The Graveyard at Hogwarts?

In an interview on BBC's newsround (TV) today Alfonso revealed that JK asked him not to include a graveyard at Hogwarts as it was to be in book six. What do you think will happen there.
Could it be where James and Lily are buried?

Do you have a link to the interview?

A school with a graveyard seems an odd thing... but it's an odd place. :) I can see it being the final resting place of Lily and James, but I'm surprised he was asked not to include it. That kind of intro seems perfect. Unless, perhaps, the graveyard has some kind of charm to keep it hidden?

Now there's an idea. If magically hidden it wouldn't be readily visible to passers-by. Outside of guarding the resting place of the dead, what purpose could hiding it serve? More secrets to be revealed, perhaps?

Sorry no i just saw it on the tv

If so, there should be word of it on Mugglenet.
It seems strange that Jo would let anything like that out in an interview if she really didn't want anyone to know about it beforehand, wouldn't you say?

Jo didn't say it. Alfonso did. About 20 minuets ago mind so I doubt it'll be up yet.
If anyone in the uk taped it could they put it up? Failing that newsround'll probably put the transcript up.

A school with a graveyard seems an odd thing...

We had a cemetery at our school. As most of the school was on convent land the nun's cemetery was technically part of the school and very much out of bounds.

We also had the old parish cemetery next door.

In Years 11 and 12 the so-called study rooms looked out over the nun's cemetery and many hours were spent trying to fly paper planes from the first floor window across the nc into the pc.

We never succeeded.

maybe it's something to do with the person who died in book five's funeral - *weep* - and maybe it'll coincidentally be the graveyard in book four - hmm unlikely, but those are the only graveyards I can think. Why would they want to include a graveyard in the film anyway? haven't read prisoner of azkaban for ages so maybe i'm forgetting something...?

Could a cemetary on the school grounds be the reason why the Forbidden Forest is indeed Forbidden? I mean other than the fact that there are mean nasty things living the forest? Figure that if the cemetary was hiding some sort of secret, it could be in the forest, and Dumbledore wouldn't want the students to wander into the forest and discover the cemetary.
Just a wild thought that occured to me while reading the thread. It also strikes me that the cemetary has never been mentioned in any of the other books. Could this be because Harry and the gang have never seen it, and therefore do not know about it?
Another possibility here is that the Cemetary in question is in the Chamber of Secrets.

maybe it's something to do with the person who died in book five's funeral - *weep* - and maybe it'll coincidentally be the graveyard in book four - hmm unlikely, but those are the only graveyards I can think. Why would they want to include a graveyard in the film anyway? haven't read prisoner of azkaban for ages so maybe i'm forgetting something...?

there was no body so probably not.

The graveyard isn't in the third book. perhaps it's a detail about the castle jo said they could show so it dosent seem like they randomly added it in the sixth film.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/video/40210000/rm/_40210415_cn_nr5_vi.ram

You can watch todays show for yourselves

FoxyDoxy: I couldn't get the video to play, so I can't tell whether that refers to the 6th book or not. However in a posted interview online here is what he said:

Q: How does the collaboration with Rowling work? Does she have director approval?

A: I assume?I don?t really know if it?s contractual or a courtesy, but I met with her. She was great. She was very keen on following the spirit of the book, in other words trying to do a good adaptation. At the same time [she asked me] not to put elements that would contradict the stuff either in her universe or that was going to happen in books five, six. In one moment I had this graveyard, and she says, ?No, that graveyard can?t be there,? and I say, ?Why?? ?Because the graveyard is in this other place,? and she gives you the whole explanation of why.

Here is a link to the full interview:

http://www.godrics-hollow.net/article1600.html

I took this to mean a reference to the graveyard scene in the fourth one.
Would be really cool to have another graveyard scene in the 6th one.

Maybe the graveyard is where some of the previous headmasters are buried.

If the link isn't working try going to newsrounds website and click on Fridays show.
The graveyard's not the one in 4 as alfonso says it's in a different wing of the castle.

Well, i suppose we will find out if Sirius has a funeral in the next book.

i think there has to be a graveyard in Hogsmede, after all it is the largest wizard town in Britain. For some reason the shrieking shack pops into my mind. :scared:

In POA it's described as 'the most haunted dwelling in Britain. It stood a little way above the rest of the village, and even in daylight was still creepy, with its boarded window and dank overgrown garden'.

Maybe there is a forgotten graveyard nearby, either in that overgrown garden or behind it. it would definately add to the eerieness of the place. And the reason why noone has noticed it yet is because all wizards try and avoid that place.

A school with a graveyard seems an odd thing... but it's an odd place. :) I can see it being the final resting place of Lily and James, but I'm surprised he was asked not to include it. That kind of intro seems perfect. Unless, perhaps, the graveyard has some kind of charm to keep it hidden?

Now there's an idea. If magically hidden it wouldn't be readily visible to passers-by. Outside of guarding the resting place of the dead, what purpose could hiding it serve? More secrets to be revealed, perhaps?
Yeah, like what if it contains the graves of former hogwarts students? Like lily, james, and the hogwarts ghosts, like myrtle and nick? Or perhaps the hogwarts founders are buried there???I think it would be a great intro to book 6!

Now Im even more anxious! Ive started to re-read the first five books as a summer hobbie :)

I think if there was a graveyard there it would be former Headmasters and there wouldn't be any secrets there.

Maybe this is where Snape lives? That's why it's hidden? :)

But seriously, I would think that it would be as previously mentioned where the founders of the school were burried. Maybe it lends the school part of the schools protection and sheilds against muggles instead of the other way around?
It would be freaky to find out that this is the graveyard from GoF. :scared:

I think it would make sense for there to be a graveyard at Hogwarts, it just seems the sort of place. However, i don't think that it can be the one in GoF, because wasn't Tom Riddle senior buried in that one? We know that he was a muggle, so I can't see that he would have been buried in a wizarding graveyard. I always thought of the GoF graveyard as being near Little Hangleton (wasn't that where Riddle senior lived?).

If the founders are buried there would it include Slytherin? He did after all leave the school.
Perhaps it's like the thesterals- you can only see it if you've seen death

If the founders are buried there would it include Slytherin? He did after all leave the school.
Perhaps it's like the thesterals- you can only see it if you've seen death
Yeah, but surely Harry would have heard about it from someone right? Than again, he didnt know about the thestrals until Luna explained that she could see them too.

I think it would make sense for there to be a graveyard at Hogwarts, it just seems the sort of place. However, i don't think that it can be the one in GoF, because wasn't Tom Riddle senior buried in that one? We know that he was a muggle, so I can't see that he would have been buried in a wizarding graveyard. I always thought of the GoF graveyard as being near Little Hangleton (wasn't that where Riddle senior lived?).

That's what my impression was: Harry was transported to Little Hangleton by the portkey/trophy.

As another possible graveyard theory; what if the students are kept away from it because of potential danger? A ghoul in the attic is bad enough, but imagine the kind of things you could get hanging out at the Hogwarts cemetary! ;)

In all seriousness, my guess is that it's either: a) not a secret, and just hasn't been mentioned up 'till now (which seems a bit odd); or b) it's kept a secret for some lore reason; there's knowledge to be found there, perhaps having to do with the Order or their business.

Yeah, like its been kept a secrect, so that Harry wouldnt go look for it to see if his parents were buried there or something?? I think thats what will happen next, Harry will discover his parents burial grounds.

I saw that on TV as well. What I don't get is why they're putting it in Azkaban, cos it's not in the books or the other films. Yet anyway.

It's just a nice gothic touch which would have suited caurons directing style and the mood of the fillm

OK I've found the exact words he used for us all to over analyse and pick to pieces on newsrounds website

Lizo: What was it like meeting JK, what was her advice like?

Alfonso: She said I should stay faithful to the spirit of the book not literal. That was entrusting me a lot of freedom. But freedom and responsibility is the same thing - I was like 'oh gosh - am I being faithful to the spirit?'

The amazing thing with JK as a collaborator is she doesn't stop you doing anything. The way she approaches it has nothing to do with 'I like' or 'I dislike' it's 'this makes sense' or 'it doesn't make sense in this universe.'

I give you an example: There's a scene where Malfoy wants to see Buckbeak being executed. It's where Hermione punches him. And there's a sundial. We thought we need something there. I said 'Let's put a graveyard there'.



Afonso at the world premiere

She says: 'No, you can't have a graveyard there'. And I'm like, 'Why?' She says: 'Oh because the graveyard is near this other wing of the castle and it's going to play an important part in number six because such and such and such.'

So then you say 'What about a sundial?' She says: 'That makes perfect sense because when the castle was built it was on an ancient Celtic site.' Bap bap bap!

You have to be humble and respect it! She has full control of that universe and you don't want to contradict that.

Lizo: So wow, there's a graveyard at Hogwarts that plays a crucial part in book six!

Alfonso: Six or seven. She said 'later on' - I don't have the specifics.

Whoa---back the truck up....did that interview just say that the castle was built on an Anicent Celtic site? Wow. that seems pretty significant in it self. I think we had all better head over the the Celtic Mythology thread and find out how the ancient Celts buried their dead.

Ok ok, but back to this cemetary. I would have to guess that it is most likely hidden by the forbidden forest. Granted there are dangers in the forest from monsters, but I think we have seen that there are enough good things in the forest, like the Unicorns, the Ford Anglia, and the Threstrials. I would guess that there was always more to why the students weren't allowed into the forest in the first place, and that this cemetary may be it. It is definately hiding a secret that Dumbledore obviously knows about, but wants to keep hidden from the rest of the school. How long has the Forbidden Forest been forbidden anyhow?

Like I said before, it could also be in the Chamber of Secrets. Perhaps all of the past heirs of Slytherin are buried in the Chamber, thus making it even more significant for Voldemort, as it is his ancestors that are buried there. It would almost make more sense than the Forest being the hiding place for the cemetary. It's possible that in all the excitement of CoS we missed something significant as to the Chamber also being the burial place of the Slytherin heirs. Hmmm....

Well if the cemetery is in the forest then Hagrid would know about it and he is not a god for keeping a secret he would most probably slip it and we would already know about it.

The interview says its near another wing which implys its in the grounds not the forest

I have always wondered why Harry has never asked where his parents are buried or gone to visit their graves. It would be very cool if the cemetary they are buried in was on the Hogwarts grounds, but if I were Harry, I would be extremely hostile that this fact has been kept from him all this time.

But if it's so near the castle, why hasn't Harry noticed it yet????? And wouldn't someone have told him if his parents were buried so near by? Maybe the people who became the Hogwarts ghosts are buried there...

But if it's so near the castle, why hasn't Harry noticed it yet????? And wouldn't someone have told him if his parents were buried so near by? Maybe the people who became the Hogwarts ghosts are buried there...

I agree...if Harry's parents are buried on the grounds, I think it is very naughty that no one has told him yet!

I also like the idea of the Hogwart's ghosts being buried there. It could also be the founders of the school.

I wonder if we will ever find out where the cemetary that Harry is "portkeyed" to in GoF is located???

Tombs of the founders of the castle, maybe? There could be a cemetary for people of particular merit who have served Hogwarts. If so, I hope it doesn't end up as Dumbledore's last resting place, but only because I won't be happy to see him go.

I wonder if we will ever find out where the cemetary that Harry is "portkeyed" to in GoF is located???

It's located near Tom Riddle's grandparent's/dad's hometown in Little Hangleton.

I have always wondered why Harry has never asked where his parents are buried or gone to visit their graves. It would be very cool if the cemetary they are buried in was on the Hogwarts grounds, but if I were Harry, I would be extremely hostile that this fact has been kept from him all this time.
Yes, I've always wondered that myself. Also, where his parents used to live.
Possibly seeing his folks graves (assuming there would have been something left to bury) would give away who else he is related to, which JKR is not yet ready to reveal. Makes me salivate even more for book 6.

Do you think Jo will torqued at Alfonso for letting that information out? She seems very controlling over what, when, and the manner in which information is leaked to us fans!

I think that Harry hasn't been told where his parents were buried because he hasn't asked. And anyway, we know how reluctant Dumbledore has been to tell Harry things when he asks, so it doesn't seem daft to think that he wouldn't tell Harry something he hasn't asked. And if DD thinks it will hurt Harry or cause him to hurt himself, he won't tell him, especially not at the moment.

If this is true, am I the only one that thinks it's a little creepy?

Firstly, I don't think we should mistake Alfonso's word with JKR's word. Conversations are easily confused or contorted, so I don't think we should use this interview as a completely reliable source for information about book six. If JKR acknowledges that there's a graveyard at Hogwarts then I'll start speculating about who is buried there, but for now everything just seems a bit uncertain.

As Puffskein said, "why hasn't Harry noticed it yet?????"

it took the trio three years to go int the north tower! It's a big castle and the graveyard may be hidden. Dumbledore said that even he dosent know all the castles secrets (I'm sure he knows about this) Besides If Jo had've mentioned it in an earlier book we'd be badgering her about whose in it and the directors would want to use it, Harry obviously isn't ready to deal with whatever's in it yet.

it took the trio three years to go int the north tower! It's a big castle and the graveyard may be hidden. Dumbledore said that even he dosent know all the castles secrets (I'm sure he knows about this) Besides If Jo had've mentioned it in an earlier book we'd be badgering her about whose in it and the directors would want to use it, Harry obviously isn't ready to deal with whatever's in it yet.
I agree, and also, if this cemetary does exist, perhaps access to it is restricted. I don't think it's odd that Harry wouldn't have yet stumbled across it.

A cemetary would have to be pretty well hidden because it does not seem to be on the Marauders map - or at least Harry hasn't spotted it yet if it is. I am rereading PoA at the moment in preparation for the film. Anyway in PoA Lupin says something along the lines of 'I doubt any students ever found out as much about the Hogwarts grounds and Hosgmeande as we did.' But there are cetainly places they didn't go - notably the Chamber of Secrets. Maybe Harry and co should update the map!

As for being creepy Nightingale, absolutely! But judging by the film reveiws I've seen the film is much darker than the other 2 so a graveyard would be perfect cinematic gothic tough.

A cemetary would have to be pretty well hidden because it does not seem to be on the Marauders map - or at least Harry hasn't spotted it yet if it is.

Or perhaps he has never been interested. What is he, a genealogist? :D

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I'm still wondering about the founders' last resting places, even if they have nothing whatsoever to do with what Alfonso Cuaron was talking about (if indeed he was being accurate to begin with). When they died, it would have made sense for them to be buried at or around their own castle. If they had been buried elsewhere, their locations would have been lost in time. It might be totally irrelevant but it intrigues me!

Harry's not a genealogist, but I still think he'd be intrigued if he spotted a cenetery on the Hogwarts grounds, even in passing - "Look, there's a cemetery!" It's not a usual thing to have round a school. And Jo's quote made it sound like it was quite near the castle itself. Maybe it's very small and overgrown...

So here's a thought...what if the graveyard doesn't exsit right now...what if it is something that is created in book 6 or 7. My reasoning is that:

(1) Hagrid would (as Marix pointed out) know about it and he certainly isn't good with secrets!

(2) JKR would have talked about it like it already existed because in her world, books 6 & 7 have already happened (ya know what I mean; she's telling the story after it happened, so it makes sense for her mind to be thinking in the past)

curious, very curious

I saw that mentioned today alright (I'm a little behind!) it could be there already and Harry just hasn't had reason to mention it~ I wonder is Myrtle Buried there... or indeed as someone said that it could be created in book 6 or 7 with possibly the onslaught of the wizarding war.....

this could be a hint to Harry's ancestory. It would make sense to me that if his parents could be buried there then maybe it is true that Harry is the heir to Gryffindor and all the founders minus slytherins relatives maybe buried there?

It's not onl Harrys past that could be revealed.
We could also learn more about Tom Riddles mother, who has't been mentioned yet

Or grandma and Granndpa potter (JK said we'd learn a little about them)

Or even Hermione. The last wizarding Granger could be buried there.

Perhaps this so called graveyard has a connection to the veil. Perhaps its where all the people who go through the veil go.

I think the chances of Harry knowing about the graveyard,but never visting are high. Who vists a graveyard for the fun of it? Plus,Harry's been trained not to ask questions,so even if he noticed the graveyard,he wouldn't ask aboout it. I think Harry might make a trip there now that Sirius is dead. It makes sense,even if Sirius isn't buried there. It would be an intresting discovery if his parents were buried there etc..

But if Harry doesn't know about it..I'd presume it would be because the castle is so huge,you might not notice everything. As someone said earlier it took them 3 years to go to the north tower! It seems logical that a graveyard could go unoticed.

Yes, and all the study and the adventures they have been involved in have kept harry and his friends very busy. i think that they have just never stumbled upon it.

A cemetary at Hogwarts? That would be so creepy learning that. But shouldn't Dumbledore tell the students this? It seems odd that he wouldn't. He should have told the students so that they would stay clear of the area... but many it was a good thing though when Fred and George were there.

Maybe Harry's parents will reborn.

We are talking about the third book, aren't we? I thought it was about the fourth one and I was going to say that it was maybe where Harry is transported with the portkey to where Voldemort and Pettigrew where. But I really don't know about one in the third book because I don't remember reading about it.

It's a totally different cemetary to the one in Little Hangleton, this one's at Hogwarts and hasn't been mentioned in the series yet.

I have an interesting theory. A while ago, soemone asked JKR in an interview if any of the Hogwarts teachers were married, and she said she couldn't say. Maybe a teacher's dead spouse is in the cemetery? It would probably change Harry's perception of the teacher that the dead person was married to. Imagine if it was someone married to Snape! That would generate so much pity from the Snape fans that it would smother the board. XD Really though, where the story's going it seems like we're going to learn a bit more about Snape's past (he seems pretty integral to the plot at this point, too-- he's done more important stuff concerning Harry than anyone else besides Dumbledore), and this would be perfect for yummy Snape-past-info. Mmmmm.

As for why Harry's never seen it before, I'd say that it has some powerful concealment charm on it, and you can't see it unless you're granted access there. That would make sense, wouldn't it?

Maybe in book 6 some students and professors will die and they will create a cemetery for them? She wouldn't want to show something in the 3rd movie that doesn't exist yet.

I never thought of a graveyard at Hogwarts...indeed it is an interesting idea. For some reason I wouldn't think Lily and James would be burried there...wouldn't they wish to be burried in their home town? As for the Forbidden Forest, it is most likely forbidden because of the beasts running around there remember Argog in the second book? As well as a very unpredictable place to be. Another thing, it is very possible that if there is a graveyard. Rowling may have not mentioned it yet, as with many other features of Hogwarts that she may be saving for later books. The grounds of Hogwarts may not be fully explored.

~Sirius Potter

Question: If there's a graveyard at Hogwarts, wouldn't Harry have seen it on the Marauder's Map? After all, it's supposed to show everything on Hogwarts' grounds. It doesn't show the Forbidden Forest though, right? So I think that if there is a cemetary at Hogwarts, though I'm shocked that the Weasley twins haven't found it yet, it would have to be in or beyond the Forbidden Forest. Another possibility: a crypt underneath the Forbidden Forest? (Sorry, but I lived in a college dorm with a crypt in it, and it creeped me out beyond belief, so now I always think of it!) If it was under Hogwarts though, it would've shown up on the map.

Just something to think about ! :)

Question: If there's a graveyard at Hogwarts, wouldn't Harry have seen it on the Marauder's Map? After all, it's supposed to show everything on Hogwarts' grounds. It doesn't show the Forbidden Forest though, right? So I think that if there is a cemetary at Hogwarts, though I'm shocked that the Weasley twins haven't found it yet, it would have to be in or beyond the Forbidden Forest. Another possibility: a crypt underneath the Forbidden Forest? (Sorry, but I lived in a college dorm with a crypt in it, and it creeped me out beyond belief, so now I always think of it!) If it was under Hogwarts though, it would've shown up on the map.

Just something to think about ! :)

Well, technically the Marauder's Map shows everything James, Sirius, Peter and Remus knew about. You can't very well map something you don't know exists. :)

Anyway, Harry hasn't noticed a lot of things on the Marauder's Map. Moody/Crouch is one of 'em.

I wonder if the Marauder's Map will show who's buried in the graveyard, if there is one. That would be eerie.

The map was made by James and co. who didn't know alll Hogwarts secrets. The chamber of secrets wasn't on there was it, because if Lupin had known where it was he'd have told DD in CoS wouldn't he?

I wonder if the ghosts that are haunting the castle buried there....

i dont recall reading about a graveyard? what book?

that question is answered several times throuhgout this thread and in the original post.
Sry if this seems rude

I'd guess that it might be somewhere those who die defending the school in the hypothesised Big Book 7 Fight will be buried. In that case it isn't there yet. If it's going to play a significant role, it definitely seems odd if it's been there throughout the series so far and never even mentioned in passing.

A Hogwarts Graveyard could be cool indeed.
It must be important if JK specifically didn't want it in PoA.
I would think that it must be hidden somewhere for some reason. I feel like Harry has traveled the Hogwarts grounds pretty thoroughly and has never stumbled upon it yet. Possibly it is in a clearing somewhere in the Forbidden Forest. That would be a really cool, eerie place to have a graveyard.
I bet influential Hogwarts Headmasters and teachers and people could be burried there. Possibly the founders? That could be cool.

We've got the portraits in Dumbledores office to tell us about past head teachers so although they are probably buried there I doubt that is its most signifficant feature.
I also don't think it's something that will be created fresh in a later book, I think its been there a while and for it to have been hidden from Harry for so long its contents/ occupants must effect him personally after all he has only just found out why his parents REALLY died.

A Hogwarts Graveyard could be cool indeed.
It must be important if JK specifically didn't want it in PoA.
I would think that it must be hidden somewhere for some reason. I feel like Harry has traveled the Hogwarts grounds pretty thoroughly and has never stumbled upon it yet. Possibly it is in a clearing somewhere in the Forbidden Forest. That would be a really cool, eerie place to have a graveyard.
I bet influential Hogwarts Headmasters and teachers and people could be burried there. Possibly the founders? That could be cool.
Do you think the "remnant finger" from Wormtail could be buried there? It was the only piece of him left and at the time he was given the Order of merlin First class etc, so it seems logical to bury him somewhere special.
AND... the hand that wormtail gave to Voldemort was MINUS this finger... do you think that will affect Voldemort's power.. does he need all of the hand to be powerful?

maybe they'll make a graveyard for book 6 because there will be so many deaths (i hope this isn't true!)

If the graveyard hasn't already been created (i.e. if it wasn't there when Harry first started at Hogwarts then I believe it will be created in the 7th book - if students and teachers are going to die, I feel it is likely that the graveyard in which they are buried is likely to be in the Hogwarts ground.

If it has been created then it must be a part of the Forbidden Forest, as it does not show up on the Map.

Here is a question that hasn't been asked on this thread yet :-

Where has Cedric Diggory been buried????

(I am currently re-reading the Harry Potter books and I haven't reached The Order of the Pheonix yet so i can't remember if it was mentioned there or not)

Where has Cedric Diggory been buried????

When Cedric came out of Voldemort's wand during the Priori Incantatem scene, he requested to be taken back to his parents. Harry transported Cedric's body back to Hogwarts where, presumably the Diggorys, after recovering from the shock of their son's death, took charge of his body and held a funeral for him somewhere near Ottery St Catchpole.

You might like to read: How are dead bodies disposed of? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=16494) :)

Thanks for that :tu:

Just re-reading The Chamber Of Secrets and I've noticed a little quote I have always disregarded as irrelevant until now.

When Harry, Ron and Lockhart are in the tunnel leading to the Chamber, therer is a little phrase :

"But the tunnel was quiet as the grave"

Could this be a clue to where the graveyard is??

I know it is quite unlikely and that this is a coincidence but it may be a clue as to the location of the graveyard - I think that, if this isn't just a coincidence, the graveyard is in the area above the Chamber or underneath Hogwarts.

Personally, I've been musing on a theory that where James and Lily are buried will turn out to be quite significant. Harry's known what happened to them for five years now, and not once has he asked *where* or even *if* they are buried, nor asked to see it. I don't think Dumbledore would let their bodies just stay there in Godric's Hollow, do you? And another thought to ponder..... Harry was given to the Dursleys and so couldn't have attended any funeral for them. Why would they ('They' being the Order, or James and Lily's friends) not bring little Harry along? Why would Lupin, Sirius and Dumbledore *not* mention or show him their graves? If my parents had been murdered I think I'd be mighty keen to see where they were buried. It's a very important stage for those in grief. Even the bum on the street gets some sort of burial or cremation, and they are very important places to the friends and family of the dead. And death does seem to be a very important theme of JK's, so it's conspicuous that the burial end of things has never been mentioned. It's something I've been wondering about for quite a long time now, so Jk mentioning that Alfonso couldn't use it has really got me curious.
By the by, it isn't that unusual for old boarding schools to have thier own graveyards for pupils or staff. In Jane Eyre several pupils end up buried in the yard because the nature of their diseases meant it had to be done quickly. And convent schools often have graveyards for the staff, who wouldn't have a family to bury them.

The graveyard in Goblet of Fire couldn't possibly be the same one supposedly in Hogwarts because Death Eaters were apparating into the graveyard that night.

Hagrid knows where everything is; he is the groundskeeper afterall (and the keeper of the keys, whatever that title is supposed to mean :p). Although, he wouldn't very much be raving of it day and night, he usually busies himself with living creatures. He'd probably only mention it if the trio asked.

Perhaps he (or Filch) is the person who tidies the graveyard and prevents it from being overgrown and such? But if it were Filch who tidied the graveyard, he'd of course have it well-hidden away from those pesky Hogwarts students.

But.. wouldn't the graveyard be well-hidden anyway to prevent students from disturbing the dead?

Also, could the graveyard be indoors, a crypt perhaps?

maybe all everyone that has died at hogwarts will be there... maybe james and lily will be there, or maybe sirius will be there...

I think that yall may be looking at it the wrong way. I think The importance of it will be WHO is buried there, You know the headmaster. Maybe this was a clue that DD will die and we will see him be buried.

I do not think the cemetary is in the Forbidden Forest or Chamber of Secrets. Someone else has already said why it could not be in the FF. I don't think it's in the CoS because (1) it just doesn't feel right, and (2) I think it's something new. We've already done the Slytherin heir thing. And while Jo does like to repeat things, I just don't feel like that is what this is about. Of course, my feelings isn't very good support for the rest of you. ^_^ Well, if it's by a wing, I don't think it's under a wing.

Perhaps Slytherin Heirs are buried beneath those snakes (even though I'm going from the movie, the book chamber could look the same) lining the walkway to the big Salazar head. It does make sense for them to be buried together, reminds me of past Kings being buried together (think the place in Minas Tirith in RotK where that dude wants to burn Faramir and himself). Though to bury them down there they'd have to access it but being that it was a commonly used girls' toilet before Myrtyle died, I don't see that. Unless they do it in the summer. But wouldn't people ask where someone was buried? They couldn't say being that only Slytherin's line knows of the chamber. Though Voldy's mom wasn't mentioned in the GoF graveyard. She could be down there or at some other family cemetary.

But back to this graveyard. Lily and James could be buried there, but why? I feel they are buried at Godric's Hollow or something. To be buried at the school, maybe you'd have to have some connection with it. Past headmasters, cofounders, and ghosts all sound good, but I'm not sure. We'll just have to wait. Anticipation from the last book mostly came from curiosity at who's the new DADA teacher and who's going to die, apart from wanting to see what Harry gets himself into this time. This book sounds more interesting and full of stuff we've been looking foward too. Well, I guess we can expect that, being there's only one more after this one.

Harry has a problem with not asking about stuff. That's fine for him but doesn't he know that leaves us in the dark? *shakes fist at Harry* All for the better I guess, leaves stuff for the other books. *shrugs*

Here are 3 possibilities for a graveyard already being present and no one knowing about it:

1) It's secreted away for some reason (by a Fidelius Charm, being made unplottable, etc) to keep students from knowing some awful truth.

2) It's common knowledge to anyone who has read "Hogwarts, A History". :D

3) It's not really either of these 2 but somewhere in the middle. It's not explicitly hidden, but no one really seems to know about it or cares. Which implies that it's just more of a set dressing than a major plot point.

I tend to think (if there IS a graveyard on the grounds) that it's been hidden by magical means to keep people away from it. Burial plots of the founders or ghosts are good theories, but really the only thing I can come up with for hiding these graves is to keep them unmolested (who wouldn't want a piece of Helga Hufflepuff's toenail???). Harry's parents being buried there is a good idea, but it seems almost too easy, too trite.

Looney Theory Alert: What if it's more like a repository or dumping ground for some of Hogwart's unmentionables? What if that's where bad little house elves go to die. Maybe Hagrid had a few other breeding experiments gone amok, and he had to get rid of the evidence quickly. How about mangled Animagus transfigurations? LOTS of putrid orange and livid green Potions industrial waste. Ladies and Gentlemen, I bring you the Hogwarts Landfill!

Seriously, I think there's some major mojo about to happen at Hogwarts and it ain't gonna be pretty. Maybe Voldie tries to overrun the grounds and uses some of his immortality mojo to summon an army of the living dead to help him?

bowlwoman

I do not think Harry's parents are there because if they were, why wouldn't someone have taken him there to see them? Unless of course there is something important about the graveyard and he can't go there. But I can't see how.

A graveyard in Hogwarts makes no more sense than a 3 headed dog in Hogwarts, so our trio is bound to find it.

If the castle itself is haunted with ghosts, wouldn't a haunted graveyard lose meaning?

I haven't read all the replys so forgive me if this is already stated but...
I believe that dumbledore, having taught harry all he can, will DIE in the sixth book. wouldn't that be cool. he would be like the ben kenobi of potter world lol. I would be oh so sad :sad: but i think maybe that's where headmasters might be buried so.....who knows. we will see. It might just be a red herring.

maybe someone very useful is buried there.... voldemort used bones for a spell, maybe a very powerful founding members bone could be used for a spell so the graveyard would be a secret. Hmm I dont really know why there would be a graveyard except for that.

Seriously, I think there's some major mojo about to happen at Hogwarts and it ain't gonna be pretty. Maybe Voldie tries to overrun the grounds and uses some of his immortality mojo to summon an army of the living dead to help him?


Speaking of which, I've been thinking of the death chamber in the department of mysteries. Maybe there are more of those veils around and they brought one down there to experiment on trying to bring people back from the dead. People have always been trying to do that and though it doesn't seem like something the MoM would do, well, they aren't exactly normal and it is in the Department of Mysteries afterall. I must go and see if there is a thread on this. I'm interested in this point.

I do not think Harry's parents are there because if they were, why wouldn't someone have taken him there to see them? Unless of course there is something important about the graveyard and he can't go there. But I can't see how.
Well, we know Harry's not the most observant chap on the block, and that the questions he doesn't ask usually turn out to be the important ones (Do I have a Godfather? Why did HWMNBN want to kill me (Yes, he asked it, but then forgot for 4 years)? What do they do in the DOM? Who are all these people in these pictures of my parents?). So the fact that it's never been mentioned doesn't nessecarily mean it's not important.
To support my theory that where Lilly and James are buried must be important (If not to the plot, then just to Harry or JK herself), there's an interview where JK talks about how the death and desecration of Hector's body in the Iliad upset her so much she made Harry take Cedric's body back to his mum and dad for a proper burial, so James and Lilly must've had the same thing. (Another note on burial: Barty Jr performed a last indignity upon his father by transfiguring his body and burying it like a piece of rubbish.) But why no Harry? I'm assuming here that there has to be a reason why noone's told him this yet (Just like the aformentioned questions).

maybe someone very useful is buried there.... voldemort used bones for a spell, maybe a very powerful founding members bone could be used for a spell so the graveyard would be a secret. Hmm I dont really know why there would be a graveyard except for that.
Hmmm... that is something to think about. Your parentage, even physically (The bones) has so far been very important.


A graveyard in Hogwarts makes no more sense than a 3 headed dog in Hogwarts, so our trio is bound to find it.
Hee. :) Well, the teachers have got to go somewhere. Unless Minerva has lots of great-nieces and nephews nice enough to bury her.

If the castle itself is haunted with ghosts, wouldn't a haunted graveyard lose meaning?
Well, many more people don't become ghosts than do, and the non-ghost dead are more important.



I tend to think (if there IS a graveyard on the grounds) that it's been hidden by magical means to keep people away from it. Burial plots of the founders or ghosts are good theories, but really the only thing I can come up with for hiding these graves is to keep them unmolested (who wouldn't want a piece of Helga Hufflepuff's toenail???). Harry's parents being buried there is a good idea, but it seems almost too easy, too trite.

Like I said, Harry hasn't noticed a whole bunch of stuff, and , besides, if they're gonna bury it somewhere it can't be that well hidden. They do have to get in there and dig it up. :p


Seriously, I think there's some major mojo about to happen at Hogwarts and it ain't gonna be pretty. Maybe Voldie tries to overrun the grounds and uses some of his immortality mojo to summon an army of the living dead to help him?

The dead can't be brought back, and I guess that would include Zombies. And most of them would probably be just skeleton now, so how useful an army they'd make...
'Nother thought: This is a book about Wizards, and all kinds of little Gothic details slip in about the castle, so isn't it a bit strange that there's no mention of gravestones or a graveyard yet....? Hrmmmm...

maybe someone very useful is buried there.... voldemort used bones for a spell, maybe a very powerful founding members bone could be used for a spell so the graveyard would be a secret. Hmm I dont really know why there would be a graveyard except for that.

AHH.. but the birth and death dates of the founding members are unknown so if thay had graves for them don't you think that their years of life would be written on them.

Well, first off, we dont know for POSITIVE if its even true that there is a graveyard.. it didn't come straight from JK's lips. However, I think it would make perfect sense to have a graveyard right on school grounds.

Hogwarts is a really old, kinda creepy building, with ghosts hanging out all over the place. Personally, I would think Ghosts would stick to places near gravesites or places of death.. it just makes sense that they would stay near where their bodies are buried or where they "passed on". Look at Moaning Myrtle.. she doesn't wander more than 5 feet from that stall.

If what was said is true, the graveyard could be stuck in any crevice around Hogwarts. We've only seen a couple sides of the building... its very possible that the graveyard is on the side of the school nearest to the forbidden forest, hidden from passing views by the many walls.. and since the forbidden forest is forbidden, kids might not go that way. It might very well been on the map, but just because JK hasn't mentioned it before, doesn't mean its there... she didn't tell us about Hogmeade trips until book 3, along with the whoomping willow, and made only one reference to other wizarding schools before book 4.

My theory is that Harry is going to be a lot more focused on his parents, their deaths, and Sirius' death (maybe death in general) in book 6. (JK even meakes mention to exactly what the first chapter of 6 is going to be about in her website...) When you're 11, you dont really think about where your parents are buried.. especially when you've been thinking your whole life that they died in a car crash (and therefore don't have graves, i'm guessing). Since Dumbledor has now realized that Harry is grown up and deserves answers, it would make sense for him to show Harry his parents graves if harry asks about it. Yes, I think James and Lily's bodies are at Hogwarts, if their bodies were salvaged from the rubble. I think Dumbledor had a pretty good relationship with the two, and considering how they fought against Voldemort, I think Dumbledor would have wanted to care extra special for their remains. It WOULD make sense that the founders.. well, not Slytherin (he left the school, remember?) would be buried near their "pride and joy", and I think bowlwoman was right in saying that anyone who read "Hogwarts, A History" would know there was a graveyard, aka hermione knows.

Now that I just wrote practically a book on my thoughts.. and I'm pretty sure I'm leaving something out, I think I'll be going to bed now.

Oh! And Sirius can't possibly be buried at this graveyard.. he passed body and all into the next realm.
Night everyone :-)
~Lisa

I have no guesses at who is burried there but back to the fact that no one has found it at hogwarts Couldnt it have been enchanted to look like its surroundings?

Call me crazy, but I get the feeling Harry's parents are NOT buried there. If that were the case, somebody probably would have shown him by then.

I get the feeling there's something more important there. Ya know how some people think Voldemort will be defeated by being sent back to the time of the founders? (And hence, become Slytherin's Ancestor.) What if Harry was just walking around campus one day and randomly ran into the grave of "Tom Riddle"? Don't you think that would turn the story upside down?

You know how students in the past were tortured? Maybe those that died of that torture are buried there!

No, but seriously, maybe its like a secret portkey to somewhere important and thats why no one knows about it or has heard of it. Or maybe all magic done in a graveyard is dark magic so naturally you wouldn't want school kids there. Of course that doesn't explain why there is a graveyard in a school in the first place. Slytherin's idea maybe?

There are certain places that did not appear on the Maurader's Map...The Room of Requirment for one and The Chamber of Secrets for another

Remember it was written by four students....by hogwarts standards, not that many years ago. Yes...James, Sirius, Lupin and Peter learned quite a bit about the castle I'm willing to bet that they did not get every detail...

Its plausible that there is a secret cemetary located somewhere on the grounds of the school....why its a secret and who it contains...well, I'd love to speculate!

how do we know that it's hidden?

Link to the Cuaron interview on CBBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/tv_film/newsid_3758000/3758101.stm
And here is the quote:
I give you an example: There's a scene where Malfoy wants to see Buckbeak being executed. It's where Hermione punches him. And there's a sundial. We thought we need something there. I said 'Let's put a graveyard there'.
She says: 'No, you can't have a graveyard there'. And I'm like, 'Why?' She says: 'Oh because the graveyard is near this other wing of the castle and it's going to play an important part in number six because such and such and such.'
I bet JKR LOVED that little slipup!!! LOL

Veq.

Here's what I think. Perhaps Dumbledore bites the big one in book 6/7 and has to be buried. Where better to bury him than the cemetary at Hogwarts?
A reason noone knows about it might be because there is a charm on it like there was a charm on the Quidditch field in GoF that makes people remember something more important so they never actually get close enough to check anything out.
As far as Hagrid goes, they could have simply put a memory charm on him to make it so that he couldn't tell. Maybe Snape mixed a potion to block that memory from him. Who knows? Only Jo does at the moment, we'll find out soon enough I'm sure.

Not soon enough!!!!!

If it isn't hidden then why wouldn't it have been mentioned yet. Like in passing, Jo is good at that type of stuff and I do not remember a graveyard being mentioned. Anyone find a graveyard reference?

Absolutely right 'The IIcon'. Although I am still inclined to think that Lily and James are buried at Hogwarts but I think that if they are then it is very sad that Harry has never been given the opportunity to visit their graves. He will be terribly upset to learn that he has been within walking distance of his parents' graves and going through all that horrible stuff when he oculd have at least gone to visit them.

Of course the reason for the Graveyard appearing could be the setting for some kind of memorial for Sirius....

Veq.

I like to think that that christmas dinner with 13 people will come true (and in that case dumbledore can't die before ron or harry). maybe hagrid will kick the bucket? lol, how many more phrases for dying can we think of...

I think you've got it wrong, JK said ''you cant put a graveyard there(assuming he had it in Hogwarts),because its somewhere else,somewhere else doesnt have to mean somewhere else at Hogwarts.Im almost certain she meant somewhere else as in somewhere other than Hogwarts.I'm thinking that maybe Alfonso had a graveyard with headstones of Lily and James or some names and it doenst have to be at Hogwarts either it might have been Hogsmeade.So JK thought well theyre not buried there, thats wrong, theyre buried somewhere else, Godrics Hollow or somewhere near there, somewhere where Lily and James lived /grew up.Also I think that it will be in book 6 because Sirius if having a funeral would be buried with his friends(but I think its unlikly therell be a burial as there is no body and the whole veil thing is under observation at the department-so theyre not sure what happens really behind the veil,maybe its not death but limbo (stuck between life and death,not quite gone).So maybe someone else dies early in book 6 or even in the middle and theres a funeral ,though this brings up a whole thing of who would die who would be buried in the same graveyard, LUPIN? i hope not!!Mad-Eye ,I dunno-maybe its just a cemetery where all the Good wizards would be buried or aurors or OOTP people or something I dunno.All I'm saying is I'm pretty sure its not in Hogwarts.

HP_Wizkid: Here is the Direct quote from the CBBC Newsround interview with Alfonso Cuaron:

I give you an example: There's a scene where Malfoy wants to see Buckbeak being executed. It's where Hermione punches him. And there's a sundial. We thought we need something there. I said 'Let's put a graveyard there'.
She says: 'No, you can't have a graveyard there'. And I'm like, 'Why?' She says: 'Oh because the graveyard is near this other wing of the castle and it's going to play an important part in number six because such and such and such.' And the Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/t...000/3758101.stm

Sirius if having a funeral would be buried with his friends(but I think its unlikly therell be a burial as there is no body
Note the use of the word Memorial in some of the posts. There are plenty of memorials for WWI/WWII soldiers whose bodies either never returned from Europe (I tell you, going to Ypres is harrowing) or whose bodies were never found. (God rest their souls.)

Veq.

Another graveyard may have implications for Harry and Voldemort's wands. Correct me if I am wrong, but Voldemorts is made of Yew - a tree that is know as the tree of life and death, and Harry's Holly - also know as the tree of life.

Perhaps Myrtle is buried there - Myrtle Potter? Inofrmation of that kind would be interesting. Or Harry could discover the true age of wizards - their long life span?

hm...we never do learn Myrtle's last name. I doubt it's Potter, but maybe someone else we know?

I don't think Moaning Myrtle is a Potter. That is Waaaaaaaaaaaaay too overkill and not really subtle enough to be something I would think of JKR putting in her books. Of course I may stand corrected but I doubt it. Anyway, wouldn't Moaning Myrtle have recognised Harry's name and spoken up if they were related (albeit distantly)????

I think it would be a terrible emotional blow to Harry if he discovers that a Graveyard at Hogwarts contains the graves of his parents (although the more I thnk about it, the more likely it sounds given the apparent loneliness of Lily and James in terms of Family) and I think that it might be something JKR would do, she is prone to being horrible to Harry after all! LOL

Veq.

Here's what I think. Perhaps Dumbledore bites the big one in book 6/7 and has to be buried. Where better to bury him than the cemetary at Hogwarts?


Interesting! Sadly, I don't think that Dumbledore will survive the end of the series, and if he does die, I think he'll definitely be buried in the Hogwarts Cemetary. Maybe this is how we finally see the cemetary.


A reason noone knows about it might be because there is a charm on it like there was a charm on the Quidditch field in GoF that makes people remember something more important so they never actually get close enough to check anything out.
As far as Hagrid goes, they could have simply put a memory charm on him to make it so that he couldn't tell. Maybe Snape mixed a potion to block that memory from him. Who knows? Only Jo does at the moment, we'll find out soon enough I'm sure.

Perhaps, but if they were able to charm Hagrid so that he couldn't tell certain things, wouldn't they have done that in PS/SS so that he couldn't tell anyone how to get past Fluffy?
To be fair, we don't know that this cemetary (which I believe is on the south side of the castle, right?) isn't on the Marauders Map. After all, it hasn't been significant in 1-5, so perhaps it just wasn't mentioned yet? Maybe it's like the cemetary at my school: people know about it, but why on earth would anyone go into it?!

I've been wondering since the first book why Harry hasn't asked where his mum and dad are buried (maybe he thinks there are only bits like Pettigrew-yuck!) He HAS to find them and if they've been hidden for so long there must be a BIG reason why!
The only reason I can think that they'd be buried at the school is if they had a deep connection with it, maybe something to do with the jobs that we're meant to be finding out about in six.

I dont think james or lily would be buried there harry would have been told, but i do think the founders bones my be there even if there is no grave stone- the founders dtaes of life are unknown.

Technically Lily and James weren't really buried, were they? Their house was in smithereens, so I doubt anyone came and picked up the pieces and buried them. I can't think of a reason why they would be buried at Hogwarts in the first place.

The only reason I can think that they'd be buried at the school is if they had a deep connection with it, maybe something to do with the jobs that we're meant to be finding out about in six.
That could be...but unless they donated a lot of money to Hogwarts, or were teachers, there's not really any reason they should have headstones there.

Personally, the fact that there will even be a cemetary at Hogwarts is weird to me. Being buried at a school? Unless it was the largest part of your life, and you had absolutely no family, why would you want to be buried there?

I've actually discussed this with other people, and I've said before that it seems like somthing the Wizarding world would consider a weird Muggle tradition.

That could be...but unless they donated a lot of money to Hogwarts, or were teachers, there's not really any reason they should have headstones there.
Well we know they were prominent and active members of the Order of the Phoenix and had defied Lord V 3 times. We also assume from circumstantial evidence, that Lily and James were more or less alone (with the implication that Lilys' parents were dead and that Petunia was the only one alive, and similarly the Sr Potters were no longer around) and so when they died, they would had to have been buried somewhere (unless they were cremated which doesn't bear thinking about) by someone and if Petunia wasn't interested, someone must have cared enough to sort out a funeral of sorts and I would assume that it would be the OotP and they would hardly have buried Harrys parents in the middle of nowhere, it is more likely that they would have been buried somewhere where people could visit them. Surely???
Thus, I reckon that it is not outside the realms of possibility that Lily and James were buried at Hogwarts. I am interested to know what they did for a living though....

Veq.

I've actually discussed this with other people, and I've said before that it seems like somthing the Wizarding world would consider a weird Muggle tradition.
Well JK has said some things in interviews that would lead me to believe that she regards a proper burial as important:

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/quickquotes/articles/2000/0800-ew-jensen.html
And if you don't show how scary that is, you cannot show how incredibly brave Harry is. He's really brave, and he does, I think, one of his bravest things in this book: He can't save Cedric, but he wants to save Cedric's parents additional pain. He wants to bring back the body and treat it with respect.

Interviewer:Saving Cedric's body reminded me of the Hector-Patroclus-Achilles triangle in the Iliad.

JK: That's where it came from. That really, really, really moved me when I read that when I was 19. The idea of the desecration of a body, a very ancient idea...I was thinking of that when Harry saved Cedric's body.

Why would Harry risk his life to safe Cedric's dead body is Wizards just left the dead where they fell?

Whoa! An above post about why would James and Lily be buried at Hogwarts unless they were teachers, contributers, etc, just gave me a great idea! How do we know that James or Lily or both weren't teachers at Hogwarts? Didn't Sirius (or Lupin) say something about James HATING the dark arts? Wouldn't it be interesting if he was the last Dark Arts teacher that lasted for any amount of time? After all, the post is supposed to be cursed, we'll be finding out about their jobs in future books, and JKR did say she would reveal something about whether or not teachers had spouses....hmmm

It's possible that there is a cemetery at Hogwarts. Though I think it might be more along the lines of something where honored teachers and the like were buried, not "regular folk" if you were. It seems to be a logical assumption, something you'd see at some major universities today. Now that's not to say JKR doesn't have completely different in mind...

Wendelinthweird, i really like your idea. I always wondered how Dumbledore was so close to James and Lily - i mean, i know he was their headteacher and they were head girl and boy but he's not best friends with Percy - so that would make some sense if one of them taught there and thats how he got to know them so well. Actually hang on I just remembered about The Order of the Phoenix, he probably got to know them there - maybe this isn't such a good idea. I can imagine James doing something a little more adventurous...

Pepper Imp, that is an interesting idea! I have always looked at the HP series as one big murder mystery. By now we know who, what (sort of), where and when, but we do not know why. Weren't James and Lily in hiding at Godric Hollow? So where would they have been normally? As a DADA Professor, I imagine James may have been involved with some very interesting anad dangerous adventures. I am quite certain Snape (excuse me I mean Professor Snape) :p is doing some seriously perilous stuff.
We do know that Lily was very adept at charms. How long has Professor Flitwick been at Hogwarts?

I so love idle speculation! Can't wait for the next book. I am sure it will be as unexpected at OotP was!

Hmmm...Lily and/or James as Professors at Hogwarts...I think it's possible. How many teachers do we know of now that are in the Order? Snape, McGonagall, Hagrid, DD. Trelawney is being protected by Hogwarts (and by the Order as well), and I've never gotten a clear idea of Sprout or Flitwick. Wouldn't it be our luck that cute, small little Flitwick will be the most evil of them all? :D

Back to the topic...We know that Snape started teaching not long after VM fell, so there's a precedent for a young, young teacher. I don't know if James/Lily would have received a position so soon after graduating, tho. I tend to think they were more involved with the Dept. of Mysteries, maybe as Unspeakables. (I wonder if JKR ever thought of using the word "unmentionables"...LOL)

bowlwoman

Hm, they were really young when they died, but I suppose they could have been teachers first. We are never told what the Potters did for a living. And come to think of it why hasn't Harry asked? Especially since poa when Marge asks and Vernon says Harry's dad was unemployed.

and if Petunia wasn't interested, someone must have cared enough to sort out a funeral of sorts and I would assume that it would be the OotP and they would hardly have buried Harrys parents in the middle of nowhere, it is more likely that they would have been buried somewhere where people could visit them. Surely???
I would assume that the OotP took care of Lily and James' burial as well, but if they had buried them somewhere where people could visit them, then wouldn't it be somewhere where...people could visit them? I don't think many outsiders visit Hogwarts, and I'm sure there's a cemetary outside Hogwarts where the rest of the dead wizard population is buried.

Also, if Lily and James were teachers at Hogwarts, wouldn't any of the other teachers have said something to Harry before now? If it is the case that Lily and James are buried at Hogwarts, or if we're just speculating about why Dumbledore and the Potters were so close, I think it was just that they were two gifted students, Head Boy and Girl, and probably instrumental in starting the OotP in the first place.

LOL. Just a crazy thought...in the final books we learn that The Order is actually just an unofficial name for the Hogwarts Teacher's Union. :P

Technically Lily and James weren't really buried, were they? Their house was in smithereens, so I doubt anyone came and picked up the pieces and buried them. I can't think of a reason why they would be buried at Hogwarts in the first place.

That could be...but unless they donated a lot of money to Hogwarts, or were teachers, there's not really any reason they should have headstones there.


I don't see why they would not have been buried. We know they were killed but there should have been some remains. But beyond that it is still the custom to give a person a headstone/memorial even though you may not have a actual body (or just tinny pieces of it).

I always found it strange that Harry has never once asked to see the graves of his parents...

If there is a cemetery at Hogwarts and assuming that it is a important plot point I think its probable that the Potters are buried there.

Hogwarts is more then just a school it is in many ways the center of the Wizards whole civilization.

In COS film - I know not necessarily correct - in a photo Harry has of his parents it looks like they are stood in front of Hogwarts and wearing robes?

In COS film - I know not necessarily correct - in a photo Harry has of his parents it looks like they are stood in front of Hogwarts and wearing robes?


Hard to say. Seems as though most wizards wear robes of sometype. Does anyone know how old the Potters were before their deaths?

Hard to say. Seems as though most wizards wear robes of sometype. Does anyone know how old the Potters were before their deaths?

Well, I think you can get a general idea/guess. They had been married, probably happened after schooling. However, they were still quite close with a lot of their school friends. Given (from a movie perspective) what we've seen, I'd say somewhere between 27ish - 35ish. Really, I'd have to say no where older than 30 given Sirus' & Lupin's age in POA...which is 12 years after they were killed.

Well, didn't JK say that Harry's stay at the Dursleys will he his shortest yet? And that his stay in OoTP was like 3 weeks or so.

Maybe he leaves very early to go to Sirius' funeral (as Pepper Imp suggested). And maybe that funeral takes place at Hogwarts, because he was still a wanted criminal and Dumbledore may not want the Ministry knowing he had connections with him, so he went and organized a private funeral on the Hogwarts grounds, and invites the Order and Harry and certain other people.

I do wonder what a Wizarding funeral ceremony is like, could be very interesting, maybe certain charms or something to ensure a peaceful everafter? Maybe?

HP_Wizkid: Here is the Direct quote from the CBBC Newsround interview with Alfonso Cuaron:

And the Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/t...000/3758101.stm


Note the use of the word Memorial in some of the posts. There are plenty of memorials for WWI/WWII soldiers whose bodies either never returned from Europe (I tell you, going to Ypres is harrowing) or whose bodies were never found. (God rest their souls.)
Veq.

Yes, but not in graveyards. More likely in churches.
They don't need a graveyard to bury Sirius.

Well, I think you can get a general idea/guess. They had been married, probably happened after schooling. However, they were still quite close with a lot of their school friends. Given (from a movie perspective) what we've seen, I'd say somewhere between 27ish - 35ish. Really, I'd have to say no where older than 30 given Sirus' & Lupin's age in POA...which is 12 years after they were killed.
At around GoF time, JKR said that Snape was about 36. Take away 12 years, and Lily and James must've been somewhere around 24 when they were killed. Though their movie counterparts look just a teenie-weenie bit older.;)

And maybe that funeral takes place at Hogwarts, because he was still a wanted criminal and Dumbledore may not want the Ministry knowing he had connections with him, so he went and organized a private funeral on the Hogwarts grounds, and invites the Order and Harry and certain other people.
That's a good idea...hopefully something will happen. Or maybe it'll be in Godric's Hollow? Someone probably already suggested that. Random thought.

especially when you've been thinking your whole life that they died in a car crash (and therefore don't have graves, i'm guessing).
:) Do car crash victims generally not have graves?

A graveyard is generally above-ground, isn't it? Whereas a crypt is underground? Either way, I don't think it's going to be in the Chamber of Secrets (forget who all speculated about that. It was a few pages back). Even if it's only meant to hold the Slytherin heirs, it would be a logistical nightmare to get them entombed there. Not least because you have to be a parselmouth to get the door open.

If we do end up being introduced to a graveyard, I think it might be kind of a Come For The Funeral, Stay For The Grave-Robbing thing where Harry attends a service for Sirius/Dumbledore/Someone Else and discovers someone Very Interesting burried there.

If Lilly and James are burried there, I don't know either why they would be or why nobody would have told Harry before now unless it turns out that they're related to Godric Gryffindor or something of the like. If they're not burried there, maybe visiting the Hogwarts graveyard will prompt Harry to finally ask where they are burried.

As far a who would be burried there... well, we know from OotP that some of the teachers live at Hogwarts and don't have anywhere to go. Okay, we know that one of them does that, but there might have been others (Professor Binns, maybe?). It might be where they plant old Headmasters, as has been suggested. It might be for the descendants of the founding fathers (which would be strange, but neat if someone interesting turned out to be related to them).

As far as nobody knowing about it... maybe there's a wall around it or something and it's just common knowledge that you can't get inside (if they wanted to protect the dead from vandals, I don't think they would have trouble magically keeping people out).

Hmmm... so many possibilities.

They don't need a graveyard to bury Sirius.

I was thinking they might want to sort of symbolically bury something of his somewhere. Or give him a gravestone or something anyway. Not just for the purpose of having a ceremony, but so that people had somewhere specific to come back to if they wanted to mourn or anything later. I don't know. I think people do that sometimes.

he wasn't asked to not include the cemetry he was going to put something else there adn JKR said that he couldn't do it because he was going to need the space for the 6th movie due to a cemetery being there

Well we didn't exactly know about Professor Trelawney's tower until it had a specific purpose, for Harry and Ron and Hermione to go to class. It may just be that it hasn't been mentioned before because it held no specific significance in the previous books, but now that harry has come so close to death, he may now be more interested in things related to death, thus the graveyard will be something he discovers.

It may be something else that dumbledore has yet to reveal to harry.

And it may just be a cememtery. Not the one where the potter's are buried.

But it does seem obvious that harry would ask to see his parent's gravesite. Maybe the reason everyone shows harry pictures of his parents is because there is either nothing left of his parents to bury, or the pictures are a diversion by the order to keep him from thinking about the grave site itself.

I personally believe there is nothing left of the potters, but all that is yet to be seen in the next 2 books.

i love the recent ideas of the cemetery that fantastically interesting!! i lvoe them sirius being buried next to james or something would be incredible too rather uspestting to harry but good to!!! i love the ideas keep them coming lol i couldn't be this imaginative

I like the idea of it being for the founders. That would be a very symbolic place in the school. Somehow, just having students buried there wouldn't seem to hold the same sort of feeling as having the four founders of the school buried upon the foundation they created, for the future witches and wizards to remember them. I don't know... maybe there would also be people who died at Hogwarts, but having the four founders opens up the possibility of Harry discovering ancestry (seeing as I'm a huge supporter of Harry being Godric's last heir).

I like the idea of it being for the founders. That would be a very symbolic place in the school. Somehow, just having students buried there wouldn't seem to hold the same sort of feeling as having the four founders of the school buried upon the foundation they created, for the future witches and wizards to remember them. I don't know... maybe there would also be people who died at Hogwarts, but having the four founders opens up the possibility of Harry discovering ancestry (seeing as I'm a huge supporter of Harry being Godric's last heir).


Ancestry is a important topic I think. For a society (Wizards) that place such a large amount of importance on family and bloodlines you would think they would have some of the other trappings of old blood. Namely a family cemetery.

As we learned in the last book most of the older (if not all) the pure blood families are related to each other. Wasn't the Potters PureBlood? Doesn't that mean that Harry would himself be related to people like the Blacks and the Malfroys?

I personally believe there is nothing left of the potters, but all that is yet to be seen in the next 2 books.

I disagree with you there, Lily was certainly killed by Avada Kedavra and we have been led to believe James was too. Cedric and the spider in the DADA class were both killed by AK and were unmarked and unblemished - just dead. The backlash of the house collapsing might have damaged them but that would not have vapourised their bodies.

he wasn't asked to not include the cemetry he was going to put something else there adn JKR said that he couldn't do it because he was going to need the space for the 6th movie due to a cemetery being there
That was what I was referring to when I was talking about Memorials.

With regards to the COS film, I didn't notice a photo of Lily and James, methinks another viewing is in order but now I've seen the genius of PoA I'm not sureI want to go back... LOL

Somewhere up there, someone (I'm sorry, I can't remember who) said that Sirius would have a memorial service at Hogwarts because of people not wanting MoM attention - but I would have thought that he would be posthumously pardoned after OotP given the revelations about Voldemorts' return and the discovery that everything Harry and Dumbledore had been saying was true (including the Peter Pettigrew thing surely). But I guess we'll have to wait and see.

The main reason I thought that Lily and James would be buried at Hogwarts was because of their OotP connections, in the Photograph of the order it seems a fairly select group of people which might, given that Hogwarts is more or less a beacon of Anti-Voldemortness, lead to them being buried at the school.

Veq.

Kinda sick and morbid thought: do you think maybe something important was buried with Lily and James to keep safe? Something that Voldemort would need or use that the order has in their possession? Maybe they were holding onto something that needed safe guarding aside from Harry.

Now let me toss in here a question...which kind of deals with the deaths of Harry's parents. If they died at around 24, or even going off of how the actors in the movie appear near 27 - 35, where in the world did all of the money come from we saw in the first book/movie? I myself haven't read the novel, so it's possible I'm missing something there...but could someone explain this to thy under-read younger person here? :)

This is actually a good question and one that is not answered in the books. I always wonder where they did get that fortune in a short amount of years. Of course, we know nothing of their family heritage, nothing of what they did for a living, etc. so who knows where it came from.

However, you do learn lots of things in the books that you don't get in the movies so I recommend you read them.

The main reason I thought that Lily and James would be buried at Hogwarts was because of their OotP connections, in the Photograph of the order it seems a fairly select group of people which might, given that Hogwarts is more or less a beacon of Anti-Voldemortness, lead to them being buried at the school.
I understand what you're saying, and for all I know, you could be perfectly right. It's just that I find that too personal a reason to be buried at the school. If you think about it, the school has been standing for something like a thousand years. For one headmaster to build a cemetary for a group conquering one dark wizard, it seems to be something that wouldn't have much meaning to that place of burial. That's why I'm going with the founders... something that anyone at the school would be able to appreciate and respect.

Now let me toss in here a question...which kind of deals with the deaths of Harry's parents. If they died at around 24, or even going off of how the actors in the movie appear near 27 - 35, where in the world did all of the money come from we saw in the first book/movie? I myself haven't read the novel, so it's possible I'm missing something there...but could someone explain this to thy under-read younger person here? :)
They inherited it, I believe.

Regarding Lily and James' 'fortune':
It may seem like a lot but what if they had had to sell their house prior to going into hiding in a rented/borrowed cottage in Godrics Hollow - that would leave them with a large pile of money accruing 11 years worth of compound interest (assuming Gringotts gives interest that it is). It might also be that James Potter comes from a long line of Wizards like the Weasleys or Malfoys (two opposite ends of the pureblood/Wizarding Aristocratic scale) with a reasonable amount of money in the family that would have been passed on and accrued by the subsequent generations.

Regarding the Cemetary:
It is entirely possible that the founders are buried at Hogwarts and indeed highly likely and I would assume that perhaps past Headmasters or Headmistresses of particular renown. What I have said above still stands but I can see your point about an institution as ancient as Hogwarts being an unlikely place for the burial of contemporary witches and Wizards not connected with it. Having said that though, I was re-reading Philosophers Stone for the ninety-millionth time and in the part where Hagrid turns up on the Hut on the Rock to fetch Harry he tells Harry that his Parents are famous, as opposed to specifying only Harry. Then couple this with the very first chapter in which we see Vernon hearing wizards everywhere whispering about the Potters "Yes...the Potters'...thats what I heard" and so on and so forth, would seem to indicate that Lily and James Potter were well renowned in the Wizarding community in general which got me wondering; WHY? What makes the Potters so famous that Hagrid specified it particularly? Simply having a famous son doesn't necessarily make a couple famous but it seemed that the Wizarding community was familar enough with Lily and James to call them by name. It wouldn't surprise me if James wasn't a professional Quidditch player or something and so we can compare Lily and James Potter to David and Victoria Beckham (unrealistic I know, but it was the best Analogy I could think of) and the fact that Harry vanquished the Dark Lord once made him famous too.

Do you see what I mean?

Veq.

From what I've read online James Potter inherited the money.



James Potter inherited lots of money, so he didn't need a well-paying profession.
James Potter inherited the invisibility cloak from his father.
link (http://www.mugglenet.com/books/booksix/facts.shtml)

Having said that though, I was re-reading Philosophers Stone for the ninety-millionth time and in the part where Hagrid turns up on the Hut on the Rock to fetch Harry he tells Harry that his Parents are famous, as opposed to specifying only Harry. Then couple this with the very first chapter in which we see Vernon hearing wizards everywhere whispering about the Potters "Yes...the Potters'...thats what I heard" and so on and so forth, would seem to indicate that Lily and James Potter were well renowned in the Wizarding community in general which got me wondering; WHY? What makes the Potters so famous that Hagrid specified it particularly? Simply having a famous son doesn't necessarily make a couple famous but it seemed that the Wizarding community was familar enough with Lily and James to call them by name. It wouldn't surprise me if James wasn't a professional Quidditch player or something and so we can compare Lily and James Potter to David and Victoria Beckham (unrealistic I know, but it was the best Analogy I could think of) and the fact that Harry vanquished the Dark Lord once made him famous too.
You know, I never really paid much attention to how well-known his parents were before, and now that I think about it, it may become very important. Anyway, we know they were both extremely smart, so maybe they accomplished something phenominal in the wizarding world... of course, I have no idea what that may be yet... Good catch! :tu:

...I was re-reading Philosophers Stone for the ninety-millionth time and in the part where Hagrid turns up on the Hut on the Rock to fetch Harry he tells Harry that his Parents are famous, as opposed to specifying only Harry. Then couple this with the very first chapter in which we see Vernon hearing wizards everywhere whispering about the Potters "Yes...the Potters'...thats what I heard" and so on and so forth, would seem to indicate that Lily and James Potter were well renowned in the Wizarding community in general which got me wondering; WHY? What makes the Potters so famous that Hagrid specified it particularly? Simply having a famous son doesn't necessarily make a couple famous but it seemed that the Wizarding community was familar enough with Lily and James to call them by name. It wouldn't surprise me if James wasn't a professional Quidditch player or something and so we can compare Lily and James Potter to David and Victoria Beckham (unrealistic I know, but it was the best Analogy I could think of) and the fact that Harry vanquished the Dark Lord once made him famous too.

For me that was somewhat explained in OotP when the prophesy is given that a child will be born to someone who has defeated the DL three times (I know defeated wasn't the word used...but I don't have my book in front of me). So that would make someone famous...we just don't know what the circumstances are of the encounters.

I don't think the prophecy would be well known, it was more of a hidden thing. Afterall Voldemort hadn't heard the whole thing so why would they tell people about this. They must be well known for another reason.

No, what I mean is that the Potters are well known for defeating (again, wrong word, but stay with me) DL three times...I was just saying *we* didn't know that they had done that until *we* had heard the prophecy...but the wizarding community would have known that the Potter's were powerful (or at least skillful)

the word you are looking for is defying

But the Longbottoms are known for the same thing and I didn't get the impression that they were as well known as the Potters.

But the Longbottoms are known for the same thing and I didn't get the impression that they were as well known as the Potters.
Exactly, which is kind of what got me wondering in the first place.

James Potter inherited the invisibility cloak from his Father
And what evidence is there of that??? All we know is that they are very rare and very expensive. If James was rich (for whatever reason) then surely he would have been able to afford one and knowing how much he enjoyed sneaking around, he would probably have bought one simply for the sake of having one. Secondly, what if he was an Auror? Moody had two invisibility cloaks - we learnt that in OotP when that guy was supposed to be guarding the DoM. What if certain members of the OotP that did certain dangerous jobs for the order all had one??? Which would sort of explain why, as far as we are aware, the Weasleys don't have one because Arthur works for the Ministry and Molly is a full time mother (again, as far as we are aware).

Veq.

the word you are looking for is defying

But the Longbottoms are known for the same thing and I didn't get the impression that they were as well known as the Potters.


True but the Longbottoms didn't win. The Potters have this heroic story of going down fighting and then somehow mysteriously defeating the Dark Lord.
The Longbottoms have a far sadder ending. I think that the Longbottom story just got lost in the mix at the time. Remember its been 10-15 years (depending on the book) so people have a tendency to remember glorious endings....

Hm, this is true, but what happened to the Longbottoms happened much later on than what happened to the Potters. The Longbottoms were tortured well after Voldemorts fall. Wouldn't people remember this easier then?

the word you are looking for is defying

But the Longbottoms are known for the same thing and I didn't get the impression that they were as well known as the Potters.


Thanks for the word!

I disagree about the Longbottoms not being well known...unfortuntely, I can't point to anything in particular. I can think of something that would support your opinion -- that Ron didn't know Neville's parents were tortured...but then Ms. Wesley is always protecting the children...and, heck, Ron was just a wee-babe at that time. Anyway, my point is I think prior to Halloween night, the Longbottoms and the Potters were both well known for their work against the DL, but now, we hear mostly about the Potters because, well, of Harry :) OK, I know this is somewhat off topic...so I'll hush up now.

I'm not sure if someone has come up with this before but I'm re-reading the GOF at the moment and it struck me...what if the graveyard was where Harry was brought to, like if it was at the otherside of the forbidden forest or something where no student (Harry, Ron or Hermionie) has been anyway as its well forbidden?

Isn't it a possibility no matter how slight

My theory is:

The graveyard is the place where Moaning Myrtle is buried, and therefore the connection with the Chamber of Secrets... maybe I'm adventuring too much, but maybe she had something with her when she died, that is still on her grave, and they might use it to find the real secret of the Chamber...

In an interview on BBC's newsround (TV) today Alfonso revealed that JK asked him not to include a graveyard at Hogwarts as it was to be in book six. What do you think will happen there.
Could it be where James and Lily are buried?

:huh: I think Cuaron didn't get it ! the Graveyard is not in Hogwarts, Harry took a portkey to go there... And we do not know where it was, but Voldemort wouldn't have chosen Hogwarts for his come back...

correction : we know where it was since Voldy's father was burried there !

:huh: I think Cuaron didn't get it ! the Graveyard is not in Hogwarts, Harry took a portkey to go there... And we do not know where it was, but Voldemort wouldn't have chosen Hogwarts for his come back...
But that's a different graveyard, a muggle graveyard in Little Hangelton (wherever that is). From what I understood, there will be a graveyard at Hogwarts (not the one where Voldemort was reborn) that will be important in book 6.

I think the graveyard is old, and hasn't been used for a long long time. Like the founders - with the possible exception of Slytherin - are buried there. Because if it's one where people have been buried this past century, we should have heard about it by now, because someone we know of should be buried there (like Cedric).

And if it's really old and half-forgotten, it would make sense to have a private funeral for Sirius there - they wouldn't have to worry that anyone would come and disrupt it, like would happen if it was a big popular known graveyard.

[QUOTE=Northcott]A school with a graveyard seems an odd thing... but it's an odd place. :) I can see it being the final resting place of Lily and James, but I'm surprised he was asked not to include it. That kind of intro seems perfect. Unless, perhaps, the graveyard has some kind of charm to keep it hidden?



if Lilly and james were burried here, don't you think Dumbledore would have told harry ? especially after the ERISED thing, so he can cope with it.

And I don't see why JK would have told Cuaron "ok, you don't know it yet but ( i'm writing it at the moment) there is a graveyard at Hogwarts, and that's very important not to mention it, right ? You think you could do that for me ? but off course if you want to tell the whole world in a interview..."

a few pages back was a theory about james being the dada teacher and lily teaching charms

i was wondering
what if james started the curse of the one-year-teacher

and as for the cemetary
it would be nice if book six started with that

Ok, I just looked up the link between Celts and burial, and looking at this page, http://www.villagenet.co.uk/dr-syn/villages/ivychurch.php , it's interesting to note that "A Ciric is a circular Celtic burial ground raised above ground level, to keep the dead dry. The circular form is believed to be the celtic symbol of immortality". Who do we know who is searching for immortality? Lord Thingy! (i love that nickname, lol). So maybe (complete speculation here), there could be something at the graveyard he requires for immortality. We've already seen the link between graveyards and life in GoF, and it's possible that this could be the scene for a future confrontation.

Hannah

I think the graveyard is old, and hasn't been used for a long long time. Like the founders - with the possible exception of Slytherin - are buried there. Because if it's one where people have been buried this past century, we should have heard about it by now, because someone we know of should be buried there (like Cedric).

And if it's really old and half-forgotten, it would make sense to have a private funeral for Sirius there - they wouldn't have to worry that anyone would come and disrupt it, like would happen if it was a big popular known graveyard.

I dunno about Cedric being buried in a Hogwarts graveyard - he asked Harry to bring back his body for his parents, so I wouldn't see why Cedric's paretns wouldn't bury his body privately - the parents came for Moaning Myrtle's body (the movie had them taking it away, not canon, but I would think parents would privately bury a child). And, a burial for Sirius would be odd, as they don't have a body, and I'd think they might do it before they sent Harry away, if they were going to have some kind of wake/memorial/etc...

Along the lines, off topic as it is, I wonder if anybody would believe Sirius were dead. People may trust Dumbledore, but he'd have to release the info that the Order exists again, and it might invite people who could betray them to try to join. And they don't have, as far as we know, any proof that Sirius was in the Ministry 'or' died.

correction : we know where it was since Voldy's father was burried there !
There goes that theory :D

in responce to the founders being buried there...

i wud be glee-ed out to see godrics grave as Godric Potter Gryffindor, or Godric Gryffindor Potter.

also, i just though about this... we know the james is pure blood and lily is half or something (i think). knowing that purebloods are a liittle snobbish, i think therd be anger towards james (pureblood) being married to lil(half blood) who knows, maybe that's what jkr was talking aboout how we would find out a little bit about harry's grandparents?

I think that having a graveyard at Hogwarts fits in very well, just with the atmosphere. When I think about it if you are at the front of the school, then you are able to see the lake and Hagrid's Hut, and the forbidden forest. I think it is kinda weird because you never hear anyone talk about like the back side of the castle, maybe the graveyard is back there. As for the people who are burried there, I think that people who have done great things for Hogwarts are burried there, so that would include all of the headmasters, teachers, the founders, and even student who have done great things. I mean Lilly's wand was really good for charm work as we all know, and I think that might be why she is burried in the graveyard, Lilly probally did something really good that really helped the school out and it had to do with charms, and then naturally they are going to put husband and wife to rest together.

Ok, I just looked up the link between Celts and burial, and looking at this page, http://www.villagenet.co.uk/dr-syn/villages/ivychurch.php , it's interesting to note that "A Ciric is a circular Celtic burial ground raised above ground level, to keep the dead dry. The circular form is believed to be the celtic symbol of immortality". Who do we know who is searching for immortality? Lord Thingy! (i love that nickname, lol). So maybe (complete speculation here), there could be something at the graveyard he requires for immortality. We've already seen the link between graveyards and life in GoF, and it's possible that this could be the scene for a future confrontation.

Hannah



nice bit of investigate there... and i like that thought that
theres somthing important about there being somthing in the grave.im going to look more in to this.

as soon as i heard there was going to be a grave yard i thought that mabey theres somthing about lilly and james in that.

weve already seen that the bones of voldies old dad came in usefull, and lily gave harry protection in her death. if the potter ar in a grave in hogwarts mabey its for a greater good. (posibly a potion to save harry?)



as for the potters money james inherited it ( kind of like sirius who inherited it from a uncle) so james hada job he enjoyed ( like mr weasly enjoys mugles.)

It'd be great if James and Lily are buried at Hogwarts, but you do have to question why Dumbledore didn't tell Harry sooner. Also, if James and Lily are not buried at Hogwarts, where are they?

We need a funeral for Sirius too. Will he be buried at Hogwarts? Or back in London in/near Grimauld Place?

perhaps the graveyard is where the hogwarts ghosts are buried.

The fat friar.

The bloody baron.

Nearly headless nick......

what if that's where they are buried?

I mean we know maybe a little bit about how they died....

but we don't anything at all about why they haunt hogwarts as opposed to the place where they died. unless hogwart IS where they died.

moaning myrtle for example haunts the bathroom where she died.

hmmmm....

That is indeed VERY interesting. Maybe that's how Jo's going to reveal backgrounds of characters, by someone talking to Harry about the people in the graveyard?? Heh, just a pathetic guess. :p

the graveyard thing is very interesting... but isn't it kind of weird no one's talked about it? you'd think at least fred and george would've known... so i guess it would have to agree that it's been kept a secret... oh! i wonder if it's on the mauraders map??

I have a theory that I have posted previously on several other threads that Godric Gryffindor is an animagus in the form of Fawkes. As a phoenix he could regenerate himself over & over again, making it quite possible for him to still be around, as according to Fantastic Beasts & Where to Find Them phoenixes live to an "immense age".

There are many things that led me to this conclusion, but I will not repeat them here, unless anyone requests me to.

My point is that perhaps it is the founders of Hogwarts that are buried in this mysterious graveyard. Of course, if Godric Gryffindor is still alive in the form of Fawkes, his gravesite would be missing, which I think would create quite a stir! This would make the graveyard very significant.

have a theory that I have posted previously on several other threads that Godric Gryffindor is an animagus in the form of Fawkes. As a phoenix he could regenerate himself over & over again, making it quite possible for him to still be around, as according to Fantastic Beasts & Where to Find Them phoenixes live to an "immense age".

There are many things that led me to this conclusion, but I will not repeat them here, unless anyone requests me to.

My point is that perhaps it is the founders of Hogwarts that are buried in this mysterious graveyard. Of course, if Godric Gryffindor is still alive in the form of Fawkes, his gravesite would be missing, which I think would create quite a stir! This would make the graveyard very significant.


If Godric was an animagus, wouldnt he be in the form of a lion?

You never know, maybe the only reason it was a lion is the word Gryffin. I think the theory of him being an animagus makes sense. If his headstone were missing, that could cause an uproar of sorts.

A cemetery...if there are phamtoms at Hogwarts it would not be surprisising there would be a cemetery...but I think it will never be important, if not it would have already been mentioned.

If Godric was an animagus, wouldnt he be in the form of a lion?
Probably. Although I don't think it will happen, it would be funny if Voldemort's wand (the heir of Slytherin) was using a feather from Godric. :lol:

A lot of things could be important that haven't been mentioned. Like the threstrals.

We need a funeral for Sirius too. Will he be buried at Hogwarts? Or back in London in/near Grimauld Place?

There isnt a body to be burried is there? i mean, he fell through a veil and didnt come out again. Maybe they will give him a headstone or something at hogwarts. That might be how we find out about the graveyard-a funeral for sirius.
i think it's wierd that, in all the years Harry has known the truth about his parents, how come he has never wondered where they were burried...i mean, if it was me, i would want to know.

hmm...sounds kinda suspicious to me...i think we would have heard something on mugglenet

I said this before... but I'm really curious. Wouldn't the graveyard be on the Mauraders Map?? And then wouldn't Harry or at least the twins know about it already?

I said this before... but I'm really curious. Wouldn't the graveyard be on the Mauraders Map?? And then wouldn't Harry or at least the twins know about it already?

They didn't know where the Chamber of Secrets was, therefore it wasn't on the map. It could be hidden.

That's a good point that Harry has never wondered where they are buried. In fact, I thoroughly believe that was left out on purpose! Something you never think about because it is never brought up, but of course he would want to know where they are buried. Obviously, we're going to all find out.

Maybe the Haalf blood prince was buried there and Voldermort will try and resurect him.

Hey Doggy, Where did you hear about a possible graveyard being in Book 6? Do you remember a website with the link for the rumour? If you do, please post it. Thanks a lot!

It's on the first page.

It's true that there is no body for sirius's funeral. But they could still have a memorial service. Like where people get together to speak about him and eulogize him.

It's basically what people have to do when they don't have their loved ones body to have a proper burial.

It would probably be very private and quick anyway. most of the wizarding world still thinks sirius is a murderer so whatever service they have for him would probably have to be very low key and private.


but back to what this cemetary could be....


Is it possible that there are requirements for being buried in this cemetary?
For example, in order to be buried in arlington national cemetary you had to have been a member of the armed forces.

Do you think there are requirements that have to be fulfilled in order to have your body buried at the hogwarts cemetary?

But that's a different graveyard, a muggle graveyard in Little Hangelton (wherever that is). From what I understood, there will be a graveyard at Hogwarts (not the one where Voldemort was reborn) that will be important in book 6.

I think the graveyard is old, and hasn't been used for a long long time. Like the founders - with the possible exception of Slytherin - are buried there. Because if it's one where people have been buried this past century, we should have heard about it by now, because someone we know of should be buried there (like Cedric).

And if it's really old and half-forgotten, it would make sense to have a private funeral for Sirius there - they wouldn't have to worry that anyone would come and disrupt it, like would happen if it was a big popular known graveyard.

Doggy, nice post. I agree with your point about having a funeral for Sirius there...

Your second paragraph made me think. And before I get way off-topic I think I am going to go post this in Layers. Mind if I quote you there? ;)

Edit: All right, nevermind, this is going here, since it is purely speculation. What I was thinking was that if Ravenclaw, Hufflepuff, and Gryffindor were buried there, but not Slytherin, perhaps one of the ways of trying to unite the houses is restoring Slytherin to his rightful resting place. As we saw with Cedric wanting his parents to have his body back, the wizarding world (like the real world) hold stock in having proper burials.

Shauna

That would be SO intereasting. I like the theory that James and Lilly are burried there, and why hasn't Harry ever asked to visit their grave?Next time theres a chat with JK someone should definently ask her, although I suppose she can't answer that. Perhaps the graveyard is only accesible to be burried there if you are someone special/ did something worth while? hmm...

Doggy, nice post. I agree with your point about having a funeral for Sirius there...

Your second paragraph made me think. And before I get way off-topic I think I am going to go post this in Layers. Mind if I quote you there? ;)

Edit: All right, nevermind, this is going here, since it is purely speculation. What I was thinking was that if Ravenclaw, Hufflepuff, and Gryffindor were buried there, but not Slytherin, perhaps one of the ways of trying to unite the houses is restoring Slytherin to his rightful resting place. As we saw with Cedric wanting his parents to have his body back, the wizarding world (like the real world) hold stock in having proper burials.

Shauna


Wow, I REALLY like that theory!

A grave in Hogwarts is a bit weird but if that is what JK really said in the interview well then, who am i to oppose? But if i had a choise, i think it is unlikely... But wouldn't it be weird to find out about the graves only now? I mean, they have been in Hogwarts for 6 years now...

wow....I just got that link to work, and saw the video. I wonder why Mugglenet didn't pick up on this a bit more. Cuaron said it was either book six or seven...

Many of my theories are built on the idea that Harry is a descendant of Godric Griffindor. If Griffindor is the "you-know-what" (hehe) then it's likely that his burial location will be important. Maybe Harry will need to recover something from his tomb? I personally think that we'll be seeing the Graveyard in book six.

The link worked for me

I agree with Floria, but it doesn't just have to be Gryffindor. It could be anyone. I think that a weapon hidden in a grave is awesome, but this would work better with a Mauseleum setting.

Why would their be a cemetary at Hogwarts in book six only.

Erm...good question. I'm not sure why JKR decided to wait until book six. Perhaps she tried to incorporate it in earlier books, but felt that she would need to give too much away in order to write about it properly....

You would think she could have at least made a reference, though.

I think it's where Lily and James are buried... but I dunno.....

I agree, sirius....Lily and James will probally be there and Harry will go there to mourn.

I think it's where Lily and James are buried... but I dunno.....


I'm with the "I dunno" part of this quote. I don't think that Lily and James were able to have a proper burial because there was so little of them left after Voldie had his way with them. I know that it's gruesome and sad, but it's what I believe.

As far as someone's earlier argument that Lily and James would be reborn. I want to put a big kibash on that right now. JKR has said in several interviews that no one can be brought back from the dead. So if anyone is waiting for Lily and James to be reborn from this grave, I don't think it will happen.

Now before people start saying "Well Sam, Voldie was reborn!" I say, he never really was dead. He was on the brink of death....and Hagrid said it first, "Don't know if there was enough human left in him to die."

Speaking of Hagrid, we all know that he is the "Keeper of Keys" at Hogwarts. No one has ever explained those Keys. Maybe they're the Keys to this graveyard that Harry has never been able to enter before.

Food for thought.....

I heard that JKR told the director to remove the cemetry from the film because it would be in a different place in book 6. I imagine many hogwarts students may get killed by voldemort and his supporters, so it will serve as a place of burial for them.

maybe the cemetary is a fake and no-one is really buried there.

but is a secret entrance to the chamber of secrets?

no way because the chamber can't have another entrance. The doors to go in are only from one side and if you don't go in from that way it won't be there. It will be chust more pipes.

WOW! A graveyard? That makes sense to have it in the forbidin forest. Seeing as how it is forbidin, no one would be able to vandalize or something like that. But what is there to hide? Jo said it was next to a wing of the castle. And who's buried there? Is Cedric there? I wonder why James and Lily would be there, why at the school? Why would Dumbledor need to watch over them, let alone keep secret. Wow...it boggles the mind, never would have expected something like this.

Floria,
That's interesting, what you said about Godric Gryffindor being the HBP. What if he is buried there? But then that totally crushes my theory of Godric being an animagus, Fawkes infact.

Yes I can't wait to be introduced to the graveyard at Hogwarts. I'm sure the 4 founding wizards will be buried there - Gryff, Slyth, Huffs and Raves! (Lol!)

I'd also find it really interesting if they held a funeral for Sirius there. Harry really needs to let go and say goodbye.

I don't think Sirius will be burried at Hogwarts as they can't find his body. His body fell beyond the veil and you can't get it out of the veil.

I do think there'll be a funeral for Sirius, but not at Hogwarts as most students and people think he's an insane mass murderer. Or there won't even be a funeral, was there one for Lily and James? Not that we know of.

I do think there'll be a funeral for Sirius, but not at Hogwarts as most students and people think he's an insane mass murderer.

Ahem!! Sirius' name has been cleared!!!

I wonder where the graveyard actually is, could it be in the forest or across the lake near where Harry saves himself and Sirius from the death eaters?

It explains why there are so many ghosts around Hogwarts and perhaps this is where his mother and father can be found or the founders too.

You know if Lily and James are there and Dumbledore has kept the location of the burial place a secret from Harry all this time since he has been at Hogwarts, then Harry is going to be very hurt by his actions. It would mean that Harry could have gone to his parent’s grave and final accepted what has happened to them. In a way I hope his parents are not there in that graveyard as I would find it difficult to trust Dumbledore for hiding such information from Harry.

Ahem!! Sirius' name has been cleared!!!

No it hasn't. Wormtail got away remember.

They need to hold some sort of memorial service for ol' Sirius though, they can't just let him go without saying a proper goodbye.

No it hasn't. Wormtail got away remember.

They need to hold some sort of memorial service for ol' Sirius though, they can't just let him go without saying a proper goodbye.

I agree with that but I am just worried that Harry's parents might be there too and Harry has not had a proper chance to say goodbye to them for over 5 years. I can't see Harry thanking Dumbledore for keeping this from him.