brain hurt. Of course that just might be from the excitement for the book.

I'm just wondering but has anyone thought of speculating that the fire-rope-thing emitting from Dumbledore's wand is the same spell he used at the Ministry of Magic in Order of the Phoenix against Voldemort? It could be some kind of protection spell. JKR is good at letting little things like that come up and then not mention them again until there is something more important to it.
Just curious.

There's no-one else in the picture but DD and Harry.


Small in the background....just to the right of the big ball of light.

If I am looking at what you are referring to it looks to me to be Dumbledore's boot. I transfered the picture to Paint (not the greatest program for enhancement but it gets the job done) and cut out that section and blew it up and then you can make out the heel and strap and stuff.

I'm just wondering but has anyone thought of speculating that the fire-rope-thing emitting from Dumbledore's wand is the same spell he used at the Ministry of Magic in Order of the Phoenix against Voldemort? It could be some kind of protection spell. JKR is good at letting little things like that come up and then not mention them again until there is something more important to it.
Just curious.
Hmmm. That's plausible. As for the woman casting the spell or whatever, does anyone have a blown up version because I can't really see clearly in the small one on mugglenet. But I think it's just DD's shoe.

Does anyone have any idea what the ball of bright light is? Or where it is being conjured from? And from whom? So many questions........

I on the other hand, have no idea.

the big ball of white light ? hehehe thts just the flash of the camera which took the picture, honestly trust me the white light means nothing. its because of the type of paper its in its reflected the light back.

for example, take a picture of one of your music cds and there should be the same white light in ur picture :D

....

heres the picture
http://www.harrypotterfanzone.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=810&fullsize=1

from this picture we can clearly see tht its dumbledore conjuring the spell.
however if u look at harrys left hand, it looks like he is holding sumthing.....other wand, staff ?????? wot do U think ?

You know guys, I'm not sure that the stone basin thing is the pensieve, it's probably the most logical idea, but the US artist has drawn the pensieve before. It's in OotP Chapter 28 Snape's Worst Memory. The basin that was drawn there was plain and ordinary looking. Though maybe the artist had to spice it up if she wanted to put it on the front cover of HBP. This is all making my brain hurt. Of course that just might be from the excitement for the book.

Anne since every cover has always introduced something new that we the readers have not seen before, I also have my doubts about the pensieve theory but until now I was basing upon 1) the fact the pensieve should be smaller than the objects on the covers and they are never described as being on any pedestals. It is just a shallow concrete basin with runes around the rim. It sat on a shelf in Dumbledore's office and later on Snape's desk, and 2) no US cover has ever depicted a familiar scene or object. Every cover introduced something which we learn about only in that book, not previous books.

the big ball of white light ? hehehe thts just the flash of the camera which took the picture, honestly trust me the white light means nothing. its because of the type of paper its in its reflected the light back.

for example, take a picture of one of your music cds and there should be the same white light in ur picture :D

....

heres the picture
http://www.harrypotterfanzone.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=810&fullsize=1

from this picture we can clearly see tht its dumbledore conjuring the spell.
however if u look at harrys left hand, it looks like he is holding sumthing.....other wand, staff ?????? wot do U think ?


I played with it in Photoshop. It appears to just be Dumbledore's robe with a glow on it from the fire. Harry's Left hand is behind the fire and not visible. I agree the bright white ball is from using a flash on the camera when the picture was taken and the light reflecting back. It isn't part of the image itself.

And I always said I thought the fire was protection but I hadn't thought aout the Dumbledore - Voldemort duel. It could be the same magic.... Maybe Dumbledore teaches DADA this time himself.... or at least to Harry

I'm sure someone has all ready said it, but the potions book is advanced, so I think Harry must have at least gotten into advanced potions and probably got all owls he needed

I'm sure someone has all ready said it, but the potions book is advanced, so I think Harry must have at least gotten into advanced potions and probably got all owls he needed

It is also Old imdicating it may be from the restricted section of the Library so it may not indicate Harry is taking advanced Potions. He and his 2 musketeers may be looking up an important potion in the Library.

But we know at least one advanced potion will be involved in Book 6

Thanks for the explanation about the ball of white light - that had me confused! It looks as if it's a different spell coming from the other wand Harry's holding... if we can reject the fire as being a camera flash, we're still left with that wand. Why would Harry have two wands at once? Is it even possible to work one spell with each hand, using two wands? Of course we can't see the hand holding it; perhaps someone else is behind Harry - on the floor, probably - and so all of them is hidden by Harry and the flames, but you can see their wand being thrust forward. This seems far-fetched to me...

Another solution would be that Harry's wand has been broken or damaged, so someone threw him another one to carry on with - that would be why one is dangling from his left hand, unused, while the other is being held up ready for use by his wand arm.

Thanks for the explanation about the ball of white light - that had me confused! It looks as if it's a different spell coming from the other wand Harry's holding... if we can reject the fire as being a camera flash, we're still left with that wand. Why would Harry have two wands at once? Is it even possible to work one spell with each hand, using two wands? Of course we can't see the hand holding it; perhaps someone else is behind Harry - on the floor, probably - and so all of them is hidden by Harry and the flames, but you can see their wand being thrust forward. This seems far-fetched to me...

Another solution would be that Harry's wand has been broken or damaged, so someone threw him another one to carry on with - that would be why one is dangling from his left hand, unused, while the other is being held up ready for use by his wand arm.
What you refer to as another wand is simple the edge of Dumbledores cloak or whatever it is he is wearing. You see the same color and such all along the edge of his garment. It is simple due to its proximity to Harry that makes you think it is a wand. As far as I can tell, Harry's left hand is behind fire and what you see descending below the fire is not a wand but the edge of that garment.

I think its just Harry and Dumbledore fighting Lord Voldemort.

What you refer to as another wand is simple the edge of Dumbledores cloak or whatever it is he is wearing. You see the same color and such all along the edge of his garment. It is simple due to its proximity to Harry that makes you think it is a wand. As far as I can tell, Harry's left hand is behind fire and what you see descending below the fire is not a wand but the edge of that garment.

Is it? Thanks, that makes a lot of sense! It still looks like a wand to me, but it being the edge of cloak is much more plausible!

If you trace the spiral of fire around Harry and Dumbledore on the UK Children's cover it's pretty clear that the fire is coming from Dumbledore's wand.

It starts behind Harry, just above his wand. Moves up to the right. There's a section missing, Then it comes across in front of Dumbledore and Harry, then circles up behind them (with a small section missing right above Dumbledore's head, and attaches to his wand.

(I can't believe I'm doing this instead of playing Sims2. :p )

Are we gonna have to wait until the book is out to see the back of the us cover? Just wondering

i think that the fire is some sort of protection and that the pensieve it's a metaphor

are they standing on something or just hanging in the air?

I was looking at the UK childrens cover just now, and I think that the basin thingy is reflected in Harry's glasses. Anybody else see it?

i think that the fire is some sort of protection and that the pensieve it's a metaphor

A metaphor? I think the book covers always always display something that is actually happening. There may be metaphors in book six, but why would you want to draw one?

This new UK extended cover picture is awesome! We couldn't tell before, because the cover pic is cropped, but now we can be absolutely sure (I think) that it is Dumbledore himself who is casting the flame spell. Therefore I think it is highly likely it's the same spell he used at the MoM. Another interesting thing: Though before, it looked like he was wearing black robes, we now see that Harry is wearing jeans! Although the movies tell us differently (but who cares about them!), in the books, students always wear robes at Hogwarts, whether they are in class or not, except possibly during the Christmas holidays. So either this scene is happening before the school year starts, or at Christmas, or Harry had some other reason to change out of his robes (Or the illustrator didn't think of that.)

nowhere in the books does it say that students don't wear regular clothes in the school. Also it is clear that dumbledore is attacking harry and harry is surprised.

nowhere in the books does it say that students don't wear regular clothes in the school. Also it is clear that dumbledore is attacking harry and harry is surprised.It may appear that way to you, but to myself and others it appears that DD is casting a spell to protect Harry, not harm him. Besides if Harry is surprised at DDs supposed attack, I'm pretty sure he would be looking at DD in shock, not looking away from him.

It may appear that way to you, but to myself and others it appears that DD is casting a spell to protect Harry, not harm him. Besides if Harry is surprised at DDs supposed attack, I'm pretty sure he would be looking at DD in shock, not looking away from him.

uhmm well maybe the cover doesn't depict the start or ending of what is going on

I just started another thread, but I think this is probably a better place for it.

I was just flipping through Chamber of Secrets and found something interesting. On page 306 of the American paperback, Harry has just entered the Chamber and

"he was standing at the end of a very long, dimly lit chamber. Towering stone pillars entwined with more carved serpents rose to support a ceiling lost in the darkness, casting long, black shadows through the odd, greenish gloom that filled the place."

And as we all know, on the American cover of HBP, Harry and Dumbledore are surrounded by a green mist, or a "greenish gloom" if you will. Similarly, the back of the UK edition also had this green glow. On both covers it seems to be coming from the pensieve-like basin.

Do you think this means that in HBP, Harry could once again journey into the Chamber of Secrets, this time with Dumbledore?

like i said before nice theorie, but what else could be inside the chamber, Salazar''s ghosts maybe, because, only people who don'want to die become ghosts, and by the sounds of it Salazar Slythering is not a person who would like to die.

Demented I think that is an excellent idea :tu: . It would make since that there would be more secrets in the chamber simply because of it's name- The Chamber of Secrets Note that is plural not singular. This is a very good assumption that I feel rather stupid for over looking. We are never told how large the chamber is. After all, if Salazar Slytherin was gone for a pretty good length of time (sorry for no exact quote of time there) I'm sure he could construct more that a single chamber.

Dumbledore will likely be frightened in this scene, as in the MoM battle because Harry is so neear Voldemort.

From The Leaky Cauldron (http://www.bwibooks.com/hp62.htm), some photos of HBP being processed and shipped...it does show the back cover art of the US HBP, but it's not really discernable. Check it out for yourselves.

easy as cake, just like pie. dumbledoor dies, harry lives, maybe sees some of dumbledoor's thoughts from before his death which explain some.

It seems from the photo that on the back cover there is a group of people watching Harry and DD at the basin...

thoughts?

From The Leaky Cauldron (http://www.bwibooks.com/hp62.htm), some photos of HBP being processed and shipped...it does show the back cover art of the US HBP, but it's not really discernable. Check it out for yourselves.
I just looked at that link and the back looks like the lower portion of the promotional stand.Ron,Hermione and Ginny/Lily with the dark mark over their heads.I think it was the promotional stand for Barnes & Noble.

I just looked at that link and the back looks like the lower portion of the promotional stand.Ron,Hermione and Ginny/Lily with the dark mark over their heads.I think it was the promotional stand for Barnes & Noble.

yeah it is, but now I'm sure is ginny cause lily can't be standing next to ron and hermione if she's dead, so where could this dark mark be? hope not over the burrow :sad:

maybe one of them will die in the upcoming book or in the end of this one