Things That Took Several Readings To Catch v5

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I just noticed that in PoA, p. 110 (US edition), Ron mentions that his Uncle Bilius saw a Grim and died 24 hours later. Isn't his middle name Bilius? I read it on the HP Lexicon.
Yes. Chapter 11. And in chapter 12 he entered Dumbledore's office with the same rooster still in his hand. And in chapter 17 Tom's memory confirmed that Ginny had strangled the roosters. I don't remember if it was said anywhere in the book, but I think the reason for it is that the sound of a rooster is fatal for the basilisk. At least in muggle mythology that's the case.
Yes, it is! Yet another clue hinting to Ron's death.... :upset:
Please don't say that. I don't think I could bear it. :upset:

Anyway, this is not related to the book per se but to one of the pictures in the US GoF chapter 21 The House-Elf Liberation Front. I hadn't noticed that she had drawn Ron's robes short. I just found it funny that she went to such detail and I didn't even notice. My sister pointed it out to me.

Cheers :tu:

Another clue hinting at Ron's death, and another reason we'll be kicking ourselves when Hermione dies, and Ron lives to a ripe old age going to the pub with Harry every Sunday afternoon.

Another clue hinting at Ron's death, and another reason we'll be kicking ourselves when Hermione dies, and Ron lives to a ripe old age going to the pub with Harry every Sunday afternoon.
I didn't even think of it as a clue to Ron's death... :( ...I just noticed that, hey, he got his middle name from his uncle! ....who, of course, died suddenly. BAH.

Now I'm worried. Ron is my favorite, I don't want him to kick the bucket! :upset:

Erm..I was kind of stupid, but it took a timer to ralise that the Tom Riddle who died in the manor was actually Voledmort's father....thought he had faked death, it just didn't fit in

It took awhile before I realized that Voldemort knows about Snape trying to stop Quirrel from getting the stone because he was in the turban the whole time and Snape didn't know that when he was threatening Quirrel..... I wonder why he didn't get punished when he got his body back...

It took awhile before I realized that Voldemort knows about Snape trying to stop Quirrel from getting the stone because he was in the turban the whole time and Snape didn't know that when he was threatening Quirrel..... I wonder why he didn't get punished when he got his body back...
Oh, oh, oh, no, you're not the only one wondering that. This issue has come up in many threads.

In my vastly superior and important opinion (or not) I think that he might even have been rewarded. Okay, no. But not punished either. Voldemort is greedy. He wants the Stone for immortality. Snape also wants the Stone, for obvious reasons (wealth and long life.) So when Snape sees someone else trying to take the Stone, he beats them back, then threatens them (remember "I'm still waiting for your bit of Hocus-Pocus.") into helping HIM get the Stone for himself, in true Slytherin style. So imagine Voldemort watching Snape browbeat Quirrell. He'll assume that Snape is trying to steal it, then when Snape does get around to asking Quirrell to reveal his bit of Hocus Pocus, that just confirms his suspicions.

It took awhile before I realized that Voldemort knows about Snape trying to stop Quirrel from getting the stone because he was in the turban the whole time and Snape didn't know that when he was threatening Quirrel..... I wonder why he didn't get punished when he got his body back...
I think LV was sort of in hibernation when he was in Quirrell's head. "Master, you are not strong enough! I have strength enough ... for this ..."
PS/SS US Paperback, Page 295

I think he spent most of his time under the turban resting and trying to regain his strength. He exerts himself only to try and get the stone. Otherwise, he is probably in a trance-like state.

In my vastly superior and important opinion (or not) I think that he might even have been rewarded. Okay, no. But not punished either. Voldemort is greedy. He wants the Stone for immortality. Snape also wants the Stone, for obvious reasons (wealth and long life.) So when Snape sees someone else trying to take the Stone, he beats them back, then threatens them (remember "I'm still waiting for your bit of Hocus-Pocus.") into helping HIM get the Stone for himself, in true Slytherin style. So imagine Voldemort watching Snape browbeat Quirrell. He'll assume that Snape is trying to steal it, then when Snape does get around to asking Quirrell to reveal his bit of Hocus Pocus, that just confirms his suspicions.

I agree with you there, VM would have thought Snape was after the Stone for himself. Since Snape seems to be in a constant state of occlumency, Quirrell/VM wouldn't have picked up anything, and Snape's browbeating behaviour was in character. Nothing suspicious there. In fact, when Harry's surprised it's Quirrell, he (Quirrell) says "Yes, Severus does seem the type, doesn't he? So useful to have him swooping around like an overgrown bat." So Quirrell/VM probably let the trio think that it was Snape, it served VM's purpose.

I agree with you, HedwigOwl. It was advantageous for Quirrell and LV to have the trio thinking it was Snape. And yes, Snape does seem to be in a constant state of Occlumency.

And as for the foreshadowing of Ron's death, I think that what people have found is really convincing. But please, don't kill Ron.

If LV knew that Snape was also trying to ge ***, it was an advantage for him. Because Quirrel has disguised himself as this stuttering, nervous little man whom no one would ever suspect of anything. If you had a choice between Snape and Quirrel as to who was trying to steal the stone, who would you choose? The stuttering, nervous, innocent looking one or the greasy-haired bully who just radiates "DE"? (danluver, if this is the point you were trying to make, sorry!)

The thing with Bilius is really freaking me out, the fourth time I read the book I realised that and I felt like posting it to the world. Unfortionately, I had no clue what MuggleNet was at the time. So.
Anyways, the evidence is really convincing, but a little voice in the back of my head tells me it isn't going to be Ron.

I think Fudge is going to die, because of the hint in Prisoner of Azkaban the movie. The crow lands on Fudges head..crows are a sign of death or a death omen. Their will be a new minister of magic in book 6...so Voldy gets mad a Fudge, kills him!

I was rereading CoS, and found this little clue that made me laugh as I had never caught it before.

"It was a voice, a voice to chill the bone marrow, a voice of breathtaking, ice cold venom."
pg. 130 American Version Cos (emphasis Mine)

Ha.. venom.. great clue JK is great at slipping this stuff in.

I was rereading CoS, and found this little clue that made me laugh as I had never caught it before.

"It was a voice, a voice to chill the bone marrow, a voice of breathtaking, ice cold venom."
pg. 130 American Version Cos (emphasis Mine)

Ha.. venom.. great clue JK is great at slipping this stuff in.

haha good one...i never noticed that. she's such a clever writer. i love her.

It took awhile before I realized that Voldemort knows about Snape trying to stop Quirrel from getting the stone because he was in the turban the whole time and Snape didn't know that when he was threatening Quirrel..... I wonder why he didn't get punished when he got his body back...
Since he got his body back and failed to kill Harry he has been busy with trying to get at the prophesy. Altough many have argued that he was referring to someone else, i still think that Snape was the one he had in mind when he said "One who I believe has left me for ever...he will be killed of course..." GoF, chapter 33.

Hi everyone! Thanks for taking the time to check out this thread, and I'm glad you did because I just figured something out.

On the prophecy, it says: S.P.T. to A.P.W.B.D. (Dark Lord and (?) Harry Potter). Have you ever wondered what S.P.T. to A.P.W.B.D. actually means? Have you thought about what it might stand for? I've got it figured out, and there's not doubt whether it right or not so here it goes...S.P.T. stand for Sybill (middle name) Trelawney and A.P.W.B.D. stands for Alus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore, Dumbledore's full name as he states at Harry's Ministry of Magic hearing. So it's Sybill Trelawney to Ablus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore, Dark Lord and (?) Harry Potter. It makes perfect sense, trelawney was the one who told Dumbledore the prophecy. So at least we know what that's all about, because I spent ages trying to figure it out when it suddenly came to me.

Thanks for reading guys! :cool:

Well, I thought it was obvious. I figured it out while I was reading the book, as soon as I read it I knew what it was:D

lol I love those sudden moments of realization,there the best!
but I knew straight away,Dumbledore was the only one I knew of that had that many names,and trelawney still had one "real" prediction that hadn't been revealed yet.

yeah...i figured that out while i was reading it. and the p i'm pretty sure is patricia. and this has also been discussed in numerous threads (little questions, things it took several readings to find, etc.)

Yeah, sorry padfoot, most of us figured that out while reading the book. Don't feel bad though, I didn't figure out the Aberforth/Hog's Head connection or even the Riddle House/Tom Riddle connection until much much later.

S.P.T. to A.P.W.B.D. (Dark Lord and (?) Harry Potter).

Trelawney's middle name is Patricia. It's in one of the books, I think, Either that or JKR told us in a chat somewhere. I know I've read it somewhere.

Yeah, sorry padfoot, most of us figured that out while reading the book. Don't feel bad though, I didn't figure out the Aberforth/Hog's Head connection or even the Riddle House/Tom Riddle connection until much much later.

that reminds me of something that took me FOREVER to figure out. I think I read GOF like 15 times before I realized, the owners of the Ridlle house were LV grandparents and his dad and the teenager Frank saw was Tom Riddle Jr. (LV) I couldn't figure out how Tom Riddle was murdered but Voldemort was still living,until I FINALLY remembered Tom was his dad's name and Marvolo was his grandpa's name

Lol, I had no idea everyone knew, I was like so excited when I figured it out, because I didn't pay attention to it at all until I decided to see what it meant and it sort of came to me. Cool though :D

Since there's really no place to go with this I've asked for it to be merged with Things That Took Several Readings To Catch V.5 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=57460)

that reminds me of something that took me FOREVER to figure out. I think I read GOF like 15 times before I realized, the owners of the Ridlle house were LV grandparents and his dad and the teenager Frank saw was Tom Riddle Jr. (LV) I couldn't figure out how Tom Riddle was murdered but Voldemort was still living,until I FINALLY remembered Tom was his dad's name and Marvolo was his grandpa's name
Are you serious? Thanks for clarifying that, I never got that. I feel really stupid right now. I've learned so much on these forums, it's kind of humbling... but that makes perfect sense! That explains the skinny teenage boy Frank saw! Wow this is great, thanks Willow!!

Trelawney's middle name is Patricia. It's in one of the books, I think, Either that or JKR told us in a chat somewhere. I know I've read it somewhere.
I don't know where it came from, but it's on the Lexicon. And it's usually accurate, so it is Patricia. The first time I read it I knew it was Dumbledore, but was too lazy to go back and check whether his half-a-dozen names matched all the initials.

Are you serious? Thanks for clarifying that, I never got that. I feel really stupid right now. I've learned so much on these forums, it's kind of humbling... but that makes perfect sense! That explains the skinny teenage boy Frank saw! Wow this is great, thanks Willow!!
I didn't fully figure it out until I started frequenting MN and CoS, either. I had always thought something was tricky about that chapter, but I always sorta shrugged it off so I could get to the rest of the book.

I realized the other day that somewhere in CoS, Voldemort explains that he is named Tom after his father, Marvolo after his grandfather. I can't remember exactly where in the book that happens, though I do know that while in the Chamber and writing his name in the air, he says "You think I was going to use my filthy Muggle father's name forever?" (US edition, 314)

And with THAT realization came the one that JKR was VERY sly with her opening chapter in GoF...only those readers with the sharpest of memories had any chance of realizing on their first read that it was Tom Sr. :)

(Anyhoo, didn't mean to bring up a topic that has been discussed over and over in these threads, but it was sorta related to a recent realization of mine. Back on topic!)

Are you serious? Thanks for clarifying that, I never got that. I feel really stupid right now. I've learned so much on these forums, it's kind of humbling... but that makes perfect sense! That explains the skinny teenage boy Frank saw! Wow this is great, thanks Willow!!
don't worry about being humbled,I think in every post I've ever made someone has made me eat my words,but it's a small price to pay for all the knowledge you leave with :p

With the S.P.T. to A.P.W.B.D. thing, the only reason I figured it out was because Dumbledore was the only person I knew with that many initials. (Actually, in real life, I know somebody named B.I.T.S.O.)

It actually took me awhile to figure out the whole Dumbledore/Trelawney thing... I was like, "Wow - that's a lot of - Oooh... DUMBLEDORE!"

(as always, sorry for my bad english - i'm italian)

It tooks me a lot of time to understand that Voldemort has a royal owl. We see it two times in GoF, when it's going to the fake moody at hogwarts and when harry has his 'special voldemort dream' in Trewlaney's room.
And... yes, the fact that uncle Vernon take something like an electric shock when he try to hit Harry at the beginning of the order of phoenix.

It tooks me a lot of time to understand that Voldemort has a royal owl. We see it two times in GoF, when it's going to the fake moody at hogwarts and when harry has his 'special voldemort dream' in Trewlaney's room.

it was an eagle owl, like Draco's. i've always wondered if there were a connection between Draco's owl and this one.

Who knows? We haven't seen Draco's owl for a while. Maybe Draco's father agve it to LV.

I didn't catch that in CoS Ginny's diary that they have to go back for is in fact the diary of Tom Riddle. It never conected for me, but maybe that's just me.

I didn't catch this one for a long time. Anyway at the end of GOF when Dumbledore starts his planning on alerting the "Old crowd" , He tells Sirius to alert Lupin, Mundungus Fletcher, and ARABELLA FIGG! Hello, how dumb am I? SO you would have thought I would have put BAtty MRS. Figg and ARabella Figg together before She reveals herself as a squib in OOTP, but I didn't. Even though I reread GOF before the release of OOTP, and after. There is also a clue which I went..HUH? too, but still didn't make a connection was that the tent that Harry and Ron use at the World Cup, "oddly enough, it was furnished in exactly the same sort of style as Mrs. Figg's house: There were crocheted covers on mismatched chairs and a strong smell of cats" quoted from GOF. which itself leaves another... "what exactly is Jo trying to tell us about Figgy's house?"

THis one may not be a clue but it makes you rethink. Now that we know that Petunia knows more about the wizard world then what we were originally lead to believe. I was re-reading POA and at the begining when the news talks about the escaped Sirius Black. Too me it could be read as , by her reaction,Petunia knows who Sirius Black is and what he was accused of and she panics a bit. plus it could be a somewhat opposite reaction to OOTP when she reveals that she knows about Azkaban. In POA she panics a bit but not enough to reveal anything when Vernon talks back to the TV and asks where Sirius escaped from. But when Dudley gets attacked she looses that control she had. Or she is just really nosey like Harry says she is.
ya never know.

Is fun to go back and re read after we get more info, and innocent comments really do mean something.

Just something to think about.

Is it possible that Mrs. Figg and Petunia are better acquainted than we previously thought? Or would that be too heinous an association?

I didn't catch this one for a long time. Anyway at the end of GOF when Dumbledore starts his planning on alerting the "Old crowd" , He tells Sirius to alert Lupin, Mundungus Fletcher, and ARABELLA FIGG! Hello, how dumb am I? SO you would have thought I would have put BAtty MRS. Figg and ARabella Figg together before She reveals herself as a squib in OOTP, but I didn't. Even though I reread GOF before the release of OOTP, and after. There is also a clue which I went..HUH? too, but still didn't make a connection was that the tent that Harry and Ron use at the World Cup, "oddly enough, it was furnished in exactly the same sort of style as Mrs. Figg's house: There were crocheted covers on mismatched chairs and a strong smell of cats" quoted from GOF. which itself leaves another... "what exactly is Jo trying to tell us about Figgy's house?"


I did pick up on the clue at the end of GoF when he says "Round up the old crowd."
I was very proud of myself for that one!!
But I completely missed the one about the tent at the beginning :p

I really wondered why after the FIggy and Petunia revelations in OOTP, if Petunia knew about Figgy.From what figgy says to Harry, her reasons for not making Harry's visits more pleasantover the years. So that the Durlsey's would still let her watch him. Although before she reveals herself, Harry makes note that she keeps inviting him over. I guess trying to check on him better so she can report. Anyway, It sounds as the Dursleys don't know. But then again too much of a coinicidence that they picka squib to watch Harry.

I really wondered why after the FIggy and Petunia revelations in OOTP, if Petunia knew about Figgy.From what figgy says to Harry, her reasons for not making Harry's visits more pleasantover the years. So that the Durlsey's would still let her watch him. Although before she reveals herself, Harry makes note that she keeps inviting him over. I guess trying to check on him better so she can report. Anyway, It sounds as the Dursleys don't know. But then again too much of a coinicidence that they picka squib to watch Harry.Yeah, I did wonder myself, if the Dursleys knew that Mrs. Figg had connections to the wizarding world...I also think that the reason Mrs. Figg kept popping up and inviting Harry to her home had to do with the fact that he was in danger each time he left the Dursleys house (and she was also double checking that Mundungus didn't leave his post, thereby leaving Harry open to attack).

I'm rereading all the books in preparation for HBP and I noticed that the Gringott's vault number where the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone was kept was 713. The numbers added together make 11, and they got the stone from the vault on Harry's 11th birthday.

What is Remus J. Lupin's middle name? James?

Could Dumbledore be the "wealthy owner" of the Riddle House - just to keep an eye on things going on there?

Never noticed how anxious Petunia seems in GoF before the Weasleys come to take Harry away - was she worried about him or just about a group of Wizards turning up on her doorstep?

I think I read somewhere that Lupins middle name was John or some other common name like that. Not for sure though.


I never noticed that about the vault number. JK seems to do that alot.

I'm rereading all the books in preparation for HBP and I noticed that the Gringott's vault number where the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone was kept was 713. The numbers added together make 11, and they got the stone from the vault on Harry's 11th birthday.
Heh, that's interesting. I thought the only thing with the vault number was that it's a combo of the luckiest number (7) and the unluckiest (13).

What if it's Lucius that owns the Riddle house. In the books it says he (Lucius) has alot of LV's old things. Plus With LV currently residing there again, I think it maybe Lucius or one of the other Death Eaters owns it now.

Erm..I was kind of stupid, but it took a timer to ralise that the Tom Riddle who died in the manor was actually Voledmort's father....thought he had faked death, it just didn't fit in

me too! i was really confused and my friend had to explain it to me, LOL.

It took me a few readings (and a slap in the face by an editorial) to realize Seamus acts kinda weird... "Excited" about Sirius being sighted in Prisoner of Azkaban and whatnot.

What is Remus J. Lupin's middle name? James?

Could Dumbledore be the "wealthy owner" of the Riddle House - just to keep an eye on things going on there?

Never noticed how anxious Petunia seems in GoF before the Weasleys come to take Harry away - was she worried about him or just about a group of Wizards turning up on her doorstep?[1] WoodsMom got it right, Professor Lupin's name is "Remus John Lupin"--from an interview with JKR...

[2] It's speculated that Lucius may be the wealthy owner of the Riddle mansion, but no one knows for sure, and here's a thread discussing it...Who owns the Riddle House? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=8529&highlight=riddle+house)


[3] Petunia most definitely was not worried about Harry, I think she was worried about what the neighbors would say with "those people" coming to her home to visit...

Yeah, I did wonder myself, if the Dursleys knew that Mrs. Figg had connections to the wizarding world...I also think that the reason Mrs. Figg kept popping up and inviting Harry to her home had to do with the fact that he was in danger each time he left the Dursleys house (and she was also double checking that Mundungus didn't leave his post, thereby leaving Harry open to attack).
Most probably you got that right. She couldn't possibly have Mr Tibbles follow every step Harry took.

And the question why did Petunia choose Figgy as baby-sitter? I do suspect that Dumbledore is behind it one way or another. Either Figgy, on his orders, offered her services and managed to get Vernon and maybe Petunia convinced that Harry wouldn't be too happy at her place, or Dumbledore told Petunia, but not Vernon, to use Figgy. We have by now reason to believe that Petunia knows things Vernon doesn't.

I agree I think DD somehow got them to use her, but I think taht neither petunia or vernon knew

I'm rereading book 2, and I finally see that in the Polyjuice Potion scene, the girl that they ask where the Slytherin common room is, is really Percy's girlfriend. Percy and her were making out down in the dungeons, and he decided to wait and let her go back up first so no one would see them together.

ABout what I posted on page 2 of this thread. WHen I said that Petunia acted as if she knew who Sirius Black was and reacted so weird. I think she is only looking out for her family, Vernon and Dudley. Not Harry. At this point in the books her family hasn't been attacked or threatened. But now that we know she knows more, we in hindsight, can see at that time, her family possibly being threatened.You can read the whole first part of chapter two very differently. Keeps these in mind while reading.

A. Petunia knows about Azkaban.
B. My theory- that she knows of Sirius Black and what he was accused of.
C. She can keep her cool and secrets, until her family is attacked.

It would make no sense if when Vernon wonders why the news didn't say where this dangerous criminal escaped from, if petunia just said " Oh Vernon, its the wizarding prison Azkaban".
But after her dear family is attacked, It's a whole different game.

Also I noticed something about Hermione on JO's website.
In the EXTRA'S section. Jo says we see Hermione's Boggart in POA. I looked in POA during the Boggart Lesson. Nothing there, Did I miss it somewhere else? going to have to re-read the book now... oh darn LOL

Also I noticed something about Hermione on JO's website.
In the EXTRA'S section. Jo says we see Hermione's Boggart in POA. I looked in POA during the Boggart Lesson. Nothing there, Did I miss it somewhere else? going to have to re-read the book now... oh darn LOLWe actually didn't get to see Hermione's Boggart during the "Boggart in the Wardrobe" scene. It was later in the book, when Lupin was giving the Practical exam for DADA---
Their second to last exam, on Thursday morning, was Defense Against the Dark Arts. Professor Lupin had compiled the most unusual exam any of them had ever taken; a sort of obstacle course outside in the sun, where they had to wade across a deep paddling pool containing a grindylow, cross a series of potholes full of Red Caps, squish their way across a patch of marsh while ignoring misleading directions from a hinkypunk, then climb into an old trunk and battle with a new boggart.
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Hermione did everything perfectly until she reached the trunk with the boggart in it. After about a minute inside it, she burst out again, screaming.
"Hermione?" said Lupin, startled. "What's the matter?"
"P---P---Professor McGonagall!" Hermione gasped, pointing into the trunk. "Sh--she said I'd failed everything!"Oddly enough, Ron had teased Hermione earlier in the book regarding what her boggart would be: "What would it have been for you?" said Ron, s******ing. "A piece of homework that only got nine out of ten?"

...I thought the only thing with the vault number was that it's a combo of the luckiest number (7) and the unluckiest (13).That's a good point, too - I thought it was Harry's birthday backwards: 31/7 -> 713!

It took me several readings... like... 2 reading I think... to realise that *shudders* Nearly Headless Nick was the same guy as Sir Nichloas. lame huh? but I always had a suspision.... :angel:

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I just found the hermione Boggart reference at the end of POA. Thanks for answering.

It took me a few readings (and a slap in the face by an editorial) to realize Seamus acts kinda weird... "Excited" about Sirius being sighted in Prisoner of Azkaban and whatnot.
Whats the significance of that?

Some say that he was a little too happy or excited about Sirius being sighted, and that could signify him going to turn dark, or something of that nature. Sorry for the vague response, I don't totally believe it, so I don't know.

i keep forgetting how many people sirius is realted to lol. in the beginning i also thought for some reason that tonks was married to a muggle, not the daughter of one lol.

I know this is going to sound dumb... but the first time I was reading the OotP when Cho and Harry kissed, I didn't realize it. Then when Harry admitted it to Ron and Hermione I was like "WHAT? WHEN? WHERE? What did I miss" so I had to go back and re-read the part where it happened. :lol:

Some say that he was a little too happy or excited about Sirius being sighted, and that could signify him going to turn dark, or something of that nature. Sorry for the vague response, I don't totally believe it, so I don't know.
Thanks....doesnt sound like its gonna happen.

It took me several readings to wonder how it was possible for Molly Weasley to access Harry Potters vault in Gringotts and how Sirius was able to get Crookshanks to access his. A key is required, and I doubt Sirius was carrying his Gringotts key in Azkaban...

Hey Guys..
I was re-re-re-re-reading OOP and I came across this line on pg 203 (UK Ed)

"some stuff about Wood leaving and how it would be different....
'I s'pose,' said Harry, taking the bench opposite.'He was a good Keeper...'
'Still, it won't hurt to have some new blood, will it?' said Ron.

New Blood.. I found this to be highly interesting.. what do you guys think?

I don't remember that part. Which is a bit odd. Anyway, can you tell me what chapter it is in? I only have the US version on me. I'd like to check it out.

I think Ron's preparing Harry for new blood because he wants to try out for Quidditch or something like that. That's probably the reason he mentioned it.

My first though was Weasley blood...but that's not right.

It really is interesting, but it's just a metaphor.

usually when i hear "new blood" i just take it as there being someone new around. i dont think its any big deal. its a common saying from my understanding

It's a fairly common phrase used in that circumstance where you're looking to add new members to a team. I wouldn't place any more importance on it.

New blood is a figure of speech. It means to have somebody new around. I have heard it quite often.

Things that took several readings to catch (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=57460)

I'm sure the quote in here and your findings can be posted in the link above. :tu:

I believe participating on the Quidditch tryouts is in Ron's head very strongly. I don't think there's anything odd about the phrase he uses, he's just subconsciently (is this how you spell it?) letting harry know that he will participate.

Ron later kind of insists in the subject:
'Well, I dreamed I was playing Quidditch the other night,' said Ron, screwing up his face in an effort to remember. 'What d'you reckon that means?'

It's clear that Ron doesn't wan't to come straight out with his determination to participate on the tryouts:
'I – well – well, OK, I'll tell you, but don't laugh, all right?' Ron said defensively, turning redder with every second. 'I – I thought I'd try out for Gryffindor Keeper now I've got a decent broom. There. Go on. Laugh.'

.....new blood = half blood???? Foreshadowing?????

.....new blood = half blood???? Foreshadowing?????

It certainly continues with the "blood is important" theme, although in a minor way. However, the new blood the team gets is two unpsecified beaters, and two pureblood Weasleys (Ron and Ginny). I don't think the actual blood is at all relevant, just that the phrasing reminds us of the blood theme.

I took me awhile to realize that Dean Thomas is Black

Erm..I was kind of stupid, but it took a timer to ralise that the Tom Riddle who died in the manor was actually Voledmort's father....thought he had faked death, it just didn't fit in
I thought the same thing. It took me forever to figure out that it was his father.

I didn't remember that Mundungus Fletcher was mentioned in earlier books until I re-read the first 4 after reading OotP for the first time.

I took me awhile to realize that Dean Thomas is BlackSurprisingly, I thought Neville was black at first, I suppose I was influenced by the music group The Neville Brothers (from New Orleans) since Neville is not a common name in the US. And for some reason I associated the name Longbottom with shipping - either from Tolkein's pipe-weed that originally came from across the sea or perhaps I was subconsciouly thinking of Longbottom Tea. Altho' I think the 'shipping' is more than coincidence with all those water clues around Neville

Anyways, I first saw Neville's family as having emigrated to England from the caribbean.

Hmm...strange! At first, I imagined Luna as being mulatto. (I still do, but it doesn't state anywhere that I can find that she isn't, so *gives a raspbery*!)

It certainly continues with the "blood is important" theme, although in a minor way. However, the new blood the team gets is two unpsecified beaters, and two pureblood Weasleys (Ron and Ginny). I don't think the actual blood is at all relevant, just that the phrasing reminds us of the blood theme.
Interestingly enough, wasn't the statement made while Harry was hiding his new blood (or, freshly drawn blood through a wound that was caused by a certain pen) from Ron?

Blood blood blood, it's all about blood... From Scabbers' disappearance (where they found drops of his blood on the sheets) to wizard's chess to Lily's protective magic to Vernon's beet-red face and pulsating veins (especially when he becomes angry.) Even the colours of Gryffindor house, a Quidditch quaffle, and Voldemort's eyes, all relate to blood in some form or another.

But, as I was originally going to say: interestingly enough, if you read OotP, the chapter where Dumbledore reveals the prophecy to Harry, and you compare it to Chapter 1 of Book 1, you'd find that most of Dumbledore's statements don't contradict one-another. In the beginning he talks of guessing what saved Harry, and 16 years later he reveals his guesses, but they are still guesses (he tells everything to Harry with qualifiers "I guessed..." "I thought..." and so on.)

But there is one place where he messes up (or lies.) Thanks to the prophecy, he knows that Voldemort will be back. And says so in OotP. But in Book 1 he refers to Voldemort in the past tense "He had powers..." "I tried to get people to call him Voldemort..." Almost as if he thinks Voldemort is dead (or he is trying to lead McGonagall and Hagrid to believe that the Dark Lord is dead.)

I just realized this. Dumbledore is usually very consistent, but it seems that on that November night, while he was sending Harry to live at the Dursleys', he believed Voldemort to be a past-tense issue. Wierd...

Dumbledore is usually very consistent, but it seems that on that November night, while he was sending Harry to live at the Dursleys', he believed Voldemort to be a past-tense issue. Wierd...And yet he played it safe and put Harry where his mother's blood would protect him. I think his use of past tense was actually true even if VM hadn't died.

"He had powers" would still be past tense even knowing VM was still alive because at that p[oint VMs powers were considerably weakened. And "I tried to tell" is still true even if he continues to tell them to use VMs name.

But, I can see him 'hoping' VM is really dead while planning in case he isn't.

And yet he played it safe and put Harry where his mother's blood would protect him. I think his use of past tense was actually true even if VM hadn't died.

"He had powers" would still be past tense even knowing VM was still alive because at that p[oint VMs powers were considerably weakened. And "I tried to tell" is still true even if he continues to tell them to use VMs name.

But, I can see him 'hoping' VM is really dead while planning in case he isn't.
I agree. The powerful Voldemort, at that point, *was* an issue of the past. He lost his powers. Even though Dumbledore knew that Voldemort would one day return to power, it would make no sense to say "he has powers" if, at the current time, he did not actually have them.

all along i thought that the sign:

Creature Induced Injuries
"Dangerous"
Dai Llwellyn Ward
Serious Bites

meant that that particular ward was dangerous. but as i reread quidditch through the ages, i came across the passages:
Kennilworthy Whisp is a renowned Quidditch expert (and, he says, fanatic). He is the author of many Quidditch-related works, including The Wonder of Wigtown Wanderers, He Flew Like A Madman (a biography of 'Dangerous' Dai Llewellyn) and Beating the Bludgers--A Study of Defensive Strategies in Quidditch.(bold mine)
and
Caerphilly Catapults: ...The demise of their most famous player, 'Danegrous Dai' Llewellyn, who was eaten by a Chimaera while on holiday in Mykonos, Greece, resulted in a day of national mourning for all Welsh witches and wizards. (p.33, bold mine)
which shows that "dangerous" is actually part of dai llewellyn's name. this means that we fans have interpreted the sign wrong. it should actually be:

Creature Induced Injuries
"Dangerous" Dai Llwellyn Ward
Serious Bites

meaning our so-called "forshadowing" of sirius' death was wrong all along, because the first words would no longer read "Creature Dangerous Dai Serious" but simply "Creature Dangerous Serious." i suppose it could still be a forshadowing in its own right (it does sound like a warning), but its not as cool as if "dai" was included.

i dunno if im the only one who noticed this, or if im just slow.

P.S. did you guys notice that in the first quote, only "dangerous" had quotations, but in the second one, "dai" was included in the quotations? an book mistake, and i spotted it! cool:D

I took me awhile to realize that Dean Thomas is Black

This is total news to me...where in the books does it say this?

This is total news to me...where in the books does it say this?
I don't know if it is actually said so in the books. I didnt realise until I went to JK's site and it says so there. Dean Thomas in the movies is black too.

Dean Thomas - CoS, Ch7. Pg122 USA pprbk - during sorting:
"Thomas, Dean." a Black boy even taller than Ron, joined Harry at the Gryffindor table.

which shows that "dangerous" is actually part of dai llewellyn's name. this means that we fans have interpreted the sign wrong. it should actually be:

Creature Induced Injuries
"Dangerous" Dai Llwellyn Ward
Serious Bites

Fantastic connection. Page 487, OotP, US Paperback, "Dangerous" Dai Llewellyn. Dangerous is in quotes and Serious Bites is on the same sign preceded by a colon. At the very least, it is a warning to Sirius that Kreacher is dangerous.

However, it could still be a foreshadowing of Sirius death as we originally thought. Creature Induced Injuries is on a separate sign, so that is the first line. Dangerous is surrounded by quotation marks which separates it from Dai Llwellyn Ward making it a separate word. Serious Bites is also separated because it is preceded by a colon, which would put it on the next line.

How it works, thanks to your connection, is that JKR used punctuation marks to distinguish between one line and the other.

I agree. The powerful Voldemort, at that point, *was* an issue of the past. He lost his powers. Even though Dumbledore knew that Voldemort would one day return to power, it would make no sense to say "he has powers" if, at the current time, he did not actually have them.
Yeah, and it would be a bit convoluted to say "he once had and may again have powers that..."

Still, I find it kind of interesting to think about. It sort of sheds light on who knows the prophecy. McGonagall and Hagrid never corrected him at the time. But later on Hagrid himself tells Harry that Voldemort is not human enough to die. So maybe later Dumbledore mentioned "Oh, when I said "Voldemort was powerful", I meant "Voldemort is powerful". You see, I have good reason to believe he isn't gone just yet." Or maybe they all knew that he was coming back, even though Dumbledore was using the past tense.

And, at the time Dumbledore said that he could only guess what happened between Harry and Voldemort. To the end of Book 5, he still uses qualifiers "I deduced..." "It was most likely..." and such. Although his guesses are good, he still recognizes that he might be wrong even after all those years of research and effort he put into figuring it out. So it's odd to me that he shifts to the past tense when referring to Voldemort for a little while there.

I'm pretty new here, and I haven't had time to fully read through this post, but I did want to share something. I'm not quite sure that this is the place to post it, but I found it while re-reading HP and the Sorcerer's Stone, in the chess game scene. I'm really sorry if this has already been posted.

Think about the white players as Voldemort and his followers, and the black players (the ones Harry, Ron, and Hermoine were playing as) as Dumbeldore and his followers. The white players are somewhat as follows. King- Voldemort. Queen- Bellatrix Black. The others are death eaters. That first pawn might be Peter Pettigrew. On the black side- King- Dumbeldore. One knight- Sirius Black. Other knight- Ron. They are both very faithful to the king. One bishop- Harry. One castle- Hermoine.

Now, the game starts.

Their first real shock came when their other knight was taken. The white queen smashed him to the floor and dragged him off the board, where he lay quite still, facedown.
That was Bellatrix killing Sirius. Next Hermoine kills a bishop. That will probably happen next book. Then, Ron "darts around the board taking almost as many white pieces as they had lost black ones. Then, Ron sacrifices himself to the queen, to save Harry. Bellatrix (the queen) kills him. Harry then check-mates the king. I'm pretty sure that Ron will die. :upset:

Also, Ron dying could be the reason Voldemort couldn't kill Harry.

And then Harry's scar burst open. He knew he was dead; it was pain beyond imagining, pain past endurance - He was gone from the hall, he was locked in the coils of a creature with red eyes, so tightly bound that Harry did not know where his body ended and the creature's began. They were fused together, bound by pain, and there was no escape -
Later-

'Death is nothing compared to this... And I'll see Sirius again...' And as Harry's heart filled with emotion, the creature's coils loosened, the pain was gone, Harry was lying facedown on the floor, his glasses gone, shivering as though he lay upon ice, not wood....
So, emotion/love overcomes Voldemort. From the first book again-

If there is one thing Voldemort cannot understand, it is love. He didn't realize that love as powerful as your mother's for you leaves its own mark.
Later-

Quirrel, full of hatred, greed, and ambition, sharing his soul with Voldemort, could not touch you for this reason. It was agony to touch a person marked by something so good.
So, I think Ron will, die, and Harry's grief and love will overcome him.

WEll, that was kind of random, but I wanted to post it. Ta Ta! :)

Another clue hinting at Ron's death, and another reason we'll be kicking ourselves when Hermione dies, and Ron lives to a ripe old age going to the pub with Harry every Sunday afternoon.

I know this is really lame. But that's hillarious, and you're right not very many people seem to be to worried about Hermione . . . hmmmm . . .

If it's any consolation - I'd like to point out a difference between the white queen's taking of the two knights. The first one (Sirus) is actually dragged from the board, but Ron remains on the board. Perhaps it's only a very bad injury? Enough that he falls in battle (like on the chess board) but is later revived after Harry 'checkmates' VM. Whew! I can breathe easier!

If it's any consolation - I'd like to point out a difference between the white queen's taking of the two knights. The first one (Sirus) is actually dragged from the board, but Ron remains on the board. Perhaps it's only a very bad injury? Enough that he falls in battle (like on the chess board) but is later revived after Harry 'checkmates' VM. Whew! I can breathe easier!

Oh good, I like that excuse...oh I mean reason...a lot. I really hope we don't lose any of the 3. I've been using the "Ron recovered" rationale any time I read a post that speculates his dying. :)

It has most probably already been discussed but whatever. This isn't really something that I catched after several reads but that made my admiration for JKR jump a hundred knotches... At the end of POA, Harry tells Dumbledore about Trelawney's prediction (about pettigrew) and Dumbledore says something that looks like: "well, that would bring her number of correct and verified predictions to two" and then you just continue reading and don't ask any questions until book 5 where we hear about the first prediction!! When I read POA after reading OOTP, I was astonished to see how she had put this clue so EARLY in the series and we just weren't clever enough to find it. :p

Dean Thomas - CoS, Ch7. Pg122 USA pprbk - during sorting: As that quote may seem only to add confusion, allow me to point out that it was added by Scholastic. Nothing of the kind in the British book. And, btw, it was in SS, not CoS.

The earliest mention of Dean in the British version seems to be in chapter 9
Ron had already had a big argument with Dean Thomas, who shared their dormitory, about football. Anyway, as Jo must have given her permission for this addition, I think we can take it as canonical proof that Dean is indeed black.

As that quote may seem only to add confusion, allow me to point out that it was added by Scholastic. Nothing of the kind in the British book. And, btw, it was in SS, not CoS.

The earliest mention of Dean in the British version seems to be in chapter 9
Ron had already had a big argument with Dean Thomas, who shared their dormitory, about football. Anyway, as Jo must have given her permission for this addition, I think we can take it as canonical proof that Dean is indeed black.Yep, and just to add to what Alastor D said... Extra Stuff
Dean Thomas's background (Chamber of Secrets)
Anybody who has read both the American and British versions of 'Philosopher's Stone' will notice that Dean Thomas's appearance is not mentioned in the British book, whereas in the American one there is a line describing him (in the chapter 'The Sorting Hat').

This was an editorial cut in the British version; my editor thought that chapter was too long and pruned everything that he thought was surplus to requirements. When it came to the casting on the film version of 'Philosopher's Stone', however, I told the director, Chris, that Dean was a black Londoner.

Wait a second, Dean Thomas is black?!! I never saw that and thought that he was a white boy.

I just reallized that Phineas (the painting in grimmauld place guy) says dolt. I have been calling random people dolts for years and never reallized that it was said in the books.

Thanks kingwidgit Seems I have to reread everything in Jo's site. :)

Re: Dean is Black As that quote may seem only to add confusion, allow me to point out that it was added by Scholastic. Nothing of the kind in the British book. And, btw, it was in SS, not CoS. Thanks Alastor for the new info - I didn't start reading the books until around 2000, so I most certainly don't have the earlier versions of the books (and boy I feel like a ditz - mixing books - sorry) Out of curiousity did any one else think Neville was black at first - or was that just me?

Re: Dean is Black Thanks Alastor for the new info - I didn't start reading the books until around 2000, so I most certainly don't have the earlier versions of the books (and boy I feel like a ditz - mixing books - sorry) Out of curiousity did any one else think Neville was black at first - or was that just me?

I started reading the series really late...spring, 2004. (No throwing things, please.) And I had seen the movies, so I was already picturing the actors as the characters as I read. So I had a picture of Neville already in my mind from the movie.

Out of curiousity did any one else think Neville was black at first - or was that just me? :rotfl: Nope, not me...I remember the boggart seen where he goes red, and later is very pale when he prepares to face his Boggart...

Very kind of you folks to thank me. But I think kingwidgit deserves it more, as it was she who provided the correct information. I was wrong thinking Scholastic added it, the quote she provided shows it was Bloomsbury who cut it out.

I have to admit that I never gave the question about skin colours a thought before watching the film. As my old dictionary didn't have that word, I never even realised we got a hint about Lee Jordan being black already in PS chapter 6. "A boy with dreadlocks was surrounded by a small crowd." I just thought 'some hairstyle, obviously' and forgot about it.

P.S. did you guys notice that in the first quote, only "dangerous" had quotations, but in the second one, "dai" was included in the quotations? an book mistake, and i spotted it! cool

I don't think that's a mistake, just an inconsistency in notation. If you think about it, "Dangerous Dai" is his nickname, so it makes sense to write "Dangerous Dai" Llewellyn, but at the same time, the "Dangerous" Dai Llewellyn notation makes sense because the "Dangerous" is the only part that is added; the rest is his real name.

At any rate, I made the connection and knew exactly who the ward was named after the first time I read OotP; maybe I've read these books too much :p

I never really thought of any of the characters as black; even now, I don't have a mental image of Dean as black, although I do see Lee as black now sometimes. I always used to think of them both as white; I do have an excuse, considering Dean's ethnicity certainly isn't clear in the UK versions. Lee, however, I can't remember whether I made the connection from seeing him in the film or reading the 'dreadlocks' quote. Might have been a mixture of the two.

I didn't get The Knight Bus until just now. God, am I stupid or what?

Knee, definitely not stupid! There are so many hidden word-plays that I find one every time I re-read. That's one of the beautiful things about these books - enjoyable on very many levels!

I know this is really lame. But that's hillarious, and you're right not very many people seem to be to worried about Hermione . . . hmmmm . . .
oh gosh, i really hope that hermione doesn't die!! she's my favorite character, i don't know what i'll do. haha

i read most of this and v4 and v3 threads haha talk about having some time, right? i thought the "creature dangerous dai serious" / "kreacher dangerous, die siruis" thing was really cool. and like a bunch of other people i only now just got the whole tom riddle house thing. i seriously thought that he faked his death as a kid. but then it didn't make sense how it also said that his dad left he and his mom before tom was even born. but it all makes sense now. :P

having the US version, i envisioned both dean and lee jordan as being black. but for some reason i can't envision what the patil twins look like. in the third movie, they have parvati as a girl of indian heritage. who knows, they might change her like they have other characters. ahh i can't wait for the fourth movie!!

...for some reason i can't envision what the patil twins look like. in the third movie, they have parvati as a girl of indian heritage. who knows, they might change her like they have other characters. ahh i can't wait for the fourth movie!!Padma and Pavarti certainly have names from India, so I can't imagine them changing to another 'general appearance' even if they change actresses.

And Knee I felt just as stupid when I started reading about the books being loaded with clues and I realized the Diagon Alley/diagonally Knockturn Alley/Nocturnally puns - and I'm usually so good we puns!

this is probably stupid but is there meaning to "diagonally" and "nocturally" or just that they're Diagon Alley and Knockturn Alley strung together. i mean like is Diagon Alley diagonal from the Leaky Cauldron or something?

Well, I always loved the little touches like Diagon Alley/Knockturn Alley.

The pun names just seem to suit them so well (as well as being amusing for the sake of being puns). Diagonally makes me think a little off-centre, a little weird, a little unpredictable, kind of like off on a tangent - perfect for Diagon Alley. And nocturnally, well the association with darkness which is blatantly relevant to Knockturn Alley is obvious. Plus as an added bonus, the name itself sounds quite creepy to me. It always kind of makes me think of taking a 'wrong turn' into a nasty area. A weak connection, I know, but that's the feeling I get from it.

One think I really, really didn't like was in the third film when Harry uses the Floo Powder, and they have him cough 'diagonally' instead of 'Diagon Alley', and then a few moments later, the Weasleys comment on it. It's bad enough that he made the mistake in the first place, which is incredibly unlikely, seeing as the only reason he should have not pronounced the name clearly was because of all the dust thrown up, making him cough, and that isn't going to alter the way you pronounce something like that. When I heard that, I was like, oh dear, you just went and ruined all the subtlety in one of the book's amusing little names right there, and it didn't even make much sense - Harry would know how to pronounce 'Diagon Alley', especially after the Weasleys have just told him to say it clearly. This thought was followed by - oh well, at least it was still an amusing little touch. Then they went and had the Weasleys actually comment on it, thereby ruining the subtlety completely and making the whole thing more painful than anything. That just made me think, dear GOD, are these filmmakers TRYING to ruin the whole thing?!

That just made me think, dear GOD, are these filmmakers TRYING to ruin the whole thing?!
I think the aim was to help those who didn't understand the subtlety in the books, understand it in the films :)

Does that or does it not defeat the purpose of 'subtlety'?

Does that or does it not defeat the purpose of 'subtlety'?
Of course it does. But that doesn't mean that the film-makers won't want to get as much of the book packed into the film as is financially viable. It's an easy way of getting in some of the books' quirks into the films. I agree... it stinks.

another chess clue is in book two. This time Ron and Hermione are playing and Ron knocks off her knight. Foreshadowing anyone?
There is more but sadly I lent books 1-3 to someone so I can't find the other info... UGH ...missing my HPbooks (tears falling).

At the very beginning of Chapter 22 in GoF, the kids are in Transfiguration learning about Cross-Species Switches. And during the second task, that's exactly what Krum attempts to do on himself!

Minor, but made me chuckle. :)

I thought the same thing. It took me forever to figure out that it was his father.

lol you're lucky

It took me FOREVER to figure out who the Riddles even were.

I kept getting bored re-reading that chapter. I was like why are they talking about these random people, who are they. Then i was like WAIT A MINUTE, The Riddle House, OMG TOM RIDDLE FROM CHAMBER OF SECRETS one random day

I remember I was so happy that I went to tell my friend and he was like duh you idiot.

it took me like 2 or 3 readings in OOTP to notice that the murtlap thing harry uses after detentions is the same thing fred and george use to stop the blisters or whatever from coming up. and harry is the one who told lee to use it after lee got a detention, then lee told fred and george to use it in their newest candy.

wow sorry about how confusing that was....i know its not important, i just thought it was interesting :p

it took me like 2 or 3 readings in OOTP to notice that the murtlap thing harry uses after detentions is the same thing fred and george use to stop the blisters or whatever from coming up. and harry is the one who told lee to use it after lee got a detention, then lee told fred and george to use it in their newest candy.

wow sorry about how confusing that was....i know its not important, i just thought it was interesting :p

That is interesting. I caught part of it during my reading, but I don't remember Lee passing it on to F & G for either blister or the candy. Thanks for sharing. :)

lol you're lucky

It took me FOREVER to figure out who the Riddles even were.

I kept getting bored re-reading that chapter. I was like why are they talking about these random people, who are they. Then i was like WAIT A MINUTE, The Riddle House, OMG TOM RIDDLE FROM CHAMBER OF SECRETS one random day

I remember I was so happy that I went to tell my friend and he was like duh you idiot.

Oh my goodness, me too! I kept re-reading the first few pages, thinking "what the **** is JK doing writing about some stupid house? is she trying to make me throw the book away and stop reading, or what?".

And then finally (and I didn't even get this until after I had finished the whole book) I re-read the second book and I thought "Riddle! Tom Riddle! Riddle House... son, Tom... father's name... AH HA!" and then I realized that I must have been the only person in the world to not have realized that... even by the end of the book I had still managed to be ignorant.

I had half-mind to tell my mom but I realized that she had read the second one more recently than I had and she must have known and it would only serve the purpose for my mother to give me one of those "do I even have to say 'duh' for you to understand how retarded you are?" sort of looks...

Oh gosh, I just realized something.

The storyline with Barty Crouch Sr./Jr. seems a little impossible to work out, at first glance. All this time, I had no idea how people could've figured it out on a first reading (other things have had more obvious clues pointing to the big twist near the end of the books).

And then it hit me...the book starts out with another set of same-named family members...Tom Riddle Sr./Jr.!

Of course, only the MOST discerning readers would've realized about Tom Jr. in the beginning, but I'm sure some people did realize it. And lo and behold, one of the main plotlines in the book involves Barty Jr. Furthermore, both Jr's are Dark wizards...

Talk about foreshadowing! Good one, Jo!

This is a fascinating thread! It took me till OotP to figure out that Angelina was Black, (ah, too many Angelina Jolie movies....) and I had no idea about Dean OR Lee Jordan, which makes me feel rather unobservant. I always pictured Lee like my old neighbour Lee - small and blond and freckled. Ah, imagination. Anyway, I pictured the Patil twins as dark, maybe gypsy like, for some reason, and both really, relly pretty, favouring gyspy like clothes. I was really surprised to see them of Indian heritage in the movie, though they were really pretty, too. It was interesting to see the movies after having my own mental images of the characters in my head for so long, you know? Did Jo approve all the castings of the movie?

it took me like 2 or 3 readings in OOTP to notice that the murtlap thing harry uses after detentions is the same thing fred and george use to stop the blisters or whatever from coming up. and harry is the one who told lee to use it after lee got a detention, then lee told fred and george to use it in their newest candy.

Yeah, I noticed that one quite quickly...I thought it was really nicely done :)

This is a fascinating thread! It took me till OotP to figure out that Angelina was Black

0.0 She is?

She is?
I think so, although I have no proof (I'm too tired to check now). What I can remember though, is that she got braids in OotP, and this spoke to me of black heritage. Although that may seem a naive view, the few people I've ever known to have braids like the ones mentioned were those from black families, or those visiting mediterranean countries.

all along i thought that the sign:

Creature Induced Injuries
"Dangerous"
Dai Llwellyn Ward
Serious Bites
Where was this sign? :blush:

Jim Dale made it even worse when he said that he knew who died, and he made it sound like he was so cool, because he wants anticipation to set in and make us all go crazy!

The singsong voice of peeves that saved the Trio from Fluffy, The intrest that Barty Crouch takes in the where abouts of Bertha Jorkins early in GoF at the quiditch cup, he was more interested than most. How truly cool Luna is.

that reminds me of something that took me FOREVER to figure out. I think I read GOF like 15 times before I realized, the owners of the Ridlle house were LV grandparents and his dad and the teenager Frank saw was Tom Riddle Jr. (LV) I couldn't figure out how Tom Riddle was murdered but Voldemort was still living,until I FINALLY remembered Tom was his dad's name and Marvolo was his grandpa's name

Same here that took me forever to find out. I was like that doesn't make sense! ***! But finally it came to me, and I was OOOOHHHH!! haha

Me too. forever i was just like this isn't possible. i tried to figure out all kinds of theories like how you-know-who could extract himself from riddles body and stuff but day it just clicked and i was like "wow im a idiot"

Where was this sign? :blush: St Mungo's. OotP chapter 22. :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by HeRmIoNe_14
Erm..I was kind of stupid, but it took a timer to ralise that the Tom Riddle who died in the manor was actually Voledmort's father....thought he had faked death, it just didn't fit in


"I thought the same thing. It took me forever to figure out that it was his father."

Oh, man, I was just going nuts! V faked own death? Why kill his mummy?? V's parents elderly? TOm grown up - OK, maybe ...
Thanks so much. Needed a prod.

OMG, the Tom Riddle who died was Voldemort's FATHER?? Geeze, do I feel stupid. I never figured that out...I was like, how is he alive? Although I did notice how they died a long long time ago, a longer time ago than Voldemort's time. But wait, wasn't Tom Riddle then a kid? So how could he have a kid if he was still a kid? Confuseder...

Originally Posted by Willow0224
that reminds me of something that took me FOREVER to figure out. I think I read GOF like 15 times before I realized, the owners of the Ridlle house were LV grandparents and his dad and the teenager Frank saw was Tom Riddle Jr. (LV) I couldn't figure out how Tom Riddle was murdered but Voldemort was still living,until I FINALLY remembered Tom was his dad's name and Marvolo was his grandpa's name

yeah that took me 4 ever too

I thought that Voldy's father had remarried and had another son, but d'uh... (Why would he call his son Tom anyway?)
By the way, how did Voldy's mother die? Giving birth?

I thought that Voldy's father had remarried and had another son, but d'uh... (Why would he call his son Tom anyway?)
By the way, how did Voldy's mother die? Giving birth?Yes, she died soon after giving birth, living only long enough to name him 'Tom' after his father, 'Marvolo' after his grandfather.

So changing the subject to something I read that scared me... In CoS, right after the weasleys rescue harry and theyre flying back to the burrow, harry lets hedwig out and jk writes that she flies like a ghost beside the car. (or something like that.. sorry don't have my book with me.) Anyways, when I read it I was instantly reminded of her little foreshadowing about sirius when harry first arrived at grimmauld place and he thought it had the feeling of entering the house of a dying man. That's her style - to foreshadow by using descriptive analogies and now I'm scared that Hedwig might meet her end. I know it's not much - what do ya'll think?

One thing that I didn't notice until my current re-read of OotP is that the entire group of students that goes to the DoM at the end all end up in the same carriage on the way to Hogwarts at the beginning. I'm not necessarily saying this is important or anything, but it's something I noticed when I recently re-read that part...

OMG, the Tom Riddle who died was Voldemort's FATHER??

Snap, I didn't realise that until I read this thread...

It also took me until someone actually said it to realise that the Dursleys are a dysfunctional family. I knew they were mean to Harry, yes, but I had never thought of them as dysfunctional.

There you go, that shows how inobservant I can be.

So changing the subject to something I read that scared me... In CoS, right after the weasleys rescue harry and theyre flying back to the burrow, harry lets hedwig out and jk writes that she flies like a ghost beside the car. (or something like that.. sorry don't have my book with me.) Anyways, when I read it I was instantly reminded of her little foreshadowing about sirius when harry first arrived at grimmauld place and he thought it had the feeling of entering the house of a dying man. That's her style - to foreshadow by using descriptive analogies and now I'm scared that Hedwig might meet her end. I know it's not much - what do ya'll think?

Oh man that would explain why Harry would be getting a new pet in the next book or w/e JKR said. I love Hedwig, shes been in the whole series. But it could be a possibility which I hope it is not.

I just realised that Harry and Neville are even more opposite than I thought. When Moody shows Harry the photograph of the old order, Harry states that Nevilles Mother was exactly like Neville himself. So Harry is almost a dead ringer for his father, and Neville is almost a dead ringer for his mother. Cute.

elperuaan, I hadn't noticed that. Thank you for pointing that out!

I'm hopeful that Hedwig will survive, too, Hermionefan22, but I don't think so given JKR's comments about Harry getting a new pet!

The thing that took me forever to figure out: How to get to the Room of Requirement, how Sirius fell behind the veil, and the prophecy.

Kill me for this, but...I didn't get the 'uranus' joke in GoF the first time I read it.

Kill me for this, but...I didn't get the 'uranus' joke in GoF the first time I read it.

What was the joke?

Ummmm....at the risk of offending our Prefects, here goes:
In Divination, Prof. Trelawney had them looking at planets, charting them, to see what their future would hold. Parvati and Lavender were working together, and Lavender called Prof. Trelawney to see her chart and identify an unaspected planet. Prof. Trelawney identified the planet as Uranus.
Ron said, "Can I have alook at Uranus too, Lavender?". Using phonetics, it comes out to be, "Can I have a look at your anus too, Lavender?".

Prefects, if this is out of bounds of PG-13, please delete!

Yea, that was Ron being funny... :) He is getting more like his brothers as he grows up.

Kill me for this, but...I didn't get the 'uranus' joke in GoF the first time I read it.
Shocking! *Everyone* has heard the Uranus joke at least a *thinks* squillion times before they're 15, thanks to the immature boys at school!

on p. 575, GoF, Trelawney says that "Today, however, will be an excellent opportunity to examine the effects of Mars, for he is placed most interestingly at the present time."

It reminded me of SS, when the Centaurs kept saying "Mars is bright tonight." Soon after, Harry encountered Voldemort (he had sorta 'risen' out of obscurity that night).

And soon after Trelawney's reference to Mars, Harry encounters Voldemort again...and this time, he has really 'risen' again.

To make it even more interesting, Mars/Aries is the god of war. And that's exactly what is happening soon...war (the last chapter of OotP is "The Second War Begins").

on p. 575, GoF, Trelawney says that "Today, however, will be an excellent opportunity to examine the effects of Mars, for he is placed most interestingly at the present time."

It reminded me of SS, when the Centaurs kept saying "Mars is bright tonight." Soon after, Harry encountered Voldemort (he had sorta 'risen' out of obscurity that night).

And soon after Trelawney's reference to Mars, Harry encounters Voldemort again...and this time, he has really 'risen' again.

To make it even more interesting, Mars/Aries is the god of war. And that's exactly what is happening soon...war (the last chapter of OotP is "The Second War Begins").This may interest you
Harry mislabeled Venus as Mars, take two (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=53539&highlight=mars)

This may interest you
Harry mislabeled Venus as Mars, take two (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=53539&highlight=mars)
ooh, that is interesting. thanks! :)

...The Tom Riddle who died was Voldemort's FATHER??

I'm still not convinced at this. This makes as much sence as the theory of marrying again and having a son about the age of Tom.

Since Tom Sr. left his wife before she gave birth to Tom Jr. (Voldemort) it is very possible that he re-married at once -you know, to move on and forget that witch- and have a son that could be about one year younger than Tom Jr. (Voldemort) Which insidentally he names Tom Jr. (Muggle) after himself. Remember that he doesn't know that Tom Jr. (Voldemort) is named Tom Jr. since he was named by his mother.

Assuming say that Tom Sr. had both Toms between age 35 and 36 and that Tom Jr. (Voldemort) kills them at age 18.

Under this circumnstances the tripple murder would be:
- Tom Riddle Sr. (Voldemort's Father) at age 53...
- Mrs. Riddle II (Voldemort's Step-mom) who cares...
- Tom Riddle Jr. (Muggle and Voldemort's half-brother) at age 17...

A 17 years old marriage with a 53 years old husband, could be the elderly Riddles, and a 17 year old Tom could be their grown up son.

Of course if the murdered Tom was Tom Sr. then he would be more grown up and his parents a lot more elderly. And certainly Tom Sr. would be -arround 50 years old and living with his parents- a complete LOOSER!!!

I guess on the end it all depends on the definition of grown-up and elderly.

I don't think there is cannon evidence to support either way over the other one.

I'm still not convinced at this. This makes as much sence as the theory of marrying again and having a son about the age of Tom.

Since Tom Sr. left his wife before she gave birth to Tom Jr. (Voldemort) it is very possible that he re-married at once -you know, to move on and forget that witch- and have a son that could be about one year younger than Tom Jr. (Voldemort) Which insidentally he names Tom Jr. (Muggle) after himself. Remember that he doesn't know that Tom Jr. (Voldemort) is named Tom Jr. since he was named by his mother.

Assuming say that Tom Sr. had both Toms between age 35 and 36 and that Tom Jr. (Voldemort) kills them at age 18.

Under this circumnstances the tripple murder would be:
- Tom Riddle Sr. (Voldemort's Father) at age 53...
- Mrs. Riddle II (Voldemort's Step-mom) who cares...
- Tom Riddle Jr. (Muggle and Voldemort's half-brother) at age 17...

A 17 years old marriage with a 53 years old husband, could be the elderly Riddles, and a 17 year old Tom could be their grown up son.

Of course if the murdered Tom was Tom Sr. then he would be more grown up and his parents a lot more elderly. And certainly Tom Sr. would be -arround 50 years old and living with his parents- a complete LOOSER!!!

I guess on the end it all depends on the definition of grown-up and elderly.

I don't think there is cannon evidence to support either way over the other one.
While I think you're right about there not being anything in canon about which Tom Riddle was killed, I also think that, even with JKR and her twisty storylines, it's best to remember Occam's Razor (http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/OCCAMRAZ.html) -- the simplest explanation is probably the one that is correct.

While I think you're right about there not being anything in canon about which Tom Riddle was killed, I also think that, even with JKR and her twisty storylines, it's best to remember Occam's Razor -- the simplest explanation is probably the one that is correct.

touchè :)

I was rereading PS/SS the other day and I noticed this:

"Christmas was coming. One morning in mid-December, Hogwarts woke to find itself in several feet of snow. The lake froze solid and the Weasely twins were punished for bewitching several snowballs so that they followed Quirrell around, bounching off the back of his turban."

I know that it may not reveal anything, but we later find out that Quirrell only had a turban because Voldemort was on the back of his head.

I'm rereading all the books in preparation for HBP and I noticed that the Gringott's vault number where the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone was kept was 713. The numbers added together make 11, and they got the stone from the vault on Harry's 11th birthday.

I don't know if someone already made a note about this but vault number 713 is just a flip from Harry's birthday of 731. But that is really cool that the addition of those numbers is his age that day.

Hermy_own

I know that it may not reveal anything, but we later find out that Quirrell only had a turban because Voldemort was on the back of his head.
I think that Quirrell used the turbant before he had Voldemort in his head...

At the beginning of PS we learn thet Quirrell can touch harry

"P-P-Potter," stammered Professor Quirrell, grasping Harry's hand, "c-can't t-tell you how p– pleased I am to meet you."

I believe that Voldemort only gets inside Quirrell after he failed to steel the stone from vault 713

"He does not forgive mistakes easily. When I failed to steal the stone from Gringotts, he was most displeased. He punished me... decided he would have to keep a closer watch on me..."

Last night I was reading the part about the brain enhancers in OotP when I picked up this little bit
"Harry and Ron were much tempted by the bottle of Baruffio's Brain Elixir offered to them by Ravenclaw sixth year Eddie Carmichael, who swore it was solely resposible for the nine "Outstanding" OWLs he had gained the previous summer and was offering a whole pint for a mere twelve galleons" UKpb624

I dont know why but something clicked and I remembered this line from Flitwick in PS...
"Swish and flick, remember, swish and flick. And saying the magic words properly is very important, too - never forget Wizard Barrufio, who said 's' instead of 'f' and found himself on the floor with a buffalo on his chest."

We should have known it was a con just from that :lol:

I don't know if someone already made a note about this but vault number 713 is just a flip from Harry's birthday of 731. But that is really cool that the addition of those numbers is his age that day.I dont know if you realise but in england they use the day/month/year format which means Harry's birthday is 31/7, so I spose that theory works.

Another clue hinting at Ron's death, and another reason we'll be kicking ourselves when Hermione dies, and Ron lives to a ripe old age going to the pub with Harry every Sunday afternoon.

You know your right. Everybody keeps talking about Ron dying but never, Hermione. That would be a perfect JK twist. Sad but perfect.

While I think you're right about there not being anything in canon about which Tom Riddle was killed, I also think that, even with JKR and her twisty storylines, it's best to remember Occam's Razor (http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/OCCAMRAZ.html) -- the simplest explanation is probably the one that is correct.But putting the existing canonical evidense together....
One Tom Riddle was killed in the Riddle house. Another Tom Riddle is alive and well as Voldemort. Both Barty Crouch jr and Voldemort himself has said clearly that Voldemort did indeed kill his own father. So, if the 'grown up son Tom' wasn't Voldything's father we need to have a third Tom to explain it. :D

I dont know if someones already posted this but in book 5 it hints to Siruis' death in St. Mungos, the signs leading to Mr Weasleys ward, the first word of each makes "creature dangerous dai serious" or rather "kreacher dangerous die sirius"

But putting the existing canonical evidense together....
One Tom Riddle was killed in the Riddle house. Another Tom Riddle is alive and well as Voldemort. Both Barty Crouch jr and Voldemort himself has said clearly that Voldemort did indeed kill his own father. So, if the 'grown up son Tom' wasn't Voldything's father we need to have a third Tom to explain it. :D
Yeah, I was gonna add that stuff like that was explained later in GoF (it's been a while since I've read it but I just got through that part today). But I didn't have a chance; you beat me to it! :)

"He said my blood would make him stronger than if he’d used someone else’s,” Harry told Dumbledore. “He said the protection my – my mother left in me – he’d have it too. And he was right – he could touch me without hurting himself, he touched my face.”

For a fleeting instant, Harry thought he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore’s eyes. But next second, Harry was sure he imagined it, for when Dumbledore had returned to his seat behind the desk, he looked as old and weary as Harry had ever seen him.
– page 696, Chapter 36 “The Parting of the Ways”, Goblet of Fire American Hardback Edition

I didn't really pay attention to this the 1st time I read it, but when I was re-reading it, it sounded very suspicious. Especially because JKR always says something for a reason. What do you think this means?

For a fleeting instant, Harry thought he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore’s eyes. But next second, Harry was sure he imagined it, for when Dumbledore had returned to his seat behind the desk, he looked as old and weary as Harry had ever seen him.
– page 696, Chapter 36 “The Parting of the Ways”, Goblet of Fire American Hardback Edition

I didn't really pay attention to this the 1st time I read it, but when I was re-reading it, it sounded very suspicious. Especially because JKR always says something for a reason. What do you think this means?


This is one of the most discussed lines of the saga:
Have a look here (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=16076&highlight=look+triumph) and here (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=47&highlight=look+triumph)

I personally think Dumbledore is happy because he believes Voldemort now to be human enough to die.

Ok, here's something that I only JUST noticed, and thought someone could help me with. IN PS/SS Hagrid says that James and Lily Potter were 'head boy and girl in their day'. Then I remembered that in OotP we find out that LUPIN, not JAMES was a prefect. I don't think there's anything to say that you have to be a prefect to be head boy, but it would sort of make sense, wouldn't it...? It just seems strange that James would be head boy, when he wasn't a prefect. ANy ideas/ know anything that I don't about this!?

I think that Quirrell used the turbant before he had Voldemort in his head...

At the beginning of PS we learn thet Quirrell can touch harry

"P-P-Potter," stammered Professor Quirrell, grasping Harry's hand, "c-can't t-tell you how p– pleased I am to meet you."

I believe that Voldemort only gets inside Quirrell after he failed to steel the stone from vault 713

"He does not forgive mistakes easily. When I failed to steal the stone from Gringotts, he was most displeased. He punished me... decided he would have to keep a closer watch on me..."

I agree that Voldemort moved into Quirrell's head to keep a closer eye on him: he did this after Quirrell had failed to steal the Stone on Harry's birthday. Quirrell started to wear the turban in order to hide Voldemort; I don't think there was any other reason. When he met Harry first, Voldemort-less, in the Leaky Cauldron, there's no mention of the turban, and when Harry arrives at school, he notices specifically, at the feast, that Quirrell is looking odd due to wearing a turban - this strongly suggests that the turban is new to Harry.

I wonder if Fred and George throwing snowballs at Voldemort foreshadows anything? They're brave, we know, and sometimes reckless: will they try to attack him?

I just noticed this a few days ago. Look at the description of Ginny running after the train in book 1, and Sirius as a dog running after the train in book 5. The descriptions sound suspiciously similar, disappearing after the train turns the corner... I wonder if we should be worried about her.

I think that Quirrell used the turbant before he had Voldemort in his head...

At the beginning of PS we learn thet Quirrell can touch harry

"P-P-Potter," stammered Professor Quirrell, grasping Harry's hand, "c-can't t-tell you how p– pleased I am to meet you."

I believe that Voldemort only gets inside Quirrell after he failed to steel the stone from vault 713

"He does not forgive mistakes easily. When I failed to steal the stone from Gringotts, he was most displeased. He punished me... decided he would have to keep a closer watch on me..."

I don't have the book in front of me, so I can't give exact quotes or page numbers to verify this, but the same thing bothered me until I went back and re-read the part where Quirrell met Harry in the pub, and there was no mention of a turban at that point. It isn't until Harry sees Quirrell during the beginning of the year feast that he notices the turban. There was some time between the meeting in the pub and the start of term, so I believe that Quirrell was not yet 'possessed' by LV when he shook Harry's hand, so could freely touch him.
Quirrell IS wearing the turban when he meets Harry for the first time in the movie... but I personally think that's because it would be too obvious about the turban if we actually see him without it first. (Why Harry doesn't pick up on it in the book is anyone's guess... but then, who expects LV to be hiding under someone's hat?)
Again though, I don't have my book in front of me, so I COULD be wrong about this. A rare occurance, but it's been known to happen :-)

wow you guys really pick up the details... ron might die :( that is sad but it would have a vast impacy on harry.. poor ron :(

wow you guys really pick up the details... ron might die :( that is sad but it would have a vast impacy on harry.. poor ron :(
Don't be sad *hugs* for he has not yet died! He may not die within the confines of the book either. We must have faith in Jo, and in our positive thinking :eyebrows:

And hope that Sirius comes back!

so i'm sure by now most of us have re-read and re-read book six. here are a few things i noticed whilst in the middle of my re-reading:

+ when dumbledore and harry go to call upon horace slughorn in chapter 3, dumbledore, on page 66, gets horace "to have one last drink for old times sake." dumbledore goes to the restroom as slughorn boozes it up and then he's talking to harry, which leads to his accepting of dumbledore's offer to teach at hogwarts.
this reminds me of how harry got slughorn to give him the proper horcrux memory

+ on page 113, chapter six, when the malfoys meet the trio in malkin's robe shop, narcissa says to harry "I see that being Dumbledore's favorite has given you a false sense of security, Harry Potter. But Dumbledore won't always be there to protect you." harry then proceeds to mock narcissa's statement.
there. dumbledore's death. it was foreshadowed BIG time.

oh yea! .. runs off to re read that

That second one is a good'n and I don't really know what you mean about the first one.

I noticed the second one immediatly. And the first one is characteristic of Slughorn. Put him with stuff he wants (liqour or crystallized pineapple) and famous/good people (Harry, Tom Riddle) and his mouth opens (the memory, horcruxes)

I noticed the second one immediatly. And the first one is characteristic of Slughorn. Put him with stuff he wants (liqour or crystallized pineapple) and famous/good people (Harry, Tom Riddle) and his mouth opens (the memory, horcruxes)
exactly. i'm too verbose. sorry.

I picked up on this after rereading:

"What was that About?" whispered Ron, reeling in the Extendable Ears
" Dunno," Said Harry, thinking hard. "He wants something mended...and he wants to reserve something in there...Could you see what he pointed at when he said 'that one'?"
"No, he was behind that cabinet--" p.126.

The trio saw the Vanishing cabinet, but fail to realize that cabinet was what Malfoy wanted reserved.

I suspected ever since the chapter with narcissa, bellatrix, and snape that malfoy's mission might be to kill dumbledore. Narcissa said someone who even the Dark Lord had failed to kill and that gave the options of Harry and Dumbledore as people Malfoy would have access to. I was sure his mission was to kill Dumbledore after the Hogwarts express. He could easily have done Avada Kedavra instead of stamping on Harry's face. He would have accomplished his mission no problem if it was to kill Harry, but he didn't.

I picked up on this after rereading:

"What was that About?" whispered Ron, reeling in the Extendable Ears
" Dunno," Said Harry, thinking hard. "He wants something mended...and he wants to reserve something in there...Could you see what he pointed at when he said 'that one'?"
"No, he was behind that cabinet--" p.126.

The trio saw the Vanishing cabinet, but fail to realize that cabinet was what Malfoy wanted reserved.
Oh yeah. That was a big give away. I'm going off to re-read again. :D

I also thought that instead of the obvious Harry target that they would go for Dumbledore.

I can't find the reference offhand, but there's a lovely bit where Harry says the Half-Blood Prince is a much better Potions teacher than Snape... the irony hits you second time round.

Draco's thoughts on the train at the beginning are suspiciously similar to Harry's at the end; they have both grown out of school, both probably won't be here next year because they'll be out in the big wide world doing more important stuff. To me this is a hint that they'll meet again, but not at school.

When Narcissa and Bellatrix arrive at Spinner's End, they call it a "muggle dunghill" and suggest they are the first of "their kind" to set foot in it. On first reading I didn't think much of this, just pureblood snobbery. On second reading, however, it's clear that they are there on purpose to visit Snape: they know he lives there. So, they're the first purebloods to visit the area; that's the first hint that Snape isn't a pureblood (either that or I'm over-analyzing. Maybe I should go to sleep).

This isn't quite a several-readings-to-catch, but after reading about R.A.B., i noticed how many mentions of Regulus Black there were earlier in the book; quite gratuitous mentions that appear to serve only to keep Regulus in our minds ready for the locket episode.

Dumbledore and Harry are starting to exchange roles: near the beginning Dumbledore is confident that Harry is safe because he is with him; Harry can't be harmed while Dumbledore is there. By the end, Dumbledore is saying that he isn't afraid, he knows he's OK because Harry is there. The protector becomes the protected.

In the first potions class with Slughorn, one of the scents Harry smells coming from the Amortentia love potion was something flowery he thought he might have smelled at the Burrow. The steam rising from the potion smells differently to different people according to what attracts them. Then back in the common room Harry catches a "sudden waft of that flowery smell he had picked up in Slughorn's dungeon" and looks around and sees Ginny. A clue that Harry is attracted to Ginny. :eyebrows:

Dumbledore and Harry are starting to exchange roles: near the beginning Dumbledore is confident that Harry is safe because he is with him; Harry can't be harmed while Dumbledore is there. By the end, Dumbledore is saying that he isn't afraid, he knows he's OK because Harry is there. The protector becomes the protected.
i noticed this too! in chapter 3 dumbledore tells harry he has nothing to worry about because harry is with him... and then after the inferi battle, dumbles tells harry he's not afraid because dumbles is with harry...

awwwwwww

When Dumbledore is explaining what Inferi are to Harry on the way to Slughorn's he says "'He killed enough people to make an army of them, of course.'" Well that's exactly what he did.

And when Harry is having his inner dialogue about Ginny he says to himself "' He'd hit you What if I don't care?'" Later on when he's giving his reasons for breaking up with her, she says "'What if I don't care?'"

I haven't reread the book yet, I just caught those two while I was looking for ther stuff.

When Dumbledore is explaining what Inferi are to Harry on the way to Slughorn's he says "'He killed enough people to make an army of them, of course.'" Well that's exactly hat he did.

And when Harry is having is inner dialogue about Ginny he says to himself "' He'd hit you What i I don't care?'" Later on when he's giving his reasons for breaking up with her, she says "'What if I don't care?'"

I haven't reread the book yet, I just caught those two while Iwas looking for ther stuff.


:huh: That's really interesting. I'm gonna read up on that.

I noticed after my first read that the way it all worked out, OOTP was all a big set-up for HBP in that it got us all thinking that Harry was wrong and everybody else was right. Throughout OOTP Harry was out of control and angry, and as a result he was usually wrong about everything (like not listening to Hermione at the end). By the time I read HBP, I was so used to Harry being wrong about his theories that I didn't see the end coming at all, even though upon rereading the book there's tons of evidence to support Harry's ideas that everybody ignores (or, in DDs case, pretends to ignore).

yeah i noticed that, too. hermione and ron were even accusing harry of being hasty with accusing draco, saying he was obsessed. no one believed harry about draco and snape yet again.

and look what happened? =\

Crookshanks800 I brought up almost that exact thing in the romance post. I conected the potion smell to Ginny on page 611 when she directs him back to the castle after DD dies. I missed the one you were talking about. I am only in my second re-read though. I read it the first time way to fast.

yeah i noticed that, too. hermione and ron were even accusing harry of being hasty with accusing draco, saying he was obsessed. no one believed harry about draco and snape yet again.

and look what happened? =\

I thought this part of the book was kind of funny! I don't know how many of you here remember the TV show "A Pup Named Scooby Doo" with kiddie versions of all the people from the original "Scooby Doo Mysteries" but Harry and Draco in this book reminded me of Fred and Red Harry in that show. Fred was ALWAYS accusing Red Harry of being the bad guy they were chasing, and he was ALWAYS wrong. Meanwhile his nerdy friend Velma was always right.

Okay, I just gave myself away as a complete geek for even bringing that up, and it's kind of off-topic, but if any of you actually remember that show, you'll see that I'm right! :rotfl:

YES! this is exactly what i thought. fred and red herring!!! lol and then there was that ONE episode where fred wouldn't/couldn't accuse red herring... and then the bad guy was red herring... :rotfl:

I suspected ever since the chapter with narcissa, bellatrix, and snape that malfoy's mission might be to kill dumbledore. Narcissa said someone who even the Dark Lord had failed to kill and that gave the options of Harry and Dumbledore as people Malfoy would have access to. I was sure his mission was to kill Dumbledore after the Hogwarts express. He could easily have done Avada Kedavra instead of stamping on Harry's face. He would have accomplished his mission no problem if it was to kill Harry, but he didn't.

If you go back and re-read that section you'll see Narcissa never finishes that sentence. It certainly leads you to believe she is talking about killing either Harry or Albus, but she never actually says it. No idea if it's important or not, but it sticks in my head.

During the Unbreakable Vow, when they were performing the spell, right before Narcissa says that Snape would carry out the task if Draco would fail, Snape's hand twitched.
I took this as he may have wanted to pull his hand away but couldn't because that might've thrown his cover...?
I noticed this the other night while starting my re-reading.

Posted this in the discussion about the vanishing cabinets, but it fits here too --

Mrs. Weasley offered Fleur a heirloom tiara for the wedding. Harry puts a tiara on top of the bust to mark where the potions book is.

We have no idea what Raveclaw's heirloom is....

Here's something odd I noticed on the re-read, but don't know if it means anything:

In the beginning, when Dumbledore drops Harry off at the Burrow (having just visited Slughorn's house), DD tells Harry to keep his Invisibility Cloak with him at all times, even at Hogwarts. But at the end, just before DD and Harry go to the Inferi cave, DD tells Harry to fetch his cloak, just assuming that he [Harry] doesn't have it with him (which he didn't). Simple mistake or something more telling? :huh:

During the Unbreakable Vow, when they were performing the spell, right before Narcissa says that Snape would carry out the task if Draco would fail, Snape's hand twitched.
I took this as he may have wanted to pull his hand away but couldn't because that might've thrown his cover...?
I noticed this the other night while starting my re-reading.


maybe the fact that snape's hand twitched could show the fact that he's still loyal to dumbledore. I didn't buy the story that snape told Narcsiaa when she asked him why he didn't kill Harry yet after so many chances

Here's something odd I noticed on the re-read, but don't know if it means anything:

In the beginning, when Dumbledore drops Harry off at the Burrow (having just visited Slughorn's house), DD tells Harry to keep his Invisibility Cloak with him at all times, even at Hogwarts. But at the end, just before DD and Harry go to the Inferi cave, DD tells Harry to fetch his cloak, just assuming that he [Harry] doesn't have it with him (which he didn't). Simple mistake or something more telling? :huh:

well if you read on page 551, ch. 25 when dumbledore sends harry to get his cloak:
Dumbledore turned back to look out of the fiery window; the sun was now a ruby red glare along the horizon. Harry walked quickly from the office and down the spiral staircase. His mind was oddly clear all of a sudden. He knew what to do."
then harry tells ron and hermione and gives them the felix felicis, yada yada yada... i thought it was odd, too when i read it, when dumbles asked harry to get his cloak. it could be because dumbles is a legilimens and figured out harry didn't have his cloak on him, or maybe it was because he knew what was up (he knew abou draco) and knew that harry would prepare the others. i dunno. *shrugs*

When Narcissa and Bellatrix arrive at Spinner's End, they call it a "muggle dunghill" and suggest they are the first of "their kind" to set foot in it. On first reading I didn't think much of this, just pureblood snobbery. On second reading, however, it's clear that they are there on purpose to visit Snape: they know he lives there. So, they're the first purebloods to visit the area; that's the first hint that Snape isn't a pureblood

so, then do Cissy and Bella know that Snape is a half-blood? Did Voldemort know? That's interesting considering you'd think there is no way that Voldemort would let a half-blood into the DE clan. Is there some significance here?

I don't think anyone caught my favorite double take moment in the book . . .

When Harry asked the RoR for a place to hide something, there was the Vanishing Cabinents right in there where Draco had been working on the whole time as part of his plan.

Whoever pointed out the dialogue in front of Borgin and Burkes where Ron says he couldn't see Draco b/c he was "behind the cabinet . . . "--Good on you!

ETA: Oops, I think this was mentioned in the Vanishing Cabinent thread that I didn't see . . . Sorry

I don't think anyone caught my favorite double take moment in the book . . .

When Harry asked the RoR for a place to hide something, there was the Vanishing Cabinents right in there where Draco had been working on the whole time as part of his plan.

Whoever pointed out the dialogue in front of Borgin and Burkes where Ron says he couldn't see Draco b/c he was "behind the cabinet . . . "--Good on you!

ETA: Oops, I think this was mentioned in the Vanishing Cabinent thread that I didn't see . . . Sorry

There is a good discussion of this at:
http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=61423

I think the RoR is going to be important in 7.

so, then do Cissy and Bella know that Snape is a half-blood? Did Voldemort know? That's interesting considering you'd think there is no way that Voldemort would let a half-blood into the DE clan. Is there some significance here?

Well, that is the question, isn't it? I think he'd have ways of knowing if someone were a pureblood or not, but I guess that wouldn't work so well since Snape's such a good occlumens. I think if Narcissa and Bella knew about Snape and Voldemort didn't, Bella at least would be itching to tell him. Maybe they just consider their heritage slightly above even a regular pureblood.

The thing that I noticed, because I've just begun rereading the book, occured to me when Dumbledore and Harry are in the Weasley's broom shed. Harry remarks how hard it is to believe that Sirius would never be writing to him again, that even the loss of a correspondent is a blow, in addition to just losing Sirius.

Then Dumbledore's preferred method of communication with Harry about his lessons are through handwritten notes, given to other students by Dumbledore. How often did Dumbledore personally contact students? There is always someone Harry knows coming up to him and handing him the note. As far as I can recall in the books, Dumbledore has not really had to contact the students often- it's not as if the students were conveniently in his office. I think Dumbledore may have done this just as a gesture to Harry. There are many other way, I'm sure, that Dumbledore could have contacted him to arrange lessons- the memos in the MoM are an example of another way, a message by floo, a message through the teachers who Dumbledore MUST have more contact with than students. I think Dumbledore was going out his way in this regard to have a type of correspondence with Harry, and when I realized it, I thought, once more, what a magnificent fellow Dumbledore was. :)

I didn't get this the first time through, and it made me laugh. When Harry is getting ready to take the Felix Felicis, he admits to himself that he had some other uses in mind.

Harry did not answer. The thought of that little golden bottle had hovered on the edges of his imagination for some time; vague and unformulated plans that involved Ginny splitting up with Dean ... (p. 472, US)

After he takes the potion, he encounters Ginny as he's leaving the Griffindor tower.

Getting through the portrait hole was simple; as he approached it, Ginny and Dean came through it, and Harry was able to slip between them. As he did so, he brushed accidentally against Ginny. "Don't push me, please, Dean," she said, sounding annoyed... (p. 478, US)

And then the next day, Harry finds out that they broke up.

Keeping his face as immobile and his voice as indifferent as he could, he asked, "How come?"
"Oh, something really silly ... She said he was always trying to help her through the portrait hole, like she couldn't climb in for herself ..." (p. 514, US)


That Felix! Harry had no idea that it helped him get both the memory and his girlfriend!

well if you read on page 551, ch. 25 when dumbledore sends harry to get his cloak:

then harry tells ron and hermione and gives them the felix felicis, yada yada yada... i thought it was odd, too when i read it, when dumbles asked harry to get his cloak. it could be because dumbles is a legilimens and figured out harry didn't have his cloak on him, or maybe it was because he knew what was up (he knew abou draco) and knew that harry would prepare the others. i dunno. *shrugs*
That's very interesting. But wouldn't Harry know? Harry knew when Snape was Legilimencing him in the bathroom, after he attacked Malfoy. Hmm.

YES! this is exactly what i thought. fred and red herring!!! lol and then there was that ONE episode where fred wouldn't/couldn't accuse red herring... and then the bad guy was red herring... :rotfl:


Sweeeeeeeet! We can be geeks together. :rotfl:

+ when dumbledore and harry go to call upon horace slughorn in chapter 3, dumbledore, on page 66, gets horace "to have one last drink for old times sake." dumbledore goes to the restroom as slughorn boozes it up and then he's talking to harry, which leads to his accepting of dumbledore's offer to teach at hogwarts.

What I remember even more was Dumbledore explaining how he was reading Muggle magazines in the bathroom. :rotfl:

That Felix! Harry had no idea that it helped him get both the memory and his girlfriend!

Oh! I never even put that together! Hahaha that's so funny.

Thst second quote is really interesting, I haven't reread it yet because my sister only finished it yesterday.

Harry sees Professor Trelawny several times in the corridors. One time she has a deck of cards and is pulling out spades. She says something like no matter what way she shuffles them, it is always spades, which is conflict. She tries to tell Dumbledore about this, but "ignores the warnings the cards show". Is it possible that Prof. Trelawny could actually see what was going to happen, that divination does work!!

I didn't get this the first time through, and it made me laugh. When Harry is getting ready to take the Felix Felicis, he admits to himself that he had some other uses in mind.

After he takes the potion, he encounters Ginny as he's leaving the Griffindor tower.

And then the next day, Harry finds out that they broke up.


That Felix! Harry had no idea that it helped him get both the memory and his girlfriend!

I actually caught that on reading #1 :)

Great thread btw.

I didn't get this the first time through, and it made me laugh. When Harry is getting ready to take the Felix Felicis, he admits to himself that he had some other uses in mind.

After he takes the potion, he encounters Ginny as he's leaving the Griffindor tower.

And then the next day, Harry finds out that they broke up.


That Felix! Harry had no idea that it helped him get both the memory and his girlfriend!

I think it might've also helped him get rid of Lavender, if I were him I would've been lucky to get rid of her (all that Won-won stuff made me dislike her).




That's very interesting. But wouldn't Harry know? Harry knew when Snape was Legilimencing him in the bathroom, after he attacked Malfoy. Hmm.


Snape might not be a very good legilimens, because Harry couldn't tell when Voldemort was using it against him to tell whether or not he was lying, nor did he have memories flashing in front of his eyes whenever he got the feeling Dumbledore was trying to see into his mind (which he may not have been, but it's very possible).

I doubt Snape would have to be an expert at legilimency to be an expert at occlumency (which he most certainly was if he could defend against Voldemort's legilimency, if he was really loyal to Dumbledore).