Tracking Down the Remaining Horcruxes v4.0

One of my favorite locations is the Room of Requirement. I know there has been a lot of specualtion about foreign countries, but I have to say that I am leary about too much movement. JKR mentioned that the reason Order of the Phoenix was so long was because there were a lot of new places that needed to be described. She also mentioned, if I remember correctly, that the remaining books wouldn't be as long as Order of the Phoenix. We know there is a lot of information yet to be revealed and I can't see to much time wandering around new locations. It would take up precious page space. I am much more inclined to think that most items (not all) would be in places we have been introduced to but have not yet been given a lot of information about.
Hmm, where to start? Book 7 length....Yeah, and she said Phoenix was going to be shorter than GoF, too. It will be as long as it needs to be!

Room of Requirement (RoR) seems like a very viable option for a horcrux located in Hogwarts. We know Harry intends to retrieve the potions book he stashed there, so a trip to Hogwarts should be expected.

Getting the locket could be as easy as a visit to #12 Grimmauld Place (#12 GP).

Just to see how many new places we would need to visit, I am going to temporarily assume that the Ravenclaw relic is at Hogwarts and the locket at #12 GP. That leaves only two new places...and a limited number of dead ends. We had three new places in OotP: #12 GP, RoR and the Ministry.

Places we know Voldemort has been (that might need to be checked out one way or another): the Ministry (already been there), the Orphanage (already been there via memory), the country side (would need to be located--check with the orphanage), Albania (would need to be located; possible need for a guide), Godric's Hollow (already planned for Book 7 for sentimental reasons...and info, Jo, lots of info!), Borgin & Burkes (already been there), Hepzibah Smith's home (already seen in memory, but don't know where it is exactly), Riddle manor and surrounding area (already been to the manor, graveyard and Gaunt hovel), the Crouch home (would need to be located, check with the Ministry records...or back copies of the Daily Prophet), the site of Dorcas Meadowes' death or home (would need to be located), Hogwarts (already been there), Ollivander's shop (though it's empty now, not sure what good it would do...maybe finding Ollie's hiding place if he wasn't killed or kidnapped by the DEs; already been there...it's the only shop in Diagon Alley that we know Tommy shopped at), and possibly a few other places like Gringott's (already been there), Malfoy Manor (can't be sure Voldy ever visited there, but plenty of reasons that he might have done so; would need to be located--ask Arthur Weasley), Hogsmeade (already been there) and the Forbidden Forest (already been there, but there must be many unexplored areas for Harry; get Hagrid as a guide?). That's only four new places, maybe five (if we include DE residences in general it could be much higher, but I don't think any of the DEs really have horcruxes in their homes...)--if Harry even has to visit all of them. Then, of course, he has to find Voldemort's hiding place--or lure him out of it somehow!

And Jo might throw in some other new place we haven't even considered, like a trip to the Museum of Quidditch in London! :lol: (I bet there isn't the chance of a snowball lasting in a lit furnace for that! :rotfl: ) Somewhere Harry has to find the clue to what the other horcrux may be, or at least where it is most likely to be found. And Jo says that Harry knows more than he realizes...which means we should have the clues, too. And of all the places listed above, three went without any mention in HBP: Albania, the Crouch home and Dorcas Meadowes home/death-site. (So we are either meant to forget them or they won't be horcrux locations...)

Hagrid says in PS that Harry's parents were living in Godric's Hollow (he actually says 'village' rather than the name) rather than hiding.Once the FC was cast, they weren't moving anymore! Okay, point taken. But, personally, I find Hagrid to be not only an erratic source of information, but someone who doesn't always have his facts straight, along with the fact that he tends to exaggerate a bit.
It was around by the 1300s, so it's likely it was either founded by Gryffindor or named shortly after his death (assuming he lived for the 150-year span). Where does it say when the village was founded? I know Bowman Wright was living there in the mid-1300's from Quidditch Through the Ages, but I don't remember reading about a founding date. Since Hogwarts was founded around 1000 CE and we first read about Godric's Hollow being in existence in 1350 or so...he would have had to be 375 years old if the founding date of the village is around that time! Either way is possible, really (that Godric was named for the place he was raised or that it was named for him after he became famous). But it shouldn't be taken as fact that the village was Godric Gryffindor's hometown without evidence that it was so. The Sorting Hat says Gryffindor was from "wild moor" and that doesn't sound like a valley or hollow...but the name connection is hard to resist!
It doesn't really matter as far as hiding a Horcrux is concerned, Voldemort would consider it an important enough connection to a founder to warrant it being a hiding place anywayMaybe. Would that be for Hufflepuff's item or Ravenclaw's? Wouldn't he try to locate their homes, instead? To match the object to the founder's homesites?

One thing that leapt out at me in the pensieve sequence at the orphanage was the way the manager guzzled the gin while she was with Dumbledore. She is the only person whose name Harry knows from the orphanage, and he has already used the get-'em-drunk routine to acquire a memory without the donor remembering it was given the day after. He, or perhaps Hermione (I can't see Ron carrying off the ruse) could pose as someone looking into their grandfather's past, ply the manager with booze (she is undoubtedly retired by now, so she would have to be found at a retirement home or such - I am presuming, of course, she is still alive), get the memories of Tommy, including the location of the country outings and any other chilling events, and explore for a likely hidey-hole.

The problem, of course, is extracting a memory from someone else. Harry might have already practiced extracting his own memories by looking at what he saw as an infant in Godric's Hollow - I assume of course he will have use of a pensieve. That might give him an idea of how to extract a muggle's memory while they are recalling events. Better use a memory charm to cover the extraction to cover his tracks. It's a bit dicey, but no more convoluted that the time-turner.

he has already used the get-'em-drunk routine to acquire a memoryI liked that parallel between Albus and Harry!
I am presuming, of course, she is still alive
Well, Voldemort is around 70...how old was Merope? Less than 25, I would guess. "And this girl, not much older than I was myself at the time...", Mrs. Cole says. So she was maybe 18-24, let's guess 20. That would make her around 90 years old...certainly possible! I don't know if the orphanage would still be taking the wards to the same old places, but that's pretty likely, too. The new orphanage matron (or master) might even be able to relay the location of the country visit with no need to look up Mrs. Cole.and explore for a likely hidey-hole.I think they need to at least check the rafters where Billy Stubbs's rabbit was hung...later in the book Remus says that James refers to his "furry little problem" and that it makes other people think he owns a badly behaving rabbit. And there was the death of Lav-lav's rabbit back in PoA...Plus, just to be thorough, they have to search what was once Tommy's room, right?

As I think on it, maybe the reason story-wise that Tommy mentioned Amy Benson's whole name (erm, and the other kid, I forget) is that so there will be someone younger than Mrs. COle that Harry can track down to find memories of Tommy from. People have been trying to say Amy Benson is really R.A.B. (but didn't go by her first name), but getting the locket would be quite too much for a muggle. However, giving memories to help bring that mean Tommy Riddle to justice is well within her abilities. OR maybe Harry will find Billy Stubbs - I know from experience that it is easier to find men when you only have a childhood name, since most women get married and take their husband's surname.

Tommy mentioned Amy Benson's whole name (erm, and the other kid, I forget) is that so there will be someone younger than Mrs. COle that Harry can track down to find memories of Tommy from.
Dennis Bishop. Both he and Amy are surely younger than Tommy, he describes them as "little" (at the very least it implies that they were younger, or shorter kids his own age). Amy and Dennis were associated with the cave, though, so where would that lead Harry? He already knows the location of the cave and that there is no longer a horcrux there. I bet there's an easier way to find out where the country outings were, but maybe one of the trio will just look in a Muggle phonebook (while at #4, perhaps) and find one of the three names (do we assume Hermione knows the names of the Muggle kids Tommy tortured, via Harry's recounting of pensieve moments with Dumbledore?). I agree that Amy Benson might be harder to locate. Unless she's now the matron in charge of the orphanage....;)

I think they need to at least check the rafters where Billy Stubbs's rabbit was hung...later in the book Remus says that James refers to his "furry little problem" and that it makes other people think he owns a badly behaving rabbit. And there was the death of Lav-lav's rabbit back in PoA...Plus, just to be thorough, they have to search what was once Tommy's room, right?

:clap: Nicole, I think I love you :love: That rabbit's death must be avenged!

And I like the countryside location where Voldie learned to talk to snakes. Unfortunately we know little more. The field in Surrey, the goblin family in Nottingham, Riddle House & environs, Albania, Hogwarts, 12 Grimmauld, Gringotts. These are my favs.

Yes, I think that pretty much sums up the possible hiding places. Brilliant! I don't think we'll be able to narrow it down farther than that till we get some more interviews. Now the question is how will Voldemort guard his horcruxes, wherever they are. I only have a theory for the cup, albeit borrowed from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. After getting through the first level of traps, they finally get to a room with a whole collection of cups and they need to drink from the right one.

After getting through the first level of traps, they finally get to a room with a whole collection of cups and they need to drink from the right one.
That would be the one with two handles and an engraved badger...gold, of course!That rabbit's death must be avenged!
I saw your rabbit comment on the id thread...:lol: Can I add a bit more? "It's her rabbit, Binky. He's been killed by a fox."Hmm, and Bellatrix suspected that the fox in HBP (Ch. 2) might have been an Auror...someone who tracks down Dark Magic...

I think given what we know about the locket and the ring, we can assume that the remaining horcruxes arenot going to be in obvious or accessible places. If Tom went to the trouble of hiding the locket in that cave with all those enchantments and protections, then it seems highly unlikely that he would just 'leave' a hrocrux in hogwarts or anywhere else.


If he did hide a Horcrux @ Hogwarts, I think he could be justified in doing that. Doesn't Hagrid say, way back in PS, that Gringotts is the safest place to keep anything, except for Hogwarts? And LV has already made the mistake of leaving his Horcrux with Malfoy.

I support the idea of a Horcrux being in the Riddle House, because....

1. After the diary got destroyed Voldemort would have wanted another Horcrux because that would be foolish to have five (not counting himself) when you could have six....
I dont think so. then that would have taken him beyond the magic number 7. He would then have an 8 part soul with a part gone. I think he was pretty ticked about that part but would not create another.

2. The only deaths he performed were Frank and Bertha, and he would probably pick Frank as a Horcrux killing becasue he would be the last remaining link to his Muggle dad.... Also Frank was 77 or soon to be 77 those magic numbers again!


5. Therefore if he did kill Frank and create a Horcrux, he would put it in the Riddle House or the graveyard just outside the house where his father lied dead....
I think possibly he chose the pet snake that he poured his soul out to...

Just my views on the subject....


I can't wait for book seven! :rotfl:[/QUOTE] HERE HERE

I agree with you about a clue being in Godric's Hollow. Someone gave a really good possibility as to what sort of clue the other day, but I can't find it just now. Perhaps they'll show up again.

However, do you honestly think that Godric's Hollow would be a place of great sentimental value to the Dark Lord considering that was the place of his first fall?

I think it would be very significant if it turns out to be the other place he visited during the summers and this is where he learned he could talk to snakes!

No disagreement from me about the first three points, HB (Is it okay with you to use the abbreviation for your username?) :cool:


The Potters may have lived there. They could have just been using the house in Godric's Hollow for hiding. (I do think it more likely that they did live there, but it isn't confirmed...and others we have seen "hiding" weren't always staying in one place.)

I think it was there home. Possibly James' parents home.

Similar to the point about the Potter home...Perhaps the village of Godric's Hollow was named in honor of the fabulous founder and he didn't make his home there (by that point, he had his residence at Hogwarts). [We would have to ask Hermione if it's mentioned in Hogwarts, A History!]
If GH is in the valley (i think the sorting hat said fen) that is where GG came from. Yes we would have to! seems like nobody else has or is going to either! lol

Hmm, where to start? Book 7 length....Yeah, and she said Phoenix was going to be shorter than GoF, too. It will be as long as it needs to be!

Room of Requirement (RoR) seems like a very viable option for a horcrux located in Hogwarts. We know Harry intends to retrieve the potions book he stashed there, so a trip to Hogwarts should be expected.
Well they are already there; book six was first book they did not travel back to there summer places. so...

Getting the locket could be as easy as a visit to #12 Grimmauld Place
Yes i see Harry having to go back here as much as he hates to. I wonder if there might be a new portrait here becuase it was the HQ of the Order of the Phoenix! Portraits of important wiz or witches show up in multiple places.

Would that be for Hufflepuff's item or Ravenclaw's? Wouldn't he try to locate their homes, instead? To match the object to the founder's homesites?
I like the slytherin item by water better. and go from there. in book seven find out what that P. Coat of Arms was for. then go from there. there are 4 places the hat says the founders came from and me I am going to try to put them with the element thing too at the same time.


The problem, of course, is extracting a memory from someone else. Harry might have already practiced extracting his own memories by looking at what he saw as an infant in Godric's Hollow - I assume of course he will have use of a pensieve. That might give him an idea of how to extract a muggle's memory while they are recalling events. Better use a memory charm to cover the extraction to cover his tracks. It's a bit dicey, but no more convoluted that the time-turner.

Not if you put a lil truth serum in there GIN!

I liked that parallel between Albus and Harry!
Aye!:tu:
Well, Voldemort is around 70 he was 55 when he became vapormort so snake man is now 71 about to turn 72 in Dec.
...how old was Merope? Less than 25, I would guess. 18

I think they need to at least check the rafters where Billy Stubbs's rabbit was hung...later in the book Remus says that James refers to his "furry little problem" and that it makes other people think he owns a badly behaving rabbit. And there was the death of Lav-lav's rabbit back in PoA...Plus, just to be thorough, they have to search what was once Tommy's room, right?
Agree

:clap: Nicole, I think I love you :love: That rabbit's death must be avenged!
So with the bunny reference and the lil elmer fudd creatures...do we need to look at the burrow? /big wry grin
But the more I think of it; it would be a great place to find a bunch of artifacts that are behaving badly! wouldnt it? given Arthur's Job of years of finding them!!!


And I like the countryside location where Voldie learned to talk to snakes. Unfortunately we know little more. The field in Surrey, the goblin family in Nottingham, Riddle House & environs, Albania, Hogwarts, 12 Grimmauld, Gringotts. These are my favs.
I just dont have any feelings at all for albania. Riddle house is growing on me more and more. What reference is the field of Surrey? that is not rining any bells.

I dont think so. then that would have taken him beyond the magic number 7. He would then have an 8 part soul with a part gone. I think he was pretty ticked about that part but would not create another.Actually this is a topic that has been discussed before. (not sure which thread though - probably the Harry as a horcrux thread)

Voldemort is determined to have a 7 part soul. If something happened and he ended up with 8 pieces, he would no longer have that magically strong number and could possibly be easier to defeat - if 7 is the strongest number of soul pieces that is.

Now about the people from Voldemort's past that could potentially give memories to aid Harry in his hunt for horcruxes. It seems to me that Harry has an incredible amount of luck. If you determine that luck is when preparation meets circumstance and add in any intuition Harry has and his friends and their abilities, you come up with a recipe that tends to get Harry out of sticky situations. Following the thought of simplicity, Harry may very well "accidentally" run into the right people, gather information and intuitively figure out where he needs to go.

I don't like that Harry doesn't know how to track them down. Its something that I've been trying to justify to myself for book 7. The only things I keep coming back to are intuition, luck, skill, and friends.

Actually this is a topic that has been discussed before. (not sure which thread though - probably the Harry as a horcrux thread)

Voldemort is determined to have a 7 part soul. If something happened and he ended up with 8 pieces, he would no longer have that magically strong number and could possibly be easier to defeat - if 7 is the strongest number of soul pieces that is.

Now about the people from Voldemort's past that could potentially give memories to aid Harry in his hunt for horcruxes. It seems to me that Harry has an incredible amount of luck. If you determine that luck is when preparation meets circumstance and add in any intuition Harry has and his friends and their abilities, you come up with a recipe that tends to get Harry out of sticky situations. Following the thought of simplicity, Harry may very well "accidentally" run into the right people, gather information and intuitively figure out where he needs to go.

I don't like that Harry doesn't know how to track them down. Its something that I've been trying to justify to myself for book 7. The only things I keep coming back to are intuition, luck, skill, and friends.
That and Harry has an Inner voice and stead of an eye that seems to kick in at certain times. ie. luna would you like to go to the christmas party?

Oh, I wonder if in ADs will he leaves everything to HP? It sure would be cool to have a phoenix! Hope fully the house is a bolttowers condo's :eyebrows:

The Sorting Hat says Gryffindor was from "wild moor" and that doesn't sound like a valley or hollow...but the name connection is hard to resist!
Maybe.
Moors have all sorts of bumps, valleys and hollows.

This site has some pictures of a moor:
http://www.ilkley.yorks.com/ilkley-moor.html
Also:
http://www.dartmoor-npa.gov.uk/dnp/gif/bellvr14.jpg

Would that be for Hufflepuff's item or Ravenclaw's? Wouldn't he try to locate their homes, instead? To match the object to the founder's homesites?
I don't think we can assume he'd do that - Salazar Slytherin certainly didn't live in a seaside cave, and may not have lived near Little Hangleton either. The description of the valley and surrounding area where the Riddle House and the Gaunt hovel were located didn't sound like fenland.

If GH is in the valley (i think the sorting hat said fen) that is where GG came from.Oh, I checked the books before I said Gryffindor came from "wild moor"! Slytherin came from "fen", and there isn't much fenland left in modern times.
Yes i see Harry having to go back here as much as he hates to. I wonder if there might be a new portrait here becuase it was the HQ of the Order of the Phoenix! Portraits of important wiz or witches show up in multiple places.It would be interesting to know just how many portraits Dumbledore's death created. He had a lot of titles, two of which could relate to offices at the Ministry (Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot and Chairman of the International Confederation of Wizards). He could even have one in his family home (does he still have a residence outside of Hogwarts?) or at the Hog's Head where his brother is the proprietor! But so far, we have not seen anyone with more than two portraits...
I like the slytherin item by water better. and go from there. in book seven find out what that P. Coat of Arms was for. then go from there. there are 4 places the hat says the founders came from and me I am going to try to put them with the element thing too at the same time.And if their actual home places could not be located with any certainty? How many places claim to be Camelot? Or the isle to which King Arthur was taken? If you google 'Peverell' you will find that the real life Peverells lived in Nottingham...but the Peverell Ring was hidden in Little Hangleton (just outside the village, anyway). We know Voldy killed a goblin family in Nottingham before he became Vapormort. That event seems to have come after the Peverell Ring was made a horcrux, though.
...how old was Merope? Less than 25, I would guess.

18I missed that in my latest re-read. Can you post the canon stating Merope was 18, please, HB?
What reference is the field of Surrey? that is not rining any bells.It's from when Harry was listening for news of strange events, the muggle tv reported "a helicopter that had almost crashed in a field in Surrey"...perhaps because it had entered some area (the field) of strong magic that makes muggle electronics go haywire...or stop working. (I am very sorry not to remember exactly who brought that point up...:sad: :blush: ) Now, if there are no other uses of the word "field" in the Potter series besides the one above and Tommy's field...hmmm.
I don't like that Harry doesn't know how to track them down. Its something that I've been trying to justify to myself for book 7. The only things I keep coming back to are intuition, luck, skill, and friends.I don't like how he doesn't have a clue about how to destroy them, either. (I could give Harry suggestions, but I'm sure Hermione will get to do that instead of me...:lol: ) Tracking them down will have to be based on the clues Harry has about Voldy's horcrux hidey holes. He has been shown the places for three of them: Hogwarts (Diary; not exactly hidden there, but meant to enter Hogwarts at some point--place where Tommy spent the better part of 7 years), the seaside cave (near water--Slytherin's element--with protections that involved liquids; Slytherin's locket was placed here; probably where Tommy did his first non-verbal wandless Crucio), and Gaunt hovel (we know Tommy set foot here at least 3 times...anyone want to bet that he brought the number up to 7? :lol: ; the Peverell Ring was hidden there, the family heirloom in the ancestors' home...which may or may not be close to Nottingham; there was a place in England called Hangleton, but it was in Sussex; this is the place where Tommy successfully framed his uncle for his first Muggle murders).
I don't think we can assume he'd do that - Salazar Slytherin certainly didn't live in a seaside cave, and may not have lived near Little Hangleton either. The description of the valley and surrounding area where the Riddle House and the Gaunt hovel were located didn't sound like fenland.Thanks for the links, RavenEye! I think it more likely that the horcrux hidey holes (hhh) were places significant to Tommymort rather than to the founders (besides Hogwarts, which was obviously significant to all five--the four + Tommymort).

Nottingham seems like a possibility because we can make a tie to Peverell there, plus we know Voldything murdered a goblin family there. We also know that MoldyVoldy likes to steal his trophies...and that goblin-made items can have powerful magic. In my re-read I noticed Heppy mentioning "all sorts of powers it's supposed to possess, too, but I haven't tested them thoroughly" in regards to the Cup, and "all kinds of powers attributed" to the Locket. (But I don't remember any claims that those two objects were goblin-made...:sad: )

The field where Tommy practiced Parseltongue could be significant to him, it's a rare gift. The field could be in a lot of places, though, and we can't really pin it down without more information. And as far as we know, the only founder who spoke Parseltongue was Slytherin...and his object has already been located. Which object could be hidden in a field? And how? (And was Albus off the mark when he made the comment that it wouldn't look like an item used for a portkey...because he didn't think Voldy would transfigure a horcrux to look like an ordinary object?)
"You are thinking of Portkeys, Harry, which must be ordinary objects, easy to overlook. But would Lord Voldemort use tin cans or old potion bottles to guard hiw own precious soul? You are forgetting what I have showed you. Lord Voldemort liked to collect trophies, and he preferred objects with a powerful magical history. His pride, his belief in his own superiority, his determination to carve for himself a startling place in magical histroy; these things suggest to me that Voldemort would have chosen his Horcruxes with some care, favoring objects worthy of the honor."
We are inferring that the places for the Horcruxes are also of significance to Voldy, based on the three already found. I don't think we (or Harry) have been told that the places are just as important as the objects...but we don't have much else to go on at this point!

Little Whinging (and therefore Privet Drive) is in Surrey, too.

In Britain, 'the moors' (without any qualifying words) automatically refers to Yorkshire, one of the northernmost counties. Therefore, the Hogwarts founders would be from pretty much all over Great Britain (vale = Wales; moor = Yorkshire (north England); glen = Scotland; fen = East Anglia (the bit that looks like the pig's bottom)

We are inferring that the places for the Horcruxes are also of significance to Voldy, based on the three already found. I don't think we (or Harry) have been told that the places are just as important as the objects...but we don't have much else to go on at this point!

Ah, but the places where they were *found* have significance to Voldemort. We finally knew what the diary was in the Chamber of Secrets, which had vast significance for LV. The ring was found in Marvolo's house, which it can be argued also had at least *some* significance. The locket was found in the cave, which also had great significance for LV (by found, I do not necessarily only mean found by Harry).

It is therefore likely that the others will be or already HAVE been found in places of great significance to LV.

Has anyone considered Azkaban?

Has anyone considered Azkaban?Implication being that if the Dementors were willing to join Voldy, he must have visited there? Or because of the mass break-out of the DEs? Coupled with the fact that it has been mentioned numerous times throughout the books? I don't know...what significance would it have for Tommymort? Would it be safe to leave a soul object so close to the dementors?

Good point. We have no evidence, however, that Dementors respond to horcruxes in the same way as they do people.

JKr has said repeatedly that we will visit areas mentioned but not seen - we have done so with the Ministry of Magic - Azkaban seems to be the only other place that has been mentioned often but never actually visited (okay, it has been 'seen' - on the UK adult edition cover of PoA, but I doubt that counts...)

Thinking about it, though, Azkaban would be a good place to hide a horcrux. Ministry wizards (ANY wizards, actually) don't like going to it, and the wizards who are there are without their wands and are rarely in a position to do anything about a horcrux, even if they found one. Also, it is very remote and desolate, and also extremely hard to get to (and even harder to get out of).

The thing is - are there human wardens at Azkaban as well as dementors? If so, perhaps the horcrux lies in the wardens' office or something?

In Britain, 'the moors' (without any qualifying words) automatically refers to Yorkshire, one of the northernmost counties. Therefore, the Hogwarts founders would be from pretty much all over Great Britain (vale = Wales; moor = Yorkshire (north England); glen = Scotland; fen = East Anglia (the bit that looks like the pig's bottom)There are moors in Devon/Cornwall as well - Exmoor and Dartmoor, with Dartmoor distinctly wilder than Exmoor. I don't think "the moors" automatically refers to Yorkshire. It would depend on where you live. JKR grew up in the South West, much nearer Exmoor than Yorkshire, so I doubt if she would use it that way.

*tries to suppress image of Harry leading a Dementor on a leash to sniff for Horcruxes on Dartmoor :rotfl:*

Yes, but "the moors" (PLURAL) tends to refer to Yorkshire. Exmoor and Dartmoor are actual names and not referred to as 'the moors' - that is typically reserved for Yorkshire.

Good point. We have no evidence, however, that Dementors respond to horcruxes in the same way as they do people.But we do have evidence that the only spell effective against them is the Patronus. Hence, Voldemort's magical protection enchantments wouldn't keep the Dementors away from such an object. I guess I'm trying to say that it might not be such a safe place to make an hhh.
*tries to suppress image of Harry leading a Dementor on a leash to sniff for Horcruxes on Dartmoor :rotfl:*Did you succeed, anabel? :lol:
Yes, but "the moors" (PLURAL) tends to refer to Yorkshire.Well, then, maybe Yorkshire can be ruled out...Gryffindor only came from one moor, not wild moors. Perhaps if the books mentioned Yorkshire for something...I don't remember any mentions of Yorkshire, but the places in the Potterverse are foreign to me anyway since I have never been to the UK.

Oh, I checked the books before I said Gryffindor came from "wild moor"! Slytherin came from "fen", and there isn't much fenland left in modern times.
'The Fens' tends to refer to ancient fenland in Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire and Norfolk, regardless of whether it has been drained in modern times. I think we can pin down Salazar Slytherin's place of origin to East Anglia or Lincolnshire at least - I still like Ely as a location (I bet Salazar would have got on well with Hereward the Wake).

However, the only remotely Slytherin-related Horcrux left is Nagini, unless Voldemort hid the another founder's object at Slytherin's birthplace for some reason.

Perhaps if the books mentioned Yorkshire for something...I don't remember any mentions of Yorkshire, but the places in the Potterverse are foreign to me anyway since I have never been to the UK.
There have been a couple mentions of Yorkshire in the books: Barnsley, the home of the water-skiing budgerigar; and the Dementor-like men in the Hog's Head talking in Yorkshire accents

Wasn't the Quiddich World Cup held in Yorkshire?

I think that the giant squid may be a horcrux.

I think that the giant squid may be a horcrux.Can you expand a bit on that? Why do you think that the giant squid may be a Horcrux? Are there any clues in the book? Did Voldemort have any connection with it?

Oh, I checked the books before I said Gryffindor came from "wild moor"! Slytherin came from "fen", and there isn't much fenland left in modern times.
I felt it was wrong when i said that but ignored my inner voice. from websters 1 chiefly British : an expanse of open rolling infertile land. which i had pictured in my inner eye.


And if their actual home places could not be located with any certainty? How many places claim to be Camelot? Or the isle to which King Arthur was taken? If you google 'Peverell' you will find that the real life Peverells lived in Nottingham...but the Peverell Ring was hidden in Little Hangleton (just outside the village, anyway). We know Voldy killed a goblin family in Nottingham before he became Vapormort. That event seems to have come after the Peverell Ring was made a horcrux, though.
then i think LV will find a place that fits as in Fen -: low land covered wholly or partly with water unless artificially drained


I missed that in my latest re-read. Can you post the canon stating Merope was 18, please, HB?

Came accross that yesterday in a couple of places. one on HP-lexicon under Meorpe they have her as 18 yr old. I will have to think on where else i came upon this! OH found it pg 213 of HBP US. so she would have been 19ish when she had tom.


It's from when Harry was listening for news of strange events, the muggle tv reported "a helicopter that had almost crashed in a field in Surrey"...perhaps because it had entered some area (the field) of strong magic that makes muggle electronics go haywire...or stop working. (I am very sorry not to remember exactly who brought that point up...:sad: :blush: ) Now, if there are no other uses of the word "field" in the Potter series besides the one above and Tommy's field...hmmm.

Ah, Ok!

Here's the quote showing that Merope was 18 at the time of the arrest of Morfin and Marvolo:

The House of Gaunt HBP UK
Once Marvolo and Morfin were safely in Azkaban, once she was alone and free for the first time in her life, then, I am sure, she was able to give full rein to her abilities and to plot her escape from the desperate life she had led for eighteen years.

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I just thought that it would be interesting for the squid to be a horcrux. It would explain the other missing horcruxes that they were trying to find. It would make it hard for Harry because he might feel that he is killing more of Hogwarts. Even though Harry would be killing the squid, he would be killing off another part of the history of Hogwarts. That was my thought on the squid being a horcrux. What do you think?

I just thought that it would be interesting for the squid to be a horcrux. It would explain the other missing horcruxes that they were trying to find. It would make it hard for Harry because he might feel that he is killing more of Hogwarts. Even though Harry would be killing the squid, he would be killing off another part of the history of Hogwarts. That was my thought on the squid being a horcrux. What do you think?Interesting idea. I don't quite see how it could tie in with the four founders, unless maybe the Squid was Gryffindor's pet. Dumbledore pointed out that it was risky to use a living creature as a Horcrux, but he allowed that Voldemort might have done so.

"Can you expand a bit on that? Why do you think that the giant squid may be a Horcrux? Are there any clues in the book? Did Voldemort have any connection with it?"

LOL it is funny, can you expand upon the giant squid??? LOL no he is giant already! how can you expand him?

Sorry could not resist! :rotfl:

It's from when Harry was listening for news of strange events, the muggle tv reported "a helicopter that had almost crashed in a field in Surrey"...perhaps because it had entered some area (the field) of strong magic that makes muggle electronics go haywire...or stop working. (I am very sorry not to remember exactly who brought that point up... ) Now, if there are no other uses of the word "field" in the Potter series besides the one above and Tommy's field...hmmm.It's funny that you say this...I always thought this a joke about kids and broomsticks...Malfoy certainly did talk about flying a lot. He complained loudly about first years never getting on the house Quidditch teams and told long, boastful stories that always seemed to end with him narrowly escaping Muggles in helicopters....then a helicopter that had almost crashed in a field in Surrey.I don't think there's really anything special about that 'field in Surrey'. If anything, the helicopter almost hit someone on a broom---at least that's what I've always pictured.

I don't think there's really anything special about that 'field in Surrey'. If anything, the helicopter almost hit someone on a broom---at least that's what I've always pictured.Me, too. Harry didn't think anything of it, though! (I didn't come up with the idea, merely rephrased it for someone who didn't see the potential connection. It would hold up better if we were told of lots of boats being wrecked near the seaside cave, but we weren't told of any.)

Or....it could be because Ravenclaw's item is hidden in the "air"...:lol: [It will be the invisible horcrux, btw! :lol:] Oh, I remember how I pooh-poohed the idea that Snape could be the HBP...so I hate to shoot the helicopter down as a potential clue, especially when we are looking for a field where Tommy practiced Parseltongue. And it's just one of those little things that Jo slips by us, like the Quibbler having tiny bits right and Trelawney (before HBP) seming like a total fraud instead of the gets-the-facts-right-but-just-misinterprets-the-events thing. Harry was listening for odd events and didn't think any of them were. But a water-skiing budgy didn't seem odd to him, either!

Looks like the locket from GP is a go. Bergen and jenny_d_b have both confirmed the Norwegian translation of "Black" to "Svaart" with RAB being RAS in the Norwegian version! (As many of us thought that would be the case, I suppose it doesn't really change this discussion much...The locket could still be: at #12, with Dung, with Aberforth, or pawned somewhere.)

Are we going to be visiting Ireland in book 7 to search for horcruxes? Are there any areas there that could be considered Moors? or hollows? or one of the other references as to where the founders came from?

Don't think we meet new places by searching for the horcrux. Grimmauld - locket, Nagini - Voldemorts place...ohh - this would be new...perhaps. And to ignore my first sentence again: we don't know Godric's, this could be a place, too.

It's difficult to search for the places by not knowing the things, but special places in the books maybe would lead us; it's nearly impossible to think of - completely - unknown places, now.

I would like to find Nagini in the zoo (PS), but this would be much to easy. ;-)

Don't think we meet new places by searching for the horcrux. Grimmauld - locket, Nagini - Voldemorts place...ohh - this would be new...perhaps. And to ignore my first sentence again: we don't know Godric's, this could be a place, too.

It's difficult to search for the places by not knowing the things, but special places in the books maybe would lead us; it's nearly impossible to think of - completely - unknown places, now.

I would like to find Nagini in the zoo (PS), but this would be much to easy. ;-)
Well since Nagini is a live creature and there seems to be a special bond there of sometype to nurse him back from vapor mort to babymort and keep him alive as babymort; i think you will find Nagini where ever voldymort is or very close by.

I would like to find Nagini in the zoo (PS), but this would be much too easy. ;)Yeah, I don't think Voldy is going to put a horcrux in a Muggle zoo...:lol: Even if Nagini is not a horcrux, I don't think he'd put her in a Muggle zoo! :D

Yeah, I don't think Voldy is going to put a horcrux in a Muggle zoo...:lol: Even if Nagini is not a horcrux, I don't think he'd put her in a Muggle zoo! :D
Thinking about Nagini as a horcrux and LV's physical transformation, along with the diary process that nearly got Ginny, made me think of the possibility that the problem with horcruxes that can think for themselves is that as time goes on, the wizard exchanges characteristics with the horcrux - a gradual soul transfer like in CoS. Maybe the changes in LV are not due to each new chunk of soul he was missing, as DD seems to think (and what evidence did he have to work on for multiple horcruxes anyway), but due to the exchange between LV and his sentient horcrux.

For this to work, Nagini would have to be his first horcrux, rather than his last. But just because we did not see Nagini before GoF doewsn't mean he didn't have her. After all, why did 6th-year Slytherin prefect Tom Riddle know 3d-year Gryffindor knucklehead (admit it - he is a lovable oaf) Hagrid as well as he did, unless they had some contacts concerning "innerestin' creatures"? Maybe Hagrid bred or hatched Nagini as some sort of a favor to the very-charming 6th-year who showed an interest in magical pets with some zest to them.

By that reckoning, LV has been on a process of becoming ever-more snakelike for about 55 years, and is in danger of becoming completely serpentine before too long. So rahter than Nagini, it is Voldy who will end up in a muggle zoo with the Dudleys of the world rapping on his glass!

It's funny that you say this...I always thought this a joke about kids and broomsticks...Malfoy certainly did talk about flying a lot. He complained loudly about first years never getting on the house Quidditch teams and told long, boastful stories that always seemed to end with him narrowly escaping Muggles in helicopters....then a helicopter that had almost crashed in a field in Surrey.I don't think there's really anything special about that 'field in Surrey'. If anything, the helicopter almost hit someone on a broom---at least that's what I've always pictured.

I thought it was memorable because Harry is listening for odd events, we know electricity goes wild around magically concealed places (Hermione discussing Hogwarts protections in GOF), the helicopter almost crashes in that field in Surrey, but Harry glosses right over it as unremarkable (yet mentioned!!)

If that budgy that waterski's is an animagus too that would be too much!

Also
- Dorcas Meadows
- countryside location where Voldie spoke to snakes
- plowed field where the Dursleys stopped on the demented journey in Book 1
- valley broad (Hufflepuff broad? Ravenclaw Broad?)

If that budgy that waterski's is an animagus too that would be too much!Yes it would! I quite agree.

Thinking about Nagini as a horcrux and LV's physical transformation, along with the diary process that nearly got Ginny, made me think of the possibility that the problem with horcruxes that can think for themselves is that as time goes on, the wizard exchanges characteristics with the horcrux - a gradual soul transfer like in CoS. Maybe the changes in LV are not due to each new chunk of soul he was missing, as DD seems to think (and what evidence did he have to work on for multiple horcruxes anyway), but due to the exchange between LV and his sentient horcrux.

For this to work, Nagini would have to be his first horcrux, rather than his last. But just because we did not see Nagini before GoF doewsn't mean he didn't have her. After all, why did 6th-year Slytherin prefect Tom Riddle know 3d-year Gryffindor knucklehead (admit it - he is a lovable oaf) Hagrid as well as he did, unless they had some contacts concerning "innerestin' creatures"? Maybe Hagrid bred or hatched Nagini as some sort of a favor to the very-charming 6th-year who showed an interest in magical pets with some zest to them.

By that reckoning, LV has been on a process of becoming ever-more snakelike for about 55 years, and is in danger of becoming completely serpentine before too long. So rahter than Nagini, it is Voldy who will end up in a muggle zoo with the Dudleys of the world rapping on his glass!

:rotfl:

Yes it would! I quite agree.

Ok what is a budgy?


If that budgy that waterski's is an animagus too that would be too much!

Also
- Dorcas Meadows
What is it that you think is significant about Dorcas?

Ok what is a budgy?

What is it that you think is significant about Dorcas?
A budgy, in England, is a helicopter.

I think the significance of Dorcas Meadows is that Dorcas was personally killed by VM.

A budgy, in England, is a helicopter..

LOL! I thought it was some type of animal!So a helicopter that doesn't fly but waterskies? LOL

A budgy, in England, is a helicopter.

Okay, on the off-chance that someone takes this seriously, I'll set it straight. Budgie is diminutive for budgerigar - what Americans refer to as a parakeet.

Ok what is a budgy?A budgy, in America, is a parakeet or other small bird.

Looks like the locket from GP is a go. Bergen and jenny_d_b have both confirmed the Norwegian translation of "Black" to "Svaart" with RAB being RAS in the Norwegian version! (As many of us thought that would be the case, I suppose it doesn't really change this discussion much...The locket could still be: at #12, with Dung, with Aberforth, or pawned somewhere.)Hmm. Very good to know. :eyebrows:

Its good to have a world perspective on things. ;)

I'm more likely to believe that it is either with Kreacher or Mundungus, but Harry won't figure out the locket is a horcrux until he returns to Grimauld Place and starts going through the house reminiscing.

Okay, on the off-chance that someone takes this seriously, I'll set it straight. Budgie is diminutive for budgerigar - what Americans refer to as a parakeet.

LOL I dont know if that makes more sense or not; cant wait for the movie on that one! LOL

A budgy, in America, is a parakeet or other small bird.

Hmm. Very good to know. :eyebrows:

Its good to have a world perspective on things. ;)

I'm more likely to believe that it is either with Kreacher or Mundungus, but Harry won't figure out the locket is a horcrux until he returns to Grimauld Place and starts going through the house reminiscing.
In reading over the interviews, one was asked about the mirror Sirius gave HP and it was important for him to not use then but would have some bigger reason in later books. Has anyone else looked at that? at how it could tie in?

LOL I dont know if that makes more sense or not; cant wait for the movie on that one! LOL

Oh, it's easy to get a parakeet to ride skis - you just break their little wings and superglue their feet and beaks to the skis and towbar - easy-peasy!

In reading over the interviews, one was asked about the mirror Sirius gave HP and it was important for him to not use then but would have some bigger reason in later books. Has anyone else looked at that? at how it could tie in?
It's been mentioned sporadically. Ther was a lot of 'mirrors' discussion in the Identifying Horcruxes thread (all you have to do is read through the previous 4000 or so posts). I brought up that quote at least once, but there's not very far you can go with it on the scanty information. Perhaps Ginny will be used as an inside-Hogwarts liaison to check places like the RoR or the trophy room. It's hard to say.

Oh, it's easy to get a parakeet to ride skis - you just break their little wings and superglue their feet and beaks to the skis and towbar - easy-peasy!.
LOL


It's been mentioned sporadically. Ther was a lot of 'mirrors' discussion in the Identifying Horcruxes thread (all you have to do is read through the previous 4000 or so posts). I brought up that quote at least once, but there's not very far you can go with it on the scanty information. Perhaps Ginny will be used as an inside-Hogwarts liaison to check places like the RoR or the trophy room. It's hard to say.

Well...I could not decipher what she was refering to, the mirrors or to Harry! was hoping to see something in book 6.

A budgy, in England, is a helicopter.:blush: I am really sorry that I didn't use the correct spelling...budgie. :blush: Still, the homonym provides a connection between the two news events, doesn't it?
In reading over the interviews, one was asked about the mirror Sirius gave HP and it was important for him to not use then but would have some bigger reason in later books. Has anyone else looked at that? at how it could tie in?I don't know how. The shards aren't even in his trunk anymore...unless Harry mended the mirror off-stage. (It isn't mentioned in HBP in that state, either, plus Harry isn't supposed to do magic away from Hogwarts and I doubt he broke the decree again.) A large trunk stood in the very middle of the room. Its lid was open; it looked expectant; yet it was almost empty but for a residue of old underwear, sweets, empty ink bottles, and broken quills that coated the very bottom... There should have been a smattering of broken glass at the bottom, too.

Maybe Harry will think of using some other mirrors because he knew it was possible to communicate with the ones James and Sirius had. Having a source of instant communication with someone could be quite valuable in the Quest for the Horcruxes. [But if Harry all of a sudden has repaired the broken one, I will be miffed. It's clearly missing in HBP in any form, even if Harry is a lousy trunk-keeper.]

:blush: I am really sorry that I didn't use the correct spelling...budgie. :blush: Still, the homonym provides a connection between the two news events, doesn't it?Not really...because in OoP, the budgie is properly identified as a budgerigar---"If they had reached water-skiing budgerigars, there would be nothing else worth hearing."I don't think there's anything significant about helicopters or that field in Surrey...
Maybe Harry will think of using some other mirrors because he knew it was possible to communicate with the ones James and Sirius had. Having a source of instant communication with someone could be quite valuable in the Quest for the Horcruxes. [But if Harry all of a sudden has repaired the broken one, I will be miffed. It's clearly missing in HBP in any form, even if Harry is a lousy trunk-keeper.]I think JK deliberately didn't mention that mirror in any fashion...So now, when Harry, Ron, and Hermione end up at 4 Privet Drive, they'll discover the pieces that Harry had gathered up---an probably put beneath the floorboard---Harry will explain what it is, and Hermione will mend it...before they return to the Burrow, the trio will stop at 12 Grimmauld Place, and while looking for the other mirror, stumble across the tapestry with R.B. on it....Ding-Ding-Cluck ya'll, Harry will find that locket Horcrux, and they'll figure out how to destroy it.

I do believe that mirror will be a way for Harry to be in communication with someone---either Ron and Hermione {who perhaps will finish the seventh year of school---I read somewhere that Hermione will be head-girl [fanfic probably]---I'm thinking perhaps Harry will give the other mirror to Remus.}

It will definitely come in handy as Harry tracks Horcruxes.

how can you think that the giant squid is a horcrux? There is no proof for that whatsoever. The kind of dark magic required to make a horcrux would be present around the giant squid. Remember, Dumbledore can feel magic when its around him like he does in the cave getting the horcrux with Harry. DD would easily know that the squid was a horcrux and would have taken care of it by now.

Not really...because in OoP, the budgie is properly identified as a budgerigar---
"And finally, Bungy the budgie has found a novel way of keeping cool this summer..."The homonym is there, regardless. It probably isn't any big deal, but I didn't know "budgy" was a term for a helicopter in Britain before I misspelled "budgie"...

I have never heard 'budgy' nor 'budgie' used as a term for helicopter in Britain. The only connection between budgie and helicopter I can think of is a series of children's books written by the former Duchess of York.

Ah! Budgie the Helicopter! Yay!

I never thought I'd hear it mentioned here of all places. But hear hear! - here is as good a place as anywhere to hear of the cartoon again.

Sorry. :rotfl:
What is significant about Dorcas Meadowes?
What is significant is that you were all talking about FIELDS and a MEADOW is commonly mistaken for a field (I suppose one could say they are sorts of field).

Dumbledore always said that LV would connect the horcruxes with places that were important to him - the cave, for instance. The field where he discovered he could speak parseltongue could very well be one of them. After all, it is where he established (whether he knew it at the time or not) that he was connected to the great Slytherin.

Although I must say that Salazar Slytherin is not an accurate representative of people from the Fens (being someone who lives very close to them myself - Fen Drayton is not far from my house!)

I'm afraid I still don't have my copy of HBP (or my infernal tapes back yet) but it might be interesting to see if there are any other locations that LV would attribute similar significance to.

The field in Surrey, Brockdale bridge (plowed field, suspension bridge) were both in the demented journey of Vernon in book 1. Odd connection. We need 4 locations only, really.

If I were Harry and I were going to look for the remaining horcruxes I would make a point to look in the following places:
-That room at Hogwarts that was practically like the "attic" of Hogwarts,where Harry tried to hide his potions book. Why? Because it probably has god knows what sorts of items that previous inhabitants of Hogwarts have left there.
-Borgin and Burkes. Why? Because Voldemort used to work with them and there are so many wizarding artifacts in that store.

I'm not saying these are where the horcruxes are but that I would make a point to check them out. I think that Voldemort eithe rleft the remaining horcruxes under heavy protection like the locket or that he entrusted them to only his most loyal DE's to safeguard.

Hmm. I agree - Harry has four horcruxes to find and then LV to finish off.

Piece of cake, really.

Is it possible that JK will use book seven as an excuse to visit mentioned-but-never-seen locations as part of the horcrux hunt?

Somehow I can't get rid of the mental connection between the Easter Egg Hunt and the horcrux hunt.

And now I can't get rid of the image of Voldemort with a powder puff tail. It would explain his foul temper, though.... :rotfl:

My first thought is R.A.B (Regulus Black) has already destroyed the locket. The note inside the faux locket states... "It is I who discovered your secret..." He knows it was a horcrux and knows that LV made more of them. How much he knows we will find out... but my theory is he is going to help Harry out. Maybe he has a two-way mirror too? Or he has left some way of communicating with him to help .."I face death in the hope that when you meet your match, you will be mortal once more."

or that he entrusted them to only his most loyal DE's to safeguard.It reminds me of something Bella said...
"That was not my fault!" said Bellatrix, flushing. "The Dark Lord has, in the past, entrusted me with his most precious---if Lucius hadn't---"
His most precious secrets? His most precious possession(s)? It was in the past...and seems to have been taken away when Lucius admitted the destruction of the diary, or at least because of events at the Ministry.

Was Bella responsible for protecting another horcrux? Did she go after the Longbottoms because they thought the Aurors would know how to use a horcrux to bring the Dark Lord back?

Was Bella responsible for protecting another horcrux? Did she go after the Longbottoms because they thought the Aurors would know how to use a horcrux to bring the Dark Lord back?

That's a very interesting point Nicole. I wonder if she's refrring to the Diary or to something else?

Ah! Budgie the Helicopter! Yay!

I never thought I'd hear it mentioned here of all places. But hear hear! - here is as good a place as anywhere to hear of the cartoon again.

Sorry. :rotfl:
Was this a children's type show? tell me more if you might find it significant in some way to the story. I was thinking about the Wiggles. I have two very young children that enjoy it very much and well you can't help but get dragged in and sing songs with them. I could see a mother taking time to put down her pen an thoughts and well...

What is significant is that you were all talking about FIELDS and a MEADOW is commonly mistaken for a field (I suppose one could say they are sorts of field).
Ok, then we would be interested where she lived then on our investigation.

Dumbledore always said that LV would connect the horcruxes with places that were important to him - the cave, for instance. The field where he discovered he could speak parseltongue could very well be one of them. After all, it is where he established (whether he knew it at the time or not) that he was connected to the great Slytherin.
So then it is highly likely from this statement that there could be one or more on the Hogwarts grounds: any chemistry buffs out there that could make any meaning out of HO GW AR TS I can see H2O out of HOfor water; and possibly ARgon (air) out of the ar. I want to think of Gold for some reason and dirt with the GW and TS I am associating with some isotope similar to Plutonium or other element that fire could be derived from. Well if anyone can make in more heads or tails from that...

So then it is highly likely from this statement that there could be one or more on the Hogwarts grounds: any chemistry buffs out there that could make any meaning out of HO GW AR TS I can see H2O out of HOfor water; and possibly ARgon (air) out of the ar. I want to think of Gold for some reason and dirt with the GW and TS I am associating with some isotope similar to Plutonium or other element that fire could be derived from. Well if anyone can make in more heads or tails from that...

W is Tungsten and S is Sulfur, but I don't think there's a G or a T for that matter. In either case... I'm not following with the chemistry bit :sad:

He kept listening, just in case there was some small clue, nor recognized for what it really was by the Muggles -- an unexplained disappearance, perhaps, or some strange accident...but the baggage-handlers' strike was followed by news on the drought in the South East...; then a helicopter that had almost crashed in a field in Surrey, then a famous acress's divorce from her famous husband..... the newsreader said, "And finally, Bungy the budgie has found a novel way of keeping cool this summer. Bungy, who lives at the Five Feathers in Barnsley, has learned to water-ski! Mary Dorkins, went to find out more..." "But Hogwarts is hidden," said Hermione, in surprise. "Everyone knows that...well, everyone who's read Hogwarts, A History, anyway."
"Just you then," said Ron. "So go on -- how d'you hide a place like Hogwarts?"
"It's bewitched," said Hermione. "If a muggle looks at it, all they see is a moldering old ruin with a sign over the entrance saying DANGER, DO NOT ENTER, UNSAFE."
"So Durmstrang'll just look like a ruin to an outsider too?"
"Maybe," said Hermione, shrugging, "or it might have Muggle repelling charms on it, like the World Cup stadium. And to keep foreign wizards from finding it, they'll have made it Unplottable." Silouetted on the dark horizon, high on the cliff over the lake, stood the many turrets and towers of Hogwarts castle. But the car had begun to shudder and was losing speed...They were over the lake -- the castle was right ahead -- Ron put his foot down. There was a loud clunk, a splutter, and the engine died completely.As they flew over the dark twisting lane down which they had walked earlier, Harry heard, over the whistling of the night air in his ears, Dumbledore muttering in some strange language again. He thought he understood why as he felt his broom shudder when they flew over the boundary wall into the grounds: Dumbledore was undoing the enchantments he himself had set around the castle so they could enter at speed.Dorkins, Ragmar - Manager of the Chudley Cannons, who collapsed in shock when they beat the Falcons in September 1999 (DP). Benjy Fenwick, he copped it too, we only ever found bits of him....that's Dorcas Meadowes, Voldemort killed her personally...and I can't find the reference to electricity going wild in the presence of magic. Hermione's quote.

How twisted and evil to hide a clue in a phrase/episode Harry listens to intently for clues, but can't find any ?!?

The field in Surrey, Brockdale bridge (plowed field, suspension bridge) were both in the demented journey of Vernon in book 1. Odd connection. We need 4 locations only, really. Since Harry it has been told by interview with JKR, has to find 4 horcruxes we can assume they are indeed 4 horcruxes and they have been found at some point between 1943 to the time that coresponds with the interview.

yes and the way to get that i guess is to try to figure out why they are important to LV!

Diary --> more than likely first horcrux; dual purpose; reopen the chamber of secrets but was supposed to be at a certain time of LVs direction; entrusted to Lucius Malfoy before vapormort era Not alot of help unless was to open the chamber again to retrieve something else; or to cause a distraction to retrieve something else from Hogwarts.

Lets see the shack -> 2 : a simple shelter from the elements ok; link to his special side, the side that made him special; Marvolo: the ring he's going to kill me. ok put it in the Hut.Testifies to the pureblood ancestory.

For fresh air during the summers:

The Sea Side - Cave- place he visited as a child. did something to two younger children they would not speak of. the ocean/sea; rocks, cliffs; hum slytherins locket but it was his mothers; Sealed entrance. maybe a memorial; a tomb; mostly covered by water and protected by the dead.

The Country side - Learned he could talk to snakes; could control animals, they sought him out and told him things. Definitely a place to look in my oponion. Ties to Moor (hope i go it right lol) valleys or rolling contryside infertile land, grasslands. Could be a hollow but doesnt matter just need to make a trip back to orphanage and inquire of the matron. to start the hunt. Hum seems to have ties with animals but not people.

Orphanage - london- Place LV was born; Place TRs mother died. the Place he found out that he was a wiz. wonder where his mother is buried? if here. hum Harry you are going to need to know how to detect "known magic" since have to come here anyway check the place out; I wonder if Mad-eye can see these hidden magics or known magics? inquire of Matron of Tom Riddle and the Matron of the time; take something to drink. try to find out info on the country visits and location. inquire if any donations or strange things have been donated...etc etc. we know he would have to come back here until 17. but magical enchantments make muggle stuff go hay-wire...

Hogwarts - the place LV had the strongest conection to; it was almost like a home. RoR I need a place to hide my Horcrux (3 times); ok accio horcrux?

Grim old place - Ok so we know that the locket was in the cave; one of the Blacks it looks like got it; but now we have to verify it is no longer a horcrux or if it is still; mental note learn spell to see if an item is a Horcrux talk to Slug. lol! If cannot find here or dung or kreacher than back to the cave and pry it out of a corpses cold dead hands! *mental note learn incantation for ring of fire AD did!

if these places are exhausted then would look at places off from the orphanage that TR would have wandered to; and some other things that come to mind: Gringotts (sp) tunnels below london; seems like u go deep enough you find some fire or a dragon lair!
Diagon Alley, Leaky Cauldron maybe; the only other places would be riddle home and graveyard. Listen for places where muggle stuff doesn't work. looks like a trip to bermuda into the triangle LOL. j/k

I hope the incantation to make a horcrux cant be a celestial body. that would bite.
but the earth is the culmination of the four elements too.
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W is Tungsten and S is Sulfur, but I don't think there's a G or a T for that matter. In either case... I'm not following with the chemistry bit :sad:

well i was looking more for the compounds as in ho = H2O so then any possible combinations that would lead to something. Oh well if it does not it does not.




W is Tungsten and S is Sulfur, but I don't think there's a G or a T for that matter. In either case... I'm not following with the chemistry bit :sad:

Symbols for the elements; JKR had envisoned Hogwarts-the houses to be like one of the elements Earth, Wind, Fire, Water and them all coming together in Harmony.

Just kind of wondered where that name came from and if there was anything hidden or symbolism behind it...

and I can't find the reference to electricity going wild in the presence of magic. Hermione's quote.

How twisted and evil to hide a clue in a phrase/episode Harry listens to intently for clues, but can't find any ?!?
Hermiones quote on electricity was I think when Draco was talking into his hand and Harry remarked it looked like he was talking into a Walkie-Talkie. then in her very Hermioneish way...How many times....

ah very, and I think it fits in with her style as I have tried to relate to magicians in the muggle world use slide of hand, smoke, mirrors to do there magic and want to direct your eye away from where they dont want you to look; so if they are doing something with there left hand will do something to draw your eye to there right hand...

Budgie the Helicopter (http://www.entertainmentrights.com/programming/animation/budgie-little-helicopter)

I don't think it has any significance to the Harry Potter series nor the Horcrux hunt really.

Hogwarts, yes, I said it, Hogwarts, School of Witchcraft and Wizardry is a Horcrux, and I have the evidence to back it up: go to www.mugglenet.com then go to the forums then go to Chamber of Secrets and go to "Tracking Down the Remaining Horcruxes v4.0" ..... Just do it! ::gets bonus from Nike::




If you really just did that, which I doubt anyone did, then I've wasted approximatly one minute of your life, *depending on how fast your internet connection is*... and I have succeeded! ::hides your one minute of your life, *depending on the fastness of your connection*, and refuses to give it back until you give me your soul::




If you just gave me your soul, which I doubt anyone did, then you are an idiot b/c how am I suppoused to give you back time? and why would you trade your soul for one flippin' minute of your life, *depending on your internet connection*. I mean you waste at least a minute each day either waiting for your microwave to beep or tying your shoe laces! (you should really just wear velcrow, it's a whole heck of a lot easier and very entertaining when your teacher is talking to you in French and your thinkin' "dude, zeese iz Aamericaa, parle vous englais!")





If you did sign over your soul then I say "Thanks, but no thanks!" ... the whole collecting souls thing isn't all it was hyped up to be back in the 90's... now it's more collecting vintage jelly sandles and refurbishing them, they're gonna make a come back, mark my words!



If you just read that I have succeeded in taking app. 5 minutes of your time, depending on how fast you can read... I say five minutes b/c if you just read that then you must be nearly illiterate b/c no intelligent person would have kept reading after I said that hogwarts was a horcrux... c'mon now!

Hogwarts, yes, I said it, Hogwarts, School of Witchcraft and Wizardry is a Horcrux, and I have the evidence to back it up: go to www.mugglenet.com then go to the forums then go to Chamber of Secrets and go to "Tracking Down the Remaining Horcruxes v4.0" ..... Just do it! ::gets bonus from Nike::




If you really just did that, which I doubt anyone did, then I've wasted approximatly one minute of your life, *depending on how fast your internet connection is*... and I have succeeded! ::hides your one minute of your life, *depending on the fastness of your connection*, and refuses to give it back until you give me your soul::




If you just gave me your soul, which I doubt anyone did, then you are an idiot b/c how am I suppoused to give you back time? and why would you trade your soul for one flippin' minute of your life, *depending on your internet connection*. I mean you waste at least a minute each day either waiting for your microwave to beep or tying your shoe laces! (you should really just wear velcrow, it's a whole heck of a lot easier and very entertaining when your teacher is talking to you in French and your thinkin' "dude, zeese iz Aamericaa, parle vous englais!")





If you did sign over your soul then I say "Thanks, but no thanks!" ... the whole collecting souls thing isn't all it was hyped up to be back in the 90's... now it's more collecting vintage jelly sandles and refurbishing them, they're gonna make a come back, mark my words!



If you just read that I have succeeded in taking app. 5 minutes of your time, depending on how fast you can read... I say five minutes b/c if you just read that then you must be nearly illiterate b/c no intelligent person would have kept reading after I said that hogwarts was a horcrux... c'mon now!

I have no time for this nonsense.

well i was looking more for the compounds as in ho = H2O so then any possible combinations that would lead to something. Oh well if it does not it does not.
I don't think JKR is any great shakes at chemistry...it was an interesting idea, though. (btw, HO is close to the symbol for an alkaline substance, needs the negative sign with it, though; water is both acid and base: HOH thinking is old school...:lol: , but what I was taught by the prof who had worked on the Manhattan Project!)JKR had envisoned Hogwarts-the houses to be like one of the elements Earth, Wind, Fire, Water and them all coming together in Harmony. JKR has a much more ancient concept of "chemistry", doesn't she? :lol: I do think those four "elements" can help us with the horcrux hunt, though. Water has been used. So three "elements" left, and three horcruxes + Voldything himself. I don't think his location will be tied to any of the three elements left, but can't prove that, of course. I wonder if we should consider the types of enchantments that could be associated with fire, earth and air. (I don't know if that will help or not...)

I think the goblet of fire might be one. Yes, I have slightly random theories. I'm random by nature...

I think the goblet of fire might be one. Yes, I have slightly random theories. I'm random by nature...
But the Goblet of Fire wasn't a trophy. The Triwizarding Cup is a trophy.

Also the Goblet of Fire is described as a "hewn wooden cup". Hufflepuff's Cup is described as "golden with finely wrought handles".

The Triwizarding Cup is a trophy.Hmmm, could the Hufflepuff Cup be protected by a maze of plants? Like, in a field? Or a forest? :eyebrows:

Did Voldemort make his horcrux locations Unplottable? Seems possible, if only to keep Muggles away. Why did Dumbledore have any difficulty in locating the cave? "Correct," said Dumbledore. "I have been looking for a very long time. I think...perhaps...I may be close to finding another one. There are hopeful signs.""Signs" of magic?..."Close" to finding one, but not quite there yet? Or just not sure at that point? Confused about the magical "signs" because RAB also used magic there to get past the protective enchantments?

I think this may be quite impossible but maybe Voldemorts wand is a Horcruxe?

I think this may be quite impossible but maybe Voldemorts wand is a Horcruxe?

Oh! That's a brilliant idea!! I think it might just be!!

Oh! That's a brilliant idea!! I think it might just be!!
This thread is for WHERE the remaining Horcruxes may be hidden. If you'd like to talk about WHAT the remaining Horcruxes are, please go to Identifying the Remaining Horcruxes v.4 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=75097).

Now back on-topic: Where, oh where, can those Horcruxes be? Oh where, oh where, can they be?

I think this may be quite impossible but maybe Voldemorts wand is a Horcruxe?
Oh! That's a brilliant idea!! I think it might just be!!
That would be for the Identifying the Remaining Horcruxes v.4 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=75097) thread...It wouldn't be so hard to track down, it must be with Voldemort; it would make the task of destroying it before facing Voldemort in a magical showdown nearly impossible...

Has Voldemort maybe placed Nagini in that field where he realized he could speak Parseltongue? Or does he keep her near him at all times? It's the same idea as the 'Voldy's wand is a horcrux' objection--how to destroy Nagini-as-a-horcrux before facing Voldemort...

I haven't (or don't remember!) posted on this thread yet, so excuse me if I bring up an already explained hypothesis...
What is the general consensus about Kreacher having the locket with him at Hogwarts? While Grimmauld Place would be the most likely place for the locket to still be, I thought it would be interesting if Kreacher had taken it with him to Hogwarts. Dobby could help Harry by bringing it to him or telling Harry about it(I believe Harry will go back to school, at least for a bit). Pure conjecture with no canon but HEY!!

4 horcruxes + Voldie = 5 locations

My guesses (not in order):
1. Riddle House
2. Countryside / Surrey
3. London near 12 Downing (since so many murders clustered there in Book 6)
4. Gringotts
5. Hogwarts (Voldie piece)

Sadly, given up on a foreign horcrux as no time. Note that if Gringotts is near 12 Downing there is room for one more location.

My guesses (not in order):
1. Riddle House
2. Countryside / Surrey
3. London near 12 Downing (since so many murders clustered there in Book 6)/ Gringotts
4. Foreign locale (which will give training for the assault on Hogwarts)
5. Hogwarts (Voldie piece)

Also, when Harry looks out the window in POA from the Leaky Cauldron, he sees a railway track (Railview Hotel, Cokesworth) and also a market place & greenhouses in muggle London below. Was that Vauxhall Gardens? Where Tom Riddle bought his diary?

Clapham, Sturgis Podmore and Stan Shunpike's hometown, is also a town outside London. I'll get the county and be back.

What is the general consensus about Kreacher having the locket with him at Hogwarts?
There's no consensus. Some think the locket is in Kreacher's bedroom at 12 Grimmauld. Some think taken by Mundungus. Why not in Kreacher's bedroom at Hogwarts?

I think that perhaps a foreign horcrux is mandated for the following reasons:
JKR has made a statement to the effect that we will, in the future, see a return of Krum. I'll assume he's graduated by book 7, which means that he'll either be in England for some reason, or in Bulgaria. I think the latter. Voldemort has a patented affinity with Eastern Europe, and I think it likely that the quest for the Horcruxes will take the friends to Bulgaria where they'll encounter both a Horcrux and Hermione's pen pal.

Additionally, I think that in tracking down the Horcruxes, we're likely to come across Ollivander or Flortescue. The mention of their disappearances seems too fleeting, and I think it likely that one of them holds some key to the Ravenclaw Horcrux. Nota Bene: Flortescue is one smart dude. He helps Harry with homework off the top of his head in PoA, and I think this jives well with him being integral in some way with Ravenclaw lore. Ollivander is also a possibility: he's a fairly archane kind of dude, one that might well be versed in pertinent lore.

Also, when Harry looks out the window in POA from the Leaky Cauldron, he sees a railway track (Railview Hotel, Cokesworth) and also a market place & greenhouses in muggle London below. Was that Vauxhall Gardens? Where Tom Riddle bought his diary?The Leaky Cauldron is on Charing Cross Road (http://www.explore-london.co.uk/char6.html), as guessed by some of us and confirmed in HBP. I can't find any mention of it overlooking a railway or greenhouses, but Harry can hear Muggle traffic in the street below. Vauxhall Road (not Vauxhall Gardens, which is a park) is probably Vauxhall Bridge Road, by Victoria Station - within walking distance, but you wouldn't see or hear it from Charing Cross Road. Railview Hotel Cokesworth is a made up place, probably 200 miles away from London!

which means that he'll either be in England for some reason, How about Bill's wedding to Fleur (one of the three champions and no doubt friendly with Krum). So no travel will be needed in order to bring him into the story.

The one Horcrux whose location I believe we can be confident about is the locket. I’ve skimmed through several pages of this thread and seen various proposals about this one, but although others have suggested the conclusion I’ve reached as a possibility, I haven’t seen them post the line from canon that lends weight to it over the other proposed locations. (Forgive me if I’ve simply missed it!)

The locations for the locket that have been suggested are as follows:
· At 12 Grimmauld Place, taken there from the cave by Regulus Black
· Taken from the rubbish at 12 Grimmauld Place by Kreacher (possibly to Hogwarts)
· With Mundugus Fletcher, as he has stolen it from Grimmauld Place
· With Aberforth Dumbledore, the barman from the Hog’s Head, as he has bought it from Mundugus

I believe that the above actually forms a complete sequence of events. There is very strong evidence pointing to R.A.B. being Regulus Black. Not only has JKR suggested that this is a good guess, but somebody elsewhere (sorry I forget who or where) has pointed out that the ‘R.A.B.’ is translated to ‘R.A.S.’ in the Swedish version of HBP; the word for 'Black' in this language starts with an ‘S’.

So to summarise:
Regulus takes the locket and it ends up at his family home, 12 Grimmauld Place. When years later the Order of the Phoenix take up residence, Harry, Hermione, the Weasleys et al come across it while cleaning/tidying and throw it into a sack for disposal. Kreacher meanwhile is rescuing everything he can; he takes the locket and puts it somewhere safe. After Sirius’s death, Mundungus steals items from the house including the locket, with the intention of selling them. Harry sees Mundugus with a suitcase full of these items whilst in Hogsmeade. Mundugus is with the barman from the Hog’s Head, who JKR has confirmed is Aberforth Dumbledore (although it is worth noting that most casual readers will be unaware of this unless they successfully deduced it from the clues in the books).

JKR has told us that Dumbledore’s family is a profitable line of enquiry and here’s the clincher for me that indicates that Mundugus sold the locket to Aberforth:

Harry, Ron and Hermione are heading towards the Three Broomsticks.
‘They bundled their scarves back over their faces and left the sweet shop. The bitter wind was like knives on their faces after the sugary warmth of Honeydukes. The street was not very busy; nobody was lingering to chat, just hurrying towards their destinations. The exceptions were two men a little ahead of them, standing just outside the Three Broomsticks. One was very tall and thin; squinting through his rain-washed glasses Harry recognized the barman who worked in the other Hogsmeade pub, the Hog’s Head. As Harry, Ron and Hermione drew closer, the barman drew his cloak more tightly around his neck and walked away, leaving the shorter man to fumble with something in his arms.’
(HBP UK Ed. p230)
The obvious interpretation for Aberforth drawing ‘his cloak more tightly around his neck’ is because it is bitterly cold. I rather suspect though that this is a classic piece of JKR misdirection and that the reason for his action is to hide something hanging around his neck i.e. the locket, which he has just purchased from Mundungus.

According to book 6 the ring and the diary horcruxes have most definitely been destroyed. Assuming the locket horcrux really was destroyed than according to Dumbledore he believed the following objects must be the remaining horcruxes: the snake, something of gryfindoors, and something of ravenclaws. Dumbledore said that he believed Voldemort might have only made 5 horcruxes before he murdered the Potters and had intended his 6th horcrux to be made with the murder of Harry himself. If Dumbledore was right that means that technically Harry only has 2 horcruxes to go after assuming that Voldemort never made a 6th horcrux and than Harry has Voldemort himelf to go after last. According to Dumbledore the only artifact of Gryfindoors known in exsistence is that sword the sorting hat gave to harry in CoS. So that means its unlikely Voldemort ever got his hands on an object of Godrics. That leaves something of Ravenclaws but what would it have been and how would he have gotten it? So far it seems that all the founders left some sort of golden valuable object.
Slytherin-gold locket
Hufflepuff- gold cup
Gryfindoor- a jewel encrusted sword

I'm beginning to think that Ravenclaw left something gold, shiny, and valuable behind as well.

I think that Voldemort most likely did accomplish his goal of 7 horcruxes if not before that night at the Potters, than after he returned. Than again he might still be saving the final horcrux for Harry's death. In book 6 and 7 it seems like the DE's puposely went out of their way not to kill Harry. Harry is Voldmeort's kill which is why I think the DE's have avoided attempting to murder Harry. I think that Voldemort might only have made 5 horcruxes and he's still holding out the 7th one for Harry. I hope I am right though because than it means Harry only has 2 horcruxes to go after.

Clapham, Sturgis Podmore and Stan Shunpike's, home towns, as reported in the Daily Prophet, is not only a district of London, but a town in North Yorkshire near the Lune river.

Please - no owls.

Okay ... there are many wonderful options here ...

Diary - Destroyed

Ring - Destroyed

Locket - in 12 Grimwauld (but more than likely pilfered by Mundungus or Kreatcher as of this point)

Hufflepuff - have we examined the "Smith" route. Tom Riddle stole the cup from Hepzibah Smith. Now, who is the ONLY Smith we know and WHAT house is he in. Might it be good old Zacharias Smith ... JK puts him everywhere in the books, yet he really is nothing more, at this point, than a pain the the butt ... so what about that angle?

Ravenclaw - the mirror is a good guess ... but I think that DD would have thought of that. I think that this will be the "thing" at Hogwarts that Voldermort transplanted when he went to see DD for the DADA job. You know - Snape could have planted something at Hogwarts after he got the job but before he "turned" - but this means that Snape would have known and never told anyone which means that he is really on Voldermorts side ... and I can't go on if I believe that ... but it is a possiblity.

Gryffindor - this one is tricky. I don't think it can be the sword. it was in DD office for too long and he would know - he was Albus Dumbledore for goodness sakes. I think this could be Harry - I know, I know not a direct decendent BUT he was able to pull the sword out of the HAT = hmmm You also have to by into the Harry as a Horcrux theory to get into this one. you know ,,, the sorting hat was Gryffindor's too

I think there is one that we have not even thought of - something completely unexpected.

I don't buy into the Nagini idea. If Nagini was around when he fell ... then why did he not summon Nagini to him all these years ... he could have sent her to find someone to help him. Or used her ... not a real option in my opinion.

At the very least ... if Harry is not a Horcrux ... there is something in Godric's Hollow ...

I can't wait to find out what is is.

:welcome:

That pretty much says it all. We need interviews gosh darn it !!!!

I re read that chapter in book6 where Dumbledore was telling Harry his theory on the remaining Horcruxes. Personally I don't think he was that far from the mark. According to him 2 horcruxes have been destroyed by himself and Harry: the ring and the diary. The locket horcrux has apparently been destroyed by RAB. Just ebcause the horcrux was destryoed doesn't mean the locket wa also. Dumbledore suspected that Nagini was a horcrux and since the only known artifact of Godrics had been in his office that would mean it must be something of Ravenclaws. Dumbledore also believes that Voldemort intended to use Harry's death to make his 6th and final horcrux but he failed. I don't think Voldemort has made his 6th horcrux yet. I think he's still waiting to get his hands on Harry so he can kill him and use him as his final trophy horcrux. If Vldemort hasn't made a 6th horcrux and 3 out his intended 6 that he already made have been destroyed that technically only leaves TWO horcruxes for Harry to find assuming that Voldemort never made a 6th horcrux.


The Mirror of Erised seems far too big to be a horcrux in my eyes. Voldemort seemes to have preferred lighter smaller items. The Mirror only shows you your hearts desire. All of VOldemorts horcruxes have some sort of evil lurking within. The diary had a 16 year old version of Riddle with the powers to open the CoS. The Mirror has no real evil inhibitions, it only shows you what you wish to see.

I also don't buy the Harry is a horcrux theory either. Voldemort had intended to literally DESTROY Harry. Not turn him into a living breathing Horcrux. Harrys death was supposed to be used to make a horcrux not turn himself into one. Harry has no part of Voldemort's soul in his body. Dumbledore has already pointed out to Harry that his own soul is far too pure and intact. Harry may have recieved some useful tools from Voldemort but he didn't recieve any part of his damaged soul.

agreed

Clapham, Sturgis Podmore and Stan Shunpike's, home towns, as reported in the Daily Prophet, is not only a district of London, but a town in North Yorkshire near the Lune river.

Please - no owls.
Stan Shunpike is from Clapham in London - you can tell from the way his accent is written in the books (note: he also has a cockney accent in the PoA film).

Hufflepuff - have we examined the "Smith" route. Tom Riddle stole the cup from Hepzibah Smith.
See Zacharias Smith: Descendant of Helga Hufflepuff? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=59990)

and Madam Pintsize's editorial (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/editorials/edit-madampintsize01.shtml)

Hmmm, could the Hufflepuff Cup be protected by a maze of plants? Like, in a field? Or a forest? :eyebrows:

Did Voldemort make his horcrux locations Unplottable? Seems possible, if only to keep Muggles away. Why did Dumbledore have any difficulty in locating the cave? "Correct," said Dumbledore. "I have been looking for a very long time. I think...perhaps...I may be close to finding another one. There are hopeful signs.""Signs" of magic?..."Close" to finding one, but not quite there yet? Or just not sure at that point? Confused about the magical "signs" because RAB also used magic there to get past the protective enchantments?

Couple things here; one pardon the pun; AD had a feel for it. He knew how to recognize it at the entrance. so one possibility it is a learned skill. Secondly, when ae you ever going to read Hogwarts a history? :lol: we know muggle stuff doesnt work correctly around things that have been magically enchanted. We also know AD reads muggle newspapers. so it would seem after reading of a plane loosing power several times at the same location could be an indicator of somewhere to look. But some enchantments dont seem to effect or have a range. #13 and #11 Grimmauld place dont seem to be effected!

From the 4 known horcruxes we know about (assuming nagini is one as well) this is where he placed them:
The locket: I believe he hid this himself. Dumbledore said he knew Voldemorts style even if it was a bit crude with the blood offering. He might have had some help in creating the entrapments though. Interesting to note how he left Slyhterin's locket at the place where vacationed as a child.
The ring: he didn't keep it after he turned it into a horcrux. He left it well protected in the Gaunt House surrounded by spells.
The diary: He got it when he was 16 and made it with Myrtle's death. Why did he entrust it to Lucius Malfoy though? I don't think Voldemort ever placed any strong enchantments aroudnt he diary to keep anyone from finding it and he didn't actually hide it. He always meant for someone to find it.
Nagini: He keeps the snake with him at all times and he even used the snake's milk to keep him alive when he was in his weak infant state.

He kept two horcruxes under well guard with enchantments and spells, one he gave to Lucius for safe keeping, and one that he always keeps with him. Is it possible that he keeps the remaining horcruxes with him? Did he give the remaining two to his favored DE's for safe keeping? Did he collect the items first and than make the horcruxes or did he make horcruxes at the time same time that he aquired the items to make them with?

My personal theory is that Voldemort might not have made all 6 horcruxes and only got to 5. Why? The only known relic of Gryfindoors is in Dumbledore's office. Unless while working for Borgin and Burkes he somehow came across another item. I think we cna rule out Voldemort getting any more relics from Hogwarts because he had no real access to Hogwarts so he could go through everythign and possibly come across an artifact. If I were going to start tracking down horcruxes I'd start at the place Voldemort first started working and aquiring artifacts. Borgin and Burkes.

I fully agree about the Griffindor sword. When I was reading book six, I just got a strong feeling that one of the Horcruxes was still very protected in Hogwarts and is the sword.

I fully agree about the Griffindor sword. When I was reading book six, I just got a strong feeling that one of the Horcruxes was still very protected in Hogwarts and is the sword.
Ah, but Dumbledore stated that the sword was safe. The sword was not in Dumbledore's office when Riddle came to ask him for a job. Harry was the first to make the sword appear.

My understanding of the Horcruxes is that Voldemort made 5 Horcruxes and then intended to make a sixth and final Horcrux from Harry’s death, but failed when the curse went awry and he was ripped from his body. This begs the question ‘What was the object Voldemort originally intended to make into his final Horcrux and what became of it?’ If it is necessary to make the Horcrux shortly after committing a murder then there is a good chance that Voldemort took it with him to Godric’s Hollow and that Harry will find it there.

When Voldemort was resurrected all those years later one of his first objectives was to create a sixth Horcrux so that his soul was split into 7 parts, 7 being the most magically powerful number, and that the ‘object’ he chose was Nagini. Whether Nagini was his first choice is unknown. I remember someone proposing a while back that Voldemort might have wished to use the Triwizard Cup to make his final Horcrux, after murdering Harry in the graveyard. This would certainly have been a suitable trophy and would explain why Crouch Jr went to such great lengths to make sure Harry won it, rather than simply turning any other object into a portkey to carry him to the Voldemort.

I’m not convinced that we can track down the location of all the remaining Horcruxes except the locket (see my post at the bottom of the previous page ;) ), however it is reasonable to suppose that Nagini will not be too far from her master’s side. (I wonder if the snake Harry freed from the zoo in PS might reappear to give him a hand defeating this particular obstacle? There would be a certain symmetry in that.)

Just as the Horcrux objects themselves are significant to Voldemort in some way so, it seems likely, are the hiding places for each. The ring was hidden in his ‘family home’, the locket in a cave from his childhood. (The diary is an exception, since it had a special purpose beyond simply protecting Voldemort from mortality.) I cannot think of many other significant places that might be candidates though. There is the aforementioned graveyard where his Muggle family are buried, but that would be a reminder of an aspect of himself he detests and so seems unlikely. There is Borgin & Burkes where he once worked, but hiding something so important in a shop would be foolish beyond belief. Others have suggested places in Eastern Europe where he travelled or somewhere in the British countryside where he went as a boy, but even if these turn out to be true they are unfortunately too vague to really provide us with any inkling as to how the story will pan out. The only place of real significance to Voldemort that I can think of is Hogwarts and in particular the CoS. The problem is that it seems unlikely that he could have hidden anything here without Dumbledore being aware of it, given that he appears to have created his Horcruxes after he left school. He certainly didn’t open the chamber again after Myrtle was killed.

One thing that we can be certain of is that the locations will be very well hidden and very well protected. JKR has said that Harry has learned more than he knows and his experiences at Hogwarts have certainly been good preparation for his task of tracking down and destroying the Horcruxes! Not only did he, with a little help, defeat all the protections placed around the Philosopher’s Stone in the very first book, he also succeeded in the three testing Triwizard tasks as well!

If Voldemort was never able to locate an object of Godrics than he must have used somethign else as a substitute but what?

Dumbledore suspected before he died that Voldemort had turned Nagini into a horcrux. How long has Nagini been around for? Either Voldemor tmade Nagini into a horcrux before he was defeated by Harry the first time or afterwards. Why is it significant when he turned her into a horcrux? Because if he turned her into a horcrux before 1980 that means he may not have gotten hsi hands on a relic of Godrics but if he made her into a horcrux after 1980and he's accomplished all 6 horcruxes that might mean he did find something of Godrics.

My theory is that Voldemort plans to eventually use Harry's death to make his 6th horcrux.

My theory is that Voldemort plans to eventually use Harry's death to make his 6th horcrux.I agree with this totally!!
As for the Gryffendor item it has been speculated that Peverell (ring) is somehow connected to GG. BUT that is for the other thread.............
As for locations, has Albania been totally discredited yet?

Stan Shunpike is from Clapham in London - you can tell from the way his accent is written in the books (note: he also has a cockney accent in the PoA film)
Aha! movie-canonist!

(I wonder if the snake Harry freed from the zoo in PS might reappear to give him a hand defeating this particular obstacle? There would be a certain symmetry in that.)
Absolutely, friendship and favors returned.

I’m not convinced that we can track down the location of all the remaining Horcruxes except the locket (see my post at the bottom of the previous page, however it is reasonable to suppose that Nagini will not be too far from her master’s side. Oh I quite despair of it. But it is amazing the depth of research and what can be uncovered or speculated about. Like every word or image is the tip of an iceberg.

As for locations, has Albania been totally discredited yet?

Yet?

Apparently you missed the purge of the Albanianistas (even tho' a country named for Albus himself). Shipiqueri of Albania I remain. But I'm beginning to fear Harry will be running out of time. 4 Privet, Burrow, Godric's Hollow, 12 Grimmauld, break in at Gringotts, Riddle House, Albania, Hogwarts... It's a lot, even with thestrals, hippogriffs, portkeys, apparition and broomsticks. Oh yes, and floo powder.

There is Borgin & Burkes where he once worked, but hiding something so important in a shop would be foolish beyond belief. Others have suggested places in Eastern Europe where he travelled or somewhere in the British countryside where he went as a boy, but even if these turn out to be true they are unfortunately too vague to really provide us with any inkling as to how the story will pan out. The only place of real significance to Voldemort that I can think of is Hogwarts and in particular the CoS.

Yes, well put. Hogwarts is absolutely a vital location.

I'm thinking on Borgin & Burkes that there are many ways they could have ended up with an important object. Ie if Voldie left something with another supporter - LUDO BAGMAN - who sold it to cover gambling debts, or with someone who died, so it passed to the unsuspecting who may have sold it, or if Malfoy messed up again & got rid of it.

I don't know what the death eaters were seeking near the Muggle Minister's home (10 Downing). Emmeline Vance was killed near there. Nor what's in Malfoy manor.

I think that the Mirror of Erised is the Raven Claw horcux. This is silly, and perhaps a tad off subject, (but not really) but I was recently playing the Playstation Harry Potter and The Sorcer's Stone and you had to "kill" Voldemort by using the mirror. And it made me think... that mirror is NOT finished with the story. it did have the "claw like" feet. .. .it was good to know that someone else thought that too. :)
I also think that the locket that was in the Black house.... (remember when Harry and the gang were cleaning the house for the OOTP?) might have belonged to RAB? Regulus Black!?

OKAY ... and one big question. Does anyone thing HARRY is a horcrux?

I can't believe that people have finally decided to dump Albania. :clap:

I haven't totally dumped Albania, its just that there hasn't been much dicussion for or against it lately...........
IF and I say if there is going to be any traveling, then Albania would get my vote, but seeing as there are so many other viable locations, I'm not going to hold my breath!!!

That was why I didn't think it was likely. Just because Harry had so much to do and so many other locations in the UK that he needed to check out. I want the book to be long, but if it exceeds 1000 pages I won't be able to hold it up while reading.

That was why I didn't think it was likely. Just because Harry had so much to do and so many other locations in the UK that he needed to check out. I want the book to be long, but if it exceeds 1000 pages I won't be able to hold it up while reading.
I can completely appreciate that!! Arthritis runs in my family and it's starting to affect me already. It really bothers me when its cold and wet.
I wonder if Harry yelled ollie ollie oxenfree would the HX's jump out and show themselves?????????????

I don't know what the death eaters were seeking near the Muggle Minister's home (10 Downing). Emmeline Vance was killed near there. Nor what's in Malfoy manor.
'Near 10 Downing Street' includes in all manner of important government offices, see map:
Downing St and surrounding area (http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=530000.759760188&Y=180000.532672911&gride=530122.759760188&gridn=179919.532672911&scale=10000&coordsys=gb&db=GB&lang=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&localinfosel=&local=&kw=&srec=0&mapsize=big&db=GB&rt=)

Charing Cross Road is to the north: the location of Diagon Alley.

So the location of Emmeline Vance's murder could be wizarding, but how would the Muggle government get to find out about it? So that makes it more likely that her body was found by Muggles in a Muggle setting.

So the location of Emmeline Vance's murder could be wizarding, but how would the Muggle government get to find out about it? So that makes it more likely that her body was found by Muggles in a Muggle setting.Yeah, just like the muggles had started to swarm around the Potters dwelling in Godric's Hollow as Hagrid was taking Harry from the house.

Most wizards live near muggles...and don't necessarily have their homes as unplottable---like 12 Grimmauld Place is. Even Douse & Purge {St. Mungo's}, the Leaky Cauldron, and the MoM reside in visible buildings in muggle inhabited areas.

I can completely appreciate that!! Arthritis runs in my family and it's starting to affect me already. It really bothers me when its cold and wet.
I wonder if Harry yelled ollie ollie oxenfree would the HX's jump out and show themselves????????????? Accio Riddle's Horcruxes!

Mental image of that is kind of scary; A giant snake flying at you followed by something that looks like a flying corpse and no telling what else...

Yeah, just like the muggles had started to swarm around the Potters dwelling in Godric's Hollow as Hagrid was taking Harry from the house.

Most wizards live near muggles...and don't necessarily have their homes as unplottable---like 12 Grimmauld Place is. Even Douse & Purge {St. Mungo's}, the Leaky Cauldron, and the MoM reside in visible buildings in muggle inhabited areas.

Well, the Leaky Cauldron can only be seen by magic folk, is what dumbledore told TR in the orphange memory.

Yeah, just like the muggles had started to swarm around the Potters dwelling in Godric's Hollow as Hagrid was taking Harry from the house.

Most wizards live near muggles...and don't necessarily have their homes as unplottable---like 12 Grimmauld Place is. Even Douse & Purge {St. Mungo's}, the Leaky Cauldron, and the MoM reside in visible buildings in muggle inhabited areas.

When I read your note I remembered something that was written when Hagrid and Harry arrived at the the Leaky Cauldron for the first time. If Hagrid hadn't pointed it out, Harry wouldn't have noticed it was there. People didn't glance it. Their eyes slide from the big book shop on one side to record show on the other.... Harry had the mot peculiar feeling that only he and Hagrid could see it.

From this and the other references, unless it blew up, the Potters in Godric Hollow, I don't think muggles really saw places that were visable to wizards. 12 Grimmauld was between two houses but not there until Harry "thought" the address.

King, I have a question about Harry's scar. Could it "feel" where the items are hidden? I was rereading Half Blood Prince and noticed when they entered the cave, Harry had the shivers but it did state he wasn't sure if it was the cold or not. But if his scar could tell him when Voldemort was mad, angry, etc...could it also lead him to where the Horcruxes are hidden??? If Dumbedore understood Voldemort since he taught him, could the Pensive hold all the answers, since Dumbedore put most if not all his thoughts into it?

I don't think this is true, but it could be a possiblity that LV, or Tom Riddle, could have put on of the Horcruxes into Gringots bank?

I can't believe that people have finally decided to dump Albania. :clap:
let me quote myself

Shipiqueri of Albania I remain. But I'm beginning to fear Harry will be running out of time.
I still like the place. And definitely the reasons for it ,10 years gosh darn it, & went there twice. There can be no other location so meaningful to Voldie... except the Riddle house. But the timing factor. (since people tell me there will be no time travel.)

I don't think this is true, but it could be a possiblity that LV, or Tom Riddle, could have put on of the Horcruxes into Gringotts bank?
Someone had a great theory on this when I first joined the forum, but I don't see him around now. But when I was re-reading the series, Hagrid talks all the time about how crazy someone would have to be to break into Gringotts. So the theory was... they'll have to break into Gringotts.

I can't remember all his supporting facts, but Bill working at Gringotts was one. And, when I was reading about the ROBBERY WHERE NOTHING WAS TAKEN, it occurred to me...what if Quirrell put something IN Gringotts - not take it out. What could be safer then?

Even the goblin guardians don't know it's there, but it is as "safe as a bank". I'm thinking the thing is invisible in there. So something invisible, hidden in a vault in Gringotts, that Harry etc. have to break it to get, passing a MAZE of tunnels, a rollercoaster ride, and possibly DRAGONS and who knows what else. I mean, it would be cool.

I still like the place. And definitely the reasons for it ,10 years gosh darn it, & went there twice. There can be no other location so meaningful to Voldie... except the Riddle house. But the timing factor. (since people tell me there will be no time travel.)
I think it possible especially if he spent time there after he left Hogwarts/B&B wih Harry getting his licence to CRACK Albania (with some instructions from wormtail) Hogsmead CRACK! Hogs head for a beer...

Even the goblin guardians don't know it's there, but it is as "safe as a bank". I'm thinking the thing is invisible in there. So something invisible, hidden in a vault in Gringotts, that Harry etc. have to break it to get, passing a MAZE of tunnels, a rollercoaster ride, and possibly DRAGONS and who knows what else. I mean, it would be cool.
Uh or a lake of fire!

King, I have a question about Harry's scar. Could it "feel" where the items are hidden? I was rereading Half Blood Prince and noticed when they entered the cave, Harry had the shivers but it did state he wasn't sure if it was the cold or not.This has happened several times before, the shiver on the neck...it happened in Ollivander's wand shop in PS/SS. Harry was actually sensing the magic in the air. But if his scar could tell him when Voldemort was mad, angry, etc...could it also lead him to where the Horcruxes are hidden??? Well, we know for certain that Harry had his hand on one Horcrux and felt nothing in his scar at all---Riddle's diary. If most everyone is correct, the locket at 12 Grimmauld Place being the Locket Horcrux nicked by Regulus, then Harry would have had his hands on not one but two of LVs Horcruxes, and felt nothing in his scar.

I don't believe his scar can detect the Horcruxes at all.
If Dumbedore understood Voldemort since he taught him, could the Pensive hold all the answers, since Dumbedore put most if not all his thoughts into it?Well, JK did tell us that "Dumbledore has given him some pretty valuable clues and Harry, also, in the course of previous six books has amassed more knowledge than he realizes."

I do believe that Harry has more knowledge than we've seen {Dorcas Meadowes}...and that perhaps DD will leave his Pensieve and bottles of memories to Harry, to aid him on his hunt and destroy Horcrux mission...

I don't mean the actual Horcruxes but the magic that protects them. The diary was an exception as Voldemort wanted someone to find it so they could open the Chamber and wreak havoc on mudbloods. That's why no one felt anything. (Although I've very sure that Malfoy knew what it held. That's why he gave it to Ginny so it would discredit the Weasley family.) Whenever Harry is around sinister magic, his (for lack of a better term) sixth sense kicks in. That's why I think both the Pensive and the Mirror of Erised will show how he finds them. The Mirror helped him find the stone and the Pensive holds clues.

(And I still think one is in the Room of Requirement, no matter what you guys say. It's really a neat room. Wish I had one. :cool:)

Lets see...we have the journal, the ring, the locket, and voldemort himself...so that leads three. I think they are hufflepuff's cup, something of ravenclaw and something at godric's hollow(i think it has some relation to godric gryffinor...cause godric and godric) or it is in the room of requirement. I do think that it also has some thing to do with the 7 deadly sins and that was already listed but i agree on that. I also remember hearing that J.K. say that we should have already guessed one by the end of HBP...maybe thats the cup or somethin but i dunno.

I don't think that Harry is a horocrux because Voldie would not knowingly repeatedly attempt to destroy part of his soul. Right?

I don't mean the actual Horcruxes but the magic that protects them.I think Harry seeing DD in action, actively detecting magical traces, is going to be something that Harry will employ to get passed LVs magical enchantments protecting his other Horcruxes.
The diary was an exception as Voldemort wanted someone to find it so they could open the Chamber and wreak havoc on mudbloods. That's why no one felt anything. (Although I've very sure that Malfoy knew what it held. That's why he gave it to Ginny so it would discredit the Weasley family.)We are told in "HBP, Horcruxes" that Malfoy did not know what the diary was...only that LV had told him it was cleverly enchanted, and that it would be able to re-open the Chamber of Secrets.
Whenever Harry is around sinister magic, his (for lack of a better term) sixth sense kicks in. That's why I think both the Pensive and the Mirror of Erised will show how he finds them. The Mirror helped him find the stone and the Pensive holds clues.Harry's reactions are instinctive, absolutely. However, the Mirror only helped Harry get the Stone because of how it was enchanted by DD...JK told us what Harry would see if he gazed into the Mirror again: He would have to see Voldemort finished, dead gone, wouldn't he? Because he knows now that he will have no peace and no rest until this is accomplished.

Basically, the Mirror only worked in the manner that it did in PS/SS because of DDs enchantment...so I don't believe that it would aide Harry at all to look into it again.(And I still think one is in the Room of Requirement, no matter what you guys say. It's really a neat room. Wish I had one. :cool:)Well, we don't know that LV ever knew of the Room of Requirement...if he did, then perhaps it is a possibility. But we have no canon to date that shows one way or the other whether LV ever knew of that specific room.

I was in another thread and I noticed something written by linaluna that intrigued me.....

I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this, but speaking of Harry's tasks (Horcrux location) and clues in Book 1
"That does it." said Uncle Vernon..."We're going away. Just pack some clothes. No arguments."..
They drove. And they drove. Even Aunt Petunia didn't dare ask where they were going. Every now and then Uncle Vernon would take a sharp turn and drive in the opposite direction for a while....Uncle Vernon stopped at last outside a gloomy-looking hotel on the outskirts of a big city..Railview Hotel, Cokeworth...
"Wouldn't it be better just to go home, dear?" Aunt Petunia suggested timidly, hours later, but Uncle Vernon didn't seem to hear her. Exactly what he was looking for, none of them knew. He drove them into the middle of a forest, got out, looked around, shook his head, got back into the car, and off they went again. The same thing happened in the middle of a plowed field, halfway across a suspension bridge, and at the top of a multilevel parking garage.
"Daddy's gone mad, hasn't he?" Dudley asked Aunt Petunia...
"Found the perfect place!" he said...It was very cold outside the car. Uncle Vernon was pointing at what looked like a large rock way out at sea. Perched on top of the rock was the most miserable little shack you could imagine...

- Railview Hotel, Cokeworth
a forest
a field
a bridge (Brockdale Bridge that Voldie destroyed just pre-HBP?)(Brock=badger)
a parking garage (built over what?)(Q. the wreckage of Godric's Hollow?)(or on top = looking in air?)
a rock on an island, miserable

Then there is Azkaban prison...miserable...on an island at sea...
And the fact that Wizards can enchant things to look different from the outside (Hogwarts appears as a moldy ruin)...
And to be larger on the inside than they appear on the outside (Weasley's Ford Anglia, tent at GOF)....



I think they may have touched upon something a lot more serious than they think.....allow me to explain....

-(1st Horcrux) Railview Hotel, Cokeworth

***The DIARY HORCRUX was located in Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry and before then it was stored in the Malfoy Mansion. Both buildings are so large and vast and house so many people that it could be considered similar to a hotel.***


(2nd Horcrux)a forest

***Dumbledore found the RING HORCRUX in the Gaunt House which was located in the Middle Of A Forest.***

(3rd Horcrux)a field

***We know that when Voldemort came to kill the Potter's James held him off while Lily n Harry ran out of the house into what is most likely A Field. Voldemort was killed in this field and it is likely that one of his HORCRUX'S was with him which is why he turned into a vapor.***

(4th Horcrux)a bridge (Brockdale Bridge that Voldie destroyed just pre-HBP?)(Brock=badger)

***It may very well be that the CUP HORCRUX is hidden beneath the Brockdale Bridge.***

(5th Horcrux)parking garage

***This is the only location that confuses him. The idea of a "parking garage" could mean many things. Maybe it literally means the Dursley's garage, or maybe it is the garage/storage room of Voldemort's headquarters. maybe we will find the last horcrux in Voldemort's headquarters right before Harry kills him. Maybe by "parking garage" it means where NAGINI sleeps in Voldemort's Lair and that Harry will kill her before he goes for Voldemort.***

(6th Horcrux)a rock on an island

***As we all know the LOCKET HORCRUX was originally located on a very tiny Rock in the middle of a lake. This could easily be considered an island.***



This entire seen in SS/PS seems ridiculous and doesn't seem to have any purpose. Why would we need to know that Uncle Vernon drove them to all these strange places, it seems unecessary. that is why I strongly feel JKR may have been foreshadowing a very important clue very early on and I feel we may already know the location of all the horcruxes Harry must track down.

I've never thought of that. At all.
I'm not too quick to pick up on things like this, you see. xD
All of that, however, makes sense. I dunno how accurate it will be come the seventh book, but it's something that I'll definitley keep in mind. It does make sense.

I don't know that JKR would have thought so much about the Horcruxes and such in the beginning of the first book. I think that the whole scene was just to show how crazy Uncle Vernon was over the Hogwarts letters. It seems that JKR writes the books as she goes, I don't know that she put so many clues to the 7th book in the first...just my opinion

I do think that we've had hints towards some of the horcrux locations, but I don't think they're included in Uncle Vernon's mad adventures. Like krazee_kween said, I don't think JKR knew of the locations of the horcruxes in PS/SS. IMHO, she did have the main storyline planned, but the details such as this are a little too much to have in the first book. Now, we have had hints to where some of the horcruxes may be and there are threads to discuss it, but I'm not sure that we've had all 7 locations foreshadowed to us. Only one way to find out, eh?

Well it did take her 5 years to write the backstory, and thats longer than any book. I still think she knew all about the horcruxes/locations by book 1.

-(1st Horcrux) Railview Hotel, Cokeworth

***The DIARY HORCRUX was located in Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry and before then it was stored in the Malfoy Mansion. Both buildings are so large and vast and house so many people that it could be considered similar to a hotel.***
It also seems to have been with Bellatrix Lestrange previous to Malfoy. I wouldn't consider a castle or a mansion as being hotel-like, though.

(2nd Horcrux)a forest

***Dumbledore found the RING HORCRUX in the Gaunt House which was located in the Middle Of A Forest.***
The hovel was more backing on to a wood than being in a forest as such, I suppose it's near enough.

(3rd Horcrux)a field

***We know that when Voldemort came to kill the Potter's James held him off while Lily n Harry ran out of the house into what is most likely A Field. Voldemort was killed in this field and it is likely that one of his HORCRUX'S was with him which is why he turned into a vapor.***
Hagrid quite clearly says that he pulled Harry out of the wreckage of the Potters' house, so Lily was most likely killed inside the house not in a field.

(4th Horcrux)a bridge (Brockdale Bridge that Voldie destroyed just pre-HBP?)(Brock=badger)

***It may very well be that the CUP HORCRUX is hidden beneath the Brockdale Bridge.***
Remember there's a river beneath the bridge, I think nearby might be a strong possibility however.

(5th Horcrux)parking garage

***This is the only location that confuses him. The idea of a "parking garage" could mean many things. Maybe it literally means the Dursley's garage, or maybe it is the garage/storage room of Voldemort's headquarters. maybe we will find the last horcrux in Voldemort's headquarters right before Harry kills him. Maybe by "parking garage" it means where NAGINI sleeps in Voldemort's Lair and that Harry will kill her before he goes for Voldemort.***
It says 'top of a multi-storey car park' in the British edition - that's pretty unambiguous. And you don't build multi-storey car parks in villages.

If anything, it may symbolise a Horcrux is to be found high up - which would be appropriate for the Ravenclaw object.

(6th Horcrux)a rock on an island

***As we all know the LOCKET HORCRUX was originally located on a very tiny Rock in the middle of a lake. This could easily be considered an island.***
Hmm, maybe.

The fact that the quoted passage reads so well suggests to me that it isn't a clue.

I think you're digging way too deep here... :|

-(1st Horcrux) Railview Hotel, Cokeworth

***The DIARY HORCRUX was located in Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry and before then it was stored in the Malfoy Mansion. Both buildings are so large and vast and house so many people that it could be considered similar to a hotel.***
I don't really consider manor houses to be similar to hotels. Nor do I consider castles to be similar to hotels.

(2nd Horcrux)a forest

***Dumbledore found the RING HORCRUX in the Gaunt House which was located in the Middle Of A Forest.***
The Gaunt house isn't located in the middle of a forest. I just pictured their yard as being rather overgrown with a few trees, and so it was a mess in comparison with the Riddles' pristinely manicured lawn.
(3rd Horcrux)a field

***We know that when Voldemort came to kill the Potter's James held him off while Lily n Harry ran out of the house into what is most likely A Field. Voldemort was killed in this field and it is likely that one of his HORCRUX'S was with him which is why he turned into a vapor.***
I'm not sure why you think that James and Lily's house was in a field. It was in the village of Godric's Hollow. I suppose there might be a field somewhere nearby, but I don't think this part of your argument is at all compelling. And I don't think LV would have brought a horcrux with him when he went to attack Harry. He probably brought an object with him that he intended to turn into a horcrux, but he was unable to turn it into a horcrux since he was unable to kill Harry. I don't see why he would have brought a horcrux with him. The whole point of the horcrux is to keep it in a separate location from your body.
(4th Horcrux)a bridge (Brockdale Bridge that Voldie destroyed just pre-HBP?)(Brock=badger)

***It may very well be that the CUP HORCRUX is hidden beneath the Brockdale Bridge.***
Not sure about this one, either. I think that LV would hide his horcruxes in locations that meant something personally to him. The ring is hidden in the Gaunt house, where his family lived, and the locket was in the cave, another location with a personal connection for LV. I don't think the location of a random mass Muggle-killing is important enough for LV to hide a horcrux there.
(5th Horcrux)parking garage

***This is the only location that confuses him. The idea of a "parking garage" could mean many things. Maybe it literally means the Dursley's garage, or maybe it is the garage/storage room of Voldemort's headquarters. maybe we will find the last horcrux in Voldemort's headquarters right before Harry kills him. Maybe by "parking garage" it means where NAGINI sleeps in Voldemort's Lair and that Harry will kill her before he goes for Voldemort.***
I think this is stretching it a little...
6th Horcrux)a rock on an island

***As we all know the LOCKET HORCRUX was originally located on a very tiny Rock in the middle of a lake. This could easily be considered an island.***
This is the only piece of your argument that makes any sense to me at all. This is possible.

This entire seen in SS/PS seems ridiculous and doesn't seem to have any purpose. Why would we need to know that Uncle Vernon drove them to all these strange places, it seems unecessary. that is why I strongly feel JKR may have been foreshadowing a very important clue very early on and I feel we may already know the location of all the horcruxes Harry must track down.
I think the whole point of the scene was to be ridiculous. It was to show how very ridiculous Vernon was being about Harry and those letters. I give you credit for thinking all this up, but I don't find your argument to be very sound. You're stretching the canon to fit your theory. We could find connections between any two things by doing that. The only piece of your argument that makes a good connection between a horcrux location and one of the locations Vernon drove to is the connection between the rock and the locket horcrux. If you can make this firm of a connection between the other horcruxes and the other locations Vernon drove to, you might have something, but as of right now, your connections are not firm enough. I'd love to see where you go with this idea, though!

Clutching at straws me thinks. It can't be that easy. Plus there is no proof.

I think your reading a little too much into this. A lot of your evidence is tenuous at best.

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King, I have a question about Harry's scar. Could it "feel" where the items are hidden? I was rereading Half Blood Prince and noticed when they entered the cave, Harry had the shivers but it did state he wasn't sure if it was the cold or not.

This has happened several times before, the shiver on the neck...it happened in Ollivander's wand shop in PS/SS. Harry was actually sensing the magic in the air.

I think this interesting, HP also states that he was shivering and seemed to have another feeling but could not discern if it was just from being cold or not. this may be elluding to one of the things JKR is alluding to: that Harry is able to detect magic at the core level and just needs to focus or concentrate his powers on it and learn how to better use them.

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But if his scar could tell him when Voldemort was mad, angry, etc...could it also lead him to where the Horcruxes are hidden???
Well, we know for certain that Harry had his hand on one Horcrux and felt nothing in his scar at all---Riddle's diary. If most everyone is correct, the locket at 12 Grimmauld Place being the Locket Horcrux nicked by Regulus, then Harry would have had his hands on not one but two of LVs Horcruxes, and felt nothing in his scar.

I don't believe his scar can detect the Horcruxes at all.

This is interesting as well, not the fact that the scar could lead him, but the connection the scar seems to have with LV and Harry being able to as Snape would hate for me to say, Read his mind. So, i wonder if we have had some imagery somewhere of a place in HPs dreams that could have been deep dark secrets of LVs hidey-holes; With LVs use of Occlumency (sp) I dont know what he might be able to learn here on out, from this ability, maybe in the future Voldy forgets to clear his mind having found out that somehow someone has found out about one of his horcruxes! who knows....the plot thikens even more! MUWHAHAHAA!

(And I still think one is in the Room of Requirement, no matter what you guys say. It's really a neat room. Wish I had one. :cool:)
Well I do think Hogwarts is high on the list of possible places so the RoR is not to far fetched. I have been wondering since Harry hid in that thing to hide from Draco and Lucius, his first visit to Borgin & Burkes, if this could be the vanishing closest/cabinet (or whatever it was called). If so, then I wonder how the one in Hogwarts got broken? does it parallel the theory of objects behaving badly? and further, has Draco assisted HP by fixing the cabinet? What irony!

Good theories, but doubtful that she was going to plan out that much foreshadowing in the first book. I think we can all agree that she probably has included foreshadowing in many different areas, but I HIGHLY doubt she sat down and, while writing her descriptions, decided to give us the clues to something she wasn't planning on revealing until the final two books.

I`m guessing the horcrux is somewhere at Hogwart!!

I have been wondering since Harry hid in that thing to hide from Draco and Lucius, his first visit to Borgin & Burkes, if this could be the vanishing closest/cabinet (or whatever it was called). If so, then I wonder how the one in Hogwarts got broken?

HorcruxBuster, I believe you're correct; we can be certain that the 'large, black' cabinet Harry hid in during CoS is indeed the vanishing cabinet the Death Eaters use to enter Hogwarts in HBP (Harry only pulled the doors to; he didn't close them). We can also be pretty sure that the neckless he sees Draco inspecting with the card reading 'Caution: Do Not Touch. Cursed - Has Claimed the Lives of Nineteen Muggle Owners to Date' is the one that hospitalises Katie Bell in HBP.

We know exactly how the vanishing cabinet at Hogwarts was broken! Check out the chapter 'The Deathday Party' in CoS (p98-99 UK Paperback Edition) ;). Filch has marched Harry down to his office when he hears a loud bang. When he comes back, he's looking triumphant and saying to Mrs Norris 'That vanishing cabinet was extremely valuable! We'll have Peeves out this time, my sweet.' After Filch lets Harry go because he's discovered his KwikSpell course, Harry runs into Nearly Headless Nick:

Behind him, Harry could see the wreckage of a large black and gold cabinet which appeared to have been dropped from a great height.
'I persuaded Peeves to crash it right over Filch's office,' said Nearly Headless Nick eagerly. 'Thought it might distract him -'

Well it did take her 5 years to write the backstory, and thats longer than any book. I still think she knew all about the horcruxes/locations by book 1.

i agree however as to your theory i am not so sure...good thinking though!

good work.....but I dont think it's going to happen, the point was to be ridiculous. And I don't think JKR planned that far ahead. If she did, kudos to her

We know exactly how the vanishing cabinet at Hogwarts was broken! Check out the chapter 'The Deathday Party' in CoS (p98-99 UK Paperback Edition) ;). Filch has marched Harry down to his office when he hears a loud bang. When he comes back, he's looking triumphant and saying to Mrs Norris 'That vanishing cabinet was extremely valuable! We'll have Peeves out this time, my sweet.' After Filch lets Harry go because he's discovered his KwikSpell course, Harry runs into Nearly Headless Nick:

Oh, that is right! very good! Most excelent observation! so.. that means up until then. there was an unknown secret way in and out of Hogwarts!!!!!!!! from Borgin & Burkes!

I've ben away for a long time, and have only read this v4, so please feel free to pull me back on the path if I stray into areas that have already been covered elsewhere!

I like the idea that only 6 Horcruxes exist, with Harry's death (or the end of the Potter family) being planned as the foundation of the 7th being made. Nice work!

I'm a little stumpped on something though, and that is how Lucius got his hands on the diary. Do we know for sure that LV gave it to him for safekeeping? Or did Lucius swipe it when LV disappeared after attacking Harry as a baby as some sort of momento? Because as DD pointed out, LV doesn't seem to have really trusted anyone, especially not to have told any of his followers the significance of such an object.

If on the otherhand, LV did give it to Lucius, why him? And is LV likely to have entrusted any other Horcrux to any of the other DEs? Bella for example?

I have been wondering since Harry hid in that thing to hide from Draco and Lucius, his first visit to Borgin & Burkes, if this could be the vanishing closest/cabinet (or whatever it was called). If so, then I wonder how the one in Hogwarts got broken? does it parallel the theory of objects behaving badly? and further, has Draco assisted HP by fixing the cabinet? What irony!
It is the other one in the pair of cabinets, but the one in Hogwarts was dropped by Peeves (via a suggestion by Nearly Headless Nick) directly above Filch's office in CoS as a diversion to get Harry out of Filch's office.

We don't know where the one in Hogwarts was before it was dropped, but dropping it definitely damaged it.

well the next horcruxes will be something from hufflepuff and ravenclaw.

I like the idea that only 6 Horcruxes exist, with Harry's death (or the end of the Potter family) being planned as the foundation of the 7th being made. Nice work!
Not sure what you're saying here. Dumbledore tells us quite clearly in HBP that Voldemort intended to make 6 Horcruxes in order to split his soul into 7 pieces (the seventh piece still being inside him) and that he planned to make the sixth and final Horcrux from Harry's death. As this didn't happen due to the backfiring Avada Kedavra, years later after restoring his powers Voldemort made Nagini into his sixth Horcrux using somebody else's death or so Dumbledore believed.

I'm a little stumpped on something though, and that is how Lucius got his hands on the diary. Do we know for sure that LV gave it to him for safekeeping?
Dumbledore explains this in HBP in the 'Horcruxes' chapter. Apparently Voldemort gave the diary to Lucius shortly before his demise in Godric's Hollow, but didn't tell him its true significance. He meant Lucius to smuggle it into Hogwarts, presumably either through Draco or his position as a school governor, but not until he had given him the go ahead. Dumbledore explains to Harry that 'Lucius did not know what the diary really was. I understand that Voldemort had told him the diary would cause the Chamber of Secrets to reopen, because it was cleverly enchanted.'

is LV likely to have entrusted any other Horcrux to any of the other DEs? Bella for example?
He may have done... at one point. Here is an interesting quote from Bella during the chapter 'Spinners End':
'The Dark Lord has, in the past, entrusted me with his most precious - if Lucius hadn't-'
This makes me wonder if Voldemort entrusted another Horcrux to Bella, but that after he found out what Lucius had done with the Diary he realised the risk of giving such an important responsibility to a person, even a faithful Death Eater, was too great and so took it back and found a safer place to conceal it.

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We don't know where the one in Hogwarts was before it was dropped, but dropping it definitely damaged it.
More than just damaged it! Check out the quote in my previous post... no wonder Draco had such trouble fixing it! :)

Not sure what you're saying here. Dumbledore tells us quite clearly in HBP that Voldemort intended to make 6 Horcruxes in order to split his soul into 7 pieces (the seventh piece still being inside him) and that he planned to make the sixth and final Horcrux from Harry's death. As this didn't happen due to the backfiring Avada Kedavra, years later after restoring his powers Voldemort made Nagini into his sixth Horcrux using somebody else's death or so Dumbledore believed.

I feel like a dill not counting the piece of souls, however tiny, still left in Voldie. Its been a while since I reread the book, and I've been avoiding the site so I dont spoil the movie for myself - Goblet is not released until Dec in Australia! What I ment was that if the 6th Horcux was supposed to be used with Harry's murder, there may only be five in total.

I'm not sold completely on the snake, even if Dumbledore did say it. We have been given a clear indication that even he can make mistakes, and he is only speculating after all.

Who's death would be as significant as Harry's to make the 6th Horcrux? Unless its James and Lily, but other than being mebers of the Order, would they be significant enough to Volide to create a Horcrux? Only the significant murders seem to be used to create a horcrux.

Anything's possible I guess... JKR is full of mysteries...

The fact that the quoted passage reads so well suggests to me that it isn't a clue.

I think you're digging way too deep here... :|

I whole-heartedly agree.

It gets you thinking, and it is very good point of view, but it seems to unlikely. Very good Topic, but I disagree.

(4th Horcrux)a bridge (Brockdale Bridge that Voldie destroyed just pre-HBP?)(Brock=badger)

***It may very well be that the CUP HORCRUX is hidden beneath the Brockdale Bridge.***

Nice catch on Brock meaning badger. That may have some significance later on - will the Brockdale Bridge come up again? However, I don't see a Horcrux being hidden there. Voldemort would not want to draw attention to anywhere where a Horcrux was hidden, so destroying the Brockdale Bridge would have been phenomenally bad idea. Besides, if I'm remembering correctly, the Prime Minister recalls that the bridge had been built less than ten years ago, after Voldemort became Vapormort.

Nice catch on Brock meaning badger. That may have some significance later on - will the Brockdale Bridge come up again? However, I don't see a Horcrux being hidden there. Voldemort would not want to draw attention to anywhere where a Horcrux was hidden, so destroying the Brockdale Bridge would have been phenomenally bad idea. Besides, if I'm remembering correctly, the Prime Minister recalls that the bridge had been built less than ten years ago, after Voldemort became Vapormort.

I agree.
You spark a good conclusion.

But was it Voldemort or his supporters that blew up the bridge in the first place? Could it have been R.A.B. or someone else who knows about the Horcruxes. The Minister only says it was destroyed by Voldemort but it isn't proven. As isn't the theory or statement that R.A.B is dead. It says that he might be in the locket letter, but is it true?
Most believe R.A.B to be Regulus Black, who is the only character to have R-B as initials, and Sirius tells Harry at Grimmuald that the Death Eaters got him. Could he have faked his own death like Wormtail, and still be searching for the Horcruxes?

Who's death would be as significant as Harry's to make the 6th Horcrux? Unless its James and Lily, but other than being mebers of the Order, would they be significant enough to Volide to create a Horcrux? Only the significant murders seem to be used to create a horcrux.

As significant as Harry's? I doubt anyone except Dumbledore. If Dumbledore was correct in his belief that Harry's death was to make the final Horcrux (which I'm not sold on), Voldemort probably planned to make the 6th Horcrux in the graveyard in GoF with his second direct attempt on Harry's life. He could have perhaps made a Horcrux out of his father's tombstone or the Triwizard Cup or some artifact Wormtail had with him.

I don't know that JKR would have thought so much about the Horcruxes and such in the beginning of the first book. I think that the whole scene was just to show how crazy Uncle Vernon was over the Hogwarts letters. It seems that JKR writes the books as she goes, I don't know that she put so many clues to the 7th book in the first...just my opinion

Actually she planned out almost the whole series, remember she said she was going to make the sixth book go along with the second book or something like that? (you know, how it's related) The first horcrux is revealed to us in the second, proving that JK Rowling is not writing as she goes.

I agree.
You spark a good conclusion.

But was it Voldemort or his supporters that blew up the bridge in the first place? Could it have been R.A.B. or someone else who knows about the Horcruxes. The Minister only says it was destroyed by Voldemort but it isn't proven. As isn't the theory or statement that R.A.B is dead. It says that he might be in the locket letter, but is it true?
Most believe R.A.B to be Regulus Black, who is the only character to have R-B as initials, and Sirius tells Harry at Grimmuald that the Death Eaters got him. Could he have faked his own death like Wormtail, and still be searching for the Horcruxes?

Could be. The "hurricane" could have been the mass Muggle killing that Voldemort threatened Fudge with, not the Brockdale Bridge attack, but we have no real evidence for that, just speculation.

Sorry to say but I don't agree. I think you've found a very interesting and creative way of searching for the horcruxes, but I just can't see it being like that. There's just way to much streching going on (eg. to strech that some one, may consider the Malfoy house to look like a hotel; or that one house on the rocks is the cave in which Dumbledore visited)

I agree that JKR probably just wanted to express just how crazy Vernon was at the moment.

Well it did take her 5 years to write the backstory, and thats longer than any book. I still think she knew all about the horcruxes/locations by book 1.

Exactly my thoughts. Even if you theory may prove to be wrong, I am very sure that J.K.R. knew exactly where the horcruxes would be and their locations from the very start. Like you said, she has stated that she has written so much back story that it is virtually impossible for it all to be published in the books.

Perhaps JKR re - read the books again for ideas about the Horcrux locations and happened to chance upon these.

He could have perhaps made a Horcrux out of his father's tombstone or the Triwizard Cup or some artifact Wormtail had with him.


Voldemort likes to collect trophies usually of things of some value to himself personally or historically. For example Slytherins locket, the Gaunts ring, valuables of Hogwarts founders. Would Voldemort have made a horcrux out of the timb of the man whom he despised for abandoning him? Why would he have turned the Triwizard cup into a horcrux? Voldemort used the cup as a portkey and beyond that he had no other use for it. Also Harry took the cup back with him so Voldemort had no time to turn it into a horcrux.


Who's death would be as significant as Harry's to make the 6th Horcrux? Unless its James and Lily, but other than being mebers of the Order, would they be significant enough to Volide to create a Horcrux? Only the significant murders seem to be used to create a horcrux.

Dorcas Meadows perhaps? We know that Voldemort killed her himself from what Moody told us in OoP. Voldemort only personally murders those who he believes are significant enough for him to go to them in person. Dorcas Meadows is one of the few people that we know was murdered by Voldemort himself. My theory is that Voldemort used her death to create horcrux. Why was she so significant to Voldemort though? Voldemort does not often go out of his way to go to someone house and kill them in person so I doubt her death was one of those "wrong place at the wrong time" instances.


Horcrux 1 :Diary
Victim: Moaning Myrtle-accidental death. This was Voldemorts first murder. I don't think Riddle meant to kill her. He was a smart boy, I think he'd have realized if a student was murdered by a basilisk it would risk the closure of the school and that is the last thing Riddle ever wanted. Than again we know one of Voldemort's greatest flaws is that he sometimes underestimates things. Assuming Riddle's convo with Slughorn happened before Myrtle's death what if Riddle had purposely planned to murder one of th estudents to make himself a horcrux?
Location: Some how Lucius ended up with the diary which later ended up being planted at the school. It is assumed Voldemort gave Lucius the diary for safe keeping. It is also interesting to note that it was hinted that Lucius might have a few more of Riddle's old school things. It makes perfect sense for Voldemort to leave some of hsi old items with Lucius and not any of the other DE's. Lucius could have provided the necessary safe keeping for it, more so than the other DE's and because he was a "respected member of the community" no one would have raided his house, until recentely anyways..
Status: destroyed by Harry Potter in CoS.


Horcrux 2: Ring
Victim: Riddle Jr.'s father and grandparents.- The second murder Voldemort ever committed. His act of revenge against the father who abandoned him and his grandparents just for good measure.
Location: Riddle left it in the Gaunts house heavily protected by spells and enchantments.
Status: destroyed by Dumbledore in HBP

Horcrux 3: Locket
Victim: Uncertain. Voldemort retrieved two items from Mrs. Hepzibah Smith. It seems like you can use multiple murders to make one horcrux but I don't think you can make multiple horruxes from one murder. So its unclear wwho he used to make the locket horcrux
Location: on a deserted island in the middle of an inferi infested lake.
Status: supposedly destroyed by RAB. I'm going to assume that the locket really has been destroyed though.

Horcrux 4: Hufflepuff cup
Victim: uncertain for the same reasons as the previous
Location: unknown
Status: unknown.

Horcrux 5: Either Nagini, an item of Ravenclaws or an item of Gryfindoors.
Victim: unknown
Location: unknown
Status: unknown

I think the 5th horcrux could be one of those three things. From what Dumbledore says Voldemort never got aroudn to making a 6th horcruc and I think he intends on using Harry's death as a means to making his 6th and final horcrux which is why he he keeps on telling his DE's not to physically harm Harry because he wants him to himself.

***We know that when Voldemort came to kill the Potter's James held him off while Lily n Harry ran out of the house into what is most likely A Field. Voldemort was killed in this field and it is likely that one of his HORCRUX'S was with him which is why he turned into a vapor.***
I thought he killed lily inside their house and thats haow it ws destroyed?

I think that something may be at Hogwarts. But it may not be the cup. I am thinking that it could be the Ravenclaw Horcrux... it could be the mirror of Erised. Previous posters on this topic, as well as other Horcrux topics, have said that Ravenclaw's object may be the Mirror of Erised... because one of the things described about the mirror was it's claw like feet. And claws, being a connection to Ravenclaw.

Another item, could be the Gryffindor Sword... it was owned by Godric Gryffindor and Voldemort was looking for things owned once by the four founders of Hogwarts...
I agree that SOMETHING may be at Hogwats. Maybe it has nothing to do with Gryffindor or Ravenclaw. The book said the Dark Lord likes to collect trophies, which might be his award that he won, when the Chamber of Secreats was opened before. It migt be in the trophy room.

I think that Slytherin's locket is in the order of the phoenix's HeadQuarters the reason is that if RAB is Regulus Black he might have hidden the horcrux at his house for proof of this in the fifth book they describe a heavy locet that no one can open american edition 116 and then in the 6th book the describe it as a HEAVY golden locket.

I would be willing to bet JK knew all the horcruxes and their locations before starting!!! Hello? That is like the most important concept of magic in the series and part of the path to destroy the Dark Lord. Now if you mentioned something like pygmy puffs, well of course not! :rotfl:

I like your theory and the symbolism and stuff. My first thought was you did a great job in understanding how book seven will be a reflection of book one. The only mistake here is the thing about Lily dieing in a field and Voldemort being thrown from his body there as well.

I also like how someone said the Ravenclaw artifact will be high-up in the sky. If you noticed, Slytherin's real locket was once immersed in the lake and their house is represented by the Water Element. Perhaps Hufflepuff's is buried somewhere? And

i dno about locations, ive only written one complete book, actually its a childrens book too, but i can tell u even over the course of one 100 pages, my ending was pretty different than what i planned 3 years previous when i sketched the story. the broad ideas held steady, but the very particulars changed with every day inspirations.

i have a feeling JKR knew there would be seven horcuxes to be destroyed, but what they were and where they were could easily have changed as she began to like some characters, ideas and motives more than others. going from SS to HBP saw many different outlets for horocrux possibilities. she probably made many opportunities along the way to choose from, so that eventually every one of her final choices could be found in the beginning of the series (im also a pre-law student, i know all about covering ur own tracks and making urself sound smarter than u really are) in the end, there'll probably be at least 50 seperate forshadowings, we just got to be able to pck out the ones she'll want to use.

a lot can change in 100 pages, imagine over 1500

correct me if im wrong, but did JK mention in an interview that the chamber of secrets would come into the story again?? maybe i imagined it! but if it is to appear again that would be the ultimate place to hide a horcrux - probably the cup because he already had it in his possession (did he not - as quirrel) and needed to store it somewhere?

i never thought of it that way, but i disagree that harry's old house was in a field, in was in a forest i believe

but since JK has developed this new world she is an expert on everything and knows every detail almost like tolkien and the LotR.i bet she planned where the horcruxs were going to be from the beginning

Horcrux 1 :Diary
Victim: Moaning Myrtle-accidental death. This was Voldemorts first murder. I don't think Riddle meant to kill her. He was a smart boy, I think he'd have realized if a student was murdered by a basilisk it would risk the closure of the school and that is the last thing Riddle ever wanted. Than again we know one of Voldemort's greatest flaws is that he sometimes underestimates things. Assuming Riddle's convo with Slughorn happened before Myrtle's death what if Riddle had purposely planned to murder one of th estudents to make himself a horcrux?

I disagree with this being Voldemort's first murder, for Voldemort was not the one who did it. Yes he set the basilisk loose but I don't think he had any control who it went after or not (remember Myrtle was just in the bathroom when the basilisk came up). And it was certainly not accidental since he would've known something would happen if he set the basilisk loose.

Also, Voldemort had already killed his father and grandparents when he asked Slughorn about the horcruxes (he was wearing the ring at the time).

correct me if im wrong, but did JK mention in an interview that the chamber of secrets would come into the story again?? maybe i imagined it! but if it is to appear again that would be the ultimate place to hide a horcrux - probably the cup because he already had it in his possession (did he not - as quirrel) and needed to store it somewhere?

I believe she said something to the sort that the key to the series would be found in CoS and that key was the diary being a horcrux.

Well, I too believe that the passage was there for humourous reasons; I always found it funny when I was first reading it. It does seem to just be there because Vernon was being crazy.

Also, Voldemort had already killed his father and grandparents when he asked Slughorn about the horcruxes (he was wearing the ring at the time).


Omg! Good Lord you're right! If he didn't use the deat of his father to make a horcrux than whos death did he use?

I posted this in the identifying thread but will reposte here. I was wondering if LV created the cave to house two of his horcruxes instead of one; the first being the stone basin with runes around it that reminded Harry of the Pensive (maybe a transformed HH cup; and the second the locket.
there is some real wicked symobolism here; we have an item that hold part of LVs soul. Inside we have a locket of his mothers, holding a bit of his soul! Does Harry go back to the cave?
I hated that answer she cave to Em that he asked about Harry being able to do everything concerning the cave.

i think that Slytherins locket is right under ther order's faces in their own head quarters the reason i can support this statement is that if RAB is regulus black then he could have hid it in his house beacuse he knows it is protected and on page 116 of the american edition in the 5th book they describe a HEAVY locket that no one can open and in the memory in the 6th book it is described as a HEAVY golden locket. <img src="http://images.quizilla.com/S/Serpentina666/1047663125_gusthe_sow.JPG" border="0" alt="sow"><br>Sow. Of generous nature, but likely to be bullied<br>for it.
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Omg! Good Lord you're right! If he didn't use the deat of his father to make a horcrux than whos death did he use?I don't think that Tom knew how to make Horcruxes yet. When he asked Slughorn about them, it's obvious he knew what a Horcrux was---where he got the info is a good question---but he specifically asks for the incantation, and then he asks about creating more than one.

Sometime between the questioning of Sluggy about Horcruxes and he's re-emergence into the wizarding world asking for the DADA post {a period between 10-15 years} LV learned how to create a Horcrux, and probably had created more than one at that time.

I don't think Myrtle constitutes a murder---her death was an accident, and while caused by Tom Riddle it wasn't a deliberate killing. DD told Harry that it was his fault that Sirius died---but I don't think that accidental death marked DDs soul. Harry felt responsible for Sirius's death, yet DD tells us that he is 'pure of heart' and infers that Harry's soul is 'untarnished and whole'---the exact opposite of LVs divided and mutilated soul.
I posted this in the identifying thread but will reposte here. I was wondering if LV created the cave to house two of his horcruxes instead of one; the first being the stone basin with runes around it that reminded Harry of the Pensive (maybe a transformed HH cup; and the second the locket.It's a possibility that LV transfigured one of the Horcruxes...I'm not sure he did, but it is a possibility.

I don't know about that cave being a locale for a second Horcrux though.

I tend to think that LV wouldn't put more than one horcrux in any location since he would want to spread them out for safety.

I tend to think that LV wouldn't put more than one horcrux in any location since he would want to spread them out for safety.Exactly. This is one of the points, which convinced me that his wand can't be a horcrux.

And, HorcruxBuster, just a technical guess, I don't think Harry will return to the cave. There are so much locations he has to go to in just one book...;) And: he was there with Dumbledore. Would be hard to return, I just don't think JK would do that. It took him 16 years to return to Godrics.

If Voldemort had hid a Horcrux inside Hogwarts, wouldn't Dumbledore have known? I mean, he knew where the opening to the cave was because he could feel that it had known magic.

If Voldemort had hid a Horcrux inside Hogwarts, wouldn't Dumbledore have known? I mean, he knew where the opening to the cave was because he could feel that it had known magic.Hogwarts is so full of magical activity...it could be like looking for a particular grain of sand on a beach! Dumbledore couldn't even locate the Chamber of Secrets entrance despite the evidence for it being in Myrtle's bathroom was right under his nose...both in Tommy's time and Harry's time.

If a horcrux was in the Chamber, there doesn't seem to be any way for Albus to "sense" that. If a horcrux is in a specific version of the Room of Requirement, there would be no way for him to sense one there, either, unless he entered the same version (somehow I don't think Voldemort would put a horcrux in a room full of chamber pots, but who really knows? :lol: ).

Dumbledore, although a great wizard, is not perfect. I believe that there is a horcrux located somewhere at Hogwarts, however, I don't think it will be in any of the obvious things/places. For example: The sword, the sorting hat, the Room of Requirement, or the Chamber of Secrets.

Sensing magic is one thing, identifying the horcruxes is another. I think that we will find one in a place that JK has brought up but only in causal passing over the past 6 books. Not in a place that we have been really familiar with. We need to look at other options ... like the Prefects Bathroom or the Dungeons. I am not saying that one is there … but just to give an example of the types of places we might want to consider.

Sensing magic is one thing, identifying the horcruxes is another. I think that we will find one in a place that JK has brought up but only in causal passing over the past 6 books. Not in a place that we have been really familiar with. We need to look at other options ... like the Prefects Bathroom or the Dungeons. I am not saying that one is there … but just to give an example of the types of places we might want to consider.This is possible, but it still has to be some 'special' place, with meaning for Tom's life or rising.

But to think of the entry to the chamber of secrets located at a bathroom (1000 years ago?...ahem...), all seems to be possible...;)
No, serious. I doubt there's a second horcrux at Hogwarts, but if there's one, I think you're right with your guess about the locations we still know very good.

There most definetely HAS to be a horcrux at Hogwarts. Each of the places where the horcruxes are located, I believe, are places that LV was profoundly impacted. Well... Hogwarts is arguably the place where LV was impaced the most. So it almost seems a given that he would have a horcrux there. But that raises the question.... how did he get it there?

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There most definetely HAS to be a horcrux at Hogwarts. Each of the places where the horcruxes are located, I believe, are places that LV was profoundly impacted. Well... Hogwarts is arguably the place where LV was impaced the most. So it almost seems a given that he would have a horcrux there. But that raises the question.... how did he get it there?

The Diary almost certainly was supposed to be the Hogwarts Horcrux. Had the plan gone as hoped (for LV), then the possessed student would have both unleashed Slytherin's monster and left the Diary in the Chamber of Secrets. Indeed, that is very nearly what happened.

I know people are desparately hoping that there will be another Horcrux at Hogwarts, but this would border upon being a plot hole. It would stagger the imagination that LV could have found a way to get into Hogwarts to do everything that he would want to do to protect a Horcrux, or that DD would not have figured it out.

Look for Regulus' "notes" (in Kreachers' memory or possession) and DD's memories to provide the final two Horcrux hiding places.



If a horcrux was in the Chamber, there doesn't seem to be any way for Albus to "sense" that.

DD would have noted the magical protections of the sort that LV left around the Gaunt shack and the Cave. Also, LV would have needed some time to properly protect that Horcrux.

Keep in mind that LV wants his Horcruxes in out-of-the-way places. Even the Room of Requirement is not that out-of-the-way: if LV even knew about it, then he probably knew that the house-elves all knew about it and that some faculty & students did.

I'm still betting on the Riddle house (which shows signs of Muggle behavior altering charms) and some place in Europe (where we'll meet Krum again, as we are supposed to do in VII).

I agree.

I think that RAB or sirrus's brother got to all of the Horcruxes, expect the last one which will be at an abandoned Hogwarts were Harry will have his final duel with old voldy.

Riddle house is a good one and maybe somewhere deep inside the Chamber of Secrets.

If Voldemort had hid a Horcrux inside Hogwarts, wouldn't Dumbledore have known? I mean, he knew where the opening to the cave was because he could feel that it had known magic.


Maybe it would be more difficult to sense particular magic in a castle that has been full of magic for centuries.

Even though it seems a little too obvious....
I still think that Harry will have to come back to Hogwarts, whether there is a Horcrux there or to confront LV and have their 'battle'.

I also agree that if there is one in Hogwarts, it will be somewhere that either JKR hasn't mentioned or just briefly in passing. Possibly the trophy room, but unlikely because Ron had to polish them all in the CoS.

Another idea is that there is one in the Riddle house. Possibly the graveyard, in a mausoleum or somthing. Or even hidden passages in the basement.

Riddle house is a good one and maybe somewhere deep inside the Chamber of Secrets.

LV would not put two in the Chamber or any other place: that would allow an enemy to destroy two at once and seriously undermine part of the purpose for having multiple Horcruxes. Given that LV was attempting to get the diary there, we can conclude that he would not have had another one there (or that Voldemort is a doofus: I'm willing to discount that one).

This is my one major qualm with the Riddle house: it is too proximate to the Gaunt Shack. However, it still was a separate place and could have separate protections. Also, one could learn about Voldemort's wizard or muggle ancestors without learning of the other, and also without learning why the Riddle House was important to him.


Even though it seems a little too obvious....
I still think that Harry will have to come back to Hogwarts, whether there is a Horcrux there or to confront LV and have their 'battle'.

Harry will return because he has to visit Aberforth at Hogsmeade. Aberforth will have Dumbledore's possessions, which probably include additional memories.



I also agree that if there is one in Hogwarts, it will be somewhere that either JKR hasn't mentioned or just briefly in passing. Possibly the trophy room, but unlikely because Ron had to polish them all in the CoS.

Voldemort is not going to leave a Horcrux out where anyone might find it, or where it might be destroyed by accident. What if Peeves decided to melt it? He does occassionally wreck things. If Voldemort put protective magic around the Horcrux, then we have reason to think that the headmaster would be aware. Also, Voldemort simply has not had access to Hogwarts since he went into the Horcrux making business.


As for a secret place, at this point the cards should be on the table. When we do learn of the two remaining places, we should go "oh, yeah.....": unless JKR resorts to really bad plot structuring.

Harry will return because he has to visit Aberforth at Hogsmeade. Aberforth will have Dumbledore's possessions, which probably include additional memories.
...and the locket?

I posted this a while back and was surprised nobody's responded given all the speculation about the location of this particular Horcrux. I think there's a pretty good reason to think that Regulus left the locket at 12 Grimmauld Place, Kreacher rescued it from being thrown out when Harry et al were cleaning, Mundungus stole it along with other items and that he sold it to Aberforth:
The exceptions were two men a little ahead of them, standing just outside the Three Broomsticks. One was very tall and thin; squinting through his rain-washed glasses Harry recognized the barman who worked in the other Hogsmeade pub, the Hog’s Head. As Harry, Ron and Hermione drew closer, the barman drew his cloak more tightly around his neck and walked away, leaving the shorter man to fumble with something in his arms.’
(HBP UK Ed. p230)
The obvious interpretation for Aberforth drawing ‘his cloak more tightly around his neck’ is because it is bitterly cold. I rather suspect though that this is a classic piece of JKR misdirection and that the reason for his action is to hide something hanging around his neck i.e. the locket, which he has just purchased from Mundungus.

I think there's a pretty good reason to think that Regulus left the locket at 12 Grimmauld Place, Kreacher rescued it from being thrown out when Harry et al were cleaning, Mundungus stole it along with other items and that he sold it to Aberforth:

JKR could do this, but it would introduce some complications to the plot. It probably would be simplest if JKR just has the locket in Kreacher's hidden stash. Given that Harry has to recover the locket AND find two more hiding places (as well as resolve all of the character arcs, subplots and themes) in this one book, JKR probably will not devote too any more plot to any one aspect than necessary.

Kreacher's knowledge of Regulus' search could well lead Harry to the 4th Horcrux (in order of recognition, not creation, obviously).


Still, Aberforth will be important for Harry to gain access to Dumbledore's artifacts.

I tend to think that LV wouldn't put more than one horcrux in any location since he would want to spread them out for safety.
How much more of a safer place would you want? if true, one is still there. I just found it very strange to encase something that had been encased. like a double negative. LOL ie. irregardless :huh:

I think the locket is still at #12 grimwald place and that mundungus -aberforth was a red herring. There would be not reason for mundungus to look in Kreecher's bedroom - for that matter would he even know of the bedroom being that it was under the furnace ? Mundungus conceivably could have taken the locket from the trash, but I don't remeber him being there at the time the locket was mentioned, although he was mentioned as helping later so he might know where they stowed the trash - assuming that the locket a- was not already taken by kreecher and b- that the old trash had not been taken away.

I can see from the other posts on this page that several people are opposed to hogwarts as a location for a second horcrux - but entry into the RoR as pointed out earlier requires that the one entering must know how the person using the room called up the room ( look how long it took for Harry to get in - he couldn't get in when he was tracking draco ) and then he would have to find the horcrux in the mess that was in ther. ( my personal theory is that the horcrux was the blody axe - used to sever Nicks head - it was surrounded by swords - bewitched? - just a thought - can you see harry et al being attacked by the fanged frezbees - sorry it is late and I am getting punchy)

as for the cup and Nagini - I venture LV and Nagini will be together at the riddle house. there were so many reference to little hangleton in the Gaunt memory I can not see Harry not remembering where Tom Riddle Sr. lived and I can't figure any other reason for JKR to mention the name that many times . As for the cup I think it is probably among the rubble of the Potter house in godric hollow.

But it would have been difficult for Voldemort to hide anything during the other visit. Dumbledore was probably having him kept an eye on the whole time he was in the grounds since he suspected he was up to something. The Room of Requirement is interesting though, what did we see in there (in the "Hiding" version)?

All objects in the "Hiding" Version of the room of requirement

Broken furniture
Thousands of Books
Fanged Frisbees
Winged Catapults
Bottles of congealed potion
Hats
Jewels
Cloaks
Dragon Eggshells
Bottles with evily shimmering contents
Rusting swords
A Bloodstained Axe
Stuffed Troll
Broken Vanishing Cabinet
Large Cuboard (acid damaged) containing a Quintaped Skeleton, in Cage
Chipped bust of an Ugly Warlock
Dusty Old Wig
Tarnished Tiara



Could the bloodstained axe be the one used to (almost) behead Nearly Headless Nick? I've always wanted to know why he was killed.

Could the bloodstained axe be the one used to (almost) behead Nearly Headless Nick? I've always wanted to know why he was killed.Would explain, why it's there. ;)

For now I don't see a connection of any of this objects to Tom Riddle. But I wonder why JK named them all. First, indeed, to create the sense of an amazing (and maybe in some relations ridiculous) collection in a situation, which was very hard for Harry (just after he injured Draco). Second...this is exactly the situation I would imagine, when someone asked me for the special way JK tries (most of the time very sucessful) to hide something important.

Could the bloodstained axe be the one used to (almost) behead Nearly Headless Nick? I've always wanted to know why he was killed.The reason he was killed can be found here: Nearly Headless Nick (http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/extrastuff_view.cfm?id=11)
JKR could do this, but it would introduce some complications to the plot. It probably would be simplest if JKR just has the locket in Kreacher's hidden stash. Given that Harry has to recover the locket AND find two more hiding places (as well as resolve all of the character arcs, subplots and themes) in this one book, JKR probably will not devote too any more plot to any one aspect than necessary.

Kreacher's knowledge of Regulus' search could well lead Harry to the 4th Horcrux (in order of recognition, not creation, obviously).


Still, Aberforth will be important for Harry to gain access to Dumbledore's artifacts.I agree. The locket remains at 12 Grimmauld Place.

In book 7, JK needs to resolve the Harry/Ginny--Ron/Hermione issues, introduce Aberforth into the mix, have Harry find and destroy four Horcruxes and discover what his scar is all about, have the final battle between LV/Harry, and give the epilogue for the survivors---JKs got a full plate already. Some things are gonna have to be 'easy' for Harry, or we'll end up with book 7 as long as a set of Encyclopedia Brittana's.

In regards to DDs bottles of memories and Pensieve---I think that DD might have by-passed Aberforth and left these to Harry. Aberforth will still be important to book 7, though, as I believe he's the Order member JK mentioned that we will learn more about in book 7.

I agree. The locket remains at 12 Grimmauld Place.
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I too agree that the locket is at Grimmauld Place. However, I think that some of the other horcruxes will be found at the home or past residence of R.A.B. For J.K. to write about how Harry finds each of the four remaining horcruxes would be extrememly tedious and lengthy. If at least two or three of the horcruxes were found destroyed in R.A.B.'s previous residence, it would cut down the length of the book a lot and also help show the trio how the horcruxes can be destroyed. I just think that it would be much too tedious for J.K. to write about how the trio finds each of the four remaining horcruxes on top of other plot lines she needs to incorporate.

In regards to DDs bottles of memories and Pensieve---I think that DD might have by-passed Aberforth and left these to Harry. Aberforth will still be important to book 7, though, as I believe he's the Order member JK mentioned that we will learn more about in book 7.

Aberforth is the best bet, as we have (almost certainly) seen him in the background.

Your idea is quite plausible: however, I'll bet that it will be Aberforth who has them and then tells Harry that Dumbledore wanted him (Harry) to have them.

It will be interesting to see how much Aberforth knows.

I can't shake the feeling that Madam Bones's death had something to do with a Horcrux, but I'm not sure what. Her death strikes me as significant because 1) LV did it himself, 2) she was a powerfule witch, and 3) she was a Hufflepuff. Well, I assume she was, since her niece was, and these things tend to run in families. So, did Madam Bones have the Cup? How could she have--didn't LV already have it years ago? Presumably it is hidden. Or had LV not yet made the cup into a Horcrux? Was her death a Horcrux death? That doesn't seem right--LV had the cup for a long time, more than enough to get a piece of his soul safely inside and to find a hiding place for it. Perhaps the hiding place was discovered, and the Cup was returned to Madam Bones (appropriate if she is a descendent of Hufflepuff, although we don't know that she is.)

I'm stumped. We must have been fed a clue somewhere about the current whereabouts of the cup, because that is JKR's style. We've got a pretty good clue about the locket, after all. But what clues have we been given?

Another thought--did RAB take more than the locket? Did he also take the Cup, and perhaps another Horcrux. If RAB is Regulus Black, does that mean all of the things are (or were) at 12 Grimmauld Place? That would help move the plot along, but not too quickly if it turns out that Fletcher has been pawning the stuff all over the wizarding world.

Arg, this is driving me crazy.

Wimsey, I'm curious why you believe that Aberforth being possession of the locket would 'introduce some complications to the plot' when you also believe that there's a good chance Aberforth will have his brother's stored memories? ;) Seems to me there is evidence for the former, but none for the latter. Tracking the locket down to Aberforth, who let's not forget Harry hasn't yet realised is the barman in the Hog's Head, seems to me to be a plausible route for the two to meet, as surely they must do. Why else introduce the character in earlier books, let alone in such as oblique way?

excuse me if anyone has already said this- or if this is an accepted theory--

but has anyone thought that possibly someone will COME to Harry with information on how to track down the Horcruxes?
perhaps DD left someone in Harry's charge should something happen to him.

excuse me if anyone has already said this- or if this is an accepted theory--

but has anyone thought that possibly someone will COME to Harry with information on how to track down the Horcruxes?
perhaps DD left someone in Harry's charge should something happen to him.

Personal know-how no. Someone could give Harry some of Dumbledore's possessions which might give Harry some clues but that would be it. There have been, to our knowledge, only 7 people who know that Voldemort has made a Horcrux (Voldemort, RAB, Slughorn, Dumbledore, Harry, Ron, and Hermoine). Maybe someone like Lucius might know something seeing how Voldemort reacted when he lost the diary but thats it as far as we know so I'm not sure from who else we are going to get more information from.

I don't know if anyone has said this, but does any one think that one of the Horcruxes could be hidden at the Riddle graves, since those were his first murders?

Personal know-how no. Someone could give Harry some of Dumbledore's possessions which might give Harry some clues but that would be it. There have been, to our knowledge, only 7 people who know that Voldemort has made a Horcrux (Voldemort, RAB, Slughorn, Dumbledore, Harry, Ron, and Hermoine). Maybe someone like Lucius might know something seeing how Voldemort reacted when he lost the diary but thats it as far as we know so I'm not sure from who else we are going to get more information from.


Harry tends to sit and fester, and think things over for WAY too long. Normally Herm has to get him going.
I'm just wondering what's going to get the fire lit under him.
Harry is the type to sit around and be mad and depressed and stuff because of the loss of DD, and be sitting around in his emotions, instead of being an immediate man of action.
There is going to have to be a change agent to get him going on the quest. The loss of DD isnt going to get him moving.

but who, could it be Regulas Black (sorry if i misspelled) or Aberforthe? Also, you have to give some credit to harry, he has been through an awful lot and hermione hasn't helped with everything (like in GoF the graveyard scene)

I think that something may be at Hogwarts. But it may not be the cup. I am thinking that it could be the Ravenclaw Horcrux... it could be the mirror of Erised. Previous posters on this topic, as well as other Horcrux topics, have said that Ravenclaw's object may be the Mirror of Erised... because one of the things described about the mirror was it's claw like feet. And claws, being a connection to Ravenclaw.

Another item, could be the Gryffindor Sword... it was owned by Godric Gryffindor and Voldemort was looking for things owned once by the four founders of Hogwarts...Has anyone else noticed that Dumbledore's desk has clawed feet?

Book 2, page 205
There was also an enourmous, claw-footed desk, and, sitting on a shelf behind it, a shabby, tattered wizard's hat - the sorting hat.

What could that mean? I don't think the mirror was changed into the desk, but there is a connection, somehow.

but who, could it be Regulas Black (sorry if i misspelled) or Aberforthe? Also, you have to give some credit to harry, he has been through an awful lot and hermione hasn't helped with everything (like in GoF the graveyard scene)

i said Hermione MOTIVATES him to do what he's supposed to do!
Everytime DD told him to do something, he'd procrastinate- and Herm would tell him to get to work.

I think that Hermione could help getting through some of the obsicales that Voldermont put around the Horcruxes, and Harry does not need any more modivation to find them. It is not like doing homework where Hermione has to nag Harry to do it.

I can't shake the feeling that Madam Bones's death had something to do with a Horcrux, but I'm not sure what. Her death strikes me as significant because 1) LV did it himself, 2) she was a powerfule witch, and 3) she was a Hufflepuff. Well, I assume she was, since her niece was, and these things tend to run in families. So, did Madam Bones have the Cup? How could she have--didn't LV already have it years ago? Presumably it is hidden. Or had LV not yet made the cup into a Horcrux? Was her death a Horcrux death?

I think that you present the evidence against the idea yourself! Given the state of deterioration of Voldemort (LV) in the mid-late 1950's when he tried to get the Defense Against the Dark Arts (DADA) job, LV must had made at least 3 Horcruxes. The Cup would have been one.

Because a Horcrux is guaranteed to work only if it is kept hidden and well protected, it would have been secreted someplace (I still like the Riddle House and somewhere in Europe as possible hiding places) long before LV went to Godrics Hollow, nevermind long before LV killed Bones.


Wimsey, I'm curious why you believe that Aberforth being possession of the locket would 'introduce some complications to the plot' when you also believe that there's a good chance Aberforth will have his brother's stored memories? ;) Seems to me there is evidence for the former, but none for the latter. Tracking the locket down to Aberforth, who let's not forget Harry hasn't yet realised is the barman in the Hog's Head, seems to me to be a plausible route for the two to meet, as surely they must do. Why else introduce the character in earlier books, let alone in such as oblique way?

I suspect that the locket at Grimmauld place and Dumbledore's memories will be two separate plot threads, both leading to one of the two remaining Horcrux localities.

At some point, Harry will realize that RAB is Regulus. At that point, the memory of the locket will come back to him, and he'll probably summon Kreacher to discover what happened to it. As Kreacher was storing away other things being thrown out at that time, he'll have saved it (Master ordered it, no doubt).

This is where Kreacher as Harry's servant will pay off as a plot device: not only will Kreacher cough up the Locket, but Kreacher probably will know the other places that Regulus considered: chances are good that there was more than one, but that because Regulus thought that there was only one Horcrux, he would have assumed that they were "duds" after he found "the" Horcrux. However, one of them (say, the Riddle house or the Orphanage) will provide Horcrux #4.

(It is possible that SPEW will pay off here, too: somehow, something about Hermione's efforts might induce Kreacher to divulge the information. I'm a big fan of Chekov's Rule, and JKR seems to adhere to it: SPEW might be just empty character development for Hermione, but I am betting that the SPEW gun will be fired ere the final act is over.)

After Horcrux #4 is removed, Aberforth then will provide the key to finding Horcrux #5 by providing Harry with Dumbledore's (DD's) memories or other notes. In particular, DD's memories of Voldemort will provide something that Hermione (and perhaps Ron) will use to infer the final Horcrux cache. I am betting that it somehow will be connected to Grindelwald (and possibly how DD defeated Grinelwald), and that this will lead the trio to Europe. (We are supposed to see Krum, after all.)

So, Aberforth will be important. However, I really think that the two unknown localities will have two separate sources of information leading Harry to them. If nothing else, then JKR has a few guns on the mantle that need to be fired. (I'm darned if I can figure out how she is going to fire the Grawp bazooka, though.... :cool:.)



Has anyone else noticed that Dumbledore's desk has clawed feet?
....
What could that mean? I don't think the mirror was changed into the desk, but there is a connection, somehow.

Bird's have clawed feet, and Dumbeldore has an affinity with a particular type of bird: the Phoenix. In this case, the cigar is almost certainly a cigar.


I think that Hermione could help getting through some of the obsicales that Voldermont put around the Horcruxes, and Harry does not need any more modivation to find them. It is not like doing homework where Hermione has to nag Harry to do it.


Hermione is a whiz at arithmency and runes. If I recall the "Career day" leaflets, both of these are important skills for curse breaking. The bigger question is, what can Ron contribute? His character really has not developed dynamically since Chamber of Secrets, and it is not clear what skills he brings to the table.

Hermione is a whiz at arithmency and runes. If I recall the "Career day" leaflets, both of these are important skills for curse breaking. The bigger question is, what can Ron contribute? His character really has not developed dynamically since Chamber of Secrets, and it is not clear what skills he brings to the table.
Remember, Ron is the only one who grew up completely in the magical world. Ron has provided stories, in the past, about things he has overheard. He is also the vital link to the other Weasley's - Arthur, Molly, Bill and Charlie. Any one, or all, of them will probably provide some valuable information/help for the trio.

i doubt any of the horcruxes lie at hogwarts. voldemort could have easily taken any of them, if they were there, when he possessed (spelling may be wrong) Quirrel in harry's first year.

Remember, Ron is the only one who grew up completely in the magical world. Ron has provided stories, in the past, about things he has overheard. He is also the vital link to the other Weasley's - Arthur, Molly, Bill and Charlie. Any one, or all, of them will probably provide some valuable information/help for the trio.

This is very true and I think that in the end Harry will really need Ron's help.

On a completely different note I saw somewhere that Mudungus might be working for Voldemort. I don not think this is true, however I do think he has the locket. Mundungus is just a theif and he stole anything he could get his hands on from Grimmauld Place. It is quite possible that he took the locket, assuming R.A.B. is Regulas. I don't know why JKR would have put the Mundungus scene in the book at all, except for this reason.

Exactly. This is one of the points, which convinced me that his wand can't be a horcrux.

And, HorcruxBuster, just a technical guess, I don't think Harry will return to the cave. There are so much locations he has to go to in just one book...;) And: he was there with Dumbledore. Would be hard to return, I just don't think JK would do that. It took him 16 years to return to Godrics.
Hi Gertiekeddle,
The strangeness of this question and reply from an interview with JKR, to me seems to forshadow it:
ES: It seems like it would be impossible. If Harry had gone to the cave, he never could have done it on his own, it seems like.

JKR: Well, I'm prepared to bet you now, that at least before the week is out, at least one of the Horcruxes will have been correctly identified by careful re-readers of the books.

What a strange way to address Harry being able to have done it on his own? why is identifying a horcrux significant with Harry's abilities to traverse the cave?

But to think of the entry to the chamber of secrets located at a bathroom (1000 years ago?...ahem...), all seems to be possible...;) I just thought of something. Did they have plumbing 1000 years ago? How is that possible?
I know you just made this point. I mean to say - good point :tu:
Remember, Ron is the only one who grew up completely in the magical world. Ron has provided stories, in the past, about things he has overheard.Yes, Ron is the historian, and provides the emotional meaning of the item/event. My husband & I went to GOF at midnight opening night - we both caught the most awful flu! *sneeze* *cough* *shiver* But glad the movie is doing well.

excuse me if anyone has already said this- or if this is an accepted theory-- but has anyone thought that possibly SOMEONE will COME to Harry with information on how to track down the Horcruxes? perhaps DD left someone in Harry's charge should something happen to him.Well DOBBY springs to mind. In GOF, when he and Winky come to Hogwarts, Dobby says to Harry, Dobby likes Professor Dumbledore very much, sir, and is proud to keep his secrets and our silence for him.
So then to me it depends if it is Dumbledore's secret, or a Hogwarts secret, since if the former, Dobby could squeal, but the latter, Dobby would still be in Hogwarts employ and couldn't. HAGRID might know more than he thinks. ABERFORTH, his brother, is a possibility. Slughorn again, would remember DD from Riddle's time.

I also like the crystal vial at 12 Grimmauld with opal stopper holding a bloody memory.

ES: It seems like it would be impossible. If Harry had gone to the cave, he never could have done it on his own, it seems like.

JKR: Well, I'm prepared to bet you now, that at least before the week is out, at least one of the Horcruxes will have been correctly identified by careful re-readers of the books.

What a strange way to address Harry being able to have done it on his own? why is identifying a horcrux significant with Harry's abilities to traverse the cave?If I'm allowed to guess a second time I would take this as a perfect hint for R.A.B. meaning Regulus. But this is a different thread (two or three, to say it correctly).



lindaluna, they had plumbings at a castle in the middleages (if it's the thing I have in mind, I'm not sure about the vocable, but it seems to be similiar to the german word :)) and maybe the entry to the camber was one them, but then it had to be in a tower of the castle (what it isn't, if I remember right). I really don't want to explain, why...
That was a little thing I was always wondering about, although I like the idea to hide the entry to Salazar Slytherin's biggest secret at such a profan place. ;)

I just thought of something. Did they have plumbing 1000 years ago? How is that possible?
The Romans had plumbing 2000 years ago, so plumbing in a 1000-year-old castle isn't impossible. In any case, all Salazar Slytherin would have needed for the basilisk would be some kind of entrance to the Chamber of Secrets that he could operate using Parseltongue, he wouldn't necessarily have needed a fully-plumbed castle.