Book Five Predictions: Who Will Fall in Love with Whom?

Oh no, if Sirius does die, that'd be devasting. Does this guy resemble Dumbledore? Cause if he does, then he could play Dumbledore, and Dumbledore might die in book 5.

sirius black, i'm confused about that last post. elaborate, please?

I'm pretty confused by that as well...

Originally posted by dracofan
Don't you think JKR will have a bad wizard go good in the series. So why not Draco?



She already have Snape

If Snape falls in love, it will be really awkward. It would make sense if in the past he had somebody, but who can he possibly like now? That'd be a real wierd area to go into. And it wouldn't be all that wierd if Draco turned "Good," at least for a while. Draco is a boring character if he doesn't twist. Unless Draco becomes a real violent character (he's kind of a wimp, getting beat up by a muggle-born witch), then he's not interesting. What fun is a coward that just has muscle men to beat guys up? If Crabbe and Goyle die, then where will Malfoy be? Obviously he'll be forced to give in and be kicked around by Harry. And it's also likely that Draco has feelings for Hermione. You must admit, a guy like Draco likes kicking Hermione around. From his point of view, Hermione provides the most fun out of three, and he enjoys her the most. Draco has an obsession with Hermione. He's fascinated by her, but he doesn't want to admit it. Maybe he's afraid she'll like him back. He might not be ready for that. Somebody who actually likes him. I mean, if she did like him back, he could have a nervous breakdown, because everything he thought about life was wrong. I'd be pretty freaked out, being completely wrong about my idea of what life was supposed to be. Or maybe Draco realizes that if Harry realizes he likes Hermione, Harry will know his weakness. So Draco torments Hermione in a way evil enough to make any Potter believe he hates the girl.

The only relationship I really see is Ron and Hermione. It's not obvious, you really have to study the way they act around each other. And if Harry gets Hermione, that kind of leaves Ron in the dust AGAIN. He's always left behind. He needs a chance to shine, to have something happen to HIM for once. I know everyone says Ron doesn't deserve Hermione, but he needs her. He's Harry's best friend, he shouldbe of more solid design. He gets in too many fights, he needs something to make him a likeable guy. And all the times Harry swears he doesn't like Hermione. And what would be the fun in Harry and Hermione? They'd be a rather boring couple, you gotta admit. Harry's kind of a geek, he doesn't deserve Hermione.

Harry shouldn't go with anyone. Cho Chang should grieve over Cedric for a while, then just dating popular guy after popular guy. Then Harry realizes she's not all that great a person,and gives up on her. Then he realizes that the ones he loves will always be the ones who pay. Harry can never love, because Voldemort will find out, and use it against him. Sadly, and truthfully, that's the evil of love. Harry should have to discover that at some point.

Maybe a new Girl comes to Hogwarts.
And maybe Ron will fall in love with her.
Who noes? :??: :??: :??:

Hhmm, a new girl is always the option, but dont you think that if any new students came to Hogwarts, they would be first years? JKR has naver mentioed in any of her books about a new person coming to Hogwarts. Has she?:??::??: :??: :??:


But as whacky as this seems, Fleur might come to Hogwarts, as she said. And she might hook-up with Harry, this would be weird though. But she did seem to have something for Harry. I have no clue!!
All I kno is that there are going to be some relationships, JKR has made that clear.
:love: ;D :crush:

Isn't Fleur 3 years older than Harry. I don't see that happening.

But maybe a pairing between Fleur and Bill. She was giving him the eye at the end of Goblet.

Definitely Fleur & Bill...hehehe
And we could see it develop if we find out that there's actually also advanced teaching going on at H's
I know at university the undergrads & grad students didn't mix...just because of time and no classes together...
...or if for some reason,w/Voldie getting more active, they decide to station more people who have finished their training on school sites as extra eyes/protection?
But, yeah, there were Clear signs of a Fleur/Bill attraction!!

I could see Fleur and Bill..

Hi, I'm really new. Call me Nikki
Pansy and Draco: I think they will be together in a LONG time from now. Why? Because ummmm...... BECAUSE!

Draco and Hermione: Possible but please, PLEASE let it be a no!!!!!! PLEASE! :pray:

Ron and Hermione: Doubt it :td:

Harry and Hermione: I hope not :td:

Cho and Harry: NO WAY! :td: :bigtu:

Me and TOM FELTON: PLEASE!!!!!!!

Interesting posts since I last came here. Okay a few things. The people going on about Draco/Hermione; are you'll saying that to be different or do you'll truly believe that that's possible? This isn't a criticism and I'm the first person to always say that Literature is open to many interpretations. However, even if words and incidents can always be interpreted many ways, there are some ideas that can seem improbable. I'm sorry but the Draco/Hermione pairing seems like one.
Okay some argue that why is she the only mudblood he seems to pick on when there are others in the school. As one person pointed out, we don't know that Hermione is the ONLY mudblood he picks on. We know when he does it to her because it's their lives we're privy to. We're not aware of the lives of other students. Also, the Slytherins don't have every class with the Gryffindors. We can imagine what Malfoy would do to the poor Hufflepuffs who all by nature seem to be sweet, fair kids. Therefore we can't say that Malfoy only attacks Hermione. Also, while there are other mudbloods in their year; none of them but Hermione is top of the class. A little factor that probably fuels Malfoy's hate above everything else. Bad enough he's barely getting decent grades, but he's getting his butt whooped in EVERY subject by a filthy mudblood(to use his word) and she's a girl too. That has to be killing his ego.
Someone mentioned him staring at Hermione in the movie when they were told about the Chamber of Secrets. That was simple intimidation tactics. A way of saying the chamber is there and you're next mudblood. Hermione stared back simply as a way of showing Malfoy that he wasn't intimidating her. She did it to his father in Flourish and Blotts. Say what you will but she's definitely someone who won't be intimidated. Finally, I feel the other main reason for Malfoy constantly attacking Hermione is because of Harry. Above everything else; who Malfoy really, truly hates is Harry. However, it's very difficult for him to get to Harry. When something like the dementors on the train and Harry fainting happens; he can tease him for a short while but people get over that and in a little while noone's impressed anymore. Therefore there's nothing to really constantly hurt Harry about. He can't make fun of him about money(like he does to Ron), Harry's rich. Quidditch, Harry's better than him. Therefore all that's left are the people Harry cares about. He constantly attacks Ron, Hermione and Hagrid, knowing Harry'll always be bothered on his friends' behalf. Someone, said that Draco seems to get worse with each book and that certainly seems true. Honestly that Draco/Hermione thing might have worked before GOF(although I doubt it) but Malfoy's reactions after Cedric's death in the hall and on the train seemed to reaffirm his cruel and evil nature. It was like if you were thinking he's not really a bad kid; that proved it. Someone died and not only did he not care, but he made cute comments about it. I'm sorry after that there's nothing redeeming left.
Okay before I stop, I have to say something else. Sorry, I haven't been here for awhile. Anyway, I read a post that made an interesting statement. The person said that H/H won't happen because among their other reasons; apparently Harry's kind of geek and doesn't deserve anyone. Now that statement confused me alot.
For one thing, is that to say that geeks don't belong with anyone. That they too don't deserve love? Also, why is Harry a geek? Is it only because he gasp, wears glasses or because like Ron he isn't always ready to fight? My belief of the nature of that term was someone who's incredibly smart, clumsy and who girls usually aren't attracted to. Someone who's famous, an exceptional athlete among other things is a geek? Geeks all over should feel good; they're apparently getting cooler these days. That's one of the most ridiculos reasons for why H/H won't happen that I've ever heard.
Okay everyone says if H/H happen, Ron will be left behind again, Harry'll win again. I guess it's pointless to say again that Hermione's not a consolation prize and to go into the many reasons why Harry has way more hardships than Ron(poor or not); because it seems some people are determined to look at this on a purely superficial and materialistic level. Oh well. However, here's something else to think about.
Ron by many accounts is a normal teenage boy. A bit of a hothead, sarcastic and yes he feels insecure alot. That's pretty normal for 14 year old boy. Even his reaction to Fleur and his not wanting to go to the dance with anyone ugly; is typical of boys at that age still figuring who they are. My point is because Ron is so much the typical teenager, he can pretty much work with anyone. I hope this is clear to everyone. If JK wanted to put Ron with Lavender or even Parvati; it could work and it would be believably done.
Why do some people find it so hard to get a girl they think matches with Harry; to the point that some people say they should bring in someone new? Usually these are the people who are convinced that R/H will happen; so as far as they're concerned she's not an option. However, while Ron could pretty much date anyone, the same's not true about Harry. For one thing he can be very moody and tends to be introverted at times. Not to mention the constant worrying about him; what with Voldie constantly trying to kill him. This is the simple fact; no girl in that school knows Harry as well as Hermione does. None of them understand him as well, support him and can be as brave as she is. That is a simple fact. Doesn't matter which shipper you are. Some people can say that we wouldn't know because he's only been close to her; but the fact is she will always know him better than any other girl will. She's been through everything with him. My point therefore is so many people like to say that if H/H happen what about Ron. However, one can say the same thing. If R/H happen who would Harry be with? Honestly none of these other girls have the character enough to be with Harry.
Oh one more thing. Ron has a severe inferiority complex. That's what almost ended his friendship with Harry; do you think Ron would be able to handle for a long time; a girlfriend who is way smarter than him and constantly corrects him? Cause knowing Hermione even if she got together with Ron she'd still be just as argumentative and a know-it-all. Think about it, your best friend who's famous and gets more attention than you and your girlfriend who gets more attention than you and is smarter than you? I'm sure Malfoy would love needling him about that too. Alot of people who love Ron seem to equate him being with Hermione as some victory and his way of finally one-uppig Harry. Truthfully Ron would still be overshadowed by both Harry and Hermione. Also, it would only be a victory against Harry if Harry started having feelings for Hermione himself.
Sorry for ranting so long.:)

I do not think very many people will argue with you Lleyki, many of these people who will not accept another point of view are going strictly by the movies.

Liars Prosper.
-anonymous

Oh wow! lleyki, I must say that I agree with everything you just said! Everything makes so much sense! I never even thought of it that way...the whole 'who will date Hermione' thing. Personally, I think it would be best if neither Ron nor Harry dated Hermione. They are such great friends and it would be horrible to see their great friendship be ruined over teenage hormones!! You're right when you say that no one will ever know Harry as well as Hermione does. But that doesn't really mean that they are 'perfect' for eachother. Which is also a reason that I don't think they should date. I'm starting to think now that Ron and Hermione shouldn't date either...but JKR said that Hermione will be 'lightening up' a lot over the last few books. Ron and Hermione: a definite? No. It's only a possibility. You forget...Hermione is a teenage girl, with feelings of her own. You never know...Ron and Hermione might get on a lot better than we think.

Nevertheless, I don't think Harry or Ron should date Hermione. It would be best for them to bring in people from outside their little circle.

I read in the transcript of the Caroline Rae show when Danial Radcliff was on.

He told Caroline that there would be a romance between Ron and Hermione.

YES!!!!!
Really??? Anyone else hear it? Is there a link to the transcript? I'd really like to see it.

Thanks Oddfellow and Darlingchild.:) It's nice to see people open to opposite opinions even if they're a particular shipper or not. I know you mostly like R/H Darlingchild so it's nice to see you accepting another opinion. Too many people here are set in their ideas. Btw, I kind of agree with you on the whole idea of them all staying friends. It would be simple and honestly I think JK might have done that; but by the second books critics were already complaining that it was a little fake that three teenagers could spend so much time together and noone likes anyone. Therefore I think that and other factors have prompted her to put romance. So, I'm pretty sure one of the guys will be with Hermione. Who and will it last is another thing altogether.
Oh in response to Dracofan and Xikum. That's not what Daniel really said. Caroline asked if Harry has a girlfriend in the books and he said no but that he THOUGHT Ron and Hermione were going to get together in the next book. The kids are as lost as all of us. They, just like us don't know what's going to happen in the books but are just making guesses based on what they've read. So sorry if some of you'll got excited over that.

Awww. Thanks, Ileyki..but, hey, they know more than we do, don't they?

Originally posted by Nikki Felton
Hi, I'm really new. Call me Nikki
Pansy and Draco: I think they will be together in a LONG time from now. Why? Because ummmm...... BECAUSE!

Draco and Hermione: Possible but please, PLEASE let it be a no!!!!!! PLEASE! :pray:

Ron and Hermione: Doubt it :td:

Harry and Hermione: I hope not :td:

Cho and Harry: NO WAY! :td: :bigtu:

Me and TOM FELTON: PLEASE!!!!!!!

Oooohhhhhkayyyy....

*set up the Love Potion so Lockhart and Nikki get together...*:love:


:rotfl:

Originally posted by lanifiel

Harry and Cho. No contest.

*high fives*

I'd like to post more (you know me) but I can only do that later.

Just to add glow (and tension :D) here...just kidding ;)

Speaking of inerviews....This was taken during the press conference of COS last October. The-Leaky- Cauldron was one of those who had the priviledge to be there and they *specifically* asked the 3 stars concerning the trio's character in the future books.

Dan, Rupert and Emma

*TLC*: Can you predict one thing you think will happen to each of your characters in the books?

Emma: She will do something really clever, like she'll be a doctor or something, or she'll be really academic.

Dan : Does it have to be my character?

*TLC*: It can be anything you want.

Dan : I think these two [points at Emma and Rupert, i.e. Hermione and Ron] are going to get together. That's my prediction.

WB Rep : Well Rupert, what do you say to that?

Rupert: Yeah, that's what I was going to say as well. I was going to say hope they don't fall for each other. [ said in very 'teenager, grossed out by love' way. ]

*TLC*: But do you think they will?

Rupert: Yes.


Also in this said press conference, the director himself explained the non-hug between Ron and Hermione in the movie. (note: I've made bold to some replies to put emphasis :D)

Chris Columbus regarding the non-hug scene between R/H.

*TLC*: Quick thing about the end of the movie. There's a very adorable scene where Hermione hugs Harry, but she doesn't hug Ron - what was behind that non-hug for you?
CC: Did you read book four?
*TLC*: Yeah, I did. [You've no idea.]
CC: So, it's a little bit of a taste of what's to happen, what's coming up.
TLC: So it is foreshadowing.
CC: It is foreshadowing, yeah. I just love the idea that the two of them, that there's an impending crush. And it's such a real thing for kids at that age. For instance, I asked Emma to hug Dan, and she said, 'No way,' and that was the day she was the most nervous being on the set. She was like, 'I am not going to hug him, no I'm not.' And I said, 'You've been petrified, this is one of your best friends, if not your best friend, you have to hug him,' I said, 'but you won't hug Ron, because that's where the tension is.

also

Time Magazine (October 28, 2002)

"In Chamber of Secrets, the romance between Hermione and Ron begins to blossom but just slightly."





p.s. It seems to me that Christopher Columbus is no longer a kid at lost when Ron and Hermione probable romantic relationship is concern. Anyway, JKR herself CONFIRMED that
"yes, something's going on , but Ron doesn't realize it yet. Typical boy" in book 4
, how can he be at lost?
(Just a note: notice that Hermione's feelings are NOT ambiguous in JKRs estimation, since the 'subtext' or 'implication' of her answer 'but, Ron doesn't realize it yet. Typical boy' is that Hermione is aware that there's 'something going on' between Ron and herself :D I'll post the original transcript of that later) Therefore,the next questions will be ... will Ron realize it ?Will it prosper or not? And if yes, how? For sure, it's gonna be a long, long way though romances in the books will be done in humorous way. Anyway, they are just discovering this unexplainable feeling in book 4 and they still need TIME to understand the meaning of this feeling. Besides, there are "lot" of things still happening out there to think of. Hey, this is not a pure romance novel. I'll qoute JKR again when romances are concern in her books“Let no one say my books lack realism “. :D

Have a nice day to all!!! ;)

Hallo! Lleyki! you're back! I'll post something for you later :-)...my impending post

wow..you did some homework

well, the thing is...how do we know that everybody is gonna fall in love with everybody else? for example Fleur and Bill. it's a bigger world out there, the stretches of love (did i just say that?)reach beyond the school yard. (okay, i'm freaking myself out)
it's possible for Bill to marry a muggle, it's possible Harry will become a loner, it's possible that Ron might have 5 divorces. okay, i don't think everybody will suddenly fall in love with each other when puberty hits. it's not all a friendly world at Hogwarts and the people around them.

just a thought.

Pansy Parkinson will fall in love with Draco? The seeds of "love" (if you can call it that) are already there. He won't love her back but they might get together anyway.

I think Ron and Hermione are adorable together. There's a definite tension and chemistry between them. I mean the way Ron disses and critisizes her! How elementary is that? It's so cute, the way they argue all the time, setting Harry as the peacemaker. Like JKR said there's something 'going on' but Ron, being the guy he is, doesn't realize it. We can assume Hermione does though, especially with what she said during their arguement in the common room after the Ball. True, it would be obvious for her to realize it, since girls are said to mature faster and usually have a better understanding on that sort of thing. I do feel sorry for Ron, him being so overshadowed and all. His best strength is probably Wizard's Chess, but JKR doesn't really focus on that anymore. I admit that Ron might not get together with her because of his whole insecurity and overshadowing thing. But maybe, just maybe, Hermione would be able to give Ron the comfort and appreciation he'd been longing for?

And as far as Harry goes, I'd be pleased if he won't end up with anyone. No offence but I just don't see Harry in that way. Sure he had a thing for Cho, but that was a kiddy crush. His first crush. I doubt they'd get together. I mean set aside the fact that she doesn't seem to show any interest in him at all, but he was present when Cedric died. Wouldn't he remind her of him in a way? Him and Ginny? I shudder to think. I mean he practically considers the Weasleys as his second family so the very thought of him and Ginny is... disturbing. ~_~ As for him and Hermione, I don't see a romance budding. Yes, she hugged him in the first book. Yes, she kissed his cheek in the fourth book (probably trying to get Ron jealous again?). And yes, she hugged him in the second movie. All could lead to the conclusion of a 'thing' she might have for him. Hermione does do a good job of hiding her true feelings - minus the Lockhart thing. But that was probably a kiddy crush as well. But the way I see it, all those hugs and kisses look more like their friendship strengthening. Like she's comfortable enough with him that she'd do that. You don't see her doing that with Ron. Probably her nerves get the better of her and she stops herself. It's a typical thing. Girls won't normally show interest in the guy they really like. They'd either 1) bully him, 2) avoid him but worship the ground he walks on secretly, or 3) have a litle cat-and-dog flirty thing going on - but nothing so obvious. Girls would usually kind of avoid the guy they like, and act somewhat distant, while when they're around other guys, they're completely normal and relaxed. Again this is leaning more towards R/H, but it makes sense. It's also the most obvious. That being said, I have reason to doubt their pairing. Because we all know how JKR likes to surprise us...

Originally posted by go_anna40
it's possible for Bill to marry a muggle, it's possible Harry will become a loner, it's possible that Ron might have 5 divorces. okay, i don't think everybody will suddenly fall in love with each other when puberty hits. it's not all a friendly world at Hogwarts and the people around them.
just a thought.
EDIT:
Hello!You've made me smile with your post ;) Anyway,the book is only up to 7 including the epilogue. The trio will only be 17 by book 7. We can only somehow predict about "probable developing romances" which DEPENDS on the plotline that concerns that specific area and that should be from book 1. I don't think we should be already concentrating about divorces here especially when the trio's lovelife is concern. And it doesn't mean, the one who ever will be the trio's GF or BF at 17 will eventually become their future wife or husband. What if boy a or girl b dies? Scary thought. I can't think about the epilogue yet though I strongly believe that JKR made the set up already since book 1 for her future romances. I`m still on the process of figuring it out..all of them ;)but I think it is most likely that whoever will be the trio`s partner in Hogwarts , those pairs will end up in marriage like James/Lily and Arthur/Molly. Anyway, Yes , there will be a sort of girlfriend/boyfriend thing in HP books and I will qoute JKR for this.

From Sydney Morning Herald - October 28, 2001
JK Rowling during her one-on-interview with Jennie Renton

"I want Harry Potter and his friends to grow up as well as older, though I'll keep it all humorous, well within the tone of the books. I want them eventually to be truly 17 and discover girlfriends and boyfriends and have sexual feelings - nothing too gritty. Why not allow them to have those feelings?"
But then, we should be reminded that HP is NOT a pure Romance novel.Romances in the books are just one of the MANY issues being presented in the books."Let no one say my books lack realism" like what JKR have said. It's not that if we see boy A with girl B, hmmmm....hmm... we feel suspicious or there's "love is in the air thing" ? Well, in fact, as readers, we should consider first what is the purpose of any scene we've read and to be able to have better interpretation of the purpose, we should also be aware in WHICH issue being presented in the books depict this scene.

For example of some issues in book 4
1. Voldermort returning to power
2. Racism
3. Slavery
4. strange friendships where teenagers starting to find their own identities and in their various ways, facing up to the things that have been imposed on them by their parents or school boy/girlfriendships
5. Boy/Girl best friends relations
a. Similarities of B/G close friendships with G/G or B/B close friendships
b. 2 kinds of B/G close friendships
b.1 platonic friendship
b.2 non-platonic friendship
8. Acceptability and reactions from majority of people concerning B/G close friendships
9. Reaction and effect on people involved in B/G close friendship towards the reaction of majority of people on B/G close friendship.
10. Romances
a. Acceptability and reaction of a "person" who shows interest to another person involved in B/G close friendship
b.Acceptability and reaction of people involved in B/G close friendships when one of them started to notice or show interest to another person with that of opposite gender.
11. The ESSENCE of platonic friendship
12. magical bonding
etc...etc....etc....

The thing is, I think it is very important for the readers to recognize different issues being discussed here. And for better analysis, we should OPEN our eyes in EVERY detail written in the books. It means from cover to cover NOT the scene we ONLY want to remember and to interpret. More or less, we can see the outline idea of each book (but not necessarily knowing the ending of book 7) if we recognized those issues. At least, as readers, we have at least the idea we're we going. I believe careful readers will notice some scenes that we will tell ourselves " I should tell extra look of this one". There's something different about it. Something like that. It's difficult to be branded as a "lost reader". Good thing, JKR herself is giving some hints and explanations about the issues involved in HP for better understanding. Though, it DEPENDS how the readers take it especially the ambiguous ones but the Straightforward answers, no contest about it ;)

It will be very strange to pick up a scene which is actually meant for "Voldermort returning to power" to be used in "developing romances" for such interpretation.Or the scene meant for the issue about "racism" to be used in "slavery"..etc...etc...As you can see there are different important issues to consider and romance is NOT actually primary plot since HP is NOT a pure romance novel.And the author, JKR just blended these different issues beautifully starting from book 1. As readers, we should blend our thoughts and reasoning also starting from book 1 so we will see the development and differences.:)
Again,since JKR mentioned something about epilogue in book 7, we can see what happens to those who survived :D Perhaps, we can see there about whose marriages takes place or if somebody get divorce or how many divorces take place or whatever.... :D

Lastly, don't get the impression that I am an expert about this. I just consider myself a very careful HP reader. :D I am just giving you another perspective. thank you


Originally posted by Lleyki
Another thing in POA was the fact that Hermione followed Harry into forest to save Sirius. I mean they said there was nothing they could do for Ron; fine but why didn' t she go back to the castle to get Dumbledore? I mean that's what they were going to do before they heard Sirius screaming in the forest. Just like in SS when Harry made her go back to get DD in case he couldn't fight Snape alone; I mean they didn't know what Sirius was facing; it could have been too strong for two 13 yr. old wizards(which it was cause they both passed out). My point is that made little sense.

Hello lleyki! How r u? this is one of my impending replies for you. Sorry to make you wait.

1. In HPSS, Hermione is really supposed to go with Harry but the content of the smallest bottle that will get them through the black fire - towards the Stone is only enough for ONE of them. So Harry suggested to Hermione to drink the content of a rounded bottle that will get her back through the purple flames, get Ron, grab brooms from the flying-key room to get them (Hermione and Ron) out of the trapdoor and past fluffy - go straight to the owlery and send Hedwig to Dumbledore......

2. In PoA, it was a moment of indecision for Harry but they cannot do anything for Ron at the moment.ok! So why Hermione still followed him?

It is REALLY the intention of the author, JKR, to place Hermione in that scene, for us, the readers, to AT LEAST recognize that Harry is starting to be exceptionally and instinctively good even much better than Hermione in one specific area. We're aware that she is the MOST excellent student...the BEST in everything (perhaps except flying).

In that scene, Hermione and Harry saw Sirius who had turned back into a man and at least A HUNDRED OF DEMENTORS, gliding in a black mass around the lake towards them. We're aware that 1 dementor is quite easy to drive it away but at least 100? A powerful Patronus is needed.
Both Harry and Hermione were trying to say Expecto Patronum. "Black gave a shudder, rolled over and lay motionless on the ground, pale as death".(pager 412). But Hermione COULDN'T do it and eventually she collapsed LEAVING Harry Alone to say Expecto Patronum.
During this time, Harry, all alone, was able to conjure succesfully his own Patronus against at LEAST A HUNDRED of DEMANTORS that drove them back. And what he did is actually a VERY poweful one since he did it alone. Then,he saw an animal midst the light, galloping away across the lake...... until he felt the last of his strength leave him, and his head hit the ground as he fainted.

In other words, this specific area that Harry is starting to EXCELL INSTINCTIVELY even much better than Hermione is DEFENSE AGAINST DARK ARTS aside from Quidditch of course.:D It seems that Harry is slowly gaining powers without realizing it too....he's a great and powerful wizard in the making :D

Actually, I was surprised to read one of JKR's interviews and somehow her reply gave me the assurance that this is the part she is hinting "without anyone really noticing it" :) That scene is actually unnoticable that it's hinting something like what you've said "that made little sense" but perhaps I'm a little bit lucky to notice it.;)


WORLD EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH J K ROWLING
July 8

Q: If Harry had a magic duel with Hermione, who would win ? (Doyle Srader, Nacogdoches, TX)

A: Very good question! Because until about halfway through Azkaban, Hermione would have won. But Harry - without anyone really noticing it - is becoming exceptionally good at Defence Against the Dark Arts. So that's the one area in which, almost instinctively, he is particularly talented. Apart from Quidditch.

I just hope, I've made a satisfactory and humble answer to your question. :D I've warned you before, literature is NOT my area (I ADORE people like you who chose this major)but there are just few things I still remember from what I've learned in my lit and journalism classes (way,way,way back) which gave me a LITTLE BIT confidence in giving interpretations.I wasn't sleeping at that time, perhaps. Whew! But I know, everybody here DOESN'T need to be in lit class to have good inerpretations. Everybody here has their own good and excellent ideas. Anyway,just to be a VERY careful reader is much more than enough ;)okidokidoks!

Thank you, people for bearing with me. I think, I am on my "temporary insanity state" again:D
Have a nice day! :)

Umm no offense Blue; but did you really figure that out on your own or was it obvious after reading JK's interview? Don't get me wrong I'm not judging, it's just that I may never see some things like you because like I said awhile back I don't read these interview things. Unless she'll say exactly what's going to happen; I see no point. Plus I don't want to constantly have to refer to the author's words to understand a novel. Part of the whole appeal of Literature for me is breaking down symbols and words myself. It may be a different interpretation than the author was going for but at least I came up with an idea on my own. That said I guess I can see how this theory of Harry getting as smart as Hermione makes sense. Of course, I personally see no reason to have to prove Harry is stronger or better than Hermione. Truthfully I've always found that Hermione just reads more than Harry so she figures things faster than he does but Harry is very good at piecing things together too.

A perfect example of this would be when he found the paper in Hermione's hands in COS. As soon as he read the information; he knew everything. What was in the chamber, why he was the only one hearing it and even why no one actually died. He also realized that Myrtle was probably the girl killed. My point is he may not be as book smart as Hermione, probably because he really doesn't apply himself enough; but Harry has always been very intelligent in his own right. Going on your point that JK is trying to show that Harry is getting as strong as Hermione; I guess another example would be when they were doing their Banishing Charms in GOF. Without even concentrating, Harry's cushion landed neatly right on top of Hermione's own. I thought that was interesting.

Okay going back to some earlier posts. I hate to break it to some people but no, the kids don't know any more than we do. A perfect example of this was Emma's Teen People interview. She admitted that her and her friends discuss and argue about what will happen in the future books(kind of like us). Interestingly she said alot of her friends think R/H will happen and her response is " of all the people". When the interviewer then asked her who she then thought Hermione would get together with; he noted that was the only time she looked flustered and she stammered that the decision was up to JK. My point is if we're suggesting they know more than us; I would interpret that as Emma knowing that R/H won't happen. As is I simply think that Emma's personal feeling is that she's not a R/H shipper. So in conclusion I would ignore what the kids have to say about the future books. It's all their own opinions just like these are ours.

Now as for CC, I don't think he knows either. He like so many others after reading GOF, simply felt that R/H was going to happen and therefore decided to hint at it from the second movie. I won't even go into the many reasons why I didn't like the idea of shipper stuff in the SECOND movie; aside from the fact that there wasn't any until GOF. However, the whole thing backfired. I'm sorry but that whole thing looked forced. The whole movie there was NO sign of anything between R/H(okay he wanted to attack Malfoy for wanting Hermione dead but see how calm you are when someone you hate wishes death on your friend and add the fact that you're already pretty much of a hothead), then at the end they just don't hug and he starts babbling like an idiot. I mean it could have helped if he had made Ron instead of Harry tell Hermione how much they needed her. Honestly I know it's really hard for some people to look past what they really, really want to happen. However, people need to TRY and step out of that I like R/H or I want H/H together and see that that whole attempted shipper thing made no sense in the movie, was pointless and the movie would have done fine without it. Cause all it did was get so many R/H shippers riled up and excited and the whole thing was just stupid. Honestly I watched the movie with my sister who has never read a Harry Potter book(i know, hard to believe there are people like that left in the world) so she isn't biased for any one couple in the least. Anyway when it was done, without talking about the hug scene I simply told her if she thought R/H liked each other. She asked if Ron was the best friend and said that actually it seemed H/H liked each other but judging on the last scene it seemed Ron liked her too. I said but look at how they didn't hug; she said "actually Ron seemed tense and Hermione probably knew why". Also, she pointed out something; that after Hermione says that they figured it out on their own and Harry says they couldn't have done it without her; watch her face when she looks at him and smiles. Not for nothing, but this isn't the first time either that Harry and Hermione share this smile, like they know a secret the rest of the world doesn't. I'd refer you to the ending scene of SS.

Okay sorry to have gone off topic. It's just that someone mentioned the movie and CC in a previous post and I got riled up about this again. My feeling remains the same; the hug, the so-called tension and awkwardness all could have been left out; because there was really no point to it. Besides even that awkwardness didn't really prove anything because as I understand it Emma was uncomfortable hugging Daniel; to the point of not even wanting to show up to work on that day. So what; someone's going to say she likes him?

In my opinion it´s sure as hell that ron and Hermione will fall in love. They play it cool, but inside they know they like each other. If Harry would get Hermione, what would Ron do? He wouldnt have anybody to love. Harry´s always been the wise-cracker; if they take away Hermione from Ron, maybe he´d even join Voldemort ! Harry´ll fall in love with Cho or Ginny.

Here my personal predictions so far, even though at least a hundred people before had the same.

Ron - Hermione : I am sure of that one :love:

Harry - Ginny : Not sure here, since there can be more girls around, but i don´t think it will be Cho. JKR used her to show that Harry start to interest himself in girls.

Hagrid - Maxime : They are going on a diplomatic mission to the giants on Dumbledore´s order.

I hope Snape finds someone, would be funny :)

No problem...lleyki

EDIT

I've mentioned before that I've read and finished reading all HP books last March 2002. And since that time, I was already taking some *notes* (if you still remember, I've even mentioned about that here and you even replied something about it too .And somebody here started to insult or humiliate me or made some funny comments for doing such thing? Do you still remember it? Actually, one of the reasons why I left the board for awhile ).Anyway, the thing is I am very fascinated about JKR's style of writing and it inspired me to do that so . I was actually once a literary journalist for a year(that was long,long time ago). And I'm proud to say that JKR is the reason why I'm reading the HP books : D I care ALL about the characters because SHE wonderfully created them and I think all careful readers feel that way too despite that we have our own favorites. In other words, even before, I have already my "own crazy little interpretations" and theories. Sometimes, I think I've gone too much

Actually, it was only last November that I've started taking JKR's interviews since EVERYBODY is talking about the qoutes JKR is giving and using it as a support to their statements. I've told you before, personally as a reader, it's not a problem if I will have my own interpretations and I will not hear anything from the author. Like what you have said, we see the book the way we see it. It's not disappointing for me as a reader if my ideas are wrong. No one can say that. Only the author herself or perhaps from somebody who is REALLY expert in literature . But since JKR is giving some ideas, I find it a CHALLENGE to my understanding to know those interviews since I am actually hearing from the author herself what she really wants to imply in her books since I have already my own "crazy ideas" . I can already compare. It's already an assurance for me as a reader that...yeah! you understand this right or ooops! think deeper please. Something like that. But as you can see, even I get some of her quotes, I really check its validity. I don’t just simply believe from what I hear or read. Being once a literary journalist myself, I strictly believe in RESPONSIBLE journalism:D

I'm actually just a VERY careful reader with just wild imagination but I’m sure I still miss a lot of things. But, I will honestly say that my interpretations/ideas were broadened and improved ... because of my experiences( I am not 22 but I know Chemistry somehow…sounds familiar :D You inspired me with that line. I did just some twist;) How I wish I can say I'm 22:( Anyway, you can take my Chemistry literally and figuratively speaking :D). And of course , some ideas from other “matured� people I've met here on the net have their own share.

I think it’s very hard to use JKR's quotes, as a “firsthand basis� of interpretation since the reader has no actual idea what is really inside the books. Oh! that will be simply chaotic . I believe in continuation of thoughts or ideas. I mean it’s important to understand the plotlines and the stuctures. And we can only achieve that if we REALLY read and understand the book. Anyway, I can't even imagine a reader doing something difficult like that. .First, It will be very hard to support his/her interepretion , there will be lots of loopholes found and lastly, it limits the reader’s understanding. Though, I would say I ‘ve found a lot here who used JKR qoutes but it seems to me that some who use it is not even sure to support his/her interpretation. I believe , the ideas from the author and the interpretation from the reader should both coincide, the interpretation should be properly explained and should not have any loopholes if they ACTUALLY understand or get the essence of the book.

Going on your point that JK is trying to show that Harry is getting as strong as Hermione; I guess another example would be when they were doing their Banishing Charms in GOF. Without even concentrating, Harry's cushion landed neatly right on top of Hermione's own. I thought that was interesting.

I think you misunderstood my post.. Hermione is the MOST excellent student in all her subjects (except maybe flying). Yes! Harry is also intelligent in his own right but the thing is Hermione is still better than him. About the Banishing Charm ( btw, it’s a charm subject)…. yes Harry was able to do it but who actually helped him first about that? Hermione. So it shows that Hermione is still has the advantage in Charms. What I’m pointing out Hermione is the best student in all subjects and Harry is just starting to keep up with her. But then, there is one subject area that Hermione is already quite behind Harry and that is the DEFENSE AGAINST THE DARK ARTS specifically. In other words, before, Hermione was the best student in all subjects. But now ,she is still the best but not to all the subjects anymore because Harry without knowing it is already better than her in one particular area already which is DADA .:D Remember, the scene you’ve mentioned in PoA which is somewhat strange? Why Hermione is there? I’ve said It’s the intention of the author, JKR so we can see the comparison . Harry was able to conjure his own Patronus against enarly 100 Demantors but Hermione not.
Actually, there’s an implication about that. Harry’s gaining power and “extra talent� SPECIFICALLY in DADA may take an important part in his battle.

As for the movies, I NEVER actually use what I’ve seen in the movies for my hp’s interpretation . Anyway, I have my own already. :D Though, I would admit that I’ve watched it just for fun and see if it is exactly the same how I imagined. I always stick my interpretations based on the canon. I actually somewhat disappointed since some are not really faithful to the book. Like for instance that Hermione became so emotional in Hagrid’s hut after Malfoy calling him a mudblood. In COS book, Hermione doesn’t even know what a mudblood is so how can she be super hurt?. And Hermione is NOT that sensitive type. This thing is very important. Ok! just for cinematic effect. About the non-hug thing. As I’ve said, it only came to me by surprised because it’s actually how I picture in GOF ( ok…just behind the scenes between Ron and Hermione…. after Hermione gave Harry a kiss IN FRONT of a lot of people or after Harry left:D )

BTW, just a word of advice, be careful by using the word stupid, you might get misinterpret.somehow, What maybe something stupid to you may not be stupid to others :D R/H maybe rejoicing (Good thing, I am not a teeny anymore ;) ) just because they saw what is actually they’re imagining in the books the way they intepret it. Anyway, they have actually the reason to rejoice, JKR herself,CONFIRMED the R/H possibility in book 4. Let them enjoy. Speaking of bringing somebody in the moviehouse, I was also accompanied by somebody.He NEVER read any HP books also but after watching the movie, the non- hug for him is “there is tension …yeah a sort of an impending crush bet R/H�.H/H are just friends. That is just another point of view from an older ooops!.. matured person . :D
I will try to post next time (?) how I interpret this “Ron and Hermione� and “Harry and Hermione� thing . If I can make it possible…. step by step, with all the scenes depicting this plotline.

I am not saying that I am right but I have the confidence with my interpretations regardless of JKR's qoutes since I can't find any loopholes yet. And I was able to make an outline :D Anyway, before I came up with my own interpretation, I've studied them really well and balance it with a lot of opinions from others already. I just love to read other's opinions.
oops! What I'm trying to imply is ..according to my assessment ....there is MORE of chance between R/H possibility in book 5 than H/H (and NOT that they will really be together as GF/BF) since my interpretation is based on book 4 :) And they still have lots of maturing to do
Thank you for bearing with me;)

Yeee gods is there a word count we must achieve to be part of this thread now? I'm sadly lacking :D

Originally posted by lleyki
Thanks Oddfellow and Darlingchild.:) It's nice to see people open to opposite opinions even if they're a particular shipper or not. I know you mostly like R/H Darlingchild so it's nice to see you accepting another opinion. Too many people here are set in their ideas. Btw, I kind of agree with you on the whole idea of them all staying friends. It would be simple and honestly I think JK might have done that; but by the second books critics were already complaining that it was a little fake that three teenagers could spend so much time together and noone likes anyone. Therefore I think that and other factors have prompted her to put romance. So, I'm pretty sure one of the guys will be with Hermione. Who and will it last is another thing altogether.

See, I've always had an open mind...I cange my opinion of who will die at least three times a day :). I so love to hear what other people think, and when they post new and exciting stuff in an intelligent manner, I get excited. I love it when someone says something to make me think, something that counters what I think...something that makes me re-analyze all of my facts.

It's very true that too many people have only one idea in their head and they won't change it, even if someone presents a piece of evidence that blatantly suggests against what they think. In most cases, the bringing up of such evidence only 'seals the envelope' on their claim :D

The fact is we do not know what will happen, there is not enough eviedence to conclude ANYTHING. The problem is, as they always do, people convince themselves concretly in one spot. Yet they will find sometimes it is best to bend like a palm tree in a hurricane.

Yes! Lanifiel, someone finally said it!

Said what?

What about Seamus?
(No one else is talking about other characters)
He says in one of the books that Pavarti is the prettiest girl in their year, then why does he go to the dance with Lavender? (keep in mind Lavender was asked before Pavarti)

Ron and Hermione will probably end up together, but Hermione's "relationship" with Krum has to be resolved first.

I have a theory though:
(yes i know that this is sort of dark)
I think that love isnt treated very well in the books-
1. Lily and James- dead obviously
2. The Weaslys- well, they knid of live in poverty
3. Ginny was taken into the chamber
4. Cedric died leaving Cho miserable

Interesting idea u came up with, Mrs. Finnegen. Maybe it reflects Rowling own life (living first in poverty, be divorced). In the same direction, the end must be happy, though. Why? Because now she´s got enough money, a happy marriage, and fans all over the world.

The ending doesn't have to be happy. HP books are the story of Harry's life, not hers :smile:

It's only that a few of the themes in the books are taken from her life experiences.

Yes! Lets kill off Harry and the side of good and let Voldemort rule over all the world enslaving muggles and corrupting them to his side! Onwards evil!

I just read through nearly 50 pages..of..argh..

I don't care how many quotes you have, how many interviews you have, how many essays you've done, how many times you've read the book. Seriously people think they way they want to, everytime someone comes up with Harry and Hermione, BAM! A half page post filled with 20 quotes from JK and 1/3 of a book. I'd like to see Harry and Hermione together, I think they're ment for eachother. Stated around page 20-ish, someone commented about Krum talking to Hermione at the end of Goblet of Fire. I agree whole-hearted. I think Krum confonted Hermione about how much she spoke of Harry, how high and often. I think thats why she had that smile, thats why she kissed him at the end. I think this relationship will develop with books to come. After that conversation, she seemed different to Harry. Somehow, more caring (don't pull this he's still dealing with what happened). I still think the whole article run in the magazine. Harry was the one fighting it. He said that Hermione wasn't his girlfriend, but he never said anything about his feelings for her...

If not Hermione, Cho all the way. Maybe it's just because I don't like Ginny, but I think Cho would make great for Harry.

As to dating someone who he's known since book 1. I don't count Ginny as being known since then. He knew of her, he saw her at the train. What about someone from the Quiddich team? Possible.

With the whole platonic thing, JK is known for twists, what a devious way to throw the unexpected at all of us (espesially certain people).

Fred and George do need to find some girls. I mean seriously, Angelina and someone else, please!. Draco, I'd imagine he'd end up with any girl he could get just to show Harry that he has one more thing that Harry doesn't.

With the teachers.. I think Snape has some secret love in his life that he doesn't want to show. It my show a different side to Snape that would show weakness.

Originally posted by Kingdom Ops
He said that Hermione wasn't his girlfriend, but he never said anything about his feelings for her...

There is that part when Harry and Ron are fighting when Harry thinks something to the effect that (I'm not even going to try a direct quote; already messed that up once today :o ) hanging out with just Hermione isn't the same as hanging out with Ron; for one thing, it means a lot more time in the library. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. Of course, this is prior to the Yule Ball, and Ron and Hermione might get on even worse on their own, but it's something to consider.

As for Harry telling Mrs. Weasley Hermione isn't his girlfriend, how exactly does she react? I'm not going to try and trust my memory on this one, but I seem to remember her at least being there to hear it. Granted, I'm not Hermione (much as I'd like to be ;)), but if a guy I liked unequivocally declared he wasn't my boyfriend, whatever his reasoning, I'd take that to mean he wasn't interested and back off; I certainly wouldn't kiss him!

Okay a couple of responses to a few things. First off; nice post Darlingchild. That's the whole point of a forum as far as I'm concerned; to consider and discuss new and different ideas.

Okay going back a couple posts to Mrs. Finnegan. You said why Seamus asked Lavender if Parvati is the prettiest girl in the year. Honestly, I strongly suspect that Parvati probably was asked by a number of people; but turned them down because she wanted to go with Harry. I mean the minute the ball was mentioned she turned and looked at him; while giggling with Lavender. Very pretty, confident girls can do that, because they're sure they'll be asked by the boy they like. Of course it didn't help that she figured out by his attitude at the dance; that she was probably a last minute decision. Oh off topic, but I've always found that quality interesting in Harry. He doesn't seem to place alot of emphasis on looks. I mean sure Cho's pretty but that isn't the only reason he likes her. If he was that concerned with looks he would have been affected by Fleur. He always seemed to be able to look past her looks at what she was. I mean he actually called her haughty.

Okay, Kingdom Ops, I fully understand what you're saying. My initial reason for posting here was because I found some R/H supporters were very condescending to people who supported H/H and I personally saw little evidence of Hermione liking Ron. However, one thing I learnt with studying Lit at college; is that some people can be very stubborn. It's human nature and some people are just hard-pressed to ever broaden their personal ideas. Trust me until you've seen 40+ kids arguing about whether or not Hamlet was a hero or a coward; you haven't seen how stubborn some people can be. It's just something to deal with at this forum. Just don't get personal and angry. This really isn't that important.

Okay in response to Rowena; the whole Harry thinking Hermione was boring thing has been discussed but what the hell. I'll stand by what I said the last time. That whole time Harry was spending with Hermione alone wasn't exactly a pleasant time. Ron wasn't speaking to him and hate was poring at him from all corners. Plus he was terrified of what he had to do in the task and one thing Harry hates above all else is feeling afraid. It somehow makes him feel like he's weak. Now combine all these factors and it was hardly surprising and truthfully believable that Harry would be very irritable.

Keep in mind also that they were in the library looking for information on how to get past the dragon. It wasn't like; as so many are making it out to be; they were there purely because they had nothing to say to each other and no idea how to have fun together without Ron so they go to the library. Also as someone also said, had it been Ron in the situation, he would have been just as bored and unlike Harry he would certainly voice it alot harsher.

Okay the whole Harry telling Mrs.Weasley Hermione wasn't his girlfriend. This wasn't just Harry saying; "oh please Hermione isn't my girlfriend" like the idea is ludicrous; were you aware of how Mrs. Weasley's attitude changed towards Hermione after the article? She sent her this really tiny egg of toffees and what prompts Harry to tell her Hermione isn't his g/f is the cold manner in which she told Hermione hello. You must keep in mind that that article caused poor Hermione alot of grief. People sending her howlers, mean letters, etc. Harry telling people was a way of trying to make it to stop. Remember the first time Rita actually makes mention of Hermione being Harry's g/f is in the first article about him. There was no mention of him telling people she wasn't. Now this isn't to say that proves he has some deep hidden desire for her to be(sorry some H/H shippers:) ). Truthfully Harry is very private and strikes me as the kind of person who would be private about his emotions and personal life. Therefore as far as he was concerned, he knew she wasn't his g/f, she knew it wasn't true, that was it. It really wasn't anyone else's business. It wasn't like it was something mean like the stuff about Hagrid. It only became a problem when Rita made up some fake scandal and Hermione was suffering for it. Then it was neccessary to make an issue out of it and set people right about the truth.

Okay(boy I can't seem to post short posts anymore) so I don't think Harry saying Hermione wasn't his g/f was some kind of insult to her. He never suggested or implied that the idea would be so horrible or anything; it's just that she isn't. That's a fact and I truly don't think Hermione was insulted or felt that Harry was insulted by people thinking she was his g/f. Btw, interesting that someone would interpret that and think why then would she kiss him and still like him after he said she wasn't his g/f; yet are convinced that the only reason Hermione was upset at Ron is because she does like him. Ron who stated he only wanted a good-looking date; Ron who asked Hermione only when he couldn't get a date; then seemed shocked and dismissed the possibility that she actually had a date(like it was so amazing), then spent the whole night criticising her and her date. So Harry saying Hermione isn't his g/f(which is the simple truth) should get her mad; but all that wouldn't?

Well here is my take on it... Rowling said that know one in the 4th book was right for each other... and i found this website (mostly in german or czech) that has the first nine chapters of book 5...check it out ur self cause u prolly dont believe me

http://hjp.unas.cz (they are on the right side they are the only things in english)

In the beggining the writer states that until now harry had never shared the same feelings for Ginny as she did for him...i think they will hook up.

I just had a peek. It appears to be fanfic. It doesn't look like the real thing the style is wrong and ...there's Too Many plot errrors even in the first few pages, for me to continue to read.
Sorry.

If Parvati was so interested in Harry why was she so willing to blow off Harry and dance with the ?Dumstrung? boys? That whole thing made me think that once she got to know Harry she was no longer interested. Its as if she went with Harry as to say 'I got the most popular guy as my date' kinda thing. Once the dance started, she was more interested in impressing more guys.

Evil evil gril.

actually thats not my real opinion but hey playing devils advocate is fun something.

I hold to my guns on the Snape Trelawney relationship.
Maybe some of her perfume is Vampire Pheromones, but hey that is another thread.

Liars Prosper
-anonymous

Actually, wasn't it the Beauxbatons, not the Durmstrangs that she hung out with??
And, she had asked Harry and he plainly told her he wasn't planning on doing anything more w/her that evening...she was hurt. If she wanted to have any fun at all, that was the way to go about it. Also, with her announcing so loudly her future plans, she was trying to make Harry jealous....or at least show him that she was desirable, since others plainly wanted her.

Eeeekkk. Trelawney??? I could see Sinsitra, at least she's smart w/numbers, measurements (needed in Potions as well as Astronomy), dresses in black ;) and sits next to him in the great hall at dinner, at least part of the time. :)

I'm so mad because I just wrote a very long in-depth piece all about all the relationships, but I somehow managed to delete the whole thing because I'm a moron. I think I'll just mention the Draco-Hermione thing because it's an intriguing idea.

Draco hates Harry because Harry stands for his family's dark reputation, about all the goodness that Draco hates, the honestly, the disregard for power or wealth (as Harry seems unaffected even after having come into great amounts of money), and yet still remains the Hero of the School. He detests Harry (maybe even partly jealousy) and remains a rival, determined to show Harry that not everybody will like him, and not everything Harry does is perfect.

Draco hates Ron because Ron and his family stand for everything the Malfoys could be. While both families are old lines of purebloods, and both fathers work for the government, the similarities end there. Draco has money, power, and standing, his father is important and influential. On the other hand, Ron is penniless, little influence over the world, and at the bottom of the totem-pole celebrity-wise. Yet Ron manages to be one of the most popular guys in school, he has friends and probably girls who like him(you know they're out there!!) Ron overcomes his worst weakness-his poverty-and does everything on his own, without relying on others(except his friends). His most treasured aspects of life are things he's come by on his own-including his friends, who love him for who he is, not what he is. But in the end, what infuriates Draco is this: If Ron had to choose, he would undoubtably choose the life he has now, rather than the life Draco has. Ron is surrounded by love and is cherished for who he is, no matter what happens. Draco's biggest fear is that people will let him down, that people who he can count on (which is few) won't be there when he needs them. What happens if Crabbe and Goyle move away? Draco is angry because while everything in his life came through his wealth and power, Ron has many of the same things; friends, popularity; on his own. Draco is mad because it goes against everything he knows: That he is the best because of what he has, so his life will be better than that of others.

As for Hermione, she's a challenge. Draco knows her biggest fear:she's afraid that she'll be rejected. While she's highly intelligent, what she treasures more than her tests or her grades, are her friends and loved ones. She wants to be accepted (I'd place bets on the fact that she was probably unpopular as a Muggle-we tend to be scathing towards brains like her[and me!] :-( ) and here in Hogwarts she's accepted. So her biggest weakness is her tie to the Muggle world:her blood. So he attacks her heritage. But surprisingly, she is resilient. She does not bend or break, she retains her character and dignity, and furthermore, ignores him. She is a puzzle to him, an enigma of a girl, who continues to constantly surprise him:
Pansy Parkinson gaped at her as she walked by with Malfy, and even he didn't seem to be able to find an insult to throw at her.
When he's used to her being a Muggle-born brain, she becomes best friends with Harry and Ron and becomes pretty popular. When he keeps expecting her to be undesirable, she's asked out by a handsome bachelor:Krum. When he's used to her being considered ugly and unattractive, she arrives stunningly at the Yule Ball and blows him away. He keeps throwing curveballs at her, and she's hitting them out of the park.

I have no doubt that Hermione hates him and harbors no feelings for him, but it would be a fascinating character development if he harbored some for her. It would present an inner character struggle, because he would hate himself for liking her, but we need more perspective on him anyway, JKR has left him simply as Evil Lite, and not as a person. I think Hermione is a great puzzle , or challenge, to him, and I want to see what he tries to do to solve her.

Originally posted by Tcieneb Delonra
Well here is my take on it... Rowling said that know one in the 4th book was right for each other... and i found this website (mostly in german or czech) that has the first nine chapters of book 5...check it out ur self cause u prolly dont believe me

http://hjp.unas.cz (they are on the right side they are the only things in english)

In the beggining the writer states that until now harry had never shared the same feelings for Ginny as she did for him...i think they will hook up.


Tcieneb, Mr.Granger posted that yesterday; we think it´s a fake, because the obvious faults in spelling, grammar and interaction of the lead characters. Anyways, i wouldn´t object to Harry&Ginny, because then Hermione would be free for Ron ;)

Just check out my thread.
Chamber of Secrets > Hogwarts > The Great Hall > First 8 chapters of HP 5 - tell me if its real!

There many people have posted their opinion why this is a fake.

I think the obvious loves here are Ron and Hermione, simply because they behave like kids in love...neither one able to admit that they really like each other...take the incidents surrounding the dance in GoF. Ron is angry for a completely unconvincing reason, and Hermione and he argue and Hermione says that if Ron is so angry, maybe he should have asked first. I can't say I have any real proof, but I think the overall feeling I get from the books is that this is the direction we are heading. As for Harry, I think Ginny is certainly a possibility...she clearly has a crush on him, and though it my take time, when she comes of age I think Harry will notice her for more than simply being Ron's sister

Yeah that´s my point to, many readers see this chemistry brewing between Ron and Hermine. BUT and that´s a capital but -Rowling usually doesn´t give us what we expect - say, where do i get book 5? :)

I'm not taking it personally. I just think it's lame that those people won't allow others to voice their opinions.

With Snape, I don't think it should be someone at Hogwarts. I don't see anyone at Hogwarts that would be well with Snape. I'd imagine he'd meet someone out of school, prehaps another turned Death Eater.

PineFresh I loved your analysis!!!
You raised a few new thoughts, that were quite well-reasoned!
AND
You raised many of the arguements that a number of us also feel/have stated previously, nicely justified...

Good to have your company!!!

I think that was a well though out statement. Good argument. It IS nice to see someone with an open mind. No you are not a moron, But (with a capital but) I certainly am!

Liars Prosper.
-anonymous

I've got it, I've got it, why didn't I think of it before?

Professor Snape and Mrs. Lestrange. She will seduce him back to the dark side and together they will help Voldemort take over the world. Then they will retire and make lots of nasty little baby Death Eaters to ensure the continuing reign of evil.

Oh, and sometimes they'll have the Osbournes over for tea. :devil:

I though Mrs. Lestrange was going with Mr. Crowley

Liars Prosper.
-anonymous

I think Herimone will fall, big time, for Krum when he returns. Ron will be overwhelmed with jealousy and a challenege on broomsticks will happen...

Hmm... I remember something... In GoF, Bertha said something like she spotted Snape kissing Florence at the Green house (when they're still studying in Hogwarts)...

Whoa.

Snape?

He DO have feelings, huh?

Is it me or does this thread seem to be slowly dying?

And Oddfellow that post was funny. Trelawny and Snape... *shudders* Honestly though, can anyone actually pair Snape up with anyone. I mean honestly... It's weird no matter who he's paired up with.

BTW, I just thought I'd say that I was re-reading PoA and have found a renewed love for R/Hr Shipping, and I am on pins and needles about the third movie already, LOL... I know it's a little premature. Though, for the sake of sanity, I don't hink I'll post up my newest reasoning for R/Hr shipping.

As for Snape kissing Florence behind the greenhouse... :wow:... I don't think that was him... Nope, now that I've read it, it doesn't really say who Florence was kissing behind the greenhouse, unless my copy of GoF is wrong.

And RichTexan14, should you ever want to read a fic, just send me a private message.

Oh... maybe I should read it again... But if it's true... Err...

Wow.

Haha, thanks for the compliments you guys!
As for the Snape/Bertha incident (EW-age there), it never mentions Snape as the boy behind the greenhouse (thank you sweet mother of Andrew Jackson)but it's an image right after the pensieve scene of Snape. It goes (GoF, The Pensieve, p.598 American Hardback):
"Frowning slightly, he prodded the thoughts within the basin with the tip of his wand. Instantly, a figure rose out of it, a plump, scowling girl of about sixteen, who began to revolve slowly, with her feet still in the basin. She took no notice whatsoever of Harry or Professor Dumbledore. When she spoke, her voice echoed as Snape's had done, as though it were coming from the depths of a stone basin. "He put a hex on me, Professor Dumbledore, and I was only teasing him, sir,I only said I'd seen him kissing Florence behind the greenhouses last Thursday..."

So it never mentions it was Snape, god forbid. As for who he falls in love with, I'm betting it has to do with Lily Potter, and if it is, that'll probably have to do with her big revelation in Book 7.

Aahh.... thanks PineFresh!

Snape and Lily... that's hella twist...

Snape and Lily!? Thats almost like Draco and Herimone!!

ARGH!!

*Brain Explodes*

Lani, poke: He's done folks!!!

It's like Ginny and Draco... *falls over from shock and disgust* :stuckin: I think I'm gonna be sick... *shudders and passes out*

Hehehe... imagine if it's true... I mean, Snape likes Lily..

Errr I think you mean likeD Lily, shes no longer with us :D

Oops! hehehe

Hey, a bunch of us have posted that one ;) Me, included!! It's Not such an unpopular twist!! Remember, he was young once!!
And for all the reasons given a bunch of times before, I think it makes tremendous sense....

He might of been young but he was still Snape :)

Slimy kid.... I mean, Snape.

I dont think I can picture a young Snape in love... or any Snape in love for that matter...

i totally agree, i'm against Snape falling in love

Since you've mentioned that.... Err... I agreed with you.

Everyone deserves to find love. That includes Snape!
Edit - as long as they don't all reproduce. Some people ought not to have children. Especially the Goyle's and Crabbes of the world.

Oh shut up, Weatherby.

No offend, but I love that quote. he he he

lol...can't stand having another Snape can we?

well, Snape with a former-Slytherin, but that's the limit

Imagine having Snape Jr..... that should bring nightmares to the new generation of Hogwarts students...

*sticks nose in air like all Weatherbys do*

I don't mind if Snape reproduces but Fuchsia did say she didn't want kids. I doubt she's changing her mind now.

*rotflmao*

Really, Fuschia?

I'm her twin. I'd know.
Everyone knows she has her eye on that greasy-haired Snape. Perhaps if he wanted kids he'd talk her into it..this is the girl who said Orlando Bloom could talk her into extreme sports.

I think little Flitwick has a love life the students don't know about.

Well.... everyone need a love life.

Charms professer.. charming.. haha.
He sounds sweet. He likes cherry cola.. I like cherry cola! (Sorry.. too much Seinfeld..)

Yes they all deserve a love life except for Malfoy. He's too manipulative. He's going to break some foolish girl's heart. she'll think "I can be the one to change him!" and she cries on her friends shoulder every Monday before going back to him.
(If it's Pansy she doesn't get my sympathy vote)

lol...Draco will fall in love with someone with the same capacity of snobby-ness and manipulative-ness.

Maybe. Maybe not.
Those Ravenclaw girls seem to date the most.. Draco might dump Pansy for a prettier girl.

I feel sorry for the best friend of potentional girlfriends of Draco's.
*sobs because Draco didn't compliment her spell*
"you can do better than him!"
"You don't like him do you?" *glares and stomps off*

Originally posted by Ash_Key
Well.... everyone need a love life.

But not everyone will find love, its very elusive for some...

Off topic: Lani, where did you get those fab pics for your sig?? I'm jealous!!

Originally Posted by Weatherby
... this is the girl who said Orlando Bloom could talk her into extreme sports.

*Sigh*... can you blame her. I'd take a blast-ended skrewt for a walk in muggle London if he asked me to. :o (If they were real, of course...)

I admit though, everyone does need love, and I think every finds someone to love, but not every finds someone to love them in return. This might be Snape's case.

And I just got done reading several HP fics, and I've noticed a lot of people hint towards Hannah Abbott, the Hufflepuff, and Neville Longbottom. Now, I find it absolutely adorable... he deserves a sweet Hufflepuff girl, don't you agree?

Originally posted by Ash_Key
Off topic: Lani, where did you get those fab pics for your sig?? I'm jealous!!

Some of them are my friends, some (very few) are mine, they are out there floating around :D

Originally posted by Weatherby
I'd do anything Bloom asked me too just about.

Yes Neville deserves a sweet girl to love him. Sadly Malfoy will probably get more dates because most people (real or fake) are shallow.

Everyone wants to date a bad boy. Thats why I'll always be alone...

Oh, don't be so down Lani... not every girl wants a bad boy, just a large majority. And Draco has got the bad boy appeal... though I don't think most if any of the girls at Hogwarts likes Draco. He's just plain horrible... there's a difference between a bad boy, and someone loathsome. Draco has crossed that line...

Now Bill Weasley... he definitely sounds like the bad boy all the girls wanted while he was at Hogwarts. And probably outside of school as well...

And I am proud to annonce I have adopted a new shipping. Neville and a sweet Hufflepuff girl... preferably Hannah... okay Neville and Hannah. It seems more and more sweet everytime I think about it...

And Bloom's not a bad boy... he's an elf... there's a difference! :lol: Just kidding...

Originally posted by lanifiel
Everyone wants to date a bad boy. Thats why I'll always be alone...

lanifiel, you couldn't be an angel if your life depended on it, you are bad to the bone and that's why we love you. So don't be afraid to let it show, your true colours, true colours, shining through, like a rainbow! n Also, lanifiel, Legolas Greenleaf is the non-bad boy of LotR and the ladies (and a few gents) swoon over him as if their lives depended on it.

I guess the forbidden fruit is always sweeter when it comes to the bad boy type. I mean, if Eminem had picture of bunnies on his walls and did 'Save the Whales' campaigns all day and night, would people still love/hate his music so much? Or what about Tolkien's Aragorn? If he got up every morning and brushed his teeth and hugged his Evenstar every waking moment of the day instead of being a bad boy who saves hobbits and does some major fatal fighting, would we still love/hate him?

Thanks guys. Oh and Justin, I'm a good person... arnt I? :D

Originally posted by Justin
I mean, if Eminem had picture of bunnies on his walls and did 'Save the Whales' campaigns all day and night, would people still love/hate his music so much?


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I have tears in my eyes... that was too hilarious :rotfl:

lol...

well, i can't imagine Snape with a new love...it's a very disturbing image, i can imagine Draco, but not Snape...it's wayyy too scary. Well, at least someone who used to be from Slytherin, or someone evil, but not anybody else.

See I think its just that I dont want to imagine Snape and Draco with anyone, I dont think they deserve it :D

They don't, but if they DO get with anyone, it'll be Millicent Bulstrode(the big fat strong slythering girl with an unbearable) and Mrs.Norris.

Maybe the reason that Snape hates Harry and James so much is because Snape liked Lily and when she was snatched up, he grew some horns on his head. We know that Snape has some good in him, hell he turned against Voldemort for some reason. That fact is not to be taken lightly.

I bet Snape was once a decent person. In fact, I'm sure he's a decent person once he gets through most of his issues :D

Everyone, no matter who, deserves to be loved! They have just as much right as anyone else to be loved or to be in love with someone.

But SNAPE...I can't picture it...eww...*dies of laughter picturing snape with a goofy look on his face, chasing after someone with a bouquet of roses and a box of chocolates*

I bet that he loved Lily, and he hates James because something happened and Lily chose James.

on a seperate note: It seems to me that while in Hogwarts Snape was really strict with the rules like he is now, so why then would he become a Deatheater? Could he have possibly been a spy the whole time?

I think the Snape/Lily thing is a very possible outcome. Does it say anywhere that Snape is in fact single? I mean maybe it's a secret that hasn't been shown yet.

I had some theroies around and I want to add some stuff. Lets say... Harry does get with Hermione. This could anger two red-headed people, yes Ron and Ginny. What I could see, at least from Ron is that he'd want to get back at Harry. He could find someone to possibly make Harry jealous. I don't know how, but Cho Chang (yes I'm quite sure of this not happening, but everythings a possiblity). Ginny could find a "back-door" into Draco's heart. Very evil indeed, but could produce some interesting outcomes. I don't know why I just don't want Ron to end up with Hermione. I just don't think it'd be any good. I would like Harry to end up with Hermione, or if not her, Cho.

Do you think Bill or Charlie will find love in the series.

Originally posted by lanifiel
See I think its just that I dont want to imagine Snape and Draco with anyone, I dont think they deserve it :D

Magic might not be real but Rowling writes humans very realistically so we can expect Draco to date.
He's a horrid monster but look at how many people on these forums keep saying he was abused and really a good person?
Someone will do it in the books.

Snape deserves love!
He made some mistakes but he's turning his life around.
He has a lot of growing up to do and he should drop those old grudges but.. he'll make a great boyfriend to someone in the series.
We just might not get to read about it.
But Rowling and Rickman probably know all about it. We have to pester them for details.

DarlingChild, I wouldn't mind seeing Snape running with candy and flowers. but he has a lot going for him to impress the chicks without those material things.

He can brew up a love potion if all else fails.

I do not know, Snape seems to me one a stoic type of person. I believe that this is especially true since his return from the dark side. He may think, along with others, that he being someone at one time so horrid, does not deserve something as pure as true love.
I brings to mind several though provoking questions such as:
Did Snape leave the Death Eaters before or after the fall of Voldemort?
Did Snape actually kill anyone, or what was his job as a death eater?

Liars Prosper.
-anonymous

All joking and personal feelings aside, I dont think we really know enough about Snape to truely judge what he is and what he's capable of...

*sigh* Though the idea freaks me out as well, I do feel that Snape and yes... even Draco deserves love. All people do. And I wouldn't take the idea of Ginny finding a 'back door' to Draco's heart so lightly. It seems highly likely, plus it would be one interesting way of heating up the Feud between the Malfoy's and the Weasley's. As for Snape and Lily... I wouldn't be surprised by that scenario at all, so I thinks it's highly probable.

What do we know about Snape?
We know that he once at one point (at least) a dark wizard. We know that he came to Hogwarts knowing more about Dark magic than most of the Seventh years.
We also know that he hates Harry. Why? Was it because that he defeated his master, for who Snape may still hold some sympathies? If it because the assinine idea the He and Lilly were together back in the day? Is it because he hates celebrities (or just anyone who reminds him of his archrival James)?
I agree Lanifiel, we have many unanswered questions, but I do not believe that we are too far from the answers.
Oh say, June 31, 2003, sound good?

"The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face."
-Jack Handy

It does say in the 4th book when Harry was looking onto the Penseive, that Snape had turned against Voldemort, to become spy for DD, about 1 year before he died...Which is ?coincidentally? when Harry was born.

Yes, he deserves love. He's turned around, and has spent 16+ Years taking risk of horrible torture and death at first, then being scorned, in reparation. Despite the scorn & mistrust, and yes, his nasty spitefulness, he still tries to to do the right thing. Love would make him a better, much more mellow person. No play makes for a rather tense person.

Lanifiel, my son complains about the same thing...It's Not true!! And, anyway...I agree with the other person who said it in a previous post...Sorry, you're no angel!! <jk> Take a community, metro parks, or adult ed. class; something like tai chi, hiking, skydiving, art like mixed media, painting, clay, photography, jewelry making...... There's lots of different fun stuff to do!!! And lots of decent young women in those. Better than you'll find at the bars, anyday! (my daughter found her husband skydiving ;) and he's a very Nice person, so I'm quite happy. Son has met someone that way, too, watching it unfold...) ;)

this is the girl who said Orlando Bloom could talk her into extreme sports.



I would take up hydrochloric acid diving for Orlando Bloom.

:-D

Or what about Tolkien's Aragorn? If he got up every morning and brushed his teeth and hugged his Evenstar every waking moment of the day instead of being a bad boy who saves hobbits and does some major fatal fighting, would we still love/hate him?


Yes, because he would still be sexy as Orlando Bloom on a hot day wearing a wife-beater while the sun shone on his dark black, incredibly sexy hair, and--okay, okay, I'll stop. ::sigh:: I swear I want 75% of the male cast of LoTR to ::pounce:: on me.

Enough of the off-topicness for me!

Originally posted by lanifiel
All joking and personal feelings aside, I dont think we really know enough about Snape to truely judge what he is and what he's capable of...

True that. Perhaps a few sessions of 'Evil Teachers Anonymous' would bring out the 'inner-Snape' who is indeed caring and kind and sensitive.

:D

Or at least get him to stop turning his blind dates into Chocolate Frogs :smile:

(from last page) Ame: "And Draco has got the bad boy appeal..."

draco doesn't have "bad boy" appeal. the closest thing he's got is "snot-nosed little brat" appeal. him and pansy deserve each other. hehe.
but lucius malfoy. that's an entirely different matter.. ::ogles jason isaacs::

snape would have so much more appeal if he just washed his hair! oh yeah. swishy cloak, hypnotic stare, and all.

Originally posted by Ladylighter
but lucius malfoy. that's an entirely different matter.. :: ogles jason isaacs::


Right... He's a totally different story. He's got that 'I'll tortue you, mutilate you, and kill you for being a mud-blood muggle loving :censored:' appeal. :rolleyes: Yes, much different. But hey, some people go for the 'murder you in your sleep' type. :lol: Look at Narcissa...

I'm just wondering about the Actor to Character views. I mean I can somewhat tell with some people, but... Are your views as to who you want to fall in love with who effected at all by who plays them on the big screen? I mean if there weren't any movies, do you think you would think the same thing or differently?

Originally posted by Ame
Right... He's a totally different story. He's got that 'I'll tortue you, mutilate you, and kill you for being a mud-blood muggle loving :censored:' appeal. :rolleyes: Yes, much different. But hey, some people go for the 'murder you in your sleep' type. :lol: Look at Narcissa... or my mom, for that matter :-D While I don't care much for the "My hair is as greasy as the weasel I am", I've seen Tom Felton without hair gel, it's quite unfortunate. I'd count my blessings :-D Ooo but the boy DOES have gorgeous eyes, oh yes he do. God! Have I posted an on-topic post in the past 24 hours? Lemme fix that.

As for Harry's love life, he's been bred by the Dursleys to hide his thoughts, he's been told they're trivial and nobody cares. It's been bred into him, so he's secretive by nature, and keeps things private for fear of being mocked for his feelings (by say, Malfoy. Or occasionally Ron.) He's obviously made his feelings known about Cho, but he hasn't been blatant about it. He's also gallant and respectful, he'd never do anything like take advantage of the fact that Cho's defenses are down (or on the other hand, she might have the defensive up to keep from getting hurt again) with the death of Cedric (though keep in mind that their relationship didn't really seem deep or anything, it wasn't even long-term, was it?). So I think Harry will be a gentleman about all of it, and maybe Cho will come to realize how truly uber-great Harry is (finally) and go out with him, or maybe she'll just keep ignoring his great attributes in light of totally non-superficial things such as, say looks, or popularity (though who's more popular at the school than Harry, save Dumbledore of course :D ) As for Hermione, Harry isn't used to having close best friends and all, so I don't think he'd be foolish to risk a friendship to move into territory he's even *less* experienced in:dating. Ron, on the other hand, does have the Weasley charm (save Percy, will any of them be single by age 20? I doubt it!) and he's a big plucky and would certainly like to beat out Harry by some respect. (Not that I'm disrespecting Hermione by that, you know what I mean) Besides, Ron hasn't gotten much action lately, not since the flying car and the CoS. Time to bring Ron back into the picture! Though it's a bit of a cliche to have the two best friends of the hero conveniently fall in love (or at least like) with each other. But oh well, I'm not complaining, I'm too much of a romantic! :love:

There. Now this post is relevant. :p

Originally posted by Kingdom Ops
I'm just wondering about the Actor to Character views. I mean I can somewhat tell with some people, but... Are your views as to who you want to fall in love with who effected at all by who plays them on the big screen? I mean if there weren't any movies, do you think you would think the same thing or differently?

Well, I know personally that my views on who I want to fall in love are based entirely on the books themselves. The movies I don't pay much heed to, seeing how the books are the authority in the end. They are just fun, seeing a book come to life. Though partially seeing how they cut a lot out. I was R/Hr fan well before the first movie came out, and still am. As for the actors playing these two characters, aside from the fact that I think they did a superb job matching the characters to the descriptions in the books (Ron, Hermione, and Harry are just as I pictured them. Ginny's not, though...) no other views of mine are effected.

I am a in agreement for the most part of Pinefresh's post, though I don't think that Ron and Hermione falling for each other is cliche. If anything, I think the lead girl and guy hooking up is cliche. But that has nothing to do with my support of R/Hr. Besides, with all the books that have been written trhoughout history, I think it'll be hard for any writer to avoid a cliche. ;)

Originally posted by Ame
I am a in agreement for the most part of Pinefresh's post, though I don't think that Ron and Hermione falling for each other is cliche. If anything, I think the lead girl and guy hooking up is cliche. But that has nothing to do with my support of R/Hr. Besides, with all the books that have been written trhoughout history, I think it'll be hard for any writer to avoid a cliche. ;)

yeah! it's total cliche for the lead guy and girl to come together. and i think that Ron, the side-kick where Harry's fame rubs off, deserves Hermione...well, not exactly derserves...

yes, he deserves her (Ron), but he is so closed minded to the reality sometimes.....I think he still needs to grow up to catch up with Hermione......

Talking about people who deserves or not.....Even though Voldemort evidently doesn't deserve love..Do you think he could love someone out there???? or maybe he did when he was at Hogwarts (he was handsome..intelligent) and that person is still around because hey couldn't get together...huh???:'(

I wouldn't be surprised if at one point there was someone he (Voldemort) loved, or carried deeply about. He was human at one point, now... now... I don't know what he is. But that time has came and went, and now there is nothing but hatred and darkness in his heart... no more room for love there.

You guys are forgetting...Hermione is not a consolation prize! She is NOT something to be won!

Hermione will date whoever she wants to...it makes no difference who deserves her, or who would look best with her. Imagine how Hermione would feel if she read this thread!! :D

Wait you mean women arnt prizes to be won by competing men? Man, no wonder I'm single :D

Hmm lani, yea that could be your problem.

:D

It's gonna be Harry/Hermione and Ron'll stay single. Why? Well, in the 4th book, Ron was all jealous because Harry had everything and he didn't. Ron likes Hermione, right? So, if Harry and Hermione get together, imagine how Ron'll feel. He might even join the dark side or something. :elaugh:

Yes, that is a good reason for Harry and Hermione! Let us all leave Ron behind!
I do believe that H/H will get together, perhaps it is cliche, but I guess that is just the romantic thing. I can also see Ron/Hermione, there is foreshadowing in the text to that, but as far I've seen very little of R/H shippers use it. They just disagree because Hermione/Harry is cliche, and Jk likes surprises. It's all circular reasoning to tell the truth.

Liars Prosper.
-anonymous

Did Snape leave the Death Eaters before or after the fall of Voldemort?

GoF, The Pensieve, p. 591 (American Hardcover Edition:
"Snape!" he [Karkaroff] shouted. "Severus Snape!"
"Snape has been cleared by this council," said Crouch disdainfully. "He has been vouched for by Albus Dumbledore."
"No!" shouted Karkaroff, straining at the chains that bound him to the chair. "I assure you! Severus Snape is a Death Eater!"
Dumbledore had gotten to his feet.
"I have given evidence already on this matter," he said calmly. "Severus Snape was indeed a Death Eater. However, he rejoined our side before Lord Voldemort's downfall and turned spy for us, at great personal risk. He is now no more a Death Eater than I am."

And on p. 604, American Hardback Edition:
"What made you think he'd really stopped supporting Voldemort, Professor?"

Dumbledore held Harry's gaze for a few seconds, and then said, "That, Harry, is a matter between Professor Snape and myself."

Haha, at this point I'm like a walking resource. I've memorized all the books practically, so I like looking up stuff :D

Thank You Pine Fresh, I believe that clears up that matter for now. But there are still unanswered questions about Snape's past, that only JKR or Dumbledore can clear up. As I sit here patiently waiting.

Liars Prosper.
-anonymous

hmm, lani i've seen to have that same problem myself.. wait does rock/paper/scissors count as competeing? :D

Prehaps Voldemort loved Lily Evans/Potter. Then he went all evil and stuff and that could possibly explain why he killed them.

Originally posted by Oddfellow
Yes, that is a good reason for Harry and Hermione! Let us all leave Ron behind!
I do believe that H/H will get together, perhaps it is cliche, but I guess that is just the romantic thing. I can also see Ron/Hermione, there is foreshadowing in the text to that, but as far I've seen very little of R/H shippers use it. They just disagree because Hermione/Harry is cliche, and Jk likes surprises. It's all circular reasoning to tell the truth.

:huh: I am a R/Hr and I'm slightly offended by that. Not all of us base our shipping on the idea of H/Hr being cliche and JKR liking suprises. :grumble:

I agree, there's lots of foreshadowing and just plain social behavioral cues....and most of them've been written out at length multiple times, so we just don't bother writing half or full page specifics *yet again*...they're in the previous posts, so read 'em! There comes a point when it just gets boring beating dead horses.

Okay I will admit that in all fairness most of the R/Hr shippers do use textual support. I mean honestly I've read "look how mad Ron got when she went with Krum" and "why would she say next time ask me first and not as a last resort" so much, I almost can't stand to read these scenes in the book anymore.:) Kidding.

However, I do understand some of what Oddfellow is saying. Yes a number of you'll use a few textual support but a number of you almost always say "besides the hero gets the girl is so cliche". I mean no offense Ame but you were the one who actually used the word 'tacky ' to describe a possible H/Hr pairing. A number of you also love to say Harry gets everything so Ron should have Hermione. I mean I've said Hermione isn't a consolation prize so many times I'm sick of seeing myself type it.

Okay this isn't to attack anyone and I hope anyone doesn't take this too personally. It's just that someone made a comment awhile back that the only real reason people seem to think H/Hr won't happen is because they've convinced themselves that Hr/R is a sure thing. However I think if some people would be open-minded and consider a number of posts and opinions here they would realize that none of these couples are sure things.

I'm trying to work out what your point was :D

I did not say all R/Hr shippers say it is all cliche, there is good argument. All I am saying is that, by "attacking" a fellow Harry/Hermione shipper, is that I am tired of empty statements. I have heard it stated before that Harry/ Hermione will happen so that Ron can become a Dark Wizard. Yes this is a place for theories but this is completely unsupported by any fact. I have read ALL of the posts, and I did not mean to offend anyone. Ame, I have read you posts and I appreciate you use of facts as well as you intriguing opinions. Others have also used facts. I appreciate them as well.
Xikum, you argue with the best of them. I have no quarrels with either one of you.
Thank you Lleyki for helping me clarify.
But, I do not believe that the horse is truly dead. Not until JKR pairs Ron or Harry with Hermione (or Hermione with someone otherwise).
"I'm sorry if that offended anyone."
-Charles Manson

Originally posted by DarlingChild
True that. Perhaps a few sessions of 'Evil Teachers Anonymous' would bring out the 'inner-Snape' who is indeed caring and kind and sensitive.

"Hello, my name is Severus, and I'm an evil teacher. Of course, I used to be an evil Death Eater, so I guess I'm making progress..."

:clappy: Let's hear it for him, everybody!:clappy:

Some of it is not empty...

You know..Hermione's kiss...and Harry noticing that it was the first time...
Harry is always thinking what Hermione will think or say...
Harry noticing that she was pretty in the Ball..his jaw dropped...
Harry was kind of proud that Krum thought that he was a competition for Hermione....
and the thing with Hermione's feelings
Although some people deny it, she shows more interest for Harry..she spent until 3 am teaching him how to do a summoning charm..and she is always concern....
Besides, (people also deny this but) when Ron fought with Harry in GoF, she spent most of the time with Harry.....It was all like "Harry and Hermione went for brakfast" and all that stuff.....ok, it was Harry's point of view in those moments...but also, in the classes, she could have sat with ron too, but she didn't..when she was hit by malfoy's curse (because harry cursed Malfoy), she could have been with Ron, but she was by the door with Harry....
And people said that she was jealous of Flleur, but actually, she disliked Fleur since the first day when Fleur laughed during Dumbledore's speech....

So, no all is unfounded you know...you can have proof of what Ron or anyone else feels, but there is as many proof for Harry/ermione as for Ron/Hermione.....none.....everything could change and we don't know for sure...:smooch:

Lanifiel this is the second time you've responded to a post of mine like this. Are you trying to be funny, sarcastic or cute; because either way it's failed. Now, don't get me wrong I'm not mad; rather slightly irritated, because if the goal is to be annoying, you're accomplishing it. Do me a favour, in future either respond to my posts with an intelligent response to whatever particular point I've made or not at all. Once again I never make personal statements or attacks to anyone and I'd simply appreciate the same courtesy by everyone.
Btw, you're welcome Oddfellow.:)

You know that wasn't very nice thing to say out on a public forums? I agree that some people can be inconsiderate from time to time but you have to realise that some people are just like that. You shouldn't be annoyed with that post, I bet he put in less time than 1 second when writing that reply and I doubt he meant it the way you are interpreting it.

Anyways I have no idea what my point is but, I love reading your posts and wanted to tell you that.

Originally posted by lleyki
Lanifiel this is the second time you've responded to a post of mine like this. Are you trying to be funny, sarcastic or cute; because either way it's failed. Now, don't get me wrong I'm not mad; rather slightly irritated, because if the goal is to be annoying, you're accomplishing it. Do me a favour, in future either respond to my posts with an intelligent response to whatever particular point I've made or not at all. Once again I never make personal statements or attacks to anyone and I'd simply appreciate the same courtesy by everyone.
Btw, you're welcome Oddfellow.:)

I don't think you want her as your enemy SeniorFishy!

oddfellow

Thanks. Honestly I'm not really mad like I said I was just slightly irritated because the thing I hate the most is when people here make personal statements. I know that's ironic considering what I just posted:) but I really need to get it off my chest and I feel loads better. My feeling is everyone should just stick to topic. Someone makes a point if you're not going to agree or disagree with your own facts; then simply don't say anything. I'm glad you like my posts, the feeling's mutual. Don't worry I'm not upset by anything you said. It was coming from a good place. Honestly Oddfellow I'm not that bad to get upset at Senior for just trying to help.:)

Hey Hey Hey! Settle down kids! No need to get your tempers up, it's only a Harry Potter thread, for goodness sakes! How about we just come to a mutual non-understandment, and forsake the off-topicness? I'm sure nobody here really meant to hurt anyone's feelings, the statements of posters can be misconstrued on the Internet, it's hard to tell if someone's being sarcastic or not. Let's not dwell on it.

Back to the subject!

:lol: For a girl who said I'm not that obsessive about the romantic aspects of the novels in her first post on the boards you certainly seem to get into your posting. I didn't understand what you meant by your post, that's it. Relax. Oh & one more thing, wheres this other time I responded poorly to one of your comments?

Anyway, for whatever imagined slights (because I'm pretty positive they were imagined), I do apoligise.

i sorta hope something develops between harry and hermonie. maybe ron will be jealous and go after cho? haha ya neva noe!

Originally posted by felicity
i sorta hope something develops between harry and hermonie. maybe ron will be jealous and go after cho? haha ya neva noe!

that would break Ron and Harry's friendship!! i hope that doesn't happen.

The things is that many things are developing at the same time between couples (any one),the question is what clues is she going to take and use it as a relationship..we actually have nothing except for the fact that Ron likes Hermione, Ginny likes Harry, and Harry likes Cho..that's it....many things could turn out differently....:smooch:

Originally posted by go_anna40
that would break Ron and Harry's friendship!! i hope that doesn't happen.

That's exactly what JK wants to do! Hermione in Greek mythology was loved by two men.

If Ron and Harry's friendship was destroyed, that would contribute to the darker plotlines of the future books.

i dont like ginny. why? she's a whiner! yeah she's nice and everything but she's not really perfect for harry.
i LOVE hermione. i adore her. she's smart, pretty, definitely nice and super loyal. she's the perfect harry-potter-girlfriend. but a harry-hermione relationship might ruin harry and ron's friendship (and i REALLY don't like it) as ron obviously likes hermione. he's just being his usual prat self.
ginny maybe ok for harry. we might not know, she'll be far better than hermione but as of now, i still don't like her as much as i like hermione. but ginny is the second best girl for harry.
cho-duh. she's cedric's point-blank. yeah she's great but i like the other two girls better(even ginny).
but if it's gonna be harry-cho..
love sucks.
i rest my case.

I think all this relationship stuff is always a problem. Why don't Harry and Ron just don't give a dam* about that until they grow and care about Voldemort at the moment. Even in times like these, it becomes a big problem, even bigger than the Ron jealous of Harry thingy for not being as famous as him. I honestly don't believe they will go into any relatonships, especially with Hermione since she's such a close friend.

Does anyone know how to change their profile here. I changed mine and asked to not be informed through e-mail whenever someone posts here, but I'm still getting them. It's filling up my mail-box. So, if anyone or a moderator can help, I'd appreciate it. Sorry for interrupting you'll conversation but this place has the most visitors so I figure someone might know what to do.

You should really post this in the feedback area lleyki. They will help you the best, but I will try to help!

First go to your User Area, by clicking the button at the top. This will bring you to a page. Click edit option. This here will have a list of what you want to set. Scroll down until you come under the heading, Messaging & Notification. Look down 3 points and you will fine "Use 'Email Notification' by default?". Select NO, and this should solve your problem!!!
Also, anothing thing I better add, is that, when you reply to a thread, you probably selected Email Notification. If you did, I am not sure this if you can get rid of it. The only way is to contact a mod to delete you off the list of Email Notification, which means again you should have post this in the feedback area since the people who knows about that stuff will go there and check!!

I hope that I have help you in one way or another!!!

No there's another way! When you click on 'user cp' the first page you should come to is the list of threads that you're subscribed to. There should be a link around the thread title in your user cp that says 'unsubscribe.' Just click on that and you should be on your way!

Okay thanks alot you guys.:)

No problem! Hope I helped :D

Since everyone thinks Hermione will become the girlfriend of Harry or Ron, I don't put it past JKR to surprise us and not pair her with either one.

But I do picture Harry as a loner even though he has great friends. So, I think or hope, Ron and Hermione. Harry, probally no one.

Dracofan, I totally agree!

ok i think that cho likes harry a little bit, because she probably would have said yes to harry when he asked her to the yule ball, but she was goin with cedric, and now cedric's dead, so harry has a chance. but when ever they talk both got red in the face- remember? i really do think that cho likes harry for some reason, i know it would sound so perfect for harry but it's sorta unsuspected, cuz everyone thinks that his liking her is based on looks. i don't.

*hehehe*

Of course! You sure don't to go out with a troll, do you?

Hey, it's Ron's idea!

Originally posted by Padfoot127
ok i think that cho likes harry a little bit, because she probably would have said yes to harry when he asked her to the yule ball, but she was goin with cedric, and now cedric's dead, so harry has a chance. but when ever they talk both got red in the face- remember? i really do think that cho likes harry for some reason, i know it would sound so perfect for harry but it's sorta unsuspected, cuz everyone thinks that his liking her is based on looks. i don't.

Thats reqally gud points...but I dunno Harry dosent no enuff about Cho he dosent no her back ground anything....

Originally posted by Padfoot127
ok i think that cho likes harry a little bit, because she probably would have said yes to harry when he asked her to the yule ball, but she was goin with cedric, and now cedric's dead, so harry has a chance. but when ever they talk both got red in the face- remember?
I always just thought she was embarresed that he asked her. I mean, she is older than him and he's Harry Potter! (Also, she might be a little reserved, so Harry's question really caught her off guard and embarresed her.) After all, she could have started going out with Harry after the Yule Ball if she had been interested in him.

I think she has a lot of respect for Harry, but would never concider dating him.

There's a possibiliy she did like him, but gthe yule ball was so ramantic with Cedric, that she went after him ,and she couldn't just dump him for Harry could she. I think she's a good and kind person.

Yes, Cho is a kind and good person. However, even though I'm all for a Harry/Cho thing, it would seem that Harry will always play second string to the memory of Cedric, Cho needs time to get over his death and that wont happen in this book, I think we might find that Harry will offer Cho love and understanding in a friendship manner that will eventully cultivate to a mutal loving relationship between them...

Maybe, Cho was just mentioned in book 3 and she became quite a big part in book 4. She might even be the person who dies, if Harry's get close to her, Voldemort would want to kill all of Harry's loved ones and he might kill Cho.

Originally posted by apples
I always just thought she was embarresed that he asked her. I mean, she is older than him and he's Harry Potter! (Also, she might be a little reserved, so Harry's question really caught her off guard and embarresed her.) After all, she could have started going out with Harry after the Yule Ball if she had been interested in him.

I think she has a lot of respect for Harry, but would never concider dating him.

Great points! I agree....couldn't have said it better!

could be...but i always thought Cho liked Harry a bit. I'm all for a Cho/Harry relationship. Maybe they become friends in no5, but develops further in the future books- that's just if she doesn't die...

I hope Cho Chang dies. And I hope she doesn't come back as a ghost. If she lives, the book will be boring again (unless Ron or Hermione dies). Of course Cho is grieving over her losses, and when she's done with her whining, she'll go find some other popular guy to hang out with. All she cares about is her image. She's evil. And even if they did fall in love, Harry would be forced to live in constant fear that Voldemort will kill her. Harry can't love any girl. One, his fear would stop being Dementors, and two, they'd always be in danger. He'd be fighting against a nervouse breakdown. There's no way he could duel with Voldemort in that condition. And Cho would grow out of Harry, and soon Harry would lose interest in her. She's more like his baby sitter than his girlfriend.

Originally posted by Master Dragonfly
I hope Cho Chang dies. And I hope she doesn't come back as a ghost. If she lives, the book will be boring again (unless Ron or Hermione dies). Of course Cho is grieving over her losses, and when she's done with her whining, she'll go find some other popular guy to hang out with. All she cares about is her image. She's evil. She's more like his baby sitter than his girlfriend.

are you so sure? we don't know enough about her to make such an assumption...

I agree Anna, theres not enough information out there to make that call. But of course, you are welcome to your opinion Master Dragonfly.

Originally Posted by lleyki
I mean no offense Ame but you were the one who actually used the word 'tacky ' to describe a possible H/Hr pairing.

:sigh: Let me state for the record, I have not once called H/Hr pairing tacky. I know... I read every post I made in this thread just to be sure. So, unless I missed a post of mine... you have me mistaken. And if I am mistaken, than I sincerely apologize.

As for Cho and Harry. I seriously doubt it. I always have. If this does happen it will surely be a surprise.

I too was under the impression that Cho was slightly embrassed as well, when Harry asked her to the Ball. Maybe even a little flattered. But I don't think she likes him. I am, though, open to a friendship growing between the two. Maybe Cedric will bring a mutual ground for a friendship to grow. But I get the impression that Cho is not what Harry hopes she will be. I mean yeah, she'll be nice and kind, but they may grow as friends and he'll see she's not the girl for him.

I hate to say it, but it seems as though Harry will end up alone, at least for the time being. :( Oh, poor Harry.

And Lani... I want to say I L-O-V-E love your pic in your sig!

Thanks Ame :D

The way I see it, the evidence is that's the way girls are. Who knows, maybe she did like Cedric for he is. But I doubt it. Because that's not the way the female mind works. They care about who's cute, not who can beat Spyro 3 with his eyes closed, one hand tied behind his back and so on...Usually the girl you liked because she was pretty doesn't like you, because she's whiny and doesn't want to ruin her image or something. The first thing that Harry noticed about Cho Chang was that she was extremeley pretty. Which she wasn't, but he's entitled to his own opinion. She was lazy and arrogant in that Quidditch match. She thought she could just tag along behind Harry and catch the snitch before him anyway. That can say quite a bit about her personality. Usually arrogant girls are evil. Well, not evil, but snotty and up-nosed, and most of the time downright annoying. "Oh, I'm sorry, but I can't go out with you, everyone knows you're-the-nerd-with-the-big-round-glasses and besides, I've got to run and fix my hair for my date with the-most-popular-guy-in-school!" <---that's an example of Cho Chang, ina way. No she didn't say that, but i'ts like what she did. What did Cedric have that Harry didn't? Witch Weekly's most charming smile award? I know Cho Chang didn't want to show up at the ball with Harry, because she'd look like a geek, showing up with a midget in glasses. On the other hand, if she showed up with, handsome, pretty boy Diggory who doesn't have enough brains to fill an eggcup, she'd look like a *ahem*babe (excuse my language). But nobody sees what I'm saying, right? Nobody else has been pushed around for being the "Weird guy," right? I't annoying and stupid. People treat you different because you like different things than other people. Because real sports bore you and you'd rather be playing Quidditch or Blitzball. Or thinking humans are idiots just because in a sense, they created evil, and continue to destroy everything they touch. Or because you don't want any kids, they'd ruin life. It's already ruined anyway. Yes, I've seen some real Cho Changs in my life...pretty, yes, maybe beautiful on the outside... but evil on the inside...

Excuse my poetry. ;)

Originally posted by Master Dragonfly
The way I see it, the evidence is that's the way girls are. Who knows, maybe she did like Cedric for he is. But I doubt it. Because that's not the way the female mind works. They care about who's cute, not who can beat Spyro 3 with his eyes closed, one hand tied behind his back and so on...

ahem...not all girls are like that...


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Master Dragonfly
She was lazy and arrogant in that Quidditch match. She thought she could just tag along behind Harry and catch the snitch before him anyway. That can say quite a bit about her personality.

I thought that was a tactic, you know...throw off the opponent- i think it's acutally quite clever.


not all pretty girls are evil...seriously...well, just my opinion...

Oh, I love coupling-ideas :rotfl:
I think Harry and Ginny would be great.. sure, at the moent she's to childish and nothing more than Ron's younger sister.. but one September 1st she'll come to school and be totally changed. She'll be pretty and grown up.. and Harry will realize, he realy likes her..
( :D don't look at me like that, It's only my opinion.. ;D )
And Ron and Hermione.. that's sure since the first part.. It perfectly fits.
http://www.beepworld2.de/memberdateien/members26/episoden-guide/ronhermine.jpg http://www.beepworld2.de/memberdateien/members26/episoden-guide/harryginny.jpg

I think if Cho and Harry were to become a couple JKR would have spent more time on her character in the books. Because she didn't I don't think there will be a Harry and Cho pairing.

I like the idea of a Ron and Hermione pairing but I agree with those who found items in the books to suggest a Harry and Hermione pairing.

But personally, I think Harry will remain a loner.

Gee, Master Dragonfly doesn't like Cho Chang does he?! :D

I still think she might give him at least one date (won't go into that theory, I've already posted it like 45028739486 times)...maybe they'll become friends, at the very least. Who knows?

i like that picture of the mauraders too! that's soooo cool! do you think he'd mind if i print it out and put it up in my locker?

i actually think that malfoy might fall for ginny- it's an unexpected twist that JK might put it. plus she said that ginny will play a bigger role, so maybe malfoy likes her cuz of the junk she did in chamber of secrets.

i agree with dracofan that harry will be a loner because i did harry's name in arithmancy and it came out that he show imbalance(indicating change and uncertainty), draw too many things in but commit to none, is adventurous, energetic, and willing to take risks, enjoy travel, meeting people, doesn't stay in one place for long times, can be conceited, irresponsible, quick tempered, impatient; dedicates himself to the service of others(as teachers, scientists, humanitarians), strongly dertermined, work tirelessly, are inspirations to others, and arrogant and conceited when things don't go his way; indepentent, focused, single-minded, determined, set a goal and sticks to it, is a leader and inventor, finds it dufficult to work with others, doesn't like taking orders, can be self-centered, egotistical, and domineering, AND OFTEN LONERS.

Master Dragonfly, it's going to be okay *Pats him on the back* Not all girls are like that. I happen to think that Spyro 3 (among a large number of other video games...) is great. And if you can beat it with your eyes close more power to you. But then guys ignored me for being the weird girl who loved video games and anime and ignored make-up and hair. Figures... right?

I don't think Cho was being lazy in that Qudditch match. It just seems like a popular strategy used by most Seekers. I think it's rather a good idea, though not exactly the best. You can be easily lured into a trap, thinking your opponent found the snitch but didn't.

Harry alone, that sounds likely, though I'd feel horrible for him. But I just can't help feeling that way. But it might not be forever. Perhaps he'll want to do a bit of travelling after school, being locked up in the Dursley's House all his life, so he may not end up with anyone right away.

I do however see an oppurtunity for Harry and Cho to become friends. I don't think she's evil...

MasterDragonfly -- I'll be frank -- you need to work out your issues. If that is your opinion of women, you will never get one. Sorry. Not even a homely geeky one. I don't know how old you are, but the goofy nerdy guys usually grow up into something quite nice. Make sure you don't grow up bitter... 's all I'm saying. There are lots of girls out there, and they all go for different things. Don't let bitterness scare the good ones, who might be interested in you anyway. Also, if you have issues you can change (weight, grooming, etc.). Change them. Be more confident.

I don't think we know enough about Cho to judge her character. She was nice to Harry when he asked her to the ball. I don't think her quidditch technique was anything out of the ordinary -- especially for someone playing against a better player on better equipment. My problem with Harry/Cho is the weirdness involved with her being Cedric's girlfriend and Harry being involved in Cedric's death.

I absolutely agree with you Lizard, about the whole Cedric weirdness thing. Honestly before that happened I was all for the possibility of Harry/Cho. It wasn't something I ever thought would last long but just a nice, comfortable distraction for awhile for Harry. However, Cedric dropped dead(literally) and that kind of killed that idea for me.

It's not only the fact that she might still be mourning for Cedric, although that's one problem. It's also the fact that emotionally and psychologically Harry wouldn't be the best person to date after that kind of tragedy. I hope I can explain this properly. Whether or not Cho and Cedric were in love; dealing with any kind of death at that age of someone who was pretty young too is always traumatising. Now, it will only be a few months, cause they only get summer off; the last thing she would need is to get involved with someone who is in even more danger. Cedric's death was completely unexpected yet it happened. Harry's life on the other hand is definitely always threatned. Having gone through what she's just gone through; her paranoia would naturally be heightened, therefore the girl would spend more time scared and worried about Harry than anything else. Not a very satisfying relationship. What she needs now is someone who'll make her laugh, a relationship that isn't intense and very casual. I don't know that anything in Harry's life can't help but be intense.

Now honestly where is all this hatred for Cho coming from? Like someone said we don't know that much about her to decide she's vain, a ***** or whatever else some people have said. I mean what was she supposed to do about the dance? Judging by how long Harry took to ask, I'd say the dance was pretty close by then. What was she supposed to assume he'd ask her and wait around for him? Yes Cedric was handsome and popular, but he was also very nice and they had quidditch in common too; so why shouldn't she have told him yes. Harry waited too long and that was his fault. Cho seemed to feel really bad but it was just one of those things that happens. The quidditch thing; come on guys that seems to be really reaching here. Cho's broom was considerably slower than Harry's own lest we forget; if she searched for the snitch herself, the minute she'd see it and try to get it, Harry'd outrace her. Her best bet was to stay as close to him as possible and stop him from getting it. Honestly, Cho might not be the greatest girl in the world but she's not evil or anything. One thing that has always stuck out to me is the fact that when all her friends were giggling when Harry asked to speak to her, she wasn't. To me that always showed a sense of her maturity. I mean what do some people want; her whining and pining after Harry? I mean that's what we have Ginny for.

Speaking of Ginny. While I highly doubt it will happen; the whole she and Draco thing could be possible for one reason. Does anyone get the sense that the trio know very little of what's going in Ginny's life? Hermione probably knows the most. My point is the last time people didn't pay enough attention, she ended up opening the Chamber of Secrets, so who knows what she's up to these days. However, I think the fact that she still seemed affected by Harry asking Cho shows her heart still belongs to him.

Okay on a side note and absolutely off topic; I wanted to apologize to Lanifiel. Now this is big, because I hate saying I'm sorry. However, I completely misread and misunderstood your post and unfairly responded. I re-read what I said to you and it was pretty bad. That was unfair and I'm sorry. Also for the other people here; it was rude to bring something personal. So, I apologise. I should know alot better. Boy that's going to humble me for awhile. So that's it and I'm sorry.

Is there anyone else in the series that comes to mind for Harry besides Cho, Hermione, or Ginny. I mean, JKR could completly surprise us by putting him with someone else alltogether. Same for Ron, who else besides Hermione.

There is McGonnagall. I don't think anyone has suggested that one yet.
Oh Lucius Malfoy and Rita Skeeter(Mistress)!

Umpah Lumpah dittely DOO

Lucius and Rita!! OMG, :wow: That would be horrible. They'd be too much trouble together.

I have also considered other girls for Harry. There is Parvati for Harry. And Padma for Ron... but I don't think Padma would be too fond of Ron after the way he treated her at the Ball. Parvati didn't seem to thrilled about Harry either. Um... maybe a girl of a different house. Hannah Abbott... nah... besides I like the idea of her and Neville...

Anyone else got any ideas?

Fred or George will fall for Herimone!! think about it, its the oddest couple you could imagine!!!

:lol:

Felix and Oscar could take them anyday of the week. Excluding any magical contests.

Oddfellow

You know, I never considered Fred and George with a girl before. That would be interesting pitting brother against brother.

What about Susan Bones, do you think she could have a bigger role in the future.

Susan Bones... she's a girl in Hufflepuff right? Her parents were killed by a Voldie supporter... *shrugs* I don't see why she shouldn't have a bigger role. I enjoy learning about other students.

As for the twins. I am all for Fred and Angelina... there is lots of mentioning of those two in GoF. Well, not a lot but enough to come up with some idea. It's just George I'm not sure about. His date to the Yule Ball wasn't mentioned. I like to think it was either Alicia Spinnet or Katie Bell. But it could have been anyone...

Originally posted by LizardLaugh
-- I'll be frank --

Can I still be lanifiel?

:lol::elaugh::lol:

sorry couldnt resist

:lol: Really Lani... Was it that hard to resist... :lol:

Yeah, I think there will be a lot more coming with the Weasley twins.

Yeah, I hope there will be more of the twins to come. And though they will be graduating soon I hope they don't disappear entirely. I mean we never hear much of Bill or Charlie. GoF was the first time we saw quite a bit of them.

Like I said I like to think of piaring up the twins this way: Fred w/Angelina, George w/Katie, and Lee (I know he's just the best friend, but he is there accomplice in a way...) Lee w/ Alicia. But that's just me being my hopeless romantic self.

Fellows I have bad news and good news.
Bad...
Snape and Trelawney has decided that they are better off not together. They are both trying to find new mates and many believe that Trelawney will go with Flitwick, the two were seen dancing very closely during the Yule Ball.
Good...
I forgot.

"Assuming that my calculations are correct..." My First Year is Over!

Oddfellow

Well, congradulations Oddfellow. Welcome to the second year...

As for your news. Snape and Trewlawney not together... you mean to tell me that was a bad thing? And you would forget the good news, wouldn't ya? :lol:

Good News, Harry finds his perfect girl and they fall happily in love. Bad News, she becomes the target of Voldemorts revenge and Harry breaks all contact with her, as its safer that way... :'(

Such is the life of all heroes...

Aahh... Fred and Angelina... that should do. And lani, if Harry's gf will be kill by Voldemort... taht should break his heart badly, huh? Or maybe he'll find another girl... Who knows?

Originally posted by lanifiel
Fred or George will fall for Herimone!! think about it, its the oddest couple you could imagine!!!

:lol:

Gah! :wow: Now that would drive Ron to the Dark Side. (Or Angelina, if it's Fred. :p)

Originally posted by Rowena Ravenclaw
Gah! :wow: Now that would drive Ron to the Dark Side. (Or Angelina, if it's Fred. :p)

yes, it would indded.

Hmmm the twins fighting over a single female, that would be something to witness...

breaking up the twins!! and so the plot thickens...

bloody females ;)

I think it is a a small possibility that Draco and Hermionie could have a relationship. Number 1 at the Yule Ball he didn't have any insults to shout at her. In the GOF when the death eaters were doing their thing he told harry and Ron to keep her away. So as you can see if he does have feelings for her he hides them very well. Draco is probably a spoiled brat so all the teasing could be like your first grade crush when you tease them but you really like them. I think as Hermionie matures she will get very pretty and grow out if her bushy hair. I think she will see that Draco is a very sensetive person and will fall in love with him. If they do fall in love i think Draco's love for Hermionie will tear him from the darkside and he will help Harry deafet Voldermort.

*erg* I hope your wrong snaperules...

I agree with Lanifal! I would rather have Hermione end up with Neville(lol couldnt think of anyone else) then Draco!! Draco and Pansy would be more perfect cuz they are both cold hearted and mean!!

I personnally favor a DRaco and Hermione pairing, but I don't think JKR will do that, so I want Hermione with Ron.

A hermione/draco! I'd love that to happen but it probably won't so thats why i'm going for hermione and ron. But i'm open for any couple coz J.K will make it seem right. except maybe ron/scabbers or hermione/house elves, i read a couple of fanfics and it had those pairings. Is just wrong... [shudders]

Sweet, I agree totally.

You know we are spending so much time on their love storys that I bet the storyline in book 5 doesn't spend a lot of time on it. It will probally consist around a dance and Ron getting up the courage to ask Hermione.