Book Five Predictions: Who Will Fall in Love with Whom?

LOL! Petiphile! that would be funny but scary at the same time... i mean, poor Fluer! And knowing Snape, ah, im to scared to mention what he might do. Maybe brew up some sort of love potion??? Who knows!

lol, that is a good idea min!

I hope Fleur and Bill Weasly fall in love. I want to see Snape fall in love with someone and have something horrible happen, and everyone finds out. I don't want to see Harry with any girl but if it's anyone I hope it's Ginny Weasly. After all, playing a bigger role in Book 5, who knows? And I sure hope Hermione :love: Ron, after all JK's written about the two of the how could they not?

I doubt Fleur will fall in love with Bill Weasley. I mean, he probably wouldn't be around. And if she did fall in love with him, I doubt JKR would say much about it in the story, as the story is about Harry, Ron, and Hermione.

I agree with Tom, if any secondary characters fall in love it'll barely be mentioned.

Okay to go back to the main characters. I have to say that I think it's more likely that Harry will end up alone; because Hermione aside none of these other pairings make that much sense to me.
Cho to me serves the purpose of simply making Harry's character more realistic. He's a fourteen year old boy for crying out loud, he must be noticing the opposite sex by now. I mean Cho is like that perfect teenage boy fantasy; beautiful, popular,sweet, smart and she's even an athlete. I mean the girl's pratically perfect. However, characters like that usually work better in one's fantasy; because the real thing is almost always not as good as the fantasy. Plus when Harry was underwater and worried about the other hostages, the first person he reached for was Hermione, even with Cho there. This shows that when push comes to shove, Hermione means alot more to Harry, and he doesn't even have romantic feelings for her. This just simply shows that Harry's feelings for Cho are simply surface level because he really doesn't know her at all.
Which brings me to my next point. The most popular pairing after R/H, that of Harry and Ginny. I'm sorry but if Harry suddenly starts to like Ginny, because Ron and Hermione get together, it would seem to me as nothing but convenience because Harry is now a third wheel. I know some people think Ginny's feelings are so romantic; but I honestly don't buy these deep feelings she has for Harry. I truly think Ginny is more in love with what Harry is than him personally and one can hardly blame her. Harry is in many ways that perfect romantic hero. He's loyal, brave, handsome, and sweet to people. Plus, he saved her, a girl can hardly forget. However, truthfully has Ginny ever actually had a real conversation with Harry? I mean she liked him even before she actually met him. Just like Cho is Harry's fantasy, so is he to Ginny. That's why the only pairings that really make sense is R/H or H/H, because these three all know each other so well. There is an amazing bond there. That's one of the weaknesses of the books also, these three spend so much time together, they hardly know anyone else(i mean other students). Look at how Harry was surprised at the fact that four years of sharing a room with Neville and he never thought to once ask him why he was living with his grandmother and what happened to his parents.
Finally there is the fact that Harry really never thinks of Ginny as anything but Ron's sister. Truthfully, the way Harry refers to Ginny, one gets the impression that she is someone who's just there as part of his world but not really that central. Almost like Percy. That might sound harsh but I'll give an example of what I mean; Harry described how most girls looked at the dance, mentioning how pretty Parvati, her sister, Fleur and even Hermione looked. The only time we remember Ginny was actually at the dance(since we see through his eyes) was when he mentioned that they were dancing nearby and she kept wincing because Neville was stepping on her toes. Also before Ron had finished telling Ginny to go with Harry and she said she couldn't; he was looking at Parvati to ask her. He didn't feel any weird way of even the possibilty of going with Ginny and he knows she likes him(everyone knows). Truthfully Harry's probably just flattered by Ginny's feelings but that's it.
Now to convince us of any real feelings between them, there would have to be alot of time suddenly spent together and I don' t see that happening; seeing as Harry might be otherwise occupied with a psychotic wizard who wants to kill him.

Wow, you've said more in that one post than what I've said in my last 20. Anyway, I think that Harry and Hermione are a perfect couple. It's obvious that she likes him, and I think he likes her as well. H/H all the way.

I don't like the idea of Harry and Hermione together. They are too serius when they are alone. Hermione needs someone who makes her laught, someone who argue with her. And at the moment this person is Ron.

Ah, she needs someone of her skill level. The only ones in the sc hool that I've noticed are Harry and Malfoy, and currently, Malfoy is probably out of the question.

From lleyki

Now to convince us of any real feelings between them, there would have to be alot of time suddenly spent together and I don' t see that happening; seeing as Harry might be otherwise occupied with a psychotic wizard who wants to kill him.



Ginny meant to be playing a bigger part in book 5, so you never know. But really, I agree with you. Harry sees Ginny as a friend, nothing else (at the moment that is).

From Min
I don't like the idea of Harry and Hermione together. They are too serius when they are alone. Hermione needs someone who makes her laught, someone who argue with her. And at the moment this person is Ron.

Harry and Hermione don't really laught together because they are hardly alone. They do laugh when they are in a trio, but when it is just two of them, they don't. Reason, not because they can't make each other laugh, it is just that when they are alone, it is times when things starts to happen. Two examples, Buckbeak (is that how you spell it?) and the first task of the tri-wizard tourniment. Both times they were alone, but both times they were both worried. First was because of Sirius and second was that Harry didn't want to get himself killed, and he was stressed because one of his best friend was against him. It is like the situation that Hermione was in, in PoA. I would love ot see some lighter moment of Harry and Hermione together. Not neccessary romanticly, but I would love to find out lots more on, Hermione. Maybe Harry could go and stay at her house or something....

For Ron and Hermione, that is a sure thing and it probably happen before anybody relises. They are now 15/16 years old and they see each other for long periods everyday, also taking account that their hormons must be un-controllable. Something must happen between them sooner then later. Maybe they will get together at Halloween, since things happens around that time. People have said that their relationship is like a love hate relationship, like a married couple. This I think is true, but how many relationship last if this is the relationship??? Well, over 50% (I think, or maybe more) marriages end with continuing arguements. The rate Ron and Hermione goes, they wouldn't even last a minute, let alone the rest of their lives. I strongly believe that their relationship will end!!!

Also, for all those Harry and Hermione shippers, well it could happen, it might not happen. Hermione, I feel likes him. In GoF, she was talking about him to krum and krum actually thought something was going on. Yeah, you might argue that krum could have talked to Ron as well, but the way Ron was feeling about Krum, he would have loved to tell someone and get one over Krum. But if Harry and Hermione are meant to get together, something has to happen to Harry to change his feelings towards her. There was a quote from JKR once on the CBBC Newsround Website saying that "Harry will take more of an interest in Hermione" in later books. I can't find the page of it since it is deep inside the website, but if you go www.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews , you probably will find it somewhere.

I bla on a bit, haven't I. I will stop here!!!

Funny, I read a quote from JKR saying Harry and Hermione are purely platonic. She also said something IS going on between Ron and Hermione (he just doesn't know it yet). So going by what she's said, I'd say a R/H pairing is more likely.

I'm a H/H shipper, too. I've thought a lot about it (maybe too much) and I decided that a R/H ship is cool for now, but at the end of the series, Hermione should end up with Harry. Provided they're both still alive, of course.

I like Harry and Hermione because I think that Hermione really likes Harry, and I think he likes her as well. As for Cho, I think he just likes her because he thinks she's hot, and not because of her, so if he does go with her, I doubt it would last.

Now to convince us of any real feelings between them, there would have to be alot of time suddenly spent together and I don' t see that happening; seeing as Harry might be otherwise occupied with a psychotic wizard who wants to kill him.

I think that Ginny will be spending a lot more time with the trio. In book four Hermione and Ginny became very close friends I think someone mentioned how Hermione only trusted Ginny with her secret of going to the Yule Ball with Krum. Ginny and Ron have a good brother/sister relationsip, its not like they yell and swear at eachother (like me and my brother!), you see this when Ginny is comforting Ron after he asks Fluer to the ball. I think that she might join the group or certinally become a lot closer to the other three. Then Harry and Ginny will start to talk to eachother and maybe begin to develop feelings for eachother.

Also in the fourth book, Ginny stops blushing everytime she sees Harry:crush:and can actually talk to him, yet she still fancies him. This may shows that her crush is developing into something more serious :) :D

Ron and Hermione all the way! I also don't think that Harry and Ginny will get together any time soon as I think she's gonna be the one to die in book 5 (this is a new idea for me and I'm still kinda conflicted about it, so don't eat me alive ;D). I think Harry will prolly end up alone, poor boy.

Oh this is really fun! Despite of the fact that JKR herself and Columbus confirmed the “blossoming romance ” between Ron and Hermione and the “very platonic friendship“between Harry and Hermione, some (or most?) are still doubting about this. Why they are making it obvious, anyway? As I’ve said before, HP books are NOT romance books. They are fantasy/Adventure stories. Romances in her books doesn't seem for JKR as vital parts of the story- they're actually fairly trivial. She just put romances to add a little bit glitter to the story. As she quoted “Let no one say my books lack realism “.

I am not trying to sound intelligent or sound “know-it-all” but I definitely agree that something’s going on between Ron and Hermione. This is not an issue of “I like Ron to be with Hermione or Î like Hermione to be with Ron”. But as I read the book, it goes that way. When JKR said ““something's going on," but Ron doesn't realize it yet. Typical boy“ and “The answer to that is in Goblet of Fire!“ when asked if Hermione likes Ron as more than a friend. I interpret her lines as “Ron likes Hermione but it will take a Krum to realize this, Ron doesn’t know Hermione likes him” …which is a very typical boy thing.“ Her “Everyone is in love with the wrong people”“ reply is “also true“because she created “conflict and irony“ in her story by creating the characters of “Krum and Fleur“. I can’t help not to smile to be able to track this point because romance wasn't my main concern when I read the book. But just the fun for tracking. For us readers, to be able to see what JKR’s trying to imply to us, it is not enough to read and remember one or two situations to justify this. But JKR is brilliant and very tricky. Something is written in later chapters you need to understand the early chapters . I have to consider also the time of event in evry sitution. Any even the sitting arrangement of the trio! I will post my assessment to explain how I did understand the romance angle in HP after I make the article shorter. But to those, who wanted to figure it out again for yourself ( it took me two days), granting the fact of JKR’s tricky techniques “like what she did in Quirrel’s presence in the Leaky- Couldron only to find out later that he’s after the Philosopher’s Stone” and “ the newspaper with the Weasley’s and scabber” in front page or ”He’s at Hogwarts line” only to find out later the connection with Scabber and Sirius” style, you need lots of analysis and connections here. She did it also the same in GOF even in romance.! I suggest you take down “all” the events with Veelas/Fleur. This is important because JKR is showing us that the Boys are start noticing other girls (large deep blue eyes and very white “teeth”) . Ron, Harry and Hermione together, Harry and Hermione. and take note all Hermione’s comments and reactions(handsome and famous terms ). Take note when Hermione blushes.which is very unHarmione-like. Considering it is written from Harry’s POV, take also to consider to ask yourself why JKR place this scene , dialogue or person in that particular section which will help you to analyze later.


Good luck!


As for JKR's “ very platonic friends.“ reply regarding Harry and Hermione “ But I won't answer for anyone else!" Nudge nudge, wink wink.“ She is also “not lying.“ It is how I understand their relationship. Never I found a single indication implying for a roamnce between these two. This has nothing to do with shipping but just how I understand it. Anyway,Once I’ve posted my article you will understand it better why I said so. But to those who are still giving the doubt. Let’s us define Platonic friends.

Platonic friends mean “without“ any romantic involvement. Platonic friends will often share lifestyles, standards and values, respect and compliment each other, make each other feel good and provide stability. Platonic friendships to continue, both friends should exhibit a”“ high level of maturity”“ . It is possible to feel jealous when your friend gets romantically attached to someone else. It doesn't mean you are in love with your friend. You should deal with the emotion realistically and if you believe yourself to be a true friend, then you should get to know your friend's new love.Allow them to have their time alone and realise that now your friendship with this person will change as it accommodates the new development in his/her life.


;)

. Originally posted by lleyki
Also before Ron had finished telling Ginny to go with Harry and she said she couldn't; he was looking at Parvati to ask her. . .

I think you read this part quite not right.

GOF(UK edition), chapter 22, page 438
I can't, said Ginny.....
Ron goggled at Harry.
"What's got into them?" he damanded
But Harry had just seen Parvati and Lavander come in through the portrait hole. The time had come for drastic action.

Originally posted by Springy
Harry and Hermione don't really laught together because they are hardly alone

I believe it is not necessarily that two people should be alone together just to have a good laugh.To provide laughter to other person has no condition. In Harry's and Hermione's case, it has something to do with their personalities why they seem don't enjoy each other's company if they are alone together. That is why for me, absence of laughter bwetween the two of them is one the reasons why I think they are not right for each other as romance couple. I suggest you to read this (http://www.sugarquill.net/index.php?action=goodshiprh&st=angua) to understand better what I mean.

Originally posted by lleyki
Where are the overwhelming evidence that Hermione likes Ron?


The brilliant JKR made this tricky(?) for the readers to recognize this but as I've said it needs associations from one person to another, one event to another to recognize this. Yes! I believe and I see that Hermione likes Ron. As what JKR said that "there's something going between them" and it is the way I understand the book too. This has nothing to do with R/H shipping just base on events found in the book. I hope you 'll be patient enough to wait for my next post explaining this.

Just to give some hints to start with. Look for

GOF- UK edition, Chapter 8, The quidditch World Cup, page 117-118
GOF- UK edition, Chapter 9, The Dark Mark,page 142
GOF- UK edition, Chapter 16, Goblet of Fire, page 277-278
GOF- UK edition, Chapter 16, Goblet of Fire, page 289
Oops! I'm using paperback.

;)

Bluemagic, you have good evidence! I love reading your posts!

I don't think it could be possible for Ginny and Harry. I just don't think he likes her like that.

Originally posted by bluemagic

Just to give some hints to start with. Look for

GOF- UK edition, Chapter 8, The quidditch World Cup, page 117-118
GOF- UK edition, Chapter 9, The Dark Mark,page 142
GOF- UK edition, Chapter 16, Goblet of Fire, page 277-278
GOF- UK edition, Chapter 16, Goblet of Fire, page 289

;) [/B]

I think I see your point. I didn't consciously notice the romance in the books when reading GoF, though it all seemed to fall in place once I saw the CoS movie. Alas, I have the US versions of the books, so I had to do a bit of digging to find (what I *think* are) the spots you mention above. (I didn't realize the paging was so different between the two versions :().

Originally posted by Tom Marvolo Riddle
I don't think it could be possible for Ginny and Harry. I just don't think he likes her like that.

Yet. :) There's still a lot of time for him to realize that she could be a good match for him. But I think he's gonna learn that lesson the hard way...

And bluemagic- DarlingChild's right! You have great posts to read! :) You've really done your research on this, haven't you?

So, what do you guys will think will happen to rest of the Weasley's? Do you think Percy will get with Penelopy (sp)? In a way, I hope Fred and George get with Katie Bell and Alicia Spinnet. They would make the cutest couples!

I would put my money on a pair that no one would have suspected

like maybe Draco and Hermione??

He makes fun of her a lot, and thats what boys always do when they like a girl, well, the Immature ones anyway and lets face it Draco is immature

but hey lol

no way!!

draco and hermione will NOT match.

He hates her, she hates him. he calls her mudblood, she calls him a coward.

can you actually it happening, coz i know that i can't?

Originally posted by go_anna40
no way!!



He hates her, she hates him. he calls her mudblood, she calls him a coward.



thats exactly why i can see it happening

well. i can't. Draco's arch enemy is Harry. one of Harry's friend is Hermione. therefore, it kinda makes Hermion, Draco's enemy.

and anyway. totally different people. i bet you've read a little too much fanfic

Come on xxCeceliaxx theres a difference between making fun of and calling someone the worst name in the wizarding world. They will never get together, I think Herimone would rather take no other classes than Divination before she would date Draco!

*blah*

Draco and Hermione will never ever get together. It is too far-fetched. Draco maybe smitten by Hermione at Yule Ball but the last thing Hermione will ever do is to like him in return. She hates him. You never see Hermione hates anyone except him and Rita. She don't like people who insults her and Draco is one.

Ron obviously like Hermione but he does not know it yet. He thought he treat her as a friend, in actual fact, he likes her but refuses to acknowlegde his feelings. Hermione may or may not like Ron. It is not very obvious except for the ocassional scowling. The scowling like many people had said, it may also be for Harry.
Harry and Hermione may remained platonic, we can't deny the fact they may have feelings for each other but realise they were not meant together and thus remains platonic.
About R/H
For those who had seen the interview with JKR on TV, you will know that JKR sees herself in Hermione and sees Ron in one of her very good childhood male friend whom she dedicated book 2 to. I always wonder, does it means that JKR likes that male friend (but that male friend never realises it and thus becoming a typical boy) and thus she wrote it in her books or that male friend likes her but does not realise it and does not want to say it (though it's very obvious) and JKR is too shy to ask him to express his true feelings. THus, she thought it will be fun to write it in her books. JKR always uses people that she knew in her books.
So if you really want to know, just check out that interview and see who display a greater affection for one other (or both) and we will knew who will end up with who.
Note: I know JKR is happily married but it is not wrong for her to write her childhood love. Heheh.

I think Herimone is standing on that edge that you can be when know with one step you can fall in love with a person. All she waits for is that sign that Ron actully feels the same way...

Draco and Hermione - not going to happen.

Ron and Hermione - probably going to happen

Harry and Hermione - should happen.


Oh and Ianifiel - enjoy you the rugby at the weekend?

Originally posted by DarlingChild
Bluemagic, you have good evidence! I love reading your posts!

Originally posted by Apples
And bluemagic- DarlingChild's right! You have great posts to read! :) You've really done your research on this, haven't you?


Thank you very much!:o Let us just say, I've almost memorized GOF after reading it for the nth time while waiting for OoP :( ( JKR, please!please! bring out book 5 now! :)


Anyway, as I always say, this is not a question for me whoever 2 people I like to end up with. Whatever I write are just based from what I read and how I understand it. I'm dealing it logically. I don't like to mislead and later convinced myself if I will keep my emotion to rule while reading the book. Aside from the fact that HP books are NOT romance novels, it's not my initial concern and JKR already confirmed about blossoming romance in her characters specially the R/H.Why bothered? But, since it is a HOT topic and lots of doubts about this,especially the R/H , I got interested as well but I try to deal with it in a logical sense. As of GOF, I see Ron and Hermione particularly starting to have " I like you" feeling. I understand and respect those who have other shippings especially the H/H. It's normal to react or feel disappointed about my perception. I'm not proving anything but what I'm trying to imply is that is how I understand the book. ;)

Unfortunately my article is "not yet fully compressed" (14 pages in word document) about why I came up and convinced that Hermione likes Ron (as the way I've understand it. JKR made it complicated). I've noticed we're having different book editions so I still have to write the passages for better explanation and support. :( Again, I don't want to give an impression that I am intelligent or know it all character.Let's leave that to Hermione:) I am just an ordinary and simple HP books reader. :o


In the meantime, while I'm working on it, I will just make other inputs which I think will help others to have larger perceptions.


Originally posted by lleyki
When Harry and Ron got out of the lake; Hermione didn't say " are you two okay?"


I think you read this part quite wrong after Harry and Ron got out of the lake.

GOF- UK edition (paperback),Chapter 26, The 2nd Task Page 549-550

Percy seized Ron and was dragging him back to the bank. (‘Gerroff, Percy, I’m alright!’) Dumbledore and Bagman were pulling Harry upright…..
…..
‘Come here, you, said Madam Pomfrey’s voice; she seized Harry and pulled him over to Hermione……
“Harry, well done!” Hermione cried. ‘You did it, you found out how, all by yourself!”
‘Well – said Harry….
‘You haff a water- beetle in your hair, Herm-own-ninny’, said Krum.
Harry had thte impression that Krum was drawing her attention back onto himself: ……


We can see that, Ron was not there when Hermione was talking with Harry. She can't ask that question. Some might wonder if Hermione worried about Ron too during the event. Well, Yes! aside from the fact, he is also her friend (it is a normal feeling) and she said so.


GOF- UK edition (paperback), Chapter 27,Padfoot Returns, Page 559.


“Well, I was too busy seeing whether you and Harry were ok to “-



Originally posted by lleyki
Instead she was too busy squealing and being proud of Harry for figuring out how to get in the water by himself. Then she was worrying about why he took so long; she was spending so much time over him that Harry makes mention of Krum looking bothered and trying to get her attention back to him.



Hermione should really be proud of Harry figuring out by himself. :) She really should. I don't see any romantic implications here. Considering the fact that during the last five weeks before the second task, the three of them, Harry, Ron and Hermione, searched through their lunchtimes, evenings, whole weekends" (page 526) just to figure it out but found nothing.They've separated the night before the next task without any solution and meet again already right after the task. It's a normal reaction.

For a moment, I found it funny hearing these lines from Hermione. It could be also a form of teasing or disbelief.Knowing her character and Hermione's aware of her character too, the know-it-all (remember when every one had called her know it all at least once a week and Ron at least twice a week...PoA page 187 for her not to know that:) ),She's the one who always provide Ron and Harry brilliant researches and has ever ready answers to all academic questions. It's really a surprise for her that Harry found it by himself without her academic help which is very unusual. :)

JKR placed the beetle again(2nd time already) in this part for us to see as a hint that will understand the connections in the later chapter.

As for Krum, I will reserve my explanation in my article. My post now is getting longer already.:)

I am actually surprised to read qoutes which are used as proofs in a weak way. As I've said one or two qoutes are not enough. Little passages found somewhere in the book are needed to see the connections which I believe really difficult to track. And they are not even written in consecutive manner! Well, what do I we expect from a tricky and brilliant writer like JKR?



Again to those who are figuring Hermione likes Ron, these are hints to start with.

Sorry, Mickey I can't write the whole event here, that is why my article is long because I still have to write them all.:(
I am using GOF-UK edition (paperback)

GOF- UK edition, Chapter 8, The quidditch World Cup, page 117-118
GOF- UK edition, Chapter 9, The Dark Mark,page 142
GOF- UK edition, Chapter 16, Goblet of Fire, page 277-278
GOF- UK edition, Chapter 16, Goblet of Fire, page 289.

Here's a new one. To all R/H, I can see, you will smile after reading this. ;)

GOF-UK edition Chapter 19, The Hungarian Horntail, Page. 349

Read what Harry asked Hermione that made her "went slightly pink" which is very un-Hermionely like. :D This part made me start to suspect about Hermione.;)

Enjoy reading and have a nice day to all!.:)

Okay I find all these romantic things quite trivial and hopefully this post will say exactly how I feel; so I won't have to discuss this again. Unless somehow these romantic couplings affect the plot, they're really not that important. However for the last time;
I never said I didn't think R/H wouldn' t happen. My first post stated that whatever happened would be fine because JK is such an amazing writer it would all blend beautifully. My simple observations from reading was that while Ron's feelings were obvious to me, Hermione's weren't. Bluemagic I'm impressed with all the time and observation spent in examining all the subtleties of what you see as signs of Ron and Hermione's feelings for each other; but I don't have that kind of time. Besides, why all the subtleties for Hermione's feelings(such as sitting arrangements, etc) when Ron's are made so obvious? If the relationship isn't as central as some say; because apparently this isn't a romantic series; why not just make them liking each other so obvious on both sides? I mean it's not like Ron and Hermione liking each other is going to have such a profound effect on the series. I mean if they get together in the fifth book, good for them, now let's concentrate on getting rid of the psycho Voldemort. I mean what's the point of all this subterfuge with Hermione's feelings? All that said, I'll stand by what I've said; I don't see Hermione's feelings for Ron as so obvious like some say. That is not to say that they will not get together or they will. I mean he certainly likes her so why shouldn't she return the feelings. Oh and Bluemagic I have the American version of the book so I suggest you actually quote these examples because I'm not searching for hours to figure out what you are talking about.
Now my other opinion on Ginny. I know apparently she'll have more of a part in Bk.5 but again that couple is just not convincing to me. I'll be completley honest; I find Ginny quite a boring and uninteresting character. Even in Bk.2 when she was a victim she wasn't that interesting to me. Even Percy has more of a personality. I mean honestly, think about it, all she does is hang around, pine after Harry or once in awhile say something sweet. I would like to say that I don't hate her or want her dead in Bk.5(like some people with Cho). However Ginny has yet to show an inkling of the kind of character that someone who ends up with Harry in my opinion should have. Harry goes through so much and has so many emotional demons that he needs someone with immense strength of character; which Ginny doesn't seem to have. All the people who say he'll notice her in Bk.5; wow when he's two friends are now together. How convenient. I 'm sorry but that relationship just wasn't developed that well to me. Ron and Hermione get together; foundation was laid in GOF. Even Harry liking Hermione wouldn't seem out of place; he's spent so much time with her and she's so important to him. However someone he has NEVER noticed in that way, NEVER had a real conversation with he just suddenly starts to like? Please; and even if they start to build in Bk.5 there will only be two books left, with all the increasing deaths and bad things that will be happening; I would find it extrodinary that Harry would have so much time he can slowly be building a relationship.
Finally I'm not saying that Hermione likes Harry in that way; but my observation is that her feelings for him are just as ambiguos as those for Ron. I truly believe and a number of you have proven it by saying I used to be H/H supporter but in GOF it was so obvious. Ron's feelings were obvious. We can talk about Hermione always arguing with Ron and the famous common room scene and her scowling when Fleur kissed him. However to all these points one can say that Hermione always argues with Ron because he constantly makes fun of her; whether it's her obsession with school, house-elves or yelling at her for telling Mcgongall about the broom. I mean look at the fact that to delibrately annoy her he kept saying spew instead of SPEW even though he knew it was the right thing. Harry however even if he thought the whole thing was ridiculos called it the right way because that's his character. Hermione and Ron could simply always be fighting because of their personalities clashing and nothing to do with sexual tension. Everyone talks about the World Cup and that confuses me because if I read carefully when both Ron and Harry were practically ready to take flight behind the veelas Hermione asked Harry what he was doing and sounded quite annoyed and she pulled him back. Granted that could be because he was sitting next to her; but that's my point, some people have used Hermione sometimes pulling Ron back as a sign of something and I find that one can make an argument either way. Supporting my point that Hermione seems no more interested in Ron than she does with Harry.
Finally to Ginny, I think so many people who like R/H because his feelings are so obvious it's the same here. Oh she's so sweet and she likes him so much; plus it'd be so perfect R/H and H/G. Oh please. Life rarely works out so perfectly and I think we've seen that certainly in Harry's life nothing is so simple. Not to sound too deep here(but what the hell I'm a literature major) but Harry strikes me as an old soul and after all he's been through that's not surprising. Which is why I don't see Ginny being good with Harry. Ron and Hermione can get together fine; but that doesn't mean Harry should simply have someone out of convenience. I'd rather he be alone. Everyone says H/H can't happen because they have little chemistry; yeah I can see so much between Harry and Ginny.

I agree with Ileyki that all this is rather trivial.

As said before...

I think no one should end up with anyone. The books are about fighting Voldermort and evil, everything else is just mere details.

I think that Harry, Ron and Hermione should go on to become the three greatest Aurors that ever lived. So great, that the names Potter, Weasley and Granger command a respect equalled only by Dumbledore. So powerful that no-one would dare attempt Dark Magic for fear of coming up against them. Each with different skills and abilities that compliment and complete eachother, and make them greater than any one (or even two) could be. They don't need to be anything more then Friends, Allies and Equals.

Yes, it is true that the books hint towards this person liking that person, and that person feeling something towards this person. But I say leave romance to the other characters, these three have other things to do.

My post was getting too long so I forgot to add a few things;
(1) When I talk about Hermione and Harry I am not trying to prove they like each other, but simply show that if one wants to see something they can interpret anything differently. H/H supporters could see Krum saying Hermione talking about Harry alot as proof she likes him and that wouldn't be so far off. R/H shippers see different so called incidents of their relationship. Which is why my point was actually that no one can say for sure that Hermione likes Ron or Harry. She is obsessive and fussy about both. Btw, Bluemagic I never said or implied that Herrmione didn't care about Ron. That's ridiculos, Ron and Harry are her best friends and two of the most important people in her life.
(2) The scene by the lake, I didn't misinterpret. I knew Ron was being accosted by Percy when Hermione spoke to Harry. However, does Ron need to actually be there for Hermione to ask about him? Wouldn't it have made sense to ask " are you'll okay; did something happen" or something like that? Keep in mind that Harry and Ron were really late getting up there, and it would have made more sense to actually ask Harry about both of them, since Ron was unconscious the whole time anyway. Once again I am not trying to prove that Hermione likes Harry but to simply prove that her feelings for Ron are not obvious. Well in terms of liking him anyway.
(3) Finally you spoke of weak examples. The scene where Hermione turns slightly pink is a good example. Hermione turned pink because she was guilty, because she was trying to force a set up with Ron and Harry to get them to talk to each other. Immediately after she turned pink what did she say; she thought they would all meet in the Three Broomsticks and Harry flatly says no because he knew what she was trying to do. As soon as Harry says no; what's her reaction, to say that this is stupid. Meaning the two of them not speaking to each other. We have further proof later on that that is what she was trying to do when she suggests going to the Three Broomsticks and Harry gets quiet and she tells him he wouldn't have to speak to Ron. I'm sorry but I am Literature major and maybe that's why I tend to look things deeper than what is supposedly obvious but not to be difficult but I truly don't see Hermione's feelings for Ron. I mean maybe it'll be more profound in BK.5 and that's fine but for now all these so called evidence seem to be reaching to me.
Oh and Bluemagic or someone with the British paperback please quote these references used because my book is totally different and I have no idea what these examples Blue uses means.

I really don't see much romance in the book, other than the obvious Yule Ball, and even that isn't that extensive. There is Hermione's kiss, which is one of the reasons that it will be Harry and Hermione.

From what I have heard h/h seem alot like harry's parents (yes, alot of other people have said that). I would also like to point out something that has been bothering me. Alot of people said that when h/h where alone in the library he didnt really like being there and was very bored. And that is a reason why r/h will be together and that h/h wont. For one thing if it had just been r/h there alone ron would have been just as bored reading books with her and he would probably have left after a few minutes. Am I wrong? maybe, will you agree? probably not, Will you post stuff telling me I am wrong? probably.

I agree with you completely. The only thing that people support R/H with is that they think H/H won't happen. I disagree with those people completley.

I also feel that h/h have more of a connection that at first might of been just a friend kind of thing, but is now starting to become more. Also when Hermione comes over to Ron and Harry she almost always talks to Harry first, or directs the conversation his way. I could be wrong though.

I agree there are many pointers to support a Harry & Herimone pairing, the biggest one in my book was the Yule Ball when he realised who the stunning girl in blue was. But all these pointers maybe something she has done to make it more of a suprise when Herimone stakes her claim to a guy...

I don't think the kiss meant anything....am I the only one who thinks that when Hermione kissed Harry that she didn't mean anything by it?

If I'm not mistaken, in PoA when Gryffindor won the Quidditch cup, all three FEMALE chasers kissed Harry on the cheek. Now, I don't see anyone saying that Harry is going to be paired off with one of them...there ARE such things as friendly kisses. =P

I never said that was why I believed that h/h had a connection. Also when you are on a team and you win you generally do hug and kiss people. At the time when Hermione kissed Harry everything that had happend that week had already settled. But I dont know if it meant anything anyway. I said they had a connection for other reasons.

No, it didn't mean anything I don't think anyway!!! Why would a kiss on the cheak mean anything. Yes, maybe when you are like 8 years old, but not when you are 14/15!!!

Well, I've never kissed one of my team mates. =P

THANK YOU SPRINGY!!!!!!!

Well most people would when they win the chamionship in anything important if there are some girls on there team.

My team is all girls and when we won our tournament we didn't kiss eachother =P

Well obviously I meant if you are a guy and there are girls on your team. That is sad if you didnt understand that.

No, I understood it, I was just saying that my team mates and I don't kiss eachother. Plus, I wouldn't kiss a guy that was on my team....but then again that could just be me.

Most skaters who are just partners kiss each other on the cheek when they win, also people kiss people who they consider to be family on the cheek when they win also. Im not saying you do, but most people do.

Also I am not sure that the kiss Hermione gave to Harry ment anything other than that she was going to miss him. In my other posts I stated the reasons I thought why they had a connection.

Ok, can we just drop this? =P I don't want to argue with you and this is just getting silly. We obviously have different opinions, and we're allowed to. I respect your opinion, so you should respect mine too =P

Sorry for acting like a smart-aleck...;D Welcome to the boards BTW!!

I never said I didnt respect yours, you are the one that kept saying stuff against my opinion and yah I would like to stop this because it is getting way off topic anyway.

Here is my spin on things.

I think that Hermoine and Ron will be having an awkward relationship in the 5th. I would like to see them together. I Feel that Ron likes or just protective of her. In the 4th book he was very concerned on who she was taking to the yule ball. It even resulted in an argument. All their bickering means they like one another but they are not about to admit it yet. Also, Harry and Ginny sounds possible, she grew up eventually you know, might be able to Harry's attention now that she's 14.

Harry/Hermione sounds okay, as does Ron/Hermione, but I don't think anything will happen until later (and I mean much later), because then it would be an odd love triangle for the books. (Ron/Harry getting mad at Harry/Ron for spending all of his spare time with Hermione would just be difficult. If it did happen, Ron/Hermione seems more logical.)

Anything with Ginny just sounds...disgusting. I know, I know, it's only a year, but it would also be weird. Maybe Ginny/Colin....(that's weird too, because they both kind of went away in PoA and GoF). I've also heard of Ginny/Draco, which again sounds more like a "bleh" sound than anything else.

One thing to think about: Harry gets jealous over little things about Cho, and maybe he will still have a thing for her (surprise surprise), and maybe Draco wants to make Harry jealous about that. I know, it's kind of off in the distance there, but Draco/Cho might be possible. We don't really know all that much about Cho, nor do we about Draco. (Okay, we do, but he could just be nasty to Ron because of his father, and Hermione because of her parents, and Harry because of association, but Draco could be really different than we've thought him to be.)

I would like it to be h/h because to me they resemble Harry's parents. I think that Ron might like Hermione but he will go for someone else if Harry like her. I also think that if there a new character that someone is going to like it should be that Ron likes the new character. Because the book is about all of them but the main character is Harry and you already know all about Hermione. Also I think they would just be really good together.

I Think:
H/G R/H
And For The Adults:
H/MM S/New D.A.D.A Teacher
:love:

the threesome enjoy a group marriage if they are still around

of course this is my personal opion.

only to be taken as a teenagers crazy dream


it could happen

i like the subplots more than the main plot. the main plot is too basic. i like the romance story lines, the depth of characterss emotional lightning shaped scars, i like insight

Hello again to all!

Before I start, let me inform everyone that my opinions has nothing to do with “ I like this person to be with this person.” Thing. But since R/H and the H/H are the most popular pairs to discuss, I will concentrate on these pairings. Granting the fact that JKR confirmed that something is going on between Ron and Hermione and a very platonic friendship between Harry and Hermione, I will say it again that my opinions are based from my understanding of the book and how I agree with JKR’s comments . I’ve mentioned in my previous post already (dated Nov. 25, 2002) that my conclusion on this matter is “Ron likes Hermione but it will take a Krum to realize this, Ron doesn’t know Hermione likes him” …which is a very typical boy thing for both cases.”.And the creation of the characters of Fleur and Krum built the conflict that made the characters to fall in love with the wrong people.

But just in case my perception is wrong and JKR were just lying which I doubt, as I’ve mentioned in my early 2 posts ( dated Nov.20, 2002), I will say it again, Whoever ends up with who, JKR will write it brilliantly. Anyway,on the whole,HP books are fantasy/adventure novels, not romance.

Lastly, should I say it again that I don’t want to give a “hear from the expert“ impression to everybody? Aside from the fact that I honestly not because by profession I am….nudge..nudge…wink…wink …. ;) Do I need to say this? To make it easy, I am just an ordinary and simple HP books reader who wants to share humble opinions and who also happens like to dig the book in deeper context and logically.


Ok! I am about to write down my article about how I came up with conclusion.But the last post from lleyki, caught my attention.So, I’ve decided to clear some things first.


Did I just miss the point in your first post? The way I understand it, your discussing that you don’t see Hermione returns Ron's feelings and you’ve even mentioned that there is a lot to suggest she likes Harry in that sense since you’ve have seen little evidence to suggest that Hermione likes Ron in that way. You’ve mentioned the event during the second task as one of the examples that suggest Hermione likes Harry, right? And gave one of your conclusions after reading the 4 books , Hermione likes Harry.

Quoted:


When Harry and Ron got out of the lake; Hermione didn't say " are you two okay?". Instead she was too busy squealing and being proud of Harry for figuring out how to get in the water by himself. Then she was worrying about why he took so long; she was spending so much time over him that Harry makes mention of Krum looking bothered and trying to get her attention back to him.

I’ve got this part explained that it doesn’t suggest to me that “Hermione likes Harry” thing the way you have mentioned. Though I've wanted want to express my views to all events you've mentioned. But, I dont like to create disorganized article...explaining and jumping from one event to another.

I will state here again.

Hermione should really be proud of Harry figuring out by himself. She really should. I don't see any romantic implications here. Considering the fact that during the last five weeks before the second task, the three of them, Harry, Ron and Hermione, searched through their lunchtimes, evenings, whole weekends" (page 526) just to figure it out but found nothing.They've separated the night before the next task without any solution and meet again already right after the task. It's a normal reaction.

For a moment, I found it funny hearing these lines from Hermione. It could be also a form of teasing or disbelief.Knowing her character and Hermione's aware of her character too, the know-it-all (remember when every one had called her know it all at least once a week and Ron at least twice a week...PoA page 187 for her not to know that ),She's the one who always provide Ron and Harry brilliant researches and has ever ready answers to all academic questions. It's really a surprise for her that Harry found it by himself without her academic help which is very unusual.

Lastly, considering Hermione’s character, the Typical "T" person, it’s her usual initial reaction and not bothered to ask "Are you two ok?" . The explanation for this is at the last part.


In Your second post, you’ve mentioned “I'm not saying that Hermione likes Harry in that way; but my observation is that her feelings for him are just as ambiguos as those for Ron.”

Hmmm…hmm… did you express this way in your first post? It seemed I’ve missed it.

third post,
Bluemagic I never said or implied that Hermione didn't care about Ron.

Fourth post:
The scene by the lake, I didn't misinterpret. I knew Ron was being accosted by Percy when Hermione spoke to Harry. However, does Ron need to actually be there for Hermione to ask about him? Wouldn't it have made sense to ask " are you'll okay; did something happen" or something like that? Keep in mind that Harry and Ron were really late getting up there, and it would have made more sense to actually ask Harry about both of them, since Ron was unconscious the whole time anyway.

I Will try to explain this again. I Think I made a poor explanation about giving you the idea that you’re implying that Hermione doesn’t care or think about Ron. Although, I will admit that was actually my first impression and that’s how I see your point . But since you’ve explained in your last post what you actually meant Why Hermione didn’t ask this question, “Are you two ok?” granting the fact that as you’ve mentioned “ they were really late getting up there, and it would have made more sense to actually ask Harry about both of them, since Ron was unconscious the whole time anyway thinking.” But instead, I’ll quote from the book.

“Harry, well done!” Hermione cried. “You did it, you found out how, all by yourself!”
“You’re well outside the time limit, though, Harry…”Did it take you ages to find us?”

I hope I do this better and clearly.Again, I would like to say that I am just an oridanary and simple HP books reader.And I didn`t forget that Ron and Harry were late but since I am aware of Hermione's charactererization, I am not actually expecting her to ask that as her first question, if ever.;) But then, to those who might be wondering if she is worried or thinking about the two boys since she didn't mentioned anything . Well, yes, she said so....during the Snape's class.Anyway, they are her friends.

Anyway, JKR made different characterizations of Harry, Ron and Hermione. As a reader like me, it is important for me to know these characters. The next question is How much? For sure, by book 4, I can almost established their characterization.. But since Hermione is the topic, let me concentrate on her.Though, I’ve meant to include this explanation to my article which is inspired by another article from Angua but I will just give a little bit of it for clarifications.

I think the reason lies in Hermione’s nature. In Meyers/Briggs terms, she’s a ‘T’ (thinking) rather than an ‘F’ (feeling) person. This means she is naturally more likely to judge and act by facts, principles, and logic than by emotions and mercy.
The thing about Hermione is that she means well. Like Hagrid says, she’s got her heart in the right place. But how she deals with different situations?

• When Lavender’s bunny dies, Hermione thinks the most important issue is to establish a fact -- whether or not Trelawney's prediction was correct. She doesn’t seem to understand Lavender’s feelings, or that she might actually be comforted by the thought that her pet’s death was fated.

• When Scabbers is killed, Ron is devastated and furious and wants her to say she’s sorry. He is hurt because he thinks Hermione didn’t care enough about him to control her pet. Hermione thinks the argument is over a question of fact – whether or not Crookshanks actually killed Scabbers. But it isn’t the time for a murder investigation – it is the time to apologize and comfort her friend.

• When the Firebolt is delivered, Ron is delighted for Harry’s sake. He knows how stressed Harry is over Sirius Black and the Dementors, and how upset he was to lose his broom. Hermione isn’t interested in that at all. For her, again, it’s a question of fact – is the broom hexed or not? Having the professors investigate is the correct, logical way to get the answer. But the way she did it amounts to a betrayal of her friends, and she makes no attempt whatsoever to deal with their feelings about losing the broom or about having their friend rat on them.

Then there is SPEW. Hermione sees a principle – Slavery is Wrong. That’s all she needs. It never even occurs to her to think about the house elves’ feelings – that they would be terrified, ashamed, and miserable if they were freed. Ron, a strong ‘F’, tries to tell her (in his casual way): ”They *like* it,” “She seems to love him.” But it’s not Hermione’s nature to think that way. It doesn’t come easily to her.

Again, there is nothing whatsoever in the world wrong with being a ‘T’ (I’m one myself). Sometimes a fact-oriented approach can be quite useful – as in PS/SS when Hermione helps Harry with his fear of Voldemort by reminding him that Dumbledore can protect him, or in PoA when she downplays the danger from Grims.


Here are some specific examples of times when Harry needs warmth and affection and Hermione gives him facts and logic instead:


• When Harry is worried about Sirius’s plans to return to Scotland, and writes to tell him he just imagined his scar hurting:

”That was a *lie*, Harry,” said Hermione sharply over breakfast; when he told her and Ron what he had done. “You *didn’t* imagine your scar hurting and you know it.”

“So what?” asked Harry. “He’s not going back to Azkaban because of me.”

“Drop it,” said Ron sharply to Hermione as she opened her mouth to argue some more, and for once, Hermione heeded him, and fell silent.

As usual, Ron…understands Harry’s emotional needs and tries to tend to them, while Hermione doesn’t seem to even realize how upset and worried Harry is. What would Harry do if Ron weren’t there to protect him from Hermione at times like these?

After the First Task, Harry is elated about his success and being friends with Ron again. Ron encourages him:

”You know what? I reckon you could win this tournament, Harry. I’m serious.”

Harry knew that Ron was only saying this to make up for his behavior of the last few weeks, but he appreciated it all the same. Hermione, however, leaned against the Owlery wall, folded her arms, and frowned at Ron.

“Harry’s got a long way to go before he finishes this tournament,” she said seriously. “If that was the first task, I hate to think what’s coming next.”

“Right little ray of sunshine, aren’t you?” said Ron. “You and Trelawney should get together sometime.”


During the Ron/Harry fight, Hermione correctly deduces that Harry didn’t put his name in the Goblet. That is a fact, and Hermione is good with those. She puts together Harry’s surprised facial expression, her knowledge of past plots against Harry, and her knowledge of his character and, as she so often does, comes to the correct conclusion. Ron, an ‘F’ as usual, and ruled by his own strong emotions of envy and betrayal, totally fails to do this (hey, sometimes it’s *good* to be a ‘T’!).


I know there are lot more events to support this fact but I think the examples are enough and you’ve understand what I’ve meant. I would say it again….. Hermione is a ‘T’ (thinking) rather than an ‘F’ (feeling) person. This means she is naturally more likely to judge and act by facts, principles, and logic than by emotions and mercy.

But if you need more for further reading about the trio`s characterization
just click here (http://www.sugarquill.net/index.php?action=goodshiprh&st=angua)

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Isn't it suspicious that Rita's article about her playing the two of them came out after that? We can assume that perched in Hermione's hair she must have observed something about Hermione's feelings towards Harry.

Well, I think not because the Rita’s issue playing the two of them (H/H) came out even before the first task. Then after the second task, the love triangle issue (Harry-Krum-Hermione) issue came out. I’ve mentioned in my earlier posts, JKR placed the bug again during that scene again as another hint for the later part of the story.

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Lastly,Finally you spoke of weak examples. The scene where Hermione turns slightly pink is a good example. Hermione turned pink because she was guilty.
I'm sorry but I am Literature major and maybe that's why I tend to look things deeper than what is supposedly obvious

When I've pointed out this event, it seemed you are convinced that I took it "literally" or simple as that?;)hmmm....hmmm.. As I've always mentioned, one or two events are not enough. That is why I'am giving the possible hints which I think may help us to track what we've wanted to know and we need to associate them. Plus, of course, condering the fact we know our HP characters "well"(what makes them angry, smile, what makes them sad....etc...), throughout the books and considering the fact of JKR style of writing.
As I've mentioned long, long time ago, romance may not play a trivial part of the series is the reason why JKR made it confirmed about H/R.But why she's not making it obvious in the story? Just like you've said "why not just make them liking each other so obvious on both sides". I am not a literature major, I am not an expert about this, but I don't think JKR will make the characterization she created and built for every person to change "suddenly" just to make them obvious then go on with the main plot. Not a usual JKR way. It has something to do with "characterization". And I believe,that is why in GOF, Ron is more obvious because his character was built that way. throughout the books, he acted according to his emotions openly. As for Hermione, not. Because her character was not created that way. But considering our knowledge of her characterization throughout the books , more or else, we can find a hint to see it. ;)

Do I have to say it again that my perception of R/H has nothing to do with any shipping but that's how I see in the story?And my explanation above is to give insights that the partiucar Krum scene during the 2nd task could not be a sign of "Hermione liking Harry". How about with kiss during the 2nd task ?...I'll reserve that later. ;)

I hope I said these things very well today. Though I still want to write more but I will reserve that for my future post;) One topic at a time.I don't like my post appear with just scattered ideas, I may not explained well.

Have a nice day to all.
;)

I think there should be a maximum length on posts

Originally posted by tcboo
I think there should be a maximum length on posts

Sorry, I didn't mean to get that long:D But it happened that way. I was thinking to make it in two or three posts but I asked myself if there will there any be difference?:D

I just hope you've managed and find the time to read it ;)

have a nice day:)

Hey bluemagic there are a few things that I dont agree with about your post. What you said is that Hermions thinks of facts before feelings. The only times she does that are when there is something greater at risk than feelings. Also you said that your reasons for believe that it will be r/h has nothing to do with how you feel about it. I dont believe that after reading 4 books (and reading book 4 nine times) that you are impartial to all of this. You also said that romance will have nothing to do with the main story. I believe this also is not true. There are many instances where you would choose someone you love over your friend (such as if Voldemort was going to make him unknowingly choose one to save). Also if Harry or Ron was going out with Hermione they would do what she said more often than they do when they are just her friends. I could be wrong though.

Okay to end this because I have things doing such as studying for finals;
(1) Yes I never said H/H would happen or R/H wouldn't. In my first ever post here and since you seem a little sceptical blue, it's on page 36 or 37. One of the first things I ever said on this topic was that I was no particular shipper and that whatever happened would be fine because JK is so good, it would all fit. My problem was that the people who supported the R/H pairing acted like the idea of H/H was so ridiculos because it was so obvious that Ron and Hermione liked each other. However, I truly felt that Hermione's feelings were never that obvious and all I ever tried to show was that there were many incidents that could have been interpreted as Hermione liking Harry. Simply to prove that Hermione is no more romantic towards Harry than she is with Ron. If anyone read my post on Harry ending up alone; you'd see that.
Look my feeling on what is to come is simple. I truly don't think Harry'll live at the end of the series. Harry is that modern day matyr whose entire existence and life was there for a particular purpose. That of course, to save the wizarding world from Voldemort. That is why Ron and Hermione might probably end up together. Not because of some great chemistry and connection like most people want to believe. Simply because it's convenient. JK said she didn't want people accusing her books of being unrealistic. Now three friends(two boys and a girl) spend all their time together, are now fifteen; naturally a relationship has to develop somewhere.
Now let's think. Harry is the main character, everything revolves around him. It may include other people, but essentially it's about him and Voldemort. If Harry gets involved with Hermione, time will have to be spent discussing it. Meaning romantic moments, yikes even kissing or it will seem fake. Harry's narrating, therefore his relationship will be very present. I don't think JK wants to go too pre teen romantic here. Also Hermione is already very important to Harry, making her a liablility; because Voldemort loves to use people you care about against you. Can you imagine the pressures of worrying about her if he was also in love with her? Awhile back someone said that JK puts relationships to give the books authenticity but uses them mainly as a cute distraction. Example Percy and Penelope. Therefore, putting Hermione and Ron together seem alot more convenient. There's romance to make the story more honest but never too distracting to the main plot.
Okay so let me try to tie this in so there's no misconception about my opinion. I NEVER said Ron and Hermione wouldn't get together. I NEVER said Hermione and Harry would. All I ever said after observing many posts was that the so called great romance between R/H wasn't as amazing and obvious as everyone was making it out to be. Yes Ron liked Hermione, but I saw little to no evidence that Hermione returned those feelings. I mean people even tried to say that Hermione went to dance with Krum to make Ron jealous. I mean come on. First off Hermione is not manipulative and inconsiderate of people feelings, and she seemed genuinely shocked and confused by Ron's reaction at the dance. Things like that was what made me use Harry and Hermione examples; simply to show that Hermione's feelings for Ron were not as romantic as everyone makes it out to be. That's it. So I will say again and all the so called proof in passages given all seem to be reaching to me; that Ron does like Hermione but her feelings for him seem no more romantic than they do for Harry.
I forgot to add that I also felt that because Ron's feelings were so obvious and it was all so cute that people started getting ridiculos and creating romantic moments with Hermione where there weren't. As easily as the kiss with Harry and other incidents with him could have been explained as friendship, I was simply trying to say that the same applied to her reactions, conversations with Ron. I mean truthfully the ONLY incident that can be used as solid proof was the common room argument and that could be explained as simple frustration over Ron's griping and childish behaviour towards her date. Just like the kiss was so simply explained away. All people have to use again is that they constantly argued which as far as I've known they've done since BK.1, and that might have something to do with Ron criticizing Hermione since BK.1. However, I'm sure someone will say that that was probably because they've liked each other since BK.1. Right.

I agree with Ileyki.

Ron likes Hermione - that's obvious.

Hermione likes Ron - no real evidence, only personal opinion and interpretation.

Hermione likes Harry - possible, but no real evidence

Harry likes Hermione - if he does he doesn't show it. Let's hope it stays that way, he has plenty of other things to worry about.

Also, I think some of you place too much importance on what JKR has said, she could quite easily change her mind.

Hey bluemagic there is one more thing I would like to say that I didnt get into my last post. You said she isnt likely to act out of mercy? Why does she try to free the house elves then, seeing that all the facts say that they like being how they are. Why does she start yelling at crouch when he is about to get rid of Winky, and whenever anyone else says anything about the house elves.

I think that tcboo is right about JKR changing her mind. Just because she says something doesent mean she has to do what she says. Noone knows that after the invterview she didnt regret what she had said. Also she said that the fans in no way influence what she writes. That means if she says something to the fans and then wants to change it later she will (and its not lieing either).

Originally posted by Voritian
Hey bluemagic

I will just make this fast.
Now, I am not sure if my English is really bad..

I suggest you should go over again with my post . ;)To see more examples that Hermione is a T person which is " she is naturally more likely to judge and act by facts, principles, and logic than by emotions and mercy" and it covers all the instances not only during the times when there is something greater at risk like what you're mentioning. (example scabbers issue, the rabbit, etc.... there's no great risk issue here) Click the url to read more. Of course, she means well for the welfare of the others, but what I'm discussing is her characterization...her way of dealing about it. It seems you're giving me an impression that you didn't actually understand the point here. I'm sure, I didn't imply that there is nothing wrong to be a "T" person. Anyway, I am not trying to convince you or give an impression that I am right but that is the closest logical reason I can give.But I'm suggesting that you deal with it logically and open-mindedly.Not unless you are a "F" person ;)

I`ve mentioned that romance will play fairly trivial part in the story but I didn't not say that romance has nothing to do with the story. :D I really think that you should read again my post and slowly. ok?;)

And lastly, Not because, I 've read the books a lot of times, it's not a reason for me to be impartial to all of this I am just bored waiting for book 5. But good thing, there are simple things, I'm recognizing while re-reading the books. Anyway, If you will go over my posts, I always say, I want to deal with it logically.Since this topic is very popular, I want to see and hear what are the arguments behind this. As I've mentioned again, why there are doubts, JKR told so already ? And I want larger perceptives including also to hear the other views about the topic. I might be wrong so I need to hear others perpectives . I've asked myself a lots of questions like why, how, what... when etc before I will settle for my opinion. If somebody will post I like Harry and Hermione together or whoever partnerships, there's nothing for me to ask. That is the person's preference. But if somebody, will give a particular situation, then there will lots of exchange of views.

By the way, I've never mentioned that I've read the books for nine times.I've mentioned for the "nth time" Hmm....hmmm..I'm really starting to wonder if it's my post you've read or you've just practically didn't read it clearly.:??:

Ok! have a nice day to all. ;) I've posted a lot. I think this will be good for a week or two.:)

Alrighty, well lets see. I reckon that Ron and Hermione are going to get together, Ron was jealous of Hermione when she was "dating" Krum. Now, not to be all stupid, but Hermione is a greek name for the daughter of Helen, who was loved by two men, and fought over. Now this could go to Ron and Harry, but I don't think J.K wants it to be soap opera, plus she stated that Harry and Hermione are just friends. Next:: Cho and Harry are not going to get together, first of all, J.K stated that Ginny was going to be a major person in the 5th book, but personally I don't think Harry and Ginny are going to get together. They need someone new for Harry to "pounce"




" Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught up in a web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." Stephen King

SiriuPotter, hmm... I am not too sure that JKR would use that. Hermione I don't think will be chased by two boys. I just can't see that happening. Nice Theory though!!

Anyway, JKR did say something about Harry taking an interest in Hermione and it also said that Harry will DATE someone from the Quidditch team in book 5. It was on the Newsround website and was posted in July 2001 I think. But the thing is, is that the Newsround website has deleted some of its Database and now the news only goes up to the end of October 2001. If I can find its Archive, I will post it!! But I can't!!!

I just want to point something out. Everyone is saying that the books aren't romance, they're about fighting Voldmemort. Well, technically, it's about Harry more than anything. I mean, why is everyone so sure Harry won't die in book 5? Cause if the books are about fighting Voldermort, then he can die and the books can continue from someone elses point of view. But no, he's the main character, and he's a teenager, of course they're are going to be romances! Not his for sure, but there has to be SOMEone in his year who's going out with someone. And whether he ends up with anyone won't change the fact that he's gonna have crushes and stuff. The books are initially about Harry. You can say the reason the books are about him is because of his...um...relationship (not the best word to use) with Voldemort, but that still doesn't change the fact that it's about him, a teenage guy who's sort of living a normal teenage life (I say sort of cuz most teens can't make this levitate and stuff). What I'm trying to get at is there's going to be romances among other things, like little sub-plots to go with the main plot (THAT'S about going after Voldemort).

Your examples for why she doesent have feelings first arent very good. When her cat almost killed scabbers she didnt deal with anything out of facts, she was defending her cat because she liked it. And when the rabbit died there where more important things then the loss of a small pet (she wanted to know if the predictions where correct because she had precdicted Harry's death). Also reading the books alot of times is a reason to be impartial because that means you like the books and have your own opinions about them.

Voritian, WHAT in the WORLD are you on about? Have you even read the books? Please please do not be offended by my asking this, but it doesn't even seem to me like you've read them.

I agree with cheshire there will be romance in all of the books to come. Also how does anyone know that romance wont play a very important part in her books. Noone knows what the books contain except JKR, and saying that you know what she will write from reading the other books is basically saying that she will follow trend and do the obvious and that you are as good a writer as she is. Also you cant take everything she says as fact, she isnt going to write something she doesent like just because she said one thing in an interview with someone. And she has said before the fans dont influence her writing at all, that means she will change it if she wants to.

Thank you Voritian! It's true though, romance CAN play a huge part in the books. Knowing JKR she can work in romances to be important. JKR always surprises us (if there's one reason, and ONLY ONE, why I think R/H won't happen, it would be because it seems to obvious for JKR. But I'm still a devoted R/H shipper!).

Originally posted by lleyki
Okay to end this because I have things doing such as studying for finals;
(1) Yes I never said H/H would happen or R/H wouldn't.

It seems there is really a misconception. :sigh: When I've expressed my view regarding the Krum incident you've mentioned, it has nothing to do with your shipping preference.As you've said, you're not a shipper.And even if you're a shipper, I don't mind it at all also.

I've just simply wanted to express my review that in this particular Krum situation, it doesn’t suggest to me that “Hermione likes Harry” thing the way you have mentioned. :sigh: That's all. I will not even mind if you conluded that either H/H would happen or R/H would never happen.I hope you understand what I mean. I've just wanted to review the particualr situation that you have given. I don't think, I can even manage to discuss other points/things like the way you did on your last post. As I always say, I prefer to discuss one event at a time because I'm not sure how long it will take for me to deal with it logically and then write. ;) And if ever, I plan to discuss other things like Harry alone, his fights, Voldemort, it needs for me to organize all my thoughts and ideas.So far, I can't handle it. It needs lot of time.Tthat is why at the moment my main concern is "who will end with who" topic.:love:

Again, It's not my main concern if a person is a shipper or not. I respect other's personal preference. I've just wanted to deal with facts or what are posted to review which I think may give me or other persons larger perceptions.You know, just to have interaction. I expect there will be agreemenets or disagreements in a very nice and respectful way , but in the end, everybody will be benefited from the exchange of views. Well, of course, if everybody are opened-minded.;)

ok! that's all Have a nice day! ;)

Yeah I'm in for the Ron/Herimone & and Harry/Cho groupings. Sorry Ginny, but you never date your best mates sister... Far too many problems, and I speak from experience...

^_^

I think Harry Potter will go out with Hermione. As Ron and he gets older, my guess is he will realize that friendship with the Weasleys is not worth treasuring. Ron after all, is immature.

I think that the weasleys are good people and they are worth being friends with (since rons mom has become almost like Harry's now). But I agree with HarryPottersfan in that ron is immature and I dont think Harry should not go out with Hermione just so that ron wont get mad.

Originally posted by Voritian
I agree with cheshire there will be romance in all of the books to come. Also how does anyone know that romance wont play a very important part in her books. Noone knows what the books contain except JKR, and saying that you know what she will write from reading the other books is basically saying that she will follow trend and do the obvious and that you are as good a writer as she is.

Hmm... I agree with what you have written about romance being an important part. Look at this way. One thing that Voldemort cannot understand is what??? Think hard fellow CoS members!! It is Love!! Since Voldemort has one particular love in him, which is family love, what if Harry can defeat Voldie by using another type of love, in this case, a romance type of love. It is possible!!!

I think it's going to be H/H in the end. Harry just hasn't realized his true destiny. He's only 15 now. Give him a break peoples!

Originally posted by Voritian
Your examples for why she doesent have feelings first arent very good. When her cat almost killed scabbers she didnt deal with anything out of facts, she was defending her cat because she liked it. And when the rabbit died there where more important things then the loss of a small pet (she wanted to know if the predictions where correct because she had precdicted Harry's death). Also reading the books alot of times is a reason to be impartial because that means you like the books and have your own opinions about them.

It seems you didn't understand my post well. I just suggest that you reread them. Hermione means well and cares for others. But what i'm trying to point out how does she reacted in every situation. And if you can, click the link for more informations, the better. I hope next time, you get my point and I hope you can deal with it logically. ok?

Your last sentence made me really smile. Of course, I like the books that is why I bought them in the first place. And if I reread them, It's not only because I like to reread them but to give me better understanding of the book.Considering, JKR style of writing, I've might missed or discover some other points.And if I read the books, naturally I will have my own opinion based on the way I've understand the book. And if ever I will hear opinions or interpretations of the books differ from mine. I will not mind them at all. In fact, I will be grateful to exchange views that it might be beneficial for me or to others. It will give me larger perceptives and better understanding of the book.;)

I'm wondering again, Do you really meant what you have written or should I say Are you aware of what you have written.? I find it funny, though.;)



Originally posted by Voritian

I agree with cheshire there will be romance in all of the books to come. Also how does anyone know that romance wont play a very important part in her books. . Also you cant take everything she says as fact, she isnt going to write something she doesent like just because she said one thing in an interview with someone. And she has said before the fans dont influence her writing at all, that means she will change it if she wants to.[/B]

It seems, this is no longer an impression but a fact that you're not able to understand my post. But what can I do? But to suggest to reread them again? And I hope you can differentiate the facts and opinions. And also, I didn't write " Romance won`t play" but "Romance may not play". I think, there is really a difference. You totally kill the chance. ;)

Originally posted by Voritian
No one knows what the books contain except JKR, and saying that you know what she will write from reading the other books is basically saying that she will follow trend and do the obvious and that you are as good a writer as she is..[/B]


Do I have to say it again and again?t I've mentioned I am not an expert about this matter, Im not even a literature major or give an impression "as good writer as she is" like what you've mentioned about me but I am just giving my share of humble opinion. You're giving me the idea as if you didn't actually read my post or you just don't like my post. ;) How come you're writing "as good writer as she is" comment though I've also mentioned in my post about my limitations. :sigh: I'm wondering how your read? Do you actually think first before you post?I'm curious now.:??:

And lastly, I am discussing about book 5, so for sure, I know the book . And again, it seemed you've missed the point there again.My, oh ,my, and you totally change the concept. What can I do? suggest to reread it again?

You're really giving me the funny feeling.;)

Anyway, have a nice day!

:)

Originally posted by DarlingChild
LOL,
At least I know how to use propper grammer and spelling. :rasp:
*has internal struggle* :banghead:



DarlingChild..I cannot say anything about that but what you've written is funny and cool;)

I hope, everything will be a fine day for all tomorrow :D

Hey bluemagic you just admited that what you are writing is not impartial in your last post, and when I said noone knows what the book will be like because JKR could change it, I wasent talking to you. I was saying a general statement to everyone.

Originally posted by Voritian
I agree with cheshire there will be romance in all of the books to come. Also how does anyone know that romance wont play a very important part in her books. . Also you cant take everything she says as fact, she isnt going to write something she doesent like just because she said one thing in an interview with someone. And she has said before the fans dont influence her writing at all, that means she will change it if she wants to.

Hey bluemagic this post also had nothing to do with you or what you wrote.

Hey bluemagic you take stuff out of my posts and then pretend that I was saying them to you. That is very sad, because none of them had anything to do with you or what your wrote in any way. Actually there where a few that I did say to you but most of the ones you used as examples wherent them. Actually only one of the ones you used as an example was.

Well, this has turned into a nice friendly discussion!

Anyway, I think that some of you share posts as if they are fact rather than opinion.
If you read the first few posts on this thread, everyone simply shares small excerpts and then gives their opinion. Now everyone seems to have to analyse every part of every book and then give factual interpretation which they regard as indisputable.

Anyway, that is just my opinion.

Well, I hope that you enjoy writing your posts, because they're not much fun to read anymore.

I think I will see what other threads there are . . .

I'm Thinking of stupid ones which would be really Unexpected, :wacky: and :youwhat:
These Are Them Ron/Cho Hermione/Draco Ginny/Neville

Voritian, DarlingChild & anyone else. You agree to disagree with people. You don't insult one another repeatedly as it shows no measure of intelligence whatsoever. As a result I have deleted some of your posts.

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Now back on topic. I believe that Harry will date someone new in the books, rather than an established character. Ron will probably come to realise he has feelings for Hermione, but she may be struggling with her feelings for Harry as well. I can see a rift forming between the threesome which others such as Draco may try to exploit.

Yeah guys if you've got problems take them to PM's, or the Mods, no need to start up a flame war here and ruin our fun...

Now that the unpleasentness is behind us, I still think there will be turbulent times ahead for our young people. I have re-read the series and while a relationship between Herimone and Ron seems a shoe-in. I think it might be a very rough one at the begining, they are far too different for things to just slot together for them, there will be battles, arguments and apoligies all around and as always our hero will be in the middle, also trying to work out he feelings for Cho ir Ginny, but in the end Cho will win out and Harry will actully do something about it...

I think it will be Harry/Hermione, and I also think that Draco will try to start something between Ron, Harry, and Hermione. Ron will probably get angry and leave them for awhile, then a few chapters later, make up with them.

Hermione is disappointed in Ron, when he doesn't ask her for the ball/prom. I think she fancies Ron a bit, and Ron is jealous at Krum when he gets the date with Hermione.

It's obvious that Cho and Harry have special feelings for each other, and I can see Ron getting jealous with Harry again, when Harry will spend more time with Cho. This could be the point where Ron and Hermione team up.

I also think that Ron will show more courage in the next books, and he may get Fleur as a "reward".

i would like to see Harry/Hermione as a couple. Harry/Ginny could work, but it just doesn't click with me. neither does the Ron/Hermione thing. i may be in the minority on that, but Ron/Hermione just don't do it for me! :)

I dont think that Hermione was more angry at Ron then she was at Harry in book 4 for not asking her to the Yule Ball, I think she was only angry at them because she was always there fall back person and she didnt like it.

YES...I did not go for anyone before...but now i go for

HARRY/ HERMIONE:love:

Okay! Here goes... I have always thought of Ginny as a little girl(at least compared to Harry in the books). When I think Ginny I think ... 11 years old and so I think something major will happen between her and Harry in the 5th book to make us realise that maybe she isn't so little after all.

Okay I was reading a few earlier posts just for the hell of it and something caught my attention. I think it was a post by Cheshire. The previous post stated that Harry was the kind of person who would step aside if he knew Ron had feelings for Hermione and Cheshire responded by saying that Harry better because everything does come easily for him and Ron deserves something for a change. I have seen comments like that a number of times and it really makes me mad; so sorry if I sound irritated. First off, I love Harry(I tend to humanize characters when I read to make books more real). I think he is one of the bravest, strongest, loyal and sweetest characters ever created. That aside I'll list my reasons for why that Harry gets everything so Ron should have Hermione **** bothers me;
(1) Hermione is not some consolation prize, to alleviate Ron's feelings of being inadequate.
(2) Harry has no parents. Only reason he has so much money, it was simply sitting there for all years, because no one was using it. I'm sure Harry would give up all his money to have his parents back. However, that's his reality and he deals with it.
(3) Harry spent ten years of his life with NO friends, NO family that cared for him, and basically being verbally and mentally abused all the time.
(4) He has seen and dealt with more death than people see in a lifetime and always has to live with the fear that this very dangerous, very insane dark wizard is always trying to kill him.
Sorry to go off topic. I just hate when people act like Harry gets everything and Ron doesn't. Okay he's poor and is overshadowed by his brothers. Yes, and Harry has no parents and has to live with the Dursleys. At least he doesn't gripe about it all the time. I don't care what problem Ron thinks he has; it doesn't compare to growing up with no parents. So everyone spare me with that. Incidentally, that was one of the most annoying parts of GOF for me. I'm sick of Harry being made to feel guilty because he has some stupid scar at the cost of losing his parents. I found Ron's behaviour when they weren't speaking very childish and unfair.
Again sorry for ranting and being off topic, it's just that caught my attention and I had to respond.

lleyki, I completely agree with you. Everyone says that Harry gets everything, and everything always happens to him. But, honestly, he doesn't ask for any of it. Rons reaction was very unfair indeed and if Harry was his best friend, he would have believed him, no questions asked when Harry said he didn't put his name in the GoF. But, Rons only human, and its only human to be jealous of the things you can't have, especially when your best friend gets it all. Ron's reaction was completely normal, childish and selfish as it may seem.

As for Harry stepping aside if he knew Ron had feelings for Hermione, I think he would do it. Not because Hermione is a consollation prize, or because he feels bad for Ron, but because they're friends and Harry is a decent person.

As for Ron moping about how he has nothing...at least he has family...family who loves him and cares about him. He has a family who he can go home to at the end of the school year who will be glad to see him, and not wished, hoped, that he had died. Even mighty Harry Potter, the one who has everything, the one who everything happens to, can't say that.

Sorry, that was reall off-topic, but I had to respond because I feel the same way =P

Hello, I'm new. I have come here many times and have amused myself by reading the threads on this board. You all are so very interesting. I guess I couldn't stand on the side anymore, I decided I'd join in the conversation.

After reading this thread, I'd like to state my opinion. Let me state I am all for Ron and Hermione. As for a prediction, I know that writers foreshadow in more than one way. May it be in a line, narration, key scene... writers love to hint. And I think the biggest hint JKR has given her audience [as far as a future relationships] is hidden in the myth behind Hermione's name. I'm sure most of you if not all of you here know the myth behind Hermione. If not, briefly: In greek mythology Hermione was the daughter of Helen of Troy. Two men fell in love with Hermione, but Orestes, one of the men, was killed by a snake. I'm sure you all know the story.

I believe that this myth plays a huge roll. I'm not saying it will be in the 5th book, but it will be soon. In fact, I could see an interesting turn of plot involving Hermione, Ron... and Draco. I'm actually doing a bit of research on the myth [I love greek mythology].

I didn't mean to write this much, I just wanted to give a little to think about. (I sure hope no one else brought this point up, I'd hate to be redundant.)

These two had a bond. Harry saved Hermione from the troll in PS. Ron did 2 but it was Harry who wanted to save her in the first place and it was Harry who jumped onto the troll to save her. These creates a bond between them. Hermione was always unpopular but Harry saved her at the risk of his own life, Hermione must had been grateful to him. That's why she cared for him more than she cared for Ron. I truly believe that Hermione likes Harry not Ron.

Personally, I believe Ron and Hermione = fact!

Someone probably brought up the Star Wars connection already. Harry/Hermione (Luke/Leia) are more like brother/sister than "soul mates." Methinks the smart girl will eventually end up with the rogue scoundrel, Ron (Han). However, there is speculation that the adventurous trio idea goes back all the way to arthurian legend, and if I remember correctly, Guinivere was Arthur's wife, and Arthur was the main character. I dunno who the other guy was, but he was the sidekick. Like Ron. Because I am so confused about what to think, I think there will eventually be a love triangle among the three; but Ron will come out of it with the girl. ;)

Another thing. In the movie, Hermione and Ron are reluctant to embrace, which I thought was cute :p I don't think the movie would have included this little part if they weren't eventually going to end up with each other :love:

I probably said a lot of stuff that has been said a lot, but I'm new so bear with me :angel:

well i'm still for harry/hermione. one thing i noticed in the movie, was when hermione was petrified in the hospital wing. ron was sitting there looking glum, while harry replaced her flowers and then was kind of holding hermione's hand. he did the same thing when he first saw her petrified, he grabbed her hand. so to me, in the movie it just seems like they're heading more towards a harry/hermione thing, w/ ron kind of on the outside

(and OT, but just for the record, Arthur's "sidekick" who Guinevere went for was named Lancelot. :) )

Good point, the Authurian legend is a fairly good similarity. But if you are using that, than you do know that Arthur [Harry] lost Guinevere [Hermione] to Lancelot [Ron]. And even in that end the love story ends in tragedy, Guinevere becomes a nun, Lancelot driven mad by his own guilt, and Arthur a king dying on his throne. So, it's a good idea, but I doubt that these three will end up with such a tragic conclusion.

I still stick firm to the idea that the myth behind Hermione's name plays a role of some sort.

Ok, I'm sure there are good points for believing that HP and the legend of King Arthur are similar. But I hve never seen them...

I also think that maybe Herimone is going to go for Krum over Ron or Harry...

Someone said something about Hermione going for Ron because he is a rogue like han was, I dont think he is at all, he is more like a person who needs other people to help him and has no real skill or talent for almost anything (this could change in book 5 when he join the team). Also I am not sure why you would conisder Ron more of a rogue then Harry, seeing that Harry normally comes up with the ideas to break the rules and in the end he is the one that keeps them alive (Hermione does also but Ron almost never does).

There is another thing that has annoyed me kind of that people have talked about alot. In the 2nd movie Hermione and Ron dont embrace when she gets better and thats why most people think there is something between them. I think they dont embrace because they dont have a peticularly good relationship (it would be like embracing someone you dont even know). They dont talk alone in any of the books, they need Harry there to keep the peace between them (and even he cant keep them civil to each other), and they also disagree on almost every issue. I dont think this would make any kind of a relationship, and if it did it would be very temporary as both of them would probably kill each other.

Both good points Voritian, but what if its more that with Harry around both of them are more to stay acting as friends?

Yeah, I've never actually read Arthurian legend, I just heard about its similarities to HP on PBS :p

But Voritian, are you sure they never talk alone in the books? The narrator tells the whole story from the POV of Harry (except for that first chapter in GoF, but even then that was in Harry's dream) so Ron and Hermione could possibly have had at least some conversations away from Harry. Remember, Harry also walked in on their little argument after the Yule Ball and only caught a few words of it. Laniefiel has a point, too. Maybe they're nervous about their relationship and don't know what to do (hence the reluctance to embrace) especially around Harry, since he's in the middle of them; it's always been the three of them, and a romance has the potential to ruin their triple bond. :)

Someone mentioned that Hermione and Ron never spend any time alone together. If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it RON who volunteered to help Hermione get everything together for Buckbeak's case in PoA? Harry said he would help, but he never did. Once Ron and Hermione were on speaking terms again (after the Scabbers/Crookshanks thing), Ron said (not an exact quote, but close enough) "...you won't have to do it all by yourself Hermione..." Now, HM, they'd have to be alone in the library together to research more stuff for Buckbeak's case...

Maybe they didn't spend any more time alone together than that, but that's just what I saw of them being "alone together."

Also, I was watching this 'making the movie' thing on TV about CoS and they were doing the scene at the end where Hermione hugs Harry but doesn't hug Ron. Emma didn't want to hug Dan and blah blah blah...but director Chris Columbus said "Don't hug Rupert/Ron, because that's where the tension is..." and the interviewer person said "So this is like foreshadowing of future relationships?" and Chris Columbus pretty much said yes ;D Wether he was talking about the tension of future relationships being Ron and Hermione end up hating eachother, or wether he meant ROMANTIC tension...I don't know. But, I prefer to think the latter =P

The more I think about it, the more I think this is all going to end up in some weird love triangle between the three of them! You know, where Ron and Hermione get together and Harry gets jealous and realizes his feelings for Hermione and this great battle errupts...I doubt it though, lol. That would be a little too soap-opera for JKR, haha.

Originally posted by Voritian
Hey bluemagic .

If you say so. I can accept that. I just hope you really intended to be that way... that your "previous original post" has nothing to do with my post and your not just convincing yourself. ;) But at least , it's good to hear that from you.

Anyway, have a nice day:)

Oops! By the way, Are you sure that Ron and Hermione never talked alone in any of the books? hmmm.....hmmm...
Can I give one?Maybe you just overlooked.

They went out together during the first Hogsmeade visit in POA and it was even described "as though they had the time of their lives". With this description, I can say they really had so much fun together.

JKR said that she got the name of Hermione from Shakespeare 's ....On Winter's Tale (Ame, is this right ? I'm sorry, I didn't understand the title well but it sounds that way)

I'll post the link later. She mentioned a lot about the book and even read an excerpt from her HPSS.


Have a nice day to all!;)

Im not sure if they ever talked alone I just cant remember anything offhand really. They could have though.

I disagree that Ron and Hermione are friends only because of Harry. I can't point out exactly where, but there were more than a few times that Ron and Hermione held conversations with each other. But since this is a Harry Potter adventure, we are only going to get Harry's side of the story. Any side stories between any other characters will only be witnessed in Harry's view. I'm sure that if the book was in Ron's point of view than we would get everthing, even the spats with Hermione, in his view... and so on.

I knew that Hermione's name also came from a Shakespearen play. But I figure that even Shakespeare got the idea from some where. I don't know... I still think that Hermione's name gives some foreshadowing of what may come. I'm still trying to get some more info on the story behind the name... I might come up with a better theory later on.

I could remember this debate a year ago on the old boards, hmmm it was a fierce one :p

Oh well, I'm for Ron/Hermione ship, basicly because of the all the clues that those 2 showing. It's obvious they like each other (even Hermione gives away some clues)

Here's the link I was mentioning in my previous post.

JKR mentioned how she came up with Hermione's name.She chose it because it's unusual like how the parents name their children. I don't think Hermione's name has something to do with the story. She chose Hermione's name because it has always been her favorite name. This is also the way she chose Harry's name. She discussed a lot here and it's fun to hear her reading an excerpt from HP 1. She chose to read the part when Harry gets his wand.

About Hermione's name (http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/exrad/991020.jkrowling.ram)

Here's also a link just to give more scenes from the books that Ron and Hermione are friends in their own right.They spend too much time "voluntarily" in one another's company-not just to be with Harry.

These offered not as proof of any romantic attachment between Ron and Hermione,
but simply as proof of the great friendship between the two.

Ron and Hermione: Good Friends (http://www.sugarquill.net/index.php?action=goodshiprh&st=rhtogether)

Have a nice day to all!

I really hope Hermione and Ron don't get together. They don't seem to "click" in my opinion! I know people seem to think JK is hinting towards some kind of relationship but I really don't think so. I hope Hermione, Ron, and Harry all end up with different people!

And most importantly, I HOPE BOOK 5 COMES OUT SOON!!!!!!

Okay, I'm back. I did some reading, and this s what I found out on the Shakespeare play "The Winter's Tale".

Hermione, in the play, was the wife of Leontes, the King of Sicilia. Apparantly Leontes wanted Hermione to convince his good friend Polixenes, King of Bohemia, to stay for a longer visit. Well, she did what her husband asked, and got Polixenes to stay longer. But then Leontes suspected that Hermione had an affair with his friend. Overcome, with jealousy Leontes plots to poison Polixenes, though he does get away, and impisoned Hermione on the account of adultery, though she was proclaimed innocent by the Delphic Oracle.

This is only the first part of the play, but notice the similarity to the greek myth of Hermione? I do. I still honestly believe that JKR has some plans for Hermione, and the story behind the name could play a huge part. JKR might just plain like the name, but I don't think that rules out the possibility that the origin of the name could play a part.

I am not sure about the nabe but I just listened to the clip attached by bluemagic and there one of the questions is "Will Harry and Hermione ever date?" and JKR's answer is "No. Their relationship is platonic." Thought people may be interested...

I never said they wherent friends, I said that they argue alot and dont agree on almost anything. And also all of your points on that page bluemagic either have Harry with them, or are focused around Harry in some way. Also you mention the visit to Hogsmead, it was there first time there and it is one of the only places in Britian that is a purely wizard town. There are some places where you will have a great time no matter what (and Hogsmead is probably one of those places seeing as Harry liked it every time he went there except for the last time in book 4 and that was because everyone hated him at the time). Also when two people think that someone should do the same thing, even if they arent very good friends they will play off one another to try to convince the other person (thats just the way people are). You mentioned them watching Harry play quidditch and them sending letters to each other. When they where watching quidditch they where both there to see Harry, not to see each other. And they sent letters to each other so that all of them could meet at Ron's house in the summer (That doesent mean that Ron especially wanted Hermione there, Harry could of wanted her or Ron's mom could of told him to invite her).

There is one thing I didnt mention there. When Ron and Hermione are studying together and spending time together it is only because harry is gone all the time doing quidditch matches and practicing (as many people have mentioned they dont have many friends outside of there small group because they spend to much time together).

Yes Oden Zezmic!

But what is Platonic Friends?

Platonic friends mean “without“ any romantic involvement or attraction.


But her " But I won't answer for anyone else!" Nudge nudge, wink wink" reply is more interesting.

I'm not sure if she mentioned this in this particular interview( please just check it) but she mentioned that she already planned and know what will happen in the future books and even keeping a notebook to keep her track. But, she is just too secretive. She is speaking generally about the future books not just one particular book. So, she's careful in answering.

Where is this interview anyway, I cant find it and I would like to hear it please.

Originally posted by Voritian
There is one thing I didnt mention there. When Ron and Hermione are studying together and spending time together it is only because harry is gone all the time doing quidditch matches and practicing (as many people have mentioned they dont have many friends outside of there small group because they spend to much time together).


I think at this point, I'm having the hard time to understand what you're trying to say.:??: I understand you didn't mean to imply that they are not friends.:) but I'm just starting in that point so I can explain it better.
:)

What I'm trying to express is Ron and Hermione are good friends in their own right. They spend together "voluntarily" with or without Harry.They are not friends just because of Harry. Meaning they are friends because they've wanted to.That is why there are things they do together. They maybe bickering but still they've wanted to be together and wanted to maintain their friendship. Did you recognize that despite of their constant teasing, who can make Hermione laugh always throughout the books?Considering Hermione's serious character in nature. Or to make it easier..just check the GOF. They even "also" agree with each other. What else they do? Who checks Ron's homework and even testing him.They shop shool supplies together.They write each other letters. Hermione gives Ron gift (I hope Ron reciprocates).They defend each other(Hermione to Ron and Ron to Hermione).They show concern for each other.They play chess together.Go to hogsmeade together and have fun.,.etc...etc It is not a reason that they don't have other close friends that is why they stick up together. If they don't like to be together especially during Harry's absence, Hermione will just choose to stay in the library like she always do or Ron will do something's else or to be with other students. They can simply ignore each other. Remember when Hermione had a fight with Ron? She chose to stay in the library but still she got affected about their fight because he is her friend and Hagrid even mentioned how much Hermione's "upset" when Ron was nearly attacked. If Harry is only their connection, I don't think they will do all these things for each other.They can mind their own business. But it's not. They simply and "willingly" do these things together. I am not giving any romantic implications here but just simply stating that they are friends in their own right not just to be with Harry.

I hope you actually get what I exactly mean.

;)

Here's the interview
JKR's interview (http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/exrad/991020.jkrowling.ram)


Have a nice day!!! and Happy listening

:)

What I am saying is that they arent that good friends, and that the only times they spend alone are when they have to (because harry is somewhere else). And they only are together when Harry is gone because they dont have that many other friends that are there age anyway.

Well, I think they are good friends. In fact, very good friends. Only good friends do that for each other. :) Perhaps, you only remember the times they're bickering (honestly, I remember the bickering first also) but I've just realized there are a lot, lot more and sensible things they're doing for each other and doing together other than that. ;)

Hope you've managed to hear the interview:)

Have a nice day!

Yea, I don't think thats true either. If they weren't good friends, they wouldn't spend any time together at all when harry isnt there. Ron would hang out with dean and seamus, like he did in GoF when he and harry weren't talking to eachother, and hermione would most likely have spent her time in the library. I agree with bluemagic.

Hey darlingchild they didnt spend almost any time together in GoF, they only spent time together in the other books. And that was when they didnt have that many friends that where there age anyway.

Vartian....:)

I Hope you don't mind.
Are you sure again that they didn't spend almost any time together in GOF? ;) You've might overlooked little things.;)

And I think, it's not a reason that they are together or do things together or do things for each other because they have less friends?As I've said they can simply ignore each other or mind their own business, they will not bother to show concern for each other, they will not defend each other, etc...etc... but since they are "very good friends in their own right" not only just to be with Harry or Harry is only their connection, they simply and "willingly" like to do things together or do these things for each other.;)


Have a nice day!
:)

There have been alot of times where they do just ignore each other (not for as long as Harry and Ron did but it happens for often with them). I dont think they hate each other also, I just dont think they are very good friends. And when you dont know alot of other people your age somewhere you will stay with people you know very well. Also Ron almost always complains about having to do something Hermione tells them to.

I'm sure they are friends, or at least I'm sure we are meant to have the idea that they are friends - although I agree with Voritian that they don't always come across as having much in common that would make them want to hang around with eachother. And it is true that much of their interactions have something to do with Harry - but then the books are about him, so of course that is what she writes about.

I do expect that we will see some developments between Ron and Hermione, and despite the fact that I wouldn't like this, it is true that opposites attract.

Then again, opposites may attract, but it is common ground on which you can build, and I believe that Harry and Hermione have more common ground for something to build on.

But, I really hope the focus of the books doesn't change.

Hey bluemagic the interview in your post is almost 4 years old, she did say Harry and Hemione would never go out but she also said that when she released her last book she would of been working on them for thirteen years, and since she started thirteen years ago that means she would already have released all of them and that obviously hasent happend.

That interview was done just after PoA was released in July 1999. SO it is actually 3 years old. Anyway, she has worked onm them for 12 years and she has only panned it out. She hasn't wrtten them yet!!! Only worked out plot lines, character history, what things happen in the wizard world. That is why the books are so great because JKR is a perfectionist and plans every minute detail!!!

Anyway, back on topic!!! Ron and Hermione are good friends. People won't hang around each other (even if it was Harry) if they weren't good friends. Anyway, that thing about Platonic thing, there was something on the Newsround website last year July or August 2001 saying that Harry, in book 5 will date someone who is a member of a Quidditch team and also, will take an interest in Hermione. The Newsround website deleted this artcle (well, I can't find it anymore, but is was post on MNet) because they updated it and the dates only goes up tot he end of Noverber 2001!!! Damm those Newsround crew!!!

If it was done in July that that is about three years and seven months ago, which is closed to 4 years. And also she said she would have the last one released in thirteen years, so unless she releases the rest of them in the next 5 months then she didnt do what she said she was going to do. Also just because she says something in an interview 4 years ago doesent mean that she has to stay with what she said. She said in that interview that she changes her mind on stuff every month and never says she wont do anything.

Yes! that interview was taken last Oct. 20,1999 from National Press Club Author's Luncheon ...few months after the released of PoA.

And when the Goblet of Fire was released, we can see that the reason for her reply with "nudge..nudge..wink... wink" has something to do with Ron and Hermione which she also confirmed during her Oct. 20, 2000 and March 12, 2001 inteview (From Barnes and Noble and BBC Red Nose day interview respectively) that something's going on between the two of them.

If we will notice, JKR is consistent in her answers. I've been collecting most of her interviews/chat transcripts and it seems to me that she's even hinting for Harry and Ginny romance possibilty. But it's another story:)

But there's one JKR's interview last year which caught my attention but I unfortunately missed the source:( (BBC or Reuter ?) stating that in book 5 "Harry would go out with someone that had been in all of her books, but it wouldn't be Hermione". That's why, I kept tracing all the characters who are present in 4 books just to give myself an idea. Padma?Lavander? Ginny? Millicent?:??: As of "Harry will date someone who is a member of a Quidditch team", I think I've read that one too. I'm keeping "formulation notes" based from JKR's interviews/articles and one of which includes the possibility of Ginny who is present in all her books might join the Quidditch team. And since JKR said that she will play a bigger role in book 5, this can be possible idea. But the "Harry will take an interest in Hermione", I`m afraid, I haven't encountered that yet. Or else, I should have started formulating already or at least it includes in my notes ;)

Anyway, who knows, JKR will surprise us. But one thing for sure, Whoever ends up with who, JKR will write it brilliantly. I just can't imagine HP turning out to be like a soap opera.

Springy,
Your "She hasn`t written them yet!!!" line made me really smile;)

Voritian,
May I suggest that you hear the interview again, it seems you're missing something.:)


Have a nice day to all;)




"Poor Ginny, languishing in love for Harry, and he's merrily asking out other girls right under her nose! But that's just a boy thing."
~ J.K. Rowling ~

I believe so, Springy!!:)

People won't hang around each other if they weren't good friends.

Hello tcboo!!:)

That is the funny thing:) Despite that they don't always come across as having much in common, they still want to maintain their friendship. Anyway, aside from constant "teasing", they also do and share a lot of sensible things;) ...like playing chess, they study together and many more....Because they are good friends in their own right.;)

Ron and Hermione: Good friends (http://www.sugarquill.net/index.php?action=goodshiprh&st=rhtogether)

Have a nice day to all:)

Holy... this is one long thread. I don't know whether is was masochism or just persistance, but I finally read through all of them. LOL

But, I wanted to add my thoughts. I'm going to be as unbiased as possible, although I'm sure that there will be some bias. I think Hermione/Ron is the most likely scenario of the main 3 that are being talked about. (R/H; H/H; and H/G) I don't know why there is some ridiculous speculation that Ron and Hermione aren't even good friends. I mean, they interact with each other over summer vacation (The Grangers and Weasleys were meeting up with each other in Diagon Alley in CoS). They spend time together sans Harry. And because it is written in the POV of Harry, there may be more times that they spend together than are known. We only really know what Harry knows.

Blah blah, opposites attract and Ron's humorous, care-free attitude is counter to Hermione's know-it-all, rule following traits. But they also have common ground. Probably not as much as Harry and Hermione, but they do. For one thing, Harry and Hagrid as friends. They do adventures together too, so their experiences are much the same.

I believe that Hermione's feelings are ambiguous and confused. I think she "likes" both of them but in different ways. The way that she likes Harry is more maternal. She's more concerned about his safety. There are plenty of examples when she asks whether Harry is ok. Examples that I don't need to cite since it has been done to death in this thread. (meaning, I'm lazy :P) The way that she likes Ron is that he inflames her, both in good and bad ways. Their constant fighting, you know?

But, they care for each other deeply as well. It's a perfect love/hate relationship. If Ron didn't care for or wasn't a good friend of Hermione, then why do Draco's insults get such a rise out of Ron? Incidentally, there is a passage I'll like to cite that will thoroughly debunk Draco/Hermione as well as be an example of Ron's feelings about Hermione. It's in CoS, Chapter 15 (Aragog) Pg. 267 of US Paperback edition:


"I'm quite surprised the Mudbloods haven't all packed their bags by now", Malfoy went on. "Bet you five Galleons the next one dies. Pity it wasn't Granger --"
The bell rang at that moment, which was lucky; at Malfoy's last words, Ron had leapt off his stool, and in the scramble to collect bags and books, his attempts to reach Malfoy went unnoticed.
"Let me at him," Ron growled as Harry and Dean hung onto his arms. "I don't care, I don't need my wand, I'm going to kill him with my bare hands --"


Such a passionate response is even atypical of Ron, unless he has some extra-friendly feelings towards Hermione. And as a side-note, wishing that someone had died in terrifying circumstances is indicative of a real slimeball. Sorry, but Draco hasn't shown me that he has any redeemable traits making fanfics that have D/H totally ludicrous.

Now, I would also like to say that Harry/Hermione is still in the realm of possibility. They too are good friends. But the way I've interpreted the books and JKR's quotes, it's not as likely to happen as H/R. The "platonic friends" quote is very indicative that H/H is less likely. From the way it sounds, JKR doesn't answer many questions about what happens in future books. Yet she was adamant about this. This suggests that she won't change her mind. But there is also the contention that R/H is too obvious. Well... I don't know. Like I said before, I think Hermione likes both of them, but Hermione doesn't want to distract Harry from pursuing someone else like Cho. She's not really comfortable with these feelings, so of course she'll be ambiguous and subtle about it. The only time that she's not subtle is in GoF with the Yule Ball. She's more upset at Ron after the Yule Ball because he was being rude and jealous, but also felt like a second fiddle. She's not as upset at Harry because she realizes that Harry is as uncomfortable as she is in showing feelings. I believe that Herm/Ron would be a more passionate coupling, still. On the other hand, Harry and Hermione would be a more stable and potentially longer lasting relationship.

To sum this up amongst the triumvirate, I believe Ron really has a crush on Hermione, but hasn't acheived the maturity to express that in an adequate way; Hermione likes both of them, but she doesn't know yet how; Harry never really thought of Hermione in any other way than platonic. That is up to now. Many things can happen in Book 5. It was said that Hermione will "lighten up". Well, how about Ron getting more mature? This could be further proof of a R/H match. It's a chicken-egg situation though. Will they finally come together because Hermione lightens up and Ron matures? Or vice versa?

And don't forget Ginny and Cho. It remains to be seen whether Harry pursues Cho. I think his crush will cool into friendship. Ginny is also another variable. I sincerely believe that she is growing out of her hero-worship phase and maturing. She went through the traumatic experience with Tom Riddle's diary. That's enough to kill some innocence and naivete. There is also evidence that she's talking to Harry if not as a friend, then at least an acquaintance. Like the World Cup for instance. But, there is not enough evidence to suggest that Harry and Ginny will be a couple. I don't know what her expanded role will be. It might be as Harry's beau. It might be something else.

In conclusion, the only one that I see with any reasonable likelihood is Ron and Hermione. Harry and Hermione are too introverted to go for one another without a big push. Harry and Ginny is merely speculation. Harry and Cho is unlikely because I don't think she will or will ever like Harry romantically. She's older, don't forget. I believe we shall see when we shall see. I'm anxious for the 5th book.

I think that hagrids post is very good, but there is one thing I would like to say, I think that Harry was just as mad when draco said that stuff about Hermione but was more mature about it. Also he seems more to keep his feelings and thoughts to himself until he has thought them threw very clearly, Ron though seems to say anything that he thinks of without thinking it threw at all (I know Harry has done stuff without thinking before but not nearly as much as Ron has).

There is something else I want to say but since it has nothing to do with my other post I want to make another one. I dont think that Harry and Hermione will be anything more than friends for at least two more books, but on the last book I believe that something will happen with them.

That's very likely. I do imply that possibility in saying that Harry and Hermione have the better chance at a long-lasting relationship. As for Harry being angry with Draco's remarks, you're very right. I wrote such a long post and had so many thoughts that I just forgot to add that. But Harry's more level-headed, so of course he won't make a scene quite like Ron.

Originally posted by Hagrid442
Holy... this is one long thread. I don't know whether is was masochism or just persistance, but I finally read through all of them. LOL

Congratulations!!! Hagrid442 :clappy:

Originally posted by Hagrid442
I don't know why there is some ridiculous speculation that Ron and Hermione aren't even good friends.
me either:sigh:

Originally posted by Hagrid442
Now, I would also like to say that Harry/Hermione is still in the realm of possibility. They too are good friends. But the way I've interpreted the books and JKR's quotes, it's not as likely to happen as H/R. The "platonic friends" quote is very indicative that H/H is less likely. From the way it sounds, JKR doesn't answer many questions about what happens in future books. Yet she was adamant about this. This suggests that she won't change her mind. But there is also the contention that R/H is too obvious. Well... I don't know.


I see it that way too. If we will make speculations based from her interviews, She is consistent and R/H is too obvious that this will likely to more happen.But when? In GOF, JKR just introduced that the trio notices boys and girls as boys and girls. If ever R/H will finally happen and if JKR really intends to go for it, I guess, I can see it more clearly in later books but not in book 5. Considering the characters of R and H, I don't expect them to jump in an instant relationship. I guess JKR is still taking her time and might still create more conflicts(involving Krum/Fleur perhaps) or other subplots before she will finally make R/H happen.

But if we will make speculations based from the way we interpret her books, our options are open. ;) We are not restricted in R/H only.That is why there are lots of "healthy" discussions :sigh: Everything is possible.;)

Hmm....hmm Anyway, JKR may just surprise us. Draco/Hermione ?Harry/Millicent ? (Just kidding;))

(Note to JKR: please,please bring out book 5 now) :'(

Ok! so going back to the book.

While I'm reading, aside from scrutinzing every words or dialogues, I always take extra look also to the words which are written in "light italic". It seems to me that it's like a sort of hint and try to interpet it.I've started with chapter 7of GOF since it appears to me as the start of giving hints for any possible turn of events when romance is concern.

I've took note of this in "Bagman and Crouch" chapter.This is the chapter before the World Cup Chapter where the Veela thing is introduced.

Does anyone came across that Ron gave Hermione the first impression "that he is one of those people who doesn't care for looks as long as the person is "genius" (The word genius is written in italics)

What can you say about this?

This interests me, so I looked for any hints the concerns Hermione espceially her dialogues and expressions.What Hermione cares about?

From Chapter 7 up to Chapter 21(The House-elf Liberation Front). The" Unexpected Task" is chapter 22 where the announcement of Yule ball is included.


I've noticed that:

Hermione doesn't care if a person is handsome.She doesn't go for looks.
She doesn't care if a person is a Quidditch player. She can go for a non-Quidditch player too.
She doesn't care if a person is famous. She can go for ordinary person too.
But Hermione cares if a person is "at least with sense of humor." So she likes somebody who can make her laugh or smile at least.

It seems to me that " laughter factor" can make any difference in Hermione's case.

But I'ved noticed that even in Harry's case, considering his serious nature but he's capable to laugh, he pointed this out too many times in the book. "what laughter can make the difference (Chapter 19, 21).

Going back to Hermione,I'm wondering now, considering her serious nature again who is capable to laugh too, who among the HP characters makes her laugh or smile?

I'm not trying to imply or prove anything. As I've said. I'm in search of hints and these are just one of those many hints I've encountered. But I found this very basic.

have a nice day to all!;)

Umm Blue could you possibly quote the lines where Ron gives the impression that he doesn't go for looks rather than genius in that chapter? Cause all I remember specifically about that veelas chapter was he and Harry both acting like idiots and ready to leap to their deaths. Also, Mr. Weasley clearly pointing out that that is why looks isn't the most important thing. The only other time I remember Ron and Hermione talking about looks was when he implied that she only liked Diggory because he was good looking and she responded that she didn't like people just because they were handsome.
Wait; unless you're referring to when Hermione said Krum wasn't very good-looking? Is that it? Cause I remember Ron saying that Krum was a genius. If that's the incident then I don't think that was a big deal. I think you maybe overanalyzing these books a bit. Ron was simply acting like any teenage boy excited over a sporting hero. I mean I hardly think boys care whether or not their sports heroes are good looking(if they did I'd be worried). I mean you hardly hear guys excited about how hot David Beckham is(even if he really is), their excited about his skills. That's why Ron responded as such; simply to say who cares if the guy's good looking he is amazingly talented. That's why the genius was in italics; to stress how talented Krum was. I mean JK went on to show by detailing the entire match just how good the guy was.
Now I can counter that there were more instances showing how Ron pays more attention to looks.(Not that that makes him a bad person, he is a normal teenage boy just discovering girls).
He was in awe of Fleur,convinced she was a veela. Even if he was half right, and many others were in awe of her, notice Harry never was.
He made the comment that they should ask someone quickly before they end up with trolls and admitted to hermione that he would rather go with someone pretty even if they weren't nice than someone ugly.
Now I'm convinced that Ron's just young and will eventually mature and discover that there's more to a girl than looks but he has time, he's only 14. I just wanted to suggest I guess that in trying to prove that R/H like each other you may reading too deeply into some things.

Originally posted by lleyki

Wait; unless you're referring to when Hermione said Krum wasn't very good-looking? Is that it? Cause I remember Ron saying that Krum was a genius. If that's the incident then I don't think that was a big deal. I think you maybe overanalyzing these books a bit. Ron was simply acting like any teenage boy excited over a sporting hero. I mean I hardly think boys care whether or not their sports heroes are good looking(if they did I'd be worried). I mean you hardly hear guys excited about how hot David Beckham is(even if he really is), their excited about his skills. That's why Ron responded as such; simply to say who cares if the guy's good looking he is amazingly talented. That's why the genius was in italics; to stress how talented Krum was. I mean JK went on to show by detailing the entire match just how good the guy was.


I understand in that way too. It is also one of my many options. The "genius"decription of Krum even gave me an idea to think about his character throughout the books. Is JKR just stressing it out how talented he is or giving me hints to check Krum's character through out the books. But that's another angle already.
Options..options....options..there are lots of them.
Anyway,it could be a double meaning or there can be onother meaning behind that. And, There's no written words how Hermione reacts or think after that.Will she interpret just simply like what Ron stressing to her about Krum?Will she ever think that for Ron looks are not important as long as a person is talented?Is JKR just simply showing us only how typical boy Ron is and just stressing how talented is Krum? Who knows? Everything is possible. I'm just considering what would be the effect of that simple line "as it appears to be" to the later part of the book. Not only romantically.;) My options are always open;) I didn't start with R/H or any pairing and then look for any possible hints to prove it. On the contrary, While reading from the start of the book, I'm just considering for any hints that will likely gave me an idea to "all" other possible romantic pairings and just this particular part caught my attention and gave an idea to start to think about R/H. As I've said, I am not proving anything. I hope you understand what I mean.;) Personally, I find it useless and difficult to start with conclusion then look for facts or evidence. But I'm more confortable to use the "scientific way". I would rather gather all facts and evidence first, evaluate/interpret them and then go for a conclusion;) Why the book is so complicated?:sigh: I might post next time, what I think, would be the effect of that line or how can it be associated during the World Cup with Veelas.

As I've said, those words written in italics can simply mean a hint(direct or indirect) or just simply stressing something . There's one that until now I'm looking for associated events which actually gave me the idea to start to take an extra look of all those italic words. I know there's no romantic implications here but It made justt curious.

When Harry is trying to save Hermione under the lake. He said.
She's my friend ,too! ....And I don't want them die, either!"

(It's written Hermione's head was on Cho's shoulder.)

I think,something is incorrect with the sentence.


Harry is just simply in dilemma or there's something to do about death.


What can you say about this?;)

Have a nice day to all:)

Hey bluemagic I understand what you are saying in your post except for when you say that Ron is more concered about how a person is than how the look, there are many examples in the story that say that is not true at all (there are alot of them in the other posts on this page so I am not going to post them).

Umm Blue I would like to give an opinion on that sentence but I'm not really sure what you're asking. You said something's wrong with the sentence; do you mean in the printing or something is interesting in the wording? In any case I simply interpret that as Hermione being just as important to Harry as Ron. I mean alot of people felt that the two not talking to each other showed that Harry is closer to Ron than Hermione; however I think it may simply be that there are things he can do with Ron that he can't with Hermione. I mean Hermione is not that obsessed with Quidditch and there's no way he could break the rules with her.
The comment about " them " simply means that while these people weren't as important in his life; being the way he is he didn't want anything happening to anyone who was innocent. It is interesting that Cho was there when he made that comment but if you read a post I made earlier about Harry ending up alone; you would see how I use that to show that Harry and Cho won't happen because it's just a crush. When push came to shove Hermione was way more important to him and he doesn't even have romantic feelings for her. Hope that helped.
Oh and Blue I love how excited you seem about all this but you maybe making the books more complex than they really are sometimes. Like that scene with Krum and the whole genuis thing, I think that was pretty straightforward. Sometimes an apple is just an apple. I know JK likes surprises and weird twists but I find she tends to that mainly with the main plot and not other things. Main plot being whatever particular mystery Harry and company are trying to solve, which of course is always connected to Voldemort. Therefore like I said earlier, unless romantic relationships are going to affect the main plot significantly I don't think she'd make it so complex as you think. However, that's not to say that the relationships won't affect the main plot. If that's the case, I for one can't wait to see how.
If JK would ever get around to giving us BK.5; sorry I couldn't help it.:) I'm getting a little impatient here.

I think that the only reason he got Ron first was because Dobby told him that was who he was supposed to get, and he knew that he other people would come and get everyone else. I know a little while later he realized that one of them couldnt get there so he got the last person but at first he thought that everyone would. I dont know who he would of gotten first if Dobby hadent told him that they had taken Ron, but I think he would of known anyway because none of the other people even knew Ron and they did know Hermione so he probably would of gotten Ron first anyway.

Not totally on the current thought trend, but still on the over all topic. I was rereading COS right before I went to see the movie, and a question has been running through my head since. When Harry gets all those books from Lockhart, why does he not give them to his best friend, Ron? He gives them to Ginny. It seemed kind of odd when I first read it, and still does. I don't think that this is proof that H/G is going to happen, but it does give me the impression that it is a possibility. I think it shows that he does notice her a little, and does care for her.... a little. Any thoughts?

No, it is because Ron doesn't like being handed stuff. He doesn't like other people buying him stuff. I don't know why. Harry gave some books to Ginny because some of the books he doesn't need for the second year, and so gave it to Ginny.

well heard a lot of speculation here ,heres mine remember at the end of goblet of fire Fleur Delacour says she might take a job near hogwarts to improve her english.Could she be the teacher /student that Harry and Snape have a crush on ,I mean she is part VEELA ;)
im not too sure on this but it will make an intersting twist.Please post your opinions on this.
This is my firt posting hope its good.
see u guys later

Originally posted by lleyki
Umm Blue

Actually, personally speaking the book is really getting complex:) When I've got my copies of HPs (Yes! I bought them at the same time) and realized that the story in book 1 is connected to book 2 and connected to book 3 and so on. I've took down notes and made tables/charts of each passages or lines from each book(starting with book 1 of course) and place all the possible options/interpretations I can give or what I hear from others which I think is really possible and try to incorporate them with other events.What would be the effects of each interpretation to other passages? I even using "knowdown sytem" sometimes if I see a particular option has nothing to do or will not effect the next events of the books. I even made charts of each character how they are described or the reactions they make or what they do if they are embarassed, guilty, happy, lonely or angry..etc from book 1.I'm interested to see the consistency of their characters and they're description is really consistent. JKR is really a genius!That is why by book 4, I'm quite aware if one character is being described this way or react this way, I can say if she or he is happy, guilty etc I don't trust my first impression and settled my idea.I really evaluate every detail. Yes, I know my way is "crazy, complicated and cruel" but it's the only way I know to make "logical analysis" and it gives me "personal sartisfaction" in the end;) Before I reached the last chapter in book 1, I had an idea already that Quirrel is the bad guy. The same with book 2, I have the idea that it's Ginny has something to do about the opening of the Chamber. So with book 3 about Sirus and Peter and in book 4 about Mad-Eye Moody and Crouch. I am not saying that I am good or always right but so far 95% of my assumptions/evaluations are still in the right track. Actually, I think, I'm killing the suspense for myself.But, still I'm keeping all the hints for future use and I know there are still hints that I might be neglecting and will be needing for the future books.

And based from my experience analyzing the first three books, I've realized that what I thought "an apple is just an apple" thing is not always. That is why how I found JKR very,very amazing because I've noticed how she managed "a simple passage as it appears to be" but behind it, she can be able to incorporate two or three hints at the same time in "differect aspects" and "different degree of importance" and still be able to associate them to the future events of the books. No wonder she's really keeping notes for records. Naturally, there as some passages which are just straightforward and I really can't give any possible other interpretation. :)

As I've mentioned before, If I post something here, I'm just giving my humble share to anybody who are "willingly" and interested for other possible options and to have larger perceptions.But If they are closed-minded, that is another story. And I don't have any intention to change anybody's mind.;)

Originally posted by lleyki
It is interesting that Cho was there when he made that comment but if you read a post I made earlier about Harry ending up alone; you would see how I use that to show that Harry and Cho won't happen because it's just a crush. When push came to shove Hermione was way more important to him and he doesn't even have romantic feelings for her. Hope that helped. [/B]

I think that way too. but If you notice the phrase.
"She".......and "them"?



Voritian!!!;)

I think you are lost again!It seems sou didn't understand the whole idea. Please read my previous post;)


Ok! have a nice day to all
;)

Hey bluemagic my posts arent about anything you have written, you need to understand that. I am giving what I think the reasons are for certain things and they have nothing to do with you or what you write (they arent about you unless I am telling you something).

Okay; I hear you Blue, but your conclusions made because of character analysis and all the extra work you've done; are connected to the main plot like I've said. I mean Quirrel, Ginny and the chamber, Sirius and Peter and Crouch and Moody; all these twists and evidence had to do with the main mystery of the particular novel. Which was my point, that she does have alot of plot twists and surprises when it comes to main plot but with other minor details she tends to be pretty straightforward. I mean if she had to make every aspect of of the books some twist or play in words it would be exhausting. Therefore something like the whole Krum ; genuis thing was pretty clear I think. However, I also said that I wasn't saying the relationships might not play a part. They might and that would be very interesting to see how she weaves it all in.
To the conclusions of all the books; not to discredit your hard work(I mean if you keep this up you might be a great forensic expert or criminal detective one day), but I think some people who are obsessed with mysteries could have figured them out. I have watched so much Murder She Wrote and Perry Mason it's ridiculos. As a result, most of the conclusions was obvious. I mean there was no way Snape could have been guilty in BK, 1; too obvious. It would have been anti-climatic, because there would have been no surprise. Quirrel was just too conveniently around. It was obvious Ginny was somehow involved in BK.2 but she obviously couldn't have been the heir, the only other person in that particular book with no real purpose was Tom Riddle. Malfoy couldn't be guilty, he's the nemesis, the story needs him. I could go on but you get the picture. The only thing is I need JK to tie things in; but I'm hardly ever surprised by the guilty person. I mean wasn't everyone suspicious of why exactly Crookshanks seemed to be going after Scabbers and highly suspicious of Peter's death and the most telling comment was the fact that he was never quite as good as Peter and Sirius and that he always followed them around? Psychology shows people like that almost always develop resentment towards their friends who are better than them.
Okay I've gone way off topic here but I guess I was trying to respond to your post. Sorry to anyone who might be lost as to why I'm discussing this here.

Sorry in the last sentence I meant he was never as good as James and Sirius. Sorry.:)

We can't forget about Fleur and Bill Weasly. I think Fleur will definately hang around the Hogwarts area, it sure seemed that way at the end of the GoF and I think Bill Weasly is just the type of guy she needs.

Voritian
Hey bluemagic my posts arent about anything you have written, you need to understand that. I am giving what I think the reasons are for certain things and they have nothing to do with you or what you write (they arent about you unless I am telling you something).

Hmmm....hmmm...I don't think I will respond to you if I haven't read this one before (see below) and I think this one addresses to me. right?;)

Voritian
Hey bluemagic I understand what you are saying in your post except for when you say that Ron is more concered about how a person is than how the look, there are many examples in the story that say that is not true at all (there are alot of them in the other posts on this page so I am not going to post them).

and I'm responding to the above quote:) that is why I said ....
I think you are lost again! It seems you didn't understand the whole idea.I mentioned that Ron is giving the impression what he cares before the "World Cup Chapter". And what I'm implying that irony begins during the that WC chapter because he acted the opposite way. Please read my previous,previous post.;)

Ok! Have a nice day to all;)

I think you dont know what you are talking about bluemagic, sorry not trying to be mean or anything. But all I was saying is that Ron does care about looks more than how someone acts and who they are, there are so many examples of this in the book, and since you have read it alot you should be able to find them. Also I would like to say that the book isnt as complicated as you think it is, this book was made for children and she does not expect everyone to take notes on everything to understand what happens. I think you are reading way to far into this book and getting things that have nothing to do with each other and trying to make something of them.

I really haven't had time to read the many, many posts on the topic, but I've read enough of the more recent ones to believe that we've gotten a little OFF the general topic of Who's Gonna Hook Up With Who. I'd like to offer my little insights, sorry if I'm interrupting anyone's tangent . . .

I would like to see Harry and Hermione together. Maybe it's because I've been spoiled by the X-Files fanworld, in which Scully and Mulder (who are best, best friends and would give their lives for each other) have a lot of shipper support (and they DO get together in the end). I just believe firmly, as Scully says in The Rain King (season 6), "It seems to me that the best relationships, the ones that last, are frequently the ones that are rooted in friendship. You know, one day you look at the person and you see something more than you did the night before. Like a switch has been flicked somewhere, and the person who was just a friend is suddenly the only person you can imagine yourself with." Now, I know that quote, which is my absolute favorite X-Files quote ever! applies both to Ron and Harry for Hermione. However, I'd like to see Harry and Hermione together because Harry IS the main character of the story, and I think it would be very sketchball to just have him fall for some random girl we've never met. I really don't want him with Ginny because she's really not a main character; a partner for Harry has to be strong and vibrant, so that he can have a relationship like his parents did. I think somewhere it's mentioned that James and Lily Potter were Head Boy and Girl in their seventh year (correct me, please, if I'm mistaken)---Harry's "perfect other" needs to be that kind of a girl, the kind that can be Head Girl, someone smart and reliable and strong, like Hermione. Ginny just doesn't have it in her. And Cho . . . eh, she doesn't impress me, and I read somewhere that J.K. Rowling says he'll get over her. Anyway, if I were writing the Harry Potter series, that's what I'd do---Harry with Hermione, find a good girl for Ron. However, I'm not writing it, so it'll probably be Ron and Hermione, which won't kill me because I like Ron. I'm just saying that if she makes Hermione be with Ron, Harry's one and only better be impressive.

HAHA, I have found the quote from JKR saying that Harry will take more of an interest in Hermione. I told you I will find it somewhere, and it took some digging as well. It is not directly linked to the CBBC website since they deleted from some reason which I don't know of, but I have found two source, one from the Darkmark Forums, (by the way, that forum sticks) and from the very first version of "The Leaky Cauldron", which is completely different layout to what we know and love today. Well, I am babbing on a bit here, but here are the link.

Dark Mark Forum, post 5, username, Darla
http://www.darkmark.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=3678

And good old leaky cauldron at:
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.net/bbcinterview2.shtml

EDIT: Sorry, The Leaky Cauldron link I gave you isn't the one we love. It is a completely different website. Sorry!!!

There is something alot of people have been saying that they say means it will be Ron and Hermione and not Harry and Hermione. They have said that when draco insults Hermione, Ron always get very angry at him and says alot of threats and stuff to him. But noone ever mentions that when Harry and Ron arent talking to each other and draco insults Hermione that Harry actually attacks draco and doesent just threaten him ( I know that he also said stuff about Harry, but Harry didnt do anything until he starting saying stuff about Hermione).

Voritian!!!
Please:( I suggest you should go over with your posts again
Your post on November 30th, 2002 7:02 pm was address to me (starting with hey bluemagic) so I've just responded.
Your second post on December 1st, 2002 5:00 pm

or if you can't......

Have you ever notice that you started your post(November 30th, 2002 7:02 pm)with " hey bluemagic" So I believe it's address to me. Am I right?
So I think it is just proper to respond to you. Now please don't tell me that your post has nothing to do anything about my posts and I need to understand that. Then why you wrote "hey bluemagic"?
And as for reading the book, yes I've read them a lot. That is why, what I'm implying again in my previous post if you don't understand that "despite Ron mentioned that he doesn't care about the looks as long as the person is genius"(in Bagman and Crouch Chapter) he acted the "opposite way" once the veelas were introduced
in the next chapter. So there's a "twist" created. It means he cared for the look now because of the way he acted in the next chapter. And I believe that the veela is introduced here as a first sign "that the boys are starting to notice other girls" and how Hermione will react about this,Witnessing her 2 best friends noticing girls for the first time?Of course, there's a lesson behind this that don't go for looks, it can decieve you.
I really hope that you understand what I really mean in my previous,previous post. I can't find any other way to explain for you.If you have just asked me for more clarifacations before I could have done it easily and willingly for you.
Are you sure that the books were made for children only?JKR really intended the books for children first(HP1) but as the series goes higher it didn't turn out the way she planned.Meaning, parental guidance is needed because it's getting darker and complicated. Have you heard the interview again or read any article JKR talking about her books?
And Please, you should understand that I don't take notes on everything just to understand what happens. That is another thing. And I dont think JKR expects her readers to that either. But I do take "passages from the books and analyze them which I think will give me a hint or idea for whatever "new twist" she's planning to write for her future books and see how are these gonna be associated.Im doing it "personally" just to see the connections of each event and to understand also her writing styles. That is why I've mentioned that she is genius because "a simple passage as it appears to be really simple" but behind it, she can be able to incorporate two or three hints at the same time in "differect aspects" and "different degree of importance" and still be able to associate them to the future events of the books.
I just hope next time make things clearer.ok? Sorry, If I made you feel bad somehow:( Please accept my apology.


Anyway,let's go back again to the topic:)

Have a nice day!!!;)

lleyki !

I've only mentioned the "simply things" just to give examples because I'm afraid that I might be misunderstood or my words will be misinterpreted (again?) if I will write down my sensational and freaky ideas in all aspects of the book. Anyway, I understand what you mean that she has lots of plot twists and surprises to her main plot and it will be really very exhausting for her to do that in every aspect of her books. But as I've mentioned, I've realized and I am really surprised how she can manage that. She can make "a simple passage as it appears to be really simple" but behind it, she can be able to incorporate two or three hints at the same time in "differect aspects (1 or 2 maybe" and "different degree of importance" and still be able to associate them to the future events of the books. Yes!She is focus on her mainplot but she can still do "some magic" to her subplots without affecting the mainplot.;)That is what I've noticed in her writing style. She is really a genius. I can understand why it's taking lot of time about her "little tweaking".
That is why I've mentioned it's difficult to site just one passage from the book just to support any pairing. There will always be loopholes or disagreement. Lots of events are associated and needs a lot of explanation. I Anyway, we just wait and see ;).... Very anxious for book 5;)
I can be wrong with my assumptions despite of more than character and event analyis I've done in 4 books he he he;) And since , romance is the concern in this thread will concentrate on that particular aspect of the book. ;)

Sorry to all if I took different turn:)I just took time to exchange ideas.

Have a nice day!!!

Originally posted by Springy
HAHA, I have found the quote from JKR saying that Harry will take more of an interest in Hermione.

Hello Springy! I am sorry but it seems, you read it wrong:(

Romance

"They're 15 now, hormones working overtime. "Harry has to ask some questions, that I hope the reader will think: 'Well, why hasn't he asked this before?'"


I was not able to find "Hermione" but "hormone". I think it is "a little bit more" different:)

I think Darla read it quite wrong too.


Please still keep smiling:)

Blue, Voritian, and Ilyeki... please don't take what each other is saying too personally. I believe what everyone needs is an agreement to disagree.

I, myself, believe Ron and Hermione more likely in Book 5, which is the original question. However, after that, Harry and Hermione has a viable likelihood too. It's no secret that Harry cares for Hermione very much.

Everything's up in the air.

I am sorry about it. I know it's not really right even I try to sound nicely . I will edit it.

Erm, bluemagic, you missed a bit!!!

Read on a bit okies!!! It took me an hour to find this and I am not worng!!


Harry has already been interested in a "quidditch" team-mate in Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire, the fourth book in the series - but will now develop more of an interest in Hermione, one of his best friends.

Springy?:)

I see...
Hmm....hmmm...
First, It is under the "film category". About the HP movie.It has nothing to do with the books.
Second,it's not quoted that JKR mentioned that like the way she's quoted in the first two paragraphs:(
Third,It looks like an assumption only from the one who wrote it. I think if JKR have said it, it will be mentioned under romance not in Film and it will be quoted.

I hope you understand what I mean.:)

Harry might take an interest in Hermione, but there's already something going on between Ron and Hermione.

Take this interview (http://www.geocities.com/aberforths_goat/October_2000_Live_Chat_Barnes_Noble.htm) for instance:
Question:Is it just me, or was something going on between Ron and Hermione during the last half of Goblet of Fire?

Rowling: Yes, something's "going on," but Ron doesn't realize it yet. Typical boy.

Hey bluemagic I said the post that you had used in your post wasent about me, I said the only posts that where about you is when I asked you something. Also he was talking about a guy if you didnt notice when he said that Krum was really good at quidditch and it didnt matter how he looked, he wasent saying that about a girl. It means a completely different thing, Hermione was trying to say that Krum wasent anything that great and since Krum was almost a hero to Ron he tried to defend him. It is not the same at all when you are talking about a girl. There is one more thing, Ron even says later in the book that he doesent care what the girl is like just as long as she looks good. And I know you are going to say that he didnt think that way at the beginning of the book, but the truth is Ron never said anything about what he thinks is more important in a girl at the beginning of the book. But he did say the looks where more important later in the book.

Posted by Bluemagic.
Are you sure that the books were made for children only?JKR really intended the books for children first(HP1) but as the series goes higher it didn't turn out the way she planned.Meaning, parental guidance is needed because it's getting darker and complicated.

These are labeled as childrens books bluemagic, so no matter what you think they are, that is what they are classified as sorry. And she said many times that she knew the whole story before she even published the first book and they where all planned (you said this many times also in defense of you posts).

Posted by bluemagic.
First, It is under the "film category". About the HP movie.It has nothing to do with the books.
Second,it's not quoted that JKR mentioned that like the way she's quoted in the first two paragraphs
Third,It looks like an assumption only from the one who wrote it. I think if JKR have said it, it will be mentioned under romance not in Film and it will be quoted.
I think the reason it is under film is because they are two different interviews, and when she said that Harry would notice Hermione more that was in an interview about the film. I could be wrong though not sure about it. Here comes the attack from bluemagic which will be in the form of a ten page post and will have nothing to do with what I just said.

Originally posted by Voritian
Hey bluemagic

I cannot do anything about this anymore.:sigh: Im simply telling you that I respond because you first address a post for me. Then after reading what I respond which is only "I think you're lost again please read my previous post again", you're posting another reply address to me and telling me it has nothing to do with my post. Then why addressing the post to me?You're confusing me.
And about what you've written.... I can't find any other simple way to explain the same things to you what I mean. Perhaps, try to go back to my earlier post ....starting with "Ok! going back to the book" line) to refresh. It's an over-all impression and relate that to the next chapter. Please don't be too literal.
Something is really wrong here. If nothing good happens...... Have it your way...then :(


:(

Er I feel like I'm jumping into somewhere where I shouldn't, just because there's so many people already debating this! But here's my view.. I think Ron + Hermione will definitely have something, even if it doesn't end up working out. Harry and Ginny maybe? That's logical, in my mind. Fleur and Bill are going to hook up... but I'm wondering.. what about Draco? Hmmhmm ;)

Thank you ! Voritian:)
Anyway, If I post short or long, you still can't get what I mean. There's no difference anyway.
Should I say it again that the words are "not quoted" that JKR mentioned it? Just in case you overlooked.

Hey people! There is such a thing as an EDIT BUTTON. I believe you will find it on the lower right-hand corner of your post. Which means...you can turn TWO posts into ONE ;D Please, lets not get at eachothers throats here...its ruining everyone else's fun!! I know I've been guilty of this before so it might seem a little hypocritical of me to say all this stuff but...honestly people. Don't be like me =P ;D

I am not trying to be mean or anything but I think that you dont know what you are talking about. I have said many times that if I am not asking you something then the post is not about something you posted ( if I dont say bluemagic once in the post it has nothing to do with you). And also that the post of mine you where talking about didnt even mention your name in it. I am not sure why you cant understand this, but maybe if you read this post a few times you might be able to. And yah this post says bluemagic in it so yah you can respond to it if you want to.

Hey darlingchild I agree with what you are saying and I am going to stop replying to bluemagic's attacks against my posts.

and now it's me who is guilty?...attacking your posts?...Voritian? I can't believe it you're saying this. Despite I tried to be nice and even apologetic to you but it will make you happy. Have it your way...then.:(

Hey bluemagic when you attack my posts and then say you are sorry in the same post it doesent mean you are sorry, because you wouldnt of attacked them if you where sorry.

I think it will be Ron and Hermione in the next book, then it will be either Harry Hermione, or Harry wont be with anyone.

Okay I agree with everyone who has said that some people may have gone off topic. Someone mentioned me in not accepting others' opinion and I would like to say that I've never gotten upset and if it ever came out that way I'm sorry.
Anyway back on topic; I stand by what I said earlier that Ron obviously likes Hermione but I don't think her feelings are so obvious. I was thinking though that if she did liked them both it wouldn't be so unbelievable. I mean if we think about it, both Ron and Harry possess qualities that would make a girl like them. In Hermione's case she has Ron on one side, who challenges her and pushes her to point of frustration but also makes her loosen up. Then there's Harry who's steady, easy to talk to(because he never judges) and yes brave and atheletic. Keep in mind that Hermione is only 14, just really developing feelings for the opposite sex; therefore she would be attracted to things like a boy who is famous, athletic, etc. That is not to say that that is all she'll care about but she's human and would notice these things.
So, once again I'll say that based on the four books I find it difficult to tell whether Hermione likes Harry or Ron or either one. I'm sure though that it'll be made clearer in BK.5
Oh sorry to go on; but something else someone said about people always saying that Ron defends Hermione, as if Harry doesn't. I kind of agree with that. Everyone refers to Ron putting the spell on Malfoy when he called her a mudblood, but if we remember Harry didn't know what that was or how bad it was. He only assumed it was something awful because everyone on his team as well as Ron and Hermione gasped. We should keep in mind that Harry was the one who thought of Hermione when the troll was in the school; and she wasn't even his friend.

I dont know what Harry feels for Hermione, but I am pretty sure whatever it is that it is alot stronger than what Ron feels for her. I think that Harry and Hermione have a kind of bond that Ron will never make with Hermione, although I dont know what type it is.

Heck, Hermione herself may not even know. I don't think there is much argument that Ron isn't at least somewhat interested in Hermione; short of having a placard made I don't think it could be clearer. ;)

I figure there's two explanations for Ron promptly defending Hermione when something comes up: he likes her romantically and/or he's naturally shorter tempered than Harry. He's the kind to act first and think later; Harry's had to hide learn to better restrain himself because he grew up with the Dursleys.

Yet another reason it'll be great when Book 5 comes out, so we can settle this once and for all, or at least get more evidence for one possibility or another. :)

I think that part of the reason Ron defends Hermione when draco says stuff about her is because the two familys have had a conflict for a very long time and Ron doesent like it when draco says stuff about him ( I also think he just wants to attack draco and will use anything to make that happen).

*interupts everyone* :o

Just out of curiosity, what about some other characters? Do you guys have any theories on who will date Fred, George, Neville, Snape, Malfoy, Lupin, Sirius, Seamus, or Dean?

Hmmm....apples, there's definitely something going on between Gred and Angelina...or is it Forge and Angelina? I always get those two mixed up ;)

Here's what I think for the others:

Neville: who knows?
Snape: er...he needs some lovin. But I dunno who.
Malfoy: Pansy Parkinson?
Lupin: hmm.
Sirius: double hmm.
Seamus: Lavender
Dean: Parvati?

And I have PROOF that Hermione/Ron = fact. Harry/Ginny...er....maybe. I actually don't see Harry with anyone, considering he's going to die at the end of the 7th book ;) hehe kidding...that's a whole 'nother discussion. :smile:

Neville: Hannah Abbot
Snape: A new character maybe, lol i duno.
Malfoy: Pansy Parkinson?
Lupin: No one, lol, or we wont find out who it is
Sirius: There arent any female teachers at Hogwarts in there age group!!! or in the book!
Seamus & Dean: i think they will date Lavender and Parvati too, but im not sure who with who.

What on earth is wrong with some of you?

I thought I would have a quick look at the last few pages to see how this discussion is going, and half of it is just a bunch of personal arguments!

If you've got problems - don't use the forum to sort them out. Don't make your responses so personal, and don't state things as if they are facts.

No one, except JKR, really knows what is going to happen, so let's stop pretending that we all know so much.

And JKR obviously gives out mixed messages about her future books - that's probably part of the enjoyment of being a writer - teasing the reader.
For example in the same interview that she said something might be going on between R/H and nothing going on between H/H, she also plainly said that the fifth book would not be as long as the fourth - and that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
So she obviously has developed ideas, changed scenarios, altered some thoughts and improved some themes.

We just don't know.

Anyway back to the discussion...

All the great (super)heroes - Batman, Spiderman etc stay single.
It is their "curse".

i don't think that harry and hermione will ever have a thing. it just isn't there. lol. ron and hermione yes. oh and i fully think that there is something going on between is it george or fred? and angelina. i reckon she loves his sense of mischief and humour. i really wanted to see cho and harry get together in the future but i don't think she is really interested.

I agree TCBoo. I said something to that effect earlier, but it was obviously ignored. However, I included Ilyeki in that, and for that I apologize. Sorry Ilyeki! :)

Anyway, lest this be yet another off-topic post, I believe Ginny and Neville is a likely pairing. I'm sure it took alot of courage for Neville to even ask someone to the Yule Ball. That Ginny was the lucky girl, speaks volumes about what Neville thinks. When Ginny rejects Harry's offer because she was going with Neville, that shows that she's got some moral fiber, plus that she might like Neville in return.

Right now. I think N/G is more likely than H/G. There's just more evidence. Plus, it is rather probably that Harry will just be alone. :(

As for the twins. Yeah, maybe a couple of the Gryffindor Chasers and they will pair up.

Seamus/Dean with Parvati/Lavender? Maybe. They're not really important enough to know or care.

Snape. I think it's very likely that he'll fall head over heels with someone. I don't know who, but it would be a great counter-balance to his character.

Lupin. Maybe... but he's rather limited you know. It would have to be a female werewolf I think.

Sirius. Not in the time frame of the books. I mean, a fugitive has other things to worry about. lol Add on top of that his charge to gather the "old crowd".

Malfoy. I don't think Pansy Parkinson. In PoA, she's described as pug-faced. Malfoy is too egocentric to go out with anyone less than pretty. Why did they go out during the Yule Ball? Convenience.

Erm, Bluemagic and Voritian, I think you two should stay away from this particular thread for at least a day. You are biting each other heads off (I wonder who this reminds me off, hmm... think hard... HEHE...). This is only fictional, it isn;t real life!!! Carm down ok. You two obviously have different opinions on this matter, which isn't unusal since everything here can be argued two ways. There is no right or wrong answer to the arguement like for example, Hermione likes Ron more than Harry because she scowls, (can be argued both ways). So you guys, cool down okies!!!!

Also, Have a nice day!! :smile:

I haved stopped responding to bluemagics posts and she hasnt posted anything mean about mine so I am ok with that.

Apology accepted Hagrid.:) Anyway I wanted to get some people's opinion on something that always bothered me in GOF. When they were at the Ball, Harry commented that all of Krum's admirers were giving Hermione looks and he also mentioned that Ron passed her straight without a word. Okay I adlibbed because I was too lazy to quote but I hope everyone got the gist. Anyway, my question is that I was never sure if Ron didn't speak to Hermione because he was upset about her being there with Krum or like Harry didn't recognize it was her at first. Not making any point about relationships; it's just that that has always bugged. What do you guys think?

I think that Ron was really mad at Hermione and thats why he didnt look at her at all.

I just think that he didn't recognize her. Harry didn't at first either.

No, I think Ron is the type to have noticed a pretty girl. After all, he's rather taken with Fleur. So, he must recognize Hermione as Hermione. He's just angry at her so he does his best to ignore her.

Hey they said in the book that they both saw her, and they where looking at her and then she moved by them and Ron didnt look at her while she was moving by them.

Sure, he noticed she was a pretty girl, just like Harry did when he first saw her. But he didn't recognize her as Hermione until later.

Ah.. ok :)

Cite passage, please?

Ok..

Page 413 Chapter 23 The Yule Ball, American Hardback Edition
The Oak front doors opened, and everyone turned to look as the Durmstrang students entered with Professor Karakoff. Krum was at the front of the party, accompanied by a pretty girl in blue robes Harry didn't know.

That pretty mush says that Harry recognized Hermione as a 'pretty girl' but he didn't know that it was Hermione.

Page 414 Chapter 23 The Yule Ball, American Hardback Edition
Cedric and Cho were close to Harry too; he looked away from them so he woulsn't have to talk to them. His eyes fell instead on the girl next to Krum. His jaw dropped. It was Hermione. But she didn't look like Hermione at all. She had done something with her hair; it was no longer bushy but sleek and shiny, and twisted up into an elegant knot at the back of her head.

Harry realizes that the 'pretty girl in blue robes that he doesn't know' is in fact Hermione.

Page 414 Chapter 23 The Yule Ball, American Hardback Edition
Pansy Parkinson gaped at her as she walked by with Malfoy, and even he didn't seem to be able to find an insult to throw at her. Ron, however, walked right past Hermione without looking at her.

Ok, I see what you're saying Hagrid. That could really be interpreted either way. It could be said that he was simply mad at her, but it could also be said that he simply didn't recognize her. I think the latter =P

Page 415 Chapter 23 The Yule Ball, American Hardback Edition
He caught sight of Ron and Padma as he neared the top table. Ron was watching Hermione pass with narrowed eyes.

I prefer to interpret that as he finally recognized Hermione, and this is phase 2 of his jealousy (his first pahse was when he found out that Hermione was going to the ball with someone and she wouldn't tell who). Like I said, I guess you could interpret it either way. *shrugs* Thats just the way I look at it =P

Thanks! Hehehe. I've only read GoF once so I don't have it down pat like the rest (3 times each for SS and CoS, in middle of 3 time with PoA. Going by those passages, it really could go either way. I think it's Ron recognizes her right away, and chooses to ignore her. But it can easily be interpreted how you do! :)

i would love to see ron and hermione together. basically, you have to hate someone in order to love them. that's how i put it and they're not crazy about each other (as friends). not sure about harry. he's just doin' what he does best, being the brave boy that he is and don't really see him having any time for a girlfriend or anything. he has too much on his mind and much to worry about. honestly, i never did hope for harry and hermione to be together. anyone watch "friends". well...it'll be too Rachel and Ross type of thing. opposites attract anyway.

hello.. i'm new to this thread and i' admit, 20 pages of postings do makes me heavyhearted to check all of it before giving my 2 cents worth..

anyway.. do tell me if someone actually said this:

draco malfoy secretly having a mild crush over hermione, which he didn't seem to take it very well, of course with his ambition to get rid of all muggle born wizrads/witches. he started to realize this the night he saw hermione on Yule Ball. angry with his backstabbing emotions, he flaunts more and more mean streaks against hermione in order to banish his feelings for her.

:evil:

Yes periwinkle, several people have mentioned that. Although, I don't think its very possible. Draco hates muggle-borns...

ha.. again i go tripping on the same banana peels.. thanks DarlingChild!