How will Voldemort be defeated?

Has anyone any interesting theories about how Voldemort will, or even if he ever will be defeated?

I believe there should be other things that should contribute to his downfall. In the graveyard after the third task in GoF, he used Harry's blood, Wormtail's flesh, and his father's bone.

Harry's blood, maybe if Voldemort has Harry's blood in him he can't kill Harry. Dumbledore said at the end of PoA that Wormtail was in debt to Harry. Voldemort now is composed partly of Harry, and partly of someone in debt to Harry. This means he's partly composed of his arch enemy, who he's trying to kill.

Any ideas?
:-S

James
(I'm a newbie, so don't kill me.. please?)

Interesting theory, I never really thought about this...
I think that wormtail will turn against him at the last minute, to repay his debt.

Well I am pretty sure he can kill Harry. But as to how he will be killed. I think it will be a muggle way. I think it would be fitting somehow.

If magic can't kill him then a muggle way really won't! But that would be such a weird plot twist, maybe he could be electrictuted (spelling :'( ). Sorry just a random thought lol.

I reckon it would be ironic for a muggle way to kill him, probably also the last thing Voldy would expect but... I dont know if i can see it happening. If you think about it, guns would probably be the easiest coz you can kill quickly at a distance (someone could pick him off at a distance with a sniper rifle), but they require training to shoot. Also, I reckon the MoM would prohibit the posession of them.

Interesting...

I can't see Wormtail turning against him at any point, mainly because Voldemort will still have supporters, and we know Wormtail is a coward.

I can't see him being killed by a Muggle way, although it would be ironic. I know JK has said she'll answer this in HP & OotP, but does anyone have any idea what Harry's parents did? Maybe this was something to do with the Avada Kedravra curse, or Voldemort. At the very least I'd expect James Potter to be an Auror.

*James*

I don't think he'll actually die. I believe he'll receive a "fate worse than death". Yep I think he will be destroyed by the Dementors, I think there has to be a reason why JK mentioned that line and I don't think anyone deserves that more than Voldemort.

Very good thread, and very good theories, all of you. While I haven't a clue as to how Voldemort will die, that is to say if he dies. I for one like what JamesI said: Voldemort is now comprised of Harry, Wormtail, and Tom Riddle Sr. A fact I do not take lightly. And a fact that I think, will have major importance later in the series. Let's stick with that and maybe we can figure something out?

Tom Marvolo Riddle Snr. is a Muggle?

Voldie's killing Muggles................

Voldie hates Muggles.................

Perhaps the spell he used to bring himself back won't work after Harry dies?
Or.. Lily's love only protects Harry even inside Voldemort and it weakens his powers?

Maybe he'll try to track Harry down at the Dursleys and Dudley will sit on him.

Nice theory.. maybe death by Dudley would be too harsh a fate even for Voldemort. On second thoughts, I take that back!

Maybe Voldemort will kill the Dursleys?

I, too, think a muggle way of killing would be great. Not only would it be ironic, but it's one of the one thing he knows little about (other than things like compassion, which defeated him once) ... He'd have to be out-tricked rather than outpowered, because he's much too powerful himself. Or maybe another spell that can be achieved by another power working alongside magical power (love, hope etc.). That or by using knowledge of muggles would be a matched way to get him without trying to equal him in magical power.

But beyond the way in which would be sensible to defeat him, I haven't the foggiest.

I kind of like the idea of Voldemort being killed in a muggle way, but I doubt that will happen. I also think the Dementors might play a role in his demise. I agree that he does deserve a fate worse than death and that this might be better than killing him.

Maybe he won't die at all but live for a long time, suffering. (Probably not but that's almost better than his death).

I hope he dies, properly. I hope the dementors don't get him because then there will always be the possibilities of him returning somehow and aslo he won't really be gone. So he should really die and Harry will be the one of course to do it, probably with with the killing curse. It is only fair, as that is what gave him the scar in the first place.

I think it would be funny that after he defeats someone, like Dumbledore or Harry, he turns around; trips and falls; and is impaled by his own wand.

Mehehehehe! Did you ever do that in Sonic against Dr Robotnik? Like the molten lava one? My bro once killed Robotnik, then strolled into the lava and died!

Totally off the subject. Sorry!

But what happens if a wand pierces a wizards' heart? (Assuming Voldy now has a fleshy blood-pump) It's actually quite a great theory, once you stop giggling!

Ya know I was thinking....

Since Voldemort has Harry's blood, and therefore also Lily's protection. If Harry uses Avada Kedavra against Voldemort, will it rebound upon him the way it did on Voldemort?

Also... Being that Voldemort also has Wormtail's flesh, would Voldemort be able to turn into a rat as well? Is he now an Animagus because he has part of Wormtail?

Hello all, this is my first post, so I'll get right to it. I know it's hard to think about, but JK has (humorously at times) hinted that she will kill Harry at the end of the series. What if this happens in some sort of wierd Harry kills Voldy, but he must also sacrifice himself to do it, twist. Also I have no idea what Lilly and James did for a living. I have heard that they might be aurors, but I think Harry probably would have been told this when people were explaining what Aurors were to him.

Actually I like the Dementors giving Voldie a little kiss. Being a souless shell is what he deserves.

I too like the idea of Voldie dying in a muggle fashion. He knows the wizarding tricks and how to stop them. But muggles? He wouldn't even see it coming.

I don't think a muggle way of killing him would work unless it's instantaneus because as long as Harry has his wand, he's safe from at least harm from muggles.

Voldemort's organs will fail, because his bloodtype is not compatible with Harry's bloodtype.

I don't think if Harry tries to kill Voldemort by Avada Kedavra, the curse will rebound against Harry. Lily Potter's protection, she must have been willing to protect Harry, and only Harry. Maybe, as love is something Voldemort doesn't understand, this will cause the downfall of him?

There has to be something with the blood or turning human. Dumbledore had the famous look of truimph for a reason.

Aah, the look of triumph. I don't think he's evil. I don't want this to turn into an 'is he evil?' discussion, but I believe that Dumbledore knew something, which brings me back to say that Harry's blood line, containing Lily Potter's protection, may cause the defeat of Voldemort

JamesI, I don't think that was what Weatherby was saying at all.
The look of triumph could have meant that Voldemort would be hurt by it in the long run. Moreover, Voldie is human now which means he can die. Dumbledore was most likely thrilled about this. They want to get rid of him for good not repeatedly stopping him from coming back.

k thought I posted already!

I must say I find the idea of Voldy rejecting Harry's blood/ Wormtail's hand on the grounds that they're not a good enough match! :rofl:

However, I cant see it happening :'(

But it would be a great way for Peter to repay the life debt! :rotfl:

:elaugh:

That could just be me though! You make a huge sacrifice for someone to get back in their graces, defying a life debt bond - and your tissue kills them! I like the irony inherent!

Thainking a little in advance. What if he doesn't die by the seventh book? What if he just disappears... again. I wouldn't leave that out. But if he does die... I think it will be by love... love and friendship and sacrifice.

Love, friendship, and sacrifice are the three things Voldemort doesn't understand. Therefore, they should be the things that defeat him.

Well....
As it was written in the last book..
Voldemort can touch Harry...
THe only thing that stopped him from killing Harry was because they had wands that had a special bond.

But yes..
I think that Voldemort will be killed either by a muggle or with a tool made by a muggle,,,,

Just because Voldemort can touch Harry, it doesn't mean he can kill him :-D. And about the theories about Harry dieing, when JK Rowling was asked if she would do any more than 7 books, she said: 'If I did an eigth book it would only be for charity, like Fantastic beasts and where to find them, or quidditch through the ages, and it'd only to be see what they all did after Hogwarts.'

I think Dumbledore will be struck downand and killed by Voldemort in the last book. This will trigger rage and hatred beyond anything seen before whitin Harry, making him strong enough to defeat even Lord Voldemort. In other words Harry will go berserk(lol) with only one thought in his mind, revenge.

I don't really think Voldemort can be killed by a dementor. Doesn't the Dementors suck in the soul of their victims? If so, the dementors would have serious problems finding one within the dark lord =).

You'll notice that characters that have no souls are worse than dead. They are alive but don't feel, can't see, have no personality. They are essentially shells with nothing inside it. Regardless of who or what Voldemort is the fact remains that he is far from a shell with nothing in it, can a Dementor suck his soul out then? Of course.

Yes, the Dementor thing, while a nice idea, probably isn't what will happen.

Hee hee, i'd like to be something like how Buffy finally offed the Mayor in demon form - she lured him into a room filled with dynamite and the rest is history.

Even Voldemort could not escape that one (unless he Disapparated) and it's a Muggle invention. :)

I can see Dumbledore getting killed in book 7.

You know when Harry and Voldy locked wands? What if someone fires a killing curse at him when he's like that? I know no1 did this to Harry but they were probably shocked...

it's a bit of a back-handed way of doing it though, isnt it? so i dont think it will happen. HOWEVER, what if (a BIG what if) Ron and Hermione let James and Lilly share their bodies? And others do the same for others? ALL those powerful souls doubling up their power and magic, then, when the beads stop and it's broken, the good side could be up to twice as strong... Although it would take a lot of trust, love, belief etc...

I can't see it happening, although 'trust, love and belief etc' are the things that they stand for.

I think that guns will be involved somehow because guns are described as in PoA as a wand that muggles use to kill each other.

I think he will be killed in a way nobody has even vagually considered, yet it is going to still be amazing and memorable for years to come :) I personally dont think it will be a muggle way, or by a Dementor - beucas ethen it is the Dementor that saves the world, not Harry Potters own abilities. But Im sure it will be something really interesting...(he chokes on a pizza? Or not...)

It may not be something as simple as choking on a pizza but if it *were*....He could very well die from that because none of his followers like him enough to perform the heimlech (spelling?) manuever.
This man has enough enemies where no one will watch his back.

lol...pizza...lol...funny

But he will die at Harry's hands....hahaha...

well, i really do not know, but it would be cool....:p

Hahaha, picture the Death Eaters sitting around a table and Voldie starts choking...the DE's exchange looks and carry on talking, Lucius saying calmly "Oh, just leave him there"...
LOL, in all seriousness, I think Harry will kick Voldie's bucket over in redemption, but how, who can say? Even the wise cannot see all ends...

Here want another piece?

That is too funny! Lucius woudl be the type to say that though, but back on topic...

All I would liketo see is Harry beating the junk out of Volde in the end.....I don;t care how, just as long as he gets back at him for taking his parents away.

As long as it isn't one of those "If we work together and believe we can beat him with our happy thoughts" kind of endings. If you've ever seen a season finale of Digimon then you'd know what I'm talking about.

I'd think it would be fitting to have Godric Gryffindor's sword plunged through his heart. Whatever happened to those green flame torch theories that were flying around a while ago?

Going slightly off topic here, but I woudl like the Robotec ending better, where Harry goes off witht the girl and starts a whole new life...even though there has been a few sacrifices here and there (sorry but I really hate Min Mae...) But that would be my kind of defeat...

I'd think it would be fitting to have Godric Gryffindor's sword plunged through his heart. Whatever happened to those green flame torch theories that were flying around a while ago?

Off topic, again, but wasn't a rumour flying round that the seventh book was called that?

I like the theories. Keep 'em coming!

Yeah, there was something like that...that was a big thing back in the Fall from what I remember.

Maybe it will be something like out of Norse Mythology where Balder was protected against virtually everything in the world...except for mistletoe. The gods never thought that such a plant could kill him so they didn't ask it to not kill Balder and it ended up killing him. Voldemort may be virtually imortal, but maybe there's something simple that could easily kill him.

I'm thinking that a little Flobber Worm mucus just might do the trick.

What is the relationship between Voldemort and Phoenixes?

Voldemort has Fawkes' tail fether in his wand.....

And the Norse wersion of Achiles....nice....Voldemort must have some weaknesses, other than stupidity I mean...

Phoenixes symbolise resurrection.

Any theories on that?

Ive heard Phoenixes represent Immortality, but resurrection...

I do like the idea of Voldermort dying becuase of the Gryffindor sword. But if Fawkes was involved too, it would be too much like the 2nd book repeating itself.

I believe that the green flame torch theories were just made up by someone wanting attention... they were interesting theories (the torch was an object that killed all evil and healed all good; and Harry was suppose to defeat Voldermort with it); but I just dont think they would fit in. Dont forget, Harry is the one to defeat Vodlermort - with his own powers and abilities. He may use an object, simply or complicated, but it will be something that in different hands wouldnt do much (eg, a sword wouldnt be much use if I had to kill Voldermort with it, as it would probably be too heavy for me to pick up...), so it would still be Harry that saved the day, and not the items he used.

Totally and utterly contradicting my last paragraph, I do like the idea of all three of the descendants of the houses to defeat Voldermort in a final battle: Harry, Cho Chang, and...err...Justin Finch-Fletchly? But then Harrys bravery and abilities will be shared out of the three of them.

I think Voldemort and haryr will have a final showdown in the last book and it will be a long battle and a bunch of new and tourcherous hexes will be introduced along with the fading of harry's scare possibly.

I can't see anyone else but Harry defeating Voldemort.

If (when) Harry does, what will happen to him?

Originally posted by Filius Flitwick (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=266091#post266091))
Voldemort may be virtually imortal, but maybe there's something simple that could easily kill him.


But that's the thing. He isn't immortal anymore at the end of book 4. He settled for his old human body.
His rising again is exactly what will enable
them to kill him.

Yes, but he seemed to have taken several percautions, so I would guess that his body still clung to some of them...thus making him almost untouchable, though very dense, as he seems to have been lax in his studies...

He's in his old body.
He'll have the same talents but they won't be as enhanced. He's Voldemort before he went to the dark depths of the world to emmerse himself in total evil. (Sorry for being so cheesy. :) )

That's not too cheesy, really...makes sence...:D

I agree with Weatherby. He said he "settled" so he can't be like he was before.

But then again, what is stoppin ghim from doing it all again? If he did it once, then he could easily do it again, as it was abviously successful...

That's why now is the time to get rid of Voldie. The man has a lot on his plate though and it took him forever to get to where he was.
Maybe Snape helped with this as it has been said in other threads and he'll allow him to join his side again to assist with this.

I agree that Snape may have helped him before.
I also recall he said he wasn't sure which method he took worked. He said one of the steps helped him from dying completely..he may try all of those again. Who knows how long that took?

Snape's a teacher a Hogwarts.

Voldemort's no fool. Do you think, with the links Snape has to Dumbledore, he'll let him back into his inner circle?

'One who I believe has left me forever. He will be killed.'

You know when Ron says the Fred and George actually have been inventeding stuff, we thought they just liked noise. What if something they created defeated Voldemort? No one really knows what they have invented except canary creams, fake wands, ton tongue toffee, but what other interesting things might they have invented that might play a role in defeating Voldemort

Interesting. I'm not sure.

I hope this has not been discussed before? :sorry:

I was just driving in my car this morning and listening to my Harry tapes
(for the millionth time) and wondered how will Harry (will he be the one to do the deed??) kill Voldemort??

I would like to here your opinions, dish!:p ;D

I just kind of assumed a duel with Harry that would result in Harry being severely injured (but surviving) and Voldy being blown to smitherines. Then Harry, Ron and Hermione walking off into the sunset. Kind of simplistic, really, but I think I would need to read one or two more of the books before guessing how Voldy will die. Well, I guess the information I would like is how powerful Harry really is (he seems to have hidden talents) and how vulnerable Voldy is.

I remember there being a topic on this...? Oh well, I always thought that either Harry or Dumbledore would kill him in a duel...but how would Harry kill him? Not with Avra Kedavra, right? Isn't that a Dark Art spell? .....:??:

I guess JK will have to develop the characters further in future books, so that we can make a better guess. More characters might be introduced, also that will fight against Voldemort.

Who says he's going to die? Maybe he'll like...go on killing people and they'll end the series with Voldie escaping from Harry. :sigh: Oh well, I doubt it. But he should go out in a lot of pain...not Avada Kedavra...that's too kind. He won't feel it. Idk, I hope Harry gets him gooood.

I can see Voldemort using a spell to turn his wand into a sword, and Harry having the Gyrffindor sword. They battle to the death, Harry badly wounds Voldemort, and Voldemort begs for his life. Just as Harry is about to show mercy, Voldemort tries to kill Harry, and Harry decapitates him.

Maybe it will work the same way as Lily and Harry. She loved him so much that the love acted as a barrier and bounded off onto the person casting it. Harry is very weak and cannot continue to fight.

Then Voldemort raises his wand and says the words. Then the love of Lily and James still lives, the love of his friends and some other people ;) it will make the spell bound off and Voldemort can't take it a second time and he shrivels up and turns to ashes. Harry survives and lives on. Seems like a great idea for a fan fic *writes it down*

Thats true, Pheonix Ignition....heh heh, I'd love to see Dobby beat the **** out of him....:lol:

I have no clue how that's gonna work out. Who knows how JKR's mind works....

As horrible as Voldemort is, I'd feel wierd seeing Harry kill someone. I'd say Dumbledore kills him, but then again I expect that the big climax is gonna involve Harry. Could some redemption thing happen? Err.... that's hard to imagine. I don't know. I don't think Voldemort deserves to live so it would be nice to see him gone and dead, but I can't see Harry giving him a violent death, like the decapitation someone mentioned.

I think Voldermort will be killed/defeated in book 7

Hi this topic already exists. :) :)
How will Voldemort be defeated? (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6487)

Thanks, Lauren. :)

I'm going to merge this thread with the existing topic on Voldemort's downfall mentioned in the lovely Weatherby's thread.

Very simple ... The Full Body Bind, then thrown into a pit of snakes where he will be killed
(There is a legend about Merlin, before King Arthurs time, in which he defeated a evil wizard whose name was Voldermortist, by using a simple freezing spell (Full Body Bind maybe) and throwing him into a pit of snakes)

I have three guesses as to how Voldie will be defeated.

1. Godric Gryffindor's sword.

2. Avada Kedavra curse.

3. Powers combined by the other three heirs.
- Harry of Gryffindor
- anyone from Hufflepuff ( I don't know anyone that can be Hufflepuff's Heir)
- And maybe Cho Chang of the Ravenclaw.

hehe... I don't think my guess is as good as anyone. But i think that will do. :o

Originally posted by familiar (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=298514#post298514)) Well, I guess the information I would like is how powerful Harry really is (he seems to have hidden talents) and how vulnerable Voldy is.


Familiar, I think I have an answer for this, but it is just a theory that has been in my head for a long time now. In order for Harry to defeat Voldemort, he has to be stronger, right? Well, I believe that Harry will be stronger than Voldemort, if he isn't already stronger now. In GoF, we get an example of how strong Harry is; he is able to push those beads of light into Voldemort's wand. His magic was put against Voldemort's, and Harry's magic is much stronger. Even though Harry’s magic is stronger, he is still a wizard in training. By the seventh book, Harry will just be out of Hogwarts, better trained, wiser, and stronger but not enough to go against the most powerful wizard of all time and win. Voldemort is better trained and he might also be wiser of Harry and more cautious around him. He might even treat him more seriously then he did in the fourth book. Harry’s magical power will not work here. So, what Harry has to do is exploit Voldemort’s vulnerability. I think Voldemort’s vulnerability is very obvious.

In GoF, at the graveyard scene before the Deatheaters came, we find out how much Voldemort seems to hate his father, the father who abandon him to be left and raised in an orphanage. Voldemort wanted revenge, and he killed his father. But even after all these years, he still has a strong hatred against his father. You would think that Voldemort would leave it behind him after he killed his father, but this isn’t the case. He also hates Muggles, and it is funny because he has muggle blood in him. So what Voldemort seems to hate is the blood that is inside him, the impurity.

Now contrast this with Harry. Harry has almost been in the same situation, except no one abandons him. He had lived with a family of Muggles that has hated him and everything he represents just like Voldemort’s father had hated magic. They had abused Harry, and this could be enough to send anyone wanting revenge. But Harry has had something that Voldemort didn’t, and this is love and friendship. Harry has friends, who really care about him, and helps and supports him. This has helped Harry not turning into the psychopath that is now Voldemort. What Harry has is strength of character and a very strong will power that far suppresses Voldemort’s. I think by the seventh book, Harry will finally know who he really is and except it. This is something Voldemort has never done.

So, in this sense, Harry will be much wiser and stronger than Voldemort. Voldemort’s hatred for himself is his weakness and I believe Harry will find this out and use it for his advantage. How can Harry use this for his advantage? I don’t know, because I haven’t figured that out. But I do know one thing; Harry will never kill. This will go against with what I believe what Rowling is trying to say, and that is taking a life is evil, even if it’s Voldemort’s life. No, I think that it will be Voldemort who vanquishes himself, with Harry’s help.

The advantage that Voldemort and other Dark wizards have is their willingness to use the Unforgivable Curses, most especially Avada Kedavra, which has no block.

My theory is that Harry as a baby unknowingly discovered an effective block (but couldn't properly perform it) which sends the curse back against the original caster. I suspect that Harry will, in book 7, have gained enough experience and insight into his own power that he'll be able to discover how he survived Voldemort's initial attack so providing good wizards with a defense against Avada Kedavra. As for how this results in Voldemort's death, he will try to use Avada Kedavra on Harry who will use the block reflecting the curse back at Voldemort, killing him.

The only aspect I unclear about is why didn't Voldemort die when Harry unknowingly used the block (assuming I'm right :) ) when he was a baby. I suppose it could be explained as a consequence of Harry being a baby untrained in the magical arts.

The other issue is how does the protection Harry gained from his mother's sacrifice plays with my theory. It's possible that his mother's protection kept Harry alive despite his inability to fully execute the block (again assuming I'm correct about a block) meaning no real conflict exists between my theory and what the books have explained this far.

It's just a question of JKR explaining more fully how Harry survived.

Well, I think that how Voldemort will be defeated is that Harry, Hermione and Ron will all defeat him, with some of their own talents. Harry has some of Voldemort in him, right? So if Voldemort tries to kill Harry, it would be like killing himself, right?
So I don't think that Volldie will kill Harry; Harry will kill Volldie.
And of course Hermione would probably do research, and , well... I don't really know what Ron would do. AHA! I know what he would do! He would stick to Harry through the whole thing! Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And another prediction I have is, Hermione will become horribly ill, because of Volldie. And she's in the Hospital Wing for months!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OR! Another way I think Volldie will become vanquished is that all the teachers[including Snape] try to defeat him! Along with H/H/R.

I have two theories.
1. Either becauseVoldemort is thus bound to Harry, the death of either will cause the death of the other -or- one must kill both simultaneously or somesuch.

2. Voldemort will never die and must be trapped somehow like a genie in a bottle or by some artifact- possible one the Order of the Phoenix will construct.

Hi everybody...m'first thread...a little excited *deep breath* ok :o

I have been here for a few months now reading all the lovely comments and having a blast but never getting up the energy to register until now. I had this question in my head and I wondered if anyone could give it some thought for me.

I was pondering Harry's saving of Peter's life in GoF, not exactly to set him free of course, but he did decide not to allow others to become killers because of Peter. That led me to think of what would happen if he got to a point where he had Voldemort, how I have no idea thats up to JK, but ya know, just hypothetically if it came down to all Harry had to do would be to say "Avada..." to end him, what should he do? I realize Voldemort is of a level that death would be immediately necessary but should Harry be the one to do it? Does it taint Harry to you, to have him do the Avada Kedavra curse? I realize if it just sort of happens but Harry actively killing someone as some sort of revenge or something....I dunno...just thinking out loud on this post but I couldn't decide how I thought about it and whether Harry winning outta be because he used an unforgiveable curse

sorry for rambling, hope that made sense, thanks for havin' me everybody :D

PS. also would it even work on Voldemort?

At the moment AK should work because he is mortal - it should, but whether or not it will is another matter. The problem with Voldie is that he keeps springing back, in some form or another. He is manipulative and powerful. He would have to be killed in order to be stopped. Whether Harry is the person to do it or not is another question though.

There is, on the other hand, a big difference in Harry allowing Peter to live and Harry killing Voldie. Voldie directly killed Harry's parents, has plagued Harry the past few years, was undoubtably out to kill him that day Harry's parents died. I don't think Harry would be a bad person for killing Voldie when the time is right.

Another question would be if Harry had the strength to do it... well I'm not sure a teenage Wizard would. I think Voldie's demise will probably come about another way.

:welcome: scoobysnacks!
I've wondered this myself, and while I have mostly decided that I will let JKR's wonderful imagination answer this for me, I did realize that Harry may not be able to kill Voldemort simply because of the wand problem - you know, his and Voldie's wands being brothers.

That aside, I'm having trouble deciding whether Harry's temper or his good side would get the better of him when in a situation where he could kill Voldie. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't kill him off if it wasn't a 'fair' battle - ie if Voldemort was wandless or something.

I have a few more ideas but I'm starting to ramble, so I'll leave those for another day ;)

Harry would be able to kill him because he has not been taught to do the curse because there is powerfull magic behind it, like Crouck jnr said in GoF. Could Harry of poined his wand at Voldamortes head and said "reducio" if the wands didnt connect to kill Vold?

Intresting post :) and from one newbie to another welcome **waves**

I always felt diffrently than most about Volemort and Wormtail, I actually think that Wormtail's act of betrayal was MUCH WORSE, than anything Voldemort did (and Wormtail is one of my favorite characters.....go figure **shrugs**) Voldemort never made any apology for who he was, he killed for power and he never was manipulative (as far as we know) People came to him of their own free will...and so did Wormtail....If Harry should have killed anyone (in rightous anger) it should have been Wormtail. If not for his betrayal, voldemort would never have found the Potters.

Back to the matter at hand, I think Voldemort can be killed, by Avada Kedavra or any other means for that matter...but i think Harry will have to do it, and it will change him into something he doesn't want to be...a killer....

Harry could always shrink him and lock him in a jar with some leaves ............ :rotfl: :elaugh: :rotfl: :sick: :devil:

Oh wait, that's been done before! D'oh!

I wondered about that too, scoobysnacks. I don't think JR will make Harry kill Voldemort. Even the scene in CoS when Harry "stabs" the Diary sends shivers down my spine.

Very interesting thread . . . Haven't really thought of this before.
I think I've always figured Harry would end up killing Voldie . . . but imagining Harry using Avada Kedavra or something like that sort of messes with my head if you know what I mean.
I think it would would work best if Harry outsmarted him into making some big mistake that brings about his own destruction :dead:. We have seen him make some really major mistakes before :evil:

Avada Kedavra is not the only possible way to kill someone. I know the spell has captured the imagination of a lot of us, but let us not become fixated on it as the ONLY way a character may die in the books.
Harry may well cause Voldemort to die by the end of the series, but I feel it will be a more indirect way than Harry actually killing him.

If Adava Kedavra were that easy, Voldemort would be dead. What I think Crouch mentioned indirectly was that there is a counter to AK, the magical talent of the target. It would take an extremely powerful wizard to AK Voldemort.

When you look at stories and movies where a good guy is going against a bad guy and the good guy 'wins' by killing the bad guy, it is never easy. I can't picture Harry walking up to Voldemort and saying 'my name is Harry Potter, you killed my parents, prepare to die....Avra...'. I would be bothered if it were that easy and it wouldn't be in line with how the rest of the series has been written. I don't think based on the way I see Harry that he could just calmly walk up and kill Voldemort.

I would imagine that Voldemorts death comes with a combination of his own mistake (he does seem to make a lot of those) and Harry's abilities. I would imagine that Harry would hesitate to kill Voldemort and then Voldemort attacks Ron or Hermione or someone and then Harry kills Voldemort. That is how I sort of picture it.

Happy posting.

Well, I think Voldemort can be killed. I don't exactly know how, but he can. I woyldn't think harry is bad if he killed Voldemort in any way, but I don't know how Harry would feel... AK has been haunting him gor all these years... Remember the green light? We know he wants Voldemort dead, but... What if Harry killed him another way? Maybe Harry doesn't want to do AK to anyone...

oooh, good post!!
um would harry use the AK curse if he had the opportunity against voldie and would it work? i believe that he has the potential to be a powerful enough wizard to use it, but i'm not sure he would.
i think he could get in the position and not do it- not because he would lose the nerve, but because his parents wouldn't want him to, he knows this isn't what his parents would want for him.
I think he'll be in the position to hand V over to the authorities- but it wont be the dementors- i wonder who it would be?!!!!
aaaagh too many thoughts
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come on book 5 june 21 seems a lifetime away!!!!
:banghead: :banghead: :angry:

I was thinking of the Dementor's Kiss, but that would require the dementors to turn on Voldemort.

You people are all assuming that Voldie will die, and that Harry will survive. You don't actually know that's going to happen. I'm hoping it doesn't; the good guy winning is so cliched.

Yes, Captain Nick, well, I guess we're just funny that way.....

I'm going to merge this topic with a thread entitled How will Voldemort be defeated? (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6487)

If another admin/mod thinks these threads should remain separate, please split the threads. :)

Originally posted by Buttercup (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=310132#post310132)) I can't picture Harry walking up to Voldemort and saying 'my name is Harry Potter, you killed my parents, prepare to die....'.

omg lol...that is the funniest thing i've read all day...i realize finding something hysterical in the middle of something rather morbid is 'just wrong' but sorry...i lurv that movie! i got this image of Mandy Patinkin with his accent pointing a wand at Voldemort. Seriously my sides ache! ;D

and now back to your regularly scheduled death and destruction...

In my mind the two worlds of Harry Potter and Princess Bride overlap, so I could easily see Inigo Montoya strolling down Diagon Alley.....

OK, back on topic?
Details, details, all these little details will catch up to Voldemort.
He ignores the danger of Wormtail being near him, he believes fear will keep him in line. I see Peter in a position to sabotage his plans at a crucial moment.
Other little things, house-elves, Old Magic, old loyalties, new friends.... [OK, I know some of these aren't really little things, but Voldemort thinks they are!]
He overlooks too much.

Perhaps he'll be run over by a renegade, and very angry Ford Anglia with a chip on its shoulder.

But really, the point is well made that V overlooks a lot, like Lily's love and Peter's debt to Harry now being a part of him. And remember the unicorn blood? Something about a half life.

I hate to bring Disney into this discussion, (Princess Bride is so much more appropriate here), but as often as not,the Disney hero doesn't kill the bad guy so much as the villain somehow stupidly does himself in. Perhaps V is already well on his way to lighting his own pyre.

Anyone think Tom Riddle Sr and his parents were blueblooded bigots?

This kinda touches on the Grindelwald thread also in this forum, but maybe however Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald will also be important in the death of Voldemort. Because much like Harry, I don't see Dumbledore just sneaking up on the dark wizard Grindelwald and "Avada Kedavra," bang, he's dead. There has got to be some drawn out (3 more books?) complicated way to kill Voldie.

I don't supposed Voldie will trip on the hem of his robe and break his neck? Nah, probably not.

Sorry. It's been a long day.

hehe yeah it would be a funny way to die but i dont think j. k. rowling woulod like to kill him off like that though lol i do like the idea lol.

I am not fond of this particular idea, and forgive me if it has already been posted, but some people have speculated that the only way for Voldemort to die is for Harry to also die, because their lives are connected. You know, the Dragonslayer theory. The reason I am not fond of this is because a) I can see it happening and b) I don't want Harry to die!!!!!!!!! :(

Okay, how about this:

Voldemort looks upon the carnage he has wrought and is overwhelmed by a sense of shame and regret.

"I just wanted to be immortal," he cries out, "and now I never will be"

Overcome by his emotions he takes out his wand, holding it straight in front of him and then turning it inwards on himself. As the wand impales his stomach (think John Belushi's suicide samurai here) Harry sees the life force fading from Voldemort.

He reaches out for him but it is too late. As he pulls the wand from Voldemort's chest, he notices that something unusual has been left behind: a small lightning shaped scar.

I think it will be through some fault of his own. Something he forgets, or some small detail he pays no attention to that will become very important close to his defeat. It's how Harry has managed to escape him in the previous books: In book one, by touching Quirrel, in book 2, through phoenix tears and stabbing the book with the fang, and in Book 4 through Priori Incantatem. There's a trend in the books that really can't be ignored.

wierd to think about jsut gotta wait and see :)

Personally I think Nevilles just gonna flip one day and kill him. I mean I know if someone had done something like that to my parents Id lose it

Well, I don't know if Neville will kill Voldemort, but I do know (or think) that his pent up anger will some day just spill out in an outburst. Hopefully on Malfoy! After all, his parents suffered almost as bad a thing as Harry's parents did and Neville has to deal with a lot considering they don't even remember him.

I agree that it is going to because he forgot something or somehow screwed up. Sure Voldermort is smart and cunning, but no one can think of everything. Its probably going to be something really simple. He's got all these huge plans, something small could easily be forgotten.

I personally would love to see Harry kill V in a duel, in front of Malfoy, but that's a dream that probably won't come true. :)

I think that since Harry and Voldemort are so conected( Vold. transfered some of his poweres to harry the night he tried to kill him and now he has Harry's blood 2) Maybe if ne1 of them dies the other one may too....maybe the series will end with harry sacrificing himself to save every1 else...far fetched i know

OOOPS sry didnt read all thread b4 i posted my theories not as original as i thought

Hi Hammi.

FYI We're supposed to type all the words out because a lot of people are ESL (English as a second language).

Also you can hit the edit button to fix your original post.

:)

And FYI is for your information. :)

Interesting theories, everyone!

Hey guys i just wanted to know if you have any theories on Voldies death? if you know of any let me know. Things I want to know:

-how he dies
-who kills him?
- do you think it would be harry or dumbledore or both who kill him?

I think it would be a fight that we couldn't have imagined, hopefully something brilliant from JK's mind. Probably not a traditional wizard dual.

Let me know what you think about this.

AndyP

i bet nearly half of book 7 (which, if it follows the pattern, will be well over 1000 pages long) will be a big wizard battle. i'm thinking, like...you know how in LotR, at the beginning they showed the big battle between elves/men and sauron's armies? i bet it'll be a battle like that. only...written.

i do believe, however, that there will be some sort of sacrifice in book 7, to kill voldemort. of course, that does seem to be what's expected in everything. sacrifice seems to be a big cliche in books and movies. JKR's above all the cliche stuff...although it would be very touching (and also tearjerking and heartbreaking) to see, say, ron sacrifice himself so that voldie will die or whatever. just a thought.

(pardon me for the disorganized thoughts, it's 7 in the morning and i haven't slept)

A lot of people I've spoken to about the ending have a strong belief that Harry will give his life to rid the world of Voldemort.

I don't really believe this but it wouldn't surprise me.

For some odd reason, I have a feeling that something else MAJOR needs to be introduced into the plot. And that it definitely needs to be introduced in this next book. We just can't spend 3 more years chasing the same guy, I know I'd still like the books but it may get sort of monotonous. Perhaps I am thinking that we need to be chasing something else in the end besides Voldemort's death. Some other complication needs to present itself and to what it may be........I have no idea.

do yuo think his death may be earlier than expected

im sorry sincerity but i cant imagine JK trying to do a Tolkien with a war, it is not her style.

Originally posted by AndyP (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=383616#post383616))
im sorry sincerity but i cant imagine JK trying to do a Tolkien with a war, it is not her style.


I didn't mean that she would actually write the whole "war" itself. JKR wouldn't write like that. She would write of specific "battles", if you will.

Ecthelion brings up a good point. If all we're seeking is Voldemort's death, things could get pretty monotonous. Maybe...I'm thinking something along the lines of Harry having to sacrifice himself because some of Voldemort's powers got transferred to him as well. I know this is far-fetched, but maybe Voldemort is destroyed, and Harry finds that he has Dark powers as well that have to be repressed...I have no idea.

that is a good point, i hadnt thought about him having other dark powers?
do you think DD will survive till the end, what part will he have to play?

I think the idea of Harry sacrificing himself is a good one because it would neatly end the series and there woudnt be any pressure for sequels etc.

I think it would be closure if you like.

Here's my thoughts. I think that in the next few books we are gonna see more of Voldie's actions, but less of him. I think the main problem for Harry and his friends are going to be fighting the death eaters and possibly the dementors, if they are in fact on Voldie's side.

As far as Voldie's death, well, I have always imagined that Dumbledore would end up killing him, sacrificing his life for Harry. I just don't think that Harry is going to kill him. I also don't think Harry will die in the end. I think he is too important and will have to be around to clean up the mess after Voldi is gone for good! Just speculation of course, ha! Who knows what JK has up her sleeves.

maybe but the last word apparently in book 7 is scar, which is why i think harry is still alive and one of his friends will sacrifice themselves to give harry room to blast Vodemort into pieces, maybe Ron (it would be good because ron is often left in the dark while harry and hermione get alot of the credit, then ron would be remembered for dying in the last battle against Voldemort and giving his life for that)

i think wormtail will defenestrate voldie to repay his debt! no not really but i think he will repay his debt somehow

Here's a radical idea:

If Voldemort *can't* die because he always finds a new body to live in (a la Quirrell), how about trapping him in a time-loop? Instead of killing him, he could get sent a thousand years into the past, where he'd adopt the name of Salazar Slytherin, and found Hogwarts with the other three. Then once his current body got old, he'd possess the body of his own son ... then his grandson... then his great-grandson.....

Eventually, after a thousand years, he's back to being Tom Riddle! He remembers (pretty vaguely, since it's been sooooooo long) that a kid named Harry Potter was the one who sent him back in time, so he goes to Godric's Hollow to try to kill baby Harry, fails, possesses Quirrell, gets chased away, flees to Albania, gets resurrected, fights the Order, is sent back in time.....

Round and round he goes! :-)

This would resolve the "ancestor/descendent" confusion from CoS, and it would put an end to Voldemort's evil deeds. It'd also be a great way to punish the creep -- endlessly re-living his own pain, failures and folly -- without actually forcing Harry to take a life (which he wouldn't let Lupin and Sirius do, in PoA). And it would make Dumbledore's remarks to Harry in PS/SS, about how Voldemort might be defeated again and again and again, so he'd never truly return, more prophetic than we ever imagined!

Post theories here about how Voldemort will be defeated!! How will Harry kill or vanquish Voldemort?

Here are some questions to begin with:
Will Harry use the Killing Curse?
Will he be the cause of Voldemort's downfall, but doesn't do the killing, himself?
Will he defeat Voldemort in some muggle way (swords...etc)?
Or even, do you think Harry will be able to kill Voldemort?

You might be interested in the following threads.
This thread is from History of Magic Referance Books and is quite similar to my thread.
How will Voldemort be defeated? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=6487)
Here's another thread that discusses upon the word "vanquish" in the Prophecy and whether Harry will just defeat him and somebody else does the killing. Harry does not have to kill Voldemort aka VANQUISHING Voldemort (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=15410)

I think he will push Voldemort through the veil. He can't do the killing curse because their wands don't work against each other (unless they use different wands).

I don't think Harry will use the killing curse...maybe Harry wont actually physically kill Voldemort he could use Legimens or something to destroy him.

Yeah... that's an idea, Snout!

And, it makes sense with the 2-book-rule-theory. (like the first book introduces the idea of Animagus, later important in the third book; the second introduces the Polyjuice Potion, later important in the fourth and etc.)
Assuming that the Final battle will be in book 7, then it'll follow the two-book-rule, because the Veil was introduced in book 5, and it'll be important in book 7.

Hmmm...

I think he will push Voldemort through the veil. He can't do the killing curse because their wands don't work against each other (unless they use different wands).

Aaah...you're too quick for me...that's exactly what I was going to say, except for this: Would Harry want Voldemort to die the same way Sirius did?

You're right, potions_geek, I doubt that Harry will want to remind himself of Sirius.

Also, I know this seems very wild idea, but if the veil sent you to this one place, instead of the usual death, maybe Voldemort will meet Sirius, if Voldemort goes through the Veil, and it'll be a terrible situation for Sirius. And somehow, I can't see Jo doing that to Sirius... He's already suffered enough... :sad:

Well, but still, we'll keep the Veil as a possibility. It's definately a possibility...

Here's an idea. Voldie uses a backfiring AK on Harry (again?) then Harry sends "Vapourmort" through the veil.
Not very good but it's the best I can come up with off the top of my head, and it's never been suggested before (to my knowledge).

Here's an idea. Voldie uses a backfiring AK on Harry (again?) then Harry sends "Vapourmort" through the veil.
Not very good but it's the best I can come up with off the top of my head, and it's never been suggested before (to my knowledge).

Well, that is good. Very interesting. The killing curse might backfire again... I don't think I've heard of that one that frequently compared to others...

And about the other one, we were just discussing about Voldemort sent through the veil, so post your ideas about how he'll be sent through the veil!!

What about this:
Ron will sacrifice himself for Harry and through this protection (the same Lily gave to Harry when he was a baby)Harry is rescued once more, but this time Voldmort really dies, because he has already suffered too much the last time.
That would be terrible, of course (and Heron wouldn't happen in the end :upset: ), but it's possible.

Hey, Elemental.
How do I think Harry will send "Vapourmort" through the veil?
That's the flaw in my theory!
Perhaps there's some sort of sort of storm spell that could blast him through with a puff of wind! bit of an anticlimax.
A PATRONUS! chase him like a dementor and send him through the veil.
And having no body he'd be no threat to sirius, to cheer up whoever said he would.

ProfRavenclaw, that's some interesting theories... So, a storm blast, eh?

Well, that was me who said the thing about Sirius. I wasn't really saying Voldemort will be a threat to Sirius, more like Sirius will become crazy and mad because he'll want to harm Voldemort, injure him in someway, but because they are both...well...dead (I think...) he can't do that to Voldemort, so it'll drive him crazy.

It's just like the Greek Myth of Tantalus, a mythical king punished in Hades (Greek Underworld) by the sight of water which ebbed whenever he stopped to drink and fruit which drew back when he reached for them.


And this is to skittles2: Yeah, many people seem to think that Ron will sacrifice himself, because of the SS/PS transfigured giant chess game at the end. Well....