Book Five Predictions: Who Will Fall in Love with Whom?

Dessie, I think you misunderstood me

Sorry, I guess I did. The wording of your post made it sound like you were criticising people for ignoring evidence in the books of an attraction between Harry and Hermione, just because they preferred Ron.

Guess I should pay more attention. My bad.:)

And I suppose everything really has been said now, hasn't it? We'll just have to wait until June...

Originally posted by Padfoot127
harry barely talks about hermione when she's not there, not like how ron does. when harry's like we're goin to the chamber tonight, the only thing that makes ron go is the fact that hermione isn't there, he looked at her empty seat before he said anything to goin to the chamber. in book four, i think that hermione didn't tell them that she was goin to the yule ball with krum so that ron wouldn't feel bad because she knows that ron likes her but she didn't want him to feel like another famous person was being chosen instead of him, like harry and the goblet and stuff. but hermione does feel stronger for ron than for harry, because i think she feels like ron needs her for support, and she feels that harry doesn't need anyone, when he actually does, he's almost been killed 5 times. i dunno maybe hermione just pitties ron, and that's why she's mushy when ron feels sad. i dunno.

Well, OBVIOUSLY, Ron has feelings for Hermione but one thing - we haven't seen Hermione show the slightest chance of liking Ron or Harry more. Either she keeps her feelings to herself (real well) or she actually thinks of H and R as her best friends. Nothing more.

True that Hermione gets along with Harry better than Ron but that may be the personality to blame. Anyway, in the 5th book, somethin may tink between Ron and Hermione, but I have a feeling it isn't gonna be a long-term relationship. They always disagree on things. o.O

Okay I haven't been here in awhile; so early warning, this may be a little long. Sorry.:) Okay most/in fact all of this is in response to Bluemagic's last post.

Okay Blue I know you've said over and over that you're not trying to discredit anyone's else's opinions and you're just trying to show different sides of views. I truly believe you're just passionate about all this but I have to say that sometimes you do come off a tad condescending and please don't get offended. The constant need you have in your posts to define everything; such as, the story's POV, who the narrator is, what being argumentative is, the importance of symbolism, etc, is a little insulting. Unless I'm mistaken, the majority of people here are at least 16 and over. I know for a fact a good few are above 20. My point is we all know all these elements, their definitions and importance. If you have a point to make, just make it. There's no need to always refer to your placing importance on symbolism or metaphors. We'll all get the point of your argument, trust me.

Everyone here is well aware that the characters are fictional; however it's wrong to suggest that because of that we can't apply human behaviour to analyzing them. The beauty of art, whether it be music, movies, poetry, novels, etc, is that it allows for suspension of disbelief. For that short space in time we get lost in that world and connect with the characters and elements of the particular artform. That is the true mark of how good something is. Harry Potter is so popular because the reader gets lost in that world. We share the characters joys and sympathise with them. If we couldn't do that it wouldn't be as satisfying. Therefore why shouldn't we apply human thinking to understanding the characters? Don't get me wrong I understand what you're saying about having to apply such things as metaphors and symbolism but understanding of the character and thus what kind of actions they'll take, etc, is important too.

I hope noone thinks that I'm criticizing anyone who uses quotes by JK and literary criticisms to form their opinions. When I say I don't have that kind of time, I truly don't. As a Lit major I spend alot of hours searching different criticisms and opinions and studies of the particular novel I'm studying. Thus, I'm too exhausted by that point to search for info on any other thing, including Harry Potter. Besides while the books are wonderfully well-crafted, brilliantly written; they really aren't that complicated to understand.

Okay the point about Victorian Boarding schools is interesting, but I wished you had mentioned a few books because I have read alot of Victorian novels set in boarding schools, real-life, etc and I have never seen that particular formula. I agree that the Harry Potter books follow the Boarding School pattern, but I see it mostly in their school life. It was one of the many reasons I loved the books. Everything from the uniforms, prefects, houses, points being taken away and added, etc, all capture the British Boarding School atmosphere really well. However, I don't remember ever reading the orphan who falls for best friend's sister so they become brothers in law. I have read the orphaned boy alot but not the rest.

The issue of Ginny. I swear I'm starting to sound like a broken record but I hate to be misunderstood. I have always said that if Ginny developed strengths and character on her OWN in BK.5, I would love that. However, my opinions and views of the characters are based on reading BKs 1-4. I'm not psychic and therefore haven't read BK.5, so my describing Ginny as I do is because it's how I have seen her in the first four books.

Blue you talk about how Harry, Hermione, etc. all have flaws. I agree but noone ever said they didn't. However, that's what makes all these characters interesting. They're well-rounded, because they're not perfect. We see their strengths as well as their weaknesses. However, we don't know Ginny's flaws as well as we don't know her strengths. That's my point that I have said over and over; WE DON'T KNOW HER AT ALL. Percy is really what you might consider a minor character. However, based on a number of little things I can see alot of his character. Ambition being the most blinding, his reaction to Ron after they came out of the lake shows his love for his family despite his obsession with his career. The little bits about his relationship with Penelope showed a more playful and cute side. However, I can't say that about Ginny and it's a little ridiculos when you consider that she goes to Hogwarts and is in Gryffindor and is only a year younger than the three. Unlike Bill and Charlie, who live abroad, the twins who are two years older, Parvati and Lavender, who aren't related to them in any way.

I agreed with the person who said that Ginny standing up to Malfoy in the bookstore really isn't that compelling of evidence to her character. In case many forget, Parvati defended Harry to Mcgonagall in SS and we the readers are always told how stern and serious looking she is. Now considering they weren't close friends and they were all nervous first years; I'd say her defending him to such a stict professor was pretty bold and brave. Therefore, I wouldn't make such an issue of that in supporting H/G.

Ah yes, so many H/G supporters refer to that dementor scene on the train; suggesting that that is something the two share that Harry could never share with Ron and Hermione. However, what many conveniently forget is that Neville was also placed in that scene and when Harry first came around after fainting; he mentioned the two sitting in the corner. That suggests that they were leaning close to each other. By GOF we see Ginny and Neville going to the Yule Ball together. Everyone talks of subtleties, well maybe JK is building a G/N relationship right under our noses. Personally I doubt it, but I'm just trying to show how that scene suggests very little of H/G. Something else, everyone says how she had been attacked by Riddle and that's probably what she was remembering. I'm sure that true; however, people are forgetting that Harry wasn't remembering Voldemort hurting him personally but instead hearing his parents's pain. Now after learning about Neville's past in GOF, if Harry would connect with anyone based on that dementor- train incident I'd say it'd be Neville. I mean doesn't it seem pretty likely that Neville would be thinking of his parents' pain by Voldemort too? If that's not a connecting link, I don't know what is.

The whole description of the day Ginny was missing; is a little weak to me. The boy's best friend's sister was missing and pretty much almost dead. Plus Harry felt helpless(a feeling he hates), how else would he describe the day. It is also important to note that this was the second book. Harry hadn't learned that his parents had been betrayed by their best friend, sold out to Voldemort, Cedric hadn't died, he hadn't watched Voldemort return to strength, etc. If Harry referred to that day as his worst in a later book, I would find it interesting. However, considering all these horrible events hadn't happened yet; I'm sure at the time it would seem like the worst day of his life. Besides by POA, Harry was referring to the day he lost the quiddicth match as the worst of his life.

There's way more I actually wanted to say but this is WAY too long already and I'm tired. However, I want to re-interate before I end; I would be very open to Ginny growing FINALLY as a character. Honestly the first book I read in the series was COS and honestly I loved the whole Ginny having a crush on Harry scenario. I thought the whole thing was very cute and saw so much promise for that pair. However, I read and found that everyone seemed to be growing and she wasn't. There were so many opportunites to simply mention Ginny and thus always keep her close in the reader's consciousness. Perfect example; when Harry came into the common room after everyone left for Hogsmeade. When he described the scene in the room, just a mention of Ginny sitting with her friends or something would have been good. For one we'd know she actually had friends and a life, we'd still be aware of her and even if she would be invisible to Harry she'd be present in small ways to the reader.

wow.... i just started reading this post but i stopped at page 4.... here are my theories:

1) Ron and Hermione definetly have feelings for each other since J.K. said so in an interview. I have a feeling that they will get together in Book 5 but they won't be constantly together.

2) It just seems right that Harry and Hermione will be together at least once in the series. I think that Harry will briefly date Cho and they will realize that they are completly wrong for each other. And I think Hermione and Ron will break up and Hermione will be heartbroken that Ron dumped her and Harry will be sad since he's not with Cho so they will take comfort in each other. That would lead to a brief Harry and Hermione relationship.

3) Now, Ron has dumped Hermione because he felt they were getting too serious and that he wanted her only as a friend. But when he sees Harry and Hermione together he realizes that he really does love Hermione and he confides his feelings in her. Hermione, feeling the same way, tells Harry about what she and Ron are feeling. Now, both Harry and Hermione were feeling akward about their relationship so they break it off and Hermione and Ron get back together.

4) Finally, following the quote "absence makes the heart grow fonder" Ron and Hermione start spending more time with each other than usual. This leads to Harry spending more time with other Gryffindors, such as Ginny. As Ron and Hermione spend time together, Harry and Ginny get to be good friends and eventually fall in love.

5) This is how I'd like to see the series turn out :D I highly doubt any of it would happen but if I could have it my way these are the romances that would develop over the next three books, eventually ending with a Ron and Hermione marriage and a Harry and Ginny marriage.

.... this is my first time posting here! :D

And a great post it is! Wow, I can see it all happening, really well thought out.

I'm just afraid it all will not fit into the 5th book even though the thing is bigger than the 4th one. But maybe J.K. will lengthen the whole thing to leave for the next books.

With Voldemort on the rise again, do you think that JKR will have time to put in a love story(ies) in the series?

Dreamprincess, everything that JK's said in an interview is inconclusive. Yes, I know that JK said that "there's something going on", but that could also mean that Ron likes Hermione. As either lleyki or Turambar said in an earlier post, JK answers questions without really answering them. She's just sending a whole shoal of red herrings our way.

J.K. can't write just bout Voldemort. There's gotta be sometin to take things off of their minds.

Hormones will start to kick in, remember sometin like that?

Voldemort's on th rise again and is after Harry with full force.
How can anyone think of Love at a point like that?

They'll not gona be able to help it. Hehe...

Isn't that what this thread is for? :p

Too true, Max. lol

How can they even THINK about love when all this is going on...Harry can actually DIE here!!

Maybe book 7 will be something like the Return of the King in LotR. The Siege of Hogwarts :D

People, please read the topic of this thread. We talk about who will fall in love with who.

Yes, I do. How would she not have time? She's got this huge world at her fingertips, three possibly HUGE books in which to have love stories, and at the same time, killings and stuff.

Dreamprincess288 has a great idea. Sure, it could be awkward to read, but it makes sense. If we had Harry with Hermione for a while, then hopefully Hermione would spill her guts to Harry and we'd finally know WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON INSIDE HER HEAD!!! That's the only thing that would interest me in Harry and Hermione. Of the three, Hermione seems to be the only one we don't really KNOW like we KNOW Harry and Ron. We visit Ron's house, constantly hear what Ron has to say, but Hermione is usually in the library. If we finally learned what Hermione thinks, then I wouldn't mind her and Harry getting together. In my opinion, I've always seen Ron and Hermione as rather built for each other (yeah, it sounds weird, but I've been thinking about those two from book 1. Or 2...I don't remember. But I've wanted to see them together for a looooong time). Harry and Hermione only seem as though they would fall in love because they're the main guy and the main girl. Whereas Ron and Hermione, they seem like they really care about each other and...I don't really know what I'm saying. Maybe I'm just saying AGAIN that Harry should be alone, because if he ever loved anyone Voldemort would kill them and there goes the series. Harry spends his last few years moaning over his girlfriend's death...

Uhh...right? I've gone REAL confused.

First its what? H/Hr? Then R/Hr?? Or what was it again?

help...

JKR's always been able to surprise us about almost everything. She might be able to surprise us about this issue, too.

For example? Harry going out with someone new?

Maybe, or maybe Parvati Patil (I'm not pairing them up, I'm just saying that it could happen).

Anyway, I don't really think Harry's the dating-girls type.

He does tend to be real shy in that area. We may just see Harry's point of view on girls. More than his crush on Cho.

He may not do any actions, but he will certainly think about it. Cool...

Riiiiiiight ... Harry and Parvati? Parvati would give him a good kick up the :censored: if he tries to ask her out again.

I dun think Harry will have the nerve. He felt bad about not payin attention to her at the ball..

lolz...I'm not saying that Harry will actually ask Parvati out or anything, I just meant to say that JKR has surprised us before on many things, and this might be one of them.

Any relationship that JK writes won't be that surprising, as us Harry Potter fanatics would've thought up every possibility for a relationship between the characters in HP.

Yeah, those fanfic people even went for icky, gross comeouts. Yeesh.

^exactly! lol, if you read my post on the last page I pretty much wrote what I wanted to happen...

Oh yeah, I've seen (but haven't read) some of the sickest pairings ever. Hermione/Snape? Gross.

I know. It doesn't even seem funny anymore

lolz...Well, that's true, but we read the fanfics just for fun. I don't think anyone actually believes that what's happening in fanfics will actually happen in JKR's books.

Slash is even worse than that. What some people think of ... *shudder*

When I read 'normal' fanfics, I actually try to picture it, like if it really DID happen.

There were some bout H/Hr, though they were all about the last days of Hogwarts. Doesn't really help.

In that case, the book might actually surprise us with who Harry falls in love with (if he ever does).

Come ON Harry, fall in love already. Dun make me go mean. lol

I've read some H/Hr fanfics on fanfiction.net that are really well written. There's also the authors over at Schnoogle.com

lol....He DOES have a crush on Cho Chang...

No offense to Cho Chang fans but I hate her... I can't explain it much

Yeah...she just doesn't seem right for Harry (I wonder why he has that crush on her).

Harry likes Cho purely because she's pretty. Harry'll find someone who's right for him eventually. At this point, the only one I could think of who's right for Harry is Hermione.

I wondered about that a long while after the book. I so want him to get over it and find someone worthy. hehe

lol, yeah. Well, Ginny IS supposed to play a bigger role in book 5 and the other upcoming books......

Yes, Ginny will play a bigger role, but that doesn't mean that she'll get together with Harry.

Uhh...how do you know Ginny will play a bigger role in the future books after the 5th one? We dunno anytin about those.

But Ginny may play a bigger role by saving someone or dying. It doesn't necesserily have to mean that Harry will start to love her.

It doesn't, BUT there's always a possibility.

Mmm-hmm. But I still dun want it. Eh, with my luck, they'll end up together

Well, you probably don't want Voldemort to rise either? Or don't want Snape to die?

Well, Voldie rose, we can't wish him back. I dun want Snape to die

But it's not about what we want. Harry has a crush on Cho, we can't do anything about it. Likewise IF Harry and Ginny get close, we can't do anything about it either.

As I said before, if JK was going for a Harry/Ginny relationship, she'd have developed Ginny's character further. We don't see much of Percy, but we know more about him than we do about Ginny.

Just on Parvati, what about Ron and Parvati? I've always quite liked her. She's a bit fiesty and she's pretty straightforward, Ron doesn't need someone who's too complex.
People don't think alot about possible pairings for Ron outside of Hermione, as though that pair is set in stone.
A while back I had a go at thinking of who would suit Ron if you could create her yourself and came up with someone who is fun herself, enjoys his sense of humour, a bit sporty, kind and straightforward.
Surely he needs someone nice to have fun with and support him, he doesn't need someone who is always going to be smarter than him.
I suppose she needs to be someone who could grow up to be similar to Molly. Molly is in a word, kindhearted. She's fussy, a mother hen. She would have been fun in her younger days before she had to manage a huge bundle of kids. There are references in GOF to her making a love potion and sneaking out at night to see Arthur at school.
When you look at the genes that went into the Weasley kids you see intelligence, fun, loyalty, kindness.
Ron's the sort of guy who's been fussed over all his life, grown up in a big family atmosphere, had plenty of good times with his family. He needs somebody who can give him plenty of attention, since that's important to him
Sure, Hermione fusses over him but she's just as protective about Harry and Neville.
Hermione's also academically-driven, intellectually curious, with loner tendencies. She also has the potential to be the next Professor McGonagall. Does any of that sound like it suits a future Ron?
Just on things being set in stone: a comment on another thread annoyed me slightly. Someone was talking about Harry and Hermione being so sibling-like with there being no physical attraction between them and that Harry was based on an old platonic male friend of JKR's.
For a start, the trio have known each other since they were 11 and have got to know each other first as people. Ron, afterall, only noticed that Hermione was a 'girl' before the Yule Ball.
Harry has been preoccupied with his crush on Cho. He's preoccupied with his physical sensations when he sees her, the awkwardness he feels when he tries to talk to her. Which is very normal for that type of relationship. He hasn't got anywhere near analysing his emotional feelings for her versus his feelings for his best female friend.
Very probably he needs to get over the crush before he can open himself up mentally to the possibilities of anyone else.
It's hard to get excited about someone else in a romantic sense - as opposed to being able to register that they are physically attractive - when you are so aware of the affect another person is having on you. For instance, Harry took Parvati to the ball. According to Dean she's one of the two best looking girls of the year. Surely Harry would have been aware that she's physically attractive - he's not blind - yet she didn't make him go weak at the knees.
That's partly because Harry is, unusually for his age, able to look past looks but it's also because he's crushing on Cho.
That's one reason why I think Ron's reaction to Hermione at the ball was more about possessiveness than romance. He is interested in her but it was interesting that he was still going ga-ga over Fleur as well.
Yes, Harry doesn't feel any physical excitement over Hermione. Don't forget that Hermione has been more into her studies than her social life before the ball. She's fixed her teeth which has made quite a difference to her smile. Gaining the attention of Krum would have given her a confidence boost. She gets the chance to dress up and have a makeover. There was the comment that Parvati stared at her in unflattering disbelief. At least Harry's jaw drops at the sight and he forgets to look at Cho for a while. He notices she's pretty.
Harry's feelings for Hermione are about deep friendship rather than romance for now but unless JKR is dead set on R/Hr or suddenly reveals that Hermione is Harry's long-lost sister then there's potential for change.
The thing about very close long-term platonic relationships is that, in my experience, the other person has to be totally not your type physically and vice versa. You are very close friends so there's a natural affinity. It doesn't take much of a physical attraction for romantic possibilities on top of that.
What is more normal in male/female very close friendships that stay just that is that you can see at least some physical attractiveness in the other person but don't act on it, most likely because that person has someone else and you have someone else.
And just on the JKR real life example: I always thought her old friend was the model for Ron not Harry. I could well be wrong. But if you look at pictures of JKR's husband, doesn't he have a rather Harry look to him? Black hair, spectacles. He's also a doctor, which suggests he would be above-averagely intelligent.

But JKR said that we'll learn alot more of Ginny in the book 5. We didn't even know about Cedric and Cho that much until book 4.

You've brought up some interesting points there, Turambar. We could always count on you and lleyki to reenergize this long thread.

Expellioma~, JKR said that we'll learn more about Ginny in book 5, but that doesn't make up for the lack of development Ginny's received over the course of the first four Harry Potter books. Even Viktor Krum, the newly introduced Bulgarian seeker is better developed than the youngest Weasley sibling. First impressions have the most impact, and our first impression of Ginny wasn't very much.

If JK does develop Ginny, she'll have a monumental task at hand.

Maybe this is the book for Ginny, when she finally appears and we get to know her.

This can't be the book for Ginny; if there ever was a book for Ginny, it would be the second book. This is the book for the return of Voldemort, and the HP characters' relationships.

Maybe its the book where they find who they can trust and who they can't....who will fight against Voldemort and never join the dark side, no matter what. If it is, then wouldn't we get to know Ginny better?

We will get to know Ginny better, yes, but we wouldn't know her better than the other characters. I agree on the who they can trust and who they can't theory.

There will be characters in this book you've never even met before! Compared to them, you know Ginny alot more.

Book 5 will mark the beginning of the second war against Voldemort. I can't see how JK could develop Ginny's character without working against the plot of the books.

Really great post Turamabar!! I really enjoy reading yours and lleyki's!! I also liked reading Blues when she posted!!:D lol Lanni remebers the days!!

I think that Ginny will play an important role in the next book...but I think we should also stick on topic of the WHO WILL FALL IN LOVE WITH WHOM?!

I think that Ron should be with someone who is not Hermione...I agree totally with Turamabar!! I mean why do we have to pair the trio with another from the trio... I think that they should all just stay friends...maybe the odd kiss or hold hands( between Hermione and Ron or Hermione and Harry not Harry and Ron) I just think that that would be better for all three of them...it would ruin there friendship..if and HR/R or HR/H thing happens either Ron or Harry will feel like the third wheel and that would split up the trio....So I think it would be good for all of them and us for them to hit it with someone else!! And also I dont think Harry and Ginny should be a good match because, Harry dosen't really know her he also just looks at her as a friend who has a crush on him....

Maybe developing Ginny's cahracter will HELP getting on with the plot of the book.

And we know as a fact that Ginny will play an important role in the next book (i.e. we get to know her, and we=Harry)

Exactly my point, SaRaH_23_ HP.

Originally posted by Expelliorma~
Maybe developing Ginny's cahracter will HELP getting on with the plot of the book.

And we know as a fact that Ginny will play an important role in the next book (i.e. we get to know her, and we=Harry)

I don't think so... I think as Max said that devolping Ginny's character might make it more of a Ginny book then a Harry book.. I think that Harry won't like her...maybe she might mature...but he will just double take her like he did at the Yule ball with Hermione... I think that they should just stay as friends...also it would be better if they just stayed friends...by getting Harry in a relentionship and lets say it carried till the 7th book and Harry dies that Character is left alone and hurt...It wouldnt be fair for them...I know many will be hurt and sad when Harry does die exspecially us the readers...but that one character will be as hurt as Hermione and Ron shall be...I think that Harry shouldn't spend all is 7 years through Hogwarts alone but I dont think that it would be a good idea gbetting him in a serious relentionship

Also Harry looks at Ginny as his bestfriends little sister..he looks at her the way he looks at Hermione a friend nothing more...they might hug or flirt maybe even kiss but I dont think that they would be a good possibilty for a couple...because if he does die Ginny will be the one hurt the most...other then Ron and Hermione..the reason why she will is because she has been doveted to him for a long time...and also that is another reason they shouldn't get together because if they break up Ginny will be devasted and I don;t think that this would be a good thing for Ginny...We don't want her character being hurt and upset through the whole book...

Also in lleykis or Turambars earlier posts JK hasn't really built Ginny's character she has even built Goyle's,Crabbe's,Parvati,Lavender even Neville's characters better the she has Ginny, and maybe this should stay this way I know that Ginny will have an important role in the next book but I think that it won't be her and Harry getting together I think a better choose for her might be Neville or even Colin.....

I'm not really in favor of Ginny getting together with Harry, either. I'm just saying that it may happen.

I'm actually not really sure if Harry will get in a relation at all...maybe Ron or Hermione might, but not Harry. All that's going on (Voldemort rising, etc.) is directly affecting him more than it is affecting anyone else.

I think that JK wrote Harry as a boy deprived of love for a reason. Harry never really felt love before -- he doesn't know love. Because of that, if he develops feelings for Hermione, he might try to run away from it, as he doesn't know the implications of it. Harry would have to fight with Voldemort, as well as his own feelings.

Interesting point there Max. JKR made a point of mentioning how strange it felt for Harry being hugged by Molly, as by a mother. Cheers Sarah for what you said earlier.

Also Harry looks at Ginny as his bestfriends little sister..he looks at her the way he looks at Hermione a friend nothing more...they might hug or flirt maybe even kiss but I dont think that they would be a good possibilty for a couple...because if he does die Ginny will be the one hurt the most...other then Ron and Hermione..the reason why she will is because she has been doveted to him for a long time...and also that is another reason they shouldn't get together because if they break up Ginny will be devasted and I don;t think that this would be a good thing for Ginny...We don't want her character being hurt and upset through the whole book...

ginny is ron's sister. ron is harry's bestfriend. it's bad to date your bestfriend's sister. believe me. i know. and yep. it would be cruel to hurt ginny again. poor girl.

Yeah, it would be bad to date your best friend's sister. Ron would surely feel awkward (considering how protective he is of Ginny).

Originally posted by Max
I think that JK wrote Harry as a boy deprived of love for a reason. Harry never really felt love before -- he doesn't know love. Because of that, if he develops feelings for Hermionee , he might try to run away from it, as he doesn't know the implications of it. Harry would have to fight with Voldemort, as well as his own feelings.


Yes in some fanfics that I've read Ron and his brothers threaten Harry that if they hurt her they will hurt him...also I don't think that Ginny would be a good possibilty for Harry, Harry needs someone like him self...someone who he can lean on for support when the going is rough (like Ron and Hermione) someone who can lean on him. Ginny would be only leaning on him..he wouldn't get to lean on her because I think she is one of the most gullible characters in the book...she was fairly gullible in the Chamber of Secerts? I mean how many of you would start writing to a talking book...ya it would be interasting but still...

Interasting points Max....Harry did feel akward with his motherly hug from Mrs. Weasley

I think that JK wrote Harry as a boy deprived of love for a reason. Harry never really felt love before --

Your right I think that JK did write Harry like that...maybe that is one of the reasons why she made the Dursleys as mean as she made them...because Harry should be a boy deprived of love...I think that thoose are some really interasting points Max...

I don't think Ron would mind Harry dating Ginny. For one, Ron knows how Ginny is crazy about Harry. Also, before the Yule Ball Ron suggests that Harry goes with Ginny and that he goes with Hermione... I know he was asking as a last resort but if Ron was the kind of person who minded Harry going with Ginny I don't think he would have suggested them going to the dance together, even if it was a last choice. Normally if someone didn't want their best friend going out with their sister they wouldn't even mention the possibility.

Originally posted by SaRaH 23 HP
also I don't think that Ginny would be a good possibilty for Harry, Harry needs someone like him self...someone who he can lean on for support when the going is rough (like Ron and Hermione) someone who can lean on him.


The only person in Harry's life that he can lean on like that - on a regular basis - is Hermione. I love the Ron character, but if JKR is going for a realistic portrayal, then there will probably always be a small part of him deep down that resents Harry for something – even if he knows that Harry had no control over it. That's not to say that Ron isn't a good friend, but try to put yourself in Ron's position between the ages of 16-19.

1. All the girls you meet are going to want to meet your best friend Harry - the boy who destroyed Voldemort and saved the world. Being in the shadow of someone – anyone – is a MAJOR issue and a source of great conflict for anybody. You also have to take into account that one of the ways boys are told that we start to become men is when we get girls, so imagine always having your impending “manhood” undermined by your best friends fame – at least in Ron’s mind.

2. Harry never has to work to make money and for someone as poor as Ron, that's hard to take.

3. He's famous while you're just his "sidekick." [I know Ron is much more than that, but that's how he's going to be looked at by the Wizarding society unless he does something that'll garner him as much - if not more attention].

4. While you have to work hard at your Wizarding skills, Harry can conjure up powerful spells seemingly without thinking sometimes.

Now from Ron’s point of view, even though Harry seems to have it all, in reality, Harry doesn’t have much. He doesn’t have any – Parents, Immediate or extended family who like him, or many friends at school. As a matter of fact, he only has Ron & Hermione. Now subtract the one who will always harbor even the slightest bit of resentment & all you have left is Hermione.

IMO, Ginny doesn’t count as a possible girlfriend for Harry because she “looks up” to him and no relationship ever works when one person worships the other. And since JKR hasn’t made a point of saying in either PoA or GoF that Ginny has gotten over her crush of Harry, I won’t assume that she has in the two years since CoS.

If Harry defeats Voldemort, saves the world and survives all seven books [which I don’t think he will], he’ll never find a girl who loves him for who he is. He will be too famous for that. Remember this isn’t like being a famous Actor or Sports star, Harry will be someone who SAVED THE WORLD! The only girl who could possibly love him for who he is on the inside is Hermione.


Btw, I'm still relatively new to these forums, so can anyone tell me what is "Slash"? I read that it's not allowed, but I don't even know what it is. I've never heard that term used before in any other forum.

slash is homosexual fan fics

Originally posted by Mad Eye Mike
Now from Ron’s point of view, even though Harry seems to have it all, in reality, Harry doesn’t have much. He doesn’t have any – Parents, Immediate or extended family who like him, or many friends at school. As a matter of fact, he only has Ron & Hermione. Now subtract the one who will always harbor even the slightest bit of resentment & all you have left is Hermione.

IMO, Ginny doesn’t count as a possible girlfriend for Harry because she “looks up” to him and no relationship ever works when one person worships the other. And since JKR hasn’t made a point of saying in either PoA or GoF that Ginny has gotten over her crush of Harry, I won’t assume that she has in the two years since CoS.

If Harry defeats Voldemort, saves the world and survives all seven books [which I don’t think he will], he’ll never find a girl who loves him for who he is. He will be too famous for that. Remember this isn’t like being a famous Actor or Sports star, Harry will be someone who SAVED THE WORLD! The only girl who could possibly love him for who he is on the inside is Hermione.


Btw, I'm still relatively new to these forums, so can anyone tell me what is "Slash"? I read that it's not allowed, but I don't even know what it is. I've never heard that term used before in any other forum.

Really great points there! Thanks for posting them!!
Also I really agree with the points about Ginny and Harry and why it wouldn't be a good possibilty!!

[B]If Harry defeats Voldemort, saves the world and survives all seven books [which I don’t think he will], he’ll never find a girl who loves him for who he is. He will be too famous for that. Remember this isn’t like being a famous Actor or Sports star, Harry will be someone who SAVED THE WORLD! The only girl who could possibly love him for who he is on the inside is Hermione.[/ B][/QUOTE]

Uh I think JK is going to let Harry survive his seven years at Hogwarts....and prob kill him off in his 7th year:'(

I kinda really like the idea of an awkward kiss. It would be real exciting. :D

I'm not really sure who'll be sharing that kiss but I'm open for suggestions.

Originally posted by SaRaH 23 HP
Really great points there! Thanks for posting them!!
Also I really agree with the points about Ginny and Harry and why it wouldn't be a good possibilty!!

You're welcome.

Originally posted by SaRaH 23 HP
Uh I think JK is going to let Harry survive his seven years at Hogwarts....and prob kill him off in his 7th year:'(

That's what I meant, sorry if I didn't phrase it correctly.

Originally posted by chow mein
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Thanks for clearing that up. Here's another - what are "shippers"? I know that if you're a H/Hr shipper it means you want them to get together, but how exactly is that "shipping"?

She probably will...so sad..

Nice points SaRaH 23 HP and Mad Eye Mike.

Originally posted by Mad Eye Mike
Thanks for clearing that up. Here's another - what are "shippers"? I know that if you're a H/Hr shipper it means you want them to get together, but how exactly is that "shipping"?

Um i think they mean that you are shipping that they will get together...uh...it's sort of hard to explian...but I think it means you are shipping for them...uh like...if you are a shipper that OotP comes out sooner....lol...I think we all are.... Uh sorry if I didn't explain it to well!

Me confused. So, ANYWAY....

One of the real problems with the lack of development of Ginny's character over the four books is that it limits the kind of relationship there could be if Harry/Ginny happens.
Realistically the relationship would likely be defined in terms of big hero saving the girl (again). She wouldn't have the knowledge to be able to help him in a risky situation the way Ron and Hermione would.
The relationship couldn't be equal. As people have said, it would be more Harry having someone else to look after rather than him having someone strong enough to lean on sometimes himself.
Harry in GOF seems to be aware that he can't do it all himself. He knows he needs Hermione to get through the first and third tasks. Which recalls the JKR quote that Harry needs Hermione "badly". The falling out with Ron brings home his sense of isolation, how few key people he really has.
Ginny is a year behind Harry and we don't know anything about how good she is at her studies. Even if she's a wiz she's still a year behind.

Then look at the accelerated development arc that Harry has been on over GOF and the last half of POA.
1) It's noticeable that during that time he gets more comfortable about venting his emotions - especially rage - and opinions than before rather than bottling things up and trying to deal with it himself. Aunt Marge was a sign of the volcano erupting, but later on in POA his first instinct when hearing about Sirius betraying his parents is to go off and brood about it himself. He also takes a long time to tell anyone about about what he hears when the dementors get near. But then he really loses his rag at Snape, feels murderous rage over Sirius but is able to overcome it, snaps at Hermione during the time-turning adventure and the first task in GOF, duels with Malfoy, has a lot of anger over Ron and Rita's article about Hagrid. He is also able to let go a little bit at the end even though he seems to equate tears with weakness.
2) His powers and confidence have grown considerably. He learns the patronus spell, he saves Sirius' life, as a 14 year old he gets through three difficult tasks considered appropriate for 17 year olds and older. He learns a lot of new spells in training. He has the mental strength to fight the imperius curse, including against Voldemort. Mad Eye Mike said Harry can conjure up powerful spells without seeming to think. That's right: it's when he's being instinctive that he shows what he's capable of. I'm thinking the patronus by the lake, his pillow landing on Hermione's, how he accios the goblet when earlier he didn't accio the Marauders Map.
3) There's a lot of personal development as well: having to deal with falling out with Ron for over a month just when students have turned against him; the feelings of isolation he gets over that, he seems to really recognise how much he needs his friends; his crush being interested in someone else; Cedric's death and the fact that there's a strong probability he could be killed sometime soon.

Actually, Hermione has been on a similar fast-track development arc over the same period. This post is already long so I'll try and truncate it: in POA she slaps Malfoy, fetches the invisibility cloak, leaves divination; she helps save Sirius with Harry; house elves; Krum; dealing with public dislike over her relationship with Krum and Rita's articles; Ron's jealousy; learning new skills while helping Harry (against the rules); more social confidence, really loses her rag over Rita's articles over Hagrid.

I'm not bashing Ron but compare what's happened to him with what's happened to H/Hr: he bravely supports Harry against Sirius to the point of saying he'd die for him but misses out on the time-turning adventure; he falls out with Harry; gets jealous over Hermione; helps Harry with training for the third task; has a conventional wizards viewpoint of werewolves, house elves and giants; like Hermione is a good friend to Harry at the end.
This could mean that JKR is establishing Harry and Hermione as a more obvious match for each other in terms of power (like a young Dumbledore and McGonagall) or it could simply mean that Ron is overdue for some serious development himself in the next books.

If Harry and Hermione appear more advanced than Ron at least at the moment, then how much more advanced are they than Ginny?
JKR's trick to get around this could be that Ginny has latent powers left over from Voldemort which would make her more advanced than she appears.
She's going to have to spend a lot of time bringing Ginny up to speed otherwise the relationship is going to seem like the big guy with his little woman as I think IIeyki said a while back. Hard to believe she would want that for her hero.

Nice points, Turambar.

I've been wondering, with all this previous discussion, why has Cho Chang been so ignored? since she is the only person Harry apparently has a crush on.

Oh my goodness! You have done it agian Turamabar!! I really love reading your posts!!!:D I agree fully on what you have said really good points!!

Expelliorma~ your right! Why hasn't JK built Cho's character? She is the only person Harry is interasted in I think that we need to no more about her background and personality! I think that before Harry and her hook-up we should know her character better...because we and Harry don't know many things about her....

...Meaning that Cho is not gona play a bigger role any time soon.

With the Quidditch season back again? She just might.

My opinion is that Ron and Hermione have a chance to end up together since Ron was very jealous when Hermione came to the Yule Ball with Viktor Krum.So they would be the perfect example for opposites attract.

I believe Ginny's liking for Harry will cool down.But I somehow feel she will give Harry moral support in book 5.I wouldn't be surprised if she start going out with someone really unexpected.

As for Draco,I don't think he go out with Pansy.I mean she likes him I guess,but by looking at his father and mother,a lasting Pansy-Draco relationship would be most unlikely.Maybe not as mean as him,he'd want someone attractive like Fleur Delacour.Or someone with the fatal attraction :angel:.I'd also like to point out that most fanfics on the net about Draco Malfoy usually have him somehow attracted to Hermione.I'd prefer not but I still give it some consideration.

Last but not least,Harry.Harry,Harry Harry :D *remembers Lockhart and shudders*.I guess Harry has no chance with Cho this year but maybe in book 6,she might eventually get over Cedric.Yet,who knows?Maybe JK Rowling will introduce a new character.I have 'The Magical Worlds of Harry Potter' and the books assume that Harry will also become an Animagus like his father.Which got me thinking that he might end up with someone like his mother.

But didn't J.K. say that Harry will not become an Animagus any time soon?

Soon, meaning book 5 and 6?

She hinted that he may not be an animagus at all. I remembered that cause after I read Magical Worlds of Harry Potter, yes, they said bout Harry becomin an animagus and then I read the interview somewhere in the mugglenet selection. There I realized "What's goin on?", sometin wasn't rite.

I heard that JKR said in an interview that Harry wont become an animagus.

YES, thank you. He's not gonna become an animagus cause it'll take a while anyway. He's gonna have to start now to finish before he might e killed off. :D hehe

And why would he need to become an animal anyway?

lolz. You're welcome :D .

Come to think of it, Harry doesn't really need to become an animagus.

Sirius had a nice reason to become an animagus. Harry doesn't have any friends who turn into werewolfs and need support. ('Cept Lupin, but that's not the point!)

Expelliorma~ and Sarah, cheers.
Cho's function in the books appears to be as Harry's first attraction: the mystery girl he can fantasise about but never get to know. She's pretty, athletic, appears to be nice and since she's described as popular several times, perhaps has charisma as well. She's also a bit older and appears reasonably mature. It's normal stuff, part of working out who he is and what he needs. If he got to know her better he'd know the reality, not the fantasy so the fantasy bubble would burst. Such crushes just run their course.
I think Krum serves as a similar function for Hermione. He's very mysterious and inward looking, she can ponder about his hidden depths. If you're an intelligent girl like she is it's natural to be curious about someone who appears to have a lot going on under the surface.
There's a few similarities between Harry and Krum: quidditch, bravery, tendency to brood and keep feelings to themselves. There was that telling comment by Hermione at the QWC about Krum: "He was very brave, wasn't he". It's a quality she admires about Harry as well.
It's a shame about Cho, in a way, if she is just there as Harry's first crush. She had potential.

Originally posted by Turambar
Expelliorma~ and Sarah, cheers.
Cho's function in the books appears to be as Harry's first attraction: the mystery girl he can fantasise about but never get to know. She's pretty, athletic, appears to be nice and since she's described as popular several times, perhaps has charisma as well. She's also a bit older and appears reasonably mature. It's normal stuff, part of working out who he is and what he needs. If he got to know her better he'd know the reality, not the fantasy so the fantasy bubble would burst. Such crushes just run their course.
I think Krum serves as a similar function for Hermione. He's very mysterious and inward looking, she can ponder about his hidden depths. If you're an intelligent girl like she is it's natural to be curious about someone who appears to have a lot going on under the surface.
There's a few similarities between Harry and Krum: quidditch, bravery, tendency to brood and keep feelings to themselves. There was that telling comment by Hermione at the QWC about Krum: "He was very brave, wasn't he". It's a quality she admires about Harry as well.
It's a shame about Cho, in a way, if she is just there as Harry's first crush. She had potential.

Very nicely put there! You really might be right about Harry's reasons for liking Cho. I also had the same theory that if he got to know her better, he'd start to dislike her as his fantasies have to fight with reality. He doesn't REALLY know her and makes up his own Cho suitable for him, but it'll crush his heart if she'll turn out COMPLETELY different. Just a thought.

Snitch:
I don't think it's so much that Cho could turn out to be nasty.
Harry enjoys the effect she has on him from a far. The guy has been loveless since he was a baby. Having a crush on Cho is a nice sensation for him, lifts his spirits.
Actually having a date with her and a real conversation could change that because they might find they don't have much in common. Brings it down to the mundane level.
But anyway it's hard to see Cho putting herself in the position of possibly losing another boyfriend to Voldemort. Why should she.

I dont think she will turn evil also...I think that maybe once he gets to know her -this is the oppisote sortuv of you Turambar-that he relizes he has alot in common wid her and this may resalt to him pefering her as a friend more then a gf....

Maybe Cho wont be interested in Harry. Afterall, we don't know her at all, and she is older than Harry. Most girls don't like to have younger boyfriends.

Originally posted by Turambar
Snitch:
I don't think it's so much that Cho could turn out to be nasty.
Harry enjoys the effect she has on him from a far. The guy has been loveless since he was a baby. Having a crush on Cho is a nice sensation for him, lifts his spirits.
Actually having a date with her and a real conversation could change that because they might find they don't have much in common. Brings it down to the mundane level.
But anyway it's hard to see Cho putting herself in the position of possibly losing another boyfriend to Voldemort. Why should she.

I agree, Turambar. Cho just lost her boyfriend; I don't expect her to get together with Harry anytime soon, especially when she's on the verge of a nervous breakdown. I don't think that we'll see much of Cho anymore.

Maybe Cho comes to harry some time in book 5 and asks about Cedric's last moments. After that they get to know each other. Harry gets over his crush on her, and discovers that she can only be a friend for him.

Originally posted by Expelliorma~
Maybe Cho comes to harry some time in book 5 and asks about Cedric's last moments. After that they get to know each other. Harry gets over his crush on her, and discovers that she can only be a friend for him.

Really great points there!! I totally agree!! I mean they would probably be better as friends then a couple...nice points:D

I'm sure that that talk Harry has with Cho will happen too, Expelliorma~

yeah. cho's character is small. i think the reason jkr introduced cho to us is to show everyone that harry is growing up and begins to be interested in girls. but i doubt it if cho will be harry's girlfriend.

yeah i know it's an open book that harry LIKES cho. according to harry, she's EXTREMELY pretty, popular and nice. nice. not flirtatious nice but polite nice. she knows harry likes her and she's trying to be nice to him by smiling and by wishing him luck in everything he does. she's not giving him hints. she's just--nice.

it's obvious she's still in love with cedric and i don't think it will be that easy for her to forget him. cho's character is the perfect-girl-i-was-not-able-to-know-better. it seems to me that harry's just going like her from afar. he'll get over it. it's his first crush. everybody gets over it (and i hope ginny does). he'll forget her once he meets miss right.

i really hope they'll just end up as friends.

Yeah, we all get over our first crush sooner or later.

PS: Please use proper capitalisation, too_wicked.

Okay! Sorry! lol
:D

I doubt Harry winds up with Cho because JKR hasn't developed her character AT ALL. Even from Harry's point of view, all we get is that she's pretty. That's all he likes about her - her beauty. He never mentions that she's nice to him or that she has a nice personality [he's never even talked to her outside of asking her to the Yule Ball], or that she's cool to be around. No, the only thing about Cho that Harry likes is her looks. Like normal 14 year old boys, it's a shallow reason to like a girl.

However, the girl who is perfect for him - Hermione - he doesn't take notice of because she doesn't catch his eye. This is the classic case of the love of your life being right in front of your face and you not realizing it because of some superficial hangup like looks.

Harry'll learn to judge someone not just by their looks but who they really are. He may not learn in the fifth book, but rest assured that he'd come to his senses in book 6 or 7.

Originally posted by Max
Harry'll learn to judge someone not just by their looks but who they really are. He may not learn in the fifth book, but rest assured that he'd come to his senses in book 6 or 7.


Ah, but with whom will he learn that lesson with? That is the question.

Hmm ... good question. Maybe he's tricked by someone whom he thinks is good purely because of that persons looks.

Personally I think Harry's doing quite well on the score of not just judging a book by its cover.
Yes, the primary appeal of Cho is her looks and yes, it's basically a pretty shallow attraction. But I also think his impression of her was that she was nice, she made a point of smiling at him and wishing him luck for games. He also noticed that she was a good quidditch flyer and he was also impressed by the fact she didn't giggle inanely when he tried to talk to her.
The veela at the QWC only attracted him once, he quickly saw through that. He didn't make any comments like Ron's that he only wanted to take someone good looking to the ball. He only asked Parvati at the last minute when he was desperate even though she's apparently very good looking.
Besides it's very normal to be attracted to someone good looking at that age. It's part of growing up. Harry gets criticised for apparently being too noble and perfect compared to the more typical Ron so it's good that he's got some immaturities to grow out of.
There are also valid reasons from JKR's point of view for leaving it until later in the series for H/Hr if that's what is planned.
Though it's going to be harder in the movies to accept that Harry isn't 'aware' of Hermione by the time GOF gets made into a film.

Harry's doing quite well, yes, but he still has a long way to go.

God i hope he notices Hermione. He's an idiot if he doesn't.

Originally posted by too_wicked
God i hope he notices Hermione. He's an idiot if he doesn't.

I think Harry has already noticed Hermione. But not in a romantic sense. He did realize how nice her smile was when she fixed her teeth, and he was totally blown away by her at the Yule Ball. Harry notices Hermione, but it still remains a platonic, yet meaningful friendship. He simply notices, makes a mental note, and continues on. And I know some say, why would Harry notice her if he wasn't interested in her? But I think Harry mentioning Hermione's change was JKR's way of fitting in a bit of character development for Hermione. I mean the book is mostly in his opinion anyway. If he hadn't noticed, than the readers would have never known.

Harry also notices Ron fuming over Hermione at the ball. And the statement after Ron and Hermione's big arguement. I believe Harry is well aware of Ron liking Hermione, but was entirely too occupied with other matters in GoF. And since he is aware, I don't believe he'd act on any (if there are any) feelings he may develop for her.

I understand entirely the possibility of H/Hr. It is highly likely... but I don't believe it will happen. And yeah, R/Hr is obvious, and we all know that JKR usually never goes with the obvious, but who said anything would happen right away? I believe she's going to play around a bit, before anything is decidedly so. I'm still hoping for R/Hr in the end, though.

Yeah he notices her alright. But he's never actually noticed Hermione in a different unplatonic sort of way. Im not a H/Hr shipper but I can see some possibilities between them.

I know a lot like R/Hr thing. I also like that idea. Actually, I like both ideas. Ron and Hermione is an obvious match, no questions about that. They're okay. But what about Harry? I really hope it's someone like Hermione because it seems that Ron's gonna get the girl.

Harry... hmmmm... I'll never have a set idea to be honest. I can't help comparing any of the other girls to Hermione, and that is not fair to the other characters. But I admit Hermione does seem to be the best match for him, but JKR saying those two will only remain platonic keeps creeping up from the back of my mind. So, I'm willing to go with just about any idea. If it does end up being Hermione... than so be it... Ginny... okay... Cho... alright... Parvati... :wow: WHOA! But I'll accept it.

Exactly! There's really no one perfect for Harry but Hermione! The only problem is Ron. Ooh. I hope whoever she is, she's like Hermione.

Ginny? NO. Disaster strikes once that happens. It's a bad idea to date your bestfriend's sister. Trust me. I know.

Cho? NOPE! The girl is still in love with Cedric!

Parvati? WHAT?! She annoys Harry! I'd be surprised if that happens.

But, what the heck, I'm not JKR so it's really up to her. But whover she is, even if I'll be disappointed, I know I'll still love the books.

A couple of pages back I brought up the subject of whether the movies would have any influence on the future books.
I was thinking especially about the chemistry between the actors and how COS the movie confirmed my personal H/Hr preference. Tcboo made the point that JKR probably makes changes as she goes along even though the books have generally been mapped out.
Having read ship threads on other forums as well, I also wonder if JKR will take any notice of the preferences of fans.
Probably not, I guess, but it's interesting.
While this thread has quite a lot of H/Hr supporters and neutrals, most of the fan threads on this topic that I've read have been strongly pro R/Hr. A lot of readers would likely be rather annoyed if R/Hr doesn't happen. Alot of people are utterly convinced that it will happen. They're convinced that Hermione is just as keen on Ron as he is with her.
H/H is often characterised on these threads as "too perfect", "too cliched", "too boring" and "they never have any fun".
Alot of the humour in the books is between Harry/Ron, the trio as a whole, and Draco baiting the trio.
Ron comes out with teasing lines mocking Hermione, of course, but she doesn't find it funny being the target. I do think Harry/Hermione could do with more fun together, but they only seem to be alone together in stressful times.
Curiously, no one considers Ron with anyone but Hermione. But if JKR was to make a leftfield turn and put Ron with Parvati or Lavender, for instance, she could probably carry a lot of fans with her by making it funny. Fun seems to be the most important criteria for an HP relationship in a lot of fans' eyes.

Originally posted by SaRaH 23 HP
Yes in some fanfics that I've read Ron and his brothers threaten Harry that if they hurt her they will hurt him...also I don't think that Ginny would be a good possibilty for Harry, Harry needs someone like him self...someone who he can lean on for support when the going is rough (like Ron and Hermione) someone who can lean on him. Ginny would be only leaning on him..he wouldn't get to lean on her because I think she is one of the most gullible characters in the book...she was fairly gullible in the Chamber of Secerts? I mean how many of you would start writing to a talking book...ya it would be interasting but still...

I'm sorry, I have to disagree with Ginny being the most gullible character. She was ONLY 11 years old. Most 11 year olds ARE gullible.

There are still three years left in the series, anything can happen.

11 year olds are gullible? Was Harry gullible enough to accept Draco's hand of friendship. Yes, some 11 year olds are gullible, but they're mature enough (believe me, I know) to know the difference between right and wrong.

Originally posted by Turambar
Though it's going to be harder in the movies to accept that Harry isn't 'aware' of Hermione by the time GOF gets made into a film.


That's true as Emma Watson is probably going to become a very attractive young woman by the time she's 14-15 [when GoF would begin filming] and most fans will be wondering why he doesn't notice a beautiful girl right in front of him. You can't really fault the Harry character or the books for that because in reality, Emma Watson is too pretty to play Hermione. Don't get me wrong, she's great in the role, but the book describes Hermione as being "plain looking with big front teeth" and that's not Emma at all.

Of course, this is assuming that Dan, Rupert & Emma even agree to make the 4th film.

Originally posted by snitch14
She hinted that he may not be an animagus at all. I remembered that cause after I read Magical Worlds of Harry Potter, yes, they said bout Harry becomin an animagus and then I read the interview somewhere in the mugglenet selection. There I realized "What's goin on?", sometin wasn't rite.


I just wrote down what I read.I guess she might have said something else in her interviews :smile:

I'm not completely sure what J.K. said on that matter, but in general, Harry is not gonna be an Animagus. Not now anyway.

When asked if Harry will be an animagus like his father, JK just said that he won't. Besides, why would Harry need the ability to turn into an animal, anyway?

He's not turning into an animagus, why ask more?

I think that we should get back on topic here ...

^I agree Max +, so I'm gonna post a comment again that I made a few pages ago because I wanted some feedback but then everything got off topic and no one commented:

I don't think Ron would mind Harry dating Ginny. For one, Ron knows how Ginny is crazy about Harry. Also, before the Yule Ball Ron suggests that Harry goes with Ginny and that he goes with Hermione... I know he was asking as a last resort but if Ron was the kind of person who minded Harry going with Ginny I don't think he would have suggested them going to the dance together, even if it was a last choice. Normally if someone didn't want their best friend going out with their sister they wouldn't even mention the possibility.

Ron knows that Ginny has a crush on Harry, so he may have wanted Ginny to go with Harry just to make his little sister happy. Besides, it's just a ball, right? It's not as if the two of them are getting married.

I still don't think Harry's the dating type.

Why not? The characters are maturing, aren't they? Harry did have a crush on Cho; he even asked her to the ball, though she declined.

That was another thing. Harry was forced to go to the ball with a girl. If it were in his hands, he wouldn't have gone at all.

Yes, but still, Harry did ask a girl which he liked to a ball. I don't think that there are many of us who wouldn't chicken out. The characters are growing up, so they'll have their boyfriends and girlfriends eventually.

I don't see what's so wrong with Harry having a girlfriend. He's fifteen... for us that would mean that he's in highschool. That's a reasonable age to be dating, even if you are at Hogwarts. Percy had a girlfriend in the 6th year and he's even more unlikly to date than Harry.

Yeah ... once Harry gets over his crush on Cho, he's bound to find someone whom he likes.

Hey Ame!! I havent heard from you in awhile!:D I've missed you loads!!:(

I think that Harry deserves someone who is simaliar to him but still different...Not to much the same that they should more friends...

I think that Harry needs someone who will love and support him but not someone who worships him and looks up to him ( Ginny). Harry needs someone who he can lean on when times are rough (like Ron and Hermione) And someone who can lean on him...but not them all the time leaning on him...Harry deserves someone who will love and support him through thick and thin....

The only problem is how are we going to find this character??

J.K. will make sure Harry finds the perfect person...and I agree with Dreamprincess that he is fifteen and he does need a girlfriend....

Sarah, doesn't that describe Hermione? I think our search for the perfect match is over.

We're not supposed to be searching for Harry's wife. We're just supposed to be guessing who will fall in love with whom.

Harry's possible wife is who he falls in love with :p

Originally posted by Expelliorma~
We're not supposed to be searching for Harry's wife. We're just supposed to be guessing who will fall in love with whom.

I know I know- But Harry really deserves someone who is perfect for him...he dosen't deserve someone who thinks she is better then he is because she is maybe smarter, more popular, hangs with better friends....I just think Harry deserves the best in a girlfriend...look at what that boy has gone through!? He deserves as much love as he can!!

Yeah, Harry needs someone who cares for him, someone who cares for who he really is, not just for his fame. Harry really needs someone who's just right for him.

Yeah, presuming he survives Voldemort till book 7 ends, yes, he will hopefully find a good wife.

Originally posted by Mad Eye Mike
I doubt Harry winds up with Cho because JKR hasn't developed her character AT ALL. Even from Harry's point of view, all we get is that she's pretty. That's all he likes about her - her beauty. He never mentions that she's nice to him or that she has a nice personality [he's never even talked to her outside of asking her to the Yule Ball], or that she's cool to be around. No, the only thing about Cho that Harry likes is her looks. Like normal 14 year old boys, it's a shallow reason to like a girl.

However, the girl who is perfect for him - Hermione - he doesn't take notice of because she doesn't catch his eye. This is the classic case of the love of your life being right in front of your face and you not realizing it because of some superficial hangup like looks.

*cheers*

My thoughts exactly. The crush on Cho is perfectly normal for his age and just that -- a crush. He doesn't know her, the character isn't developed, and after what happened in GoF, I'm thinking Harry won't try to pursue her. I sure as heck wouldn't if I were in his situation.

I agree that Hermione is perfect for Harry. They are well matched in personality, strength of character and even magical ability. Harry doesn't see it yet, and maybe he never will. I do hope he does. My feeling based on the events of GoF is that Hermione does notice Harry. The thing is though... I agree with others that Harry does know how Ron feels about Hermione and therefore wouldn't pursue her even if he did notice her. At least not yet, not until Ron has a go or moves on. Still, I think of all the ships they are the best match for a successful, loving relationship. I think the most healthy, lasting romantic relationships come out of close, intimate friendship. Hermione understands him like no one else -- not even Ron. She is his rock. While I wouldn't like to see boyfriend/girlfriend relationships fully blossom in OotP, I think in the end, as adults, this is a perfect match.

Listen to me now, I've become a full fledged H/Hr shipper!! I still wouldn't be upset at R/H, and I always thought it the most likely scenario. However... JKR doesn't go for the obvious and R/H is OBVIOUS. I think a possible scenario is that Hermione dates Viktor in OotP, while Ron crushes, meets someone (someone fun, exciting, mischievious who appreciates him for him), gets over Hermione while Harry maybe starts to see her in a different light -- becoming a woman, someone he could deeply care for beyond friendship.

Like I said, you don't have to find Harry's wife. We're supposed to be speculating who Harry will fall in love with. Not who he should fall in love with.

Ah, but we are speculating about who Harry will fall in love with. Like someone said before, JK is an excellent character crafter -- I believe the she modelled Harry and Hermione's characters to compliment each other in many ways, therefore leading to a Harry/Hermione relationship.

I don't think Harry and Hermione relationship will last. Hermione is this bossy character who is smart and all, while Harry is this quiet character, who is an orphan, with no real family that loves him.

Hermione just suits him as a friend.

If you've read lleyki's or Turambar's posts, you'd know how similar they are. Why does Hermione just suit him as a friend?

All of you have been focusing on Hermione's character, not on Harry's character. If you focus on Harry's character more (not his needs), then the whole H/Hr thing just doesn't seem right.

I disagree. Harry is a boy deprived of privileges that every boy should have. He doesn't have a family, he's an orphan and he lives with his aunt and uncle who keep oppressing him 24/7. Despite all those, he still survives; he copes with it. That's what makes Harry special. I don't see why Harry/Hermione isn't right.

It might be right for Harry, but would it be right for Hermione?

Ah, weren't you just implying that Hermione wasn't right for Harry?

Sorry, I wanted to imply that Harry wasn't right for Hermione. My mistake.

What is right for Hermione? She needs someone who respects her for who she is, someone who won't insult her intelligence by calling her a know-it-all or something. She needs someone who shares her characteristics and is similar to her.

Conclusion: Harry is right for Hermione.

No, Hermione needs the exact opposite of her character. Someone who will lessen her tensions, joke around with her, criticise her, all the while appreciating and respecting her.

Nice post Lizard Laugh.
Agree with what you said about the best romantic long term relationships evolving from close intimate friendships.
I feel that could be one of the messages JKR may be planting in the book for the young readers of the series.
It seems to me that in the books she's got a varied range of the sort of relationships that people come across as they're growing up, and she's trying to get the younger readers to think about such things, using art as a mirror. There's a lot in the books for them.

Expelliorma~ -- I am not sure what you are getting at. People are saying who they think will fall in love with who, if perhaps by way of who *should* fall in love with who. You see, none of us has a crystal ball or magical telepathic powers that can pry into JKR's brain. People try to make arguements based on the logic of the characters. You say 'don't find Harry a wife, find who he will fall in love with'. Well, finding him a wife *is* finding who he will fall in love with. To me (as someone about to become a wife) that is way more important than a typical teenage crush (like Cho). I put forth a possible prediction -- that Harry may begin to fall for Hermione in the next book, but they won't get together until the last. Personally, I don't see major boyfriend/girlfriend relationships (especially not for Harry) until later. As in, I don't think Harry will have a girlfriend in the next book. Maybe Fred and Angelina will hook up. There is a plausible prediction for you ;)

As for looking at the relationship from Hermione's point of view... she is right for Harry, but is Harry right for her? It is an important question to ask. I think he is. Hermione is the top student at the school. She is a very powerful witch in her own right. She needs an equal (much like Harry does) and so far, we haven't seen any boys who are her equal in power and intellect (except Harry). I think they both share a certain emotional intensity and maturity of soul. Being with Harry probably means a life of danger, probably more so than just being his close friend, but I think Hermione has real stakes in this battle (being muggle born and all) and she is brave enough to fight it. Remember, in COS it was Hermione's idea to make the polyjuice potion and infiltrate the Slytherin common room when they thought Draco was the heir of Slyterin. Then, of course, there is the fact that Harry is good, virtuous, brave, etc. and so is Hermione. Personally, I think she has already fallen for him. I do think when most people talk about the H/Hr ship, they approach it from who is right for Harry. I don't think it is meant to slight Hermione or to ignore her needs. I think people frame it that way because the story unfolds from Harry's point of view. He is the main character. We know more about what he thinks and feels than anyone else because, well... that's what the books are about. Harry.

If you focus more on Harry's character, not his 'needs', I still think you can reach the same conclusion. Mad Eye Mike has made some great points there. Harry doesn't notice Hermione yet, but it is within his character to notice her eventually as they both mature. He did notice that she was beginning to look much prettier, even though he didn't notice the way Ron noticed. It is also within his character to push her out of his mind as off limits because of Ron like I said before.

I agree completely, LizardLaugh.

We don't know anything about what JK has in mind. Hermione, much like Harry is, strong enough to fend for herself. Harry and Hermione share many similarities, both in their personality and magical potential. I don't think that Hermione has fallen for Harry, but I believe that Hermione has at least begun to notice Harry. The same is true for Harry.

I'm sure that as the characters mature, they'll begin to notice each other more, but in the end, all romantic subplots in the Harry Potter books will always be secondary to the growing threat of Voldemort to the wizarding world.

I don't remember who posted this earlier, but I agree with the following scenario: Ron likes Hermione, Hermione likes Harry, and Harry is just trying to make it through school...alive. It probably wouldn't be a good idea for Harry to have a girlfriend, it would be a weak spot for him. What better way to get to Harry than through his love interest? I find it interesting that Ron's feelings of jealousy finally surface in GoF. Ron could be jealous of Hermione and Krum because he likes her, and/or because she's paying attention to another guy. After all, it was just the three of them in the previous books, and suddenly Krum walks into the picture? Also, Ron is jealous of Harry and flies off the handle when Harry's name is chosen by the goblet. He is so blinded by jealousy that he doesn't even want to hear Harry's explanation nor believe his story. Taking that into account, imagine the possibilities when Ron, finally admitting to himself his feelings about Hermione, finds that once again he's over shadowed by Harry. The test of true friendship.

:welcome: Welcome to the boards, VeelaGirl!

Yeah, that scenario's been discussed about a million times here. What d'you expect after 79 pages?

Exactly, does anyone has anything new to discuss??

Let me put up a topic here not directly related to the subject.
Was Harry happy when Cedric? Not showing it but from inside. Because he could then get a chance with Cho. He does have some of Voldemort's characteristics. He could have been. Slightly right???

IMO, he was not happy when Cedric died. It was obvious. The whole book is Harry's POV and if he was happy deep inside, it should be written there. And the Leaving Feast. When he saw Cho crying after Dumbledore's speech, he looked away. He could not even look at her. He's blaming himself for Cedric's death.

Harry's blaming himself for Cedric's death, which also means that he is blaming himself for Cho's unhappiness. Keeping this in mind, I don't think that he is happy about Cedric's death.

Yeah, I think Cedric's death put a nail in the coffin (no pun intended) on the whole H/C scenario. I think that every time he sees her, it will be a painful reminder of Cedric's death. She used to be an object of desire, now she's a picture of guilt to Harry. Not a good way to start a relationship.

I don't think Harry/Cho pairing would have gone anywhere from the start but Cedric's Death made that even more plain.

I think that we've all confirmed that a Harry/Cho relationship isn't going to happen. It was Harry's first crush. People get over their first crush sooner or later.

Later rather than sooner.

Later rather than sooner? Why do you say that?

How fast does a teenage boy get over his first crush? A boy like Harry, especially.

Pretty quickly. Some take longer than others.

An orphan, who has no real family, no one who really loves him, wouldn't get over his first crush so soon.

Originally posted by Expelliorma~
No, Hermione needs the exact opposite of her character. Someone who will lessen her tensions, joke around with her, criticise her, all the while appreciating and respecting her.

exactly! i do remember hearing J.K. say that Hermione will loosen up in the coming books and I think Ron will help her joke around for once. I'm personally not a shipper for either relationship. So coming from someone who isn't supporting either side I feel that Ron and Hermione will go together in Order of the Pheonix. Harry and Hermione have a change sometime in the future but for H/Hr shippers... I really don't think it will happen in the next book.

.... that's just my opinion so don't get mad if you disagree. ;)

Even though I like H/Hr, I do have to agree with you guys on the subject that R/Hr WILL get together since the facts are starin us right in the eye.

I'm just a little dissapointed and still hope for sometin to click between Harry and Hermione, even if not in the 5th book, I can wait, real paciently. :D

Hermione doesn't need someone to make her laugh and joke with her. Harry's enough of a joker for her taste. Knowing Hermione, Ron'll just annoy her.

Originally posted by Max
Hermione doesn't need someone to make her laugh and joke with her. Harry's enough of a joker for her taste. Knowing Hermione, Ron'll just annoy her.

i don't think so.... also, it was just my opinion.... i mean, sry to all the H/HR shippers but I don't think it'll happen.

My point exactly.

I'm not gonna be real dissapointed of what J.K. has already planned. Can't make everytin go my way.

^Exactly! I'm sure J.K. will make it so that everyone will be happy with what happens in the next book!

I agree... I won't be disappointed or turned away from the books if R/Hr does not happen. I'll just take it as, "Oh look, I was wrong Hermione and Ron don't hook up." Nothing to cry over.

And honestly, I don't know who Hermione needs... but I would like to see her lighten up. She's gradually been changing, but I know I didn't lighten up really until I hit fifteen, so reading OotP is going to be exciting for me. And I think Ron would be best in getting Hermione to release some of her tension.

In the same way, Hermione would probably be best in getting Ron to realize everything in life is not a joke.

And I'm not sure who said it, but I think Hermione could stand for a little criticism, too. The day she learns to laugh at herself, will be a great day indeed. I don't believe Ron's teasing is as bad as some make it seem. It's just him mocking her a bit. No harm in it... but she just takes it too seriously.

Harry and Hermione have personalities that are similar and so they are a good match. Ron and Hermione have personalities that compliment each other, in a comical way, and so they are a good match. In the end JKR has the last say so.

Oh, and Hi Sarah!!! :clappy: It has been awhile since I've posted, hasn't it? ;)

I think there will be alot of changes in the last 3 books... Who knows who they are all going to end up with. The way some people on here have been talking like the first person they 'date' will be thier life-long companion. I dont think it will work that way...

That's what I'm trying to say. Most of the people just might die.

And I'm not going to be sad about who JKR decides to pair up and what ending she has in mind.

Originally posted by Expelliorma~
That's what I'm trying to say. Most of the people just might die.

And I'm not going to be sad about who JKR decides to pair up and what ending she has in mind.

Are you saying that whoever Harry dates might be killed unexpectedly?

The thing is couples got married and had children during Voldemort's first reign, all the students from Harry's class and above are proof of that. That will continue. This happens during wars anywhere.

Also there WILL be survivors after that final battle in book seven. JK has specifically mentioned the Epilogue she has already written to tell what happened to the survivors.

Originally posted by Ame
I agree... I won't be disappointed or turned away from the books if R/Hr does not happen. I'll just take it as, "Oh look, I was wrong Hermione and Ron don't hook up." Nothing to cry over.

And honestly, I don't know who Hermione needs... but I would like to see her lighten up. She's gradually been changing, but I know I didn't lighten up really until I hit fifteen, so reading OotP is going to be exciting for me. And I think Ron would be best in getting Hermione to release some of her tension.

In the same way, Hermione would probably be best in getting Ron to realize everything in life is not a joke.

And I'm not sure who said it, but I think Hermione could stand for a little criticism, too. The day she learns to laugh at herself, will be a great day indeed. I don't believe Ron's teasing is as bad as some make it seem. It's just him mocking her a bit. No harm in it... but she just takes it too seriously.

Harry and Hermione have personalities that are similar and so they are a good match. Ron and Hermione have personalities that compliment each other, in a comical way, and so they are a good match. In the end JKR has the last say so.

Oh, and Hi Sarah!!! :clappy: It has been awhile since I've posted, hasn't it? ;)


Really nice points ther Ame!! Im glad Im hearing from you! It has been along time!!

What we need is a post from Blue to tell us what we should think!lol! Blue will make everything set straight!!hehee
Really nice points ther Ame!! And everyone!!:D

I think that we should just wait and so what JK has planned even though it is fun guessing all these:rollyeyes:
;D ;D ;D :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Expelliorma~
An orphan, who has no real family, no one who really loves him, wouldn't get over his first crush so soon.

If he'd known Cho better, I might agree. But one could argue that since he knows the difference between the genuine loss of a loved one and a simple crush he wasn't all that close to anyway, he'll be able to get over it more quickly.

I LOVE guessing and discussing the upcomings...anyway...


Ok, do we all agree that Cho will not play any bigger role than she has now?

Yeah, I think that we all believe that Cho will not play any bigger role than she has now. Harry may still see her at a Quidditch match, but JK has eliminated any possibility of a Harry/Cho relationship.

And did anybody notice that J.K. hasn't said a THING, even a TINY, LITTLE hint, of Harry's new love?

We can safely say Cho is out of the picture. She is a year older than Harry so she'll be what, in the 6th year rite? She has a lotta homework to do and whatnot, also grievin over Cedric...

Even if Harry will have the guts to try and make sometin of his crush, Cho will probably be already taken by some other guy, she ain't gonna be single forever.

Harry, move on, get someone more close to you. *wink*

Maybe JK has...

Viktor Krum said that Hermione talked about Harry a lot; there was the late-night practice sessions for the Triwizard Tournament, and of course there was that kiss at the end of book 4.

That kiss could be taken either way. Hmmm ...

Voldie?:??:
Anyways, I believe that Harry and Hermione would be best together. I know most people disagree, but one could start to see that Hermione has a crush on Harry.

I could definitely see something like Harry and Hermione together causing some type of fight again between Harry and Ron, but in the end, they'll all be the best of friends.

As for everyone else...who knows? I'm sure Ms. Rowling has numerous other characters she hasn't yet introduced and I know that if she will pursue relationships such as these in her novels, I'm sure that she'll set all of her characters up nicely.

And, once again....Voldie?

I think it will be Ron and Hermoine

What about Voldie?

Originally posted by kaitco
Voldie?:??:
Anyways, I believe that Harry and Hermione would be best together. I know most people disagree, but one could start to see that Hermione has a crush on Harry.

I could definitely see something like Harry and Hermione together causing some type of fight again between Harry and Ron, but in the end, they'll all be the best of friends.

As for everyone else...who knows? I'm sure Ms. Rowling has numerous other characters she hasn't yet introduced and I know that if she will pursue relationships such as these in her novels, I'm sure that she'll set all of her characters up nicely.

And, once again....Voldie?

Voldie is short for Voldemort.

Ooh, I didn't understand what they were askin bout Voldie... hehe

Originally posted by Max
Are you saying that whoever Harry dates might be killed unexpectedly?


Sort of. If Harry finally ends up dating someone (which I still don't think will happen any time soon), it's not necessary that the person will survive till the end of the 7th book.

Yeah, it's possible ... but it would mean that there's a spy at Hogwarts. Draco Malfoy? One of the teachers? How else would Voldemort know who's Harry's girlfriend?

but that's so sad! poor harry, will at least SOMEONE that he loves survive?

Perhaps ... in the 7th book.

i wonder who'll survive...

There can be a spy at Hogwarts, but not necessarily, Harry's almost always the topic of discussion in the school, if not, then his dating a girl will definitely be discussed a lot by all the girls at Hogwarts who have crushes on him, and things like this always spread like wildfire.

Ofcourse someone will be left in the end whom Harry loves...JK isn't that cruel-hearted.

You're right, news at Hogwarts does spread like wildfire. But there must be someone to report it to Voldie, right?

Yes, Voldie will hear the word. He CAN find out in his little ways...

Yeah, I can just see it:

Oliver: Psst, Angelina! I've heard that Harry's new girlfriend is [insert name here], but don't tell anyone.

Angelina: Hey, Fred! Harry's new girlfriend is [insert name here] but don't tell anyone.

Fred: Malfoy, have you heard that Harry Potter's new g/f is [insert name here]?

Draco: Father, Harry Potter's new g/f is [insert name here], but don't say a word!

:p

Ooooh, that's rite! Good ol' Draco will spread the word to his father!!! No wonder Voldie will know.