Book Five Predictions: Who Will Fall in Love with Whom?

The reason I know is because I can read. All you need to do is read the sentence, if you dont understand what he is saying I think you should take lit classes sometime sorry.

What you are saying is that the point is that Hermione likes Ron also. I dont know where you got that seeing as why would Harry saying something to Ron make him mad unless he agreed with Hermione. I am sorry if I am being mean but the people who are for Ron and Hermione are trying to use anything they can to convince themselves that it is going to happen, I am not saying it isnt but that post made no sense at all and if you did take lit classes you would understand what Harry had said anyway.

I personally think Harry and Hermione are going to end up together. All the way back in the first book, Harry showed more concern to her than Ron did. Think of the troll incedent - Ron had forgotten all about her and Harry insisted on going back for her. In book two, and in the second movie, Harry seemed more affected by Hermione's being petrified than Ron did. He was the one shown holding her hand and replacing her flowers while Ron stood in the background. There is that Ron almost springs up at Malfoy when he said that he hoped Hermione was the first to go, but I think he was defending her on a friend level, same with the slug incedent. I think Ron does love her and maybe even has a crush on her, but I think that it will fizzle because Ron and Hermione lock horns too often and will in the end be great assests to each other as friends over lovers. With Harry and Hermione though, there is something else. She is his strength in a lot of places - whether it's telling him he can do something when he thinks he can't or helping him find information on how best to battle his current foe, she's always there for him on several plains. In book three, when Ron is out cold, Harry and Hermione set off to save Buckbeak and Sirius, and they do it by working together in a way more intellectual and ... what's the word ... closer, I guess, than Ron and Harry would have. Later, in GoF, as previously mentioned, Harry focuses mostly on Hermione at the ball, even though Cho is there, and Hermione rattles on about Harry to Krum without even noticing it. And then there is that ever debated kiss... A kiss between two fourteen year old kids is not the same as a kiss like that between two adults. And that Harry actually takes notice enough to site it in the book is significant. In the CoS movie, I was looking for clues the third time I saw it, and I kept noticing little allusions to Harry and Hermione... Though it is confusing because there is also evidence to back the R/H folk too... I'm so Definitely a H/H person myself. :love: :D

I think that we are playing into JKR's plan. She wants us all to strain our poor minds over the whole Ron/Hermione/Harry relationship issue. And we're giving in... giving in... I'm digusted... but isn't it fun? :D

I agree the scene after the ball is a significant clue, the only problem is interpreting it. When Hermione made the statement, "Well ask me first, instead of as a last resort (or something close." I considered two ideas:

A) She was truly hurt that he had used her as a last resort. I mean he did say, "You are a girl." Well, DUH!!! It was like he was saying she was one of the guys. And earlier, when he mentioned getting a date before all the "good" ones were taken, then didn't think to ask her. I mean it seemed he was saying she was one of those "other, non-good" girls. That hurts coming from someone you consider to be your best friend. But then I thought, if she was mad at Ron for not noticing her, wouldn't she have just been just as upset with Harry? And then there is...

B) She was really kinda hoping that maybe Ron would have asked her, but she lost faith in him, and agreed to go with Krum (LOL... he was a last resort!). I honestly believe that she is not entirely interested in Krum. He seems nice enough, and I bet Hermione appreciates him taking an interest in her, but he's not exactly... her type. I honestly think that she is interested in either Ron or Harry.

I do feel, however, that she did not try to use Krum as a way to make someone jealous. Hermione's too good for that, plus she has too much pride. Like I said, she genuinely appreciated his interest in her.

As far as her spending a lot of time with Harry. Well, I mean, think about it. Who else was he going to spend time with? He isn't exactly close with Dean, Seamus, or Neville. Ginny... yeah, right? At the very least Ron had his brothers, Fred and George. And, yeah, Harry thinks they are cool, but would you try to hang with your best friend's brothers if you two weren't talking? I think Hermione understood this, and so she spent a little more time with Harry. She did spend time with Ron, he's her friend too, but he's not entirely alone. If you really think about it, no matter what, Harry is utterly alone.

No Hermione is not a consolation prize!!! I hate hearing that. Whomever she chooses will not be becasue they deserve her for being a loser or alone. Who ever appreciates her most, who ever that may be, will be best for Hermione. But only Hermione (and JKR) knows who truly appreciates her. I personally feel that Ron will surprise us in this next book. I also believe that he did a bit of growing up in book 4, and we will see more of a change in him as time goes on. (I have much hope and interest in Ron's character. He will, in my opinion, make the most dramatic change. So Ron holds my interest.)

I am (and will always) be a R/H shipper. But I do accept that there is possibility for H/H as well. I think that Hermione has a good understanding of both Ron and Harry, that's why they're her best friends. Knowing both of them so well, either one could be her romantic interest. Though I am still hoping for Ron and Hermione.

One thing is for sure, the 5th book will most definetely make or break one of these shippings.

Originally posted by Voritian
The reason I know is because I can read. All you need to do is read the sentence, if you dont understand what he is saying I think you should take lit classes sometime sorry.

Jeez Voritian, anger much? It was a joke.

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WARNING: I am about to be very harsh to a post on this forum. If a mod thinks my thoughts and feeling on this post are a little too strong than I welcome them to remove this post.

Originally posted by Voritian
The reason I know is because I can read. All you need to do is read the sentence, if you dont understand what he is saying I think you should take lit classes sometime sorry.

Voritian: I find your arrogance disgusting. Its one thing to counter an argument with personal thoughts on the topic, but it is another to belittle a person’s position simply because you feel that some class you took makes you an expert. Even if you do have some insight to what is happening because of what you learned in your lit class, than perhaps it would be more constructive for you to share specifically how you had come to those conclusions instead of looking down your nose at people. So, I will ask you (I would like to tell you to, but I don’t have that authority) that if you cannot make an intelligent argument, keep your mouse off the ‘post reply’ button. Remember, it is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.

Originally posted by Ame
I think that we are playing into JKR's plan. She wants us all to strain our poor minds over the whole Ron/Hermione/Harry relationship issue. And we're giving in... giving in... I'm digusted... but isn't it fun? :D

Heh...if this is Rowling's idea of "fun," she must be a Slythern. :evil: :p

Hey why does everyone say that Ron got more mature in the last book, tell me one place that it even implies that. I dont see that he got more mature anywhere, all he did throughout the whole book was cry about his problems and get mad at people who had nothing to do with them (if that is getting more mature then I think you need to look up the def of mature sorry).

Hey cannonfan you should take your own advice sometime, you tell me not to belittle your post and then you do it to mine (your a real thinker arent you). Also I can post my opinion on someone else post (thats why they made reply you know) and I wasent even talking about your post cannonfan anyway. I think it isnt cool to start stuff with people that havent even mentioned you and since you did that just makes you sad and shows me you are just looking to fight with someone here anyway.

Woo go lani! Go cannonfan! *high five*

Anyway...Ame. AMAZING post! AHH I could NOT have said anything that you said better, myself! I agree with everything in that post! Great post! I, also, am a R/H shipper, but I do think that there is a possibility for a H/H relationship as well. Like I said in an earlier post, the next book will make or break any one of these ships so...we're just going to have to wait! :smile:

Why do you believe the next book will make or break the shippers? Things do change a whole lot when you are a teenager and I believe that if anything happens in book5 it won't last longer than 5 chapters.

By DarlingChild
Anyway...Ame. AMAZING post!

:o Wow, thank you Darling. I'm flattered. R/H all the way!!!

The idea of book 5 making or breaking a shipping may be a little extreme. Let's just say, that some of us believe book 5 will give... more insight.

And I'm no expert, but if there is anything I've learned about literature in highschool and in college... is that it is always open for interpretation. There is no wrong or right way to interpret literature. But that is what makes literature so amazing! The chance for discussion, but along with discussion is being open to accept opposing ideas. You don't need to take a class to give a valid point or opinion.

This thread, this message board, is to allow all of us to engage in conversation on a common interest. When we begin to personally attack one another, than the conversation becomes hostile and the fun is killed. Maybe, it would be for the best if we'd try to avoid personal attacks. Sure we can agree to disagree, but let's try to avoid degrading each others opinions, please... :(

Wow, things got a little too serious around here. I agree with Ame. When all is said and done, remember it's only a story, and the three are best friends through and through. Inasmuchas I would prefer seeing one ship over the other, it's not gonna kill me to see the other one if my preference doesn't happen. I think we just need to lighten up. I think regardless of which ship happens, it's not going to be boring, that's for sure, because this is JKR we are talking about. I think we can all point to various statements and situations in any of the books and we can probably interpret them differently. It's okay. That's what makes discussions interesting. You have a chance to see things from other perspectives you may not otherwise have thought of.

^nods head

yep, I think it is going to be interesting no matter how it all turns out.

I think a lot of Hermione's actions can be explained by the fact that she's a little possessive and protective of both Harry and Ron. She reacts similarly to Harry and Ron when they are affected by the veela. She also takes an almost instant disliking to Fleur from the first time she sees her, and that may be why she looks so furious when Fleur kisses Ron.

Personally, I would love to see Harry and Hermione together but I'm not sure it's going to happen. I do think that Hermione cares for Harry and that caring may be beginning to blossom into something more. It's possible that the danger he was in at the end of GOF may have caused her to realize her feelings for him, therefore the kiss. However, I don't think she was using the kiss to probe or test what his feelings were for her--after all he had been through it would have been a little manipulative at that point.

Wow. Look what happens when you stay away from a thread for a couple of days. :) Now that my eyeball has stopped throbbing from reading so many posts...

I definitely agree that Hermione should not be thought of as a consolation prize. Just because Ron "never gets anything" (which I feel is untrue) and Harry "always gets everything" (which I feel is unfair), it doesn't necessarily mean that Hermione and Ron will end up together. If anything, to give Hermione to Ron for this reason would just make him look pathetic, which he most certainly is not. I know this particular point hasn't been that debated of late, but I still wanted to make a statement about it.

I think the so-called "facts" have been discussed and rediscussed plenty of times, and can be stretched and poked and prodded and manipulated in ways that "prove" both viewpoints, so I offer instead some interesting notes regarding J.K. Rowling herself. While art doesn't necessarily always mirror life, some of these things should probably be taken into account.

First off, I think that Hermione is probably the character the author most sees herself as. There is no actual quote to this effect that I can find, but a look at her personality as a child shows some interesting similarities that I won't bog things down with here. This can be my "exploitable hole" for the evening. :)

As far as dynamics go, it has been said that Hermione and Ron would make a more passionate and therefore more interesting and fulfilling couple due to their constant arguments, etc. However, it is interesting to note that this was the exact same dynamic found between Rowling and her first husband, Jorge Arantes, a relationship that ended in her being thrown out of the apartment and slapped. The entirity of this detail of her life can be found here:

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/cookarama/author_3.html

Maybe (probably) I'm reading too much into this, but it makes me wonder nonetheless.

In GoF when Fluer kisses Harry and then Ron and then Harry notices Hermione looking 'furious'. My understanding was that Hermione was mad because she kissed Ron, but my friend thinks its because she hates how guys drool over her uncontrollably. He thinks shes mad that Fluer kissed Harry and/or Ron. What do you all think?

might be both...again its only from harry view and he wouldnt think hermione would be mad fleur kissed him

This is how I see the whole Harry/Hermione/Ron issue..

They wont end up with each other... because they are such good friends if something were to happen in a negative way it would ruin the 'team'..

They will all go out iwth other people...

Ginny is cute and has a crush on Harry but I can't see them together either because it would make it so awkward when he goes to visit the weasleys at this time.. maybe in book 7..

Fred and George.... those two need girlfriends... LOL

Whats happened with Percy and Penelope?? are they still dating??

I think this thread has turned into the proverbial dead horse. Everything's been analyzed, discredited, re-analyzed, beat into the ground, brought back as a point. I see emotions running high, and certain individuals too stubborn or arrogant to consider the other side's view. I think it's time to just sit back, and let book 5 answer all our questions. Of course, it will not surprise me in the least if book 5 creates more questions than answers.

So given that almost everything has been said, and to make sure I am reading what I think I'm reading, this is what I think most of us can agree on.

Ron likes Hermione. Ron seems to keep all his emotions on the surface wether he realizes them or not.

In all fairness Hermione's emotions are somewhat unsure to us. She has done things that could be interperted as having feelings for both Ron and Harry, or nither.

Harry has not been interested in Hermione in that way. The kiss may have started some of his gears turning, but I think it would take more than a kiss on the cheek to turn his romantic feelings toward her.

I think that is all that we can say for sure, and it leaves both ships afloat ready for one to set sail on the sea of love (suddenly the theme song to 'Love Boat' popped in my head) Any strong dissagreements to these thoughts?

That pretty much says it all, cannonFan. :) The only thing I would add to that is that Rowling has said Harry and Hermione will never have a date. It doesn't mean he won't start to develop some feelings, even though my personal thoughts are that he won't.

I never said I took an amazing lit class (although you have made it clear you are illiterate so you probably wont understand), all I said was take a lit class. Also you only quoted Hermione reaction you never said what she was reacting you (probably because it had nothing to do with Ron and Hermione liking each other). Also when Hermione got mad at Ron that doesent mean that she likes him, he had said some very mean stuff to her and as other people have said she obviously doesent want to be the last resort that they can just go to if they cant find anyone else. Also lanifiel after I posted one thing saying that I didnt agree with your post you started attacking my post, I thought you said we where all allowed to have our own opinions (I guess that means you are but when someone disagrees with you then they arent allowed to have one).

Actully Voritian, I just dont like being told I'm illiterate and find 99% of your poists to be inflamatory. You came along to the thread in which everyone was having some fun and joking around, and decided that it was time to tell us that we all needed to take lit classes to understand the books and generally annoy everyone as much as possible. It just wasnt called for...

Voritian & others, please remember to agree to disagree. I haven't got time to worry about petty squabbles over someone's grammar or exact wording. It's not worth arguing about. End it or I'll close this thread.

Please get the thread back on course.

What about older characters? Any of the teachers that you think could be falling in love or will we see any of their partners?

I can't really imagine any of the older charaters having anyone romance, besides Hagrid and Madame Maxine, obviously.
Love seems a very young idea, in that the adults are relied upon too much to become swooning giggling romantics. They are too much depended on to be the 'pillars' of the pupils, community, etc to self indulge.

lol i heard a rumor that snape was supposed to fall for another teacher...i highly doubt this but that was a book six rumor im finding it hard to believe he could ever love anyone but himself

Snape...capable of...of...loving someone?!? Highly unlikely in my opinion, lol. Though, it would be a pretty weird turn of events if JKR threw that in. It would almost prove Snape had a soul after all.

Personally, the only 'adult' relationships that I can see happening is Hagrid and Madame Maxime...obviously :D

Can you imagine Professor McGonagall with a...a...boyfriend? Actually, we don't know if any of the teachers are married. I, until now, assumed they were all single. *shrugs*

Originally posted by Morgoth
What about older characters? Any of the teachers that you think could be falling in love or will we see any of their partners?
I'm hoping that Bill or Charlie marries a pretty muggle girl! :) And I really want Lupin and Sirius to fall in love, too, but not to any of the characters we've already met. Hagrid needs to get with Maxime. And Snape definitely needs to fall in love, too! I doubt that it'll make him go all soft and mushy (Could you ever imagine him writing a sappy love poem?), but I think it'll take some of the bitterness out of him.

Lupin and sirius need to fall in love, lupin w/ someone who wont care he's a werewolf. Snape in love........ :wow: thats sounds (at the moment) about as likley as malfoy starting up a potter fanclub. i supose it will sink in though. hagrid and maxime is almost a given.

Hey what I really did was tell you to take a lit class and I didnt say anything to anyone else. Also you are lier because most of my posts are just about my opinion and dont refer to anyone elses post. And if you are going to argue something dont make stuff up (it makes you looks stupid, and even though I already know you are not everyone else does).

Originally posted by Ashkins
Whats happened with Percy and Penelope?? are they still dating??

I was wondering that, too. We didn't hear anything about her in Goblet of Fire. Maybe Percy's gotten so caught up in his job, he's neglected her. Poor Penelope. :(

Myabe it was just a school thing, and they have split up, its not like JKR to miss out things like that...

hmmmm...wonder what penelope's new job is...... i mean she did leave hogwarts didn't she?

i must say i never really did like percy, i suppose his hearts in th right place though:smile:
Penelope didn't seem to be too bad or evil...imagine her crying each night because her beloved percy loves his work more than her, oh dear...:(

I think i've heard this before, but wouldn't it be horrible if snape did tun out to have loved lily potter and that is partly why he despises potters?????

I think that whatever happens between any of the characters, be it Snape, Hermione, Harry, Ron, McGonagall or Hagrid, will be a complete surprise because we've all speculated so much and convinced ourselves of what will happen that she has little worry of people second guessing her. She being JKR, of course. :whistle: :smile:

Originally posted by Voritian
Hey what I really did was tell you to take a lit class and I didnt say anything to anyone else. Also you are lier because most of my posts are just about my opinion and dont refer to anyone elses post. And if you are going to argue something dont make stuff up (it makes you looks stupid, and even though I already know you are not everyone else does).

I warned you once and now I'm warning you again. If you cross the line one more time Voritian, you will be banned.

...

okay, back on track.

Snape is a no-go zone for me...*shudders*
and so is McGonagall...it's just impossibel for me to imagine them "falling in love"

Well, i definately think that Ron and Hermione are getting together. did you see, well, read how jealous Ron was in GOF?? well, that's just Krum doesn't get kicked out of the way. but i have a gut feeling that Krum will still linger...

I think Krum will return to confuse Herimone some more, I dunno why. But maybe when shes decided who she wants, he will enter the picture again and get her all flustered with his inability to pronounce her name...

Older ones: I'm still convinced that either Snape loved Lily, or she was a relative of his, who was dear to him & so he became bitter when she died (so far as he would be concerned) because of the Potter men. He Really Needs a love in his life life to mellow him out, just take the edge off.... If he understood, felt love (again?) he wouldn't be so harsh to Harry. Esp. I think something went on w/him, James & Lily in his youth, otherwise I can't see him taking the time out of class to read an article about H & Hrme's & Krum's tangled web of love, as Ron grinds the table with his mortar....

Yes, I too would like to know what happenned w/Percy & Penelope. Having her drop them for a whole book seemed odd, but then, Percy isn't at Hogwart's anymore, so no real convenient way to work them in.
AND Yes, it would be a good thing for Bill & Fleur or Charlie & ??? to give it a go....but since thery're not at school, unless Harry gets to go back home w/the Weasley family over school breaks this time, I don't see how JKR could work in the family stuff...

There's always Ron receiving an owl from home, saying, "Guess what? Bill is engaged!" or something like that. I suppose JKR could work various family tidbits in this way.

lol!!

how funny will that be??

"Bill is ENGAGED!!"

hehe...

"Charlie has a DAUGHTER!!"

Yeah, ROTFLMAO Stuff like that Needs to have more than just a letter LOL At Least a good long 'talking head' chat at the fireplace ;)

I also think that Krum, and Fleur, will return to Hogwarts. But in what capacity? As advanced students or as beginning instructors. They're too young & inexperienced to be full professors. But, I don't think they're going to be involved w/each other. More likely Fleur/Ron, Krum/Hermione, until all figure out it's not gonna work. But, then, who would be their steady dates??

There is a part of the book when Fluer looks kinda eyeingly at Bill..

Exactly!!! But, we'd have to have some kind of tie-in to get those 2 together.

Maybe have Bill be a new teacher??

Right now he is breaking codes in Egypt... maybe that is something he could teach the kids now that Volt has come back?? and have Fluer as the new Defense of the Dark Arts teacher...

Then they would be working together and get to know each other more..

Originally posted by lanifiel
I think Krum will return to confuse Herimone some more, I dunno why. But maybe when shes decided who she wants, he will enter the picture again and get her all flustered with his inability to pronounce her name...
I couldn't agree more. :yup: At the very least, he's going to be a constant source of irritation to Ron. Ron'll be so jealous it won't even be funny! *lol*

Oh, that would make for a good side story to the novel. Krum just might be a lingering pain in Ron's side. That would be funny. And I think it would be interesting if Fleur and Bill actually did end up together. Though, I agree, it would be hard to work into the story line.

You know I forgot all about the rumor I heard about Snape. I never once considered Snape human enough to fall in love :lol:. I suppose that would be interesting, Snape loved Lily, but James and Lily ended up together. That would add to Snape's great dislike to Harry. But I thought Dumbledore explained that it wasn't that Snape didn't like Harry (enitrely), but becasue he owed James, and Snape doesn't like being in debt.

Wait what if he fell in love, and like, totally mellowed!!! That would be some funny stuff!!

Snape in a loving and generous mood toward the entire world, even Gryffindors?

Whoa...that is a scary thought. :wow:

Krum'll be back, but not in the romantic interest department, I don't think. (Or maybe it's I just hope not. I never really saw anything between him and Hermione. For all we know, the only reason she talked about Harry all the time was that Krum couldn't find anything to talk about but Quidditch. :p). Not so sure about Fleur. As always, we can only wait. :sigh:

You mean we'd have a totally mushy, sappy, puppy-dog eyed, love stricken Snape?? :lol: That would be horrible! I just hope he doesn't try to serenade his love... *cringes* That would be just as bad as Ginny's singing Valentine.

Wait! I have a theory!! Krum does come back and at first Herimone does seem to be in love with him, but then Ron discovers he is a Death Eater! But no one beleives him, he gets in a huger fight with Herimone (whats new) and they dont speak but Ron is right and saves HErimone from being abducted!! It makes perfect sense! (or at least to my insane mind)...

:D

um...it'll make good fanfic right? ;)

no maybe, Krum comes back, Hermione falls in love...but, Hermione gets caught in some thing. And there's only Ron or Krum that can safe them, and Krum kinda chickens out, but Ron goes saves her. and Hermione and Ron finally reliase their true love for each other...hehe...ANOTHER good fanfic idea...geez, i'm good at this.

hehehe - go on then start writing :D

can't be bothered, i've got three on, and a couple of more in my head.

Are they rattling around loose up there? Man we gotta stop taking over threads...

Hello to all! It seems the air is cool again here.:)

Wait! I have a theory!!

"lanifiel...that is very cool" :) I do also sometimes think about crazy theories during my "temporary insanity state". I will support your theory somehow:)

The first question would be....does Krum's character look trustful? I find him very strange.

1. He is a student from Durmstrang and Draco Malfoy mentioned that "Durmstrang students practically learn Dark Arts and not just for defense (Chapter Eleven)Even Hermione is aware of that.
2. He is pretty much close and protective somehow to Karkaroff (a follower of Voldemort) who happens to be very much associated with the Malfoys (also followers of Voldemort)(Chapter Sixteen)(Chapter 37)
3. Draco Malfoy spoke to him when he joined the Slytherin table during his first day of arrival (Chapter sixteen)
4. His reactions when he saw Crouch and Crouch`s reactions towards him(Chapter Eight)
5. Dumbledore's "negative" reaction when Harry told him that he left Crouch with Krum (Chapter Twenty-Eight)
6. Krum's reactions towards Harry (Chapter 18, Chapter 20,Chaper 37)

During Ron/Harry fight (Oct. 30-Nov.24), both Harry and Hermione spent most of their time in the library and Harry observed "Viktor is in the library an awful a lot too and Harry wondered what he was up to.Was he studying or was he looking for things to help him through the first task?" (Chapter Nineteen)

and also

"Oh, no, he's back again, why can't he read on his stupid ship? said Hermione irritably, as Viktor Krum slouched in, cast a "surly look" over at the pair of them, and settled himself in a distant corner with a pile of books." (Chapter Twenty)

During the Yule ball, Hermione mentioned while being interrogated by Ron about Krum that "he said he'd been coming up to the library everyday and talk to me but he hadn't been able to pluck the courage!" and Ron even answered "yeah, well- that his story."(Chapter Twenty-Three)

Considering the time element, from his arrival and the first task, which is also the time of Ron/Harry fight, (Oct 30- Nov.24) this question came to my mind.

"How come Krum knows that Hermione is always in the library or she can be found in the library if she is the reason why he is going there?"

Considering the fact upon his arrival, "Krum didn't look around as he reached the front door a little ahead of Harry, Ron and Hermione."(Chapter Sixteen) So, nothing's mentioned or indication about noticing the trio particularly Hermione for that matter.

And it's only Draco Malfoy who spoke to him was mentioned upon his arrival. And we're aware how much Draco "hates" Hermione. And when Voldemort came back to life, Draco mentioned about" Mudbloods and Muggle-lovers first!"

Could it be that Draco Malfoy and Viktor Krum coordinated the plan how to get closer to Hermione or Krum is "just taking instructions" how to get closer to Hermione. I am little bit alarmed because I've found out from HP lex. that JKR is using "portmanteau words"in inventing her words in HP. the And "Hornbeam" (that's one of what Krum's wand made of)could be a portmanteau of hornbook and moonbeam. And hornbook is described as "a wooden paddle with an instructional page on the front".

Because of this, I'm thinking that everything might be all planned:
Hermione will be his Yule ball partner.(December)
Hermione is chosen to be his own "hostage". But who could have suggested that but Karkaroff probably, since he is under Karkaroff's jurisdiction. Like Harry, Krum has no idea what or who will be his hostage.(February)Was Hermione really a honest choice?

I know I sound freaky, I think i'm currently on my "temporary insanity state."Please bear with me. I'm wondering if Krum is really sincere or not towards Hermione or he is just up to something.

Hmm...interesting theory indeed. However, I think it's just as possible that the early stuff with Malfoy was Rowling trying to throw us off the track, so we wouldn't suspect Krum of having any interest in Hermione at all, or only noting her as a "filthy Mudblood." I think the fact he's from Durmstrang doesn't signify anything one way or another; that would be judging by appearances and assumption, and that's never a good idea in the world of Harry Potter.

As for his relationship with Karkaroff, I think the protectiveness works the other way around. While Karkaroff displays obvious favoritism toward his star pupil (like Dumbledore, albeit in a less obvious manner, does with Harry), Krum doesn't seem to return the favor. In fact, at the end, when someone (I forget who, and my roomate's absconded with my copy of GoF :angry: ) asks if the Durmstrang students will be able to get home without Karkaroff, Krum replies that they had to do all the work in the first place, and he doesn't sound happy about it.

Krum's going to be one of the good guys, I think. Just not necessarily Hermione's guy (had to keep this on topic somehow! :p ).

pansy and draco????

Draco is definately not interested...at least no sources suggest that he is...
but it does seem that pansy likes draco, she has cried for her evil hero countless times!!!!!

bluemagic, where have you been!!! I have missed your post very much. HEHE. Anyway, good theory. Maybe it is a plan because he did called Hermione to him at the end and had a quite word to her, so that could also be a little something going on there. But if krum is really planning something, why did he got jealous of Hermione talking about Harry all the time. That doesn't make sence. Oh well, we have to find out later!!!

Good Theory though!!!

Actually, my first impression towards Krum is good despite of bad background of Durmstrang and regardless of his appearance . He even had my sympathy when I noticed that somehow there's a little bit simalarities between him and Harry. I only started to bother about him because of these reasons:

1. His reactions when he saw Crouch and Crouch`s reactions towards him(Chapter Eight)
2. Dumbledore's "negative" reaction when Harry told him that he left Crouch with Krum (Chapter Twenty-Eight)
3. Krum's reactions towards Harry (Chapter 18, Chapter 20,Chaper 37)
and eventually the question
"How come Krum knows that Hermione is always in the library or she can be found in the library if she is the reason why he is going there?"
came up to my mind.
That is why I tried to get "any" possible informations associated to him from the beginning for me to comtemplate.
Anyway, I have the same reason like yours why Krum is pretty much close and somehow protective over Karkaroff (It's Ron who asked about steering)but I have just to place that information because I've encountered some saying that Krum doesn't like Karkaroff at all. But good thing, you explained it already. Thank you.

I am again on my "temporary insanity" state. Please bear with me.

Anyway, in fairness to Krum's character , as i've said his somewhat similar characteristics with Harry actually got my first attention and even softened my heart to a certain degree to see that he shares "Being famous and love of quidditch" qualities with Harry.

But as I've said, I've realized that, he got other qualities which made me feel "cold" towards his character despite these shared same qualities with Harry when Quidditch and being famous are concerned.

The one that strikes me most is during the second task when Harry helped Krum freeing Hermione.

"Harry hit Krum hard on, the shoulder, and help up the jagged stone. Krum seized it, and began to cut Hermione free. Within seconds, he had done it; he grabbed Hermione around the waist and," without a backward glance, "began to rise rapidly with her towards the surface."

hmmm...hmmm.. didn't mind to send a little sign of gratitude: (
or showed any a little bit of concern at least to the other hostages.:(

and also

"There you go Harry,!" Ron shouted over the noise. "You were being thick after all - ." you were showing moral fibre!"

"Fleur was clapping very hard, too, but Krum didn't look very happy at all." He attempted to engage Hermione in conversation again, but she was too busy cheering Harry to listen.

Cedric didn't react negatively when Harry helped him by giving the idea about Dragons. In fact, he returned the favor by giving Harry the idea how to solve the egg for the second task.He showed decency. He displayed again his gratitude and nobility to Harry during the third task.

Fleur's attitudes to Harry had changed compeletely too since he had pulled her sister outof the lake. So, she is also showing her own means of gratitude.

but Krum? I think it's better to hang it here.

But I'm also thinking the probability that Krum is really a good guy and maybe work as a spy. Then, he deserved to be Hermione's friend. I can't imagine yet him being Hermione's guy. (Whew! I 'm having the hard time how to end this and still be on topic somehow);D

I think my temporary insanity state is starting to wear off.:) I hope everyone were able to bear with me.

Hello Springy!
miss you too:) he he he I've just took time to relax and lot of works occupying my time lately. Though, I've really wanted to post already a long time ago but everytime I visited the board, there's always and still heating arguments going on.And the worst thing...it's getting more and more personal. I don think I can have fun posting with unfriendly environment like that .Good thing, now is over.

About what you're asking, I actually have theory about that which also related to my previous theory about Krum.

hmmm....hmm...but my temporary insanity is satrting to wear off. I will concentrate first and probably I can post it next time. :-)

I too noticed Krum's attitude throughout the novel. And you know the same question occured to me, "How did he know to go the library?"

But I genuinely believe that Krum is a good guy. And the favortism between Karkaroff and Krum is onesided.

When it came to his reaction towards Harry showing "moral fibre" at the end of the second task, I took it for simple jealousy. He's in a tournament, he wants to win, of course he's going to look a little down. And I figured the same thing when Harry helped him free Hermione. Plus, I figured his ungratefulness just proved how much he wanted the points.

I also got the impression that Durmstrang was a rather... rough(?) school. Karkaroff seems to be they type to stress nothing but success, and no soft-heartedness. Growing up in a school that harsh... Krum's personality seemed a little logical.

But, I am still cautious of Krum for all the reasons pointed out. Especially DD's reaction when Harry told him about Crouch.

Hello Ame!

good thing, you've noticed that too.

Krum's character is really freaky and strange. That is why I took time to know what is behind his name, about his wand (hornbeam, dragon heartstring) which might give me a hint about his charcter.

Krumm- is a German adjective used in phrases such as "dont slouch" and "sit up straight", and literally means "crooked" or "bent"

How Krum is described in the book.

Viktor Krum was thin, dark and saloow-skinned, with a larged curved nose and thick black eyebrows. He looked like an overgrown bird of prey.
he seemed much less co-ordinated on the ground, he was slightly duck-footed and distinctly round-souldered.

Viktor- Strong,winner (he is a champion and famous int'l Quidditch player)
manly,
Intolerant of other people's failings

I remember during the quidditch Cup, Bulgaria was loosing but then he catched the snitch. and Harry said.
"the Irish chasers were too good...he wanted to end it on his terms, that's all..." (Chapter nine)

About his wand.
I've mentioned before that JKR is using "portmanteau words"in inventing her words in HP. the And "Hornbeam" (that's one of what Krum's wand made of)could be a portmanteau of hornbook and moonbeam. And hornbook is described as "a wooden paddle with an instructional page on the front", covered and protected by a transparent sheet of thin horn.

Are these just coincidence? if not, JKR really planned carefully everything and made lots of reasearch and genius. No wonder, it takes time to publish the next book. I do hope I'm good in Latin and French (JKR is a French teacher), so at least I can give myself more knowledge about the meanings behind unusual words formed and found in HP.

Anyway, I just hope that Krum will turn out to be a good guy:)

Just a brief note: Hornbeam IS a real tree: Carpinus Betulus.
It grows commonly in England & Wales, but I think also in parts of Europe & Asia. It resembles a Beech, but only superficially. The seeds need to be cold treated, and may take 18 mos. to sprout--they are deeply dormant. Instructions say to treat seeds like the harder, dormant sp. of Maple to get them to grow.
It's known for it's extremely hard, close grained, white wood. It is so hard it blunts tools, and was (used to be) used for many parts such as cogs, that are usually made with metal when metal is not so readily available.
cool hypothesis, though! :)

hi Xikum!

Yes! You are right. There is a tree called Hornbeam. Thank you for bringing it up:-) I forgot to write about it. :( I am too concentrated about JKr's formation of "portmanteau words". (there are two meanings packed up into one word.)

Now here's an intersting idea! :) I have to admit that I didn't even give Krum a second glance, but now that you bring it up, there do seem to be some interesting things going on with his character. I don't think he really is (or ever was) a bad guy, but I think it's a real possibility that he's an unwitting accomplice in something much bigger than anyone can guess.

Hmm... Intriguing. :)

hehe I love throwing in a new idea and watching everyone mull it over...

harry + hermione
Pansy + Draco
Ron + ?

Hiya, Bluemagic... good to see you again.

I never once dismissed Krum, I think he may be the unknowning accomplice to a complicated plan. But if he's not... what if he trly is up to no good? I tell you, Krum may be the most surprising character of all. So much is in air about him, and he seems nice enough... but there is still that doubt. JKR purposely put the hint of doubt in the GOF, so it might be of some importance. Say, R/H will be the ship to sail... Krum maybe the motivation behind it. It's so exciting... I just can't wait....

BTW, I just wanted to say, all of you truly impress me. Really. You all come up with amazing theories and fascinating ways of analysizing the storylines and characters. I just love reading what you all have to say.

Hmmm... I think this is a bit off topic. I personally think Krum can be trusted.

Anyway, back to topic, it'd be neat to see Snape in love! I believe that he loved Lily. Maybe he'll mellow out some and be a little fairer to his students.

*proclaims himself a G/N shipper* Yeah yeah... it's silly I know. But Neville obviously likes her, even if she was his second choice. And through it all, temptation to be Harry's date and enduring Neville's poor dancing, she stuck with him.

Besides, they'd be cuuuuuuuuute!

I so agree. Neville and Ginny would be cute!!! I personally think that Neville will have a crush on Ginny, and it may serve for lighter, funnier moments. But it would be way cute.

I honestly don't think anything is going to happen in the Neville/Ginny department. She only went with him to the ball because she wanted to go and wouldn't have been able to had he not asked her, because she was only a third year. I dunno where you people are getting the idea about something betweem them *shrugs*

It would be funny though :D

Hehehehehe! I know. It's not very likely. Just more likely than Harry/Ginny in my eyes. :)

I wonder...

In the book Draco makes a comment about Krum's school only allowing pure blood.

With this in mind do you think maybe Krum wanted to see Hermione as a statement to his parents?

And I wonder if during the world cup when Krum and his team mates went up to the area Harry/Hermionie/Ron/Draco ect were if he noticed Hermione then for the first time. The book doesn't say just something to think about....

Originally posted by Ashkins
I wonder...

In the book Draco makes a comment about Krum's school only allowing pure blood.

With this in mind do you think maybe Krum wanted to see Hermione as a statement to his parents?


Thats a nice call, I hadnt thought about that, maybe. I'm sure Draco told Krum all about Herimone being muggle born, hmmm gonna have to ponder that one...

Mmm, yeah, that does have potential for nice little plot twists. But, we also know that though Krum feels about Hermione like no one else he's ever known, and would miss her most in all the world... I Don't think she feels the same way towards him. When/If this turns out to be true, then, will it provide impetus for him to turn to the dark side?

And Dobby & Winky.....I think he loves her, & she likes him. But she got so worked up re: her despised 'freedom' that she just closed into herself. I hope she wakes up & sees him for the gem he's been for her! Little house elves would be cute!!
And, If she needs a real family to feel 'at home', not a huge school, then why not put them at the Weasley's?

Krum liked Hogwarts better than Durmstrang, that is clear...maybe he's hoping to work on his parents to go there? Though he knows the dark curses---at least crucio...the pain curse, I still don't think he's evil right Now...I didn't get the impression that he fit in all that well w/the other D sts.

OT: Why was Barty/Mad-eye teaching them to fight dark curses? Was it really DD's plan? Cuz, it seems to me, that wouldn't be a good thing for a dark wizard to be teaching 'good' wizards...it would make them less able to be controlled when the death eater's opportunity came! He did a Really good job of teaching, too...he could've been not so effective a teacher, and met the requirements...

Part of this haunts me about Barty....something feels wierd. Like it may not be as it first appears...and we know the kind of plot twists JKR pulls!! That one caught me blindsided, & I can usually see them coming a mile away! Too bad he did get mind wiped by the dementors. It makes me wonder what else he knew that Voldie didn't want out, and makes me very suspicious of the MoM Fudge himself, given how close he has been to Malfoy and placed McNair as a department head!! Or maybe Barty Jr. Really wasn't a supporter of Voldie until he went mad in Azkaban?? Maybe he was being controlled via Imperius curse, as a way to get at his father! OR He maybe hoped his dad would recognize that and support him---maybe that was one of those rebellious son things, and all he really needed was a loving, concerned dad response to bring him back? But instead, hisown dad sent him to Azk, & the betrayal of his father---which was maintained even after he came home pushed him over the edge to Voldie? I don't get the impression that he & his dad talked, ever!

:wow: that's a lot of theories.

That would be so kawaii!!!! :yup: Winky and Dobby, a cute little house-elf couple. And I considered Winky going to work for the Weasley's too, but she's still so attached to the Crouch family, I don't think she would want to work for them. She doesn't even want to work for Hogwarts... Poor Winky. Maybe she'll be doing much better in the next book... poor Winky.

wow, havnt heard that phrase since my friend was talking about Sakura's relationship with Tomoyo...

:D

Originally posted by Ashkins
I wonder...
And I wonder if during the world cup when Krum and his team mates went up to the area Harry/Hermionie/Ron/Draco ect were if he noticed Hermione then for the first time. The book doesn't say just something to think about....

Hello:)
I don't think so.Normally after the game, players return to their assigned room. If we will also consider him looking up, I think it will be very difficult and quite impossible since from Harry and company's place in the Quidditch pitch, they still need "Omniculars" to see the players better.
That is why I find it strange that suddenly Krum got interested to Hermione without any indication that he noticed her and found out her whereabouts.And the first 2 reactions I noticed from him after his arrival is giving Harry a "dark look" (chapter 18) and "surly looks" to Harry and Hermione (chapter 19) . It seems to me he doesn't like Harry at all and he even confirmed it in the last chapter (36). He spoke there a "scowling" way.
Very strange...indeed.

Originally posted by Xikum

Krum liked Hogwarts better than Durmstrang, that is clear...

Hello to you!
Oh ,Yes, that is true:). That's what he told to Hermione. But could it be one of the reasons or the only reason of liking Hogwarts better than Durmstrang has something to do with the weather ?.Hermione said it's lot colder where he comes from.:)
I really,really can understand that. I used to live in a warm place but when I moved here in Germany where the weather is unpredictable and crazy, I miss more my first home.:)I like my first home better than here.

Anyway, let us just hope that we can find out all the answers we're waiting for in book 5. :) Krum turned out to be an interesting character.:) Is he a good one or a bad one? Is he really sincere to Hermione or just pretending so he can get Hermione's confidence?

By the way, I forgot to add in my previous post about what I've found about the meaning behind Krum's name and his wand's other characteristic.

Krum - not a passionate person. prefers platonic friendship than love
(Oh! Oh! )
dragon- dangerous?

Hmmm....hmmm can't wait for book 5

Sorry..I went off topic again. Can't think how to end this.

But Krum didn't like harry because he thought there was something between harry and hermione! And after the second half he was trying to talk to hermioninny but she seemed too enthralled by harry making him jealous of harry and unfriendly towards him.

Also durmstrang students seem to keep more to themselves...probably kakaroff taught them to be suspicious of every one?
Hermione in the library- maybe draco let it out... Or maybe he just went to the library because he had nothing better to do, then he fell in love with her.
Since hermione dosn't really seem to be too pretty, it may have been her intelligence that brought krum to like her or the fact that she didn't follow him around, whispering asking for his autograph. Her disinterest stood out amongst the rest of hogwarts?

Neville may have asked ginny because he felt that the other girls would turn him down...and ginny desperatley wanted to go...no actual love there i think...

Originally posted by Lavender*Quill
But Krum didn't like harry because he thought there was something between harry and hermione! And after the second half he was trying to talk to hermioninny but she seemed too enthralled by harry making him jealous of harry and unfriendly towards him. ....



Hallo Lavander*Quill!

Is it really your birthday today? then before I write anything else, It is more important for me make your day first by at least greeting you a HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!:) and may you have more birthdays to come. I wish all your wishes do come true.:)

Ok! It seems to me that Krum has disliking already towards Harry even before Hermione came to the picture. Regardless if he is sincere or not towards Hermione. I think his disliking increases during the second task not only because of Hermione's cheering for Harry but more importantly because of other people's acknowledgement regarding Harry's showing moral fibre which earns Harry high points. He was described "he didn't look very happy at all."
A certain idea came to me while watching a a tv show with "very popular" celebrities in Germany as guests but then Robbie Williams is also a guest... a very popular indeed. I've noticed that even though they are all popular in their own right but I can see there is somewhat "akward behavior" among them. Who will aknowledge who?
Krum is a very popular person and ....described as probably the "best" international quiddicth player . He may not like the idea of being famous (perhaps)but how would it be like to meet another equally famous person like Harry Potter? You see, in the last chapter he mentioned that he likes Cedric because he is polite to him. It seems to me that throughout his stay in Hogwarts, he needs that same "aknowldegement" from Harry also that will (at least) make him feel his status(even just for his own sake)...to bring back his confidence to himself. Perhaps during his stay in Hogwarts, maybe for once in his life, he maybe felt just the "second popular or second best. It is hard to be used always on top. It may not be intentional for him to feel this way but still It hurts him somehow.:) Despite that lots of fans are asking for his autographs, it gives a different feeling if another equally popular person like Harry will ask for his autograph. But Harry didn't even bother to ask his autograph or showed any reactions like a fan does. It somewhat affected him.
Speaking of second task again, "in his eyes", it's only and always be Harry who is blocking him for Hermione's attention. Krum will never think of Ron or consider Ron for that matter because Ron doesn't fall yet in the same level like Harry. Krum and Harry shared the same qualities...popularity and excellent Quidditch players. But then, only the next chapter that Hermione confirmed that "she's busy seeing whether Ron and Harry were ok" when she was asked by Krum to visit him in Bulgaria. I'm sure Krum has no idea or consider Ron who could be one of Hermione's attention at that time.
It's probable that if Krum's feelings towards Hermione is really honest , it could be a reason of liking her because she never ran after him for his autograph.But, the question again is how did he recognize that? He never noticed Hermione upon his arrival or had the chance to encounter her. He just appeared in the library.And at that time Hermione and Harry are together studying and giving them "surly looks". Regarding Hermione's intelligence could be the reason of liking her, I doubt it also. I don't think he has already the idea about it that is why he goes to the library. How will he ever know about that? So, the question again..how did he know that Hermione is always in the library if she is the reason going there? Sounds really creepy.

hmmm...hmmm....The mystery of Viktor Krum.
I just hope (again) that Krum will turn out to be a good guy. Regardless if he will be Hermione's guy or not (Whew! need to be back on topic)

again...HAPPY BIRTHDAY...LAVANDER*QUILL ;) (Is it really your bday?)

Umm that's an interesting theory and would be interesting to see Krum; who was pretty much a one-sided character in GOF become more dimesional in the following book. However, in reading I really didn't see it like that.
First off, when Harry points out Krum looking surly; I don't think Krum was looking actually at Harry; but this was more or less his normal expression. I mean look at the posters of him the Bulgarians had. They were all scowling, surly faces according to Harry. Even Hermione comments on how he doesn't look too happy(or something to that effect).
I honestly felt that the whole Hermione/Krum thing was meant to be somewhat of a surprise to reader. JK wanted us to drop our jaws as Harry did when he discovered Hermione was the pretty date with Krum. Therefore she couldn't have made it too obvious. Having Krum stare at Hermione or try and talk to her would be too obvious and there'd be no surprise. However, typical JK style, she uses subtle messages; making him be in the library all the time. I think the reason Krum looked surly at Harry and Hermione is that he wanted to speak to her and couldn't. i mean it must have been frustrating to him. Wanting to talk to Hermione when it seemed she was never without Harry or Ron.
Also, I do believe the whole him being upset after the second task had to with jealousy. Yes, because Harry got more points than him and also because Hermione like so many others were acting like Harry was so amazing. Oh i almost forgot something, JK did kind of hint at Hermione and Krum. When the World Cup was over, Hermione had this in awe attitude about Krum when she mentioned how brave he was. Back to the jealousy thing, I don't think that makes him a bad person.
Going back to an earlier post by Blue on Krum's lack of gratitude to Harry as opposed to Cedric. First off, Cedric was in Hufflepuff, the house that was renowned for faireness. Like someone said, I could see Karkoroff teaching his students win at all costs, anything but a win is failure, that kind of attitude. Therefore, Krum's apparent lack of gratitude really I didn't see as him being this evil guy but just being what he was taught. Honestly, I don't think he's a bad person, but I may be wrong.
Something else, someone mentioned the fact that Dumbledore didn't look happy when Harry said he left Krum with Crouch. I believed that to be that DD was worried because let's face it, soemthing really dangerous was going and obviously Crouch really needed to tell him. In times like this, some people will of course always try to stop the man talking; therfore I think DD was just worried with Krum being out there alone with a man who was unstable but also seemed to have some dangerous news. He figured the persons who might try to stop Crouch talking would also hurt Krum. I mean we know Krum didn't do anything at that time because when they gave the son the truth potion, if he had been involved, Barty Jr. would have metioned it.

Ok I guess you can tell who I like from my username, however I am doubtful that they will get together. I don't think that Harry will be with Hermione as they are obviousley very open with eachother, if they liked eachother they would be more awkward towards each other, due to their friendship i.e Ron and Hermione.

I feel that Ron likes Hermione, but doesn't realise it yet, I feel he will realise in the next book making things awkward for the trio. I feel that Hermione maybe had a crush on Harry when she was younger. She probably saw the diffrences between Ron and Harry and saw how perfect Harry seems in comparison.

I feel that it will be a long time before Hermione realises what she feels for the less perfect one. As for Harry I feel strongly that J.K plans on him and Ginny, but I feel that this next book will produce a friendship between the two.

I feel Ginny will show her true colours and many people including Harry will be surprised, I still feel that the CoS incident changed her slightly and we are yet to see that yet. It's hard to picture them together as they barely know each other, so I think book five will change that.

I still doubt they will all be in a relationship by the end of book five, their only fifteen with a big fight going on around them. So I doubt that they will go with the right people, they will more than likely date other people away from the group. To try and deny their feelings.

That would definately be intresting, to see tempers flare and jealousy at others, it would also help them (and us ) realise their true feelings.

I think J.k will still stay strongly with their friendship and show how important they are to each other. The character death (whoever it will be ....probably Hagrid), will show them how precious life really is, and that they mean the world to each other.
Thanks

YOu think Malfo dared Krum to date Hermione??

I dunno, but I've never trusted Krum. :grumble: If he's not a Death Eater now, he will be some day. He's really creepy. *shivers*

An' He Kant Spek Vell

Wait A Minute!!!! Krum falling in love with Hermione!!! That's so funny!!! I mean no offence, to anyone who thought that something would happen for them. But honestly!!!

My couple for the future.... *drum roll please* RON AND HERMIONE!!! It's so obvious that Ron likes her. And she knows it too.
Quote fom the book (4):

"Harry didn't say anything. He like being back on speaking terms with Ron too much to speak his mind right now - but he somehow thought that Hermione had got the point much better than Ron had."

OK, that was after the fight after the Yule ball. Paragraph before Chapter 24 (Rita Skeeter's Scoop). I think that Ron had said too much and gave Hermione too many hints in that fight that he liked her. And just before that Hermione says (more like shouts) "Next time there's a ball, ask me before someone else does and not as a last resort." So true. Some was going on in the second half of the GoF with R & H. I can't wait for the day that those two get together, but I'm also dreading it as Harry will be all alone again. As they will go on all these dates and Harry will be left alone. In the dorm. With Ginny, and then they came talk about how Ron dreams about Hermione and is always writing ot her. OK, my mouth/fingers are now getting carried away. Ron and Hermione will be the best couple in my opinion. And I don't know if Hermione wants the spotlight, as she would get if she went out with Harry. He's famous, anything he does is the school's gossip for a couple of weeks. Hermione would get that spotlight, and I don't think she would really want that. But with Ron, well Malfoy will tease him (Ron) but what's new! It just seems right and the better choice. I'm not putting Harry down, I still love Harry.

Plus, a thing that we have seen is that hug to handshake at the end of the CoS movie with them.

Luv ya H, H & R!!!

P.S. Don't kill me if someone has already posted something like this... I'm new and still learning (See a FIRST YEAR).

um, well it can be possible...but hey, that JK Rowling for you!

i'm definately going for a RON anf Hermione pairing, especially after COS with the handshake!!! i loved that.

but Harry, well, i don't think Ginny- dating your best friends' sibling is too much trouble...Ginny Potter *shudders*
and Cho- well maybe not, she's probably still grieving over Cedric. yeah, so i'm not sure bout Harry.

but i'm totally against Harry and Hermione...

I'm by no means a H/G shipper, but I don't get why it wouldn't be a good pairing because she's Ron's sister. If I had a sister, I'd want her to be with a decent guy. Since Harry's a very good person, I'd not have any objections. I'd be ecstatic that two people I cared for were happy!

I'm a Harry/Cho kind of guy :D

Yeah, at the end of V4, he clearly still wanted her, but recognized that she wouldn't be looking for some time, & had the class to decide not to press her, just wait to see if she would be open to him at some later point. OR maybe I'm just reading too much into 'between the lines'. But, I thought in the way she acted that she also had an attraction to him, before she began going out w/Cedric. So, if it was there before, it probably still is, just will be buried for a while.

I would love to see Harry/Hermione, i admit it, but I just don't see it happening...I do see Ron/Hermione....but I just can't imagine Harry with any of them (Hermione, Ginny or Cho), they just don't seem rigght...I have also thought of someone new...but I would not like Harry to be with a character that was developed at the end of the series......

So, this is it...

Harry-hermione..........not likely to happen (c'mon, it is clear what Ron feels for her, I don't think Harry will get in the middle)

Harry-Ginny...............She is Ron's sister and I think she is too quiet, amybe it is because she is not a developed character, I hope to hear more of her anyways

Harry-Cho...................She is older than him. She was in love with Cedric...I would not like Harry to be her consolation or something like that. He would always be thinking that she loved Cedric..It's just not right....


Anyone else....I don't know.....and by the way.... I LOVE KRUM!!!!
C'mon..he is the best. I don't think he dated Hermione because Draco dared him..... He is famous..Internationally famous......he does not need a boy like Draco telling him or daring him to do things..I think he really likes her.

Nice to hear from all of you!

Well, I think "dare" is not the right word for Krum being interested or dating Hermione. As ' I've mentioned in my previous post...if Krum is not honest, it could be a plan between Krum and Draco. I hope you can check why I came up with this one. I found some informations regarding the meaning behind Krum's name and the charactersitics of his wand which might give us a lead. Sorry, I can't repeat the post anymore.

In my case, personally, it's not a surprise for me regarding Hermione/Krum thing:-) Yes! it's true that JKR always surprises her readers but she never fails to give "unrecognizable lead" which connects what she is up to. And I think, when Hermione had an awe attitude towards Krum (she said Krum is brave in chapter 8) cannot be that one probable hint. It seems Hermione have forgotten that awe attitude in chapter 16 upon the arrival of Durmstrang and Beauxbatons. When Ron is starting to have the awe attitude towards Krum and Hermione commented "For heaven's sake, Ron, he's only a Quidditch player". And her attitudes remain this way not until "before" the Yule ball itself. But of course, Ron's attitudes towards Krum remains the same not until the Yule ball itself.

I presume, everybody has the idea that Krum is Hermione's date even before th Yule ball. In chapter 23, when Ron was aking hermione who will be her date? Hermione replied "I'm not telling you, you'll just make fun of me". This line alone is a strong hint. then followed by "That's what Krum did!" Hermione whispered when they're reading Sirius letter mentioning about Conjuctivitis curse). We're aware that Quidditch is not Hermione's expertise(Remember the Wonki Faint thing?)We can think that Hermione and Krum are already having conversation since Harry is not joining Hermione in the library anymore.

About Krum's being in the library always because of Hermione, the only "lead" I can consider of is "Malfoy bent forwards to speak to Krum". I don't think that JKR made Krum just always in the library thing to create the first foundation of Hermione/Krum thing. I think there is somewhat "prior" lead (Malfoy talking to Krum) and then she established Krum always in the library thing. It's somewhat strange that Krum found suddenly in the library because he is interested to Hermione. That looks really very strange. I maybe wrong though.;)

It maybe just a normal expressioon for Krum to look surly but it's not the only expressions he gives to Harry. Ss I've said he has disliking towards Harry even when Hermione came to picture.

As of Krum maybe a bad guy, I "never" saw him first an accomplice with BartyJr/Mad-Eye Moody. There's no connection actually. During the first chapter, JKR made an "unrecognizable lead" that it's just "one" person.... Voldermort mentioned "faithful servant" not servants. So this servant is working alone. And besides, if Krum will be involved in getting Harry, Krum's character is somewhat over in GOF. What I'm considering, if Krum turn out to be a bad guy and he had the talk with Malfoy..I'm afraid not because of Harry but because of Hermione.Barty Jr is after Harry "only" for Voldermort.This is the primary plot in GOF . And I think, Krum is after Hermione "only" being a "mudblood" for the Malfoys and Voldemort.(which I think, somewhat a secondary plot and might be seen clearly in book 5 probably if Krum is really a bad guy). remember Draco saying.." Now the Dark Lord's back! Mudbloods and Muggle-lovers first!". There's quite connection among Draco/Hermione/ Krum. Anyway, I could be wrong though. I just can't stand seeing Hermione hurt. I hope Krum will turn out to be a spy or there will be a change of heart.

Oops! regarding Krum showing no gratitude. I really didn't expect him to act the same like Cedric since they have different upbringing. Maybe, I just expect somewhat like a little bit nicer towards Harry just like Fleur. But then, even up to the time he left Hogwarts, he did not show any nice gestures towards Harry".Naturally, showing no gratitude doesn't makes him a bad person but personally , I think, it just makes him less as a person. At 18, I presume he could show even just a little bit "maturity".

I think JKR made the Hermione/Krum thing as a "big blow" to Ron and not to Harry. Yes! Harry's jaw dropped but not because Hermione is Krum's date but because "she doesn't look Hermoine at all" thing and after that he mentioned "he has no problem with Hermione coming with Krum". While Ron, there's a change of attitude. He had full admiration towards Krum before the ball and Hermione is the opposite. Then all of a sudden, they exchanged their attitudes. I understand Hermione comments she can't tell Ron because he will make fun of her. In love department, (have to be on topic) JKR put Krum's character for Ron to realize that he has a thing for Hermione. It's simple as "you will not recognize how much a person mean to you not unless the person is gone or there is a third person involved. And what makes it difficult if the person you're caring for is somewhat attracted to this third person ."And to feel this way for "a long time" not just an overnight attitude is not as simply being possessive to other person but there is something more behind it. But since, it maybe a new feeling for him and cannot yet understand this new feeling, he`s taking it in a wrong way to let Hermione what he is actually feeling.Typical boy..he's informing Hermione what upsets him by using the wrong way., ...wrong reasons. And I see it the same way with Hermione towards Ron though Hermione is quite clearer from the beginning but again, It's Ron who cannot recognize it. I just can't not help to shake my head and smile because of Ron and Hermione. The art of growing up. ;) I remember again JKR's comment if there's something going on between Ron and Hermione. She replied with "Yes , something's "going on," but Ron doesn't realize it yet. Typical boy". We can see from the question , it means if there's two way attraction "between Ron and Hermione" and not just one sided. Good thing JKR confriemd it by giving a little bit hint. It's just Ron who cannot desipher it;)Hmm...hmmm.. typical boy.
i've found another part of Transcript of Yahooligans! Chat with J.K. Rowling,

Yahooligan_Brian asks: Will Ron ever get a girlfriend?
jkrowling_bn: I'm laughing again... why wouldn't he?!
jkrowling_bn: though he's not doing too well at the moment, is he?
jkrowling_bn: but then, Fleur Delacour was really aiming a bit high

Yes! Ron is not really doing well. Should I say it again...? The art of growing up. ;)
Hope you're able to bear with my post. I'm currently on my temporary insanity state. hmmm... I think, I need rest and vacation:) Can't wait for book 5

Poor ron..... Fluer was aiming a bit high for starters though. don't feel bad bluemagic... temporary insanity brings out the best in people.! :)

The biggest reason i think that harry wont hook up with hermione is that... well.... we can tell that ron likes her and if she and harry hooked up, it would GREATLY distance ron.... harrys best friend. but if ron hooked up with her, harry would show (perhaps) slight jelousy and throw it aside and drool over cho again. I think that harry could really help her (if she let him). with the whole healing process i mean.

I honestly do not get this 'Krum is really evil' thing. It doesn't make sense, and all of the so called 'evidence' is tenuous at best.

What is his motive? Draco says Hermione is a mudblood and to go after her? What a joke. I think all through the book we were supposed to suspect Krum (hence the surliness, odd looks, etc.), but he turned out ok in the end.

I don't think Krum is evil. I like Krum. I felt bad for him because he had to have Karakoff as a headmaster. And I think his little infatuation with Hermione is so adorable!! There's really no evidence to show that he is evil, anyway :rasp:

With all the stuff about Draco telling Krum all about Hermione, I doubt it. They only sat at the Slytherin table because it was the first table when they walked into the Great Hall and they didn't know where to sit. He only talked to Draco because he was sitting there. I'll bet he didn't even like Draco, Draco was probably just sucking up to Krum because he's famous.

Yay for Krum!! :D

Krum's character is just introduced in GOF so we cannot yet simply conclude that "he's ok" since that's how it looked in the end of GOF." The title of the last chapter in GOF.. "The Beginning". It gives somewhat forshadowing in Book 5. Just like what JKR said, we will be expecting scarier things to happen in book 5....unexpected things We're just considering " what if Krum is really a bad guy and be involved Voldermort's works. ." This is not a fact . Anyway, Book 5 will answer our speculations.
As I've mentioned in my previous, previous, previous, post:) He is pretty much close to Karkaroff who is also pretty much close to Malfoys. Karkaroff and Malfoy are supporters of Voldermort. And they "all" believe that muggles have no place in the wizarding world.
It's been established in the cannon that Durmstrang is exclusively for "pure-blood". We are not aware about "the teachings" in this school concerning "muggles" entering the wizarding world. But considering Karkaroff as the headmaster, I personally think, it's not good or else he should have accepting muggles in Durmstrang also and never he will be one of Voldermort's supporters. He shared the same vision like Voldermort and Malfoys. .
Krum is "exposed and condtioned" in the environment manage by Karkaroff throughout his school life. And there's no instant guarantee, he's opposed about "mudbloods" issues. If so, it's difficult to break the upbringing he is used to. We could also at least think that Krum and Draco probably "know" or "acquainted" even before Krum going to Hogwarts.They belong in the same society(pure-bloods).
So, "if ever" he is a bad guy...what is his motive towards Hermione? It's not as simple as Draco told him about Hermione and go after her. "If" he shares the same perception like Draco concerning "mudbloods", he's just using other way to deal with it. Draco is so rude towards Hermione being a "mudblood". Hermione just ignore him and not quite affected about it. Less impact. Krum is using the other treatment. He will be nice to Hermione. Why? to gain her trust and confidence. And if he already gained this, it will be "easier" for him to put into action all the plans he's thinking of. It is easier to attack. We could imagine, how it will be "terrifying" to be betrayed by somebody we trust. The impact is much,much worst since it is unexpected.
Again, these are not facts but just my another perception...what if Krum is not really sincere towards Hermione and turned out to be a bad guy.

Can't wait for book 5:(
Wheeuw! I need a vacation. My Temporary insanity is wearing off.

Ianifiel... you are guilty for bringing up the idea of Krum being a death-eater;) hahahahaha :) Please think new crazy ideas again. It's interesting to start another discussion. I got quite tired about Krum. Please;)

ummm ok, well the Krum idea hit me after eating 4 day old pizza at 3am, ever have one of those spiritual vision quests whoa. :) Anyway,I wasnt to well after that for a bit, but I'll let you know what I can do :D

I seriously believe that Ron and Hermione will end up dating. And if it turns into love (which I am all for)... well... it's a little premature to discuss the idea of love.

Harry, I believe, will not date for sometime. Not because he doesn't want to, but becasue he hasn't found anyone yet. I mean, yeah there is Ginny. But Ginny with Harry and Ron with Hermione, all four being happy and good friends, doesn't that sound just a little too perfect? I wouldn't be surprised if he did date, but went through a few relationships, just to find out that he hasn't found the one yet. He and Cho... no. I think she knows he has a crush on her, and she may appreciate his interest, might even find it flattering... but no. I don't think she feels the same way. Plus, after having your boyfriend die... I wouldn't be too thrilled about dating right away either.

I highly doubt Harry and Hermione will end as more than friends. Though I do believe that Harry is starting to notice her. And I think the fact the he takes notice of Hermione, is a bit of a shock to him. She's one of his best friends. They been through all sorts of things, and she's always been plain, intelligent, determined, caring Hermione. But now Hermione isn't so plain, and I think he is surprised that he'd notice this. Even more so, I think Harry is well aware of Ron developing a crush on her. And he might even get a bit of laugh out of seeing how clueless Ron is about himself. But no matter what, Harry may notice how Hermione is changing, but he take it as that (maybe a bit of an attraction) but nothing more.

Hermione on the other hand, I feel maybe be in a bit of situation. I got the impression that Hermione may be a little stuck between Harry and Ron. She does come off as rather protective towards both. And she does care for both of them very much. And this is what is confusing. She may care a little more and may be attracted to one, but who?

These just are just a few ideas running through my head...

i don't think Ron and Hermione could possibly have a romantic relationship - people mention Ron's reaction to Krum taking her to the ball in The Goblet of Fire, but i think that is just because she didn't put them first, like he found it unfair she should go off with with Krum instead of either him or Harry, when they didn't have a partner. Ron is just too immature and...well, he just doesn't place importance on the things Hermione does. Harry and Hermione however, i think have a much better chance: they are both determined, Harry is much more mature, Hermione seems to care for him in a way she doesn't seem to with Ron. i think the only reason it would work would be the problem of Ron - it's like he's lost to Harry again, and if they did get together, that would be a major issue to overcome. i believe though, that they will always be close, if not best, friends.

I do not think that H/H or H/R will happen by the end of the series unless Ron or Harry died. All the other students are rather hard to say for because there isn't that much info about them. We know that Cho and Cedric went out and so did Draco and Pansy but are these just dance partners or something more. We saw a little of Fluer and her date doing something somewhere at the Yule ball and we know that Hagrid might have met his love interest but other than that we are all guessing on how personalities match up. I guess some of the kids will end up with their Magic school sweethearts but I hope it isn't a huge match making service.

Is this a theory or more knowledge from your 'source'?

yes I have a copy of book7 sitting here too!

Well you've already claimed to have knowledge of book 5 why not go all the way? :evil:

lol, you took the words right out of my mouth!! Er...my...fingers? lol

Anyway, I was gonna say, did your 'source' tell you about the relationships? Well, why not SeniorFishy, they told you everything else about book 5 :D

Okay, going back to the Krum thing for a bit; there was something Blue said that I don't agree with. You said that Krum's attitude towards Harry never changes; but that's not really true. When Harry convinces Krum that there is absolutely nothing going on between himself and Hermione; Krum actually smiles. That is REALLY big since judging from his posters, it's something he rarely does. Also, he told Harry he thought he was a good flier and that he was watching. He had to know that would make Harry feel really good getting such praise from an international player. It was a nice thing to say. Also, when he was leaving he shook Harry's hand. Now while that might not seem like a big deal; once again keep in mind the manner in which Krum was probably raised and taught being at Dumstrang. They're probably taught to be manly and most manly men shake another man's hand as a sign of mutual respect. Now again the theory is interesting and it would certainly make Krum more interesting; but I just wanted to point out these things.

Okay back to the whole romance thing; what Ame said about Hermione's feelings is exactly what I've always believed and said. My feeling was that it was impossible to say that one relationship would happen and one wouldn't when Hermione's feelings were never really obvious. She is obsessive and possessive of both Harry and Ron. What she needs is a female friend to help her sort it out(Lavender and Parvati are both airheads and I don't think Ginny will want to discuss any feelings Hermione may or may not have for Harry.) Personally like I've always believed; it is difficult to say from the four books, who'll end up with who. Like someone said; one thing is certain, whether anyone gets with anyone in BK.5, it will definitely be the book that makes and breaks one of these ships. Oh another thing that Ame and I agree on is the whole R/H-H/G scenario being too bloody perfect. I'm sorry I know this may sound harsh; but I'd rather Harry be alone for all the books than be with Ginny. Her character holds little to no interest to me. Plus it would be too perfect and simple and honestly; have we ever known JK to make things simple?

Okay a couple of things to discuss that have always interested me. I asked this awhile back but people were too busy being mad at each other to answer.:)
(1) I found Hermione's behaviour when Ron got attacked by Sirius in POA really strange. This is not to make any romantic observations. I just found the way JK wrote that a bit strange. Okay I know Ron was still mad at her but one of her best friends had just been attacked by one of the most wanted criminals. Plus we know she was in the common room because all the kids were there; and she never came up to ask if he was okay. At least she could have asked Harry if Ron was okay because Harry certainly wasn't mad at her; however she said nothing. I know later Hagrid said she cried about it but still in the fear of the moment to not say anything; that just always struck me as weird.
(2) Another thing in POA was the fact that Hermione followed Harry into forest to save Sirius. I mean they said there was nothing they could do for Ron; fine but why didn' t she go back to the castle to get Dumbledore? I mean that's what they were going to do before they heard Sirius screaming in the forest. Just like in SS when Harry made her go back to get DD in case he couldn't fight Snape alone; I mean they didn't know what Sirius was facing; it could have been too strong for two 13 yr. old wizards(which it was cause they both passed out). My point is that made little sense.
(3) Finally,(I know this long post is going to drive some people crazy but sorry:) ) I'd like some diehard R/H fans to tell me what exactly it is that they have together that's so amazing. This isn't sarcasm. I'd really like to know. I don't mean their constant disagreements because that could simply be personality clashes. I mean things that make them work beautifully; that just makes them romantic and you just want to smile. Once again not Ron getting jealous over Krum because he was just being childish in that situation. Okay funny but childish all the same. Also; don't say we see through Harry's eyes so there's nothing cause that's ridiculos. There must be a reason for why you would fall so in love with a couple. I'll give you guys an idea of what I mean so the question makes sense. My cousin is a die hard H/H fan. Obsessive like some R/H fans and get insane if someone says something else. Today I asked why if so many think R/H are obvious and it looks like it might happen to so many; why would she see things differently. I mean what is it about H/H(keep in mind I don't think Hermione shows romantic interest in either boy). She said it was the scene when Hermione brought Harry to see Dobby. According to her it was the genuine excitement and joy she seemed to have over sharing something with Harry that would make him happy. I thought that was nice. So, I guess that's kind of what I'm looking for from R/H shippers. I know there are people who've read the books way more carefully than I have, so enlighten me.

Btw, please don't ignore my other statements when discussing the last one. Sorry for going on a bit today. Had alot to say.:)

*phew, that was long* Nice comments lleki. I like where your going :D

Krum Mayhaps Krum was wanting to throw Harry off his trail with respect to him being a DE and maybe not a nice person. Everyone wants praise from someone who is considered the best of the best and would not want to discredit the person who gives this praise. So, when Harry is congratulated by Krum over his flying, it gives Harry the thought hes not such a bad guy, and thus might be willing to spring to defend Krum rather than accuse him if anything came up...

RelationshipsI cant see the whole Harry Ginny thing being perfect! Have you ever tried to date the best friends sister!? I came out of that realtionship without a best friend or a girlfriend, not good.

Interested points

1 - Sometimes when you see someone you really like in danger and under threat its very hard to keep what you are truely feeling under wraps. Herimone doesnt want to give away anything to Ron that isnt returned and so she would be uncomfortable letting her feelings slip when she was so very releived that he wasnt hurt...

2 - I think the danger to Sirus was overriding, plus she needed to be there for the plot :D

3 - Hmm interesting point... I'd have to say that what I get a kick out of is the fights they have. Thats what makes their relationship, be it plutonic or something else, funny and special. Both dont knwo what will set the other off and they are always on guard around each other. I dont know how to describe it. Theres just something there that makes them, in my opinion, click. However, I dont consider myself a Die-HArd shipper of anything aside form Harry and Cho...

Again, some nice ideas lleyki :D

Have you noticed when Fluer was around all the men oogled at her?? and all the Veelas in GoF??

but it didn't seem to affect Harry.....

I wonder why....

Cause Harry was in love with Cho...

exactly, because Harry liked Cho, and was interested in her, not the Veelas.....

The Veelas affected Harry at the World Cup. Yes they did.

But Fleur didn't affect him, because like all you lovely people have stated, he was distracted by Cho. Cho is a funny name. Kinda like DOG CHOW, lol. Sorry.

It's ok, we accept your weirdness, just like you accept my plans of killing off the Weasley's! :p

if you say that Harry wasn't affected by Fluer while other guys were because he 'liked' Cho what does that mean for Ron? That he truely isn't at that stage yet where he's interested in Hermione or that his feelings arent pure for Hermione? We know he has some feelings, its kinda layed right in front of us in plain black and white.

I think its more that Ron isnt aware of his feelings for Herimone, and only recently realised his feelings...

Harry seems much more strong minded & focused than the others. it seems to me. He was the one who was able tothrow off the imperious curse...It may just be that he wasn't as much affected by the Veela once he decided not to be. Once he knowit was some type of magical attraction, he knew somehow to counteract it? Given that H did have feelings for Cho, real feelings would overcome a tneuous magical charm. Vs. Ron, who even JKR says 'Doesn't even know he likes Hermione yet", even though others can see it, and so can be affected by the Veela part of Fleur.

In response to lleyki. I am happy that we agree on so many of the same ideas. But I am a die-hard Ron and Hermione Shipper. And I feel that the reasons you've stated, but dubbed illigetimate, are the reasons behind most R/H shippers, and are good enough as any. Though my reason is slightly different.

I first grew fond of this pairing in the first book. The scene when Hermione cries becasue she over hears Ron talking about her to the other guys. That's what sparked my interest. It may seem silly, but I thought 'Why would she cry about Ron talking about her?' She didn't let anyone else kill her joy. She seemed to be a proud, confident young girl, thrilled at the idea of becoming a witch. But she cried because Ron didn't like her and made it obvious? That's struck me as rather odd. Why would she cry becasue Ron didn't like her as a person right away? What did it matter to her? So, what if she's smart and was proud to flaunt that fact? But, in fact, she did cry. She was so upset she hid in the girls bathroom. No one is worth that, but yet, oddly enough, Ron was? She had no reason to care about what he thought. She's a much better witch that he is a wizard, right? But she cared, she really, truly did. That was when the idea hit me, what's one reason a girl would cry over what some boy said? Maybe because there is something there! At that point I thought I was just seeing too much. But I am even more firm about my standing.


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Cho is a funny name. Kinda like DOG CHOW, lol. Sorry.


LOL... DarlingChild... it's pronounced Ch-oh. With an 'O' sound at the end, not an 'OW' sound. I know in japanese it means Butterfly.

*sneaks in* Cho is actually a Korean name that means Beautiful; A Butterfly. Her last name is what gives away her nationality. :)
*feels like an insufferable know it all*
*sneaks back out*

:)

Well whatever her name means shes beautiful in both body and mind :D

She is a cutie! :) I never thought much about her until Book 4. Then, when she didn't wear a "Support Cederic Diggory" badge even while dating Cederic, I realized she was a really sweet gal. :) I feel bad for her, though. It must have been really tough on her to lose Cederic... I wonder who'll she end up with next. She might end up going solo through the rest of the books.

Oh, well I wasn't sure if she was Korean, Chinese, or Japanese. All I know is the cho means butterfly in japanese.

I think she will go solo for a moment. Cedric's death had to be tough on the poor girl.

yeah...poor her. i'm beginning to think she will go solo for the rest of the books, i originally thought that she might go with Harry (i'm a big Hermione/Ron shipper and totally against Harry/Ginny), but now, when i think bout it, i bet she'll go solo.

nah, she'll hook up again, JKR cant leave her alone like that :)

or will she????

Yes! she will! ME and JKR were having tea the other day and she gave me her spare copy of the books 5 - 7. Its pretty dissapointing :D

well, i am her publisher!!!

i've read 5-7 like ten times now

:);)

hehe :D

Didn't JK said that Harry would realise he had feelings for Hermione in book 5 or something along those lines? In my opinion Harry will date Hermione in book 5 but (even though I'd really like it too) I can't see it working because of the numerous pressures on Harry's day to day life. I think a possible initial H/H pairing would further enrage Ron's jealousy of Harry, who now has the girl that Ron likes affection. Ultimately and regrettfully I see Ron and Hermione together.

Were Cho and Cedric really 'dating' or were they just together for the ball??

The 'trio' will be 15.... I am sure they will date a few people before they realize the right person for them. Not very often do young teen romances lead to life time relationships. In my house they aren't even old enough to date. ;)

Umm in response to Ame. The whole thing in BK.1, I don't really think that was a sign of Hermione liking Ron. I should probably point out here that I firmly don't believe anyone was interested in anyone until BK.4(Okay unless you count Harry liking Cho in POA and Ginny's obsession since Bk.2).
You said why Hermione would get upset; but the fact of the matter is while most people found Hermione annoying because of her know-it-all attitude they never outrightly ever told her anything negative. I mean look at when she was going on about all she'd read to prepare her for her first flying lesson. All the boys(except for Neville) were bored beyond reason and wanted her to shut up but no one said anything. Hermione cried when Ron said nobody liked her because even if she knew her attitude annoyed people sometimes I don't think she truly believed that her own fellow Gryffindors would truly not like her and like R/H together or not that was a mean statement to make. That's why he said it to Harry, I don't think he ever intended for her to hear it. Keep in mind that Hermione was 11 yrs old. You truly think that at that age, someone saying nobody likes you; wouldn't hurt? Also I never felt Hermione was a very confident girl in BK.1. If anything I felt that because she had muggle parents she compensated by being really smart. Hermione reminded me of these kids who need to be good at everything because if not that somehow makes them a failure. What exactly did Ron say in POA that really sent her off;"you just don't like being bad at anything." Of course she's alot stronger in the other books but that is largely due to her friendship with Ron and Harry. Harry himself said this in Bk.1 after they became friends; that she learnt to relax a bit.

Okay my reason for not making a big deal about the arguments is because I knew that's what almost everyone would say and my feeling is that; if that's all they have that's not a good sign. Speaking from personal experience and watching it happen to so many others, when people attribute constant arguing to attraction and something deeper it rarely lasts. My point is there has to be something more because all that passion and fire eventually dies down and what will you be left with if there was nothing really real ever there? Another problem I had with that is that when I've read most of Ron and Hermione's arguments; they usually seem to be criticizing each other. I understand difference of opinion but sometimes they both seem to be truly criticizing the other's character and believe me I don't get a sense of hidden passion. I'll give an example; in GOF when they're running from the death eaters and Ron informs Hermione that house-elves like being enslaved, she goes on about how it's people like him that make unjust systems because they're too lazy to do anything for themselves. Now I don't know about anyone else; and I'm sure some people might look at that as cute bantering again, but I found that to be really harsh and I truly didn't think there was any hint of romantic attraction there. All I got was Hermione was really ****** about house -elves. Sticking to the house-elves; everyone thought the whole thing was ridiculos but Ron insisted on saying spew. Now I found it amusing because he was just trying to annoy her but it shows a lack of respect for something she believed in. Yes it may have been ridiculos and some people would not see the big deal in him saying spew; but that was simply a way of saying how ridiculos the whole thing was. My point is that stupid or not, it was something she believed in and was passionate about. I'm not saying he had to wear badges or anything but it would have been nice to respect the girl's beliefs enough to at least call it by its proper name.

A little off topic but I always wished we had read exactly what Hermione was saying to Ron to get him to speak to Harry again when she was going back and forth between them. I mean I understood what Harry was saying in that he wouldn't speak to him until he apologized for calling him a liar. My point is Hermione felt Ron was acting the way he was because he was jealous but I mean she wouldn't tell him that because he would only deny it and get upset by her saying that. I just always wondered what they said to each other during that whole situation.

Btw, glad to see some people saying nice things about Cho. I always found her to be a nice girl; maybe not terribly interesting but nice all the same. Put it this way; I'd much rather Harry be with Cho than Ginny.

Originally posted by Picko
Didn't JK said that Harry would realise he had feelings for Hermione in book 5 or something along those lines?

Hello:)
Going back to JKR interviews(again);) It's funny, My first ever post here in mugglenet is about "some" of JKR's interviews and I still have lots of them and I can assure you the validity of these quotes:)

I've been collecting all the interviews and articles concerning JKR and It seems to me that the one you have mentioned above is "not" valid. I've encountered the article in a fan site stating that "rumor" but it seems that the article is mixed up and quite messed up......discussing both the HP movies and the books as one. I should say poorly written. it is rather confusing and the funny thing is, it was "not" quoted that JKR had said that particularly. Sorry to say, it's "not" valid. Strange? Sometimes, media is just creating issues. Poor JKR, her credibility and consisitency is being ruined.

And since, the "whoever will end up with who" discussion is on again;)
Honestly, I've grown to love and seen the characters in HP growing up and personally, I feel like a parent wishing they will just remain "children" in many ways. But like in real life, a parent (or the family) should accept the fact that they're grown up and still growing up, there's an art of letting go and acceptance to the choices they're making especially to the one they will choose to love. There will come a day that each one will end with somebody special whether I like it or not or whether I like or not the person they chose.;)

Why am I saying this? As I've mentioned before, my choice of pair (R/H) has nothing to do that I like Ron and Hermione to be together or Hermione or Ron to be together. As I've said, if I will be asked, I want them to remain "children" and do their own adventures. But I know, it's impossible and not right. And only after I read GOF and pairing issues became rampant,I asked also myself. And the way I see it, R/H pairing is likely to happen. And I'm ACCEPTING it if JKR meant it that way . And I`ve grown to love the R/H pairing. I expect there will be some twists and humour but I will see R/H being "finally" together more clearly in book 6 or 7 . And my belief in R/H is also being supported by JKR herself from her interviews. I think there's no need to " stretch" what JKR says to fit into my or other people's theories supporting R/H. I believe her and Im sure, we can differentiate between an ambiguous answer and a straight forward one;)

I know I've given these quotes from JKR before but if not, just to add something to ponder. In my previous (to nth time) post, I've mentioned how "consistent" is JKR about R/H pairing based from "all" her interviews and dismissing the H/H idea.Yes! the very famous "platonic friends" and "Do you really think they're suited?" response.

It seems to me that she had already planned everything including her pairings. What a thought! Anyway, she have already written the last chapter of book 7, so definitely she knows the ending ;). hehehehe

But, Here's something to think about.

So, If JKR really planned for Ron and Hermione to be together in the of the series (perhaps on book 6 or 7) and Hermione and Harry are "very platonic friends" and "they are not suited" , then who will be Harry's "probable girlfriend"?

Here's JKR's answer (this came from a magazine which is published right after GOF came out)

Harry will end up with someone whom we've known since Book 1, but it's not Hermione. ......very interesting indeed!!

Who will be the probable candidate then? The way I see it again through the books.........Ginny Weasley :) Anyway, she also did some hinting about Ginny.

Anyway, again, I believe, if there will be "permanent" love relationships occuring on the book especially when the trio is concerned, I see it more clearly probably in book 6 or book 7. I will be surprised to see it in book 5 since in book 4 the characters are just starting to experience "new unexplainable feeling". I think in book 5, maybe...understanding the meaning of this feeling. In book 6/7, probably, there will be commitment.

Please...please...where is book 5?

Ame ;), I found your post cute ;). Actually, I want to add something to that "prior" to the event you've mentioned which I think will make you smile :) You're not the only one I've heard sighting that event in HPSS as a start of fondness regarding R/H. I am a late bloomer. JKR really fascinates me:). Hope you can wait for my response.

lleyki I'd really love to reply to your last, last post too but my time doesn't permit me anymore. hope you can wait too:) By the way, I've just read your last post......stay cool;)

Ok! got to go:-) Did I say before... I will be having a break in posting and will have a vacation? Why can't I resist ? I should let the computer out of my sight :(

Have a nice day to all ;)
and I want to end this with a quote I've found somewhere (not from JKR) but I find it interesting.

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It's difficult to see what you don't want to see. It's a perfectly human reaction to something not going your way.

P.S. When I mentioned in my above post the words "permament" relationship or "commitment" or "ending up together", I mean only "girlfriend-boyfriend" relationship always. I was just talking about the possible relationships that might take place up to book 7 not beyond;) It seems to me that through Ame's post, My post is giving the impression that I'm talking about husband and wife relationship. I just want to make it that clear.:) Don't like to mislead everybody.:) Sorry, Ame;)

Well lleyki, It seems anytihng I say is not legitamte to you, so I give up. You asked to me to state my reasons, and I did. And that's the honest truth. The idea of Ron and Hermione pairing up had hit me early on into the series, and book 4 just made it stronger. I'm not sure what type of reasoning you're looking for, but maybe another "die-hard" R/H shipper can do better.

As for any permanent coupling, I'd normally say nothing is permanent at that age. But did anyone else get the impression that things are little different in their case? I mean we know Molly and Arthur dated and you see how they ended up. And then we, at the very least, can say Lily and James also met at Hogwarts, and you saw the result. I don't know... a relationship there seems a little more permanent to me. I'm not saying whoever dates will most likely end up together. I'm just saying that the idea of a relationship starting and lasting in the HP books doesn't seem that farfetched to me.

But then again... I'm just a hopeless romantic...

Anyway, I looked forward to reading your posts Bluemagic, you've sparked my curiousity. But I think after today, I'll take a vaction myself from posting. I'll read, but I don't think I'll make anymore comments, for a little while. (Maybe one here and there). So ta, ta, for now. ;)

Harry valls in love vwith a new character, and since JKR said "Book 5 vill be in a place Harry has never been to before" the new character he valls in love with could be from my school or Beauxbatons.
Ron vill vall in love vwith Fleur, as she vill be the new DADA teacher.
I vill vall in love vwith Her-mee-o-ninny
Vred and George vill vall in love vwith Angelina and Katie Bell vrom the Quidditch team.
These are my predictions of who vill vall in love vwith who in Book 5

-Viktor

Hi I just wanted to make the point that I am a Ron and Hermione shipper, and nothing but J.K can sway me. What other shippers need to realise is that when someone reads the books you either see the suttle points or you don't. J.K has built the tense fiery but still loveable relationship between Ron and Hermione.

However if you decide that you like the idea of Harry and Hermione it is plausable that you will miss the subtle points. As you take them differently as a R/Hr shipper would.

That is to say that I respect other shippers opinion as they should mine. I like to read the books without any character preference as you miss the friendship side which is very important.

I am able to see why H/H shippers feel they should be together but I also see the relationship that has been built between Ron and Hermione.

I think too many people look only at the fights between Ron and Hermione as they are pivitol points in the books. What people tend to forget is the softer side to their friendship.

Ron and Hermione do subtle things for eachother that many would read over as just friendship. They are both stubborn which can be bad for a relationship but what relationships are perfect.............the boring ones.

I think Harry simply sees Hermione as a sister he never had and Hermione may have had a crush on Harry but I think she will realise who she is meant to be with.................Ron of course.

Besides J.K would never write something as tacky as the hero gets the girl, again it's too cliche. Besides J.K has said thier relationship is PLATONIC which means no romance, so, sorry the facts need to be accepted

Ok, I'm a Ron/Hermione shipper too, but she (JKR) never said the relations between Harry and Hermione would be platonic in future books. Facts can be changed, and added to later. I always just assumed that she was speaking of the PRESENT. She never said anything about their relationship being platonic in FUTURE books ;)

Plus, I'm really counting on JK to throw something wild and unexpected into the mix, now that we all think that we 'know' who is going to end up with who. There are still three books (two after book five), and the kids are still young...anything can happen...keep an open mind :smile:

I understand what your saying and I don't expect J.K to put any of them with the right person in the next book anyway.......she isn't that kind :).

But J.K has already wrote the books in her head and whenever asked about Harry and Hermione relationships she is not keen. She mentions platonic and asks if people think they are right for eachother?

This seems to indicate that she has little intentions of them being together.

I actually do see in the books why people think that H/H will be together and I can respect their opinions. However I find some H/H shippers cannot even admit that there is something between Hr/R and they also dismiss thier friendship.

Many forget that and because they are not a R/Hr shipper, this doesn't mean that all three are very important to eacother.

I love Harry's character and would never change him, just because I favour a pairing doesn't mean I dismiss the other as unimportant.

Thank god i'm finished you can all go back sleep now thanks:clappy: :p :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: sorry I love these ;D

No need to apologize Bluemagic. ;)

Hello! MioneandRon4ever and DarlingChild!

Hope you don't mind if I butt in.;)
Here I am again...Just a short one. (?)

THE INSIDER; An Exclusive Chat With Joanne Kathleen Rowling!
AOL Live from Edinburgh
May 4, 2000


UKMCLive: Goldhook is looking to the future... Ms. Rowling, can you discuss the possiblity of a central character dying? And, AS HARRY MATURES, does a love interest develop between him and Hermione? Thank you.

JKRLive: Well, as I said, there will be deaths, but I am giving nothing away there. As for Harry & Hermione... d'you really think they're suited?


The key phrase there is "AS HARRY MATURES ". If indeed JKR had been planning for Harry to change his feelings on Hermione later on (even though at the moment he thinks she's a good friend ), We would have expected her to answer the question with a favorable, "you're on the right track" sort of hint, like what GP got a year later.

I hope you understand what I mean ;) She's consistent in her R/H pairing and she has no intention of changing it.
Even JKR doesn't seem to believe that H/H are suited. Ok! Ok! she have already said...they're very Platonic friends. ;) What else do we expect to hear?

As I've mentioned, I believe her and Im sure, we can differentiate between "an ambiguous answer and a straight forward one" ;)

But I expect that any relationship will take place on book 6 or 7. ;) I'm excited how JKR will write this since she mentioned she will make it all "humorous". Good thing, no soap operas waiting for us.


"I want Harry Potter and his friends to grow up as well as older, though I'll keep it all humorous, well within the tone of the books. I want them eventually to be truly 17 and discover girlfriends and boyfriends and have sexual feelings - nothing too gritty. Why not allow them to have those feelings?"

- this is an excerpt from "The story behind the Potter legend Making magic: JK Rowling " article (Sydney Morning Herald)

Whew!Can't wait for book 5.

I really admire those people, as in hats off, who have shown respect to other people's pairing preference. And much ,much, more, when I've encountered other pairings especially the H/Hers who do admit that the evidence is all there for R/H in canon, but simply prefer the idea of H/H.

Please don't be mad to me..I'm just presenting quotes from JKR. Maybe to those who are interested.

Ok! good night to all ;)

It's difficult to see what you don't want to see. It's a perfectly human reaction to something not going your way."

Hey! Ame you're online! I think I have to post already what I've promised to make you smile. ;)
I will just organize it. ok?

Sure, I'm really excited to see what you have to say. :)

I'm a Draco/Ginny and Harry/Hermione shipper myself and proud of it!:D

This post is for Ame to make her smile (I hope) in support of her fondness of R/H in HPSS .
I am just requesting everybody if you don't agree or start an argument regarding this please don't reply anymore. The reason of this particular post ( to make Ame smile ) will be ruined. I hope you understand. But to those who are glad about it and happy to add Ame's fondness...you are very much welcome.
I just want to tolerate her fondness;)

I've seen these to events in HPSS and it will somewhat connect to your reason of first liking R/H.

HP and Sorcerer's Stone, Chapter Six - The Journey From Platform Nine and Three-Quarters
page 117
"Do either of you know what house you'll be in? I've been asking around and I hope I'm in Gryffindor, it sounds by far the best; I hear Dumbledore himself was in it, but I suppose Ravenclaw wouldn't be too bad...Anyway, we'd better go and look for Neville's toad. You two had better change, I expect we'll be there soon."

page 122

He turned to Hermione. "Can we help you with something?"
"you'd better hurry up and put your robes on, I've just been up to the front to ask the conductor, and he says we're nearly there. You haven't been fighting, have you? You'll be in trouble before we even get there!"

"Scabbers has been fighting, not us," said Ron, scowling at her. "Would you mind leaving while we change?"

"All right - I only came in here because people outside are behaving very childishly, racing up and down the corridors," said Hermione in a sniffy voice. "And you've got dirt on your nose, by the way, did you know?"

Ron glared at her as she left. Harry peered out the window.


We can see . . . The two times Hermione comes into their cabin are quite pointless or should I say very pointless?. First, is to ask about Neville's toad and then to tell them to put their uniforms on . . . hmmm!;) Ok! then tell Ron he`'s got dirt on his nose. hehehhe Mrs. Weasley didn't remove it quite right, did she?

Excuses, excuses. Hmmm...hmmm..It seems she liked Ron from the moment she saw him!! Why do you think she kept coming back??

Also, if she DID like him since then, that would explain why she was so hurt when she heard him bad-mouthing her (page 187..right before the troll incident) I presume, if it would have been anyone else, she would have just jinxed them or told people that she didn't care, but with it coming from Ron, it seemed to affect her more.

Soembody have mentioned that it is the 1st outright R/H hint she had ever seen. And believe with all her heart that Hermione would not have gotten so upset if Draco Malfoy or even Harry said those things. She probably would have had a "Hmmph! See if I ever help you again!" reaction and stomped away. Malfoy has said worse things to her and she doesn't get as upset as like this. She certainly wouldn't have skipped class to cry in the bathroom all afternoon. I agree with her.

Personally, I never meant to consider that by reading Ron's and Hermione's interactions in SS/PS that they were in love at eleven. Far from it. However, JKR is using the "classic love-story format". Did I notice it when I first read? Certainly! Honestly, I love those kinds of romances -I'm quite supersensitive too;).

And if R/H will really happen in the canon, JKR will surely want us to look back..... sigh.... and say, "Oh, remember how she and the one boy didn't like each other? Really Cool ;)
;)

Ok! this is it!
I hope I made you happy, Ame :) Please don't be upset anymore.

Ho!Ho!Ho! I really, really need a vacation... even in posting. Reading post?hmmm...hmmm...? Anyway, This is for real now. hehehehe ;)

Good day to all!

It's difficult to see what you don't want to see. It's a perfectly human reaction to something not going your way.

P.S.

Err....KrumRules83!
Hello to you;) Are you sure for what you have written or just kidding us.;) Next time, I will post JKR's article concerning what you've written...JKR's quote. It' seems not right. Sorry, if ever I disappoint you. Bye!

I agree wid Picko, cuz if you check out Book 5 HP couples it shows u the reasons y Hermione likes him.... also i think tat Hermione and Draco may "get 2gether"

Cuz Draco and Hermione well....in the movie wen PROF.MCGONAGAL was talkin about turning the bird/animal into a cup...well the camra kept looking at them. also He is like the lil boy who pulled ure pigtails cuz he had a crush...

:devil: LiL DeViL:devil:

who thinks Cho and Harry will get together?

...

:??: :??: :??:

Err....errr...Sarah23 HP
JKR mentioned that "Harry will end up with someone whom we've known since Book 1, but it's not Hermione."

Personally, based from this, I think.... It couldn't be Cho, since she was only introduced in book 3.

Just in case you want to know ;)

And..... we still have to wait for book 5 to come out to check what JKR stores for us. I'm getting more and more excited.;)

Bye!

lol well u sure r smart! how did u find tat out?

Aw! that's what I received from responding to you:(I thought I'm doing a friendly gesture when nobody is responding to you yet. I really need a vacation....badly!

As I've said, I have collections of most of JKR's interviews and chat sessions. What I've written concerning JKR in all my posts are valid. I don`t have any intention to mislead anybody and I don't want to ruin JKR's credibility. I thought this will do good to those who are interested and curious one. I Hope you're able to check my previous (to the nth time) post to see some excerpts . Actually, it was my first ever post if you're just interested.

I can't say anything more. I felt quite bad already.:(

Thank you. but still have a nice day:)

Bye!

It's difficult to see what you don't want to see. It's a perfectly human reaction to something not going your way.

Oh, Oh... Bluemagic that did make me smile. It does add to my whole reasoning as to why I like R/H so much. Thank You Blue. You've made my day, you really have.

I forgot to mention it, but you reminded me Blue. The whole train meeting was quite odd when I first read it. I wondered why she kept showing up for no real reason. At the time I had thought, "Wouldn't it be cute if she kind of liked him?" And at first it really was just a simple thought, but now I am the happy, go-lucky R/H shipper you see today.

Anyway, that post really did make me smile Bluemagic, :), you really did cheer me up. ;)

I'm online again...and it's 2:36 am. What am I doing? I`m planning to finish some computer works and here I am discussing HP. hehehehhe :)

Anyway, I've told you.. I will kinda "tolerate and support" your fondness ;)

I'm glad , I`ve made you happy.

It's difficult to see what you don't want to see. It's a perfectly human reaction to something not going your way.

I do that, too!!! Isn't it maddenning!?!?!? IN fact, I'm doing it right now. SO cozy at home, who wants to write reports...This is soooo muchmore fun!! Arrggghhh!!!

bluemagic always has the best posts! :) I love reading them! I'm not a "shipper", but I still think Ginny and Harry will get together, too!

I've been thinking about Draco a lot recently. Do you think he could get with Millicent? I think they would be funny together! She could probably beat him up! *lol*

lol

i was thinking more Pansy, but definately not anyone outside Slytherin, it's just unnatural for a Slytherin, specially Draco to fall in love with a person such as Ginny or Hermione.

Yeah, they would be too "goody-goody" for him to like. He needs someone who will support his evilness! :) Pansy is another good choice for him. Do we know any other Slytherin girls?

let me check...

EDIT: well, all i've found is Slytherin boys and Millicent...and Pansy...the only other girl is Zabini, Blaise...not much is there.

Thanks for looking that up, go_anna! :)

Yeah, not many Slytherin girls have been mentioned, except for those who were sorted and the ones who play Quidditch. Draco will probably get with Pansy. She likes to flirt with him a lot! *lol*

What about Dean and Seamus? Lavendar and Parvati? Anybody have any ideas for them?

since there are a few Marriages that happen between Muggles and Wizards, how do you believe that happens? From what we see, most wizards and witches are totally oblivious to the muggle world and tend to shy away from all activity. How does Riddle Sr. for instance meet his witch wife? From what we know from the Weasleys and book 4 the majority of the wizarding knows nothing about muggles and how they dress and what they do for fun. I've always tried to picture a wizard meeting his love interest who happened to be a muggle but I always seem to run into walls everywhere.

(i hate using the word witch, it just sounds evil).

Of course Ron and Hermione. But, I'd really like to see Snape get a lady friend. :D

i think tat Draco and Hermione cud hook up cuz he is like tat lil boy who pulls ure pigtails in school cuz he cant express his feelings any other way!

Blue Magic....u seem to do quite long posts!lol....but u use loads of info so tat backs up ure point! and i noticed tat u and Ame seem 2 b like Harry and Hermione u keep showin hints of liking each other( the fondness points) well sry for goin of topic everyone! but i just noticed tat! but i think tat some possible couples for HP r:

Hermione+Harry
Hermione+Ron
Hermione+Draco
Harry+Ginny
Harry+Cho

Harry and Hermione
The kiss on the cheek at the end of book 4
Some Harry/Hermione shippers believe that is proof that Hermione likes Harry; Harry noticed that she had never done that before. That could be JKR foreshadowing future events.
Others argue that the kiss on the cheek was proof that Hermione is not interested in Harry in that way. Hermione is very insecure socially, she is not the type of girl that would make a pass at a boy. Maybe she is so comfortable with their friendship that she knew he would not take the kiss the wrong way. (Thanks to ReLupin for this.)

The hug at the end of 2nd movie
In an interview with IGN Filmforce, JK Rowling said:
"Key things happen in book 2. No one knows how important those things are...yet. There is a lot in [the movie], and I know how difficult it was to get it all in there without drawing too much attention to the clues."

Near the end of the second film Hermione runs through the great hall and wraps her arms around Harry in a hug. She then turns to Ron, and they start to move in for a hug but then they step back awkwardly and shake hands.

There are a couple ways we can interpret this:

1) This is one of those clues JKR was talking about, and she is hinting of of Harry/Hermione romance.
2) Hermione gives Harry a "friend hug," but Ron and Hermione chickened out because they have a secret crush going on so it was too awkward. (This is the one I'd put my money on.)


Hermione and Ron
Ron and Hermione
At the Yule Ball, Ron was openly jealous that Hermione went with Krum. However, even though it is very easy to figure out that Ron likes Hermione, Hermione's thought's are better hidden - she hasn't shown interest in any guys yet besides Lockhart.
In this Barnes and Noble chat, somebody asks:

Is it just me, or was something going on between Ron and Hermione during the last half of Goblet of Fire?
Rowling answered: "Yes, something's "going on," but Ron doesn't realize it yet. Typical boy."

So it's pretty much a sure thing that Ron likes Hermione - does she feel the same about him? She did show signs of jealousy when Fleur kissed Ron on the cheeks, and before the Yule Ball she said to Ron, "ask me first next time and not as a last resort!" This indicates she may have feelings for him, but she won't wait around forever. Maybe she is subtely warning him that he needs to come clean with his feelings, or he will miss out on her feelings for him. (Last one submitted by BoBaFeTT.)

Hermione and Draco
Not a very good possibility, but here are two good point submitted by Yuliya:
1) The more obvious theory is the love-hate thing they have going on. Draco seems to love to torture Hermione more that the rest of the wonder-trio. The mudblood thing only works with her and is probably the worst insult any of the trio get. Draco is like that little boy in elementary school who pulled your pig-tails, Draco does like Hermione.

2) The second movie, extremely subtle things such as when Mcgonagall was explaining the legend to the class the camera showed specific glances between the two. JKR said that there were clues that were so subtle you wouldn't even think of them as a clue.


Harry and Ginny
Ginny is infatuated with Harry, but so far Harry hasn't shown any signs of interest in Ginny. Maybe Harry hasn't really noticed her yet because she is Ron's little sister. Ginny will mature, and maybe Harry will begin to notice her more in book 5. JKR did say that "Ginny Weasley would play more of a role in book 5."
Here is a good point submitted by iBrooklyBabei:

There is no real canon proof of this, but people can compare Ginny to Lily-looks wise. Both have red hair, and even the actors from the movies look similar. Harry looks exactly like his father. Ginny looks like his mother. Maybe it's history repeating itself.

Harry and Cho
Harry is clearly attracted to Cho, but Cho doesn't appear to be giving off the right signs for this to turn in to a budding romance. Cho is nice to Harry, but that's where it ends, she's nice...polite. Not flirtatious - nice. Cho is still grieving over Cedric anyway. Harry will get over Cho. It should also be noted that JKR hasn't mentioned anything about Cho playing a more significant role in future books, like she has with other characters (Ginny for example).

hey Sarah, i suggest you don't double post, next time edit your message, coz the moderators don't like it...

i totally agree with those points- nicely said! i totally agree with the Ron and Hermione part.

Originally posted by Xikum
I do that, too!!! Isn't it maddenning!?!?!? IN fact, I'm doing it right now. SO cozy at home, who wants to write reports...

reports?Oh my! I fully understand you. Especially "all" the professors are requesting reports at the same time. I know the feeling...being the guilty one;).

Originally posted by apples
bluemagic always has the best posts! I love reading them!

I'm totally blushing:o ....but there are also other and lots of "best posts" found here not written by me. :o


MioneandRon4ever and DarlingChild!

Hello! Hope that you're quite enlighten in my previous post about JKR's response on "Platonic friends" regarding Harry and Hermione was "NOT" only meant and limited to the present book which is GOF (oh! oh! I remember.... then the kiss and "Hermione talks about you often" line and etc... in book 4 are just "platonic" friend gestures ;) ) but for the FUTURE books also. Good thing, I have another qoute to support this also.... the one with "as harry matures" question ;)

Anyway, I think, DarlingChild you're the one who gave me the link of the audio. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm so surprised that you thought it is only meant for the present book. Actually, from that interview alone, it's very starightforward and she's speaking about the FUTURE books :??: You didn't sound that way before. I totally miss the Darling child posting they're platonic friends all throughout ;) Hmmm...hmm... Why became suddenly unsure? Personally, reading the transcript of the whole interview and hearing it gave me better assessment. ;)
I understand that you're not closing the door for Harry and Hermione possibilty. Me either but as I see it currently ....very,very, very, very, minimal from the way I read the four books. Personally, I think, it would have to be "pretty strong magic" for Harry and Hermione to happen if they will not change.
Keep smiling ;)

Since JKR mentioned she will make it all "HUMOROUS" concerning the love issues in HP, I'm so excited to read it already.

Have a nice day to all. ;) As I've mentioned before, I am "on vacation". I'm on my "sanity state" So, can't share "more interesting" post at the moment. hehehehe but from time to time, I will pop in ;)

Lleyki....hope u can still wait.

.why! oh why there is such a thing called "laptop". Grrr...grrr

Auf Wiedersehen! muah :)

It's difficult to see what you don't want to see. It's a perfectly human reaction to something not going your way.

I definetly think that Draco and Pansy will hook up. They are both so openly evil and have an equal hatred of Harry, Ron and Hermione, that they'd make a perfectly evil couple :D

Who cares about Draco, the little runt should be dropkicked through *** Quidditch Rings...


:devil:

Geez lani, keep your murderous thoughts to yourself :D Eventhough I'm sure everyone here feels the same way..

Offtopic:
*notices that lani has a non-anime avatar* OOOHHH was LOTR good? I'm seeing it in a few hours!

Hey guys just wanted to say I love reading your posts, I agree book one was the one that made me feel that Hermione and Ron liked eachother :clappy:

I also love how you back your opinions up with quotes bluemagic :D it's great. It also makes me more certain that they are meant to be, keep em coming :)

Glad u like my posts :o

Originally posted by bluemagic
Anyway, I think, DarlingChild you're the one who gave me the link of the audio. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Actually, I was the one who gave you the audio interview. :o DarlingChild was posting around the same time as me, so you probably got us mixed up. :)

Originally posted by apples
Actually, I was the one who gave you the audio interview. :o
oh! Apples :) I'm really, really sorry:(
I should give you the PROPER CREDIT for giving me the audio interview.
THANK YOU again. I did also the transcript of that for my better assessment.
Yes! I got confused. I went back to see the past posts. Gee! I've missed a lot during my absence.
Hope you enjoyed my previous posts.

Originally posted by MioneandRon4ever
I also love how you back your opinions up with quotes bluemagic it's great.
Thank you:o I'm very flattered. Just stay cool in posting.

Hmmm...hmmm...Can't wait to read the "HUMOROUS" love aspects in HP. :o

It's difficult to see what you don't want to see. It's a perfectly human reaction to something not going your way.

And lastly.....

Originally posted by SaRaH 23 HP
Blue Magic....u seem to do quite long posts!lol....but u use loads of info so tat backs up ure point! and i noticed tat u and Ame seem 2 b like Harry and Hermione u keep showin hints of liking each other( the fondness points)

Err...SaRaH 23 HP! Just a little bit correction and I hope you don't mind. It's "RON and HERMIONE"....not Harry and Hermione:D

Also I hope u don't mind again. This concerns about JKR's interviews.

From Barnes and Noble Chat (Oct 20, 2000):
Is it just me, or was something going on between Ron and Hermione during the last half of Goblet of Fire?

Rowling answered: "Yes, something's "going on," but Ron doesn't realize it yet. Typical boy."

The key word here is "BETWEEN". It means two way. Ron "has something for" Hermione. Hermione "has something for" Ron. It's just Ron doesn't realize it. ;)

And

"Key things happen in book 2. No one knows how important those things are...yet. There is a lot in [the movie], and I know how difficult it was to get it all in there without drawing too much attention to the clues."

The right word is "THERE" not [the movie] and she's speaking about book 2 and not the movie. I'm happy to give you the link to hear the whole audio .

http://ffmovies.ign.com/filmforce/audio/press_conf_jk.mp3

And If I may suggest,(if you don't mind again), it is better, if you will use JKR's qoutes for evaluation and assessment, concentrate "ONLY" on the books themselves. DON'T mixed up the books and the movies. It will be very confusing and might be misleading. For the movies, perhaps from the "view" of the director himself. Then, probably make comparison if they're both going the same way. Thank you ;)

Maybe you like the audio link JKR stating that "Harry and Hermione are very platonic friends"? If you're interested here's the link ( THANKS APPLES! I know I owe you.)

http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/exrad/991020.jkrowling.ram

Hmmm...hmmm...Can't wait to read the "HUMOROUS" love aspects in HP. :o Good thing....no soap operas style or any bloody love stories concerning the trio are awaiting for us.

It's difficult to see what you don't want to see. It's a perfectly human reaction to something not going your way.

Well Bluemagic uve showed me RONG AGAIN!:banghead: stupid stupid me!:banghead: i new tat someone would show me rong!lol! well thx go_anne for saying thoose nice things! i will try not to double post:o sry if i do....! uh....and i think everyone has pretty gud post for this! and Draco will prob hook-up wid Pansy cuz there both :evil: evil:evil: well...(sry im goin double post) but Bluemagic,go_anne,darlingchild,Ame and everyone else! e-mail me @ horse_fanatik@hotmail.com 2 talk bout HP stuff thx!:rolleyes: (hey wen do u guys go on?) well i also think tat Dumbledore and McGonagall like each other...cuz well they i dunno they just seem to like each other i no i dont have very gud points for this but has anyone noticed tat they seem to flirt wid each other? i think i have seen it!

:grouphug: heehee :grouphug:

well i gotta dash:mustdash:!

E-MAIL ME!:angel: :clappy: ;) :D :whistle: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by SaRaH 23 HP
Well Bluemagic uve showed me RONG AGAIN!:banghead: stupid stupid me!:banghead:

Oh! Please don't say that....and no banging of head :banghead: that could be hurting. I never intended that you will feel bad. I was just thinking... perhaps, you read my and Ame's post too fast and missed the "right names".... Or you're just thinking "something else"(well, I presume happy thoughts) when you're typing.;)... Or got suddenly excited so you typed something else. I'm sure, you've just made honest mistakes so I thought of correcting you a little bit. It happens to me sometimes though. ;)What is important , we learned from it and try to elliminate the probability of commiting the same mistake again.

Keep smiling ;)

I hope, I made you feel better now ;)

It's difficult to see what you don't want to see. It's a perfectly human reaction to something not going your way.

:o You all are way too nice to me. Sarah 23 HP, Bluemagaic, Apples, DarlingChild, MioneandRon4Ever, and everyone else. I think we all have good and valid points, and as long as we learn to respect each other than posting and chatting will be fun. Though I think it's Blue who keeps the sanity around here. ;) She's capable of providing evidence for everyone's ideas, correcting each other, and still being nice and respectable about it. And Sarah 23 HP, you can email me anytime (I think my email is in my profile... I think... I'll check it). It's nice having people to talk to about HP, my family has read the books, but nobody in my house is into it like me.

As for Pansy and Draco. I can so see this happening. It would probaly be some side tangent that will be mentioned every so often it the plots of the stories. Though it does seem a little one-sided. Pansy is obviously more fond of Draco then he is of her. Though he does seem to like the attention. Hmmm... I guess you can say I'm a bit of a shipper for Pansy and Draco too. I did hint towards them pairing up in my fic...

Sarah 23 HP, the point you made about Ginny and Harry resembling his parents and history repeating itself, I considered the exact same thought. That's probably one of the main reasons why I won't put this pairing off entirely. I mean the whole idea of history repeating itself seems to be a theme in the HP story. You know Lord Voldemort rising to power and everything. I even remember reading (I think...) Dumbledore saying something about time repeating itself. Maybe I didn't... maybe I'm just imaging things. I'll check. But Ron with Hermione and Harry with Ginny, all a happy little group, just seems so perfect. Life just isn't that great. But there is the history repeating itself... and .... :sigh: I'll keep my eye on this one.

Cho and Harry I have given up on entirely. If they do date, it will be a complete, and total, and utter suprise.... no, shock.

Draco and Hermione did have that whole "pull on your pig-tails becasue I like you" elementary school thing, back in thier first. But now the extreme dislike seems to be turning into pure loathing. I thought, when I read the first book, that it was just a little teasing here and there. But as time went on, this seemsed to turn into something worse. Once again this would be a surprise to me. Though not as much as the Cho and Harry pairing.

Harry and Hermione, I accept as a possiblity. But ever since JKR made the comment that they are only platonic friends, and the whole typical boys statement about Ron and Hermione, I highly doubt this... it's not becasue I am a Ron and Hermone shipper. It just doesn't seem logical, after reading JKR's statements. But she might be trying to throw her readers off, purposely.

And we all know how I feel about Ron and Hermione.

:D LOL... I thought of Dumbledore and McGonagall too. But isn't he like 150 years old and she's like 70. That's an 80 year difference!!! Wouldn't it be weird. I bet he was teaching when she was a kid. That'll be like dating a student. Not impossible... but highly unlikely.

I think that Snape may of had feelings for Lily while they were in school. Yeah he is mean, but he's not entirely heartless. He did save Harry back in the first book.

You know now that I think about it, Ginny might be growing out of her infatuation for Harry. I'm still thinking about this one. Though I honestly think Harry will not end up with anyone.

Okay, I've written too much. I think I'll go now... :mustdash:

:)

Originally posted by Ame
You know now that I think about it, Ginny might be growing out of her infatuation for Harry.
Wow! That's exactly what I've wondering lately, too! Do you think it's possible that Ginny may start having feelings for a boy who shows more interest in her than Harry does? Then, Harry suddenly realizes that he wants Ginny to be interested in him, so he gets really jealous whenever that guy's around. :) There's no evidence to back this up, it's just an idea that's been floating around in my head for a while.

EDIT: By the way Ame, thanks for the compliment. You're a real sweetheart! :)

Originally posted by apples
Wow! That's exactly what I've wondering lately, too! Do you think it's possible that Ginny may start having feelings for a boy who shows more interest in her than Harry does? Then, Harry suddenly realizes that he wants Ginny to be interested in him, so he gets really jealous whenever that guy's around. :) There's no evidence to back this up, it's just an idea that's been floating around in my head for a while.

There might not be any evidence to back it up, but it is a tried and true storyline :D

Well thx Ame! that was soo nice of commenting about wt i wrote thx! and Blue i guess i did read rong i mite not b a blonde but i sure am dumb!lol! well thx everyone(Ame) for ure kind posts! and the age difference is pretty high!lol! but i did notice them flirting:angel: maybe not on purpose! And Ame u no how u said tat Harry and Cho and Hermione and Draco hookin up is goin b a surprise! dont u think JKR likes to surprise us?:D ive noticed tat!

RePlY!

*!*:crush: SaRaH:crush: *!*

Lani and Apple
tat is really gud! u no wt tat cud b a possibilty! who knows....

Ame i think tat we r defiantly thinkin along the same way!who knows cuz this is one tat will b differnt then any other(raging hormones) not wt we have seen so far! But i think tat there r loads of key points in Chamber of Secerts the movie and the book!

Wait what have we done?

SaRaH 23 HP, please don't post several times in a row. If you need to add something you forgot, you can always edit your post. :)

Allrite Anne! THX for being polite about it and pointing it out for me! but uh... i dont no how to edit my post:(! and Lani u said tat thing about how Ginny might change her mind and stop liking Harry cuz someone else might like her!

Oh that :D

Sarah if you look to the bottom right of your post, you will see this little image:

http://www.cosforums.com/a/images/edit.gif

Pressing this will enable you to edit your post to add antying you might of missed the first time around :D

thx Lani!uh im sortuv replying also to wat u said about who is goin die in the 5th book!is anyone else typing other then me?

Hey Ame!;) How r ya? lol this is were everyone seems to meet up eh!:angel:

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Made By Apples
Wow! That's exactly what I've wondering lately, too! Do you think it's possible that Ginny may start having feelings for a boy who shows more interest in her than Harry does? Then, Harry suddenly realizes that he wants Ginny to be interested in him, so he gets really jealous whenever that guy's around. There's no evidence to back this up, it's just an idea that's been floating around in my head for a while.


Well, I don't know about the whole Harry realizing he wants Ginny and everything. But I do think that Neville may develop a bit of a crush on her. But this would be to her dismay, seeing how she probably won't return the feelings. It's probably a silly idea, but it would provide for some very entertaining moments, wouldn't it? ;)

LOL... I'm fine Sarah. Yeah it does seem to be where everyone meets up.

heehee it is!were we all meet up! and gud point Ame!

All are nice and cool. All are having fun. So, nothing can go wrong ;) Anyway, this is the real essence of posting ;) all are relax...no tension going on. I just hope that this "harmonious environment" will last. Please forgive me if I just say "all". I might omit somebody unintentionally. And I will surely feel bad to the dissappointment I cause to the person I forgot. Just always think, you're one of the nice and cool people here:D

APPLES!!! Am I forgiven for being forgetful?

Originally posted by Ame
Though I think it's Blue who keeps the sanity around here;)She's capable of providing evidence for everyone's ideas, correcting each other, and still being nice and respectable about it.
Am I?:o... during my " temporary insanity state" when posting. I'm really surprise! Just kidding:D I'm actually totally very, very red now.... my ears are now flipping :o My wholeheartedly bunch of thanks for the very nice compliment :) It seems Santa has no reason for me not to grant my wish. I've been receiving lots of nice words lately. It means, I behave :) Kidding aside, I think "ACCEPTANCE, RESPECT, UNDERSTANDING and OPEN-MINDEDNESS" are the key words we all need here ;)
By the way, what a "very hard" thought on Harry :(ending up alone?... no girlfriend? Hmm...hmm...Let me think....He's already an orphan...unaccepted in Privet drive. Poor boy:( And if JKR is planning to kill him off in book 7.... I'm starting to imagine him as a very miserable boy who had a very miserable life. If I'm Harry, I will have the reason to let myself to be killed by Voldermort. :D I`m kidding you;)
Ahh! (I'm sighing) :sigh: Good thing, JKR is controlling herself to type HP on the net. The chance that she might stumble in this thread is minimal or else you might give her that idea :sigh: I feel quite relieve. :D hi hi hi
Kidding aside, personally speaking, I don't think Harry will end up alone.(please feel to see JKR's qoute below and some of my reasoning)

Originally posted by SaRaH 23 HP
Blue i guess i did read rong i mite not b a blonde but i sure am dumb!lol!
Oh my goodness! why do you keep saying either stupid or dumb to yourself? Is that just an expression or what?
Just a friendly advice, break that habit or else there will come a time that you will actually believe that.

Ooops! by the way, I was hoping that after I've made a little bit correction regarding JKR's qoute with the keyword "between", you'll sight at least one event supporting Hermione liking Ron ;) Is it a good suggestion and safe? Hmmm....hmmm...It might be the start of trouble. I notice , it's always the point of argument here. But it's up to you.
And also...Isn't it the HP board is enough for us (meaning only you and me) to discuss HP? Personally, I'm afraid you will no longer miss my post and there will bel no longer surprises if I will send you email about my thoughts on HP. :D It's not that I don't like ( I really love too) but my emails are already piling up.... already crying and waiting to be answered:( Though, I can send you short emails or ecards for friendly hellos ;)I hope that will sound alright ;) I'm quite kinda busy person whose HP is my source of fun and relaxation ;)

I really love to share my views on my other pairings aside from R/H but I'm "on vacation" ..including my crazy mind :clappy:

In the meantime, I will just contemplate and think about any HUMOROUS thing (a relaxing treat for me) ;)that could possibly happen concerning the trio when it comes to love relationships.

Ok! Just a little gyst of my thoughts.... aside from my choice of pair.... Ron and Hermione which is almost happening , I go for "Harry and Ginny"(hoping to happen). Why H/G?
I personally see the probability of H/G pairing setting up since book 1 (and that is "not" because they are cute together kind of reasoning) like the way I look the start of my "fondness" ( I'm not referring of ultimate hint )of R/H ( the train situations in HPSS). H/G seems to me complete the story JKR has set out to create in a way that no other ship does. Magical bonds. Destiny. Family. Love. And then of course, just my gut feeling. I would probably post next time to explain why I go for H/G pairing.Oh!Oh! I'm saying lots of promises to reply. :D I hope I'll keep them. ;) hmm....hmmm..I still owe Lleyki a reply/replies...hope you can still wait)l

"I want Harry Potter and his friends to grow up as well as older, though I'll keep it all humorous, well within the tone of the books. I want them eventually to be truly 17 and discover girlfriends and boyfriends and have sexual feelings - nothing too gritty. Why not allow them to have those feelings?"
---JK Rowling qoute from "The story behind the Potter legend Making magic: JK Rowling " article ---(Sydney Morning Herald)


Have a nice day to all! muah! :)


It's difficult to see what you don't want to see. It's a perfectly human reaction to something not going your way.

Okay this will be the last time I post in a long time because I'm really busy. Now some of this may seem a bit cynical; but sorry I tend to go for depressing books. One of my all time favourite books is the Virgin Suicides for crying out loud. Oh well. Anyway here goes;
I only got into the Harry Potter books after the first movie came out(late I know). I didn't pick up BK.1 at first because I assumed the movie was the same. I've since seen the MAJOR differences. Anyway, the first book I read was COS. Now being 22; I thought the whole Harry-Ginny thing was quite cute. I remember my cousin and I going "oh how cute, she likes her brother's friend and he's too polite to act like he notices". Honestly I thought it was a cute set-up and after almost being killed I thought okay she'll get more of a personality and things will slowly develop.
Okay, so then I read POA and then noticed that not only was she almost non-existent, but when she rarely did show up it was to blush; almost like a reminder I'm still here and I still have a crush on Harry. Yeah we got that in the last book. I said okay, maybe in GOF we'll see some difference; I mean the girl's 13 now for crying out loud. Nope, nothing much there. My point is, I love characters who two-dimensional, that I feel some connection with. With Ginny there is absolutely nothing there. Her character is pretty much hollow and once people get over the stupid fact that "it'd be so cute, because she likes him " ****, they'd see that. Now my feeling is that I cannot believe this is who JK would put her hero with. I think it was on the Today Show for the promotion of GOF when she said that Hagrid is her favourite character but Harry is her baby. Authors tend to act that way about the heroes or heroines of their books. Now I personally just don't think she developed that character of Ginny really well and I cannot believe that if it was always her intention to put her with Harry this is all she'd do. Once again; this is the hero of the book; the person whose fears, doubts and joys are all shared with us on a personal level and all he'll end up with is a girl who spends all her time pining after him? How exciting.
Now I could see Harry dating Cho in the next book. It probably won't last but Cho has always struck me as the kind of girl to have your first crush on and possibly first relationship. Most people don't like Cho, but I do. I find her very believable. A girl who may not be terribly deep, but who seems sweet, friendly and genuinely a nice person. Also, most importantly for me, she doesn't seem that interested in the 'Harry Potter Phenomenon'. She didn't blush or giggle when he asked to speak to her and that to me showed maturity which I like. Once again it probably won't last but it'd be a good experience for Harry and a happy distraction for awhile.
Personally I'm one of those people very accepting of the fact that Harry'll probably die in the last book. It's sad because I love Harry. Yes he's my favourite character. I could go on about the many qualities I love but I'll just say I love his strength. Howver, I'm resigned and even okay with the possibility that he may die. To that effect, I could see why JK may not build any romantic interest for him; leaving him alone, because he's our matyr. The whole tragic hero thing. Interesting, sad but interesting. Honestly I know there are people who are die hard romantics and that's why we'll probably never see the books the same way; because I'm not a romantic. Especially not cheesy ones and before anyone says Harry and Hermione is cheesy that's not true. The concept of hero gets the girl may be played out but there is nothing cheesy or tacky(to use someone's word) about Harry and Hermione's characters. I'll go more on that in a sec. Back to Ginny though; as much as this would bother some people; if I had any power over the books that couple would NEVER happen. Seriously H/G is my nightmare. Again I have no problem with Harry being alone. Like I said he's like our modern tragic hero. Being alone would fit right in.
Now going back to a question I asked earlier about what made R/H so wonderful or beautiful. Ame answered and felt that I was critiquing her response. Not so; the problem was the question was misunderstood. Instead of telling me what about them was so special; you told me when you felt they liked each other. Not the same thing. Unless what you like about them is that he has made her cry cause that's a bit morbid. Now no one since has answered that question. There was a whole discussion about the first meeting in BK.1 and about JK's responses; etc. However, so many people here who have said that R/H is so perfect for each other not one can say what is so beautiful about them. Please don't tell me without silly little arguments you can't find anything else; because no scenario is cheesier than the sarcastic sidekick and the girl who disagree all the time; drive each other insane because they're really hiding passion for one another. Oh please.
Now going back to the incident of their first meeting in BK.1, again maybe it's because I'm not a romantic or probably the fact that I'm convinced and there's been NO real evidence to suggest otherwise; that none of these kids were interested in each other until GOF. I find in interesting that the R/H attraction was so obvious yet three-quaters of the kids on the fansite dedicated to them admit they became fans only after BK.4. I guess the evidence was only obvious to some people. Honestly the only thing I got from that first meeting was that Hermione like so many others was fascinated because Harry Potter had come to Hogwarts. This had nothing to do with romance. She was an eleven yr. old who had read how amazing this kid was(said so in telling him he was in three books) and now here he was in the flesh. I mean honestly; older, more mature kids were standing on each other trying to get a glimpse of Harry on his first day. This was a big deal. If anything was probably making Hermione come back it was probably curiousity. Honestly no matter how obsessed or in love you are with R/H, doesn't the possibilty that that's the reason she kept coming back seem more believable than she saw Ron getting on the train, oh wow had to talk to him and immediately had a crush on him. What is this Sweet Valley Twins? Once again this was ELEVEN year olds.
To conclude; I have no problem with Harry being alone. Much rather that than him with Ginny. Ginny strikes me as the perpetual victim and while the hero is there to save people; the partner he has should be strong in her own right. Honestly JK'll have to do some major work to convince me that Ginny' s interesting. Cause so far it's not happening. Also, as I have always stated, I have no problems with R/H happening. I just get irritated when people say that H/H is so boring because hero always gets the girl. Both situations have been played out and sometimes it's not the situation but the characters involved. Harry and Hermione remind me ALOT of Mulder and Scully in X-Files and believe me there was nothing boring or predictable about that couple.
Truthfully the way this whole situation has been built; the only really cheesy and predictable situation here is R/H. I mean it's been thrown down our throats so obviously it's almost boring; guy who's sarcastic and a bit of hot-head; so they're constantly fighting. Oh wow; she goes out with someone, he gets jealous, throws this big tantrum. Uh-huh. I'm amazed that JK would make something this obvious and so teen-drama esque. People need to not look at the relationship type but the characters themselves and you'll see that Harry and Hermione aren't really that predictable. Someone said they have no passion because they rarely argue. Not really true; the difference here is that Ron loves to needle Hermione. Also alot of times they argue is Hermione correcting Ron about something he's done wrong. True to their nature; Harry and Hermione differ on things that are more mature. Harry did yell at Hermione in BK.1 and in POA and in GOF. They don't argue because she understands where his anger comes from sometimes. Although she's too forgiving sometimes if you ask me. H/H's relationship is very quiet, understated and subtle. Yes they are comfortable with each other, but that's not neccessarily a bad thing. They both have tempers and if important enough they will fight about something but their relationship just simply isn't built on arguing about every little minor thing. That's childish and stupid. Something as simple as saying SPEW even if he thought it was ridiculos; shows something. His respect for what she believes in. Again this isn't to prove that they like each other; that they'll end up together. However, it bothers me when people use words like cheesy and tacky to describe Harry and Hermione happening. I don't understand, what is tacky about a relationship built on trust, understanding and respect for one another? I'll say this though; I really do hope R/H happen because I've been on fansites for both ships and I'm sure most of the kids who support H/H will survive; I'm not so sure about R/H supporters. Some of them are so sure it bothers on arrogance. I mean I've actually seen where they patronize and belittle H/H supporters. For they're sake and JK's safety, I hope R/H happens. I wouldn't want one of them to pull a MISERY on the woman(if anyone saw the movie, they'll get the point).
Really sorry for going on and on and on today but hey I won't write for a good while.

you have way to much free time...

:D

But, I like cheese.

:rotfl: What's that got to do with anything? :rotfl: :lol:

Ahhhh Blue u r soooo sweet!:rolleyes: tat was the nicest post to everyone!:clappy: tat was sooo sweet!ahhh!:D and i dunno i just have a habitat of saying stuff like tat i dunno! i guess u r rite...we do have enuff time to talk about HP on the net...even though i wud want to have some e-mails so HP fans can send pics and also chat about it...:) its awesome having able to come on to this site and seeing who have replyed thoose either long or short messages about one thing everybody seems to :love: HP! and no matter how young or how old we all share the same bond we enjoy HP and the world of imagination that JKR has swept us into.

H/G seems to me complete the story JKR has set out to create in a way that no other ship does. Magical bonds. Destiny. Family. Love. And then of course, just my gut feeling.

tats a really gud thought BlueMagic! it is perfecrtly reasonable and also Ginny is goin to play more of a role in HPand the order of the Pheniox!

So u mite b getting to something BlueMagic! but of course all ure messages r thoughtful and have much reasoning!:D

but i think tat Harry and Hermione cud b a possibilty! because alot of info add up on to! and also Hermione and Ron these r all possibilitys!

Here r some of the possible couples tat can accure:


Hermione and Ron
At the Yule Ball, Ron was openly jealous that Hermione went with Krum. However, even though it is very easy to figure out that Ron likes Hermione, Hermione's thought's are better hidden - she hasn't shown interest in any guys yet besides Lockhart.
In this Barnes and Noble chat, somebody asks:

Is it just me, or was something going on between Ron and Hermione during the last half of Goblet of Fire?
Rowling answered: "Yes, something's "going on," but Ron doesn't realize it yet. Typical boy."

So it's pretty much a sure thing that Ron likes Hermione - does she feel the same about him? She did show signs of jealousy when Fleur kissed Ron on the cheeks, and before the Yule Ball she said to Ron, "ask me first next time and not as a last resort!" This indicates she may have feelings for him, but she won't wait around forever. Maybe she is subtely warning him that he needs to come clean with his feelings, or he will miss out on her feelings for him.


Hermione and Harry
The kiss on the cheek at the end of book 4
Some Harry/Hermione shippers believe that is proof that Hermione likes Harry; Harry noticed that she had never done that before. That could be JKR foreshadowing future events.
Others argue that the kiss on the cheek was proof that Hermione is not interested in Harry in that way. Hermione is very insecure socially, she is not the type of girl that would make a pass at a boy. Maybe she is so comfortable with their friendship that she knew he would not take the kiss the wrong way. (Thanks to ReLupin for this.)

The hug at the end of 2nd movie
In an interview with IGN Filmforce, JK Rowling said:
"Key things happen in book 2. No one knows how important those things are...yet. There is a lot in [the movie], and I know how difficult it was to get it all in there without drawing too much attention to the clues."

Near the end of the second film Hermione runs through the great hall and wraps her arms around Harry in a hug. She then turns to Ron, and they start to move in for a hug but then they step back awkwardly and shake hands.

There are a couple ways we can interpret this:

1) This is one of those clues JKR was talking about, and she is hinting of of Harry/Hermione romance.
2) Hermione gives Harry a "friend hug," but Ron and Hermione chickened out because they have a secret crush going on so it was too awkward. (This is the one I'd put my money on.)

Hermione and Draco
Not a very good possibility, but here are two good point submitted by Yuliya:
1) The more obvious theory is the love-hate thing they have going on. Draco seems to love to torture Hermione more that the rest of the wonder-trio. The mudblood thing only works with her and is probably the worst insult any of the trio get. Draco is like that little boy in elementary school who pulled your pig-tails, Draco does like Hermione.

2) The second movie, extremely subtle things such as when Mcgonagall was explaining the legend to the class the camera showed specific glances between the two. JKR said that there were clues that were so subtle you wouldn't even think of them as a clue.

Hermione and Krum
Krum obviously cares for Hermione, and I think she was flattered when he asked her to the ball. She might even have gone with Krum to make Ron a little jealous. Krum needs to step aside and make-way for another guy for Hermione because he is not her type. I don't think Krum will play much of a role in future books.

Harry and Cho
Harry is clearly attracted to Cho, but Cho doesn't appear to be giving off the right signs for this to turn in to a budding romance. Cho is nice to Harry, but that's where it ends, she's nice...polite. Not flirtatious - nice. Cho is still grieving over Cedric anyway. Harry will get over Cho. It should also be noted that JKR hasn't mentioned anything about Cho playing a more significant role in future books, like she has with other characters (Ginny for example).

Harry and Ginny
Ginny is infatuated with Harry, but so far Harry hasn't shown any signs of interest in Ginny. Maybe Harry hasn't really noticed her yet because she is Ron's little sister. Ginny will mature, and maybe Harry will begin to notice her more in book 5. JKR did say that "Ginny Weasley would play more of a role in book 5."
Here is a good point submitted by iBrooklyBabei:

There is no real canon proof of this, but people can compare Ginny to Lily-looks wise. Both have red hair, and even the actors from the movies look similar. Harry looks exactly like his father. Ginny looks like his mother. Maybe it's history repeating itself.


Ginny and Draco
Not a likely couple, but it could be a Romeo and Juliet sort of thing. Two families that hate each other and a forbidden romance.

Ginny and Colin
The two are in the same year and definitely share a common bond - Harry. Maybe they'll set up a Harry Potter fan club together and start to notice each other. Bit of a stretch, I know, but this was submitted by too many people to not mention.

Ginny and Neville
Maybe Ginny will discover Neville's "inner-beauty." They did go to the Yule Ball together, even if it was a last-resort for Ginny.

Draco and Pansy
They went to the Yule Ball together, and they are both in Slytherin. Who knows?

Bill and Fleur
In book 4 it said Fleur was eyeing Bill with great interest, and that she clearly did not object to the fang earrings. Fleur is a beautiful woman, and they are somewhat close in age, so it's definitely a possibility.

SIZE=3]Fred and Angelia[/SIZE]
When Fred asked her to the Yule Ball she said something like, "Yes, alright then. And turned back to Alicia and carried on chatting with a bit of a grin on her face." Then, at the Yule Ball, it said they were dancing away so exuberantly people were backing away in fear of an inujury.

Hagrid and Mme Maxime
This is an obvious couple that will probably play an important role in book 5. We'll...uh...leave it at that.

Well tats all for now! HOPE u like the couples ive posted!

Originally posted by bluemagic
APPLES!!!Am I forgiven for being forgetful?
Of course you are! *hugglesquishes* It's no biggie. :) And don't worry about it- it could happen to anyone! *lol*

lol wt happened?

She confused me with DarlingChild because we were posting around the same time. :) Hehehe! I've actually done this a few times too... :whistle:

lol allrite!heehee

Ahhh!But BlueMagic is always sweet!She always is sooo polite and apoligizes!:)and everybody does tat!:D :clappy: :rolleyes: :whistle: ;D(the mix ppl up thing):angel:

Originally posted by SaRaH 23 HP
Ahhhh Blue u r soooo sweet!:rolleyes: tat was the nicest post to everyone!:clappy: tat was sooo sweet!ahhh!:D
So u mite b getting to something BlueMagic! but of course all ure messages r thoughtful and have much reasoning!:D

I'm turning very, very red again:o ..and my ears are flipping:o Thank you very much for the wonderful comments. We just try to keep the thread a friendly environment ;)
Originally posted by SaRaH 23 HP
He always is sooo polite and apoligizes!
Err...errr SaRaH 23 HP... I am a "SHE" :D

I love to share my full thoughts concerning H/G but it seems I should reply first to some post of Lleyki. I owe her replies.

Also, since you're stating again your possible couples that might occur. Hmmm.....hmmmm, it seems you didn't concentrate on the corrections I gave you:( I think, I should write again. I am supposed to share with you two qoutes from Chris Columbus himself concerning the non-hug between Ron and Hermione for your better assessment.

from TLC (October 2002)
Chris Columbus regarding the non-hug scene between R/H.

TLC: So it is foreshadowing.

CC: "It is foreshadowing, yeah. I just love the idea that the two of them, that there's an impending crush. And it's such a real thing for kids at that age. For instance, I asked Emma to hug Dan, and she said, 'No way,' and that was the day she was the most nervous being on the set. She was like, 'I am not going to hug him, no I'm not.' And I said, 'You've been petrified, this is one of your best friends, if not your best friend, you have to hug him,' I said, 'but you won't hug Ron, because that's where the tension is."

also

Time Magazine (October 28, 2002)
"Ron and Hermione's romance is just beginning to blossom in this movie."

And these are JKR qoutes concerning romances in her books.


From Barnes & Noble Web Site Chat with JK Rowling ( September 8, 1999)
(This interview was done after the release of PoA... .meaning before GOF) :D
Question: Dear Ms. Rowling, I'd like to ask if there would be a lot of romances between the characters in the upcoming books?

JKR: "Good question. I'm having so much fun writing Book 4 because for the first time Harry, Ron, and Hermione are starting to recognize boys and girls as boys and girls. Everyone is in love with the wrong people. Let no one say my books lack realism".
Since the question concerns the trio's lovelife..... The wrong people - Fleur for Ron, Krum for Hermione and Cho for Harry.

From Oct. 20, 1999 National Press Club Author's Luncheon
(This interview was done after the release of PoA... meaning before GOF) :D
Question: Do Harry and Hermione go on a date?

JKR. "No. They're very platonic friends. But I won't answer for anyone else!" Nudge nudge, wink wink
You may listen to the interview to hear how "STRAIGHT-FORWARD" JKR answered this. No ifs and buts ;)Since this was asked before GOF and the question is in "future tense" and didn't indicate which book she's referring to .Meaning, the reply was suited starting from GOF up to book 7. So, We should not be expecting "any" indication of H/Hness in GOF book. They`re VERY Platonic friends. It means, ABSENCE of romance or attraction. ;)
The "But I won't answer for anyone else" means there will be a couple who will go on a date and since we haven't encountered any dating yet in GOF so the indication here, JKR's WHOLE reply, the platonic and anyone else are meant for the FUTURE books.. up to book 7;)
THANK YOU....Apples!!! for the link :D
http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/exrad/991020.jkrowling.ram

From Barnes and Noble Chat (Oct 20, 2000):
(this interview was done after the released of GOF)
Question: Is it just me, or was something going on "between" Ron and Hermione during the last half of Goblet of Fire? I love your books, by the way, and two of them I've read straight through cover to cover in under 24 hours.

JKR: "Well done on the reading speed! yes, something's "going on," but Ron doesn't realize it yet. Typical boy."
The key word here is "BETWEEN": It means "two way".
Hermione "has something" for Ron and Ron "has something" for Hermione.
Hermione realizes she has something for Ron but Ron hasn`t realize that he has something for Hermione yet.
Yeah! typical boy indeed! :D

THE INSIDER; An Exclusive Chat With Joanne Kathleen Rowling!AOL Live from Edinburgh (May 4, 2000 )
(This interview after GOF)

UKMCLive: Goldhook is looking to the future... Ms. Rowling, can you discuss the possiblity of a central character dying? AND as Harry mature's does a love interest develop between he and Hermonine? Thank you.

JKR Live: Well, as I said, there will be deaths, but I am giving nothing away there, as for Harry & Hermione... d'you really think they're suited?."
Though JKR's STRAIGHT-FORWARD qoute concerning "platonic friendship" between H/H is a STRONG indication that she will go for it until the end . (Even though she answered that for her future books. The qoute above may again enlighten us.

The key phrase there is "AS HARRY MATURES ". If indeed JKR had been planning for Harry to change his feelings on Hermione later on (even though at the moment he thinks she's a good friend ), We would have expected her to answer the question with a favorable, "you're on the right track" sort of hint, like what GP got a year later.

I hope you understand what I mean But,she's consistent in her R/H pairing and she has no intention of changing it.
Even JKR doesn't seem to believe that H/H are suited. Ok! Ok! she have already said...they're very Platonic friends. What else do we expect to hear?Anyway, she have mentioned that she wrote down all the plots of her last three books and the last chapter of book 7. She knows the ending already ;)l

As I've mentioned, I believe her and Im sure, we can differentiate between "an ambiguous answer and a straight forward one"

The above qoutes are just facts. Please don't be mad at me to anybody who doesn't agree. ;)I cannot do anything about it. Personally, What I'm curious and concern about to read is how "HUMOROUS" she will make the romances in her books ;)no matter which pair will come up :D

Have a nice day to all! muah! ;)

It's difficult to see what you don't want to see. It's a perfectly human reaction to something not going your way.

Sry BlueMagic!:( plez forgive me!:smile: i just fixed it! cuz i read ure profile!:coolblue: :smile: and u always have great comments and so many ideas to back up ure point!@:angry: how do u do it?:angel: lol!

Originally posted by SaRaH 23 HP
Sry BlueMagic!:( plez forgive me!:smile: i just fixed it! cuz i read ure profile!:coolblue: :smile: and u always have great comments and so many ideas to back up ure point!@:angry: how do u do it?:angel: lol!

no problem ;) and many thanks for the wonderful compliment.:o
How do I do it? Hmmmm.....hmmm.. . Perhaps..careful reading and deep understanding of the subject matter?It's hard to discuss something I'm not aware of. ;)
As I've advised you before, be sure you've read carefully and truly understand what you have read before responding ;) And double check what you have written if that's what you've really meant. ;)So, there will be no room for mistakes ...specially misunderstanding. If in case it happens, very minimal.
The way is just like you're answering a math problem :D To be impulsive in answering without understanding the problem is a very big NO. That's not acceptable. Or else the big chance that what you have written and answered is wrong ;) Patience is also the key word. :D

I hope what I have said is useful not only here in HP board but perhaps in your studies ;)

Ok! Have a nice day ;)

It's difficult to see what you don't want to see. It's a perfectly human reaction to something not going your way.

Daaaaaamn blue, how long does it take you to write these posts :D