Hermione and Ron - Where to from here?

I've spent some time following the Harry and Ginny thread (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=67896) with some interest now and I must admit that I'm quite delighted with the way Jo has bought the two of them together. They are undoubtedly a going concern as a couple and seem to be only on hold while other matters are attended to.

Our other central pair, Hermione and Ron, are much less positive in how they've gone about their relationship. I must admit to having quite misjudged them as I thought by the way they interracted throughout and particularly at the end of OOTP that they were already a couple and may have even acknowledged this during their end of book hospital stay. Well how wrong I got that call, oh well.

Well, given Jo has pretty much said that Hermione and Ron are the other couple now I guess the question is when and how they are going to come out into the open and just admit it. Like the last book they've ended HBP in a very couple like manner with their mutual support of each other at the funeral and later of Harry in his upcoming quest. Still after the last book I'm not going to assume anything is set in stone between them and there are still some issues to be resolved or at least exposed to the reader.

So with that in mind the question is where to from here for Hermione and Ron? What's resolved and what remains to be resolved between them? I'm hoping that Jo retains the comedy of their relationship as this, and others in the series particularly from GOF on, have served to bring some lightness and balance out what has ben becoming an increasingly dark and dire story.

So what do you think then?

I think they're going to be in the middle of a big argument over God only knows what, and Hermione is going to just grab Ron and lay a lip lock on him. The rest, as they say, will be history....

I think a terrible thing will nearly happen and they will realize how much they care for each other

I've spent some time following the Harry and Ginny thread (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=67896) with some interest now and I must admit that I'm quite delighted with the way Jo has bought the two of them together. They are undoubtedly a going concern as a couple and seem to be only on hold while other matters are attended to.You sound like an Accountant here.

Our other central pair, Hermione and Ron, are much less positive in how they've gone about their relationship. I must admit to having quite misjudged them as I thought by the way they interracted throughout and particularly at the end of OOTP that they were already a couple and may have even acknowledged this during their end of book hospital stay. Well how wrong I got that call, oh well.I thought they were together as well. It's not you alone. I thought that even though there wasn't a lot of evidence they seemed to be acting like a couple in OotP.

Well, given Jo has pretty much said that Hermione and Ron are the other couple now I guess the question is when and how they are going to come out into the open and just admit it. Like the last book they've ended HBP in a very couple like manner with their mutual support of each other at the funeral and later of Harry in his upcoming quest. Still after the last book I'm not going to assume anything is set in stone between them and there are still some issues to be resolved or at least exposed to the reader.Well, they are definitely going to be together as they like Harry and Ginny are meant to be. How they'll come together is anyone's guess. Maybe at the wedding but more than likely bonding while visiting the Dursleys. I expect an early book get together but because they have to be searching for Horcruxes there will not be a lot of time for snogging, etc (I'm sure Harry will be thankful :blush: ).

So with that in mind the question is where to from here for Hermione and Ron? What's resolved and what remains to be resolved between them? I'm hoping that Jo retains the comedy of their relationship as this, and others in the series particularly from GOF on, have served to bring some lightness and balance out what has ben becoming an increasingly dark and dire story.

So what do you think then?
I think that everything has been resolved between them. It's apparent to both of them now conclusively that they like each other. It's just a matter of discussing it and getting together (with some bickering of course :p ). Ron now knows what type of relationship he wants and Hermione knows that Ron wants her. It will happen at the beginning of the book within the first 10 chapters maybe. This could only be wishful thinking of course because I've been dying for this couple to get together since the end of GoF. I just hope JK doesn't make us wait.

I had a scary thought though - suppose JK doesn't ever plan to bring them together because she plans on killing one or both of them?

However they get together, i hope JK doesnt make us wait too long cause i have been waiting for what seems like forever for these two to get together. Im guessing that this might happen early on in the book, perhaps at the fleur/bill wedding, i think that would be really good event that will bring them together.
She better not kill one of them off..lol. That would be so horrible!! I'd be so upset, and i know a lot of other R/Hr shippers would be really upset as well. We've been waiting so long...

I think that Ron and Hermione will live happily ever after because it always seems that in stories the two side characters who always argue with each other fall in love with each other.

The feeling I got from the end of HBP is that they love each other and they both know it. They're more comfortable with each other than they've probably been since CoS. But they're not at the kissing stage yet. I think we might not see them at that stage until after the halfway point of Book 7 - it might even be not until the very climax of the series that they actually, officially, get together (let's face it, a love story is usually more interesting during the actual falling in love stage, than it is once the couple have got together). Why they're not together yet, we can only speculate. We know Harry was worried about them getting together, because he didn't want them to fall apart, and their friendship to go with it; and he was also worried that they'd become embarrassing. Perhaps Ron and Hermione (probably Hermione more than Ron) are worried how Harry will react? How would he feel about it? Not that he'll be angry, but that he'll be hurt or embarrassed in some way. None of the trio have ever openly talked about what's going on, so Ron and Hermione have no idea how he'll react. Maybe this will be discussed in Book 7. Another interesting thing is that the books are told from Harry's POV, so when Ron and Hermione first kiss - if JKR wants to show it to us - Harry will have to be either in the room, or spying on them. I can't wait to see how she's going to work all of this together. She's been telling this romance over seven books and clearly knows exactly how it's going to work out - just one piece of the puzzle left.

I think a terrible thing will nearly happen and they will realize how much they care for each other
Personally I think that's what happened with Ron's poisoning but like the previous book and their mutual hospital stay I'm not taking anything for granted this time around.

They are undoubtedly a going concern as a couple and seem to be only on hold while other matters are attended to.
You sound like an Accountant here.
:scared: Aaargh, no, not the accountant. Run for your lives. :p

Well, they are definitely going to be together as they like Harry and Ginny are meant to be. How they'll come together is anyone's guess. Maybe at the wedding but more than likely bonding while visiting the Dursleys. I expect an early book get together but because they have to be searching for Horcruxes there will not be a lot of time for snogging, etc (I'm sure Harry will be thankful :blush: ).
I'm kind of expecting something to come out at the wedding, I just hope Jo keeps it comedic.

I think that everything has been resolved between them.
That's what I'm not so sure of, if it has then it's happened out of sight for us. The one festering issue I hope is adressed is Hermione's relationship with Viktor. I think from her perspective he's a friend but it's obvious that Ron still feels threatened by him and we still don't know just how Viktor himself feels. During GOF he certainly seemed to display genuine feelings toward her.

It's apparent to both of them now conclusively that they like each other. It's just a matter of discussing it and getting together (with some bickering of course :p ). Ron now knows what type of relationship he wants and Hermione knows that Ron wants her. It will happen at the beginning of the book within the first 10 chapters maybe. This could only be wishful thinking of course because I've been dying for this couple to get together since the end of GoF. I just hope JK doesn't make us wait.
:agree: Oh definately. It's the discussing of it that's been the hold up for them being as they're both clearly insecure people and uncertain how to move forward here. Hopefully their mutual understanding that was shown at Dumbledore's funeral which was such a contrast to the last time Hermione broke down with Ron in POA will allow them to deal with this more effctively than either of them have yet done.

I had a scary thought though - suppose JK doesn't ever plan to bring them together because she plans on killing one or both of them?
Like I said in the 'Your feelings if Harry dies?' (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=61252) thread in this post (http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=2886478&postcount=260) I'd be quite shocked and surprised if Harry and the rest of the foursome didn't survive the books.

The feeling I got from the end of HBP is that they love each other and they both know it. They're more comfortable with each other than they've probably been since CoS. But they're not at the kissing stage yet. I think we might not see them at that stage until after the halfway point of Book 7 - it might even be not until the very climax of the series that they actually, officially, get together (let's face it, a love story is usually more interesting during the actual falling in love stage, than it is once the couple have got together). Why they're not together yet, we can only speculate. We know Harry was worried about them getting together, because he didn't want them to fall apart, and their friendship to go with it; and he was also worried that they'd become embarrassing. Perhaps Ron and Hermione (probably Hermione more than Ron) are worried how Harry will react? How would he feel about it? Not that he'll be angry, but that he'll be hurt or embarrassed in some way. None of the trio have ever openly talked about what's going on, so Ron and Hermione have no idea how he'll react. Maybe this will be discussed in Book 7. Another interesting thing is that the books are told from Harry's POV, so when Ron and Hermione first kiss - if JKR wants to show it to us - Harry will have to be either in the room, or spying on them. I can't wait to see how she's going to work all of this together. She's been telling this romance over seven books and clearly knows exactly how it's going to work out - just one piece of the puzzle left.
Were they already together I can see a kind of reluctance to be too 'couply' around Harry, particularly when they know he's broken it off with Ginny and why. This may change as the book progresses but to be honest such moments are probably only going to be short interludes between challenges for them. Still I'm looking forward to seeing it progress.

Well, Jo did say that we haven't seen the last of Viktor. Maybe he'll be at the wedding? I don't know about that, but hopefully we will see him, and maybe then Ron can clear the air between him and Krum over Hermione. ;)

I'll bet that Ron and Hermione "go for a walk" at the wedding, and Harry goes to find them, and sees them kissing.

I'd love to see them together!!! :p But it seems they'd take a while to have that talk they really need to have in which they should be completely honest to each other ...

That's what I'm not so sure of, if it has then it's happened out of sight for us. The one festering issue I hope is adressed is Hermione's relationship with Viktor. I think from her perspective he's a friend but it's obvious that Ron still feels threatened by him and we still don't know just how Viktor himself feels. During GOF he certainly seemed to display genuine feelings toward her.
Oh, no. Completely forgot about the Krum-factor. Geesh. Just one thing more to hold up the R/H happening. Okay, I take back what I said. Nothing is resolved until Krum is out of the picture and I can't even hope that he will not return because JK said he would. Maybe an early get together is being too hopeful after all although I'll still wish for it. Maybe they will clear it up quickly when Krum comes into the picture. Ron is so irrational in his jealousy though that I very much doubt it. Oh, well, we didn't want all that snogging while they were searching for the Horcruxes anyway, so maybe them getting together at the end is better.

Cheers :tu:

I really hope they get together like soon, I really thought they were going to get together like at the beginning of OotP, and they didn't even at all.

Actually I was pretty dissapointed with OotP in regard to their relationship just because it wasn't focused on at all, and it didn't really make any significant progress in my opinion. At least HBP there were massive steps....in every romantic relationship in the series, because I know Harry Potter doesn't have to have any focus on romance whatsoever, but it's nice. I think OotP didn't have enough, and HBP had maybe a little bit too much....but yea can't wait to see what happens

I'll bet that Ron and Hermione "go for a walk" at the wedding, and Harry goes to find them, and sees them kissing.

You got it!

Here is another thing to consider:

1. Arthur and Molly eloped. They did not wait because they were made for each other.
2. Many people did during the last war.
3. Ron thought that Bill/Fleur, having dated a year, was long enough to get married.
4. Ron mentioned "popping the question" and "announcing their engagement" in two unrelated situations.
5. Ron is impulsive and Hermione is logical. Where is the logic in waiting for marriage when you are made for each other and you don't know if you will live to see the next week or not due to the war?

Maybe Krum will be at the wedding because Fleur invited him for some kind of nostalgic get-the-living-champions-together/reunion kinda thing

Maybe Krum will be at the wedding because Fleur invited him for some kind of nostalgic get-the-living-champions-together/reunion kinda thing

lol, maybe so. Fleur's invitation to Krum: So I felt that since you're still living and all... do you want to come?

It's weird, I can't really see how H&R are going to get together amidst all the searching ro Horcruxes, and death... and stuff. Because obviously in book7 the death toll is only going to increase, and that's not exactly romantic is it?

The only chance i can see is right at the beginning of the book before things get too weird, maybe they'll end up sharing a room somewhere *wink wink* lol, I didnt actually mean like that, but that would put them in close quarters so they might actually have to talk about what they think..about eachother, am I making sense? Either way it's going to be pretty difficult trying to keep up a relationship in those circumstances, but they should mkae the most of it because who knoooows who JKR is going to kill off.

lol, maybe so. Fleur's invitation to Krum: So I felt that since you're still living and all... do you want to come?

Hahahahaha... :rotfl:

Anyway, I don't think Krum will get in the way of Ron and Hermione - they both know they like each other, and it would be stupid to say otherwise especially with Voldemort running around with his Death Eaters, avada kedavra'ing anyone who gets in the way.

We'll probably see them get together in the beginning of the book, in that little pre-Hogwarts part (though, this time it may be pre-Horcrux-search part). I have a funny feeling that at one point or another, Harry's just going to walk in on the two of them...this is one of the few things I'm 99.999% sure about. Hehe.

Since we know from JKR that Krum will turn up in Book 7, I think he will play a part in Ron and Hermione getting together as a couple. Ron and Hermione have unfinished business regarding Krum, and whether he attends the wedding or appears later in the story, he will spark a discussion (more likely an argument) between Ron and Hermione that will clear the air and allow them to acknowledge their feelings for each other.

I also think Krum will have some information about horcruxes since he attended a school that specialized in the Dark Arts, and he'll share that information with Harry - maybe through Hermione.

Since we know from JKR that Krum will turn up in Book 7, I think he will play a part in Ron and Hermione getting together as a couple. Ron and Hermione have unfinished business regarding Krum, and whether he attends the wedding or appears later in the story, he will spark a discussion (more likely an argument) between Ron and Hermione that will clear the air and allow them to acknowledge their feelings for each other.
I agree with this, Krum will probably be the final factor in Ron and Hermione getting together.
I also think Krum will have some information about horcruxes since he attended a school that specialized in the Dark Arts, and he'll share that information with Harry - maybe through Hermione.
I'm thinking something of this possibilty, that Krum will have some information on something of the Horcrux's, maybe the old headmaster knew something about Voldemorts or something, we can only speculate.

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Since we know from JKR that Krum will turn up in Book 7, I think he will play a part in Ron and Hermione getting together as a couple. Ron and Hermione have unfinished business regarding Krum, and whether he attends the wedding or appears later in the story, he will spark a discussion (more likely an argument) between Ron and Hermione that will clear the air and allow them to acknowledge their feelings for each other.


I agree with this, Krum will probably be the final factor in Ron and Hermione getting together.

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I also think Krum will have some information about horcruxes since he attended a school that specialized in the Dark Arts, and he'll share that information with Harry - maybe through Hermione.


I'm thinking something of this possibilty, that Krum will have some information on something of the Horcrux's, maybe the old headmaster knew something about Voldemorts or something, we can only speculate.

I also agree that Krum will be a factor in Ron and Hermione truly getting together. And also, about Krum knowing something about Horcruxes. His old headmaster was a DE so maybe he knew something that he told Krum. Karkaroff was always fond of Krum.

Here is another thing to consider:

1. Arthur and Molly eloped. They did not wait because they were made for each other.
2. Many people did during the last war.
3. Ron thought that Bill/Fleur, having dated a year, was long enough to get married.
4. Ron mentioned "popping the question" and "announcing their engagement" in two unrelated situations.
5. Ron is impulsive and Hermione is logical. Where is the logic in waiting for marriage when you are made for each other and you don't know if you will live to see the next week or not due to the war?
All good points save for one issue, as things stand right now Ron doesn't seem to have the self confidence to make such a move, Harry might were their roles reversed but I doubt Ron would at this point. We may yet see something of the sort come about when things are a bit more open between them though :p.

It's weird, I can't really see how H&R are going to get together amidst all the searching ro Horcruxes, and death... and stuff. Because obviously in book7 the death toll is only going to increase, and that's not exactly romantic is it?
I don't think they'll get together in quite that meaning of the phrase but I do think that they, like Harry and Ginny, will finally acknowledge just what they mean to each other even if they put the smoochies (I love that word :eyebrows:) on hold for now.

The only chance i can see is right at the beginning of the book before things get too weird, maybe they'll end up sharing a room somewhere *wink wink* lol, I didnt actually mean like that, but that would put them in close quarters so they might actually have to talk about what they think..about eachother, am I making sense? Either way it's going to be pretty difficult trying to keep up a relationship in those circumstances, but they should mkae the most of it because who knoooows who JKR is going to kill off.
That could work, actually I thought that was exactly what did happen with their enforced hospital stay at the end of OOTP.

I think somethings going to happen either before or during the Horcrux quest that gives Ron the self-confidence, like fast acting spellwork saving Harry and Hermione from more of the nefarius things lurking around LV's Horcrux's.

At which point, he will start working towards his end goal in his head as Harry did in HBP, culminating in Hermione getting ingured from a DE and Ron dropping the DE alone and by himself, somethingg he has never done before, then he will ask if Hermiones ok, pull her up, and plant a big, wet whiskery kiss on her smackers :p

I think somethings going to happen either during the Horcrux quest, where ron has to sacrifice just like the chess puzzle in PS/ss. Then he will acknowledge his feeling to hermione, and kiss good bye before he go and died.

I too personally hope we don't have to wait to long for those to bring it out in the open that they care deeply for each other. Something will spark the interest in each of them and then you know it they won't stop. Yes they are opposties, for e.g. when Ron accused Crookshanks of eating Scabbers the two of them were arguing about that for days. Then apologies came around and the two made up and continued to share their bond of friendship. Hopefully they'll continue on as the unique couple they are in the next book.

If the whole "I'm dying, so I'll chose this moment to confess my undying love for you" thing does happen, I will be seriously upset. Besides, this would be way to cliche, and way to reminiscent of Star Wars (yeah, I know that Han doesn't die).
I'm still positive that they'll get it together at the wedding.

No offense to Deevo or anyone else who thought it, but I never liked the theory that Ron and Hermione were already together but "hiding" their relationship. I just don't think they would do that to Harry. For one thing, when they get finally together, Ron is going to be over the moon with happiness and I can't see him wanting to hide it from any one, least of all Harry.

Harry will be the first person they tell and they will tell him soon after it happens - either that or he will witness it. Personally, I hope he witnesses it so we can witness it too!

I think they will get together in the beginning of the book. The wedding is a good possibility. I also think there will some catalyst to bring it about. Ron came out his relationship with Lavender more mature and more confident and he and Hermione were very close at the end of HBP but I think he still has some issues to work out. First off, they have to deal with the whole Lavender thing. He may now be worried that Hermione won't love him back because of him hurting her like that. Second, Krum is still an issue. Ron is threatened by Hermione's friendship with Krum. That has to be dealt with as well.

I've been thinking for a while that Krum would be a guest at the wedding and that would be the catalyst for Ron and Hermione to finally get together. I wonder what would happen if Krum showed up with a girlfriend?

I like the idea that Krum might know something about Horcruxes. Durmstrang actually taught the students the Dark Arts so it is possible that he knows about them. That could also be a catalyst - Krum helping them look for them.

No offense to Deevo or anyone else who thought it, but I never liked the theory that Ron and Hermione were already together but "hiding" their relationship. I just don't think they would do that to Harry. For one thing, when they get finally together, Ron is going to be over the moon with happiness and I can't see him wanting to hide it from any one, least of all Harry.

Harry will be the first person they tell and they will tell him soon after it happens - either that or he will witness it. Personally, I hope he witnesses it so we can witness it too!
Though it's a tad redundant now I'd just like to clarify that while I thought they were already a couple at the end of OOTP I didn't think they were so much hiding it as keeping to themselves initially because Harry was behaving like such a prat and at the end out of deferance to his loss. Were the situation different I've no doubt he would have been the first to know. Like I said that's all redundant now as it didn't materialise that way.

I think they will get together in the beginning of the book. The wedding is a good possibility. I also think there will some catalyst to bring it about. Ron came out his relationship with Lavender more mature and more confident and he and Hermione were very close at the end of HBP but I think he still has some issues to work out.
Pretty much what I've been thinking.

First off, they have to deal with the whole Lavender thing. He may now be worried that Hermione won't love him back because of him hurting her like that.
Actually that's a good point and one I've not given much thought to, must be because I'm a guy :evil:. I figured the whole Lavender lip trip issue was pretty straightforwardly over but we never really got to see any closure from Hermione's side of it.

Second, Krum is still an issue. Ron is threatened by Hermione's friendship with Krum. That has to be dealt with as well.
:agree: Oh definately, it's the one issue that I've thought to be a crucial one. Still with the whole Lavender episode it does even up their relationship now and adds some more commonality to their situations. Now if only they'd talk about it. :sigh:.

I've been thinking for a while that Krum would be a guest at the wedding and that would be the catalyst for Ron and Hermione to finally get together. I wonder what would happen if Krum showed up with a girlfriend?
I quite like the idea of Viktor as a wedding guest, I really like his character as he seems a pretty decent sort of chap but a girlfriend (or wife as early marriage seems to be popular in the wizarding world) could make for an interesting meeting, especially if she's not immediately recognised for who she is :eyebrows:.

I like the idea that Krum might know something about Horcruxes. Durmstrang actually taught the students the Dark Arts so it is possible that he knows about them. That could also be a catalyst - Krum helping them look for them.
Like I said I like Viktor, he seems a nice guy and his background and education at Durmstrang would make him a useful ally for Harry. Too bad we have to wait a couple of years to find out.

yay for Ron and Hermione randomly showing up married :rotfl:

I agree that the wedding would be an excellent time for them to hook it up. However, that isn't very exciting ...

Okay. They meet up at Grimmald Place, and Draco in there, hiding. We can see why Ron hates him so much, since Draco did almost kill him last year, but of course Hermione *would* insist on treating him like a human being, becuase she's just like that (Kreacher). Ron becomes paralyzed with jealousy because he detects the genuine yet really unsavory crush Draco has had on Hermione since 4th year. THAT'S when Ron and Hermione fight, and THEN she makes her move...

I like the idea that Krum might know something about Horcruxes. Durmstrang actually taught the students the Dark Arts so it is possible that he knows about them. That could also be a catalyst - Krum helping them look for them.

That's what I think - the romantic in me likes the thought of Krum a guest at the wedding, then a big fight with Ron, then Ron and Hermione realize they really love each other, but luckily JKR is a better writer than that.

Krum helping with the horcruxes is more like JKR's style, and I think he'll be the catalyst to get Ron and Hermione together.

No offense to Deevo or anyone else who thought it, but I never liked the theory that Ron and Hermione were already together but "hiding" their relationship. I just don't think they would do that to Harry. For one thing, when they get finally together, Ron is going to be over the moon with happiness and I can't see him wanting to hide it from any one, least of all Harry.

Harry will be the first person they tell and they will tell him soon after it happens - either that or he will witness it. Personally, I hope he witnesses it so we can witness it too!

I think they will get together in the beginning of the book. The wedding is a good possibility. I also think there will some catalyst to bring it about. Ron came out his relationship with Lavender more mature and more confident and he and Hermione were very close at the end of HBP but I think he still has some issues to work out. First off, they have to deal with the whole Lavender thing. He may now be worried that Hermione won't love him back because of him hurting her like that. Second, Krum is still an issue. Ron is threatened by Hermione's friendship with Krum. That has to be dealt with as well.

I've been thinking for a while that Krum would be a guest at the wedding and that would be the catalyst for Ron and Hermione to finally get together. I wonder what would happen if Krum showed up with a girlfriend?

I like the idea that Krum might know something about Horcruxes. Durmstrang actually taught the students the Dark Arts so it is possible that he knows about them. That could also be a catalyst - Krum helping them look for them.

I completely agree with your thoughts and opinions. I don't even have to write anymore, you basically said it all.

But as for Ron and Hermione being a couple at the end of OotP, I never thought about it. And like you, I don't think they would hide it from Harry. Plus, Harry kind of knows now that they like each other so maybe he will also play a factor in the two of them getting together. I hope they discuss their feelings for each other at the wedding. That'd be a good time, people getting married, watching them, Ron could pick up some tips for when it's his big day with hermione. :tu:

It's weird, I can't really see how H&R are going to get together amidst all the searching ro Horcruxes, and death... and stuff. Because obviously in book7 the death toll is only going to increase, and that's not exactly romantic is it?

The only chance i can see is right at the beginning of the book before things get too weird, maybe they'll end up sharing a room somewhere *wink wink* lol, I didnt actually mean like that, but that would put them in close quarters so they might actually have to talk about what they think..about eachother, am I making sense? Either way it's going to be pretty difficult trying to keep up a relationship in those circumstances, but they should mkae the most of it because who knoooows who JKR is going to kill off.
yeah but them in a dissapearing closet or something!!!

If the whole "I'm dying, so I'll chose this moment to confess my undying love for you" thing does happen, I will be seriously upset.

Me too, but I've had a very bad feeling since the end of HBP that that's just what could happen...

Do you think that maybe Ginny knows how Hermoine feels? Ginny said in HBP that Hermoine had given her advice about Harry, maybe Ginny has given Hermoine advice about Ron.

That would lead to a possible wedding scenario: Ginny and Harry are having a good time together (not really thinking about wether or not they are "officially" together or not) and get talking about R/Hr. Being the adorable couple they are, they work up a way to get R/Hr dancing or something - where they either kiss or profess their love! Awww...

That could be a really happy point in the beginning of the story - esp. for the Weasleys. Bill is married, Ginny and Harry are together, & Ron and Hermoine are now together.


I also think Ron felt he needed some experience with girls before asking Hermoine out. She did date Krum after all (who, in Ron's eyes would be big shoes to fill) and there was McClaggen at Slughorn's party, etc. Now that he's finished wrestling with Lavender, I think he feels he can move on to Hermoine with some confidence.

As far as Ron being afraid Hermoine won't love him back after the Lavender fiasco, does anybody remember Hermoine's comments before Slughorn's party? "I only date good Quidditch players." And the flock of canaries? She was pretty mean to him too. I'd say they were even! :love:

Do you think that maybe Ginny knows how Hermoine feels? Ginny said in HBP that Hermoine had given her advice about Harry, maybe Ginny has given Hermoine advice about Ron.
It'd be the type of thing she'd do.

That would lead to a possible wedding scenario: Ginny and Harry are having a good time together (not really thinking about wether or not they are "officially" together or not) and get talking about R/Hr. Being the adorable couple they are, they work up a way to get R/Hr dancing or something - where they either kiss or profess their love! Awww...
Actually I can see a scenario where Hermione and Ron, knowing about Harry and Ginny's 'seperation' are a bit reluctant to be too 'couply' around them and Harry and Ginny get fed up with this and contrive to get them together in some manner.

That could be a really happy point in the beginning of the story - esp. for the Weasleys. Bill is married, Ginny and Harry are together, & Ron and Hermoine are now together.
Could be interesting at that. :eyebrows:

I also think Ron felt he needed some experience with girls before asking Hermoine out. She did date Krum after all (who, in Ron's eyes would be big shoes to fill) and there was McClaggen at Slughorn's party, etc. Now that he's finished wrestling with Lavender, I think he feels he can move on to Hermoine with some confidence.
Maybe, it's clear that Jo thought he needed toe experience before he could move on, as for Ron I personally thought it was just another display of his insecurities.

As far as Ron being afraid Hermoine won't love him back after the Lavender fiasco, does anybody remember Hermoine's comments before Slughorn's party? "I only date good Quidditch players." And the flock of canaries? She was pretty mean to him too. I'd say they were even! :love:
Agreed, that was pretty spiteful but then Hermione can be a pretty spiteful girl at times, Just ask Rita :evil:.

What they need to do above everything else is talk and Harry and Ginny, being the closest people to them and having made their own peace so to speak would be in a good position to nudge things along. Actually given that in HBP we've seen Harry as a supporter of his friends where in previous books he's been needing their support more he and Ginny would be well placed to do just that. However it comes about it'll add some much needed light to what'll be a dark book otherwise.

Though it's a tad redundant now I'd just like to clarify that while I thought they were already a couple at the end of OOTP I didn't think they were so much hiding it as keeping to themselves initially because Harry was behaving like such a prat and at the end out of deferance to his loss. Were the situation different I've no doubt he would have been the first to know. Like I said that's all redundant now as it didn't materialise that way.

Yeah, it's redundent now but I never liked that theory. I just don't think they would hide something that important from Harry even if he was being a prat. He wasn't a prat through the whole book - not to them anyway.

This is how I look at it. Ron and Hermione are a couple and have been for years. The problem is that THEY don't know they are a couple. ;) The only thing left is for them to realize it and admit their feelings.

Pretty much what I've been thinking.

Another possibility that someone else mentioned is that they could be forced to live in close quarters when they start searching for the Horcruxes. I like that idea as well. They're going to the Dursleys - I can't see the Dursleys being hospitable enough to offer Hermione the guest room. They may all have to sleep in Harry's room. Where are they going to stay when they go to Godric's Hollow? The Potter's house was destroyed. There are a lot of possibilities there.

Actually that's a good point and one I've not given much thought to, must be because I'm a guy :evil:. I figured the whole Lavender lip trip issue was pretty straightforwardly over but we never really got to see any closure from Hermione's side of it.

The Lavender lip trip was more complicated I think. I think there was more to it than making Hermione jealous. I don't think Ron actually believed he could make Hermione jealous until it actually happened. I think it was a combination of being hurt and angry because he found out Hermione and Krum kissed, feeling bad about himself in general (particularly regarding Quidditch), and being hurt and angry because he thought Hermione didn't believe he could play Quidditch well without Felix Felicis. Lavender flirted with him and complimented him and her timing was perfect. She caught him at a low point when he was hurt and angry and her attention made him feel better.

:agree: Oh definately, it's the one issue that I've thought to be a crucial one. Still with the whole Lavender episode it does even up their relationship now and adds some more commonality to their situations. Now if only they'd talk about it. :sigh:.

Absolutely. That is the key to everything. They need to talk about everything that's happened.

I quite like the idea of Viktor as a wedding guest, I really like his character as he seems a pretty decent sort of chap but a girlfriend (or wife as early marriage seems to be popular in the wizarding world) could make for an interesting meeting, especially if she's not immediately recognised for who she is :eyebrows:.

Like I said I like Viktor, he seems a nice guy and his background and education at Durmstrang would make him a useful ally for Harry. Too bad we have to wait a couple of years to find out.

JKR did say that Viktor would be back. We just don't know when, where, or how.

I agree with those who said that Viktor could have a part in it.

Ron feels jealous again of Krum, thinking that he did kiss Hermione. Ron doesn't want Krum messing things up, so he asks Hermione...

I think the next major problem thats going to come this way is going be Harry.
Its the classic scenario of two best friends getting together the other one feeling left out..

Sorry I dont have qoute but Harry thinks in on of the books that if they get together they would no longer hang around with him. We all know about harrys CAPLOCK ANGER that shows itself, we may see it again.

Or possibly Harry right at the end will leave the two alone maybe pull a Dumbledore and stun them so they dont get involved.

I think the next major problem thats going to come this way is going be Harry.
Its the classic scenario of two best friends getting together the other one feeling left out..

Sorry I dont have qoute but Harry thinks in on of the books that if they get together they would no longer hang around with him. We all know about harrys CAPLOCK ANGER that shows itself, we may see it again.

Or possibly Harry right at the end will leave the two alone maybe pull a Dumbledore and stun them so they dont get involved.

Harry shows some mild concern in HBP when Hermione asks Ron to go to Slughorn's party with her. He worries that, if they were to get together and then break up, it would destroy their friendship. He then considers the possibility of them becoming like Bill and Fleur and getting so wrapped up in each other that he would be pushed to the side. Both are valid concerns but neither will come to pass. Harry decides to simply watch them and see if their behavior towards each other changes.

Another significance, this occurs before he starts dating Ginny. Harry hasn't really had a relationship before. He had one kiss and one date with Cho. This is a whole new experience for him. I think Harry will want Ron and Hermione to be happy. I don't think we're going to see angry moody Harry return just because Ron and Hermione get together.

I think the next major problem thats going to come this way is going be Harry.
Its the classic scenario of two best friends getting together the other one feeling left out..

Sorry I dont have qoute but Harry thinks in on of the books that if they get together they would no longer hang around with him. We all know about harrys CAPLOCK ANGER that shows itself, we may see it again.

Or possibly Harry right at the end will leave the two alone maybe pull a Dumbledore and stun them so they dont get involved.

There's Ginny though, so he'll have her.

I know this sounds really bad and Harry/Ginny shippers may hate me, but i think at the end of book7 Harry will die and either Hermione or Ron will think 'stuff this, lifes too short' or something and will get together.

However, im still clinging to the thread of hope that Harry doesnt die and that everyone lives happily ever after, kinda like star wars but without the ghosts...and yet possibly with ewoks

This is how I look at it. Ron and Hermione are a couple and have been for years. The problem is that THEY don't know they are a couple. ;) The only thing left is for them to realize it and admit their feelings.
:agree: Yup, that's about where I'm at now.

Another possibility that someone else mentioned is that they could be forced to live in close quarters when they start searching for the Horcruxes. I like that idea as well. They're going to the Dursleys - I can't see the Dursleys being hospitable enough to offer Hermione the guest room. They may all have to sleep in Harry's room. Where are they going to stay when they go to Godric's Hollow? The Potter's house was destroyed. There are a lot of possibilities there.
I'm quite looking forward to the final conflict with the Dursleys and having three teenage wizards under their roof at once could make for an interesting series of events, particularly if Ron and Hermione take issue with Vernon and his family for past events. We've seen them show an almost parental protectiveness of Harry in the past and now they're all of age it could prove an interesting conflict.

The Lavender lip trip was more complicated I think. I think there was more to it than making Hermione jealous. I don't think Ron actually believed he could make Hermione jealous until it actually happened. I think it was a combination of being hurt and angry because he found out Hermione and Krum kissed, feeling bad about himself in general (particularly regarding Quidditch), and being hurt and angry because he thought Hermione didn't believe he could play Quidditch well without Felix Felicis. Lavender flirted with him and complimented him and her timing was perfect. She caught him at a low point when he was hurt and angry and her attention made him feel better.
Nice analasys and certainly food for thought. We really do need to have some mutual resolution of both their former attatchments for them to really move on.

Absolutely. That is the key to everything. They need to talk about everything that's happened.
I figure the time for talk is definately upon them. As I said before maybe Harry and Ginny with their newfound perspectives can nudge them along. :eyebrows:

Edited to add:
I know this sounds really bad and Harry/Ginny shippers may hate me, but i think at the end of book7 Harry will die and either Hermione or Ron will think 'stuff this, lifes too short' or something and will get together.

However, im still clinging to the thread of hope that Harry doesnt die and that everyone lives happily ever after, kinda like star wars but without the ghosts...and yet possibly with ewoks
You might find this thread on Your feelings if Harry dies (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=61252) to be of interest then. For the record while I don't see a 'happily ever after' scenario I really doubt that Jo would kill off Harry, Ginny, Ron or Hermione. But that discussion belongs elsewhere. :p

:agree: Yup, that's about where I'm at now.

I'm quite looking forward to the final conflict with the Dursleys and having three teenage wizards under their roof at once could make for an interesting series of events, particularly if Ron and Hermione take issue with Vernon and his family for past events. We've seen them show an almost parental protectiveness of Harry in the past and now they're all of age it could prove an interesting conflict.

It makes you wonder how much Harry has told them. Do Ron and Hermione know that Harry was forced to sleep in the cupboard under the stairs? If they don't, can you imagine their reaction when the find out?

I'm looking forward to seeing how the Dursleys deal with have two wizards who are of age living in their house. I'm still trying to figure out how long they will stay. Dumbledore never said how long Harry has to stay there to "recharge" his protection. Will this final visit have to be until his birthday or can he just stay there for a couple of days and then leave?

Nice analasys and certainly food for thought. We really do need to have some mutual resolution of both their former attatchments for them to really move on.

I figure the time for talk is definately upon them. As I said before maybe Harry and Ginny with their newfound perspectives can nudge them along. :eyebrows:

Oh definitely. I don't know if they'll need much of a nudge at this point. They were so close at the end of HBP. If it hadn't been a funeral, I think it might have happened then.

Does anyone else think that Lavender and Krum will get together? After all, Cho and Michael, the ex's of Harry/Ginny did. Why not match up the ex's of Ron/Hermione? I think Lav/Krum is a good match if for no other reason than to hear her nickname him "Vicky!"

A Lavender/Krum pairing would be...interesting

But where would they get together? Seeing as Krum is out of school, and in another country.

If Jo doesn't put Ron and Hermione together in book 7 though, I really, honestly feel that I will burn the book one page at a time, after I've put it through the paper shredder. Then I shall proceed to throw the ashes into the largest and muddiest river I can find.

Charlie works for the Order recruiting foreign wizards. Charlie was a Quidditch captain and seeker. Let's see, what foreign guy will Charlie have things in common with to strike up a friendship and recruit to the Order? Plus Krum, as far as we know, is a good guy. Yet, he has studied the Dark Arts at Drumstrang. To get a handle on Dark Arts, Hermione needs access to a library of such books.

A funny scenario would be for Charlie to arrive at the Burrow for the wedding. He sees the trio and Ginny at the breakfast table. He says, "Hey, little brother! Guess who I brought to the house? You'll be thrilled!"

In walks Krum, "Hello, Herm-o-ninny."

Hermione blushes, Ron turns purple, Ginny rolls her eyes, and Harry experiences the sensation of "face-palms."

Charlie works for the Order recruiting foreign wizards. Charlie was a Quidditch captain and seeker. Let's see, what foreign guy will Charlie have things in common with to strike up a friendship and recruit to the Order? Plus Krum, as far as we know, is a good guy. Yet, he has studied the Dark Arts at Drumstrang. To get a handle on Dark Arts, Hermione needs access to a library of such books.

A funny scenario would be for Charlie to arrive at the Burrow for the wedding. He sees the trio and Ginny at the breakfast table. He says, "Hey, little brother! Guess who I brought to the house? You'll be thrilled!"

In walks Krum, "Hello, Herm-o-ninny."

Hermione blushes, Ron turns purple, Ginny rolls her eyes, and Harry experiences the sensation of "face-palms."


I hadn't even thought of that! I was thinking that maybe Fleur would invite him to the wedding. I totally forgot about Charlie recruiting foreign wizards. That really would be even better because it could segueway into Krum helping them find out more about Horcruxes.

I think that either Ron will knock Krum out or vice versa. Hermione will get steamed, and Ron will finally decide to do something romantic to make up for it, and that'll be that, and Ron will march happily off to his certain sidekick demise.

I think that since we will see krum again that may be the final straw to push the relationship onwards....i mena it would give ron anothere good kick in the *** and he needs it. I think it will happen in book 7....or maybe after the final battle hermione will look around among everyone and not see ron adnthen all of a sudden he appears and she runs up to him and kisses him out of the blue and finally they get together. either way with as slow as it has been moving between them i guess they both need a swift kick in the rear to get on with it.

Charlie works for the Order recruiting foreign wizards. Charlie was a Quidditch captain and seeker. Let's see, what foreign guy will Charlie have things in common with to strike up a friendship and recruit to the Order? Plus Krum, as far as we know, is a good guy. Yet, he has studied the Dark Arts at Drumstrang. To get a handle on Dark Arts, Hermione needs access to a library of such books.

A funny scenario would be for Charlie to arrive at the Burrow for the wedding. He sees the trio and Ginny at the breakfast table. He says, "Hey, little brother! Guess who I brought to the house? You'll be thrilled!"

In walks Krum, "Hello, Herm-o-ninny."

Hermione blushes, Ron turns purple, Ginny rolls her eyes, and Harry experiences the sensation of "face-palms."
:) That would be worth reading and it could be made all the more humerous because it's highly unlikely that Charlie would be familiar with the Ron - Hermione - Viktor dynamic.

I think that either Ron will knock Krum out or vice versa. Hermione will get steamed, and Ron will finally decide to do something romantic to make up for it, and that'll be that, and Ron will march happily off to his certain sidekick demise.
:no: I really can't see that eventuating for a couple of reasons.

I think Viktor is too nice a guy for that.
I think Ron has well and truly passed that stage.

Things might be somewhat cool between them but by now it seems clear that whatever his (Viktor's) feelings are toward Hermione it's Ron she feels for. Like a few people have already said Viktor could be a tremendous catalyst for getting them to finally acknowledge what's between them.

As for the 'sidekick demise', as I've already stated on other threads I think it's highly unlikely that we'll lose one or more of the foursome (I'm now including Ginny as a part of Harry's core group). Despite this I still doubt we'll see a happily ever after scenario but I really feel these four will make it.

I personally think that Ginny and Harry's Nobility events at the end will last oh about, a week. I cannot imagine for an instant that Ron will not tell Ginny (even if Harry asked him not to) about the Horcruxes. Ginney is too close to all 3 of the trio now, it may as well be a foursome. Ron and Hermione will probally get togather after the wedding. I hope Harry witnesses them getting togather, because I want to see it as well.

I think Ron & Hermione will be a couple at the wedding - and may elope.

Come on - Hermione's always at the Burrow - I don't think it will shock the Weasleys.

Krum will be at Fleur's wedding. Maybe he's better for Luna than Lavender.
Luna lives close by the Burrow - she will probably be there too. Any bets on Cho making a play for Krum?

I wish Luna was cast so we could see what she looks like.

I don't know that Luna would be there...Neither Fleur nor Bill know her, I don't think. So she wouldn't have a reason to come, even if she does live near the Burrow.

I'd like to think Hermione and Ron might be a bit more open about their feelings for each other in the next book now that they have somewhat admitted them at the end of HBP. That doesn’t mean they won’t still fight with each other and act like they hate each other though. But I certainly hope they admit their feelings more openly in the future, and I'm all for seeing a wedding between them in the epilogue. :)

I'd like to think Hermione and Ron might be a bit more open about their feelings for each other in the next book now that they have somewhat admitted them at the end of HBP.
That's my hope too but I don't think they've admitted them as such. They've left off in a similar though stronger position than they did in OOTP with no overt acknowledgement but a very 'couply' feel about them.

That doesn’t mean they won’t still fight with each other and act like they hate each other though. But I certainly hope they admit their feelings more openly in the future, and I'm all for seeing a wedding between them in the epilogue. :)
Ah yes the eternal bickering couple. I don't know if we'll see a wedding by the end of book seven but I'm certain that if Ron and Hermione survive it, they'll definately will be a couple, as will Harry and Ginny. :eyebrows:

Like some here, I'm not to sure about Krum getting together with Luna. But it is possible that she'll come to the wedding. Maybe her dad will write a report about it in the Quibbler and she'll come just for the occasion. She does know the trio, so it's not like she would be completely out of place there.

I don't know about Cho getting together with Krum because I'm guessing she knows about the whole Krum/Hermione thing and she clearly didn't like Hermione in book 5 so I don't see much of a chance that she would date him, or end up married :huh:.

I'm not to sure about the whole Krum/Lavender thing either. What would the chances be of Lavender coming to the wedding? And I don't really think that she would be around the trio, which definetely means she won't be around Krum. So I think he'll find love in some other person. As of now, I don't really think it's important to see Krum with someone, but in the end of the book, it'd be nice to see that he got someone special.

I believe that Hermione and Ron will put Harry and the job of finding the Horcruxes above all else in the next book. I think everyone has pretty much come to the conclusion that Hermione and Ron know that they both care for each other. I just think that their relationship will continue to evolve, but they won't put any significant importance on it until after the final battle. They have more important things to worry about first.

When they finally do get married, and I'm not speculating as to when that will be, I think Ron and Hermione will have a relationship very similar to Arthur and Molly's.

I believe that Hermione and Ron will put Harry and the job of finding the Horcruxes above all else in the next book. I think everyone has pretty much come to the conclusion that Hermione and Ron know that they both care for each other. I just think that their relationship will continue to evolve, but they won't put any significant importance on it until after the final battle. They have more important things to worry about first.
:agree: Pretty much, while that aspect of the story is always entertaining and has lately been a good counterpoint to the darkness of the series I don't believe that their relationship will get in the way of the more important job at hand.

Actually it might be a help in that with their eventual mutual understanding they'll work together much better.

When they finally do get married, and I'm not speculating as to when that will be, I think Ron and Hermione will have a relationship very similar to Arthur and Molly's.
I think that's been telegraphed for a while, especially since Hermione, when appealing to Ron reminded Harry of Molly doing the same with Arthur. I wonder how many kids they'll have (assuming they do wind up surviving the book and together.) :evil:

I don't think Krum/Lavender is likely, since Krum liked Hermione specifically because she wasn't the typical "giggling girl". Krum deserves much better. I can't see him with Luna either - for one thing, there's a huge age difference. Krum will probably be twenty in Book 7, while Luna will be 16 at most.

I think Ron and Hermione will end up "together" in Book 7, but I don't see them getting married for a LONG time yet. From what we saw in HBP, they don't have even close to the emotional maturity needed for a stable long-term relationship. Maybe in five or (more likely) ten years.

Weren't Arthur and Molly 18 when they got married, or am I hallucinating things?

I'd like to think Hermione and Ron might be a bit more open about their feelings for each other in the next book now that they have somewhat admitted them at the end of HBP. That doesn’t mean they won’t still fight with each other and act like they hate each other though. But I certainly hope they admit their feelings more openly in the future, and I'm all for seeing a wedding between them in the epilogue. :)

I'll go out on a limb and say that they were officially an item at the funeral and will in all likelihood publicly declare their relationship at Bill/Fleur's wedding. I think we'll see them pair up near the beginning of the book. I mean, there's really no more groundwork to lay between them; Rowling has officially stretched the Ron/Hermione tension as far as it can go.
And I'm hoping that for Harry's sake, they control their bickering a bit, as that's the last thing Harry needs; 6 books of that was enough :whistle:. I'm not a Ron/Hermione shipper, by any means, but I'm all for seeing a different side to their interactions.

The greenhouse moment between Ron and Hermione give evidence to what they relationslhip will be like after they finally admit their feelings. Ron's voice even becomes much quieter. The next day they were much politer to each other. I think this means that once they are secure in their love, they won't be accidently or on purpose pushing each other's buttons. They will be in sync. So definitely, they will be a couple at the beginning of the book and Bill and Fleur's wedding would be a romantic place to share a first kiss. Probably after the reception, out near the pond. Harry will manage to overhear the whole thing.

So while our heroes are snogging and/or casually overhearing snogging, the Death-Eaters strike at the Burrow. I can't see why Voldy would overlook an opportunity to attack so many good guys all gathered in once place.

Well, Jo did say that we haven't seen the last of Viktor. Maybe he'll be at the wedding? I don't know about that, but hopefully we will see him, and maybe then Ron can clear the air between him and Krum over Hermione. ;)


That will certainly be interesting! And now that I think about it I’d love to read it and later on see it happen.
Well said Durmstrang_DE

I'll go out on a limb and say that they were officially an item at the funeral and will in all likelihood publicly declare their relationship at Bill/Fleur's wedding. I think we'll see them pair up near the beginning of the book. I mean, there's really no more groundwork to lay between them; Rowling has officially stretched the Ron/Hermione tension as far as it can go.
And I'm hoping that for Harry's sake, they control their bickering a bit, as that's the last thing Harry needs; 6 books of that was enough :whistle:. I'm not a Ron/Hermione shipper, by any means, but I'm all for seeing a different side to their interactions.

Well, Ron and Hermione will always bicker to a certain extent but I think we have seen what their relationship will be like once they admit their feelings and stop dancing around it. After they become friends again, there is a HUGE decrease in their bickering. They are more comfortable around each other and stop trying to "push each other's buttons". At this point, they are basically already a couple. They just have to admit it to each other.

So while our heroes are snogging and/or casually overhearing snogging, the Death-Eaters strike at the Burrow. I can't see why Voldy would overlook an opportunity to attack so many good guys all gathered in once place.
A bit off topic, but he'll be busy making Rufus sign his surrender papers here, here, here, and initial here. He may write the Order off now that Dumbledore is gone (he knows from his personal experience how long the Death Eaters managed to keep it going without him. He may forget that the Order is a completely different sort of organization.)
I'll go out on a limb and say that they were officially an item at the funeral and will in all likelihood publicly declare their relationship at Bill/Fleur's wedding. I think we'll see them pair up near the beginning of the book. I mean, there's really no more groundwork to lay between them; Rowling has officially stretched the Ron/Hermione tension as far as it can go.
And I'm hoping that for Harry's sake, they control their bickering a bit, as that's the last thing Harry needs; 6 books of that was enough :whistle:. I'm not a Ron/Hermione shipper, by any means, but I'm all for seeing a different side to their interactions.
I agree, she revealed very many things at the beginning of HBP to set it up for the rest of the novel. Book 7 will be the same, Ron and Hermione will be a couple from the start (chapter 1 or 2, the Wedding Chapter) and the rest of the novel will be them dealing with it.

They'll never stop bickering, but they're slowing down. In HBP, if you don't count all the relationship-related drama, they didn't bicker at all. So once they get their relationship ironed out, they'll move on and only fight occasionally.

IMHO, Ron and Hermione are the most realistic, non cheesy or out of the blue couple, and I'm really looking forward to see them acting like couples do, although we had that coming more and more from the poisoning accident to the very end of the book. I believe they will be very happy together, because they are totally opposites, but they'll complete each other, not fight from now on. Of course they'll argue, but these're those Hepburn/Tracy moments we all love.

A couple thoughts on this topic...

Speaking from personal and "real life" experience (not that we can bet on any such experience in the FICTIONAL world, but...), I think that R/H's long friendship leading up to their romantic relationship will be the fuel for something very much like a runaway train! Because they have already been through so much, and know each other so well, their feelings will run very deep for one another. This could strengthen them like a refining fire--giving them strength, confidence, and the ability to face 'the war' that is before them and Harry. Or, it could be something too big, too deep, and too fast...something that neither of them can hold onto, or control. Something that ultimately fizzles out, or is lost somehow.

R and H have always reminded me of Molly and Arthur, so I hope they have a similar outcome...I didn't. :(

As a loving couple, Ron and Hermione's bickering will become productive debate. They will debate until they find the truth of a matter. They will have two perspectives from which to discern what is the best course of action. Very handy sidekicks to have around, eh Harry?

I'll go out on a limb and say that they were officially an item at the funeral and will in all likelihood publicly declare their relationship at Bill/Fleur's wedding. I think we'll see them pair up near the beginning of the book. I mean, there's really no more groundwork to lay between them; Rowling has officially stretched the Ron/Hermione tension as far as it can go.
Like I said earlier that's the way I felt at the end of OOTP and while I agree with you for the most part I'm not prepared to take it for granted this time around (fool me once Jo :eyebrows:). That and there are still some 'ex' issues that need to be resolved in both directions now. They may well have already done just that but till Harry (and through him the reader) sees it this will remain up in the air.

And I'm hoping that for Harry's sake, they control their bickering a bit, as that's the last thing Harry needs; 6 books of that was enough :whistle:. I'm not a Ron/Hermione shipper, by any means, but I'm all for seeing a different side to their interactions.
Actually they've laid off the squabbling quite a bit since Harry told them off in OOTP. While they may well indulge when he's not around they seem to know that it makes him uncomfortable and show a fair bit of restraint.

I think Ron and Hermione will be putting their relationship on hold. They've got more important things to tend to and they've got to keep their focus. But once Voldy is vanquished, I can see a Harry and Ginny moment after the Quidditch match kind of thing between the two of them. Maybe sooner, though, if one of them is in mortal danger. For example, Hermione is captured by the DE and Ron goes charging after her on his own.

Too many possible scenarios and only JKR knows for sure.

I think Ron and Hermione will be putting their relationship on hold. They've got more important things to tend to and they've got to keep their focus.
That's pretty much what I said in response to DracosAngel05 earlier, I think that while they'll acknowledge their relationship sooner rather than later (well that's my hope anyway :eyebrows:) I doubt it'll get in the way of the serious job at hand.

But once Voldy is vanquished, I can see a Harry and Ginny moment after the Quidditch match kind of thing between the two of them. Maybe sooner, though, if one of them is in mortal danger. For example, Hermione is captured by the DE and Ron goes charging after her on his own.
Actually that's a scenario I can see playing out in book seven, of the foursome Hermione is the most vulnerable. Despite her formidable prowess she does have a tendancy to freeze up a tad in chaotic situations somewhat like Ron on the quidditch pitch. Hopefully this won't be a major detour but you never can tell.

Too many possible scenarios and only JKR knows for sure.
Oh yea. :agree:

Maybe sooner, though, if one of them is in mortal danger. For example, Hermione is captured by the DE and Ron goes charging after her on his own.

Sounds good. There probably won't be anything fluffy going on when that happens but Ron's reaction to Hermione being captured or injured by the villains would be very telling and maybe at that moment, Harry will realize how strong Ron's feelings for Hermione are.

Too many possible scenarios and only JKR knows for sure.

:D. I can't see JKR passing up an opportunity to bring Vicky up in the middle again. What if he attends Bill and Fleur's wedding and causes Ron and Hermione to start fighting again? Maybe that's when Ron decides to tell Hermione how he feels about her.

:D. I can't see JKR passing up an opportunity to bring Vicky up in the middle again. What if he attends Bill and Fleur's wedding and causes Ron and Hermione to start fighting again? Maybe that's when Ron decides to tell Hermione how he feels about her.

Oh dear, yes, I forgot about the "Krum" factor. It really hasn't been resolved yet, has it? *sigh* I can see that scenario you mentioned playing out in my mind as I type. It's bound to happen. Bleh. As long as the Ron/Hermione tension is resolved early on in the book, I'll have no qualms.

I think a terrible thing will nearly happen and they will realize how much they care for each other

I agree with this. There are going to be some tragic events as they hunt down the horcruxes. This will draw them together. Plus, I think that despite what was said in the HBP, Harry and Ginny will still fancy each other and be together, which will give Ron and Hermoine more,,oportune moments.

I just ran accross this while looking up proverbs (it's an old Sicilian proverb):

"Only your real friends will tell you when your face is dirty."

-I'm sure you all know what this made me think of. ;)
... sorry if this is a little off-topic.

Where to from here . . . ? hmmmmmm
I think that by the end of HBP, like at the funeral, they sort of had an understanding. I think we'll see a bit more action (hehe) from them in the beggining of book 7. i don't mean a bunch of snogging or something . . . maybe a bit (wink). I think that they will completely aknowledge their feelings and work out their issues then make sure some how that it doesn't come between their search for the Horcruxes. Keep your fingers crossed! It's really about time something happened!!!

Where to from here . . . ? hmmmmmm
I think that by the end of HBP, like at the funeral, they sort of had an understanding.

I thought this as well, but then I thought they had something going at the end of the OotP with the whole 'we' business at the end as well.

I just want them to get their act together for Harry's sake really. Can you imagine those two bickering in the background while Harry is trying to work out how to kill a soul possessed Horcrux. :p

I just ran accross this while looking up proverbs (it's an old Sicilian proverb):

"Only your real friends will tell you when your face is dirty."

-I'm sure you all know what this made me think of. ;)
... sorry if this is a little off-topic.

:rotfl:

Great stuff.

I just want them to get their act together for Harry's sake really. Can you imagine those two bickering in the background while Harry is trying to work out how to kill a soul possessed Horcrux. :p

*sigh* yes I know what you mean. But I can't picture them not snapping at each other. It's their relationship trademark and their arguments sort of helps them camouflage their feelings for each other. Maybe they'll have a huge fight which they don't resolve and then Hermione gets into trouble with something serious and then Ron realizes that he can't live without her and he tells her how he feels after he rescues her.

Or maybe he tells her at the end that it was the worst moment of his life when he thought he had lost her for good or something and that he loves her.

Sorry, I'm in a very cheesy mood today :D. I'll get the buckets and mops ready for the puking fiesta.

I thought this as well, but then I thought they had something going at the end of the OotP with the whole 'we' business at the end as well.

I just want them to get their act together for Harry's sake really. Can you imagine those two bickering in the background while Harry is trying to work out how to kill a soul possessed Horcrux. :p


I can see that. :rotfl:

Harry studied the locket, looking at it from all angles. How could he destroy it?

Ron: Maybe we could just smash it.

Hermione: That's to risky Ron! It's probably protected by Dark Magic! We could be seriously injured!

Ron: Harry didn't get hurt when he destroyed the diary.

Hermione: Only because Voldemort - stop doing that! (as Ron flinches) - Voldemort wanted the diary to be found and used. The other Horcruxes are bound to be protected by Dark Magic.

Ron: He might not have done that with all of them.

Hermione: Didn't you see what happened to Dumbledore when he destroyed the ring? Do you want to injure yourself like that?

Ron: No. But we have to do something.

Harry: WILL YOU TWO SHUT UP? I'M TRYING TO CONCENTRATE HERE!

Ron and Hermione: Sorry.

:rotfl:

Weren't Arthur and Molly 18 when they got married, or am I hallucinating things?
I think we found out in HBP that Arthur and Molly eloped, bless them, but weren't given a date. They must have been quite young, considering Bill (their eldest) is in his mid-twenties in HBP.

I think they're going to be in the middle of a big argument over God only knows what, and Hermione is going to just grab Ron and lay a lip lock on him. The rest, as they say, will be history....
Yeah, most probably.

*sigh* yes I know what you mean. But I can't picture them not snapping at each other. It's their relationship trademark and their arguments sort of helps them camouflage their feelings for each other. Maybe they'll have a huge fight which they don't resolve and then Hermione gets into trouble with something serious and then Ron realizes that he can't live without her and he tells her how he feels after he rescues her.

Or maybe he tells her at the end that it was the worst moment of his life when he thought he had lost her for good or something and that he loves her.
Cheesy enough but could play out well. We've already seen them 'zone out' from their surroundings somewhat in the greenhouse scene as well as Ron's semi conscious call for her in the hospital after the poisoning. Surely it's time for them to talk, they can't keep dancing around one another forever. :sigh:

Sorry, I'm in a very cheesy mood today :D. I'll get the buckets and mops ready for the puking fiesta.
:no: Not at all, I personally agree with you. I'd love to see some cheese and I think we will too in book seven. Jo has used humour, particularly relationship based, regularly to lighten the overall story. Why stop now?

I can see that. :rotfl:

Harry studied the locket, looking at it from all angles. How could he destroy it?

Ron: Maybe we could just smash it.

Hermione: That's to risky Ron! It's probably protected by Dark Magic! We could be seriously injured!

Ron: Harry didn't get hurt when he destroyed the diary.

Hermione: Only because Voldemort - stop doing that! (as Ron flinches) - Voldemort wanted the diary to be found and used. The other Horcruxes are bound to be protected by Dark Magic.

Ron: He might not have done that with all of them.

Hermione: Didn't you see what happened to Dumbledore when he destroyed the ring? Do you want to injure yourself like that?

Ron: No. But we have to do something.

Harry: WILL YOU TWO SHUT UP? I'M TRYING TO CONCENTRATE HERE!

Ron and Hermione: Sorry.

:rotfl:
That's priceless, and all too likely. :evil:

Weren't Arthur and Molly 18 when they got married, or am I hallucinating things?
I think we found out in HBP that Arthur and Molly eloped, bless them, but weren't given a date. They must have been quite young, considering Bill (their eldest) is in his mid-twenties in HBP.
Historically it's the kind of thing people do in wartime, the conflict creates all kind of pressures that wouldn't normally be present and this can cut through a lot of the uncertainties that usually surround the courting game forcing true feelings to come out a bit more readily. Not that all wartime marriages are successful by any stretch of the imagination but the situation can accellerate the process. Makes me wonder if Hermione and Ron are going to follow the historical precedent and marry sooner rather than later, though probably not before Voldemort's vanquishing at least.

For that matter might we see some of the other students 'hitch up'? :evil:

To tell the truth I think JKR will lead us on a bit more. Even though Harry and Ginny hooked up, it doesn't mean that Ron and Hermione will snog right off the bat. If anything I imagine there will be some incident that will bring them closer together than ever. It just seems a bit...simple to just have half way through the book Ron and Hermione hook up and starting going steady for the rest of the book.

It's just really so fun to see them be arguementative and such. If anything I would imagine their relationship will kinda evolve much like how Harry finally settled with Ginny. Kinda near the final act where they finally acknowledge that they love each other.

If anything I imagine there will be some incident that will bring them closer together than ever.

Like Vicky for instance? :eyebrows:

It's just really so fun to see them be arguementative and such. If anything I would imagine their relationship will kinda evolve much like how Harry finally settled with Ginny. Kinda near the final act where they finally acknowledge that they love each other.

As much as I would love to see Ron and Hermione to get together, even during the first page of the book if that's possible, I'm going to miss those fights they have in order through which they hide their tension. I'm sure they'll keep on snapping at each other like old times even after they start going out, but it just won't be the same. They won't have that post-fight tension like they did after the Yule Ball. They'll probably have fights and end up kissing each other to solve their issues :D. And I think they're relationship had evolved enough in terms of feeling comfortable with each other with their feelings. All they need to do is clear up those minor obstacles like Vicky, Lav-Lav and possibly McLaggen. Book 7 should be fun :D.

As much as I would love to see Ron and Hermione to get together, even during the first page of the book if that's possible, I'm going to miss those fights they have in order through which they hide their tension. I'm sure they'll keep on snapping at each other like old times even after they start going out, but it just won't be the same. They won't have that post-fight tension like they did after the Yule Ball. They'll probably have fights and end up kissing each other to solve their issues :D. And I think they're relationship had evolved enough in terms of feeling comfortable with each other with their feelings. All they need to do is clear up those minor obstacles like Vicky, Lav-Lav and possibly McLaggen. Book 7 should be fun :D.

Seriously. The way that Ron fights with Hermione makes me think that he has an Oedipus complex. When Hermione scolds Ron for stuff he did, it seems awfully similar to Mrs. Weasley.

But I don't know. I think all the stuff with McLaggen, Lav Lav etc. has been rectified. It seems that relationships last for only one book with no or even minimal backlash in the following installment. Even though Cho appeared in HBP, the complications of her and Harry being together didn't exactly take center stage.

Seriously. The way that Ron fights with Hermione makes me think that he has an Oedipus complex. When Hermione scolds Ron for stuff he did, it seems awfully similar to Mrs. Weasley.

I wouldn't exactly call it a complex because aside from Freudian theories, Ron and Hermione compliment each other perfectly in terms of personality and their bickering just sort of improves their relationship IMO. It's their way of venting out their hidden feelings. Plus it's so much fun reading about their never ending issues on the most trivial of matters :D. Anyway I shouldn't complain. The sooner they get together, the better.

But I don't know. I think all the stuff with McLaggen, Lav Lav etc. has been rectified. It seems that relationships last for only one book with no or even minimal backlash in the following installment. Even though Cho appeared in HBP, the complications of her and Harry being together didn't exactly take center stage.

That's true. Ok maybe Lav-Lav and McLaggen are out of the picture but what about Vicky? Maybe Ron's finally going to crack and break Vicky's nose, then Hermione or someone else will put a stop to all this thus leading Ron to confess his feelings for Hermione. And then Vicky has a moment of sadness until he hooks up with Aunt Muriel. Now that's priceless.

And then Vicky has a moment of sadness until he hooks up with Aunt Muriel. Now that's priceless

:eyebrows:

Personally I think it would be hilarious if Vicky turned out to be a Death Eater (though I highly doubt it). I would love to see him and Ron go at it.

I really don't think we are going to see a lot of a R/Hr romance. We might see little bits here and there, but not much more. JKR got the romance stuff out of the way on HBP for a reason.

A Lavender/Krum pairing would be...interesting

But where would they get together? Seeing as Krum is out of school, and in another country.

If Jo doesn't put Ron and Hermione together in book 7 though, I really, honestly feel that I will burn the book one page at a time, after I've put it through the paper shredder. Then I shall proceed to throw the ashes into the largest and muddiest river I can find.
lamao

well i hope they get together in a random spontanous way like H/G because that would be really much like JK to do that. i would love it if they got together like in the middle of the fight like they start a fight over something then they admit there feelings for each other then continue the fight, i think even if they get together they'll still fight thats part of their relationship when the get together there stil gunna fight, thats what i think.

i definately sub-consiously they are together just a matter of getting a date or a kiss or something arranged!!

To tell the truth I think JKR will lead us on a bit more. Even though Harry and Ginny hooked up, it doesn't mean that Ron and Hermione will snog right off the bat. If anything I imagine there will be some incident that will bring them closer together than ever. It just seems a bit...simple to just have half way through the book Ron and Hermione hook up and starting going steady for the rest of the book.

It's just really so fun to see them be arguementative and such. If anything I would imagine their relationship will kinda evolve much like how Harry finally settled with Ginny. Kinda near the final act where they finally acknowledge that they love each other.

I agree. Romances are always more fun during the actual "falling in love" stage, than when the couples are together. That's why so many romance novels end with the couples getting together, rather than start with that.

That's true. Ok maybe Lav-Lav and McLaggen are out of the picture but what about Vicky? Maybe Ron's finally going to crack and break Vicky's nose, then Hermione or someone else will put a stop to all this thus leading Ron to confess his feelings for Hermione. And then Vicky has a moment of sadness until he hooks up with Aunt Muriel. Now that's priceless.

I think that Victor is out of the picture entirely. I mean he wasn't mentioned in HBP, and only slightly via pen pals in OoTP. I mean it's easy enough to reintroduce him, but considering that someone like Fleur had more mention in the two books than Krum possibly in the entire series, I imagine that Krum is out of the picture in terms of wooing Hermione. If Harry's fling with Cho was so small in HBP, then I would imagine the even shorter relationship (if any) between Krum and Hermione as supporting characters shouldn't be covered in too much detail. I'm sure their friendship is as platonic as Hermione is with Harry.

I think that Victor is out of the picture entirely. I mean he wasn't mentioned in HBP, and only slightly via pen pals in OoTP. I mean it's easy enough to reintroduce him, but considering that someone like Fleur had more mention in the two books than Krum possibly in the entire series, I imagine that Krum is out of the picture in terms of wooing Hermione. If Harry's fling with Cho was so small in HBP, then I would imagine the even shorter relationship (if any) between Krum and Hermione as supporting characters shouldn't be covered in too much detail. I'm sure their friendship is as platonic as Hermione is with Harry.

Oh no I wasn't implying that Vicky's still a hindrance between Ron and Hermione's relationship and you're absoultely right about Hermione's thing with him as not all that serious. But chances are that he'll make an appearance and Ron's insecurites, more like foolishness, kicks in again and then he might make an issue out of it. It might be his last fight with Hermione concerning romantic issues, which will result with the pair of them FINALLY bringing their feelings out in the open :D. There are many scenarios that JKR can use to bring them together and the Vicky-Hermione-Ron triangle seems like a fine way to make it happen IMO.

Personally I think it would be hilarious if Vicky turned out to be a Death Eater (though I highly doubt it). I would love to see him and Ron go at it.
I really doubt that'll eventuate, I still feel that Viktor is basically an OK sort of guy. An interesting alternative scenario could be he and Ron teaming up to take down a former classmate of his from Durmstrang who is a death eater. It would be interesting to see them forced to work together before their issues regarding Hermione are resolved.

I really don't think we are going to see a lot of a R/Hr romance. We might see little bits here and there, but not much more. JKR got the romance stuff out of the way on HBP for a reason.
I don't think we've seen 'a lot' of romance in the books all told. Still I hope Jo includes some moments as it really does lighten the mood.

I think that Victor is out of the picture entirely. I mean he wasn't mentioned in HBP, and only slightly via pen pals in OoTP. I mean it's easy enough to reintroduce him, but considering that someone like Fleur had more mention in the two books than Krum possibly in the entire series, I imagine that Krum is out of the picture in terms of wooing Hermione. If Harry's fling with Cho was so small in HBP, then I would imagine the even shorter relationship (if any) between Krum and Hermione as supporting characters shouldn't be covered in too much detail. I'm sure their friendship is as platonic as Hermione is with Harry.
I'm sure it is from Hermione's perspective at least but the question is does Viktor know this? It seemed in GOF he had some pretty genuine feelings for Hermione I wonder if she was able then or since to tell him she wasn't interested in him that way. Like Ron had some difficulty walking away from Lavender I wonder if Hermione might have a similar problem with Viktor.

It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Oh no I wasn't implying that Vicky's still a hindrance between Ron and Hermione's relationship and you're absoultely right about Hermione's thing with him as not all that serious. But chances are that he'll make an appearance and Ron's insecurites, more like foolishness, kicks in again and then he might make an issue out of it. It might be his last fight with Hermione concerning romantic issues, which will result with the pair of them FINALLY bringing their feelings out in the open :D. There are many scenarios that JKR can use to bring them together and the Vicky-Hermione-Ron triangle seems like a fine way to make it happen IMO.
Could be a good one at that. They need some sort of catalyst to force them 'out of the closet' so to speak and Viktor seems the most likely.

Oh no I wasn't implying that Vicky's still a hindrance between Ron and Hermione's relationship and you're absoultely right about Hermione's thing with him as not all that serious. But chances are that he'll make an appearance and Ron's insecurites, more like foolishness, kicks in again and then he might make an issue out of it. It might be his last fight with Hermione concerning romantic issues, which will result with the pair of them FINALLY bringing their feelings out in the open :D. There are many scenarios that JKR can use to bring them together and the Vicky-Hermione-Ron triangle seems like a fine way to make it happen IMO.

I agree. Plus, JKR did say that Krum would show up again. I think that could be the catalyst that gets Ron to finally admit his feelings to Hermione. I don't think Ron would actually get into a fight with Krum. More likely he will say or do something stupid and get into an argument with Hermione like they did at the Yule Ball. But this time, since they are both older and understand what they are feeling, the outcome will be different and they will admit their feelings to each other.

Either way, the issues of Krum and Lav-Lav will have to be dealt with before they can move forward. I don't think JKR is going to focus on romance too much in book 7. I think Ron and Hermione will get together and eventually Harry and Ginny will get back together but I don't think we're going to have another "Snogwarts". I hope she gives us some good stuff in the epilogue though. ;)

I think we found out in HBP that Arthur and Molly eloped, bless them, but weren't given a date. They must have been quite young, considering Bill (their eldest) is in his mid-twenties in HBP.

Also, Ginny states that they rushed into marriage, but Arthur & Molly clearly were together at Hogwarts. They must have gotten married shortly thereafter if Ginny thinks it is rushed. ("Rushed" to a 15 year old actually is really telling: at that age, 6 months seems a long time!)

I agree. Plus, JKR did say that Krum would show up again. I think that could be the catalyst that gets Ron to finally admit his feelings to Hermione. I don't think Ron would actually get into a fight with Krum. .... Either way, the issues of Krum and Lav-Lav will have to be dealt with before they can move forward.

You are correct that JKR promised more Krum. This is why I suspect an Eastern European, perhaps Albanian, Horcrux location.

I was under the impression that they were together at the end. I mean, they are not going to have their big "lay it on the line" scene with Harry present. (And I really do not need to read it, thanks..... bleah!)

Also, do they really need to deal with the exes? That is the past: neither of them are involved with those people anymore.

Either way, the issues of Krum and Lav-Lav will have to be dealt with before they can move forward. I don't think JKR is going to focus on romance too much in book 7. I think Ron and Hermione will get together and eventually Harry and Ginny will get back together but I don't think we're going to have another "Snogwarts". I hope she gives us some good stuff in the epilogue though.

Yeah I couldn't handle another Harry Potter and the Snogfest of Doom books.

You are correct that JKR promised more Krum. This is why I suspect an Eastern European, perhaps Albanian, Horcrux location.

That's not a bad idea. Someone else suggested that Krum might show up to help with the search because Durmstrang actually taught Dark Arts so he might know more about them.

I was under the impression that they were together at the end. I mean, they are not going to have their big "lay it on the line" scene with Harry present. (And I really do not need to read it, thanks..... bleah!)

No, they weren't together at the end. Not officially. They are almost there - they just need a little nudge. I think JKR will have Harry witness it in some way - either he will walk in on them or it will just happen in front of him - like Harry kissing Ginny in the common room in front of everyone. JKR's put too much into the relationship to just have Ron come up and say "Oh, by the way Harry. Hermione and I are dating now" and that be it.

Also, do they really need to deal with the exes? That is the past: neither of them are involved with those people anymore.

Yes, they need to deal with the exes. Hermione still doesn't know that Ron started dating Lavender because he found out she kissed Krum. Ron doesn't know the whole story behind that. If they don't talk about it, those things could come between them.

You are correct that JKR promised more Krum. This is why I suspect an Eastern European, perhaps Albanian, Horcrux location.

And there goes Wimsey bursting my bubble :grumble:. I was hoping that Vicky would attend Bill and Fleur's wedding. *sigh*. One can't have everything I suppose......

I was under the impression that they were together at the end

I won't get my hopes up because there was a time when I thought that Ron and Hermione were dating in secret, but alas.....

I want it to be in detail when they make it official :D.

I think a terrible thing will nearly happen and they will realize how much they care for each other

That's the same ideea I have, but I still want to pretend that they will probably come out and admit it at Bill and Fleur's wedding :eyebrows:

I was under the impression that they were together at the end. I mean, they are not going to have their big "lay it on the line" scene with Harry present. (And I really do not need to read it, thanks..... bleah!)
Like I said at the start I had that impression at the end of OOTP so I'm not going to assume anything till it's either in writing or in an interview. Besides if their 'lay it on the line' scene occurs with a blazing row nearby Harry it could be some major comical relief. I'd quite like to see that. :eyebrows:

Also, do they really need to deal with the exes? That is the past: neither of them are involved with those people anymore.
Again they could have been dealt with 'offscreen', we'll have to wait to be sure though. As things stand right now we just don't know and if they haven't resolved the issue it could remain a festering one between them.

I was under the impression that they were together at the end
I won't get my hopes up because there was a time when I thought that Ron and Hermione were dating in secret, but alas.....
Right there with you, fool me once Jo ...

I want it to be in detail when they make it official :D.
:agree:

Like I said at the start I had that impression at the end of OOTP so I'm not going to assume anything till it's either in writing or in an interview. Besides if their 'lay it on the line' scene occurs with a blazing row nearby Harry it could be some major comical relief.

Ah, but I was not under that impression!


Again they could have been dealt with 'offscreen', we'll have to wait to be sure though. As things stand right now we just don't know and if they haven't resolved the issue it could remain a festering one between them.

Surely they would not do it in front of Harry. I mean, that is not the kind of discussion that you have in public.

As for myself, I have no wish to be there. Nothing against Ron & Hermione: they seem like a cute pair. However, I have a lot of friends who are cute pairs, and I never wanted to see them hook up, either.

Harry will probably just walk in on them snogging at some point.

And there goes Wimsey bursting my bubble :grumble:. I was hoping that Vicky would attend Bill and Fleur's wedding. *sigh*. One can't have everything I suppose......

Sorry about that: bubble bursting is an unfortunate side effect of me.

But why would Krum attend the wedding of people he does not really know?


I won't get my hopes up because there was a time when I thought that Ron and Hermione were dating in secret, but alas.....

They were. The problem is that the people who were not in on the secret included Ron.....

No, they weren't together at the end. Not officially. They are almost there - they just need a little nudge..... JKR's put too much into the relationship to just have Ron come up and say "Oh, by the way Harry. Hermione and I are dating now" and that be it.

What would be wrong with that?


Yes, they need to deal with the exes. Hermione still doesn't know that Ron started dating Lavender because he found out she kissed Krum. Ron doesn't know the whole story behind that. If they don't talk about it, those things could come between them.

Well, even if they do (and I do not see why: but, being a male, I have the emotional range of a teaspoon), then there is no reason to do it in front of Harry.

I was under the impression that Ron and Hermione were already together at the end of book 6. He is holding her while she cries at the funeral, and that suggests to me that maybe he has more than the emotional range of a teaspoon at the moment. He's comfortable with her, and they are so obviously in love. I think JKR just didn't want to go to much into it with the Harry filter and, of course, it would have ruined the mood.

Ah, but I was not under that impression!

Surely they would not do it in front of Harry. I mean, that is not the kind of discussion that you have in public.

As for myself, I have no wish to be there. Nothing against Ron & Hermione: they seem like a cute pair. However, I have a lot of friends who are cute pairs, and I never wanted to see them hook up, either.

Harry will probably just walk in on them snogging at some point.

It depends on the situation and how it's written. If she wrote it that they have one of their rows and admit their feelings that way, it could happen in public or just in front of Harry and then he leaves them alone to talk it out. Or Harry could walk in on them snogging and Ron fill him in later.

There are a lot of readers (myself included) who want to see this come to fruition. It's been hinted at and teased at for the last 3 books and we're looking forward to seeing that plot bunny completed.

Sorry about that: bubble bursting is an unfortunate side effect of me.

But why would Krum attend the wedding of people he does not really know?

I was thinking Fleur might invite him. He was one of the Triwizard champions and they may have kept in touch. Hermione could also invite him and ask him about Horcruxes. He could have joined the Order at some point and be there for "security". There are a lot of ways to write that in.

They were. The problem is that the people who were not in on the secret included Ron.....

:rotfl: I don't think Hermione was in on the secret either.

What would be wrong with that?

Well, even if they do (and I do not see why: but, being a male, I have the emotional range of a teaspoon), then there is no reason to do it in front of Harry.

I would be really disappointed if it happened that way - a lot of other readers would be as well. JKR has built this romance up a lot - even over Harry's. With all that build-up, having Ron mention it to Harry in passing would be a huge letdown.

In order for us to see it, Harry has to see it. Either one of their public rows ending with one of them yelling "because I love you, that's why!" and/or kissing the other OR Harry walking in on them kissing and getting the details from one of them later OR a situation like happened in Herbology class where they started talking in front of Harry and got so caught up they "forgot" he was there listening.

She has placed all of the major moments between Ron and Hermione into Harry's POV so that we could see it happening. We've watched them (along with Harry) grow up together, realize their feelings, make mistakes, mature, and grow closer over the past 6 books. Not showing them get together on page would be rather anti-climatic.


ETA

I thought of another one. This one depends on how wizard weddings compare to muggle wedding of course. She could have Hermione catch the bouquet and Ron catch the garter and go from there with a public kiss - sort of like Harry and Ginny's kiss.

They were. The problem is that the people who were not in on the secret included Ron.....
LOL, so true, so true. Probably still isn't aware :sigh:

[QUOTE]Like I said at the start I had that impression at the end of OOTP so I'm not going to assume anything till it's either in writing or in an interview. Besides if their 'lay it on the line' scene occurs with a blazing row nearby Harry it could be some major comical relief. I'd quite like to see that. :eyebrows:

:agree:


[QUOTE]In order for us to see it, Harry has to see it. Either one of their public rows ending with one of them yelling "because I love you, that's why!" and/or kissing the other OR Harry walking in on them kissing and getting the details from one of them later OR a situation like happened in Herbology class where they started talking in front of Harry and got so caught up they "forgot" he was there listening.

She has placed all of the major moments between Ron and Hermione into Harry's POV so that we could see it happening. We've watched them (along with Harry) grow up together, realize their feelings, make mistakes, mature, and grow closer over the past 6 books. Not showing them get together on page would be rather anti-climatic.

:agree: The above scenarios you have are exactly how I imagine it will be. I thought it would be in HBP, but they will most certainly have to occur in Book 7.

:agree: The above scenarios you have are exactly how I imagine it will be. I thought it would be in HBP, but they will most certainly have to occur in Book 7.

I also like the idea of them catching the bouquet and the garter. That could be interesting - particularly if it were a set up somehow. The twins or Harry making sure they catch them and then making them dance together.

I think they will finally get together at the Wedding. Probably they will have a fight where one of them yells I Love You to the other as been said before. It'll probably be in front of Ginny and Harry which would be funny.

Could be after the wedding when a battle takes place and one of their lives are put in danger, maybe one will be hurt badly.

Of course I think that they have now reached a point though where they have both realized that they love each other. They just havent said it to one another. I could also just see them growing closer and closer. Being together without them just coming right out and saying it. I do think however that there will be a scene that just shows that they are together officially as in a kiss or something. I dont think we are going to have to wait to long. JKR definately put it out there by the end of HBP that that is exactly where they were going.

:agree: The above scenarios you have are exactly how I imagine it will be. I thought it would be in HBP, but they will most certainly have to occur in Book 7.
I also like the idea of them catching the bouquet and the garter. That could be interesting - particularly if it were a set up somehow. The twins or Harry making sure they catch them and then making them dance together.
Just the sort of thing the twins would do too. :evil:

Actually Harry and Ginny, being as how they've really leapfrogged Hermione and Ron in the 'getting together' department could easily contrive to do something too.

But why would Krum attend the wedding of people he does not really know?

I'm guessing that Fleur and Vicky struck up a friendship during the Tournament. If not at the wedding, he will definitely be an issue between Ron and Hermione at some point in book 7 because I think Ron still has his insecurites to deal with concerning Hermione and Vicky.

They were. The problem is that the people who were not in on the secret included Ron.....

*fuming* You almost had me there.....

Well, even if they do (and I do not see why: but, being a male, I have the emotional range of a teaspoon), then there is no reason to do it in front of Harry.

But they must sort it out in front of Harry! They've argued in public before and countless of times in front of Harry and I don't see any reason as to why they shouldn't have THE ultimate fight in front of him. Harry had been observing them in HBP and he could see it coming. If they don't fight in front of him, he'll get to know it through Ron and Hermione themselves, through the Hogwarts grapevine (rumors and what not and then goes off to Ron and Hermione to hear it from them) or overhear a full conversation which he usually does and then goes off to ask Ron and Hermione in this case too for confirmation, for instance:

"Did you hear what happened to Ron and Hermione in the Common Room last night?" said Parvati.

"What what?" said Lav-Lav

"They had a huge row and *insert full details of the fight* and they ended up kissing."

"Hmmm interesting. Hey did I tell you I lost my lipgloss#600 today?"

I also like the idea of them catching the bouquet and the garter. That could be interesting - particularly if it were a set up somehow. The twins or Harry making sure they catch them and then making them dance together.

*sniffs and wipes a tear*. That would be SO nice. Ok how about they do the dance and then they go off to a more private place "to talk" whilst the twins, dragging Harry along, spy on them shamelessly.

I've switched to cheesy mode again. Oh dear....

I'm guessing that Fleur and Vicky struck up a friendship during the Tournament. If not at the wedding, he will definitely be an issue between Ron and Hermione at some point in book 7 because I think Ron still has his insecurites to deal with concerning Hermione and Vicky.

I was thinking along those lines too. Krum and Lavender are both issues that will have to be dealt with. Krum, because Ron needs to deal with his insecurities regarding Hermione's relationship with Krum and Lavender, because Hermione deserves to know why Ron suddenly started dating Lavender when he had agreed to a date with her to Slughorn's party.

But they must sort it out in front of Harry! They've argued in public before and countless of times in front of Harry and I don't see any reason as to why they shouldn't have THE ultimate fight in front of him. Harry had been observing them in HBP and he could see it coming. If they don't fight in front of him, he'll get to know it through Ron and Hermione themselves, through the Hogwarts grapevine (rumors and what not and then goes off to Ron and Hermione to hear it from them) or overhear a full conversation which he usually does and then goes off to ask Ron and Hermione in this case too for confirmation, for instance:

"Did you hear what happened to Ron and Hermione in the Common Room last night?" said Parvati.

"What what?" said Lav-Lav

"They had a huge row and *insert full details of the fight* and they ended up kissing."

"Hmmm interesting. Hey did I tell you I lost my lipgloss#600 today?"

That's a good one! I think Harry will witness it somehow. Even if it doesn't happen at the wedding, the three of them are going to spending a lot of time together searching for the Horcruxes. They will be in danger and likely stick together for safety. In other words, they will be spending a lot of time in close quarters.

*sniffs and wipes a tear*. That would be SO nice. Ok how about they do the dance and then they go off to a more private place "to talk" whilst the twins, dragging Harry along, spy on them shamelessly.

I've switched to cheesy mode again. Oh dear....

They wouldn't even have to drag Harry along. They could just use the Extendable Ears! Maybe a pair Omniocculars to see - Harry has a pair. ;)

They wouldn't even have to drag Harry along. They could just use the Extendable Ears! Maybe a pair Omniocculars to see - Harry has a pair. ;)

I forgot about the Omniculars! Yes it would be put to better use than watching someone picking his nose over and over again. I don't think he, like us, could bear it any longer if they don't get together anytime soon. And that's why I think that he would prefer using the Omniculars because he needs to SEE it for himself :D.

I'm guessing that Fleur and Vicky struck up a friendship during the Tournament. If not at the wedding, he will definitely be an issue between Ron and Hermione at some point in book 7 because I think Ron still has his insecurites to deal with concerning Hermione and Vicky.

Well, a few of us are expecting a little European trip for the trio. Why not there?


*fuming* You almost had me there.....

Yeah, I'm a tricky one!


But they must sort it out in front of Harry! They've argued in public before and countless of times in front of Harry and I don't see any reason as to why they shouldn't have THE ultimate fight in front of him.

They clammed up pretty tightly when they remembered that Harry was there in Herbology. Most people wouldn't talk about those things in front of someone else.

I guess my thought is that there is too much important stuff to the plot for JKR to waste much time on this. Ron or Hermione can give a censored version to Harry once it becomes painfully obvious.


"Did you hear what happened to Ron and Hermione in the Common Room last night?" said Parvati.

Probably not a good choice! That Patil twins barely were allowed to return for year 6; given how quickly they were yanked after DD died, we have to think that they will be among the multitude of students who do not return.

Also, the Trio won't be students next year, either, which really hurts the gossip network!


I've switched to cheesy mode again. Oh dear....

I'd say closer to voyeur mode! :cool:

Even if it doesn't happen at the wedding, the three of them are going to spending a lot of time together searching for the Horcruxes. They will be in danger and likely stick together for safety. In other words, they will be spending a lot of time in close quarters.

Yeah, that will be interesting for JKR to handle. I mean, we know what real 17 year olds would be doing, but I doubt that JKR wants to deal with that. Certainly not to many parents of 8 year olds want to explain the tent arrangements.....

Well, a few of us are expecting a little European trip for the trio. Why not there?

Either way would work for me. Seeing Krum again will be interesting.


They clammed up pretty tightly when they remembered that Harry was there in Herbology. Most people wouldn't talk about those things in front of someone else.

Yes, once they remembered Harry was there. JKR could do the same thing again or she could have him walk in at the end of it like she did in GOF. We would get to see what happens.

I guess my thought is that there is too much important stuff to the plot for JKR to waste much time on this. Ron or Hermione can give a censored version to Harry once it becomes painfully obvious.

Oh, I don't think she's going to spend much time on it at all. I think HBP was heavy on the romance for that reason. I think a page or two is all we're going to get - if even that much. Just enough to show them get together. Book 7 is going to focus on the Horcruxes and the final battle.

Probably not a good choice! That Patil twins barely were allowed to return for year 6; given how quickly they were yanked after DD died, we have to think that they will be among the multitude of students who do not return.

Also, the Trio won't be students next year, either, which really hurts the gossip network!

The twins would be a more likely source if they don't return to school. They like to eavesdrop. ;)

I'd say closer to voyeur mode! :cool:

Again - likely behavior for the twins. Harry would of course be along under protest. ;)

Yeah, that will be interesting for JKR to handle. I mean, we know what real 17 year olds would be doing, but I doubt that JKR wants to deal with that. Certainly not to many parents of 8 year olds want to explain the tent arrangements.....

It will be interesting. She has set it up to where they will have to stick together. Nobody else is going with them that we know of and the boys are unlikely to leave Hermione by herself like that. DE's could attack them at any time. Although, if they use a magical tent it could have more than one room. Even so, it will be close quarters. They've shared a dorm for 6 years but even a two room tent would be closer quarters than that.

They clammed up pretty tightly when they remembered that Harry was there in Herbology. Most people wouldn't talk about those things in front of someone else.

But their Yule Ball argument wasn't the most private of fights. So I'm guessing Ron and Hermione, unlike most people, don't have problems fighting about their issues in front of other people.

I guess my thought is that there is too much important stuff to the plot for JKR to waste much time on this.

Yes I agree. A page or two on Ron and Hermione's romance should be fine.

Probably not a good choice! That Patil twins barely were allowed to return for year 6; given how quickly they were yanked after DD died, we have to think that they will be among the multitude of students who do not return.

Also, the Trio won't be students next year, either, which really hurts the gossip network!

But there are many other ways Harry can find out. Maybe he'll walk in on them or maybe Ginny fills him up on what's been going on between Ron and Hermione recently and so on :D.

I'd say closer to voyeur mode! :cool:

:elaugh: I think I prefer cheesy.

I also like the idea of them catching the bouquet and the garter. That could be interesting - particularly if it were a set up somehow. The twins or Harry making sure they catch them and then making them dance together.

Oh, ick. That's just too gooey to contemplate.

I think Hermione and Ron are a couple, even if they don't realize it, which makes me think their moment of truth will come when they're fighting or one has hurt the other's feelings. At the very end of HBP, when Ron and Hermione join Harry, Ron turns to Hermione and says something like "Let me go and hit Percy". Hermione stops him, and the conversation continues.

Ron and Hermione's interaction at this moment is very much like an established couple and it's something of a preview of how they will be as a married couple. They work out their behaviors together, asking for input from each other before they do something.

Oh, ick. That's just too gooey to contemplate.

I think Hermione and Ron are a couple, even if they don't realize it, which makes me think their moment of truth will come when they're fighting or one has hurt the other's feelings. At the very end of HBP, when Ron and Hermione join Harry, Ron turns to Hermione and says something like "Let me go and hit Percy". Hermione stops him, and the conversation continues.

Ron and Hermione's interaction at this moment is very much like an established couple and it's something of a preview of how they will be as a married couple. They work out their behaviors together, asking for input from each other before they do something.

I agree. The only thing is they have to realize that and admit it. We're just discussing possibilities of how that could happen.

It makes sense that Harry may overhear yet another discussion.
Snape and Quirrel in SS/PS
Hagrid, Dumbledore, and Fudge in CoS
Moody and Snape PoA
Harry and Ron came across Hagrid and Maxine in an intimate discussion GoF
Concluding remarks of Ron and Hermione's Not as a Last Resort row Gof
Harry being overly curious about the pensieve OotP
Harry in cloak in Slytherin compartment of the train HBP
Harry in greehouse overhearing Ron and Hermione HBP

There is no reason to think that Harry is NOT going to overhear their "official" confession of love. Look at his track record!

I'm guessing that Fleur and Vicky struck up a friendship during the Tournament. If not at the wedding, he will definitely be an issue between Ron and Hermione at some point in book 7 because I think Ron still has his insecurites to deal with concerning Hermione and Vicky.
Well, a few of us are expecting a little European trip for the trio. Why not there?
That's a theory I haven't heard before, sounds interesting. Harry Potter's Eurotrip? :eyebrows:


But they must sort it out in front of Harry! They've argued in public before and countless of times in front of Harry and I don't see any reason as to why they shouldn't have THE ultimate fight in front of him. They clammed up pretty tightly when they remembered that Harry was there in Herbology. Most people wouldn't talk about those things in front of someone else.
Yes they did but had there not been the interruption then as we've seen before in some potentially pivotal moments ...

I guess my thought is that there is too much important stuff to the plot for JKR to waste much time on this. Ron or Hermione can give a censored version to Harry once it becomes painfully obvious.
At the risk of living up to my signature I hope you're wrong there. Romance and 'on the fly' relationships have always been more commonplace in perilous situations and given what they've shared (and shared with Harry) to date I'd like to think we'll see some more of it.

Also, the Trio won't be students next year, either, which really hurts the gossip network!
Actually, like so much else, we don't know that for sure yet, all we do know is that Harry doesn't intend to return to school and Hermione and Ron are going to support him with their prescence. There may yet be circumstances that could change these plans.


I've switched to cheesy mode again. Oh dear....
I'd say closer to voyeur mode! :cool:
Oi, I resemble that remark. :evil:

Even if it doesn't happen at the wedding, the three of them are going to spending a lot of time together searching for the Horcruxes. They will be in danger and likely stick together for safety. In other words, they will be spending a lot of time in close quarters.
Yeah, that will be interesting for JKR to handle. I mean, we know what real 17 year olds would be doing, but I doubt that JKR wants to deal with that. Certainly not to many parents of 8 year olds want to explain the tent arrangements.....
Frankly I think the books are way past the eight year old level and IMO have been that way pretty much since POA. Besides those that are old enough to appreciate the awkwardness of their situation would also appreciate the potential for some subtle innuendo in the story and for the younger readers it'd be just another of Harry, Ron and Hermione's great adventures.

I agree. The only thing is they have to realize that and admit it. We're just discussing possibilities of how that could happen.
:elaugh: I just this wierd vision of Ron running across the Burrow's lawn pursued by a flying garter.
And as Ron, with an agility that belied his lanky frame again dived off to one side to avoid the flying garter.
'Oi, that's a rougue garter that is,' said Hagrid , watching from his seat at the main table, 'that's been tampered with that as.'
Just then Harry spotted George staring unblinkingly toward Ron muttering quietly and had to master the sudden impulse to laugh.

That's a theory I haven't heard before, sounds interesting. Harry Potter's Eurotrip? :eyebrows:

Maybe they'll swing by EuroDisney and see "The Magical Kingdom"! :rotfl:

At the risk of living up to my signature I hope you're wrong there. Romance and 'on the fly' relationships have always been more commonplace in perilous situations and given what they've shared (and shared with Harry) to date I'd like to think we'll see some more of it.

That's a good point. Mrs. Weasley did mention that it was like that during the first war as well.

Actually, like so much else, we don't know that for sure yet, all we do know is that Harry doesn't intend to return to school and Hermione and Ron are going to support him with their prescence. There may yet be circumstances that could change these plans.

Thank you! Finally! Somebody agrees!

Frankly I think the books are way past the eight year old level and IMO have been that way pretty much since POA. Besides those that are old enough to appreciate the awkwardness of their situation would also appreciate the potential for some subtle innuendo in the story and for the younger readers it'd be just another of Harry, Ron and Hermione's great adventures.

That is so true. There are a lot of good possibilities for a juicy story just in that alone. ;)

:elaugh: I just this wierd vision of Ron running across the Burrow's lawn pursued by a flying garter.

And as Ron, with an agility that belied his lanky frame again dived off to one side to avoid the flying garter.
'Oi, that's a rougue garter that is,' said Hagrid , watching from his seat at the main table, 'that's been tampered with that as.'
Just then Harry spotted George staring unblinkingly toward Ron muttering quietly and had to master the sudden impulse to laugh.[/QUOTE]

:rotfl: I love that! How about this -

Mrs. Weasley called for all the single witches to gather in the center of the dance floor. Fleur was going to toss the bouquet. Ginny, with a mischevious twinkle in her eyes, dragged a protesting Hermione out on the floor with her. Hermione immediately cringed and hid behind Ginny and Luna, who was gazing dreamily and didn't seem to be aware of what was going on.
A movement to his left caught Harry's eye and he spotted Fred pulling out his wand discretely. As Fleur through the bouquet, he waved his wand and muttered. Harry watched as the bouqouet zoomed straight towards Hermione like it had been shot from a cannon. Hermione shreiked and crouched down with her hands over her head as the flowers pelted her unmercilessly. Luna made a grab for the bouquet but it zoomed out of her reach and followed Hermione who had tried to run for cover.

I'm guessing that Fleur and Vicky struck up a friendship during the Tournament.

There was no indication of that in the text. Krum is portrayed as introverted and grouchy. Fleur is aloof and fairly disdainful of others. That's not a good combination!


That's a theory I haven't heard before, sounds interesting. Harry Potter's Eurotrip?

Albania is LV's refuge: twice he retreats there. We also know the Grindelwald hung out somewhere in Europe, and he is our best bet for how LV learned to make a Horcrux. If so, then some place in Europe (like Albania) would become a pivotal place in LV's history, and thus a good candidate for a Horcrux locale.



At the risk of living up to my signature I hope you're wrong there. Romance and 'on the fly' relationships have always been more commonplace in perilous situations and given what they've shared (and shared with Harry) to date I'd like to think we'll see some more of it.

Oh, that is true. However, this is not Hermione's or Ron's story. Hermione was off snogging Krum at some point, but it was never in the narrative. Why should this be different?


Actually, like so much else, we don't know that for sure yet, all we do know is that Harry doesn't intend to return to school and Hermione and Ron are going to support him with their prescence. There may yet be circumstances that could change these plans.

Oh, they will pass through Hogwarts; they just won't be back as students. Book VII is applied magic, after 6 years of schooling. Fundamentally, Hogwarts just does not have anythign to offer them anymore: if it could teach people how to deal with these things, then LV would not be such a problem.



Frankly I think the books are way past the eight year old level and IMO have been that way pretty much since POA. Besides those that are old enough to appreciate the awkwardness of their situation would also appreciate the potential for some subtle innuendo in the story and for the younger readers it'd be just another of Harry, Ron and Hermione's great adventures.

They will want it kept tame so as not to offence parents. Many parents find teen romance more offensive than all of the violence (for whatever reasons).


rogue garters.... um, does anybody do that at weddings anymore??

All this speculation is soooo amusing!!

Ron needs to get off his duff and ask/tell/beg Hermione to be his girl. They may act like an old married couple (I know - 'cause I'm half of one), but until Ron says something, Hermione won't openly respond. A gal likes to have at least a little courting -- even if (maybe especially if) she's already made up her mind.:agree:

I picture Ron pulling a 'stupid' by saying or doing something that indicates he assumes they are a couple, already. Hermione will put him in his place with a few choice words including the ever-popular "you should have asked me first". At this point, Ron won't be able to miss the 'error of his ways' and, realizing that they hadn't actually discussed their situation, that he had only assumed their connection, confess his devotion to her with actual words. :love:

A little sappy, I admit. JKR will have to keep it pretty PG, (maybe a bit PG13 - based on HBP), but it should still make for a good show. Harry probably won't get to see all of it, but mussed hair and blushes will go a long way toward explaining the situation. :eyebrows:

Albania is LV's refuge: twice he retreats there. We also know the Grindelwald hung out somewhere in Europe, and he is our best bet for how LV learned to make a Horcrux. If so, then some place in Europe (like Albania) would become a pivotal place in LV's history, and thus a good candidate for a Horcrux locale.

Oooh! I like that. I hadn't thought about that one. I wonder if Durmstrang is anywhere near Albania?

Oh, that is true. However, this is not Hermione's or Ron's story. Hermione was off snogging Krum at some point, but it was never in the narrative. Why should this be different?

Until there is confirmation from Hermione regarding that kiss, I will have my doubts about it. Hermione just didn't seem to be romantically interested in Krum - she kept pushing him away - choosing Ron and Harry over him. I think there may have been an innocent good night kiss after the ball but I definitely don't think there was any snogging. I just can't see Hermione making out with Krum and then practically ignoring him.

Oh, they will pass through Hogwarts; they just won't be back as students. Book VII is applied magic, after 6 years of schooling. Fundamentally, Hogwarts just does not have anythign to offer them anymore: if it could teach people how to deal with these things, then LV would not be such a problem.

Well, we won't know for sure until book 7 comes out. Some of JKR's comments during interviews indicate that they will go back and some could indicate that they won't but they are very vague. Something could happen that causes them to have to go back.

They will want it kept tame so as not to offence parents. Many parents find teen romance more offensive than all of the violence (for whatever reasons).

Won-Won and Lav-Lav were tame? Did you read the description of the sound of a plunger being unstuck? I don't think she's going to go any further than that but I think she will have Ron and Hermione kissing at some point. She's been leading up to it for too long.

rogue garters.... um, does anybody do that at weddings anymore??

Well, the garter is still thrown at weddings but I don't think they chase people around. :rotfl:

Mrs. Weasley called for all the single witches to gather in the center of the dance floor. Fleur was going to toss the bouquet. Ginny, with a mischevious twinkle in her eyes, dragged a protesting Hermione out on the floor with her. Hermione immediately cringed and hid behind Ginny and Luna, who was gazing dreamily and didn't seem to be aware of what was going on. A movement to his left caught Harry's eye and he spotted Fred pulling out his wand discretely. As Fleur through the bouquet, he waved his wand and muttered. Harry watched as the bouqouet zoomed straight towards Hermione like it had been shot from a cannon. Hermione shreiked and crouched down with her hands over her head as the flowers pelted her unmercilessly. Luna made a grab for the bouquet but it zoomed out of her reach and followed Hermione who had tried to run for cover.

:elaugh:. You'll put JKR out of business any day meesha. It would make a wonderful fanfic. But I sort of imagine Ron to have that sort of a terrifying reaction when there's something as "lethal" as a garter flying towards him :D. But I think you have the scenario right. The twins, Harry and Ginny will all be the masterminds behind this devious plot and Ron and Hermione's reactions will be priceless :D.

Oooh! I like that. I hadn't thought about that one. I wonder if Durmstrang is anywhere near Albania?

Albania is to the south, next to Greece. Durmstrang must be far to the north, given that it has such long summer days. I think that people have suggested Finland or part of the former USSR as likely localities.

However, Durmstrang does seem to be the Wizarding school for that part of the world. Krum is from Bulgaria, which is quite close to Albania. (They are separated by some chunk of former Yugoslavia or another: I don't have a map handy, and I cannot keep them straight!)



Until there is confirmation from Hermione regarding that kiss, I will have my doubts about it. Hermione just didn't seem to be romantically interested in Krum - she kept pushing him away - choosing Ron and Harry over him.

Ginny did not say one kiss, she said that Hermione snogged Krum: that means a bit more! Ginny is Hermione's confidant, and, in Ginny's rage, she said more than she should have. There is no reason to think that Ginny lied. One thing I have learned over the years is that girls tell each other everything (which is just d@mned weird to me, but my wife insists that it is men who are weird for never talking about this stuff.)

It also is apparent that Hermione spent a bit of time with Krum "off-camera" during GoF. The narratives skim through uneventful periods of time. I doubt that we'll ever read Hermione "confirm" this anymore than Ginny already has. Also, JKR has mentioned the fact that Hermione has "gotten some action" and that she wanted Ron & Hermione on more equal footing ere she paired them. That has to be a bit more than than just a kiss! (I cannot see JKR clinging to old-fashioned ideas about these things.)


Well, we won't know for sure until book 7 comes out. Some of JKR's comments during interviews indicate that they will go back and some could indicate that they won't but they are very vague. Something could happen that causes them to have to go back.

Learning that a locality in Europe (especially Albania) is a likely location for a Horcrux would do the trick nicely.



Won-Won and Lav-Lav were tame? Did you read the description of the sound of a plunger being unstuck? I don't think she's going to go any further than that but I think she will have Ron and Hermione kissing at some point. She's been leading up to it for too long.

I suppose, but I cannot see it being anything other than gratuitous titilation for the audience. I just do not see how the story loses anything by having the two just start being a couple.

As for it being tame, yeah, that is pretty tame at that age. An awful lot of books about teens for teens are much more explicit, and they do a lot more than thrash around like eels. (The movie "Thirteen" is a good cinematic example of that genre.)



Well, the garter is still thrown at weddings but I don't think they chase people around.

Really? In all the weddings that I have attended, only one actually did that (back in the early 1980s), and a lot of people complained about it being tasteless and sexist. Of course, I might not live in the normal world: almost none of the weddings that I attend even are in churches or anything like that.

Ginny did not say one kiss, she said that Hermione snogged Krum: that means a bit more! Ginny is Hermione's confidant, and, in Ginny's rage, she said more than she should have. There is no reason to think that Ginny lied.

No Ginny didn't lie. But she wasn't telling the truth either. She was angry and emotional and said the first thing that came into her mind. I think she also said that Harry had snogged Cho (not sure about this, haven't done my re read) whereas he just had one kiss with her. So I'm not exactly banking on Ginny's reaction concerning Hermione and Krum.

One thing I have learned over the years is that girls tell each other everything (which is just d@mned weird to me, but my wife insists that it is men who are weird for never talking about this stuff.)

Heh. My best friend's a guy and he said it's easier to talk about "things which are deep" with girls. That's why Harry considered asking for Hermione's help concerning Ginny. Men have a different language when they're around each other and I had the misfortune of witnessing countless of them :grumble:. They were VERY funny though. Anyway. Back on topic.....

I suppose, but I cannot see it being anything other than gratuitous titilation for the audience. I just do not see how the story loses anything by having the two just start being a couple.

It doesn't contribute anything to the story except for some comic relief. JKR had taken her own sweet time to build up their relationship and I can't see her throwing it aside, unfinished in book 7. There has to be results.

No Ginny didn't lie. But she wasn't telling the truth either. She was angry and emotional and said the first thing that came into her mind. I think she also said that Harry had snogged Cho (not sure about this, haven't done my re read) whereas he just had one kiss with her.

Harry spent half an hour with Cho. There was a lot more than one kiss! (Either that, or it was a bit of a record setter!) Now, Ginny had less knowledge of that, but Hermione certainly would have divulged what had happened between her and Krum. Ginny was the only one she told about being Krum's date in the first place, and Ginny seems to be Hermione's only female friend.


Ultimately, there is no reason to think that Ginny was not telling the truth. She was emotional, yes, but that would make it easy for her to slip up and reveal a confidence that she otherwise would never have let slip. Also, Harry figured that Hermione had been snogging Krum: clearly, Harry realized that Hermione had spent a bit of time with Krum on her own. Indeed, there is absolutely no reason to think that it happened only once - considering that JKR now considers Ron to be on more equal footing with Hermione, it probably happened a few times.


JKR might clarify this at some point, but I really doubt that it will be in the narrative. JKR has too many important plot points to waste any ink on this. Now that Ron and Hermione both have "pasts," they really have no reason do talk things out where that is concerned. Just stating that they are together is a result enough.

:rotfl: I love that! How about this -

Mrs. Weasley called for all the single witches to gather in the center of the dance floor. Fleur was going to toss the bouquet. Ginny, with a mischevious twinkle in her eyes, dragged a protesting Hermione out on the floor with her. Hermione immediately cringed and hid behind Ginny and Luna, who was gazing dreamily and didn't seem to be aware of what was going on.
A movement to his left caught Harry's eye and he spotted Fred pulling out his wand discretely. As Fleur through the bouquet, he waved his wand and muttered. Harry watched as the bouqouet zoomed straight towards Hermione like it had been shot from a cannon. Hermione shreiked and crouched down with her hands over her head as the flowers pelted her unmercilessly. Luna made a grab for the bouquet but it zoomed out of her reach and followed Hermione who had tried to run for cover.
Maybe it's time to ressurect the 'Fanfic from Hell' thread. :evil: (Actually it was called 'Anything Fanfic Related' but much time was spent devising the cheesiest fanfic cliches around.)

Oh, that is true. However, this is not Hermione's or Ron's story. Hermione was off snogging Krum at some point, but it was never in the narrative. Why should this be different?
Well that's true enough but the difference here is that if Harry isn't in close company with Hermione then he's usually in close company with Ron so it seems more likely that it'll occur within 'visual range'.

As for Hermione and Viktor well I'm with Meesha on this to a point, while I don't doubt the pair kissed the degree of 'snogging' is questionable. Look at the source of the information and the circumstances of the revelation, Ginny said what she did in reaction to Ron's hurtful comments so it can hardly be described as objective information.

Oh, they will pass through Hogwarts; they just won't be back as students. Book VII is applied magic, after 6 years of schooling. Fundamentally, Hogwarts just does not have anythign to offer them anymore: if it could teach people how to deal with these things, then LV would not be such a problem.
I don't know whether Hogwarts has nothing to offer them at this point, that really remains to be seen.

They will want it kept tame so as not to offence parents. Many parents find teen romance more offensive than all of the violence (for whatever reasons).
Yes and no, after what some observers have charmingly called 'Snogwarts' in HBP I don't think tame is a word I'd use to describe how Jo has portrayed that aspect of the story. Still, it's a minor part of the overall tale.

rogue garters.... um, does anybody do that at weddings anymore??
Well they did at the last wedding I went to, mind you that was about fifteen years ago.

All this speculation is soooo amusing!!

Ron needs to get off his duff and ask/tell/beg Hermione to be his girl. They may act like an old married couple (I know - 'cause I'm half of one), but until Ron says something, Hermione won't openly respond. A gal likes to have at least a little courting -- even if (maybe especially if) she's already made up her mind.:agree:
Yea, that's the problem though, neither of them is prepared to actually come out and say it. I did something of a double take when Ron actually said the words, even though they were seemingly in jest at the time. Maybe it's a bit old fashioned of me but for him to actually say it was a huge step forward as I don't believe you'd ever say such a thing without meaning it.

Until there is confirmation from Hermione regarding that kiss, I will have my doubts about it. Hermione just didn't seem to be romantically interested in Krum - she kept pushing him away - choosing Ron and Harry over him. I think there may have been an innocent good night kiss after the ball but I definitely don't think there was any snogging. I just can't see Hermione making out with Krum and then practically ignoring him.
Like I said, what Ginny said to Ron in an angry moment is hardly going to be the most objective statement. :eyebrows:

Well, the garter is still thrown at weddings but I don't think they chase people around. :rotfl:
Think of the fun if they did. :eyebrows:

Maybe it's time to ressurect the 'Fanfic from Hell' thread. :evil: (Actually it was called 'Anything Fanfic Related' but much time was spent devising the cheesiest fanfic cliches around.)

Ahhh but those cheesy fanfic cliches are what I'm best at and I think my previous posts prove that :D. And I can totally see JKR using a cliche for R/Hr in her own unique style.

As for Hermione and Viktor well I'm with Meesha on this to a point, while I don't doubt the pair kissed the degree of 'snogging' is questionable. Look at the source of the information and the circumstances of the revelation, Ginny said what she did in reaction to Ron's hurtful comments so it can hardly be described as objective information.

True true. I don't think Ginny was thinking straight when she said that. Plus she said the same thing about Harry and Cho and I'm guessing that Harry fled after that awkward kiss. I wouldn't call it snogging. Yes Hermione might've had one kiss with Vicky after the Yule Ball and that was that and she obviously told Ginny about it, who got caught up in her anger and chose a different set of words to describe it.

Like I said, what Ginny said to Ron in an angry moment is hardly going to be the most objective statement.

"Objective" is not the right term. What it would be is brutally honest. In her very emotional state, Ginny was not thinking. You have to be thinking to lie like that. Ginny then let something slip that she was not supposed to let slip.

For some reason, I get the impression that people want Hermione to [i]not/i] have been involved with Krum. That's a little silly! She was 15, and 15 year olds mash with guys. This would be especially true of an insecure girl who has zero experience being pursued by a guy, and who also is smarting because a guy that she fancied had not taken interest.

If nothing else, it would be a bit pathetic if Hermione were 17 and had only kissed one guy once! JKR also would not feel the need to have Ron catch up with her.

I'm guessing that Harry fled after that awkward kiss. I wouldn't call it snogging.

Harry was with Cho for half an hour. She broke down at one point, but they probably were mashing pretty emphatically for a big chunk of it.

:elaugh:. You'll put JKR out of business any day meesha. It would make a wonderful fanfic. But I sort of imagine Ron to have that sort of a terrifying reaction when there's something as "lethal" as a garter flying towards him :D. But I think you have the scenario right. The twins, Harry and Ginny will all be the masterminds behind this devious plot and Ron and Hermione's reactions will be priceless :D.

The bit about Ron being chased by the garter was not my creation. I only wrote the one about Hermione and the bouquet. I thought it was pretty funny though.

I am seriously considering playing around with this idea. It would make a fun little fic. ;)

Albania is to the south, next to Greece. Durmstrang must be far to the north, given that it has such long summer days. I think that people have suggested Finland or part of the former USSR as likely localities.

However, Durmstrang does seem to be the Wizarding school for that part of the world. Krum is from Bulgaria, which is quite close to Albania. (They are separated by some chunk of former Yugoslavia or another: I don't have a map handy, and I cannot keep them straight!)

Learning that a locality in Europe (especially Albania) is a likely location for a Horcrux would do the trick nicely.

Geography is not my strong point so I'll take your word for it. Still sounds good. On to Eastern Europe it is. :)

Ginny did not say one kiss, she said that Hermione snogged Krum: that means a bit more! Ginny is Hermione's confidant, and, in Ginny's rage, she said more than she should have. There is no reason to think that Ginny lied. One thing I have learned over the years is that girls tell each other everything (which is just d@mned weird to me, but my wife insists that it is men who are weird for never talking about this stuff.)

It also is apparent that Hermione spent a bit of time with Krum "off-camera" during GoF. The narratives skim through uneventful periods of time. I doubt that we'll ever read Hermione "confirm" this anymore than Ginny already has. Also, JKR has mentioned the fact that Hermione has "gotten some action" and that she wanted Ron & Hermione on more equal footing ere she paired them. That has to be a bit more than than just a kiss! (I cannot see JKR clinging to old-fashioned ideas about these things.)

I'm going to address this further in your more specific post below but I do want to say here that I don't think Hermione would confide that much to Ginny. Ginny is Ron's sister and has been known to use information against her brothers. At the end of COS, she gleefully informed the twins that Percy had a girlfriend even though he asked her not to say anything. She has proven herself not to be trustworthy in such matters.

Ginny's behavior is not consistent with someone who has broken a confidence and revealed a secret. She appears to be oblivious to her part in the whole Won-Won/Lav-Lav debacle. She doesn't even appear to be aware of Hermione's feelings for Ron. When she points Ron out to Harry (kissing Lavender in the common room) she smirks and calls him a hypocrite and makes fun of his technique. She is not the least bit concerned about how Hermione is going to react or if she will be hurt. These things go against the idea of Ginny being a "confidant" to Hermione.

Hermione doesn't know why Ron gets mad at her - she asks Harry. It appears as though she never finds out. She never got upset with Ginny for "revealing her secret".

More on that in a bit.

I suppose, but I cannot see it being anything other than gratuitous titilation for the audience. I just do not see how the story loses anything by having the two just start being a couple.

As for it being tame, yeah, that is pretty tame at that age. An awful lot of books about teens for teens are much more explicit, and they do a lot more than thrash around like eels. (The movie "Thirteen" is a good cinematic example of that genre.)

I'm thinking "tame" in terms of the majority of kids reading the HP books - quite a few of them are under 15. My own 12 year old was quite "disgusted" with all that "gooey romance stuff" :rotfl:

I don't think we're going to see much romance in book 7. I think that's why HBP was so heavy with it. She has set it up so that all she has to do in book 7 is have Ron and Hermione admit their feelings and kiss - that's all I'm asking for. I don't need pages and pages of snogging to make me happy. A few paragraphs will be fine. ;) Harry and Ginny - I like to think that they will get back together early on but I wouldn't bet my car on it. I'm not 100% positive.

Really? In all the weddings that I have attended, only one actually did that (back in the early 1980s), and a lot of people complained about it being tasteless and sexist. Of course, I might not live in the normal world: almost none of the weddings that I attend even are in churches or anything like that.

We did it at my wedding. My best friend did it at hers (both of them - she's on her second marriage now). Two of my cousins did it at theirs and my "godsister" (her dad was my godfather and my dad is hers) did it at hers. I think it just depends on the couple and how they feel about it. The last three weddings I mentioned occured within the past year so that's pretty recent.

Oh, no. Completely forgot about the Krum-factor. Geesh. Just one thing more to hold up the R/H happening. Okay, I take back what I said. Nothing is resolved until Krum is out of the picture and I can't even hope that he will not return because JK said he would. Maybe an early get together is being too hopeful after all although I'll still wish for it. Maybe they will clear it up quickly when Krum comes into the picture. Ron is so irrational in his jealousy though that I very much doubt it. Oh, well, we didn't want all that snogging while they were searching for the Horcruxes anyway, so maybe them getting together at the end is better.

Cheers :tu:

I'm not sure Ron's jealousy is irrational. Krum is older than he is and is still more famous. From his point of view, Krum really is threatening.

I don't think Krum/Lavender is likely, since Krum liked Hermione specifically because she wasn't the typical "giggling girl". Krum deserves much better. I can't see him with Luna either - for one thing, there's a huge age difference. Krum will probably be twenty in Book 7, while Luna will be 16 at most.

Luna will be 16, Krum will be 21. However, consider that he was hitting on Hermione when he was 18 and she was 14.

.... but I do want to say here that I don't think Hermione would confide that much to Ginny. Ginny is Ron's sister and has been known to use information against her brothers. At the end of COS, she gleefully informed the twins that Percy had a girlfriend even though he asked her not to say anything. She has proven herself not to be trustworthy in such matters.

That is a bad example. Ginny had kept that secret: it was because of circumstances (Percy told them half of the story) that she was sort of cornered into telling the rest.
(Also, Ginny did this to Percy, whom nobody particularly likes. Even Hermione has problems with him!)

Finally, you cannot hold what someone does at 11 to what they do when they are older. Ginny does not stick her elbows in butter anymore. Moreover, we have canon evidence that Ginny is Hermione's sole confidant. Ginny is the only one who knew about Krum. Also, these things tend to work both ways: at the same time, Ginny is getting coached on Harry.


Ginny's behavior is not consistent with someone who has broken a confidence and revealed a secret. She appears to be oblivious to her part in the whole Won-Won/Lav-Lav debacle. She doesn't even appear to be aware of Hermione's feelings for Ron. When she points Ron out to Harry (kissing Lavender in the common room) she smirks and calls him a hypocrite and makes fun of his technique. She is not the least bit concerned about how Hermione is going to react or if she will be hurt. These things go against the idea of Ginny being a "confidant" to Hermione.

I disagree! Ginny is clearly quite disgusted with Ron, and her knowledge of Hermione's feelings likely explains that in part.

Also, this is a bit of a negative evidence argument. Hermione and Ginny talk almost entirely "off screen": Hermione knows all about the "bumps" between Ginny and Dean but we never see that discussed. Confidantes only work if information goes both ways. If Hermione is not entrusting Ginny with information, then why would Ginny be entrusting Hermione with information?


Hermione doesn't know why Ron gets mad at her - she asks Harry. It appears as though she never finds out. She never got upset with Ginny for "revealing her secret".

Again, we cannot know that never found out. Harry never told her, but it is possible that Ginny confessed her mistake. If Hermione got mad at Ginny, then it would have been off camera: everything that could have led to it would have been well out of Harry's earshot.

After all, we never see Ginny tell Hermione anything about her relationship with Dean, but Hermione knows. What the two girls say "off-camera," we cannot say. However, we have ample evidence that both confide in the other.


Ultimately, I take JKR's comments in the MN/TLC interview as confirming that there was a lot more than one kiss between Krum and Hermione. Basically, JKR views Ron as having caught up now. If Krum & Hermione had had one chaste kiss, then this would not be true.

She has set it up so that all she has to do in book 7 is have Ron and Hermione admit their feelings and kiss - that's all I'm asking for.

Well, they'll probably snog a bit. I guess I just do not see any reason to think that they have not already done that off-camera. I suppose part of me really just does not want to see that stuff: it's bad enough in real life, why ruin a perfectly good novel with it?? :cool:


We did it at my wedding. My best friend did it at hers (both of them - she's on her second marriage now). Two of my cousins did it at theirs and my "godsister" (her dad was my godfather and my dad is hers) did it at hers. I think it just depends on the couple and how they feel about it. The last three weddings I mentioned occured within the past year so that's pretty recent.

Wow. Well, maybe it really is different in blue states! It's considered almost as sexist as having a wife pledge to obey her husband here! (It was never mentioned when we got married; I was thinking of tossing a six-pack with the promise of 6 more years of bachelorhood to whomever caught it, though.....)

"Objective" is not the right term. What it would be is brutally honest.
Your right but I couldn't think of a better term to use, calm I suppose (or phlegmatic :evil:).

In her very emotional state, Ginny was not thinking. You have to be thinking to lie like that. Ginny then let something slip that she was not supposed to let slip.
That I'm not so sure of, she let something slip allright but she did so in a manner she knew would hurt Ron. If that was actual events, her impression of events or a deliberate wording of same to needle Ron remains to be seen (if ever), I personally suspect the latter.

For some reason, I get the impression that people want Hermione to not have been involved with Krum. That's a little silly!
Really? :huh:

She was 15, and 15 year olds mash with guys. This would be especially true of an insecure girl who has zero experience being pursued by a guy, and who also is smarting because a guy that she fancied had not taken interest.
For what it's worth I'm personally of the opinion that she did have something of a relationship with Viktor but she was also able to see very early on in the piece that Ron actually did have feelings for her, something that would have made her step back a bit from it.

This is basically my take on the sequence of events up to and including Viktor, all IMO of course.

POA - Hermione's breakdown: The first firm indication that she feels something for Ron.
GOF - Leadup to the ball: The indications are that she held off accepting the invite from Viktor for some time before deciding to accept, the turning point seemed to be Ron's infamous trolls comment. I feel that was when she realised (incorrectly as it seems) that Ron wasn't interested in her that way. It was then that she decided to 'give up on him'.
GOF - Yule ball and brawl: Ron's behaviour both at the ball and afterward gives Hermione the first indication that Ron does feel something for her. Characteristically at the time he doesn't realise it but it's there for her to see.
GOF - Post the second task: Despite attempts to attract her attention by Viktor Hermione's first concern is Harry and Ron. Despite Viktor's obvious feelings ('the thing he'd most miss') she clearly doesn't reciprocate.
GOF - The visitors leave: There is a short, private conversation between Hermione and Viktor following which he acknowledges Ron. Now we can only guess at what was said but I suspect that it was the 'can we still be friends' speech.


If nothing else, it would be a bit pathetic if Hermione were 17 and had only kissed one guy once! JKR also would not feel the need to have Ron catch up with her.
I doubt she kissed one guy once, but I also doubt she had a full on relationship with Viktor either which is the way Ron interpreted it after Ginny's none to subtle comment.

The bit about Ron being chased by the garter was not my creation. I only wrote the one about Hermione and the bouquet. I thought it was pretty funny though.

I am seriously considering playing around with this idea. It would make a fun little fic. ;)
Oh please do, you're quite welcome to use the flying garter in any way, shape or form you wish, I happily cede you the copyright. :p

Ginny's behavior is not consistent with someone who has broken a confidence and revealed a secret. She appears to be oblivious to her part in the whole Won-Won/Lav-Lav debacle. She doesn't even appear to be aware of Hermione's feelings for Ron. When she points Ron out to Harry (kissing Lavender in the common room) she smirks and calls him a hypocrite and makes fun of his technique. She is not the least bit concerned about how Hermione is going to react or if she will be hurt. These things go against the idea of Ginny being a "confidant" to Hermione.
That's an intersting thought, I'm not sure if I agree though however she's obviously aware of Ron's feelings.

Hermione doesn't know why Ron gets mad at her - she asks Harry. It appears as though she never finds out. She never got upset with Ginny for "revealing her secret".
Hmm, to be a fly on the wall in the girls dorms :evil:, just for the gossip of course. :whistle:

(Note_: I added those smileys after I re read that sentence, didn't want to do a Wimsey)

Where to from Here? Erm, OBHWF heaven?

Wow, I stick out like a sore thumb. *leaves*

That is a bad example. Ginny had kept that secret: it was because of circumstances (Percy told them half of the story) that she was sort of cornered into telling the rest.
(Also, Ginny did this to Percy, whom nobody particularly likes. Even Hermione has problems with him!)

Finally, you cannot hold what someone does at 11 to what they do when they are older. Ginny does not stick her elbows in butter anymore. Moreover, we have canon evidence that Ginny is Hermione's sole confidant. Ginny is the only one who knew about Krum. Also, these things tend to work both ways: at the same time, Ginny is getting coached on Harry.

Just because nobody liked Percy doesn't make it okay. He asked her not to tell and she told anyway. He told them something happened - she didn't have to tell them exactly what it was.

The Weasleys have quick tempers and often speak their minds without thinking - Ginny is no exception as her argument with Ron proves.

I just think that Hermione would take all of that into consideration before confiding in Ginny - particularly anything that would give away her feelings about Ron. Even if she gave her allowances for being only 11 years old and nobody liking Percy - I have doubts that she would tell Ginny how she feels about Ron. Ginny is most often compared to the twins and she is not above using information against her brothers - again, her argument with Ron shows that.

I disagree! Ginny is clearly quite disgusted with Ron, and her knowledge of Hermione's feelings likely explains that in part.

I thought she was more amused than disgusted. She smirked, called him a hypocrite and then commented that it looked like he was "eating her face" and said he had to "perfect his technique somehow". She was making fun of him and laughing. She showed no concern about Hermione at all. She clearly didn't know how Hermione felt about Ron.

Also, this is a bit of a negative evidence argument. Hermione and Ginny talk almost entirely "off screen": Hermione knows all about the "bumps" between Ginny and Dean but we never see that discussed. Confidantes only work if information goes both ways. If Hermione is not entrusting Ginny with information, then why would Ginny be entrusting Hermione with information?

That's not an uncommon occurance - particularly when you have friends who have a significant age difference. Hermione is two years older than Ginny. Hermione is one of Harry's best friends and knows him very well. Hermione also has an "interfering" personality. Did Ginny ask her for advice about Harry or did Hermione volunteer advice like she did Harry about Cho? We don't know. It could have happened either way. They younger girl going to the older girl for advice or the older girl taking it upon herself to give unsolicited advice. Either scenario works. Ginny knows that Hermione can keep a secret - she kept the time turner a secret for an entire year.

Now, I'm not saying that Hermione wouldn't confide anything in Ginny. I just don't think she would confide anything in Ginny that she didn't want to get back to Ron. It's one thing for Ginny to confide in Hermione regarding Harry. Harry and Hermione are just friends and outside of school and a few weeks in the summer (except for HBP) don't spend that much time together. Ginny and Ron are brother and sister. Not only do they see each other frequently at school, they live together outside of school. That's a big risk. Anything she tells Ginny has a good chance of getting back to Ron - even if it is just a mistake because they get into an argument and Ginny lets something slip.

Again, we cannot know that never found out. Harry never told her, but it is possible that Ginny confessed her mistake. If Hermione got mad at Ginny, then it would have been off camera: everything that could have led to it would have been well out of Harry's earshot.

I don't think she knows yet. After Ron was poisoned, it appeared as though they just "forgave and forgot" like they did after the Yule Ball. I don't think they have fully discussed everything yet. That is just my opinion based on their behavior.

If Hermione got mad at Ginny, I think everybody would know about it - especially Harry. Hermione has a nasty temper and what Ginny said led to a lot of pain and heartbreak for both Ron and Hermione. Whether she said it from firsthand knowledge or made an assumption that was wrong, either way it would make Hermione angry. The other thing is that Harry had realized his feelings for Ginny at this point and was paying a lot of attention to her. I think he would have noticed if Hermione and Ginny had an argument.

After all, we never see Ginny tell Hermione anything about her relationship with Dean, but Hermione knows. What the two girls say "off-camera," we cannot say. However, we have ample evidence that both confide in the other.

That is a matter of opinion. Hermione has shown in the past that she is very observant and very good at figuring things out without being told (Cho). Hermione witnessed Ginny and Dean having rows and passed that information along to Harry because she knew that Harry had started liking Ginny. Harry never told her but she figured it out - just as she figured out that he liked Cho and figured out how Cho was feeling and why she was crying when she kissed Harry.

Ultimately, I take JKR's comments in the MN/TLC interview as confirming that there was a lot more than one kiss between Krum and Hermione. Basically, JKR views Ron as having caught up now. If Krum & Hermione had had one chaste kiss, then this would not be true.

Again, a matter of opinion. Moving past the disturbing thought of an 18 year old boy falling for and going after a 15 year old girl (*shudder*), Hermione's behavior doesn't coincide with that assumption. For a 15 year old girl - particularly on like Hermione who has never been noticed by boys - a chaste kiss is a lot. I do think she got a decent kiss but I only think there was one - her behavior in GOF just isn't consistent with someone "making out" on a regular basis. In addition to a kiss, she was spectacularly wooed by Krum. He told her that he had never felt like that for anyone else and invited her to visit him over the summer (another disturbing thought - she was only 15! - my father would have killed him) Hermione's response to all this was to brush him off and pay more attention to Harry and Ron to the point that Krum felt the need to ask Harry what was going on between him and Hermione.

Now, it is not that I want for Hermione to "not" have had a relationship with Krum. I do. I just don't think it was as extreme as Ron's relationship with Lavender. I think Hermione's relationship with Krum was more innocent - a lot of wooing and romantic gestures from Krum with one good kiss. For a 15 year old girl like Hermione, that would have been spectacular.

JKR's statements indicate that she feels that Ron's relationship with Lavender put him on "even footing" with Hermione and Harry. Harry only got one kiss and one bad date from Cho. Hermione got one kiss and a lot of romance from Krum. Ron got a lot of kissing but nothing else from Lavender (except for an embarrassing nickname anyway :rotfl: ). They have all had experience now and are on "even footing". Their experiences were different but their personalities are different and they all learned from their experiences. That left Harry ready to start a "serious" relationship with Ginny and Ron and Hermione are in good position to start a serious relationship with each other.

Now, just a few things that I have thought about in regards to one kiss versus major snogging for Hermione and Krum - also Ginny's interpretation of these events.

1 - Hermione has maintained for two years that she is just friends with Krum and pen pals. She is very adamant about that, particularly in OOTP. She has gone to a lot of trouble to "hide" the fact that she kissed Krum - even Rita Skeeter didn't appear to know about it. Who is she trying to convince that she and Krum are just friends? Ron. She does not want Ron to know about that kiss - at least it appears that way.

2 - Her behavior in GOF was not consistent with a girl getting kissed on a regular basis - she wasn't "swept off her feet" - no dreamy smiles or blushing when she saw him - she didn't show up with mussed hair or swollen lips. She was very practical about the whole thing. She just didn't seem to be that interested in Krum. This is the main reason I think there was only one kiss. She got one good kiss and realized that she didn't have those kinds of feelings for Krum and decided to just be friends with him - she just had to convince him because he obviously felt a lot more for her.

3 - Harry's kiss with Cho. Nobody knows the details of what happened there - not even Ron and Hermione. He just told them they kissed and that Cho was crying - no other details were given - not even in his thoughts. Now, personally, I think he got a good little snog there. He had to be there for at least 10-15 minutes because he was back at the common room a half hour later (I'm allowing 10-15 minutes for him to walk back to Gryffindor tower in his dazed condition ;)) Anyway, the point is that nobody - not even Ron and Hermione - knows exactly what happened - no details have ever been given. When Ginny says that Harry snogged Cho, she is making an assumption based on only the knowledge that Harry and Cho kissed once and had one date.

4 - I think Ginny is doing the same thing with Hermione and Krum. Let's say, for the sake of argument that Hermione did tell her that Krum kissed her. That doesn't mean she gave her a lot of details. She could have simply said "He kissed me" and Ginny made an assumption - just like she did with Harry. It could also be that Hermione didn't tell her anything and Ginny is making an assumption based on what she would have done. Ginny does not consider kissing to be a big deal - that is made apparent in her argument with Ron. That was the point she was trying to make to Ron by pointing out that everyone had been kissed but him. Of course, Ginny may have changed her mind now that she has dated Harry - considering that her two boyfriends were attempts to "move on" because she had "given up" on Harry. ;)

5 - Ginny's behavior is not consistent with someone who has revealed a secret. There is no guilt. She didn't stop and hold her hand over her mouth like "Oh no! What did I just do?" She didn't appear to be apologetic later on. She didn't appear to even realize that it was the comment about Krum that caused Ron to start dating Lavender. She doesn't appear to know that Hermione has feelings for Ron. When she points out Ron kissing Lavender to Harry she is amused and makes fun of him and shows no concern over how Hermione might react.

6 - Hermione's behavior is not consistent with someone whose confidence has been betrayed. It does not appear that she ever found out why Ron got mad at her - she does not appear to be upset with Ginny. Even when Ginny snaps at her (when Harry used Sectumsempra), Hermione said nothing to Ginny. That would have been a moment to do so. Ginny was pretty nasty to Hermione - don't you find it odd that she wouldn't say something about Ginny betraying her confidence if she knew?

I don't know if we will actually ever "hear" Ron and Hermione discuss this. If we did, I would expect their conversation to be along the lines of Ron asking her about it - or admitting that he started dating Lavender because he was jealous when he found out about it - and Hermione telling him that Krum kissed her once and it was nice but she just didn't have those kinds of feelings for him. Once everything is settled with Ron, I expect Hermione will go after Ginny and demand to know what on earth was she thinking to say something like that to Ron and then Ginny will realize what happened and apologize for it. All tied up nice and neat. ;)

Well, they'll probably snog a bit. I guess I just do not see any reason to think that they have not already done that off-camera. I suppose part of me really just does not want to see that stuff: it's bad enough in real life, why ruin a perfectly good novel with it?? :cool:

I just don't think they have yet. I think Harry will either witness it or hear about it immediately when it happens. I just don't think they would hide it from him, particularly Ron. When it happens, Ron is going to be over the moon with happiness. It's going to be obvious (Ron's face is just so expressive) and give new meaning to the words "anvil-sized". ;)

Like I said, I don't think there are going to be chapters of snogging and romance between them. I just think we're going to get a few paragraphs - maybe a page or two. That's about it. I will be happy with just one good snog. Just one. That's all I need to see. Book 7 is going to focus on the Horcruxes and the final battle. The epilogue could have some romance in it though.

Wow. Well, maybe it really is different in blue states! It's considered almost as sexist as having a wife pledge to obey her husband here! (It was never mentioned when we got married; I was thinking of tossing a six-pack with the promise of 6 more years of bachelorhood to whomever caught it, though.....)

Well, I live in Ohio but I'm from Kentucky originally. I haven't been to any weddings here in Ohio - all the ones I mentioned occurred in Kentucky. I think it really depends on the couple. I know a few people who probably wouldn't do the "throwing the garter" bit. I've never heard anyone say it was sexist though. I don't think it is sexist - it goes along with throwing the bouquet, IMO. The few that I know just wouldn't be comfortable raising their skirt up like that in public. ;)

Well, Ron and Hermione will both be 18 in the next book.... Wouldn't it be so romantic if he proposed to her and they eloped together (with Harry) ...? It would be just like history (Molly and Arthur) repeating itself.

I'm going to address this further in your more specific post below but I do want to say here that I don't think Hermione would confide that much to Ginny. Ginny is Ron's sister and has been known to use information against her brothers. At the end of COS, she gleefully informed the twins that Percy had a girlfriend even though he asked her not to say anything. She has proven herself not to be trustworthy in such matters.

Ginny's behavior is not consistent with someone who has broken a confidence and revealed a secret. She appears to be oblivious to her part in the whole Won-Won/Lav-Lav debacle. She doesn't even appear to be aware of Hermione's feelings for Ron. When she points Ron out to Harry (kissing Lavender in the common room) she smirks and calls him a hypocrite and makes fun of his technique. She is not the least bit concerned about how Hermione is going to react or if she will be hurt. These things go against the idea of Ginny being a "confidant" to Hermione.

Hermione doesn't know why Ron gets mad at her - she asks Harry. It appears as though she never finds out. She never got upset with Ginny for "revealing her secret".

I'll have to disagree with you on this one (a rare case since I agree on pretty much everything you post :D). Hermione does confide a lot to Ginny and I don't think she took Ginny's quick temper into consideration when she spilled the beans on everything to her. The only thing which Hermione probably didn't tell Ginny was the fact that she has feelings for Ron. And I think Ginny did tell Hermione that she told Ron about her and Vicky and they probably sorted it out within themselves. I have a feeling that Ginny didn't exactly choose her words wisely when she was fighting with Ron. I can't imagine her saying "In case you didn't know Ron, Hermione had one kiss with Krum and that makes you a loser." The word "snogging" had a bigger impact on the situation. A better explaination would be that Ginny wasn't thinking straight when she said that.

And this thing about Percy, well, everyone was happy that Harry saved the school from Slytherin's monster and that Ginny was okay, so it was a lighthearted moment for everyone and Ginny thought it would add to the happiness if she told them about Percy's new found love.

5 - Ginny's behavior is not consistent with someone who has revealed a secret. There is no guilt. She didn't stop and hold her hand over her mouth like "Oh no! What did I just do?" She didn't appear to be apologetic later on. She didn't appear to even realize that it was the comment about Krum that caused Ron to start dating Lavender. She doesn't appear to know that Hermione has feelings for Ron. When she points out Ron kissing Lavender to Harry she is amused and makes fun of him and shows no concern over how Hermione might react.

6 - Hermione's behavior is not consistent with someone whose confidence has been betrayed. It does not appear that she ever found out why Ron got mad at her - she does not appear to be upset with Ginny. Even when Ginny snaps at her (when Harry used Sectumsempra), Hermione said nothing to Ginny. That would have been a moment to do so. Ginny was pretty nasty to Hermione - don't you find it odd that she wouldn't say something about Ginny betraying her confidence if she knew?

I agree with you. My guess is that Hermione knows a lot more of Ginny's love life that Ginny knows of Hermione's.
Either that, or Ginny was just mean and a poor friend to Hermione.

I agree with you. My guess is that Hermione knows a lot more of Ginny's love life that Ginny knows of Hermione's.
Either that, or Ginny was just mean and a poor friend to Hermione.

Exactly! A lot of people just assumes that what Ginny said is completely true and Ginny knows it because Hermione must have told her but nobody seems to realize that just makes Ginny a very poor friend.

I mean it's obvious that Ginny is making an assumption about Harry and Cho. He never told anyone the details of his kiss with Cho - not even Ron and Hermione. He just confirmed that they kissed when Hermione asked him and said she was crying. That was it. Ginny has no way of knowing for sure that "Harry snogged Cho Chang". Now I am using the definition of "snog" that I found on a British-To-American website that says that "snog" is basically a crude term for "making out". My generation called it sucking face. By that definition - Ron and Lavender were snogging but whether or not Harry and Cho did is up in the air because he never shared the details.

So, since Ginny is obviously making an assumption about Harry, why is it so hard to believe that she is making an assumption about Hermione too?

Exactly! A lot of people just assumes that what Ginny said is completely true and Ginny knows it because Hermione must have told her but nobody seems to realize that just makes Ginny a very poor friend.

I mean it's obvious that Ginny is making an assumption about Harry and Cho. He never told anyone the details of his kiss with Cho - not even Ron and Hermione. He just confirmed that they kissed when Hermione asked him and said she was crying. That was it. Ginny has no way of knowing for sure that "Harry snogged Cho Chang". Now I am using the definition of "snog" that I found on a British-To-American website that says that "snog" is basically a crude term for "making out". My generation called it sucking face. By that definition - Ron and Lavender were snogging but whether or not Harry and Cho did is up in the air because he never shared the details.

So, since Ginny is obviously making an assumption about Harry, why is it so hard to believe that she is making an assumption about Hermione too?

Although I tend to agree that Ginny was exaggerating about the extent of Harry/Cho's and Hermione/Viktor's snogging, it's possible that Ginny heard about Harry and Cho from her Ravenclaw friends. Ginny was dating Michael Corner at the same time Harry was seeing Cho, and she was friends with Luna, so she could have indirectly heard Cho's perspective on the relationship.

I think Harry and Cho might have had more than one opportunity to be alone. The first was the Room of Requirement, which was a significant moment because it was Harry's first kiss, so we heard a lot about it. But after their fight in Hogsmeade, Harry and Cho briefly made up and were together until Marietta betrayed the DA. We don't hear anything about what went on, but it's possible there was more snogging.

Similarly, we don't hear more about Hermione and Viktor after the Yule Ball, but they had to have seen each other around school, and they might have met privately. Hermione would have kept the meetings quiet from Harry and Ron, but she might have confided in Ginny.

I think Hermione and Ginny are good enough friends to weather Ginny's unwitting participation in getting Ron and Lavender together. Hermione was very hurt by Ron's behavior, and it's difficult for her to be around Ron and Lavender, but I can see her being coached by Ginny that Ron will tire of Lavender, and that he will come to his senses and realize he cares for Hermione.

There's so much we don't know about what happens outside Harry's point of view, and since he's so obtuse about relationships, events happening in front of his face might go totally unremarked by him. So we're reduced to piecing together bits of text and relying on what we know about the characters to extrapolate their behavior.

I always thought Krum kissed Hermione when he was saying goodbye to her. I actually thought that Ron knew about it, because he was trying to look at them when they went to the side. Even if he couldn't see the kiss, I had assumed he thought they were going to kiss.

Anyway, I definately think Ron has had the most physical contact with the opposite sex at this point. But I think out of the trio, he was the one that needed that "learning experience" more than the other two. Harry and Hermione didn't need a mindless physical fling. But Ron was so fixated on all these unattainable older women, that he had the wrong idea about love. I think his relationship with Lavender showed him what was really important. Not to mention working out those rampant hormones a bit.;)

I think Hermione and Ginny are good enough friends to weather Ginny's unwitting participation in getting Ron and Lavender together.

I think they are.
However, if Ginny really did know about Hermione's feelings, her involvement was not only unwitting but also plain wrong. As a friend you just don't do that. And throughout the whole thing Ginny did not seem to care at all for Hermione's feelings. Not one bit, if she's such a good friend how could she have done that?
That's why (for Ginny's sake as a character) I think she doesn't know that much of Hermione's love life. She could be just assuming stuff.

My opinion, anyway...

I think they are.
However, if Ginny really did know about Hermione's feelings, her involvement was not only unwitting but also plain wrong. As a friend you just don't do that. And throughout the whole thing Ginny did not seem to care at all for Hermione's feelings. Not one bit, if she's such a good friend how could she have done that?
That's why (for Ginny's sake as a character) I think she doesn't know that much of Hermione's love life. She could be just assuming stuff.

My opinion, anyway...

Yes, it was wrong, but I know how angry siblings can make a person. Ginny was in a rage, and likely didn't have control over what she was saying. As I mentioned, there's so much we don't know about Ginny's and Hermione's conversations after Ron and Lavender started dating. I think, given that they've been friends for years, Ginny and Hermione were able to work out any problems that ensued from what Ginny said. But none of us really know, and you're right, this is just another opinion. :agree:

Ginny was mocking Ron to Harry, not Hermione, and neither were aware that Hermione was in the room. Harry only turned and saw Hermione leave after he had been talking to Ginny. Ginny is unfeeling about Ron going out with Lavender, because she knows that Ron doesn't really care about Lavender. Ginny treats Lavender the same way she treated Fleur because neither girl (in Ginny's opinion) is right for her brother.

ok, the way i see it is:

god i wish i was ron!

Just as a brief aside has anyone had a look at this editorial on Mugglenet (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/madampuddifoot/edit-ccowles.shtml) yet? Basically it suggests that Hermione and Ron may marry sooner rather than later to avoid certain problems. I'm not sure if the reasoning is entirely plausable but it's an interesting idea to say the least.

Viktor is a nice guy but Ron is her soul mate! Come on their the best of friends when they aren't fighting for stupid reasons

Just as a brief aside has anyone had a look at this editorial on Mugglenet (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/madampuddifoot/edit-ccowles.shtml) yet? Basically it suggests that Hermione and Ron may marry sooner rather than later to avoid certain problems. I'm not sure if the reasoning is entirely plausable but it's an interesting idea to say the least.I'm almost sure it's not going to happen but I found her theory entirely plausible. She does have some fair points. One was Hermione not being legal in the muggle world. However, I don't see how her parents could hold her because all she needs to do is apparate. Another was Mrs. Weasley talking about all the eloping that went on during Voldemort's first quest for power. It would be great if her theory were true though :) but I won't hold my breath.

Cheers :tu:

I expect there will be too much going on in Book 7 for JKR to have the Ron/Hermione jealousy going on for too long over Krum. I also believe that yes they might marry early because of the threat with LV. Hermione chosing Ron could make a difference in whose side Krum ends up helping.

Charlie works for the Order recruiting foreign wizards. Charlie was a Quidditch captain and seeker. Let's see, what foreign guy will Charlie have things in common with to strike up a friendship and recruit to the Order? Plus Krum, as far as we know, is a good guy. Yet, he has studied the Dark Arts at Drumstrang. To get a handle on Dark Arts, Hermione needs access to a library of such books.

A funny scenario would be for Charlie to arrive at the Burrow for the wedding. He sees the trio and Ginny at the breakfast table. He says, "Hey, little brother! Guess who I brought to the house? You'll be thrilled!"

In walks Krum, "Hello, Herm-o-ninny."

Hermione blushes, Ron turns purple, Ginny rolls her eyes, and Harry experiences the sensation of "face-palms."


That scene would be brilliant!

Just as a brief aside has anyone had a look at this editorial on Mugglenet (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/madampuddifoot/edit-ccowles.shtml) yet? Basically it suggests that Hermione and Ron may marry sooner rather than later to avoid certain problems. I'm not sure if the reasoning is entirely plausable but it's an interesting idea to say the least.

I cracked up when I read that editorial. As entertaining as it might be if those two really did get married, I highly doubt they will. Ron and Hermione might as well get killed by Mrs. Weasley instead of going through the hardship of facing Voldemort and his crew :D.

"Did you hear what happened to Ron and Hermione in the Common Room last night?" said Parvati.

"What what?" said Lav-Lav

"They had a huge row and *insert full details of the fight* and they ended up kissing."

"Hmmm interesting. Hey did I tell you I lost my lipgloss#600 today?"



*sniffs and wipes a tear*. That would be SO nice. Ok how about they do the dance and then they go off to a more private place "to talk" whilst the twins, dragging Harry along, spy on them shamelessly.

I've switched to cheesy mode again. Oh dear....[/QUOTE]

yes! Harry and the twins (pos. Ginny) scheaming together! Oh! i like it! :eyebrows:

I have heard a similar idea from another forum that Jo Rowling may end the book 7 with Ron and Hermione being engaged. This will give Harry something hopeful to experience in near future while waiting for Ginny to graduate before popping the question to her. A sort of happy hopeful ending.

I'm almost sure it's not going to happen but I found her theory entirely plausible. She does have some fair points. One was Hermione not being legal in the muggle world. However, I don't see how her parents could hold her because all she needs to do is apparate.
Yes, true enough, but I can't see Hermione as walking away from her family like that. If only we had more of a clue as to what sort of people the Grangers are or more to the point what kind of a relationship Hermione has with her parents. Being parents of a muggle born witch that's closely involved with both Harry and the Weasleys could make Drs Granger quite vulnerable. It'd be interesting if they had to stay at the Burrow for protection and what ramifications that visit could have on her relationship with Ron.

Another was Mrs. Weasley talking about all the eloping that went on during Voldemort's first quest for power. It would be great if her theory were true though :) but I won't hold my breath.
Nor will I. :eyebrows:

Frankly I don't think we'll see much more than a passing nod to relationships in book seven with the possibility of some verification of same in the epilogue.

I cracked up when I read that editorial. As entertaining as it might be if those two really did get married, I highly doubt they will. Ron and Hermione might as well get killed by Mrs. Weasley instead of going through the hardship of facing Voldemort and his crew :D.
Yes, a truly angry Molly can be a force of nature. In that way she's a lot like Hermione or more accurately Hermione is a lot like her. Still even if this were to come to pass I don't think that'd really upset Molly so much as being left out of the news.

I have heard a similar idea from another forum that Jo Rowling may end the book 7 with Ron and Hermione being engaged. This will give Harry something hopeful to experience in near future while waiting for Ginny to graduate before popping the question to her. A sort of happy hopeful ending.
Yes well if book seven follows the pattern of a year in a book then it'll finish pretty close to Ginny's seventeenth birthday (provided she survives). A double engagement and the prospect of a normal life ahead of the foursome could make for an satisfactory epilogue.

I doubt they'll get married, but I think it's pretty much inevitable that they'll become a "couple" in the next book. Well actually I should say (Jo if you're reading this...) they had BETTER become a "couple".

I have heard a similar idea from another forum that Jo Rowling may end the book 7 with Ron and Hermione being engaged. This will give Harry something hopeful to experience in near future while waiting for Ginny to graduate before popping the question to her. A sort of happy hopeful ending.

aww...one of my theories for book 7 is that Harry will have a very intimate scene with Ginny in which he tells her that if they survive this, he'll marry her. It enhances the common romance element in the epic story. I'm such a girl. :blush:

As for Ron and Hermione, I am curious to see what Mrs. Weasley's reaction will be. I hope Jo devotes some time to that. :rotfl:

I seem to be on my own in this, but I really hope there will be no mention of engagements, marriage, kids, or "happily ever after" ANYWHERE in Book 7. It would be such a boring, mundane way to end the series, and would really spoil the end for me.
And why would people get married or even engaged straight out of highschool??? I realize this happens with some people, but still a minority. And most people don't just settle down for the rest of their life with the partner they had when they were 16.
It seems that most people think that the characters' relationships aren't going to be 'complete', or valid or whatever, until they marry. Not so. I haven't seen any evidence that Harry+Ginny and Ron+Hermione are destined to spend the rest of their lives together. It's highschool, people. The chances of most people still being with their 6th year crush when they're 40 are slim at best.

I seem to be on my own in this, but I really hope there will be no mention of engagements, marriage, kids, or "happily ever after" ANYWHERE in Book 7. It would be such a boring, mundane way to end the series, and would really spoil the end for me.
And why would people get married or even engaged straight out of highschool??? I realize this happens with some people, but still a minority. And most people don't just settle down for the rest of their life with the partner they had when they were 16.
It seems that most people think that the characters' relationships aren't going to be 'complete', or valid or whatever, until they marry. Not so. I haven't seen any evidence that Harry+Ginny and Ron+Hermione are destined to spend the rest of their lives together. It's highschool, people. The chances of most people still being with their 6th year crush when they're 40 are slim at best.

But this is not the real world. In the real world, you would not have couples who have been through so much together. These kids have been through more with each other and know each other better than most adults. JKR has taken steps to ensure that they are not falling in love and staying together from high school on.

Ron and Hermione haven't gotten together yet. They have both been with other people. By the time they do get together, they will be ready for it.

Harry and Ginny did get together but broke up. They will not get back together officially for a while - maybe not until the whole thing is over. They have also been with other people. By the time they get back together, they will be ready for it.

JKR set it up so that none of them kissed their "true love" first. They were all with someone else first. She did that intentionally. She has put them through adult problems and extremely dangerous situations together. They have faced death together. When they all get together, they will be better equipped and more prepared than most adults are when they get married.

But this is not the real world. In the real world, you would not have couples who have been through so much together. These kids have been through more with each other and know each other better than most adults. JKR has taken steps to ensure that they are not falling in love and staying together from high school on.

Ron and Hermione haven't gotten together yet. They have both been with other people. By the time they do get together, they will be ready for it.

Harry and Ginny did get together but broke up. They will not get back together officially for a while - maybe not until the whole thing is over. They have also been with other people. By the time they get back together, they will be ready for it.

JKR set it up so that none of them kissed their "true love" first. They were all with someone else first. She did that intentionally. She has put them through adult problems and extremely dangerous situations together. They have faced death together. When they all get together, they will be better equipped and more prepared than most adults are when they get married.

They might have faced death together, but in terms of romance they're all completely inexperienced. Harry, Ron and Hermione have each kissed one person. That hardly counts for a lot. To date, Ginny is the only one to have had a long-term relationship (by which I mean one that lasts for more than a few weeks). Ron's relationship with Lav-Lav had no emotional content, Harry and Cho's relationship was over before it started, and you can't really say that Hermione and Krum were ever really a couple. That's hardly what I'd call being 'ready' for a life-long commitment.

I realise it's not real life, but why would you just assume they're going to get married? It's not like it's the only option available to them, they're not living in the 1800s. Unless you think any kind of relationship out of wedlock is a sin, or that being in love with someone will just automatically lead to marriage. Neither of these things hold true these days, at least not where I live.

The idea of these characters getting married would never ever have occured to me if I had not been reading these threads, but it seems to be an automatic assumption with people here. I'm trying to understand why, cos it doesn't make sense to me.

I realise it's not real life, but why would you just assume they're going to get married? It's not like it's the only option available to them, they're not living in the 1800s. Unless you think any kind of relationship out of wedlock is a sin, or that being in love with someone will just automatically lead to marriage. Neither of these things hold true these days, at least not where I live.

But the wizarding world isn't like our world, it's a lot more old-fashioned. Think about it, these days kids of 13 are getting pregnant, and drinking, and getting up to god knows what else. And the kids in Harry Potter? They've been caught out of bed after hours a few times. They've snuck out of bounds the odd time. They've nicked some food from the kitchen for a party. They sound more like kids in an Enid Blyton boarding school story then the teenagers of today! And everyone's parents in the HP world seem to be married, so it must be the done thing in their society. The only single mothers we've heard of are widowed.

I seem to be on my own in this, but I really hope there will be no mention of engagements, marriage, kids, or "happily ever after" ANYWHERE in Book 7. It would be such a boring, mundane way to end the series, and would really spoil the end for me.
And why would people get married or even engaged straight out of highschool??? I realize this happens with some people, but still a minority. And most people don't just settle down for the rest of their life with the partner they had when they were 16.
It seems that most people think that the characters' relationships aren't going to be 'complete', or valid or whatever, until they marry. Not so. I haven't seen any evidence that Harry+Ginny and Ron+Hermione are destined to spend the rest of their lives together. It's highschool, people. The chances of most people still being with their 6th year crush when they're 40 are slim at best.


I can see your point, but I got the impression that the wizarding world is, in a sense, like an old-fashioned muggle world, with old fashioned values. Another thing I picked up on is that during the "war" a lot of people had early engagements and marriages...and now the war is back on, so its plausible this might happen again. I'm not saying I want that, but I can see why some people think the books might end that way. I don't think they'll end with a proposal or anything, but if Jo Rowling does an epilogue, she might say who married whom.

They might have faced death together, but in terms of romance they're all completely inexperienced. Harry, Ron and Hermione have each kissed one person. That hardly counts for a lot. To date, Ginny is the only one to have had a long-term relationship (by which I mean one that lasts for more than a few weeks). Ron's relationship with Lav-Lav had no emotional content, Harry and Cho's relationship was over before it started, and you can't really say that Hermione and Krum were ever really a couple. That's hardly what I'd call being 'ready' for a life-long commitment.

I realise it's not real life, but why would you just assume they're going to get married? It's not like it's the only option available to them, they're not living in the 1800s. Unless you think any kind of relationship out of wedlock is a sin, or that being in love with someone will just automatically lead to marriage. Neither of these things hold true these days, at least not where I live.

The idea of these characters getting married would never ever have occured to me if I had not been reading these threads, but it seems to be an automatic assumption with people here. I'm trying to understand why, cos it doesn't make sense to me.

Okay, I see what you are saying. But look at it this way. There is a very wise saying - you should marry your best friend. When you are choosing the person with whom you are going to spend the rest of your life - who do you want that person to be? Someone you just met and are getting to know or someone you have grown up with and already knows everything about you - the good and the bad - and loves you for everything you are?

What JKR has done is to put these people together at a young age - they know each other better than anyone else. Ron and Hermione have both had relationships outside of the trio with Lavender and Krum. Neither of those relationships were serious or had the necessary emotional connection because they weren't meant to be. Krum will never know Hermione as well as Ron does. Lavender will never know Ron as well as Hermione does. They have known each other since they were 11/12 years old. They have grown up together and faced trials and dangers together that most adults haven't faced. They know everything about each other - the good and the bad. They have seen each other at their best and at their worst. No one will ever know them or understand them the way they understand each other. They have had their outside relationships and learned things about themselves and, more importantly, they learned what they don't want. They don't want shallow, physical relationships. They want something more - something they already have in their friendship. They will just be taking that friendship to the next level.

Harry and Ginny have further to go. Ginny probably understands Harry better than anyone but he is still getting to know her - he knows pretty much everything about her but has just recently started getting to know her as a person. He hasn't been through as much with her as he has with his friends but they have been through a lot - the events in COS and OOTP. JKR created Ginny to be Harry's ideal mate. Ginny has had other relationships but I wouldn't say they were serious - they were attempts to "get over" her crush on Harry because she didn't think he would ever return her feelings. Harry had a failed relationship with Cho - they never had a chance because Cedric would always be between them. Harry is unique in the sense that he never had true family. Because of the way he was raised, he knows what he wants and he found it with Ginny. When it is all over, they will be ready to take that next step. Harry will never find anyone else who understands him the way Ginny does. Like Ron and Hermione, they have seen each other at their worst and at their best. They know everything about each other - the good and the bad. By the time it is all over, they will know each other better than anyone else will ever know them.

Sure, they will have other options but they will never find with anyone else what they already have with each other. It happens that way in real life as well - it is a rare and beautiful thing. The strongest relationships are those that are built upon friendship first.

I heard at the end of 'Speed' that 'relationships based on extreme circumstances don't often work out'. Jo seems to want to keep the relationships in the book as 'in spite of' the circumstances than 'due to' them. Arthur and Molly, Lily and James got together either in school. Bill and Fleur were working at Gringotts. So were Remus and Tonks. Initially, after reading a lot of fanfic, I thought that Ginny might pull Harry out of a depression and the intimacy involved would set them up. But instead, it happened in a perfectly normal way, with Harry noticing Ginny over the summer and ending up together in a victory celebration.

So, following the pattern, Ron and Hermione might get together at the wedding. They already know they like each other, and its just a matter of making the next move. The wedding might give them the chance to do just that. I don't think that it will happen over some grieving event. It just doesn't work out that way, and one, if not both, parties would end up feeling used as a vent for feelings.

I think Harry might be unlucky enough to walk in on their first kiss. We'd never know otherwise. Neither Ron nor Hermione is one to kiss and tell. There's also the chance that they got together after Ron and Lav's break up. They certainly seemed more comfortable getting physical after that, until Lav saw them.

I heard at the end of 'Speed' that 'relationships based on extreme circumstances don't often work out'. Jo seems to want to keep the relationships in the book as 'in spite of' the circumstances than 'due to' them. Arthur and Molly, Lily and James got together either in school. Bill and Fleur were working at Gringotts. So were Remus and Tonks. Initially, after reading a lot of fanfic, I thought that Ginny might pull Harry out of a depression and the intimacy involved would set them up. But instead, it happened in a perfectly normal way, with Harry noticing Ginny over the summer and ending up together in a victory celebration.

So, following the pattern, Ron and Hermione might get together at the wedding. They already know they like each other, and its just a matter of making the next move. The wedding might give them the chance to do just that. I don't think that it will happen over some grieving event. It just doesn't work out that way, and one, if not both, parties would end up feeling used as a vent for feelings.

I think Harry might be unlucky enough to walk in on their first kiss. We'd never know otherwise. Neither Ron nor Hermione is one to kiss and tell. There's also the chance that they got together after Ron and Lav's break up. They certainly seemed more comfortable getting physical after that, until Lav saw them.

Exactly - with everything they have all been through, JKR has been very careful in keeping the romance part of the story separate from everything else that has happened. They aren't getting together because their lives are in danger but in spite of it. Harry and Ginny got together in a very normal way and I think Ron and Hermione will too.

I don't think Ron and Hermione are together yet. I think they have been concentrating on rebuilding their friendship after all that happened with Lavender. With Ron having had a relationship now, that takes some of the tension off on his part. He is no longer so concerned with the fact that Hermione went out with Krum and it appears to have lessened his jealousy.

I think Ron almost dying gave them a new perspective. Hermione realized that she could have lost him and she would rather have him as just a friend than not have him at all. Ron is still insecure and probably thinks he has probably ruined his chances for romance but, like Hermione, he would rather have her as just a friend than not at all. Their friendship is stronger now because of everything they went through in HBP and when they do get together their romance will be stronger because of it as well.

I'm thinking they will get together at the wedding as well. It's just the perfect setting for a new romance to bloom. A normal situation - no "extreme" conditions with their lives being in danger or anything - just friends and family gathered to celebrate love. What better timing?

But the wizarding world isn't like our world, it's a lot more old-fashioned. Think about it, these days kids of 13 are getting pregnant, and drinking, and getting up to god knows what else. And the kids in Harry Potter? They've been caught out of bed after hours a few times. They've snuck out of bounds the odd time. They've nicked some food from the kitchen for a party. They sound more like kids in an Enid Blyton boarding school story then the teenagers of today! And everyone's parents in the HP world seem to be married, so it must be the done thing in their society. The only single mothers we've heard of are widowed.

You make a good point, but Harry and Hermione weren't raised in the wizarding world. Until the age of eleven they knew only the Muggle world, and they still have ties to it. I can't see either of them just adopting 'old-fashioned values' and getting married straight out of high school. Also, I'm not sure how old-fashioned the wizarding world is really. The kids certainly don't get up to the sort of hi-jinks you mentioned, but there's no way you could write about 13-yr-olds drinking and getting pregnant without it becoming a book *about* those things ('issues', in other words). As an example (sorry I can't remember where I read this) I think Hogwarts has had almost equal numbers of male and female heads - no school I know could say this. And there are plenty of witches in the Wizengamot, as Aurors, on Quidditch teams etc... so clearly they don't have old-fashioned ideas about women. In the Muggle world, early marriage tends to be linked to ideas of female oppression - be a virgin until marriage, no financial independence etc. So why would early marriage be important to wizards and witches?

Ok, that got a bit OT.

Sure, they will have other options but they will never find with anyone else what they already have with each other. It happens that way in real life as well - it is a rare and beautiful thing. The strongest relationships are those that are built upon friendship first.

I don't deny that Harry+Ginny and Ron+Hermione have an excellent chance at building strong relationships based on their prior friendships. I still don't see how that logically follows on to 'let's get married as soon as possible'. It would just be... so wrong. However many times they've faced death together, they still have extremely limited experience at interacting with other people on an adult level, outside of school, in a non-life-or-death setting. No matter how mature they seem to be in the context of the books, don't forget that they're still only 16/17, and they can probably look forward to a good 80-100 more years of life if they survive the war. Making a commitment to someone at 18 or so for that long is just... mind-boggling. Unless you believe in the cliches 'love conquers all' and 'happily ever after' which are just too Mills&Boon for me.

Lol... I've gone OT again. It's 3:00am here, hence the rambling :eyebrows: My point, again, is that even if you recognise that they have strong, lasting relationships (which I do) it's extremely odd to jump to the conclusion 'marriage' which is a very very big step and should ideally have some experience behind it. Maybe I am looking for too much realism here... I just don't want to be reading the last ever Harry Potter book and find myself in the middle of a sappy romance novel.

Eh.. I haven't expressed myself very well here. Sorry about that.

as long as ron has the emotional range of a table spoon (thats right upgraded from a tea spoon) :lol: hermioni whaont go out with him. I think he has a bit of growing up to do befor they get together, wich i belive will happen in book 7. This is what happend with harry and ginny, ginny matured from ootp to hbp and this is why harry stopd seeing her a rons little sister. Also theres the fact of the arguing, this happens because they get jelos if the other one goes out with sumone or has ever gon out with sumone. Ron needs to get over the victor hermiony thing and hermiony needs to get over lavender wich they started to do at the end of hbp.

You make a good point, but Harry and Hermione weren't raised in the wizarding world. Until the age of eleven they knew only the Muggle world, and they still have ties to it. I can't see either of them just adopting 'old-fashioned values' and getting married straight out of high school. Also, I'm not sure how old-fashioned the wizarding world is really. The kids certainly don't get up to the sort of hi-jinks you mentioned, but there's no way you could write about 13-yr-olds drinking and getting pregnant without it becoming a book *about* those things ('issues', in other words). As an example (sorry I can't remember where I read this) I think Hogwarts has had almost equal numbers of male and female heads - no school I know could say this. And there are plenty of witches in the Wizengamot, as Aurors, on Quidditch teams etc... so clearly they don't have old-fashioned ideas about women. In the Muggle world, early marriage tends to be linked to ideas of female oppression - be a virgin until marriage, no financial independence etc. So why would early marriage be important to wizards and witches?

Ok, that got a bit OT.



I don't deny that Harry+Ginny and Ron+Hermione have an excellent chance at building strong relationships based on their prior friendships. I still don't see how that logically follows on to 'let's get married as soon as possible'. It would just be... so wrong. However many times they've faced death together, they still have extremely limited experience at interacting with other people on an adult level, outside of school, in a non-life-or-death setting. No matter how mature they seem to be in the context of the books, don't forget that they're still only 16/17, and they can probably look forward to a good 80-100 more years of life if they survive the war. Making a commitment to someone at 18 or so for that long is just... mind-boggling. Unless you believe in the cliches 'love conquers all' and 'happily ever after' which are just too Mills&Boon for me.

Lol... I've gone OT again. It's 3:00am here, hence the rambling :eyebrows: My point, again, is that even if you recognise that they have strong, lasting relationships (which I do) it's extremely odd to jump to the conclusion 'marriage' which is a very very big step and should ideally have some experience behind it. Maybe I am looking for too much realism here... I just don't want to be reading the last ever Harry Potter book and find myself in the middle of a sappy romance novel.

Eh.. I haven't expressed myself very well here. Sorry about that.

I think I get what you are saying. I don't think they are going to get married right out of school - not immediately anyway. I think they will get married eventually though. I think once they get together that will be it for them and eventually they will get married. That will be covered in the epilogue.

Although, it does remain a possibility. It has been pointed out that Harry's parents married right out of school as well as the Weasleys - I think they eloped right out of school. It could happen either way. I don't think they will get married until after Voldemort is defeated - whether that coincides with the end of school or not I don't know. It could be that they defeat Voldemort - then return to school to get their NEWTs - get jobs and then get married.

Although, it does remain a possibility. It has been pointed out that Harry's parents married right out of school as well as the Weasleys - I think they eloped right out of school.

Those are good examples. If I'm rememering the time line correctly, Lily and James were about 20 when they had Harry, so they probably got married closely leaving school, and of course we heard about the quick marriage between the Weasley's in HBP. Also, Fleur gets engaged a year after getting out of school, even though Bill is older. In the "real world", a LOT of people get married after college. I think usually the key is not only finding someone, but being able to support them. I think if wizards get out of school and start working, there's nothing stopping them from getting married. Even to be in a highly skilled job such as an auror, it only takes 3 years, which is less than a muggle college education of 4 years (or more).

I can't see Jo ending the books with everyone getting married. But I also don't think they'd wait very long either. If the time is right, I think the characters will know enough to sieze it.

Those are good examples. If I'm rememering the time line correctly, Lily and James were about 20 when they had Harry, so they probably got married closely leaving school, and of course we heard about the quick marriage between the Weasley's in HBP. Also, Fleur gets engaged a year after getting out of school, even though Bill is older. In the "real world", a LOT of people get married after college. I think usually the key is not only finding someone, but being able to support them. I think if wizards get out of school and start working, there's nothing stopping them from getting married. Even to be in a highly skilled job such as an auror, it only takes 3 years, which is less than a muggle college education of 4 years (or more).

I can't see Jo ending the books with everyone getting married. But I also don't think they'd wait very long either. If the time is right, I think the characters will know enough to sieze it.

According to the timeline, Harry was born in 1980. Using Snape as a reference - Lily and James finished at Hogwarts in 1978. We don't know their exact birthdays though so 19 or 20 would be about right.

The wizarding world is set up differently. They are completely finished with school by the age of 17 or 18 and start their careers. For us poor folks in real life, we have to go on to college and get degrees before we can start our careers. :sad: Yes, I do realize that some careers require additional training (like being an auror) but it is indicated that they are paid during that time - like an apprenticeship or something. They could still get married and be able to support themselves.

He is no longer so concerned with the fact that Hermione went out with Krum and it appears to have lessened his jealousy.

I have a feeling that Vicky's going to strike up problems between them again. So will the issue with Lav-Lav. I think Ron and Hermione will clear out all sorts of obstacles and questions before they actually get together. Otherwise it's going to stalk them for the remainder of their natural lives.

And since everyone's currently on the topic of marriage, I don't quite understand as to how a 17 year old can be mature enough to have a stable job, like Percy when he was working for Crouch and then started working for Fudge when he was 18 (feel free to correct me since I'm quite pathetic with the age and timeline in HP) and then settle down fully and even consider getting married at such an early age. I mean they were all homeschooled, at least the pure bloods were, and they didn't gain any sort of experience outside their homes till they joined Hogwarts. Isn't that supposed to make them a little reserved or is that why they're so willing to settle down at such an early age? I have a feeling that JKR's going to get them all married off in their twenties. It might be like "Harry came back from the war and into Ginny's arms and after 4 years of dating, he finally proposed to her" or something like that. Same goes for Ron and Hermione.

I'm getting waaaaaay OT here.

I have a feeling that Vicky's going to strike up problems between them again. So will the issue with Lav-Lav. I think Ron and Hermione will clear out all sorts of obstacles and questions before they actually get together. Otherwise it's going to stalk them for the remainder of their natural lives.

And since everyone's currently on the topic of marriage, I don't quite understand as to how a 17 year old can be mature enough to have a stable job, like Percy when he was working for Crouch and then started working for Fudge when he was 18 (feel free to correct me since I'm quite pathetic with the age and timeline in HP) and then settle down fully and even consider getting married at such an early age. I mean they were all homeschooled, at least the pure bloods were, and they didn't gain any sort of experience outside their homes till they joined Hogwarts. Isn't that supposed to make them a little reserved or is that why they're so willing to settle down at such an early age? I have a feeling that JKR's going to get them all married off in their twenties. It might be like "Harry came back from the war and into Ginny's arms and after 4 years of dating, he finally proposed to her" or something like that. Same goes for Ron and Hermione.

I'm getting waaaaaay OT here.



I think the popular line of thinking is, "go out, experience the world, then settle down and get married". But people can still get married and discover new things about life and the world every day. You just disover it with someone else, instead of alone. And with a lot more arguments.;)

I have a feeling that Vicky's going to strike up problems between them again. So will the issue with Lav-Lav. I think Ron and Hermione will clear out all sorts of obstacles and questions before they actually get together. Otherwise it's going to stalk them for the remainder of their natural lives.

Oh, I agree that both Krum and Lav-Lav are issues that will have to be dealt with. What I meant was that I think that Ron's unreasonable outbursts regarding Krum won't happen anymore. He's had a girlfriend himself. I still think he will be insecure when it comes to Krum though - comparing himself and falling short in his mind. Ron and Hermione will have to talk about all this at some point. I don't know if we'll get to see that though. I'm not sure exactly how JKR could work that in for Harry to witness them have a private talk like that. I figure Harry will walk in on them kissing after "the talk".

And since everyone's currently on the topic of marriage, I don't quite understand as to how a 17 year old can be mature enough to have a stable job, like Percy when he was working for Crouch and then started working for Fudge when he was 18 (feel free to correct me since I'm quite pathetic with the age and timeline in HP) and then settle down fully and even consider getting married at such an early age. I mean they were all homeschooled, at least the pure bloods were, and they didn't gain any sort of experience outside their homes till they joined Hogwarts. Isn't that supposed to make them a little reserved or is that why they're so willing to settle down at such an early age? I have a feeling that JKR's going to get them all married off in their twenties. It might be like "Harry came back from the war and into Ginny's arms and after 4 years of dating, he finally proposed to her" or something like that. Same goes for Ron and Hermione.

I'm getting waaaaaay OT here.

Not really off topic. We are supposed to be discussing Ron and Hermione's future, right? That's just how it seems to be in the wizarding world. Percy was a good example. He finished school and had a good job with the ministry by the time he was 18. Some careers may require additional training, like being an auror, but it seems that those work like apprenticeships - you would be getting paid during the training.

If you really think about it, it's not too different from real life history. In the past, before it became "necessary" to go to college and get a degree to have a career, people got married in their late teens or early 20's all the time. In fact, there was a point in time where a girl was considered an old maid if she wasn't married by the time she was 18. That seems to be antiquated to us but it's really only because of going to college and establishing careers. That's why most people wait to get married these days. If we were completely done with our education by the age of 17/18 and establishing our careers at those ages, we wouldn't be waiting to get married either.

I really don't expect Ron and Hermione to get married that quickly though. They might get engaged or something but I don't think they will get married right away. I think the epilogue might mention them getting married at a later date or something like that. The same for Harry and Ginny. I mean, they have to find all the Horcruxes and destroy them - fight and defeat Voldemort - then there will be recovery time because they will have injuries - and, at some point, they will very likely go back to get their NEWTs. All that could take a couple of years or more.

I think I get what you are saying. I don't think they are going to get married right out of school - not immediately anyway. I think they will get married eventually though. I think once they get together that will be it for them and eventually they will get married. That will be covered in the epilogue.

Although, it does remain a possibility. It has been pointed out that Harry's parents married right out of school as well as the Weasleys - I think they eloped right out of school. It could happen either way. I don't think they will get married until after Voldemort is defeated - whether that coincides with the end of school or not I don't know. It could be that they defeat Voldemort - then return to school to get their NEWTs - get jobs and then get married.

Ok, fair enough. I guess it comes down to a difference of perspective - many people see marriage as a natural and inevitable part of life, so it's natural for them to think 'marriage' when people get together. For me, marriage is completely irrelevant, so I never think of it, and speculating about H/G's and R/Hr's marriages is just really weird. Especially since they're so young.

Lol... I had the same reaction to Star Wars: Attack of the Clones when Anakin and Padme got married. I knew they were going to get together and have babies, but it never once occurred to me (even when I was a kid watching the original) that they might have been married.

ANYway... back to the topic... I definitely think Ron and Hermione will be a couple of some description by the end of the 7th book. And it will be good to see, after 3/4 years of dancing round each other. But I really hope that romance will take an extreme back seat in this book, and I think it will, now Harry's feelings are out of the way. I think it will be more like the romance in OotP, where the romance threaded through the main plot and only occasionally popped its head up for comic relief. Ron and Hermione's reaction to Harry's first kiss = pure gold.

Ok, fair enough. I guess it comes down to a difference of perspective - many people see marriage as a natural and inevitable part of life, so it's natural for them to think 'marriage' when people get together. For me, marriage is completely irrelevant, so I never think of it, and speculating about H/G's and R/Hr's marriages is just really weird. Especially since they're so young.

Lol... I had the same reaction to Star Wars: Attack of the Clones when Anakin and Padme got married. I knew they were going to get together and have babies, but it never once occurred to me (even when I was a kid watching the original) that they might have been married.

That's funny. I always assumed that Anakin was married to Luke and Leia's mom back when I was a kid watching the original. I thought she left him when he "turned to the dark side" and died when Leia was young. I never guessed she died in childbirth. Oh well, I guess it is a matter of perspective.

ANYway... back to the topic... I definitely think Ron and Hermione will be a couple of some description by the end of the 7th book. And it will be good to see, after 3/4 years of dancing round each other. But I really hope that romance will take an extreme back seat in this book, and I think it will, now Harry's feelings are out of the way. I think it will be more like the romance in OotP, where the romance threaded through the main plot and only occasionally popped its head up for comic relief. Ron and Hermione's reaction to Harry's first kiss = pure gold.

I think that romance will take a backseat now. I think that's why HBP was rather heavy with it. She got all the major stuff out of the way. We know that Harry and Ginny are meant to be and Ron and Hermione are meant to be. All she has to do romance-wise is actually get Ron and Hermione together and I'm guessing we might get a page or two about that at most - maybe some small things woven through the book - but the overall focus of book 7 is going to be finding and destroying the Horcruxes and the final battle. Things like marriages will be in the epilogue.

[QUOTE=meesha1971]That's funny. I always assumed that Anakin was married to Luke and Leia's mom back when I was a kid watching the original. I thought she left him when he "turned to the dark side" and died when Leia was young. I never guessed she died in childbirth. Oh well, I guess it is a matter of perspective.

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I always thought they were married to...until I was about 10, I didn't know you could HAVE kids and not be married!!

This is OT, but I think its really interesting that J.K Rowling doesn't seem to have divorces in the wizarding world...just some bad marriages. But a lot of good ones too!

If we were completely done with our education by the age of 17/18 and establishing our careers at those ages, we wouldn't be waiting to get married either.

*chuckles* I never figured how teenagers can have successful marriages even if they do finish their education and get jobs. But don't they need to grow up emotionally, as in are they ready to take such a huge step into commitment? I know it's a very narrow minded generalization and I never took it into consideration that up until very recently that women wait till they build up their careers and then settle down with their respective partners. But I guess that doesn't apply to the wizarding world because it seems as if they're sticking to the old norms.

But I think the newer generation of wizards like Bill and Charlie take a different route by conforming to modern ways like settling down fully and then getting married.

That editorial (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/madampuddifoot/edit-ccowles.shtml) by CJ Cowles has me all mixed up with the entire idea of marriage in the wizarding world :grumble:.

*chuckles* I never figured how teenagers can have successful marriages even if they do finish their education and get jobs. But don't they need to grow up emotionally, as in are they ready to take such a huge step into commitment? I know it's a very narrow minded generalization and I never took it into consideration that up until very recently that women wait till they build up their careers and then settle down with their respective partners. But I guess that doesn't apply to the wizarding world because it seems as if they're sticking to the old norms.

I think it depends on the circumstances. If we look to our own history, when it was common to get married at 16 (for girls anyway), we see that those 16 year olds were much more mature than the 16 year olds of today. They were given much more responsibility at a younger age and there were certain expectations they had to live up to.

Nowadays, your average 18 year old is not ready for marriage. However, we aren't talking about your average 18 year olds. We are talking about fictional characters who have already been through a lot of adult problems. They have been forced to grow up faster. They haven't had a "normal" childhood by any standards - muggle or wizard.

I don't think we are going to see Ron and Hermione get married until the war is over. They could possibly get engaged but I don't expect a wedding for them or Harry and Ginny until the epilogue. If book 7 follows the pattern of the other books and only covers one year, we could very likely see them getting married at the age of 18/19. At that point, I think they will be ready for it. They will have fought a war. They will have learned to put aside petty differences and will have to deal with a lot of emotional upheaval. The end of HBP showed how much they have already grown in maturity and emotionally.

But I think the newer generation of wizards like Bill and Charlie take a different route by conforming to modern ways like settling down fully and then getting married.

My impression of the Weasleys is that they wait until they find their "true love". Arthur and Molly found each other in school. Bill didn't meet Fleur until the end of GOF. Charlie apparently hasn't met anyone yet. We don't know if Percy is still dating Penelope or not or if he's dating anyone. The twins - I don't know - they are so "rambunctious". It may just be that they aren't ready to settle down. Ron has already found his true love.

That editorial (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/madampuddifoot/edit-ccowles.shtml) by CJ Cowles has me all mixed up with the entire idea of marriage in the wizarding world :grumble:.

I don't think we're going to see that happen. Hermione hasn't told her parents anything and they don't really have contact with Dumbledore. Forcing her to leave the wizarding world wouldn't remove her from danger, it would leave her vulnerable. I don't see it happening that way.

Often, high school love-affairs are put on hold as one or both partners go off to college to continue their education. It is the experiences there, combined with the separation of distance, than puts an end to many high-school romances.

But in the wizarding world, there is no college education- at least as far as we know. You leave Hogwarts and go off into the wizarding world; a fully capable adult.

This would tend to make people settle down and have families earlier. One or two years of working in the wizarding world versus one or two years after college graduation.

In a very real way, this mirrors the mid 19th century, where a high-school diploma meant starting a real job for a majority of people.

My impression of the Weasleys is that they wait until they find their "true love". Arthur and Molly found each other in school. Bill didn't meet Fleur until the end of GOF. Charlie apparently hasn't met anyone yet. We don't know if Percy is still dating Penelope or not or if he's dating anyone. The twins - I don't know - they are so "rambunctious". It may just be that they aren't ready to settle down. Ron has already found his true love.

Hmmm. You're right. I guess Mr and Mrs Weasley and the Potters didn't hesitate to get into a full time commitment and I suppose not everyone does that in the wizarding world (Moony for instance, a sad example I know) It's just that I relate marriage with career and that's what confused me the most.

But Harry, Ginny, Ron and Hermione all need a lot of growing up to do despite the fact that they've all found their repsective true love and no matter how successful they are in terms of career. Imagine Ron and Hermione actually eloping....*shudder*. It would be fun to read but I don't think it would work out. They're still at a very volatile stage.

Hmmm. You're right. I guess Mr and Mrs Weasley and the Potters didn't hesitate to get into a full time commitment and I suppose not everyone does that in the wizarding world (Moony for instance, a sad example I know) It's just that I relate marriage with career and that's what confused me the most.

But Harry, Ginny, Ron and Hermione all need a lot of growing up to do despite the fact that they've all found their repsective true love and no matter how successful they are in terms of career. Imagine Ron and Hermione actually eloping....*shudder*. It would be fun to read but I don't think it would work out. They're still at a very volatile stage.



It would probably work out in that they probably wouldn't get divorced...but I think it might be a few years of a lot of adjusting and growing up even within a marriage. Like I said before, divorce doesn't seem to be common in the wizarding world. You just marry someone and stick with them, happy or otherwise.;)

Something will happen in HP7 anyway and (if they don't die which they can't cause... cause I don't want them too) I have a lot of nice theories but I don't think it will be like Harry arrives at the Burrow and suddenly his best friends is the perfect couple. Maybe it will be a (another) big argument and they'll scream at each other and suddenly they'll before they realize what they're doing confess their undying love for each other ;)
Well, they will get together somehow or at least confess their feelings in HP7, JK can't leave everything for fan fiction ;)

Hmmm. You're right. I guess Mr and Mrs Weasley and the Potters didn't hesitate to get into a full time commitment and I suppose not everyone does that in the wizarding world (Moony for instance, a sad example I know) It's just that I relate marriage with career and that's what confused me the most.

But Harry, Ginny, Ron and Hermione all need a lot of growing up to do despite the fact that they've all found their repsective true love and no matter how successful they are in terms of career. Imagine Ron and Hermione actually eloping....*shudder*. It would be fun to read but I don't think it would work out. They're still at a very volatile stage.


Oh, I agree. I'm not saying the four of them should hop up at Bill and Fleur's wedding and say "Wait, we want to get married too!" I think they will wait until after Voldemort is defeated. At that point, they will have grown up a lot.

They have already started growing up. Post-Lavender Ron was much more mature that pre-Lavender Ron. Harry showed huge leaps and bounds in his maturity in HBP when compared to OOTP. They still have some growing up to do but they also have a lot ahead of them to face that will help them do that.

I seem to be on my own in this, but I really hope there will be no mention of engagements, marriage, kids, or "happily ever after" ANYWHERE in Book 7. It would be such a boring, mundane way to end the series, and would really spoil the end for me.
And why would people get married or even engaged straight out of highschool??? I realize this happens with some people, but still a minority. And most people don't just settle down for the rest of their life with the partner they had when they were 16.
It seems that most people think that the characters' relationships aren't going to be 'complete', or valid or whatever, until they marry. Not so. I haven't seen any evidence that Harry+Ginny and Ron+Hermione are destined to spend the rest of their lives together. It's highschool, people. The chances of most people still being with their 6th year crush when they're 40 are slim at best.
But this is not the real world. In the real world, you would not have couples who have been through so much together. These kids have been through more with each other and know each other better than most adults. JKR has taken steps to ensure that they are not falling in love and staying together from high school on.
That's it exactly, in terms of life experience our foursome at sixteen to seventeen have lived through and dealt with much more than many people twice their age or more. By the end of their next year and presumabley the end of book seven they should all be well and truly mature enough, despite their actual ages, to function as adults and make their own futures.

In many ways Jo's wizarding world is sort of like Victorian England in the way her wizards conduct their lives, add to that there's a war on and uncertainty is rife. In times like these it's not unusual to see relationships solidify quicker and earlier than in more relaxed times, there is always the possibility, given the risks of living in such times, that you might lose the opportunity make your feelings known so people tend to act sooner rather than later.

Ron and Hermione haven't gotten together yet. They have both been with other people. By the time they do get together, they will be ready for it.
:agree: I don't doubt it.

JKR set it up so that none of them kissed their "true love" first. They were all with someone else first. She did that intentionally. She has put them through adult problems and extremely dangerous situations together. They have faced death together. When they all get together, they will be better equipped and more prepared than most adults are when they get married.
And we're back to the life experience again. :tu:

Exactly - with everything they have all been through, JKR has been very careful in keeping the romance part of the story separate from everything else that has happened. They aren't getting together because their lives are in danger but in spite of it. Harry and Ginny got together in a very normal way and I think Ron and Hermione will too.
It sure looks that way, the pace of the 'getting together' may have been influenced by the events in their lives but the lead up seems undeniably normal.

I don't think Ron and Hermione are together yet. I think they have been concentrating on rebuilding their friendship after all that happened with Lavender. With Ron having had a relationship now, that takes some of the tension off on his part. He is no longer so concerned with the fact that Hermione went out with Krum and it appears to have lessened his jealousy.
Well, he has the whole perspective of seeing it from the other side now which has, if nothing else, given him a more balanced perspective. They still need a shove toward talking about it though. :whistle:

I think Ron almost dying gave them a new perspective. Hermione realized that she could have lost him and she would rather have him as just a friend than not have him at all.
It did and it didn't, the weakness caused Ron to inadvertantly make an admission with his semi conscious call to her though I was a bit surprised by her lack of response. I suppose Lavender was still on her mind to a point.

Ron is still insecure and probably thinks he has probably ruined his chances for romance but, like Hermione, he would rather have her as just a friend than not at all. Their friendship is stronger now because of everything they went through in HBP and when they do get together their romance will be stronger because of it as well.
:agree: I agree it will, in the long run, they still need a catalyst to start them talking and I still suspect that Viktor will be it.

I'm thinking they will get together at the wedding as well. It's just the perfect setting for a new romance to bloom. A normal situation - no "extreme" conditions with their lives being in danger or anything - just friends and family gathered to celebrate love. What better timing?
Could be interesting at that, I'm hoping that the wedding will be that 'last golden day' of normality for the foursome without any interferance from Voldemort and his Death Eaters, could that be too much to hope for? :scared:

Often, high school love-affairs are put on hold as one or both partners go off to college to continue their education. It is the experiences there, combined with the separation of distance, than puts an end to many high-school romances.

But in the wizarding world, there is no college education- at least as far as we know. You leave Hogwarts and go off into the wizarding world; a fully capable adult.

This would tend to make people settle down and have families earlier. One or two years of working in the wizarding world versus one or two years after college graduation.

In a very real way, this mirrors the mid 19th century, where a high-school diploma meant starting a real job for a majority of people.
Indeed it does, Jo's wizarding world has a tremendous resemblance to Victorian times but without the petty prejudices that plague us both then and now. That's not to say that wizards haven't found their own prejudices but these appear to be based on the kind of class gaps that existed then rather than the bigorty that's around these days.

It's also interesting to note that in those times 'settling down' in the late teens or early twenties was the norm rather than the exception with those that remained unattatched being looked on as rebellious or at least unusual.

But Harry, Ginny, Ron and Hermione all need a lot of growing up to do despite the fact that they've all found their repsective true love and no matter how successful they are in terms of career. Imagine Ron and Hermione actually eloping....*shudder*. It would be fun to read but I don't think it would work out. They're still at a very volatile stage.
I think the volatility, as you describe it, is almost past. Harry and Ginny are functioning (best word I can think of) on what amounts to an adult level now and Hermione and Ron aren't that far behind. I doubt they'll elope as there is really far too much to do in terms of them helping Harry but still I do think we'll see them as a functioning (there's that word again :eyebrows:) adult couple through most of book seven.

Oh, I agree. I'm not saying the four of them should hop up at Bill and Fleur's wedding and say "Wait, we want to get married too!" I think they will wait until after Voldemort is defeated. At that point, they will have grown up a lot.

They have already started growing up. Post-Lavender Ron was much more mature that pre-Lavender Ron. Harry showed huge leaps and bounds in his maturity in HBP when compared to OOTP. They still have some growing up to do but they also have a lot ahead of them to face that will help them do that.
:agree:

It did and it didn't, the weakness caused Ron to inadvertantly make an admission with his semi conscious call to her though I was a bit surprised by her lack of response. I suppose Lavender was still on her mind to a point.

I don't think Hermione or anyone else in the hospital understood what he said. It probably sounded like a bunch of meaningless muttering to them and I think they all jumped when he made the sound. I have a feeling that Harry understood what Ron said and didn't quite feel it necessary at that moment to point out what he was mumbling about.

Could be interesting at that, I'm hoping that the wedding will be that 'last golden day' of normality for the foursome without any interferance from Voldemort and his Death Eaters, could that be too much to hope for?

Nah you're asking for too little actually. You forgot the epilogue :eyebrows:

Haven't read all the way throught he thread but - how old is Fleur's sister now? Maybe Krum will be her date for the wedding and that's how he comes back in

I think she was eight in GoF and Vicky was 18. Hmmmm. Nah I don't think so. the age difference is staggering.....

But then again Moony and Tonks are together so I wouldn't put it past JKR to hook Vicky up with someone totally unexpected. Maybe Lav-Lav? But I think he'll have something with Aunt Muriel at the wedding. I can imagine the looks on Ron and Hermione's faces if it really happens. It'd be priceless.

That's it exactly, in terms of life experience our foursome at sixteen to seventeen have lived through and dealt with much more than many people twice their age or more. By the end of their next year and presumabley the end of book seven they should all be well and truly mature enough, despite their actual ages, to function as adults and make their own futures.

In many ways Jo's wizarding world is sort of like Victorian England in the way her wizards conduct their lives, add to that there's a war on and uncertainty is rife. In times like these it's not unusual to see relationships solidify quicker and earlier than in more relaxed times, there is always the possibility, given the risks of living in such times, that you might lose the opportunity make your feelings known so people tend to act sooner rather than later.


:agree: I don't doubt it.


And we're back to the life experience again. :tu:


It sure looks that way, the pace of the 'getting together' may have been influenced by the events in their lives but the lead up seems undeniably normal.

Agree. :tu:

Well, he has the whole perspective of seeing it from the other side now which has, if nothing else, given him a more balanced perspective. They still need a shove toward talking about it though. :whistle:

I agree. Something will happen to give them that little nudge in the right direction.

It did and it didn't, the weakness caused Ron to inadvertantly make an admission with his semi conscious call to her though I was a bit surprised by her lack of response. I suppose Lavender was still on her mind to a point.

I think Hermione's thoughts were racing there. She was somewhat in shock - just standing there white faced and tight lipped and then he said her name out of the blue. I imagine she wanted to react but was afraid to because he did still have a girlfriend. I can almost see her thoughts though - Did he say my name? That was my name! Oh Ron! Wait, calm down. He's still dating Lavender. But he didn't call out Lavender's name. He called out my name!.... ;)

:agree: I agree it will, in the long run, they still need a catalyst to start them talking and I still suspect that Viktor will be it.

I think it will have something to do with Krum but it could be something more serious - one of them getting hurt or something like that.

Could be interesting at that, I'm hoping that the wedding will be that 'last golden day' of normality for the foursome without any interferance from Voldemort and his Death Eaters, could that be too much to hope for? :scared:

Same here. I imagine the wedding will have tight security - especially considering what happened in HBP. I hope they get that one peaceful day before they start their quest.

Indeed it does, Jo's wizarding world has a tremendous resemblance to Victorian times but without the petty prejudices that plague us both then and now. That's not to say that wizards haven't found their own prejudices but these appear to be based on the kind of class gaps that existed then rather than the bigorty that's around these days.

It's also interesting to note that in those times 'settling down' in the late teens or early twenties was the norm rather than the exception with those that remained unattatched being looked on as rebellious or at least unusual.

Agree. :tu:


I think the volatility, as you describe it, is almost past. Harry and Ginny are functioning (best word I can think of) on what amounts to an adult level now and Hermione and Ron aren't that far behind. I doubt they'll elope as there is really far too much to do in terms of them helping Harry but still I do think we'll see them as a functioning (there's that word again :eyebrows:) adult couple through most of book seven.

The last two books have shown a HUGE decrease in the amount of bickering between Ron and Hermione (barring the whole "Won-Won/Lav-Lav" debacle of course). They will always bicker - that is just their personalities but it is more good natured and teasing now. We've seen Ron and Hermione working more as a unit. That started in OOTP. Even though they had that fight in HBP, when it was over they were closer than ever.

I don't think any of them will consider marriage until the war is over but, when it is, they'll be ready for it.

It did and it didn't, the weakness caused Ron to inadvertantly make an admission with his semi conscious call to her though I was a bit surprised by her lack of response. I suppose Lavender was still on her mind to a point.
I don't think Hermione or anyone else in the hospital understood what he said. It probably sounded like a bunch of meaningless muttering to them and I think they all jumped when he made the sound. I have a feeling that Harry understood what Ron said and didn't quite feel it necessary at that moment to point out what he was mumbling about.
Hmm, didn't think of that. I'll have to go back and re read the scene.

Could be interesting at that, I'm hoping that the wedding will be that 'last golden day' of normality for the foursome without any interferance from Voldemort and his Death Eaters, could that be too much to hope for? :scared:
Nah you're asking for too little actually. You forgot the epilogue :eyebrows:
I've got this curious ambivolence about that, on one hand I can't wait the two or so years to read it yet on the other I'm dreading it because when it's done there'll be no more :upset:.

I'm hoping Jo Rowling relents somewhat by the end of it all and if she doesn't want to write any more Harry Potter she at least opens her wizarding world to some other capable storytellers to expand on.

I think Hermione's thoughts were racing there. She was somewhat in shock - just standing there white faced and tight lipped and then he said her name out of the blue. I imagine she wanted to react but was afraid to because he did still have a girlfriend. I can almost see her thoughts though - Did he say my name? That was my name! Oh Ron! Wait, calm down. He's still dating Lavender. But he didn't call out Lavender's name. He called out my name!.... ;)
That's kind of how I read it but PotionA might be on to something, I'm definately in for a re read.

I think it will have something to do with Krum but it could be something more serious - one of them getting hurt or something like that.
Maybe a reprise of a similar situation to the MOM battle at the end of OOTP but with Ron and Hermione together this time. I always thought Jo had set up the groupings in that scene very carefully to not prematurely reveal certain feelings.

The last two books have shown a HUGE decrease in the amount of bickering between Ron and Hermione (barring the whole "Won-Won/Lav-Lav" debacle of course). They will always bicker - that is just their personalities but it is more good natured and teasing now. We've seen Ron and Hermione working more as a unit. That started in OOTP. Even though they had that fight in HBP, when it was over they were closer than ever.

I don't think any of them will consider marriage until the war is over but, when it is, they'll be ready for it.
:agree: Indeed. Marriage may seem somewhat out of fashion and anachronistic in our world but there are still plenty of positives to be said for the institution. That and it would be quite natural in Jo's Victorian-esque wizarding world.

In creating the wizarding world Jo seems to have taken many of the positive attributes of life in the Victorian era but without the kind of draconian attitudes that acompanied them, it'd be nice to see some 'old fashioned' attitudes make a comeback.

I think Hermione did understand that Ron said her name. He's called her "er-my-nee" before actually-in GoF when his mouth was full of food (so probably often:)--I think there just wasn't anything she could have said at that moment. I think everyone knew what he said, because he said it as soon as she spoke for the first time.

Hmm, didn't think of that. I'll have to go back and re read the scene.

I just started re-reading HBP - working my way through the series from the beginning. I still think Hermione understood him and just didn't react because of Lavender.

I've got this curious ambivolence about that, on one hand I can't wait the two or so years to read it yet on the other I'm dreading it because when it's done there'll be no more :upset:.

I'm hoping Jo Rowling relents somewhat by the end of it all and if she doesn't want to write any more Harry Potter she at least opens her wizarding world to some other capable storytellers to expand on.

For me, it will depend on how she ends it. If she ties everything up in a nice neat bow with the epilogue telling us what everybody did and where they ended up then I will probably be satisfied.

As an adult, I would love for the series to continue on and see how their lives turn out but I realize that would fall into the realm of romance novels once Voldemort is defeated. ;)

That's kind of how I read it but PotionA might be on to something, I'm definately in for a re read.

Like I said above, I'm re-reading now and I still think she understood him. I think she didn't give a visible reaction because he was still dating Lavender. She did have a reaction to it though - she continued to visit him in the hospital wing - with and without Harry from my understanding - and they became friends again.

I think they probably had some sort of "talk" about what happened - Hermione apologizing for the canaries - Ron apologizing for breaking their date - but I don't think they have fully discussed everything. Ron didn't ditch Lavender when he got out of the hospital wing - I think if he and Hermione had resolved everything and talked about all of it, he would have. Hermione would have helped him.

I think they talked about some of it and both of them decided that their friendship was the most important thing at that point - rebuilding it that is. They had to get back to where they were before the whole Lavender thing before they could move on past it.

They've repaired their friendship and Lavender finally ditched Ron. All that is left now is for them to talk to each other and admit their feelings.

Maybe a reprise of a similar situation to the MOM battle at the end of OOTP but with Ron and Hermione together this time. I always thought Jo had set up the groupings in that scene very carefully to not prematurely reveal certain feelings.

I always thought so too. I mean, if Ron had witnessed Hermione being injured in the DoM, his reaction would have told us everything we needed to know back in OOTP. The same with Ron being attacked by the brains - Hermione was unconscious at that point. She didn't see that he was in danger of being suffocated. Very clever of JKR to write it that way. It kept the debates going - that's for sure.

I'm thinking that a good possibility lies within searching for and destroying the Horcruxes themselves. Dumbledore was severely injured when destroying the ring - that could happen to one of the trio as well. What if one of them is injured that way while destroying a Horcrux? What will the reaction be?

I still think that the issue of Krum will come up again - JKR did say that we would see him again. But the possibility of one of them being injured and that being the catalyst is also good.

:agree: Indeed. Marriage may seem somewhat out of fashion and anachronistic in our world but there are still plenty of positives to be said for the institution. That and it would be quite natural in Jo's Victorian-esque wizarding world.

In creating the wizarding world Jo seems to have taken many of the positive attributes of life in the Victorian era but without the kind of draconian attitudes that acompanied them, it'd be nice to see some 'old fashioned' attitudes make a comeback.

I agree. She has not shown any divorced couples in the wizarding world and their values appear to be old fashioned to a certain extent. Even their clothing if you really think about it. The movies show them wearing uniforms with cloaks but the books describe all witches and wizards wearing robes - concealing garments that would leave a lot to the imagination. That serves a double purpose I think - they are modest garments varying mainly by color and it would also lower the barrier between the sexes - nobody "wears the pants" because everybody wears robes!

No offense to the Herons and I love ron to bloody death but... I think Ron is gonna die. I LOVE RON! I'd hate if hed die but thats my theory, and then Hermione goes to Harry for comfort... and eventually they get together. Yes Im a PROUD member of HMS harmony... but again, No offence to herons.

No offense to the Herons and I love ron to bloody death but... I think Ron is gonna die. I LOVE RON! I'd hate if hed die but thats my theory, and then Hermione goes to Harry for comfort... and eventually they get together. Yes Im a PROUD member of HMS harmony... but again, No offence to herons.


No offense but Harry and Hermione would never make it as a romantic couple. Then there is that pesky problem of Ginny being Harry's "ideal girl" and Hermione is nothing like Ginny. ;)

Even if Ron were to die, Harry and Ginny would still get back together and Hermione would continue to just be Harry's friend. Actually, I would have to say that, even if Ron and Ginny both died, Harry and Hermione still wouldn't get together. They would comfort each other, remain lifelong friends, and move on to find romance with other people.

I don't think we'll have to worry about that though. I don't think any of the main four will die. They will all survive the war, deal with the trauma and losses, and get on with their lives. OBHWF :)

I've got this curious ambivolence about that, on one hand I can't wait the two or so years to read it yet on the other I'm dreading it because when it's done there'll be no more :'(.

*bursts into tears*. If it's any sort of consolation, we've still got fanfiction. I know it won't be the same, far from it more like, but we can still dwell amongst the HP universe through it.

As an adult, I would love for the series to continue on and see how their lives turn out but I realize that would fall into the realm of romance novels once Voldemort is defeated.

But who's complaining?! I would love to know whether Harry really has 12 children, as Trelawney had "predicted", with Ginny and what Ron and Hermione fight about after their marriage and so on :D. Wishful thinking, I know......

We've got fanfiction but it's a different feeling altogether to see it all happening in canon.

I don't think any of the main four will die. They will all survive the war, deal with the trauma and losses, and get on with their lives. OBHWF :)

Hear hear! OBHWF is my idea of an ideal ending :D. I can just picture the Burrow filled with kids with red busy hair with blue eyes, or green eyes and red hair and so on. *sighs dreamily*

Sorry for polluting your thread with my cheesiness again Deevo.

*bursts into tears*. If it's any sort of consolation, we've still got fanfiction. I know it won't be the same, far from it more like, but we can still dwell amongst the HP universe through it.

But who's complaining?! I would love to know whether Harry really has 12 children, as Trelawney had "predicted", with Ginny and what Ron and Hermione fight about after their marriage and so on :D. Wishful thinking, I know......

We've got fanfiction but it's a different feeling altogether to see it all happening in canon.

That's true. *sigh* But, on a positive note, after book 7 the fanfiction might be more consistent with canon. At least all of the "history" would be canon.

I would also love to find out if Harry has 12 children (poor Ginny!) and how Ron and Hermione deal with marriage and how many children they have - those Weasleys do seem to be a fertile bunch!

I'm really hoping the epilogue answers some of these questions. :cool:

Hear hear! OBHWF is my idea of an ideal ending :D. I can just picture the Burrow filled with kids with red busy hair with blue eyes, or green eyes and red hair and so on. *sighs dreamily*

Sorry for polluting your thread with my cheesiness again Deevo.

Well, you're not the only one being cheesy. I can imagine Molly and Arthur surrounded by bushy red-headed grandchildren and messy red-headed grandchildren with green eyes. :D They would spoil them to death!

For me, it will depend on how she ends it. If she ties everything up in a nice neat bow with the epilogue telling us what everybody did and where they ended up then I will probably be satisfied.

As an adult, I would love for the series to continue on and see how their lives turn out but I realize that would fall into the realm of romance novels once Voldemort is defeated. ;)
*bursts into tears*. If it's any sort of consolation, we've still got fanfiction. I know it won't be the same, far from it more like, but we can still dwell amongst the HP universe through it.
Indeed, I was thinking of more stories within the wizarding world, not specifically involving Harry or his group. Even when Harry's story is all tied up 'with a nice neat bow' there is a ton of potential there.

Hear hear! OBHWF is my idea of an ideal ending :D. I can just picture the Burrow filled with kids with red busy hair with blue eyes, or green eyes and red hair and so on. *sighs dreamily*

Sorry for polluting your thread with my cheesiness again Deevo.
Ach, I wouldn't even have begged Lani for permission to start this one if I wasn't such a soppy romantic myself. :evil:

At the end of the day the world isn't an overly nice place and Jo's books generally reflect this well, still it's good to have something light and entertaining to retreat into while you're waiting to face the next challenge and this little subplot of Jo's give us that.

That's true. *sigh* But, on a positive note, after book 7 the fanfiction might be more consistent with canon. At least all of the "history" would be canon.
True, still some AU storys can be entertaining, one of my favourite fanfics is one such that we can't discuss here. :evil:

I would also love to find out if Harry has 12 children (poor Ginny!) and how Ron and Hermione deal with marriage and how many children they have - those Weasleys do seem to be a fertile bunch!

I'm really hoping the epilogue answers some of these questions. :cool:
As am I.

Well, you're not the only one being cheesy. I can imagine Molly and Arthur surrounded by bushy red-headed grandchildren and messy red-headed grandchildren with green eyes. :D They would spoil them to death!
With perfect teeth, don't forget the other grandparents. :eyebrows:

Indeed, I was thinking of more stories within the wizarding world, not specifically involving Harry or his group. Even when Harry's story is all tied up 'with a nice neat bow' there is a ton of potential there.

Oh, I agree. I think we'll have to rely on fanfiction after book 7 though. Although, I am holding on to a slim hope that she might get more inspiration for a story involving their children. :eyebrows:

Ach, I wouldn't even have begged Lani for permission to start this one if I wasn't such a soppy romantic myself. :evil:

I was wondering why this thread was never shut down. Thanks Lani!

At the end of the day the world isn't an overly nice place and Jo's books generally reflect this well, still it's good to have something light and entertaining to retreat into while you're waiting to face the next challenge and this little subplot of Jo's give us that.

Absolutely. The lighter moments of the books are just as enjoyable as the main plot.

True, still some AU storys can be entertaining, one of my favourite fanfics is one such that we can't discuss here. :evil:

I'm going to send you an owl. If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, I have a site you might be interested in.

I enjoy the AU fics as well - as long as the characters are not OOC. I mean, there are some that are just too AU - studly, playboy Ron just doesn't work for me, you know?

My favorite fic was written just after GOF. It was rendered AU after OOTP came out but I just love it. It's a three part series that depicts Ron and Hermione and Harry and Ginny getting together the summer after GOF. The writer was true to the characters and really showed insight into the mind of a hormonal teenage boy. ;) It is just so funny.

With perfect teeth, don't forget the other grandparents. :eyebrows:

:rotfl: You just have to wonder if they will be bossy know-it-all's or more interested in Quidditch than school.

I enjoy the AU fics as well - as long as the characters are not OOC. I mean, there are some that are just too AU - studly, playboy Ron just doesn't work for me, you know?



That's interesting...my impression from HBP was that Ron was getting to be somewhat of a studly playboy. I mean, he was still definately Ron, with all the insecurities we've grown to love in him...but this Ron was a tall, strutting Quidditch player, with a girl on his arm and a certain disregard for convention. I got a lot of James Potter vibes from Ron in this one. :eyebrows: :eyebrows:

I would also love to find out if Harry has 12 children (poor Ginny!) and how Ron and Hermione deal with marriage and how many children they have - those Weasleys do seem to be a fertile bunch!

They sure are :D. I don't know how Mrs. Weasley managed it. Especially with the twins....

I can imagine Molly and Arthur surrounded by bushy red-headed grandchildren and messy red-headed grandchildren with green eyes. :D They would spoil them to death!

Yes! That would be perfect. But alas....

Although, I am holding on to a slim hope that she might get more inspiration for a story involving their children. :eyebrows:

You're not the only one. But she should really consider doing so. She has a strong fanbase and I don't see HP fans passing up an opportunity to find out what happens to the Trio and Ginny afterwards.

With perfect teeth, don't forget the other grandparents.

Ah yes. We never think of the Grangers all that much do we?

That's interesting...my impression from HBP was that Ron was getting to be somewhat of a studly playboy. I mean, he was still definately Ron, with all the insecurities we've grown to love in him...but this Ron was a tall, strutting Quidditch player, with a girl on his arm and a certain disregard for convention. I got a lot of James Potter vibes from Ron in this one.

Hmmm. You're right. It's really cute how the studly playboy has always been in love with none other than the class nerd :D.

That's interesting...my impression from HBP was that Ron was getting to be somewhat of a studly playboy. I mean, he was still definately Ron, with all the insecurities we've grown to love in him...but this Ron was a tall, strutting Quidditch player, with a girl on his arm and a certain disregard for convention. I got a lot of James Potter vibes from Ron in this one. :eyebrows: :eyebrows:


Oh no, these are really bad and don't fit Ron's character at all - he's completely confident and sure of himself, has a different girl every night, etc... I agree that Ron got a little more confidence in HBP and he had a girlfriend but not to the degree these stories portray.

They sure are :D. I don't know how Mrs. Weasley managed it. Especially with the twins....

Yes, after the twins, Ron and Ginny are lucky to be around. She had to have wanted a girl really, really bad. :rotfl:

You're not the only one. But she should really consider doing so. She has a strong fanbase and I don't see HP fans passing up an opportunity to find out what happens to the Trio and Ginny afterwards.

Sometimes I get the impression that she is going to do more but she can't really say anything without giving away what will happen for this series, you know?

It makes sense if you think about it. People were asking her if she was going to write more books after 7 years ago - when GOF was released at least. She couldn't have said "Yes, I'm planning a series about Ron and Hermione's son" because that would have told us that Ron and Hermione were going to get together, survive, and have a son.

So, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.