The Veil, the Key?

Ok, my theory is that harry will be able to use the veil to destroy the horcruxes. The veil destroys the soul of whatever falls through it, so it should destroy the piece of volemort's soul once thrown through. Any thoughts?

Really interesting thought...but it almost seems too easy. It would give us a reason to go back to the DoM though, which I think has to happen

I don't think that it's so hard to destroy the Horcrux (like Riddle's Diary). The problem will be how to find and how to overcome the protection of the other Horcruxes.

Since it's possible that there will be a Horcrux (maybe the last, the Ravenclaw one) that can't be destroyed by magic or physical means (like the potion in the basin in the cave that protected the faked locked). Then your theory could become true. :tu:
We were never told how Dumbledore managed to destroy the Horcrux within Marvolo's ring and if you need a special spell (or anything like it) it seems improbably that the trio will find out without anyone who tells them how to do. Horcruxes aren't common knowledge, the Hogwarts library doesn't have any books about then and the only person we know who has knowledge about them is Slughorn and he doesn't seemed as if he would want to share it (for his own safety, he's a Slitherin!).
Maybe the veil will become the only way to destroy the last Horcrux, as Racmel Harry would have a reason to visit the MoM (and see what is exactly behind the all-time closed door)

Interesting theorie, but I don't think. The veil isn't that transportable, isn't it? ;-)

But, and therefore I think you had a nice idea, I believe all the special and bigger (...) magical things we know from the first books will become important by destroying all Voldis on earth in 7.

Interesting theorie, but I don't think. The veil isn't that transportable, isn't it? ;-)
And it is ofcourse totally impossible to bring anything too the veil...

Hm, sure you can transport something in the MoM, but it's just that I don't think it's realistic... but never know.
I wonder that JK said 7 would not get that big as i.e. OotP, but she must handle a lot of stuff in it, if Harry (or one of the others) returns to Hogwarts (and I think something must happen there) and if Harry will search for and find and fight every singel horcrux. So I don't believe that something will happen with the veil, but (just a thought) we don't know if Harry have to find all or if - like the locket if it is - one or more is destroyed yet.

The veil destroys the soul of whatever falls through it, so it should destroy the piece of volemort's soul once thrown through.

Evidence?

I don't think the veil "destroys the soul". If you believe that, then you believe that Sirius simply ceased to exist when he went through the veil. I think it transports people/souls "beyond", to another world.

I think maybe it will dawn on the trio to use the veil to get rid of the horcruxes, but the problem might be actually getting into the Department of Mysteries I'm sure its highly guarded. The only reason they were able to get there so easily in OOTP is because Voldemort set them up.

Hopefully Voldie doesn't know what the veil is, throw his Horcruxes through and he'll dive in to rescue them. Problem solved. :cool:

I'll leave it to the mods to decide, but this might be a more appropriate place for this discussion.

Destruction of a Horcrux:
http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=60348

Hopefully Voldie doesn't know what the veil is, throw his Horcruxes through and he'll dive in to rescue them. Problem solved. :cool:
Wonderful idea!!

I don't think the veil destroys the soul of whatever passes through, because lupin said that you can live without your soul (dementors). If it detroyed your soul sirius would still be alive without a soul. I might work though.

because lupin said that you can live without your soul (dementors)

Interesting thought! In transfer: Harry have to destroy Voldis body as all have to do who want to murder.

Hm, but is there the possibility to use the dementors for destroying horcruxes?

Hopefully Voldie doesn't know what the veil is, throw his Horcruxes through and he'll dive in to rescue them. Problem solved. :cool:

OMG!! that's the best idea I've heard..lol :rotfl: :rotfl:

Using the veil seems to easy but I was reading another thread and I don't think that Harry will kill Voldemort. Perhaps the final battle will be in the MoM and perhaps he will get blasted away into it, just like Sirius. That would be a terrible ending :sad:

I believe the veil would work. But also, couldn't Harry just present the Horcruxes to a Dementor? They should be able to consume a Horcrux as well.

I think that a combination of a dementor and the veil destroying a horcrux would be alright. Any other takers??

Will someone who has a horcrux be able to come back out through the veil? O_o

Not sure, that would be an interesting theory.

I think that a combination of a dementor and the veil destroying a horcrux would be alright. Any other takers??
How would a dementor destroy a horcrux? Don't they feed off of human misery.?The horcruxi are objects. I understand they still contain the soul, but I don't think its the same thing.

How would a dementor destroy a horcrux? Don't they feed off of human misery.?The horcruxi are objects. I understand they still contain the soul, but I don't think its the same thing.
Well, I guess since dementors suck out people's souls with their kiss, it would work something like that.
I don't think the veil destroys the soul of whatever passes through, because lupin said that you can live without your soul (dementors). If it detroyed your soul sirius would still be alive without a soul. I might work though.
I guess death is destroying the soul and the body, so that's what the veil does, and since a horcrux is soul, well, yeah.
I think that a combination of a dementor and the veil destroying a horcrux would be alright. Any other takers??
here here :D

The other problem would be getting into the MoM without anyone there knowing what they're up to. I have a sneaky suspicion that after this year the MoM is going to keep an annoyingly close eye on Harry's movements.

Will someone who has a horcrux be able to come back out through the veil?

Hm, if you have another horcrux outside, you probably will, but maybe you need a special way, a spell or something else for coming back? I don't think you can die, if your horcrux is still outside, so you are like the opposite of beeing kissed by a dementor - just ab bit of soul without your body (uäh) - and than there would be a change to come back, maybe with help from others?
Interesting theorie, indeed. But I don't think JK will work with something like that.

Looks like people like my last joke. :)

Wonderful idea!!
OMG!! that's the best idea I've heard..lol

Thank you, fans! :cool:

It would be very good if it were the veil that ended up killing Voldemort, because I don't want Harry to be a murderer. However, I don't think he would jump in after his Horcrux because the Order seemed to comprehend what the Veil was about so I think Voldemort would also have that knowledge. Lupin knew right away that Sirius was dead so I think Voldemort would know better than to jump in because he would know that it would cause his death. The idea of Harry throwing at least one Horcrux through the veil is a very interesting idea....

I know they have to return to the Ministry at some point (because of the locked Chamber) and the veil should be used again as a part of the story line for book 7 because it wasn't really fully explained in OotP.

Cheers

Why not first kill Voldi (= put he in this what he was for thirteen years) and than through all last horcruxes through the veil...? ;-)
Hm, no knowledge, if they are transportable...

I don't think you can kill Voldemort before destroying the souls in the Horcruxes. Just like he did at the Potter house that night, he will not fully die but only become Vapourmort again until he can be reborn. That particular soul which dwells inside him, will have to be the last destroyed because only then will he be mortal. The other souls currently make him immortal and not vanquish-able.

Cheers.

To DracosAngel05-The Dementor destroying the horcrux is basically what marine2323 said, they could suck out his soul, etc.

I guess death is destroying the soul and the body, so that's what the veil does, and since a horcrux is soul, well, yeah.
I agree.

Just like he did at the Potter house that night, he will not fully die but only become Vapourmort again until he can be reborn.

Hm, but there he hadn't an own soul left, as he said "~he didn't know what he was" (GoF). So I think the remaining horcruxes are the only things to let him relive. But when he is Vapormort and than someone destroy the last horxruxes it must be possible to kill him with the last horxrux (=no soul left to relivion).

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I think if Harry was able to destroy the diary horcrux by using a pseudophysical death. Like stabbbing the book with a poisoned fang, something like the veil or a dementor would affect it too. It doesn't seem like the horcrux itself is the challenge, but the obstacle coarse Lv set up around them.

Ok, my theory is that harry will be able to use the veil to destroy the horcruxi. The veil destroys the soul of whatever falls through it, so it should destroy the piece of volemort's soul once thrown through. Any thoughts?

The Veil is a metaphor for death: to "pass beyond the veil" is an old phrase for dying.

Thus, tossing a Horcrux through the Veil would not destroy the soul, but it would ruin the Horcrux. That is, the Horcrux would not be rooting the remainder of the soul to the living world.

So, if Harry chucks them all through the Veil and offs LV, it should send the 7th piece of the LV (i.e., the one in his body) beyond the Veil, too.

Of course, if Harry's scar is the last Horcrux, then Harry could contrive to force both of them through the Veil, and thus kill LV (and himself, too boot).

Interesting thought, but I have a different theory about the veil. I was reminded of the veil when Dumbledore and Harry had to get through that archway in the cave. The word "archway" was used repeatedly in that chapter, so I thought there was a connection between the archway in the cave and the archway holding up the veil. So I think that anyone that passes through that veil dies and goes into that gross pool with all of the Inferi. It's a horrible thought, I know, considering what happened to Sirius, but that's what I think.

So I think that anyone that passes through that veil dies and goes into that gross pool with all of the Inferi. It's a horrible thought, I know, considering what happened to Sirius, but that's what I think.

The things in the Department of Mysteries are there to study the great mysteries of life: time (time turners, prophecy, etc.), love (the room that cannot be reached), space (the planets) and death (the Veil), among other mysteries. The cave's pool is not one of the mysteries of life, at least not classically!

The Veil is some sort of "gateway" to the hereafter, whence you can hear the voices of the deceased. Luna recognized it for what it was. Inferi do no seem to speak: none did so in the cave, at any rate, even after being torched. It's under an archway because many classical allusions to the "gateways" to the hereafter refer to archs.

On the other hand, the Veil is not a metaphor for going into gross pools, whereas it is a metaphor for death! JKR revels in classical allusions like this.

Thus, tossing a Horcrux through the Veil would not destroy the soul, but it would ruin the Horcrux. That is, the Horcrux would not be rooting the remainder of the soul to the living world.
I don't really get what you're saying here. It would ruin the horcrux but wouldn't ruin the soul encased within it? I think it would destroy the part that's in the horcrux, having the same effect as what you said, just a different idea I guess.
On the other hand, the Veil is not a metaphor for going into gross pools, whereas it is a metaphor for death!
lol! Maybe you're just being too close minded. The gross pool of death could be the key to the series! :rotfl:

What It would do, like with Sirius, would make the part of soul go to the beyond, in a sense killing one seventh of volemort with each that passes through. And as to getting into it, Harry might just have to play as the Ministries boy for Scrigemour.

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Ok, my theory is that harry will be able to use the veil to destroy the horcruxi. The veil destroys the soul of whatever falls through it, so it should destroy the piece of volemort's soul once thrown through. Any thoughts?


1. Getting back into the DoM without explaining what you're up to unlikely, I doubt they are going to be willing to explain why they need the veil and it would be too simple for the information to get back to Voldemort that his horcruxes were being destroyed, and he really would be making hundreds of horcruxes out of boots. :p

The things in the Department of Mysteries are there to study the great mysteries of life: time (time turners, prophecy, etc.), love (the room that cannot be reached), space (the planets) and death (the Veil), among other mysteries. The cave's pool is not one of the mysteries of life, at least not classically!

The Veil is some sort of "gateway" to the hereafter, whence you can hear the voices of the deceased. Luna recognized it for what it was. Inferi do no seem to speak: none did so in the cave, at any rate, even after being torched. It's under an archway because many classical allusions to the "gateways" to the hereafter refer to archs.

On the other hand, the Veil is not a metaphor for going into gross pools, whereas it is a metaphor for death! JKR revels in classical allusions like this.

I'm not so quick to think that the veil is something all that good.

1. Getting back into the DoM without explaining what you're up to unlikely, I doubt they are going to be willing to explain why they need the veil and it would be too simple for the information to get back to Voldemort that his horcruxes were being destroyed, and he really would be making hundreds of horcruxes out of boots. :p
They don't need to explain to anyone. Getting into the DoM before wasn't really a problem for them, was it? They can break or easily make up an excuse. Didn't JK say we would see the DoM again anyway? So they'll get in somehow.

I think it's possible.....maybe if it comes down to Harry having the last horcrux (ie. his scar). If that's the case then maybe the only way to destroy it without dying would be to stick his forhead behind the veil or somehow get Voldemort to go in there so that he just disappears and is gone forever.

I think it's possible.....maybe if it comes down to Harry having the last horcrux (ie. his scar). If that's the case then maybe the only way to destroy it without dying would be to stick his forhead behind the veil or somehow get Voldemort to go in there so that he just disappears and is gone forever. Stick his forehead in the veil...hm...is that the safest thing to do? :p

If *IF* his scar is a horcrux, I don't think the sticking it in the veil idea would work. If, as we theorized, it kills everything that goes in it, wouldn't it kill everything in his forehead? Like dead skin and his frontal lobe? We'll have poor vegitable Harry! But this is the realm of magic, so it could work. Still, if his scar is a horcrux, I think the way of destroying would be by some powerful spell involving his mother's love or by dying. I think the veil is a more adaquate idea for the other few remaining ones that can just be thrown in there, or slither in.

It would be very good if it were the veil that ended up killing Voldemort, because I don't want Harry to be a murderer.

I don't think that there is any danger of that: this will be justifiable homicide if ever there was a case!

I'm not so quick to think that the veil is something all that good.

The Veil is neither good nor bad: it is a device for studying death and the hereafter. That is what they do at the DoM: study the great mysteries!


I don't really get what you're saying here. It would ruin the horcrux but wouldn't ruin the soul encased within it? I think it would destroy the part that's in the horcrux, having the same effect as what you said, just a different idea I guess.

In older stories, the idea is not to "destroy" the piece of soul within, but to unchain it from the Earth. If the soul is not residing in some body, then it goes "beyond the veil." The idea of the Horcrux most probably is that while some pieces of the soul are residing in some earthly body, the main soul (or even all of the pieces) cannot depart for the hereafter. At this point, two or three pieces of LV's soul are unhoused, and either beyond the Veil or ready to so depart once the other four pieces are unhoused.

This requires some physical breakage of the actual body holding the soul (i.e., the horcrux), just as one has to break the living body to release a soul.

Again, this is assuming that JKR follows older stories that have used this concept. None of them ever played with multiple pieces of a soul, so we do not know exactly what happens to those pieces until JKR tells us.


lol! Maybe you're just being too close minded. The gross pool of death could be the key to the series!

heheh - perhaps! But, for the record, I would point out that I am being too broad minded if this is the case: I am looking for some great sweeping generality ("the hereafter"!), not just a particular subterranean lake!


Still, if his scar is a horcrux, I think the way of destroying would be by some powerful spell involving his mother's love or by dying.

Ah, but Harry now knows a spell that can carve flesh quite nicely: sectumsempra! It is possible he could do that to his own forehead and remove the scar/Horcrux, and then destroy it. LV would never expect anyone to so harm themselves.

One thing to look out for is the possibilty that LV now knows that he has a bit of soul in Harry. Recall that Snape said that LV has ordered that noone other than himself can kill Harry. That is an interesting change of heart, as the prior year he would have let his DE's kill Harry. If LV has realized that the "bit" of himself stuck in Harry that has caused their linkage is a missing bit of his soul, then LV will want to be very careful when killing Harry: LV will have to make sure that he can get his piece of soul back. An "Avada Kedavra" probably might lose him his piece of soul!


Finally, someone asked what would happen if someone with a horcrux stepped through the Veil. It now occurs to me that they were right: their body would disappear, but their soul would be stuck behind in Vapormort mode. So, pushing LV through the Veil would only set LV back, not destory him.

I really do believe that Harry will somehow end up pushing LV through the veil. JKR has already confirmed (through hints and such) that it is of great importance in Book 7!!! I can't picture Harry actually Avada-Kedavra-ing anyone, Voldemort included.

I've got a couple questions about the veil. The best we can do is speculate, but I just wanted to know what everyone thinks.

1. As mentioned before, do you think you could stick your face into the veil and look around, and then come back out as long as you don't fall through? Or do you think the second you touch it, it makes you fall through?
2. Let's say you throw an object through the veil. Do you think you can Accio it out from there?

Edit: No one seems to be responding to this but how about if you sent a Patronus through the veil? Any thoughts? Anyone?

I think that a patronus could go in and out of the veil without being harmed. After all, it is the protector to the caster and so not alive in any real sense.

With Harry's patronus being a stag, like his father, Prongs, it kind of implies that a patronus can be a link to the dead in itself because the caster finds the loved one within themselves.

The veil is an odd thing - I don't think it will be explained in the last book, but I agree that it will be highly significant - well done the person who thought of it!

I don't reckon you can accio things out of the veil because a mortal presumably can't traverse between life and death.

Voldemort might be able to though...

The use of Dittany was brought up over in the Sectumsempra thread, and I've read that it can be used as a means or aid in communicating with those "beyond the veil." It is closely attributed to death and the hereafter, and it is what Snape recommends Draco use to avoid scarring after Harry has hit him with the Sectumsempra. If ever there was a potion one could use to talk to Sirus beyond the veil, I'd recommend a good dose of Dittany as a crucial ingredient! (Another link: one species of Dittany has "Albus" as part of its name--gotta find that reference again!) Of course it was mainly used on Halloween, as the "veil" between the worlds was at its thinnest. If Harry were to attempt communication through the veil, that would be the best day to do it! I don't know what keys it may hold, but certainly there are magical attributes associated with Dittany that would make such a thing possible, at least in theory and perhaps in holding with the inner consistency of Rowling's magical world.

Cheers!
Lyta (Boiled Owl)

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Ok, my theory is that harry will be able to use the veil to destroy the horcruxi. The veil destroys the soul of whatever falls through it, so it should destroy the piece of volemort's soul once thrown through. Any thoughts?

The goal of destroying horcruxes is not to destroy Voldemort's soul. It is to return it, so that he can be mortal once more. The broken parts need to be connected once again, so Harry has a fighting chance.

Nor do we know for a fact that the veil destroys the soul of whatever falls through it. That would mean Siriius soul is damaged? This would also put the veil in line with dangerous, dark magical objects like horcruxes. And I don't think they are similar.

Sorry, but this veil's definite importance just does not lie in the realm of this reasoning, you attempted.

The goal of destroying horcruxes is not to destroy Voldemort's soul. It is to return it, so that he can be mortal once more. The broken parts need to be connected once again, so Harry has a fighting chance.


You pose a very interesting point. I always thought that the way to make Voldemort mortal was to destroy the horcruxes, thereby cutting down his options. It never really occurred to me that the horcruxes could be pieced togther again to make a whole soul....I'm not sure if this would work (and I'm highly doubtful) but it really made me think about what Harry will do to "destroy" the horcruxes. Is it possible that Harry will consider piecing the pieces of soul back together? But how will it join Voldemort's soul that resides in his body? WOah confusing..... :huh:

How would they sew Voldemort's soul back together, I would think that the best idea would be to just destroy them first and then kill off Voldemort later.

I don't believe that Harry will need the veil to destroy the horcruxes. Like someone mentioned earlier in the thread making Voldemort mortal again is the goal so that he can be killed.
I do think the veil will be used to finish off the Dark Lord once he is mortal. I'm hoping that when it does happen that Bellatrix follows him through out of blind loyalty.

The goal of destroying horcruxes is not to destroy Voldemort's soul. It is to return it, so that he can be mortal once more. The broken parts need to be connected once again, so Harry has a fighting chance.

Nor do we know for a fact that the veil destroys the soul of whatever falls through it. That would mean Siriius soul is damaged? This would also put the veil in line with dangerous, dark magical objects like horcruxes. And I don't think they are similar.

Sorry, but this veil's definite importance just does not lie in the realm of this reasoning, you attempted.
unique idea, but i feel differently. It has been said that there is no way to repair a soul. So, to make Voldemort mortal you must destroy the soul pieces not in his body, thus making the one in his body his 'whole' soul. making him mortal.

What do you rekon would happen to Voldermort if he fell through the veil? I cant really think of a outcome cause he wouldnt die because of the horcruxs but then again do you actully die if you go through the veil or just stuck in some place :S?

I do not think you can go through the veil unless you are dead or dying. Remember how quiclky Lupin realises that Sirius is dead when he sees him dissapear beyond the veil. There is something intriguing about this veil, though. I wonder if we'll get more information about it.

i disagree. Being thrown behind the veil kills someone, however it sorta leaves an imprent of them left behind slighly different then a ghost, more like a voice. remember the mutterings behind the veil?

I don't think that the veil only destroys the soul, otherwise there would be a lot of brain dead people somewhere in that room. I think that it just kills them. And the voices that Harry could hear are probably from the people that went through the veil but weren't prepared for death, like ghosts, but they only leave a voice. I'm guessing, that if that is the case, that Sirius's voice won't be heard.

I think the veil is an incredibly creepy and sad phenomenon. It is such an undeserving way to die.

I definitely think JK owes us more information on the veil, but I don't think it will be used to kill Horcruxes. Good theory though.

As for the voices, I think that they are not so much connected to the veil itself, but to death. I think the veil is like the missing link between the living and the dead. Luna and Harry hear the voices because they are closer to death. i.e they have witnessed and experienced deaths of people close to them. The others instinctively fear it or are entranced by it. The veil seems to personify death. Instincively, Lupin and Hermione fear it, Luna and Harry are drawn to it, and Neville and Ginny are entranced by it. (and Ron seems to be clueless) - pg 682 -3 of British version.

The whole concept of the veil is one of the mysteries that I am most eager for JK to solve for us. That and that bloody two way mirror.

Just for the record I think that the veil killed Sirius not Bellatrix. Bellatrix isn't the primary killer of Sirius, she is a secondry killer which makes it even worse. He was killed by death not by Bellatrix. I hope that makes sense.

IS it certain though that the veil actually kills someone, and isnt a transport to another "world"??? I mean since it is in the Dept. of Mysteries, they probably don't have a full idea as to what it does...I mean if someone walks through it as a test, how would we know if he is killed??? There is no body, and I guess no way back through the veil that we know...it's just an idea though...

dumbledore said they study many things in the DoM, including DEATH, when he was talking about the veil.

il etait mort.

Beyond the veil all things will be understood. Or something like that. I think it says that in the bible. Anyway, once you die you understand everything about everything you did in life. So I guess the veil might be used to teach Harry about everything he did in his life and how it effected everyone and how they felt. Or maybe it can be used to make Voldemort finally understand.

Beyond the veil all things will be understood. Or something like that. I think it says that in the bible. Anyway, once you die you understand everything about everything you did in life. So I guess the veil might be used to teach Harry about everything he did in his life and how it effected everyone and how they felt. Or maybe it can be used to make Voldemort finally understand.
Are you saying Harry might die beyond the veil, or that he just might see it again, or learn something important about it?

I'm thinking he will journey beyond the veil and this will open his mind letting him have great knowledge that he never had before. Beyond the veil all things are understood.....

if all things are understood then that is a powerful way to gain knowlege...
if there is a way to return from death..

which I think there might be. The veil was in the MOM and I don't think it is there for no reason. Why have a veil and not be able to use it to gain knowledge? Why have a veil if you can't learn from it? Why is it there? I realize it is very dangerous and that if you fall in you die. But I think it is in the MOM and I think they were working on a way to cross over without dying. Maybe they found a way. Who knows? I don't know how they studied it without actually sending things through.

Or something like that. I think it says that in the bible.

Christian bible? Or the HP books?

The veil was in the MOM and I don't think it is there for no reason. Why have a veil and not be able to use it to gain knowledge? Why have a veil if you can't learn from it? Why is it there? I realize it is very dangerous and that if you fall in you die. But I think it is in the MOM and I think they were working on a way to cross over without dying. Maybe they found a way. Who knows? I don't know how they studied it without actually sending things through.

Oooh here's a thought : Chuck the horcruxes into the veil, Voldie dies, and Harry jumps in for the sake of meeting Sirius and family again. Harry dies!!! :elaugh:

It'd be a pretty dramatic though overtly simplified end (just one button to push to put an end to the most evil wizard ever).

Well it was just insinuated that the veil was death, by luna, I personally believe it is a waiting place when all things become good again the people taken by the veil will be restored, what if the veil was a horcrux itself? the las thing anyone would think to use and when it gets destroyed those taken by it come back again?

The veil is placed in the middle of some sort of amphitheater; the room is also called the Death Chamber.
What do you reckon? Is that like some kind of a funeral room if someone died? That they pass the coffin through the veil?
How about sirius got through another dimension on that veil?

Did the book actually say something about the veil destroying the souls of its victims? I thought we didn't learn anything from the 5th book except that Sirius fell through it and he "died." (I use quotation marks because I think there's a lot more to the veil than just falling through and dying). However, if that is the case of the veil destroying souls, that sounds like an idea. I think the veil will be very important in book 7 somehow.

Did the book actually say something about the veil destroying the souls of its victims? I thought we didn't learn anything from the 5th book except that Sirius fell through it and he "died." (I use quotation marks because I think there's a lot more to the veil than just falling through and dying). However, if that is the case of the veil destroying souls, that sounds like an idea. I think the veil will be very important in book 7 somehow.

I remember something about JK saying that Sirius would never return. At any rate, she cried like crazy when she wanted to write off Sirius, so I would think he is permanently gone. If that's the case, then whether the veil destroys souls or not it is definitely able of obliterating life into nothingness (figuratively speaking).

I believe the Veil is in an amphitheater because it is a room where it can be studied by a large group of people at one time. It is similar to the large lecture rooms in college. I believe that the people behind the veil are "dead" and the voices that are being heard are those of the souls that remain. The study may be to find some way to contact these souls in the life they are now existing in. Most likely the voices change at times. That would lead you to believe that the souls there can move and others will come near the veil.

I think it is there to give us hope that there is life after death and that there could possibly be a way to contact those souls.


I do believe that the dead members of Harry family along with Sirius and Dumbledore will come to his aid in the last book. But this aid will have something to do with magic and not them coming back to life. This group has aided Harry in GOF when the two wands were joined. They were able to comfort Harry and give him enough time to escape. They didn't have to come back to life to help him that time. They will not have to come back to life in the last book either.

Sirius was just stunned. It was because he fel behind the viel that he died. When Harry questions Luna about her mother she says that she can hear her from behind the viel. Only Harry,Luna,Neville and Ginny can hear voices from behind the veil. These four are also the only ones who can see thestrals. Ginny has come close to dieing though she has never seen death(2nd book)
When Harry asks Nearly Headless Nick about life after death he begins to talk about the Department of mysteries when Harry cuts him short.
All this leads me to believe that behind the veil lies the world of the dead. The world where the dead go to.

I believe the veil is a gateway leading to the world of the dead as well. But once you've past there's no return. Coming back to life is one thing magic can't do. Maybe they are going to communicate with the actual past souls instead of echoes; the voices behind the veil. And maybe it's never going to happen.
Luna talking to Harry about the voices at the end of OotP has always felt very significant to me though, and although there was no mention in six, six and seven should actually be read as one book, so maybe there is hope for the DoM or at least the veil. It would be interesting if Harry would destroy the Horcruxes by using the veil, but I don't know.. I'll keep my options open.
The voices behind the veil helping Harry with his task seems the most likely theory to do with the veil to me.

Struck me that the veil was largely symbolic ; it represents the veil between this world and the next.

The Celts believed that there were sacred places where the veil between the two was very thin, and where the living could speak to the dead (their sacred places tended to be seashores, lakeshores etc). Perhaps the amphitheatre was designed to allow what we would call spiritualism or mediumship to take place ?

Sirius was just stunned. It was because he fel behind the viel that he died. When Harry questions Luna about her mother she says that she can hear her from behind the viel. Only Harry,Luna,Neville and Ginny can hear voices from behind the veil. These four are also the only ones who can see thestrals. Ginny has come close to dieing though she has never seen death(2nd book)
When Harry asks Nearly Headless Nick about life after death he begins to talk about the Department of mysteries when Harry cuts him short.
All this leads me to believe that behind the veil lies the world of the dead. The world where the dead go to.
Um.. ginny can't see the thestrals nor can she hear any voices behind the veil. Sirius couldn't move since he was stunned otherwise he would have survived definitely

I think that the when Harry sticks his head through the veil, trying to walk through but held back by his freinds, he meets Sirius who is uniquily prepared for this since he alone also went through this bodily and spent time in Azkaban having his soul tested. By this act Harry forces Vapormort through the veil, but when his freinds pull him back out he is in a coma, his hand clutching a large, black dog that stands guard over him. When Harry has finally completed his 'spirit quest', he comes back and Sirius is now his loyal more than pet, his former godfather now living happily in dog form guarding and part of Harry's and his family. I mean, why not? And whatever Jo means by the different bahaviors of Harry's freinds, this will be a part of how they participate in this. Also, to get rid of the dementors that are keeping the wizarding world in fear, Harry conjures a tremendous patronus with the selfless magical power (love is too simple a word) behind the veil to get rid of almost all the dementors in Europe.

If both Luna and Harry heard whispering beyond the veil, then I doubt the soul is destroyed but rather converted into a ghost-like form and allowed to remain in existence but not able to be in the mortal world.

If destroying a horcrux was as easy as tossing it through the veil, I think Dumbledore would have thought of this as well. Even though he was not on great terms with the Ministry at the time, I certainly think they would have let him into the Department of Mysteries to try something.

Additionally, what if tossing the horcrux into the veil doesn't destroy the piece of soul within it? How do you get the horcrux item back?

The Celts believed that there were sacred places where the veil between the two was very thin, and where the living could speak to the dead (their sacred places tended to be seashores, lakeshores etc). Perhaps the amphitheatre was designed to allow what we would call spiritualism or mediumship to take place ?

Awwww, you took my bit of Celtic trivia! I'll just add to it. There are also certain times and items that created thin places. All Hallows Eve (Samhain) was one, when the veil between the living and dead is particularly thin. Fairy Thorns (a kind of tree) is another. All the turning points of the year are important, actually.

And there are "thin places" in other cultures as well. The Mexican Los Dios de los Muertos (Days of the Dead) is one.

Peace,
Christopher

Intresting theory....but I don't think so. It's gotta be a big part of the seventh book, harry's last encounter with Voldy, and I don't think it would be that great if Harry just pushes him through a veil. It would'nt show any of Harry's courage or bravery.

I believe the veil is a gateway leading to the world of the dead as well. But once you've past there's no return. Coming back to life is one thing magic can't do.

I thought a lot about this one and I kept coming up with the same question. What if someone who cannot die went behind the veil? In the 2nd book we encountered oe of Voldemorts horcruxes. That particular horcrux knew everything about Voldemort's encounter with the Potters even though that bit of the soul had been separated from the main soul long ago.This made me realise that the separated bits and pieces of soul know about what is happening to the bit left in the body. So, what if Voldemort went behind the veil? That bit of his soul might die but his other horcruxes and souls would know about the secrets of the world behind the veil.

Sirius was just stunned.
We do not know that for sure. It just says something on the lines of 'another flash of light'. Whether he was killed or stunned, there would still be a flash of light. Since the color (red or green) of the flash of light is not mentioned, he could either be killed or stunned. We do not have a definite answer yet.

What if someone who cannot die went behind the veil? In the 2nd book we encountered oe of Voldemorts horcruxes. That particular horcrux knew everything about Voldemort's encounter with the Potters even though that bit of the soul had been separated from the main soul long ago.This made me realise that the separated bits and pieces of soul know about what is happening to the bit left in the body. So, what if Voldemort went behind the veil? That bit of his soul might die but his other horcruxes and souls would know about the secrets of the world behind the veil.
That is a brilliant theory! It really is!

I think dementors are more on the right mark here. How often have we heard that the Dementors suck out your soul? Over and over again, JK mentions it. I don't know how Harry will be able to get the Dementors to work for him, but it only stands to reason that they can make the Horcruxes obsolete by sucking the soul out of them. Can Harry somehow trick them?

Yes. That is a good theory. It does make since. 'Cause if you look at Dumbledore, he got his hand fried. So that harry doesn't make the same mistake, he should just dispose of the Horcruxes through the veil. Plus, J.K. said that this book would be shorter. So maybe Harry just dumps the Horcruxes into the veil.

Is there any spicific Horcux that you had in mind

Is there any spicific Horcux that you had in mind

"Get...in...the...veil...you....darned...snake!!!"

I thought a lot about this one and I kept coming up with the same question. What if someone who cannot die went behind the veil? In the 2nd book we encountered oe of Voldemorts horcruxes. That particular horcrux knew everything about Voldemort's encounter with the Potters even though that bit of the soul had been separated from the main soul long ago.This made me realise that the separated bits and pieces of soul know about what is happening to the bit left in the body. So, what if Voldemort went behind the veil? That bit of his soul might die but his other horcruxes and souls would know about the secrets of the world behind the veil.

I don't think that part of soul knew anything about the Potters on its own. Remember that Ginny had this book and had been writing in it since before the school year started as a diary. Since we know in book 2 that she is really fascinated with Harry, she was likely to write all sorts of stuff in there about him and how wonderful he is. If Tom (as the diary) had asked even a few seemingly harmless probing questions, he would have found out all that information through Ginny. In fact, we're given a scene where Riddle tells Harry that ever since that pathetic little girl started writing in the book, his new interest was to meet Harry Potter, indicating that she shared some information that made Tom want to know more.

I don't think that part of soul knew anything about the Potters on its own. Remember that Ginny had this book and had been writing in it since before the school year started as a diary. Since we know in book 2 that she is really fascinated with Harry, she was likely to write all sorts of stuff in there about him and how wonderful he is. If Tom (as the diary) had asked even a few seemingly harmless probing questions, he would have found out all that information through Ginny. In fact, we're given a scene where Riddle tells Harry that ever since that pathetic little girl started writing in the book, his new interest was to meet Harry Potter, indicating that she shared some information that made Tom want to know more.

You are absolutely right that Ginny provided information about Harry to the Riddle diary all year. Once Tom realized how important Harry was to his furure as Voldemort, Riddle decided to meet him.

I think that the veil will play an important role in the final book. It would be too easy to simply gather up all the horcruxes and throw them into the veil. The idea of just pushing Voldemort through the veil does not seem likely either. Harry will defeat Voldemort because of his extraordinary ability to love and his purity of heart. This might mean he is willing to sacrifice himself to save those he loves. Perhaps he and Voldemort will fall through the veil together. If this happens, I hope that Harry finds a way to return. The series ending with Harry's death would be toooo sad. :upset:

I don't know if I could see Harry pushing Voldermont through the vail either, that seems alittle weird to me. I don't know how Harry would be able to get back into the DoM along with Voldermont too. I think that Harry will kill Voldermont with love some how, or love will be the force that will help Harry kill Voldermont.

I don't know if I could see Harry pushing Voldermont through the vail either, that seems alittle weird to me.

push Voldemort into the veil? Hansel and Grettel anyone? :D
sorry, just couldn't resist:D

Okay. First off, my understanding of the soul, is the spirit of the person, or "essense of life", without it, you might as well be dead.

A soulless person and a dead person are 2 different things. My understanding of dying is that your heart has stopped, ie, your body is no longer alive. Your essense is the part of you that makes you a person. When your body dies, your soul leaves it, but it lives on (or so I hope). Remember what Dumbledore said to Harry in PS/SS, "death is just another adventure" (according to my memory), when he was speaking about Nicholas Flamel and his wife.

But with the dementors kiss, your body is still alive. It sucks out the soul through the mouth, but leaves the body still alive. A shell is how it is described, but not dead.

So, what the veil does (in my opinion), is destroys/kills the body and the soul and transports it to the next life. An Avada Kedavra without a wand, instant and painless.

So I like the idea about the veil being the weapon to finish Voldemort (the last piece of soul once the horcruxes are destroyed), but I don't no why, but throwing the horcruxes through the veil just seems too easy for me. I'd be quite disappointed in JKR if it is, as I would have expected more of an explosive climax or end to the Voldemort vs Harry.

Hi folks, I'm new to here, although I have been reading for a while!

I've been thinking about how Harry would destroy the Horcruxes - considering they seriously injured Dumbledore (maybe even would've killed him if it wasn't for Snape) and I began thinking about the Veil in the department of mysteries.

Could Harry perhaps destroy the Horcruxes by throwing them through the Veil? I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, I did do a search but I couldn't see anything specific.

Thanks folks

I'm not too sure about that. Personally, I think the veil is something more like... well I'm not sure about that but I don't think it necessarily kills the person. Maybe it's like a containment room for extreme cases (opposed to just sending them to Azkaban). I don't see how throwing them through would destroy them.

That seems like an odd suggestion. The thought never occurred to me. In my opinion, the veil is for human being, not objects that carry parts of someone's soul. And those parts of Voldemort's soul are hardly human considering how many times his soul has been split. Im banking on Harry having to do much more difficult things to rid the world of Horcruxes than just through them behind some dusty curtain.

Yeah, I can see your point there. I'm just having trouble figuring out how Harry is going to destroy another 4 (maximum, it could be 3 if the locket is destroyed already) Horcruxes when Dumbledore struggled to destroy the ring and struggled with the fake Horcrux in the cave.

The veil definitely needs more explaining! :huh:

i think harry could use the veil, but i'm not entirely sure. i read somewhere where this person had a theory that dumbledore stuck the ring into the veil, but i'm not sure. maybe harry could use that. The veil has a lot of mysteries we still don't know, but i'm guessing harry might be able to use it.
LONG LIVE HARRY POTTER!

it is obvious that the veil is very important and it will play a big role in the last book. just not sure how b/c jk rowling hasnt told us much about the veil i mean there were voices behind veil that only harry and loona could hear and sirius falling into it..i mean we know sirius is dead but we still dont know the mystery of the veil....

anyways, what i'm concerned about and i want every1's opinion on this....

when harry and his friends go to dept. of ministery at the end of OOTP thinkin that voldermont is torturing sirius, harry could open every door in the ministry except for one...then he tries to open it with sirius's knife (which can open any door according to him) but harry still couldn't open this door later he tells dumbledore about it and he says: there is a door in the dept. of ministry that is locked at all times b/c it contains a force of power. tht's all and he doesnt explain why? now i know harry has the ability to love and tht is his greatest strength against voldemort and this locked also has some significance behind it. may be it has the power that harry can use against voldemort, some tools, may a way to destroy a horcrux who know!! but i'm just curious to what this locked door holds and i really hope we find out more about it in the next book..

please feel free to correct any mistakes i made and reply...thanks!!!!! :D

I've heard a lot of theories regarding destroying Horcruxes using the veil.

Some people think that Dumbledore put the ring through the veil, which is therefore why his hand was blackened. It seems like a decent possibility to me. Harry never did find out how Dumbledore destroyed that Horcrux... a Pensive memory he'll need to retreive perhaps?

Another theory regarding the veil and Horcruxes I've heard is that Harry will have to push Voldemort through the veil to destroy him, as I think most people believe he won't AK him anytime soon. ;) Or if think Harry or his scar is a Horcrux, he would have to pull Voldemort through with him, sacrficing himself to defeat LV once and for all.

So many possibilites isn't there? Its fun to speculate about it!

I think that Harry will destroy each Horcrux as soon as possible when he finds one, rather than hold onto them until he has them all, or can get to the Ministry ("Umm, gee, Rufus, could I use your Veil for a moment? Please?").

After all, imagine if Harry had a couple--and then Voldemort caught him. It'd be R.A.B. all over again.

On the other hand, I do think that he'll find his way back to the Ministry. Eventually.

Sorry, but I don't think the veil destroys souls. I think it's a passageway to the dead. While the veil might be important in Voldemort's defeat, and I really think that it will, I don't think it will be because it has inherent soul-destroying capabilities.

Sorry, but I don't think the veil destroys souls. I think it's a passageway to the dead. While the veil might be important in Voldemort's defeat, and I really think that it will, I don't think it will be because it has inherent soul-destroying capabilities.
I agree. The way to destroy your soul is to let be kissed by a dementor. Ugh, not a nice way to die, actually. Destroying soul is the worst nightmare in the magical world and I don't think Ministry does it anymore. By saying "anymore" I mean that the Veil room looks to me as a perfect execution place, maybe used in medieval times. I can't imagine any other reason why there are seats in a chamber with a one-way-to-death archway. I believe it is the way to the dimension of souls, but it's a one way door. If you once go through it, you never come back. But I think that's the whole better way to end your life than to become a ghost (didn't Nick say that he was afraid? I think I'd be pretty afraid if I was to go somewhere and I didn't know a thing.). Maybe you have peace there. The archway, the veil, it's metaphorical. Sure, if you are alive and fall through it, you die, or rather, you become dead. I think that Voldemort would never cross the threshold of the arch, because he's afraid of the death the most. That's probably where could lay the key. I still think the final battle will take place in DoM.

Ok, my theory is that harry will be able to use the veil to destroy the horcruxi. The veil destroys the soul of whatever falls through it, so it should destroy the piece of volemort's soul once thrown through. Any thoughts?

I think it makes a lot of sense but it almost seems too easy. On the other habd, the diary wasn't that hard to destroy so maybe it could work. It definitely seems logical.

Actualy, I was curious as to the significance of who was "fascinated" by the Veil. At first I thought that it was simply those who could see Thestrals (Harry, Luna and Neville), but wasn't Ginny also entranced, next to Neville?

The veil wouldnt be in the Ministry unless someone knew what it did. How come we don't know what it does? If it was unknown it wouldnt be out in the open like that with no security!

The veil wouldnt be in the Ministry unless someone knew what it did. How come we don't know what it does? If it was unknown it wouldnt be out in the open like that with no security!

People must know what it does. I'd say Lupin defienetly must, as he knew right away that Sirius was dead.

Sorry, but I don't think the veil destroys souls. I think it's a passageway to the dead. While the veil might be important in Voldemort's defeat, and I really think that it will, I don't think it will be because it has inherent soul-destroying capabilities.

I don't think the veil actually destroys the soul but takes it from the body. It would have a way to draw the soul out of the body. So, I guess it could draw a soul out of a Horcrux. That's what I think.

After reading everyones thoughts on this topic, i must say i am even more curious than ever about the 7th book. I did have my hopes that Sirius would somehow just walk back through the veil but they are now squashed lol.
Very interesting, lots of things i never would have thought of at all, so thanks for giving me something to dwell on for like the next year.

Very interesting theory. I really think that we'll see the veil again because there's still much that we don't know about it.

I don't know that the veil "does" anything, except that it's a connection, an entryway, a gateway to the afterlife. Sirius just took his body there, along with his soul.

And, it was hardly "out in the open" without any security. I'm sure that every Unspeakable working there knows exactly what it is. The spinning room is part of the security, and I suspect that generally people don't just climb up on the dais.

And, it was hardly "out in the open" without any security. I'm sure that every Unspeakable working there knows exactly what it is. The spinning room is part of the security, and I suspect that generally people don't just climb up on the dais.

Right, and the security was no doubt tampered with that night. Voldemort was setting a trap for Harry to retrieve the prophecy. I'll bet that normally it is not that easy to find your way into the Dept. of Mysteries as well as that "Veil Room".

The veil will play a very important part in book 7. JKR wouldn't have something that interesting appear once, only for the purpose of getting Sirius out of the way and then not be used again. Indeed, Sirius' passing through the veil was a setup for what will come in book 7. There are several things that have been mentioned that are good possibilities, such as a possible means of destroying the horcruxi. Whatever it's purpose in the last book, I feel certain we will see it again!

I like the idea that some people have put forward saying that if Harry is a Horcrux, in order to be rid of the piece of Voldemort's soul, he will have to jump through the veil. It makes perfect sense. [Since this started off as a kids book, I don't think Harry killing himself would set a good example for anyone.] So Harry jumps through the veil and Voldemort's soul is removed, but since he has his own soul left he can come back out unharmed. (While he's in there I'm sure he'll get to see all the loved ones he's lost.) When he comes back out, he fights Voldemort and kills him, or Voldemort falls through and dies. I'm not sure which one I can see happening.. although I think it's probably the first because I can't see Voldemort being clumsy enough to just fall through.

I like that, except that I wouldn't think it would matter whether there was one soul or two that came through; you'd think they would both have to stay there. But who knows! It's an easy enough problem for JKR to write around if she wanted to, seeing as she invented it and everything.

The only problem I can see with the overall theory is that we don't know what the true nature of the veil is. Does it really kill you when you pass through it, and then your spirit dwells there, or when you pass through do you just sort of shift over to another plane of existence with your body and soul still intact? If the second is true, then maybe it wouldn't really destroy the Horcruxes. Although it seems like if that were true, you'd be able to hop back through the veil with no problem, unless it's a one-way door or something. But anyway, we don't really know either way (although I'm guessing you pretty much die, and in that case I really like this theory). I guess it's another thing of what JKR wants to do with it.

In my opinion the Veil is a barrier between the living and the dead. I don't think it has any power by itself.

In my opinion the Veil is a barrier between the living and the dead. I don't think it has any power by itself.I agree about the barrier idea, but maybe this can be used. Then it indeed can get an important function in 7.

I'll go with the people who think the Veil is a barrier.

It's one of my pet theories anyway. The Veil separates the living from the dead, but there's a way through for the dead to act through it to help the living, more specifically Harry. I think however that for the living, going through the Veil is a one-way trip, at least for the body. Maybe the dead can act through the Veil, but they can never join the world of the living again. "No magic can bring back the dead", Dumbledore says to Harry at the end of GoF. (That's not an exact quote, but that's the idea.)

Ghosts are souls who lingered on, I believe they never went through the Veil. We all know Sirius definitely did. But I firmly believe what Luna says, that "It's not like we'll never see them again, didn't you hear them through the Veil?"

I think we will see the veil again and it indeed might become the key. To what I do not know?? I also think that it a barrier to death. I believe Dumbledore called that room the Death Chamber. So that would make sense that it is a gateway to death. I also think we have not seen the last of Sirius. Harry still has his mirror, it may be cracked, but that doesn't mean it is broken. The veil may have something to do with destroying a Horcrux, maybe objects that have no soul attached simply pass through, but objects with a soul are consumed (accepted) by the veil. I definitely think we will end up back at the MoM again. It was the last place Harry was face to face with Voldemort. I think the journey could end up here.

Ahh.. Jo and her mysterious ways. Now WHY would she put that?? "It's not like we'll never see them again, didn't you hear them through the Veil?" definately must mean something.. ;)

Ahh.. Jo and her mysterious ways. Now WHY would she put that?? "It's not like we'll never see them again, didn't you hear them through the Veil?" definately must mean something.. ;)Yup. She also said that dead people are never really away, if we just still love them. So I tend to think that all will be mentioned in 7 again and 'there' in some ways. But, she said that over and over again, dead is dead. Nobody will return. Even not through the veil. Nontheless it seems the veil can be helpfully in 7. It's one of these 'big magical artefacts' where you just can't believe that it will never return.

I'd like to see how she portrays them as coming back. Since they can't truely return from that dead and walk around, how will they come back? It was mentioned that not all people can be turned into ghosts, and Lily, James, Sirius, and Dumbledore were definately not the type to become one.

Ahh.. Jo and her mysterious ways. Now WHY would she put that?? "It's not like we'll never see them again, didn't you hear them through the Veil?" definitely must mean something.. ;)

I think that Luna meant that she and Harry would see their loved ones one day when they (Luna and Harry) died.

i dont know if this is the right place to bring this up but in oop in the scene where they first see the veil...ginny neville and harry are all entanced by the veil and so is luna. now luna neville and harry hve all lsot lvoed ones or seen death and thats who they hear beyond the veil (being the ones who see thestrals) but why ginny? as far as we know ginny has lost no family or ron would have been entranced too...could this be forshadowing of the deaths in the 7th book? i hope not...

i dont know if this is the right place to bring this up but in oop in the scene where they first see the veil...ginny neville and harry are all entranced by the veil and so is luna. now luna neville and harry hve all lost loved ones or seen death and thats who they hear beyond the veil (being the ones who see thestrals) but why ginny? as far as we know ginny has lost no family or ron would have been entranced too...could this be forshadowing of the deaths in the 7th book? i hope not...

I wondered much the same thing myself last page...

http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=3992248&postcount=96

...but didn't seem to spur any interest. Good thought, though, potterbunny. I'm glad that I wasn't imagining things!

I don't think it's foreshadowing of deaths, though. It would seem to have to do with something of their respective pasts.

Who did Neville see die? I forget..

I think it was his Grandfather. I will look it up...

To answer the question, I don't think the veil is the key to anything. I don't think we will see it again in book 7. The battle at the MOM has already happened and I don't think JKR will take us there again. I think whe wanted to show us the Department of Mysteries to get us thinking about things deeper than we normally do.

I think the veil is just what it appeared to be, the separation between life and death. It is still there, but I think the future battles will be somewhere besides the MOM.

I have to disagree with you, missypotter. I believe the Veil was to crucial to be used only once in the series. It killed Sirius (I guess you would say that), Harry & co. (minus Ron and Hermione) were entranced by it, and Luna made us think with her "It's not like we'll never see them again" comment. Harry also ran into the room twice while trying to find Sirius. I don't think would let slide such a huge part of a book. I believe we'll be seeing more of the veil.

i agree with gryffind0r23 i dont think she would of showed us the veil if it wasnt going to be important in later books because sirius could of died many other ways than falling through the veil...i think we have to fin out what is behaing that closed door which means we must return to MoM.

Yes, the veil certainly seems significant. I am assuming since it is in the 'death chamber'(is that what he called it? I have to double check that) that the Ministry used it for executions? If nothing else, I at least hope she explains it a bit more.

I think it would be an excellent way for Harry to finish Voldemort. I just can't see him using the killing curse on him, and besides, their wands have that weird connection going on, so they don't work so well against each other. I can see Harry grabbing Voldemort and diving through the veil with him...but then of course we lose our hero....BOO!

I was a bit disapointed not to hear anything about the veil in book six, but she doesnt usually clear things up that fast I guess. So I hope we will learn some more about it in book 7. It would be a strange thing to bring such a mysterious thing into the story just to kill someone off and then not explain it at all.

I think it would be an excellent way for Harry to finish Voldemort. I just can't see him using the killing curse on him, and besides, their wands have that weird connection going on, so they don't work so well against each other. I can see Harry grabbing Voldemort and diving through the veil with him...but then of course we lose our hero....BOO!

i could not see harry killing him either like bellatrix said. righteos anger wont do anything and thats what it is he wants revenge...

i thnk we shoudla ll prepare ourselves for manye deaths we arnt happy about...

I think it would be an excellent way for Harry to finish Voldemort. I just can't see him using the killing curse on him, and besides, their wands have that weird connection going on, so they don't work so well against each other. I can see Harry grabbing Voldemort and diving through the veil with him...but then of course we lose our hero....BOO!

Interesting idea! The veil would certainly be a much better way for Harry to kill Voldemort rather than Avada-ing him...I wonder what would happen if Harry used a Vanishing Spell on him, though? :lol:

I really hope the veil reappears in 7 though, it has a lot of unsolved mysteries around it and I really want to know what ACTUALLY happened to Sirius.

yeah i dont think jo can end the series without explaingin sirius.

she has a lot to explain in book 7. i know she says it wont be THAT long but i hope it is. i really dont want the series to end. :(

I know, it's too soon for it to end. Even though I'm dying in anticipation for the 7th book, it will be all over after that!!! :upset: I hope the book is like 2000 pages

i dont know how is gonna happen but im pretty sure that the veil is gonna be important. and i think that somehow were gonna be able to see something more of sirius

i think its important for siruis to re appear becasue harrys parents came back (well sort of) with prior incantartem(sp?) so i think harry has to see him one more time before the end...im interested in to ow jo would do it though. maybe harry could speak to him through the veil?

not sure bout that one but harry will definatley find out something more about the veil and how it works and the history...etc. interesting theory though very creative

i think its important for siruis to re appear becasue harrys parents came back (well sort of) with prior incantartem(sp?) so i think harry has to see him one more time before the end...im interested in to ow jo would do it though. maybe harry could speak to him through the veil?If he could speak through the veil he probably already had done the time Sirius was gone. :(

But I got the impression (wish?), too, that they somehow will be able to speak again before all ends. Harry tried so hard in OotP and I see that JK for first wanted to tell us how hard such a loss is. But maybe there was really more to it.

I think it would be an excellent way for Harry to finish Voldemort. I just can't see him using the killing curse on him, and besides, their wands have that weird connection going on, so they don't work so well against each other. I can see Harry grabbing Voldemort and diving through the veil with him...but then of course we lose our hero....BOO!

but how in the world would they end up in ministry of magic to do it i mean i know there are a million different ways i just can't see voldy and harry fighting in there

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Ok, my theory is that harry will be able to use the veil to destroy the horcruxi. The veil destroys the soul of whatever falls through it, so it should destroy the piece of volemort's soul once thrown through. Any thoughts?

Many fan-fictions like this theory. It is a "pretty" ending. I don't know why Jo would want another battle in the Department of Mysteries, so I think otherwise. It is possible, though, but anways...

There was also talk of getting Dumbledore or Snape out of the veil in this thread and I disagree with that, too. I feel as if the veil has served it's purpose and I don't think it will be making another appearance.

i think even if the veil itself doesnt re-appear we need to knwo more about itat the moment what do we know about the veil...i dont think jo can leave anything un explained it would be to frustrating.

i think even if the veil itself doesnt re-appear we need to knwo more about itat the moment what do we know about the veil...i dont think jo can leave anything un explained it would be to frustrating.She already said there will be things that will be still unexplained in 7. I assume we will hear more about the veil, but we can actually not know. There are some very powerful magical artefacts (the mirror of Erise, the Weasley's clock, ...) and I actually can't see all of them reappear in 7 (although I can't decide which one we won't see again, too :lol:).

i suppose if jo tried to explain everything in book 7 it would be well over 1000 words long (not that i would mind :P)

There are those items and characters which were tossed into one of the previous books that are too tantalizing NOT to be used in the last book - things and people that we KNOW are important, and are still around, and still have some role to play. My list of these things/characters would be (off the top of my head):

Albus Dumbledore and/or the barman (if they are not the same person)
The wandmaker
the locket in Sirius' house
the mirror of Erised
the veil
Harry's mirror from Sirius
R.A.B. (was that clue TOO obvious in the book? Did Joe intend that we all jump to the wrong conclusion?)
the tall blonde deatheater
the unmentionables
Petunia
The last locked room
others?

i suppose if jo tried to explain everything in book 7 it would be well over 1000 words long (not that i would mind :P)Me neither. :D

Just wanted to say that it's at least possible that there will be no further story about the veil. But I actually tend to think we will see it again.

i hope the veil is in book 7. i think if we knew exactly how it workes it might bring some closure over siruis death. for htose of us who are still gobsmacked and grieving :(

Jo has said that the two way mirror will appear again in book 7. Maybe Harry will find a way to communicate with Sirius with the mirror (even though it didn't work before. ...) and maybe find out what's on the other side of the veil. It's not likely that they will go back into the Department of Mysteries, since there was already a huge scene there in OotP, but maybe Harry can find out from Sirius through the mirror, what is behind the veil.

i think its fitting for the final battle to be at hogwarts...although they have already ahd a battle there... maybe the veil could be moved?

I don't think they have any reason to move the veil into Hogwarts. It is not really a safe thing to have around a school, especially because if you go through it you die... not what I'd want in my school.

oh yeah haha pretty stupid...

or he can fight voldy in the department of mysteries and push him through the veil in the end, lol probably not though...

it will have to have an end thjat nobody can predict. did anyone predict that would be how dumbledor died? jk is good at that.

All i have to say is this:
If the veil is the key- then a next cool name for book seven would be:

Harry Potter and the Veil of Darkness

All i have to say is this:
If the veil is the key- then a next cool name for book seven would be:

Harry Potter and the Veil of Darkness
ooooh, I like it. Sounds all mysterious. I don't think the veil is going to be the central idea though. It will certainly be important for part of the story, we have to find out what is behind it. Maybe one of the chapters can be called "The Veil of Darkness." :D

I don't think they have any reason to move the veil into Hogwarts. It is not really a safe thing to have around a school, especially because if you go through it you die... not what I'd want in my school.

I agree!.....That doesn't seem like a Smart thing to do!....and i dont think that the Veil is actually moveable in the first place!

I don't think the veil is going to be the central idea though. It will certainly be important for part of the story, we have to find out what is behind it. Maybe one of the chapters can be called "The Veil of Darkness." I won't speculate about a title, but I think you made an important observation. From all we have discussed now, it seems no longer likely that the veil will be a major point in 7.

All i have to say is this:
If the veil is the key- then a next cool name for book seven would be:

Harry Potter and the Veil of Darkness

Or Harry Potter and the Drapery of Doom?

Yeah, the veil seems like a weird thing for her to bring up once and never mention again. Why go through the trouble if Bella could just Avada Sirius and be done with? Looks to me like a Chekovian gun waiting to be fired...

Or Harry Potter and the Drapery of Doom?
:rotfl: That's amazing. Yeah, pretty likely that will be the title.... :lol:

Yeah, the veil seems like a weird thing for her to bring up once and never mention again. Why go through the trouble if Bella could just Avada Sirius and be done with? Looks to me like a Chekovian gun waiting to be fired...

yeah exactly trhere could have been loads of horrible cruel ways for siruis to die but it was the mystery of the veil that made the end of the book just that little bit more exciting. its like when we were introduced to the miror of erised we didnt need to be really it didnt actually hold much purpose, it was nice though. but thent he mirror of erised became very important in the end of the book. its these mysterious items that make the books as amazing as they are.

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Ok, my theory is that harry will be able to use the veil to destroy the horcruxi. The veil destroys the soul of whatever falls through it, so it should destroy the piece of volemort's soul once thrown through. Any thoughts?
It's an excellent idea, but it seems too easy. I think if Harry tried it, I'm sure it would work, though!

It's an excellent idea, but it seems too easy. I think if Harry tried it, I'm sure it would work, though!




I dont think the minstry will beleive harry about the horxrux' so he wont be able to get to the vail.

I dont think the minstry will beleive harry about the horxrux' so he wont be able to get to the vail.

I agree with you. I believe that this fight is between Voldemort and Harry, and Harry will try to avoid MoM. First of all, he wouldn't tell the ministry about the horcruxes (he promised DD he wouldn't tell anyone but Ron and Hermione). And throwing them in the veil seems just too ...simple. How would he take the cup, the Gryffindor/Ravenclaw "trophy" or Nagini to the Department of Mysteries, without telling the Ministry about it? Doesnt seem like a possibility to me.

Even if the veil isnt a central idea i still think we will learn more about it in the 7th book even if its just in passing, because lupin for example knew how the veil works i dont see why he shouldnty tell harry exactly how his godfather died...

I think it is a great theory, but I can't see it happening.

First off, Harry destroyed the diary horcrux without using the veil. And it would just be boring to read about every horcrux being thrown into the veil. Maybe for one of them, but not all.

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Ok, my theory is that harry will be able to use the veil to destroy the horcruxi. The veil destroys the soul of whatever falls through it, so it should destroy the piece of volemort's soul once thrown through. Any thoughts?

i believe the veil will be important although not in this way.the veil traps the soul away from the body,it does not destroy it.so this would not work anyways i believe.

Theories On The Viel.. Hhehehe..
1. Big Kick *** Exhaust Fan That Gently Blows But Blades Chop Slowly But Finely..hehe
2. Its An Enterance To The Room That Wouldnt Open.. The Room Of Love..the Door That Melted Sirius Knife.. Im Absolutely Sure That Room Will Be The End Of Voldi.. Thats Way Too Much Love For Anyone.. Hehe..
U Know What... ? What A Wonderful Video Game This Could Be.. Has Anyone Played Legend Of Zelda.. ? The Ministry Would Be A Very Interesting Labyrinth.. Heheh

What we do no about the veil is that it is in a room called 'the execution chamber' (or death chamber or something like that - my books all the way upstairs!) and Sirius died when he fell through it; this would suggest that going through the veil will permanently end your life even if we don't know exactly how that happens i.e. if it destroys the soul and the bodies trapped or if it transports the person to a whole new realm like the land of the dead or something. But if it ends life permanently in what ever way it is definatly a possibility of a way to destroy horcruxes (or indeed voldermort in his body form). There are so many mysteries that surround the veil such as why was it moving as if in a breeze when there was no breeze and why could some of harry and co hear voices from beyond it and not others. This could be a red herring planted by JKR but it could also be her laying the foundations to make more of the veil in book 7!

so he is going to chuck them in there one by one///. and then finaly get a hold of voldis pants and shove him in?.. getting a visual here.. and no mess!!!

That's a really good theory. I like it. :)

I dont know what role the Veil will play in 7, possibly a way for the living to communicate with the dead. After all, everything in the Department of Mysteries was being studied intensely - Love, Time, Thought/Memories (the brains) - why wouldn't Death be studied too? I think we'll find out exactly what the MoM was doing in that chamber, and it will come into play.

I believe that the Veil is definately important. I think that through out the books, we have seen Harry grow up. I think that one important thing he needs to do is come to terms with death and what it is. I think that is what the Veil will provide. As far as the MoM, I believe we will see it again because I feel that the most important thing that we learned about is the Love Room. The power of love and the pain of death are two things that have been talked about repeatedly in the books. Therefore, I think both rooms will be fairly important.

Also remember this quote when speculating about the Veil:
The veil was created hundreds and hundreds of years ago at the same time the Ministry was created. It is only used for the research of death and not for executions. [Read the entire quote from the Leaky Cauldron, 2005]

I wonder if you need to use one horcrux to destroy another. I'm probably completely wrong, but it's the fact that Harry used a founder's object (Godric's sword) to destroy the diary in CoS that makes me curious. But that would leave one left at the end. So perhaps that would be chucked through the veil.

But he didn't use Godric's sword - he used the Basilisk fang. He used the sword to kill the Basilisk, but a fang broke off when it died and he stabbed that through the diary.

But he didn't use Godric's sword - he used the Basilisk fang. He used the sword to kill the Basilisk, but a fang broke off when it died and he stabbed that through the diary.

That will teach me to reread the books before I start shooting my mouth off!

Maybe Harry will have to take Voldemort to the Departement of Mysteries and make him cross the veil so he dies!:eyebrows:

Im really intrigued by the Veil. And I think its important. I like the idea of learning more about it through a ghost...since they are already dead, they can't die when they go through it. Nearly Headless Nick could by a key player in that role. As far as why its important, I talked about my theories on an earlier post. If you are bored you can take a look. (ha). As far has killing the soul in a Horcux, I used to believe that Harry would toss the objects through the Veil. But now I rather like the idea of Dementors sucking the soul out.

I definitely think we will be seeing the Veil again but I doubt it will be used to destroy the Horcruxes. That would just seem too easy.

DoM: "Welcome back Harry, got another one?"
Harry: "Yeah, just two more to go."
<Harry tosses Horcrux #3 into the Veil>
Harry: "See you soon, mate."
DoM: "Take it easy, kiddo."

Frankly, I don't see it happening that way. I think Harry will have to find a way to destroy each Horcrux in a different way, similar to how they will probably be defended in different ways. I doubt Voldemort would make all his Horcruxes destroyable in the same way.

I belive it to be very likely that Harry may walk through the veil at the end of book seven... You see, If Ginny does not survive there is nothing left in the world for him...He will bear the burden of painful memories forever, thus he needs to forget...Let me think of an example....

Frodo in LOTR, he goes to the elf haven for the same reasons really...

I agree that each horcrux will probably have it's own unique method of destruction.

In light of new theories about the Veil because of the title, I wanted to bring this thread back to life. Any new thoughts?

I belive it to be very likely that Harry may walk through the veil at the end of book seven... You see, If Ginny does not survive there is nothing left in the world for him...He will bear the burden of painful memories forever, thus he needs to forget...Let me think of an example....

Frodo in LOTR, he goes to the elf haven for the same reasons really...

I'm almost positive that Harry will visit the otherside (probably through the veil). Even if Ginny does die, if Harry goes to the otherside, he'll have a chance to see all his loved ones who've died.

I believe that If Harry goes through the veil, he'll find a way back through and survive the series, with or without Ginny.

I wonder if the new title refers to the voise or the place behind the Veil.

The Veil is definately the key. As time comes closer to Halloween the veil weekens. I came to this conclusion since the title is Deathly Hallows. Hallows is a new year on Holloween that believes the veil is weakest at that moment. It would make sense that around holloween the veil will be the weakest resulting in the ability to cross from the spirit world to earth, or vice versa. The reason for the veil being as mysterious as it was is that it was near the end of thier O.W.L.s, and not near Holloween.

I just had this thought - Wormal will be next to fall through the veil.
There's a sort of connection between the veil and secret keeping. The latter being breakable, and the former being permenant and no being a form of protection. They're sort of opposites and in my opinion, exactly what Pettigrew deserves - rather than being killed violently by Voldemort eventually.

Harry will cross the viel I think. There are many clues leading to this moment. In book one Harry symbolically entering the underworld. Eg: Three headed dog guarding entrance to trapdoor, greek mythology three headed dog guarding entrance to underworld..

Harry will cross the viel I think. There are many clues leading to this moment. In book one Harry symbolically entering the underworld. Eg: Three headed dog guarding entrance to trapdoor, greek mythology three headed dog guarding entrance to underworld..

Very grim thought, but I wouldn't throw the theory into the bin, though. It's quite possible, really, that Fluffy was placed there as a substitute for Cancerberus in Greek mythology...and Harry going through the veil is a good possibility.

Regarding the "throwing the horcruxes into the veil so as to destroy them" well...it does seem a bit easy, but who knows? The only problem I find is that, if this is not true, there is then no way of recovering the Horcrux without crossing the veil yourself, and who knows what lies behind it. This way the Horcrux would remain 'alive' but unreacheable, and it would only be worse for the good side.

Ok, my theory is that harry will be able to use the veil to destroy the horcruxi. The veil destroys the soul of whatever falls through it, so it should destroy the piece of volemort's soul once thrown through. Any thoughts?

Great theory. It makes even more sense now that the title has been released and one of its definitions involves a veil.

hey tell me what u think of this theory..
im pretty sure that the room thats sealed shut has love in it.. now what is the source of this love.. maybe its the other side of the veil room..!!!! ha. pretty intereting. huh.. i know architecturally its not possible.. but the doors do move around.. so lets not get technical.ehhee.. but everyone who goes over to the other side maybe good people..maybe it collects good people..(yea i kno far fetched..)i have a strong gut feeling that the veil room and the closed door are linked.!!

I am surprised this topic hasn't been made into a thread, or maybe it has I don't know. But seeing as the new covers are bringing up major theories with the veil I thought it would be good to start a thread to discuss the theories about the veil and it significance in Deathly Hallows.

To me, I don't like the whole theory that the final battle will be INSIDE the veil. I mean... if they go through the veil they are dead. So how can anyone win in that situation? Unless those figures around Harry and Voldemort are people coming out of the veil?? Any thoughts or theories?

We don't know that going inside the Veil causes one to die. Sirius was hit with a streak of red light, so we know Bellatrix didn't use Avada Kedavra on him. Harry, Neville, and Luna heard voices on the other side of it (and Ginny? My books are in the States and I'm in France, I can't check), and we know that they all had close friends/family members die in their presence. That's pretty much all we know about the Veil (or at least I do, I've not read many of JKR's interviews, I don't know if she's discussed this).

I personally think that *beyond the veil* is a kind of different dimension, and I think that it may provide a place for Voldemort and Harry to duel away from the Death Eaters and the rest of the Order....just the two, no help for either.

We don't know that going inside the Veil causes one to die. Sirius was hit with a streak of red light, so we know Bellatrix didn't use Avada Kedavra on him. Harry, Neville, and Luna heard voices on the other side of it (and Ginny? My books are in the States and I'm in France, I can't check), and we know that they all had close friends/family members die in their presence. That's pretty much all we know about the Veil (or at least I do, I've not read many of JKR's interviews, I don't know if she's discussed this).

I personally think that *beyond the veil* is a kind of different dimension, and I think that it may provide a place for Voldemort and Harry to duel away from the Death Eaters and the rest of the Order....just the two, no help for either.

That's a theory I hadn't really thought of before... Harry and the Dark Lord dueling inside the veil? It's scary though, because I always thought of the veil as being the Veil of Death. You remember how there was the "life" room with the egg turning into a bird then back into an egg? That's what makes me think that the veil is death.

Therefore, I don't know if I would be all that reassured if Harry and Voldemort were to duel *in* there, because, how would Harry get out of there?

The idea that they would fight in the Department of Mysteries, however, is a good one. Harry would be able to use what he found there to fight (the room nobody could open, for example...), and yes, they could indeed fight in the Veil Room, which would make it possible for Harry to kill Voldemort the same way that Bellatrix killed Sirius.

Now I'll have to think about all this and read OotP again.

*runs to catch her train*

On a side note, I am so fond of the Veil and the many theories and this thread in particular, that I referenced it as something that should be included in a COS FanFiction Contests -- a big one, to spotlight the anniversary of the contest. :tu:

Sirius was hit with a streak of red light, so we know Bellatrix didn't use Avada Kedavra on him

Avada Kedavra may be the only killing spell, but it isn't necessarily the only one hat causes death. I'm sure 'expelliarmus', for example, could kill someone if you used enough power. We've seen already that it can cause someone to get knocked out.

Well I don't know if anyone said anything but I think maybe Dumbledores hand got messed up by sticking it in the veil while having the ring in his hand.

We don't know that going inside the Veil causes one to die. Sirius was hit with a streak of red light, so we know Bellatrix didn't use Avada Kedavra on him. Harry, Neville, and Luna heard voices on the other side of it (and Ginny? My books are in the States and I'm in France, I can't check), and we know that they all had close friends/family members die in their presence. That's pretty much all we know about the Veil (or at least I do, I've not read many of JKR's interviews, I don't know if she's discussed this).

I personally think that *beyond the veil* is a kind of different dimension, and I think that it may provide a place for Voldemort and Harry to duel away from the Death Eaters and the rest of the Order....just the two, no help for either.I agree with what you said except I don't believe on can go beyond the veil, and then come back, It symbolizes death in OotP, and we are shown that death is forever, no one can come back from it.

I think the 'veil' and 'beyond the veil' symbolizes death, and the reason it is in the DoM is because it was studied, apparently time, love, space and other things are studied there, death is too. The Veil will play a major role in Deathly Hallows, however, I just don't know how.

The veil destroys the soul of whatever falls through it, so it should destroy the piece of volemort's soul once thrown through. Any thoughts?

I sure hope that the veil doesn't destroy souls... I'd like to believe that Sirius still has a complete soul, even if he no longer has a body on this earth.

I sure hope that the veil doesn't destroy souls... I'd like to believe that Sirius still has a complete soul, even if he no longer has a body on this earth.
It must do something to the souls, because Harry could hear people talking just beyond the veil, however, we know, there were no people actually beyond the veil.

It must do something to the souls, because Harry could hear people talking just beyond the veil, however, we know, there were no people actually beyond the veil.

Just because the souls are over there doesn't imply that the souls are destroyed. For example, if "beyond the veil" is just their term for "going to heaven," it would just mean that it's where the souls of the departed go, which (I think) just means the physical body was destroyed, not that the soul itself was destroyed.

Just because the souls are over there doesn't imply that the souls are destroyed. For example, if "beyond the veil" is just their term for "going to heaven," it would just mean that it's where the souls of the departed go, which (I think) just means the physical body was destroyed, not that the soul itself was destroyed.

With you mentioning heaven in your quote (which makes sense, by the way), what if the veil is a subtle reference to the Biblical story of Jesus ripping the veil in the Temple upon His death (not that I've inferred your mention of heaven as strictly a Christian reference--most religions have a heaven that is named differently)? Aside from the Christian implications (and I mean no offence to anyone here at all), do you think that JKR means to use that aspect of Jesus' heroic sacrifice (the same scale of sacrifice that we've seen from others who were willing to die to save millions) to show how Harry's defeat over Voldemort is that much more vital? Perhaps Harry defeating Voldemort will silence the voices on the other side because balance will be restored just as it was in Jesus' story?

Does any of that make sense? I'm not sure if I've executed my thoughts out well enough!

Due to the fact that I don't want Harry to die, I hope she doesn't use the symbolism of Jesus' heroic sacrifice. I only referred to "Heaven" when speaking about the afterlife because that's a word I'm familiar with. I didn't really mean to imply Christianity specifically.

I'm not sure what you mean by, "...balance will be restored just as it was in Jesus' story" Unfortunately I don't know too many bible stories, but did Jesus defeat a great evil akin to Voldemort? I realize Satan is evil, but did he and Jesus actually do battle?

Due to the fact that I don't want Harry to die, I hope she doesn't use the symbolism of Jesus' heroic sacrifice. I only referred to "Heaven" when speaking about the afterlife because that's a word I'm familiar with. I didn't really mean to imply Christianity specifically.

I'm not sure what you mean by, "...balance will be restored just as it was in Jesus' story" Unfortunately I don't know too many bible stories, but did Jesus defeat a great evil akin to Voldemort? I realize Satan is evil, but did he and Jesus actually do battle?

I honestly had no intention to make this a Christian discussion, so I will be as brief as possible with the overview of the Biblical history behind what I'm saying. I simply saw the connection in my mind and wanted to spring it off a few other minds to see if it held merit! Jesus defeat death by giving Christians a chance to get to heaven through forgiveness from God in Jesus's name rather than from animal sacrifice, and He managed that task by defeating Satan through the ultimate sacrifice. His death, essentially, won the battle.

The connection that I see here is that Harry is up against evil personified through Voldemort. The presence of the veil is striking because of the voices heard behind it--Biblically, the Holy of Holies was thought to be very much alive because it was the dwelling place of God. However, there was an imbalance present because humanity was not directly connected to God until the veil was split--people always had to go through someone else (such as a priest or Sadducee who performed the rites and ceremonies needed for forgiveness). Essentially, I saw a parallel between defeating Voldemort and balancing the ambiguity that the veil represents--Sirius wasn't murdered by Bellatrix (that we know of, of course--her red spell may have killed him based on impact or the condition of his body if he hadn't fallen behind the veil) and is only said to be "gone"--does anyone specifically say that he is dead? Anyway, I had the idea that Harry's defeat over Voldemort may tear that veil.

Is that totally and complete far-fetched? A part of me thinks so, but then another part still toys with the possibility. Thoughts?

I would hope that the veil does not destroy souls. Just because I don't believe that Sirirus' soul has been destroyed, otherwise why would his soul have been saved in POA.

I think it's more likely that Sirius is dead but his soul is in a state of suspension or lingering, where it cannot move onto the other world. Look how Harry reacts to the veil. It mesmerizes him and Hermione has to yell at him several times to get him to come back, otherwise he would have walked in because of his state of mind, controlled by the veil.

While I do think the Veil will play a key in the book, I think it will be more of a subplot more than anything where Harry actually let's Sirius' soul pass into the afterlife so that he isn't stuck in a state that is worse than death.

But the veil could destroy the horcruxes because the veil parts the souls from humans, it might be able to remove the soul from objects as well. That would make it possible for Harry to "destroy" them and not hurt himself in the process.

The idea might work. All Harry would have to do is gather all the horcruxes and then make a trip down to the Ministry of Magic and chuck them in. Then he could get Voldie and run down to the veil and chuck him in! Hooray!

Though I think he'd have a hard time getting down there, seeing as how Harry and the Minister aren't on very good terms with each other.

Where in the books does it actually explain what the veil does? It is my understanding that we are still waiting to find out exactly what the Veil does when you pass into it?

Are you just speculating what it could do or what?

Harry could apparate to the ministry with the horcruxes, chuck them in, wait for Voldy to attack him or go after him, force him to side-along apparate with him then chuck him in.:lol: :lol:


Ok maybe harder than that to get to the ministry, but a cranky minister or not, Harry might have to force his way in. Or he could take the offer to be the poster boy of the ministry and be able to get in there faster with the ministry as back up.

Are you just speculating what it could do or what?

I am speculating yes.

Where in the books does it actually explain what the veil does? It is my understanding that we are still waiting to find out exactly what the Veil does when you pass into it?

Are you just speculating what it could do or what?

Er, you're right, I suppose we don't really know yet what the veil does. I think we just assumed that it was the veil that separates the living world from Death, because we heard voices behind it and Sirius was considered dead once he had vanished behind it.

So yes, I suppose we are just speculating on what it could do. Sorry for the confusion.

But if it separates life from Death, then wouldn't it work to throw the horcruxes (and Voldie :lol: ) in? Because it would "kill" them, so to speak...

I guess it could work that way but I just hate the idea that it would actually "destroy" someone's soul. I accept that Sirius is dead, that's fine but to think that his soul is somehow obliterated or something, I just don't like it personally.

May as well have just let the Dementor's have it in POA, in my view if that's the way it works.

And like someone said earlier, if you could just throw them in there, it would be too easy.

Just my 2 cents.

Not destroy the soul, but separate the soul. If the soul was destroyed, why then are there all of those voices behind the veil? That's what I think anyway.