Tracking Down the Remaining Horcruxes v4.0

Remember, Ron is the only one who grew up completely in the magical world. Ron has provided stories, in the past, about things he has overheard. He is also the vital link to the other Weasley's - Arthur, Molly, Bill and Charlie. Any one, or all, of them will probably provide some valuable information/help for the trio.

Hmmm, I am not sure how much help the Weasleys will be. Molly in particular will be a hindrance: they will not explain to her what they are doing, and even if they did, she would refuse to accept that Harry has to be the one to do these things: he simply is not "old enough" in her Molly-coddling mind.

As for the others, I think that Bill's purpose is to show us what Hermione should be able to do, given her skills. I cannot see Charlie being relevant: JKR should have devoted more time to developing his character if he were to be used this late. Arthur is a tougher call: he's the one that I can see playing this role.


Still, you are right that Ron's knowledge of the wizarding world might come in handy.


i doubt any of the horcruxes lie at hogwarts. voldemort could have easily taken any of them, if they were there, when he possessed (spelling may be wrong) Quirrel in harry's first year.

Why would Voldemort have done that? He might want to check on them (although I find the idea that there were any there a major stretch), but there is not much he could do with one.


I don't know why JKR would have put the Mundungus scene in the book at all, except for this reason.

The scene served several purposes even if we never read about Mundungus again. First, it served as character development: it was a reminder of Harry's feelings of loss concerning Sirius. It also reminds the audience of something: all that was Sirius' now is Harry's. Finally, there was the barman in the background.

So, those are three Mundungus-free reasons for including that scene!


The Romans had plumbing 2000 years ago, so plumbing in a 1000-year-old castle isn't impossible.


Yes and no. The Romans had plumbing: indeed, the word plumbing is a cognate with the Latin word for "lead," the substance that they used for their pipes. (That is why "lead" is "Pb" on the chemical charts.) Kids at home: don't do that!

However, the Romans were far more advanced than were the Medieval Europeans, who had lapsed back into barbarism, really. Things like plumbing were essentially lost.

Still, there is no reason why wizards might not have retained a few ideas that Muggles lost, or why plumbing could not have been installed at a later time.

I suppose, why need plumbing at all when you can vanish stuff? Just how to bring about the innovation of plumbing and re-create the entry with pipes? Bit odd. Good catch Gertie!

Do you think it is possible that Voledermont could have gotten something from the Chamber of Secrets, an object of Salazar wanted his heir to have. Voldermont could have used this as a Horcrux, or could a Horcrux be in the chamber itself.

I still think Griffyndors sword may be one

Do you think it is possible that Voledermont could have gotten something from the Chamber of Secrets, an object of Salazar wanted his heir to have. Voldermont could have used this as a Horcrux, or could a Horcrux be in the chamber itself.


The Chamber was almost certainly the intended hiding place for the Diary. Had Voldemort's plan gone as scheduled, the possessed student would have left it there ere he or she died (as Ginny Weasley almost did).

It is unlikely that Voldemort used another item from the Chamber. He almost certainly had only one Horcrux when he killed Hepzibah Smith (he was only very slighly distorted, with eyes occassionally flashing red), and he would have turned such an relic into a Horcrux prior to that. With two Horcruxes, we should expect the physical distortion to have been greater: remember, he wound up serpentine with only 5 horcruxes.


I still think Griffyndors sword may be one

There is no reason to think that Lord Voldemort ever had access to it: there is no evidence that it was sitting around in the open prior to Harry pulling it out of the Sorting Hat. At any rate, Voldemort certainly would not willingly leave a Horcrux where Dumbledore could easily find it: if Voldemort had gotten possession of Gryffindor's sword, then he would have hidden it someplace secret and of personal relevance, and then proceeded to protect it with the usual curses, traps, disguises, etc.

Yes and no. The Romans had plumbing: indeed, the word plumbing is a cognate with the Latin word for "lead," the substance that they used for their pipes. (That is why "lead" is "Pb" on the chemical charts.) Kids at home: don't do that!

However, the Romans were far more advanced than were the Medieval Europeans, who had lapsed back into barbarism, really. Things like plumbing were essentially lost.

Still, there is no reason why wizards might not have retained a few ideas that Muggles lost, or why plumbing could not have been installed at a later time.
Not true, the Normans were renowned for their excellent stone masonary and their architecture in general. And yes some of their castles and abbeys did have indoor plumbing - Battle Abbey (built on the site of the Battle of Hastings) is one such example. The nobles of that time certainly couldn't be descibed as barbarians who had to go down to the river for a bath.

Not true, the Normans were renowned for their excellent stone masonary and their architecture in general. And yes some of their castles and abbeys did have indoor plumbing - Battle Abbey (built on the site of the Battle of Hastings) is one such example. The nobles of that time certainly couldn't be descibed as barbarians who had to go down to the river for a bath.

The plumbing was of amuch cruder sort than the Romans had (being designed to take things away, not to also bring things into a residence), although it also was less prone to causing drooling and brain damage! That being said, it also was not inconsistent with what is described in Chamber of Secrets, as Harry was going through wide pipes of the sort designed to take waste away! (Yes, charming thought, that.....)

And next to the Romans, the Norman nobility was very barbaric. It was not until the Renaissance that Europe got back to where the Romans were on many technological issues.


Of course, this all is quite moot concerning where Horcruxes are. Anachronistic plumbing or not, there is not a Horcrux in the Hogwarts waterworks! Again, there is absolutely no reason to think that there is a Horcrux anywhere at Hogwarts.

Anachronistic plumbing or not, there is not a Horcrux in the Hogwarts waterworks! Again, there is absolutely no reason to think that there is a Horcrux anywhere at Hogwarts.You're absolutely right. I'm sorry, because I think it's my fault that all are talking about after I digressed from the subject by answering the question, if there could be a horcrux at Hogwarts and posting that all is open, if the entry chamber could be in a bathroom, which couldn't be there 1000 years ago. :blush:

Back to the tracking. You really make me wonder by posting that it has to be a place, where Peeves can't hide. I think I'm returning to my first guess, which I made some days ago, that there's probably no second horcrux at Hogwarts.

I think that Voldemort was saving a horcrux for when he thought he would kill Harry. In GoF it says "Instead of killing the small boy, the curse had rebounded upon Voldemort." (Hard Back US ed. pg 20) This would mean that by he died, so he only has 5 horcruxes left (assuming he was saving one for Harry), plus the one from which he was reborn in the graveyard. Locket, Ring, HH's cup, diary, nagini. He couldn't use the ring or diary because they have been destroyed (unless Dumbledore didn't realize that the ring didn't have Voldemort's piece of soul left, which is unlikely). Unless RAB was clever distraction, Voldy didn't use the locket either. I don't think that he would have put that letter because he could have known if a DE was planning on destroying one of his horcruxes, and the only ones who might have known were his DEs. Nagini isn't the horcrux he used because they coexist in the Riddle house in GoF. That leaves HH's cup. (I posted in both horcrux threads, feel free to delete this if necessary)

I think that Voldemort was saving a horcrux for when he thought he would kill Harry. In GoF it says "Instead of killing the small boy, the curse had rebounded upon Voldemort." (Hard Back US ed. pg 20) This would mean that by he died, so he only has 5 horcruxes left (assuming he was saving one for Harry)When the AK rebounded it ripped LV from his body. It killed LVs mortal body, but the soul within survived---fans routinely call this portion of soul "Vapormort". Voldemort had succeeded in creating five Horcruxes---before his downfall at Godric's Hollow.
plus the one from which he was reborn in the graveyard.A Horcrux is not a use or lose item. It simply contains a bit of a Dark wizards soul. Vapormort existed, and from Vapormort---with the potion in the cemetery---LV was reborn into a body. He never used a Horcrux to be reborn, nor did he need to.

That last portion of his soul---Vapormort---it cannot die, not until all of LVs Horcruxes are destroyed. That means Harry must find and destroy the locket, the cup, the snake, and the unknown RR/GG artifact. Then Harry must go after that final portion of soul, the one that resides in LVs new body.

I am a bit confused in this thread. I thought that Harry has to find four more Horcruxes but some people are talking about 5 more Horcruxes. I am confused. Can someone correct me and/or show me passages that show me if I am right or wrong?

It is my understanding that Harry needs to find only four more Horcruxes. One is in Voldemort. One is the ring that DD destroyed. And Harry destroyed the diary. So those three are gone. That leaves only four: the locket (which may or may not have been destroyed and I am pretty sure is the one in the Black house), the cup, something of Gryfindor's and/or Ravenclaw's, and Nagini.

I am a bit confused in this thread. I thought that Harry has to find four more Horcruxes but some people are talking about 5 more Horcruxes. I am confused. Can someone correct me and/or show me passages that show me if I am right or wrong?

It is my understanding that Harry needs to find only four more Horcruxes. One is in Voldemort. One is the ring that DD destroyed. And Harry destroyed the diary. So those three are gone. That leaves only four: the locket (which may or may not have been destroyed and I am pretty sure is the one in the Black house), the cup, something of Gryfindor's and/or Ravenclaw's, and Nagini.To our knowledge, according to DD, Voldemort only created six Horcruxes.

Voldemort wanted a seven-part soul, this is what he worked towards. So Voldemort split his soul---six times [which conveniently make 7 pieces]...placing a portion of soul into six different Horcruxes, and leaving the final portion of his soul within his own body. Voldemort is not and has never been a Horcrux; the body is the 'natural vessel' of the soul."A Horcrux is the word used for an object in which a person has concealed part of their soul."........"Well, you split your soul, you see," said Slughorn, "and hide part of it in an object outside the body.""But firstly, no, Harry, not seven Horcruxes: six. The seventh part of his soul, however maimed, resides inside his regenerated body. That was the part of him that lived a spectral existence for so many years during his exile; without that he has no sense of self.The spectral form is what fans call "Vapormort".That seventh piece of soul will be the last that anybody wishing to kill Voldemort must attack---the piece that lives in his body.So Harry is tasked with finding and destroying the last four of LVs Horcruxes: LV initially had six: Diary, Ring, Locket, Cup, Snake, unknown Ravenclaw/Gryffindor artifact. Of those the Diary and Ring Horcruxes have been destroyed. This leaves the Locket, Cup, Snake, and unknown founder relic to be found and destroyed. Once that happens, then Harry can take on Voldemort, to kill that final piece of LVs soul in his body."So if all of his Horcruxes are destroyed, Voldemort could be killed?"
"Yes, I think so," said Dumbledore. "Without his Horcruxes, Voldemort will be a mortal man with a maimed and diminished soul.So the whole gist of the Horcrux plot is that Harry must seek and destroy Voldemort's seven-part soul==six Horcruxes, and the final bit of soul in his body.

Voldemort is still there - he relived in GoF, so he's the last part of soul, that has to be destroyed. Harry has to go first to the four horcruxes, then to the last one = Voldemort. It's a order JK confirmed on the mugglenet/leaky-interview.

Edit: Ooops - kingwidgit was one more time faster and much more detailed.:blush:

To our knowledge, according to DD, Voldemort only created six Horcruxes.

Voldemort wanted a seven-part soul, this is what he worked towards. So Voldemort split his soul---six times [which conveniently make 7 pieces]...placing a portion of soul into six different Horcruxes, and leaving the final portion of his soul within his own body. Voldemort is not and has never been a Horcrux; the body is the 'natural vessel' of the soul."A Horcrux is the word used for an object in which a person has concealed part of their soul."........"Well, you split your soul, you see," said Slughorn, "and hide part of it in an object outside the body.""But firstly, no, Harry, not seven Horcruxes: six. The seventh part of his soul, however maimed, resides inside his regenerated body. That was the part of him that lived a spectral existence for so many years during his exile; without that he has no sense of self.The spectral form is what fans call "Vapormort".That seventh piece of soul will be the last that anybody wishing to kill Voldemort must attack---the piece that lives in his body.So Harry is tasked with finding and destroying the last four of LVs Horcruxes: LV initially had six: Diary, Ring, Locket, Cup, Snake, unknown Ravenclaw/Gryffindor artifact. Of those the Diary and Ring Horcruxes have been destroyed. This leaves the Locket, Cup, Snake, and unknown founder relic to be found and destroyed. Once that happens, then Harry can take on Voldemort, to kill that final piece of LVs soul in his body."So if all of his Horcruxes are destroyed, Voldemort could be killed?"
"Yes, I think so," said Dumbledore. "Without his Horcruxes, Voldemort will be a mortal man with a maimed and diminished soul.So the whole gist of the Horcrux plot is that Harry must seek and destroy Voldemort's seven-part soul==six Horcruxes, and the final bit of soul in his body.

Thanks! I knew why he had to find and destroy them but the more I read this thread, the more I was confused about how many there were!

Thanks! I knew why he had to find and destroy them but the more I read this thread, the more I was confused about how many there were!There are some fans that seem to think LV can make unlimited Horcruxes---but that goes against what JK confirmed in that Mugglenet/TLC interview gertiekeddle mentioned above: "I don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore says, ‘There are four out there, you've got to get rid of four, and then you go for Voldemort.’ So that's where he is, and that's what he's got to do."

So, I'm all for the locket being found at 12 Grimmauld Place, London.

I think the snake is somewhere in the UK with Wormtail...

I believe that one Horcrux---Hufflepuff's cup---is somewhere in Albania.

I also think that Harry will find vital information regarding the unknown Horcrux when he returns to Godric's Hollow...not that he will find one there, just information that will lead him to one.

I know lindaluna is fond of Egypt....so I'll throw this out there and see what everyone thinks.

Phoenix's are found in Egypt, India, and China...DD said: "Well, as you now know, for many years I have made it my business to discover as much as I can about Voldemort's past life. I have travelled widely, visiting those places he once knew."

In CoS, memory Tom does not seem to be aware that DD has a pet phoenix...could it be that DD acquired Fawkes after Riddle left school, during his travels while tracing LVs path through the places he once knew?

I think the snake is somewhere in the UK with Wormtail...
So are you suggesting that Voldemort left Nagini from his side and confided her to Wormtail? I really don't think Voldmeort is THAT stupid... I think Harry will find Nagini at the same time he finds Voldemort. When this happens, Voldemort in his infinit arrogance will tell Harry "Ok kid, give your best shot" at whish point Harry will aim for Nagini and Voldemort will realize what a huge mistake he just made.In CoS, memory Tom does not seem to be aware that DD has a pet phoenix...could it be that DD acquired Fawkes after Riddle left school, during his travels while tracing LVs path through the places he once knew?
Nice one widgit I really like this theory!!!

*waves to saurjusa! Welcome back, Dude!So are you suggesting that Voldemort left Nagini from his side and confided her to Wormtail? I really don't think Voldmeort is THAT stupid... I think Harry will find Nagini at the same time he finds Voldemort. When this happens, Voldemort in his infinit arrogance will tell Harry "Ok kid, give your best shot" at whish point Harry will aim for Nagini and Voldemort will realize what a huge mistake he just made.Well, since I think Wormtail went back to LV once Snape began teaching at Hogwarts that year, I don't find it hard to believe that she is with Wormtail...after all, what use is 'Tail now...why not have him perform the job that he was doing for most of GoF---taking care of Nagini. When LV went to the MoM in OoP, someone had to keep an eye on the snake, didn't they? She wasn't with LV at the MoM for that final battle with DD...
Nice one widgit I really like this theory!!! :blush: Thankee...we know that LV was aware of DD having a phoenix when he returned for the DADA post, ten years after the murder of Hepzibah Smith:There was Fawkes slumbering happily on his perch, and there behind the desk was Dumbledore...

In CoS, memory Tom does not seem to be aware that DD has a pet phoenix...could it be that DD acquired Fawkes after Riddle left school, during his travels while tracing LVs path through the places he once knew?This is a godd guess! I got the impression that Dumbledore was 'ever' with the Phoenix, but Fawkes was indeed never metioned before.

But I doubt Fawkes was at his country of origin, when Dumbledore started to look after the places Voldemort visited. Fawkes spend at least the first fever before Tom realized that he's a wizard. I don't know how Ollivander got the phoenix, unicorn and dragon things he put in the wands. Maybe it wasn't Dumbledore's pet, but I would guess Fawkes was still in Britain this time.

I assume there's max. one horcurx outside Britain, just technically because there're so much (new and known) places left to visit in 7. ;) It's definately not that big for Harry to travel into foreign countries, but I don't think some in country Asia will be one of them.

To choose between both, I would prefer Albania (it was mentioned before...), but, to be honest, I think Albania was just Voldemorts hiding place, but not a special place in his life or 'career as most dark and powerful wizard'. This is a condition, the place where a horcrux is, should have.
It maybe would fit now (after his reliving), but it - by all we know - disn't before.

Harry should pay attention to Professor Slughorn. Members of the Slug Club seem to have famous relations. It is possible that he could get leads to locations if he finds people related to Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, or are purebloods. He could meet some pretty interesting people....which could help him find clues.....

:blush: thanks for the welcome, who knows how long will it last, It looks like the firewall is down for the day, lets hope it stays like that...

after all, what use is 'Tail now...why not have him perform the job that he was doing for most of GoF---taking care of Nagini.But this "care" was more centered in "milking" nagini since LV needed the venom to subsist. If you are right and Nagini is with Tail, I would sugges that Nagini is keeping an eye on Tail and not all the way arround. I wonder if voldy knows that tail is in a life debt to Harry yet...
She wasn't with LV at the MoM for that final battle with DD...No, she wasn't but I really think she can take care of herself... and don't forget that snakes like rats...to eat, that is... poor tail, he must be so scared :evil:

No, she wasn't but I really think she can take care of herself... and don't forget that snakes like rats...to eat, that is... poor tail, he must be so scared :evil:I know she can take care of herself...it's just that if she's a Horcrux, as DD has led us to believe, LVs not gonna feel all that comfortable allowing her to slither about without some kind of escort...and Pettigrew is one DE who really isn't pulling his considerable weight, in fact he's a useless lump.

I think that Nagini was with 'Tail at Spinner's End, and that she was spying for LV---both by keeping an eye on 'Tail while he kept an eye on her, and on Snape...I don't believe that LV fell for Snape's mumbo-jumbo at all. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Poor 'Tail? Poor Nagini, think of the indigestion she'd get! :eyebrows:

Harry should pay attention to Professor Slughorn. Members of the Slug Club seem to have famous relations. It is possible that he could get leads to locations if he finds people related to Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, or are purebloods. He could meet some pretty interesting people....which could help him find clues.....

See The heirs of Ravenclaw, Gryffindor, Slytherin and Hufflepuff (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=60027)

The heirs/descendants of the other founders are not necessarily going to be purebloods, what with them not sharing Slytherin's zeal for inbreeding to keep magic in a few families.

... he only has 5 horcruxes left (assuming he was saving one for Harry), plus the one from which he was reborn in the graveyard.

I don't think Voldy used a horcrux to rise in the graveyard. DD said it was an ancient dark magic ritual, having nothing to do with horcruxes. I don't think voldy had access to his horcruxes, and even if he did (like the ring and the locket) he was too weak to fight magically to get them, and so was Wormtail.

I don't think Voldy used a horcrux to rise in the graveyard.
Exactly, the ingredients for the ritual were blood, bone and flesh. Plus what ever weird clumsy magic Wormtail was able to perform in order to get from vapormort to babymort, which had also something to do with Nagini and her venom. The usefullness on the HX was the fact that Vapormort was created, his soul was earthbound and he couldn't die because of this. A horcrux was not consumed by the fact that Voldemort was reborn...

So the whole gist of the Horcrux plot is that Harry must seek and destroy Voldemort's seven-part soul==six Horcruxes, and the final bit of soul in his body.
;) I never get tired of hearing that.

I know lindaluna is fond of Egypt....so I'll throw this out there and see what everyone thinks.

Phoenix's are found in Egypt, India, and China...DD said: "Well, as you now know, for many years I have made it my business to discover as much as I can about Voldemort's past life. I have travelled widely, visiting those places he once knew."And the Balkans. With the one-eyed people of Scythia. Don't get me started !

Do you remember Harry speculating in one book about what Dumbledore did on summer vacation? I don't have my books with me but Harry imagined Dumbledore on a beach. This made me think of Albania (mediterranean coast !!!!)

I still like Egypt - Asterix & Obelix went there a lot - but I fear "time is making fools of us again".

Exactly, the ingredients for the ritual were blood, bone and flesh. Plus what ever weird clumsy magic Wormtail was able to perform in order to get from vapormort to babymort, which had also something to do with Nagini and her venom. The usefullness on the HX was the fact that Vapormort was created, his soul was earthbound and he couldn't die because of this. A horcrux was not consumed by the fact that Voldemort was reborn...

just as backup for that LV's soul inside his body wasnt destroyed remember avada kedavra rips your soul out of the body and extinuishes the life in the body so technically i assume that vapormort was really a sort of memory soul combination thing

and from something before i dont remember who but they said something about no way a horcrux is in hogwarts i have to disagree im not saying it is there but it is possible hogwarts is HUGE and DD doesnt know the entire place as we found he ran into the RoR once and he couldnt find it anymore plus LV was in that castle for years and then after graduating came back asked prof dippet for a job which is once in the castle and then later when DD is headmaster he comes once again couldnt dolohov or the other DE's have placed a HX in the castle because otherwise i see no reason for them to follow LV every single place he goes especially when they arent there to protect because they supposedly were in hogsmeade at a pub waitiong for him to return.

JK Rowling in an interview said that she wouldn't be bringing any foreigners into book 7, so I find that kind of hard if Harry leaves Britain.

hmm. that would be interesting i didnt think that LV would have many places in britain to hide a horcrux while having the place have some importance to him i can only think of hogwarts the riddle house which he hated along with the orphanage. the cave where he tortured the kids was special to him cause he probably had the time of his life.

but when you look back at it we still dont know as much as we need to to make accurate guesses atother places he's been considering we only know about a few murders dumbledores memories and that he dissappeared from the world view for a full 10 years

and youre sure she said there would be no foreigners??? after all that about egypt and albania and everything.

i wonder if she means there will be no important foreigners because if they do go to egypt and see a native that wouldt be like bringing a foreigner in would it???

She didn't say that. She said there wouldn't be any major new characters in book 7. That actually leaves the door open for minor new characters. She also said something previously about no foreign exchange students since Hogwarts was a UK school.

Phew.... if there would be no foreigners period that would narrow and make the search much harder

I deleted and reposted my response since I had a lot more to say about foreign locales. JK Rowling in an interview said that she wouldn't be bringing any foreigners into book 7, so I find that kind of hard if Harry leaves Britain.
She didn't say that. She said there wouldn't be any major new characters in book 7. That actually leaves the door open for minor new characters. She also said something previously about no foreign exchange students since Hogwarts was a UK school.

But I don't think there will be a lot of travel to foreign lands because JKR also said that one of the reasons why OotP was so large was that she had to move the kids around to so many locations. I'll explain in writing terms. Every time a new locale is written you have to provide a lot of detailed background description (and probably some explanation) about the locale. When a writer uses an established locale they can use shorthand to describe it. So we are told the kids are in the Burrow, but we don't need much description since we already know what it looks like. But Grimmauld Place and the Ministry needed a lot of description.

If JKR throws in a lot of exotic locales in book 7 it will become enormous, and she already has a lot to accomplish without that. And she knows that.

well i agree that they wont travel way too much but i think that it will be weird if they dont go to hogwarts and just stay in the burrow or grimmauld place for a few months thinking where the HXs could be and then checking them out.

if it is egypt i think they may ask charlie to do a sort of quick check if he ends up going back

and if it is albania they might just apparate into a remote forest which wont require too much background.

I think they have Nottingham, a forest where some Goblins were suspiciously were killed by LV. We have the Riddle house and/or graveyard. LV was supposed to make Nagini a horcrux from Frank Bryce. We still have Hogwarts in my opinion (and the RoR in particular). Hogwarts is too large to overlook. The RoR is too unique to write off. We definitely have GP.

I think the Goblins might tie into Aunt Muriel's goblin made tiara

i actually agree with you on nottingham, GP, and hogwarts (RoR) included.

but i didnt mention those because those were in my opinion likly places but that wasnt what i was trying to get across.

and a little while back people had arguements about that sort of thing im trying not to re ignite it when it is not necissary for my point or views to be supported.

the tiara strikes me as somewhat suspicious but i dont think that it is a HX it just doesnt seem to me that JKR would add something in for a page filler and i dont see it as much of a charactar building moment because we already understood that the enimity between mrs weasly and fleur is gone.

There is many things that we don't know about Voldermont, so many things that Dumbledore didn't even know about. That has something to do with where and what some of the Horcruxes are .

ya but that doesnt bring us any closer

Here's a thought, I'm not sure if this theory has been suggested before, it sort of fits in with the Snape is good theory. I don't really have much to back it up, as it just popped into my head.

Perhaps Dumbledore is a horcrux. We are going to learn more about Dumbledore come book 7, right? Maybe he was a horcrux and learned of it, thus he had Snape kill him.

If Dumbledore's assuming is true and Nagini is a horcrux and so strong related to Voldemort, I doubt Dumbledore wouldn't realize this - although I actually like the idea. ;)

But, no. Dumbledore would definately realized this while making and later - but years before he died.

Here's a thought, I'm not sure if this theory has been suggested before, it sort of fits in with the Snape is good theory. I don't really have much to back it up, as it just popped into my head.

Perhaps Dumbledore is a horcrux. We are going to learn more about Dumbledore come book 7, right? Maybe he was a horcrux and learned of it, thus he had Snape kill him.
Then why would he order Draco to kill Dumbledore - not the sort of thing you want to do with your horcrux. Of course, LV probably did not expect Draco to succeed, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut on occasion. I would definitely agree that somehow Snape's killing of DD kept a strategy on track (whether that strategy had included DD's death all along or not), but DD as a horcrux seems a very unlikely pieve of LV's strategy.

Then why would he order Draco to kill Dumbledore - not the sort of thing you want to do with your horcrux. Of course, LV probably did not expect Draco to succeed, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut on occasion. I would definitely agree that somehow Snape's killing of DD kept a strategy on track (whether that strategy had included DD's death all along or not), but DD as a horcrux seems a very unlikely pieve of LV's strategy.

Perhaps Voldemort honestly considered himself Dumbledore's superior and thought he could keep him in line until Dumbledore took him down in the Ministry of Magic. Then Voldemort saw the destruction of one Horcrux as a worthy sacrifice?

I don't think that ghosts really concern themselves too much in the affairs of the living, so he wouldn't have helped the Dark Lord.
Actually, after reading a post by CBW in the Layers thread I think he may havebeen after a Snitch that James may have had that belonged to the inventor of Quidditch. Not that he got his hands on it or made it into a Horocrux or is even still there. I just can't give up the Snitch theory :p .

Here's a thought, I'm not sure if this theory has been suggested before, it sort of fits in with the Snape is good theory. I don't really have much to back it up, as it just popped into my head.

Perhaps Dumbledore is a horcrux. We are going to learn more about Dumbledore come book 7, right? Maybe he was a horcrux and learned of it, thus he had Snape kill him.

Not new. I came up with it in a slightly different form.

Potion is horcrux. Dumbledore drinks potion. Dumbledore becomes horcrux. Snape destroys horcrux by killing Dumbledore. That's why the look of revulsion on Snape's face. He sees Voldemort in Dumbledore. The inconsistancies in the AK can be accounted for because of the destruction of a horcrux at the same time.

Voldemort didn't intend for his horcrux to be destroyed. He had no way of knowing that Dumbledore would be the wizard that drank that potion.

i actually agree with you on nottingham, GP, and hogwarts (RoR) included.

but i didnt mention those because those were in my opinion likly places but that wasnt what i was trying to get across.

and a little while back people had arguements about that sort of thing im trying not to re ignite it when it is not necissary for my point or views to be supported.

the tiara strikes me as somewhat suspicious but i dont think that it is a HX it just doesnt seem to me that JKR would add something in for a page filler and i dont see it as much of a charactar building moment because we already understood that the enimity between mrs weasly and fleur is gone.
There has to be a connection with the tiara. It is the only thing that makes sense.

Not new. I came up with it in a slightly different form.

Potion is horcrux. Dumbledore drinks potion. Dumbledore becomes horcrux. Snape destroys horcrux by killing Dumbledore. That's why the look of revulsion on Snape's face. He sees Voldemort in Dumbledore. The inconsistancies in the AK can be accounted for because of the destruction of a horcrux at the same time.

Voldemort didn't intend for his horcrux to be destroyed. He had no way of knowing that Dumbledore would be the wizard that drank that potion.
I also suggested that Snape used the AK on the Locket and the protection that was on it is what made DD fall.(Even though it was not the real locket, RAB, would have put a spell on it to try and kill Voldy before he realized anything was wrong, even though he doubted it would work). Snape would not have wanted to kill DD, if killing an enemy tears your soul, think what a big tear killing a friend would cause.

The new Wizard of the Month on Jo's site is Bowman Wright - inventor of the Golden Snitch. Wright lived in Godric's Hollow. Quidditch Through the Ages notes that all Wright's papers pertaining to this accomplishment are in the hands of a 'private collector.' Important historical magical papers (well, pertaining to magic) in the hands of a private collector sounds like the locket and Hufflepuff cup in Hepzibah Smith's hands. The possibility of Harry picking up this trail when he goes to Godric's Hollow sounds like a really good bet - perhaps even the private collector was James or the Potter grandparents. Hmm!

EDIT - suppose the papers had been made a horcrux (or perhaps the very first Snitch) and they had belonged to the Potters, so that they rightfully belonged to Harry now - what a dilemma for Harry - sole remaining Potter and supertalented Seeker - to have to destroy them in his horcrux hunt. Doing what is right rather than what is easy.

Quidditch Through the Ages notes that all Wright's papers pertaining to this accomplishment are in the hands of a 'private collector.' Important historical magical papers (well, pertaining to magic) in the hands of a private collector sounds like the locket and Hufflepuff cup in Hepzibah Smith's hands. The possibility of Harry picking up this trail when he goes to Godric's Hollow sounds like a really good bet - perhaps even the private collector was James or the Potter grandparents. Hmm!
This all comes back to the lack of canon suggesting Voldemort was ever interested in Quidditch. Not to mention the fact that the only connection between a founder and the Golden Snitch's inventor appears to be him living in a village named after Godric Gryffindor. I think Voldemort would have wanted something more obviously connected to a founder than that.

EDIT - suppose the papers had been made a horcrux (or perhaps the very first Snitch) and they had belonged to the Potters, so that they rightfully belonged to Harry now - what a dilemma for Harry - sole remaining Potter and supertalented Seeker - to have to destroy them in his horcrux hunt. Doing what is right rather than what is easy.
That's hardly a difficult choice as choices go.

Is there any clue in the books that makes you think that? The cup is a known historical artefact and Dumbledore has suspected that it is a Horcrux for some time, otherwise it might have been fun to speculate that it was hidden in full view in the Hogwart's trophy room. But Tom didn't obtain the cup until after he left school. Could he have brought it back to Hogwarts and hidden it there without Dumbledore knowing?

Actually, when I was rereading PS/SS, I suddenly realized that Jo might have told us precisely where not one, but two Horcruxes are hidden. Look at the bald statement at the end of Chapter 9. Yes, I'm going to make you look for yourself.

And remember, Tom Riddle did make at least one visit back to Hogwarts that we know of, before he went completely rogue, and also spent a year there in Quirrell's head.

Actually, when I was rereading PS/SS, I suddenly realized that Jo might have told us precisely where not one, but two Horcruxes are hidden. Look at the bald statement at the end of Chapter 9. Yes, I'm going to make you look for yourself.

And remember, Tom Riddle did make at least one visit back to Hogwarts that we know of, before he went completely rogue, and also spent a year there in Quirrell's head.Without the book and off the top of my head, that should be the scene right after the kids meet Fluffy...

So, you think referencing Hogwarts and Gringotts in that chapter may indicate possible locales for Horcruxes...they have been mentioned before...and some believe that Bill's curse breaking skills as well as his employment at Gringotts may actually aid in breaking curses of Horcruxes...

Without the book and off the top of my head, that should be the scene right after the kids meet Fluffy...

So, you think referencing Hogwarts and Gringotts in that chapter may indicate possible locales for Horcruxes...they have been mentioned before...and some believe that Bill's curse breaking skills as well as his employment at Gringotts may actually aid in breaking curses of Horcruxes...

"Gringotts was the safest place in the world for something you wanted to hide-except perhaps Hogwarts." pg. 162 PS/SS

I think there is a good possibility of Horcruxes being hidden in both these places although I'm unsure of Bill's usefulness in recovering the one inside Gringotts. While he may work for them he isn't a goblin and my personal impression of goblins was that they kept to themselves. I do agree that Bill's crusebreaking experience should be instrumental in destroying the Horcruxes though. I wonder if Griphook might assist Harry in searching Gringotts because it just seems odd that Jo would give us his name.

sorry if this has been said but I was listening to OoTP last night had a revelation.
we know that JKR usually doesn't write scenes in the book that don't have some sort of meaning, and a scene that stuck me in particular was when Hermione goes to Kreacher's "room" to give him his x-mas present. His room is described as having a pile of things from the house that he rescued from the garbage. Is it possible that the locket was one of them?

I have an idea as to were the trio could have a clue as to where to the trio poke around to find a Horcrux. Remember when Dumbledore tells Harry that Harry had given Dumbledore poof that Voldemort had spilt his soul in more than two parts :

Well, altough I did not see the Riddle who came out of the diary, what you described to me was a phenomenon I had never witnessed.[I] A mere memory, starting to act and think for itself? A mere memory spapping the life out of the girl into whose hands it had fallen?

Here's what bothers me did you notice the part about thinking and acting for itself especially the think part. If sounds alittle familiar here's why:

Ginny! said Mr.Weasley, flabbergasted. Haven't I taught you anything? What have I always told you? Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain?Why didn't you show the diary to me, or your mother? A suspicious object like that, it was clearly full of Dark Magic-

Hold the phone, how would Mr.Weasley [keeping the first quote in mind] know to " Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain?" and that "it was clearly full of Dark Magic" ? Well his job consist of almost nothing but things like cursed objects. Whose to say he hasn't heard about or dealt with a smiliar object.
I hope this makes sence. What do you think?

yeah I thinlk so

Perhaps Voldemort honestly considered himself Dumbledore's superior and thought he could keep him in line until Dumbledore took him down in the Ministry of Magic. Then Voldemort saw the destruction of one Horcrux as a worthy sacrifice?

there isnt such a thing as a bad theory as long as your being serious but im not convinced
if LV considered dumbledore beneath him then why didnt he attack hogwarts before
it was stated that dumbledore was the only one he feared but if you ask me he was more like a powerful foe and therefore Lv was waiting for the oppertune moment.
Then he believes that 7 is the most powerful number and if he ordered dumbledore killed he would have 6 and if he made more it would be a 7 part soul but the part in his body would be cut in 2 again! so the magical bonus might not work.
then i think that dumbledore would notice after a few very dark impulses that something was wrong.

Actually, after reading a post by CBW in the Layers thread I think he may havebeen after a Snitch that James may have had that belonged to the inventor of Quidditch. Not that he got his hands on it or made it into a Horocrux or is even still there. I just can't give up the Snitch theory :p .

would anyone mind plz giving me a quick run through the snitch theory?

There has to be a connection with the tiara. It is the only thing that makes sense.

i believe there is some connection to the tiara but im just saying i dont think it to be a Horcrux if you have sufficent proof please share it i'm keeping an open mind as i have learned that very few things with JKR are obvious and i dont know what to expect from her masterpieces but what my point is is that i havent seen much any proof that suggests it to be a horcrux

T perhaps even the private collector was James or the Potter grandparents. Hmm!

i seem to remember JKR saying that harrys grandparents were not very important to the story and that sounds a little important to me so in my mind i am marking them off for that. james is a maybe but they would have likely been taken somewhere by some other relative or friend or if not then crushed by the house. after the accident


EDIT - suppose the papers had been made a horcrux (or perhaps the very first Snitch) and they had belonged to the Potters, so that they rightfully belonged to Harry now - what a dilemma for Harry - sole remaining Potter and supertalented Seeker - to have to destroy them in his horcrux hunt. Doing what is right rather than what is easy.

i disagree that wouldnt be a hard choice after all that LV did i dont think that harry would hesitate to destroy it for more than a nano second unless there was some other way to remove the soul inside

and

Why would the tiara be a Horcrux, I think if it was it would have been mentioned before.

I have an idea as to were the trio could have a clue as to where to the trio poke around to find a Horcrux. Remember when Dumbledore tells Harry that Harry had given Dumbledore poof that Voldemort had spilt his soul in more than two parts :


Here's what bothers me did you notice the part about thinking and acting for itself especially the think part. If sounds alittle familiar here's why:



Hold the phone, how would Mr.Weasley [keeping the first quote in mind] know to " Never trust anything that can think for itself [I]if you can't see where it keeps its brain?" and that "it was clearly full of Dark Magic" ? Well his job consist of almost nothing but things like cursed objects. Whose to say he hasn't heard about or dealt with a smiliar object.
I hope this makes sence. What do you think?
im not too sure what your getting at are you suggesting mr.weasly is evil or has ties to dark magic??
i think that they might have picked something up in DADA after them having a full 7 yrs training by a competent teacher.

Why would the tiara be a Horcrux, I think if it was it would have been mentioned before.

thats sort of what im getting at but not for the reason you said we didnt know of the cup until now (book six) or the locket or ring

but it should stand out a little more or have some proof to support it but im sure there is some out there but i havent as of yet seen it.

Many people think that the locket was mentioned in OotP, when they were cleaning out Sirus's house.

oh ya sorry forgot about that and i think that is The locket

would anyone mind plz giving me a quick run through the snitch theory?



i believe there is some connection to the tiara but im just saying i dont think it to be a Horcrux if you have sufficent proof please share it i'm keeping an open mind as i have learned that very few things with JKR are obvious and i dont know what to expect from her masterpieces but what my point is is that i havent seen much any proof that suggests it to be a horcrux



i seem to remember JKR saying that harrys grandparents were not very important to the story and that sounds a little important to me so in my mind i am marking them off for that. james is a maybe but they would have likely been taken somewhere by some other relative or friend or if not then crushed by the house. after the accident


The snitch is golden, something that is precious, it has wings, connection to Ravenclaw. Quiditch is a game of Stradigy, another connection to Ravenclaw and the first Quiditch pitch was on a moor, I think it was owned at one time by GG, the Moor is another founder connection. Also the Quidditch Museum is unplotable, which would make it a good hiding spot.

AS for the tiara, there is the grey lady's tiara, and there are many mentions of hats which have a link to egyptian godsand feathers are a connection to ravenclaw, Neville's gram's vulture hat, and MM's hat with the feathers, and DD's hat with the spiders all over it, the disapearing Hats, the fact that Nick is only nearly headless, Hermoine making HATS and socks for the house elves, the sorting hat having "a brain that you can't see",Aunt Bernices tiara, Luna's Lion Hat, and since this is all linked to Egypt, we look at how tombs are protected with poisened air, another link to Ravenclaw.
This is the fourth version of this thread and I have been posting from the start, I will go back to version two and find were I compiled all of the suggested Horocruxes and repost it here. That was when the location and identifying threads got split and it became harder to keep track.

The snitch is golden, something that is precious, it has wings, connection to Ravenclaw. Quiditch is a game of Stradigy, another connection to Ravenclaw and the first Quiditch pitch was on a moor, I think it was owned at one time by GG, the Moor is another founder connection. Also the Quidditch Museum is unplotable, which would make it a good hiding spot.

AS for the tiara, there is the grey lady's tiara, and there are many mentions of hats which have a link to egyptian godsand feathers are a connection to ravenclaw, Neville's gram's vulture hat, and MM's hat with the feathers, and DD's hat with the spiders all over it, the disapearing Hats, the fact that Nick is only nearly headless, Hermoine making HATS and socks for the house elves, the sorting hat having "a brain that you can't see",Aunt Bernices tiara, Luna's Lion Hat, and since this is all linked to Egypt, we look at how tombs are protected with poisened air, another link to Ravenclaw.
This is the fourth version of this thread and I have been posting from the start, I will go back to version two and find were I compiled all of the suggested Horocruxes and repost it here. That was when the location and identifying threads got split and it became harder to keep track.And then there are the mentions of crowns/headwear...

The White King took of his crown and through it at Harry's feet.
Weasley is our King
Crown Shaped badges
Goblin wrought and indestructible battle helmet
Nimbus {2000}: {Halo} A radiant light that appears usually in the form of a circle or halo about or over the head in the representation of a god, demigod, saint, or sacred person such as a king or an emperor.
Ugly wreath of thistles around the brim of McGonagall's hat.

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If Auntie Muriel's tiara is a Horcrux how did LV get his hands on it to make it one...through the murders of Gideon and Fabien perhaps?

But then why leave it in Auntie's possession?

And where does Auntie keep it safe? Gringott's?

what does the nimbus have to do with a halo? is that the translation?

and that was what i meant about the tiara how would LV make it into a Horcrux and then let it become in auntie muriels possesion
everyone is starting to pick random items out but they seem to forget that
LV keeps the horcruxes very well hiden and powerfully protected.
my guess is that 4-6 people ever knew of the horcruxes. dumbledore , R.A.B., Lord voldemort, slughorn, and possibly a DE or 2 like possibly snape

now half are dead one of them is the creator and 1 wont speak of it.

Here is my theory:

When Voldemort first came after Harry, he used the killing curse. As we are told in the books, Lily's love rebounded the curse, therefore reversing the power back upon Voldemort. If this is true, then Voldemort died (that body did as least). So then at that point he was down to six horcruxes. Obviously RAB destroyed one, so five. All the others have been identified, on of those including Voldemort. "But that means he is worth two horcruxes." What I am thinking, is that when you have multiple horcruxes, when your body is destroyed, your spirit or whatever is left of you returns and takes form in another Horcruxe, or perhaps a Horcruxe gives him partial form, then leaving it a servants duty to regain his body as Wormtail did. So perhaps we are down to 5 horcruzes after all...am I missing a small detail that proves this wrong??? Or is it so far possible?

Here is my theory:

When Voldemort first came after Harry, he used the killing curse. As we are told in the books, Lily's love rebounded the curse, therefore reversing the power back upon Voldemort. If this is true, then Voldemort died (that body did as least). So then at that point he was down to six horcruxes. Obviously RAB destroyed one, so five. All the others have been identified, on of those including Voldemort. "But that means he is worth two horcruxes." What I am thinking, is that when you have multiple horcruxes, when your body is destroyed, your spirit or whatever is left of you returns and takes form in another Horcruxe, or perhaps a Horcruxe gives him partial form, then leaving it a servants duty to regain his body as Wormtail did. So perhaps we are down to 5 horcruzes after all...am I missing a small detail that proves this wrong??? Or is it so far possible?dumbledore said that the seventh and final piece is in Lv himself dumbledore is the most reliable source we have i have to disagree i think that avada kedavra kills the body and once the body is destroyed your soul goes to wherever (hell) but the other horcruxes tie it down because the piece in your body has to be the last to go.

but i understand what you were trying to say these are just my views.

The part of Voldemort's soul that was still in his own body at Godric's Hollow didn't die, although his body did; it was "anchored" to the world by the other Horcruxes. So he existed without a body for a long time. This is why he was living on the back of Quirrell's head for awhile, drinking unicorn blood, and feeding off of Nagini. That got him to the point of being the horrible baby-thing that Wormtail's toting around in Goblet. It's not until the end of that book that Wormtail makes the potion that gives Voldemort back his body--14 years after it was destroyed.

i think that the girl that voldemort tortured in his early years has the locket, cuz you notice that her initials match those of the note that harry found with dumbledore.

amy benson?

she is a muggle
how would she get it once again all of lord voldemorts horcruxes are very well hiden and very powerfully protected on 2/2 occaisions dumbldore himself almost died retrieving the horcruxes

how would a muggle with no magical abilities whatsoever get a hold of it when the most powerful wizard alive and probably ever to live almost died trying to get at two of the horcruxes

if there are 7 horcx then his soul was 8 parts

lv split his soule 7x so harry only

1 ring (found destroyed)
2 direry (destryed befor we know it is)
3 locket (found by rab ,where now?)
4 cup (unknow)
5 nagini (best gess by ** and harry,did lv have the time to make one after killng james?)

6 ????
7 ???? (the pice in his body now or he split his soule 8x )

#7 the piec in his body couldn't be kill only the bodey

tr ask slugo about sliting your soul 7 times this means he only has 6 plus the
pice in his bodey

or did i mis count

no 7 soul pieces in all not 7 horcruxes it is said that the last piece is in voldemort

The part of Voldemort's soul that was still in his own body at Godric's Hollow didn't die, although his body did; it was "anchored" to the world by the other Horcruxes. So he existed without a body for a long time. This is why he was living on the back of Quirrell's head for awhile, drinking unicorn blood, and feeding off of Nagini. That got him to the point of being the horrible baby-thing that Wormtail's toting around in Goblet. It's not until the end of that book that Wormtail makes the potion that gives Voldemort back his body--14 years after it was destroyed.

so the killing curse only removed Voldemorts body, it had not effect on anything other than his physical condition? support it with specifics if possible.

so the killing curse only removed Voldemorts body, it had not effect on anything other than his physical condition? support it with specifics if possible.
Here is your canon evidence:

"I was ripped from my body, I was less than spirit...An now, I was tested, and it appeared that one or more of my experiments had worked...for I had not been killed, though the curse should have done it...for I had no body, and every spell that might have helped me required the use of a wand..."
Further supported by Dumbledore:
"Well, it (the diary) worked as a Horcrux is supposed to work - in other words, the fragment of soul concealed inside it was kept safe and had undoubtedly played its part in preventing the death of its owner."

Originally Posted by Stickz90210
im not too sure what your getting at are you suggesting mr.weasly is evil or has ties to dark magic??
i think that they might have picked something up in DADA after them having a full 7 yrs training by a competent teacher

:lol: No, I wasn't suggesting Mr.Weasly is evil or has ties to dark magic, I was suggesting that in the corse of his work that he found one [like in a raid of another's house] or told about someone else finding one [and the thing just happens to think for itself] and probably whoever dealt with it without know or realizing [hopefully] what it was and that it needed to be destoryed and Confiscated it wound up in some ministry archive. And isn't interesting that when we meet Mr.Weasley we find out that he just happens to be in the Misuse of Muggle Artifacts Office, and then when he is promoted he ends up in Detection and Confiscation of Counterfeit Defensive Spells and Protective Objects. Both of the jobs have to do with objects interesting wouldn't you say?
Does that make more sence? or am I still kind of rambling? and what do you think?

I was suggesting that in the course of his work that he found one [like in a raid of another's house] or told about someone else finding one [and the thing just happens to think for itself] and probably whoever dealt with it without knowing or realizing [hopefully] what it was and that it needed to be destoryed and confiscated it wound up in some ministry archive.
Are you saying Arthur has a clue to the whereabouts of a horcrux? That one may be found in the Ministry in a room full of confiscated objects?

Hmmm, well it wouldn't be the diary (already destroyed), the ring (already destroyed), the locket (either at #12 Grimmauld Place, the Hog's Head, a pawn shop---or, confiscated by the Ministry when Mundungus was sent to Azkaban...but I think the latter is doubtful), or Nagini (not the kind of thing usually placed in an "evidence" room, not known to have been captured or killed)...So it would have to be the cup or the unknown object. The cup has the engraving of a badger, a give-away for anyone coming across it...so it probably wouldn't be considered a "dark" object (though any protective enchantments around it would likely be considered "dark" magic...).

That leaves the unknown object, and like the cup it may not be a "dark" object per se.

Arthur has no clue that Harry is hunting for specific objects (horcruxes) and Harry isn't likely to reveal that information to anyone beyond those who already know. So Arthur would have to mention some odd occurence in order to give the clue to Harry (ooo, Molly's going to blow a gasket if Arthur is "talking shop" at the wedding! :evil: ) that a horcrux might be found at the Ministry (in a room that must look remarkably like the "hiding" room of the Room of Requirement!).

I guess I would be more inclined to think that Arthur (or Bill, the Gringott's curse-breaker) would give information on detection of dark objects/spells--the part that Dumbledore didn't exactly give Harry any specifics on how to perform--than a hint that a horcrux had been found on his duty rounds.

I don't think that Dumbledore has told anyone but Harry about the horcruxes. On the same token, I don't think that the Dark Lord has told anyone about his horcruxes. The possible exceptions are Slughorn, whose memory was cleverly extracted by Harry and Snape whose potion mastery was vital to Dumbledore's life after he found the Ring. However, it is still unlikely that even those two know the full scope of the Dark Lord's horcruxes.

I don't think Arthur would have been trusted with that type of information, especially since Harry didn't know about it. Dumbledore told Harry everything he knew. Now Harry has to find out for himself. It's possible that Arthur could help him figure it out, but I don't think he'll have any information to give Harry.

I don't think that Dumbledore has told anyone but Harry about the horcruxes. On the same token, I don't think that the Dark Lord has told anyone about his horcruxes. The possible exceptions are Slughorn, whose memory was cleverly extracted by Harry and Snape whose potion mastery was vital to Dumbledore's life after he found the Ring. However, it is still unlikely that even those two know the full scope of the Dark Lord's horcruxes.I don't think Dumbledore ever told Snape about Horcruxes at all. I think he just had Snape tend his hand, treat him for exposure to an unknown Dark Object...just as Ron never told Madam Pomfrey that it was poison from a Dragon bite that he was suffering from, or Hermione--a Polyjuice flub, or the lady at St. Mungo's with the bite wound that smelled foul...she never divulged what had bit her...

I think Dumbledore just had Snape treat the wound--without explanation as to where/how/what had caused the damage.

It's like after Phoenix came out, there were a lot of fans insisting that Dumbledore trusted Snape enough to have revealed the whole prophecy to him. Yet in HBP, in chapter four, we are told firmly by Dumbledore that just he and Harry had full knowledge of the prophecy.

I don't think Arthur would have been trusted with that type of information, especially since Harry didn't know about it. Dumbledore told Harry everything he knew. Now Harry has to find out for himself. It's possible that Arthur could help him figure it out, but I don't think he'll have any information to give Harry.I also don't believe that Arthur has any knowledge of Horcruxes. Like the prophecy, this is something that Dumbledore wanted kept under wraps. The fewer who know, the safer everyone is---and the less chance of Voldemort finding out about what Harry is actually up to in the final book.

That being said, I think that Dumbledore has given Harry a lot of information, and other's too...Mad Eye Moody told Harry of one murder known to have been committed by Voldemort personally. If Harry can troll back through memories of others, he might be able to identify and then locate a Horcrux.

King, I personally agree that Snape doesn't know with the reasons being what you just wrote; I was merely pointing out the possibility before someone else wasted a post doing it.

That being said, I think that Dumbledore has given Harry a lot of information, and other's too...Mad Eye Moody told Harry of one murder known to have been committed by Voldemort personally. If Harry can troll back through memories of others, he might be able to identify and then locate a Horcrux.Ah yes, Dorcas Meadowes. I know this is one of your pet theories. Do we know where she was from? If she is important, she would be connected to the unknown artifact; and Moody did mention that she was killed by the Dark Lord personally. Yes, I'm really starting to like this theory.

However, we also know that the Dark Lord killed a family of goblins in Nottingham. Why would JKR have mentioned these two specific murders by the Dark Lord if they weren't significant? Perhaps they are related. I'm stretching out to Gringott's since we know that Goblins are important to the Wizard Bank. Perhaps it was some object that belonged to Dorcas, which she kept in a vault at Gringott's.

Okay, I'm sure I'm giving your theory great injustice, but I'm really starting to like the whole idea. JKR doesn't usually mention things as specific as the Dark Lord personally killing someone without having a purpose later.

:lol: No, I wasn't suggesting Mr.Weasly is evil or has ties to dark magic, I was suggesting that in the corse of his work that he found one [like in a raid of another's house] or told about someone else finding one [and the thing just happens to think for itself] and probably whoever dealt with it without know or realizing [hopefully] what it was and that it needed to be destoryed and Confiscated it wound up in some ministry archive. And isn't interesting that when we meet Mr.Weasley we find out that he just happens to be in the Misuse of Muggle Artifacts Office, and then when he is promoted he ends up in Detection and Confiscation of Counterfeit Defensive Spells and Protective Objects. Both of the jobs have to do with objects interesting wouldn't you say?
Does that make more sence? or am I still kind of rambling? and what do you think?
oh that makes perfect sense thanks for clearing that up we know that mr. weasle y has run into some dark or unfortunate things like the teapot and biting doorknobs and stuff but we havent seen about any dark arts thingsbut i'd say it is probable that he has a few times in the course of his work.

i also agree that dumbldore neverr told snape but i think that snape may jump to conclusions and find the correct one because dumbledore was surely doing something against the dark lords wishes and i assume snape would be interested in how lord voldemort returned and he may have some other evidence that we dont know about snape might find out by himself.

Seeing that the only info we have on Dorcas Meadows was that she was in the Order when she was killed, one of the other original members might have more info on her for Harry. Where did she work? was she an auror? the Department of mysteries? Whatever it is it will be a link for sure.
We know of 3 places Harry will visit at the beginning of #7. The Dursleys, the Burrow and Godrics Hollow. I believe Petunia will give Harry something that Lily gave to her in trust to give to Harry when he becomes of age. I don't neccessarily believe it will be one of the Horcruxes, but possibly a clue. As for the Burrow, there will probably be members of the original order there. If Petunia does give Harry something, one of the members of the order might know about it. Seeing that Moody showed Harry the picture, he would be a good candidiate for more info, or Lupin, because he has kind of taken Serius' place as mentor. This leaves Godrics Hollow. It really surprises me that Harry hasn't gone there in the 6 years he's know the truth about their deaths. This or their grave sites. Both of these places will be visited I'm sure. Thats 4 places. Will the clues for what and where the 4 Horcruxes are come from each of these locations? All 8 things will have to be linked somehow, figure out one and the rest will cascade down (smacks head ...OF COURSE!.makes perfect sense now!!) but which place or item is the first link in the chain?

I don't think Dumbledore ever told Snape about Horcruxes at all. I think he just had Snape tend his hand, treat him for exposure to an unknown Dark Object...

I think Dumbledore just had Snape treat the wound--without explanation as to where/how/what had caused the damage.
The interesting thing is both Snape and Slughorn assumed that Dumbledore's injury was caused by slowing reactions:

Spinners End HBP UK
The duel with the Dark Lord last month shook him. He has since sustained a serious injury because his reactions are slower than they once were.

Horace Slughorn HBP UK
'Well maybe you ought to think about retirement yourself,' said Slughorn bluntly. His pale gooseberry eyes had found Dumbledore's injured hand. 'Reactions not what they were, I see.'
'You're quite right,' said Dumbledore serenely, shaking back his sleeve to reveal the tips of those burned and blackened fingers...
'I am undoubtedly slower than I was.'

This strongly implies that Snape also jumped to this conclusion and Dumbledore encouraged him to believe that - a bit like the inhabitants of Hogsmeade and the Shrieking Shack being 'haunted'.

The interesting thing is both Snape and Slughorn assumed that Dumbledore's injury was caused by slowing reactions:I'm not so sure about this. Dumbledor was wearing the ring on his good hand, and Sluggy saw it, and recognized it. Sluggy knew the ring once belonged to Tom. Sluggy also knows the Dumbledor wants the real memory of Tom's asking about horcruxes. Sluggy's been in hiding since Voldemorts re birth, so I'm sure he knows that Tom did actually make a horcrux. I think that in that whole scene Sluggy was trying to play dumb.

The interesting thing is both Snape and Slughorn assumed that Dumbledore's injury was caused by slowing reactions:

The duel with the Dark Lord last month shook him. He has since sustained a serious injury because his reactions are slower than they once were.

This strongly implies that Snape also jumped to this conclusion and Dumbledore encouraged him to believe that - a bit like the inhabitants of Hogsmeade and the Shrieking Shack being 'haunted'.I had trouble finding the quote in Spinner's End, so I'd appreciate a page number if you could. However, from what I can tell just by this bit, I think this gives strong evidence that Snape didn't know about the horcruxes. Good find!

I had trouble finding the quote in Spinner's End, so I'd appreciate a page number if you could. In the American Edition, it's on p. 67 (Chapter 4).

In the American Edition, it's on p. 67 (Chapter 4).That's the bit about Slughorn. I was talking about Snape. No matter; I've found it on page 36 of the UK Adult Printing:

'I have played my part well,' said Snape...

--snip--

'...I am pleased to say, however, that Dumbledore is growing old. The duel with the Dark Lord last month shook him. He has since sustained a serious injury because his reactions are slower than they once were...'

And then there are the mentions of crowns/headwear...

The White King took of his crown and through it at Harry's feet.
Weasley is our King
Crown Shaped badges
Goblin wrought and indestructible battle helmet
Nimbus {2000}: {Halo} A radiant light that appears usually in the form of a circle or halo about or over the head in the representation of a god, demigod, saint, or sacred person such as a king or an emperor.
Ugly wreath of thistles around the brim of McGonagall's hat.

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If Auntie Muriel's tiara is a Horcrux how did LV get his hands on it to make it one...through the murders of Gideon and Fabien perhaps?

But then why leave it in Auntie's possession?

And where does Auntie keep it safe? Gringott's?
Thanks, I forgot about that side of it. The crown is important because TR fasioned himself as Pureblood Royalty and a crown/tiara is a symbol of royalty.
We did not just pull it out of thin air. It has been on the list of possible horocruxes for a long time adnd we have not been able to give any good reasons that it would not be one, that can not be effectively countered.

Seeing that the only info we have on Dorcas Meadows was that she was in the Order when she was killed, one of the other original members might have more info on her for Harry. Where did she work? was she an auror? the Department of mysteries? Whatever it is it will be a link for sure.
We know of 3 places Harry will visit at the beginning of #7. The Dursleys, the Burrow and Godrics Hollow. I believe Petunia will give Harry something that Lily gave to her in trust to give to Harry when he becomes of age. I don't neccessarily believe it will be one of the Horcruxes, but possibly a clue. As for the Burrow, there will probably be members of the original order there. If Petunia does give Harry something, one of the members of the order might know about it. Seeing that Moody showed Harry the picture, he would be a good candidiate for more info, or Lupin, because he has kind of taken Serius' place as mentor. This leaves Godrics Hollow. It really surprises me that Harry hasn't gone there in the 6 years he's know the truth about their deaths. This or their grave sites. Both of these places will be visited I'm sure. Thats 4 places. Will the clues for what and where the 4 Horcruxes are come from each of these locations? All 8 things will have to be linked somehow, figure out one and the rest will cascade down (smacks head ...OF COURSE!.makes perfect sense now!!) but which place or item is the first link in the chain?
You reminded me that there are Lilies by the door at the Dursleys. They probobly have something to do with the protection that ** put on the house. Maybe they will open some insight into how the whole blood sacrifice spell works?

I'm not so sure about this. Dumbledor was wearing the ring on his good hand, and Sluggy saw it, and recognized it. Sluggy knew the ring once belonged to Tom. Sluggy also knows the Dumbledor wants the real memory of Tom's asking about horcruxes. Sluggy's been in hiding since Voldemorts re birth, so I'm sure he knows that Tom did actually make a horcrux. I think that in that whole scene Sluggy was trying to play dumb.

I cut that part of the quote out (where the ellipsis in post #875 is):

Horace Slughorn HBP UK pg 68-69
'You're quite right,' said Dumbledore serenely, shaking back his sleeve to reveal those burned and blackened fingers; the sight of them made the back of Harry's neck prickle unpleasantly. 'I am undoubtedly slower than I was. But on the other hand ...'
{age has its compensations} ...Harry noticed a ring on his uninjured hand that he had never seen Dumbledore wear before... Slughorn's eyes lingered for a moment on the ring, too, and Harry saw a tiny frown momentarily crease his wide forehead.
So Slughorn hadn't noticed the ring (the clue to Dumbledore knowing about Voldemort's Horcruxes) until after he had commented on Dumbledore's reactions being slower.

'You're quite right,' said Dumbledore serenely, shaking back his sleeve to reveal the tips of those burned and blackened fingers; the sight of them made the back of Harry's neck prickle unpleasantly. 'I am undoubtedly slower than I was. But on the other hand...'

...Harry noticed a ring on his uninjured hand that he had never seen Dumbledore wear before...Slughorn's eyes lingered for a moment on the ring, too, and Harry saw a tiny frown momentarily crease his wide forehead.
So Slughorn hadn't noticed the ring (the clue to Dumbledore knowing about Voldemort's Horcruxes) until after he had commented on Dumbledore's reactions being slower.Are you suggesting that Slughorn may have more information? It does seem as if Slughorn recognised the ring. If he also was embarassed to give Dumbledore the horcruxes memory, he may have figured what Dumbledore was up to. So why was he so hesitant to help Dumbledore? I figure it's because he didn't want to believe what added up to be true. I don't think that he will be useful in the next book.

Are you suggesting that Slughorn may have more information? It does seem as if Slughorn recognised the ring. If he also was embarassed to give Dumbledore the horcruxes memory, he may have figured what Dumbledore was up to. So why was he so hesitant to help Dumbledore? I figure it's because he didn't want to believe what added up to be true. I don't think that he will be useful in the next book.
I think it was because he did figure it out. Why else would he have been in hiding since Voldies rebirth. Voldie would figure that Sluggy figured it out too seeing that he did come back. I have a feeling that Sluggy could have givin Tom more info on making them (imperioused maybe) than we know about. If Sluggy knows how to make one, chances are he might know how to destroy one too............
Where he hid one???? probably not, so this is more relevant to the other horcrux threads :blush:

Possibilities
#1- The Black house, Knockturn Alley, some crook's possesion, or with Mundungus in Azkaban. (The locket. First in the black house, then mundungus stripped the place, and know he's in azkaban)
#2- In the London orphanedge. He hated the place, but he did cause problems and scared the other children there. Maybe the rafters?
#3- The Riddle House. Somewhere in Little Hangleton.
#4- The Prime Minister's Office. No idea why.
#5- Hogwarts (Special Award for Services to the School)

Thanks, I forgot about that side of it. The crown is important because TR fasioned himself as Pureblood Royalty and a crown/tiara is a symbol of royalty.
We did not just pull it out of thin air. It has been on the list of possible horocruxes for a long time adnd we have not been able to give any good reasons that it would not be one, that can not be effectively countered.
i didnt think anyone pulled it out of thin air i was just saying that i hadnt seen the proof.

Possibilities
#1- The Black house, Knockturn Alley, some crook's possesion, or with Mundungus in Azkaban. (The locket. First in the black house, then mundungus stripped the place, and know he's in azkaban)
#2- In the London orphanedge. He hated the place, but he did cause problems and scared the other children there. Maybe the rafters?
#3- The Riddle House. Somewhere in Little Hangleton.
#4- The Prime Minister's Office. No idea why.
#5- Hogwarts (Special Award for Services to the School)
these are all of the obvious ones except for the prime ministers office i dont know where you get that.
i think it would be more likely in egypt or albania or nottingham as we have discussed before.

Are you saying Arthur has a clue to the whereabouts of a horcrux? That one may be found in the Ministry in a room full of confiscated objects?


Yes! That is exactly what I'm saying, as a possibity.

Hmmm, well it wouldn't be the diary (already destroyed), the ring (already destroyed), the locket (either at #12 Grimmauld Place, the Hog's Head, a pawn shop---or, confiscated by the Ministry when Mundungus was sent to Azkaban...but I think the latter is doubtful), or Nagini (not the kind of thing usually placed in an "evidence" room, not known to have been captured or killed)...So it would have to be the cup or the unknown object. The cup has the engraving of a badger, a give-away for anyone coming across it...so it probably wouldn't be considered a "dark" object (though any protective enchantments around it would likely be considered "dark" magic...).

That leaves the unknown object, and like the cup it may not be a "dark" object per se.

Arthur has no clue that Harry is hunting for specific objects (horcruxes) and Harry isn't likely to reveal that information to anyone beyond those who already know. So Arthur would have to mention some odd occurence in order to give the clue to Harry (ooo, Molly's going to blow a gasket if Arthur is "talking shop" at the wedding! :evil: ) that a horcrux might be found at the Ministry (in a room that must look remarkably like the "hiding" room of the Room of Requirement!).

I guess I would be more inclined to think that Arthur (or Bill, the Gringott's curse-breaker) would give information on detection of dark objects/spells--the part that Dumbledore didn't exactly give Harry any specifics on how to perform--than a hint that a horcrux had been found on his duty rounds



I'd have to agree.:cool:

The Prime Ministers office because Emmeline Vance was killed near there, and Herbert Chorley, Jr. Minister, was turned into a quacking duck by someone doing a bad I.C. on him, presumably near there too. And the P.M. has an axminster rug on his office floor, which Barty Crouch Sr. remembers as a type of magic carpet.

I have a take home exam to do, and a whole course to learn before I can do it - so I thought I'd jump on the forums to discuss Horcri. Here's that quote about Dumbledore on vacation

Harry had no idea where Dumbledore went during summer holidays. He amused himself for a moment, picturing Dumbledore, with his long silver beard, full-length wizard's robes, and pointed hat, stretched out on a beach somewhere, rubbing suntan lotion onto his long crooked nose.

If Harry retraces Dumbledore's steps at all, and Dumbledore travelled far & wide visiting places of importance to Voldemort, how can one MISS Albania, where Voldie (or Vlad - as he's known there) fled several times?

i think this is a great idea but how would the ministry get a hold of such items and why would they keep them they would have no way of knowing that it is the dark lords and no one but voldemort, dumbledore, harry, slughorn, and R.A.B., know of the horcruxes.

and ive said this several times before but how would they get a horcrux when dumbledore the most powerful wizard of his age almost died getting one and died getting the other. voldemort has them well hiden and very well protected
plus it would get kind of annoying that every time harry finds the location of a horcrux someone beat him to it for him and the readers.

Ah yes, Dorcas Meadowes. I know this is one of your (Kingwidgit's) pet theories. Do we know where she was from? If she is important, she would be connected to the unknown artifact; and Moody did mention that she was killed by the Dark Lord personally. Yes, I'm really starting to like this theory.
I just read an (old) interview with JKR where she says she made OOP so long because she had to build in Book 6 & 7 clues. So that whole Moody incident with photo does seem quite "exposition-ish".

The Prime Ministers office because Emmeline Vance was killed near there, and Herbert Chorley, Jr. Minister, was turned into a quacking duck by someone doing a bad I.C. on him, presumably near there too. And the P.M. has an axminster rug on his office floor, which Barty Crouch Sr. remembers as a type of magic carpet.
ok so thats where the prime ministers office came in but i think that by that time voldemort was done making horcruxes he would have probably made the 6th one somewhere in his exile or after he regained his body. im going to knock that off the list in my mind but thats just me.

Or if Voldie was one short when he went to "kill" Harry, and also messed up making the 6th in the graveyard, and DIDN'T make Nagini one from Frank Bryce, then Voldie needs a "significant" murder to make Horcrux #6. So by the END of book 6, when ** tells Harry he needs to go after 4, THEN that is correct. Fortuitously.

I am typing d u m b l e d o r e. Is it turning into Dumbledore ? ** ? ** ? somehow? Aha it is! Dee Dee is turning into star star - but why? why?

Are you suggesting that Slughorn may have more information? It does seem as if Slughorn recognised the ring. If he also was embarassed to give Dumbledore the horcruxes memory, he may have figured what Dumbledore was up to.
I'm suggesting that Slughorn had an inkling that Tom Riddle had made Horcruxes before Dumbledore and Harry's visit. I am also saying that the first time he saw Dumbledore's hand he did not conclude that Dumbledore had been out destroying Voldemort's Horcruxes but that he had sustained the injury some other way due to slowing reactions. However, immediately afterwards; when Slughorn saw the ring that he recognised as once belonging to Tom, he put two and two together and realised Dumbledore also thought Voldemort had made Horcruxes and tried to destroy one.

So why was he so hesitant to help Dumbledore? I figure it's because he didn't want to believe what added up to be true. I don't think that he will be useful in the next book.
This is where the playing dumb part comes in. Up until Harry managed to persuade Slughorn to give him the undoctored memory of Riddle wanting to know about Horcruxes, Slughorn was the only person besides Voldemort who knew he wanted to make 6 Horcruxes. What Slughorn knows he should have done at the time was tell Dumbledore or Headmaster Dippet that Riddle had been discussing Horcruxes with him. That way Voldemort's rise to power and his invincibility might have been thwarted much earlier. I think it is the guilt of doing nothing and feeling partly responsible for what Riddle became that made Slughorn continue to hide his knowledge about Voldemort.

I don't think Slughorn is a dead loss as far as finding Horcruxes go, he might be able to give some clues as to how to destroy a Horcrux at any rate - particularly if one of them requires a potion to destroy it.

I am typing d u m b l e d o r e. Is it turning into Dumbledore ? ** ? ** ? somehow? Aha it is! Dee Dee is turning into star star - but why? why?
It violates the recent acronym warning (http://www.cosforums.com/announcement.php?f=2)...

If Sluggy knows how to make one, chances are he might know how to destroy one too...That's a very good point, and I take back what I said about him not being useful. He may come in handy afterall.

I'm suggesting that Slughorn had an inkling that Tom Riddle had made Horcruxes before Dumbledore and Harry's visit. I am also saying that the first time he saw Dumbledore's hand he did not conclude that Dumbledore had been out destroying Voldemort's Horcruxes but that he had sustained the injury some other way due to slowing reactions. However, immediately afterwards; when Slughorn saw the ring that he recognised as once belonging to Tom, he put two and two together and realised Dumbledore also thought Voldemort had made Horcruxes and tried to destroy one.Hmm, I agree with what you say. I just wanted further explanation for the good of the debate. I wonder if Slughorn may think the Dark Lord succeeded in making multiple horcruxes as he mentioned.

I think it is the guilt of doing nothing and feeling partly responsible for what Riddle became that made Slughorn continue to hide his knowledge about Voldemort.Probably so. I think that is quite obvious from how embarassed he was about the whole matter.

I don't think Slughorn is a dead loss as far as finding Horcruxes go, he might be able to give some clues as to how to destroy a Horcrux at any rate - particularly if one of them requires a potion to destroy it.See first comment.

i think this is a great idea but how would the ministry get a hold of such items and why would they keep them they would have no way of knowing that it is the dark lords and no one but voldemort, dumbledore, harry, slughorn, and R.A.B., know of the horcruxes.How would the Ministy get ahold of said items...by confiscation of course...Arthur did work in the Misuse of Muggle Artifacts for years. "But the things our lot have taken to enchanting, you wouldn't believe..."
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"It's all to do with bewitching things that are Muggle-made, you know, in case they end up back in a Muggle shop or house. Like, last year, some old witch died and her tea set was sold to an antiques shop. This muggle woman bought it, took it home, and tried to serve her friends tea in it. It was a nightmare, Dad was working overtime for weeks.All of those raids may have paid off in an unprotected Horcrux...possible? Yes. Probable? Erm....iffy, at best.
and ive said this several times before but how would they get a horcrux when dumbledore the most powerful wizard of his age almost died getting one and died getting the other. voldemort has them well hiden and very well protected
plus it would get kind of annoying that every time harry finds the location of a horcrux someone beat him to it for him and the readers.The diary Horcrux wasn't well protected at all. Voldemort had a specific purpose for it, beyond being a Horcrux. He may have had another Horcrux with like intentions, and like protections as well.

From what we know so far , the diary really didn't have any protections on it, because it was supposed to be used. The ring (as far as we know)had the protection on the item and the locket had the protections on the location. Is there a pattern starting here? When Harry was standing outside the cave, he got the shivers up his neck. I can't remember where else has he been when that happened? With Harry knowing more than he realizes, could this be the clue JKR was talking about?

From what we know so far , the diary really didn't have any protections on it, because it was supposed to be used. The ring (as far as we know)had the protection on the item and the locket had the protections on the location. Is there a pattern starting here? When Harry was standing outside the cave, he got the shivers up his neck. I can't remember where else has he been when that happened? With Harry knowing more than he realizes, could this be the clue JKR was talking about?
Harry got the "shivers" when he stepped into Ollivander's the first time.

Harry got the "shivers" when he stepped into Ollivander's the first time.
:) flash backs! :)
I seem to think there was more than one occation this happened.
The problem? ........I've been reading theories for so long I'm going to have to re read all the books again to see what exactly is fact and what is theory!!! I like the idea of a wand being a horcrux, but its still a toss up between your Rowena's wand is in Ollivanders window, and Rastabans Voldemorts wand theory!!

...its still a toss up between your Rowena's wand is in Ollivanders window, and Rastabans Voldemorts wand theory!Hooray, I'm in a toss up!

The diary Horcrux wasn't well protected at all. Voldemort had a specific purpose for it, beyond being a Horcrux. He may have had another Horcrux with like intentions, and like protections as well.What other sort of object could we guess had like intentions? It would have to be used, but the only other object I can specifically think that has a use is the necklace. That would probably be somewhere in Dumbledore's office, fully inspected by him for the liklihood of being an horcrux. I realise that this is starting to sound like it belongs in the other thread, so I'll move on.

But the Diary brings up some good points. It is quite possible that there is an horcrux inside of Hogwarts just looking at the fact that Dumbledore couldn't pin point it at random as a dark object, just like he couldn't pin point the Diary as a dark object. However, there is more to suggest that one couldn't be inside Hogwarts, because Dumbledore surely would have inspected every corner.

How would the Ministy get ahold of said items...by confiscation of course...Arthur did work in the Misuse of Muggle Artifacts for years. "But the things our lot have taken to enchanting, you wouldn't believe..."
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"It's all to do with bewitching things that are Muggle-made, you know, in case they end up back in a Muggle shop or house. Like, last year, some old witch died and her tea set was sold to an antiques shop. This muggle woman bought it, took it home, and tried to serve her friends tea in it. It was a nightmare, Dad was working overtime for weeks.All of those raids may have paid off in an unprotected Horcrux...possible? Yes. Probable? Erm....iffy, at best.
The diary Horcrux wasn't well protected at all. Voldemort had a specific purpose for it, beyond being a Horcrux. He may have had another Horcrux with like intentions, and like protections as well.

yes confiscation might work but who would have it??? the necklace was hiden away and as far as we know R.A.B., voldemort, slughorn, possibly snape or another death eater, and dumbledore/harry are the only ones who know of horcruxes who would have one and why would they have it lucius had the diary for a while because that was intended as a back up and weapon and was to be inserted into hogwarts soon but voldemort died i dont think that voldemort had any other horcruxes that were intended to be found or used and it is very likly that those were hiden away as the locket was. and even if a ministry wizard came across such an item how would they know it to be a dark object when we saw the necklace if that was it in grimmauld place the only distinguishing thing about it was that it couldnt be opened.

i say as you did possible but not plaussible. (i love mythbusters)

The ring (as far as we know) had the protection on the item and the locket had the protections on the location.
The ring seems to have had both. "The ring, Harry. Marvolo's ring. And a terrible curse there was upon it too." <snip>
"He hid it, protected by many powerful enchantments, in the shack where his ancestors had once lived..."Was there a curse on the locket that did the same to Regulus as the ring did to Dumbledore? Albus says he would have died from the curse on the ring if Severus hadn't helped him...Did something similar happen to Regulus when he took the Slytherin locket? (We don't really know...)

Does Harry now know what type of magic to look for--from just watching Albus do his thing?I seem to think there was more than one occasion this happened. If so, it would be great to find all the passages related to Harry having odd shivers (or maybe shivers of any kind)...

If so, it would be great to find all the passages related to Harry having odd shivers (or maybe shivers of any kind)...
There's this one:

Horace Slughorn HBP UK pg 68
'You're quite right,' said Dumbledore serenely, shaking back his sleeve to reveal those burned and blackened fingers; the sight of them made the back of Harry's neck prickle unpleasantly.

There's this one:A good find, but a bit ambiguous. Does take place in the presence of a horcrux object (though we think it is no longer a horcrux at that point); is also connected to the magic placed on the ring by Tommymort which blackened Albus's hand. Possible indicator at this point. (There's also the shivering near the seaside cave, though the horcrux object is no longer present at that time...)

I don't know if the shivering is really a clue, but something has to help Harry find the horcruxes, at least two of which are surely protected by Voldymagic...(cup and unknown).

Does Harry now know what type of magic to look for--from just watching Albus do his thing?If so, it would be great to find all the passages related to Harry having odd shivers (or maybe shivers of any kind)...I think that Dumbledore's set an example that Harry will follow in locating Horcruxes---it's the traces of magical concealment performed by Voldemort that Dumbledore was actually keying in on. Harry seemed to be deeply impressed, I think it will be a lesson that sticks with him.

I believe that there was the time in Ollivander's wand shop that Harry felt magic in the air, tingles on his neck.

In the library at Christmas time, in the Restricted section, is another time I believe.

I'm not sure, but I thought in "Dudley Demented--Order of the Phoenix" as Harry is strolling the street he feels an odd tingle...but it's been so long since I've read the book, I can't be sure.

Perhaps at the beginning of book 7, we will see Harry working at differentiating everyone's 'magical signature' just by a magical act's aura, and then applying that skill to things where he knows Voldemort's trace resides so that he can pick it out from the crowd.

e been wondering how harry would find the locations... egypt and albania and all the foreign countries make sense but i doubt that harry would think of all of them and their connections to magic hermione might make the connection on some but that still doesnt pin point a specific place i see only 2 ways to find the places guessing about places that have some magical appeal to the dark lord or possibly those funny spindly instruments in dumbledores office that we occasionally hear about or see him use.

and what if harry finds a place somewhat like the cave that seems to be normal but he has to make some sacrafice to get in. how would he know what he has to give and what kinds of traces does magic leave??? i guess the prickling on the neck could be it but that sounds oddly like the force.

and WOW!!! im the 1st one to make a post on here in over 24 hours!!!

Perhaps at the beginning of book 7, we will see Harry working at differentiating everyone's 'magical signature' just by a magical act's aura, and then applying that skill to things where he knows Voldemort's trace resides so that he can pick it out from the crowd.

Feel the force Luke!

I believe that there was the time in Ollivander's wand shop that Harry felt magic in the air, tingles on his neck.

In the library at Christmas time, in the Restricted section, is another time I believe.

When he picked up this book?????

When he picked up this book?????No, I just re-read that part. It was after Harry stepped over the rope into the restricted section.One book had a dark stain on it that looked horribly like blood. The hair on the back of his neck prickled. Maybe he was imagining it, maybe not, but he thought a faint whispering was coming from the books, as though they knew someone was there who shouldn't be.

The Quidditch Cup.

Someone suggested to me that one fo the Horcrux's could be Harry Potter himself. They suggested that when Voldemort tried to kill Harry he accidently made another Horcrux. What do you think?

Someone suggested to me that one fo the Horcrux's could be Harry Potter himself. They suggested that when Voldemort tried to kill Harry he accidently made another Horcrux. What do you think?
There is a thread specifically dedicated to this possibility:

Harry (or his scar) a Horcrux? v.4 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=79515).

This thread is not the place for if Harry is one, nor is it for Identifying WHAT the Horcruxes could be. This thread is for WHERE the Horcruxes may be hidden. Thank you.

i think that the prickling on his neck is like his scar used to be a sort of warning sign or a way for JKR to tell us that harry is excited or nervous it happens too many times for it to be a horcrux detection thing.

i know may people have those same feelings but it is usually because your excited or anxious or scared or you feel like you re being watched or you are doing something you know has dire consequences or is against the rules.

it could be the way that magic leaves traces or another sort of danger alarm as the scar used to be when voldemort wasnt using occlumency. but im betting on it being a way of showing us how nervous or excited or..... harry is.

the places where they will be hidden, has got something to do with the past of tom Riddle, so definately Hogwarts, the orphanage and alos the riddle mansion, seeing he killed his father there and this was someting most importatn to him. then there the one he carries with him ofcourse (well two if you count nagini), the one he gave Lucius.
And that about sums it up i think. Did I exceeed the number of horcruses here or not, not quite sure, I think I did though

What about the Mirror of Erised?

Not as a horocrux, but as THE way of finding them.

If it shows that which a person most desires, and Harry most desires to BE AT THE LOCATION OF A HOROCRUX, would he not get to see himself at that location? Then, from the visual clues and his 'memories' of Riddle's life, figure out where they might be?

Given the symmetry of the books, book 1 and 7 could feature the mirror. Given the tendency for reversals, could the final task (the mirror) in book 1 become the first task in book 7?

Given that Rowling hasn't that much room in Book 7 to cover visting too many new locations & has said she is introducing no new major characters.

My theory is that we actually have seen the remaining Horcruxes and (possibly) locations already, and just don't realise it.

The obvious example is the locket that can't be opened, mentioned in book5, when they were cleaning Sirus's house.

For example I believe one could be the tiara in the Room of Requirement (mentioned in book6 when harry tries to hide his potions book).
Where better to hide a Horcrux than under Dumbledore's nose,
it seems fitting of Voldemorts arrogance to do this,and also where it wouldn't be discovered amongst a room full of seemingly worthless objects? Plus Dumbledore doesn't seem aware of the significance of the room (see his remark re room of chamberpots)

Since Dumbledore has already stated that Voldemort has an undeniable close connection with Hogwarts,and that its the closest thing he had to a home, it seems reasonable he would want a Horcrux at that location.

Another possibilty at Hogwarts is the trophy Tom Riddle earned for services to the school, when he allegedly caught Hagrid opening Chamber of Secrets and the death of moaning myrtle.
The reason I also suspect this is that Malfoy states in Book1, when he tries to frame Harry into getting caught by Filch, that the trophy room is always unlocked. How could he know this when he has only started attending the school?

What about the Mirror of Erised?

Not as a horocrux, but as THE way of finding them.

If it shows that which a person most desires, and Harry most desires to BE AT THE LOCATION OF A HOROCRUX, would he not get to see himself at that location? Then, from the visual clues and his 'memories' of Riddle's life, figure out where they might be?

Given the symmetry of the books, book 1 and 7 could feature the mirror. Given the tendency for reversals, could the final task (the mirror) in book 1 become the first task in book 7?
interesting but no.... harry cant change his deepest desire at will and JKR said that if he were to now look into the mirror he would see voldemort finished because otherwise he will never be able to rest.

the places where they will be hidden, has got something to do with the past of tom Riddle, so definately Hogwarts, the orphanage and alos the riddle mansion, seeing he killed his father there and this was someting most importatn to him. then there the one he carries with him ofcourse (well two if you count nagini), the one he gave Lucius.
And that about sums it up i think. Did I exceeed the number of horcruses here or not, not quite sure, I think I did though
i admit that those are possible ones and are well discussed but nothing is for sure and im not sure about the orphanage the dark lord always hated it it was a part of his past but still it is possible and the riddle house he only visited twice when he murdered his father and grandparents and then with wormtail it didnt really have anything really special to him it represented his muggle heritage which he also hates and despises.

I don't think Voldemort would put a horcrux right under Dumbledore's nose. Especially when dumbledore is keeping a close eye on him. Voldemort does put the horcruxs in segnificant spots so here are some

House of Gaunt=last remaining home of salizar slytherin and home of his mother--ring
Orfanage(it could be that the cave symbolizes the orphanage)=place where tom spent most of his childhood--locket?
Riddle House=where his father lived (he may not have used this place because he hated his father)-?
Hogwarts=where he recieved most of his education (he may not have used this place because he was right under dumbledores nose)-?
Graveyard=Where he regained human form (he may have already made all seven by now)-?
Borgin and Burkes-where he worked after leaving Hogwarts...could a horcrux be one of the many items in this shop?-???
Hepzibah's house-where he found hufflepuff's cup and slytherin's locket-?
With him at all times-so he can keep a close eye on it-Nagai

Those are just a few places i am sure there is more
Austinein

well the thing about hogwarts and right under dumbledores nose he thinks that no one but himself knows of his horcruxes so he could have placed one or made one while he was there (voldemorts hand twitches in his pocket during the meeting)

im not going to go on about that because it has been discussed before an there might be arguements but im just saying that hogwarts being under dumbledores nose doesnt eliminate hogwarts.

I don't mind the Mirror as a way of FINDING a horcrux. Ingenious. It worked for the Sorcerer's Stone after all.

it could work but JKR said that harrys deepest desire is to see voldemort finished because otherwise harry can never rest.

it could show where the horcruxes are but im not sure i dont think his deepest desire can change that often it changed from wanting his family to seeing voldemort finished because harry wants to lead a normal life and have a real family more than anything else but with voldemort tailing him and death eaters shooting killing curses from all directions that wont be possible until voldemort is finished and the death eaters rounded up.

Good point, but i don't think Voldemort was so stuck up at age seventeen to not consider Dumbeldore might find the horcrux and besides Slughorn is on to him at this point. Tom might even think that Slughorn told Dumbledore what he heard.

Where is the mirror anyways and does anyone other than dumbledore know? It might still be in the third floor corridor but i doubt it. that room is never specifically off-lines in any of the other books.

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Another possibilty at Hogwarts is the trophy Tom Riddle earned for services to the school, when he allegedly caught Hagrid opening Chamber of Secrets and the death of moaning myrtle.
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I think voldemort would use more protection than to just stick a horcrux in some trophy room that is always unlocked.

Borgin and Burkes-where he worked after leaving Hogwarts...could a horcrux be one of the many items in this shop?-???


Austinein

I doubt Voldemort would just leave a seventh of his soul in a shop because it could be easily stolen or bought, as a matter of fact... And judging on how much protection was on the locket, I'd say all his horcruxes would have to be really well protected, which can't really be done in a shop...

As for his father's house, I doubt there would be one there either because in GoF, Frank Bryce enters the house unarmed, and so do kids now and then, if a Horcrux was really hidden in the house, I bet Voldemort would have secured the doors so that common muggles couldn't get in there.

If Dumbledore himself got injured trying to recover a Horcrux (the ring from the house of Gaunt) I doubt that the other Horcruxes would just be lying in stores or wherever anybody could find them...

There may not have been a Horcrux in the Riddle House on the night Frank Bryce went there (he was not yet dead, tho' I don't believe he's a horcrux murder - too plebian), but might be now, ie Nagini (tho' I don't believe she's a horcrux). If you see what I mean.

Yeah Voldemort might have placed his seventh horcrux in his father's old house after being reborn from the graveyard... Because I doubt he would have had enough strenght before that, when he killed Frank Bryce, to split his soul again, and Bryce's death wouldn't have been important enough either, like you said...

But then again, Harry knows about the house because he's been there in his dream... Maybe when Voldemort finally realized Harry had access to his mind at the end of OotP, he probably would have removed the Horcrux from the Riddle house for the simple fact that Harry could just apparate there and find it really easily, couldn't he? (well easily, that's probably an understatement..)

As I said before, It is not necessary that Harry find the Horcruxes. Valdermart is already crippled by the loss of two. He can never meet Harry at his fullest power. Harry possesses a power that Valdemort can never have. Harry's blood not withstanding. If anything, that gives Harry even greater power. Harry also knows that there exists an unbeatable power - if he can attain it.

As I said before, It is not necessary that Harry find the Horcruxes. Valdermart is already crippled by the loss of two. He can never meet Harry at his fullest power. Harry possesses a power that Valdemort can never have. Harry's blood not withstanding. If anything, that gives Harry even greater power. Harry also knows that there exists an unbeatable power - if he can attain it.

well, he still needs to find them so he can fully destroy voldemort, cause if he dosnt then voldemort could come back again.

yeah, if Harry doesn't destroy all the Horcruxes, parts of Voldemort will still be scattered accross Great Britain and he could still come back to power, so the prophecy won't be fulfilled until Harry destroys all the Horcruxes (Voldemort's body being one of them) or until Harry's killed by Voldemort, of course...

I doubt there is any more horcruxes in Little Haggleton. I would guess that there is only one horcrux in an area besides Voldemort and Naigi. So one in Little Haggleton (house of Gaunt), one at Hogwarts?, one with Lucius, one at the cave+orphanage, and the two with Voldemort. that equals six that leaves one (or two if there isn't one at hogwarts).

I doubt Voldemort would just leave a seventh of his soul in a shop because it could be easily stolen or bought, as a matter of fact... And judging on how much protection was on the locket, I'd say all his horcruxes would have to be really well protected, which can't really be done in a shop...

As for his father's house, I doubt there would be one there either because in GoF, Frank Bryce enters the house unarmed, and so do kids now and then, if a Horcrux was really hidden in the house, I bet Voldemort would have secured the doors so that common muggles couldn't get in there.

If Dumbledore himself got injured trying to recover a Horcrux (the ring from the house of Gaunt) I doubt that the other Horcruxes would just be lying in stores or wherever anybody could find them...

Exactly. Borgin and Burke specialize in rare, semi-shady and shady artefacts with unusual powers. These are wizards who would detect traces of magical hiding. Far too risky.

I also think that Voldemort might have already stored one important object in the shop: the Vanishing Cabinet, Voldemort's back-entrance into Hogwarts. He might have threatened his former employers not to sell the thing. He wouldn't mind them knowing about an artefact like that. But he'd never risk them finding out about his Horcruxes. (This is one of my pet theories, mainly because I hope that Draco, being far cleverer than Voldy suspected, inadvertently messed up, first repairing the thing, then blabbing it all out in front of Dumbledore and Harry.)

I also think that the Riddle house is an improbable hiding place, because Voldemort wouldn't place two Horcruxes so closely together, especially not if the personal significance of the places are somewhat related: the Gaunt hovel and the Riddle house are both associated with his parentage. And we can bet anything, canon proof or not, that Dumbledore has already thoroughly checked the Riddle manor.

1) Diary Found and destroyed.

2) Ring Found and distroyed.

3) Locket Found by RAB/ Dumbledore, moved and possably distroyed. Who knows where it could be.

4) Cup Who knows where it could be. No idea.

5) Snake Possably

6) Something of Gryffindor's/Ravenclaw's


Somehow I think that the Horcrux of Gryffindor/Revenclaw is Gryffindor's Sward. I bet that Voldmort was able to get his hands on it somehow while he was at Hogwarts. I dont think that Harry/ Harry's Scare figures into the whole Horcrux thing. Just becase Voldmort was attempting to kill Harry with an unforgivable curse when he inadvertanly distroyed his own body. If Harry was a horcux why would Voldmort try to kill him? Also on a side not I think that Harry will find that he has to return to Hogwarts in Book 7 to not only find information about the remaining horcruxs but he will find that they are hidden somewhere in Hogwarts. He will have to search the school for them. After all the full title of book 7 will be Harry Potter and the [Something] Year Seven at Hogwarts.

Diary
Ring
Locket
Cup
Snake
Something of Gryffindor's/Ravenclaw's (Ravenclaw object being the favourite)


Somehow I think that the Horcrux of Gryffindor is Gryffindor's Sword.
If you also have Gryffindor's sword, then you end up with 7 Horcruxes. Voldemort only made 6 Horcruxes. Voldemort wanted his SOUL in 7 PIECES. There are 6 PIECES of soul that were placed in objects. Voldemort gets to keep the 7th PIECE of his soul in his current body.

The last Horcrux is EITHER one OR the other. Either it is Ravenclaw's OR Gryffindor's relic - but NOT both.

Somehow I think that the Horcrux of Gryffindor is Gryffindor's Sward. I bet that Voldmort was able to get his hands on it somehow while he was at Hogwarts. I dont think that Harry/ Harry's Scare figures into the whole Horcrux thing. Just becase Voldmort was attempting to kill Harry with an unforgivable curse when he inadvertanly distroyed his own body. If Harry was a horcux why would Voldmort try to kill him?.

Voldemort could have gotten to Hogwarts Since Harry's second year but i don't think so. But before Harry's second year it is unlikely that another person would pull it out of the hat and stick it back in (if it could be stuck in). Also It would be near impossible to have Voldy sneak into Dumbledore's office and put a peice of his soul on the sword then leave it in Dumbledore's office completely unprotected.

Also If Voldemort killed Harry w/ a horcrux inside of him that would kill Harry and a horcux not actually himself. Besides he knows only Harry can defeat him so he definatly wouldn't mind killing his last chance to die and a piece of his soul.

I am not positve that there isn't a horcrux at hogwarts but wasn't the diary supposed to get to hogwarts eventually? Wasn't it Lucius's job to get the diary to Hogwarts when Voldemort told him to? Why would he want two horcruxes at Hogwarts? Also why would he be so intent on getting another horcrux to hogwarts? In case one failed? Is Voldemort waiting to unleash another former-self upon Hogwarts until the time is right? Who knows.

Yeah I think that Hogwarts' Horcrux was the diary, it contained a piece of Voldemort's memory from his days there and I doubt he'd put more than an Horcrux in the same place... The others are simply linked to Hogwarts in the way that they're related to the Hogwarts founders but I don't think they're necessarily inside Hogwarts...

I've got a thought that Voldemort was far more concerned about the security of his horcruxes than the sentimental value of where he hid them. After all, he made them so he would never die. So I can't see him putting one in the Gryffindor sword and leaving it in the custody of his greatest enemy Dumbledore. A vault in Gringott's seems more likely to me than that.

But I doubt Voldemort's the kind of wizard who can just go into Gringott's and put Helga Hufflepuff's cup into a vault without anyone noticing.. don't you think?

But I doubt Voldemort's the kind of wizard who can just go into Gringott's and put Helga Hufflepuff's cup into a vault without anyone noticing.. don't you think? Well, of course he couldn't now. But how long ago could it have been put there? He wasn't always on the run. He also has Death Eaters who could deposit it for him.

I guess... but I think it might have been too meaningless for Voldemort... I mean, he did hide a portion of his soul in a locket that was his mother's in a cave where he terrified kids when he was a little boy...It would be too meaningless just to send it into Gringotts. And it says in book 6 that Voldemort would have made it possible for him to go back and get his Horcrux if he thought it could be in danger.. Would he really put it in Gringotts, knowing he was going to kill lots of people and basically be the most feared wizard of all times, because that was his plan... and I doubt he'd let another one of his Horcruxes in the hands of a death eater... Lucius made it plain clear that Voldemort can't trust anybody cept himself...

I guess... but I think it might have been too meaningless for Voldemort... I mean, he did hide a portion of his soul in a locket that was his mother's in a cave where he terrified kids when he was a little boy...It would be too meaningless just to send it into Gringotts. And it says in book 6 that Voldemort would have made it possible for him to go back and get his Horcrux if he thought it could be in danger.. Would he really put it in Gringotts, knowing he was going to kill lots of people and basically be the most feared wizard of all times, because that was his plan... and I doubt he'd let another one of his Horcruxes in the hands of a death eater... Lucius made it plain clear that Voldemort can't trust anybody cept himself...
i dont think he has too much of a choice about who to trust and who not to trust he cant exactly trust dementors and giants giants might eat or break it dementors might sense the soul shard and suck it out he only has his death eaters to do his important stuff he could do it on his own and i dont think he'll leave a horcrux in a death eaters possesion for very long but he doesnt have much of a choice.

i was re reading HBP when i arrived on the part where dumbledore is taking harry through the memory and how mr burke was talking about how people come in all the time saying this was merlins and .....
voldemort cares about lineage and magical history and places that are important to him or ahve an important magical past what if he took something of merlins and hid it within some other castle or in his early years when he was a favorite of slughorns before his ten year expedition into the dark arts he asked slughorn for a recommendation for a tour through the ministry saw something of merlins and voila it is almost just like the sword thing in dumbledores office but there is no denying that merlin and the ministry were important parts of magical history so couldnt the ministry be a horcrux location not many people would be allowed to touch or view the artifact and fewer would sense any darkness about it then almost none would understand what the dark presence meant.

hmm I don't know about the ministry either... Personnaly, I'd really think all the locations are personal ones, relevant to Voldemort's life, but as I haven't written the books, your theory's as good as mine... I think Voldemort would choose places where he was certain nobody would be able to find them, the ministry is probably the place where the most qualified wizards are so I doubt he'd risk one of his Horcruxes there... :shrug:

Yeah, i agree. I don't think Voldemort put a horcrux in any large wizarding building such as The Ministry or Gringotts and probably not st.mungos. I'd say a couple horcruxs are in new places or in places that don't have much meaning to us now but we find how they are related to Voldemort in book seven

I can't see the Ministry as a Horcrux-hiding-place either. Voldemort despised the Ministry as a career, he wanted to become a famous Dark Wizard, not just some politician.

I'd dismiss places where a lot of people are getting to in general. The idea of hiding something in the open doesn't work for valuable objects with a lot of powerful Dark Magic infused. There's too much danger that they might be recognised by someone for their value or for their powers. Even if another Horcrux was an unobtrusive object like the diary, it might be destroyed accidentally if it was left lying on a shelf somewhere.

I agree that the locations would need to be places of significance to Voldemort, but I disagree with locations such as the Riddle House and the orphanage. He hated those places, and using them as locations for horcrux storage seems unlikely. It's too obvious to use his father's house, and an orphanage would have too much traffic to be secure.

Then again he did entrust a horcrux to one of his faithful death eaters. We know that the Ring was stored in the House of Gaunt and that the locket was stored in the Cave. These are less obvious and less trafficked locations, where nobody was likely to stumble across them and yet still held emotional significance to Voldemort.

I believe the Chamber of Secrets would be a likely location for a horcrux, given that it took Voldemort a long time to discover, and gave him insight into his direct lineage from Salazar Slytherin.

I believe the Chamber of Secrets would be a likely location for a horcrux, given that it took Voldemort a long time to discover, and gave him insight into his direct lineage from Salazar Slytherin.

The diary was supposed to get to Hogwarts eventually so i don't know why Vodemort would want two Horcruxs at hogwarts unless he wanted one to use like the diary to insnare Hogwarts and one just to keep safe. However there didn't seem to be any barriers in the Chamber. Then again he didn't think anyone else except for him could reach the Chamber.

Not to mention that Harry didn't exactly have the time to spend investigating every corner of it.

Exactly. Borgin and Burke specialize in rare, semi-shady and shady artefacts with unusual powers. These are wizards who would detect traces of magical hiding. Far too risky.

I also think that Voldemort might have already stored one important object in the shop: the Vanishing Cabinet, Voldemort's back-entrance into Hogwarts..

Oh My Goodness ! So Voldemort could have entered Hogwarts At Any Time to hide his horcrux, not just during the meeting with Dumbledore. Scary!
I agree that the locations would need to be places of significance to Voldemort, but I disagree with locations such as the Riddle House and the orphanage. He hated those places, and using them as locations for horcrux storage seems unlikely. It's too obvious to use his father's house, and an orphanage would have too much traffic to be secure.

I agree about the orphanage, but not about the Riddle House. Everyone agrees it was a fine manor, grand enough for Voldie. At least, tho' mudbloods, the Riddles were somebody...

Also Voldie returned there in GOF to hide, and a mysterious absentee owner owns it.... Voldie perhaps?

And what was Voldie's connection to the Gaunt Hut? It was the source / home of his ancestors - and probably his inheritance - but not a source of pride... they lived in a HUT ! Not somewhere he'd have WARM feelings for, but important to his life story yes.

So I really can't totally eliminate the orphanage either.

Dark wolf - the Sorting Hat is Identifying the Horcruxes.
Here we Track them.. the invisible horcruxes ... since we don't really know what they all are yet. But the Sorting Hat is definitely a front runner on ID'ing. It's a pack of about 20 possibilities but you know... it's early days yet. Lots of interviews to go once GOF fades away.

Yes but if he were to have left a horcrux in the Riddle House why would he be so detached to it in Goblet of Fire. He says something along the lines of "This place is moderately comfortable, we'll stay here for a while". Doesn't seem like it's important enough to go "Oh yea we can stay here it's where I keep a horcrux".

One thought that had occurred to me is that Voldemort entrusted a horcrux to Lucius Malfoy (who obviously didn't understand it's importance). It is conceivable that Voldemort would place horcruxes with guards who might be equally as formidable to wizards, say with Giants and Dementors.

yeah but giants and dementors can be fooled or defeated... I think Voldemort wouldn't trust anyone but himself... Although the fact that he gave one to Lucius probably shatters my theory, but I don't think he'd have entrusted anyone else to keep his Horcruxes... Anyway he probably knew that at some point the chamber of secrets would be discovered and his diary destroyed I guess... But the other parts of his soul aren't things that can possess people, at least I don't think.. So I think he probably just hid the others with lots of dark magic and tricks so he'd be the only one able to find them and take them back if he ever needed to...

riddle timeline:

tom was born in an orphanage.
tom lived there until he turned eleven with ocasional trips to the lake where he
found a cave.
He hated the orphanage
He left for platform 9 3/4 by himself
He went to Hogwarts (his real home)
He discovered the chamber of secrets inside
Hogwarts
He found his ancestor's at the House of Gaunt In Little Haggleton
He found and killed his father at the Riddle Mansion in Little Haggleton
He was offered jobs at the Ministry but refused
He left to work at Borgin and Burkes
He went to Hepsibah's home several times
He disappeared for ten years
He came back to Hogwarts
He killed people
He created Horcrux's (some were already made) (maybe all)
He killed lily and James Potter in Godric's hollow
He lost his powers...
He lived in secret (Forest in Albania) barely alive
He possed snakes
he possed Quirrel
He came back to Hogwarts
He lost possetion in the third floor corridor inside Hogwarts
He lived in Albania again?
He met Wormtail again
He lived in the riddle house
He went to the Crouch's house to meet up with Crouch Jr.
He was recreated at the graveyard in Little Haggleton
He lived in some house
He went to the Ministry of Magic
His whereabouts are now unknown.

Underline-places in Tom riddle's life (not all of them are possible Horcrux places (lake))
Italics- where a place is. There is probably one Horcrux per place.

It's not a lake though, it's the sea...

same difference

yeah, just wanted to clarify... cause I remembered salty wind or something and I checked... :nc:

This hasn't got that much to do with Horcruxes, but why did Dumbledore personaly go and tell Tom he was a wizard? Why didn,t they just send an owl with his letter like they did with Harry???

This hasn't got that much to do with Horcruxes, but why did Dumbledore personaly go and tell Tom he was a wizard? Why didn,t they just send an owl with his letter like they did with Harry???


I think that a Hogwarts representative is sent to Muggleborn/raised children. Having never been a part of the wizarding world, Tom Riddle would have probably been a bit wary of accepting a letter from an owl, not to mention the comments and questions raised by the Muggles at the orphanage.

Harry got an owl because it was assumed that he knew about his parents and his abilities.

OT as well, but, you know....

Yeah, maybe...


And I thought about this yesterday... When Voldemort takes possession of Nagini, like he did when he attacked Arthur Weasley, assuming Nagini's a Horcrux, Voldemort somehow reunites with another 7th of his soul when he does that, doesn't he? Isn't that a bit weird? Maybe that proves Nagini's not a horcrux.. :shrug:

Ok Back to the location of the horcruxes. First of all if you want to read my theory as to what they are it is here:
http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?p=3356800#post3356800
if you read that then you know that I believe there to be only 3 remaining horcuxes. Hufflepuff's cup would be at His orphanage, Slytherin's Locket would be at #12 Grimmauld Place, and his Trophy for special service to the school would be at Hogwarts

Talking about tracking down the Horcruxes, do you think Voldemort will realize his Horcruxes are destroyed and try to disappear or he'll want to fight Harry even if there's a possibility he might die?

I think that he will always think of himself as a superior wizard than anyone else in the world. Therefore he would fight Harry even if all of his Horcruxes were destroyed because there would be no doubt in his mind that he could beat him.

Yeah I guess Voldemort would still think he could beat Harry... but he'd be afraid I think... because that'd be the first time he'd really face death, wouldn't it?

Please keep this thread on-topic. This thread is for Tracking Down the Remaining Horcruxes - in other words, where do you think they might be hidden?

We have had this thread closed down in the past for off-topic conversation and I don't want to see it happen again.

Since some reminders are in order - we are looking for hiding places of the 4 remaining Horcruxes.

To quote myself again:
Will they be hidden inside, outside, around, under, over, behind, betwixt, between, to, fro, far, wide, hither and yon:

Hogwarts, Albania, Egypt, Riddle House, caves, mountains, bunny holes, loose floor boards, chamber pots, cabinets, wand shops, tunnels, matresses, seasides, countrysides, dark forests, alleys, shrieking shacks, orphanages, dungeons, towers, sheds, over hill & dale, under water or in the air?

Stay on-topic or Jessica will use her newly appointed Professor powers to banish one or all of us.

Sorry, I kind of start getting off topic when an idea pops into my head and then I can't help discussing it... So back to tracking down the Horcruxes, although knowing where Voldemort is is part of tracking the Horcruxes now, isn't it? So, I think a few Horcruxes will be in places we've never heard of... There are a few speculations about Horcruxes in Godric's Hollow, but if Voldemort were really that intelligent, wouldn't he NOT put a part of his soul in the place where he killed Harry's parents? I mean, Harry was bound to return there some time,because that's where his parents lived...

Maybe Voldemort had already split his soul when he "died" and the peice just shot to the nearest object. So it could be somewhere in Godric's hollow. Though probably not.

But Voldemort must have done some things of significance, like someone said, in his 40 or so years when he was gathering followers... He must have been to some places that had some significance for him at the time and left a Horcrux there.. I don't feel we know that much about Voldemort's life anyway... We know his youth and his 50's, but that's it, isn't it?

We're missing his life from the moment he left Borgin and Burkes, around maybe 20 years old, and the time he went in the kill Harry, which would be when he was about...38...

So what happened during those 18 years???

got point. And what made him turn white was it that he split his soul so much in those years

maybe all the murders he committed somehow split his soul a lot of times inside himself, so that's why he turned white, like you're saying.. and maybe that's why his eyes were turning red. Remember, they started turning red when he was at Hepzibah's, and he had already killed his father's family...

Back on track then,

Hogwarts: Diary --» destroyed
House of Gaunt: Marvolo's ring --» Destroyed
Orphanage: (Cave): Locket --» Gone somewhere else, possibly 12, Grimmauld place
Somewhere in England: Voldemort and his body, planning more deaths...
In that same place: Nagini, assuming she's a Horcrux

that leaves Hufflepuff's cup and something of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor's, or possible something else...

But as those items are of the Hogwarts founders, where could they be hidden? They don't necessarily have to be hidden in a place concerning Hogwarts, do they? The locket was in the cave but it was Slytherin's and then his mother's, there's not really a connection between the cave and the locket except if we dig deep and say that his mother died at the orphanage and bla bla bla

.maybe all the murders he committed somehow split his soul a lot of times inside himself, so that's why he turned white, like you're saying.. and maybe that's why his eyes were turning red. Remember, they started turning red when he was at Hepzibah's, and he had already killed his father's family...

Back on track then,

Hogwarts: Diary --» destroyed
House of Gaunt: Marvolo's ring --» Destroyed
Orphanage: (Cave): Locket --» Gone somewhere else, possibly 12, Grimmauld place
Somewhere in England: Voldemort and his body, planning more deaths...
In that same place: Nagini, assuming she's a Horcrux

that leaves Hufflepuff's cup and something of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor's, or possible something else...

But as those items are of the Hogwarts founders, where could they be hidden? They don't necessarily have to be hidden in a place concerning Hogwarts, do they? The locket was in the cave but it was Slytherin's and then his mother's, there's not really a connection between the cave and the locket except if we dig deep and say that his mother died at the orphanage and bla bla bla


the splitting of the soul definitly has something to do with it dumbledore said it was supposed to stay intact and whole spread if his soul was split 6 times then he has 1/64 of his soul left that could have impacts on the body.

and i dont think that because they are founders items that they have to be hidden in or somewhere near hogwarts but it would be worth it for harry to check hogwarts out anyway if they can find an efficient way. (room by room wont work)

the items voldemort chooses are important to or have connections to important magical events but he hides them in places with connections to himself like the cave and house and hogwarts (diary) in other words the items need to be interesting unique and important and the hiding places have to be related to tom in some way.

I don't think he only has 1/64th of his soul though, he has a seventh.. I think he knew he'd split his soul into 7 Horcruxes and so he had the same amount of soul in each Horcrux...

i know this is not related but this will be quick and if you disagree with me on this send me an owl and we'll talk about it there so we dont waste thread space and member time.

you split your soul in 2 every time you kill so after 1 horcrux half is left then you split whats left in you again so you only have 1/4 left and so on so unless i misscounted he has 1/64th of his original soul left.

he has 1 out of the 7 peices left in him if that s what you mean but i meant that there was only 1/64th of the original untarnished soul left in him.

and once again this isnt the point of the thread so lets owl eachother so we dont get in trouble

One thought that had occurred to me is that Voldemort entrusted a horcrux to Lucius Malfoy (who obviously didn't understand it's importance). It is conceivable that Voldemort would place horcruxes with guards who might be equally as formidable to wizards, say with Giants and Dementors.

i doubt he would entrust his soul to giants and dementors
giants are usually big violent and stupid it is likly that they'll break or eat it
dementors arent very loyal or trustworthy they cant control themselves sometimes as we saw at the quidditch match in PoA so they might get too tempted and suck it out (kiss a horcrux?????)

he might have it in a cave or forest of some giant inhabited area as a sign of respect but he wouldnt tell them where it was and it would be protected from their umm.... rage curiosity and stupidity. but i doubt it it doesnt seem like the thing he would do he doesnt need the giants, they are for the grand effect.

plus giants dont represent his heritage or have a personal connection with him so im going to rule that out.

Gosh you guys are all so smart. I have the same sentiments and agree on a lot of things you're saying, but there are a few things I disagree with. Being law abiding citizens and such we'll agree to disagree though:cool:

I think it is very important to look at the relevance of where the known horcruxes were placed, to figure out where the remaining horcruxes could be concealed.

Let's look at the ones we already know:

Horcrux 1: Voldemort - obviously this one would be wherever Voldy is

Horcrux 2: Marvolo's Ring - this was found in the rubble or ruins of the abandoned Marvolo House. This ring was worn by Tom Riddle in the Slughorn memory of the question of horcruxes which makes me think it was the first one as he had already had it and found it very important. Dumbledore said he would not want to wear it after it had been turned into a horcrux and so concealed it very carefully in the home of his magical blood line. Marvolo's home was the home of his last known relatives.

Horcrux 3: Tom's Diary - This was kept for safe-keeping in the hands of Lucius Malfoy. Dumbledore said this diary as a horcrux had shocked him because it had a double purpose, that of a horcrux and that of a weapon. He had been a bit flippant with this one, presumably because he had already made one horcrux (or by this time more) and that he felt very sure of himself and his abilities. He was willing to forego this Horcrux's safety for a bigger purpose and ego - to allow all to know who is the true heir of Slytherin. Still, his wrecklessness with the diary had nothing to do with his expecting it to be destroyed. So if his plan had been successful, this diary would have been left hidden in the bowels of Hogwarts. We all know that Hogwarts was very important to Voldemort - it being the only place he felt at home.

Horcrux 4: Slytherin's Locket - The locket was safeguarded in a cave which was found by Dumbledore's because of it's relevance to Voldemort. The cave was the place where Tom Riddle had tortured (or done whatever) to the two orphan kids on a trip away from the orphanage. He had some sentimental link to this place, specifically what it is I do not know, but maybe it was the place where he first found out to what extent he could push these powers that he did not understand. Maybe it was the first place that he felt truely powerful.

These are the facts that we know. I find that the relevance of the place has as much to do with Voldemort's attachment to "trophies" as the horcruxes do. Each place had to do with an important event or a turning point in Voldemort's life, and so I assume that the rest would be too.

So to recap:

RING - Marvolo House = last known relatives / magic bloodline
DIARY - intended resting place Hogwarts (through servant) = only HOME and safety (and proof that he is the true heir of Slytherin)
LOCKET - Cave (orphanage link) = first realisation of power

Now the locket being previously removed by RAB puts a spanner in the works, and IT'S place of rest now has nothing to do with Voldemort. This is my theory though. Assuming that RAB is Regulus Black, and that the locket that no one could open is THE locket, one would automatically think it would be at Grimmauld Place. I somehow think it isn't there, and was nicked away with the cups by Mundungus putting it either in Hogsmead, or in a "needle in a haytack" situation as anyone could have bought it. The speculation could be endless on that one - but I think Mundungus is the key to the whole whereabouts of the locket thing.

The rest of the horcruxes have yet to be correctly identified (by this I mean not through speculation), and so their resting places. The hints must be in the books somewhere we just have to find out what the places are that could be of high importance to Voldemort. I think the places have as much relevance as the horcruxes themselves.

Sqizz:p

I agree with you Sqizzer, but I think we'd have to re-read the whole series a few times to really have solid evidence as to what and where might be the other Horcruxes. JK probably left us a few hints here and there but nobody caught those because of the large amount of details the books already have...

I'm still curious as to what Voldemort did during those 18 years that we have no clues about... He must have been to some places of significance that we don't know about... Maybe it has some link with the Potters as they defied him 3 times but I dunno... Anyone has any suggestions?

I agree with you Sqizzer, but I think we'd have to re-read the whole series a few times to really have solid evidence as to what and where might be the other Horcruxes. JK probably left us a few hints here and there but nobody caught those because of the large amount of details the books already have...

I'm still curious as to what Voldemort did during those 18 years that we have no clues about... He must have been to some places of significance that we don't know about... Maybe it has some link with the Potters as they defied him 3 times but I dunno... Anyone has any suggestions?

Very good suggestion... about the link to where/how the Potters defied him. We know the 3rd time is in Godric's Hollow. However the other two may be connected to the Order. Remember Moody showed Harry that picture with his parents in the Order during the beginning of the 5th book? I think that may be a small hint JK Rowling put in there. We also don't know where the previous headquarters was... or anything else about the old Order except who was in it. So maybe the "jobs" they had then was relevant to where or what the Potters were doing to defy Voldemort?

Alighty, I've looked and looked (well I looked through two pages) to try and find a place to put this. It has to do with the cave and the Horcrux inside of it.
Ok, Voldemort, as we all know by now, has never had, wanted, or needed a friend, he prefers to operate alone. But, if Voldemort prefered to operate alone why would it take two people to recover his Horcrux? Voldemort himself will have to go through the same enchantments to get to the Horcrux, right? Dumbledore said something along the lines of, "the defense was well designed, it would have taken two to get the Horcrux." And before they entered the boat Dumbledore said that if Voldemort wanted to take his Horcrux he would have to get into the boat and ride across too. So, naturally (or maybe not), Voldemort would have to go through all of the enchantments in the cave, as well as drinking the potion. He obviously (assuming I am right, of course) would have known a way around drinking the potion, since he was the one who made it. Having two people to recover this Horcrux seems odd, considering Voldemort's past. With one person going into this dark, spooky cave it would envoke fear in them, something Voldemort would like. Sending two people wouldn't be bad because you wouldn't be afraid with someone else there with you. So, maybe some certain person knew about this one Horcrux besides Voldemort....

um hi, i'm really out of my league posting in this thread for the really smart people who can look really deep in the text, but i have a thought and I think this is the right thread to put it in. So today I read the note RAB put in the locket and he said "I have stollen the real horcrux and inted to destroy it as soon as i can." p609 of the american copy. what if he really did destroy it? that means the locket is nowhere for harry to find. and if he destroyed one horcrux, what if he destroyed others??

um hi, i'm really out of my league posting in this thread for the really smart people who can look really deep in the text, but i have a thought and I think this is the right thread to put it in. So today I read the note RAB put in the locket and he said "I have stollen the real horcrux and inted to destroy it as soon as i can." p609 of the american copy. what if he really did destroy it? that means the locket is nowhere for harry to find. and if he destroyed one horcrux, what if he destroyed others??

That's a possibility, RAB might have destroyed other Horcruxes, although we can be certain that he hadn't already destroyed the diary and the ring so he would have failed to destroy 3 (including Voldemort himself) out of 7... maybe he did get to the other 3, we'll know when we read book 7 I guess...

Very good suggestion... about the link to where/how the Potters defied him. We know the 3rd time is in Godric's Hollow. However the other two may be connected to the Order. Remember Moody showed Harry that picture with his parents in the Order during the beginning of the 5th book? I think that may be a small hint JK Rowling put in there. We also don't know where the previous headquarters was... or anything else about the old Order except who was in it. So maybe the "jobs" they had then was relevant to where or what the Potters were doing to defy Voldemort?

I don't think the 3rd time was in Godric's Hollow though, because the Prophecy says, that they thrice defied the Dark Lord, so they would have had to defy him 3 times before the prophecy was made, which means the time Lily and James died was the 4th time they saw Voldemort...

Hmm let's try and think of all the places Voldemort has been. He loves Hogwarts and I agree with the idea he left the diary there. Also I'm pretty sure he has to have the object with him in order to make the horcrux. So the object would most likely have to be at hand. So my thinking is if Nagini is indeed a horcrux we experienced the death that he used to create it with in GoF. I think when he killed Frank Bryce he would have made Nagini a horcrux. But now back to my original thoughts. Did we ever think to check any of the objects at Borgin and Burke. He did work there perhaps he left something in the shop which he knew no one would ever buy.

I don't know, this was talked about a few pages ago, and leaving something in Borgin and Burkes is highly risky. Everything in there is related to the dark arts so there's really no way to prevent people from actually buying them except the owner just saying it's not for sale, but that'd implicate that the owner would have talked to Voldemort after he left B&B and I don't think he did. Also, the way the Ring and the locket were protected tells me Voldemort wouldn't just leave a piece of his soul lying in a shop for no apparent reason. The only Horcrux that wasn't really protected was the diary because it was supposed to reopen the chamber of secrets and everything. I don't think a Horcrux would be in B&B without a purpose because it's impossible to really protect it.

riddle timeline:

tom was born in an orphanage.
tom lived there until he turned eleven with ocasional trips to the lake where he
found a cave.
Also the countryside where he learned he could talk to snakes (they came to him!)
He hated the orphanage
He left for platform 9 3/4 by himself
He went to Hogwarts (his real home)
He discovered the chamber of secrets inside Hogwarts
He found his ancestor's at the House of Gaunt In Little Haggleton
He found and killed his father at the Riddle Mansion in Little Haggleton
He bought a diary in Vauxhall Road
He was offered jobs at the Ministry but refused
He left to work at Borgin and Burkes
He went to Hepsibah's home several times
He disappeared for ten years
He came back to Hogwarts
He visited Hogsmeade & Hogshead Bar
He killed people
He created Horcrux's (some were already made) (maybe all)
He killed lily and James Potter in Godric's hollow
He lost his powers...
He lived in secret (Forest in Albania) barely alive
He possed snakes
he possed Quirrel
He came back to Hogwarts
He lost possetion in the third floor corridor inside Hogwarts.. I don't get this??? wasn't the stone in the basement?
He lived in Albania again?
He met Wormtail again
He lived in the Riddle house
He went to the Crouch's house to meet up with Crouch Jr.
He was recreated at the graveyard in Little Haggleton
He lived in some house
He went to the Ministry of Magic
His whereabouts are now unknown.

Underline-places in Tom riddle's life (not all of them are possible Horcrux places (lake))
Italics- where a place is. There is probably one Horcrux per place.

Excellent list!
Maximum 4 horcruxes now (thank goodness).
I put in my additions in pink.
I didn't get what you said about 3rd floor corridor.

Yeah sorry. I meant to say that the third floor corridor has a trapdoor that leads to the basement.

the country side looks appealing that could be important considering it shows him to be special and have powers and be related to slytherin. that could definitly be a special time in his life one of the few times that his happiness isnt associated with death and destruction.

im not too sure about it though because it has relation to the orphanage and the cave has a connection to that too. but that is my only objection and it is minor i think the country side would be a good place if he could find somewhere to hide it.

I agree with you Sqizzer, but I think we'd have to re-read the whole series a few times to really have solid evidence as to what and where might be the other Horcruxes. JK probably left us a few hints here and there but nobody caught those because of the large amount of details the books already have...

Happy Hunting everyone:p

Very good suggestion... about the link to where/how the Potters defied him. We know the 3rd time is in Godric's Hollow. However the other two may be connected to the Order. Remember Moody showed Harry that picture with his parents in the Order during the beginning of the 5th book? I think that may be a small hint JK Rowling put in there. We also don't know where the previous headquarters was... or anything else about the old Order except who was in it. So maybe the "jobs" they had then was relevant to where or what the Potters were doing to defy Voldemort?

I am almost sure I read something about James Potter coming from a wealthy family and so he did not need to work, therefore the Potters had devoted their time to the Order. I don't think they had other jobs (correct me if the evidence proves otherwise). What I do think is very important, is what lifted them above the Longbottoms as the chosen family. Maybe that's where the Godric's Hollow connection comes in - he chose Harry because of his location. It being of Gryffindor, that could be the intention, whether he succeeded we do not know (speaking of horcruxes)

Ok, Voldemort, as we all know by now, has never had, wanted, or needed a friend, he prefers to operate alone. But, if Voldemort prefered to operate alone why would it take two people to recover his Horcrux?

Voldemort intends his horcruxes to NOT be found. They are there to keep him alive. The curses around them are intended to stop the seeker from getting it successfully. The boat will only allow one wizard in at a time - Harry didn't count as one. Yes it takes 2 people but the curses didn't really allow for that option. He made the curses - and so he knows how to undo them. If he ever wanted to relocate the horcrux, he could use an imperius curse and then accio the locket, or he could undo the curses and just take it. I doubt that he intended to ever have to get it, but I'm sure he left a loophole for himself just in case.

what if he really did destroy it? that means the locket is nowhere for harry to find. and if he destroyed one horcrux, what if he destroyed others??

Destroying a horcrux doesn't mean destroying the object. Remember the ring? If the horcrux has already been destroyed, and Harry does find the locket, it just means that there would be no more traces of magic and therefore he would know that it was not a horcrux anymore. If he his smart enough for that yet, I don't know, but there are a lot of capable wizards in the order to help him figure it out. I don't think that the other horcruxes have been destroyed by RAB, but I do think that RAB was on a mission to find them Maybe when Harry finds out who he is, then he will find some sort of documentation as to what the others could be and their possible locations. It's a shot in the dark though:grumble:

I agree that Borgin and Burkes is a place of some importance to Voldemort somehow, but I think it is connected to the locket as his mother sold it to Borgin, and he got possession of it when on a bargaining trip for Borgin and Burkes.

Sqizz:p

Voldemort stashing one of the Horcruxes in Gringott's isn't as far-fetched as it may seem:

1. Hagrid's description to Harry in PS/SS (pg. 63):
Never mess with goblins, Harry. Gringotts is the safest place in the world fer anything yeh want ter keep safe - 'cept maybe Hogwarts.

2. Riddle's first entrance to the magical world was here in Diagon Alley.

3. After Riddle left Hogwarts he went to work at Borgin & Burke's - in Knockturn Alley.

4. He could very well have stashed a Horcrux in Gringotts before he disappeared "underground". The goblins would not have been wary of him then.

Since Voldemort personally killed a goblin family in Nottingham, I'm inclined to believe that a goblin-made tiara was put into Gringotts. After the goblins learned who had killed the goblin family, they may have been inclined to open Voldemort's vault. This could be how the tiara surfaced and Great Aunt Muriel may have acquired it shortly afterwards.

This is a purely speculative theory on my part.

As for Gringotts:Hagrid's talk about how safe it is Hagrid's talk about how hard it would be to break into It has its own poem It is visited in the books frequently Goblin loyalty is a concern to the wizards It has dragons, a lake, a maze of tunnels - remind one of anything??? GOF???? the Goblin family in Nottingham that was injured during Voldie War 1 (VW1) I think Quirrell put something INVISIBLE in a vault there, in the break-in where nothing was taken... The puff of green smoke that came out of Harry's parents vault in book 1 The eerie music in movie 1
I think Gringotts is an excellent safe hiding place for a horcrux that may also be a valuable object, ie Hufflepuff's cup.

Re the countryside where Riddle went as a boy:the person Voldie killed personally, Dorcas Meadowes, just reminds one of the countryside during Vernon Dursleys demented journey in Book 1 they stop in a half plowed field the seaside (cave) was very important, and the countryside is of the same type Voldie learned he could talk to snakes there - a big moment the snakes came to him! Telling him a secret ?!? In OOP a helicopter nearly crashed in a field in Surrey We know electricity doesn't work around magic places, OOP, when Draco couldn't be using a walkie-talkie The Ford Anglia, where-ever it may be, also crashed & ceased to function when crossing the magic barrier into Hogwarts
So I actually think we've got that field/countryside location pretty well spotted, just need a horcrux.

Then to me, there MUST be one at Hogwarts, since that was Riddle's home, and where else can the kids hope to out-smart him? Of course, the piece there might be Voldie himself.

Then I really like the Riddle house:I can't imagine anything creepier than a haunted house protected by a massive snake and magic. It matches Voldie hiding one in the Gaunt hut (Dad's house & Mum's house). It's not far from the Gaunt hut, if Voldie had 2 to hide in one trip We've seen it. We know the significance. We know there were now 4 murders there. It's a very evil location. Already established (books & movie - it wasn' cut!) so going back there takes less work, we're in the right mood already.
Some would argue the horcrux there is Nagini, but I think Nagini is a magic pet guarding something, and the Riddle house is a safe place for both Nagini and the horcrux to hide.

So that's 4 places, but we have 4 horcruxes plus Voldie = 5

The locket I think is going to be in the 5th place. So 12 Grimmauld, or where-ever it has ended up.
Possibly still in the lake in the cave.

I like Albania as a location, but since it has to make it into the top 5 it doesn't get there.
It is my next alternate of the above.

I doubt Voldemort would put two horcruxes as near to each other as the Gaunt home and the Riddle house but maybe. However Frank, and muggle kids could get in before GoF. And the diary was supposed to get to hogworts eventually. I don't think he would want two Horcrux's in one spot. I like the idea of Gringotts and the tiara though.

Perhaps Mundungus has one of the Horcruxes. In HBP we find that he has been stealing from Grimmauld Place, and that there was a necklace inclosed in a box while Harry and the others were cleaning. Perhaps Mundungus stole this and now he has a Horcrux...or has sold it to someone who it might be difficult to get it back from.

But yet again, we go back to assuming RAB is Regulus and that he brought back the Horcrux home and didn't destroy it.. That's a lot of assumptions.

this is getting really good these are my views on areas recently discussed.

as for the locket either regulus is R.A.B. and it is at grimauld place/w mundungus
or it is in the lake in that cave.... i read a theory that the lake "water" could be a draught of living death potion i dont remember the name of the thread but it is plausible and in my opinion likely.


i dont think there is anything left at hogwarts unless that tiara in the RoR is a horcrux.

i think that the country side is a very likely area for the reasons stated by others a few posts back

i say no to the riddle house it is too close to the gaunt house and the only time voldemort may have felt an attraction to it was at his rebirth but he might have finished with horcruxes by then.

Gringotts is likely in my opinion considering that voldemort and quirrel broke in once before and more reasons as stated above.

and possibly the forest in albania or somewhere that has a relation to his adolecent chunk of life we focus on the orphanage and places that mattered to him after he grew up but i think he may have a horcrux hidden somewhere that he visited during his 10yr vacation that is possibly the most important part of his life when he truelly became immersed in the dark arts and the cruel ways of the darkest magic.

i read a theory that the lake "water" could be a draught of living death potion i dont remember the name of the thread but it is plausible and in my opinion likely.
Why did it INVIGORATE Dumbledore? I haven't heard that theory.

i dont think there is anything left at hogwarts unless that tiara in the RoR is a horcrux.

Riddle house...too close

Hogwarts IS this series. It must climax there.
Riddle house, the closeness to Gaunt hut to me is a PLUS, but ...

but i think he may have a horcrux hidden somewhere that he visited during his 10yr vacation that is possibly the most important part of his life when he truelly became immersed in the dark arts and the cruel ways of the darkest magic.
ALBANIA !!!! Yes, you must meet KingWidgit.

I even posted a picture of a lake in the mountains, it's known as land of eagles, and has famous ancient caves "deep in a forest". I just think if 4 horcruxes are the challenges then Voldie (5 majors) + Bill & Fleur's wedding + Privet Drive + Godric's Hollow, then we are going to have a lot of ground to cover, not to mention tracking the locket and figuring out how to destroy it.

But I would love to go to Albania.

I thing that the something of Gryfindor's will be at Godric's Hollow

Rah Rah for Gringotts - it's fabulous:D . Whoever put the whole tiara hing together first - aces to you babe:tu: :tu:

Didn't even hink of it - thought the kids' theory of something put in instead of taken was a bit too obvious, but it makes sense now that the whole horcrux thing is getting heated, and people now have to revisit almost every word to read between the lines:lol: I think if JKR is reading - she's having a ball of a time:p

My thoughts on the Riddle house location:

Voldemort despised the Riddle name once he found out that it had betrayed him (meaning his father was the muggle, and the name he carried was now unworthy to him). I think he would find it an insult to himself to honor the Riddle name by a horcrux. The only reason GOB sent him there was for his father's bones, it was by no means any sign of respect. If he had ever intended on making a horcrux there - he would move it to a different location for safe keeping.

Sqizz:cool:

Why did it INVIGORATE Dumbledore?I haven't heard that theory.
im not sure about it invigorating dumbledore but it seemed to me to be sort of an adrenaline thing that got dumbledore up and he only drank a little you have to read the theory in whole to really understand it im not too great at explaining.http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=79218


Hogwarts IS this series. It must climax there.
i didnt mean that we wouldnt be seeing hogwarts in the 7th book but what i am saying is that if that tiara isnt a horcrux then hogwarts wont have any horcruxes any more i actually believe that at least 1 major confrontation will occur there and it will probably be the final battle.

Riddle house, the closeness to Gaunt hut to me is a PLUS, but ...
i dont understand how the riddle house being close to the gaunt house is a plus but im keeping an open mind if you dont mind explaining.

but what?

ALBANIA !!!! Yes, you must meet KingWidgit.
I even posted a picture of a lake in the mountains, it's known as land of eagles, and has famous ancient caves "deep in a forest". I just think if 4 horcruxes are the challenges then Voldie (5 majors) + Bill & Fleur's wedding + Privet Drive + Godric's Hollow, then we are going to have a lot of ground to cover, not to mention tracking the locket and figuring out how to destroy it
But I would love to go to Albania.
and i mentioned albania ive read many posts by kingwidget and he is where i really get the reasons for my choice he has all of the evidence and reasons of why one is in albania i always suspected it but i never had any proof or good reasons to before i read his work.

This IS getting good. So many good theories. I love reading a good thread. Kudos to everyone who has posted.

Ist: I don't think Gringotts (although it would be cool) would be Voldemort's style. We can expect great and terrible things, not to mention things that are incredibily connected to the experiences that have shaped him.
I also don't think the Riddle house would be his style. It's been done. Futhermore, he would think it beneath him to store his soul in a house that essentially abandoned him.

2nd: I really like ALBANIA, but it would take up quite a bit of space in a novel that is not supposed to be as long as OOTP. That is the only downside I see, but I think the connection to Voldemort and his ways are so strong that they completely outweigh the page space they would take.
I can totally see the FORBIDDEN FOREST. It's always portrayed as so dark.
The COUNTRYSIDE. Hard to find, unexpected, barely mentioned. Sounds like a good candidate based on JK's history.

Wherever they are I am betting that we have heard of the place. JK said in an interview that I read that she has had to do major planning from the beginning because she couldn't get to the 7th book and spring something new on her readers. She said that wouldn't be playing fair.

i say the remaining four horcruxs are at the Hog's head (I think Mudungus took the locket from Gramud Place otherwise why would J.K. show us that). The countryside. Nagia (if she is a horcrux)is with Voldemort and Harry is a horcrux (but i know thats not for this thread).
Gringotts would be cool but i don't think Voldemort put one in there while he was with quirrel (it would be difficult if not impossible to kill and split and put a peice of your soul in something while being barely alive)(also i don't think Voldemort was with Quirrel in DIagon Alley he first wears a turban at the sorting) and before that (in his youth) he would have had to kill someone else and trust a peice of his soul to goblins who might soon check his vault due to the murders he would commit. Albania is just to far away. And the diary was going to hogwarts. RIddle house is too close to Gaunt hut and not special enough it is where his filthy muggle father lived.

i dont understand how the riddle house being close to the gaunt house is a plus but im keeping an open mind if you dont mind explaining. To me, because if he was running around in a hurry, he had two significant locations to hide them in close by. Having things scattered far & wide makes them harder to recover, and the relevant murders were close by.

But who knows?