Little Questions Answered

You'd think they'd adopt a more current version of the Potions book, I'm sure some new potions have been made in the last fifty years.
Quite true. Maybe they'll be covering new potions in 7th year NEWT level classes. Unfortunately, we won't be seeing those classes.

You'd think they'd adopt a more current version of the Potions book, I'm sure some new potions have been made in the last fifty years.

Not least the Wolfsbane Potion Snape brewed for Remus, it is after all "a very recent discovery"

Not least the Wolfsbane Potion Snape brewed for Remus, it is after all "a very recent discovery"

Well ... that's true ... maybe the books just add pages magically when new potions are discovered?

I would imagine that many of the basic potions have not changed all that much over the last 50 or so years. In the OWL level classes, the focus should be on the basics and new potions would seem unlikely to creep up.
I would think that new potions could be added to the class, but that often times, they aren't unless they are extremely useful. Wolfsbane potion would be a good one to add, or at least a good one for Harry to learn.
I would hope that at least every now and then, the magical world would update its books, and include some of these wonderful new finds. Of course, as someone else said, maybe new potions are restricted to seventh year study.

Actually, I think we can...Harry makes no destinction between the handwritten potions notes and the spells...and he insists to Hermione that the Prince is a bloke

True, Harry made no distinction, but that doesn't mean there isn't one. If Harry's so observant, why didn't he realize the handwriting was Snape's until after he knew it was Snape's book? He connected that one quite late in the game.

True, Harry made no distinction, but that doesn't mean there isn't one. If Harry's so observant, why didn't he realize the handwriting was Snape's until after he knew it was Snape's book? He connected that one quite late in the game.

I'm going to post something almost close to what i've posted on another topic ... and this is where it gets really strange.

BTW ... heddie ... good to see ya!!!!

so .. Harry might be observant ... but he's still going to only be able to apply his own experience and his own intelligence to any situation. Some people might be more empathetic to others because they had more "hurdles" to overcome when growing up ... or vice versa. Harry's pretty happy that he's not sucking in Potions ... Well both Harry AND Ron would like to be up to par with Hermione as far as book smarts go ... that's just an underlying competitiveness ... it really means nothing ... it's just human nature. Still ... I think Harry would like to be good at something just for the sake of being GOOD at it ... and NOT because he's the "chosen one" or "scarhead" or whatever!!!! It's just being a teenager. :)

I was re-reading the last few chapters of HBP and noticed that before Harry and DD mounted their broomsticks for their return to Hogwarts, no mention was made about DD or Harry putting a Disillusionment Charm on Harry and his cloak, before the flight. If that was the case, why didn't Harry's cloak fall off. I believe it was Lupin who said in OOTP that Harry's cloak would fall off mid-flight and that he would a Disillusionment Charm placed upon him to remain completly hidden. Was this a mistake on JKR part, or did he indeed have the charm placed on him, and we just didnt know about it. Just wondering; what do you all think?

No, it wasn't as far as a flight from Hogsmeade to Hogwarts as Privet to Grimmauld.

I actually just finished reading that part. Im guessing that DD was too weak or otherwise preoccupied due to weakness and distress at the Dark Mark appearing over Hogwarts to disillusion Harry. Im also guessing that on such a short flight the cloak would be okay but on leaving Privet Drive for Grimmauld Place they were flying much farther for much longer. So under those circumstances the cloak would not have done as well.

As it was a short flight I am sure that Harry could hang on to the cloak for that small amount of time. Also, Dumbledore probably wasn't even thinking about it, he was to concerned about Hogwarts.

I would imagine that many of the basic potions have not changed all that much over the last 50 or so years. In the OWL level classes, the focus should be on the basics and new potions would seem unlikely to creep up.
I would think that new potions could be added to the class, but that often times, they aren't unless they are extremely useful. Wolfsbane potion would be a good one to add, or at least a good one for Harry to learn.
I would hope that at least every now and then, the magical world would update its books, and include some of these wonderful new finds. Of course, as someone else said, maybe new potions are restricted to seventh year study.

Aren't the books self updating. The book that Nicholas Flamel is in was very old but gave his current age.

I agree with what has already been said. That being that it was a short flight. I also think that it has to do with the manner in which they were flying. On the occasion in OoTP they were flying in a precautionary, defensive position. They were traveling in different directions and were flying both fast and crazily (don't know if that is a word but I like the sound of it). In HBP they weren't trying to avoid danger they were flying straight into it. Plus we don't know if Harry had the cloak on while flying the broomstick, do we? I don't remember if she ever said he had it on while flying. If he didn't he could have put it on after they landed. Just a thought.

Aren't the books self updating. The book that Nicholas Flamel is in was very old but gave his current age.

you're right rust ... there is age .. but then there's magical age ... and it's a WHOLE different ball o twine:)

Does Dumbledore ever say in HBP that he thought Voldemort intended to use Harry's death to create his final Horcrux? I've looked through the book a bit, but can't find it, so I'll defer to someone who knows the book better than I do...

In HBP they weren't trying to avoid danger they were flying straight into it. Plus we don't know if Harry had the cloak on while flying the broomstick, do we? I don't remember if she ever said he had it on while flying. If he didn't he could have put it on after they landed. Just a thought.Before leaving Hogsmeade on Rosmerta's brooms Dumbledore told him to put on the cloak. And so he did.

Edit. teo Dumbledore did indeed say just that. In chapter 23.

Before leaving Hogsmeade on Rosmerta's brooms Dumbledore told him to put on the cloak. And so he did.

Okay thanks I wasn't sure if he had it on. Even so it doesn't change my argument. The cloak could have blown off or something similar. All he would have had to do was hold on to it and make sure it was on securely once he landed.

I was re-reading the last few chapters of HBP and noticed that before Harry and DD mounted their broomsticks for their return to Hogwarts, no mention was made about DD or Harry putting a Disillusionment Charm on Harry and his cloak, before the flight. If that was the case, why didn't Harry's cloak fall off. I believe it was Lupin who said in OOTP that Harry's cloak would fall off mid-flight and that he would a Disillusionment Charm placed upon him to remain completly hidden. Was this a mistake on JKR part, or did he indeed have the charm placed on him, and we just didnt know about it. Just wondering; what do you all think?

A disillusionment charm doesn't make you invisible, it just matches you to your surroundings. The trip from the Dursleys to London wasn't short, so obviously they thought it would be a better idea, rather than risk a DE or spy be able to recognize it was Harry if the cloak moved around. You can walk from Hogwart's to Hogsmead, it's not far (just too far for Dumbledore in his weakened state).

My thoughts on previous questions...

I tried to read the whole thread but didn't make it...

How did the basin refill after RAB?
1. Refilling spell
2. Automatically filled
3. R.A.B. filled it with the potion after removing whatever was there originally
4. R.A.B. was able to penetrate the invisible barrier... I had the idea that it was the same type of barrier from the end of HBP through which only deatheaters could go... But I've been told that's too simple... If R.A.B. was a deatheater... that is a possibility...

Can magical powers develop later in life?
I don't know, but it seems to be widely accepted in the Wizarding World that unless powers show up by the age of 11 then you are either a Muggle or a Squib.

Griffindor head of House: Rubeus Hagrid.

How did Draco get the Hand of Glory.
What we saw in Chamber of Secrets was Draco investigating the Hand of Glory and his father telling him not to touch... There's nothing to say he didn't come back to purchase it later.

Someone wondered whether the fact that Wormtail is hanging around Snape means that Voldemort is spying on Snape. I think it does. Even J.K. Rowling said he's worth keeping an eye on... :)

Griffindor Sword or Sorting Hat a horcrux?
Well, the hat is a possiblity but it would be tricky because 1. it's been kept in the headmasters office for centuries and 2. It's already got the minds or personalities of the four founders in it... would it be effective to put his soul in there too.

Griffindor's Sword wasn't accessable until the end of Chamber of Secrets... I guess it's possible that it wasn't always stored in the Hat... and that someone stuffed it in there for safe keeping... That would be really ironic if while fighting one of Voldemort's horcruxes, harry's bravery caused him to find a hidden horcrux in the hat! But I think it's unlikely.

What will Hermione tell her parents when she goes on the quest with Harry?
She'll leave a note.

The other minister in book 7: Yes... but I didn't think it odd that he was only featured at the very beginning of book 6. It was a great way to lead in to the Wizarding and Muggle worlds in a state of Wizard War.

Why didn't the deatheaters wear hoods at the end of HBP?
They expected everyone to be asleep and the only one who would hear/see them would be Dumbledore, the person they were there to kill.

Who's guarding Azkaban? Why won't Voldemort rescue Lucius?
Aurors and other Ministry officials are probably guarding Azkaban. Voldemort has left Lucius in jail as a punishment... Perhaps he feels that Malfoy is not worth the trouble of rescuing.

Draco as Madam Pince in the Library... I doubt it. I don't think he could get the hair...but it would be very funny to see the attempt.

Mouth organ
Dumbledore meant that the organ was not a horcrux.
Harry expected the mouth organ to be on the table, because it was in the memory Harry had just watched. When Harry saw the black ring in the pensieve it had been on the table. Harry expected the same thing to happen with the ring.

Why does Harry's potions ability remind Slughorn of Lily?
Lily was his favorite student and she did well in Potions.

Now Harry, Lily's child, is looking at him with Lily's eyes and doing well in Potions.

I don't think it has anything to do with Snape. I don't think it suggests any type of relationship between Lily and Snape. I think Lily was shocked in book 5 that here she was defending this guy against some mean bullies and all he can think about is his pure blood predjudices. She was angered and hurt by his ingratitude.

Dumbledore's "oho" is equal to "aha" or "eureka" I don't think Slughorn is pretending to be Dumbledore or anything...

Dumbledore can understand or translate parseltongue.

Dorcas Meadows and the last Horcrux... whoever suggested this... I think it's a great lead! She was in the Order... maybe she was a griffindor...

Why doesn't Harry question Dumbledore about what he saw when he was drinking the Potion? Harry is more concerned about Dumbledore's life than curious about what DD was seeing...

"essense divided" from book five means "soul divided" Dumbledore's was musing on whether or not Voldemort had divided his soul... or had a soul...

NOW!

If by some miracle, someone is still reading this post... here are my little questions.

Is the Unbreakable Vow dark magic?

Was the Liquid in he basin concealing the locket the Draught of Living Death

MugglyBrit, your questions are hardly "little". I would recommend that you use the search engine (http://www.cosforums.com/search.php) to find the threads dedicated to those topics. :)

Edit. teo Dumbledore did indeed say just that. In chapter 23.

Alastor D, could you be a bit more specific?

Does Dumbledore ever say in HBP that he thought Voldemort intended to use Harry's death to create his final Horcrux? I've looked through the book a bit, but can't find it, so I'll defer to someone who knows the book better than I do...Yes. From page 473, chapter 23 of the UK version:

"However, if my calculations are correct, Voldemort was still at least one Horcrux short of his goal of six when he entered your parents' house with the intention of killing you.

"He seems to have reserved the process of making Horcruxes for particularly significant deaths. You would certainly have been that. He believed that in killing you, he was destroying the danger the prophecy had outlined. He believed he was making himself invincible. I am sure that he was intending to make his final Horcrux with your death."

Alastor D, could you be a bit more specific?

I'm not Alastor D, but:-

"He seems to have reserved the process of making Horcruxes for particularly significant deaths. You would certainly have been that. He believed that in killing you, he was destroying the danger the prophecy had outlined. He believed he was making himself invincible. I am sure that he was intending to make his final Horcrux with your death." (p. 473, Horcruxes, U.K. edition)


hope that helps.

Sorry didn't notice zingara had already posted this.

My thoughts on previous questions...

I tried to read the whole thread but didn't make it...

How did the basin refill after RAB?
1. Refilling spell
2. Automatically filled
3. R.A.B. filled it with the potion after removing whatever was there originally
4. R.A.B. was able to penetrate the invisible barrier... I had the idea that it was the same type of barrier from the end of HBP through which only deatheaters could go... But I've been told that's too simple... If R.A.B. was a deatheater... that is a possibility...

my question is why refill the basin at all?

Can magical powers develop later in life?
I believe that JKR said in an interview that we're going to see someone develop powers later in life

Griffindor head of House: Rubeus Hagrid.
this would be fun :)

How did Draco get the Hand of Glory.
What we saw in Chamber of Secrets was Draco investigating the Hand of Glory and his father telling him not to touch... There's nothing to say he didn't come back to purchase it later.

who knows what draco is up to now that his dad's jailed ... the stupid git!!!!

Griffindor Sword or Sorting Hat a horcrux?

good question ... no to both because LV would have had to have spent some time in DD's office :) and doesn't the hat already have some bits of soul in it? that would be a better question.


What will Hermione tell her parents when she goes on the quest with Harry?
She'll leave a note.

doubt it

Who's guarding Azkaban? Why won't Voldemort rescue Lucius?
Aurors and other Ministry officials are probably guarding Azkaban. Voldemort has left Lucius in jail as a punishment... Perhaps he feels that Malfoy is not worth the trouble of rescuing.

weren't the prisoner's transferred to the vaults in Gringott's?

Why does Harry's potions ability remind Slughorn of Lily?
Lily was his favorite student and she did well in Potions.

I like that one alot

"essense divided" from book five means "soul divided" Dumbledore's was musing on whether or not Voldemort had divided his soul... or had a soul...

good call ... I think most of us can get behind that theory.

Is the Unbreakable Vow dark magic?

How could it NOT be if you DIE when you break it?

Was the Liquid in the basin concealing the locket the Draught of Living Death

I don't think it was the draught of living death ... i imagine that would make you pass out ... and you'd act like you were sleeping ... DD was aware .... where is that bezoar when you need it!!!!!

I have a thought(not a question persay). When Harry was trying to get water for DD in the cave, couldn't Harry have just put his wand in DD's mouth and said the spell? He proboably didn't think about it then, though.

I have a thought(not a question persay). When Harry was trying to get water for DD in the cave, couldn't Harry have just put his wand in DD's mouth and said the spell? He proboably didn't think about it then, though.

I think that every time Harry tried to conjure the water it disappeared. It would make sense then, that had he just put the water into Dumbledore's mouth, it woud have just disappeared then. I think that the way the magic protecting the cave was set up, it was impossible to cast a spell that would relieve the thirst of the one who drank the potion...but I'm not 100% about that.

I have a thought(not a question persay). When Harry was trying to get water for DD in the cave, couldn't Harry have just put his wand in DD's mouth and said the spell? He proboably didn't think about it then, though.I don't think it would have worked. The water disappeared as soon as it neared Dumbledore's mouth, not as soon as it filled the cup.

I think it would have been very risky, too. If it did, in fact, work then a strong stream of water would be shot into the very weak Dumbledore's mouth. He could easily drown on it, I think.

If by some miracle, someone is still reading this post... here are my little questions.

Is the Unbreakable Vow dark magic?

Was the Liquid in he basin concealing the locket the Draught of Living Death

I don't think that the Unbreakable Vow can be Dark Magic given that George and Fred tried to make Ron to it when he was five. Even if it wouldn't have worked I wonder how two seven year olds could have found out about such Dark magic. It will be interesting to see if it plays some part in the Wedding ceremony. Till death us do part, indeed. :evil:

When the Potions class was making the Draught, in their first lesson, it appeared to take on various hues of blue rather than the Green that was evident in the Cave.

... if RAB had to presumebly go through the same challenges, how did the stuff that DD drunk get refilled, because if it didnt somehow do it automatically, someone would have had to notice the locket not being there.

My theory is the locket could have been switched before Voldemort put it there without him knowing. Unless you can feel if something has your soul.

I wonder why the diary was a horcrux?

As for your question regarding if Voldemort would have to drink it, also, I'm sure he can touch it with his hands (kind of like a key or a password). The potion can detect of it's anyone else.

"However, if my calculations are correct, Voldemort was still at least one Horcrux short of his goal of six when he entered your parents' house with the intention of killing you.

"He seems to have reserved the process of making Horcruxes for particularly significant deaths. You would certainly have been that. He believed that in killing you, he was destroying the danger the prophecy had outlined. He believed he was making himself invincible. I am sure that he was intending to make his final Horcrux with your death."

I remember reading a passage where, I think it's Hagrid, who describes the scene at the Potters when he goes to save baby Harry. If memory serves me right, Hagrid (if it's him) says something like all that's left were bodies and -----------. I'm wondering if THAT'S the horcrux? Or at least a clue. It could be at the beginning of book 1 or in book 3 where we find out about Sirius' suppsoed betrayal.

I don't think that the Unbreakable Vow can be Dark Magic given that George and Fred tried to make Ron to it when he was five. Even if it wouldn't have worked I wonder how two seven year olds could have found out about such Dark magic. It will be interesting to see if it plays some part in the Wedding ceremony. Till death us do part, indeed. :evil:

When the Potions class was making the Draught, in their first lesson, it appeared to take on various hues of blue rather than the Green that was evident in the Cave.

F&G got into BIG trouble for trying to do that unbreakable vow ... i'd like to know what it was all about though. :)

The Draught of the living dead started out a purple color and moved towards a lavendar color i think :)

Hey, am I the only one who thought Ollivander was sort of like Willy Wonka?

Hey, am I the only one who thought Ollivander was sort of like Willy Wonka?

Hmmm ... Willy Wonka? No that's not the impression that I got ... strange old bloke though.

F&G got into BIG trouble for trying to do that unbreakable vow ... i'd like to know what it was all about though. :)

The Draught of the living dead started out a purple color and moved towards a lavendar color i think :)

Correct, then to palest pink, and finally, completely clear. They didn't have enough time in class to finish. There is a theory out there that the lake in the cave wasn't really water, but the draught of the living dead.

any thoughts on why susan bones was absent, seeing as there was mention that madame bones was murdered?She was at Hogwarts although she was only mentioned once. She was the first student to splinch herself when they were learning to apparate. :huh:

She was at Hogwarts although she was only mentioned once. She was the first student to splinch herself when they were learning to apparate. :huh:

I thought there was a passage that said she left after she found out her Aunt had died ... or her parents pulled her out of school or something like that ... I don't have my book handy :(

I thought there was a passage that said she left after she found out her Aunt had died ... or her parents pulled her out of school or something like that ... I don't have my book handy :(


Eloise Midgeon's parents pulled her out of school, perhaps you're confusing the two.

Eloise Midgeon's parents pulled her out of school, perhaps you're confusing the two.

Thanks ... i'm sure I was confusing them.

Sorry to jump in here, but I'd just like to add that Hannah Abbot was also pulled out of school when her mother was murdered.

Sorry to jump in here, but I'd just like to add that Hannah Abbot was also pulled out of school when her mother was murdered.

THANK YOU ... that's who I was thinking of!!!!

weren't the prisoner's transferred to the vaults in Gringott's?I'm afraid they were not. Can't recall anything of that kind. On the other hand Dumbledore says at least twice that Lucius is 'safe in Azkaban'. Chapters 23 and 27 (pages 475 and 553 British edition).

I'm afraid they were not. Can't recall anything of that kind. On the other hand Dumbledore says at least twice that Lucius is 'safe in Azkaban'. Chapters 23 and 27 (pages 475 and 553 British edition).

I must be getting confuzzled with some fanfic ... LOL

In GoF, when they are waiting to go to the Quidditch World Cup, Mr Weasley counts down the seconds, until the portkey acts, from his watch. In HBP, when Harry is waiting for DD to "rescue" him from the Dursleys, his repaired alarm clock has just struck 11 o'clock, when DD shows up and turns off the street lights. Do the UK wizards have some kind of magical timekeeping that keeps all their clocks on the same exact time? What do you think?

In GoF, when they are waiting to go to the Quidditch World Cup, Mr Weasley counts down the seconds, until the portkey acts, from his watch. In HBP, when Harry is waiting for DD to "rescue" him from the Dursleys, his repaired alarm clock has just struck 11 o'clock, when DD shows up and turns off the street lights. Do the UK wizards have some kind of magical timekeeping that keeps all their clocks on the same exact time? What do you think?

That's a really good question!!! Also, when DD goes to the Dursley's he gets there just a few minutes before Hagrid ... how would he know how long it took Hagrid to bundle up the babe and get gone?

Also, when DD goes to the Dursley's he gets there just a few minutes before Hagrid ... how would he know how long it took Hagrid to bundle up the babe and get gone?Maybe he had told Hagrid to stay low during the day and bring Harry at midnight.

I always wondered about that. Maybe the clock wasn't telling him the time, but how soon until *nearby magical object* would kick in. In that case it was a Portkey. Those moons and planets have to mean something!

Actually, with the Wizarding ability to travel and communicate anywhere instantly, meeting someone at a given time isn't too tough. Dumbledore knew that he was flying so maybe he gave Hagrid extra time. It wouldn't be too hard if Dumbledore got a message from Hagrid telling him "I just left, headed for Surrey, will be there in an hour" to apparate exactly 60 minutes from the time the message appeared. Hagrid was still late in the end though, but not too badly.

Ron got a new watch on his 17th birthday, it's not your average watch. Not exactly like Dumbledore's, but in the same direction. Any thoughts? Maybe a family heirloom? What does it do? Quote is below for your reference.

From HBP, page 390 US: "Seriously good haul this year!" he announced, holding up a heavy gold watch with odd symbols around the edge and tiny moving stars instead of hands. "See what Mum and Dad got me? Blimey, I think I'll come of age next year too..."
"Cool," muttered Harry, sparing the watch a glance before peering more closely at the map. Where was Malfoy?

Ron got a new watch on his 17th birthday, it's not your average watch. Not exactly like Dumbledore's, but in the same direction. Any thoughts? Maybe a family heirloom? What does it do? Quote is below for your reference.

From HBP, page 390 US: "Seriously good haul this year!" he announced, holding up a heavy gold watch with odd symbols around the edge and tiny moving stars instead of hands. "See what Mum and Dad got me? Blimey, I think I'll come of age next year too..."
"Cool," muttered Harry, sparing the watch a glance before peering more closely at the map. Where was Malfoy?
What I don't get is how he'll come of age next year when he should be of age already. Maybe it's an error.

Yeah, I think it has to do with using magic more than the actual time. But time and magic are related anyway. Maybe you need a watch to apparate, sorta like a map. But skilled wizards can apparate without checking one first.

What I don't get is how he'll come of age next year when he should be of age already. Maybe it's an error.I think he's saying he'd like to come of age again next year . . . basically to get more good gifts. He's only gonna be 17 once, though.

What I don't get is how he'll come of age next year when he should be of age already. Maybe it's an error.

Yeah, I think it has to do with using magic more than the actual time. But time and magic are related anyway. Maybe you need a watch to apparate, sorta like a map. But skilled wizards can apparate without checking one first.

I thought that he was turning 17 ... as he and hermione were both going to be able to take their apparition tests?

He was turning seventeen that year; he said "I think I'll come of age next year, too" because of all the great stuff he got this year (like the watch).

He was turning seventeen that year; he said "I think I'll come of age next year, too" because of all the great stuff he got this year (like the watch).
Oh, I get it now. :p :blush: Not literally. For a minute there I thought that there was going to be a time-turner involved...

Oh, I get it now. :p :blush: Not literally. For a minute there I thought that there was going to be a time-turner involved...

ahhhh I get it ... like ... i think i'll turn 17 every year ... DUH *smacks herself in the forhead*

Whats up with Gringotts was anyone else surprised by the bank restricting access to peoples money ?, and making users wait for hours to get their money out of their bank vaults ?. I thought that was a little excessive on the Goblins part . so what do others think ? :huh:

That's what confused me. Except for the mouth organ/harmonica in Riddle's box of stolen items, I don't think it was mentioned.

The quote is on Page 278. "Very astute, Harry, but the mouth organ was only ever a mouth organ."

"And on that enigmatic note, he waved to Harry, who understood himself to be dismissed?"

That's the part I don't understand. How does "enigmatic" fit in. Is Dumbledore hiding something that I missed after that?
Maybe...it wasn't something it was not..a piece of memorabilia hiding a piece of soul? Maybe he wanted to show Harry that some of the things LV had pieces of LV in it...and that Harry had to watch for things LV had touched and cared about as possible pieces of the puzzle he must solve to get to LV in the end.

Whats up with Gringotts was anyone else surprised by the bank restricting access to peoples money ?, and making users wait for hours to get their money out of their bank vaults ?. I thought that was a little excessive on the Goblins part . so what do others think ? :huh:

This is a good question ... I mean ... are they making everyone remove their shoes?

Whats up with Gringotts was anyone else surprised by the bank restricting access to peoples money ?, and making users wait for hours to get their money out of their bank vaults ?. I thought that was a little excessive on the Goblins part . so what do others think ? :huh:

Good point. In the Muggle world at least restricting access to banks and money would lead to panic and a likely stock market crash. I can understand they'd want to beef up security, but restricting people's access to their own vaults?

Good point. In the Muggle world at least restricting access to banks and money would lead to panic and a likely stock market crash. I can understand they'd want to beef up security, but restricting people's access to their own vaults?

Well this is the Magical world we're talking about ... and also Gremlins ... not the nicest of beasts ... right?

I apologize if this has been asked or answered, but are Tiberius Ogden and Bob Ogden related, or possibly one and the same?

I apologize if this has been asked or answered, but are Tiberius Ogden and Bob Ogden related, or possibly one and the same?

No reason why they wouldn't be related ... I don't know for sure ... but i'd speculate that they were. :)

The mouth organ comment I thought was a dig at fans. Basically saying that we seem to make a fantastic theory out of every single object in harry potter. So why can't objects just be objects

I actually think that the mouth organ comment was horcrux foreshadowing, implying that the mouth organ was only ever a mouth organ, but the ring was much more. However, I do think you have a point! I saw a lot of things that Jo included in this novel that seem to determinedly squash some of the more outlandish theories we've come up with.

I actually think that the mouth organ comment was horcrux foreshadowing, implying that the mouth organ was only ever a mouth organ, but the ring was much more. However, I do think you have a point! I saw a lot of things that Jo included in this novel that seem to determinedly squash some of the more outlandish theories we've come up with.

See I always thought that the mouth organ was mentioned to parallel the difference between an item you'd use for a horcrux and an item you'd use for a portkey.

Another question...why did Malfoy appear sick/gray?
Maybe he is a sith...oops...wrong fandom!

to Luv2read
Malfoy probably had just figured out just how hard the task was that Voldemort set for him, and the difficulty of the task was making him sick . :huh:

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Malfoy probably had just figured out just how hard the task was that Voldemort set for him, and the difficulty of the task was making him sick . :huh:
That and the consequences for himself and his family if he failed. :td:

That and the consequences for himself and his family if he failed. :td:

It's possible he's also figured out that he's being used as opposed to being the user ... like he normally is. :)

Whats up with Gringotts was anyone else surprised by the bank restricting access to peoples money ?, and making users wait for hours to get their money out of their bank vaults ?. I thought that was a little excessive on the Goblins part . so what do others think ? Not surprised in the least. Goblins are very clever, that is what Harry is told by Hagrid when they first enter Gringotts.
In Goblet of Fire we see just how tenacious the Goblins are about getting the money that is due to them and making sure that they are not cheated or stolen from. (Although Ludo Bagman had to go on the run as he didn't have the money to pay them)
Professor Binns, according to Harry, is always teaching about Goblin Wars and the uprisings, usually against prejudice and discrimination.
So, I think it is exactly what I would have expected to happen.

Also in the Muggle world, if the banks think there is going to be a run on the money they tend to restrict what people can get out so there isn't a problem with finances. (This was before the age of ATM's and the internet banking system.)

My theory is the locket could have been switched before Voldemort put it there without him knowing. Unless you can feel if something has your soul.


It doesn't seem like LV would be able to feel if it had his soul because of what DD says on page 474 0f the U.K. Version

"Does Voldmort know when a Horcrux is destroyed, sir? Can he feel it?" Harry asked.
"I believe not. I believe that Voldemort is now so immersed in evil, and these crucial parts of himself have been detatched for so long, he does not feel as we do.

However LV would still have known if he had the fake locket. ON page 568 of the UK version it says of the fake:

This was neither as large as the locket he remembered seeing in the pensieve, nor were there any markings upon it, no sign of the ornate S that was supposed to be Slytherins mark

So it seems that we know that LV has never seen the fake locket or he would of cleary recognized it

I'm rereading the book right now and one thing (at least one thing that hasn't been questioned yet) strikes me as odd - why does DD give the invitations for private lessons to other people instead of Harry directly? Do you think there is any reason he chose the people he did or is it completely random? This probably isn't very important but it just makes very little sense to me.

It doesn't seem like LV would be able to feel if it had his soul because of what DD says on page 474 0f the U.K. Version



However LV would still have known if he had the fake locket. ON page 568 of the UK version it says of the fake:



So it seems that we know that LV has never seen the fake locket or he would of cleary recognized it

I was thinking that the fake locket was transfigured to look like the real locket ... and the transfiguration spell ended when RAB was murdered but after the locket was put in the potion.

I was thinking that the fake locket was transfigured to look like the real locket ... and the transfiguration spell ended when RAB was murdered but after the locket was put in the potion.

Hi Surry -- if RAB was bold enough to leave a note to VM, why would he care if the locket looked like the old one or not....in fact, I'd think it'd be more infuriating to VM that it was apparent right away that it wasn't the locket.

I'm rereading the book right now and one thing (at least one thing that hasn't been questioned yet) strikes me as odd - why does DD give the invitations for private lessons to other people instead of Harry directly? Do you think there is any reason he chose the people he did or is it completely random? This probably isn't very important but it just makes very little sense to me.Maybe he thought he had better use for his time than walk around looking for Harry and therefore gave it to the first student he met. Or maybe he thought that having some one deliver it would attach less attention than himself approaching Harry in a crowd.

Maybe he thought he had better use for his time than walk around looking for Harry and therefore gave it to the first student he met. Or maybe he thought that having some one deliver it would attach less attention than himself approaching Harry in a crowd.

Somewhere in the back of my mind, I seem to remember from an earlier book, that this was a common method of delivery by the headmaster. I'll have to check the books, but it seemed familiar somehow.

I can't for the moment recall Dumbledore doing it. But other teachers. On the school train Slughorn had students deliver his Slug Club invitations and after the battle McGonagall obviously sent Ginny to fetch Harry and bring him to the hospital wing.

Maybe he thought he had better use for his time than walk around looking for Harry and therefore gave it to the first student he met. Or maybe he thought that having some one deliver it would attach less attention than himself approaching Harry in a crowd.That's right! Dumbledore would not want to attract attention. It was also interesting that he kept changing the note bearers.

Hey, one of my friends just asked me this, and I realised I had never even thought of it before. It may not be important, and I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but here goes:

What happened to Voldwemorts body after he killed the Potters?

We know the AK curse rebounded and ripped him from his body, so I assume that means his body is dead. But what happened to it. Is it still in the remains of the Potter house decomposing? Was it buried? If so, where?

Hey, one of my friends just asked me this, and I realised I had never even thought of it before. It may not be important, and I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but here goes:

What happened to Voldwemorts body after he killed the Potters?

We know the AK curse rebounded and ripped him from his body, so I assume that means his body is dead. But what happened to it. Is it still in the remains of the Potter house decomposing? Was it buried? If so, where?

that's a great question ... i wonder if it disintegrated like Quirrel's body did when Harry touched him?

Harry didn't touch Voldy at Godric's Hollow though.
And from each other instance of the AK curse, the body is left behind.

Also, we don't know how he got his wand back either. Could be the same person that got his wand, also got his body. Maybe Wormtail or Lucious.

Also, I think the disintergration only happened in the movie. I think in the book he just got burned or something. Cause Harry kept holding on to him until he passed out.

Harry didn't touch Voldy at Godric's Hollow though.
And from each other instance of the AK curse, the body is left behind.

Also, we don't know how he got his wand back either. Could be the same person that got his wand, also got his body. Maybe Wormtail or Lucious.
Can you just immagine the panic that must have taken place that night .The others that were there seeing their lord and master stride into the Potter house , hearing the battle and the death of James ,then the death of Lily , then the final Avada Kedavara ,followed by a big explosion and the house comes apart, and no Dark Lord. They enter the house and find a living Harry and a dead Dark Lord. They must have gone totally nuts ,none of them would have had the guts to take on the baby that had just finished off their leader . They probably just grabbed his body and wand and fled the house and started hiding and covering their butts. :tu: :scared: ;)

That's what confused me. Except for the mouth organ/harmonica in Riddle's box of stolen items, I don't think it was mentioned.

The quote is on Page 278. "Very astute, Harry, but the mouth organ was only ever a mouth organ."

"And on that enigmatic note, he waved to Harry, who understood himself to be dismissed?"

That's the part I don't understand. How does "enigmatic" fit in. Is Dumbledore hiding something that I missed after that?
The mouth organ was one of Riddle's "trophies". When he was a child, Riddle only kept his torphies, he dind'tt do anythign else with them, but when he was older his later trophies were made into Horcruxes. So Harry's idea that the young Voldemort might do something with his prizes that would be signiifant was "astute".

Ho hum.

We know that Voldemort cannot be killed whilst he has a Horcrux rooting his soul to this world, so what would happen if his body passed through, was pushed or was thrown through the veil in the Dept. of Mysteries, would his soul pass back into this world?

forgive me if this question has been asked before...
Why was Umbridge at Dumbledore's funeral and why was she back at the Ministry???

It would seem to me that word would have gotten out about the things she attempted to/did to Harry and plus, she admitted at one point in the 5th book that she disliked Dumbledore (more or less). How dare she show her face there!! was it to save face more than anything? I had gathered that after she had left Hogwart's she was in a bad state and didn't think she would be able to go back to the Ministry....


I know there is an Umbridge discussion in "History of Magic" but I didn't want to mention anything from the HBP in there and nobody mentioned her at D's funeral.

Please help if you know!!

The first item from the pensieve memory (the ring) was then on DD's table. So the second time an object struck Harry's interest, he again looked for it on DD's table. DD praises Harry (for learning to be observant?) but also tells him that the mouth organ was nothing more than it appears to be. Since Harry didn't yet know all of the things the ring was (for example, a Horcrux), DD's remark is "enigmatic" because Harry doesn't quite know what DD's implying about the ring.

Aahh yes, this certainly makes it make sense to me :p

forgive me if this question has been asked before...
Why was Umbridge at Dumbledore's funeral and why was she back at the Ministry???

It would seem to me that word would have gotten out about the things she attempted to/did to Harry and plus, she admitted at one point in the 5th book that she disliked Dumbledore (more or less). How dare she show her face there!! was it to save face more than anything? I had gathered that after she had left Hogwart's she was in a bad state and didn't think she would be able to go back to the Ministry....


I know there is an Umbridge discussion in "History of Magic" but I didn't want to mention anything from the HBP in there and nobody mentioned her at D's funeral.

Please help if you know!!Short answer, the Ministry is corrupt ... and Umbridge needed to make an appearance at the funeral.

Long answer:

People like Umbridge are very valuable in a service/secretarial capacity. She has no moral fibre, no limits to what she will do to ensure her boss's happiness. She's like Percy, only she's less grating (imagine how annoying it would be to have Percy sucking up to you every opportunity he finds) and more ruthless. Her devotion to the Ministry is unfaltering.

She was treated very poorly at Hogwarts by the teachers, students and by Dumbledore himself. Please note that I do not argue that she deserved everything she received. :) Her absence at the funeral would have been a huge show of weakness and disrespect on her part; she wants to keep up appearances now more than ever, I imagine.

thank you Zingara...and so my next question: The Ministry remains corrupt after Fudge's resignation and even after everybody discovers the Ministry had been covering up Voldermort's return??

thank you Zingara...and so my next question: The Ministry remains corrupt after Fudge's resignation and even after everybody discovers the Ministry had been covering up Voldermort's return??
The only difference that I can see between Fudge and Scrimgeor is that Fudge wanted to make himself look good and Scrimgeor wants to make the Ministry look good.

Scrimgeor acknowledges that Lord Thingy is back, makes a few quick arrests and tries to get Harry to pop into the Ministry every once in a while to smile at the people and wave his little wizard's hat.

But what is Scrimgeor really doing? Not much that I can see. He was the head of the auror department for years and should have been keeping an eye on people like Lucius Malfoy and other known DE. He should have been ready to act the minute they showed they were ready to come out in the open again ... the QWC for instance.

Corruption to me means things like accepting bribes to look the other way. I believe Fudge was guilty of that sort of thing with Lucius Malfoy. I don't believe Scrimgeor is that type of person. Scrimgeor is just the kind of person that would arrest Stan Shunpike to make himself and the Ministry look good. Scrimgeor is just as corrupt as Fudge and twice as dangerous.

OK, this may mean nothing.............but when re-reading HBP, when Tonks heals Harry's nose (and Harry uses it later during Quidditch practice), the spell "Episkey" ...... the second time I read that, my mind read "is key". Some plays-on-words are obvious (Peski pixie pesternomi), this one may be nothing. The thing that popped up was "expecto patronum is key". Probably a stretch, but any other thoughts out there?

What will happen if you drop a hocruxe in lava, or somewhere where it is bound to be detroyed? Will it be destroyed or not?

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There are some spoilers but all clearly marked (also some funny stuff)

OK, this may mean nothing.............but when re-reading HBP, when Tonks heals Harry's nose (and Harry uses it later during Quidditch practice), the spell "Episkey" ...... the second time I read that, my mind read "is key". Some plays-on-words are obvious (Peski pixie pesternomi), this one may be nothing. The thing that popped up was "expecto patronum is key". Probably a stretch, but any other thoughts out there?

The only thing I have to add to this though ... is that Peski Pixie Pesternomi didn't work ... and brackium elmendo didn't really work either. You could also look at it as Epis ... (epiderma i think is something to do with skin) so ... epis key ... or the key is fixing the skin ... something like that.

What will happen if you drop a hocruxe in lava, or somewhere where it is bound to be detroyed? Will it be destroyed or not?You mean if it was returned to where it was forged? :lol:

I think anything that would destroy the object would be enough to destroy the bit of soul.

The only thing I have to add to this though ... is that Peski Pixie Pesternomi didn't work ... and brackium elmendo didn't really work either. You could also look at it as Epis ... (epiderma i think is something to do with skin) so ... epis key ... or the key is fixing the skin ... something like that.

Except Harry's nose was broken, so it had to mend bone.

Of course Lockhart's spells didn't work so well, he wasn't a very good wizard except with memory charms. Still, the play on words for Peski Pixie is pretty funny, you have to admit, and not a coincidence.

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Dumbledore saying 'Oho!' kinda through me for a loop as well. Thats a Slughorn term and it bothered me that DD said it, I expect him to say 'Alas!' or something more sophisticated than 'Oho!'



Hmmm....the truly suspicious among us will say that this slip of the tongue is what gave rise to the Slughorn-on-Polyjuice-as-Dumbledore theory that is prominent, thus allowing our favorite wizened patriarch of Potterverse to not truly be dead.



You know, I thought the same thing. Then someone posted a quote where Filch also says "Oho"......and no one could really see why Slughorn (or anyone) would have wanted to turn into Filch. Maybe we only noticed "Oho" because Slughorn said it too frequently. Not as bad as "hem, hem" though.

Uncle Vernon also uses the "oHO!" expression. I agree, definitely nor as bad as "hem, hem". Annoying, that.

Uncle Vernon also uses the "oHO!" expression. I agree, definitely nor as bad as "hem, hem". Annoying, that.

Also, Filch uses the "Oho" expression in the book as well. How likely is it that Slughorn -- or anyone -- would want to be Filch?

The only thing I have to add to this though ... is that Peski Pixie Pesternomi didn't work ... and brackium elmendo didn't really work either. You could also look at it as Epis ... (epiderma i think is something to do with skin) so ... epis key ... or the key is fixing the skin ... something like that.

I think you missed Hedwig's point on the Peski Pixie thing. Hedwig was not saying anything about the spell so much as pointing out that JKR sometimes uses wordplay.

Lockharts made up spell was basically saying "Hey Peski Pixie, don't pester me." Peski Pixie Pester No Me

Then Hedwig is saying maybe this new spell "EP is key" is some kind of hidden word play. Something with the initials E and P is key to the story.

Now, having said that, I hate to say it Hedwig, but I think that is stretching. After all, the mouth organ only ever was a mouth organ. :eyebrows:

I think you missed Hedwig's point on the Peski Pixie thing. Hedwig was not saying anything about the spell so much as pointing out that JKR sometimes uses wordplay.

Lockharts made up spell was basically saying "Hey Peski Pixie, don't pester me." Peski Pixie Pester No Me

Then Hedwig is saying maybe this new spell "EP is key" is some kind of hidden word play. Something with the initials E and P is key to the story.

Now, having said that, I hate to say it Hedwig, but I think that is stretching. After all, the mouth organ only ever was a mouth organ. :eyebrows:

I never have liked Freud....should be fraud IMO. :eyebrows:

By the way, I haven't read all 25 pages (how many posts on these threads start out this way?), but I have read several that say something about the mouth organ and why JKR called it an "enigmatic response."

From Dictionary.com
Enigma: A perplexing speech or text; a riddle.

I think she called it an enigmatic response, because if she said it sounded like a Riddle, we would have a five version thread on why DD was talking about Tom Riddle in this sentence.

By the way, I haven't read all 25 pages (how many posts on these threads start out this way?), but I have read several that say something about the mouth organ and why JKR called it an "enigmatic response."
I think she called it an enigmatic response, because if she said it sounded like a Riddle, we would have a five version thread on why DD was talking about Tom Riddle in this sentence.It was also a plot device, she had to lay the foundation before she could build up to Horcruxes.

Also, Filch uses the "Oho" expression in the book as well. How likely is it that Slughorn -- or anyone -- would want to be Filch?

Oho!!!! By jove i've got it!!! I think Oho is an UK thing.

oOkay ... an observance based on Hagrid's account of the downfall of LV.

50 years prior to year 2, LV was sixteen years old, and the Chamber was opened. At that point LV would have been approximately 56 years old.

20 years before Harry's 11th birthday ... LV starts gathering followers. 10 years later .. he's thwarted by Harry. Putting LV at about 44 years old. So when LV started getting his followers he is approx 34 years old.

LV "graduates" from Hogwarts at 17 years old. therefor ... he had about 17 years between "grad" and getting his followers, to do all his dark magic ... find all of the items he wanted to use as horcruxes ... and figure out a way to protect them. I'm wondering ... was LV a loner all that time? And if he was then how did he have those followers when he went to apply for the job with DD?

Oho!!!! By jove i've got it!!! I think Oho is an UK thing.

Maybe a UK 19th century thing, but i am a genuwine UK resident and Ive never heard anyone say "oho!" seriously. The closest I have ever come is an exaggerated, sarcastic "Ohh, really?!!"

50 years prior to year 2, LV was sixteen years old, and the Chamber was opened. At that point LV would have been approximately 56 years old.

Sorry just wanted to point out that LV would have been 66 years old, not 56. Which makes him quite an old gent in my opinion. Weird really. The "missing" years are quite intriguing tho, I don't think it is something we'll ever find out about though. I presume he was just amassing knowledge about the dark arts, and emersing himself in evil ways, picking up (and killing, i suppose) a few people along the way. He probably would have become popular with peopl "underground" quite quickly in this way. It's also mentioned that he worked in Borgin & Burkes for a while.

did anyone else think it odd that we were introduced to the "other minister" at the beginning of the book and then nothing more was mentioned of him? we learned that a select few muggles know about the wizarding world and how the war was adversely affecting the muggle leader and wizards are working as highly placed muggles. maybe it will be continued in book 7? i thought it wasa pretty significant development.

I thought it was odd too that we never went back to the "Other Minister", but in retrospect, it seems that maybe it was just a device to illustrate how penetrating and out-of-hand the war is getting, to the point where the MOM is having difficulty keeping it out and separate of the Muggle world...i'm sure it'll come up again in book 7, also, as the final showdown will probably outdo, in magnitude, everything else that has happened so far.

Maybe a UK 19th century thing, but i am a genuwine UK resident and Ive never heard anyone say "oho!" seriously. The closest I have ever come is an exaggerated, sarcastic "Ohh, really?!!"

Hmmm since i'm not British ... It was just a thought ... :)

Sorry just wanted to point out that LV would have been 66 years old, not 56. Which makes him quite an old gent in my opinion. Weird really. The "missing" years are quite intriguing tho, I don't think it is something we'll ever find out about though. I presume he was just amassing knowledge about the dark arts, and emersing himself in evil ways, picking up (and killing, i suppose) a few people along the way. He probably would have become popular with peopl "underground" quite quickly in this way. It's also mentioned that he worked in Borgin & Burkes for a while.

arrgghhh ... you're right ... i'm off by 10 years ... 66 in year two ... approx 54 when he died .. and 44 he's getting his followers ... so that gives him 27 years to get his horcruxes and protect them. But again, if he'd applied for the Dark Arts job PRIOR to getting followers ... wouldn't have stood a better chance?

Hmmm since i'm not British ... It was just a thought ... :)



arrgghhh ... you're right ... i'm off by 10 years ... 66 in year two ... approx 54 when he died .. and 44 he's getting his followers ... so that gives him 27 years to get his horcruxes and protect them. But again, if he'd applied for the Dark Arts job PRIOR to getting followers ... wouldn't have stood a better chance?
Hi I don't think that Dumbledore would ever have hired Tom Riddle . Dumbledore never ever really trusted Tom . Dumbledore has had a information network for many years, which I believe he used to keep track of the dark wizards misdeeds in the British Ilse. .I believe he told Harry that he was following Tom as closely as he could in the years after Tom got out of school, but couldn't find out very much on Voldemort/Tom's life after school. I feel because of that Dumbledore just wouldn't hire Tom .
About Voldemort's followers ,I believe it was said in one of the books, that Voldemort started collecting followers while he was still at school .I don't know when Voldemort turned his followers into Death Eaters and branded them with the dark mark ?.I don't think it ever has been said ?.
So I think Voldemort has had some of his followers for over 50 years . :huh:

How can Scrimgeor approach Harry after the funeral and taunt him for being DD man "through and through?" Did anyone else find this a bit odd? And does anyone think that Harry will go back to Grimmwauld Place to live?

How can Scrimgeor approach Harry after the funeral and taunt him for being DD man "through and through?" Did anyone else find this a bit odd? And does anyone think that Harry will go back to Grimmwauld Place to live?
It just shows how Scrimgeour cares nothing for Dumbledore, Harry, or Hogwarts personally; he approached Harry when he thought that Harry was the most vulnerable and most open to do something to "help" the wizarding world (which, in Scrimgeour's mind, was to join the Ministry).

Harry will most certainly go back to Number 12 Grimmauld Place, but I don't think it will be to live there. Dumbledore was the Secret Keeper, and he is now dead, so there is a chance that the Death Eaters will be able to find it (not to mention Bellatrix was next in line to it after Harry, so she might want it). It wouldn't be good for Harry to take that chance. Plus, in the seventh book I think Harry has to be moving around a lot, so he won't be able to stay in one place for too long--for safety and because of his search. Maybe he'll move in after everything is over, but somehow that seems unlikely.

I think that Harry has made clear that he doesn't consider Grimmauld Place a place where he would want to live. He seems to have some other choises. Sirius informed him in OotP that he had got a place of his own at the age of 17. Obviously Harry inherited that place too. And he ought to have inherited a place in Godric's Hollow which he could rebuild. He also seems to be wealthy enough to buy one.

But he seems to have more urgent things to do for book 7 than house-keeping. Maybe we will never know. :)

I think that Harry has made clear that he doesn't consider Grimmauld Place a place where he would want to live. He seems to have some other choises. Sirius informed him in OotP that he had got a place of his own at the age of 17. Obviously Harry inherited that place too. And he ought to have inherited a place in Godric's Hollow which he could rebuild. He also seems to be wealthy enough to buy one.

But he seems to have more urgent things to do for book 7 than house-keeping. Maybe we will never know. :)

LOL ... housekeeping ... that's what KREACHER is for!!!!! He can build the house ... clean it ... furnish it ... etc!!!!!

I think that Harry has made clear that he doesn't consider Grimmauld Place a place where he would want to live. He seems to have some other choises. Sirius informed him in OotP that he had got a place of his own at the age of 17. Obviously Harry inherited that place too. And he ought to have inherited a place in Godric's Hollow which he could rebuild. He also seems to be wealthy enough to buy one.

But he seems to have more urgent things to do for book 7 than house-keeping. Maybe we will never know. :)
I agree with you Harry will be too busy to worry about his houses & property situation .
Just the same it would be funny watching Harry walk into the Wizard equivalent of ReMax and try to sell/trade #12 Grimmauld for a new home !. :p

It just shows how Scrimgeour cares nothing for Dumbledore, Harry, or Hogwarts personally; he approached Harry when he thought that Harry was the most vulnerable and most open to do something to "help" the wizarding world (which, in Scrimgeour's mind, was to join the Ministry).

Harry will most certainly go back to Number 12 Grimmauld Place, but I don't think it will be to live there. Dumbledore was the Secret Keeper, and he is now dead, so there is a chance that the Death Eaters will be able to find it (not to mention Bellatrix was next in line to it after Harry, so she might want it). It wouldn't be good for Harry to take that chance. Plus, in the seventh book I think Harry has to be moving around a lot, so he won't be able to stay in one place for too long--for safety and because of his search. Maybe he'll move in after everything is over, but somehow that seems unlikely.

I agree that he won't go back to 12GP unless it's to search for clues either about how to destroy horcruxes (the library must be well stocked in a house like that ;)) or to search for the locket to determine if it's a horcrux or not ... or both.

arrgghhh ... you're right ... i'm off by 10 years ... 66 in year two ... approx 54 when he died .. and 44 he's getting his followers ... so that gives him 27 years to get his horcruxes and protect them. But again, if he'd applied for the Dark Arts job PRIOR to getting followers ... wouldn't have stood a better chance?

There's something odd about the timeline. Riddle was 18 when he left school (he was born on New Year's Eve and you have to be 11 to enter Hogwarts). If the 50 years ago in CoS - 1992/93 from Nearly Headless Nick's deathday party - is exact, Riddle was 16 at the end of his 5th year = school year 1942/43. So he was born on 31. Dec. 1926, and left school in the summer of 1945.

Then he works for an unknown number of years at Borgin and Burkes.

After he kills Hepzibah (love that name) Smith, he disappears for 10 years (according to DD). When he asks for the DADA post, he was already gathering followers. DD had just become Headmaster. We know from Lupin that this happened not long before the Marauders entered Hogwarts (it didn't look like Lupin could go to school, "but then DD became Headmaster"). That's around 1970, the beginning of Voldemort's rise to power. He was about 43 years old then.

11 years of his first reign. At the time of his 'death' he was 54. 14 years of Vapormort: he's 68 then. Making him 70 at the end of HBP.

Now, did I muddle up the numbers or is there a gap somewhere? I can't see Voldemort working at Borgin & Burkes for 15 years. :shrug:

BTW: When you say in English that someone's in his 16th year, does it mean that they are 16 or 15?

BTW: When you say in English that someone's in his 16th year, does it mean that they are 16 or 15?

16th year? I guess that would make someone 15. Like the 21st Century thing (just an easy way to remember it) -because its always one ahead.

Edit - **** just pressed enter when i didnt want to! Carrying on...

I'd actually forgotten that LV had started collecting followers in school.. but yes, Lucius Malfoy was said to have some of his (LV's) old school things (along with the diary, obviously)... do you think he might have any more of the Horcruxes? Maybe we'll get to actually go inside the Malfoy house in book7, instead of just hearing about all these raids!

About the Scrimgeour//Harry thing... he never liked DD anyway, that much is obvious, as DD was obviously still a far more capable wizard than he was.

Oh okay, I have a new Question -- Why would the Headmaster of Hogwarts be looking for LV's horcrux, shouldnt that be the job of the ministry and the trained Aurors? Does Scrimgeour know whats going on?

Oh okay, I have a new Question -- Why would the Headmaster of Hogwarts be looking for LV's horcrux, shouldnt that be the job of the ministry and the trained Aurors? Does Scrimgeour know whats going on?
The more people who know about Voldemort's Horcruxes, the greater the risk of him finding out and moving them before they can be destroyed.

Now, did I muddle up the numbers or is there a gap somewhere? I can't see Voldemort working at Borgin & Burkes for 15 years.
Rowling's mentioned many times that she's horrible at math. The people who are good at math--like you obviously--notice a lot more mistakes than the people who suck at it--like me (I have almost no clue what your whole post said, but I know you're confused about numbers). So I just wanted to say I think that it's just Rowling making another mathematical error, the poor dear.
The more people who know about Voldemort's Horcruxes, the greater the risk of him finding out and moving them before they can be destroyed.
Plus I can see Dumbledore looking at the Ministry as being incompentent. He'd probably be right. They're too busy worrying about their image to actually really do anything, the slackers.

16th year? I guess that would make someone 15. Like the 21st Century thing (just an easy way to remember it) -because its always one ahead.

Thanx, I was wondering whether it's just me and my grandmother using it that way or whether it's general usage. :)

The thing is, if Riddle went to visit the Gaunts in his sixteenth year, like DD said, then he murdered his father and grandparents before he opened the CoS. Maybe it's neither here nor there, I just thought it says a lot about Riddle, being capable of murder after 4th year.

Rowling's mentioned many times that she's horrible at math. The people who are good at math--like you obviously--notice a lot more mistakes than the people who suck at it--like me (I have almost no clue what your whole post said, but I know you're confused about numbers). So I just wanted to say I think that it's just Rowling making another mathematical error, the poor dear.

Merci beaucoup. :blush: But you underestimate the time it took me to construct that timeline. Someone good at maths would have done it in seconds. :eyebrows:

I got a feeling that our dear Jo indeed forgot about accounting for a decade or so. I'm just not sure, maybe there's some big revelation about it waiting for us.

I got a feeling that our dear Jo indeed forgot about accounting for a decade or so. I'm just not sure, maybe there's some big revelation about it waiting for us.
I wouldn't put it past her.

I don't think that the Unbreakable Vow can be Dark Magic given that George and Fred tried to make Ron to it when he was five. Even if it wouldn't have worked I wonder how two seven year olds could have found out about such Dark magic. It will be interesting to see if it plays some part in the Wedding ceremony. Till death us do part, indeed. :evil:

Hear, hear!!! LOL LOL If only the Unbreakable Vow was available at wedding ceremonies!!! We'd certainly see a lot of "deaths" rather than divorces!

I do agree with Dobby's Bludger.....the Unbreakable Vow is NOT Dark Magic, it's just very serious magic. I happen to subscribe to the theory that Dumbledore and Snape have an Unbreakable Vow regarding something--not necessarily Snape's promise to kill Dumbledore--but something significant, indeed. It'd be interesting to know if the OoTP members have taken an Unbreakable Vow to ensure loyalty to the cause? What about Death Eaters? Do/did they have to make an Unbreakable vow to LV to ensure loyalty? If neither side did in the past, perhaps that will be something they consider in Book 7 simply b/c some of the players will have their loyalties questioned (namely SNAPE!). That would be a good line of thought for us to muse....

Another question I have is about Madame Rosmerta being under the Imperius curse. Was it obvious to other readers that she was Imperi-ized?! I totally missed that until the reveal. Perhaps we did/do not know enough about Rosmerta's character and behavior to have realized that she was acting oddly. Did DD know in advance when he went out of his way to let Rosmerta know that he & Harry would not be coming in to her bar the night of the cave visit? That whole scene seemed to be contrived on DD's part, as if he anticipated some sort of response from her that we were not privy to.

I was suspicious of Tonks, though being under the Imperius curse. Her ragged appearance & odd behavior suggested more of an Imperius state rather than one of unrequited love. Thoughts?!?!

Another question I have is about Madame Rosmerta being under the Imperius curse. Was it obvious to other readers that she was Imperi-ized?! I totally missed that until the reveal. I was suspicious of Tonks, though. Her ragged appearance & odd behavior suggested more of an Imperius state rather than one of unrequited love. Thoughts?!?!I wondered why we didn't see Madam Rosmerta, and of course, now we know she was under the Imperius...

I didn't suspect Tonks of being under the Imperius, but I did wonder what was up...and never thought of unrequited love as an issue at all...of course, JK said in an interview that she intended Tonks to be a red herring---she certainly achieved it.

16th year? I guess that would make someone 15. Like the 21st Century thing (just an easy way to remember it) -because its always one ahead.

Edit - **** just pressed enter when i didnt want to! Carrying on...

I'd actually forgotten that LV had started collecting followers in school.. but yes, Lucius Malfoy was said to have some of his (LV's) old school things (along with the diary, obviously)... do you think he might have any more of the Horcruxes? Maybe we'll get to actually go inside the Malfoy house in book7, instead of just hearing about all these raids!

About the Scrimgeour//Harry thing... he never liked DD anyway, that much is obvious, as DD was obviously still a far more capable wizard than he was.

Oh okay, I have a new Question -- Why would the Headmaster of Hogwarts be looking for LV's horcrux, shouldnt that be the job of the ministry and the trained Aurors? Does Scrimgeour know whats going on?

ARGHHHH of COURSE the hidden patch under the floor in the Malfoy manor!!!! I don't think this has been brought up before!!!! WTG!!!!!

Sorry if this has already been asked, but I wondered if Aberforth was at Dumbledore's funeral. I'm sure he was, I just don't think he was ever mentioned. Also, why haven't we heard more about Aberforth, considering he was Dumbledore's brother? Just some questions I've had for awhile ...

Sorry if this has already been asked, but I wondered if Aberforth was at Dumbledore's funeral. I'm sure he was, I just don't think he was ever mentioned. Also, why haven't we heard more about Aberforth, considering he was Dumbledore's brother? Just some questions I've had for awhile ...

the bartender from the Hogs Head ... which JKR has strongly suggested is in fact Aberforth.

Sorry if this has already been asked, but I wondered if Aberforth was at Dumbledore's funeral. I'm sure he was, I just don't think he was ever mentioned. Also, why haven't we heard more about Aberforth, considering he was Dumbledore's brother? Just some questions I've had for awhile ...Aberforth was at DDs funeral...and he was mentioned, just not by name......and some people Harry merely knew by sight, such as the barman of the Hog's Head...For a complete list of when/where Aberforth is mentioned in the books and interviews, go here (http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=2809022&postcount=25).

Oh okay, I have a new Question -- Why would the Headmaster of Hogwarts be looking for LV's horcrux, shouldnt that be the job of the ministry and the trained Aurors? Does Scrimgeour know whats going on?

i certainly HOPE the ministry doesn't know about the horcruxes ... as big of bunglers as they are!!!!!

Oh okay, I have a new Question -- Why would the Headmaster of Hogwarts be looking for LV's horcrux, shouldnt that be the job of the ministry and the trained Aurors? Does Scrimgeour know whats going on?No, the Ministry doesn't know, and DD didn't want them to know...
Remember, Horcruxes are Dark Magic, and was a banned subject at Hogwarts...
DD told Harry, and only Harry. Harry's power---love---has protected him. Not just from Voldemort, but from temptation with the Dark Arts. Neither DD nor Harry would ever want to create a Horcrux, and certainly they wouldn't want the info on Horcruxes to be common knowledge. Harry, of course, trusts Ron and Hermione---but so far has told no one else about the Horcruxes...and just like always Harry's friends are going to help him, they want LV gone just as much as every one else does.

No, the Ministry doesn't know, and DD didn't want them to know...
Remember, Horcruxes are Dark Magic, and was a banned subject at Hogwarts...
DD told Harry, and only Harry. Harry's power---love---has protected him. Not just from Voldemort, but from temptation with the Dark Arts. Neither DD nor Harry would ever want to create a Horcrux, and certainly they wouldn't want the info on Horcruxes to be common knowledge. Harry, of course, trusts Ron and Hermione---but so far has told no one else about the Horcruxes...and just like always Harry's friends are going to help him, they want LV gone just as much as every one else does.

In addition to that ... I wouldn't be surprised if Scrim put the whole thing in the Daily Prophet ... "Please folks ... look at your artifacts ... make sure they don't have Voldy's soul in them!!!!!" *rolls eyes* "See folks ... we're all on top of this Voldy thing!!!!"

In addition to that ... I wouldn't be surprised if Scrim put the whole thing in the Daily Prophet ... "Please folks ... look at your artifacts ... make sure they don't have Voldy's soul in them!!!!!" *rolls eyes* "See folks ... we're all on top of this Voldy thing!!!!"
I can totally see that happening. And the next thing you know, they'd be accusing Stan Shunpike of being a horcrux.

I can totally see that happening. And the next thing you know, they'd be accusing Stan Shunpike of being a horcrux.

LOL ... or Stan Shunpike hiding a horcrux in the Knight Bus!!!!!

And after that, they'd immediately put two and two together (and make five?) and think Harry's a Horcrux. They'd hunt him down like Frankenstein's monster. Okay, maybe not like Frankenstein's monster, but they would definitely want to detain him and, do "studies."

In addition to that ... I wouldn't be surprised if Scrim put the whole thing in the Daily Prophet ... "Please folks ... look at your artifacts ... make sure they don't have Voldy's soul in them!!!!!" *rolls eyes* "See folks ... we're all on top of this Voldy thing!!!!"Even if Scrimgeour didn't do that there is a very good chance that Voldemort has spies in the MoM as he had before. It wouldn't be vise to let him know that someone was after his horcruxes.

Even if Scrimgeour didn't do that there is a very good chance that Voldemort has spies in the MoM as he had before. It wouldn't be vise to let him know that someone was after his horcruxes.

EXACTLY!!!!!

btw alastor ... what do the twirly stars under your location mean?

And after that, they'd immediately put two and two together (and make five?) and think Harry's a Horcrux. They'd hunt him down like Frankenstein's monster. Okay, maybe not like Frankenstein's monster, but they would definitely want to detain him and, do "studies."

Harry would go STRAIGHT to the department of mysteries ... and be poked and prodded .. and put in the Brain Tank!!!!

EXACTLY!!!!!

btw alastor ... what do the twirly stars under your location mean?


What are those stars? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=41542)

What are those stars? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=41542)

SANKIE so much greeney ... that has been bugging the HECK outta me:)

Interesting...does anyone remember seeing Rosmerta at the funeral? I read twice...I didn't see it...was she arrested perhaps?

Interesting...does anyone remember seeing Rosmerta at the funeral? I read twice...I didn't see it...was she arrested perhaps?
I hope not!!! But she was imperiused into putting poison into the mead and giving Katie the opal necklace. She's either in St. Mungo's being un-imperiused, or she was too ashamed of her part in Dumbledore's death (although not her fault) to go to the funeral.

Interesting...does anyone remember seeing Rosmerta at the funeral? I read twice...I didn't see it...was she arrested perhaps?

Maybe she was there and it just wasn't mentioned.

If she was under the curse...she's really innocent..but would anyone trust her again?
But why chose a patronus of a dog? or was it a werewolf?

If she was under the curse...she's really innocent..but would anyone trust her again?I don't see why not . . . either you can throw off the curse or you can't - she's really not at fault! (Barty Crouch Sr. even had a hard time with it, and he was a powerful wizard!)

Besides, she's a barkeep in Hogsmeade . . . except for Draco's 'mission' to kill DD - I can't see how putting her under Imperious again would help VMs cause . . .

If she was under the curse...she's really innocent..but would anyone trust her again?
But why chose a patronus of a dog? or was it a werewolf?

refresh my memory ... where does the patronus come in with Rosmerta?

Another question I have is about Madame Rosmerta being under the Imperius curse. Was it obvious to other readers that she was Imperi-ized?! I totally missed that until the reveal. I was suspicious of Tonks, though. Her ragged appearance & odd behavior suggested more of an Imperius state rather than one of unrequited love. Thoughts?!?!


If she was under the curse...she's really innocent..but would anyone trust her again?
But why chose a patronus of a dog? or was it a werewolf?Is the first quote what you're referring to profmcgonagal? If so, Tonks's patronus was a werewolf, though Harry suspected "Padfoot" as her patronus...nowhere does it say Rosmerta had a patronus...

As for trust, I'm sure that she can be trusted...there are a lot a people who can't throw off the Imperius Curse...Ron and Hermione can't.

I didn't see or read anything about New Prefects in HBP . Did I miss it or was it just not talked about ? :huh:

I didn't see or read anything about New Prefects in HBP . Did I miss it or was it just not talked about ? :huh:It wasn't talked about...Hermione and Ron remained Gryffindor prefects...with a mention at Malfoy as well, but that's all.

I don't think it really matters who the new prefects are ... since ... only Ginny will be going back to Hogwarts next year ... what does Harry care? lol

I don't think it really matters who the new prefects are ... since ... only Ginny will be going back to Hogwarts next year ... what does Harry care? lol
Well its just that before the 6th. book came out ,there was quite a bit of debate ,about whether or not there would be new Prefects ,and I just thought that I might have missed the answer in HBP thats all . :p

Well its just that before the 6th. book came out ,there was quite a bit of debate ,about whether or not there would be new Prefects ,and I just thought that I might have missed the answer in HBP thats all . :p
OHHH my ... I hope I didn't appear to be rude ... I didn't mean it that way at all ... but I think that originally the Prefect term was introduced with Percy ... so that we'd know what it was when Hermione and Ron became Prefects.

OHHH my ... I hope I didn't appear to be rude ... I didn't mean it that way at all ... but I think that originally the Prefect term was introduced with Percy ... so that we'd know what it was when Hermione and Ron became Prefects.
No you weren't rude. :tu:
I was just expanding on my origional post trying to give a more complete post on what I was asking ok? :huh: :p

No you weren't rude. :tu:
I was just expanding on my origional post trying to give a more complete post on what I was asking ok? :huh: :p

ahhhh i see

As for trust, I'm sure that she can be trusted...there are a lot a people who can't throw off the Imperius Curse...Ron and Hermione can't.
And the only person we saw with the ability to throw off imperius immediately was Harry. It took BC, Jr. years to do it, and nearly a year for his father to do it.

It wasn't talked about...Hermione and Ron remained Gryffindor prefects...with a mention at Malfoy as well, but that's all.
Which brings me to a question I should have asked a long time ago and has probably been answered somewhere anyway.

Percy of Gryffindor and Penelope of Ravenclaw are the only two prefects we saw at first. There was no boy and girl prefect for each house until Ron and Hermione. There was no prefect for each year (5, 6 & 7) either. I realize that all these people can't be named, just as all the students in Harry's year can be named.

My question is how does the British prefect system work? Are there separate 5th year, 6th year and 7th year prefects. In other words, would there be three prefects at the same time?

And the only person we saw with the ability to throw off imperius immediately was Harry. It took BC, Jr. years to do it, and nearly a year for his father to do it.


Which brings me to a question I should have asked a long time ago and has probably been answered somewhere anyway.

Percy of Gryffindor and Penelope of Ravenclaw are the only two prefects we saw at first. There was no boy and girl prefect for each house until Ron and Hermione. There was no prefect for each year (5, 6 & 7) either. I realize that all these people can't be named, just as all the students in Harry's year can be named.

My question is how does the British prefect system work? Are there separate 5th year, 6th year and 7th year prefects. In other words, would there be three prefects at the same time?

This was what my take on the prefect system was ... 6 prefects in each house ... fifth sixth and seventh years ... when the seventh's years leave the fifth years are the replacements for them, kind of bumbling and unsure in their prefect shoes till they've been doing it for a year, so by the time they reach their seventh year they're comfortable in disciplining people. (sidenote: i think percy was ALWAYS comfy with disciplining though)

What of the Head Boy and Girl? If they were prefects in years 5 & 6, are there prefects to replace them or do they represent the school and their house?

What happened to DD's memories in the Pensieve, when DD is dead? Are they still there or did they disappear the minute he died?
We haven't seen a Pensieve of a dead character, so I was just wondering what happens to his memories.
If they still exist, I think they might be very useful for Harry.

Your ideas?

What of the Head Boy and Girl? If they were prefects in years 5 & 6, are there prefects to replace them or do they represent the school and their house?

Course I couldn't say for sure ... but I thought in one of the books ... Percy was trying to herd kids out of the way ... and he was going "move aside move aside ... i'm HEAD BOY"
but that could be from the movie as opposed to the book, so i'm not entirely sure.

What happened to DD's memories in the Pensieve, when DD is dead? Are they still there or did they disappear the minute he died?
We haven't seen a Pensieve of a dead character, so I was just wondering what happens to his memories.
If they still exist, I think they might be very useful for Harry.

Your ideas?
I think Morfin and the house elf are dead, and their memories worked fine. Since the memories are stored externally, they do not die with the person. All thoughts kept in Dumbledore's mind at the time, however, are gone.

What happened to DD's memories in the Pensieve, when DD is dead? Are they still there or did they disappear the minute he died?
We haven't seen a Pensieve of a dead character, so I was just wondering what happens to his memories.
If they still exist, I think they might be very useful for Harry.

Your ideas?

I think Hokey, Morfin, Bob Ogden were all dead when we saw their memories in the pensieve. Once a memory is stored, it must remain.

Did Ron and Hermonie say they were leaving..what of their parents permission..they are still underage..? right? and you're right..Rosmerta was communicating with Malfoy with the coins...I reread..sorry..and was it a werewolf for Tonks...cute....yuck...that must have made Lupin nervous as he doesn't like it when he turns into a werewolf...how many people think Lupin knew of Tonk's new patronus and was repelled by the idea that she was wooing him? Do you think Dumbledore knew of the "arrangement" that Tonks had in mind? Lupin obviously didn't approve... But Mrs. Weasley was certainly sympathetic.

I think Hokey, Morfin, Bob Ogden were all dead when we saw their memories in the pensieve. Once a memory is stored, it must remain.
I am not sure now, but wasn't it Dumbledore's Pensieve in which we saw these memories?
But yes, I thought that they remain too.

Did Ron and Hermonie say they were leaving..what of their parents permission..they are still underage..? right? and you're right..Rosmerta was communicating with Malfoy with the coins...I reread..sorry..and was it a werewolf for Tonks...cute....yuck...that must have made Lupin nervous as he doesn't like it when he turns into a werewolf...how many people think Lupin knew of Tonk's new patronus and was repelled by the idea that she was wooing him? Do you think Dumbledore knew of the "arrangement" that Tonks had in mind? Lupin obviously didn't approve... But Mrs. Weasley was certainly sympathetic.Neither are underage; Hermione has been seventeen for nearly a year, and Ron turned seventeen in March.

I think Lupin knew about Tonks's patronus shift, but there's nothing canon to support this. I wouldn't say it would repel him, though it might hurt him.

I think Lupin knew about Tonks's patronus shift, but there's nothing canon to support this. I wouldn't say it would repel him, though it might hurt him.
Didn't Harry ask Lupin at Christmas if it was possible to change a patronus and he mentioned Tonk's changing..and it was a dog..and Lupin looked away or changed the subject? ..maybe I'd better reread....hum.....
Why would it hurt him? because he had unrequited love..or that someone thought enough of him to want him when no one else did...I would have thought that would be flattering...and honorable that Tonks felt enough of him to feel love for him. Mybe you meant that hurt him in the fact that he didn't feel he deserved love and had to push that feeling away from himself as undeserving and push her away too as he was a werewolf, and not a whole person like for instance, Bill, before he was bitten by Greywolf.

Didn't Harry ask Lupin at Christmas if it was possible to change a patronus and he mentioned Tonk's changing..and it was a dog..and Lupin looked away or changed the subject? ..maybe I'd better reread....hum.....
Why would it hurt him? because he had unrequited love..or that someone thought enough of him to want him when no one else did...I would have thought that would be flattering...and honorable that Tonks felt enough of him to feel love for him. Mybe you meant that hurt him in the fact that he didn't feel he deserved love and had to push that feeling away from himself as undeserving and push her away too as he was a werewolf, and not a whole person like for instance, Bill, before he was bitten by Greywolf.Ahh, that's very possible. I think I might have misspoken.

I meant hurt him in the way kindness can sometimes hurt the forlorn. It might remind him of how lonely he is, and that he has convinced himself that he can't let himself be loved, and magnify these feelings.

Sorry if this has already been asked, but the one thing that really bugged me in HBP was how, despite all the tightened security, house-elves were able to apparate. It was stressed over and over again that apparating was restricted inside hogwarts, and those restrictions were lifted for one hour in the hall when they were having their apparition lessons...

the other thing i was wondering about (possibly in another thread?) is reagrdign what purpose, exactly, were the DE's meant to serve, that fateful night at Hogwarts? Draco was the only one who was supposed to kill DD, and they weren't after Harry, so why were the DE's there? I didn't seem to me like they accomplished anything that significant.

Sorry if this has already been asked, but the one thing that really bugged me in HBP was how, despite all the tightened security, house-elves were able to apparate. It was stressed over and over again that apparating was restricted inside hogwarts, and those restrictions were lifted for one hour in the hall when they were having their apparition lessons...JKR has answered that on her website: You say that people cannot Apparate or Disapparate within Hogwarts and yet Dobby manages it, why is this?

House-elves are different from wizards; they have their own brand of magic, and the ability to appear and disappear within the castle is necessary to them if they are to go about their work unseen, as house-elves traditionally do. from here (http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=73)


the other thing i was wondering about (possibly in another thread?) is reagrdign what purpose, exactly, were the DE's meant to serve, that fateful night at Hogwarts? Draco was the only one who was supposed to kill DD, and they weren't after Harry, so why were the DE's there? I didn't seem to me like they accomplished anything that significant.Possibly they were there to serve as a diversion - they did kick up a significant fuss. Possibly Draco felt he would need some support, possibly he was instructed to cause as much mayhem at the school as possible to demonstrate LV's ability to reach even the most protected area - and to spread panic... I can think of several reasons.

Sorry if this has already been asked, but the one thing that really bugged me in HBP was how, despite all the tightened security, house-elves were able to apparate. It was stressed over and over again that apparating was restricted inside hogwarts, and those restrictions were lifted for one hour in the hall when they were having their apparition lessons...

the other thing i was wondering about (possibly in another thread?) is reagrdign what purpose, exactly, were the DE's meant to serve, that fateful night at Hogwarts? Draco was the only one who was supposed to kill DD, and they weren't after Harry, so why were the DE's there? I didn't seem to me like they accomplished anything that significant.
I allways thought, that the Death Eaters were there that night, to be witnesses to the killing. So that Draco couldn't back out at the last second or change his mind . They were Voldemorts eyes. It is also possible that they had orders to kill Draco if he failed in his task . :evil:

Can some one tell me what happened to the ring horcrux? Dumbledore wore it, later it lay in his office. When Harry recognised it had gone and asked DD where it was he said he'd tell Harry later ...and I can't remember him doing so.

Can some one tell me what happened to the ring horcrux? Dumbledore wore it, later it lay in his office. When Harry recognised it had gone and asked DD where it was he said he'd tell Harry later ...and I can't remember him doing so.DD told Harry that he'd destroyed the ring Horcrux...and that's what happened to his hand...in the "Horcruxes" chapter...what DD did with the ring, toss it, burn it, vanish it---after that bit of LVs soul was destroyed, the book doesn't specify.

DD told Harry that he'd destroyed the ring Horcrux...and that's what happened to his hand...in the "Horcruxes" chapter...what DD did with the ring, toss it, burn it, vanish it---after that bit of LVs soul was destroyed, the book doesn't specify.
He never really told Harry the fascinating tale of how he destroyed the soul fragment either. Hopefully, we'll find out all that from the portrait or Dumbledore's pensieve.

He never really told Harry the fascinating tale of how he destroyed the soul fragment either. Hopefully, we'll find out all that from the portrait or Dumbledore's pensieve.

I canna believe that we have to wait two bloody years just to hear that fascinating tale!!!! lol

Sorry if this question has been asked before... this is just such a long thread to read through...

I was wondering if Ron ever did tell his father about the secret chamber under the drawing-room floor in the Malfoy house. Although it has been mentioned that the Malfoy manor has been searched, no mention has ever been made about any secret room.

I know Ron said that he would tell his father about it in CoS, but after learning about it, they then had to deal with Hermoine and her polyjuice potion disaster. I think it is possible that he just became a bit preoccupied.

Anyway, what is the feeling out there? Does Arthur know about the Malfoys secret room or not? Surely if he did, it would have been mentioned at some point? [Sorry, this has been plaguing me through all my rereads of HBP!]

Sorry if this question has been asked before... this is just such a long thread to read through...

I was wondering if Ron ever did tell his father about the secret chamber under the drawing-room floor in the Malfoy house. Although it has been mentioned that the Malfoy manor has been searched, no mention has ever been made about any secret room.

I know Ron said that he would tell his father about it in CoS, but after learning about it, they then had to deal with Hermoine and her polyjuice potion disaster. I think it is possible that he just became a bit preoccupied.

Anyway, what is the feeling out there? Does Arthur know about the Malfoys secret room or not? Surely if he did, it would have been mentioned at some point? [Sorry, this has been plaguing me through all my rereads of HBP!]

ACtually yes ... Ron did tell his dad ... and the Malfoy Manor was searched twice ... they came up empty both times ... he must have moved the stuff out.

ACtually yes ... Ron did tell his dad ... and the Malfoy Manor was searched twice ... they came up empty both times ... he must have moved the stuff out.
I understand what you are saying, but I don't think this actually answers my question. In CoS, Harry and Ron find out about Malfoys secret chamber (the chapter titled The Polyjuice Potion) after the Malfoy mansion had been searched. Draco had this to say about it: "Luckily they didn't find much. Father's got some very valuable Dark Arts stuff. But luckily, we've got our own secret chamber under the drawing-room floor - " [UK: 167] The MoM didn't find anything when they searched the manor in CoS (before Harry and Ron learnt about the secret chambers existence). From what I can gather from that, this chamber is difficult to find. If the MoM didn't know about the chamber in HBP, I don't think it matters how often they have searched the place, they would still not have found anything of importance.

No further mention has ever been made about a secret room in the Malfoy's house. Surely even a passing comment would have been made if they had searched it? Also, surely the Malfoy manor would have been searched again in CoS if Ron had told his dad about it? I have a strong feeling that the boys forgot about the chamber, and that the MoM does not know about it.

I canna believe that we have to wait two bloody years just to hear that fascinating tale!!!! lol
Maybe we should let JKR know about all this little stuff she left out (could be an editing mistake :angel: ) so she can post it on her website for us. She probably doesn't even realize it was left out and we'd be doing her a favor, right!?! :evil: :rotfl:

I don't know if this has been asked before....

When Harry destroyed the diary horcrux, he had to fight Tom Riddle.

So, when Dumbledore destroyed the ring horcrux, did he have to fight the Voldemort that made it?

DD told Harry that he'd destroyed the ring Horcrux...and that's what happened to his hand...in the "Horcruxes" chapter...what DD did with the ring, toss it, burn it, vanish it---after that bit of LVs soul was destroyed, the book doesn't specify.
Wasn't he wearing it at the Dursley's house..and at Slughorns' house? I'm going to reread..but I could have sworn it was on the table when Harry went into his office and he noticed it..and asked Dumbledore..was that the same ring..and he said yes..very observant Harry.... :huh:

When he showed his hand to Harry, Dumbledore never said why his hand was the way it was..only that he would tell him later..which he never fully did but looking at it... I would assume...something exploded, and he had it in his hand when it did or his wand backfired that lit up his hand...something had to be close to the hand that incinerated it like an atomic blast...to crack the ring...but not distroy the ring, melt, or break it or even turn it into shards...so I would assume...it was being worn and he had to melt his hand..because like the blood...something had to be given...a token...and that is what Dumbledore learned about the Horicrux's ..something had to be given..blood, skin, some body part to get this...in Ginny's case..it was her life for the life of the book...she almost died to give Voldermort a spirit or soul..or body...so he's.."Voldermort" is demanding a piece of body..like he got from Harry in the cemetary to get back a body...a piece of bone...curious...I wonder what else he's going to want....for the snake?

Wasn't he wearing it at the Dursley's house..and at Slughorns' house? I'm going to reread..but I could have sworn it was on the table when Harry went into his office and he noticed it..and asked Dumbledore..was that the same ring..and he said yes..very observant Harry.... :huh:

When he showed his hand to Harry, Dumbledore never said why his hand was the way it was..only that he would tell him later..which he never fully did but looking at it... I would assume...something exploded, and he had it in his hand when it did or his wand backfired that lit up his hand...something had to be close to the hand that incinerated it like an atomic blast...to crack the ring...but not distroy the ring, melt, or break it or even turn it into shards...so I would assume...it was being worn and he had to melt his hand..because like the blood...something had to be given...a token...and that is what Dumbledore learned about the Horicrux's ..something had to be given..blood, skin, some body part to get this...in Ginny's case..it was her life for the life of the book...she almost died to give Voldermort a spirit or soul..or body...so he's.."Voldermort" is demanding a piece of body..like he got from Harry in the cemetary to get back a body...a piece of bone...curious...I wonder what else he's going to want....for the snake?

I like your idea of giving something to V in return for the piece of soul. It is very interesting. I wonder what he will take for the remaining horcruxes? Will he make Harry sacrifice himself do you think? Or was this just a by-product of a very powerful curse?

I like your idea of giving something to V in return for the piece of soul. It is very interesting. I wonder what he will take for the remaining horcruxes? Will he make Harry sacrifice himself do you think? Or was this just a by-product of a very powerful curse?

When the Taj Mahal was built the Mogal king had all the hands cut off of all the workers so that they could not build another structure such as the one he had built for his wife...is it possible that he had intentions of getting even for his mother's death that he's after all the muggles and ministry for not taking care of him better in childhood and looking after his mother. He certainly had no love for the only relative that didn't even know of his existence from the looks of the pensive's memories of Voldermort's Uncle. His care of making sure he was committed to Askerban for the murder of his father and grandparents show his ruthlessness and eagerness for revenge. He's so full of hate and revenge that he could be setting himself up to make his mom a Goddess or Idol for his focus for his path of destruction. To want to do all of this for no real purpose seems strange when he was so bent to find out his roots and get revenge for being put in an orphanage. Would he have killed his mother if she had lived and not taken care of him. He was angry that she had died and not lived for him. So it stands to reason he wants everyone gone who might have been responsible for his being alone in the world. He just lets people .."death - eaters" think he loves them and needs them so he get 's what he wants. :huh:

I have a question that isn't really related to HBP, but to DD.
In the philosopher´s stone and CoS it seemed as DD could see through the invisibility cloak (if you can remember the scene in Hagrid´s house in CoS for instance, DD looked right at Harry and Ron). How is that possible? Does anyone think it has anything to do with ligamense (is it spelled right?)? Then why can't Snape see Harry through the cloak?

Isn't it weired or is it just me? Anyone care to post their thoughts on the matter?

When Harry destroyed the diary horcrux, he had to fight Tom Riddle.

So, when Dumbledore destroyed the ring horcrux, did he have to fight the Voldemort that made it?I don't think so. I think if he'd known about the diary housing a bit of LV's soul, he would have been able to destroy it without ever meeting Diary-Riddle. He had to meet Riddle to find out how he was possessing Ginny and where his power was coming from.
In the philosopher´s stone and CoS it seemed as DD could see through the invisibility cloak (if you can remember the scene in Hagrid´s house in CoS for instance, DD looked right at Harry and Ron). How is that possible? Does anyone think it has anything to do with ligamense (is it spelled right?)? Then why can't Snape see Harry through the cloak?That could be. Snape's a very good Occlumens, but maybe he's only an average Legilimens. If that's how Dumbledore was seeing through the cloak, maybe he's just better at Legiliemency than Snape.

I have a question that isn't really related to HBP, but to DD.
In the philosopher´s stone and CoS it seemed as DD could see through the invisibility cloak (if you can remember the scene in Hagrid´s house in CoS for instance, DD looked right at Harry and Ron). How is that possible? Does anyone think it has anything to do with ligamense (is it spelled right?)? Then why can't Snape see Harry through the cloak?

Isn't it weired or is it just me? Anyone care to post their thoughts on the matter?Just an idea, but in HBP DD feels the magic. Maybe he could sense Harry too, without really seeing him.

Just an idea, but in HBP DD feels the magic. Maybe he could sense Harry too, without really seeing him.

I agree Murzim. In the cave, twice, when DD found the opening to the inner cave and when he found the chain for the rowboat. So I do think that has something to do with it, and also maybe because he doesn't need a cloak to become invisible (PS/SS) and with the experience of someone 150+, DD can actually "sense" magical "vibrations". This would not be hard for me to believe of DD.

Just an idea, but in HBP DD feels the magic. Maybe he could sense Harry too, without really seeing him.

Yeah, that's a good idea. I think one of the most interesting quotes from HBP was right before they went into the chamber thingy and Harry thinks "bangs and smoke were more often the marks of ineptitude than expertise", that sums up DD vs LV perfectly for me.. the Dark Mark, anyone?

I don't get how someone could be an amazing occulumens but an average legilimens, i always thought they came as a package. how did harry see SWM? was that legilimency? or was that because Snape wasnt occulumency-ing? oh pants, ive just confused myself.. :blush: which is which again?

I don't get how someone could be an amazing occulumens but an average legilimens, i always thought they came as a package. how did harry see SWM? was that legilimency? or was that because Snape wasnt occulumency-ing? oh pants, ive just confused myself.. which is which again?That would be the Pensieve, not any particular skill on Harry's part except his skill at getting himself into trouble. Occlumency and Legilimency seem to be related. Snape is skilled at both.

That would be the Pensieve, not any particular skill on Harry's part except his skill at getting himself into trouble.

Oh yeah! ha. sorry.

I don't get how someone could be an amazing occulumens but an average legilimens, i always thought they came as a package. how did harry see SWM? was that legilimency? or was that because Snape wasnt occulumency-ing? oh pants, ive just confused myself.. :blush: which is which again?Could you have be thinking of the time Harry saw Snape's memory of his father shouting at his mother? In that instance, Harry cast the shield charm and it somehow reflected Snape's Legilimens, allowing Harry to see Snape's thoughts instead of the other way around.

I don't get how someone could be an amazing occulumens but an average legilimens, i always thought they came as a package. how did harry see SWM? was that legilimency? or was that because Snape wasnt occulumency-ing? oh pants, ive just confused myself.. which is which again?
That would be the Pensieve, not any particular skill on Harry's part except his skill at getting himself into trouble. Occlumency and Legilimency seem to be related. Snape is skilled at both.

but you're right weluvtham00n Harry did went into Snape mind, that's were he sees Snape's father beating him or his mother i think?
This was a result of Harry using a Shield Charm, one that snape didn't expect!!! but I don't think this had anything to do with Harry's Legilimence/Occlumence skills, it's more like snape's charm rebounding on the shield charm...

I don't think Harry cares to learn those skills, meaning, in the end, that he wont...

EDIT: zingara you beat me to it :rotfl: !!

I didn't see or read anything about New Prefects in HBP . Did I miss it or was it just not talked about ? :huh:

Yes, why didn't Ginny become a Prefect?

I didn't see or read anything about New Prefects in HBP . Did I miss it or was it just not talked about ?

Yes, why didn't Ginny become a Prefect?

I think that other than Percy, which was just to prove how anoying he can be, we havn't heard anything about prefects except for Harry's year...

I think that Ginny was more in the Fred/George path, so she wouldn't be prefect material, I know she is very bright but come on... bat bogey hex inside the hogwarts express? just to avoid a couple of questions? she definittely wasn't made prefect so there was no reason to bring the subject into the book!!!

Hi! Did anyone find Bob Ogden's name really familiar? Have we heard the name Ogden before? It's not important but it has been bugging me.

Could you might be thinking of the time Harry saw Snape's memory of his father shouting at his mother? In that instance, Harry cast the shield charm and it somehow reflected Snape's Legilimens, allowing Harry to see Snape's thoughts instead of the other way around.
but you're right weluvtham00n Harry did went into Snape mind, that's were he sees Snape's father beating him or his mother i think?
This was a result of Harry using a Shield Charm, one that snape didn't expect!!! but I don't think this had anything to do with Harry's Legilimence/Occlumence skills, it's more like snape's charm rebounding on the shield charm...

Lol! I'm so glad you guys are here to cover up my foolishness. Of COURSE thats what i meant... :rolleyes: So that wasnt Harry being clever then, really? Shame.

Hi! Did anyone find Bob Ogden's name really familiar? Have we heard the name Ogden before? It's not important but it has been bugging me.

Hmm, no I haven't heard the name before. We have heard "Ogg" before -- old gamekeeper -- but I can't remember any other instances. Obviously tho, as proved above, my memory skills aren't the greatest.. :)

Hi! Did anyone find Bob Ogden's name really familiar? Have we heard the name Ogden before? It's not important but it has been bugging me.
I think it was something like Old Ogden's Firewhiskey. It might have been what Rita Skeeter was drinking when she was with Harry, Luna and Hermione.

Hi! Did anyone find Bob Ogden's name really familiar? Have we heard the name Ogden before? It's not important but it has been bugging me.
I think it's the name of a popular fire whisky.

It was also a member of the wizengamot loyal to dumbledore: here are some quotes:

Wizengamot elders Griselda Marchbanks and Tiberius Ogden have resigned in protest at the introduction of the post of Inquisitor to Hogwarts.

I heard, from my dear friend Tiberius Ogden, that you can produce a Patronus? For a bonus point… ?

When they were all crammed into the tiny kitchen, and Hermione had made Mrs. Weasley a cup of very strong tea, into which Mr. Weasley insisted on pouring a shot of Ogdens Old Firewhiskey, Bill handed his father the newspaper. Mr. Weasley scanned the front page while Percy looked over his shoulder.

Thanks everyone! :tu:

Now is time for me to make a quesiton....

The clock that Harry sees at the Burrow the first time (CoS) it is not the same clock that shows the Weasleys in Mortal Peril, right? So Molly has a couple of clocks one tuned just to her and her activities, and the other one tuned to the entire family's location?

The clock that Harry sees at the Burrow the first time (CoS) it is not the same clock that shows the Weasleys in Mortal Peril, right? So Molly has a couple of clocks one tuned just to her and her activities, and the other one tuned to the entire family's location?:agree: That's right! I think one's in the kitchen and the other in the living room, although she later takes to carrying it around with her.

This may have been answered. I have gone to the thread that deals with this, but because my question links up with HBP, I will ask it here:

In GoF, LV says that there are 3 Death Eaters missing:
traitor, a coward, and a loyal servant

From reading GoF, Crouch is the loyal servant, but my question is: who is the coward and who is the traitor?

I placed Snape as being the coward and Karkaroff as being the traitor

Karkaroff tells all to the committee when they want names and ends up dead.

Snape is the coward as he gave LV part of the prophecy which back fired sending history into the making. Which is which?

From reading GoF, Crouch is the loyal servant, but my question is: who is the coward and who is the traitor?

I placed Snape as being the coward and Karkaroff as being the traitor

Karkaroff tells all to the committee when they want names and ends up dead.

Snape is the coward as he gave LV part of the prophecy which back fired sending history into the making. Which is which?Snape is the one Voldemort thinks is a traitor. He goes back at the end of GoF and convinces Voldemort that he has always been loyal. He says this to Bellatrix and Narcissa in HBP ch.2. Karkaroff is the coward who sold out all his old friends and then fled. Snape the highly successful double agent is anything but cowardly!

It would be interesting if Snape was the coward.. in lue of the whole "DONT CALL ME A COWARD" thing. But I think anabel is right in saying that he would be seen - at that point - as the traitor. Karkaroff doing a runner puts him in an ideal position for coward...could be seen either way I suppose.

Separately - does anyone have any ideas as to why Zonko's closed? Just because of the competition from WWW? Doesn't seem right. Zonko's had been around for ages, loads of customers who already knew about it... I don't get it. How could there be a market for WWW and not for Z's??

:agree: That's right! I think one's in the kitchen and the other in the living room, although she later takes to carrying it around with her.
I thought the one with Mortal Peril was in the movie. Was it in a book before HBP?

It's in chapter 10 of GoF. Page 151 in the US Hardcover. It's right after they get back from the Quidditch World Cup.

Tara,

I have no idea who River Tam is, but I have to tell you that picture in your sig is seriously freaking me out.

I believe she probably could kill me with her brain

Snape is the one Voldemort thinks is a traitor. He goes back at the end of GoF and convinces Voldemort that he has always been loyal. He says this to Bellatrix and Narcissa in HBP ch.2. Karkaroff is the coward who sold out all his old friends and then fled. Snape the highly successful double agent is anything but cowardly!
Any chance that Snape knew all along that he needed to get Voldermort to get to Harry so he would loose one of his souls by getting him involved with Harry..maybe Dumbledore went into the future and played out the different scenarios already and found this one to be the best and used that same scenario to die in the ending of book 6 only to come back to the past to play again?

Any chance that Snape knew all along that he needed to get Voldermort to get to Harry so he would loose one of his souls by getting him involved with Harry..maybe Dumbledore went into the future and played out the different scenarios already and found this one to be the best and used that same scenario to die in the ending of book 6 only to come back to the past to play again?Oh, it's clearly too late for me, because I did not follow that at all. But I like the sound of it anyway! You mean you think the Dumbledore who died in HBP could have been a future version who came back in time?Tara,

I have no idea who River Tam is, but I have to tell you that picture in your sig is seriously freaking me out.

I believe she probably could kill me with her brain:lol: Well, click the link at the bottom and find out! She's a character from a really incredible movie that's coming out next month. And I'm not obsessed with it, really...

Oh, it's clearly too late for me, because I did not follow that at all. But I like the sound of it anyway! You mean you think the Dumbledore who died in HBP could have been a future version who came back in time?:lol: .

Absolutely...but I was surprised at how many times Dumbledore kept mentioning how clever he was over other wizzards..clearly a sign of some ego..and when that is taken for granted...people generally mess up...they begin to take things for granted and stop double checking exits and pull overs on the highway before they get into traffic jams...same as in ego's...maybe he really did mess up this time.... :huh:

I do believe DD and Mad Eye can see through Invisibility cloak's for sure...don't you?

It would be interesting if Snape was the coward.. in lue of the whole "DONT CALL ME A COWARD" thing. But I think anabel is right in saying that he would be seen - at that point - as the traitor. Karkaroff doing a runner puts him in an ideal position for coward...could be seen either way I suppose.

Separately - does anyone have any ideas as to why Zonko's closed? Just because of the competition from WWW? Doesn't seem right. Zonko's had been around for ages, loads of customers who already knew about it... I don't get it. How could there be a market for WWW and not for Z's??
In answer to your second Question . I think that Zonko's closing had more to do with the owners not wanting to cross Voldemort . I feel they have gone into hiding or out of the country . After what has happened to Olivanders and Fortescue's I think a lot of shop owners who could afford it would close and leave town . The owners of Zonko's must be rich enough to go out of town ,after all those years of great sales from all the students must have given them enough money to take off and hide . :huh: :tu:

The quote is on Page 278. "Very astute, Harry, but the mouth organ was only ever a mouth organ."

"And on that enigmatic note, he waved to Harry, who understood himself to be dismissed?"

That's the part I don't understand. How does "enigmatic" fit in. Is Dumbledore hiding something that I missed after that?


He means the mouth organ was NOT a Horcrux...implying perhaps that either the thimble or the yo-yo were....

Another thing that has been bugging me... that Rupert slip. Was it a mistake or was Slughorn getting the name wrong. And why would she use Rupert it was all I could think about for pages...


She said it was him getting the name wrong...why Rupert indeed?

But either Flitwick or Binns gets everyone's name wrong too.

My question is ... WHEN did Malfoy (draco or otherwise) get the Hand of Glory..

He got it in COS when Harry went too far on the Floo Powder and came out in Knockturn Alley.

In the movie Harry stuck his hand in it.


Does anyone else think that the 'Madam Pince' that Harry and Hermione talk to in the library was actually Draco on Polyjuice Potion?



yes - I thought so too.

The timing might be a little tight even for the Polyjuice Potion... The real question should be why did Slughorn have these potions premade as a demo.... What use was Slughorn putting these potions to before he got his teaching commission? What possible "mission" would require the tranquilizer, the disguise, and a little extra luck to boot? He was on the run from the Death Eaters, after all...


And Love - he also needed AMORTENSIA

Just to add to the images of Peverell coats of arms, I found two more, as well as a Peavey one, with Peavey being the name from which Peverell was derived.

The phrase "Deo Non Fortuna," which appears on each of these images, means "through God, not luck."

Oh my goodness - Peeves - the poltergeist????