What do you reckon Snape's Boggart and Patronus would be?

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mao
July 20th, 2005, 3:39 am
Jo has stated that she couldn't tell us what Snape's Patronus and Boggart would be, because it would give too much away. Now we have read HBP, what do you think they are if either our snape-is-a-traitor or snape-is-still-good-theory are correct? Or do you think we will only be able to guess after book 7? Ok, I hope this thread doesn't already exist?

Desi_the_Ditz
July 20th, 2005, 3:55 am
I think Snapes Patronus would be a snake or something to that effect cause of Slytherin and him being with Voldemort and his Boggart would probably be "Pure Love" or "Truth" cause he is a deciever. (I know those are weird answers.)

Inkwolf
July 20th, 2005, 4:00 am
I think she won't tell us Snape's patronus for a plot reason. The Order uses Patronuses to carry messages, right? In Book 7, maybe Harry will be recieving Order messages from various unfamiliar patronuses...or he may see someone else recieving these messages.

If we saw, say, a bat-winged hedgehog give McGonagall a message, and knew that Snape had a bat-winged hedgehog patronus...well, plot point given away, right? :p

Potterrettop
July 20th, 2005, 4:07 am
Interesting idea formed in my head when reading this post.

Nagini is Voldy's patronus

MamaJ
July 20th, 2005, 4:12 am
I have no idea what his boggart would be, but I think his patronus may be a bat. Throughout the books, his features are compared to a bat. I think Jo is giving us a big clue there.

Kerfuffle
July 20th, 2005, 4:14 am
His boggart would be his abusive father, his patronus/animagus would be something oily... Maybe a gross cat or something.

mao
July 20th, 2005, 4:18 am
but its supposed to be very important what his patronus is.
And, sorry, I must have missed it. Where do we know that a Patronus and the animagus pet are the same?

Inkwolf
July 20th, 2005, 4:24 am
Maybe his patronus is Dumbledore. :p That would give away everything, wouldn't it?

DA_Potter
July 20th, 2005, 4:26 am
you mean his boggart?

Thats a tough one, hard to say what snape fears. Maybe trust.

mao
July 20th, 2005, 4:28 am
i cant imagine him earing anything, actually. he is so inhuman. maybe also death like voldemort?

Sasori
July 20th, 2005, 4:29 am
Maybe his patronus is Dumbledore. :p That would give away everything, wouldn't it?

Heh, that'd be really interesting.:D

Honestly, I don't really know what Snape's Patronus would be, but I hope it's something noble and 'cool' :D

As for his boggart, maybe it'd turn into Voldemort. Yeah, it's kind of corny and overused, but Voldemort's the only thing that really comes to mind, unless he's more afraid of being publicly humiliated...

Ignatia
July 20th, 2005, 4:35 am
Snape's Worst Memory was of childish taunts and hazing. I wonder if Snape's boggart would be James Potter.

Tonic
July 20th, 2005, 4:35 am
His boggart could be James Potter....it would explain a lot since James was the catalyst in Snapes worst memory. His patronus could be anything, I mean it could be a dark animal like a bat but he did use them to communicate with other members of the order so maybe not something sooo dark.

Wow Ignatia...our posts were at the same time lol

Inkwolf
July 20th, 2005, 4:38 am
Being on Snape's side...I believe that the evidence of HBP so far indicates that his greatest fear is himself, and the damage he may do with his Dark Arts.

That's why he was so angry with Harry calling him a coward--Snape had just lived his greatest fear, killing his friend Dumbledore (by Dumbledore's own orders) with an unforgiveable curse.

That may also be why his worst memory was worst...the shame that he actually used Sectusempra against someone.

dr_hermione
July 20th, 2005, 4:38 am
My theory:

Boggart: Lily dead (just like Molly)

Patronus: Bat

ericaboodle
July 20th, 2005, 4:44 am
Snape's Worst Memory was of childish taunts and hazing. I wonder if Snape's boggart would be James Potter.

I thought something like this as well. Perhaps something to do with the Potters, or Lily.

Something more than adolescent taunting must have occurred, for their enmity to be so strong that Snape seems to feel nothing but hatred for Harry.

Actually, having said that, I don't think his boggart would be James. Afterall, a boggart is the worst fear, and I don't think Snape feared James so much as loathed him. Perhaps a dead Lily Potter, if there indeed was back story to that.

Then again, that "fear" has already been actualised. Can it still be a boggart?

TravDogg
July 20th, 2005, 5:07 am
Speaking of boggarts and Snape, we now realize that it was wise for Neville's worst fear to be Snape in PoA. It would be interesting to see Neville deul Snape in book 7. Perhaps Snape's worst fear is to wear Neville's grandmother's clothes :lol:. Actually, that would go along with the idea that Snape's greatest fear is public humiliation.

As for Snape's patronus, maybe a chameleon, always changing colors in order to remain safe. The bat idea is not bad either. I'm gonna keep thinking about this.

FredtheMan
July 20th, 2005, 5:14 am
Snape's patronus is a spider.
His boggart is himself cowering in fear.

alas_ear_wax
July 20th, 2005, 5:20 am
Snape's Boggart could well be a crowd of people with James, Sirius, Lupin, and Harry in the front row all calling him a COWARD!!!! :elaugh:

That'd be pretty entertaining....

As far as a Patronus goes, I suppose a bat would be the most logical. I mean, all those "overgrown bat" references have to build up to something?!

zingara
July 20th, 2005, 5:26 am
I think Snape's patronus is something unexpected ... something majestic. I wonder if it could possibly be a phoenix, like Dumbledore's.

As for his boggart ... that's tricky. Maybe it will take the form of a dead Harry (I'm absolutely on the Snape=good bandwagon) ... I mean, think of what Harry's death would mean to Snape: a lifetime of servitude, beneath a man who stands as the epitome of evil.

StealthNinja
July 20th, 2005, 5:29 am
LV could be the boggart, bcos all Death EWaters fear LV

Tonic
July 20th, 2005, 5:30 am
Well I can also see Snapes Boggart being his father...even though he was a muggle.

iluvhhr
July 20th, 2005, 5:35 am
If I were Harry, then I would say that Snape's Patronus is a weasel. But I can't really guess what the Patronus would be.

I can imagine Snape's boggart being Voldemort or his father.

BBB515o
July 20th, 2005, 5:36 am
His Bogart would be Harry for sure (yeah thats right Snapes an evil little coward).
And as for his Patronus i'd have to say it would be a Pygmy Puff because thats all he could handle. :rotfl:

OZMAOFOZ
July 20th, 2005, 6:06 am
I agree that his bogart would be something related to James.. or James himself, which would explain his constant ridiculing of Harry... Seeing Harry would be like seeing James (his worst fear) all the time.

what if he was secretly in love wit Lilly, and his patronus was related to lilly some how?

zingara
July 20th, 2005, 6:07 am
what if he was secretly in love wit Lilly, and his patronus was related to lilly some how?I was thinking the same, but couldn't think of what Lily's patronus could possibly be.

alphega1983
July 20th, 2005, 6:16 am
In the movie prisoner of Azkaban, it shows Snape looking very fearful of Lupin as a werewolf, so it's possible his bogart could be a werewolf.

Prosperine
July 20th, 2005, 6:26 am
I would guess that Snape's bogart would be something similar to Molly's in OotP- possibly a series of people dead, all representing his being forced to remain bound to Voldemort- Harry, Dumbledore, Lily, James... I can see them all being a part of his worst fear, if you believe (like me) that Snape was ordered by Dumbledore to kill the headmaster.

As for his patronus, I wonder if he would be capable of casting one. There has to be a truly happy memory for the caster, which I remember discussing if Voldemort could cast one, or if he even needed one, a very long time ago. Snape may not have enough true happiness in him to cast the Patronus charm.

ChelleC
July 20th, 2005, 6:30 am
Snape's boggart also could be him killing Dumbledore. That's something that would have definitely given away the plot.

As for his patronus, it's cliched, but I think it's a snake.

ravclawprefec
July 20th, 2005, 6:37 am
Well, I used to think his boggart would be Dumbledore being dead, because I thought that without Dumbledore around no one would let him in the order or believe he was on the good side. Dumbledore was the only person who really believed in him. Oh, my old theories! How I wish they hadn't suffered such a cruel death.
Anyway, I now am guessing that his boggart is himself (I think this is true whether he is in the order, a death eater, or just out for himself). As for his patronus, I agree that the reason we haven't seen it yet is that it will bring a message to someone. Maybe it is a vulture. It would kind of match his physical characteristics and there is a (very slight) possibility that there was some foreshadowing when he was wearing Neville's grandmother's hat.

Athinker
July 20th, 2005, 6:39 am
his potronus would maybe be a bat...maybe then a silver dagger for a boggart...hmm

MsSnape
July 20th, 2005, 6:43 am
Snape's Patronus.. Hmmm... I don't know Judas, Brutus, Benedict Arnold?

Sorry I'm a bit bitter

Hermione Snape
July 20th, 2005, 2:52 pm
Before I would have said Snape's Patronus would be Lily but now I am bit too skeptical on that one, but I definitely think his boggart is his father mostly because we now know his father was a muggle and he was ashamed of that side of him.

claret101
July 20th, 2005, 2:59 pm
I think the suggestion that his boggart is his father is a good one. Maybe his father yelling at him, humiliating him - in the same way the Marauders did - would be likely. The way his father was treating his mother, maybe his father hated magic. Imagine if he was like Vernon and he'd found out after he was married that his wife was a witch. What if she always hid it and it was only when strange things started happening when Snape was a child that he found out? And then he treated his mother like that and Snape would feel it was his fault.

We know his father was abusive, it must have been awful not being able to protect her. I wonder what happened with them. I mean, do you think Snape would have let that continue once he was at Hogwarts and knew how to defend himself? Sectumsempra seemed like a just punishment for his father, from the little we saw. I suppose that might have gotten him arrested or expelled though. Maybe he did some smaller magic to drive him away?

As I believe Snape is on our side, maybe his boggart would be Harry dead, which would leave Voldemort free to rule the world and mean everything Snape had done, like killing DD, was for nothing.

edina_monsoon
July 20th, 2005, 3:00 pm
I think that Snape's boggart might be Voldemort. I have a suspicion that anyone who "supports" Voldemort has him as the thing they are most afraid of.

Perhaps his patronus would be... I like the bat idea. Or maybe an eel (they're slimy)...

abtibbet
July 20th, 2005, 3:11 pm
Being on Snape's side...I believe that the evidence of HBP so far indicates that his greatest fear is himself, and the damage he may do with his Dark Arts.

That's why he was so angry with Harry calling him a coward--Snape had just lived his greatest fear, killing his friend Dumbledore (by Dumbledore's own orders) with an unforgiveable curse.

That may also be why his worst memory was worst...the shame that he actually used Sectusempra against someone.

I agree with this. :tu: I also think Snape's patronus could be a bat.

mao
July 20th, 2005, 3:18 pm
have you too always wondered how the boggart looks if the person is most afraid of, well, a boggart?

Okay, that wasnt the topic. I think the idea of himself as his boggart very cool! but maybe it is really Harry dead. That would give away the plot, as Jo said it would. Mhm, but the orderpeople KNOW his patronus so this one cant be as important as the boggart, so i think the boggart beholds the secret. Dumbly or Harry dead, thats a good one!

dantares
July 20th, 2005, 3:23 pm
Snape's boggrat - His Dad or James/Sirius. Didn't you all realise that his dad is an abuser and he was constantly being made fun by these two people. It causes great emotiona distress to poor Snape and made him the way he is now.

Snape's patronus - Most properly a bat.. I do agree with that.

Kaylin
July 20th, 2005, 3:34 pm
Wouldn't it be funny if Snape's boggart is Harry and I agree that his Patronus is a bat because of the clues.

Inkwolf
July 20th, 2005, 3:39 pm
Severus Snape is about 40 years old. That's a bit late to still be scared of your daddy...

I think that if Snape's Patronus is not a phoenix, then it will be something that looks and acts scary and dangerous, but isn't really.

The hog snake comes to mind. When it's threatened, it behaves like a rattlesnake...but it isn't actually poisonous, and will run or play dead if its bluff is called. :p

folly54
July 20th, 2005, 10:50 pm
i think that snapes boggart has something to do with lily potter

Malkavian
July 20th, 2005, 11:04 pm
Severus Snape is about 40 years old. That's a bit late to still be scared of your daddy...

Do you have any idea of the emotional damage growing up in a household like that can do?

I think that Snape's boggart is either his father or James, ridiculing him.

As for his patronus, much of the evidence in the books points to a bat. I could also be a snake or a wolf.

Inkwolf
July 20th, 2005, 11:22 pm
Yeah, but he's 40. He can kick his dad's butt, and probably already has. :p

papos_rane
July 21st, 2005, 12:42 am
Being on Snape's side...I believe that the evidence of HBP so far indicates that his greatest fear is himself, and the damage he may do with his Dark Arts.

That's why he was so angry with Harry calling him a coward--Snape had just lived his greatest fear, killing his friend Dumbledore (by Dumbledore's own orders) with an unforgiveable curse.

That may also be why his worst memory was worst...the shame that he actually used Sectusempra against someone.

!!! i never thought of that before...was the secrumsempra? didnt it hit James in the face though?
i think his patronous is a bat
and boggart would be Lupin,Sirius,and James yelling SNIFFELUS or harry yelling COWARD

xmyth
July 21st, 2005, 12:57 am
ever since book 1 i've wanted Snape to be good, for him and Harry to have a relationship like Harry and Sirius came to have. i still think that there will be a moment like that, however brief since i think Snape will die for harry.

that being said, i like the idea that Snape's boggart is a dead Harry.

his patronus, i also agree, will have something to do with lily. remember that her eyes being green are very important to the story. that's got to tie in somehow, and i'm guessing it's with the Snape/Harry relationship.

Inkwolf
July 21st, 2005, 12:59 am
I think Harry having Lily's eyes have already had their importance...it's how Harry got the memory from Sluggo.

xmyth
July 21st, 2005, 1:01 am
nah there's some other link, count on it

Felix_Wood
July 21st, 2005, 1:04 am
I think that someone else mentioned this, and props to whoever it was, but I agree that Snape's boggart is a dead Lily Potter. Much like Mrs. Weasley's boggart is all her family member's dead (except for Ginny and Charlie, oddly enough). Also, this would explain so much, because revealing that Snape's greatest fear/worst memory is how he indirectly led to the death of Lily Potter, it follows logically that he is truly on Dumbledore's side for sure and that he is seeking revenge on Voldemort and knows the only way to do this is by helping Harry destroy the horcruxes and perhaps even sacrificing his life for Harry as well.

As for his patronus, I think it would be awesome if his patronus were indeed Dumbledore, but I don't necessarily think that's the case. Maybe Harry? Maybe (if it has to be an animal) a phoenix or a stag or something. If it's supposed to give something away, then I don't see how it's being a spider or bat or snake would mean anything.

Inkwolf
July 21st, 2005, 1:12 am
If it's supposed to give something away, then I don't see how it's being a spider or bat or snake would mean anything.

Well, if JKR tells us it's a spider, and a spider patronus shows up with a mysterious, anonymous message for Harry, we'd know exactly who sent it, wouldn't we? ;)

Sirius_Bakk
July 21st, 2005, 1:16 am
Boggart -> Mirror. After killing dumbledore i can't think snape will be able again to see him in a mirror. I don't think he's in our side after book 6.. even thought i can't give an explication to his discussion with dumbledore in the middle of the book. Maybe he was only act as usual.. to seem more trustable in his role..

Patronus -> A bat. There are a lot of clue for this.

Inkwolf
July 21st, 2005, 1:19 am
I should qualify what I said about it's being a phoenix.

I think it MAY have originally been a bat. (It does seem the most fitting, spinners aside.)

I think it may have been changed to a phoenix by the emotional turmoil of leaving the DE's or killing Dumbledore.

Koratnia
July 21st, 2005, 1:22 am
I did not read the entire thread, (and I therefore apoligize profoundly if this idea has already been stated in a previous post,) but what if Mr. Snape's boggart is himself killing Dumbledore? I mean, it might be a little far-fetched, considering what severity he portrayed in his moments previous to and after murdering Dumbledore.

This is my first post, I am so happy!

OH, and one more detail. I just found a little irony in the fact that the moment that Dumbledore could no longer correct Harry for saying Snape, over Professor Snape, (IE. The moment he died), Mr. Snape could no longer be considered a Professor at Hogwarts. Funny, isn't it? :p

Oh, and, in the meanwhile, I have placed a picture of Mr. Snape for you to throw darts at, or simply contemplate the subject's intentions when he killed our most beloved 150 year old wizard.

<img src=http://ewancient.lysator.liu.se/pic/fanq/a/n/anikakerstin/sev_head_sketch.jpg border=1>

I am truly sorry. This type of forum is new to me :huh:

Here is my second attempt at the picture:

http://ewancient.lysator.liu.se/pic/fanq/a/n/anikakerstin/sev_head_sketch.jpg

Inkwolf
July 21st, 2005, 1:37 am
I suggested something like that. :p

Did you draw that Snape? Most excellent! If it is your own work, you ought to post it in Magical Masterpieces. (No spoilers allowed in that part of the forum, though, so be careful!)

A_Dumbledore
July 21st, 2005, 1:48 am
I would think that Snape's boggart would take the form of Voldermort, I'm sure that all Death Eaters are truly terrified of their 'master' I have no idea what his patronus would be.

Inkwolf
July 21st, 2005, 2:20 am
You know...a pterodactyl would also be a way cool patronus for Snape. :p

Mett
July 21st, 2005, 2:34 am
Why would his boggart be a dead Lily Potter? Did he like her? If it mentioned it somewhere i need to go back and reread it looks like not that im not doing that already :)

Koratnia
July 21st, 2005, 11:48 pm
I suggested something like that.

Did you draw that Snape? Most excellent! If it is your own work, you ought to post it in Magical Masterpieces. (No spoilers allowed in that part of the forum, though, so be careful!)

No, (although I would like to draw like that some day :D) I just did a search for "Snape Sketch", on Google, and this came up along with other, less noble results,
if you get my meaning.

thestralgrin
July 22nd, 2005, 1:37 am
You know...a pterodactyl would also be a way cool patronus for Snape. :p

:cool: :tu: now your talking!

I'm still in the dark about the patronus, but it would obviously be something that would show once and for all what side he was really on - maybe something like a phoenix? the memory of DD deciding to believe him would have been enough of a biggie to enable him to generate one - only problem with that is that patronii are supposed to be unique to each witch/wizard, no two have the same. DD already had a phoenix so unless it was a slightly different-looking one to his (i.e. a somewhat battered looking bird compared to Fawkes), I would have to think of something else.

But yea, the idea of Harry & co getting anonymous & life-saving patronii messages from some noble creature that turns out to be Snape's is a good one ^^

My theories on the Boggart - it would very likely be something to do with weakness or fear. Notice how deeply it bites into him when Harry calls him a coward - and notice how he reacted when he found out he had seen him in a moment of weakness in the penieve?
My current list of what may be seen if someone stumbled onto Snape Vs a Boggart:

Snape as a boy or teenager, crying
A dead Lily
A dead Harry
His mother, dead (if she is)
Not a sock-puppet

CSI_Student
July 22nd, 2005, 3:13 am
I think that Snape's boggart would be an image of Dumbledore losing trust in him. I belive he values the Headmaster's trust and worked hard for it. Yeah, I think he's still good. A dead Harry would be a close second.
As for Patronuses? That's tricky, but I would have to say a mosquito :D

muggle2005
July 22nd, 2005, 3:18 am
I thought something like this as well. Perhaps something to do with the Potters, or Lily.

Something more than adolescent taunting must have occurred, for their enmity to be so strong that Snape seems to feel nothing but hatred for Harry.

Actually, having said that, I don't think his boggart would be James. Afterall, a boggart is the worst fear, and I don't think Snape feared James so much as loathed him. Perhaps a dead Lily Potter, if there indeed was back story to that.

Then again, that "fear" has already been actualised. Can it still be a boggart?
Good Point. Now that Lily's dead, could that really be a boggart? I don't think so. Perhaps Lily coming back and saying soemthing like, why did you tell Voldemort the prophecy, why you evil s.o.b. That, would a boggart.
His patronus is probally a bat.

Inkwolf
July 22nd, 2005, 3:19 am
That's tricky, but I would have to say a mosquito :D

That's another good one. :p Irritating, silent when it wants to be, with a sizable schnoz, and with the potential to be deadly...

starchica
July 22nd, 2005, 4:02 am
I'm hoping that the Patronus is a phoenix, because I think that would prove Snape's loyalty to Dumbledore. I can just imagine Harry receiving a message from a Phoenix patronus, and expecting Fawkes somehow, and then find out that it's Snape. (I am 100% on the good-Snape side, if you couldn't tell :) ) As for the boggart, I don't know...dead Dumbles? All-powerful Voldie? No clue, at all.

MrsSlytherin
July 24th, 2005, 7:43 pm
i think that Snape's boggart is either Harry as a very powerful wizard, or as himself as a scared child hiding in a corner. very sad indeed. harry touched into some of his memories, maybe it could be james potter?
Another thing, after seeing Lupin as a werewolf, i think that might be his boggart, he looked pretty scared to me.

CrazyJewGirl
July 24th, 2005, 8:00 pm
i was thinking that it'd be lily, maybe as a corpse or something. his boggart that is.


no clue about his patronus.

magali
July 24th, 2005, 8:23 pm
hey...
already posted that but wanting an answer, i'm gonna push further

do patronus take different colors (ok I know they take different shapes, but colors ?)
could snape's patronus be green for instance ?? (like being lily's eyes ? what I'm thinking about actually)

Emmadesheres
July 24th, 2005, 8:29 pm
If the patronus was a snake, a bat or a spider, Jo could have said it (and, if Harry receives mysterious messages from a bat/snake-patronus, he will be very suspicious, won't he?). Maybe Snape's patronus has changed because of Dumbledore's death: that would be good for the mysterious messenger in last book theory, because nobody of the Order could recognize it. Anyway, the patronus must be very unexpected from Snape the killer. A phoenix is a good guess, a stag seems impossible (he loathes James and Harry, after all). And of course, no wonder that Snape and Harry disagree about Dementors: what happy memory could Snape conjure against a Dementor? His solution must be Occlumency, as said somebody here.

For the boggart, I don't see how Snape's father or Voldemort could be spoilers (it's obvious that he fears Voldemort, like everyone). But a dead Harry would be indeed a major spoiler (and such ironic: his worst fear being the death of the one he hates the most). Lily and Dumbledore are already dead, it's not likely that their deaths could be feared. I like also the theory of himself being his boggart, it seems even better.


And if he's evil (I don't want it!), Harry must be his worst fear. For his patronus, I don't know, because a "natural" one (snake, bat) doesn't give anything and a suspicious one (a snake with the Dark Mark imprinted on its skin for example) is very unlikely (Dumbledore isn't stupid). Why can't Jo say it? Maybe that's the big clue for "Snape is on the good side"?

What would Snape see in the Mirror of Erised ?

hermione283
July 24th, 2005, 8:47 pm
Hmm, some interesting theories here...

I have no clue what Snape's patronus is...

His boggart could be a dead Harry.

Inkwolf
July 24th, 2005, 10:38 pm
Here's another interesting angle on Snape's Patronus...

In the recent interview, JKR said that the four houses were aligned to the four elements...

Gryffindor=fire
Slytherin=water
Ravenclaw=air
Hufflepuff=earth

Dumbledore's patronus is a phoenix, a magical creature of fire.

I know that this isn't always true--so many characters have non-specific creatures--but might it not be likely that some magical water creature might be Snape's patronus?

What about a kelpie?

It can change its form to whatever it likes to deceive observers.

It will usually look like a horse with bullrushes for a mane. When people try to ride it, it will dive into the water and take them straight down to the bottom of the lake to devour them, letting their entrails float to the top. (Let's face it, whatever side Snape is on, he's a traitor to the other! And a bit nasty.)

If you have a bridle on it (as I hope Dumbledore has) it is docile and unthreatening.

That could be another reason JKR couldn't tell us Snape's patronus...as a kelpie, it might have the ability to change into whatever shape Snape wants it to!!

What do you think?

tao
July 25th, 2005, 12:02 am
do patronus take different colors (ok I know they take different shapes, but colors ?)
could snape's patronus be green for instance ?? (like being lily's eyes ? what I'm thinking about actually)Nope, always silvery. And I also think it is always an animal that either runs or flies or whatever and can hunt the dementors away.

Maybe Snape's patronus has changed because of Dumbledore's death: that would be good for the mysterious messenger in last book theory, because nobody of the Order could recognize it. Anyway, the patronus must be very unexpected from Snape the killer. A phoenix is a good guess, I absolutely agree. There must be a reason why we are told in HBP that a patronus can change due to a traumatizing incident.
So whatever it was before I am absolutely sure that it is a phoenix now.

I also agree that dead Harry might be his boggart. He is trying to prevent Harry from death in every book after all (exept for CoS maybe). And we may have learned an additional reason why he wants to protect Harry so badly: He is Lily´s son - not that this is news but...
The fact that he promises Narcissa to do everything to protect and help Draco, even carry out the task itself could be a major paralell to another pair of mother and son, don´t you think? What would Snape see in the Mirror of Erised ? Got to be Voldemort´s downfall as well.

mgalupin
July 25th, 2005, 3:39 am
Boggart--Voldemort
Patronus--A Whale

Saffir
July 25th, 2005, 3:53 am
I think that Snape's patronus is a bat and that he's using it as a means of communication. I can't quite put it into words yet why, but once I go back and re-read the HBP, I'll post it here.

pyromaniac
July 25th, 2005, 3:55 am
Shouldn't voldermort be the thing/one the deatheaters fear the most, so I am guessing that he is his boggart, as for patronus I think a snake or something(evil thing).

Bettany
July 26th, 2005, 3:00 pm
If the patronus tells us something we don't know, maybe it gives a strong indication of whether he is good or bad? So perhaps, as lots of people have suggested, a phoenix; but perhaps a unicorn? A very powerful symbol of purity and goodness?

Or, perhaps a lion - the symbol of Gryffindor? Perhaps like Harry, the sorting hat wavered between two houses and Snape *chose* Slytherin, but his patronus shows his Gryffindor side?

ImDeadSirius
July 26th, 2005, 3:21 pm
I like the idea of an unknown patronus delivering messages and Harry finding out it was Snape. His boggart would have to be either a DD that knows he was betrayed or a LV that knows he was betrayed (depending on who he is loyal to [maybe both!])

bpisnky33
July 26th, 2005, 3:55 pm
Bogart- I think it has to be the Death of Harry. Even if he is not on the Order's side, I think he fancies himself a very powerful wizard, and he would want the power for himself. Not share it with LV.

Patronus- I don't know if he can make one No Happy Thoughts. If he can I think it has changed(I don't even know if Snape knows what it is at this point)

Mirror of Erised- I think he would see himself as the most powerful and respected wizard in the world.

Da_Veela
July 27th, 2005, 7:19 pm
His patronus..patronus...ummm...a stag? ha ha sorry bad thought.. maybe something that connects him to either Dumbledore or Voldemort..

as far as the Boggart is concerned...that's really a tricky one...

kitsune-mewtwo
July 30th, 2005, 4:38 am
Snape's boggart being himself (hurting others with the Dark Arts) is an intriguing idea. Or, maybe Dumbledore calling him a traitor/murderer/coward? Or Lily, if the Snape-likes-Lily theory is true. It would certainly be worse for him than Harry or James saying the same thing...

As for a Patronus, I really like the idea of his Patronus being a Phoenix. Because really, it has to be something noble if it's important. Think of sll the reasons why it couldn't be given away-

1) He can't make one.
2) It is something that would give away what side he was on.
3) It will show up later, but we're not supposed to know whose it is.

The first one doesn't seem likely at all- he was a member of the Order, and they communicated via Patronuses. Dumbledore surely would have ensured that he could communicate in that manner.

The second one is possible, but limited. The Order must know what it is, so it can't be anything too dark. I'm thinking that a snake, bat, or spider might raise suspicions just a bit too much to work.

The third one is also possible, and still limited. If it shows up later, it will probably be used to give a message. And, for anyone to believe that message, it can't be anything bad. Also, if any hint of it is to be given to an Order member, it can't be the same as Snape's Patronus was before he took off, or it would be entirely obvious.

The idea of a changing Patronus, caused by extreme emotional shock, seems to fit here. And from what we've seen of changing Patronuses, the change in the Patronus seems to be somewhat related to the cause of the change- Tonks's Patronus basically changed into werewolf-Lupin. So, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine that Snape's Patronus would react similarly- it would change into a phoenix, since Patronuses can't be people.

It would be kind of fitting, as well. The symbolism behind a phoenix can be for redemption as well as ressurection. And it's much more likely than any other noble Patronus- he wouldn't really fit with the purity of a unicorn, a stag just isn't Snape, and I can't see him with a lion.

As for what I think it was before it changed, it was probably a fox. Clever and sneaky, but without as bad of a connotation as a snake or a weasel. Nothing for the Order to be worried about, and not something that would give a lot away to us.

(On the other hand, it could have been something 'problematic' before, as far as the Death Eaters were concerned- why else would Snape want to come up with a way of dealing with Dementors that didn't involve the Patronus Charm?)

SyirenSlytherin
July 30th, 2005, 4:43 am
i was convinced before that it was a Dragon... made a whole post about the snape/dragon similarities but now i'm placing my bets with Inkwolf and going for pheonix... the comment about a patronus changing after a shock was just too much. but then i have to wonder why he wouldn't want to show the previous one to his DADA class... that's the only reason i can think of for the Harry disagreeing with Snape on how to deal with dementors comment, that Snape didn't want to demonstait his patronus for the class. though perhaps he didnt' want them to see more for his spy duty in case one of the slytherins saw one of his messages being sent. ugh, i'm rambling now.


anyways as for his boggart, going along with the Snape/Lily idea, perhaps it's Lily looking at him accusingly for not protecting her son, you know, with those same eyes Harry always stares him down with, filled with hate and loathing.... just a thought though it's probably something much more simple like dead Harry or something.

Accio__Brain
July 30th, 2005, 5:26 am
I think it would be very interesting if Snape's patronus changed into a phoenix and Harry thought it was DD sending him messages and it was really Snape.

I can see Harry dead being Snape's boggart. Not because he lurves Harry or anything but because that would ultimately mean lifelong servitude to Voldything. :sad:

tao
July 30th, 2005, 5:30 am
... but then i have to wonder why he wouldn't want to show the previous one to his DADA class... that's the only reason i can think of for the Harry disagreeing with Snape on how to deal with dementors comment, that Snape didn't want to demonstait his patronus for the class. though perhaps he didnt' want them to see more for his spy duty in case one of the slytherins saw one of his messages being sent. ugh, i'm rambling now.No, you are right. It would be better to keep your patronus a secret if you work as a double agent and use it as communication tool.

aggiefan1206
July 30th, 2005, 5:37 am
Patronus- If he is truely evil would he be able to produce one?? But i think it would be a bat,or something that would be hard to guess. Snakes are crafty which would fit Snpae but I dont think it will be. Voldemort would be more likely to be a snake but i dont thinkhe can produce one so anyways.
Boggart- something he is afraid of??? That i dont know it must have somethign to do with Voldemort or DD. What if it was Voldemort defeating Harry perhaps??? This would def be a reason why JK would not say. But it could also ahve something to do with Voldemort taking over. This is really hard to say at this point because we really dont know if he is a traitor or acting on DD orders.

What ever it is gives away what side he is truely on so that dosent exactly narrow it down now does it.

Gloga_1
July 30th, 2005, 5:43 am
James Potter could be his Boggart. He was in his debt and he couldn't stand it. He was also constaintly picked on by James during school. Either that or someone calling him a coward. His reaction wasn't exactly hidden to being called a coward. Might even be himself cowering. Who knows.

TigerSnake
July 30th, 2005, 6:11 am
I don't think Snape's Patronus can be a Phoenix b/c all the Order members have a different patronus. Plus, the members of the Order must know which other's patronuses in order to identify each other. Therefore, everyone of them would've been like "HUH?" when Harry told them it was Snape who killed DD b/c his patronus obviously showed he was DD's man through and through. So my conclusion is that his patronus is not a phoenix.

Here's what JKR had to say about patronuses on her site:
Members of the Order use their Patronuses to communicate with each other. They are the only wizards who know how to use their spirit guardians in this way and they have been taught to do so by Dumbledore (he invented this method of communication). The Patronus is an immensely efficient messenger for several reasons: it is an anti-Dark Arts device, which makes it highly resilient to interference from Dark wizards; it is not hindered by physical barriers; each Patronus is unique and distinctive, so that there is never any doubt which Order member has sent it; nobody else can conjure another person's Patronus, so there is no danger of false messages being passed between Order members; nothing conspicuous needs to be carried by the Order member to create a Patronus.

And, as many of you have deduced, Dumbledore's Patronus is indeed a phoenix

SyirenSlytherin
July 30th, 2005, 6:37 am
his patronus was not a pheonix, but after an emotional shock it very well could be.

LJB85
July 30th, 2005, 7:58 am
his patronus was not a pheonix, but after an emotional shock it very well could be.

This is an intriging idea, but I would rather think that Harry's patronus or Lupin's or Hagrid's would turn into a phoenix. It seems more likely for it to turn into a phoenix for them, because they are more likely to experience and feel their emotions from the upheaval of Dumbledore's death. Snape on the other hand, would repress it even if it was feeling him. Therefore, it may not be able to come out in a patronus form.

Snape's patronus may be a fox. A fox is mentioned in c. 2 called Spinner's End when Bella kills it. Now, JK knows we all want to know his patronus and this was a chapter mainly about him, in an area where he lives and probably grew up. I think she was just giving us a subtle hint. She could of chose many other creatures to have been at the river like a deer, a bird, a bat, etc. To hint at it.

The fox is also described as Scrawny, which is similar to the way Snape was described in a memory Harry saw of a girl laughing at him on a bucking broomstick.

Snape has the traits associated with a fox: clever, cunning, trickery.

I think it makes sense also, cause it is a clever foreshadow of them going to meet Severus. This was actually, the tiny hint that made me know on my first reading who they were meeting up with!!

Now I would not rule out a bat or a snake or even a lion. But we should seriously consider this.

On my next reading, I will look for a possible hint to his boggart.

littlemae
July 30th, 2005, 8:38 pm
I could have sworn I posted here yesterday, I must be going insane.

For Snape's patronus I would guess that it would be a bat or other seemingly dark creature. He's always talked about that he's bat-like, so it's reasonable. A fox is also a really good idea LJB85, the mention of one in the book could definetly be a clue. It seems like a sneaky way to mention one, but just like Jo to mention it where people might not notice it.

As for his boggart, I'm not really sure... The first thing I thought of is Voldemort, it makes sense since his followers are all frightened of him. But then another thought entered my mind, a dead Harry. I'm one of those people who thinks that Snape is actually good at heart and that there has to be something more to what happened in HBP. I think that Snape isn't on the dark side, so a dead Harry would mean a lot of things to him. Harry is hope that Voldemort can be defeated, he's the 'chosen one' after all. Even if Snape doesn't know about the full prophesy, that doesn't mean he doesn't think Harry is key. Plus if he and Dumbledore had resolved to help keep Harry save then it would probably be a blow to Snape that he didn't help keep Harry safe better. It sounds sort of far-fetched, but hey.

Strange_Divine
July 30th, 2005, 8:51 pm
Wouldn't it be interesting if one's own worst fear had already been realised that that would have a specific reaction with a boggart? Perhaps not even being able to see it, or something to the like. Personally, I think Lily dying would be right up there on Snape's biggest fear list. At this point in the books however, it isn't likely that we'll have another boggart encounter... the "biggest fear" point probably being something more in the realm of motivation.

Vidyut
July 31st, 2005, 8:45 am
Don't know about Snape's patronus. Could be a phoenix because of DD's influence in his life. But I am certain that his boggart would be a dead Harry (I don't think Lily, because a boggart is what we fear the most and he can't fear what has already happened). Also Dumbledore's.

Pinkerton
July 31st, 2005, 8:58 am
LJB85 had an interesting point that takes me slightly off-topic, the idea of Harry's patronus taking form as a phoenix after what's happened. He grew so close to Dumbledore and all.. ohh.. Well, I'd better stop myself before I get too off.

I think Snape's Boggart would be, hmm, perhaps James as many have suggested. I can see him feeling the mixture of fear and frustration that most others feel when facing their boggart. As far as patronus, it's hard to say. People want to think that it's a bat because he's described as bat like, but.. who knows. It seems that patronuses are connected to their caster in some way. Like, Hermione's was an otter.. Otters are pretty creative and intelligent. Harry's is Prongs, the stag, which obviously goes hand in hand with the deep connection he has to his father. So would that give me reason to think Snape's is a bat? He acts bat like but I don't see much bat in his personality, really.. I'm stumped.

ladyblack23
July 31st, 2005, 8:59 am
Snape is often described as swooping around like an "over-grown bat" by JKR in the books so maybe his patronus is a bat.

As for boggart the James Potter theory is a good one, I would have said DD dead pre-HBP, but now, I am not so sure, because you know...that kind of alrealy happened...

reznora
July 31st, 2005, 10:36 am
I’m inclined to think that of the two, Snape’s patronus is not as important as his boggart is in determining which “side” he’s on, if any.

Since the Order communicates with their patronuses, it seems a bit unlikely that his was some overtly “dark” creature. I mean, they’d all be reeeeeally nervous around him if it were a big ole snake, werewolf, or basilisk no? Conversely, I think they’d be a bit less suspicious of him if it were a fluffy white bunny (please Python fans don’t email me). I reckon, perhaps wrongly, that it’s something more ambiguous (weasel, wolf, raven?)…much like he is.

As for the boggart, a dead Lily Potter seems plausible, but it’s already happened.
We now know that Snape’s a bit of a bada** in the skills department, but he’s never been acknowledged for it. It seems that for all his sneering arrogance, deep down, he truly desires respect and recognition. He was riled when he lost the Order of Merlin, and despite the danger involved, seemed to revel a bit in being so trusted by both DD and LV. He’s brilliant but insecure, and has a massive chip on his shoulder to boot. It could be that his boggart is a form of himself being made completely insignificant or dying in ignominy. If this is the case, then Snape will do as a good Slytherin would and act in a way that benefits him the most.

I'd actually prefer to stick him in front of the mirror of Erised and find out exactly what he sees. Just my two cents…

SephStravier
July 31st, 2005, 11:20 am
Maybe his Patronus is a pheonix to symbolise Dumbledore, and she couldn't tell us that because then we wouldn't be making random theories along the lines of "Snape is Evil."

Muggle_Kyle
July 31st, 2005, 12:24 pm
I believe Snape's boggard would be "danger". Or people calling him a coward. I'm not sure about his Patronus though, I think its noting special, just a bat or something like that.

Senua
July 31st, 2005, 6:45 pm
I think Snape's boggart would turn into a fully grown, fully trained, adult Harry Potter with his wand out ready to blast Snape into oblivion. Snape must know that he has tormented, humiliated and hurt Harry since their first meeting and he obviously knows that Harry is 'the chosen one' who will defeat Voldemort and probably the remaining Death Eaters as well including Snape.

I doubt he has a patronus. Aren't they only created from happy memories. What happy memories can Snape have?

TigerSnake
July 31st, 2005, 10:58 pm
I’m inclined to think that of the two, Snape’s patronus is not as important as his boggart is in determining which “side” he’s on, if any.

Since the Order communicates with their patronuses, it seems a bit unlikely that his was some overtly “dark” creature. I mean, they’d all be reeeeeally nervous around him if it were a big ole snake, werewolf, or basilisk no? Conversely, I think they’d be a bit less suspicious of him if it were a fluffy white bunny (please Python fans don’t email me). I reckon, perhaps wrongly, that it’s something more ambiguous (weasel, wolf, raven?)…much like he is.
I totally agree. I think we should concentrate on his boggart. JKR probably didn't tell us the patronus b/c it was asked what it was along with the boggart. Just a thought...

I know ppl have already said this but I'm just restating: I think Snape's boggart would be a dead Harry, if he's good.

Not sure if someone's said this but if he's evil, maybe it's Harry, but alive.

lupislune
July 31st, 2005, 11:04 pm
JKR did say in one of her interviews (I think it was a World Book Day one) that revealing Snape's patronus would give too much away. Given this idea, I think that it reveals which side he is really on. Personally, I have thought that it is a Griffin or perhaps a lion. Obviously, DD and the other members, knew what it was as Snape was/is a member of the OoTP. I think Harry will find out at the end of book 7, and thus Harry will realize what side Snape is really on. As for his Boggart, I think it is indeed a dead Harry, just a Dumbledore's was.

NovaMania
July 31st, 2005, 11:10 pm
I would've said his boggart is the marauders taunting him if jo didn't say it'd give away too much. Maybe it's Voldemort. that would give away a lot

ok, just read that jo said the patronus would give away too much too :huh: umm, no idea, i guess a griffin would give away too much. but why are the Order so nervous about him? maybe it's something good but scary.

someone brought up an interesting point, what happy memories does snape have? :p aww poorsnape. he really needs a girlfriend lol

Emmadesheres
July 31st, 2005, 11:55 pm
someone brought up an interesting point, what happy memories does snape have? aww poorsnape. he really needs a girlfriend lol

:lol: In fact, Harry and Snape disagree on the best way to fight Dementors: Snape's patronus isn't enough strong probably...
I don't think that his boggart's Voldemort. Draco's boggart is certainly Voldemort in HBP and that must be the case of almost every Death Eater. So that wouldn't give anything. A dead Harry (if he's good) or a a furious Moody/Harry/Lupin (possibly werewolf) if he's evil.
Before GoF, Voldy's return.

eeny
August 30th, 2005, 8:46 pm
My first idea on boggart was Lilly (might be her ghost), Harry (a real one) or even DD / Voldy (dependant on his true loyalties). But then it was posted somewhere (on what will happen in book 7?) that it might be ... himself. Amazing case. But, at the same time, he is too much on his own, relying just on himself...
DD in me turns more to the point of phoenix for a patronus. Even if it is not entirely convincing as giving too much away. Just that it does not sounds like a Snape given to us by Harry in the books.

Awiana
August 30th, 2005, 9:13 pm
I have a feeling Snape's patronus could very well be a phoenix... I think it has changed after HBP, I have no idea what it was earlier, but after he killed DD it changed to a phoenix. It could be important in book 7, it could help to convince Harry that Snape is loyal to Dumbledore. And also, if his patronus is a phoenix, it would give away his loyalties, and that could be the reason why JKR won't say what it is because it would give too much away. Unless the "give too much away" comment refers only to his boggart... hmm.

Tonks
August 30th, 2005, 9:57 pm
Here's another interesting angle on Snape's Patronus...

In the recent interview, JKR said that the four houses were aligned to the four elements...

Gryffindor=fire
Slytherin=water
Ravenclaw=air
Hufflepuff=earth

Dumbledore's patronus is a phoenix, a magical creature of fire.

I know that this isn't always true--so many characters have non-specific creatures--but might it not be likely that some magical water creature might be Snape's patronus?

What about a kelpie?

It can change its form to whatever it likes to deceive observers.

It will usually look like a horse with bullrushes for a mane. When people try to ride it, it will dive into the water and take them straight down to the bottom of the lake to devour them, letting their entrails float to the top. (Let's face it, whatever side Snape is on, he's a traitor to the other! And a bit nasty.)

If you have a bridle on it (as I hope Dumbledore has) it is docile and unthreatening.

That could be another reason JKR couldn't tell us Snape's patronus...as a kelpie, it might have the ability to change into whatever shape Snape wants it to!!

What do you think?

I like the way you work in the elements of the houses here. I think that either of these creatures would fit the importance JKR places on his patronus. I think if we knew that one of these were his patronus it would giv too much away, especially the horse.

I wonder what his bogart is though... I have a feeling it is fear that he fears ubove all things and that this would translate into Snape seeing himself afraid which would be his biggest fear. I think this fits in with his revulsion to Harry calling him a coward.

Pearson
August 31st, 2005, 12:20 am
Being on Snape's side...I believe that the evidence of HBP so far indicates that his greatest fear is himself, and the damage he may do with his Dark Arts.

That's why he was so angry with Harry calling him a coward--Snape had just lived his greatest fear, killing his friend Dumbledore (by Dumbledore's own orders) with an unforgiveable curse.

That may also be why his worst memory was worst...the shame that he actually used Sectusempra against someone.
Interesting point you have there Inkwolf, it never dawned on me before until you mentioned Sectum Sempra. It did seem that his greatest fear being himself was a re-occuring theme throughout HBP. Just look how he got so upset when he found that Harry used it against Malfoy and his fear has now come to fruition, someone found his book and used the dark arts against another human being.

random_musing
August 31st, 2005, 12:23 am
I like the idea of Snape's Boggart being Lily Evans. Who else thinks so?

WitZulu
August 31st, 2005, 7:17 am
I think His Boggart would be Harry. From the first time the two of them met Snape has been on the defensive. Everyone knows that attack is the best form of defence and that is just the tactics he used against harry trying to keep him down so he will not strike back. I sense a big confrontation coming here.

As for his patronis I can only guess it might be a Snake. The same as his Mentor and the house he belonged to before the DADA curse hit him.

random_musing
August 31st, 2005, 7:36 am
As for his patronis I can only guess it might be a Snake. The same as his Mentor and the house he belonged to before the DADA curse hit him.
well, voldy is the mentor if you think hes still evil, but I think that DD was his mentor actually...but whatever.

WitZulu
August 31st, 2005, 10:23 am
well, voldy is the mentor if you think hes still evil, but I think that DD was his mentor actually...but whatever.

I agree. It would however be a giveaway to LV if he has a phoenix(for example) as his patronis will it not. So whether he is good or evil his Patronis has to appear to be that of an evil person. So if not a snake something perseived to be evil . This makes the snake ideal. Most people assume people that can speak to snakes as evil but harry can And he most certainly is not evil. this way whether he is evil or not it would fit

Chrysalis
August 31st, 2005, 10:39 am
I thought his boggart might be Lily telling him he'd failed her...

random_musing
August 31st, 2005, 11:01 am
I thought his boggart might be Lily telling him he'd failed her...
*rubs hands together* ooo...i do like this lily angst

Chrysalis
August 31st, 2005, 11:09 am
Or maybe a disappointed Dumbledore?

yorkiegirl
August 31st, 2005, 11:49 am
Hmmmm

boggart - a dead Lilly - or being forced to be NICE to Harry :eyebrows:

patronous - something that can change its colours at will - though I do like the idea of a kelpie.

random_musing
August 31st, 2005, 12:14 pm
boggart - a dead Lilly
oooo even better! the angst is just piling in :elaugh:

Chrysalis
August 31st, 2005, 12:16 pm
Dead Lily's already happened- I don't see how that can be a boggart.

What Snape fears most is failure - failing himself, but above all, the only people he ever loved and/or admired - Eileen, Dumbledore and Lily all ganging up on him telling him what a disappointment he was would be cause for a breakdown. So that must be his worst fear.

yorkiegirl
August 31st, 2005, 12:41 pm
Dead Lily's already happened- I don't see how that can be a boggart.

True - how about himself lying dead!

random_musing
August 31st, 2005, 12:44 pm
What Snape fears most is failure - failing himself, but above all, the only people he ever loved and/or admired - Eileen, Dumbledore and Lily all ganging up on him telling him what a disappointment he was would be cause for a breakdown. So that must be his worst fear.
that would be a bit frightning...I agree with you on the faliure bit btw. BTW, is it said that Snape cared about his mother in HBP? I think he did but i'm just curious if its in canon?

Dead Lily's already happened- I don't see how that can be a boggart.
but couldn't snape be really afraid of seeing her dead...even if he knew she...already...is...dead?
...
ok i don't have a leg to stand on with that one, nvm

Hermione Snape
August 31st, 2005, 1:45 pm
Before I would have said Snape's Patronus would be Lily but now I am bit too skeptical on that one, but I definitely think his boggart is his father mostly because we now know his father was a muggle and he was ashamed of that side of him.

Okay I have changed my mind on the Patronus thing.

It is Lily, I am 95% sure on that one. Not Lily as a human but Lily as he would see her in an animal form. Her animal form h'mm what could that be? I know!

A fox! She had red hair, she was cunning, she was clever, I can imagine a certain amount of sly about her and she was also warm, protective, and lovely, also sexy! Foxy Lady anyone? (The best Jimi Hendrix song eva!)

So Snape's Patronus would be a Fox. And guess what, you can actually get BLACK foxes as well! I stay with my Boggart though!

Eric_Cartman
August 31st, 2005, 5:29 pm
I don't like the idea of a Boggart being someone that says something to the person, like someone calling Snape a coward. That doesn't seem plausible to me. Molly's Boggart is pretty unique in that it doesn't just show someone but someone dead. This shows that Snape's Boggart could be someone dead, but who? Harry? I think if Snape made an UV with Lily to protect Harry, then his Boggart would be Harry dead. I don't think it would be Voldemort because I can't see him really fearing him like how Wormtail does. And it wouldn't be Voldemort dead because whether he's evil or not he would like it if the Dark Lord was dead.

Chrysalis
August 31st, 2005, 5:47 pm
Hermione's boggart was Professor McGonagall telling her she'd failed all her exams, so it's possible.

Why would Snape fear himself dead?:huh:

Evik
August 31st, 2005, 5:57 pm
I have been thinking ... is it possible not to have a boggart? Because I can't think of anything Snape would be afraid of (he is definately not afraid of his death, DD or Voldemort).

eeny
August 31st, 2005, 6:44 pm
This is a point - a person, not beeing afraid of anything... However, does not appeals to me regardin Snape. There are fears in this person, already mentioned fear from Harry. OK, we still do not know, why. But, in a sense,his attitude towards Harry is a general mistery, especially in the light of discoveries during book 7.

Penseiveone
August 31st, 2005, 7:51 pm
I have been thinking ... is it possible not to have a boggart? Because I can't think of anything Snape would be afraid of (he is definately not afraid of his death, DD or Voldemort).

I think that Snape does have a bogart, although I have no clue what it could be. He's a freakin awesome character, probably my favorite, but he is not as tough as he seems- at least I hope that he's not, that would be creepy :p I think that his bogart would probably be The Dark Mark, since I'm a Lily/Snape shipper and think that it isn't his death that he fears, but rather that of those that he cares about.

animekid1986
October 28th, 2005, 6:22 pm
Personally, I don't see how Snape's patronus being a bat or snake would give much away (unless it had to do with book seven and Harry seeing Order members communicating with somewith with said patronus).
I think I agree with what some people have already suggested, that Snape patronus is a phoenix. A phoenix would certainly cement what side Snape is on for one thing (the Light side). Plus that little scene in the end at AD's funeral when Harry thinks he sees the ghostly image of a phoenix rising. It makes for some interesting speculations. . .

As for boggart, a werewolf, I think, is a bit too obvious (not to say it can't happen). I think Snape's boggart would be a collection of the people he knows (both who he hates and who he cared about) summing up all his failures, faults, fears about himself, etc.
Example: Sirius walks out calling him Snivillus and a coward, who spin/morphs into Lily calling him a failure who no one could ever dream of loving, turning into Dumbledore telling him that he was nothing more than a useful tool for the Order but is now just murderous traitor who deserves to crawl in the dark with Voldermort and the other filth.(yeah, I'm a part of the 'Snape is good' camp) Imagine having all the things you secretly believe you are or the irrational fears being told to you bluntly by those who know you best? :upset: Maybe that's why he comepletely lost it when Harry called him a coward.
I personally think Snape's good at heart, but if he truly believed that what he did was cowardly, it wouldn't help to have Harry shout it to his face and just confirm what he is secretly thinking about himself. That's his biggest fear and humiliation and that's why he was so vehement that Harry not call him that.

MysticAngel
October 28th, 2005, 8:49 pm
i also love the Phoenix patronus idea - whether Snape is, as I believe, on Dumbledore's side, or not, the Phoenix Patronus would still be representative of one of the best things to have happened in Severus' life - the unwavering trust that Dumbledore placed in him, along with taking him under his wing and caring for him more deeply than anyone in Sev's life will have ever cared (as only Dumbledore could). the Phoenix would represent Dumbledore, and the sense of right that he instilled in Severus (again, obviously i'm a firm believer in Snape's goodness and in his pivotal role in all this)

as for Snape's boggart - perhaps it would assume the shapes of all the people that represented torment in Severus' life, like it did with Mrs. Weasley in OotP - James and Sirius (he really doesn't seem to have that much of a problem with Lupin so i think i'd discard the werewolf option), possibly Voldemort; personally, i think the first thing Snape's boggart would change into would be his father - the first person to have horribly tormented him

potterwun
October 28th, 2005, 9:51 pm
I think the boggart would be Sirius or James because the tourmentted him all the time, and for his patronous, I think it would be a snake.

Malls_hp
October 28th, 2005, 9:51 pm
I think Snapes Patronus would be a snake or something to that effect cause of Slytherin and him being with Voldemort

i agree to that ^...........i think his boggart might be Voldemort or some great power like him (i am not sure whome i mean !!).........

voldymortus
October 29th, 2005, 12:19 am
I say his boggart is either James....Or a fully formed Werewolf named remus lupin.
I'd say though his patronus is a one lilly potter. Why do I say that?

His all to convinceing redemption. Now I maintain belief that he had a crush on lilly potter. Now He joins up with voldemort. He tells him he has some verrry helpful info into what his future holds, If he promises one thingh : LIlly lives. Voldemort agrees. Now I know voldemort is deceitful, but I still think that he has a sick sense of loyalty I E he makes a promoise and keeps it. Now voldemort agrees to the terms saying that he will do every thing in his power to spare lilly. Of course lilly leaves him no choice, and he kills her. That's why his patronus is a lilly potter lookalike, he feels remourse.

Of course, we have all seen a patronus change due to love. I mean after the events of HBP, there is no doubt as to who Tonks' patronus is.

As for his boggart well, we all know how snape holds a grudge.

eVaNeScEnCe
October 29th, 2005, 4:02 am
I've always maintained that Snape's patronus is in the form of a crow. Crows are known in fiction for being "watchers" and private guides, and most notably, spies. Snape as the spy is the most obvious pick, but he's also secretly watched over Harry's affairs over the years and guided him without him realizing it. :)

Crows are also morally ambigous: in some accounts they are depicted as evil and in others as good. :eyebrows:

As for the boggart: I really haven't a clue. Although I would like for it to be something dramatic and uber depressing, something that would fit Snape's story.

Chrysalis
October 29th, 2005, 11:18 am
I think his animagus form is a raven. Snape always seemed very 'bird-like' to me, rather than bat-like.

Sly_Lady
October 29th, 2005, 11:54 pm
I think his animagus form is a raven. Snape always seemed very 'bird-like' to me, rather than bat-like. I like the idea of Snape's Patronus being a raven or a crow...in the past. I think it will change, and like some other posters, I think it'll be the phoenix.

Snape's boggart would somehow represent him losing control of his emotions.

eeny
October 31st, 2005, 11:58 am
I think it will change, and like some other posters, I think it'll be the phoenix.
Thanks for that idea - especially if it has been mentioned before! This seams a twist to make a number if hearts jump & move. Still, it is not granted. One idea in favour of it: in HBP it was made clear patronusses can change. But, it does not excludes that Snape's patronus could have allways been a phoenix, and the one that will change int phoenix will be the Harry's... Two on a one scene.
Still, I leep a small hope for a silvery spider somewhere at the finals of book7... :evil:

Dragonious
October 31st, 2005, 12:22 pm
(Sorry if anyone has mentioned this before)
Maybe Snape's patronus is a bat because he has been described to look like an overlarge bat. Maybe a vampire bat because Snape awaly seems to suck the fun out of everything.
I guess his boggart would be his enemies having fun and laughter at his expense.

wandaXmaximof
October 31st, 2005, 12:35 pm
Being on Snape's side...I believe that the evidence of HBP so far indicates that his greatest fear is himself, and the damage he may do with his Dark Arts.

That's why he was so angry with Harry calling him a coward--Snape had just lived his greatest fear, killing his friend Dumbledore (by Dumbledore's own orders) with an unforgiveable curse.

That may also be why his worst memory was worst...the shame that he actually used Sectusempra against someone.

Whilst I'm still totally unsure of Snape's true loyalties, I really liked your idea of Snape's worst fear being his use of dark magic and why the scene in OotP was his worst memory.
I can just imagen Snape getting into the Dark Arts, because he has no friends and wants to make them out of fear, then joining LV, realising how evil he is and regretting his use of dark arts. It would also fit with the idea that Snape had feeling for Lily and because of his connection to the 'dark side' (no pun/joke intended) it cost him his true love.
I hope that all made sence, as for Snape's patronus, allthought it's unlikly it'd be awesome if it were Dumbledore!

theBadGuy
October 31st, 2005, 1:03 pm
for some odd reason...i think it would be lily potter

MissValGogh
November 1st, 2005, 6:04 am
I think that JKR changed Tonks's patronus just so that she could write that Snape's patronus has changed in book 7. My bet is that his new patronus would be a phoenix or even Dumbledore? I know someone mentioned that his patronus could be Lily, but that would cause some sort of conflict within the Order of the Phoenix...mainly from Lupin and Sirius. "Oh, so Snivelly was in love with Lily? Is that why he got James killed?"

april
November 1st, 2005, 7:13 am
Well, if it would be something too revealing for JKR to say, I would assume it would be something showing that he is good. I doubt it's a bat, that doesn't reveal much. I mean, we know he dresses dark and is bat-like, so it's nothing new. Remus and Sirius never brought up the patronus, so I think until the Astronomy Tower Incident, it was probably predictable. If it were stand out, I bet Sirius would have said something about it to Harry or while fighting with Severus. So, until then, it might have been something either that makes sense or seems common/inconsequenial. Maybe something representing knowledge or stealth in his mind. I think the patronus must be revealing now. Since, I'm all for him being good, I'll say a phoenix. I've also thought that this might be how Riddle catches Severus, if he does.

The Boggart, I think would be Riddle victorious, or something symbolizing that. Either Riddle himself all happy, or Harry dead. I've also entertained the thought that it could be himself failing, or his father bearing down on him. Something that symbolizes his weakness, because I think he wants to suceed at being a spy and making amends for his mistakes (largely though helping to bring down Riddle).

arithmancer
November 2nd, 2005, 4:21 am
Thanks for that idea - especially if it has been mentioned before! This seams a twist to make a number if hearts jump & move. Still, it is not granted. One idea in favour of it: in HBP it was made clear patronusses can change. But, it does not excludes that Snape's patronus could have allways been a phoenix, and the one that will change int phoenix will be the Harry's... Two on a one scene.
Still, I leep a small hope for a silvery spider somewhere at the finals of book7... :evil:

I think if Snape's Patronus had been a Phoenix for the last several years, someone would have expressed some surprise/doubt and mentioned this fact at the end of HBP. In the Potterverse someone's Patronus is linked to their feelings and loyalties...so Snape having a phoenix Patronus all along would be a reason for other Order members beside Dumbledore to trust him (but it seems they do not).

I like your idea of a spider as Snape's Patronus for his Patronus all along. And the idea Sly Lady and others have expressed, that his Patronus will change to a Phoenix in Book 7.

FireKracKer78
November 2nd, 2005, 7:12 am
Snape's boggart would be shampoo, and his patronus would be a bottle of hair grease...

Chrysalis
November 2nd, 2005, 2:08 pm
I think that JKR changed Tonks's patronus just so that she could write that Snape's patronus has changed in book 7. My bet is that his new patronus would be a phoenix or even Dumbledore? I know someone mentioned that his patronus could be Lily, but that would cause some sort of conflict within the Order of the Phoenix...mainly from Lupin and Sirius. "Oh, so Snivelly was in love with Lily? Is that why he got James killed?"
I agree.:agree:

ElectricJello00
November 2nd, 2005, 2:13 pm
Hmmm, good question! I think his Boggart would be... uh... I come back to this thread. :blush:

Eneco
November 2nd, 2005, 3:00 pm
Maybe "Good" Snape's Boggart is Voldemort, & "Evil" Snape's Boggart is Dumbledore?

Hence the reason JKR can't tell us what his Boggart is, as it would give away his true loyalties?

As for his patronus, I'd always thought of a crow, or a raven.

BOOK_a_HOLIC
November 2nd, 2005, 6:32 pm
I think his boggart would be himself as achild

His patronus could be a dirty animal like a worm or something

Awiana
November 2nd, 2005, 7:04 pm
I think that JKR changed Tonks's patronus just so that she could write that Snape's patronus has changed in book 7. My bet is that his new patronus would be a phoenix or even Dumbledore?
That's what I think too. It makes sense to me that Tonks's patronus changed so that JKR could introduce us to the idea of patronuses changing. I have no idea what Snape's patronus used to be, but I believe it's now a phoenix.

GingerR
November 2nd, 2005, 11:14 pm
That's why his patronus is a lilly potter lookalike, he feels remourse.

But a patronus is a spell cast while thinking of something happy, not of remorse. Tonks' patronus changes to a werewolf because Lupin makes her happy, she is in love with him. The form of the patronus is linked to the person.

I think his boggart would involve him losing control or power. Snape likes his little power trips. He likes bullying people, he likes knowing things others don't, he understands that knowledge is power and he enjoys wielding that power whenever he can. I think his boggart would reflect that, and might take the shape of him losing his legilimency or occlumency powers.

Occy
December 18th, 2005, 10:04 am
Snapes boggart would be a symbol of his loss of self control - his patronus would be *cringe* Lily - if JK goes down the predictable path and matches them up. Otherwise his patronus would be himself

apefrizzola85
December 18th, 2005, 10:20 am
Some have said a spider for Snape's patronus, and I completely agree. I've heard a theory about this. In fact in book 4, at the end of the labyrinth, we meet the Sphynx whose riddle is about a spider; and the beginning of the riddle says:
"first think of the person who lives in disguise,
who deals in secrets and tells naught but lies..."

... that is the spy... a definition that fits Snape's role in the following books, don't you think so? :)

Atlas
December 18th, 2005, 10:21 am
His boggart is probably his father (Muggle heritage) since he was/is a Death Eater, or perhaps Lily's dead body... And his Patronus is probably a snake...

black_cat
December 18th, 2005, 10:29 am
In my opinion, Snape's boggart would be his father. he's a D.E. so he would want to become a real pure blood not just half. he would be most afraid of his father because it would be like reminder to him that he could and would never be a pure blood.

I haven't the faintest idea what his patronus would be, neither do i care.....

p.s.
i don't think Snape has enough happy memories to conjure a corporeal patronus......

hermy_19
December 18th, 2005, 10:45 am
I think his boggart would be Lily dead.
As for his Patronus, I agree with the others who have said it before me, whatever it might have been before but now it will be a phoenix.

hermione8
December 18th, 2005, 9:14 pm
Boggart-----------> Voldemort
Patronus----------> Otter

LadySnape23
December 18th, 2005, 10:38 pm
Interesting how Snape did not agree with Harry upon the best way to tackle dementors - perhaps this is a hint that he does not have happy enough memories to be able to conjure a patronus. Poignant but possibly true.

Fawkesfan1
December 18th, 2005, 10:41 pm
That's what I think too. It makes sense to me that Tonks's patronus changed so that JKR could introduce us to the idea of patronuses changing. I have no idea what Snape's patronus used to be, but I believe it's now a phoenix.
Could be... I was thinking that maybe's Harry's Patronus might be one as well.

Fawkesfan1
December 18th, 2005, 10:45 pm
Snape's boggart would be shampoo, and his patronus would be a bottle of hair grease...lol... I agree :p

Patronus = a Phoenix
Boggart = a very ticked off Harry :eyebrows:

TheOtherWeasley
December 18th, 2005, 11:10 pm
Hmmmm...boggart....I would have to say Voldie displeased or something to do with being teased in school..like...groups of people laughing at him.Lily being one of the people.

arithmancer
December 18th, 2005, 11:19 pm
In my opinion, Snape's boggart would be his father. he's a D.E. so he would want to become a real pure blood not just half. he would be most afraid of his father because it would be like reminder to him that he could and would never be a pure blood.

Then he chose a rather odd pseudonym as a schoolboy...a constant reminder of his greatest fear? Seems unlikely.

i don't think Snape has enough happy memories to conjure a corporeal patronus......
Then how do you suppose he communicates with the Order? We know he communicated with Sirius and other members twice towards the end of OotP. The Order usually communicate using their Patronuses.

TheOtherWeasley
December 18th, 2005, 11:20 pm
Hmmmm...boggart....I would have to say Voldie displeased or something to do with being teased in school..like...groups of people laughing at him.Lily being one of the people.

doo7749
December 19th, 2005, 2:42 am
patronus: vulture...is what I think, cuz of his 'hooked nose'
dunno about the boggart...

bravesfan150
December 19th, 2005, 2:42 am
his patronus would prabably be a spider or a bat or something of that nature. As for his boggart, hmmmmmmmm, this is tough.....maybe james

fashion_heiress
December 19th, 2005, 3:01 am
For some strange reaso n I think his patronus would be a horse..and his fear..? maybe fear..like harry

Amazon
December 19th, 2005, 3:08 am
Perhaps like some one on the first page of this said, maybe his boggart would be himself cowering.. but I just had a thought that it just might be Dumbledore.. duno why though it was just a thought.

His patronus..........gorsh... On one end of the spectrum-the Snape is evil one-voldemort,patronus being your animagus form- bat

on the other end of the spectrum-the snape is good one-Dumbledore, on the your patronus being your animagus form- niffler,

on the between spectrum his patronus could be a thestral.

Interesting though that Tonks patronus was a big dog, if that was her animagus form, it seems such a coincidence that Sirius's animagus form is a dog. Runs in the family perhaps?? I wonder if Tonks animagus and or patronus form can change, like her ability to change her appearence was lost. I mean the book made it sound like it had all changed because she had fallen for lupin... didnt it? -Was that too off topic?? :p

Sebim
December 19th, 2005, 3:08 am
Interesting how Snape did not agree with Harry upon the best way to tackle dementors - perhaps this is a hint that he does not have happy enough memories to be able to conjure a patronus. Poignant but possibly true.
After Snape said this, I began to think that maybe another way of fighting off a dementor was through occulmency and legimency. Since dementors use a person's memories against them, it isn't too far-fetched that this might be his method. Especially for someone who, well, isn't exactly the happiest person or who has the happiest memories.

As for his boggart, it very well may be himself. He is afraid of being thought of as a coward, and in reference to himself, he fears that he himself is a coward. He fears himself in the respect of inaction.

Azura_Fae
December 19th, 2005, 3:48 am
I think his boggart might be him as a child.....Have no idea what his patronus would be....

morbid_fetish
December 19th, 2005, 7:58 am
his father since he use to abuse him

crystalbell
December 19th, 2005, 6:03 pm
For some strange reaso n I think his patronus would be a horse..and his fear..? maybe fear..like harry

Yeah I also think his boggart would be fear....maybe not a dementor though. as for the patronus.....if he can think of a happy memory.....a dingo or a vulture or even a hyena

AmesGDG
December 20th, 2005, 1:33 am
I like the idea that Voldemort would be Snape's boggart, but for some reason I don't think Snape fears him. I also don't think it is a Dementor, because when has Snape ever shook in fear when a Dementor was nearby? Perhaps the boggart is Dumbledore or something completely unexpected? After all, Harry's boggart was a Dementor, not Lord Voldemort like Lupin expected.

Slyth_BaibII
December 20th, 2005, 3:32 am
i thought at first that his patronus would take shape of a snake, but that would be to obvious. then i was wondering if a patronus can be a magiccal creature aswell? not just an animal? if so maybe a basalisk? his boggart would probably be voldemort.

_uh
December 20th, 2005, 5:27 am
His boggart would be the Mauraders back in full action.

Or maybe a werewolf? Considering he was almost killed by one.

_uh
December 20th, 2005, 5:28 am
Actually. I dunno. I don't know WHAT Snape could fear? He's so damn powerful...what would scare him?

Maybe him not being able to perform Occlumency?

boogie
December 21st, 2005, 7:19 pm
I think his patronus would be a spider. He lives in Spinners end, in book 5 the memory with him shooting flys off the ceiling in his room. Also in his worst memroy when he is leaving after the OWLS, Harry thinks that the way Snape walks reminds him of a spider, kind of twitchy. Or maybe he is an animagus and changes into a spider.

parvati_snape
December 22nd, 2005, 5:09 am
i agree with what some people have said earlier... his patronus would be dumbledore: the only man who ever trusted him, and the only man he really trusted and confided in and gave him a chance when nobody else did.

his boggart... maybe its voldy or maybe its dumbledore dead [like molly's] or something.

staniw
December 22nd, 2005, 11:51 am
Actually. I dunno. I don't know WHAT Snape could fear? He's so damn powerful...what would scare him?

Voldemort. And we know this because he tells us so in OOTP.

Dumbledore is an extremely powerful wizard, Snape muttered. While he may feel secure enough to use the name… the rest of us….

Leaena
December 22nd, 2005, 11:55 am
I think Snape's boggart could be Voldemort or Dumbledore. I think he is a double agent therefore if either side discovered him the consequences wouldn't be good. i'm unsure of his patronus, probably some sort of dark creature. Knowing JK it'll be something we never thought of but will make perfect sense when we see it so i'm not going to bother guessing.

schizopath
December 22nd, 2005, 12:02 pm
Probably his Boggart will be Eileen - Dead... or even... Dumbledore really dead... or maybe... Voldemort dead...

His Patronus might be Eileen's Transfigured Form or perhaps... hmm... a snake perhaps... or a slimeball full of grease (just kidding)

Renovatius
December 22nd, 2005, 3:06 pm
Snape does not seem genuinely fearful of anything, not even Voldemort (he's more respectful than fearful) perhaps the Boggart would just explode anyway?

As for being happy, come on! This is Snape we're talking about! Perhaps the dementors wouldn't bother because the man aint got a single happy thought in him! If thats the case, the same would go for his patronus, wouldnt it?

04rebhop
December 22nd, 2005, 3:44 pm
My thought is it could be either Harry or Dumbledore,for his Boggart and for his Patronus i think it might be either a snake or some sort of evil image like a devil.

coco1965
December 31st, 2005, 10:03 pm
I think Snape fears emotions. possibly never being loved. He has always maintained such a wall around himself, not allowing anyone to 'know him'.The only two people we have seen that he has any kind of personal relationship with him are both dead, and surprise! both of their deaths were caused directly or indirectly by him. How this could be personified in a boggart I don't know. As for his patronus, I agree with those who think it would be a bat. His image personifies a bat in SO many ways. He's always in a cave like environment, and now that I think of it, as an adult, have we ever seen him outside in the daylight???? If my memory serves, we've only seen him outside at night.

fawnmarie
December 31st, 2005, 10:10 pm
I think his Boggart would be himself in deatheater garb and his patronus is an eagle or some other bird of prey.

Perhaps it's a mongoose - :D

I'm on the "Snape is inheritly good side".

Sorry -

justaHPfan
December 31st, 2005, 10:19 pm
I'm going to go with bat or spider for his patronus - as we have references of both with regards to Snape.

His boggart? I don't know - perhaps the return to power of the Dark Lord? Perhaps his being found out by the "other" side (whichever that is :eyebrows:)? Maybe his boggart is himself powerless in some way as Snape seems to like to be in control.

FireKracKer78
December 31st, 2005, 11:06 pm
I think his Boggart would be himself in deatheater garb and his patronus is an eagle or some other bird of prey.

Perhaps it's a mongoose - :D

I'm on the "Snape is inheritly good side".

Sorry -
Don't be. I am to. I just temporarily hate him for killing Dumbledore.

62442al_Man
December 31st, 2005, 11:19 pm
His Patronus would be a slug, and his boggart, a woman in a vulture top hat, with a big red handbag :)
I don't know.

Baffled_Seraph
December 31st, 2005, 11:25 pm
His patronus I think would be something.... Pretty...
Yes, Snape isn't the kind you would describe as pretty, but I think he'd have like a bird. A nice bird. A mockingbird. Yes, a mockingbird.
Or most likely a spider, bat, or a raven... But I still like Mockingbird more...

His boggart... Oooh... Um.... I really don't know... I can't even make a guess. His father maybe, but I don't know if that would be his biggest fear. I really don't know...

kitsune12
December 31st, 2005, 11:27 pm
His Patronus would be a Spider. I used to think that Snape was a bird, like a Raven but since he is so tricky and helpful at the same time, he's a spider. A spider fits him and the author did describe him in book 5 as spider like. Even his job with teachings potions and knowing posions fits the Spider.
What would be his boggart? Well in Rowling's world Spiders feared the huge snake or Basilisk, so I think Snape would fear Voldemort. Or he could be afraid of Harry...I don't really know.

OddSoup
December 31st, 2005, 11:28 pm
Firstly, I think Snape's Boggart would be Voldemort. Snape maybe on his side, but many people who serve one of the most fearsome evil are afraid of their own Master's.
Alas, I think Snape's Patronus would be a Snake, if not - Something worse.

justaHPfan
January 1st, 2006, 3:34 am
His Patronus would be a slug, and his boggart, a woman in a vulture top hat, with a big red handbag :)
I don't know.
:rotfl:

lorna
January 1st, 2006, 4:21 am
I think this patronus/boggart questions would be a good one to ask Rowling again.
Events of book 6 have pretty much nailed Snape as the Medium Big Bad (LV has to remain the Big Bad, right?)in the minds of many but if Rowling still plays cute with the answer.....well then the jury still out on which camp Snape's in if any.
After all if Snape's a bad guy, little reason not to say what his patronus might be and no reason not to reveal the boggart. It's not like the Order is sending messages with them.

Defyeverything
January 1st, 2006, 6:07 am
I think Snape Boggart is his mother dead on the floor.
I just have a really weird feeling that he was close with his mom.
As for his Patronus is got to be something unexpeceted so that he could message Harry with out him knowing that it was him doing it. Cuz like someone said before we know the Order sends messages this way, as does Harry.

62442al_Man
January 1st, 2006, 6:10 am
:rotfl:

Hehe. Who knows it might be Neville wearing the red hanbag with vulture stuffed hat!

Snape is a weird little man, maybe he likes to see that stuff.

justaHPfan
January 2nd, 2006, 4:12 am
Hehe. Who knows it might be Neville wearing the red hanbag with vulture stuffed hat!

Snape is a weird little man, maybe he likes to see that stuff.
He is a strange cat, I'll give you that, but I'm not sure he'd be afraid of Neville! :lol:
I think Snape Boggart is his mother dead on the floor.
I just have a really weird feeling that he was close with his mom.
As for his Patronus is got to be something unexpeceted so that he could message Harry with out him knowing that it was him doing it. Cuz like someone said before we know the Order sends messages this way, as does Harry. I don't think Harry has sent a message via his patronus. He knows the Order does that, but he has not been taught how to do it himself. Your idea for Snape's boggart is a good one. I tend to think that Eileen Prince is dead so I'm not sure that would still be a fear for Snape. But perhaps she's not. I'm not sure why I think she is?

MarryMeDaniel
January 2nd, 2006, 4:25 am
can 2 people have the same patronus?

Defyeverything
January 2nd, 2006, 4:26 am
I don't think Harry has sent a message via his patronus. He knows the Order does that, but he has not been taught how to do it himself. Your idea for Snape's boggart is a good one. I tend to think that Eileen Prince is dead so I'm not sure that would still be a fear for Snape. But perhaps she's not.

No I didn't mean Harry would send the message, I meant he would get one via Snape, and not know it was from Snape. Thank you, and your right she might already be dead but then again she still might be alive also. One of the many things that only Jo knows for sure. :grumble:

justaHPfan
January 2nd, 2006, 4:30 am
No I didn't mean Harry would send the message, I meant he would get one via Snape, and not know it was from Snape. Thank you, and your right she might already be dead but then again she still might be alive also. One of the many things that only Jo knows for sure. :grumble:
Oh, sorry! :blush: I thought you meant that Harry had already sent a message, but now I see that you meant he's already seen them sent (by others). It would fit with the keeping of Snape's patronus secret to have him send messages to Harry "anonymously" though wouldn't Harry be suspicious and start asking around? Especially if Snape's patronus is a bat! :lol: I really don't know why I think Eileen Prince is dead - there's really no reason to think that - she shouldn't be terribly old. It's just that Snape is in Spinner's End by himself and seems so alone really. :shrug:

erzebetbathory
January 4th, 2006, 10:55 am
I know it's going seem a bit irrelevant but when you think of it, to produce a patronus you must think of your happiest memory... What woulod Snape's be then? He doesn't seem to have had a very happy life, does he?
Anyway, back on topic:
Boggart: harry (it's b/c of him that most things are happening, if he had stayed with his muggle relatives, things would have been different)
Patronus: dumbledore, only he trusted him and protected him. Snape was the headmaster's guest at hogwarts (GoF) and only the headmaster can decide who stays at the castle (OotP).

Gwendolyn_Weasl
January 4th, 2006, 11:02 am
Patronus and Boggart are the same ... are you ready?

Wait for it ....

The Dark Mark
DUM DUM DUMMMMMMMM

erzebetbathory
January 4th, 2006, 11:15 am
Patronus and Boggart are the same ... are you ready?

Wait for it ....

The Dark Mark
DUM DUM DUMMMMMMMM
hem, hem, that does sound a bit contradictory doesn't it... although I have to say I wouldn't put it past JK.... :D

BennyJoe
January 4th, 2006, 1:10 pm
Here's my hunch:

Snape's boggart -- Lily Potter :nc:
Snape's Patronus -- I don't think it'd be a snake, that's what Voldemort's would be; I wonder if it'd be a phoenix or a lion?

PoeticHeart
January 4th, 2006, 9:25 pm
Snape's Patronus: A Black panter. I think this really suits his character. Strong, proud, smart but still dangerous.


Snape's Boggart: His father. I get the feeling that his father was an abusive man towards his mother and him. Even when one grows up or the father is already dead, they still leave a big scar behind by the victim that will never fully heal. And they will always will have some sort of control over the person, making it hard for him to move on.

roach76
January 4th, 2006, 10:34 pm
I think Snapes Boggart would be Lily and his Patronus would be a serpent.

Nympha_Tonks
January 4th, 2006, 10:53 pm
Well, on the subject of his Patronus, I think it would be either Dumbledore, if he's good, or Voldy if he's bad. That would explain Jo's unwillingness to tell its shape, too.

Blood_River
January 5th, 2006, 1:09 am
Don't patronuses have to be animals? I mean, they can't be people or marks, really, can they?

JKR said no two people can have the same patronus (which is really weird if you consider the # of Wizards, but it's hard to think what would give much away. I suppose if his Patronus changed to a Phoenix (like Tonks' did) after killing Dumbledore, that would give a lot away.

For his boggart -- I think... himself. That would be really interesting.

His father -- I think that's a really good suggestion, or something to do with his parents, like the one of his mother dead (even though, I think she's already dead).

Or James. I think maybe James as a teenager taunting and mocking him would be a really fascinating boggart for a grown man.

(edit) Oh, I wanted to add -- maybe people he's killed or whose deaths he feels responsible for (like Lily & James) -- maybe even as the inferius.

magical4life
January 5th, 2006, 2:17 am
You know what is weird? I always thought of a patronus as something that fights against evil/darkness. Is that not right? Because if it is, why can evil people do them also? How can snape do a patronus(unless you want to argue that he is not evil, which is possible)? How can Voldemort do a patronus(he is most definately evil)? Anyway, i was just wondering.

I think that snape's patronus is a fish of some kind. Snape and fish just go together like peanut-butter and jelly. peas in a pod, even. Who would disagree with that? really...

I think his boggart might be himself dead (though that just might be Voldemorts) so on second thought i think it is losing and being called "coward" or whatever names they call him. That is always something that makes him angry.

(oh and by the way, i was just kidding on the fish thing...)

RemusLupinFan
January 5th, 2006, 4:22 am
Snape's boggart
This may be far-fetched, but could Snape's boggart possibly be himself? Because in a way, I see Snape as being rather insecure: the way he bullies Neville and others, the way he craves recognition in the form of the Order of Merlin, etc. Maybe he'd see himself as the next Lord Voldemort? The other possibilities I think it could be are either his father or Voldemort.

Snape's Patronus
I'd think either:

(a) a bat, since he is often described as having bat-like qualities
(b) a spider- Snape uses lies and deceit in his work as a spy all the time, and I think they might be like a mask of protection he can hide behind so that he can always be on the winning side (I envision his patronus to be this if he is working for no one else but himself)
(c) a snake, as suggested by many people: the serpent does after all represent Slytherin House, and Snape embodies quite well the qualities Slytherin prized.

justaHPfan
January 5th, 2006, 4:26 am
Interesting thoughts, RemusLupinFan about Snape's boggart! :eyebrows: