Tracking Down the Remaining Horcruxes v4.0

TR was between what 15-17 years old when GW was defeated by DD, i'm sure the DP covered the story ... so everyone knows where the man was defeated by DD. For this theory I'm going to assume it was Albania, or if it was in England, then GW's hidey hole was in Albania. In addition, it's an assumption that GW knew about or perhaps even utilized Horcruxes. (although this is weak as it would seem that DD would have picked up earlier on the fact that LV might be using them.) Um, I have to disagree with your timeline on this. Grindelwald was defeated the year Tommy finished his seventh year at Hogwarts. He would have been 18 by then (his birthday is December 31, so he would turn 18 in the middle of seventh year). I doubt he had the means to get to Albania before he finished school. And Grindelwald would have been dead less than 6 months after Tommy finished school. Not a lot of time for teaching Tommy (who went to work for Borgin & Burke right after school).

I also don't think it is safe to assume that Grindelwald has any association with Albania. The name is Germanic, so maybe Austria, but Albania is Slavic. Grindelwald was practically a nobody anyway. No one ever mentions Dumbledore's "famous" defeat of a majorly evil wizard, and it would be very appropriate for several characters to do so. I also don't think it wise to associate Voldemort with Grindelwald (as in, they actually knew each other). We have no information to support such an assumption. (I do agree that the Daily Prophet would have reported Grindelwald's defeat at the time, though.)

Think of the associations of the destroyed Horcruxes with their locations. Slytherin = water (from the 4 elements part of the MN&TLC interview) = locket surrounded by and submerged in water. Closest living wizarding relative = family home (hovel is more like it) = ring hidden in the house. [This may hold true for the Riddle home, too, but not sure which item that would be. There don't seem to be any Muggle objects used as Horcruxes other than the diary. Maybe V stashed the diary there before later giving it to a DE...]

Then we have: Ravenclaw = air = ???. Hufflepuff = earth = cup (should be in a location underground; could be buried in the soil of Albania, in the Chamber, under Hepzibah's house, in Gringott's, in the Underground, in an Egyptian tomb, etc.). Gryffindor = fire = ??? (there may not be a Gryffindor horcrux item; possible for the intended item to still be at Godric's Hollow if V took it with him the night he murdered the Potters, but it wouldn't be a Horcrux, just a Gryffindor relic). Nagini = living creature = roaming around with V.

There really haven't been a lot of hints or clues to why V would choose Albania for a hiding place. Bertha Jorkins has an aunt in Albania. Pettigrew seemed to have little difficulty in finding Vapormort in the forests of Albania, did he have more information than most DEs? Why would Vapormort flee there instead of to a place where he did have followers who could have "rescued" him?

I also don't think it is safe to assume that Grindelwald has any association with Albania. The name is Germanic, so maybe Austria, but Albania is Slavic. Grindelwald was practically a nobody anyway. No one ever mentions Dumbledore's "famous" defeat of a majorly evil wizard, and it would be very appropriate for several characters to do so. I also don't think it wise to associate Voldemort with Grindelwald (as in, they actually knew each other). We have no information to support such an assumption. (I do agree that the Daily Prophet would have reported Grindelwald's defeat at the time, though.)

Well just cause it is a Germanic name does not mean anything. We are talking mid to late 1900's, My Last name is italian based but my whole blood line is Celtic and Germanic? That really does not fit the whole frame of what Surry was saying and point Grindelwald was a Dark Wizard still at the age of 16 for Riddle, we can detest that it is possible. I mean he did find his uncle and his father and killed his muggle family at that age, so anything is possible.

I do like your theory on the element and locations thereof for the horcruxes:

I agree that the Diary was likely the only muggle made horcrux object, it was likely his first and an attempt to see if he could do it. The question though is in book six we find that there is an incantation needed to make a horcrux and Slughorn never told him how, so where did he learn it? Or did he already know how and just wanted to confirm the ability to make more then one? That overall is a good question.

Back to the element issue though, maybe it is not the way they are hidden but how you must test for the item itself. Ravenclaw - Air, Hufflepuff - Earth, Slytherin - Water and Gryffindor - Fire... Remember to get to the one in the cave was a test of earth but water mostly though. The Ring, which he only know was at home of his grandfather, nothing of the trials, if there were any. But I believe that one has to be in the graveyard at Hogwarts and likely the cup. And then a trial by air for Ravenclaw or trial by fire for an object of Gryffindor. But overall it is a good concept and a worthy theory.

Well just cause it is a Germanic name does not mean anything. We are talking mid to late 1900's, My Last name is italian based but my whole blood line is Celtic and Germanic? T

It's more common in the US to have a last name that isn't consistent with the blood line, but in Europe they're more likely to be matched. I don't know if you're from the US - but our heritage is much more mixed than that of many Europeans.

So a Germanic last name probably belongs to someone from Germany. It also matches with the notion that Grindelwald was associated with Hitler.

Well just cause it is a Germanic name does not mean anything. We are talking mid to late 1900's, My Last name is italian based but my whole blood line is Celtic and Germanic? That really does not fit the whole frame of what Surry was saying and point Grindelwald was a Dark Wizard still at the age of 16 for Riddle, we can detest that it is possible. I mean he did find his uncle and his father and killed his muggle family at that age, so anything is possible. Oh, I didn't mean to imply that people don't move around in real life...just that JKR tends to use names that are associated with places for certain people. Thus, Grindelwald is German to tie in with the whole Hitler thing, especially the end of WWII. Karkaroff has a name related to the probable placement of Durmstrang (northern Europe, maybe between Germany and Russia; Durmstrang is "corrupted" German, Karkaroff is a Russian name). Since Grindelwald is already tied to a German figure (Hitler; tied to Austria as well), I just don't see how he fits in with Albania [JKR said in post-HBP interviews that Grindelwald is derived from German]. Maybe I just don't know enough WWII info. Was there some special deal with Albania under Hitler? Did they escape the onslaught of the German army in some way? If so, it would lend more weight to the Grindelwald-had-ties-to-Albania theory.

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that people don't move around in real life...just that JKR tends to use names that are associated with places for certain people. Thus, Grindelwald is German to tie in with the whole Hitler thing, especially the end of WWII. Karkaroff has a name related to the probable placement of Durmstrang (northern Europe, maybe between Germany and Russia; Durmstrang is "corrupted" German, Karkaroff is a Russian name). Since Grindelwald is already tied to a German figure (Hitler; tied to Austria as well), I just don't see how he fits in with Albania [JKR said in post-HBP interviews that Grindelwald is derived from German]. Maybe I just don't know enough WWII info. Was there some special deal with Albania under Hitler? Did they escape the onslaught of the German army in some way? If so, it would lend more weight to the Grindelwald-had-ties-to-Albania theory.

Actually Albania was under Hitlers rule for a long time, Hitler had conquered Europe to almost the very edge of the sea. I understand that she is concepted to ideas of this but McGonagall is a based celtic name (Scottish and Irish) Karkaroff is a based exactly how you had it and I agree that Durmstrang is likely somewhere in the heart of where the fascist heart once reigned. But I can say this honestly that Albania is considered a dark country (AI) Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria, Bosnia, Austria, Maldova and Slovakia - All of these places once and still do herrald many tales of darkness, evil lords, werewolves, vampires and dark magic. And of these the Albania borders Greece which is the basis of many of Rowling's names she used like Albus and Lucius? I am just saying anything is possible and though the name is Germanic does not mean he was from somehwere north, Austria is close to Albania so it is possible. Albania has a very large germanic and gaelic population since the war. If that helps answer your question...

There are a couple of key things that I have noticed about the location of the horcruxes: The ring, which was Marvolo's prozed possession was found in Little Hangleton, the village where Marvolo lived. The replica of the necklace was found in the cave on the sea where Voldemort tortured the kids. The necklace is a tie to Slytherin, old magic, pure-blood mania, and Slytherin's hatred for muggles; the cave was where (to our knowledge) Voldemort first used his powers to torment muggles. The rest of the horcruxes, based on this theory should be not only somewhere important to Voldemort, but also must have a tie to the object itself. Remember that the diary was destroyed at Hogwarts, which is where it must have ended up in order to open the Chamber of Secrets.

If the necklace was truely stolen by Regulas Black, which, to our knowledge, is the best option for RAB, the necklace must be somewhere connected to the Blacks and probably unguarded.

If the cup is definitely a horcrux, chances are it is probably in Hepzibah Smith's house or Borgin and Burkes, the company that gave Voldemort the connection to Smith and her treasures.

Lately I have been working on a numbers game, though and something does not add up. According to Dumbledore there are to be 6 horcruxes plus Voldemort (the bit of soul left in him). If Voldemort created 7 total, he has already used one to return to his body, which would only leave 6 total. 1 soul was killed when the Avada Kedavra rebounded upon him when he tried to kill James and Lily. Does Harry still have to find and destroy that one as well? The diary and the ring are gone. We do not know whether the necklace was destroyed by RAB or if he found any other horcruxes and destoyed those as well.

Lately I have been working on a numbers game, though and something does not add up. According to Dumbledore there are to be 6 horcruxes plus Voldemort (the bit of soul left in him). If Voldemort created 7 total, he has already used one to return to his body, which would only leave 6 total. 1 soul was killed when the Avada Kedavra rebounded upon him when he tried to kill James and Lily. Does Harry still have to find and destroy that one as well? The diary and the ring are gone. We do not know whether the necklace was destroyed by RAB or if he found any other horcruxes and destoyed those as well.
There is no indication that Voldy had to use a Horcrux to return to human form. The soul piece in his current body was the piece from his original body, the piece that floated around Albania as "Vapormort". He used Nagini's venom and unicorn blood to sustain himself as "Uglybabymort". Prior to going to Godric's Hollow, Voldemort had made 5 horcruxes (diary, ring, locket, cup, unknown item [presumably a Ravenclaw or Gryffindor relic]). He had intended to make a 6th (and final) horcrux after killing baby Harry. This suggests that he already had a sixth item available before Godric's Hollow (but for some reason can not retrieve it to use after returning to England as Uglybabymort). Since he did not deliberately make his sixth horcrux before being vaporized, Dumbledore assumes he made the sixth horcrux using Nagini as a receptacle. (I think V probably would want to have his magical number of 7 [six objects plus himself] prepared before taking on Harry Potter again, but who knows?)

But V does now know about the destruction of the soul piece from the diary. Will he make another horcrux to replace it? Or was the magic in the number of separations? For Harry's sake, I hope it is the latter!

Um, I have to disagree with your timeline on this. Grindelwald was defeated the year Tommy finished his seventh year at Hogwarts. He would have been 18 by then (his birthday is December 31, so he would turn 18 in the middle of seventh year). I doubt he had the means to get to Albania before he finished school. And Grindelwald would have been dead less than 6 months after Tommy finished school. Not a lot of time for teaching Tommy (who went to work for Borgin & Burke right after school).
Oh no ... I agree ... I don't think Tommy boy MET GW ... I think he found his cache of books or tools or written documentation of some kind ... with which he sort of built from GW's crux.

There is no indication that Voldy had to use a Horcrux to return to human form. The soul piece in his current body was the piece from his original body, the piece that floated around Albania as "Vapormort". He used Nagini's venom and unicorn blood to sustain himself as "Uglybabymort". Prior to going to Godric's Hollow, Voldemort had made 5 horcruxes (diary, ring, locket, cup, unknown item [presumably a Ravenclaw or Gryffindor relic]). He had intended to make a 6th (and final) horcrux after killing baby Harry. This suggests that he already had a sixth item available before Godric's Hollow (but for some reason can not retrieve it to use after returning to England as Uglybabymort). Since he did not deliberately make his sixth horcrux before being vaporized, Dumbledore assumes he made the sixth horcrux using Nagini as a receptacle. (I think V probably would want to have his magical number of 7 [six objects plus himself] prepared before taking on Harry Potter again, but who knows?)

But V does now know about the destruction of the soul piece from the diary. Will he make another horcrux to replace it? Or was the magic in the number of separations? For Harry's sake, I hope it is the latter!

Good point Nicole, but I do have doubts about him making another, I truly believe he is to worried about Potter, I believe he wanted Dumbledore out of the way so the end game could begin. I believe that as of now there are five soul pieces remaining including Voldemort and I have serious doubts about Nagini.

There really haven't been a lot of hints or clues to why V would choose Albania for a hiding place. Bertha Jorkins has an aunt in Albania. Pettigrew seemed to have little difficulty in finding Vapormort in the forests of Albania, did he have more information than most DEs? Why would Vapormort flee there instead of to a place where he did have followers who could have "rescued" him?
This is a good question, the only answer I have for this is that really TR is nothing but a petty thug ... right-o he has powers ... but he's also quite like Dudley ... he's terrified of not being the most loved the most wanted and the most adored ... which is why they bully people all the time.

I think the cup is at hogwarts, then Harry will have to come back to hogwart at a point in his journey, and maybe he can talk to dumbledore's portrait. what do you think?
Do the posters really have the personality of the headmaster or is it just a sort of automated, worthless tradition? If Dumbly can talk through the poster and still remember his previous life, Harry will have a much easier time finding the horcruxes. :rotfl: or Harry will roll in poo for the first 200 pages trying to find out where they are by himself without Ron and Hermy (which will start the book off with a fight just how all the others start).

I know several people who feel that Harry will not leave the UK, and that rules out Albania, Egypt, France, and even Durmstrang as places to visit in the Horcrux hunt. (Personally, I think it would be kind of interesting for Harry to visit other lands. And while they may be long shots for horcrux locations, I think they should be considered until we have evidence to the contrary.)

In the post-HBP interviews, JKR made a comment about Harry knowing more than he thinks he does (in the context of the horcrux hunt). If Harry has had the clues, so have we. We may even know more than Harry does (since we can access JKR's website and he can't!). And there may even be subtle clues in the Comic Relief books, too. [That quintaped skeleton was a very odd thing to see in the RoR, no one goes to their island and supposedly no one has caught one. Why is it mentioned as being in a cage? If people hadn't read Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, that would just be some unexplained magical oddity.]

We know Hogwarts was a special place to Tommy, as much a home to him as it has been to Harry. How hard would it have been for Voldemort to have lured Albus away from Hogwarts (after V failed to secure the DADA job)? Would he have been able to use the pair of Vanishing Cabinets to enter the school at such a time (not much activity during the summer break)? Or maybe one of the tunnels from Hogsmeade? I can't shake the feeling that Hogwarts was too important a place in Riddle's life for him not to have figured out a way to place a horcrux there. [And it is likely to be one of the founder's items, as that would be a most appropriate connection.]

We have seen Voldemort only in connection with: Godric's Hollow, the Orphanage, the seaside cave, Albania, Hogwarts, the Riddle House, the Gaunt hovel, the Little Hangleton Graveyard, the Crouch home (indirectly), Borgin & Burkes (and we assume the rest of Knockturn Alley), Ollivander's (and we assume the rest of Diagon Alley), the Smith home, and the Ministry Atrium. [I must be missing some, the list seems too short.] I don't remember any mentions connecting Voldemort to Egypt, France or Durmstrang (except via Karkaroff, but it seems that he took the job there after his brush with Azkaban) in canon. I seriously doubt that Voldemort put a horcrux in the Atrium, and Godric's Hollow was the site of a defeat--though Voldy's mind works in strange ways, I just don't see him having the opportunity to place one there. The seaside cave and the Gaunt hovel were used (and I'd like to put the Riddle house, the Gaunt hovel and the Little Hangleton graveyard into a single place--Little Hangleton--because I don't think V would have placed his horcruxes too close together). I seriously doubt that the Crouch home had any real significance to Voldy, particularly since his vist there was well after making the horcruxes.

That leaves: Hogwarts, Albania, Ollivander's, Borgin & Burkes, the Smith home, or one of the Alleys. I think Ollivander's and Borgin & Burkes are the only shops known to have been visited by Riddle; they represent the two Alleys. And there are only two hiding places we need to find as original horcrux locations (yes, the locket has to be tracked down, too, but it has been moved). Nagini is also mobile, and likely near Voldemort.

Maybe there isn't another horcrux at Hogwarts. The diary must have been intended to be placed there (one way or another). It's rather useless for opening the Chamber anywhere else.

I don't expect a lot of agreement, but there are only a few places where the last two horcruxes could be (based on the places we know Voldy has been): Ollivander's, Borgin & Burkes, Albania, and the Smith home...and maybe there is one at Hogwarts that was meant to be more 'permanently' placed than the diary.

Think of the associations of the destroyed Horcruxes with their locations. Slytherin = water (from the 4 elements part of the MN&TLC interview) = locket surrounded by and submerged in water. Closest living wizarding relative = family home (hovel is more like it) = ring hidden in the house. [This may hold true for the Riddle home, too, but not sure which item that would be. There don't seem to be any Muggle objects used as Horcruxes other than the diary. Maybe V stashed the diary there before later giving it to a DE...]

Then we have: Ravenclaw = air = ???. Hufflepuff = earth = cup (should be in a location underground; could be buried in the soil of Albania, in the Chamber, under Hepzibah's house, in Gringott's, in the Underground, in an Egyptian tomb, etc.). Gryffindor = fire = ??? (there may not be a Gryffindor horcrux item; possible for the intended item to still be at Godric's Hollow if V took it with him the night he murdered the Potters, but it wouldn't be a Horcrux, just a Gryffindor relic). Nagini = living creature = roaming around with V. Regarding the ring, there was some speculation before that Peverell could be somehow related to Gryfendor, Seeing that Gryfendor's element is fire, and DD'a hand looked burnt, the protection on the ring might have been fire. The locket was in liquid. I agree with you that the cup I think will be in the earth, and the RR item in the air.

We know Hogwarts was a special place to Tommy, as much a home to him as it has been to Harry. How hard would it have been for Voldemort to have lured Albus away from Hogwarts (after V failed to secure the DADA job)? Would he have been able to use the pair of Vanishing Cabinets to enter the school at such a time (not much activity during the summer break)? Or maybe one of the tunnels from Hogsmeade? I can't shake the feeling that Hogwarts was too important a place in Riddle's life for him not to have figured out a way to place a horcrux there. [And it is likely to be one of the founder's items, as that would be a most appropriate connection.] I don't expect a lot of agreement, but there are only a few places where the last two horcruxes could be (based on the places we know Voldy has been): Ollivander's, Borgin & Burkes, Albania, and the Smith home...and maybe there is one at Hogwarts that was meant to be more 'permanently' placed than the diary.
Couldn't agree more!

That leaves: Hogwarts, Albania, Ollivander's, Borgin & Burkes, the Smith home, or one of the Alleys. I think Ollivander's and Borgin & Burkes are the only shops known to have been visited by Riddle; they represent the two Alleys. And there are only two hiding places we need to find as original horcrux locations (yes, the locket has to be tracked down, too, but it has been moved). Nagini is also mobile, and likely near Voldemort.

Nicole, I applaud you sincerely. You have truly put a lot of this into pure thought. But I think the Hufflepuff Cup is at Hogwarts in the Cemetery. Rowling has said that the cememtery was important and I am not sure if it was the one in book four, but that was not important in that part as much as the death eaters or Voldemorts return. So I have to believe Badger (Hufflepuff): Earth. And therefor we maybe looking for the Hufflepuff tomb or a Slytherin landmark in the cemetery. But cemetery (Laying to rest and earth) I could easily see that as being the place where the cup is hidden. The Locket has to be at 12 Grimmauld Place, I believe that Regulus is the death eater who found it and he switched it with the Black family locket. Like I said Nagini I really do not think she is a horcrux, therefor I bet that likely if Harry does go elsewhere that it will be Albania and somewhere in a Dragon's Lair. If I was writing it that would be what I would do. And I would not doubt that it was a broach, Ravenclaw was a woman. I am not sure on the last one, I have many ideas that would be great, but again I am not writing this story, though I feel I want to... LOL

Thanks, PhoenixGate. I felt I was rambling a bit too much on that last post.

Rowling has said that the cememtery was important and I am not sure if it was the one in book four, but that was not important in that part as much as the death eaters or Voldemorts return. So I have to believe Badger (Hufflepuff): Earth. And therefor we maybe looking for the Hufflepuff tomb or a Slytherin landmark in the cemetery. But cemetery (Laying to rest and earth) I could easily see that as being the place where the cup is hidden.
But the so-called cemetary at Hogwarts (can't put it in Movie 3 because it's in another place in Book 6) consists of one tomb--Albus Dumbledore's. So, while I agree that the cup is probably buried somewhere, there just isn't a "cemetary" at Hogwarts. [The earth connection is what has some thinking of Egypt and the cursed tombs there--perfect for the curses to have been added as horcurx protection, with the Cup being entombed...And no one the wiser because the ancient Egyptian wizards routinely placed curses on their tombs in the Potterverse. Plus, Egypt is well-known for seeking immortality of a sort.]

I can't deny that maybe the Little Hangleton cemetary is a potential place for burying the cup, but being a Muggle cemetary I rather doubt it contains the grave of any of the founders. It does have that large yew tree, though, and Voldy's wand is made of yew...Was V stupid enough to place two horcruxes so close together? (The Gaunt hovel isn't far from the village and its cemetary.) In his search for the horcruxes, was Dumbledore foolish enough to forego looking around the rest of Little Hangleton when he knew about the Riddle murders and the re-birthing site?

[That quintaped skeleton was a very odd thing to see in the RoR, no one goes to their island and supposedly no one has caught one. Why is it mentioned as being in a cage? If people hadn't read Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, that would just be some unexplained magical oddity.]Yay! Someone else who believes that skeleton was a Hairy MacBoon and not a mutant.

We have seen Voldemort only in connection with: Godric's Hollow, the Orphanage, the seaside cave, Albania, Hogwarts, the Riddle House, the Gaunt hovel, the Little Hangleton Graveyard, the Crouch home (indirectly), Borgin & Burkes (and we assume the rest of Knockturn Alley), Ollivander's (and we assume the rest of Diagon Alley), the Smith home, and the Ministry Atrium. [I must be missing some, the list seems too short.] I don't remember any mentions connecting Voldemort to Egypt, France or Durmstrang (except via Karkaroff, but it seems that he took the job there after his brush with Azkaban) in canon. I seriously doubt that Voldemort put a horcrux in the Atrium, and Godric's Hollow was the site of a defeat--though Voldy's mind works in strange ways, I just don't see him having the opportunity to place one there. The seaside cave and the Gaunt hovel were used (and I'd like to put the Riddle house, the Gaunt hovel and the Little Hangleton graveyard into a single place--Little Hangleton--because I don't think V would have placed his horcruxes too close together). I seriously doubt that the Crouch home had any real significance to Voldy, particularly since his vist there was well after making the horcruxes. Voldemort killed a goblin family near Nottingham in VW1...Barty Crouch's place is where Babymort and 'Tail hid during most of GoF, only abandoned it after SR. escaped---they then returned to the Riddle House...Hogsmeade was a place known to LV {Tom Riddle} and his DEs {the Hog's Head}...Depending on where Dorcas Meadowed lived---which we haven't been told, but LV killed her personally...

Madam Bones, also said to have been killed by LV, occurred in London...course, all of LVs Horcruxes were said to have been created by then, so I think this one is a moot point.

Thanks, PhoenixGate. I felt I was rambling a bit too much on that last post.


But the so-called cemetary at Hogwarts (can't put it in Movie 3 because it's in another place in Book 6) consists of one tomb--Albus Dumbledore's. So, while I agree that the cup is probably buried somewhere, there just isn't a "cemetary" at Hogwarts. [The earth connection is what has some thinking of Egypt and the cursed tombs there--perfect for the curses to have been added as horcurx protection, with the Cup being entombed...And no one the wiser because the ancient Egyptian wizards routinely placed curses on their tombs in the Potterverse. Plus, Egypt is well-known for seeking immortality of a sort.]

I can't deny that maybe the Little Hangleton cemetary is a potential place for burying the cup, but being a Muggle cemetary I rather doubt it contains the grave of any of the founders. It does have that large yew tree, though, and Voldy's wand is made of yew...Was V stupid enough to place two horcruxes so close together? (The Gaunt hovel isn't far from the village and its cemetary.) In his search for the horcruxes, was Dumbledore foolish enough to forego looking around the rest of Little Hangleton when he knew about the Riddle murders and the re-birthing site?

Nicole, there is a cemetery somewhere at or near Hogwarts and Rowling has metioned it. Dumbledore was buried on the grounds, more of a memorial then a regular tomb. I highly doubt Egypt will come into play, though I understand the reasoning. And I doubt either Hagleton will come into play except as a cross reference. However there could be a clue from one of the sorting hats songs, the one in book four where it mentions each founders area of origin: Gryffindor from Wild Moor - Wild Moor is in Southern England just north of Dartmoor. Ravenclaw from Glen - The Glen, which likely refers to the Glen located between Goyle Hill and Glensaugh in the Drumtochty Forest in Scottland. Hufflepuff from Valley Broad - Valley Broad has but one reference an area just North of Yorshire Dales, near the border. Slytherin from Fen - Fen is an area north of Cambridge, Eastern England or this could be Fen in Germany which is North of Heroldsburg Germany.

Which a Germany connection - Slytherin (Hitler) and GW? You never know...

Voldemort killed a goblin family near Nottingham in VW1...Barty Crouch's place is where Babymort and 'Tail hid during most of GoF, only abandoned it after SR. escaped---they then returned to the Riddle House...Hogsmeade was a place known to LV {Tom Riddle} and his DEs {the Hog's Head}...Depending on where Dorcas Meadowes lived---which we haven't been told, but LV killed her personally...See, I knew I had missed some places! Thanks, kingwidgit! But I will still contend that Crouch's home was visited after the horcruxes were made, and that it isn't a significant place to V. And Hogsmeade may be a great place to visit, but how much time do students really get to spend there? (Or those visiting the village for access to Hogwarts for interviews?) But the Dorcas Meadowes murder must have come before V went to Godric's Hollow; it might be a possibility that her home was somehow significant to V (say it was Order HQ at the time of her death; or she was the owner of the missing object that V turned into a horcrux with her murder, an heiress of Ravenclaw or Gryffindor). That's pretty minimal information, though, and makes an assumption we currently have no support for--that V used the homes of victims as horcrux locations.

He didn't kill Morfin, but he did use the Gaunt hovel as a hiding place. (It is fairly close to the Riddle house where Tommy did commit three murders, though.) The seaside cave...people may have been murdered there to create the Inferi guards, but they could also be corpses from elsewhere. I doubt (but have no canon to back it) that a wizard can only make Inferi from the corpses of his own personal victims. [Am I in the minority in thinking the horcrux would have been made before the protections were put in place?] The diary did make it back to a place where Tommy was (at least in part) responsible for the death of someone--Moaning Myrtle. But I will argue that Hogwarts had plenty of significance to Tommy long before her death, and would have been used (if at all possible) as a horcrux location even if no one had died.Nicole, there is a cemetery somewhere at or near Hogwarts and Rowling has metioned it. You are right, PhoenixGate. I don't know why I had it stuck in my head that the graveyard at Hogwarts was supposed to show up in Book 6. It could still be intended for Book 7. [It was a horrible let-down in HBP that Albus was not interred in an actual cemetary with whoever else has had the privilege of being buried on Hogwarts grounds (like 3 of the 4 founders, perhaps?).] Alfonso Cuaron: We needed a place where the kids could see the execution of Buckbeak, and we thought about having a graveyard. And we consulted Jo about it and she said "No, the graveyard is not there," and I said "Why?" And then she gave me the whole explanation of why the graveyard cannot be there, because it's in a different place of the castle. Because it's going to play...and she knows her thing, she knows exactly what's going to happen later. And once I remember having little people in some storyboards, playing some keyboards and an organ in the Great Hall. And Jo said "No, there are no little people in this universe." I said "Yes, it's like..." she says, "Yes, lovely image, but they don't make sense in this universe."

Jo Rowling: I was really mean; I wouldn't let him do it. That's not fair, is it?Evidently the graveyard at Hogwarts has some important role to play in Book 7, then.

However there could be a clue from one of the sorting hats songs, the one in book four where it mentions each founders area of origin:

Gryffindor from Wild Moor - Wild Moor is in Southern England just north of Dartmoor.
There are many moors in Britain: the most well-known are in northern England (Yorkshire, Lancashire, Northumberland etc) and the southwest as you mentioned. Gryffindor could be from any of those.

Ravenclaw from Glen - The Glen, which likely refers to the Glen located between Goyle Hill and Glensaugh in the Drumtochty Forest in Scottland.
Why are you singling out this glen in particular?

Hufflepuff from Valley Broad - Valley Broad has but one reference an area just North of Yorshire Dales, near the border.
Again, there are many more broad valleys in Britain than this one. Just look for wide river valleys on a map.

Slytherin from Fen - Fen is an area north of Cambridge, Eastern England or this could be Fen in Germany which is North of Heroldsburg Germany.
I think it's a fair assumption to think that Slytherin comes from Britain and is therefore likely to be from the Cambridgeshire/Norfolk sort of area.

Amulet was taken by Regulus Black but as he dies ( murdered by voldemort) he never got round to destroying it! ??maybe hidden somwhere??
Cup - orphanage ( agreeing with YSUDomino there)
Something of Ravenclaws perhaps in hogwarts somewhere after all he did have a conection there and i think thats where he got it.
Finally -Snake with Voldemort

The orginal locket in the pensive was most likely a horcrux - and there are several obvious indications that it may have been the locket found in Book 5 by Harry and gang while cleaning out the cabinet - very simular in description to the appearance of the locket that TOM's Mom had on in Book 6.

To take the theory of RAB replacing the real horcrux with a fake locket one step further ( and to either give the theory more strength or to weaken it is your call) the bigger question is HOW could Regulas have done it. Obviously the greatest wizard of all could not do it by himself - he needed Harry to make sure he kept drinking. And there are no mentions of Regulas having any friends or relationships with anyone who is still active in the book that would have helped him do this act.

My theory would be Regulas used Kreacher to aid him. Kreacher would have done as his master told him (drink a horrible drink) Kreacher would have kept his masters secret (we have heard that line alot) and Kreacher would not have told either side (Dumbledore or Voldemorte) what he knew - he would have protected the secret not because he was a supporter of either cause but because he was trained to do so. He would have protected the locket as part of his masters possesions. I think Mondungus stealing the sliver is a false direction that Harry will follow - he will at some point remember the necklace -go to the house and find it gone, then go on a search for the stolen goods, forgeting for a while about Kreacher and how he is now Kreachers master. But eventually at some point Kreacher will reveal secrets to Harry, and this may be one of them.

I don't know why I had it stuck in my head that the graveyard at Hogwarts was supposed to show up in Book 6. It could still be intended for Book 7. [It was a horrible let-down in HBP that Albus was not interred in an actual cemetary with whoever else has had the privilege of being buried on Hogwarts grounds (like 3 of the 4 founders, perhaps?).] Alfonso Cuaron: We needed a place where the kids could see the execution of Buckbeak, and we thought about having a graveyard. And we consulted Jo about it and she said "No, the graveyard is not there," and I said "Why?" And then she gave me the whole explanation of why the graveyard cannot be there, because it's in a different place of the castle. Because it's going to play...and she knows her thing, she knows exactly what's going to happen later. And once I remember having little people in some storyboards, playing some keyboards and an organ in the Great Hall. And Jo said "No, there are no little people in this universe." I said "Yes, it's like..." she says, "Yes, lovely image, but they don't make sense in this universe."

Jo Rowling: I was really mean; I wouldn't let him do it. That's not fair, is it?Evidently the graveyard at Hogwarts has some important role to play in Book 7, then.Er, I was under the impression that we saw enough of the so called graveyard already in Half-Blood Prince. Wouldn't that have been where Dumbledore was buried? It's not exactly a proper graveyard, though, since I think Dumbledore's the only one in it, so I could be wrong, but wouldn't Dumbledore have been buried where everyone else was on Hogwarts' grounds?

In any case, I don't think that a graveyard at Hogwarts would be a good location for a horcrux for the same reason that no location in Hogwarts is a good location. It's just too inaccesable to the Dark Lord, and he will surely want to be able to get to his horcrux at a moment's notice.

Er, I was under the impression that we saw enough of the so called graveyard already in Half-Blood Prince. Wouldn't that have been where Dumbledore was buried? It's not exactly a proper graveyard, though, since I think Dumbledore's the only one in it, so I could be wrong, but wouldn't Dumbledore have been buried where everyone else was on Hogwarts' grounds?

In any case, I don't think that a graveyard at Hogwarts would be a good location for a horcrux for the same reason that no location in Hogwarts is a good location. It's just too inaccesable to the Dark Lord, and he will surely want to be able to get to his horcrux at a moment's notice.

Well to answer the first part no... Dumbledore was considered something above those whom are likely buried at that cemetery. Dumbledore's tomb is more of a memorial on the grounds near the lake. That does not make it a cemetery which is strictly a few burial to several burial plots all located together over a specific piece of land. If this is not the one in book four then we are still to assume it will come into play. And the fact that we know only a little about the founders and especially nothing about where they have been laid to rest, could mean that they are buried near and that cemetery sounds even more of a possibility to come into play. Rowling has already said the cemetery there is important, but the question is, important because of book four - Voldemort's return or something we are yet to see? I believe it will be in book seven.

But I will still contend that Crouch's home was visited after the horcruxes were made, and that it isn't a significant place to V. And Hogsmeade may be a great place to visit, but how much time do students really get to spend there? (Or those visiting the village for access to Hogwarts for interviews?) But the Dorcas Meadowes murder must have come before V went to Godric's Hollow; it might be a possibility that her home was somehow significant to V (say it was Order HQ at the time of her death; or she was the owner of the missing object that V turned into a horcrux with her murder, an heiress of Ravenclaw or Gryffindor). That's pretty minimal information, though, and makes an assumption we currently have no support for--that V used the homes of victims as horcrux locations.Actually, I don't think LV made Nagini a Horcrux until after he failed to kill Harry in the cemetery...but that said, I don't think the Crouch home is significant at all.

As for Hogsmeade, it's important for several reasons...it's entirely a non-muggle community---the only one in Britain; DD tells us that LV traveled the world & 'consorted with the very worst of our kind'---hags, ogres, goblins---they can't be seen in muggle areas {supposedly}....the inn---Hog's Head Inn---is the site of the 1612 goblin rebellion {we still don't know who's side the goblins are on}---not to mention the secret passages that apparently link Hogwarts to Hogsmeade...the inn, being the place where the prophecy was overheard so long ago....it apparently is operated by a surly barman who just happens to be DDs brother.

The murder of Dorcas Meadowes I think will be significant....LV normally has his DEs perform his dirty work...this one we're told he did himself, and yes it was before he became Vapormort...perhaps he made a Horcrux from her death...

The murder of Dorcas Meadowes I think will be significant....LV normally has his DEs perform his dirty work...this one we're told he did himself, and yes it was before he became Vapormort...perhaps he made a Horcrux from her death...Could she have been the link to the Ravenclaw relic?

I think there's at least 1 horcrux in Hogwarts. V was so determined to come back to Hoqwarts, I doubt he would have given up that thought just because Dumbledore told him he didn't want him to come back.
Now, where in Hogwarts is this horcux?
I think there's a lot more to Hogwarts than we know.There mus be a graveyard.We know that from his interview w/ JKR in POA.
But what exactly does Alfonso mean? That Buckbeak's execution was in a "different place of he castle", or that the graveyard is in a "different place of the castle"?(Go watch it if you have the DVD, it's sort of hard to understand if you haven't watched it.)
Even DD said he "woulnt dream of knowing all of Hogwart's secrets". Furthermore, it was DD's wish to be buried in Hogwarts and although McGonagall says no headmaster or headmistress has ever been burried in Hogwarts, it doesn't mean that no one was ever burried there. Could the 4 founders be burried inside the castle?Is it possible for V to have found this place and hidden his horcruxes there?
If such a place does exist, why isn't it on the Maurauder's Map? That's explained in book 6 , The Unknowable Room(p.424 in Uk edition): "maybe the maurauders didn't know of the place, or it's part of the magic, if it has to be unplottable it will be".

Could she have been the link to the Ravenclaw relic?Actually, yes, I think that's very probable...

We know that LV had made his four Horcruxes....diary, ring, locket, cup....DD told us Nagini is the last one, meaning she's Horcrux #6...that just leaves this one murder known to have been personally committed by LV before his downfall {VW1}, of Dorcas Meadowes, and we are oh so casually told of it in OoP by Mad Eye...

I think the place where she lived and possible died will be very important to locating the Ravenclaw artifact.

ive got a theory on how harry will find ALL the remaining horcruxes and where they are as well!!

my theory is that he will go to hogwarts and look at a certain mirror called the mirror of erised!! wot u fink email me at mightymidget999@hotmail.com

my theory is that he will go to hogwarts and look at a certain mirror called the mirror of erised!!
Wow that pretty smart..i never thought of that before, but i thought that dumbledore destroyed the mirror after harry defeated voldermort.

ive got a theory on how harry will find ALL the remaining horcruxes and where they are as well!!

my theory is that he will go to hogwarts and look at a certain mirror called the mirror of erised!! wot u fink email me at mightymidget999@hotmail.commightymidget7, JK has told us what Harry would see, were he to look into the Mirror of Erised....it wouldn't be Horcruxes or their locations, according to JK:MA: If Harry was to look in the Mirror of Erised at the end of book six, what would he see?
JKR: He would have to see Voldemort finished, dead gone, wouldn't he?So you see, the Mirror won't be helpful in locating a Horcrux.

mightymidget7, JK has told us what Harry would see, were he to look into the Mirror of Erised....it wouldn't be Horcruxes or their locations, according to JK:MA: If Harry was to look in the Mirror of Erised at the end of book six, what would he see?
JKR: He would have to see Voldemort finished, dead gone, wouldn't he?So you see, the Mirror won't be helpful in locating a Horcrux.

What a person sees in the Mirror can change over time, though. In Book 1, Harry went from seeing his parents the first time he looked into it to seeing himself getting the Stone at the end. While Harry would see dead Voldemort as of the end of Book 6, I imagine that might change in Book 7 if he has significant trouble finding and/or destroying one or more of the Horcruxes. The Mirror could potentially be quite useful to Harry.

What a person sees in the Mirror can change over time, though. In Book 1, Harry went from seeing his parents the first time he looked into it to seeing himself getting the Stone at the end. While Harry would see dead Voldemort as of the end of Book 6, I imagine that might change in Book 7 if he has significant trouble finding and/or destroying one or more of the Horcruxes. The Mirror could potentially be quite useful to Harry.

I believe that is very true. The fact of the mirror showing your hearts desire, I believe would change in Harry's eyes. I understand the Voldemort finished idea, but if he thought and wished to know what the last horcrux was or where one was located, it would show it to him. It shows your hearts deepest desires and those lead to the way to get closer to what he really wants... A toe tag on VoldeWART!

What a person sees in the Mirror can change over time, though. In Book 1, Harry went from seeing his parents the first time he looked into it to seeing himself getting the Stone at the end. While Harry would see dead Voldemort as of the end of Book 6, I imagine that might change in Book 7 if he has significant trouble finding and/or destroying one or more of the Horcruxes. The Mirror could potentially be quite useful to Harry.While agree that what Harry sees in the Mirror changed in book one, I don't agree the Mirror will be of help to locating Horcruxes...the only reason the Mirror helped Harry at the end of PS/SS is because of specific enchantments that DD had placed upon the mirror and the stone..."It was one of my more brilliant ideas, and between you and me, that's saying something. You see, only one who wanted to find the Stone --- find it, but not use it --- would be able to get it, otherwise they'd just see themselves making gold or drinking Elixir of Life. My brain surprises even me sometimes....."So, unless Voldemort specifically enchanted the Mirror to show the locales of his Horcruxes {as if :rolleyes: }, which would be remarkable because in book 1, Quirrellmort apparently had no idea what that Mirror did...And then there is the interview, where JK tells us Harry would see LV finished--dead--gone....which means no Horcrux need finding, because Harry would have seen that he'd already achieved what he most wants, stopping LV...

I'm curious about the Room of Requirement, though...Harry thought he needed a whistle, and one magically appeared....I wonder what else would appear if he went in that room and thought about what he needed?

I'm curious about the Room of Requirement, though...Harry thought he needed a whistle, and one magically appeared....I wonder what else would appear if he went in that room and thought about what he needed?Are you suggesting that Harry would think about needing an horcrux to destroy, and one would magically appear? I don't think that's what you're really saying, but perhaps some help on destroying one, eh what? So he needs to destroy the cup, let's say. Well, will he think about it in the Room of Requirement, and magically, something appears that will help him destroy the cup. I don't really like the idea. I mean, a whistle is a common things, as are pillows and books and other things that Harry used. Doesn't it specifically mention that the sneak-o-scopes which they see are the same ones that Crouch Jr disabled in Goblet of Fire? So maybe the room only has the power to conjure up items that are just lying around the castle. Anything that was protected just by thought would surely not land there even if Harry wanted it badly enough.

While agree that what Harry sees in the Mirror changed in book one, I don't agree the Mirror will be of help to locating Horcruxes...the only reason the Mirror helped Harry at the end of PS/SS is because of specific enchantments that DD had placed upon the mirror and the stone..."It was one of my more brilliant ideas, and between you and me, that's saying something. You see, only one who wanted to find the Stone --- find it, but not use it --- would be able to get it, otherwise they'd just see themselves making gold or drinking Elixir of Life. My brain surprises even me sometimes....."So, unless Voldemort specifically enchanted the Mirror to show the locales of his Horcruxes {as if :rolleyes: }, which would be remarkable because in book 1, Quirrellmort apparently had no idea what that Mirror did...And then there is the interview, where JK tells us Harry would see LV finished--dead--gone....which means no Horcrux need finding, because Harry would have seen that he'd already achieved what he most wants, stopping LV...

I'm not suggesting that Harry would see himself finding a Horcrux and it would simultaneously fall into his pocket such as what happened with the Stone and Dumbledore's special enchantments...but if he became so frustrated about finding a Horcrux that it became his "deepest desire" to find it, I imagine he may be able to see the location of the Horcrux in the mirror, and then go and get it.

I'm not suggesting that Harry would see himself finding a Horcrux and it would simultaneously fall into his pocket such as what happened with the Stone and Dumbledore's special enchantments...but if he became so frustrated about finding a Horcrux that it became his "deepest desire" to find it, I imagine he may be able to see the location of the Horcrux in the mirror, and then go and get it.

I think that's essentially the same thing, though - the only difference being the Horcrux won't slip into his pocket.

I think the Mirror has served its purpose. Have we even heard about the Mirror since the first book?

I think that's essentially the same thing, though - the only difference being the Horcrux won't slip into his pocket.

I think the Mirror has served its purpose. Have we even heard about the Mirror since the first book?Nope. But there's another mirror that we've only heard about briefly in OotP, and I have a hunch that that one will help Harry find the Horcruxes.

As far as I can tell Voldemort hides his Horcruxes in places that have played a significant role in his life:
-He hid the locket in The Cave where he tortured kids.
-He hid the ring in the house where his mother grew up.
-Well, if the Diary was intended to go to Hogwarts, it wasn't supposed to go there until Voldemort gave the word so, one Horcrux might still be at Hogwarts.
-Nagini (assuming she really is a Horcrux) rarely leaves Voldemort's sight, so if anyone tried to destroy her he would....destroy them. haha
-I guess one Horcrux could be at Hogwarts for the fact that the diary was never intended to go there.
-I think one might also be inside of Borgin and Burkes since Voldemort went to work there after school and came across many of the items he turned into Horcruxes.
-He might have even left one in the orphanage (preferably in the room he stayed in, possibly even in the wardrobe Dumbledore made catch on fire, if it is still there for that was the first time Tom saw magic and learned he was a wizard).

And if I'm correct (which is a rarity), Harry knows where the Horcruxes are (even though he doesn't know this yet) he just doesn't know what they are.

-I guess one Horcrux could be at Hogwarts for the fact that the diary was never intended to go there.
Actually the Diary was intended to go to Hogwarts, just not at the time that it did.

I think that's essentially the same thing, though - the only difference being the Horcrux won't slip into his pocket.

I think that's a pretty big difference...the Mirror can show a person his deepest desire. If Harry's deepest desire is to find a Horcrux, the Mirror WILL show Harry finding the Horcrux. Seeing himself finding the Horcrux could potentially help him to actually find it. I don't think this would be any different from how Harry saw his parents in the mirror the first time he looked into it. Something like the Mirror of Erised can't be overused in the plot, but I think it can be brought back again for the purpose of helping Harry find the Horcruxes, even though we haven't seen it since Book 1.

Ithink these are the locations of the Horcruxes(my opinion):
Cup:Trophy Room,Hogwarts.
Locket:No. 12 ,Grimmald Place
Nagini:With Voldemort

The sixth Horcrux I think is:
Griffindor's Sword:Headmaster''s Office.

Why the sword?Because of this:
For a second, Harry was on the verge of shouting a pointless warning: he was sure Voldemort's hand had twitched towards his pocket and wand;but then the moment had passed, Voldemort had turned away, the door was closing and he was gone.
HBP, page 417

In that bit did Voldy use a non-verbal spell to turn the sword(in the hat) into a horcrux?
Is that why he came asking for a job in the first place?
And on the way back, did he put the cup in the trophy room?
Only Jo knows...

there's no way voldemort could've known about the sword, because not even dd knew about it and it was well hidden in the hat. only a gryffindor could've pulled it out and i'm sure voldemort would've made it possible for him to get hold of it if he had made a horcrux out of the sword.

i'm sure the locket is in grimmauld place though and i'm wondering if the cup ins't burried somewhere near godric's hollow, sort of the last place harry would think of-theorie... i mean, voldemort expected to go victorious out of his fight with the potters, so why not make this the place to hide his horcux? i know it's really far-fetched, but i'm sure harry will find something of importance there.

i'm sure the locket is in grimmauld place
I wish I had your confidence! Are you sure Mundungus didn't appropriate it?i'm wondering if the cup ins't burried somewhere near godric's hollow, sort of the last place harry would think of-theorie... i mean, voldemort expected to go victorious out of his fight with the potters, so why not make this the place to hide his horcux?
So, the cup was moved from wherever Voldemort had hidden it before? Why would he do that? The cup was most likely a horcrux long before V went to Godric's Hollow--why would V wait so long to protect it? Was it unprotected while he was Vapormort (and the umpteen years prior)? Maybe if Nagini is not a horcrux, but some object was made one instead, that item may be at Godric's Hollow (though I have trouble believing that Voldy would want any of his horcruxes located at a site where he was so ignominously defeated...).

I think the significant protection surrounding the cup will be something poisonous. Here's my reasoning:


The diary was 'protected' by the basilisk: it was the basilisk that was used for Myrtle's murder.
The ring was protected by a 'nasty' curse: it was a curse that was used to murder the Riddles.
The locket was originally protected by a potion: Hepzibah Smith was poisoned.

Therefore, the cup might well be protected by another sort of poison. I don't think it necessarily has to be a potion - it could be a poisonous plant (venomous tentacula anyone?), which would have more of a Hufflepuff connection.

I think the significant protection surrounding the cup will be something poisonous. Here's my reasoning:


The diary was 'protected' by the basilisk: it was the basilisk that was used for Myrtle's murder.
The ring was protected by a 'nasty' curse: it was a curse that was used to murder the Riddles.
The locket was originally protected by a potion: Hepzibah Smith was poisoned.

Therefore, the cup might well be protected by another sort of poison. I don't think it necessarily has to be a potion - it could be a poisonous plant (venomous tentacula anyone?), which would have more of a Hufflepuff connection.
ohhhh excellent position ... I like this little theory alot

Ohhh, good point, I hadn't even thought of that!

I've just remembered that the twins bought some venomous tentacula seeds from Mundungus Fletcher for their Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes product-making. Hmm, the plot thickens...

I think the significant protection surrounding the cup will be something poisonous. Here's my reasoning:


The diary was 'protected' by the basilisk: it was the basilisk that was used for Myrtle's murder.
The ring was protected by a 'nasty' curse: it was a curse that was used to murder the Riddles.
The locket was originally protected by a potion: Hepzibah Smith was poisoned.

Therefore, the cup might well be protected by another sort of poison. I don't think it necessarily has to be a potion - it could be a poisonous plant (venomous tentacula anyone?), which would have more of a Hufflepuff connection.


I agree with this theory. :tu: One of the main reasons I agree with this theory is because of what DD said in HBP (not sure exactly what page). He told Harry that the main reason for them needing to discover the past of Tom Riddle was because it lead them to the horcruxes. For instance, something had happened in that cave between him and those two other orphans, thats where DD and Harry found the fake locket. I believe that Voldemort, for all his tough guy act has a soft side for historical artifacts. You read about the lengths that he went to to procure the Cup from the lady he visited.

I'm not sure if I agree totally with the theory that Harry will even find anything at Godrics Hollow. I'm sure that he will find SOMETHING, but I'm not sure if it will be something that is entirely important. I do believe that Voldemort considered killing Harry as his insurance that he would be immortal. I believe that after he finished the job he had planned to make his last horcrux, #7. However, as we know his plan back fired, but whose to say that he didn't make another one when he returned to his Full strength?

1. The real locket is in Kreacher’s bedroom. When everyone was cleaning out Number 12 Grimmauld Place they found a music box that mesmerized them until Ginny closed it. In the same paragraph it was also mentioned that they found a locket that none of them could open. At Christmas Harry takes a present to Kreacher’s bedroom and finds a picture of Bellatrix and also notices some shiny objects. The locket is among the shiny objects. They will suspect Mundungus Fletcher. But in the end they will find it in Kreacher’s Bedroom.
2. Najini is not a Horcrux. First of all Dumbeldore admits that being a much more cleaver man his mistakes tend to be correspondingly much larger. When Harry’s and Volddemort’s wands connected in The Goblet of Fire the priori incantatem that manifestsed did not show any spell before Frank Brice came out that suggests that a horcrux was made. Voldemort could not have had anyone else make the horcrux so Najini is not a horcrux.
3. The Ravenclaw horcrux is a tiara. When Harry hides his potions book in the room of requirement he hides it in a cabinet. He then puts a statue on top with a wig and a tarnished tiara to mark its location. Notice that it is a tarnished tiara not broken or cracked just tarnished. A thousand year old tiara would be tarnished. In the Goblet of Fire the sorting hat says “Fair Ravenclaw from Glen”. Fair in this sense means blond. Fleur Delacour is blond. At he end of The Half Blood Prince Mrs. Weasley and Fleur accept each other. Mrs. Weasley says that Fleur can wear great Aunt Muriel’s tiara for the wedding. Percy will be there with his girlfriend Penelope Clearwater a Ravenclaw girl. She will comment how lovely Fleur looks and that she looks just like Rowena Ravenclaw in that tiara.
4. The last Horcrux is the sorting hat. The sorting hat belonged to Gryffindor. The sorting hat in The Goblet of Fire says “Twas Gryffindor who found a way. He whipped me off his head the founders put some brains in me so I could chose instead.” It may be a horcrux now or Voldemort was saving it for when he killed Harry. Either way the sorting hat is a horcrux. It is the only Gryffindor artifact that Voldemort may have been able to get his hands on when he was head boy. He killed the Riddles before he left school. Another clue to the sorting hat being a Horcrux is that the Horcruxs move up the body. The book is held by the hand. The ring is on the hand. The locket is on the neck. The Huffelpuff Horcrux is Helga Huffelpuff’s goblet. So that is on the mouth. The tiara is on the head. And the sorting hat is on top. In the first book the sorting hat says, “You can keep your bowlers round and black, your top hats sleek and talk for I’m the Hogwarts sorting hat and I can cap them all”. The sorting hat is probably the most powerful of the Horcruxs because it has bits from all four founders in it.
5. Oh yeah one last thing Dumbeldore is not dead. All potion ever mentioned are eventually used except for the draught of living death. And the Avada Kedvara curse makes everyone drop dead in one place not thrown like Dumbeldore was.

5. Oh yeah one last thing Dumbeldore is not dead. All potion ever mentioned are eventually used except for the draught of living death. And the Avada Kedvara curse makes everyone drop dead in one place not thrown like Dumbeldore was.

i hope dumbledore isn't dead :(

5. Oh yeah one last thing Dumbeldore is not dead. All potion ever mentioned are eventually used except for the draught of living death. And the Avada Kedvara curse makes everyone drop dead in one place not thrown like Dumbeldore was.
'Impedimenta' doesn't throw people when most people use it, but when Harry used it in the battle in Hogwarts (a DE fighting with Ginny), the DE was thrown hard against a wall and knocked out. It seems particularly powerful wizards casting curses which otherwise do not have this effect actually throw people they hit.

Of course when LV used AK on his father and grandparents they just flopped over dead - so maybe he's not so much powerful as very well-versed, totally single-minded, clever, and ruthless.

'Impedimenta' doesn't throw people when most people use it, but when Harry used it in the battle in Hogwarts (a DE fighting with Ginny), the DE was thrown hard against a wall and knocked out. It seems particularly powerful wizards casting curses which otherwise do not have this effect actually throw people they hit.

Of course when LV used AK on his father and grandparents they just flopped over dead - so maybe he's not so much powerful as very well-versed, totally single-minded, clever, and ruthless.
This is true ... Harry casts "emotional" spells, yet LV doesn't really get all that emotional about killing people ... he gets "MAD" if something he wants doesn't work out ... but that's about it. I think that when SS cast the killing curse on DD (and yes folks DD is dead), that he was also more emotional than normal ... sad, hurt, angry ... maybe at DD ... maybe because he's forced to help Potter ... who knows. In anycase, this really belongs in a "Snape" Thread. So ... for the location. Yes I think Nagini is a Horcrux ... We haven't seen before what happens when brother wands are forced to duel ... so comparing that to some other wand making priori incantatem really isn't conclusive canon for this effect. Therefor, we can't know that the Horcrux spell would have come out ... maybe it's a potion ... and not a spell at all ... we don't know much about that.
So nagini is with LV.

Welcome to the board LouisK! :)

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3. The Ravenclaw horcrux is a tiara. When Harry hides his potions book in the room of requirement he hides it in a cabinet. He then puts a statue on top with a wig and a tarnished tiara to mark its location. Notice that it is a tarnished tiara not broken or cracked just tarnished. A thousand year old tiara would be tarnished. In the Goblet of Fire the sorting hat says “Fair Ravenclaw from Glen”. Fair in this sense means blond. Fleur Delacour is blond. At he end of The Half Blood Prince Mrs. Weasley and Fleur accept each other. Mrs. Weasley says that Fleur can wear great Aunt Muriel’s tiara for the wedding. Percy will be there with his girlfriend Penelope Clearwater a Ravenclaw girl. She will comment how lovely Fleur looks and that she looks just like Rowena Ravenclaw in that tiara.

I agree about the locket, but there is no evidence for any of this. You have made some huge leaps here! "Fair" meant beautiful, handsome long before it referred to colouring, and in poetic language is likely to still mean that.

How would Penelope Clearwater know what Rowena looked like?

There is no reason to link the tiara in the RoR with the Weasley tiara.

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4. The last Horcrux is the sorting hat. The sorting hat belonged to Gryffindor. The sorting hat in The Goblet of Fire says “Twas Gryffindor who found a way. He whipped me off his head the founders put some brains in me so I could chose instead.” It may be a horcrux now or Voldemort was saving it for when he killed Harry. Either way the sorting hat is a horcrux.

Where is your evidence that the hat is a horcrux? How would Tom get hold of it when he was at school? It lives in the Head's office. Are you suggesting he was allowed into the Head's office, committed a murder which no-one noticed and JKR hasn't told us about, and then put the part of soul in the Hat? And then left it there? This makes no sense!

What about the Veil in which Sirius died? Couldn't that have something to do with the Horcruxes, although Voldemort did make the Horcruxes himself.

And what's with the Dead Horses in - was it OoTP - and only someone who's seen someone die can see them? Might this have something to do with it? I dunno. I still need to get the dang books. ;)

Okay ... i'm in the process of piece-mealing together some speculation into a theory ... Okay ... so while LV is hoarding his followers and he's hiding his horcruxes and trying to find a, and basically creating madness and meyham ... he gets clued into the "Prophecy" and thinks "oh no, all my hard work ... and some talentless CHILD is going to bring it down.... I don't THINK SO". So prior to making his sixth Horcrux, he thinks ... I gotta take this kid out, then i'll finish my plan and be "muahahahaha" supreme and evil ruler of the world!!!!


Yes, absolutely :tu:

Where is your evidence that the hat is a horcrux? How would Tom get hold of it when he was at school? It lives in the Head's office. Are you suggesting he was allowed into the Head's office, committed a murder which no-one noticed and JKR hasn't told us about, and then put the part of soul in the Hat? And then left it there? This makes no sense!

I agree with you, and also didnt Slughorn or someone warn LV about creating a horcrux from something that can think by itself. What is to stop the Sorting Hat from blurting out, "Im a horcrux of LVs!"

I think the significant protection surrounding the cup will be something poisonous. Here's my reasoning:


The diary was 'protected' by the basilisk: it was the basilisk that was used for Myrtle's murder.
The ring was protected by a 'nasty' curse: it was a curse that was used to murder the Riddles.
The locket was originally protected by a potion: Hepzibah Smith was poisoned.

Therefore, the cup might well be protected by another sort of poison. I don't think it necessarily has to be a potion - it could be a poisonous plant (venomous tentacula anyone?), which would have more of a Hufflepuff connection.

Excellent!

Ring - Peverell - Gryffindor - fire - burnt hand
Locket - green potion - liquid - poison - Slytherin
Cup - poison - drank poison? - Hufflepuff - plant - buried.
Ravenclaw - charmed? - air - flying...

Well just speculating, but excellent post!

Before this thread gets shut down, the title is "Tracking Down the Remaining Horcruxes". This thread is for the purpose of WHERE the Horcruxes may be hidden, not WHAT they possibly are.

If you'd like to speculate on WHAT the Horcruxes could be, please do so at Identifying the Remaining Horcruxes (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=72110).

BACK ON TOPIC, PLEASE.

I think we will see some foreign travel in Book 7 because that's what people like to do at that age, see a bit of the world. Also, there was no real reason to introduce Durmstrang & Beauxbatons & the wider world in GOF if there was going to be no reciprocal foreign travel toward the end.

But an all England (or UK) theme is not impossible. I keep coming back to Dursley's Demented Journey in Book 1.

They drove, and they drove. Even Aunt Petunia didn't dare ask where they were going...Railview Hotel, Cokeworth...."Wouldn't it be better just to go home, dear?" Aunt Petunia suggested timidly, hours later, but Uncle Vernon didn't seem to hear her. Exactly what he was looking for, none of them knew, he drove them into the middle of a forest, got out, looked around, shook his head, got back in the car and off they went again. The same thing happened in the middle of a plowed field, halfway across a suspension bridge, and at the top of a multi-level parking garage. "Daddy's gone mad, hasn't he? Dudley asked Aunt Petunia dully..Uncle Vernon had parked at the coast.

suspension bridge = Brockdale Bridge - destroyed in prequel to HPB
parking garage = built on ruins of Harry's old house in Godric's Hollow? (why he'll have to travel in time to see it?)
forest = Glen? Ravenclaw? Hippogriff? Nest in air?
field = Valley Broad? Dorcas Meadows? Hufflepuff?
the coast = the cave?
& ultimately the island in the sea = Azkaban Prison?

forest = Glen? Ravenclaw? Hippogriff? Nest in air?

I know this is specualtion, but you may need to change part of this list. According to Fantastic Beasts & Where To Find Them, a hippogriff builds its nest upon the ground.

You could include it in the list if you refer to the hippogriff being the part that symbolizes air, or change it to something else that creates a nest in the air, but both can't be an option.

eta: not sure if you were listing them together or not. They are both possibilities...just not together. I didn't want it to be confusing.

suspension bridge = Brockdale Bridge - destroyed in prequel to HPB
parking garage = built on ruins of Harry's old house in Godric's Hollow? (why he'll have to travel in time to see it?)Aren't there a lot of carparks and bridges in the UK? I don't think anyone needs time travel to know that fact.

And do we have any canon that GH has been paved over?

No, but generally one builds on ruins.

And there's nothing more anti-climactic than finding a parking garage where one's house used to be. Harry will have to go back in time to see his parents house, as it is no more...

We'll see. Ambiguity and canon are the yin & yang of the Harry Potter books.

A village would be a strange place to build a multi-storey car park, unless it's undergone a lot of urban development in 10 years. I am suspicious about that paragraph in PS though, especially as Vernon seemed to be 'looking for something'.

I am suspicious about that paragraph in PS though, especially as Vernon seemed to be 'looking for something'.
Well, he's not looking for horcruxes, is he? He's just looking for what he thinks would be a good place to hide from the wizarding world (and he doesn't succeed).Harry will have to go back in time to see his parents house, as it is no more...:wow: :no: Sorry, can't agree with that assessment. 1) We have seen no device that would take someone back that far in time (approaching 16 years at this point) other than via memory. 2) There is no evidence that the Potter home in Godric's Hollow no longer exists (note that the home Slughorn was using was also described as destroyed, but the roof didn't collapse and nothing was on fire. Magical duels have been shown to cause plenty of damage to the surroundings, so the "destruction" of the Potter home is likely the result of the duel between Voldemort and James.) 3) If there were some way to go back in time, we would have to wait for Harry to catch back up with himself (ie, he would have to hide from himself for 16 years before the story could continue) as we have seen no way to get back to reality other than to re-live the time chunk.
I'm sorry, I just don't see how time-travel would work in this scenario. Yes, we want to find out just exactly what happened at Godric's Hollow that night, but it will have to come some other way.
And do we have any canon that GH has been paved over?Not that I know of. It's a mystery how Harry knows the name of the place at all! (He's never asked and no one has told him. Maybe he's better at Divination than he thinks! :lol: )

Personally, I don't see V placing any of his horcruxes at Godric's Hollow. Since Albus suspects V was going to make the sixth (and final) horcrux by tearing his soul with Harry's murder, there may be an unusual object to be found at GH--if V took the object with him that night. But it will be "empty" because he never had a chance to complete the horcrux-making magic (whatever that may be). I do hope Harry will find some kind of clue to a horcrux location when he visits GH....

No, but generally one builds on ruins.

Well, that's certainly true for strategically well placed (big) cities like Troy, but in gerneral I don't think one goes about building upon any ruin one finds, there usually has to be some reason for doing so.

Nevertheless, didn't Jo also state, that the Time-Turner times were definitely over? ;)

Ok, so where are the remaining Horcruxes?
I really like the idea of the Cup being in Hogwarts's Trophy Room - but I don't know if that wouldn't really be too simple.
I imagine, he has guarded all his Horcruxes (perhaps apart from Nagini - and the Diary, which was supposedly safe enough in Lucius's care) quite elaborately - therefore I don't think Godric's Hollow to be a likely hiding place since he wouldn't have had time to hide anything...

So, I try to sum up:
- Cup in Hogwarts: would be great, don't know how probable though
- Cup / Ravenclaw / Gryffindor in the Room of Requirement: equally "obvious" like the Trophy Room, but a little more magical - more probable imho.
- Founder items hidden in respective "Element": fascinating idea, but that would open such vast possibilities that I don't see Harry successfully narrowing them down whithout a really great old Library and Hermione

- Nagini: at Lord Voldemort's (personally I'm pretty sure about that, but wouldn't put it past Jo to have led us unto a very red and fishy road there... ;) )

In general, I will reread and try to keep my eyes open for places that are connected to Elements, interesting facts (Founders) or Magic...

A lot of people have made good theories on where the Horcruxes might be, but I have one question: How would you destroy a Horcrux?

This question never was explained. Surely you have to do something else then muttering a spell. You most likely have to break a curse or something. I mean, having a Horcrux would be pointless if someone can just blast into a million pieces and then the bit of soul inside of it is destroyed as well as the object. Horcruxes haven't really been explained in depth. I guess it is safe to say that you have to break a curse to destroy the Horcrux because of what Dumbledore's hand looked like. But then again maybe his hand ended up like that when he was trying to get the Ring. Yeah, thats what it is his hand turned that way because of a curse protecting the Horcrux.

So, are Horcruxes cursed just like the protection that surronds them? Or, are Horcruxes simply destroyed by a spell like "Reducto?"

Aren't there a lot of carparks and bridges in the UK? I don't think anyone needs time travel to know that fact.

And do we have any canon that GH has been paved over?

Who said that all of Godric's Hollow was destroyed in Lord Voldemort's attack? I was under the impression that only the Potter's house was destroyed, and the rest of the villiage was fine. But, then again, I might be wrong.

Correct me if I'm wrong but who in their right mind would pave over one house in order to make "The World's Smallest Car Park!" although, it would make a pretty sweet tourist attraction :p

A lot of people have made good theories on where the Horcruxes might be, but I have one question: How would you destroy a Horcrux?

This question never was explained. Surely you have to do something else then muttering a spell. You most likely have to break a curse or something. I mean, having a Horcrux would be pointless if someone can just blast into a million pieces and then the bit of soul inside of it is destroyed as well as the object. Horcruxes haven't really been explained in depth. I guess it is safe to say that you have to break a curse to destroy the Horcrux because of what Dumbledore's hand looked like. But then again maybe his hand ended up like that when he was trying to get the Ring. Yeah, thats what it is his hand turned that way because of a curse protecting the Horcrux.

So, are Horcruxes cursed just like the protection that surronds them? Or, are Horcruxes simply destroyed by a spell like "Reducto?"



Who said that all of Godric's Hollow was destroyed in Lord Voldemort's attack? I was under the impression that only the Potter's house was destroyed, and the rest of the villiage was fine. But, then again, I might be wrong.

Correct me if I'm wrong but who in their right mind would pave over one house in order to make "The World's Smallest Car Park!" although, it would make a pretty sweet tourist attraction :pUm, I was questioning a post that suggested it was turned into a carpark. I never thought it was.

Um, I was questioning a post that suggested it was turned into a carpark. I never thought it was.

I know you were saying that you were doubting the fact that Godric's Hollow was paved over, I was just implying how absurd of an idea it was, it wasn't addressed to you. It was addressed to the person you were talking about.

Do you have any idea on how to destroy a Horcrux?

OK. I wasn't sure since I thought it was a rather unusual suggestion, myself.

There is no evidence that the Potter home in Godric's Hollow no longer exists (note that the home Slughorn was using was also described as destroyed, but the roof didn't collapse and nothing was on fire. Magical duels have been shown to cause plenty of damage to the surroundings, so the "destruction" of the Potter home is likely the result of the duel between Voldemort and James.)

Who said that all of Godric's Hollow was destroyed in Lord Voldemort's attack? I was under the impression that only the Potter's house was destroyed, and the rest of the village was fine. But, then again, I might be wrong.



Destroyed is a very popular word in the series.



PS/SS Hagrid says “No, sir – house was almost destroyed…”

In OotP Dumbledore says "…there are other ways of destroying a man, Tom" and separately "By all means continue destroying my possessions. I daresay I have too many”

Plus in HBP Dd describes both the Diary and the Ring as being destroyed – “You are forgetting…you have already destroyed one of them. And I have destroyed another”

I wonder if there is a clue there?

Destroyed is a common word in the English language. Not every little thing is foreshadowing. And not every word is tied back to some greatere significance.

Destroyed is a common word in the English language. Not every little thing is foreshadowing. And not every word is tied back to some greatere significance.True, but don't you think they are tied together? JKR could have said that there are other ways of ruining a man, hurting a man, killing a man - but she doesn't. Anyway, have been out of ideas for a while about new Horcrux locations, so I thought I'd try a new theme, things that have been destroyed.

JKR has certain phrases and words she likes to use. Destroy is more dramatic than some words.

JKR has certain phrases and words she likes to use. Destroy is more dramatic than some words.True. Again - just trying a new theme. :)

Sure, I can appreciate that, but I think that historical linkages are the best. DD led Harry through LV's past so Harry would learn to think like LV. The places where we found horcruxes so far had signifcance to LV, but they weren't destroyed.

Do you have any idea on how to destroy a Horcrux?
I always use a basilisk fang, that is, if I have one available.

I always use a basilisk fang, that is, if I have one available.

Good one!! :rotfl:

Here's another thought, we all agree that Voldemort's self is the seventh piece of his soul. Well I think it was already destroyed the day he tried to kill Harry and the Avada Kedavra spell ricoshied back on himself. He was left without a body but did not die because of the remaining horacruxes.

So three down, four to go!
yours in fun
Seawhitelady

Here's another thought, we all agree that Voldemort's self is the seventh piece of his soul. Well I think it was already destroyed the day he tried to kill Harry and the Avada Kedavra spell ricoshied back on himself. He was left without a body but did not die because of the remaining horacruxes.

So three down, four to go!
yours in fun
SeawhiteladySorry, seawhitelady, that bit of soul is what we fans commonly refer to as Vapormort, and it's never been a Horcrux---it's also the soul piece that must be attacked last, after all LVs Horcruxes have been found and destroyed. DD clearly tells us:"But firstly, no, Harry, not seven Horcruxes: six. The seventh part of his soul, however maimed, resides inside his regenerated body. That was the part of him that lived a spectral existence for so many years during his exile; without that, he has no sense of self. That seventh piece of soul will be the last that anybody wishing to kill Voldemort must attack---the piece that lives within his body.So, back to tracking Horcruxes...I still think Nagini is with Wormtail...I think the cup is in Albania...the locket is at 12 Grimmauld Place...and the Ravenclaw artifact?...I believe it's somehow linked to the murder of Dorcas Meadowes.

Good one!! :rotfl:
Thanks. I had a serious point with that as well - the question was how to destroy a horcrux and the only canon way we know of is what Harry did with the diary. DD did something to the ring which seems to have caused it to crack; it may also have damaged his hand, or that might have been part of the protection independent of what happens when you try to destroy a horcrux. Just guessing, but I think it will seem very reasonable when we see each one in its hiding place, possibly related to alchemy or the elements, and also possibly related to the different allies Harry is able to enlist. The same instinct that guided Harry with the diary, grown larger with coming of age, will probably prove invaluable.

We're getting slightly off topic. We should only talk about destroying horcruxes as it pertains to tracking them down. Please move further discussion solely concerning the destrcuction of an horcrux to this thread to avoid the wrath of the Mostly Powerful Moderators: Destruction of a Horcrux (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=60348).

So, back to tracking Horcruxes...I still think Nagini is with Wormtail...I think the cup is in Albania...the locket is at 12 Grimmauld Place...and the Ravenclaw artifact?...I believe it's somehow linked to the murder of Dorcas Meadowes.A few questions and comments for you or anyone who shares your ideas.

In Chapter 2 of Half-Blood Prince, Spinner's End, we see Wormtail at Snape's, but no Nagini. Is this just a gut feeling, or do you have a bit more insight?

I agree that the locket is still at 12 Grimauld place. Harry would have noticed a heavy golden locket amongst the silver that Mundungus nicked from his house, wouldn't you agree?

I also agree that the Cup is in Albania. My favourite theory involves Charlie, Norbert, and Harry all tracking it down in the forest!

I know you refer to Dorcas as a girl, but is there any canon for that? I know there is a Shakespeare reference to a shephard girl named Dorcas, but I've always thought it was rather more of a boy's name. That's not important. My main question is why Dorcas? I would be more likely to pin that sort of speculation on the Goblin family the Dark Lord killed up in Nottingham.

*Hi Rastaban!

In Chapter 2 of Half-Blood Prince, Spinner's End, we see Wormtail at Snape's, but no Nagini. Is this just a gut feeling, or do you have a bit more insight?Mostly a gut feeling...For one, we know that 'Tail had the soul care of the snake while he also cared for Babymort---for nearly an entire year {GoF}, so 'Tail is familiar with her and her needs...Then there is the fact that when we see the Dark Lord in OoP {except when he possessed Nagini} we never see LV and the snake---and while we don't see the snake, we also don't see 'Tail...So, in the dream that Harry sees LV questioning Rookwood, we see the room, but no snake and no Wormtail...at the MoM, during that epic battle, we see a rope of fire conjured into a snake, but Harry doesn't recognize it as Nagini---no snake and no Wormtail. In HBP, fair enough, we see Wormtail---but no LV and no snake. I think that at that point, Nagini was back with LV...or she may have been safely hidden in 'Tails room that we never get to see. But now that Snape has murdered DD, Spinner's End has been abandoned...'Tail had to go somewhere safe, and I think that was back to LV, and taking care of that infernal snake.I agree that the locket is still at 12 Grimauld place. Harry would have noticed a heavy golden locket amongst the silver that Mundungus nicked from his house, wouldn't you agree?Absolutely...Dung is an opportunist, but I don't think that he would have thought to check Kreacher's bedroom--as house-elfs don't own anything, everything belongs to their masters, and one wouldn't steal from their master...I also agree that the Cup is in Albania. My favourite theory involves Charlie, Norbert, and Harry all tracking it down in the forest!Yeah, I love Albania as a locale...I know you refer to Dorcas as a girl, but is there any canon for that? I know there is a Shakespeare reference to a shephard girl named Dorcas, but I've always thought it was rather more of a boy's name. That's not important. My main question is why Dorcas? I would be more likely to pin that sort of speculation on the Goblin family the Dark Lord killed up in Nottingham.Well, we have some canon that makes me think her death is linked to a Horcrux."Original Order of the Phoenix"......"That's Dorcas Meadowes, Voldemort killed her personally....""He seems to have reserved the process of making Horcruxes for particularly significant deaths.Normally, LV steps back and allows his DEs to do the dirty work and take the risks....he's the puppet master, if you will. Throughout the books, we are told only a few people that LV has 'personally killed'...
Tom Riddle [pops}
Mr. Riddle [gramps]
Mrs. Riddle [grams]
Hepzibah Smith
Dorcas Meadows
James Potter
Lily Potter
Frank Bryce
He is responsible for the deaths of Moaning Myrtle, a Goblin family near Nottingham, the Bones, Gideon & Fabien Prewett, the McKinnons, Bertha Jorkins, Cedric Diggory, Emmaline Vance, and others. In HBP, he is rumored to have possibly murdered Madam Bones personally...but this is well after LV is said to have made his six Horcruxes---thereby creating a seven-part soul.

Of the eight people listed above, I don't believe that LV ever made a Horcrux from either James's or Lily's murders...that leaves six people that we know were personally killed by LV, which is truly convenient. :huh: The first four murders, the three Riddles and Smith, could have been used to create the first four Horcruxes: diary, ring, locket, cup....the last Horcrux, Nagini, is said to have been made from the murder of Bryce....which leaves the unknown Horcrux and the murder of Dorcas....again, convenient. While I think LV has killed many more people than what is listed, we only have listed those that were significant to LV. Which is why I believe the death of Dorcas Meadowes has to do with the unidentified {RR} Horcrux.

The name Dorcas in Greek means 'gazelle'. Dorcas stands out in the Bible as a woman of good works and charitable deeds. She lived in the first century AD, in Joppa. Dorcas died and was brought back to life at the hands of the Apostle Peter.

I think that when Harry goes to Godric's Hollow he will find important clues about Dorcas's murder, which lead him to hunt the unknown Horcrux...

I know you refer to Dorcas as a girl, but is there any canon for that? I know there is a Shakespeare reference to a shephard girl named Dorcas, but I've always thought it was rather more of a boy's name. That's not important. My main question is why Dorcas? I would be more likely to pin that sort of speculation on the Goblin family the Dark Lord killed up in Nottingham.Dorcas is a girls name - no doubt about that. There is a Dorcas in the New Testament, although it's extremely rare nowadays. Link (http://www.behindthename.com/php/view.php?name=dorcas)

*Normally, LV steps back and allows his DEs to do the dirty work and take the risks....he's the puppet master, if you will. Throughout the books, we are told only a few people that LV has 'personally killed'...
Tom Riddle [pops}
Mr. Riddle [gramps]
Mrs. Riddle [grams]
Hepzibah Smith
Dorcas Meadows
James Potter
Lily Potter
Frank Bryce
He is responsible for the deaths of Moaning Myrtle, a Goblin family near Nottingham, the Bones, Gideon & Fabien Prewett, the McKinnons, Bertha Jorkins, Cedric Diggory, Emmaline Vance, and others. In HBP, he is rumored to have possibly murdered Madam Bones personally...but this is well after LV is said to have made his six Horcruxes---thereby creating a seven-part soul.
I like your list & reasoning, but Voldie didn't kill Heppy personally, the elf Hokey did it, with poison in the cocoa. Voldie is responsible for it. That leaves Tom Riddle {pops} Mr. Riddle {gramps} Mrs. Riddle {grams} Dorcas Meadows James Potter Lily Potter Frank Bryce Madam Bones

I agree he didn't make James or Lily a horcrux, lacking time before becoming Vapormort & losing ability to hold a wand, so that leaves the list of "personal murders" at: Tom Riddle {pops} Mr. Riddle {gramps} Mrs. Riddle {grams} Dorcas Meadows Frank Bryce Madam Bones
Coincidentally SIX (6) murders !!!

I know you were saying that you were doubting the fact that Godric's Hollow was paved over, I was just implying how absurd of an idea it was, it wasn't addressed to you. It was addressed to the person you were talking about.

Dude - my name is lindaluna, l - i - n - d - a - l - u - n - a. You can tell me your views on my ideas directly... "they paved paradise, put up a parking lot" ...Must find JKR... give her my life savings ...to put time travel ...& parking lot . ..into Book 7... Do you think $11.57 will tempt her?

I like your list & reasoning, but Voldie didn't kill Heppy personally, the elf Hokey did it, with poison in the cocoa. Voldie is responsible for it.
I thought the idea was that he had planted the memory in Hokey's mind, just as he had with Morfin being made to believe that he had killed the Riddle family. We know Morfin didn't do it because we saw those murders. I can't recall if we were told explicitly that Hokey didn't do it or if that was just the inference that DD and Harry drew.

At first, I would have agreed that killing Hepzibah Smoth would not have been the glorious murder he would have used, because she was apparently quite uselss and defenseless. But there is the matter of Hufflepuff descent. Also we count the murders of his father and grandparents as significant even though they were even more defenseless than Heppy.

I just had an odd thought - what if soon after TR, Sr. discovered his wife was a witch, she went into a Trelawney-like trance and prophesied that the child she was carrying would grow up to murder its father. Then TR, Sr. tells her what happened, she explains all about sorcery to him, and leaves him out of her love for him, in hopes of separating the child she was carrying from him. However, she couldn't go far as her grief and inner turmoil weakened her, and she couldn't bear to abort the child she was carrying, so Tom Marvolo Riddle was born, and, well, you know the rest. But then the dynamics are all different - LV's parents separated out of love (well, her love and her choice at least), and the whole basis for LV's worldview is taken away.

I just had an odd thought - what if soon after TR, Sr. discovered his wife was a witch, she went into a Trelawney-like trance and prophesied that the child she was carrying would grow up to murder its father.
I wondered if when Marvolo returned to the hut, & got his daughter's note, if he cursed her...
...so the love spell holding Riddle to her evaporated...
...she couldn't use magic...
...she died (? I still wonder about this ?)...
...Baby Riddle grew up evil ...

OT - About Merlin, he was supposedly the son of the devil, and was named after his maternal grandfather. Tho' not evil himself. Just an interesting tidbit

At first, I would have agreed that killing Hepzibah Smoth would not have been the glorious murder he would have used, because she was apparently quite uselss and defenseless. But there is the matter of Hufflepuff descent. Also we count the murders of his father and grandparents as significant even though they were even more defenseless than Heppy.

Defenseless not = Significant. The murders had to be significant, not vs people who could defend themselves. Although a duel with a strong opponent does show (by their death) your strength.

I wonder if it depends what you intend to signify? strength could be one intention.
Power vs love, including filial love, re the patricide? Patricide is a real theme... but I did no classics - what does it signify???? & The deaths of the grandparents??? what significance?

Power over the heirs of the other houses? that could definitely be a theme, since Voldie took on the mission of Slytherin... I am after the quashing of the heirs of houses themes, so I don't know what those exact themes were, nor what exactly was quashed.

I like your list & reasoning, but Voldie didn't kill Heppy personally, the elf Hokey did it, with poison in the cocoa. Voldie is responsible for it.Actually, we know that LV did kill her, and then implanted a false memory into Hokey's mind...and we are told by DD that Heppy is Tom's first kill since he'd killed his dad and grandpains---also implanting a false memory into someone else, who conveniently confessed to Tommy's bad deeds---just like Heppy & Hokey..."Certainly there are many similarities between this death and that of the Riddles. In both cases, somebody else took the blame, someone who had a clear memory of having caused the death---"
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"Now," said Dumbledore, "if you don't mind, Harry, I want to pause once more to draw your attention to certain points of the story. Voldemort had committed another murder; whether it was his first since he killed the Riddles, I do not know, but I think it was. This time, as you will have seen, he killed not for revenge, but for gain. He wanted two fabulous trophies that poor, besotted, old woman showed him. Just as he had once robbed the other children at his orphanage, just as he had stolen his Uncle Morfin's ring, so he ran off now with Hepzibah's cup and locket."LV did murder Hepzibah Smith, then he framed Hokey for the crime.I agree he didn't make James or Lily a horcrux, lacking time before becoming Vapormort & losing ability to hold a wand, so that leaves the list of "personal murders" at: Tom Riddle {pops}
Mr. Riddle {gramps}
Mrs. Riddle {grams}
Dorcas Meadows
Frank Bryce
Madam BonesThe problem though, is that LV had made five of his six Horcruxes before he became Vapormort....which means there is a murder/Horcrux creation that remains unaccounted for in your list....that of Hepzibah Smith....as for Madam Bones, it is only an unconfirmed rumor {by Fudge at that} that she was killed by LV personally.

Fudge was a good informant for Harry about the Peter Pettigrew history, and also for the muggle Prime Minister, so as a source I trust him to know "common knowledge" in the wizard world.

If Voldie killed Heppy and did NOT kill Amelia Bones, then there's the six, 5 before GH, and one after. Heppy was killed by poison, I think Voldie supplied the poison, but how did he deliver it? I think through Hokey... since food service is a natural house elf role... and Hokey didn't remember killing her mistress or wanting to kill her (as Morphin did), but putting something in her drink ...but I suppose there could have been a poison on some flowers... or Voldie could have served a drink...

But then - why kill Amelia Bones personally ?

Fudge was a good informant for Harry about the Peter Pettigrew history, and also for the muggle Prime Minister, so as a source I trust him to know "common knowledge" in the wizard world.

If Voldie killed Heppy and did NOT kill Amelia Bones, then there's the six, 5 before GH, and one after. Heppy was killed by poison, I think Voldie supplied the poison, but how did he deliver it? I think through Hokey... since food service is a natural house elf role... and Hokey didn't remember killing her mistress or wanting to kill her (as Morphin did), but putting something in her drink ...but I suppose there could have been a poison on some flowers... or Voldie could have served a drink...

But then - why kill Amelia Bones personally ?I trust DD over Fudge any time, any day...Fudge's account of Wormtail in POA was incredibly flawed, as we learned at the end of POA. Even if LV had killed Amelia Bones, it was well after LV had created his six Horcruxes....wait, I remember now, you're still sittin' the fence about Nagini---Right...?

It still wouldn't matter as we'd have:
Tom Riddle
Mr. Riddle
Mrs. Riddle
Dorcas Meadowes
Excluding the Potters, that's four known kills, not five...which means LV hadn't made five Horcruxes before his downfall as we're told he did...

So I list Heppy's murder as a possible used to create the Cup Horcrux, which is in Albania {I think anywhoo...}.

The murder of Dorcas will hopefully lead to the unidentified Horcrux and its location.

Throughout the books, we are told only a few people that LV has 'personally killed'...
Tom Riddle [pops}
Mr. Riddle [gramps]
Mrs. Riddle [grams]
Hepzibah Smith
Dorcas Meadows
James Potter
Lily Potter
Frank Bryce
That is a very convenient list, kingwidgit! I especially like the idea that Dorcas may have some connection to one of the founders (or one of their possessions, at least). So I list Heppy's murder as a possible used to create the Cup Horcrux, which is in Albania {I think anywhoo...}.I like Albania as a possible location, too. The problem will be "just where in Albania"....only Wormtail and Voldemort really know? Albus once mentioned that sources told him V was hiding in the forests of Albania--the Aurors? I doubt Harry & Co. will have to spend a bunch of time traipsing through the forests there...But someone is going to have to give them directions...

Excluding the Potters, that's four known kills, not five...which means LV hadn't made five Horcruxes before his downfall as we're told he did...I think it is very unlikely that Voldemort only killed four people. Those are the ones we know about. We will almost certainly learn about more in book 7.

I think it is very unlikely that Voldemort only killed four people. Those are the ones we know about. We will almost certainly learn about more in book 7.I agree, and that's why I said "While I think LV has killed many more people than what is listed, we only have listed those that were significant to LV. Which is why I believe the death of Dorcas Meadowes has to do with the unidentified {RR} Horcrux."

What we know of the murders that were committed by LV, hands-on, are what we have from the books...so far, that's the people I listed.

I always use a basilisk fang, that is, if I have one available.

I think there is something more to destroying one. The Diary was a weird Horcrux because Tom's memory was coming out from it. Will your soul have a memory in it? The Diary had weird magical properties, Voldemort was living through the Diary and the power Ginny put in it. Maybe to destroy one you have to kill the memory that is inside of it. A basilisk fang is poisonous and will kill a human. Maybe you have to "kill" the Horcrux to destroy it.

Dude - my name is lindaluna, l - i - n - d - a - l - u - n - a. You can tell me your views on my ideas directly... "they paved paradise, put up a parking lot" ...Must find JKR... give her my life savings ...to put time travel ...& parking lot . ..into Book 7... Do you think $11.57 will tempt her?

I know it was you who said that, I was just adding onto what ComicBookWorm said to you. Thats it, I'm never puting quotes in my posts again, look what it does haha. I'm really very terribly sorry for all of this and now I know your name is Lindaluna. And to show no hard feelings I'll donate $12.25 to your "Get JKR to put Time Travel and Parking Lots into Book Seven Fund"...$23.82 should be enough.

Sorry, seawhitelady, that bit of soul is what we fans commonly refer to as Vapormort, and it's never been a Horcrux---it's also the soul piece that must be attacked last, after all LVs Horcruxes have been found and destroyed. DD clearly tells us:"But firstly, no, Harry, not seven Horcruxes: six. The seventh part of his soul, however maimed, resides inside his regenerated body. That was the part of him that lived a spectral existence for so many years during his exile; without that, he has no sense of self. That seventh piece of soul will be the last that anybody wishing to kill Voldemort must attack---the piece that lives within his body..

Thanks for this. Another thought, it would make sense for Voldemort to keep a horacrux with him to protect it from destruction. Especially if he does not sense when a horacrux is destroyed he would need to know at least one is okay to retain his immortality. Also, the fact that destroying Voldemort's body did not destroy his soul would indicate that destroying a horacrux must involve destroying the soul within.

yours in fun
seawhitelady

Thanks for this. Another thought, it would make sense for Voldemort to keep a horacrux with him to protect it from destruction. Especially if he does not sense when a horacrux is destroyed he would need to know at least one is okay to retain his immortality. Also, the fact that destroying Voldemort's body did not destroy his soul would indicate that destroying a horacrux must involve destroying the soul within.

yours in fun
seawhitelady
Except - consider what happened at Godric's Hollow. If he carries a horcrux with him, then if the unthinkable happens - i.e., the body is killed and he's Vapormort again until Womtail cuts off another hand - the horcrux he takes with him is just lying there with the dead body for anyone to pick up and destroy. The exception would be a living horcrux, such as Nagini, which could slither off if anything happened to LV.

Okay, king, I think you have me convinced about Dorcas. (By the way, to all concerned, I acknowledge my previous ignorance thinking that Dorcas could only ever be a boy's name. It's such an hideous name period that I could only imagine it belonging to a boy, but I'll change my ways hence forth.) It also ties in pretty nicely with my own theories about Godric's Hollow and where Harry will go after that. Give it a few days to ferment, and you'll have another supporter.

But I'm a no go on the Wormtail Nagini theory, and not necesarily because I don't think Nagini is an horcrux. It's just that I have my own silly theories to be getting on with.

consider what happened at Godric's Hollow. If he carries a horcrux with him, then if the unthinkable happens - i.e., the body is killed and he's Vapormort again until Womtail cuts off another hand - the horcrux he takes with him is just lying there with the dead body for anyone to pick up and destroy.Was he possibly doing that? ie, Had a horcrux with him when he went to GH? The unknown object? The cup? Is it at all likely that Harry will find said item when he visits? [It seems too easy...]
But I'm a no go on the Wormtail Nagini theory, I have my own silly theories to be getting on with.And when will you share them? :)

Was he possibly doing that? ie, Had a horcrux with him when he went to GH? The unknown object? The cup? Is it at all likely that Harry will find said item when he visits? [It seems too easy...]In addition, if the Dark Lord did lose the Cup or any other horcrux at Godric's Hollow, don't we think that he would have had the sense enough to return and find it after he was resurrected? How would Harry be able to find in a few minutes what the Dark Lord would have had years to search out? There will be no horcrux at Godric's Hollow, just information.

And when will you share them? :)Well, I used to post more often in these threads, but I've been quite busy lately and only get a chance every now and again. I can't possibly keep up with everything, but if you've read any of the past threads, you may find some of my pet theories, like the Dark Lord's and Ravenclaw's Wands theories and, more in line with the topic of this thread, the Albania theory.

the Albania theory.Ah, one of my faves. :agree: If there are any foreign locations at all, I agree that Albania is the most likely place. It's just too odd that Vapormort would flee there, so far from his followers who could help him return to a body. And he fled there after being part of Quirrellmort, too, despite being close enough to visit another DE instead...

I know it was you who said that, I was just adding onto what ComicBookWorm said to you. Thats it, I'm never puting quotes in my posts again No worries mate. :tu: Feel free to quote, it helps source everything.

Even if LV had killed Amelia Bones, it was well after LV had created his six Horcruxes....wait, I remember now, you're still sittin' the fence about Nagini---Right...?

It still wouldn't matter as we'd have:
Tom Riddle
Mr. Riddle
Mrs. Riddle
Dorcas Meadowes
Excluding the Potters, that's four known kills, not five...which means LV hadn't made five Horcruxes before his downfall as we're told he did...

So I list Heppy's murder as a possible used to create the Cup Horcrux, which is in Albania {I think anywhoo...}. The murder of Dorcas will hopefully lead to the unidentified Horcrux and its location.

I agree that's only 4 murders, yet DD told us that Voldie had made 5 horcruxes when he went to Godric's Hollow. Possible missing murder: Heppy - definitely high on list RAB? - I know Sirius said not, but he doesn't have actual knowledge Caracatus Burke - someone suggested him, Revenge for 10 Galleons theory

I still have no real explanation for why Frank Bryce was victimized TWICE by Voldie, nor why his death would have been significant enough to make a horcrux from. Voldie knows he's got a working horcrux, what's the rush?

Re Nagini - yes, I'm still on the fence. I think she's guarding something, not the something itself.

I agree that the locket is still at 12 Grimauld place. Harry would have noticed a heavy golden locket amongst the silver that Mundungus nicked from his house, wouldn't you agree?

Are you trying to bring up the red jelly bean in a bowl of green jelly beans theory again? :rotfl: :rotfl: I think that Harry was too made to notice anything in particular and I think that Dung would have probobly kept the locket seperate. He may have even sold it to Abaforth already.
You also can't forget the twins might have nicked it. Why else would JKR write about them taking the Doxies? There hasen't been any mention of them using anything they took from the house in their experiments.
I hope Ron gets a Niffler and takes it into the shop. or #12 and it finds it.

You also can't forget the twins might have nicked it.
Yes, we did see them take things from #12. But the items/creatures we did see them take all had some magical element...like venom or powder. Doesn't seem like the locket intrigued them at all, as it apparently couldn't be opened (and thus whatever magical potential it may have had wasn't worth the effort?). I suppose we can't discount it, though.

I agree that's only 4 murders, yet DD told us that Voldie had made 5 horcruxes when he went to Godric's Hollow.


If We know this for certain then why is everyone rejecting the possibility as using the murder of lily or james for a horcrux? If he needs 6 horcruxes to make a 7 part soul than didn't he HAVE to use their murders to make his 6th horcrux.

Or can you save a murder to make a horcrux...i.e. Voldie kills someone butit wears him out, he has a little snackity snack (hmmm, LV's favorite snack...what woud it be? mighty be the next thread I start...), takes a little nappity nap in his hammock and footie pajamas and makes a horcrux out of Hufflepuff's cup two days later.

Or do the Horcruxes have to be made shortly after the killing? Do we know any of this? Because if there is no time limit between a murder and the birth of a horcrux then speculation becomes for more difficult.

Originally Posted by kingwidgit
Sorry, seawhitelady, that bit of soul is what we fans commonly refer to as Vapormort, and it's never been a Horcrux---it's also the soul piece that must be attacked last, after all LVs Horcruxes have been found and destroyed. DD clearly tells us:HBP, Horcruxes"But firstly, no, Harry, not seven Horcruxes: six. The seventh part of his soul, however maimed, resides inside his regenerated body. That was the part of him that lived a spectral existence for so many years during his exile; without that, he has no sense of self. That seventh piece of soul will be the last that anybody wishing to kill Voldemort must attack---the piece that lives within his body.

Disagree entirely, Kill voldemort with AK, turn him to vapormort, chuck the other horcruxes through the veil, drop an atomic bomb on them, whatever....

Vapormort is still around but probably not hard to kill when in Albania he possesed snakes, all you'd need to kill those is a shovel...Quirrelmort or Babymort could have been killed with a colored pencil and a bit of enthusiasm.

Disagree entirely, Kill voldemort with AK, turn him to vapormort, chuck the other horcruxes through the veil, drop an atomic bomb on them, whatever....

Vapormort is still around but probably not hard to kill when in Albania he possesed snakes, all you'd need to kill those is a shovel...Quirrelmort or Babymort could have been killed with a colored pencil and a bit of enthusiasm.DD tells us what Harry's strengths are and his power....he has a whole and untarnished soul, he is pure of heart, and his power is "Love". It's the combination of these things that will "Vanquish the Dark Lord".

In order for Harry to kill, he must rip his soul, thereby losing his "whole and untarnished soul" by marking it by the supreme act of evil---murder. He would no longer be pure of heart, either. Had murder been the way to get rid of LV, then DD would have taught Harry to use the AK---he didn't.

As for tracking the Horcruxes: Locket = London, cup = Albania, snake = Wormtail, somewhere's in the UK, and the unidentified one ???

and the unidentified one ???
Harder to locate it when we don't know what it is...But working with Dumbledore's assessment, it should be something of Ravenclaw's (if such an object was ever available to V). Eh, have to re-start somewhere.

And going by the elements Jo mentioned in the MN&TLC Interview, Ravenclaw is associated with air. Slytherin with water (and note that liquid comprised two of the protections for his locket and that the location was by the sea...)--got that one id'd and have a probable location (or three). Hufflepuff with earth (cup may be in Albania, but...we can't prove that at this point; should be buried or at least underground). Gryffindor with fire (how would the sword have fit in with that?).

So do we know any possible "air" locations that are also associated with Voldemort? Eagles (the Ravenclaw symbol)? Mountains? The rafters of the orphanage where Tommy hung the rabbit?

I think that at least one of the horcruxes will be easy (in terms of page space) to find and possibly to destroy.

Look how difficult it was for dumbledore to destroy the ring and to locate the faux locket. With the diary and ring gone it would take like eighty billion pages to get through the finding and destruction of the the rest of LV's soul.

The locket makes sense as being easy to find but probably not easy to destroy since no one in the ootp could open it or even notice its magical properties.

But consider the locket's original hiding place- without access to more memories regarding LV/TR where is the information required to discern their hiding places going to be located?

does snape know LV well enough to make a good guess, dumbledore's portrait, the bloody baron? Maybe we find out what the hell happend to him to make him so bloody 'n grumpy.

Maybe a rescue mission to save Olivander could reveal one? Or perhaps Borgin or Burkes? There might be records of some sort abotu TR's search for artifacts there.
Or maybe LV will kill do something terrible to lucius and Draco/Narcissa will come to the ootp....they both seemed ready to defy LV in HBP.

Are you trying to bring up the red jelly bean in a bowl of green jelly beans theory again? :rotfl: :rotfl: I think that Harry was too made to notice anything in particular and I think that Dung would have probobly kept the locket seperate. He may have even sold it to Abaforth already.
You also can't forget the twins might have nicked it. Why else would JKR write about them taking the Doxies? There hasen't been any mention of them using anything they took from the house in their experiments.
I hope Ron gets a Niffler and takes it into the shop. or #12 and it finds it.As king has mentioned several times, we know that only Ron, Harry, and Hermione have been into Kreacher's humble quarters. This is probably where the locket is sitting. Not the twins or Mundungus or anyone else would have even thought to look (or even known where to look) for valuebles inside the servant's small sleeping quarters.

DD tells us what Harry's strengths are and his power....he has a whole and untarnished soul, he is pure of heart, and his power is "Love". It's the combination of these things that will "Vanquish the Dark Lord".

In order for Harry to kill, he must rip his soul, thereby losing his "whole and untarnished soul" by marking it by the supreme act of evil---murder. He would no longer be pure of heart, either. Had murder been the way to get rid of LV, then DD would have taught Harry to use the AK---he didn't.Just paraphrasing another quote at you, at the end of Order of the Phoenix, didn't Harry say to Dumbledore that his life would either end or involve murder? Maybe you could help me with the exact quote, but it really isn't important. My main point is killing and murder are two different things, and though I agree that Harry will find some way to utilise love to vanquish the Dark Lord, I would disagree that using the Killing Curse on the Dark Lord would cause Harry's soul to split.

Just paraphrasing another quote at you, at the end of Order of the Phoenix, didn't Harry say to Dumbledore that his life would either end or involve murder? Maybe you could help me with the exact quote, but it really isn't important. My main point is killing and murder are two different things, and though I agree that Harry will find some way to utilise love to vanquish the Dark Lord, I would disagree that using the Killing Curse on the Dark Lord would cause Harry's soul to split.Sure, here's the quote...and I'll throw in another for free.He was not ready to use to see their expressions when he told them that he must be either murderer or victim, there was no other way..."From what it said," Harry took a deep breath, "it looks like I'm the one who's got to finish of Voldemort....At least, it said neither of us could live while the other survives.""But, sir," said Harry, making valient efforts not to sound argumentative, "it all comes to the same thing, doesn't it? I've got to try and kill him, or --- "
"Got to?" said Dumbledore. "Of course you've got to!"I make the distinction of AK being used for murder. It's a Dark Art, not taught at Hogwarts, and DD never taught it to Harry. Yes, people die in battle. Is that murder? To some it is, they make no distinction.

The prophecy tells us that "either must die at the hand of the other"....that doesn't mean the AK...we know that LVs and Harry's wands won't duel against one another...Harry's not getting rid of his----and I don't believe, despite Ollivander's disappearance, that LV will get a new wand.

Though it's only my idea, I really feel that what happened to Quirrell---from being in contact with Harry's power---is the key to the end of the series...we don't really know how he died, we're not told and I think it's deliberate. I think that Harry's power caused Quirrell's death---note: I'm saying that Harry didn't murder or kill Quirrell, Harry's power did.

"EITHER MUST DIE AT THE HAND OF THE OTHER" says to me {ok--I know I'm a geek :blush: } that it will be a literal interpretation of that line of the prophecy---direct physical contact between Harry and LV, and that contact destroys LV---just as it did Quirrell.

And thanks for agreeing about 12 Grimmauld Place and the Locket :lol: , I know I repeat myself---alot...bludger you know? :huh:

Though it's only my idea, I really feel that what happened to Quirrell---from being in contact with Harry's power---is the key to the end of the series...we don't really know how he died, we're not told and I think it's deliberate. I think that Harry's power caused Quirrell's death---note: I'm saying that Harry didn't murder or kill Quirrell, Harry's power did.

"EITHER MUST DIE AT THE HAND OF THE OTHER" says to me {ok--I know I'm a geek :blush: } that it will be a literal interpretation of that line of the prophecy---direct physical contact between Harry and LV, and that contact destroys LV---just as it did Quirrell.

And thanks for agreeing about 12 Grimmauld Place and the Locket :lol: , I know I repeat myself---alot...bludger you know? :huh:Thanks for the quotes, you fast quote finder, you! I used to be good at that myself, but I haven't read the books in English in what, three months now! Don't worry, I'm buying a new set when I go back home for the opening, and I'm bringing them back to Italy for reference and reading!

I quite agree with you about the physical contact thingy, so despite out differences in opinion about killing, murder, and Avada Kedavra, let's just leave it at that. I think that Harry is going to have to somehow possess the Dark Lord. I'm sure he has this power, given to him by the Dark Lord. Yet, we digress.

No problem with the 12 Grimauld Place theory. It's only a few of us that actually remember which theories belong to whom and how they tire of defending them all by their onesies.

Thanks for the quotes, you fast quote finder, you! I used to be good at that myself, but I haven't read the books in English in what, three months now! Don't worry, I'm buying a new set when I go back home for the opening, and I'm bringing them back to Italy for reference and reading!

I quite agree with you about the physical contact thingy, so despite out differences in opinion about killing, murder, and Avada Kedavra, let's just leave it at that. I think that Harry is going to have to somehow possess the Dark Lord. I'm sure he has this power, given to him by the Dark Lord. Yet, we digress.

No problem with the 12 Grimauld Place theory. It's only a few of us that actually remember which theories belong to whom and how they tire of defending them all by their onesies.

I agree with you and kingwidget... But like I have said, remembering what happended to Quarrell and the prophecy on by one's hand, I feel has been completed. When Voldermort used Harry's blood? He chose to, I feel that with reference to touch, that the blood will be his downfall. Again he is not affected yet cause of the horcruxes, immortality would likely cause you not to feel certain effects upon your body, but when mortal you would.

Lets get a close up on Quirrells death moment. By the hand of Harry.

I don't think that a Horcrux is hidden at the orphanage. Voldemort hid his Horcruxes in places that he felt distinguished him(ancestral home, place of child-torture); i don't think he ever felt distinguished, or "special," at the orphanage, and he certainly wouldn't have had any attachment to the place to return and hide a piece of his soul there.

Nottingham is looking better the more I think about it! Pevey is a name of ancient Norman origin. It arrived in England with the Norman Conquest in 1066. The Pevey family lived in Nottingham.

Spelling variations include: Peverell, Peverill, Peverly, Peverley, Littleboys and others.

First found in Nottingham where they were seated from very early times and were granted lands by Duke William of Normandy, their liege-lord, for their distinguished assistance at the Battle of Hastings in 1066.Can't think why V didn't use somewhere in Nottingham to hide the Peverell ring, though. (Duh, because it meant more for him to have the family ring hidden in the family hovel!)

Still, we know V murdered a goblin family in Nottingham. Goblins are very attached to gold and jewels, right? Could that family have been in possession of some significant wizarding object, say from the time of the last Goblin Rebellion?

Nottingham is looking better the more I think about it! Pevey is a name of ancient Norman origin. It arrived in England with the Norman Conquest in 1066. The Pevey family lived in Nottingham.

Spelling variations include: Peverell, Peverill, Peverly, Peverley, Littleboys and others.

First found in Nottingham where they were seated from very early times and were granted lands by Duke William of Normandy, their liege-lord, for their distinguished assistance at the Battle of Hastings in 1066.Can't think why V didn't use somewhere in Nottingham to hide the Peverell ring, though. (Duh, because it meant more for him to have the family ring hidden in the family hovel!)

Still, we know V murdered a goblin family in Nottingham. Goblins are very attached to gold and jewels, right? Could that family have been in possession of some significant wizarding object, say from the time of the last Goblin Rebellion?

Actually you could be right... Remember magical history, during OWL year there were things and clues throughout the books regarding the death of the Goblin family? Or goblins in general? We know they at one time did not have rights, they were superior in metals to humans... Key - Grimmauld Place, the Goblin wrought goblets? They seemed to be makers of the finest things with valuable metals, silver and gold. We do know they were once oppressed and had been under human rule at one time, does Ravenclaw have a link here? And I have always thought that the piece would be either a tiara or broach, but the tiara has weight. When Harry went to hide the HBP copy of Advanced potions he noticed a tiara? Then a tiara is rementioned by Mrs. Weasley to Fleur during the hospital part near the end of HBP? Could the goblin family once had the Tiara of Ravenclaw? And it would not surprise me if that were true...

I do not know if you have what year they were killed, the goblin family I mean? But let's just say, Voldemort went to get it, killed them and used it. Could he have gotten it into Hogwarts? Where was the vanishing cabinet been? The room where the tiara was... Filled with many things, who would suspect, maybe he wanted to hide it and that is why he wanted to teach there, to secure it better... We know he has an afinity with the school and he worked at B&B where the other cabinet is... And we do not know, case and fact if Montague was how Darco knew about the cupboard, maybe Voldemort help him? I believe it has a possibilty merit...

Could be, but Harry may have to come back to Hogwarts whether the cup is there or not. There is the library, which will be a huge resource even if the school is closed, the room of requirement, and, as you say, Dumbledore's portrait, not to mention the Penseive.
Well, I bet they're going to call Harry to hogwarts during the summer anyway. I know that DD didn't plan on dying and not left some sort of will. And so I know that he will give things to Harry, and most of them probably being clues. Because DD knew he wouldn't live forever certainly.

I do not know if you have what year they were killed, the goblin family I mean? But let's just say, Voldemort went to get it, killed them and used it. Could he have gotten it into Hogwarts? Where was the vanishing cabinet been? The room where the tiara was... Filled with many things, who would suspect, maybe he wanted to hide it and that is why he wanted to teach there, to secure it better... We know he has an afinity with the school and he worked at B&B where the other cabinet is... Whoa, slow down a bit, you are mixing canon with...I don't know what...enthusiasm, I think!

The Vanishing Cabinet was located above Filch's office in CoS...not in the RoR. It seems it was moved to the RoR after OotP when Fred and George used it...though it was already broken (Peeves dropped it in CoS at Nearly Headless Nick's suggestion). What we don't know is whether Draco or someone else moved it to the RoR...

That said...I do think the VCs worked just fine before Peeves smashed the one at Hogwarts, but I can't prove that with any canon at all. So yes, at the time of the Goblin murders by V in Nottingham, there is the potential that V could have used the VCs to enter the castle, traveled up to the seventh floor to the RoR and hidden some object there. A disillusionment charm before leaving...having waited for summer and a time when Albus went off to visit someone...regretfully bypassing the Chamber entrance...(okay, that's getting too teary).

Since the tiara mentioned by Molly was "goblin-made", that would be the item, I think, associated with Nottingham. Bonus that the Peverell family also came from Nottingham.

The Vanishing Cabinet was located above Filch's office in CoSThe cabinet was dropped there to make noise and distract Filch. We can't know where it sat prior to that event.

The cabinet was dropped there to make noise and distract Filch. We can't know where it sat prior to that event.True! But it would have made sense for Peeves to drop something that was already there, rather than fetching a heavy cabinet from another room in order to drop if over Filch's office. I'm assuming the room had furniture in it, rather than being completely empty.

I say let’s give a gander at what we think or know…

We know Voldemort had an affinity with the founders and Hogwarts in general. We know he killed for two founder objects. And he also killed a Goblin family, for what reason we do not know. We know he took the ring of Peverell. We know that Peverell the name has English ties to the word Conqueror or Conquer, which itself usually bares the lion to the mark or arms of those families noted for such. We know that the ring had the Peverell ring donned the coat of arms, which in fact has the Red Fire Lion in the arms itself. We know two horcruxes were buried or placed at places that like Hogwarts, Voldemort had an affinity towards. We also know according to JKR that Dumbledore was right in the number of Horcruxes meaning four, of course and the piece of soul within the body of Voldemort then can be destroyed. We know according to JKR that each house not only bares an animal representative but an elemental one as well: Gryffindor (Fire), Raven claw (Air), Hufflepuff (Earth) and Slytherin (Water). We know someone with the initials R.A.B had taken a horcrux from a water entombed cave. We know a horcrux, is caused by pure murder which therein tears the soul which needs an incantation to be bonded with an object. We know Voldemort wanted to teach at Hogwarts, Dumbledore thought it was to find a horcrux, or to recruit more death eaters. We know via JKR that there is more to Aunt Petunia, Snape and Harry’s family. And there is more of this information to come.

Okay… I am going to give this a shot, but I think I have figured out some things…

Horcruxes:

1) The Diary of Riddle… This was Riddle’s first Horcrux, he had preserved a trace of his sixteen year old self in it’s pages and a piece of his soul. This has significance because as Dumbledore said Riddle wanted to show or broadcast he was the true heir of Slytherin. But I also feel it showed his start to challenging the four founders in greatness, he wants to be the greatest sorcerer in the world, this shows his rise as Lord Voldemort. The Diary which leads to the Chamber of Secrets is or was a chamber with monuments and statues to Slytherin and to snakes, to open entrance you need know parseltongue and the chamber had areas of water: Slytherin House’s Element.

2) The Peverell Ring… This he stole from his uncle and then framed him for the murders he committed killing his muggle father and grandparents. We know that the Peverell coat of arms is on the ring, which bares the Red Flame Lion. The Flame and Lion both have ties to Gryffindor. Peverell has ties to English nobility with the word conquer or conqueror which most mark or bare arms with the Lion: To Conquer to rule. I believe this is the Gryffindor Horcrux… Gryffindor’s Element is fire and Dumbledore’s hand after getting the ring was severely burnt. We also know that Voldemort had an affinity for the Gaunt house for being his mother’s family home, Slytherin descendents. For those whom think the ring was an heirloom and not of Gryffindor, and the coat of arms is insignificant: We do not know if a Gryffindor married a Slytherin, JKR has said that there were bad people in all houses, death eaters as well… There could be a bad Gryffindor heir, but I believe that the Gaunts’ were thievish and more criminal, I see them as thieves and murderers with severely bad tempers, we also do not know if they held the Slytherin grudge against Gryffindor, but the ring has many clues leading it to be an item of Gryffindor. And Riddle is not dumb, evil yes, but dumb no; he was very intelligent, he may have noticed the arms after he thought is was of Slytherin and realized he got a treat.

3) The Slytherin Locket… We know this belonged to Riddle’s mother and was an heirloom of the Slytherin bloodline. We know that it was hidden on a island surrounded by water, the Slytherin element. We know that Voldemort had an affinity with the cave itself for being a place where he tortured kids. I believe this is also where he discovered more then just his normal powers but likely the ability to control others fear via magic, which he was happy about. We know that a person with the initials R.A.B had found Voldemort’s secret, wished for him to be mortal to face his doom. We know a locket was placed into the place where the horcrux once resided. We also know Regulus Black, has close enough initials to maybe be the person, that he defected as a death eater and died soon after. The house where Regulus grew up also has a strange heavy locket, that will not open. The chamber of secrets could hold the key to the locket if it was the original horcrux from the cave. Parseltongue likely will open it as it did the chamber. We know Mundungus has stolen from the house and has been to see Dumbledore’s brother in Hogsmeade.
~ I believe that Dumbledor’s brother will lead them to it, only after Hermione figures whom R.A.B is and they realize the locket is no longer at the house and they question Mudungus in Azkaban, which will lead them to the Hog’s Head. ~

4) The Cup of Hufflepuff… We know it is a gold chalice with double handles. We know that Hufflepuff’s element is earth, so it is likely in the ground, somehow, either buried or place somewhere underground. We know that the Hepzibah Smith whom had this and the locket he killed and then framed her house elf. But what places may have he had an affinity with as much as the first places we know: Hogwarts, Borgin and Burkes and maybe the Riddle House, but the key here is where, though Albania and the Orphanage are possibilities he seemed to loath both locations unlike the others. We know that soon after the murder Riddle up and left his job with no trace and disappeared for a while. ~ I believe this horcrux is hidden in Borgin and Burks, likely in the cellar or under a floor board, with a protective charm. But that is not earth, some might say: floorboards receive earth with dust and dirt that go into it’s cracks, the cellar in underground. ‘Harry thought Firenxe was better because he knew that all divination was upon interpretation, that no one could be foolproof.’~

5) The Tiara of Ravenclaw… I know, I know, no one knows this for sure… But I believe the clues I give will show a merit possibility to a tiara. This is what I believe… We know ‘A Goblin Family was murdered by Voldemort in Nottingham’, we never knew why? We know in History of Magic and throughout the books that goblins are mentioned many a times, one reason is for gold and silver, for treasures? Goblins before they were free were slave to man, oppressed by humans, they made a lot of treasures. - OOTP: Sirius tells Mundungus that the family Goblets are in fact Goblin made fine wrought silver. - HPB: In the hospital wing near the end, Mrs. Weasley tells Fleur that her cousin has a Goblin made tiara that she could use for the wedding. Now in HBP when Harry went and hid the HBP copy of Advanced Potion Making, it was in the room of requirements, in there he sees a tarnished tiara. The catchy thing is the pointing out of the tiara and again at the end? Maybe coincidence… We know that many think Hogwarts has to be where a horcrux is. ~ I believe that the tiara in the room of requirements is the last founder horcrux, the pointing of Goblins and treasure and items they made. A goblin family killed in Nottingham, this could be Voldemort forcing them to join him, but why them instead of many others? I think the Ravenclaw item was placed in this family’s care and kept, Goblins love their treasure! Voldemort found out and then killed them. He I believe used the cabinets to enter into Hogwarts and place it there for safe keeping, likely place a defense charm onto it, if anyone tried to put it on or touch it, then it would seem cursed and someone would put it somewhere safe, not thinking to destroy it. Voldemort wanted to teach at Hogwarts, I believe that he wanted to get the tiara and place it somewhere safer, somewhere inside the castle. Dumbledore thought he was trying to teach to find and item to use and to recruit from within. Remember Dumbledore is not mistake free, but again everything is guessed upon interpretation. ~

Now people are going the 6th horcrux, it is Harry… or not, I do not believe so. I believe Voldemort was going to make one from this murder, into what item? I do not know. But I believe when the curse backfired the soul remained whole, I believe it tore when he murdered Lily. Though the protection charm on Harry was in effect, I believe when Voldemort hit the protection it weakened for a second, cutting Harry leaving the scar, the loose soul now had one physical living creature it could enter. I believe it felt an attraction, a keen sense of survival and tried to enter Harry, but the protection stopped it, evaporating it, destroying it. So how did Harry get his powers? “Dumbldore said he had a piece of Voldemort in him? He does and always will… Dumbledore also said that “magic leaves a trace“, a shadow, a footprint if you will. Remember book four the wands, it was a shadow of the last spells cast, not spirits but a trace of magic and the shadow or trace itself is not weak. Dumbldore may not have seen it for Harry is full of magic, showing a trace or a difference between a trace or soul may be hard, Dumbldore never told Harry he was a horcrux, because he wasn’t he had a trace, a remaining footprint of Voldemort and his power, giving Harry the ability to sense or connect and parseltongue but not much more.

So what is the 6th horcrux then? Where is it? And My guess will shock some, I know it will… I thought where would I put a horcrux if it was mine? Somewhere safe and not likely and it would have to be hard to destroy. So where? If I am right all the places holding an affinity for Voldemort to them have been used, except the Riddle Estate? Which is where I believe he is hiding, I do not think anyone has put two and two together yet. And he hates muggles and especially his rich muggle father whom abandoned him and his mother. I think this is like rubbing his dead fathers nose in it, it is spite, I have your house, when I grew up without one. And so therefore what is the item? What would be your last guess at a horcrux, he has all the founders, the diary… So what would be one that would be hard to destroy, be well protected and so unusual you would not know but still have an affinity for? My guess is not Nagini, she is an animal and weak and the interpretation of using an animal I believe was JKR throwing us off… I believe that the house itself is the location and the object, the Riddle Estate is the last horcrux…It neither thinks, breaths or eats and it is inanimate, an object, just large, as a house it to has protection charms and who would suspect it…

Well these are my ideas… Maybe you agree or don’t, but get some ideas as well…

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3) The Slytherin Locket… ~ I believe that Dumbledore’s brother will lead them to it, only after Hermione figures whom R.A.B is and they realize the locket is no longer at the house and they question Mudungus in Azkaban, which will lead them to the Hog’s Head. ~

4) The Cup of Hufflepuff… We know it is a gold chalice with double handles. We know that Hufflepuff’s element is earth, so it is likely in the ground, somehow, either buried or place somewhere underground. ...~I believe this is hidden in Borgin and Burkes, likely in the cellar or under a floor board, with a protective charm. ~

5) The Tiara of Ravenclaw… ~ I believe that the tiara in the room of requirements is the last founder horcrux, ~

6) Now people are going the 6th horcrux, it is Harry… I do not believe so. My guess is not Nagini, she is an animal and weak and the interpretation of using an animal I believe was JKR throwing us off

… I believe that the house itself is the location and the object, the Riddle Estate is the last horcrux...…It neither thinks, breaths or eats and it is inanimate, an object, just large, as a house it to has protection charms and who would suspect it…

The Riddle Estate itself - that is really interesting. a TROPHY. A house behaving badly. A haunted house, with an evil spirit. ohhhhh classic !!!!! :tu: :tu: :tu: And Nagini guards the house. Bryce the good guardian gotten rid of.... fascinating, really fascinating.

The Riddle Estate itself - that is really interesting. a TROPHY. A house behaving badly. A haunted house, with an evil spirit. ohhhhh classic !!!!! :tu: :tu: :tu: And Nagini guards the house. Bryce the good guardian gotten rid of.... fascinating, really fascinating.I've previously suggested the Shrieking Shack as a possible location. This would fit in somewhat with the one-horcrux-per-book theory. Certainly this would qualify as a house behaving badly, eh what?

The problem with any of the Horcruxes being at Hogwarts, is that Voldemort had left school before finding and making most of them. He returned to Hogwarts only once, and Dumbledore was keeping a close eye on him that time. Of course, it would be in good literary tradition for the final Horcrux to have been under Harry's nose all the time. Is there any particular object at Hogwarts that has been mentioned several times in passing without actually having a function in the story yet?

Well...what about the house cup? must have something to do with one of the founders!

I like the Shrieking shack as a location. I also like the one horcrux per book idea.

I've previously suggested the Shrieking Shack as a possible location. This would fit in somewhat with the one-horcrux-per-book theory. Certainly this would qualify as a house behaving badly, eh what?
Re-read POA - it's not really haunted. The 'haunting' was just a device DD used to provide a place Lupin could be a werewolf in.

Well...what about the house cup? must have something to do with one of the founders!Well, it might, but not necessarily. I imagine the school was much smaller when it was founded, and the house cup was probably introduced many centuries later.

The one horcrux-per-book idea is fascinating - will do some research and get back.

Now, in the meantime, either the horcruxes are somewhere we've been before, or somewhere we haven't (this stands to reason).

Knowing JKR, if they ARE somewhere we have already been, they will be somewhere just dropped in in passing- i.e. NOT somewhere people like us are likely to suggest on a forum like this!

I'll try to think of a way to fit in one horcrux per book and put that up on the 'identifying the horcruxes' thread.

Has anyone suggested Azkaban by the way? This could tie in further with the one-horcrux-per-book idea, for Azkaban is central to book 3. People have always thought Azkaban would be the ideal Voldemort-fort.

As for the Shrieking Shack - it was built for Lupin, when he started at Hogwarts. It wasn't there in Voldemort's day, and it is accessible only through the secret tunnel under the Whomping Willow. It seems an unlikely place for Voldemort to use.

oh goodness me; just had a brain wave; have posted in other threads that I did not think the snake could be a Horcrux because of the prior incantorem in the graveyard but there was a witch that came along also in Albania (have not figured out significance of this geographic location.) LV has a habit of using someone elses wands... what do you brits call the loch ness monster? nagi? hum so... nagi could be a horcrux using MoM witch whatshername's wand to create the horcrux. hum seems to fit. reshearching her name.

Bertha Jorkins

Where does the Loch Ness Monster come into all this?

I'll admit that Scotland's a long way from Cambridge, but I wasn't aware of another name for it - perhaps you mean Nessie (which is an affectionate nickname)? Try checking Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them.

Voldemort's snake is called Nagini. She's nothing to do with the Loch Ness Monster, though.

JKR probably chose Albania for it's remoteness and the vast forests there. Also, where does JKR say that LV uses other people's wands?

Sorry to pick holes in your post like this (Gods know I know what it feels like).

I'm intrigued, though - what made you think of the Loch Ness Monster?

Where does the Loch Ness Monster come into all this??
Well as i said i had a brainwave; i lived in the UK for about 3 years. I remember something about old nagi from living there. Now, i am remembering taping on the neurons, that it was Nessi i think that was associated with Loch Ness monster. so who was naggi or naggy?

I'll admit that Scotland's a long way from Cambridge, but I wasn't aware of another name for it - perhaps you mean Nessie (which is an affectionate nickname)? Try checking Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them.
Yes, that is the old british slang name for the loch ness Monster :tu: Now who is ole naggy or old naggy that i seem to remember from my stay there????

Voldemort's snake is called Nagini. She's nothing to do with the Loch Ness Monster, though. There is just something there about Naggie and Nessie (or some close spelling) of my time I spent in England!
Doh! what was it?

JKR probably chose Albania for it's remoteness and the vast forests there. Also, where does JKR say that LV uses other people's wands?

Used his uncle morfins wand to kill his father and grandparents!!!!!
and i was born accross the water in Tripoli!

Sorry to pick holes in your post like this (Gods know I know what it feels like).?

No, not at all, keeps us on our toes and honest!

I'm intrigued, though - what made you think of the Loch Ness Monster?
I was 15 when i found myself in England; i remember stepping of the plane and saying to myself this place is OLD!... living there learning british terms; visiting places there. Stonehenge...arthur...merlin...the catherdrals. the castles and my surname is Thornberry from Thornburough.....

Well, you get that sort of thing if your country has existed for almost 1000 years... :cool:

As for Nagi, try googling it - no, wait let me

>waits<

Couldn't find it. The free dictionary gave me 'irritable' and Google gave me loads of Japanese stuff. I even tried alternative spellings

Are you sure that it wasn't Maggie? As in Margaret Thatcher? She probably wasn't Prime Minister when you were fifteen (if your age is anything to go by) but she might have been prominent - she was a bit before my time.

Can you think of anything else it might have been - I can't find 'Nagi'.

Oh - they were also a family that ruled in Ireland for a while and then moved to Scotland.

Where abouts in the British Isles were you? Great Britain itself or Ireland?

Naggi seems to be an Italien name, Nagi appears to be Japanese, and I found a Naggy coat of arms http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/naggy-coat-arms.htm]here with German origins, but it really doesn't ring any bells with me. I think you must be confusing it with Nessie.

Could you mean Naga? That's a common mythological beast...

Well, you get that sort of thing if your country has existed for almost 1000 years... Stonehenge is much older than that!
Maggie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher) wasn't a household name 30 years ago, as far as I can remember (I was only 6 then), but she had just become leader of the Conservative party, and became PM in 1979 (I do remember that).

Hmm.

I said the COUNTRY was almost 1000 years old. The political institution of England (now part of Her Britannic Majesty's United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) - NOT the things within it. But maybe we should get back on track....

Well, you get that sort of thing if your country has existed for almost 1000 years... :cool: ?
well it existed but none seem to want to acknowledge that it did; well at least untill lately... I have some Cherokee too :eyebrows:

As for Nagi, try googling it - no, wait let me

>waits<

Couldn't find it. The free dictionary gave me 'irritable' and Google gave me loads of Japanese stuff. I even tried alternative spellings

Are you sure that it wasn't Maggie? As in Margaret Thatcher? She probably wasn't Prime Minister when you were fifteen (if your age is anything to go by) but she might have been prominent - she was a bit before my time.

LOL. No. Don't remember who resided at number 10 back then... but no refrence to Marge.

Can you think of anything else it might have been - I can't find 'Nagi'..

Just seem to remember about both names nagy and ness or something like that...

Oh - they were also a family that ruled in Ireland for a while and then moved to Scotland.

and then moved to the US! :angel: lol; my uncle has traced it back many thousands of years. have not seen the irish aspect of it though nor the Scotland aspect although I am not surprised by that since my middle name is Scott and I seem to like woman with red hair! :rotfl:

Where abouts in the British Isles were you? Great Britain itself or Ireland?
My father was in the USAF. I was born Tripoli Libya, Wheelus AFB. He was stationed at RAF Mildenhol (have forgotten the spelling) we lived at RAF Lakenheath. that was during the later 60s early 70s.

Cheers

P.S. OH and Stonhenge seems the perfect structure to me to house a round table!

Has anyone thought about the green potion that Dumbledore drank from the basin in the cave containing the fake locket horacux?

I think it's obvous now that this potion was put there by RAB who aimed it at Voldemort. So what was Dumbledore experiencing? The note says you will know it was I, perhaps the potion shows RAB in some form torturing the drinker and wanting them to desire death.

RAB would like to think Voldemort would drink this potion, looking for his last horacrux, discovered it gone and probably destroyed, with an insatiable desire to be killed. But leaving the antidote of the lake water to hold him between life and death.

yours in fun
seawhitelady

Storyteller knows some mythology about Naga... a hindu thingy I think.

That's too bad about the shrieking shack. It was a house behaving badly.

Alright - since you beg me, I will re-introduce Albania & Egypt as topics.

I found another Egyptian connection. One of the first Wizard Cards was Ptolemey who was a Greek living in Egypt in the first century AD.

Here is a link to Naga a sankrit term for serpent: NAGA (http://www.thelema.net/ramsey/naga.html)

That's too bad about the shrieking shack. It was a house behaving badly.
Where did this thought of an object behaving badly come up and what is the canon behind it? I have seen it and would tend to agree except dont know if it is factual or not? or maybe not factual but if I should except it...

I mean if this is being based off the diary! i dont think we should follow along with it into the other horcruxes; since it was supposed to be a duo roled thingy.

Hi Lind a luna :whistle:

Does anyone think the Quidditch Cup is really a disguised Hufflepuff Cup... It would have been ingenious of LV to have done this, and further explains why he visited Hogwarts...

I like your list & reasoning, but Voldie didn't kill Heppy personally, the elf Hokey did it, with poison in the cocoa. Voldie is responsible for it. That leaves Tom Riddle {pops} Mr. Riddle {gramps} Mrs. Riddle {grams} Dorcas Meadows James Potter Lily Potter Frank Bryce Madam Bones?

i dont think Hokey did it persay. just as morfin did not kill the tri-riddles.

I agree he didn't make James or Lily a horcrux, lacking time before becoming Vapormort & losing ability to hold a wand, so that leaves the list of "personal murders" at: Tom Riddle {pops} Mr. Riddle {gramps} Mrs. Riddle {grams} Dorcas Meadows Frank Bryce Madam Bones
Coincidentally SIX (6) murders !!!

Well there was Bertie Jorken (sp) too; and lots of rats and other critters that we know of; and then there is the 10 years that he was away; after he left B&B and then came back to ask for a teaching post. then there is the time period after that. I think he has killed plenty of peps muggle and magical.

Hmm.

I said the COUNTRY was almost 1000 years old. The political institution of England (now part of Her Britannic Majesty's United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) - NOT the things within it. But maybe we should get back on track....

sorry thats my bad i dont know what I was thinking. either that or i didnt have my classes on. can be put in the file under mis-interpretation, or incorect interpretation!

cheers

well it existed but none seem to want to acknowledge that it did; well at least untill lately... I have some Cherokee too :eyebrows:



LOL. No. Don't remember who resided at number 10 back then... but no refrence to Marge.



Just seem to remember about both names nagy and ness or something like that...



and then moved to the US! :angel: lol; my uncle has traced it back many thousands of years. have not seen the irish aspect of it though nor the Scotland aspect although I am not surprised by that since my middle name is Scott and I seem to like woman with red hair! :rotfl:


My father was in the USAF. I was born Tripoli Libya, Wheelus AFB. He was stationed at RAF Mildenhol (have forgotten the spelling) we lived at RAF Lakenheath. that was during the later 60s early 70s.

Cheers

P.S. OH and Stonhenge seems the perfect structure to me to house a round table!


I went to school near RAF Mildenhall and RAF Lakenheath.

Lol! JKR has red hair... :eyebrows:


I think DD was correct in his supposition that Voldy reserved horcrux-making for particularly important murders (like the Potters' or the Riddles')

If We know this for certain then why is everyone rejecting the possibility as using the murder of lily or james for a horcrux? If he needs 6 horcruxes to make a 7 part soul than didn't he HAVE to use their murders to make his 6th horcrux.

Or can you save a murder to make a horcrux...i.e. Voldie kills someone butit wears him out, he has a little snackity snack (hmmm, LV's favorite snack...what woud it be? mighty be the next thread I start...), takes a little nappity nap in his hammock and footie pajamas and makes a horcrux out of Hufflepuff's cup two days later.

Or do the Horcruxes have to be made shortly after the killing? Do we know any of this? Because if there is no time limit between a murder and the birth of a horcrux then speculation becomes for more difficult.



Disagree entirely, Kill voldemort with AK, turn him to vapormort, chuck the other horcruxes through the veil, drop an atomic bomb on them, whatever....

Vapormort is still around but probably not hard to kill when in Albania he possesed snakes, all you'd need to kill those is a shovel...Quirrelmort or Babymort could have been killed with a colored pencil and a bit of enthusiasm.

I agree that Murder is not the same as killing in self defence, but I do think that it it still rips your soul, but it can be repaired, by love.
Voldy can save the murders, because his soul does not heal, because he has not known love, this is part of the Shamananistic Beliefs.
He can not make a horocrux from Lily or Jame's death however, because when the AK spell backfired on him, the pieces from those two murders were torn out of his body and destroyed, that is what destroyed his body. That was when the piece of Voldy touched Harry.

I was reading around in another forum and I saw something about the screaming mother at 12 Grimauld Place (sp?) and how Harry thought that there was a door behind that piscture. If there indeed was a door behind her, wouldn't that be a very unreachable place to put a Horcrux? No one would ever think to look there.

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She said in an interview in the PoA dvd. Alfonso was discussing where harry ron and hermione were going to stand to see the execution of buckbeak, he wanted them in the graveyard, but she said they couldnt as it has to be somewhere else. she also mentioned she put in clues leading to the final books. could there be something in the grave yard that is related to a horcrux? :huh:

[QUOTE]If Riddle/Voldemort was not able to hide a Horcrux within Hogwarts itself, then I think we can look for one in the surrounding area; perhaps in the Forbidden Forest, Hogsmeade, or the supposed graveyard that exists at Hogwarts (if there is one...JKR implied there might be one in an interview)
She said in an interview in the PoA dvd. Alfonso was discussing where harry ron and hermione were going to stand to see the execution of buckbeak, he wanted them in the graveyard, but she said they couldnt as it has to be somewhere else. she also mentioned she put in clues leading to the final books

But there was a way into Hogwarts.... The vanashing cabinet, we know Malfoy uses this to gain access for the death eaters. Riddle worked at B&B where the other cabinet was, he could have easily have known their ability if Malfoy figured it out, I think Riddle could to.

It is possible that there is one in the surrounding area, except the cemetery at Hogwarts is not on the grounds. It is inside the castle, that is what JKR said when a director wanted to show a cemetery on the grounds in a film, she did not want them showing what was not true, her cemetery is one we have not seen and it inside the castle.

I was reading around in another forum and I saw something about the screaming mother at 12 Grimauld Place (sp?) and how Harry thought that there was a door behind that piscture. If there indeed was a door behind her, wouldn't that be a very unreachable place to put a Horcrux? No one would ever think to look there.

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Well along those lines I thought of the Chamber of Secrets. a place only the Heir of Slytherin was supposed to have been able to open; what better place? especially early on? I think maybe HH cup is hidden there maybe something else but it is contingent upon when did LV make his first horcrux? I think it would have been pretty soon after he spoke with Sluggy about them. If you are in the pursuit of something you dont get some critical info and then wait 10 years to do something with it. but then the key there is when did he learn the incantation? I think I will go back and re-read the effects of the dementoids :rotfl: kiss. I seem to remember Snape saying something in class; let me check hermione's notes! :huh:

edit--well nothging there only that he was huddled and blank eyed.

But remember we have already seen a horcrux in the Chamber of Secrets: the diary (ok, ok, it wasn't there all the time, but still... it is possible the Chamber won't be revisited).

Perhaps a profitable line of enquiry can instead be found with a JKR quote, saying that a prominent room to feature in book 7 will be one that HP has been in, but does not realise the significance of yet....

What about the shrieking shack?

While I do not know of any direct or indirect connection to Voldemort, it does seem like a rather secure place ot hide a horocrux. No one would come near it, believing it to be haunted.

It is connected to the school, and a creation of Dumbledore's, according to its enclyclopedia entry.

Would it appeal to Voldemort's viscious sense of symmetry to have his greatest enemy craft a place to keep his treasured possessions secure?

But remember we have already seen a horcrux in the Chamber of Secrets: the diary (ok, ok, it wasn't there all the time, but still... it is possible the Chamber won't be revisited).I agree that we may not see the Chamber again. It was Slytherin's special place and Slytherin's token was placed at the site of Tommy's youthful, wandless torturing of two orphans.
Perhaps a profitable line of enquiry can instead be found with a JKR quote, saying that a prominent room to feature in book 7 will be one that HP has been in, but does not realise the significance of yet....:huh: ??? That's a really old quote and refers to the Room of Requirement. The quote was made between GoF and OotP and was a hint to a place Harry would go in Book 5. (Unless there has been an interview I missed since HBP...)
What about the shrieking shack?It really shouldn't have any significance to Tommymort. It was built for Remus who attended school more than two decades after Tommy left. Though I do like the irony factor, and can not say with any certainty that the Shrieking Shack is not a horcrux location, we have other places to look where we knowTommymort has been--and the SS isn't one of them.

I agree that we may not see the Chamber again. It was Slytherin's special place and Slytherin's token was placed at the site of Tommy's youthful, wandless torturing of two orphans.
:huh: ??? That's a really old quote and refers to the Room of Requirement. The quote was made between GoF and OotP and was a hint to a place Harry would go in Book 5. (Unless there has been an interview I missed since HBP...)


Well, I think the Chamber would be a good place to hide something even temporarily. Since, it had been hidden for centuries and only the Heir of Slytherin could open it! A parselmouth. TR would see it as being a very secure place to store things. and this brings back that nagging question again. Why did he want to come back to Hogwarts? Why did he want to stay there over the summer after opening the chamber and MM died? I mean really? why did LV want a teaching job when he really didnt want to teach, or ask for the post that he new AD would not give him? what are you after really Tom?

Is it not significant how the quote was worded? I thought it had said something about once before! where was that bit from? which interview please?

Is it not significant how the quote was worded? I thought it had said something about once before! where was that bit from? which interview please?
Okay... Q: Intentional?

JKR: Yes. It's symbolic. Harry's horizons are literally and metaphorically widening as he grows older. But also there are places in the world that I've been planning for so long and thinking about for so long that we haven't yet explored, and it's great fun. That will happen in book 5, too; we go into a whole new area, physically, an area you've never seen before, a magical world. The above quote is about the Ministry of Magic, I believe. The following quote is about the Room of Requirement, I believe. Isaac -If you could travel to Hogwarts for an hour, what would you do there?

JKR: Go straight into a certain room, mentioned in book four which has certain magical properties Harry hasn't discovered yet!

Perhaps I'm getting muddled.

>checks QQQ (Quick Quotes Quill)<

Yes, I was wrong. Sorry about that - the quote was indeed about OoTP. :rolleyes:

Forget that, then.

I agree that we may not see the Chamber again. It was Slytherin's special place and Slytherin's token was placed at the site of Tommy's youthful, wandless torturing of two orphans.
This is interesting, I know movies aren't canon, however, in COS at the end of the movie DD states that the chamber has been sealed forever. I don't think JKR would have allowed that to be put into the movie if the chamber was going to be significant in later books.

Yes, I was wrong. Sorry about that - the quote was indeed about OoTP.I admire your maturity in admitting that! :tu:

JKR has told us that Harry knows more than he thinks he does. Not sure if she specifically meant that he knows more about the horcruxes and their locations, but it was in response to a question about how in the world he could complete the task of finding and destroying them.

So for horcrux locations based on places we know Voldemort has been at some point in his life, we are looking at: Nottingham, the Meadowes home, Ollivander's, Borgin & Burkes, Albania, the field where V realized he could talk to snakes, and the Smith home...and maybe there is one at Hogwarts that was meant to be more 'permanently' placed than the diary.

We have reasoned out: Godric's Hollow (it's the site of a terrible defeat), the Crouch home, the Ministry, the Shrieking Shack (no proof he's been there), the Riddle home (lumped with the Gaunt Hovel and Little Hangleton because V wouldn't put horcruxes so close together), and the orphanage (no one seems to think V would put one there other than me, so...I let it go).

Can't help but think I missed some again...on one or both lists!

We can also discuss where Harry might find the locket, since it has been moved from its magically protected place. It could be at #12 Grimmauld Place (in a perpetual trash bin; in Kreacher's "bedroom"), with Mundungus Fletcher, with Aberforth Dumbledore (Hog's Head barman), Borgin & Burkes (either because Borgin is RAB, or because Dung pawned it, or just because it's been there before!) or some other place totally unthought of at this point...

I wonder where the pensive came from? seems like it would fall under RR. Wit = Know...
what was ADs coment about getting to many thoughts? hum. but kind of scary tipping into something that had part of LVs soul in it...

The goblet of fire comes to mind too. something to analyse; to know the best of each school... It surely did behave badly too! :p

Speaking of fire that jogs a neuron about something JKR said about the houses and wanting them to represent the elements; water, earth, wind and fire.

I have had a thought to about if Tommy boy picked a cave from his childhood; I wonder what might be at the other sight the children were taken to in the country? I wonder if that might be Godric Hollow area?

I just cant get this out of my head. Why did LV want to stay during the summer of his 5th year! why did he want to stay on after his seventh? why did he come back 10 years later again seeking to come back to Hogwarts? Then the diary was supposed to have been kept for a time of LVs choosing, was this supposed to be away for him to get back in to hogwarts? There is something there; To many references to Hogwarts being a safe place. Secure.

Maybe he really did not want to go back to the orphanage. On the other hand, he may have thought that during the summer, much less people would be in Hogwarts and he could explore it more thoroughly.

I wonder if it is possible that the Weasleys are descended from Rowena Ravenclaw. We know they are purebloods, etc, so this seems possible. and if, in fact, the tiara in the RoR IS ravenclaw's, could the tiara mentioned by molly match it? i.e., could they possibly be a set that got broken up?

You wouldn't automatically need to be a Pureblood to be a descendant of one of the founders - look at Voldemort. It would be unlikely that a descendant of a founder would be Muggleborn (even here it's possible if a wizard ancestor is somewhat anonymous), but apart from that Half-Bloods and Squibs certainly can't be ruled out.

So looking at Purebloods doesn't really help with tracking down possible founder relatives nor any Horcruxes they may have.

Knowing Voldemort's fiendish intelligence, he is most likely to have stored at least a few of the remaining horcruxes in very secure places. Once he got to his target of six, he could probably afford to have one or two in more vulnerable places (like the ring) but it is likely he would have had at least two 'safe bet' horcruxes in case the others were destroyed.

Has anyone suggested Azkaban? (I don't know if this has been suggested yet). After all, the place WAS run by dementors for most of living memory...

Or possibly the Slytherin common room? (or anywhere in Slytherin House, actually).

Knowing Voldemort's fiendish intelligence, he is most likely to have stored at least a few of the remaining horcruxes in very secure places. Once he got to his target of six, he could probably afford to have one or two in more vulnerable places (like the ring) but it is likely he would have had at least two 'safe bet' horcruxes in case the others were destroyed.
The horcrux objects he would need to be careful to hide well would be the locket and the cup, since the Smith family would be looking for them both. This may apply to the object of Ravenclaw's too, depending on what it is and from whom Voldemort obtained it.

Has anyone suggested Azkaban? (I don't know if this has been suggested yet). After all, the place WAS run by dementors for most of living memory...
Yes, based on the Hut on the Rock being foreshadowing. I wonder what you could hide there that wouldn't look suspicious.

Or possibly the Slytherin common room? (or anywhere in Slytherin House, actually).
There aren't really any Slytherin-related horcruxes unaccounted for, though (unless you count Nagini).

True....

The Azkaban horcrux could be located anywhere. Under a paving stone in a cell? On the mantlepiece of the head warden's office?

It's a big world. Although I don't think JKR will put one of the horcruxes in Botswana, somehow...

The problem with any of the Horcruxes being at Hogwarts, is that Voldemort had left school before finding and making most of them.

if this were the case voldemort could find a way of taking the horcrux into Hogwarts just like with the diary. however, i don't think the horcruxes or horcrux is in hogwarts, if it were surely dumbledore would have found it? i could obviously be very very wrong!

Here's a quick rundown of the one-horcrux-per-book theory since I brought it up a few pages ago. Basically, a lot of us got the idea from the fact that the Locket was probably first mentioned in Order of the Phoenix. Then we know that the Diary was first mentioned in Chamber of Secrets and Nagini was first mentioned in Goblet of Fire.

There are a few tricks in order to accept this theory. Either the Ring or the Cup has to have been mentioned in either Philosopher's Stone or Prisoner of Azkaban or one of them isn't an horcrux. We know that the Ring is first mentioned in Half-Blood Prince leaving just the Cup in question. Some people have speculated that the house cup in Philosopher's Stone could really be Hufflepuff's Cup, while others speculate that her Cup is hiding among Trelawny's teacups in Prisoner of Azkaban. I don't profess that these theories are flawless; I'm just relaying them.

Further, there is one horcrux that we don't know about. Could this be Ravenclaw's Wand in Ollivander's shop window? It would fit the theory, eh? But then what about the Dark Lord's own soul piece to which we are introduced in Philosopher's Stone, leaving us a completely new object in Book 7.

Finally, there really isn't a lot of evidence to support this theory, it just seems like something that JKR would do to be oh so clever. There are a lot of other theories in connection with this one, including more wand theories, azkaban and shrieking shack theories, etc. It's just really hard to really pin down one thing and stick to it.

Re-read POA - it's not really haunted. The 'haunting' was just a device DD used to provide a place Lupin could be a werewolf in.Yes, I know the history of the shrieking shack quite well, and I really said that more as a joke, since I personally don't like the whole objects-behaving-badly theories. But the shrieking shack was a place where the Dark Lord could have gone. It wasn't built in Lupin's year, rather it became seriously haunted while he was at school. There were rumours before Lupin, but Dumbledore just further encouraged the rumours. And it does seem to be a very intersting place...perhaps the whole scene in Prisoner of Azkaban was a red herring, eh what?

The annoying thing is, that somewhere in this thread, or one of its previous incarnations, someone, somewhere, is probably 95% right.

The only problem is: which person - and which 95%?

Although, knowing JKR, she probably has an Ace of Moons up her sleeve...

JKR: Go straight into a certain room, mentioned in book four which has certain magical properties Harry hasn't discovered yet! [/fieldset]

I wonder if the magical property is that not only can the room equip you with whatever equipment you want, but can bring rooms from different locations to you or transport you there, ie. I want to go to Egypt, I want to be in the locked room in the DoM. If he left the room in another location, he might not be able to use it to get back to Hogwarts, but he could apperate without anyone knowing it was him. That would take care of our time it takes to get to a location problem.

Maybe he really did not want to go back to the orphanage. On the other hand, he may have thought that during the summer, much less people would be in Hogwarts and he could explore it more thoroughly.While I like the exploration idea (and I agree), it seems Tommy probably did stay at the school that summer (except for a brief jaunt to kill the three Riddles and mess with Uncle Morfin's head). The Muggles were very involved in World War II and the orphanages routinely kicked boys out at age 15 or 16 (even before that war). Tommy might not have been welcome back there for the simple reason of being too old and therefore had no other place to stay for the summers.
But the shrieking shack was a place where the Dark Lord could have gone. It wasn't built in Lupin's year, rather it became seriously haunted while he was at school.Sorry to contradict you, but...Lupin sighed and looked directly at Harry. "I told you, months ago, that the Whomping Willow was planted the year I came to Hogwarts. The truth is that it was planted because I came to Hogwarts. This house"---Lupin looked miserably around the room---"the tunnel that leads to it---they were built for my use...."
The annoying thing is, that somewhere in this thread, or one of its previous incarnations, someone, somewhere, is probably 95% right.
And most of us have probably pooh-poohed it, too! :lol: (It was certainly the case in trying to determine who the HBP was ahead of time!)

Sorry to contradict you, but...Lupin sighed and looked directly at Harry. "I told you, months ago, that the Whomping Willow was planted the year I came to Hogwarts. The truth is that it was planted because I came to Hogwarts. This house"---Lupin looked miserably around the room---"the tunnel that leads to it---they were built for my use...."Oh, well, that's not the first time I've just gone by my memory and been very wrong. I thought that the shack had only become haunted during those years, but existed before. Thanks for keeping us in line!

Oh, well, that's not the first time I've just gone by my memory and been very wrong. I thought that the shack had only become haunted during those years, but existed before. Thanks for keeping us in line!
Like it hasn't happened to me, too?!?! :lol: I was lucky enough to remember where to look for the quote...I'm just happy that we can probably eliminate the Shack as a horcrux location, it really wouldn't have any meaning for V and we have no evidence that he ever visited it. Even in the scene where the DEs are waiting in Hogsmeade for the interview to end, there is no hint that he visited the Shack (and I'm not sure about the exact timing, but it may not have been built at the time of the interview; that, or it was still really new and the haunting part wasn't much more than a small rumor/whisper at that time).

And most of us have probably pooh-poohed it, too! :lol: (It was certainly the case in trying to determine who the HBP was ahead of time!)
I personally would be just shocked if it was the door knocker, on the door to DD's office. That one went down pretty fast for most people on this thread, but it keeps creeping back up.
My favorites are the Tiara, someone else also mentioned the one in the RoR and Aunt B's being a pair. I am glad I am not the only one who thought it a possability. When I brought it up in the last thread no one commented on it at all.
Then you have the wand in Olivander's window, I haad this whole window theory, the snakes cage was a display window, link to Voldy, TR has a troughy in the display case at Hgwarts, the wand is in Olivander's display window.
The Golden Snitch that James was always playing with. The original field was on a moor that used to belong to Gryfendor. Which brings me back to Godrick's Hollow. Voldy could have planted the Horocrux at GH before his defeat by the one year old, so you can't totally discount it. I tink it is more likely that he had one, tht he had already made, and wasgoing to hide it in GH, but since his body was destroyed and he did not tell the person he was with about it, it got left there and someone from the MoM found it and it is in the locked room in the DoM or the item was destroyed, which is why Voldy had to use Nagini to make the sixth horocrux. He wanted to use the sword, but since DD knew he was back and he did not kill Harry, he was not sure he could get into Hogwarts to take it.

Voldy could have planted the Horocrux at GH before his defeat by the one year old, so you can't totally discount it. I tink it is more likely that he had one, tht he had already made, and wasgoing to hide it in GH, but since his body was destroyed and he did not tell the person he was with about it, it got left there and someone from the MoM found it and it is in the locked room in the DoM or the item was destroyed, which is why Voldy had to use Nagini to make the sixth horocrux. He wanted to use the sword, but since DD knew he was back and he did not kill Harry, he was not sure he could get into Hogwarts to take it.The Dark Lord wouldn't want any of his horcruxes that close to some of his most hated enemies, viz. the Potters. He only wished to make the murder of Harry a horcrux significant murder. I doubt he brought the horcrux to be along in his pocket. Remember that the Dark Lord, even though he probably didn't tell anyone of his horcrux plans, is still extremely paranoid that someone could find and destroy them, hence the great protection he put on the Locket and the Ring.

I think given what we know about the locket and the ring, we can assume that the remaining horcruxes arenot going to be in obvious or accessible places. If Tom went to the trouble of hiding the locket in that cave with all those enchantments and protections, then it seems highly unlikely that he would just 'leave' a hrocrux in hogwarts or anywhere else.

But it is possible he would protect some more than others. With the first few, it is likely he will have made them very secure - as a 'safe bet' in case some of the later ones (made when he was feeling a little more reckless with them) were found.

This would enable him to have some less well-protected than others - imagine, being blase about horcruxes.

The locket was a horcrux made from the deaths of those two kids from the orphanage, although the origin of the potion is questionable - it has been suggested it was something actually placed by 'R.A.B.' - remember, it made DD desire death. That would be the last thing LV would desire, so it could be RAB's poetic revenge....

All just MH(APW)O, of course.

Do we know the extent of Regulus' magical abilities? Would he have been able to concoct such a potion? Given everything we know about the wizarding world, I would say the only person capable of brewing this potion is Snape!

However, LV getting more confident and 'reckless' with each horcrux seems like a perfectly plausible scenario... He was always too arrogant.

However, LV getting more confident and 'reckless' with each horcrux seems like a perfectly plausible scenario... He was always too arrogant.I agree that this seems most likely in the scenario that the Dark Lord has some more easily accessible horcruxes. But for his precious horcruxes, I don't think that even the Dark Lord's arrogance would have kept him from making elaborate hiding places and booby traps. I think that the other three horcruxes which Harry will have to find will all be hidden similarly to the Locket and the Ring. They will be in places of significance to the Dark Lord, and they will be under great protection from looters.

Holy Cow!!!!
Take a couple days off and have to read 20 odd pages to get caught up!!! Been busy while I was away!!
Lots of new exciting ideas and some re hashes too, I see. Well my two knuts worth involves the elements. Seeing that the locket was found in water (sort of) and the ring appears to have been protected by fire, The cup will be buried somewhere. (might need a niffler to find it) WHERE??? I still like Albania for that one. Seeing that we know what the cup looks like (or at least Harry does) finding it in an previously unknow location will make it easier to find (YA RIGHT) But IF there is no globetrotting involved, I'm liking the graveyard idea. Which one?, haven't decided yet. Although Azkaban would be interesting. Only thing with that location, I don't see it being a location LV would deem 'worthy'. Not much significance in his life. If we find out where the founders were laid to rest, maybe, but underground somewhere for sure.
As for the RR item, I'm still on the fence on what it might be. As to where it is hidden, this will be somewhere we have been or seen before. The only problem with this is that JKR has shown us SO many good hidey holes, how do you choose! If we stick to the element theory, somewhere in the air or invisible. I wonder about the astronomy tower, there were so many references to it throughout HBP, could they have been infering to more than DD's supposed demise? It is the Bloody Barons favorite spot to hang out, he's Slytherines ghost, and he is kinda invisible. Could he have the RR item stashed up there somewhere??

If we stick to the element theory, somewhere in the air or invisible. I wonder about the astronomy tower, there were so many references to it throughout HBP, could they have been infering to more than DD's supposed demise? It is the Bloody Barons favorite spot to hang out, he's Slytherines ghost, and he is kinda invisible. Could he have the RR item stashed up there somewhere??I don't think that ghosts really concern themselves too much in the affairs of the living, so he wouldn't have helped the Dark Lord.

I think given what we know about the locket and the ring, we can assume that the remaining horcruxes arenot going to be in obvious or accessible places. If Tom went to the trouble of hiding the locket in that cave with all those enchantments and protections, then it seems highly unlikely that he would just 'leave' a hrocrux in hogwarts or anywhere else.

I completely agree. Voldemort went to an incredible amount of trouble to guard a single one of his horcruxes. Think what that cave entailed: Not only the creation of about a hundred Inferi (and performing the necessary hundred murders) but magically hollowing out a massive cavern, laying out the spells that prevent apparition and portkeys, making an invisible boat, and inventing an entirely new potion with highly eccentric properties that make it useless for anything other than what it was designed for. He also had to create a magical barrier and do any number of other things like make the locket unsummonable and have spells that would allow the Inferi to recognize attempts to steal the Horcrux (they didn't seem very bright to me). And he had to perform all this incredibly complex magic, and move all these materials, while the ministry was on constant lookout for strange magical activity.

Similarly, this means that Voldemort is unlikely to put a horcrux anywhere near any place where there is the slightest chance of something happening to it accidently. If you want my two cents, I think that the Horcrux quest will lend itself to something similar to the format of book 4, but with Horcruxes instead of tasks and it being four times as difficult (seeing as there will be four of them).

I think that the Horcrux quest will lend itself to something similar to the format of book 4, but with Horcruxes instead of tasks and it being four times as difficult (seeing as there will be four of them).

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If you want my two cents, I think that the Horcrux quest will lend itself to something similar to the format of book 4, but with Horcruxes instead of tasks and it being four times as difficult (seeing as there will be four of them).Not only would this horcrux quest be very similar to the tasks in Goblet of Fire, but it bears a striking resemblance to the seven tasks Harry, Ron, and Hermione underwent to find the Philosopher's Stone in Philosopher's Stone. Just off the top of my head, the way the trio had to fight a magical beast is remarkably similar to Harry's exploits in the Chamber of Secrets in Chamber of Secrets. And the jump into the patch of Devil's Snare is also very similar to the Quest for the Locket in the Cave in Half-Blood Prince. I'll have to think about this more before I go connecting anything else, but thanks for the idea!

I believe that one of the Horcruxes will be found at Godrick's Hollow. After all, DD stated that he believes that one of the remaining horcruxes could be a relic of or something belonging to GG.

Lilly and James' house, being called Godricks Hollow leaves me to believe that this was once land belonging to GG and, therfore, the kind of place that Voldy would have gone looking for or hiding an item in...

What does everyone else think? Will Harry find the last Horcrux at GH? Will Harry relive his first battle with Voldy at GH? Sounds like a good ending to me!

I believe that one of the Horcruxes will be found at Godrick's Hollow. After all, DD stated that he believes that one of the remaining horcruxes could be a relic of or something belonging to GG.

Lilly and James' house, being called Godricks Hollow leaves me to believe that this was once land belonging to GG and, therfore, the kind of place that Voldy would have gone looking for or hiding an item in...

What does everyone else think? Will Harry find the last Horcrux at GH? Will Harry relive his first battle with Voldy at GH? Sounds like a good ending to me!
DD stated that the relic would be "something of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor's", but seeing as how the only known relic of GG's (pointing to sword) was "Safe", conclusively that leaves the relic to be something of RR's.

VM hid his Horcruxes in places that were important to HIM. The Cave served no importance to any of the Founder's, nor did the Gaunt home.

DD stated that the sword it the only known relic of GG's...if Voldy wanted to find something else that belonged to him, it makes sense to me that he would search GG's homeland.

DD himself does not rule out a relic of GG's. If he was sure that the sword was all that was left he would have said so.

If we stick to the element theory, somewhere in the air or invisible.
Maybe both! [Harry says] "But they could be anywhere in the world---hidden---buried or invisible---"I'm going with Albania for anywhere in the world, Hufflepuff's cup being buried (maybe in Albania!) and Ravenclaw's relic being invisible...:lol:

Maybe both! [Harry says] "But they could be anywhere in the world---hidden---buried or invisible---"I'm going with Albania for anywhere in the world, Hufflepuff's cup being buried (maybe in Albania!) and Ravenclaw's relic being invisible...:lol:Tut, tut. Where is your faith? Of course I know you're joking. ;)

As far as Godric's Hollow goes, SageThyme just made an excellent point about the locations of other known horcruxes. The Gaunt House and the Cave were both locations important to the Dark Lord, not the founders. Once again, he probably wouldn't hide an horcrux in a location so close to enemies like Lily and James Potter.

sorry, looking back at my post I realise that I didn't quite mean what I had written.

I meant that Godrick's Hollow will provide a clue to the horcrux, that Harry will discover what the horcrux is whilst at GH. After all, as far as we know, GH has not changed since the night of the deaths. I'm presuming that L & J's stuff and research is there. And that the final fight may ensue there, not necessarily at the same time.

Actually, if Voldy had not completed his horcruxes before his first "death" who is to say that he didn't plant a horcrux at GH after the death's of L & J? Surely Voldy would see this as the ultimate insult to GG's and L & K's memory, to insult them by installing his very soul in the heart of GG country!

I agree with you about a clue being in Godric's Hollow. Someone gave a really good possibility as to what sort of clue the other day, but I can't find it just now. Perhaps they'll show up again.

However, do you honestly think that Godric's Hollow would be a place of great sentimental value to the Dark Lord considering that was the place of his first fall?

I don't think of it as being a sentimental thing. I think he'd see it as a power thing.

After all, the cave seems to be a place where Voldy first seemed to notice his real power to influence people and invest images and feelings into them. All what we would term as torture. power.

The hovel that the last Slytherins lived in would certainly not be a place of sentimental value to Voldy, a place lke that! Voldy would not dream of admitting to that being the family home. He hated his relatives enough to frame one for murder! But the hovel, well, that place was one were he felt related to the Slytherin's best enough to be the place to hide the Slytherin's relic. S's relic in S's last descendants home...mmm.

The hovel that the last Slytherins lived in would certainly not be a place of sentimental value to Voldy, a place lke that! Voldy would not dream of admitting to that being the family home. He hated his relatives enough to frame one for murder! But the hovel, well, that place was one were he felt related to the Slytherin's best enough to be the place to hide the Slytherin's relic. S's relic in S's last descendants home...mmm.I wouldn't say that he hated the Gaunts. He just didn't care for them. He certainly hated his muggle family, which is why he killed them. But Godric's Hollow will forever be in the mind of the Dark Lord a place of failure. He wouldn't want that sort of connection with one of his horcruxes.

Tut, tut. Where is your faith? Of course I know you're joking. ;):lol: While I was laughing (because I found the quote while looking for another one, totally different), I do think the ideas viable. JKR foreshadows things with the most subtle character comments...
he probably wouldn't hide an horcrux in a location so close to enemies like Lily and James Potter.I agree that it doesn't seem likely. Unless in Voldemort's warped mind, he came to think of GH events as a triumph instead of a defeat (it proved that his horcruxes had made him "immortal"). But if GH is the site of a horcrux, it would have to be one of the following:
a) one that was moved from its original placement (a place that held significance to V)
b) one that was created post-GH (maybe Nagini is esconced in the Potter house now, or some other object, possibly the object that must have been available for the horcrux that was intended to be made from Harry's death at GH)
c) an extra one to replace the loss of the Diary horcrux

And I say that because GH had no significance to Voldemort (beyond the slight possibility that he might have thought to place a horcruxed-Gryffindor relic in a village that shared a founder name) before he went there to kill the Potters. The village is named Godric's Hollow, but we don't know what the Potter home was called (if anything other than by some number we don't know). Yet we seem to assume that GH is the Potter home. (I am often guilty of lumping them together...:blush: ) So, would V place a horcrux somewhere else in the neighborhood, or at the Potter home? How long did the Pottes live in GH? They were in hiding before the FC, did they stay in one place or move around like Slughorn (ie, the house in GH is just a hiding place and not the family "home")?

But the hovel, well, that place was one were he felt related to the Slytherin's best enough to be the place to hide the Slytherin's relic. S's relic in S's last descendants home...mmm.
Actually, V put the Peverell ring at the Gaunt home and not the Slytherin locket. Marvolo makes a big deal out of the locket belonging to Salazar, but does not even attempt to make the same claim for the ring (and I think if he could have tied both of them to Sal, he would have). Looks like a Peverell married a Slytherin descendent at some early point in the family history.

Where did this thought of an object behaving badly come up and what is the canon behind it?
Hem hem. That's my theory - and note that I know this is the tracking thread, so I'll be brief.
Book that won't be read (shrieks/face in it = Voldie's face on Quirrell's head/movie), SS/PS
Diary that repels ink, COS
Necklace that won't be worn, COS, HBP
Locket that won't be opened, OOP, HBP
Ring that won't be worn, HPB
Cup...that won't be drunk from...? HBP

That's why I liked the Riddle house as an object and location, as a house that won't be lived in, ie house behaving badly. I like Hogwarts as a horcrux object & location but the problem to me is that it isn't behaving badly. So I remain with it as a location because it was so meaningful to Voldie.

Note: "Merlin's Teapot" mentioned by Burke in HBP, is similar to that tea set that attacks it's users in COS that Mr. Weasley mentions. Kingwidgit posted this originally. Problem: Tho' an object behaving badly, I can't connect it to a founder.

In terms of tracking traces of magic: things behaving badly seems like a good clue. Another good location clue will be electronic gadgets going crazy as Hermy says about people coming near Hogwarts. And there was the helicopter that almost crashed in a field in Surrey OOP, Ch.1 when Harry was listening to the news for clues that muggles wouldn't understand..

I like Godric's Hollow but not as a horcrux location. It's meaning to Voldemort is as a Waterloo, not as a location of triumph. I agree the horcrux location theme we have is that they will have been placed ORIGINALLY in locations important to Voldie though where they are now is a different story.

I think Harry will go back in time to be at Godric's Hollow because he went there repeatedly in POA when the dementors were near and he was getting obsessively curious about it, like he did with the corridors in MOM in OOP.

And what about that stair that won't be stepped on?

Looks like a Peverell married a Slytherin descendent at some early point in the family history.Or the Slyth's stole it. Or won it. Seems like HOW it was acquired should have been well known to old wizarding families from the way Gaunt was talking.

I still like Gringott's Bank as a location. I think Quirrell put something IN there during the robbery where nothing was stolen. It was mentioned obsessively in Book One as a location you wouldn't want to steal anything from. It was connected to Voldie by the "failed" robbery in that book. If Voldie did have an Albanian horcrux (or two), maybe he brought it back with him and put it in the bank?

"Merlin's Teapot" mentioned by Burke in HBP, is similar to that tea set that attacks it's users in COS that Mr. Weasley mentions. Kingwidgit posted this originally. Problem: Tho' an object behaving badly, I can't connect it to a founder.Merlin should pre-date the founders and an item of his would be a truly ancient relic, worthy, perhaps, from its mere age along with its connection to a revered wizard...
I think Harry will go back in time to be at Godric's HollowIf he does, it will likely be via pensieve memories. Not only are the time-turners smashed, but they didn't suit the purpose of travelling back that far (each turn is an hour...that's a lot of turns for 15-16 years back!). They also offer no means of Harry getting back to the present without reliving all those years...a 15-16 year journey back to the present would mean a lot more books with Harry's adventures in avoiding himself and everyone else he knows...So the best way currently available to Harry to relive the events at the Potter hiding place is with the pensieve. Could be his own memory, Voldemort's memory, or the memory of "the lurker"--the other person present for the Potter murders...

No one thinks much of the "country" where Tommy realized he could talk to snakes? And maybe where he learned to possess small animals (though it's probably just Imperio)? [Tommy says] "It's...it's magic, what I can do?"
[Albus says] "What is it that you can do?"
"All sorts," breathed Riddle. A flush of excitement was rising up his neck into his hollow cheeks; he looked fevered. "I can make things move without touching them. I can make animals do what I want them to do, without training them. I can make bad things happen to people who annoy me. I can make them hurt if I want to."
<snip>
...Riddle said, "I can speak to snakes. I found out when we've been to the country on trips---they find me, they whisper to me. Is that normal for a wizard?"I'm sure Tommy quickly learned that Parseltongue was an uncommon "gift". I did a bit of research about orphanages in the 20s and 30s (and it's hard to get much about the wards and their activities), and it seems that some had arrangements to take the children on the same excursions (ie, to the same places) year after year. For Tommy, this would have been the trip to the seaside (near the cave) and the "country". Neither is necessarily close to the other, nor to the orphanage.

And there was the helicopter that almost crashed in a field in Surrey OOP, Ch.1 when Harry was listening to the news for clues that muggles wouldn't understand..Well, that might be the place in the country...
I still like Gringott's Bank as a location. I think Quirrell put something IN there during the robbery where nothing was stolen. It was mentioned obsessively in Book One as a location you wouldn't want to steal anything from. It was connected to Voldie by the "failed" robbery in that book. If Voldie did have an Albanian horcrux (or two), maybe he brought it back with him and put it in the bank?Looks like it will be the "invisible" item then! But Quirrell did that job before becoming Quirrellmort...not sure where Vapormort hung out during the attempted robbery, though, nothing to say he didn't tag along in vapor form...But I would like Gringott's better if we could conclude that V had been there before becoming Vapormort...

I believe that one of the Horcruxes will be found at Godrick's Hollow. After all, DD stated that he believes that one of the remaining horcruxes could be a relic of or something belonging to GG.

Lilly and James' house, being called Godricks Hollow leaves me to believe that this was once land belonging to GG and, therfore, the kind of place that Voldy would have gone looking for or hiding an item in...

What does everyone else think? Will Harry find the last Horcrux at GH? Will Harry relive his first battle with Voldy at GH? Sounds like a good ending to me!

Well, I think that it is very good for these reasons:
1. VL left a horcrux at his other geographic location he visited when young.
2. I think that the country place they visited as mentioned is Godric's Hollow (Valley)
3. This country place is where T.R. found he could talk to snakes, they sought him out.
4. The potters lived there (talked about, know about place)
5. suggested the Home of one of the founders (if you cant get a relic from him, hide it where he came from.l

i could probably think of somemore but its time to eat. :lol:

I support the idea of a Horcrux being in the Riddle House, because....

1. After the diary got destroyed Voldemort would have wanted another Horcrux because that would be foolish to have five (not counting himself) when you could have six....

2. The only deaths he performed were Frank and Bertha, and he would probably pick Frank as a Horcrux killing becasue he would be the last remaining link to his Muggle dad....

5. Therefore if he did kill Frank and create a Horcrux, he would put it in the Riddle House or the graveyard just outside the house where his father lied dead....


Just my views on the subject....


I can't wait for book seven! :rotfl:

No disagreement from me about the first three points, HB (Is it okay with you to use the abbreviation for your username?) 4. The potters lived there (talked about, know about place)The Potters may have lived there. They could have just been using the house in Godric's Hollow for hiding. (I do think it more likely that they did live there, but it isn't confirmed...and others we have seen "hiding" weren't always staying in one place.)
5. suggested the Home of one of the founders (if you cant get a relic from him, hide it where he came from.lSimilar to the point about the Potter home...Perhaps the village of Godric's Hollow was named in honor of the fabulous founder and he didn't make his home there (by that point, he had his residence at Hogwarts). [We would have to ask Hermione if it's mentioned in Hogwarts, A History!]

I meant that Godrick's Hollow will provide a clue to the horcrux, that Harry will discover what the horcrux is whilst at GH. After all, as far as we know, GH has not changed since the night of the deaths. I'm presuming that L & J's stuff and research is there. And that the final fight may ensue there, not necessarily at the same time.I agree that Harry may find clues at Godric's Hollow. The place seems to have a lot of history and could help guide Harry.
Actually, if Voldy had not completed his horcruxes before his first "death" who is to say that he didn't plant a horcrux at GH after the death's of L & J? Surely Voldy would see this as the ultimate insult to GG's and L & K's memory, to insult them by installing his very soul in the heart of GG country!It doesn't seem to me that he would have created a horcrux after the deaths of Lily and James. Voldemort went to Godric's Hollow to kill Harry and use Harry's death for the horcrux. He had no idea that everything would backfire, so it seems unlikely that he would create his final horcrux before the murder he had intended to use to create it.

I also think it is unlikely that there is a horcrux at Godric's Hollow. Clues, yes, but an actual horcrux, no. The main reason for this is that Voldemort gave Lily a choice. He gave her the chance to live yet she chose to protect her son, and died because of it. If Voldemort had gone to Godric's Hollow without the full blown intention to kill all the Potters, it would be foolish to leave a horcrux near his enemies.

i think harry is a horcrux himself. part of voldermort went into harry the night he used tryed to kill him and mayb some of his soul went in with it.

i think harry is a horcrux himself. part of voldermort went into harry the night he used tryed to kill him and mayb some of his soul went in with it.I agree wholeheartedly with this. However this thread has come to a general agreement that since we are trying to discuss the locations of the remaining horcruxes, we will leave the possibility of Harry as a horcrux out of the discussion. Seeing as how Harry (if he is a horcrux) would be rather easy to find, once he figures it out. ;)

The Harry as a horcrux idea is such a big topic that it has not only warranted its own thread, but it is in version 3! Here is a link to the Harry (or his scar) a Horcrux? v.3 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?p=3231912#post3231912) thread, come join us there. :)

If you have any thoughts as to other items (or beings) that could possibly be horcruxes, visit the Identifying the Remaining Horcruxes v.4 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=75097&goto=lastpost) thread.

Do you have any thoughts as to where any remaining horcruxes (known or unknown) may be located?

One of my favorite locations is the Room of Requirement. I know there has been a lot of specualtion about foreign countries, but I have to say that I am leary about too much movement. JKR mentioned that the reason Order of the Phoenix was so long was because there were a lot of new places that needed to be described. She also mentioned, if I remember correctly, that the remaining books wouldn't be as long as Order of the Phoenix. We know there is a lot of information yet to be revealed and I can't see to much time wandering around new locations. It would take up precious page space. I am much more inclined to think that most items (not all) would be in places we have been introduced to but have not yet been given a lot of information about.

The Potters may have lived there. They could have just been using the house in Godric's Hollow for hiding. (I do think it more likely that they did live there, but it isn't confirmed...and others we have seen "hiding" weren't always staying in one place.)
Hagrid says in PS that Harry's parents were living in Godric's Hollow (he actually says 'village' rather than the name) rather than hiding.
Similar to the point about the Potter home...Perhaps the village of Godric's Hollow was named in honor of the fabulous founder and he didn't make his home there (by that point, he had his residence at Hogwarts). [We would have to ask Hermione if it's mentioned in Hogwarts, A History!]
It was around by the 1300s, so it's likely it was either founded by Gryffindor or named shortly after his death (assuming he lived for the 150-year span). It doesn't really matter as far as hiding a Horcrux is concerned, Voldemort would consider it an important enough connection to a founder to warrant it being a hiding place anyway.