Picko June 18th, 2005, 2:32 pm First version here (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=11340) :)
Ahh Bellatrix - if she dies it will be a moment rejoiced by HP fans everywhere, or so I'm inclined to believe.
There are many candidates to take her down, Neville, Harry, the Order. Perhaps Lord Voldemort will just get bored one day and finish her off to keep himself occupied. The point of this thread is to discuss all the possibilities.
The last post in version one was:
Does it have to be one person? It could be both Harry and Neville together, the trio, or the lil six Order members in training.
Oh, and ispep, I think the thought of DD torturing even Bella is terrifying. DD is much too wise and sagacious to deign to torture, no matter how horrible the person. I am sure that he recognizes that even the murder of someone awful is still a terrible thing to have to do, and that he would have enough respect and enough of a conscious to make it quick and to the point. Afterall, LV has always been known for his terrible torturous ways, and isn't that what puts people like DD and Harry above him?
Continue :)
Bill_Armaorum June 18th, 2005, 2:38 pm Well first off I'm hoping that Neville is the one to get Bella, which means kill her OR bring her in alive, and this is possible as long as he continues to improve as a wizard like he did in OotP and the right situation comes along. As for possibilities, well it could be anybody, even Voldemort or another deatheater who kill her because of a failure on her part.
And I also agree that DD would never torture Bella or any other person, he'd always kill them off if the situation is hopeless, or bring them in alive when possible, like Moody.
Dumbledore29 June 18th, 2005, 2:50 pm :evil: I don't now if Neville would be smart enough to kill someone, but I hope he plays a major part. :evil:
Picko June 18th, 2005, 2:51 pm :evil: I don't now if Neville would be smart enough to kill someone, but I hope he plays a major part. :evil:
The last time I checked being able to kill someone didn't require a particularly high IQ.
Dumbledore29 June 18th, 2005, 3:03 pm Really?!?
I'm so stupid...
Bill_Armaorum June 18th, 2005, 3:05 pm The last time I checked being able to kill someone didn't require a particularly high IQ.
Well the purpose of intellegence testing and IQ is to predict how well someone could learn new material, so if you have a good IQ you could learn new spells easier, which could increase your chance of killing someone. Unless you just beat her to death or something, that wouldn't require intellegence at all.
Phoenixette June 18th, 2005, 3:18 pm I think Neville seeing Bellatrix in OotP will make him more eager to learn more defensive and offensive spells. I think with some positive imput from the new DADA teacher and Harry, he will try to take her on. I don't know if he will succeed. I personally think he will come fact to face with her and try to curse her and she will get to him first and knock him unconscious. Harry will witness it and get very angry and kill her. I think that will be his first kill. But I think that Neville is every bit capable of learning and being able to perform more difficult spells because he played a big part of the fight down in the Department of Mysteries. I think that boosted his confidence.
HP_He_Lived June 18th, 2005, 3:35 pm I would like Neville to get Bella and I feel he will be stronger because he will have a new wand which will suit him - his was broken in the DoM - and he will want revenge for what she done to his parents but will he be able to kill or harm her?
DayVirgo June 18th, 2005, 4:08 pm Neville killing Bella for revenge? I don't think so. Harry tried to do that, but it didn't work out to well (remember, Bella also killed Sirius). I just don't see it as a part of Neville's character to kill her out of his hate for her. But, if he that inclined and did try to go after her, I don't think his intelligence is an issue. In fact, I believe that Neville is quite smart and lets his nerves get the better of him in most situations, with his lessons in Potions being at the most extreme (especially because of Snape . . . . imagine if Professor Sprout were to teach potions. He would be top in the class if she was there).
RedHeadRiot June 18th, 2005, 4:53 pm The last time I checked being able to kill someone didn't require a particularly high IQ.
lol sorry that made me laugh.
anyway i stand by my origional post.
i think you-know-who will. im hoping she does something stupid...or lets someone slip through her grasp. we know he has a thing for punishing those who fail him. well i think it would be a lovely (in an ironic way) for her to be tortured by him until she is reduced to maddness.
remember dumbledore said there are worse things then death...
she would be incapassitated by the 1 man she serves
she would be forced to live the same fate as neville's parents
i think death is being too nice. she "killed" sirius and drove the longbottoms to maddness. & what better way to make her suffer then at the hand of the person she serves!
oh how i love good irony!
xX_raindropXx June 18th, 2005, 5:08 pm The end of Bellatrix belongs to one person or thing actually, a Dementor.
But I believe either Neville will capture Bellatrix or he will destroy her.
lil fall o rain June 18th, 2005, 5:15 pm I'm inclined to say Neville, because he has a grudge because she made his parents end up in the terminal insanity unit of St. Mungos. Or maybe if his parents are somehow cured (though unlikely)they will get her.
saphirablack June 18th, 2005, 5:16 pm think about it neville killing bella is not only too obvious but neville killing bella would only be decending to her level i also belive that neville wouldn't be able to live with killing someone on his conscience
RemusLupinFan June 18th, 2005, 5:32 pm I also stand by my original post:
I rather hope that Bellatrix will impale herself on her own wand, so to speak. I also don't like the idea of Neville becoming a killer as in going after Bellatrix to seek revenge. I don't think Neville will really face Bellatrix again though, considering he already faced her once in OotP and the worst he was trying to do was stun her. So I don't think he has it in him to seek Bellatrix out for revenge. The same things goes for both Harry and Lupin, both of whom were wronged by Bellatrix when she killed Sirius. However, I don't believe they will seek vengeance on her either. But I do think it's possible that any one of the Order members could end up killing her in self-defence. But in any case, I hope she meets her just desserts.
Derfel June 18th, 2005, 6:19 pm I think Harry Potter will kill Bellatrix for revenge. Muwahahahaha.
outoftheveil June 18th, 2005, 6:24 pm I think its a possibility that Bellatrix will make an irreperable mistake and Voldemort will end up kiiling her...too far fetched? Ok...Harry'll do it.
Glustin June 18th, 2005, 6:26 pm I also stand by my original post:
I rather hope that Bellatrix will impale herself on her own wand, so to speak. I also don't like the idea of Neville becoming a killer as in going after Bellatrix to seek revenge. I don't think Neville will really face Bellatrix again though, considering he already faced her once in OotP and the worst he was trying to do was stun her. So I don't think he has it in him to seek Bellatrix out for revenge. The same things goes for both Harry and Lupin, both of whom were wronged by Bellatrix when she killed Sirius. However, I don't believe they will seek vengeance on her either. But I do think it's possible that any one of the Order members could end up killing her in self-defence. But in any case, I hope she meets her just desserts.
I totally agree with you, i honestly dont want Neville to lower himself to a death eater's level, and i truly wish Bella dies in a painful way provoked by herself or even Voldemort, or even better, have her survive the war to see her beloved Voldy reduced to ashes and everything she dreamed of destroyed, and lives many years to suffer all her losses. ITs a afair punishment.
Kimagine June 18th, 2005, 6:39 pm My feeling is that, since Azkaban is out -- LV is going to get the Dementors over to his side and, anyway, the place really wasn't much of a punishment for Bellatrix -- death is probably the only way she is going to go. I mean, she's a complete zealot, and doesn't seem to have problems killing anyone -- kids, family members, you name it. I think it will come down to "kill or be killed". Given this, who is most likely to do it?
Well, Neville has the hatred in him. Loveable as he is, it's not a stretch. One can't really blame him. And perhaps Neville's going to be, well, a major casualty in this war. We know that when he's really angry -- which it takes a lot to do, incidentally -- he's willing and eager to jump right into the fray, and isn't afraid to take lumps.
Should he do this with Bellatrix, he will likely not get through it with a just a bloody lip.
But would he be strong enough to take her down?
Well, he does know the forbidden curses. I wouldn't be surprised, but then, in some ways, I might.
lethally_blonde June 18th, 2005, 6:43 pm The point made earlier about Harry trying to curse Bellatrix not working beccause it was just rightous anger may not apply to Nevile. He has had his turmoil brewing inside him for all his life. I think he will be the one to get Bellatrix or he will battle her well enough to destract her and she will be killed by another deatheaters curse.
RedHeadRiot June 18th, 2005, 6:45 pm I think its a possibility that Bellatrix will make an irreperable mistake and Voldemort will end up kiiling her...too far fetched?
not at all! thats what ive been saying all along! she'll mess up & he will get her. maybe not kill...but seriously damage. i would actually like to see her alive, just so she can suffer the rest of her life. cruel? yes. but look what shes done to other people.
Paul June 18th, 2005, 9:18 pm I think that she will get smoked by Voldy for messing something important up.
Sol_Lyric June 18th, 2005, 9:38 pm I think it will end up coming down to Harry getting her wand away from her and the Neville pionting his wand in her face. Then she'll probably call out for Voldemort and Harry and Neville will have to make a chioce: should Neville kill her before or after Voldemort gets there? What happens if they wait a second longer? Voldemort shows up and starts battling Harry...okay I got way too carried away. Basically Harry gets Bellatrix's wand. Neville has Bellatrix coverd. She panicks and both Harry and Neville subconciously decide that even though she's foul she's not worth the effort. Voldemort comes and is disgusted by her behavior so he kills her and fights Harry.
PostScript: If anyone said something likethis I appologize.
rashmee_rathi June 18th, 2005, 9:57 pm Er....what about Lupin??....Bella killed Sirius....so who knows?
come to think of that..
maybe even Wormtail!!
Dumbledore29 June 19th, 2005, 12:37 am That would be an interesting thing, but James was killed by Voldemort. :huh:
gabrielle_004 June 19th, 2005, 1:28 am I kind of say it like this:
- Voldemort and Harry will have to battle the final battle
- Bellatrix is Voldemort's right hand "man" and Ron is Harry's, so Bellatrix and Ron would fight first before Harry and LV
But now that I've read some posts, it would make a LOT more sense if Neville brings Bellatrix to her end. I guess I just never saw Neville as being "strong" enough, strong enough physically, emotionally, or magically. But in OotP, Neville did prove himself to be quite the character, I was really surprised! I didn't know he had it in him! So yes, I think it's between Ron or Neville, or maybe just cuz she's a girl, Hermione
soaringraven June 19th, 2005, 1:59 am Either Neville or Voldemort will bring Bellatrix down... it just makes a lot of sense. I also can see another Death Eater like Lucius Malfoy either cursing her or reporting her to Voldemort for seriously screwing up. A lot of the Death Eaters are probably loyal only to Voldemort and none of the other Death Eaters... so if anyone messed up, some other Death Eater would probably report it to Voldemort, who would then deal with the person. I can just see Neville having a part in Bellatrix's downfall, though, no matter how small or big it is. I don't see Harry playing a major part in his downfall, unless he defeats Voldemort and then Bellatrix gets the dementor's kiss in Azkaban.
Sorry if this was already posted or if anyone said anything like to this.
Dumbledore29 June 19th, 2005, 3:37 am Yeah, Harry's list of people too kill is full already :evil:
Welcome to the forums, soaringraven :)
Hedwig50 June 19th, 2005, 6:36 am I think she will find herself fighting Harry when Neville comes up from behind her and zaps her into dust.
She's is very good at dueling, and I think it will take both of them to take her down.
Dumbledore29 June 19th, 2005, 7:04 am :evil: :eyebrows: Ha ha ha thats a good theory.
That would be funny :eyebrows:
Dumbledore29 June 19th, 2005, 12:45 pm Yeah, Neville would be trying really hard to kill her, and Harry comes out of no-where and ZAP!
Fried Bellatrix anyone?
Why did it split itself?
Dog_star June 19th, 2005, 3:52 pm maybe Lupin? I mean Sirius was like a brother to him. Theres gonna be some anger there. hmm maybe he rips her apart when he's a wearwolf? mind that would be too nice a way to go, she deserves a more painful death than that!
Geolil June 19th, 2005, 3:55 pm As I stated in my earlier post, I agree w/RedHeadRiot and OutoftheVeil, LV should get her. Maybe not kill her as stated, but torture her by discarding her/not wanting her anymore.
The other option I'm throwing out that would be HIGHLY satisfactory is for the Longbottoms to recover enough to step in front of Neville (as he is ready to get her) and CRUCIO her until she pleads to be killed!
Dumbledore29 June 21st, 2005, 9:03 am Yeah, the ultimate doom, no-one wants her, and she is tortued by voldimort.
I still think Neville should play a part...
Elminefra June 21st, 2005, 12:58 pm I do hope nobody (apart from Voldemort's side) will kill Bellatrix : there are other ways to destroy somebody than killing him. Evil seems always constant : death is equal to nihil, whereas for good "it is but a start". The way to "kill" somebody is to forget he exists, and as long as there would be some fools to admire (Ollivanders) what the DE do, then they would be true ; they search glory, and Voldemort hopes recognition of his outstanding powers (I will finish Harry myself...)
HalfGiant June 21st, 2005, 5:59 pm Everyone would like to see Neville or Harry kill Bellatrix, but I don't know if Harry would have the mental capacity to cope with killing someone. I don't think he could do it.
ANd I could never picture Neville learning to do Avada Kedavra either. But then again...how do we even know if Bellatrix WILL die. If you read the North Tower Entry on Mugglenet, the "Die, Ron die" editorial really proves to be a good explanation of who might die in the future.
Dumbledore29 June 22nd, 2005, 9:21 am I see your point, Harry does not like killing (see what happened to wormtail)
But he does have to kill Voldie in the end so...
Ariane2 June 22nd, 2005, 2:41 pm I see either Harry or Neville getting Bellatrix, Harry for her being responsible for Sirius' death, Neville for her torturing his parents into insanity.
Dumbledore29 June 25th, 2005, 11:50 am I hope that Neville or Voldemort will kill Bellatrix.
Actually, I'm not fussed on who kills her, as long as it is prolonged and painful. :evil:
Jordan June 25th, 2005, 12:00 pm As I said in Neville's parents seem pretty happy (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?p=2480161#post2480161), Neville has enough anger in him to do it.
He had to live with the cruelty of Dark Magic all his life...
halfbludprince June 25th, 2005, 12:17 pm I Hope Neville gets his revenge.
PANTERA June 25th, 2005, 12:26 pm I hope it will be Neville. He has grown SO much. After the OotP he is one of my favourit characters!
T__Riddle June 25th, 2005, 12:37 pm I hope its Neville too, he seems to be coming out of his shell and his magic seems more advanced. Though I still have my doubts, will he ever be strong enough to come up against a DE on his own? Maybe he'll have a little help but I hope he finishes her off. Go Neville!
cshady64 June 25th, 2005, 2:38 pm I would love to see Neville get Bellatrix. It would be portic justice. However, Hermione would be a nice pick too. The Death Eaters are so against muggle-borns that it would be nice to take out one of the most powerful death eaters with the obviously most powerful muggleborn in the books. That woulde have Voldemort scratching his head.
TheRachelbird June 25th, 2005, 2:56 pm I am counting on Neville getting her. If he doesn't, Harry. If neither of them do, I will finish the woman off myself.
Knee June 25th, 2005, 5:12 pm Wouldn't Neville getting Bellatrix be too obvious?
What about Hermione? I like too see a great fight between her and Bella.
EuphoRowan June 25th, 2005, 5:51 pm Trevor! Neville somehow gets Trevor to be Bellatrix's undoing. Don't ask me how, but it's just too good.
starrbryt June 25th, 2005, 8:02 pm I personally hope Neville.
SiriusBlack22 June 25th, 2005, 8:24 pm Since she killed Sirius, I'm thinking that Harry will get her. You know some revenge. :evil:
PANTERA June 25th, 2005, 8:25 pm Yes, I said it should be Neville, but Bellatrix is together with Neville and Snape one of my favourit characters. I think I can't see her die, also if she has done so bad things, that I would like to kill her for myself!
hgrwfan June 25th, 2005, 9:09 pm Perhaps Harry and Neville can kill her together. They both have a very good reason to do it now.
Cerpin Taxt June 25th, 2005, 9:13 pm I'd like to see anyone take her down, personally. Neville killing here/capturing her seems a little too predicatable. But if he does, then I'll be happy. I just hope someone kills her or imprisons her.
And I do have to comment on peoples comments on certain characters not being able to kill, the "lowering of oneself" if they were to kill, and anything like that. While I respect everyone's opinions', I disagree whole-heartedly here. This is a war. People die in a war. People kill in a war. That's just an inevitable part of war. I don't think it's appropiate to call someone who serves justice by killing Bellatrix as being brought down to her level. If oyu don't take people out who kill, torture, or whatever, they're just going to keep doing. Well, at least that's what I think.
Fry_17 July 5th, 2005, 7:46 pm i dont think it will be Neville, Bellatrix has beaten tonks,kingsley in a fight and killed siruis.....not 2 mention escaping Dumbledore. She suceeded in capturing 2 aurors even though she had help. so i dont think neville could beat her....personally i think it will be an adult, or harry potter that takes revenge,whether by taking her life or not
MatthewMazer July 5th, 2005, 7:53 pm Perhaps Neville, Harry, and Lupin could kill Bellatrix in a joint effort?
blitz120 July 6th, 2005, 1:37 am Might I suggest the possibility that Neville will get Bellatrix -- not killing her, not passing her to Azkaban or the Dementor's replacements, but by "transferring" whatever she did to his parents directly to her, and resulting in their healing? THAT would be poetic justice!
gummo July 6th, 2005, 3:46 am If Neville got his hands on Bellatrix and was furious enough to torture or kill her, it could mean a whole lot more mental anguish for him. Murder or torture could really mess him up. Revenge is a scary thing.
The whole scene at the end of Order of the Phoenix when Harry races after Bellatrix in his rage and curses her -- that whole scene is very dark and unsettling to me. That kind of hate being released from someone as pure-hearted as Harry is just plain frightening.
I don't suppose I'll be rejoicing much when Neville kills her, even if it does mean the end of that wretched witch.
missypotter July 6th, 2005, 6:18 am If Neville got his hands on Bellatrix and was furious enough to torture or kill her, it could mean a whole lot more mental anguish for him. Murder or torture could really mess him up. Revenge is a scary thing.
The whole scene at the end of Order of the Phoenix when Harry races after Bellatrix in his rage and curses her -- that whole scene is very dark and unsettling to me. That kind of hate being released from someone as pure-hearted as Harry is just plain frightening.
Well put. I hate to think about any of these kids killing, especially for revenge. Obviously Harry has to kill Voldemort, just to live. There will be the Death Eaters who must die, but the grown ups could do that. I hate to think what would happen to both Neville or Harry if they killed for revenge. Someone said Hermione, fighting is not her forte. :huh:
I would think it is going to have to be Dumbledor. She is too powerful.
BCs_Boadicea July 6th, 2005, 8:57 am I would really like to see Neville be the one to avenge his parents. Can't give all the vengeance to Harry, after all.
phoenixcrazy3 July 6th, 2005, 9:17 am At the end of OotP Harry tried using an Unforgivable Curse on her and I hope he kills her with Avada Kedarva but tortures her before she dies.
PotionA July 6th, 2005, 9:29 am I would've liked to kill Lestrange myself but then...Anyway, Neville might get her. But I think Lestrange is too powerful to get finished off by a school kid. She might be duelling with someone during the final battle and when she sees that her side's losing, she might kill herself. She seems proud enough to do something like that.
merlin455 July 6th, 2005, 9:39 am My guess is that either Harry or Neville will get her in the end. And more probably Neville, as Harry will have to deal with Voldemort himself...
However, here is another possibility. Just a thought...
What if Bellatrix escaped in the end ?
What if Voldemort was destroyed, most of his Death-Eaters killed or captured, but at least one of them - who could be Bellatrix - escaped ?
That way, even though the good side would win, they would still have a nemesis out there... biding her time... And the Dark Side would not be completely destroyed.
EvilRaven July 6th, 2005, 9:46 am Hmmm, either Harry or Neville, or Lupin, or Tonks, in my opinion.
truebluefan July 6th, 2005, 6:16 pm I think Harry wil kill her because I think she will kill Ron and Harry will want revange. It would be like the giant chess game.
PeevesUnleashed July 6th, 2005, 8:35 pm I like merlin455's idea that she some how escapes after the final battle... it would make for a perfect, but not over the top ending. I really don't think it would be much fun to see any of the six kill or tourcher her, just because I don't want to see them resort to her level. But I was thinkin what if Neville's plant (forget whats it called right now) has a power to kill, and he uses to destroy her or something like that.
uinen_bcn July 6th, 2005, 8:40 pm well, interesting topic. In my opinion, nobody's going to kill her. Harry or Neville (maybe both) will catch her, but then, they won't kill netiher torture her. that would make them as her. she will be sent to judgement and imprisoned again.
ElementHPgirl July 6th, 2005, 8:41 pm Hm... who will "get" Bellatrix huh? i dunno, but whoever it is, they need to hurry up cause she's a right little pain. But I hope that Neville takes her down! He needs to avenge his parents. I think that would be really cool.
~Alex :evil:
nau372 July 7th, 2005, 3:19 am I know lots of people think Neville will kill Bellatrix to avenge his parents/Harry will do it to avenge Sirius. But I personally think that Bellatrix won't die at all. Maybe when Harry defeats Voldemort at the end of the 7th book (at least I HOPE that'll happen!!), Bella will continue his following? Because I don't think (or at least I hope not) JKR would end the series with such an obvious archetypal "Good guy defeats bad guy" type thing. I think Bellatrix, as Voldie's most potent follower, would be ideal to show that evil will always exist.
Rustinpat July 7th, 2005, 5:43 am For some funny reason, I think that Ron will get Bellatrix. I think Neville will have a hand in her down fall but it will be Ron who finishes her off.
SuperLorena July 8th, 2005, 6:58 am Honestly I would like Neville to torture the life out of Bellatrix, after all it was her that sucked the life out of his parents. Althought some people think that Neville is not strong enough, I think he'll surprise everyone and himself with all that he can do.
At the same time, Bellatrix did kill Sirius right? So I don't know, maybe Neville and Harry will team up and kill her at the same time or something... That would be fun!! :lol:
gummo July 8th, 2005, 7:15 am You know, as much as I hate to say it, I find Bellatrix to be a more effective villian than Voldemort. There's a scary craziness to her that makes her so much less predictable and so much more dangerous. Voldemort is such an extreme character. He's more or less the cliche "bad guy" who sends his minions out to do his dirty work. In plenty of stories, the minions prove much more interesting. I hope we learn more about Voldemort -- something to make him seem human, even if that's the last thing he wants to be.
In regards to Bellatrix, though -- the best villians keep going and going and going when you want them dead, and I think people are more hungry for her death than for Voldemort's. I wouldn't be particularly surprised if J.K. didn't give us a very satisfying end to her character's story. Plenty of criminals are imprisoned when people cry for the death penalty, as others disappear when they are summoned to jail. It's not always fair, but it's always interesting.
(Not to say that criminals getting away in the real world is "interesting," but in a book like Harry Potter it certainly is.)
However, if it comes down to either Harry or Neville who kills or captures her, I hope it's Neville. If anyone "deserves" revenge, it's him. He's lived most of his life tortured by his parents' fate, while Harry has gone less than a year with the weight of Sirius' death dragging on his heart. Besides, it's a matter of balancing the drama. Harry gets Voldemort and Neville gets Bellatrix.
Now there's a happily ever after.
claret101 July 8th, 2005, 11:04 am Neville to avenge his parents probably. If it was going to be Harry, I think it would have been at the end of OotP, but it's possible. Or Lupin to avenge Sirius.
molly50 July 8th, 2005, 1:44 pm I think it is going to be Neville. This boy has had a lot of rage to keep under wraps and just the little act of keeping the gum wrappers from his mother shows how desperately he will accept any small token of her love for him. I think the plant he grows will be a key in how he will go about this. Neville has a special ability with plants and these plants all seem to be living things that also feel and think. I think Neville will be near to being killed by Bellatrix and Neville's plants will defend him like a loyal pet by strangling her and shooting her full of poisons.
Mrs_Quidditch July 8th, 2005, 1:59 pm Here's my issue. Jo is acutely aware of her characters being children. She works hard at accurately depicting what children behave like in various phases of development. Do you think she'll really let a child, albeit an heroic child, to commit murder? :huh:
Tonks16 July 8th, 2005, 2:00 pm I hope Tonks get the revenge. Sirius was a close family member to her after all.
Mrs_Quidditch July 8th, 2005, 2:28 pm [QUOTE=Dog_star]maybe Lupin... rips her apart when he's a wearwolf? (sic) QUOTE]
Ooh! Interesting theory and so fitting. Do you think the Order would have him change intentionally or would this be an accident?
Bellatrix is due, no doubt. Who has a motive to kill her? Everyone who was ever in or related to someone in the Order. Everyone who lost a loved one to her. That's a lot of people and probably not just in the wizarding community.
As I said before, I don't think Jo would allow children to commit murder. However, I DO think she will let them try and fail. The next big melee could have both Harry and Neville bearing down on her and then, unexpectedly, someone or something else gets to her first. Jo is a HUGE fan or irony and It would be fitting for she, who served the man who would live forever, and she, who never hesitates to kill, NOT to die. We have seen people live without their minds (Longbottoms) and people who live without souls (Crouch Jr.) This alternative would satisfy the lust for revenge in those who most need it, Jo's respect for child heroes, and the need for readers to see the evil witch get her comuppance.
Alandra July 8th, 2005, 2:47 pm She could fall down a stairs or get impaled by her own wand, you know. Or Neville's granny could batter her to death with her brolly.
A question (though off topic) - if Umbridge and Bellatrix were to fight, who would you prefer to win the duel? hehe!
EDIT: O, and welcome, Mrs Quidditch, to CoS forums. Don't let me scare you off, everyone wlse is really nice here!:welcome:
Macri July 8th, 2005, 3:30 pm I don't think neither Harry nor Neville will kill Bella. Harry has his plate full and Neville... The passage in PS/SS where Neville tells Draco he is worth 12 of him, sticks to my head. Neville is 'the good guy', and good guys don't kill unless they are forced to.
When Sirius said Crouch Sr was after DEs and used the Unforgiveables on them, we see him as a bad person. We see the line between Good and Evil is thin, and it's easy to cross it without even knowing.
If Voldemort dies and Bella lives, she won't have a reason to live for. It is worse than being in Azkaban. In GoF, in the pensieve, she was defiant.
"Throw us into Azkaban, we will wait! He will rise again and he will come for us, he will reward us beyond any of his other supportes!" GoF, page 517, Uk edition
She hopes Voldemort will come for her. Strip a man of hopes and he will be useless. If she saw Voldemort die, wouldn't that be poetic justice?
Off Topic: Bella would win over Umbridge. The toad is too close-minded and pink. At least Bella isn't a hypocrite.
Alandra July 8th, 2005, 3:38 pm If Voldemort dies and Bella lives, she won't have a reason to live for. It is worse than being in Azkaban. In GoF, in the pensieve, she was defiant.
"Throw us into Azkaban, we will wait! He will rise again and he will come for us, he will reward us beyond any of his other supportes!" GoF, page 517, Uk edition
She hopes Voldemort will come for her. Strip a man of hopes and he will be useless. If she saw Voldemort die, wouldn't that be poetic justice?
Do you think? But couldn't she become the next Dark...Lady (that sounds wrong - like a horse's name)? Well anyway, if she looses LV, after openly showing everyone she supports him, so she can never go back, she might have a problem. But I don't know if that'd be enough. I want Neville to get justice. Somehow.
Off Topic: Bella would win over Umbridge. The toad is too close-minded and pink. At least Bella isn't a hypocrite.
:lol:!! I agree, at least Bellatrix is openly pure evil!
darklord_grindelwald July 8th, 2005, 3:59 pm I hope a house-elf will kill her! Not very likely, but it would be soooooo ironic! :D
Llewlion July 8th, 2005, 4:25 pm I'm hoping that Bellatrix goes to St. Mungo's to finish off the Longbottoms and meets up with Neville. Then when Bellatrix tries to attack Neville, Alice blasts her to bits. Alice may be crazy but a mother's love never dies.
Detonator July 8th, 2005, 4:35 pm I hope that neville will duel with her on top of hogwarts and push her off. I'd laugh so hard. :eyebrows:
simplylisa22 July 8th, 2005, 4:42 pm i hope Harry avenges Sirius in HBP, that would be cool if Neville killed her because of what she did to his parents but i think Harry needs to avenge Sirius that would help him start to heal...but then again that would be amazing if Neville did. i think Neville is actually better than we give him credit for if he has a bit of confidence and his own wand will help too and since he already has to get one because he broke his in the department of mysteries he'll be able to do magic easier
Macri July 8th, 2005, 4:45 pm Do you think? But couldn't she become the next Dark...Lady (that sounds wrong - like a horse's name)? Well anyway, if she looses LV, after openly showing everyone she supports him, so she can never go back, she might have a problem. But I don't know if that'd be enough. I want Neville to get justice. Somehow.
Dark Lady? :rotfl:
As I said, Bella is not a hypocrite. She won't pretend to have been under a curse like Lucius did, she is the kind of sadistic, kamikaze(sp?) fighter than won't stop till she'll drop. She will be stripped of everything: hope, protection, her mentor, freedom. I think that's worst then just dying.
Another cool(?) way for her to go would be the veil. Every Sirius fan would be extatic.
I hope a house-elf will kill her! Not very likely, but it would be soooooo ironic!
Why? Where is the irony in that? :huh:
simplylisa22 July 8th, 2005, 4:49 pm However, if it comes down to either Harry or Neville who kills or captures her, I hope it's Neville. If anyone "deserves" revenge, it's him. He's lived most of his life tortured by his parents' fate, while Harry has gone less than a year with the weight of Sirius' death dragging on his heart. Besides, it's a matter of balancing the drama. Harry gets Voldemort and Neville gets Bellatrix.
Now there's a happily ever after.
but if Neville did avenge his parents and Bellatrix is gone than Harry can never avenge Sirius and eventually it will have been many many years with that still haunting him, I hope that Remus and Neville kill Bella at the same time, that way Lupin as Sirius's best remaining friend could avenge him, Neville his parents and Harry could avenge his parents by killing Voldemort. there we go, everyone avenged...well not everyone but as close as we'll get
darklord_grindelwald July 8th, 2005, 5:38 pm I hope a house-elf will kill her! Not very likely, but it would be soooooo ironic!
Why? Where is the irony in that? :huh:Well, she is a pure-blood witch who had a lot of money and I guess she treats house-elves as mere "unworthy" servants, not as beings with emotions, just like the way Lucius Malfoy treated Dobby. She probably believe in what the Magical Fountain in the Ministry represents: all magical creatures are subjected to wizards. All magical creatures are underestimated by most of the wizards (e.g. Umbridge clearly underestimated the centaurs).
Bellatrix would not treat a house-elf as a worthy adversary. That's why I think a house-elf killing her would be an ironic end for her.
Macri July 8th, 2005, 6:02 pm darklord_grindelwald,
That is just pure specultion. If you were to say Umbridge would be killed by centaurs, or Lucius by Dobby, that would be rather ironic. But there is no mention in the books(as far as I know), on the way she felt about or treated house-elves or any other creatures.
And a house-elf killing her? I think many readers would be disappointed.
DrLazy_89 July 8th, 2005, 6:06 pm I hope Kreacher is killed by Dobby, Bellatrix by Sirius ( he's no dead) and Sirius* by Umbridge and Umbridge by Grawp or a Chimarea.
*sorry but if he cheated deatg once, I don't think he will do it again.
darklord_grindelwald July 8th, 2005, 7:07 pm darklord_grindelwald,
That is just pure specultion. If you were to say Umbridge would be killed by centaurs, or Lucius by Dobby, that would be rather ironic. But there is no mention in the books(as far as I know), on the way she felt about or treated house-elves or any other creatures.
And a house-elf killing her? I think many readers would be disappointed.Well, you're perfectley right. I just felt that I knew enough of her to guess how she treats a house-elf. She is a "true" Black: she stayed true to the "soul" of the Black family. What may not make her a true Black is that she went further and did things even Sirius's mother wouldn't have done (or at least I think so). But she was not disowned and Kreacher really likes her and that house-elf clearly represents the Blacks' point of view on everything.
What I try say is that we know how the Blacks "cared" for their servants and more importantly: we know how the Malfoys treated Dobby. Narcissa Malfoy was the sister of Bellatrix and probably shared her thoughts about house-elves. And Bellatrix wasn't disowned which means on the whole she stayed true to her name.
Soooo. I still think that it would be ironic if she got herself killed by a house-elf. Of course it would be "anti-climactic", but... ironic too.
Okay, let's modify this, because the irony started to fade in my own mind too: it would be ironic (in my opinion), if Kreacher killed Bellatrix. And it would be double-ironic if Harry ordered him to do it (in case that Harry inherited Kreacher, about which we can't be sure yet). :)
I think we should end this conversation, because to be honest I got a bit lost in my brain (and my English gets confused too). :)
Remus Werewolf July 8th, 2005, 8:23 pm I'd love if Harry and Neville went for a search for her together, surprise her, knock her out, tie her to a tree and beat her to death. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! Serves her right. But if she is going to be killed, I wish it was Harry and Neville - together.
JDoll July 8th, 2005, 8:30 pm I think that all the DE's deserve the dementor's kiss. Especially Bellatrix. I don't want Harry or Neville to become a murderer for the likes of her. She is scum and deserves the kiss.
darklord_grindelwald July 8th, 2005, 8:32 pm I think that all the DE's deserve the dementor's kiss. Especially Bellatrix. I don't want Harry or Neville to become a murderer for the likes of her. She is scum and deserves the kiss.That's a good one! A fate like this would be completely satisfactory! :)
darksidemoose July 8th, 2005, 9:40 pm Falls in a sausage grinder after a chase sequence with Neville driving and Harry riding shotgun.
Oh, yeah!
Lil_Doosta July 8th, 2005, 10:57 pm definately neville. if not him, his grandmother may show up and be all powerful. but i think that it will totally have to be neville to avenge his parents, though he will probably be killed afterwards by another death eater. :upset:
anotherpotter July 9th, 2005, 12:32 am I think that all the DE's deserve the dementor's kiss. Especially Bellatrix. I don't want Harry or Neville to become a murderer for the likes of her. She is scum and deserves the kiss.
You forget that the dementors have abandoned Azkaban to join the ranks of He WHo Must Not Be Named. Bellatrix does indeed deserve a demetors kiss from our point of view, but unless she utterly fails the Dark Lord and he orders it, it won't happen.
I prefer to see Neville stepping in to help Harry at the last minute. Maybe not killing her, but putting her in a state much like his parents. Better yet, have Neville force her to betray He Who Must Not Be Named and let him kill her for them.
callback July 9th, 2005, 1:46 am Lupin or Snape will bring Bellatrix low.
JStock July 9th, 2005, 2:24 am i think Neville is actually better than we give him credit for if he has a bit of confidence and his own wand will help too and since he already has to get one because he broke his in the department of mysteries he'll be able to do magic easier
I agree. Neville is a WAY better wizard than what he has been showing in school. He has improved since joining the DA (he can create a patronus, right?), and everything that went down in the DoM has given him some much-needed self confidence.
Although I don't think he'll use Avada Kedavra, I believe Neville will be the one to cause Bellatrix's death.
black_ice July 9th, 2005, 2:35 pm Lupin or Snape will bring Bellatrix low.
Well i guess that would be okay as neither of them seem to have wives, but the book would be R-Rated.
I think and hope that Harry will murder Bellatrix so that
1) He has avenged Sirius and
2) he gets stronger and more mature after being an actual Murderer.
And as for Neville, mabye he will be the one who discovers where Bellatrix was hiding or something so that he can somewhat think he had a part in her death, therefore avenging his parents.
I hope it is a long, hard grueling battle scene where Harry finally destroys her using his first unforgivable curse;
"AVARDA KEDARVA!!"
EDIT: I predict that the battle would be during somesort of caotic scene, for example if Hogwarts gets attacked by LV, Bellatrix, the DE, the Dementors and the trolls and that, (this could be supported by the latest back cover of HBP, the Dark Mark at the school), then i think there will be students running everywhere and Harry will spot Bella and war it out, shooting spells at each other through gap of the fleeing students. Hermione will watch on and so will ROn, although i cant seme to imagine them being present during the Bella vs Harry battle, i think it will be 1 on 1 and Harry will finally have the hate to curse that b.
As a big Sirius fan, im more exited about Harry vs Bellatrix then i am about Harry vs Voldemort the final in book 7.
-M
bigplay13 July 9th, 2005, 2:43 pm im thinking it will be a combination of harry and neville because they both have so much bad history with her that they will want to seek their revenge. but then again im also wondering if they woiuld be capable of casting a spell that would have the chance to kill someone
Macri July 9th, 2005, 5:51 pm darklord_grindelwald ,
I get your point, I really do, but I don't find any of the two scenarios you mentioned ironic. But hey, that's just my view on things.
Lil_Doosta, I was thinking about the same thing too right now. She has been mantioned quite a number of times in the books and I'm sure she would kill Bella in a flash if she had the opportunity, but it would be fair to Neville if he somehow killed/ caught/ let her live in misery.
As for people who think Harry is going to kill her, I doubt it. He couldn't hurt her too bad in MoM, and that was the meanest(?) Harry we saw. And another thing: how many people can Harry kill without turning into a bad guy? And I think he wouldn't stand himsealf after he killed her. He is too good to be a murderer.
I think it would be fair to Sirius( and the hoards of Sirius fans) if she somehow fell /walked/ jumped into the veil. Snuffels would be avenged. But how can this happen and make her suffer and give Neville an important part in her death?
EDIT: Neville can't produce a Patronaus.
Arya4ever July 9th, 2005, 6:00 pm I definitley think Neville will be the one to kill Bellatrix Lestrange...Neville has recently been proving that hes more and more capable as a wizard and with that capability comes confidence which pretty much is just making him grow as a better and better wizard. Neville is definitley going to want to seek revenge for his parents. I think that normally Neville is sweet and wouldn't be able to kill anyone but I think something will happen and because of the past he shares with Bellatrix..he will get soo mad that he will be able to kill her and actually mean the avada kedavra curse. But thats just my theory.
JStock July 11th, 2005, 6:50 am EDIT: Neville can't produce a Patronaus.
Yeah, I found that after I wrote it. But he was at least getting wisps of smoke. And after the sceen in the DoM, he'll have more confidence in himself.
Fry_17 July 11th, 2005, 10:14 am global warming will get bellatrix....soz 4 that,watched "day after tommorror" yesterday,frightning movie........i have 2 say Harry/Voldemort---i just cant c neville killing her,he's gud a pokin ppl in the eye(macnair) and falling off brooms.Unless he falls from his broom on bellatrix and kills her i just cant c that happen.
JStock July 11th, 2005, 12:59 pm Aah, but we don't have to see it yet; just Jo.
And Neville will be much stronger now...i can't seem to find where I read it, but didn't Jo state in an interview once that he was more self-confident now and he'd be coming back as a better wizard...bah stupid search engines...can't find anything today.
Edit: Found it! "Book 5 was a "turning point" for Neville; he is getting more confidant." from World Book Day 2004.
Fairchild_W July 11th, 2005, 3:52 pm Wouldn't shock me if Neville cast an Unforgiveable against Bellatrix, and I'm sure with the hate against her for his parents, he could get her with it. Thats just an idea..
OrlisGrape July 11th, 2005, 4:34 pm I really hope Neville can get his revenge, all the power to him! I hope he injures her really bad. lol that sounds kindof evil, but it's true!! After what she did to his parents..she deserves it!
Coutor_deNovo July 11th, 2005, 4:58 pm I hope Neville.
iheartduckies July 11th, 2005, 8:49 pm I really would want neville to do her off to avenge his parents...although i can't see him killing her...maybe torturing her...i dunno but i have a feeling that he will do something to avenge his parents
zingara July 11th, 2005, 9:02 pm I think Harry will. It'll be a huge turning point for his character - so driven towards revenge, he realizes it isn't what he expected. It's at this point he can put to rest any fears that he might have some of Voldemort's evil within him ... or, perhaps, strengthen his darkness.
jmb1403 July 11th, 2005, 9:06 pm Neville
QuIdDiTcHRuLz July 11th, 2005, 9:08 pm I think (and hope) that it will be Neville to avenge his parents death. (Payback...LOL)
loonywitch July 11th, 2005, 9:23 pm both harry and neville have reason to want to blow her into a million little tiny pieces...very painfully....but anyone think maybe in like some battle harry goes at her while she's attacking neville or visa versa and they both attack her at the same time and kill her? hey it's random but it could work
anotherpotter July 11th, 2005, 10:04 pm Harry kills Bellatrix AND Narcissa to gain control of the vast Black family fortune and estates.
Bellatrix tries the AV on Neville, but Neville conjures a mirror and the curse rebounds on Bellatrix. it doesn't kill her, just leaves her in a vegetative state like Schiavo.
That_Guy July 12th, 2005, 12:42 am As far as I'm concerned Voldemort already went ahead and killed her for failing him at the end of OotP, but then again, Rowling has been known to lead us thinking the wrong way before. For example, the centaurs letting Umbridge live when they captured her in the forest when I was positively certain that they were going to kill her.
Pity they didn't.
bigsneakyj July 12th, 2005, 1:08 am I can see Voldemort killing her, and then Neville trying to kill Voldemort, because he took away his revenge.
RhianEliza July 12th, 2005, 5:32 pm Neville, it has to be. JKR has focused a lot on his progress at DADA, and it is not common knowledge (at least among the trio) that Neville lost (in a way) his parents to Bellatrix. I would be truely dissapointed to see it happen any other way. Although it is possible that Neville will try to "pull a Harry" and go out seeking revenge and land himself in a mess (possibly a new canidate for the deaths of HBP??)
abtibbet July 12th, 2005, 5:38 pm Hopefully either Harry or Neville because she tortured Neville's parents into madness and "killed" Sirius. if she hadn't hit him with that spell, he probably wouldn't have fallen through the veil.(I just finished rereading OoTP, and was again in tears when Sirius died :sad: )
RhianEliza July 12th, 2005, 5:55 pm if she hadn't hit him with that spell, he probably wouldn't have fallen through the veil.(I just finished rereading OoTP, and was again in tears when Sirius died :sad: )
Me too....I don't know if I can handle another death like that....Bellatrix deserves to die...painfully :evil:
That_Guy July 12th, 2005, 8:28 pm I didn't get an opportunity to find out about Sirius' death on my own. It was spoiled by a news article I read and I was furious because there was absolutely no reason for them to spoil it! It was an article about the sale of Harry Potter books for each installment. They went on talking business and finance for the whole article and at the end of it they went "oh yeah, and Sirius dies at the end of OotP". I was like “WHY!?” There was no reason for them to spoil the story, especially in a business article! :upset:
Forget Bellatrix, death to bad journalism!
IndianHarry July 12th, 2005, 8:33 pm Probably some combination of Neville and the trio.
DracoLuverTF July 12th, 2005, 8:48 pm Someone needs to take her down. If voldemort doesnt get tired of her I will. I cant believe she killed sirius. Buyt i do feel that she discipointed voldemort and that that was just not the way to go. So, I really feel that voldemort will polish her off. But if harry ever runs into her again I can garantee that harry will kill her (or i will).
CosmicPope July 12th, 2005, 8:49 pm Either Neville or Harry. Both of them want to get revenge.
Trinny July 12th, 2005, 8:50 pm I think a resurrected Sirius will be the one finally killing her. :eyebrows:
Tane July 12th, 2005, 9:07 pm If Bellatrix is killed by a witch or wizard trying to defend them then in a way I hope it is Neville who defeats her and no one else. I hope in the end Bellatrix is tried and a dementor or two get Bellatrix end up giving her a great big kiss rather than have someone like Neville kill another witch or wizard.
HermioneG12 July 12th, 2005, 10:38 pm I dont think thet Voldemort will end up killing Bella, just because she has been faithful to him for a long time...but I do think that its possible that Neville and Harry might end up doing something to finish her off together...it only seems right as Bella made Nevilles parents the way they are and she also caused the death of Sirius. Maybe they wont kill her but make her go mad like Neville's parents...Thoughts?
PCAP928 July 12th, 2005, 10:39 pm I think harry and neville should kill her together, harry for sirius and neville for his parents!
RhianEliza July 13th, 2005, 5:07 pm I think Neville will go after her, and either fail or be stopped by Harry. None of the Gryffindor students we've seen are murderers. They don't have it in them to be, as shown when Harry attempted an Unforgivable Curse. Unless you get true pleasure out of murder and torture you aren't capable of inflicting true damage. Most likely Voldemort will take care of Bellatrix, although I think Harry and Neville are likely to attempt it, or (at the very least) spend much thought on attempting it.
daniel2099 July 13th, 2005, 10:51 pm she will fail agean agenst hp and lv will kill her
loonywitch July 14th, 2005, 1:15 am i said this a while ago but i can really see neville and harry going at her together....in some battle somewhere (aren't i specific)....and they see her and both go at her b/c she's taunting them like the obnoxious little prick she is and their spells hit her together and like either kill her or drive her out of her mind like she did to neville's rents which would be even more satisfying b/c for those who think neville will get her alone....EVEN though he's made progress he still isn't THAT powerful i don't think...i know it would be the perfect "underdog coming-out-of-no-where-and-being-the-vengeful-hero" but i just don't think he has it in him....alllloooneee...BUT if harry were there and he got all p/oed too THEN they might be able to do it together....i dunno
DracoLuverTF July 14th, 2005, 3:21 am I think a resurrected Sirius will be the one finally killing her
JKR said once someone is dead there is no magic that could bring them back!!
The_Doctor July 14th, 2005, 3:56 am I think Neville should get Bellatrix. In OOTP we saw Neville become increasingly courageous as well as him becoming better in dueling from the DA so he might have enough heart to take her. If the moment arises for Neville to duel her I hope the Order doesn't intervene and say that he's to young or something to fight her. Either way I think the years of thinking of his mentally unstable parents is enough for him to go seek her out kill her.
MoonyGirl88 July 20th, 2005, 9:42 am First version here (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=11340) :)
Ahh Bellatrix - if she dies it will be a moment rejoiced by HP fans everywhere, or so I'm inclined to believe.
There are many candidates to take her down, Neville, Harry, the Order. Perhaps Lord Voldemort will just get bored one day and finish her off to keep himself occupied. The point of this thread is to discuss all the possibilities.
The last post in version one was:
Continue :)
Oh Bella's got it coming up for her. First of all once Neville learns defense better he'll be after her no doubt. I think however, Harry will get to her first. Come on that's no doubt. Maybe they'll kill her off together. Yeah, that's an idea isn't it? Like let's see Neville holds her down with a line of hexes, and jinxes you know the body binding curse, the jelly-legs charm and stuff while Harry takes his sweet time killing her. That's an idea isn't it? Okay well that's what I think. Oh also, Wormtail has it coming up for him also from Harry.
Leila22 July 20th, 2005, 1:09 pm i think NEville has first dibs then harry I think they will do it together.
lpearson July 20th, 2005, 9:21 pm Neville no doubt about it - he will have the distinct pleasure of mowing down Bella
Hinkypunk220 July 21st, 2005, 2:50 am Just like everyone else says: NEVILLE
I believe it's Neville for many reasons one of which being his hatred for Bellatrix
Kirjava July 21st, 2005, 2:57 am Maybe Neville but if not, Harry should.
Nrv4evr July 21st, 2005, 2:58 am I could see Harry using Sectumsempra on her in a fit of righteous anger, although I wouldn't rule out maybe Lupin or even Snape.
Bellatrix08 July 21st, 2005, 5:05 am definately neville. he needs to get his revenge, and as much as i love bella, she needs to suffer. maybe sirious would get her when he comes back from where ever he is.
BeachQueen July 21st, 2005, 5:29 am Bellatrix is such a monster. She reminds me of the documentaries in which survivors of concentration camps indicated that within that nightmarish existence, the female guards were the worst. Harry does not seem to be able, at this time, to be able to do "unforgivable curses," with the proper conviction. Neville has the heart but lacks the ability to do "unforgivable curses." LV is unforgiving, the definition of evil, utterly selfish, and would not brook any mistakes by any death eater. LV will do it.
MadMuggle July 21st, 2005, 5:38 am I believe Neville will aswell. Harry will have his chance for revenge, namely Voldemort, but possibly Snape and Pettigrew also. Neville has been hurt as much as Harry and I personally feel he's owed his chance for vengence. He's ready for it too. Go Neville!
Mondemus July 21st, 2005, 5:41 am There's so many people she's affected (negatively), I hope they all get a part in destroying her, even if it is not necessarily death she's caught in. I honestly think I'd be a little disappointed if any of the 6 Order members in training managed to get so much hatred that they could do Avada Kedavra, since it seems to take an awful lot of vileness. I mean, even when Harry was burning with rage at the death of Sirius, he still couldn't do one.
Anwho, back to Bellatrix...I think it might be Neville, he's been suffering at her hands his entire life, and there's been such a build up with the story of his parents being tortured by her. I think it would be good for us to get a good example of Neville being talented at wizardry. Ultimately, I hope Neville gets to finish her off (but not by an U.C.), with help from the other 5 kids.
effin_peaz July 21st, 2005, 5:50 am I'd have to say Neville as well. Maybe Tonks.
CowboyNinjaD July 21st, 2005, 6:11 am I don't think Bella will die. I think Neville will do the same curse Bella did to his parents. The last we'll see of her is in a hospital room at St. Mungo's, drooling all over herself, right down the hall from the Longbottoms.
I think that would be the perfect fate for her.
m3lani3 July 21st, 2005, 6:12 am Lupin. He seems so depressed at both of friends are gone
SaintAelphaba July 21st, 2005, 6:31 am I agree with Cowboy inasmuch as Neville Cruciatus'ing Bella into a state of insanity would be sweet poetic justice--as to whether I could actually imagine Neville mustering up the sheer desire to cause suffering for suffering's sake, to delight in the pain of another, though . . . that's a different matter.
I think she'll get hers in the end (she seems to be the most far-gone of the DEs; if Voldy can't be redeemed, Bella stands about a 1:1,000,000 odds of actually seeking and receiving forgiveness), but I rather think that it will be less the cause of another character's passion for seeing her entrails smeared across the cold, stone walls of the DoM, and more either: 1) deus ex machina: an "unfortunate" accident, similar to Sirius's own tripping-into-Curtain-O'-Doom episode, which would be a rather appropriate end for her, all things considered; OR (perhaps even more sating), 2) Voldy deciding that Bellatrix is no longer useful to him, or unfaithful to him (think of the coniption he'll have if/when he finds out about the Unbreakable Vow--his two favorite minions, Sevvy and Bella, engaged in seditious activities which have interfered with his plans!), and thus deciding to polish her off with a good, old Avada Kedavra.
I think Bellatrix will meet her end in poetic justice, I just don't think JKR will sully the hands of some of her more pure characters (like Neville or Lupin, who are both somewhat of moral paragons) by having them engage in acts of bloody, messy vengeance. That's too DE style--tactics which the Order purports to be above.
tontonguetonk July 21st, 2005, 4:23 pm I'm of two sides to this, on one hand I would love to see Neville get her. Maybe he knows of some poisonous plant or something. perhaps he'll throw her into some devil's snare? But on the other hand I think that she just might kill herself once she finds out that her "Dark Lord" was not even pure blooded and that he is dead, after Harry kills him of course. She was way to obssessed with voldemort and i think that she would rather kill herself than to continue to live after she realizes it was all a lie.
Desraelda July 21st, 2005, 6:22 pm I think LV himself will be the one to do her in. She's already out of favor for her failure in the DoM and LV said he would deal with her later. If she fails again, he may just AK or cruicio her himself.
Malfurion July 22nd, 2005, 9:59 am I'm hoping Voldemort since she's so in love with him. Guess it's just the evil side in me knowing that her death would be all the more terrible for her if she knew it was her "Dark Lord" killing her.
"or"
It would be cool if Neville kicks her butt, and then knowing that it is beneath him to kill her, he just walks away. Then Voldemort comes out and he's like "You failed me wench!" and Crucio's her mad.
And then she becomes like Nevilles parents.
"or"
Neville goes evil and Crucio's her mad.
hdhp5 July 22nd, 2005, 3:15 pm I honestly hope that Neville and Harry defeat him together because we saw an awful lot more of Neville in Order of the Phoenix and it'd be pretty cool of J.K. Rowling to have even more for him to do in the upcoming, last book of the series! :upset:
Red_Magic July 22nd, 2005, 10:37 pm Either Lupin, Neville, or Voldemort himself for her failure once again
hufflepina July 23rd, 2005, 3:21 am bellatrix betrayed voldemort but she won´t died
stupidcupid05 July 24th, 2005, 5:12 am neville, harry whoever... ijust want her gone...i was so sad when she killed sirius!!! that woman is pure evil!
gwo July 24th, 2005, 7:04 am I reckon it'll be Rufus Scrigmour ^^
MrsRiddle July 24th, 2005, 7:24 am I really hope one of our heroines (Ginny or Hermione) has a cat-fight duel to the death with Bellatrix before finally finishing her off
Emi_Weasley July 24th, 2005, 7:32 am I don't know if JKR is gonna kill Bellatrix. But if she does, I hope it happens like this: Neville will torture her to madness, like she did with Neville's parents. Neville gets revenge. And then Harry kills her. In revenge of Bella killing Sirius.
EmI_Weasley*
Specimen108 July 24th, 2005, 12:29 pm I think She will probably die at the hand of an order member or at the end surrender and get send to prison. Another possibility is one of the kids getting lucky and kill her :eyebrows:
allure July 24th, 2005, 1:26 pm I think Neville was motivated to work harder when he encountered Bellatrix. I don't think he will be the one to kill her. You don't need a high IQ to kill someone, like Wormtail. It requires an evil mind. I think The Order members might, or even Wormtail.
Haha! I like yours, EmI_Weasley. XD
cristina July 24th, 2005, 2:16 pm I don't know if JKR is gonna kill Bellatrix. But if she does, I hope it happens like this: Neville will torture her to madness, like she did with Neville's parents. Neville gets revenge. And then Harry kills her. In revenge of Bella killing Sirius.
EmI_Weasley*
I don't think that Harry will kill her after Neville's torture her, i think that both will torture her at the same time and kill her at the same time.
Aeana_Potter July 24th, 2005, 10:33 pm Personally I hope Neville plays a huge role in her demise. He should be the one to either get her locked up or kill her because it would be poetic justice. I could never see Neville torturing her or anyone for that matter because I don't think he has it in him. I also don't think that he has enough hatred in him to kill her. I sincerely hope that he's the one that brings her down though
snape33333 July 25th, 2005, 12:58 am mabye she kills tonks and lupins so angrey he kills her.
Meghann July 25th, 2005, 2:54 am Maybe Narcissa will turn on her...or Snape. Or maybe Voldemort will....hopefully she if she dies it will be as horrible as when she killed poor Sirius 'sniff'...
Tdish14 July 25th, 2005, 3:10 am I hope that Neville or Harry will kill Bellatrix, because she was the one who drove Neville's parents into insanity, and she killed Sirius, which (as we all know) made Harry furious.
zosimus July 25th, 2005, 4:15 am I think it will be Luna, and it will be a funny accident.
Ticci July 25th, 2005, 4:23 am Ginny
phnxfthrs July 25th, 2005, 12:05 pm Although Harry and Neville certainly have more than enough reasons to want her dead, I don't believe that they are killers. I think Voldemort is already angry with her over the debacle at the Ministry of Magic. I think she made another mistake in book six that won't make the Dark Lord very happy. She's living on borrowed time and I believe that Voldemort is going to be the one who kills her.
professor_boo July 25th, 2005, 12:11 pm neville lump or tonks prefer neville :p
eyes_green July 25th, 2005, 1:46 pm i hope that she gets to live till the end and see voldemort vanquished and become mad out of shock and if not i hope voldemort kills her i really dont want neville or harry to desend to her level after all there are much worse things then death she desirves the worst of the worst death is to good for her
Dumbledore29 July 25th, 2005, 1:51 pm Very true.
I still think it would be good if she saw Voldemort lose the war and then was sentenced to death by being pushed into the veil.
Katty July 25th, 2005, 2:17 pm Pushed into the veil, that's what I was thinking!
Zoelle July 25th, 2005, 7:06 pm Maybe Kreacher will accidentally kill her sending himself into cardiac arrest. No more Bella, no more Kreacher. :p
I rather hope Voldemort will do it, maybe she'll fail her next big mission and he'll want her out of the way. Her devotion to him is so extreme it can be reckless and I'm sure he doesn't like that.
blue_venice15 July 26th, 2005, 6:21 pm Oh, I hope Neville kills her!!!!!!!! Harry couldn't curse her because he lost one person because of her. Neville has essentially lost two.Harry got chances to have intelligent conversation with Sirius, but Neville was denied the chance to have even one conversation with his parents. This would make Neville twice as likely to kill Bellatrix as Harry.
FirefightingMuggle July 26th, 2005, 6:30 pm Oh, I hope Neville kills her!!!!!!!! Harry couldn't curse her because he lost one person because of her. Neville has essentially lost two.Harry got chances to have intelligent conversation with Sirius, but Neville was denied the chance to have even one conversation with his parents. This would make Neville twice as likely to kill Bellatrix as Harry.
I have to disagree with you, and the others who have said that they hope that Neville kills Bellatrix. While I want to see Bella get her just desserts, I don't want to see Neville be the one to do it. He's a good person, and I don't think that killing Bella would help him all that much. I'd hate to see him sent to Azkaban or something for using an unforgivable curse, and I don't think that Neville should kill. It doesn't seem like something Neville would do.
I hope that Bella either gets caught by the Aurors or gets kissed by the Dementors. Yes, I realize that the Dementors out of the control of the Ministry of Magic, but that does not change the fact that they are nasty, vile creatures, who I am sure, would take the chance to suck the soul out of anyone. Bella arrested by the Aurors would also be good. She would, I'm sure, be forced to another trial, and hopefully, this time, have a fitting sentence that she can't get out of.
miss_kat July 26th, 2005, 10:35 pm neville fur suure he needs to get back at her
cybobbie July 28th, 2005, 1:22 am For me, the day that she dies will be a party day. Saying that I don't care too much about ho kills her, just that someone does it. I don't know if Neville can do it, but I'm shure that Harry can and the other members of the Order too. But we can't forget that Snape don't like her too, so may be he will kill her if he have the chance.
Blue_Eyes July 28th, 2005, 2:32 am I can see Voldemort killing her or one of the Death Eaters. She's obviously an easily jealous women and I could see her angrying on of the Death Eaters enough so they could duel. Voldemort might kill her for a huge failure or mistake.
I would like Neville to get revenge but I don't want him to perform a killing curse. If she doesn't get killed I hope Neville helps get her arrested or something.
mgalupin July 28th, 2005, 2:36 am I'm not sure who it will be, but I sure hope that someone gets her. Maybe Harry will be able to get her to revenge Sirius' death.
angelous July 28th, 2005, 8:36 am I hope over harry or lupin ..... i don't want it to be neville he is to much of an innocent
ladyblack23 July 28th, 2005, 8:49 am Ginny
Why Ginny?? personally I think Neville or Harry.
LunaStar_1000 July 28th, 2005, 9:30 am I would love for it to be Harry with a little help from Tonks. Why you may ask? Because Harry hates her for killing Sirius and Tonks also feels guilty for it. So if they finished off Bellatrix I think it would take a little off their shoulders.
MoonyGirl88 July 29th, 2005, 3:04 am I dont think thet Voldemort will end up killing Bella, just because she has been faithful to him for a long time...but I do think that its possible that Neville and Harry might end up doing something to finish her off together...it only seems right as Bella made Nevilles parents the way they are and she also caused the death of Sirius. Maybe they wont kill her but make her go mad like Neville's parents...Thoughts?
Yeah, I agree that Neville and Harry would kill her but go insane like Neville's parents? I think that's a bit far fetched. I mean first of all they've got to learn to do an unforgivable and well then they have to hold that curse. That's not easy. There for I think the thought of making Bellatrix go insane is a bit far fetched.
Lime_Green July 29th, 2005, 3:09 am Nooo, DON'T KILL BELLATRIX!!!
I don't think anyone's going to kill her. I think she's just kind of going to disappear, run away screaming that 'she'll be back'. I hope we get to see her break down, I'm really interested in her character and personality, I hope we get to see more of it in-depth in the last book.
Hilary July 29th, 2005, 3:16 am If anyone is to get Bellatrix it will be Harry obviously! She's the reason Sirius is gone and Harry will want revenge!
Hilary :p :blush:
sabzi92 July 29th, 2005, 11:07 pm i hope Harry kills her!!
gryffgirl July 30th, 2005, 7:04 pm There are several scenarios that I would enjoy:
1. Neville confronting her and finding the strength to defeat the woman who tortured his family. I only fear that she would take Neville down with her.
2. Seeing on heck of a girl fight. I would love for like Hermoine or McGonagal to get their hands on her. The most powerful women on each side have a showdown, awesome.
3. Bellatrix is a survivor who watches the world she believes in crumble around her.
As for Harry, yes, she killed Sirius, but he has bigger fish to fry. I think he should just stick to LV.
* My personal wish though is to see Mr. Weasley take on Mr. Malfoy and, maybe not kill him, but defeat him.
quietlylost July 30th, 2005, 7:09 pm I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Narcissa or Snape finish Bellatrix off.
I think she's just the type of character that gets taken out by one of her own, with an incredible feeling of shock and awe when it happens.
Though, I wouldn't put it past anyone else in the books to "get her" either. She's a useful character to insert into melees and such. While it would be sweet justice for someone personally wronged by her to get her, it may be someone else entirely, such as Hermione or one of the Weasley twins.
FizzingWhizB July 30th, 2005, 7:22 pm Bellatrix seems a little maniacal in her fervor for Lord Voldemort--she's evil and cold at times, but she doesn't possess non-emotional calmness. I think that's going to be her downfall.
I see Bellatrix being done in by Voldemort himself--a bit of poetic justice for the Death Eater who wants to be trusted by the Dark Lord more than anything.
Harry the first July 30th, 2005, 7:29 pm I hope, it`ll be Neville. After all she`s destroyed his whole childhood. If I was Neville I would hate her as much as Harry dislikes Voldemort and Snape (which I actually do without being Neville, honestly).
What about Lupin? She`s killed his best friend.
We know Bella doesn`t like Snape, so perhaps there`ll be a fight between these two, which I don`t really believe, though.
Greetings, Harry the First :tu:
Ireboricua_08 July 30th, 2005, 7:32 pm I dream of the day that harry, neville, ron, hermione, ginny and luna corner belatrix and then neville fineshes her off, although any combinations of the previous 5 would work nicely too. oh well a girl can dream...
Regulus26 July 30th, 2005, 7:47 pm i think it would be interesting to see lord voldemort order Bellatrix to kill draco because he failed to complete his task then see narcissa die defending her son like lily did (then see if bellatrix learned from her master's mistake.)
Kimagine July 31st, 2005, 5:06 am Here's a twist (mind you, it is late, and I am a bit punchy for lack of sleep):
Bellatrix attacks Neville, to finish the job properly. Luna quietly approaches, twisting her hair around a finger, and says, "You know, I really don't think you ought to hurt Neville. You've already put him through quite a lot." And Bellatrix turns around -- blink, blink :huh: -- trying to register what she's seeing, then turns her wand on Luna. Luna raises her wand and BLAMMO! sends Bellatrix flying through the air, into a pile of Devils Snare, and because she never did her homework, Bellatrix struggles and is thusly killed by a plant. Neville embraces Luna and lovingly strokes the Devil's Snare, which snuggles against him and purrs.
Or maybe we feed her to Buckbeak? I am all about Buckbeak -- poor little "orphaned" guy -- getting a piece of the action, too.
Or, maybe -- and I think I like this one best! -- we lock her in a room with Snape, and let the two of them go at it: "The Dark Lord likes me best!" "Nuh-uh... he likes me best!" "But I served hard time at Azkaban!" "Yes, but I had to put up with Potter and suffer all of those Hogwarts people for years!" Blah, blah, curse, curse, etc.
mollyz7 July 31st, 2005, 5:08 am Ginny
Muggle_Kyle July 31st, 2005, 11:17 am I really hope that Neville will finish her off. But, I don't think she will die. A life time sentence in Azkaban will be her punishment I think. I don't see anyone of the Order killing someone, only the aurors, Avade Kedavra is a very Dark spell and an Unforgiveble curse after all.
EarWithFeet July 31st, 2005, 11:26 am My guess would be Neville. I think it would be balanced, in a way. I really think we haven't seen much of Neville yet, I sense *Firenze waking up here* that there is more to him, he is a very underrated character
Hariden July 31st, 2005, 11:36 am I think Neville will cause her death but not murder her in cold blood. I envisage him hitting her with some ordinary spell used in self defence and the force of it knocking her backwards off a cliff / tower. He gets his revenge and yet isn't a murderer.
Minion July 31st, 2005, 11:39 am i believe that there will be another fight at the ministry and bellatrix will be fighting neville and they will be in front of where sirius died and neville will tell her to look behind her and as she does sirius pulls into the place where he is
oliveros July 31st, 2005, 2:51 pm Well I'm inclined to believe it will be Harry although I would preffer to see Neville do it. But i really doubt Neville has it in him. Harry, on the other hand, has tried to use an unforgivable curse before, so...
bieraubeurre July 31st, 2005, 2:55 pm i bet it will be snape - they hate each other so much... i've got the feeling it would be severus!
sensiblegal July 31st, 2005, 9:07 pm I want Neville to be the one to bring Belletrix down - it would be poetic justice for the trauma she's caused in his life.
I don't want Neville to commit cold blooded murder however, Bellatrix isn't worth it. She needs to suffer the consequences of her evil actions. I liked the scenario someone suggested with her being eaten by Devil's Snare- but it should be the mimbulus mimbletonia (sorry if my spelling is incorrect) that does her in.
Sequensia July 31st, 2005, 9:49 pm I hope Neville doesn't kill anyone, that would be unnecessary. No, I think Neville wants Bella to dies an unworthy death, or something worse than death. Dunno, of course, but maybe she gets hit by an Killing Curse from one of her own *evil grin*
eVaNeScEnCe August 1st, 2005, 12:43 am hmm...at first I wanted Neville, but now I'm leaning towards Ginny. It'd be cool to have an all out girl fight, in which Bellatrix seems to have the upper hand until the last moment and then the cliched turn of events kicks in and Ginny finishes her off by some stroke of luck and inspiration. :p
greyarea August 1st, 2005, 1:22 am does nobody think theres any chance shes gonna live?
HP1fan August 1st, 2005, 1:26 am I think that maybe something might go wrong and voldemort may order malfoy to kill his mother.But it would be great if Neville could get her...or hermoine.(cat fight)
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