Tracking Down the Remaining Horcruxes v4.0

To me, because if he was running around in a hurry, he had two significant locations to hide them in close by. Having things scattered far & wide makes them harder to recover, and the relevant murders were close by.

But who knows?
In some cases, that would be relevant, but what we know does not seem to require that. He does not seem to need to hurry after a murder to create a horcrux and even if he did, they aren't hard to carry. And there is no need to ever recover them. They do their job sitting hidden and untouched. It's really a wonder he made them accessible at all - something more like the ancient Egyptians where blocks would slide across the passages of the tombs after all the work was done makes more sense - but a worse story.

The two known locations of Horcruxes are places from Voldemort's past: the cave where he had some "fun" with a couple of kids from his orphanage and the House of Gaunt, his maternal ancestral home. Some have said that Voldemort wouldn't put a Horcrux in his paternal ancestral home because he hates his father and is ashamed of his part-Muggle heritage. However, Voldemort wasn't exactly happy to meet Uncle Morfin at the House of Gaunt, yet he still left the ring Horcrux there. So we can't automatically rule out the Riddle House.

I believe that R.A.B. was in fact Regulus Black and the locket found in the House of Black was in fact the Slytherin locket taken from the cave. Some have said Regulus Black is too obvious. However, it was not obvious to Harry, Ron, and Hermione. Hermione's research found two other people with the initials R.A.B., neither of whom could have been the one to take the locket.

This leaves two Horcrux objects hidden in as of yet unknown places: the cup of Helga Hufflepuff and the unknown artifact of Rowena Ravenclaw. I think the two objects are stashed among the following 4 places:

1. The orphanage, where Tom Riddle spent his early childhood.
2. The Riddle House
3. Borgin & Borkes, where Voldemort had his first job. The object would be hidden in some secret compartment that he never told the owners about.
4. Hogwarts, a place Voldemort has some affection for. The object would be hidden either in the Chamber of Secrets or within the Slytherin common room/dormitory.

When Harry comes upon Voldemort and Nagini, he has to make sure to kill the snake before finishing off Voldemort.

The locations that have been destroyed the Chamber Of Secrets(diary), and the Gaunt House(ring)
The in the caves they found the fake locket, and i believe that there is some new character that we haven't met yet, or someone that is using a false name has the real locket
The other places i think might be
1 Harry's house at Godric Hollow
2 The orphanage in his cupboard/room where he kept stolen objects
or
3 some where at his father's gravesite (the tomb stone or his father's bones)

Well, The horcrux from Godric's Hollow may be Harry's Scar, hence the strong connection b/w he and Voldemort share (as the other horcruxes show a tendency to inherit Voldemort's charming qualities) Hopefully he may realise this when he arrives there.
The horcrux present at the tombstone was Nagini, so that one is revealed.
The real locket is possibly the one found in the House of Black, obscure as this is, Sirius himself was an obscure reference in the beginning, was he not?
ooooooooohhh the possibilities are endless...

why should harry's scar be an horcrux? I mean, I know that many of you say that voldermort unconsciously could have made harry an horcrux after killing Lily, but i have two remarks 1) to make an horcrux it isn't enough to kill somebody, one needs a special ritual, that is what young Tom was trying to ask Slughorn (my opinion follows those who think that Grindelwald became Tom's master after leaving Hogwarts and it was Grindelwald who taught Tom how to create a horcrux) 2) should Harry be an involuntary horcrux, we shall have eight horcruxes (including Voldermort's own part of soul), because he had already split his soul into seven, then Harry would be the 8th. We're still up to the others!

dumbledore had killed grindelwald before tom graduated and we have no proof that grindelwald knew how to or made a horcrux considering dumbledore killed him while working at school and having to give lessons every day so he couldnt run off every now and then like he does when he is headmaster to destroy horcruxes.

and i dont beleive that harry or his scar are horcruxes but you do have a mistake in your theory harry would be the 7th because dumbledore said voldemort was 1 horcrux short of his goal so if harry or the scar are horcruxes then it would be 7 but i dont think they are.

i dont think he would put a horcrux at the orphanage because 1 he hated it there 2 how would he get it there without being seen and if he uses a memory charm the ministry may be able to detect magic use on muggles. 3 the building will eventually be demolished in which case if he plans on living forever it will cost him something. and 4 he puts some kind of protection on all of his horcruxes whether it is a powerful curse or some maze of doom he either wouldnt have tome to create it or some orphan would touch it get killed and the muggles would throw it out and it would be crushed in a landfill somewhere.

borgin and burkes is too risky how would he find such a compartment, he doesnt go looking for these he studied hogwarts so carefully because it is his true home.

i dont think it is the riddle house either because it is so close to the gaunts house but i concede that it is possible but not on my "most likely list."

i think that we have 4 horcruxes left
- the locket if it isnt yet destroyed
-something some forest in albania (it doesnt require much backstory if they apparate into the woods they could describe it to be similar to the forbidden forest and they dont have to meet anyone along the way jkr said she wouldnt be bringing any foreigners in.)
- the meadows or whatever it was where he learned he could speak to snakes super important moment to him.
-Gringotts sounds good to me, he didnt have to go in there with quirrel and if quirrel was powerful enough to with voldemorts direction break into and out of a gringotts high security vault then voldemort surely could and he could put something in his vault as far as we know the goblins dont check the vaults except once every 10 years and who would notice some small package buried under some coins as far as we know they only check for bodies of people who broke in but couldnt break out.

Some have said that Voldemort wouldn't put a Horcrux in his paternal ancestral home because he hates his father and is ashamed of his part-Muggle heritage. However, Voldemort wasn't exactly happy to meet Uncle Morfin at the House of Gaunt, yet he still left the ring Horcrux there. So we can't automatically rule out the Riddle House.
I agree totally.

This leaves two Horcrux objects hidden in as of yet unknown places: the cup of Helga Hufflepuff and the unknown artifact of Rowena Ravenclaw. I think the two objects are stashed among the following 4 places:

1. The orphanage, where Tom Riddle spent his early childhood.
2. The Riddle House
3. Borgin & Borkes, where Voldemort had his first job. The object would be hidden in some secret compartment that he never told the owners about.
4. Hogwarts, a place Voldemort has some affection for. The object would be hidden either in the Chamber of Secrets or within the Slytherin common room/dormitory.

When Harry comes upon Voldemort and Nagini, he has to make sure to kill the snake before finishing off Voldemort.
Excellent summary :tu: :tu: :tu:

He does not seem to need to hurry after a murder to create a horcrux and even if he did, they aren't hard to carry.

And there is no need to ever recover them. They do their job sitting hidden and untouched. It's really a wonder he made them accessible at all - something more like the ancient Egyptians where blocks would slide across the passages of the tombs after all the work was done makes more sense - but a worse story.

Yep. Very good point. Unless with magic folk NOTHING is totally safe.
Kind of like the Sorcerer's Stone, why build an obstacle course to get it, that is ultimately SOLVABLE?

7 planned obstacles then really 8
Dog, plant, chess, keys, troll, potions, mirror
Then Harry had to fight Quirrel, or Quirrel had to fight Harry, #8

(Harry didn't have to fight troll, but he had to fight Lockhart).

PS Dedalus - I love your airplane avatar:)

dumbledore had killed grindelwald before tom graduated and we have no proof that grindelwald knew how to or made a horcrux considering dumbledore killed him while working at school and having to give lessons every day so he couldnt run off every now and then like he does when he is headmaster to destroy horcruxes.

There is an interesting line when Dumbledore explains to Harry what the horcruxes are:
"Then you told me, two years later, that on the night that Voldermort returned to his body, he made a most illuminating and alarming statement to his DEs. 'I, who have gone further than anybody along the path that leads to immortality'. That was what yoy told me he said. 'Further than anybody'. And I thought I knew what that meant, though the DEs did not. He was referring to his Horcruxes, Horcruxes in the plural, Harry, which I do not believe any other wizard has ever had".
What is interesting is that **'s attention goes to the plural. This means there had been at least one dark wizard before LV who made a Horcruxe. And this wizard probably lived before the DEs were born, because ** could catch what LV referred to, and they couldn't. Something suggests me that also Slughorn was old enough to know about this dark wizard. I guess it was Grindelwald: it is the only other powerful Dark Wizard we've heard about, and it is connected to **. It fits: probably Grindelwald taught Tom Riddle about the Horcruxes. Tom graduated in 1944, Grindelwald was defeated in 1945. It was long enough to tell Tom what he needed.

if one of the horcruxes is in the slytherin common room that would make for a very entertaining scene as harry would venture in there and be confronted by hostile slytherins and possibly malfoy or snape

I am going to go with the chamber of secrets as the books title suggests that there was more than one secret in that chamber. The same darkness and green glow where present in the cave and the chamber of secrets so I think there might be a Horcrux in the chamber. Not only that but Harry got a bad feeling about the serpent statues where at one point he felt as though there eyes where following him. Perhaps the serpent statues where guarding a Horcrux. The statue down in the chamber is of Salazar himself so I would not rule out that holding a Horcrux as it belong to Salazar and this was his secret place. If there is a Horcrux in the chamber of secrets then I think that line of stone serpents might come to life if Harry tries to get his hands on the Horcrux itself (like how the inferi came to life and attacked once Harry and Dumbledore had hold of the locket which is something I find strange considering the locket was not supposed to be the one containing the Horcrux).

The chamber of secrets holds probably the most important significance to Salazar and considering Tom was a fanatical collector I would be shocked if he did not want to place a horcrux in the chamber. In fact Voldemort visited Dumbledore for the post of DADA and I just wonder whether he had to pass the entrance to the chamber then because he could have placed a horcrux in there at that time.

What did Salazar do in that chamber, was it designed to be his tomb or something because if it was and Salazar body rests in that chamber them the Horcrux could be in Salazar himself (that is just a wild guess but I want to know what that chamber was built for because it must have had some significance other than a place where he can keep his pet.

if one of the horcruxes is in the slytherin common room that would make for a very entertaining scene as harry would venture in there and be confronted by hostile slytherins and possibly malfoy or snape
Well, the slytherin common room is an interesting site for a horcrux, made more likely by the fact that we have seen it in an earlier book. However, I think plotting to kill the headmaster, which plot culminates with sneaking in a horde of Death Eaters, a werewolf, and other nogoodniks, and which results in said headmaster's murder, probably is worthy of expulsion even at Hogwarts, so Draco's academic career is probably over, at least at Hogwarts (that might be a just a prank at Durmstrang).

if one of the horcruxes is in the slytherin common room that would make for a very entertaining scene as harry would venture in there and be confronted by hostile slytherins and possibly malfoy or snape

why would Snape or Malfoy return to Hogwarts??? and how would the horcrux get into the school?? I think Voldy would have learned his lesson on just giving away his soul (Lucius with the diary). I dont think that would be very smart hiding place either; slytherin kids running in and out of the place, there a huge chance that one of them can stumble apon the horcrux.

A couple of comments. I have been convinced for some time that one of the Horcrux's is at Hogwarts. Jimm Potter's and Tane's reasoning is good. Voldemort definitely has a strong attachment to the place. The Chamber of Secrets is very likely the location; Voldemort would think that no-one other than Slytherin's heir could ever get into it.

I kind of expect that the locket will end up being sold by Mundungus to someone who carries it back to Hogwarts, resulting in two horcrux's being in Hogwarts.

Jimmy Potter's other suggestions for locations of Horcurx's are good ideas.

The books do make it clear that Horcrux's have been made before. Grindelwald is certainly a possibility. By the way, I'm pretty sure that the books say that Dubledore 'defeated' the dark wizard Grindelwald, not 'killed' him. The difference could be significant.

My top candidate for making a previous Horcrux - not to exclude the possibility that more than one dark wizard has done so - is Salazar Slytherin. Anyone who puts a Basilisk in a school for children is surely deeply evil. Perhaps he made the first Horcrux.

probably Grindelwald taught Tom Riddle about the Horcruxes. Tom graduated in 1944, Grindelwald was defeated in 1945. It was long enough to tell Tom what he needed.
This is why kingwidgit is big on Albania too (I think!).
If there is a Horcrux in the chamber of secrets then I think that line of stone serpents might come to life if Harry tries to get his hands on the Horcrux itself (like how the inferi came to life and attacked once Harry and Dumbledore had hold of the locket which is something I find strange considering the locket was not supposed to be the one containing the Horcrux...

Good point, I wonder if this why people think the RAB locket was the real locket and transfigured somehow, or if the real locket was removed from the potion & Switched on the way back to Hogwarts.

The books do make it clear that Horcrux's have been made before. Grindelwald is certainly a possibility. By the way, I'm pretty sure that the books say that Dubledore 'defeated' the dark wizard Grindelwald, not 'killed' him. The difference could be significant.

I remember in an interview that JKR said specifically that Dumbledore killed Grindlewald. She probably wanted to make that explicit,as it is clear that she does not consider killing a truly evil person a moral blemish, at least under appropriate circumstances, such as Grindlewald and Voldemort. In that regard, I'm not saying I disagree, so long as Voldemort is able to offer resistance: if he was rendered unable to do magic, then I think it would be wrong to kill him (what a punishment for him - to lose all magical power but still have a horcrux existing, so that he cannot die but must just live forever as a decrepit, misshapen, despised squib prisoner :elaugh: )

To Linda Luna: Sorry, I think I didn't get it. What are you referring to? :)

The two known locations of Horcruxes are places from Voldemort's past: the cave where he had some "fun" with a couple of kids from his orphanage and the House of Gaunt, his maternal ancestral home. Some have said that Voldemort wouldn't put a Horcrux in his paternal ancestral home because he hates his father and is ashamed of his part-Muggle heritage. However, Voldemort wasn't exactly happy to meet Uncle Morfin at the House of Gaunt, yet he still left the ring Horcrux there. So we can't automatically rule out the Riddle House.

I believe that R.A.B. was in fact Regulus Black and the locket found in the House of Black was in fact the Slytherin locket taken from the cave. Some have said Regulus Black is too obvious. However, it was not obvious to Harry, Ron, and Hermione. Hermione's research found two other people with the initials R.A.B., neither of whom could have been the one to take the locket.



This leaves two Horcrux objects hidden in as of yet unknown places: the cup of Helga Hufflepuff and the unknown artifact of Rowena Ravenclaw. I think the two objects are stashed among the following 4 places:

1. The orphanage, where Tom Riddle spent his early childhood.
2. The Riddle House
3. Borgin & Borkes, where Voldemort had his first job. The object would be hidden in some secret compartment that he never told the owners about.
4. Hogwarts, a place Voldemort has some affection for. The object would be hidden either in the Chamber of Secrets or within the Slytherin common room/dormitory.

When Harry comes upon Voldemort and Nagini, he has to make sure to kill the snake before finishing off Voldemort.

i agree with this wow...

As far as I have seen know one has thought of Hogwarts Itself as a Horcrux. But to me it makes a lot of sense hiding something in plane view like a whole building (or possibly just a wing of it). Also as we know VM loves to use for his Horcrux objects of great power in their own right and also those connected with the founders of Hogwarts.

What better than Hogwarts it’s self. A huge, un-obscure and immensely magical object built and inhabited by the founders themselves.

Moreover we theorise due to **’s hints that VM cursed the Defence Against the Dark Arts Teaching post (possibly so stop people from staying for more than a year and discovering that this is where he had hidden one of his Horcurxes). This seems a intriguing part of the Castle to hide his Horcruex, especially as it would be very fitting that a brave and adventurous wizard like Gordric Griffindor would have taught this subject when he was alive and working at the school.

Feel free to drill holes in to my theory tare it apart and so on. Just let me know what you think.

;-)

Dumbledore can feel Tom's magic remember? So i think that Dumbledore would have noticed. I also want to remind everyone that the diary was going to Hogwarts and Tom brought ginny to the chamber. I think the diary is the horcrux at hogwarts.

Dumbledore can feel Tom's magic remember? So i think that Dumbledore would have noticed. I also want to remind everyone that the diary was going to Hogwarts and Tom brought ginny to the chamber. I think the diary is the horcrux at hogwarts.
Yes, the Diary was at Hogwarts. It's been destroyed, so it no longer has to be located.

Do you have any ideas for where the remaining 4 Horcruxes (Hufflepuff Cup, Slytherin Locket, Nagini and something of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor's) are hidden?

Sorry if this has been mentioned already because it seems to be an obvious guess, but sometimes I'm "late to the party" with things....

JKR said that Krum will be back in the final book, correct? Also, Beauxbatons and Durmstrang were prominently talked about in "Goblet". Perhaps there is a Horcrux by each of those schools? Or at least Durmstrang? Krum might help them in finding it.

Yes, the Diary was at Hogwarts. It's been destroyed, so it no longer has to be located.

Do you have any ideas for where the remaining 4 Horcruxes (Hufflepuff Cup, Slytherin Locket, Nagini and something of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor's) are hidden?
Ah, but my herbal friend, sometimes it is as important to know where something is NOT in the process of findign where it IS. The argument has been made that the diary was intended to end up at Hogwarts in the CoS, and therefore Voldemort would not have planted another one in Hogwarts.

I am not convinced of this, for several reasons. First, if the memory and the soulpiece were added separately, then the combination responded in ways that were unpredictable. Voldemort could not have been sure that his memory would have directed the diary back down into the Chamber, because he could not have anticipated an interaction between memory and soulpiece. Second, the Chamber could very readily be considered a separate location from the castle - at least as much as the Gaunt hovel is separate from the Riddle Manor or the graveyard, which are both also prominent suggestions. Third, the diary was always a fairly dicey venture, since there woudl be people trying to put a stop to any such attacks who might just find a way before the plan was completed (what if the basilisk had seen itself ina mirror, hm?)

I am sure that Harry, too, will follow up some dead ends on his way to the prizes.

Ah, but my herbal friend, sometimes it is as important to know where something is NOT in the process of findign where it IS. The argument has been made that the diary was intended to end up at Hogwarts in the CoS, and therefore Voldemort would not have planted another one in Hogwarts.

I am not convinced of this, for several reasons. First, if the memory and the soulpiece were added separately, then the combination responded in ways that were unpredictable. Voldemort could not have been sure that his memory would have directed the diary back down into the Chamber, because he could not have anticipated an interaction between memory and soulpiece. Second, the Chamber could very readily be considered a separate location from the castle - at least as much as the Gaunt hovel is separate from the Riddle Manor or the graveyard, which are both also prominent suggestions. Third, the diary was always a fairly dicey venture, since there woudl be people trying to put a stop to any such attacks who might just find a way before the plan was completed (what if the basilisk had seen itself ina mirror, hm?)

I am sure that Harry, too, will follow up some dead ends on his way to the prizes.
Yes, Diggle, my dear, I also believe that in as much as his choices for what the objects were will lead to what the unknown object is, so, too, will his known choices of locations give valuable insight to to the locales of those still hidden.

I also believe that the Chamber may still hold 1 hidden Horcrux. The Chamber itself held too great a prominence to Riddle for him to not have used it. It had too many built in protections - made by Slytherin himself. Also, JKR pluralized "secret" to Secrets. The Basilisk had to have had a food source for the 50+ years it was down there. How did the food get in? I don't think Myrtle was sending small animals down to the Basilisk for the past 50 years. I believe there is another way into the Chamber. Since Dumbledore didn't know about the entrance in the Girl's bathroom, it stands to reason that he wouldn't have known if another entrance existed.

Dumbledore can feel Tom's magic remember? So i think that Dumbledore would have noticed. I also want to remind everyone that the diary was going to Hogwarts and Tom brought ginny to the chamber. I think the diary is the horcrux at hogwarts.

oh come on... if dumbledor can't find somthing as large as the chamber of secrets. or infact what the room of requirement was (he thought it was a room filled with chamber pots) befor harry used it. than surely he may have missed this. Morover, i never heard hat ** could feel toms magic specificaly, simply he could recognise Toms style of magic. Anyway i didn't say that the horcrux was at hogwarts i said it WAS hogwarts (or part of it). A highly magical object, once owned by the founders, and extreemly dear to VM heart (if he has one) and somthing he would greatly like to posess.

Anyway i didn't say that the horcrux was at hogwarts i said it WAS hogwarts (or part of it). A highly magical object, once owned by the founders, and extreemly dear to VM heart (if he has one) and somthing he would greatly like to posess.

Yes I agree that Hogwarts could be a horcrux, or part of it. For the exact reasons you said, grand, of the 4 founders, partially dysfunctional, relevant to Voldie. As for it being a location, also why not? Tho' I think Voldie is the soul piece we will find there. I'm not big on the tiara. JK doesn't strike me as a tiara type of gal.

But this is tracking (which is why we say WHERE) not identifying (where we say WHAT). The distinction is a bit artificial.

I think the COS cave and the HBP cave had a lot of similarities. Both specifically magic places, no outside references, secret places only Harry (& select others) could penetrate. Also in books 2 & 6 for those of the chiasma (sp?) theory (or the books are mirroring around book 4 the center-piece). So I either think Harry will have to go back to BOTH places, or NEITHER place. If that makes any sense.

Voldemort was talking to Slughorn about specifically splitting his soul 7 times. Some can take this to mean actually splitting it 6 plus the piece of soul in his original body, or 7 plus the soul in his original body. I, personally, don't think Nagini is a horcrux. However amount of control Voldemort has over her, unusual or not, she is still an animal. If someone decides to just off her, Voldemort can not save her unless he is extremely quick at the hand (he probably is :P). He does seem to keep her close to him, but I still don't think so. Animals can die whenever, can't they? Unless being a horcrux somehow makes an animate person (or animal) immortal, since they have another bit of soul in them. But I don't think so. No, I think there are still three unidentified Horcruxes. Why? I have a list.

The KNOWN horcruxes are:
Riddle's Diary. DESTROYED
Marvolo's Ring. DESTROYED.
Merope's Locket. HIDDEN.

The GUESSES are:
Hufflepuff's Cup. UNKNOWN.
Nagini. WITH BIG V.
Something of Gryffindor or Ravenclaw's. UNKNOWN.

So, really, they only know of 3 horcruxes. And even further, only two are actually disposed of. Harry still needs to find and destroy the locket, figure out the rest of the Horcruxes, destry the rest of the horcruxes, and destroy Voldemort in the end. Now, Dumbledore could be wrong about the number of horcruxes as well, that is a new problem. Did Voldemort split his soul 6 times, making 7 whole pieces, or split it 7 times, making 8 whole pieces? I think that he split it 6. So, 3/6 we know about. The other three are unknown.

BUT.

Voldemort failed at making his last Horcrux. The spell that was supposed to kill Harry did not work. Did his soul split anyway? I don't think so. So, are there only 5 horcruxes? If so, did Voldemort manage to make his last horcrux after he regained power?

So many questions!

i'm not sure but i think Dumbledore belived that nagini was made a horcrux when Vm killed the Riddle's gardener at the begining of book 4. though i may be mistaken as Vm was extreemly weak at this piont of time (not having a proper body yet). However he was strong enough to Avada Kadavera the gardener himself.

The Basilisk had to have had a food source for the 50+ years it was down there. How did the food get in? I don't think Myrtle was sending small animals down to the Basilisk for the past 50 years. I believe there is another way into the Chamber. Since Dumbledore didn't know about the entrance in the Girl's bathroom, it stands to reason that he wouldn't have known if another entrance existed.

Interesting! How WAS the Basilisk fed?! On another note, I was thinking about how the horcruxes have been protected. If the the SS locket was protected by a potion, would it stand to reason that HH's cup might be protected by something related to herbology (Devil's snare or some such plant/tree)? In that case, RR's would protected by a charm/curse and GG's might be transfigured?

What leads me to believe that Nagini is a Horcrux is that her was able to see her attack on Mr. Weasley. There is some kind of mind link between Harry and Voldemort through Harry's scar. Apparently, that extends to pieces of Voldemort's soul not contained within his body.

I am firmly convinced that the R.A.B. who took the Slytherin locket from the cave is Regulus Black and that the locket found in the House of Black in OOTP is the said Slytherin locket. Harry doesn't want to go back to Sirius' house, but it looks like he will have to suck it up and just go.

I looked through the chapter in COS where Harry lands in Borgin & Burkes, but there was nothing to hint at any Horcruxes lying around.

There are 2 remaining inanimate Horcruxes in unknown locations: the cup of Hufflepuff and the unknown artifact of Ravenclaw. I'm assuming that the only artifacts of Godric Gryffindor are the sword and Sorting Hat, both of which are secured in the headmaster's office at Hogwarts.

Here is a question to ponder: if a Horcrux is located at Hogwarts, would it show up on the Marauder's Map as Voldemort?

I agree that the Slytherin locket was in the Black house. However, it certainly sounds like Mundungus has cleaned out the house. My guess is that he sells the locket and it ends up with a student who carries it into Hogwarts. I also think that Voldemort placed a Horcrux in Hogwarts, probably in the chamber of secrets, which he would consider to be very secure.

Of course, I suspect that two Horcurx's will be in Hogwarts in part because I think that Hogwarts will be open and that Harry will change his mind and go back to Hogwarts. I think plent of danger will find him in Hogwarts, and he won't have to leave Hogwarts alot to find exciting adventures.

7 planned obstacles then really 8
Dog, plant, chess, keys, troll, potions, mirror
Then Harry had to fight Quirrel, or Quirrel had to fight Harry, #8
(Harry didn't have to fight troll, but he had to fight Lockhart).

:blush: doh! Of course Lockhart is book 2. Doing too much time travel at my end.
Woke up realizing I'd made a mistake in my exam & on this board & had to correct at least one.

What leads me to believe that Nagini is a Horcrux is that her was able to see her attack on Mr. Weasley. There is some kind of mind link between Harry and Voldemort through Harry's scar. Apparently, that extends to pieces of Voldemort's soul not contained within his body.

But Voldemort was possessing Nagini at that time, so there were, if Nagini is a Horcrux, actually two pieces of his soul there, and Voldemort's body was one of them.

yes voldemort was possesing nagini at the tie of he attack.

about the basilisk needing food it could be in hibernation most of the time and wake up every once in a while then eat mice or whatever else wanders down there possibly eat its own skin if it got too desparate.

i dont see how a student would come to possess the locket i dont think theyd buy it more like their parents would and why would they give their child a locket that doesnt open and is heavy it is possible but there are still some rough spots.

So, really, they only know of 3 horcruxes. And even further, only two are actually disposed of. Harry still needs to find and destroy the locket, figure out the rest of the Horcruxes, destry the rest of the horcruxes, and destroy Voldemort in the end. Now, Dumbledore could be wrong about the number of horcruxes as well, that is a new problem. Did Voldemort split his soul 6 times, making 7 whole pieces, or split it 7 times, making 8 whole pieces? I think that he split it 6. So, 3/6 we know about. The other three are unknown.

BUT.

Voldemort failed at making his last Horcrux. The spell that was supposed to kill Harry did not work. Did his soul split anyway? I don't think so. So, are there only 5 horcruxes? If so, did Voldemort manage to make his last horcrux after he regained power?


what if voldemort made another horcrux to replace the diary? that would make it 5 horcruxes to destroy. tom riddle ask slughorn wouldnt it be better to have your soul in more places like 7, or something like that well if he made another horcrux to replace the diary his soul would technically still be in 7 different places unless you count hell or wherever his soul will go according to inividual religions. so he would get the bonus and have 6 horcruxes wouldnt he? it sounds like a good twist to me. now someone prove me wrong.

Well I have a theory that when the Adara Kadavra spell rebounded on Voldy, the pieces of his soul were ripped out of his body, and that is what destroyed his body, not the spell. Therefore if Voldy removes more than six pieces of his soul from his body, it will destroy his body. So even though Voldy knows that one of his horocruxes is destroyed, he will not risk making more.

Yes, Diggle, my dear, I also believe that in as much as his choices for what the objects were will lead to what the unknown object is, so, too, will his known choices of locations give valuable insight to to the locales of those still hidden.

I also believe that the Chamber may still hold 1 hidden Horcrux. The Chamber itself held too great a prominence to Riddle for him to not have used it. It had too many built in protections - made by Slytherin himself. Also, JKR pluralized "secret" to Secrets. The Basilisk had to have had a food source for the 50+ years it was down there. How did the food get in? I don't think Myrtle was sending small animals down to the Basilisk for the past 50 years. I believe there is another way into the Chamber. Since Dumbledore didn't know about the entrance in the Girl's bathroom, it stands to reason that he wouldn't have known if another entrance existed.True but what was the Chamber designed for, could it contain the remains of Salazar or some part of Salazar's soul (a potential horcrux of Salazar, long shot but possible). I do think there might still be a horcrux in the Chamber but my question is who the horcrux belongs to, is it Voldemorts or Salazars? I think the dark ceiling is like the dark water of the lake and Tom did kill more than just Myrtle that year, he killed the Riddle family, so he could have made another horcrux. I think Dumbledore had become so pre-occupide with the diary being a horcrux that he did not focus enough on the Chamber of Secrets itself and missed another one in the process.

I am not sure but could Tom have stumbled onto one of Salazar's horcruxes and that horcrux now lies in Voldemort. Horcruxes can control others, just look at the way Tom's younger horcrux controlled Ginny. Tom loved anything to do with the school, a weakness that someone like Salazar could use and manipulate. By the way this is one of my whacky ideas but it goes with what Dumbledore mentioned about it being dangerous to place a horcrux in a living thing as it can wonder about and has free will.

One possibility that should be considered is that the sword of Godric Gryffindor is a Horcrux. Maybe Voldemort made it when he visited Dumbledore's office to interview for the Defense Against the Dark Arts teching position. This also presupposes that Voldemort had murdered someone shortly before arriving.

This is consistent with Voldemort putting pieces of his soul in artifacts belonging to the Hogwarts founders. Voldemort would also feel the satisfaction of hiding a Horcrux in plain sight right under Dumbledore's nose. The only problem is that Voldemort would have some difficulty getting into the office to retrieve the sword.

It has already been mentioned that the locket that could not be opened from the glass cabinet in Book 5, found while they were cleaning, is possibly Slytherin's locket containing a horcrux. One, it is a locket, and two it matches the description that it was heavy and thick. The fact that it could not be opened may indicate that it is magically sealed.

I was wondering if it has been mentioned that the initials RAB are likely that of Sirius's brother, Regulus Black. I've had a look around but have not seen it mentioned, and it would match up. Regulus was a Death Eater, and Sirius said his brother backed out and was murdered most likely on Voldamort's orders. His body is claimed by his family, and he had the locket on him, or with his personal possesions, and it just gets stuffed into the glass display case without its actual importance being discovered.

In which case, the locket is in the bag with the rest of the rubbish, unless this is a MASSIVE coincidence that a dark magic family, with a member already introduced into the stories, with initials R?B, and a Death Eater, and we know he got cold feet from Sirius (which would fit with the message in the fake locket, he may have found out a secret of Voldamort's that repulsed him, so he may have taken the locket to try and weaken Voldamort by destroying it to make up for his actions as a Death Eater), has got nothing to do with the plot.

The question then comes, where did the rubbish go. It can't be taken to the local dump. My money is on Mundungus. Harry meets Mundungus in Hogsmead, and sees that Mundungus is stealing Black's heirlooms. It would make sence that instead of letting the rubbish get chucked out, he would have stolen it, no one would have noticed as rubbish that disapears is not likely to arouse suspicion.

As for Gryfindor's sword, I think we can be 99% sure it is not a Horcrux. It was hidden in the Sorting Hat, so Riddle may not have known it was there, and he would not have a lot of access to the hat, as it is kept in the Headmasters office. However as a Head Boy he may have been able to sneak in. Once he left, the period where he made most of his Horcrux, he had nearly no access, as Dumbledore kept an eye on him the onylt ime he actually returned. Also Dumbledore said only a true Gryfindor could pull the sword out of the hat. This is not to say that the sword could not be extracted by powerful magic, but there would have been save gaurds against this, to ensure the sword ended up in the hands of people Gryfindor would have thought worthy of his house. Additionally Dumbledore had the sword in his posession for several years, and even if he thought it was not a Horcrux, he would have tested it just in case, but he clearly says it is not a Horcrux, and so I think we can take it as fact.

But I may be wrong.

Erm, yeah, there's an entire thread on RAB = Regulus. I think it's on version 7 already :wow: You'll find more variations there than you can shake a wand at. :rolleyes:

I wonder if perhaps Mundingus was not stealing the things but delivering them to Aberforth to sort through on Albus Dumbledore's orders. Here's the idea - at the beginning of OOTP Albus already knows that he is looking for horcruxes. He knows there is more than one because one got destroyed in CoS and yet, Voldemort regenerated anyway, and also because Voldy told the Death Eaters he had gone further than anyone on the quest for immortality. The Black house was not just a realconvenient place to hide Sirius and use as the HQ of the Order - it also was the repository of the heirlooms of a family totally steeped in dark magic. Thus, the cleaning of the house was not just to make it safer for those living and visiting there; it also was the excuse to remove it from the house. Mundungus could then have been charged with the responsibility of taking out the trash. He could be offered the following deal 'take all the discards to Aberforth and let him sort through it all. He will keep some things, but most he will not. Whatever he does not keep, you can take and sell, melt down, whatever you want. But EVERY object must be cleared by Aberforth.' Then Aberforth's role would be to sort through all those things for possible horcruxes. This way, Albus gets all those nasty things out of there and gets them checked for being horcruxes without the rest of the Order being any the wiser. Even Mundungus need not know why he takes things to Aberforth - just that he gets to keep the leftovers so long as he lets Aberforth sort through EVERY piece of discard.

Doubt it. The only reason we know Aberforth ever existed is that single picture that Mad Eye showed Harry, and that is the only time he is even mentioned. Mad Eye himself said that was the only time he ever met Aberforth, implying something happened to him, it is not stated, but where did he go, he just disapeared. So Aberforth thus far has occupied 10 seconds out of hundreds of hours of text. But I think that Aberforth may come into play in book 7, either as being alive and active in the story, maybe Harry meets him, or he is dead and as such the story of his death aids the story. Or possibly not at all, but I think the way Mad Eye says thats the only time he met him, and does not say what happened to him is an indication he is important, every other person in the picture is either alive, or Mad Eye told Harry how they died.

Also Dumbledore told Harry about the Horcrux, what they were, that he was searching for them, how they must be destroyed in order to kill Voldamort. Fine he told Harry in book 6 about the Horcrux and this is book 5, but if Dumbledore wanted to search the house, he would simply have told Harry it was a matter of importance and told Harry he woudl explain later, as in the end Harry must kill Voldamort, and Dumbledore was very determined in book 6 to give Harry as much information as he could, there is no reason why he would have not told Harry about the search.

Also Mundungus inquired about the cups at the start of book 5 in a greedy way, and Sirius told him it was finest goblin cups. Its obvious from that scene that Mundungus wanted to steal them.

And Harry found Mundungus with the cups a year and a half after the cleaning took place, the Horcrux are very important, Dumbledore would not have waited over a year to investigate them.

Also the cups have no magical properties, or historical importance (even though they are Black heirlooms, they are not items of legend). They are also not unique. Voldamort could have put his soul into any number of items that have been massed produced, but he wanted to put them in unique special things, 1 out of a douzen cups used to drink water out of would not have been special, and they would have been benith him. Once he put his soul in a Horcrux, he did not use it anymore, Gawnt's ring he took off his finger and hid, he did not want to use them after they became Horcrux, and would not have allowed anybody else to use them.

Also thus far the Horcrux have been hidden in places with powerful magical protections. The diary is an exception, he intended for it to be read and used, so he could not protect that. However the ring and fake locket were hidden and protected by powerful magic to prevent them from being taken. The other items I would believe would have been protected by other magic, and so not left lyign around.

Also the cups are rightfully Harry's. The cleaning never chucked them out, it was only the dark arts stuff really, and stuff linked to the Blacks. The cups did have the black crest on them, but they are not so obviously Black in origin as the tapestry for example, or the picture of his mother, very powerful reminders of the Black family. Dumbledore may have searched the house, however there is no evidence that the Blacks were involved with the Horcrux, he would have had no reason to do so, and even if he did he would have done it himself and he would not have trusted anybody with a Horcrux bar himself, but at the end he would have left everything there as long as its not dangerous for Harry to decide what to do, as Harry had inherited them.

The Basilisk had to have had a food source for the 50+ years it was down there. How did the food get in? I don't think Myrtle was sending small animals down to the Basilisk for the past 50 years. I believe there is another way into the Chamber. Since Dumbledore didn't know about the entrance in the Girl's bathroom, it stands to reason that he wouldn't have known if another entrance existed.

Wasn't there rat bones at the bottom of the chamber. I think it was eating rats. And besides the reason dumbledore couldn't find the entrance to the chamber was that no-one could reach the chamber unless they were paseltounge.

Doubt it. The only reason we know Aberforth ever existed is that single picture that Mad Eye showed Harry, and that is the only time he is even mentioned. Mad Eye himself said that was the only time he ever met Aberforth, implying something happened to him, it is not stated, but where did he go, he just disapeared. So Aberforth thus far has occupied 10 seconds out of hundreds of hours of text. But I think that Aberforth may come into play in book 7, either as being alive and active in the story, maybe Harry meets him, or he is dead and as such the story of his death aids the story. Or possibly not at all, but I think the way Mad Eye says thats the only time he met him, and does not say what happened to him is an indication he is important, every other person in the picture is either alive, or Mad Eye told Harry how they died.



J.K has said that Aberforth is the owner of the hog's head

I am not convinced of this, for several reasons. First, if the memory and the soulpiece were added separately, then the combination responded in ways that were unpredictable. Voldemort could not have been sure that his memory would have directed the diary back down into the Chamber, because he could not have anticipated an interaction between memory and soulpiece. Second, the Chamber could very readily be considered a separate location from the castle - at least as much as the Gaunt hovel is separate from the Riddle Manor or the graveyard, which are both also prominent suggestions. Third, the diary was always a fairly dicey venture, since there woudl be people trying to put a stop to any such attacks who might just find a way before the plan was completed (what if the basilisk had seen itself ina mirror, hm?)

I am sure that Harry, too, will follow up some dead ends on his way to the prizes.
I'm pretty sure that the soulpiece is the horcrux. That Voldemort's soul was able to talk to ginny through the diary. After all voldemort created it when he was 16 after he killed his dad and grandparents. He would have tranced whoever was writing in the diary to go to the chamber as he did Ginny.

Wasn't there rat bones at the bottom of the chamber. I think it was eating rats. And besides the reason dumbledore couldn't find the entrance to the chamber was that no-one could reach the chamber unless they were paseltounge.
Interestingly, though, a snake would not have left droppings containing rodent skeletons or skulls as Ron and Harry found down there. Somehow rodents were getting in, some of them were no doubt getting eaten, but others were dying without being eaten. Unless, of course, as with most things involving science and maths, Jo was not attending to detail.

Interestingly, though, a snake would not have left droppings containing rodent skeletons or skulls as Ron and Harry found down there..
Why not? What does snake do-do look like? *cough* for tracking purposes, of Nagini, of course.

Similar to bird droppings only less runny.

Can anyone help me out here. I have not had time to re-read the HBP and was wondering where and when Voldemort picked up the locket. Was it one of the two items he stole or did Merope leave baby Tom the locket as it was a Slytherin heir lume. When did Tom make the locket into a horcrux if he did at all?

Posted by Tane
Can anyone help me out here. I have not had time to re-read the HBP and was wondering where and when Voldemort picked up the locket. Was it one of the two items he stole or did Merope leave baby Tom the locket as it was a Slytherin heir lume. When did Tom make the locket into a horcrux if he did at all
Hi Tane, its been a while! Yes the locket was mentioned. Helga Hufflepuff had it, along with Hufflepuffs cup. Tom killed her and stole it the next day. Hope that helps.

Helga Hufflepuff had it, along with Hufflepuffs cup. Tom killed her and stole it the next day. Hope that helps.

Didn't Hezibah have it. I thought Merope gave the locket to Bogin. Borgin sold it to Hezibah and TOm killed her and stole the locket and the cup.

Posted by austentein
Didn't Hezibah have it. I thought Merope gave the locket to Bogin. Borgin sold it to Hezibah and TOm killed her and stole the locket and the cup.

I meant to say Hepzibah, sorry. I just remembered she was a descendant of Helga and got them confused, but yeah, she had it and Tom killed her.

I meant to say Hepzibah, sorry. I just remembered she was a descendant of Helga and got them confused, but yeah, she had it and Tom killed her.Thanks that helps a lot, so Voldemort stole the locket after it was sold by Borgin hence it could not have been any help to him while at Hogwarts. Well there goes the idea that the locket might have contained Salazar's horcrux. The Chamber of Secrets on the other hand could contain either a horcrux of Salazar unless the horcrux was transfered to Tom or that the Chamber might contain one of Voldemort's horcruxes. I still think we will be going back to that chamber as the Diary Tom might not have known about any Horcrux placed in the chamber later on by himself.

Thanks for the help.

I doubt Salazar would have a horcrux. If so i think we would have had some hints about it. ANd since Slytherin's goal was to rid Hogwarts of all mudb****s i think he would have either opened the chamber of secrets or tried to clean hogworts in some way.

Well, if the locket at Grimmauld place mentioned in OotP is the horcrux locket, I think that it would still be with Kreacher. When the locket is mentioned, Sirius is undiscriminantly throwing stuff into the garbage. Kreacher walks into the room during this scene. If he stole it, he probably brought it to his den, which Mundungus likely does not know about.

I like this idea just because it would bring Kreacher back into the story and I'd like the house elf subplots to come back.

Well, if the locket at Grimmauld place mentioned in OotP is the horcrux locket, I think that it would still be with Kreacher. When the locket is mentioned, Sirius is undiscriminantly throwing stuff into the garbage. Kreacher walks into the room during this scene. If he stole it, he probably brought it to his den, which Mundungus likely does not know about.I agree...and I have noted that JK used the same phrase for theft---whether by Tom Riddle or Kreacher---it's called "magpie-like".

I believe that the locket remains in Kreacher's bedroom at 12 Grimmauld Place, London.

Regarding Salazar Slytherin and a Horcrux...were he to have had one, and it was intact, then he'd still be alive today. It was rumored that the Heir of Slytherin would open the Chamber of Secrets, not Slytherin himself. We know that Nicholas and Perenelle Flamel lived for many years with the aid of the Philosopher's Stone...surely someone would realize & recognize old 'Serpent Tongue' were he to be rattling about for centuries...

[QUOTE=Rell]Well, if the locket at Grimmauld place mentioned in OotP is the horcrux locket, I think that it would still be with Kreacher. When the locket is mentioned, Sirius is undiscriminantly throwing stuff into the garbage. Kreacher walks into the room during this scene. If he stole it, he probably brought it to his den, which Mundungus likely does not know about. [QUOTE]

I like the idea but i am guessing that when Mundungus gave the stuff to Aberforth it ended up in the Hog's head. Maybe, like was mentioned before, to check for dark objects. Why else would J.K put Mundungus into HBP if not for a reason in book 7.

ok this is wat i think about the locket that was hidden in the caze where R.A.B left the note so check this out.....
What if Regulus Black was able to get into the cave, grab the Horcrux Locket, put it around his neck, but never get out alive? Let's take a passage from Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince before I continue [pp. 565-566]:
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"Professor?" he said finally. "Do you think the Horcrux is here?"
"Oh yes," said Dumbledore. "Yes, I'm sure it is. The question is, how do we get to it?"
"We couldn't... we couldn't just try a Summoning Charm?" Harry said...
"Certainly we could," said Dumbledore, stopping so suddenly that Harry almost walked into him. "Why don't you do it?"
"Me? Oh... okay..."
Harry had not expected this, but cleared his throat and said, loudly, wand aloft, "Accio Horcrux!"
With a noise like an explosion, something very large and pale erupted out of the dark water some twenty feet away; before Harry could see what it was, it had vanished again with a crashing splash that made great, deep ripples on the mirrored surface. Harry leapt backward in shock and hit the wall; his heart was still thundering as he turned to Dumbledore.
"What was that?"
"Something, I think, that is ready to respond should we attempt to seize the Horcrux."

After the shock:

"Professor?"
"Yes, Harry?"
"Do you think we're going to have to go into the lake?"
"Into it? Only if we are very unfortunate."
"You don't think the Horcrux is at the bottom?"
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I later learn that 'that something' was a dead, or undead, person reacting to Harry's "Summoning Charm".so doesnt this all make sense, i know i porbably wrong but this is the best deffination i found about the missing locket. (reply thoughts)

[QUOTE=Rell]Well, if the locket at Grimmauld place mentioned in OotP is the horcrux locket, I think that it would still be with Kreacher. When the locket is mentioned, Sirius is undiscriminantly throwing stuff into the garbage. Kreacher walks into the room during this scene. If he stole it, he probably brought it to his den, which Mundungus likely does not know about. [QUOTE]

[QUOTE=austinein] I like the idea but i am guessing that when Mundungus gave the stuff to Aberforth it ended up in the Hog's head. Maybe, like was mentioned before, to check for dark objects. Why else would J.K put Mundungus into HBP if not for a reason in book 7.
That's not what I'm saying. I don't think that Mundungus ever had the locket at all. He stole a lot of stuff from Grimmauld place, but it's a big place which lots of corners that contain valubal objects. I don't think that he ever found Kreachers den, where Kreacher kept his salvaged objects.

oh okay i sure hope harry checks there

ok this is wat i think about the locket that was hidden in the caze where R.A.B left the note so check this out.....
What if Regulus Black was able to get into the cave, grab the Horcrux Locket, put it around his neck, but never get out alive? Let's take a passage from Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince before I continue [pp. 565-566]:
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"Professor?" he said finally. "Do you think the Horcrux is here?"
"Oh yes," said Dumbledore. "Yes, I'm sure it is. The question is, how do we get to it?"
"We couldn't... we couldn't just try a Summoning Charm?" Harry said...
"Certainly we could," said Dumbledore, stopping so suddenly that Harry almost walked into him. "Why don't you do it?"
"Me? Oh... okay..."
Harry had not expected this, but cleared his throat and said, loudly, wand aloft, "Accio Horcrux!"
With a noise like an explosion, something very large and pale erupted out of the dark water some twenty feet away; before Harry could see what it was, it had vanished again with a crashing splash that made great, deep ripples on the mirrored surface. Harry leapt backward in shock and hit the wall; his heart was still thundering as he turned to Dumbledore.
"What was that?"
"Something, I think, that is ready to respond should we attempt to seize the Horcrux."

After the shock:

"Professor?"
"Yes, Harry?"
"Do you think we're going to have to go into the lake?"
"Into it? Only if we are very unfortunate."
"You don't think the Horcrux is at the bottom?"
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I later learn that 'that something' was a dead, or undead, person reacting to Harry's "Summoning Charm".so doesnt this all make sense, i know i porbably wrong but this is the best deffination i found about the missing locket. (reply thoughts)

I surely do like this new twist:drool: but what could it mean for the future? What doesn't seem to help your theory is Dumbledore saying Voldemort would want to keep the finder alive long enough to find out how he obtained the horcrux. Therefore, if your theory was true in some sense then Voldemort should have found the horcrux on the body of RAB in the water and so removed it and returned it or taken it to a new location OR the body of RAB is somewhere in the cave semi living waiting for Voldemort to return ie no leaping body with horcrux hanging from neck to be found:p ...but then that's just my take on it:D

Your theory sparked a thought though, regarding the toll Dumbledore took retrieving the horcrux in the first place. How did RAB do it, and if he did leave the cave where did he go? He must have drank the potion to get to the horcrux and so his symptoms should theoretically be the same. As we don't know if Dumbledore would have died from the potion in the end, death is not sure, but RAB must have needed help or medical treatment, same as Dumbledore needed Snape's expertise. Solving that could solve the location of missing locket. Alas, we need the identity of Mr. RAB to solve that one:lol:

ok this is wat i think about the locket that was hidden in the caze where R.A.B left the note so check this out.....
What if Regulus Black was able to get into the cave, grab the Horcrux Locket, put it around his neck, but never get out alive? Let's take a passage from Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince before I continue [pp. 565-566]:
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"Professor?" he said finally. "Do you think the Horcrux is here?"
"Oh yes," said Dumbledore. "Yes, I'm sure it is. The question is, how do we get to it?"
"We couldn't... we couldn't just try a Summoning Charm?" Harry said...
"Certainly we could," said Dumbledore, stopping so suddenly that Harry almost walked into him. "Why don't you do it?"
"Me? Oh... okay..."
Harry had not expected this, but cleared his throat and said, loudly, wand aloft, "Accio Horcrux!"
With a noise like an explosion, something very large and pale erupted out of the dark water some twenty feet away; before Harry could see what it was, it had vanished again with a crashing splash that made great, deep ripples on the mirrored surface. Harry leapt backward in shock and hit the wall; his heart was still thundering as he turned to Dumbledore.
"What was that?"
"Something, I think, that is ready to respond should we attempt to seize the Horcrux."

After the shock:

"Professor?"
"Yes, Harry?"
"Do you think we're going to have to go into the lake?"
"Into it? Only if we are very unfortunate."
"You don't think the Horcrux is at the bottom?"
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I later learn that 'that something' was a dead, or undead, person reacting to Harry's "Summoning Charm".so doesnt this all make sense, i know i porbably wrong but this is the best deffination i found about the missing locket. (reply thoughts)
you should read the first few posts from the thread The Potion Dumbledore Drank Definitly Not Green or something like that it backs your theory up

edit: ahh i found it here http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=79218The Potion Dumbledore Drank - Clearly Not Green
it is a good read if nothing else. i dont actually believe that regulus is in the lake because sirius said he was killed by death eaters and the death eaters dont know of the horcruxes and they would report back to voldemort and voldemort would have his horcruxes checked which he obviously hasnt done considering the note and fake locket are still there.
if you read the thread it suggests that the lake water is a draught of living death potion (puts you to sleep) from its discription and something dumbledore says.

i believe that if R.A.B. is regulus then kreacher managed to fight off the inferi and or drag regulus back to the boat remember house elves have a very powerful brand of magic of their own and kreacher was loyal to regulus. or regulus was smart enough not to drink the water and dragged himself back to the boat then once safely out of the cave called for kreacher to aid him and they appeared at grimmauld place where he was cornered by death eaters and killed either before or after he destroyed the original locket.

and dumbledore saying that voldemort would want to keep the intruder alive benefits the theory if the water is the potion.

I really like the body holding the horcrux in the bottom of the lake idea. It's been discussed also in the RAB threads, but of course it is also Tracking too. I think Harry may have to go back into the cave - and how cool & creepy that would be.

i really think he might go back into the cave like you were saying that would be cool i think its really a wild card factor in this

if the horcrux is at the bottom of the lake though then R.A.B. cant be regulus because we know that regulus was killed by death eaters after defecting so either R.A.B. is not regulus and it is at the bottom or R.A.B. is regulus and the horcrux is then wherever it is after mundungus sacked the house.

I can't be bothered to read 54 pages of where the Horcruxes may be, so I'll post what I wrote in a different thread (totally oblivious to this one...i've been up for 24 hours!!!)

I was just thinking, we know where the locket is!

It's in Sirius Black's House (and thus BELONGS to Harry).

In the fifth book, J.K. Rowling makes mention of a locket and made it seem rather unimportant, because Harry wasn't fixed on it for any amount of time. I think he just tossed it aside or something like that.

In any case, the way this ties in is that R.A.B. could easily be Sirius Black's brother Regulus (somethingthatstartswithanA) Black. It would make sense for him to take it to the house where his mother's portrait still hangs, right? And where her conniving house elf, Kreatcher.

Seems rock solid to me.

It's funny how some of the things we search for the hardest are right under our noses!

OK, I apologize if I'm repeating stuff from earlier posts, but 51 pages is a lot of reading and I only have a little time. But according to Dumbledore, we have Voldy himself, and six horcruxes.

Horcrux 1 - the Diary - destroyed.
Horcrux 2 - the ring - destroyed.
Horcrux 3 - the cup - ?
Horcrux 4 - the locket - likely either destroyed by Regulus Black, or in the possession of Mundungus or Kreacher today.
Horcruxes 5 and 6 are unknown at this time.

Candidates:

Nagini - possible. Some evidence in that Harry saw through the eyes of Nagini when he bit Mr. Weasley, which would make sense if Nagini had a bit of Voldy's soul in her. BUT from a close reading of GOF, it seems like Harry saw the killing of Frank Bryce from Nagini's eyes as well - he saw Voldy when the chair turned, which he wouldn't have done if he was seeing thru Voldy himself. So his connection to Nagini could simply have to do with the fact that Voldy has possessed her, and left some essence of himself (but not a Horcrux in a formal sense).

Harry's scar. Obviously, if it is a Horcrux, it was made accidentally. Voldy went to Godric's Hollow, evidently with some object in mind with which to make a Horcrux off of Harry's death. He wouldn't want to encase a bit of his soul in the body of someone he needed to kill. But maybe, because the killing curse bounced off, Harry was somehow made an "Accidental Horcrux." Also, notice, Voldy seems to have stopped trying to kill Harry after book Five. He pretty much left him alone in HBP, didn't he, and Snape told the Death Eater to leave him for Voldy. So, recognizing his connection with Harry, perhaps Voldy now realizes Harry is another Horcrux. He's put his people on order to leave Harry alone until he can figure out what to do about that. I think this is pretty likely, actually.

Something of Gryffindor's: If he could find something of Gryffindor's, he'd definitely have wanted to use it. Perhaps something at Godric's HOllow will turn up as a likely candidate. But my guess is he didn't get to use it. Harry was made a Horcrux off his mother's or father's death.

Something of Ravenclaw's: That one is another "iffy" prospect. Nobody has any obviously strong candidates that I can see.

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On the chance that there are two horcrux clues out there:

Magic Beasts & Where to Find Them
Quiddich Through the Ages

Magic Beasts re Nagini
I suggested that QTTA could be both a time travel clue and also hold the Ravenclaw possible, ie.a broomstick.

I like the Snitch, but it was invented after, in 1492 by Bowman Wright.
But it turns out before the snitch they used a Snidget... a small golden bird .... ???
SurryPotter, where are you??? She proposed, canon-free, a golden bird as Ravenclaw's object.
and Snidgets are now kept in preserves. Not jam - nature sanctuaries.
Where are these sanctuaries? Please say a field in Surrey!!

In book 5 when Harry and the "cleaning crew" came across the locket, they tossed it aside. They were trying to clean the house of useless things, and if they tossed it aside, they could have found it useless. If that is the case, isn't there a chance they threw it away? That would mean, if it was a horcrux, it would no longer be in Grimmauld place, meaning Harry is going to have to go on one heck of a hunt to find it! :D

No way! If he has to go on hunts like that, the book will end up fatter than OotP and I thought JKR said that was the peak.

The locket is either in Kreacher's den or with Mundungus.

Like some others, i don't belive that there is a horcrux in the RoR. I simply think it would be too unlike Voldemort just to place his precious horcrux in this room where students from all times have been throwing things just to get rid of them. Voldemort is very proud, and he shows this in the way he saves his horcruxes. Some might say, that it would be a trick from Voldemort - because no one would think that he would hide a horcrux in the RoR. To that matter i must point out, that Voldemort belive him as the only one who knows the existance of the horcruxes. Therefore this seems quite unlikely.

I also like the idea of The Mirror Of Erised being a horcrux for several reasons:
First of all it's an item that we have seen earlier in the books. At that time it was a thing that Harry became almost addicted to, and he was in a way captured without having the strength to refuse looking into the mirror. We must also remember that the mirror was used when Harry fought Voldemort in the first book. This could be a symbol? What do you think?

I like the Snitch, but it was invented after, in 1492 by Bowman Wright.
But it turns out before the snitch they used a Snidget... a small golden bird .... ???
SurryPotter, where are you??? She proposed, canon-free, a golden bird as Ravenclaw's object.
and Snidgets are now kept in preserves. Not jam - nature sanctuaries.
Where are these sanctuaries? Please say a field in Surrey!!]
i dont know about a bird animals die and are susceptible to many things like diseases and predators and i know nagini is proof that he sometimes uses animals but he keeps nagini with him at almost all times and he may have put a spell on her to let her live longer or long enough to defeat harry.
and how would you know which bird there could be 20-30 in the zoo area or in a field in surry and tracking down specific ones would take too long this is supposed to be shorter than OOTP
and then what would give harry a reason to suspect that the bird would be in a feild in surry we have our reasons but how would harry think of it we have many minds working on the problem and in the books we see things that harry doesnt notice i think it is too much of a long shot for the bird a broomstick sounds fine though

I tried to name all places that Voldemort can find worth enough to place his horcruxes. First we had diary which was given to Lucius who was supposed to take it to Hogwarts. What happened but not as planed. To Voldemort Hogwarts is place where ancient magic is stored and also place where he felt like at home. So no wonder he wanted to place his horcrux there. Second is locket. He placed it in cave where he done something to that children. That's place where he used his magic and felt victorious and he wanted to mark it as his battlefield. (I do not count moving it because it was not done by Voldemort but R.A.B. done it). Third, ring which was found by Dumbledore and destroyed by his hand which was blackened because of some sort of strong spell. It was placed in Gaunt's house, descendant of Salazar Slytherin. Voldemort put ring back where it belonged and I suppose he also put some kind of spell that was connected with this house. Just like Harry. Harry has to go back every time to his aunt and uncle because of the protection. Maybe that's why it was strong becouse it was back in place where lived LV's predcessors. And also it is important because Salazar was one of founders and this was place where Voldemort wanted to show that his horcrux belong with his ancestors (ego stuff). Four more. Cup, something G/R, Nagini and Voldemort. I didn't include Harry because I want to discuss only things that are already metioned. As you see I follow **'s conclusions. We can discuss about wether we should trust him or not but that is metter of trust and I choose to trust Dumbledore. Why? He is wise, almost always right and he worked on this thing for a very long time. I think he never believed that Voldemort was dead, and he tried to find out why he is not dead from the moment AV rebounced.
I thought of places that were already mentioned in books and that Voldemort visited.
Hepzibah's house
Riddle' hose
Orphanage
Borgin and Burkes
Godric Hollow
I think he would take back cup to his family, to Hpzibah's house. After all she is a descendant of Helga Hufflepuff, another founder. It is like trophy and we know that Voldemort loves trophies.
Borgin and Burks is not so safe for a horcrux to be placed. It's shop and because of that who knows where it could end up. No, not there.
Godric Hollow? I doubt. Maybe he wanted to place a horcrux there after he finishes with Harry who is his equal and that would mean that he is greatest wizard and that ofcourse is not true. :)
We are left with two places, orphanage and Riddle's house and three horcruxes, Voldemort, Nagini and something G/R. Voldemort and Nagini are always together and I'll place them in Riddle's house. In fourth book that is place where Voldemort stayed and we don't know if he changed his mind and left.
Orphanage and Something of G/R. Orphanage is place where Voldemort killed that rabbit. Maybe he hates it but he had to go back every year and he had time to do more misdeeds.
It is possible that there are othere places that we know not and Harry too. This means that Harry will need more help, maybe from Aberforth or Snape. :)

On the chance that there are two horcrux clues out there:

Magic Beasts & Where to Find Them
Quiddich Through the Ages

I like the Snitch, but it was invented after, in 1492 by Bowman Wright.
But it turns out before the snitch they used a Snidget... a small golden bird .... ???
SurryPotter, where are you??? She proposed, canon-free, a golden bird as Ravenclaw's object.
and Snidgets are now kept in preserves. Not jam - nature sanctuaries.
Where are these sanctuaries? Please say a field in Surrey!!
I've got Quidditch Through the Ages and it says the addition of Snidget-hunting during Quidditch matches was also a post-founder era invention (1269).

I thought of places that were already mentioned in books and that Voldemort visited.
Hepzibah's house
Riddle' house
Orphanage
Borgin and Burkes
Godric Hollow
There is also a field in the countryside where Tommy was approached by snakes with whom he then conversed--the place he "practiced" Parseltongue. He must have been in Ollivander's shop to get his wand, though compared to the other places, he probably didn't spend much time there (no real reason to return there if one doesn't need a new wand). We know Tommymort visited the Hog's Head pub in Hogsmeade, at least long enough to drop off his cronies before heading to his job interview with Albus. Presumably he spent some time in Hogsmeade as a student. And he must have gone to the Leaky Cauldron, if only to access Diagon (and no doubt Knockturn even before he started working at Borgin&Burkes) Alley. And you already mentioned Hogwarts, the seaside cave and the Gaunt hovel. Probably should add Platform 9 3/4, too, as Tommy must have taken the Hogwarts Express to school...I've got Quidditch Through the Ages and it says the addition of Snidget-hunting during Quidditch matches was also a post-founder era invention (1269).Prior to being added to the game of Quidditch, Snidgets were hunted "in the wild" so to speak, though it wasn't "popular" until around 1100. It would have been much more difficult, perhaps, without flying brooms.

Suppose, for a moment, that Rowena's greatest achievement was the invention of the flying broomstick (known to have occurred by 962 CE). Perhaps that first flying broom did not survive the next 1000 years and therefore was unavailable as a horcrux item. What game using flying broomsticks became most popular? Quidditch, of course! What could possibly be the oldest metal artifact associated with the game? The Golden Snitch? Apparently so. A "private collector" has inventor Bowman Wright's rolls of parchment "listing the orders that he had received from all over the country", but no mention is made of where the first Snitch might be (nor any way that it might be distinguished from any other Golden Snitch). So maybe, just maybe, Voldemort--who could not find a Ravenclaw relic--chose the next best option, something associated with Rowena's most popular invention...

Eh, that's a lot of supposition, though. Nothing in [i]Quidditch Through the Ages suggests that the Museum of Quidditch in London had any items stolen (like their oldest broom or oldest known Snitch, for instance) and there is no hint of who invented the flying broomstick. If Rowena had truly invented the flying broomstick, surely it should be common knowledge or at least suggested somewhere. We only know the founders were famous witches and wizards even before founding Hogwarts...and nothing, really, to say why they were famous/renowned.

I belive it quite unlikely that Voldemort should have placed a horcrux in either Hogsmeade, Diagonalley or The Leaky Cauldron. I belive these places have been used to hide horcruxes:
Diary - In Hogwarts. Destroyed
Ring - In Gaunt hovel. Destroyed.
Locket - In the cave. Hopefully destroyed.
Cup - In the house where he took it.
Thing of Ravenclaws , if it is the mirror of Erised - Hogwarts.
Nagini - Close to voldemort.
Voldemort - well, quite obvious.

If the mirror of Erised is a horcrux i belive it to be placed at Hogwarts for one obvious reason. Voldemort belives that he is above all others, and i think it would seem natural for him to place a horcrux in the school because he can sort of "cheat" everyone. No one would realise that they live under the same roof as a part of Voldemorts soul.
A thing i don't understand about Voldemort is his way of handeling the horcruxes. He seemed quite easy with his diary - it didn't seem so important to him to "keep" it whereas the locket and the ring was protected by several curses. Can anyone help me understand? I belive that understanding Voldermorts feelings about his horcruxes is essential if we want to find out where he has been hiding them :)

Ginger -

A thing i don't understand about Voldemort is his way of handeling the horcruxes. He seemed quite easy with his diary - it didn't seem so important to him to "keep" it whereas the locket and the ring was protected by several curses. Can anyone help me understand? I belive that understanding Voldermorts feelings about his horcruxes is essential if we want to find out where he has been hiding them :)

I believe Dumbledore explained this to Harry. He said that when he saw that LV was quite easygoing with his diary, it made him suspicious that probably there were more than one horcrux. So that may be the very reason why LV does not seem all that worked up about the diary. Maybe he thinks that it is worthwhile to place the diary at Hogwarts so that he can open the CoS and complete Salazar Slytherin's 'noble' work.

Man, how long have i been gone... 2months??? 3??? And you guys r still discussing thr same topic, debating about the same places have have been discussing months ago.

Anyway... JKR said Sorting HAt is not a horcrux!!! Woohoo!!! I was right all along. YES!!!

Now about the fate of the locket mentioned in OotP. In HBP we saw Mungdungus showing a briefcase full of siverware to the barman of the Hogshead. And Harry mentioned that Sirius never liked those silverwares. but here is the problem, werent all the silverares we saw in OotP thrown out possibly along with the locket? So if Mungdungus found the silverwares, or they were never even thrown away in the first place than it is entirely possible that Mungdungus still have the locket. And here is the worst case senario, the locket was sold by Mungdungus, and possibly somehow got into the hand of a DE. Dum dum duuuummmm.

And here is the worst case senario, the locket was sold by Mungdungus, and possibly somehow got into the hand of a DE. Dum dum duuuummmm.

Yeah you're right about that one... that would certanly be the worst thing that could happen, but on the other hand, some obsticles have got to arrive - Harry is not going to have an easy time .

Man, how long have i been gone... 2months??? 3??? And you guys r still discussing thr same topic, debating about the same places have have been discussing months ago.

Anyway... JKR said Sorting HAt is not a horcrux!!! Woohoo!!! I was right all along. YES!!!

Now about the fate of the locket mentioned in OotP. In HBP we saw Mungdungus showing a briefcase full of siverware to the barman of the Hogshead. And Harry mentioned that Sirius never liked those silverwares. but here is the problem, werent all the silverares we saw in OotP thrown out possibly along with the locket? So if Mungdungus found the silverwares, or they were never even thrown away in the first place than it is entirely possible that Mungdungus still have the locket. And here is the worst case senario, the locket was sold by Mungdungus, and possibly somehow got into the hand of a DE. Dum dum duuuummmm.
Or maybe there was just a lot of them kept in several places and not all of them got thrown out. I don't think that they ever finished going through the house.

Diary was LV's firts horcrux. First it was diary with memories of young Voldemort with intention to store powers to open the CoS and because it was a memory of descendant os Salazar Slytherin it was valuable to Voldemort, hence he turned it into horcrux. Voldemort gave diary to Lucius who was ordered to get it to Hogwarts. When Voldemort disappeared Lucius acted clumsily and diary was destroyed. After Voldemort came back he was furious with Lucius but he trusted him one more time but Lucius failed again. That's why Voldemort ordered Draco to kill Dumbledore maybe with hope that'll Draco get hurt or die trying and that would be perfect revange. Reason why Voldemort didn't put protection on diary, like the one thet he put with the ring, is that than no one would be able to read it. Than CoS wouldn't be open. So he left it unprotected in order to fulfil Salazar Slytherin's 'noble' work. :)
Voldemort wouldn't like that places where he hides his horcruxes are unimportant and busy. He loves trophies and he places them in places that are significant to him like Gaunt's house or cave, they have some meaning for him.

My possible places for hidden Horcruxes:

Nottingham: Voldemort, personally, killed a goblin family here

Gringotts: A break-in where nothing was stolen. Did Voldemort hide something there while he was possessing Quirrell?

Countryside: Where he learned he could talk to snakes when he was still at the Orphanage.

Chamber of Secrets: Secrets is plural. There could still be a Horcrux there. The Chamber had all the built-in protection that Slytherin, himself, put in - Parseltongue to open the Chamber, unknown entrance, the Basilisk had to have a food source for the 50+ years it was entombed.

Ollivander's store window: the wand in the window could be Ravenclaw's. Founders object. Powerful magical history.

My possible places for hidden Horcruxes:

Nottingham: Voldemort, personally, killed a goblin family here

Gringotts: A break-in where nothing was stolen. Did Voldemort hide something there while he was possessing Quirrell?

Countryside: Where he learned he could talk to snakes when he was still at the Orphanage.

Chamber of Secrets: Secrets is plural. There could still be a Horcrux there. The Chamber had all the built-in protection that Slytherin, himself, put in - Parseltongue to open the Chamber, unknown entrance, the Basilisk had to have a food source for the 50+ years it was entombed.

Ollivander's store window: the wand in the window could be Ravenclaw's. Founders object. Powerful magical history.
I really like the chamber of secrets idea.
But, I don't agree with gringotts. First of all, we don't see any reason that gringotts would have any real significance to Voldemort. Also, all of Voldemort's previous horcruxes were presumably hidden before. Voldemort just arrived back in England inside of Quirrel. His first priority was to get to the sorcerer's stone to get a body back. I assume that as horcruxes were created, Voldemort secured them into their hiding places. Even if prior to his downfall, he had been planning on moving a horcrux, it should have been secure enough to wait until he had a body back. (Voldemort had not thought at the time that he would have to wait an entire year to get the sorcerer's stone - he thought he'd be getting it then).

I really like the chamber of secrets idea.
But, I don't agree with gringotts. First of all, we don't see any reason that gringotts would have any real significance to Voldemort. Also, all of Voldemort's previous horcruxes were presumably hidden before. Voldemort just arrived back in England inside of Quirrel.
But you have to go farther back in Voldemort's life. Voldemort's first job, after graduating from Hogwarts was at Borgin & Burke's. He would have gotten a vault in Gringott's. Since Gringott's is the safest place known to wizards (Hagrid, Sorcercer's Stone, pg. 63), why wouldn't Voldemort hide a Horcrux there?

But you have to go farther back in Voldemort's life. Voldemort's first job, after graduating from Hogwarts was at Borgin & Burke's. He would have gotten a vault in Gringott's. Since Gringott's is the safest place known to wizards (Hagrid, Sorcercer's Stone, pg. 63), why wouldn't Voldemort hide a Horcrux there?
Well I suppose if Sirius had an untouched vault at gringotts, so could Voldemort. That would be very interesting indeed.

First of all before we come uo with all the theories we need to look at the nature of concealments that protect thew horcruxes:

-Ring of Gaunt:

location: House of Gaunt

description of location:next to a muggle village, concealed in an abandoned broken down shack.

Why: the place appearently is away from other wizards, no other wizards seemed to live in little han... something something. The place hardly seemed like a place to hide something with such importance

protection: enchantments and curses. Ther curse seem to be aimed to eat away orm burn away the flesh of the intruder, but like the locket not aimed to kill the intruder immediately -> Dumbledore still had time to go back to Snape after being cursed.


-Locket of Slytherin:

location: in a cave

description: a cave under a seaside cliff.

why: a location unreachable by muggle, one need to look really hard for the cave, appearently one need to know a cave is there in order to find it (if you do not know a cave is there you wouldnt bother looking for it now would you?)

protection: blood sarcifice, inferi, concealed boat, and a potion that appearently create horrifing illusion to the drinker.

-Riddle Diary: now here is a tough one

location: with a Hogwarts student

description: most likely keep by the student in his/her room, well those of you have keep diaries dont just leave them around in the opne do you???

why: who would have thought that the diary of a innocent kid could hold power thats is so terrifying to behold, hmm.Well at least i would never expect the diary of my little cousin actually has the soul of a evil wizard in it and is actually controlling her to unleash a monster to kill people.

protection: innocence is the main protection of the diary, people generally would not expect, like i said the diary of a kid asa something so dangerous. mind control, the diary took over the body of the victim.


So what did we learn from these:
the horcruxes we know so far are concealed from the publix eyes, either by spells or other means. They were protected by spell and natural barriers (I count innocence as a natural barrier) And they were all located in places people would not look into unless one is aimed to find the horcrux and knew alot about Voldemort.

But you have to go farther back in Voldemort's life. Voldemort's first job, after graduating from Hogwarts was at Borgin & Burke's. He would have gotten a vault in Gringott's. Since Gringott's is the safest place known to wizards (Hagrid, Sorcercer's Stone, pg. 63), why wouldn't Voldemort hide a Horcrux there?

As much as I like the idea - and I really do - it just doesn't seem to be Voldy's style. He's too egotistical to make it that simple IMO. He would want his horcruxes protected by his magic alone, and not be dependant on anyone (goblins) to help in that protection. He would want them to be very difficult to find and obtain, obviously because of their significance, but would want the wizard who is capable of finding one, to fall prey to (what Voldemort would see as) the divine nature of the magic surrounding it - and therefore crudely proving Voldy's strength and power as one of the greatest wizards ever. EGO EGO EGO!!!:lol:

-Riddle Diary: now here is a tough one

location: with a Hogwarts student

description: most likely keep by the student in his/her room, well those of you have keep diaries dont just leave them around in the opne do you???

why: who would have thought that the diary of a innocent kid could hold power thats is so terrifying to behold, hmm.Well at least i would never expect the diary of my little cousin actually has the soul of a evil wizard in it and is actually controlling her to unleash a monster to kill people.

protection: innocence is the main protection of the diary, people generally would not expect, like i said the diary of a kid asa something so dangerous. mind control, the diary took over the body of the victim.

Yes this one is difficult, but I think I might have the answer. Seeing that the diary was a horcrux, ordinarily it would have been protected by an extensive amount of magic. However, this specific horcrux had a double purpose, and having that amount of magic protecting the horcrux would prevent it from serving the purpose of revealing Voldy's heir of Slytherin status. I think he might have been willing to forgo the protection factor for 1. the ego factor and 2. for the fact that he had other horcruxes to protect his soul from extinction. Again the EGO EGO EGO thing, but I believe that his intention was to have the diary remain in the Chamber of Secrets which held it's own level of protection anyway - not realising that our Mr. Harry Potter (I am marked as your equal and will be an awesomely irritating hindrance to you until either you or I die) would sort that one out and destroy the plan.

Countryside: Where he learned he could talk to snakes when he was still at the Orphanage.

On this I disagree. I have posted my full opinions previously and don't really want to repeat myself, but in short, I believe that distinction between choice of places has to do with extraordinary events. Yes, the finding out parseltongue event would be important, but it is connected to the orphanage and it's trips. The cave seemed to me to have already covered the orphanage's significance. Cave = orphanage period, exploring of unknown powers, tormenting children by experimenting with powers, going on trips where finding out about parseltongue and doing whatever it was he did to those kids in the cave. Unless the orphanage was extremely significant, I don't see Voldy honoring it with a double whammy of horcruxes. One would have been enough.

First of all before we come uo with all the theories we need to look at the nature of concealments that protect thew horcruxes:

-Ring of Gaunt:

location: House of Gaunt

description of location:next to a muggle village, concealed in an abandoned broken down shack.

Why: the place appearently is away from other wizards, no other wizards seemed to live in little han... something something. The place hardly seemed like a place to hide something with such importance

protection: enchantments and curses. Ther curse seem to be aimed to eat away orm burn away the flesh of the intruder, but like the locket not aimed to kill the intruder immediately -> Dumbledore still had time to go back to Snape after being cursed.


-Locket of Slytherin:

location: in a cave

description: a cave under a seaside cliff.

why: a location unreachable by muggle, one need to look really hard for the cave, appearently one need to know a cave is there in order to find it (if you do not know a cave is there you wouldnt bother looking for it now would you?)

protection: blood sarcifice, inferi, concealed boat, and a potion that appearently create horrifing illusion to the drinker.

-Riddle Diary: now here is a tough one

location: with a Hogwarts student

description: most likely keep by the student in his/her room, well those of you have keep diaries dont just leave them around in the opne do you???

why: who would have thought that the diary of a innocent kid could hold power thats is so terrifying to behold, hmm.Well at least i would never expect the diary of my little cousin actually has the soul of a evil wizard in it and is actually controlling her to unleash a monster to kill people.

protection: innocence is the main protection of the diary, people generally would not expect, like i said the diary of a kid asa something so dangerous. mind control, the diary took over the body of the victim.


So what did we learn from these:
the horcruxes we know so far are concealed from the publix eyes, either by spells or other means. They were protected by spell and natural barriers (I count innocence as a natural barrier) And they were all located in places people would not look into unless one is aimed to find the horcrux and knew alot about Voldemort.
We can also count Nagini, even though there's no absolute proof that Nagini is a horcrux. Now, we don't know exactly what Voldemort uses to protect Nagini, but I would assume that he tries to keep her close to him so that HE can be the protection. Nagini, however, would be an exception. If she was made into a horcrux under the circumstances that Dumbledore theorizes, she was sort of made into a horcrux by default. And as she is living, it would be hard conceal her. Voldemort might also be leaning on the fact that no one would expect him to make a living creature into a horcrux.

As for the diary, Dumbledore said that it was created to use as a weapon. It's purpose was not to be hidden, but to be exposed to a certain extent.

Here are my own personal conclusions:Voldemort's horcruxes come in two types.
A) horcruxes that have no particular function. These horcruxes are hidden by location and spells. Examples: the locket and the ring.
B) horcruxes that have some particular function. These are protected as best as possible while still serving their particular purpose. If they are destroyed, they can be replaced. Examples: the diary and MAYBE Nagini. She probably serves in particular jobs. She carries a part of Voldemort's soul, so she can do things that regular snakes cannot do and she is 100% obedient of Voldemort, who can speak parseltonge. (This fact may come in handy as Harry can also speak parseltonge).

So, I think that now we need to be looking for locations that are either extremely secure/out of the way and can be protected by spells without anyone bumping into them/noticing them AND places where Voldemort might place something that has a useful function.

Someplace where both of these conditions can be found is in Hogwarts.
A) Hogwarts has places that are very secure, and where people who can sense magic, like Dumbledore, wouldn't happen upon. Particularly, I'm thinking of the Chamber of Secrets, which incidentally, can only be opened by someone who speaks parseltongue.
B) If Voldemort wanted to spy someplace, that place would be Hogwarts. I think we should be looking for a kind of object that can transfer information, like a portrait, or a mirror. I don't know where something could be placed in Hogwarts that has the ability to spy while still being out of the way, but it would be usefull without attracting Dumbledore's attention, but I think that if there is such a place, Crouch Jr. would have placed a horcrux there. Remember, this horcrux doesn't have to be TOO hidden if we're modeling it after the diary, which was given to a student to put in her dormitory.

One of the horcruxes could be hidden in the Trophy case or something like that...

One of the horcruxes could be hidden in the Trophy case or something like that...
How would this be at all productive? Or are you saying that the horcrux is a trophy and the best place to hide it would be among tropies? If so, it is not as well protected as the ring and the locket - any student can look at the trophies. And isn't the trophy room the room that Draco says in the SS/PS that is always unlocked? That means students can go in there pretty much any time. And if someone got hurt while innocently looking at trophies, (because they set off some sort of protective spell) I'm sure that Dumbledore would've investigated.

My possible places for hidden Horcruxes:

Nottingham: Voldemort, personally, killed a goblin family here
But would Voldemort consider the murder of goblins significant enough to make a Horcrux? Or were they only murdered because they had something (a founder's object) that Voldemort wanted? In which case would he have then hidden the Horcrux there just because that's where he found it? I hope Hermione was listening when Professor Binns was covering goblin history.

Gringotts: A break-in where nothing was stolen. Did Voldemort hide something there while he was possessing Quirrell?
We're back to goblins again. I wonder if a goblin from Nottingham was working at Gringotts that day. You'd think Quirrell would have just asked a goblin to put an object in his own safe, the goblins probably wouldn't have asked questions.

Countryside: Where he learned he could talk to snakes when he was still at the Orphanage.
Countryside where you might find snakes is haystack and needle land. More clues needed on that one.

Chamber of Secrets: Secrets is plural. There could still be a Horcrux there. The Chamber had all the built-in protection that Slytherin, himself, put in - Parseltongue to open the Chamber, unknown entrance, the Basilisk had to have a food source for the 50+ years it was entombed.
Wasn't it named by Salazar Slytherin? Thus Salazar's (several) secrets would be within, not Voldemort's. The basilisk was put in by Slytherin - they live for 900+ years. It seems it had a good supply of rats during its 900+ years, judging by the bones that Ron, Lockhart and Harry landed in.

Ollivander's store window: the wand in the window could be Ravenclaw's. Founders object. Powerful magical history.
Wouldn't be there anymore though, so finding Ollivander is a whole different ball game.

Countryside where you might find snakes is haystack and needle land. More clues needed on that one.

I was re-reading the section of HBP in the orphanage this weekend and noticed that Mrs. Cole, the manager of the orphanage, said that when Merope came in to bear Tom and die, that Merope was 'not much older' than Mrs. Cole at the time. Merope was 18 when her father and brother were sent to Azkaban, and Tom Riddle senior had returned to his family within 8 months after the wedding, so Merope was not yet twenty, and Mrs. Cole younger still, when Tom Riddle was born. He is now (as of HBP) a little over 60, so Mrs. Cole would only be about 80. There is a very excellent chance that she would still be alive and remember where the outings were - if she didn't keep drinking the gin the way she was shown to guzzle it. She would be an excellent lead on the site of the outings.

Mrs. Cole would only be about 80. There is a very excellent chance that she would still be alive and remember where the outings were - if she didn't keep drinking the gin the way she was shown to guzzle it. She would be an excellent lead on the site of the outings.Good heavens, I hope she has been able to retire from running the orphanage by now! :lol: She couldn't be any harder to influence with intoxicating beverages than Slughorn was!

Albus evidently had some means to learn where the youngsters were taken for outings, though the cave was some distance from the seaside 'resort' and it took quite some time to locate the precise site. Did Albus check on the countryside location? If so, why not tell Harry he didn't find a horcrux there so that Harry won't need to look there?

It seems that the children alternated summers between the seaside and the countryside visits. Would the orphanage have those places noted in their records? Maybe the children are still being taken to the same places? (ie, Maybe Harry doesn't have to find Mrs. Cole in particular.)

I was re-reading the section of HBP in the orphanage this weekend and noticed that Mrs. Cole, the manager of the orphanage, said that when Merope came in to bear Tom and die, that Merope was 'not much older' than Mrs. Cole at the time. Merope was 18 when her father and brother were sent to Azkaban, and Tom Riddle senior had returned to his family within 8 months after the wedding, so Merope was not yet twenty, and Mrs. Cole younger still, when Tom Riddle was born. He is now (as of HBP) a little over 60, so Mrs. Cole would only be about 80. There is a very excellent chance that she would still be alive and remember where the outings were - if she didn't keep drinking the gin the way she was shown to guzzle it. She would be an excellent lead on the site of the outings.
Voldemort is more like 70, having been born on New Year's Eve 1926 (or possibly New Year's Day 1927). Assuming Mrs Cole was 16 at the time, she would be nearing 90 if she were still alive at the time HBP ends. A better bet would be to track down Voldemort's fellow orphans. They might not be so willing to tell if Riddle was bullying them in as nasty a manner as he seems to have done.

The Sorting Hat is a Horcrux.
No, it isn't. Horcruxes do not draw attention to themselves by singing in front of large audiences.

Thank you JKR for the wonderful Christmas gift & Clue, and thank you SageThyme for posting it.
I think this is a tracking clue too

... a Horcrux won't draw attention to itself ... by singing (undignified) ... in front of large audiences ...

So it will be subtle, dignified, private, in location too.

Tho' a cave and a hut are not really "grand" locations.
Nor, once one was into the cave, could the locket's location be described as "subtle".
But it's something to think about.

I like the idea of Mrs. Cole providing clues. I wonder if the orphanage is in Clapham.
Also I wonder if Billy Stubbs was ever adopted & changed names ... the muggle PM perhaps?

Countryside where you might find snakes is haystack and needle land. More clues needed on that one.
In Order of Phoenix, Harry is listening to the news for clues, and a Helicopter almost goes down over a field in Surrey. Hermione says in GOF that electricity does not work in magic places. Also, the Dursley's, on their demented journey in Book 1, stopped in the middle of a plowed field. So I think the field in Surrey is a clue for a countryside location.

But I was thinking about this, and Harry lives in Surrey, though in a suburb. I wonder if there is any spell protecting him from overflying helicopters? Seems like it would be a dead give-away that he's magic though.

what do you mean a spell to protect him from helicopters? they more likely than not wont be falling out of the sky on to harry electrical devices work around small deposits of magic but fail around areas that are absolutly overflowing with it like hogwarts. now harry is powerful but i dont think he is powerful enough in the magical sense to bring a helicopter down in a field or on top of him.

Voldemrot is powerful as well but what he does is different he sets spell and charms and curses and jinxes and all of those would be complex and powerful magic and with 3-4 of those spells in a small area it could generate enough magical force or energy to knock out certain small weak electronic devices but a failure in a small system in a helicopter could cause it make a crash landing

so in other words i believe that the countryside is a horcrux location but i dont think that harry would need protection from a falling helicopter protection ffrom vernon and dudlys gang would be much more useful.

I don't know about the other horcruxes but I don't think the Mirror of Erised is one simply because Dumbledore used it to hide the Stone.

I don't know about the other horcruxes but I don't think the Mirror of Erised is one simply because Dumbledore used it to hide the Stone.
i agree that the mirror isnt a horcrux but that isnt a good reason really i find my reason as how voldemort and quirrel had obviously never encountered it or anything similar to it before and that they didnt know how it worked at that time voldemort didnt have a body to hold a wand to cast the spell and he sure as hell wasnt going to tell bumbling babbling clumsy untrustworthy quirrel know of the horcruxes and cast the spell

... a Horcrux won't draw attention to itself ... by singing (undignified) ... in front of large audiences ... So it will be subtle, dignified, private, in location too. I don't think we can necessarily assume that she meant dignified, so much, as doing something to draw attention to itself. The locations so far have been hidden or out of the way. I don't see the cave or the Gaunt hovel as dignified.

he sure as hell wasnt going to tell bumbling babbling clumsy untrustworthy quirrel know of the horcruxes and cast the spellWhy not? He had probably had no intention of leaving Quirrell alive. He knew he was leeching the life from him.

Maybe not dignified... but it's got to have a MEANING for Voldemort.

Maybe not dignified... but it's got to have a MEANING for Voldemort.I agree, I think that is the key characteristic.

I agree with what you are saying. Perhaps dignified is the wrong word. I meant the opposite of public and vulgar. Hidden definitely, of meaning to Voldie, yep, but not, for example, in a toilet (i.e. Myrtle's U Bend) if you see what I mean.

Ok, no toilets.

Stickz90210 I'll have to agree with you. Indeed Voldemort had no clue about the Mirror. I'm thinking the orphanage or whatever it is these days might hide something. It was the place he grew up after all.

I like the idea of Mrs. Cole providing clues. I wonder if the orphanage is in Clapham.
It's presumably somewhere near Vauxhall (Bridge) Road, so there's a good chance it is. We're back to the 2nd World War problem again, though: it's unlikely an orphanage would have stayed there as the area was heavily bombed.

In Order of Phoenix, Harry is listening to the news for clues, and a Helicopter almost goes down over a field in Surrey. Hermione says in GOF that electricity does not work in magic places. Also, the Dursley's, on their demented journey in Book 1, stopped in the middle of a plowed field. So I think the field in Surrey is a clue for a countryside location.
You mean the Horcrux and its hiding place are so magically powerful that they pose a threat to air traffic? Bit of a problem for Heathrow Airport, I should think. And it doesn't really fit with the Horcrux not drawing attention to itself.

I think the goblins knew where an artifact was. That doesn't mean that Voldemort got his hands on it.

It seems that every student who ever knew about the RoR has hidden something in there! Don't you think Voldemort would have a bit more style? One was hidden in his "ancestral home", another in a bowl of potion in the middle of a lake full of inferi in a cave with a hidden entrance within another cave that could only be entered by swimming. Dumping one in the RoR just doens't have the same panache!

I have to agree on that. I really don't think there's a Horcrux at Hogwarts. Dumbledore would have looked there first wouldn't he?
As far as the orphanage being destroyed during WW2, yes this is possible. But all the better for Voldemort: who would go and look for anything in the rumbles? The Gaunts' house was in shabbles.
I'm just wondering, and that might be a completely different thread..., it took Dumbledore extaordinary skill and time to find and destroy ONE horcrux (the ring) and the help from a Dark Arts expert (whether good or evil he is an expert in the Dark Arts). How is Harry going to locate, find and destroy the rest of the horcruxes?????? Yes, yes, i know, that is for JK to tell us!

Diary- destoyed
Ring- destroyed
Locket- either at #12 Grimmauld Place or with Mundungus
Cup- Borgin & Burkes/Albania/Hogwarts (?)
Something of Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's- Albania/Borgin & Burkes/Hogwarts (?)
Nagini- with Voldemort

I personally think that each object (or most of the objects) is hidden in a place that Voldemort has been at a different stage of his life. The locket was in the cave that he had visited in his childhood, pre-Hogwarts; one of the others (the cup or the thing belonging to Ravenclaw or Gryffindor) might even be at Hogwarts; one might be at Borgin & Burkes where he worked; the significance of Albania is unknown but I have a hunch it's important, maybe he spent some of the 10 missing years there; the ring was different because it was hidden in the house of his ancestors; Nagini, I believe is with Voldemort.

i think albania to be much more likely than borgin and burkes.
many people think that there could be a secret passage under borgin and burkes and that is where he would hide a horcrux but i ask why would such a place exist? the only reason i can think of is because they like lucias malfoy have a small area hiddedn where they might hide the darkest of their dark artifacts. But those are up for purchase to trustworthy people like the malfoys or some other pureblood extremists. then voldemort protects his horcruxes most of the time (diary) with powerful curses and enchantments, mr.borgin or mr.burke could have probably broken those or been able to tell what they are because they are familiar with the dark arts and their lives practically revolve around them.
Then again why would voldemort look for the passage this wasnt hogwarts where it is and ocean of ancient important powerful magic. this was a shop that i doubt he liked at all but he was looking for items worthy of being one of his horcruxes, once he found those he dissappeared for 10 years thus albania.
I say albania is more likely because we are missing 10 years of his life in which we know he ran off put the cup and locket into their supposedly final resting place then ran off into albania and mingled with the darkest of wizard kind undergoing several horrid transformations and learning of new darker parts of magic for ten years of his life and we have nothing on him i think that that chunk of his life was very important to him considering all the time he spent there and what he learned there. for other reasons for albania as a horcrux location Kingwidget has many more reasons than i can remember

Why has Arthur never raided Borgin and Burkes? Sure, some things are merely dodgy, like the Hand of Glory and the Vanishing Cabinet - no more subject to abuse than a dagger or even a wand. But then there are plenty of other objects which cannot have an acceptable use - such as the opal necklace. Perhaps there is some sort of charm which keep the shop from coming to mind to the Ministry officials charged with rooting out such objects. If so, then that would make it more likely that Borgin and Burkes is a site.

Another possible horcrux object - the wall between the Leaky Cauldron and Diagon Alley. It has obviously been there for a very long time, is a very magical object, perhaps with a great grandeur which has not yet been fully revealed, and it doesn't call attention to itself.

i dont think that they have a charm protecting borgin and burkes it doesnt really make sense i see it more as a sort of dark collectibles shop and stuff like that they may have a license for that kind of stuff and that the ministry is raiding houses that have really powerful or dangerous dark objects like the necklace but that was hidden in a secret compartment in he malfoy estate.
though the dark arts are dispicable they do have an important part in magical history and the owners could have argued that if we forget the past we will repeat the mistakes and argued that these werent being used to kill or harm and that they are just collectibles for the wealthy.
i still dont think borgin and burkes is a location but it is possible.
(possible but not plausible)

Anyone think that the cup may have found its way back into the smith family ? We have had quite a lot of Zach Smith from Hufflepuff, its not to out there to presume he is related to Hepzibah, and we know the smiths were looking for the cup.

Ms. Cole... Ms. Cole... Ah u mean the care taker at the orphanage right? Well I seriously doubt that she would do much good in the next book. I think Dumbledore either visted the orphanage during mid 1930s or 1940s, so Ms. Cole by now would be some where between the age of 70 and 90, thats old.

And nice to see u Diggle. U r REALY that old???!!! Err... hum hum nvm. BTW, nice dog.

Why has Arthur never raided Borgin and Burkes? Sure, some things are merely dodgy, like the Hand of Glory and the Vanishing Cabinet - no more subject to abuse than a dagger or even a wand. But then there are plenty of other objects which cannot have an acceptable use - such as the opal necklace. Perhaps there is some sort of charm which keep the shop from coming to mind to the Ministry officials charged with rooting out such objects. If so, then that would make it more likely that Borgin and Burkes is a site.

Another possible horcrux object - the wall between the Leaky Cauldron and Diagon Alley. It has obviously been there for a very long time, is a very magical object, perhaps with a great grandeur which has not yet been fully revealed, and it doesn't call attention to itself.
I don't think that Voldemort would create a horcrux that he could not move if needed. If someone got too close to discovering it, Voldemort would want to be able to quietely sneak it away.

If there is an anti ministry spell on Borgin and Burkes, I'd think they'd've been arrested and charged for that by now.

Anyone think that the cup may have found its way back into the smith family ? We have had quite a lot of Zach Smith from Hufflepuff, its not to out there to presume he is related to Hepzibah, and we know the smiths were looking for the cup.

Interesting connection and a definite possibility. And if he comes into the search for the cup he, being a member of the family may have information on other magical uses the cup has besides what we already have hints on. Hmm...

I don't know about particular objects, but Voldemort was not in the school only once: he was in there for at least a whole year while he was possessing Quirrel. If voldemort wanted to hide something in Hogwarts he could have done it, but I doubt that he would simply because of how protected the two Positively Known Horcruxes were.

that's actually really good. they wouldnt be in hogwarts it's to easy someone would have found them.

Could Voldemort's magic wand be a horcrux?It must have meant a lot to him when he learned he was 'special'.This would fit in the Horcrux category...

Could Voldemort's magic wand be a horcrux?It must have meant a lot to him when he learned he was 'special'.This would fit in the Horcrux category...
I think that a horcrux would have to be a physical object.

I think that a horcrux would have to be a physical object.

Hmm pardon me but isnt a wand a physical object?:lol:

Hmm pardon me but isnt a wand a physical object?:lol:
I'm really sorry. I misread your post. :blush:

Since your are on tthe subject of wands i think that the wand that was in ollivanders maybe a horcux and Ollivander has gone missing , so the wand could be hidden and not in plain sight, where I think all the places listed are possiblities

I doubt that Voldy's wand could be a horcrux - it is a tool for his work. Unless he replaced it later on, but I don't think so. Ollivander linking the wand in PS and the wands opposing in GOB kind of proves that he hasn't.

I doubt that Voldy's wand could be a horcrux - it is a tool for his work. Unless he replaced it later on, but I don't think so. Ollivander linking the wand in PS and the wands opposing in GOB kind of proves that he hasn't.
:tu: I agree with you on that. I think that Ollivander's gone missing because Voldemort wants to know why the wands connected in GoF. Anyway, back to the topic: Voldemort knows the diary's destroyed. Do you think he's made another one? He's killed enough, hasn't he? he knows he's one horcrux short...

Please people, keep this thread on-topic.

Whether Voldemort made any new Horcruxes is irrelevant to this thread. Try the Voldemort Making New Horcruxes (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=61728) thread.

If anyone wants to discuss WHAT the Horcruxes are, please go the Identifying the Horcruxes thread here (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=75097).

This thread is for WHERE the Horcruxes may be hiding.

So WHERE could the remaining 4 Horcruxes be?

[QUOTE=SageThyme]Please people, keep this thread on-topic.

Whether Voldemort made any new Horcruxes is irrelevant to this thread. Try the Voldemort Making New Horcruxes (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=61728) thread.

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ok, ok, ok. hadn't realised there was a thread on that topic.

:tu: I agree with you on that. I think that Ollivander's gone missing because Voldemort wants to know why the wands connected in GoF.

Yup - my sentiments exactly, have a theory on the Ollivander thing but search doesn't really pull down anything, and so I don't know where to put it. Help??

QUESTION: I'm curious to know where the Albania thing came from, anyone? It's a big place, and of course if we did know what Voldy was doing in time unaccounted for it would help, but maybe there's a clue somewhere in that theory that could lead us closer to pin pointing a location there. How did Albania come up in the first place?

Yup - my sentiments exactly, have a theory on the Ollivander thing but search doesn't really pull down anything, and so I don't know where to put it. Help??

QUESTION: I'm curious to know where the Albania thing came from, anyone? It's a big place, and of course if we did know what Voldy was doing in time unaccounted for it would help, but maybe there's a clue somewhere in that theory that could lead us closer to pin pointing a location there. How did Albania come up in the first place?

In CoS, Dumbledore says that according to his spies Voldemort is hiding in Albania. And this is were Bertha Jorkins (GoF) goes on holidays (honestly! Albania for your holidays!!!!)... So people must think that since he was hiding there he may have hidden a horcrux there. I don't think so though... Is Harry going to travel all the way to Albania to look through forests and all to locate the horcrux? No... It's a british novel, set in britain... It'll stay there. My opinion, though, feel free to feedback

Book 7: Harry and the Horcrux Factory

"I found the Golden Snidget!"
:clap:

In CoS, Dumbledore says that according to his spies Voldemort is hiding in Albania. And this is were Bertha Jorkins (GoF) goes on holidays (honestly! Albania for your holidays!!!!)... So people must think that since he was hiding there he may have hidden a horcrux there. I don't think so though... Is Harry going to travel all the way to Albania to look through forests and all to locate the horcrux? No... It's a british novel, set in britain... It'll stay there. My opinion, though, feel free to feedback
If he goes overseas, he'll get a lead through someone or some document that points him to a particular location. Maybe Nagini will be back there (is that where he found Nagini - there are no snakes that size outside the tropics, but there aren't any venomous snakes that size anyway - JKR is not picky about such details), and Harry will see the location through her eyes, or will be able to apparate to the place by having seen it.

In CoS, Dumbledore says that according to his spies Voldemort is hiding in Albania. And this is were Bertha Jorkins (GoF) goes on holidays (honestly! Albania for your holidays!!!!)... So people must think that since he was hiding there he may have hidden a horcrux there. I don't think so though... Is Harry going to travel all the way to Albania to look through forests and all to locate the horcrux? No... It's a british novel, set in britain... It'll stay there. My opinion, though, feel free to feedback

In that case, Albania may not have been a pre=Harry destination. It's a post-Harry second time around ex-VoldyQuirrel destination. Would he have been strong enough to have killed or made a horcrux at that time? I know about Nagini who's a maybe horcrux, but that was a bit later when he was stronger. In that case - when and where was Nagini made, I know Dumbledore said it in HPB.

Come to think of it - is there like an "everything you want to ask - answered site" where you could type in a name or word and sections of the books surrounding that name pop up? For when the books aren't at hand and canon is needed (to stop me from asking stupid questions again). All the books have kind of been mushed into one in my head, and I have trouble distinguishing what happened in what book.

If there are Horcruxes abroad, i think Egypt would be a good place to look, seeing as Rowling made a point of describing Bill Weasley's job prior to coming back home- curse breaker in egypt looking for treasure. I could just see Voldemort hiding a Horcrux in egypt, might even be possible Voldemort's travels took him to egypt on his hunt for Horcrux perfection ie splitting the soul more than once methods etc.
Albania appears on the face of it, just to have been an ideal place for the shattered Voldemort to hide before Wormtail found him. Or there could be something more.

I don't think that it would be such a big deal for Harry to go to other countries. He'll be able to take his apparition test, and then he could get to another country, find a horcrux and just come back.

I don't think that it would be such a big deal for Harry to go to other countries. He'll be able to take his apparition test, and then he could get to another country, find a horcrux and just come back.
Sure, but it has to be better defiend than knowing there is a horcrux in, for instance, Albania. Even a relatively small country like that would take decades to search if there is no more limited description than that. Off the top of my head, I believe Tirana, the capital, has at least 100,000 people, maybe several hundred thousand - can you imagine searching a city that size just by waving your hands around looking for the 'magical aura'?

EDIT: 1993 estimate is about 300,000 people.

Sure, but it has to be better defiend than knowing there is a horcrux in, for instance, Albania. Even a relatively small country like that would take decades to search if there is no more limited description than that. Off the top of my head, I believe Tirana, the capital, has at least 100,000 people, maybe several hundred thousand - can you imagine searching a city that size just by waving your hands around looking for the 'magical aura'?

EDIT: 1993 estimate is about 300,000 people.
Of course I didn't mean that Harry would have to search the entire country. Even if they're all in England, no one thinks that Harry is just going to fly around the country hoping to bump into a horcrux.

QUESTION: I'm curious to know where the Albania thing came from, anyone? It's a big place, and of course if we did know what Voldy was doing in time unaccounted for it would help, but maybe there's a clue somewhere in that theory that could lead us closer to pin pointing a location there. How did Albania come up in the first place?

Albania came from kingwidgit, who noticed that Voldemort:travelled far & wide withdrew to Albania for 10 years post Godric's Hollow met Quirrell there withdrew there AGAIN after SS/PS met Wormtail & Bertha Jorkins there returned to societySince it seems odd to retreat to a "new" place, KW assumed that Voldemort had been there before.

This started a great deal of speculation. Was it the homeland of Grindelwald? Was Durmstrang there? Bicephalic Eagle = clue?

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27523&d=1128495204

Kingwidgit further established that Albania is known as "land of the eagles" which ties in nicely with the Ravenclaw theme. Also, Albanians call themselves "Shipiqueri".

People didn't believe Albania could be the home of Durmstrang since it is Mediterranean & doesn't have long nights in winter, although we established that the mountain climate was very cold, even in Albania.

I posited that the long nights could be because the sun went down behind a mountain range, but Anabel said she was from Norway and nice try but no. This is lake Lura in Albania.

http://www.cosforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27918&d=1129707925

I further suggested that Albania is known for "the Black Cave" which has cave drawings in it, and is one of only 5 in Europe, so a place "deep in the dark forest" could be a CAVE. This also ties in with that picture Snape showed during the werewolf sequence in POA movie, first the greek vases (- Albania borders Greece) then the cave drawings.

Although Albania is a big place, we felt that it was like a red jelly bean in a bowl of green jelly beans thing. All you have to say is "I'm looking for a place where rats fear to go and snakes die young" and they say "we have one place where we heard stories" and *poof*, there you are. Then also we were near Bulgaria and Romania for Krum and Charlie.

The only problem is that it is a new location, though clearly meaningful to Voldie. And we are all getting exhausted just from the speculation, so want to stay close to home.

Hmm... I thought I was the one who came up with the Albania idea or at least I helped alot, why does she egt all the credit!!! :p . but NVM I dont care that much anyway.

Wand seemed rather unlikely.

See if Voldemort had to fight someone, he uses his wand. So hence he carries in combat. And but may happen to things you carry into combat??? they can be damaged. See Neville got his wand broke in two by a DE during the fight in the DoM. Ron broke his first wand in CoS I think. So that proves my point that wands do can get damaged.

And in GoF and OotP, we saw Voldemort brought his wad and fought Dumbledore and Harry with it. So if the wand is indeed a horcrux than hwy would he want to use it to fight his most powerful enemies and risk the chance of it getting destroyed???

This desnt make sense. A horcrux is meant to be proetcted not destroyed.

Book 7: Harry and the Horcrux Factory

"I found the Golden Snidget!"
:clap:
whats this got to do with tracking horcruxes?


QUESTION: I'm curious to know where the Albania thing came from, anyone? It's a big place, and of course if we did know what Voldy was doing in time unaccounted for it would help, but maybe there's a clue somewhere in that theory that could lead us closer to pin pointing a location there. How did Albania come up in the first place?

kingwidgets your woman!
Edit: oh Lindaluna already explained cool!

im not using a quote on my opinion for wands because there are many but i agree with desert fox wands get damaged and that would be 3 peices of voldemorts soul in 1 small area if Nagini is also a horcrux. i mean there goes half of voldemorts soul right there.

I agree with you desertfox about wand being a horcrux. It's risky to expose your horcrux in duels espacially if it's duel with Dumbledore. Thou we don't know if Voldemort used his (phoenix pheader) wand in MOM. But then it also questions Nagini being a horcrux. She was sent in MOM, which is full of wizards and aurors. It was night and it was empty but it was risky anyway.

it wasnt really that risky nagini can take care of herself the avada kedavra curse is illegal so the ministry wouldnt kill her and it wasnt likely that she would be caught considering it was night time and very few people are down there in the day anyway. i also imagine that she is fast so she could get away.

it wasnt really that risky nagini can take care of herself the avada kedavra curse is illegal so the ministry wouldnt kill her and it wasnt likely that she would be caught considering it was night time and very few people are down there in the day anyway. i also imagine that she is fast so she could get away.

No no I think Barty Crouch gave the Aurors the permission to use the Unforgivable Curses in extremem situations. So the ministry can kill use them on DEs. And BTW, Nagini is a SNAKE!!! She, or rather ir it, is not a person. Moody was not punished when he used them on those spiders, so why cant the ministry use them on Nagini, HMM???

If he goes overseas, he'll get a lead through someone or some document that points him to a particular location. Maybe Nagini will be back there (is that where he found Nagini - there are no snakes that size outside the tropics, but there aren't any venomous snakes that size anyway - JKR is not picky about such details), and Harry will see the location through her eyes, or will be able to apparate to the place by having seen it.
Seeing that Wormtail was with Voldie over there (helping take care of Bertha) could this be how Wormtail repays his life debt to Harry?? By telling him where in Albania Voldie was hiding, and in doing so leads him to one of the missing horcruxes.

See if Voldemort had to fight someone, he uses his wand. So hence he carries in combat. And but may happen to things you carry into combat??? they can be damaged. See Neville got his wand broke in two by a DE during the fight in the DoM. Ron broke his first wand in CoS I think. So that proves my point that wands do can get damaged.



Good point!You are right I redeem myself!

How did Nagini get to MoM? I suppose she can't apparate. Nagini had to go by herself. And why? Because Lucius felt that somebody was there and reported to his master. Voldemort needed clear way to his and Harry's prophesy so he sent Nagini to do the job. He knew that there was a wizard and he sent her. Or I'm wrong, I keep forgetting what is written.
But then how Harry saw everything through Nagini's eyes. Only if something else is there, part of LV's soul. I doubt that Harry can possess.

Seeing that Wormtail was with Voldie over there (helping take care of Bertha) could this be how Wormtail repays his life debt to Harry?? By telling him where in Albania Voldie was hiding, and in doing so leads him to one of the missing horcruxes.
Also, If Wormtail witnessed a horcrux murder while he was still caring for the Voldemort without a real body, he might even know with certainty the identity and location of a horcrux.

How did Nagini get to MoM? I suppose she can't apparate. Nagini had to go by herself. And why? Because Lucius felt that somebody was there and reported to his master. Voldemort needed clear way to his and Harry's prophesy so he sent Nagini to do the job. He knew that there was a wizard and he sent her. Or I'm wrong, I keep forgetting what is written.
But then how Harry saw everything through Nagini's eyes. Only if something else is there, part of LV's soul. I doubt that Harry can possess.
Voldemort was possessing Nagini (according to Dumbledore), which is how Harry was able to see what happened to Arthur. This is a bit of a problem as far as Horcrux hiding places are concerned: possessing Nagini to get the prophecy would be risking two pieces of soul. It either shows that Voldemort was desperate enough to hear the prophecy to take that risk or Nagini wasn't a Horcrux at the time or that he really isn't as careful as he might be with his Horcruxes.

If he isn't as careful with Nagini as he should be, maybe some of his other hiding places aren't as well-disguised as Dumbledore thought.

The cup could be at the orphanage but what about the trophy room at Hogwarts? JKR's site has a number of cups in the fan site trophy room, so one could assume that Hogwarts would as well. If so, when Riddle came back to ask for the DADA job he hid the cup in "plain sight" with all the other cups, awards, and trophies...

someone before said that it wouldnt be a good place to hide it because the trophy room is unlocked all the time so anyone can go in there any time and the detentions are sometimes cleaning the trophiesa without magic that means that the people would have to touch them triggering whatever dark protective curse is on the cup protecting it forcing dumbledore to check it out and even if he doesnt realize what it is he can undo the enchantments and some other kid could drop it some other time and the cup could be mended if it broke but the soul shard would have already torn free.
No no I think Barty Crouch gave the Aurors the permission to use the Unforgivable Curses in extremem situations. So the ministry can kill use them on DEs. And BTW, Nagini is a SNAKE!!! She, or rather ir it, is not a person. Moody was not punished when he used them on those spiders, so why cant the ministry use them on Nagini, HMM???
i think that those powers were revoked after voldemorts 1st fall and at the time the ministry refused to believe that he was back so the powers would not have been legal and the aurors wouldnt have permission to use them. then no one knows that it is voldemorts snake and if dumbledore said it was or harry did then no one would believe them because of the media situation.

and then the MoM was supposed to be empty and if people are allowed to stay after hours for work there are so few people down in the DoM in the day during working hours that it would be very unlikely that there would be any now and the department is a large place as we saw so it would be rather easy to hide or if anyone was there they might think that nagini is a project that escaped.

and last i dont think anyone knew that moody used the curses until he got his last kiss and ther arent much higher punishments than that.

Even though Voldy and his DE's were at Hogwarts that night I don't think they placed a Horcrux at the school, Voldy obviously puts a lot of defense around a piece of his soul and there is no way he could put that type of magic in Hogwarts without Dumbledore noticing it, the exception would be that "graveyard" there b/c no one knows about it, but wouldn't Dumbledore know about that as well?

Hmm... I thought I was the one who came up with the Albania idea or at least I helped alot, why does she egt all the credit!!! :p . but NVM I dont care that much anyway.
Dude, you want credit you got to stick around to patiently & repeatedly defend the idea, protecting the copyright you know.

Also, If Wormtail witnessed a horcrux murder while he was still caring for the Voldemort without a real body, he might even know with certainty the identity and location of a horcrux.
First, if there is a horcrux in Albania, it had to be placed there while Voldemort had a body. Vapormort couldn't carry physical things, not even his wand. So if there is a horcrux in Albania, it was placed there before Godric's Hollow or after the rebirth party at the end of GoF. That means Wormtail wasn't around to witness any portion of a horcrux placement there. Second, the only horcrux objects that Voldemort could place in Albania were the cup or the unknown object (but he was still searching for that object after returning to Britain to apply for the DADA job...and would then have had to take it to Albania during VoldyWar I; it's possible, but we have no evidence at this time that places Voldy in Albania during that time period. Obviously he could probably apparate there and back without too many people noticing...). Third, Voldy doesn't really trust Wormtail, and I don't doubt that he wouldn't hesitate to kill anyone who may have witnessed anything to do with any of his horcruxes and Wormtail is still around...

I have to agree that Peter/Wormtail does know the precise location of Vapormort's hidey-hole in Albania, but I seriously doubt he knows boo about horcruxes...The question, then, is how would Wormtail relay this location information to Harry? He doesn't know that Harry is hunting horcruxes (and Harry can't be stupid enough to tell him), horcruxes that should be located in places Voldemort is known to have been.

Places we know Voldemort/Tommy Riddle/Vapormort has been:
-Albania
-Orphanage
-Hogwarts
-Diagon Alley (the only shop we can trace him to is Ollivander's, though he must have gotten his other school supplies from other shops)
-Knockturn Alley (the only shop we can trace him to is Borgin & Burkes)
-Nottingham (personally killed a goblin family there)
-Countryside where he 'practiced' parseltongue before age 11
-Seaside cave (known to have housed a horcrux, the locket)
-Riddle house
-Little Hangleton graveyard
-Gaunt hovel (known to have housed a horcrux, the ring)
-The place Dorcas Meadowes was murdered (site unknown)
-Crouch home (though the timing factor seems to eliminate this as a horcrux location)
-Hepzibah Smith's home
-Ministry of Magic (not a likely location)
-Hogsmeade

Places we presume he has been, or may have been:
-Other shops in Diagon Alley and Knockturn Alley
-Other homes to acquire things while working for B&B
-Homes of Death Eaters
-Wherever his current hidey-hole(s) is/are
-Other places outside Britain during his 10 year hiatus
-Gringott's (either vapor-moving along with Quirrell, or because he should probably have had his own vault there at some point)

[I probably missed a place, or several places, but I'm sure someone will correct me in that case!]

I don't think he would change any of the positions of the horcruxes now. I think all of his Horcruxes would have had to have been placed and created before he tried to kill baby Harry with the exception of Nagini. I also think Nagini was the Horcrux made after Bertha was killed. That would bring Voldemort's total to seven. He wouldn't go above that because of the magical properties of seven.

As for Nagini in the MoM, I didn't think it was a possession. I thought that since Nagini had a piece of Voldemort inside of her, he would be able to move her any way he wanted.

Hagrid might have hidden the dragon eggshells in the RoR after norbert hatched

i dont think that hagrid had explored hogwarts because we know he was expelled in i think his 2nd year and i doubt he would have had the time or sources to be able to explore hogwarts harry has dobby and sirius and the mauraders map and hermione one of the very few who have read hogwarts a history. i also thought that the dragon eggs were put there by hagrid but i dont think it to be too likely.

Now on the Room and Requirement now that someone of you guys have mentioned it.

Alot of you argued that Dumbledore was not aware of the exsistence of that room. You evidence, in GoF Dumbledore during the Yule Ball said that he "accidentally came across the room filled with chamber pots and never could find the same room at that". the room later on was confirmed by Harry as the RoR.

But there is a hole in that argument. after careful reading, I realized that Dumbledore knew about the room after all. Harry told us that inorder to enter the RoR, one must walk across the door three times consecutively while concentrate hard on what one want the room to be.

Aha, this proves to me that Dumbledore did not just "accidentally" used the RoR. He knew how to use it. And therefore, he knew thr RoR was there the whole time.

Two people who should have detailed knowledge about Hogwarts would be Dumbledore and Voldemort, who must searched every inch of the castle looking for the chamber of secrets.
So the Room of requirement might be a good place for Harry to take look around in. There might not be any Horcruxes hidden in the room, but it may contain banned books about Horcruxes. I can just imagine Tom Riddle asking the Room of requirement for help in finding books about horcruxes. But i digress.
Albania is possibly a good place to look for clues towards Horcrux locations.
If Voldemort has hidden all his Horcruxes around the british isles, then that would be a crucial error in his judgement and a boon for Harry. It would make his job that much easier.

Now on the Room and Requirement now that someone of you guys have mentioned it.

Alot of you argued that Dumbledore was not aware of the exsistence of that room. You evidence, in GoF Dumbledore during the Yule Ball said that he "accidentally came across the room filled with chamber pots and never could find the same room at that". the room later on was confirmed by Harry as the RoR.

But there is a hole in that argument. after careful reading, I realized that Dumbledore knew about the room after all. Harry told us that inorder to enter the RoR, one must walk across the door three times consecutively while concentrate hard on what one want the room to be.

Aha, this proves to me that Dumbledore did not just "accidentally" used the RoR. He knew how to use it. And therefore, he knew thr RoR was there the whole time.
good point and just to add to that when the DA was discovered umbridge and fudge mentioned to dumbledore that the had used the room of requirement so dumbledore knows.

but what does dumbledores knowledge of the room of requirement have to do with the topic of tracking the horcruxes? do you think that dumbledore would have checked it for traces of toms magic or possesions?

kingwidgets your man!Er, I think that kingwidgit's your woman if you don't mind. ;)

And there are heaps of Albania supporters (and I'm not talking about their Quidditch Team!) Like it was said, not all of us are as patient and persistent (and have a lot of free time) like she is. Bless.

Er, I think that kingwidgit's your woman if you don't mind. ;)

And there are heaps of Albania supporters (and I'm not talking about their Quidditch Team!) Like it was said, not all of us are as patient and persistent (and have a lot of free time) like she is. Bless.Thanks, dude! *Waves to Rastaban--It's good to see you on the forums!:clap: Still in Italy?

I'm definitely a supporter of Albania as a locale for a Horcrux...

I also believe that the Dorcas Meadowes murder, spoken of in Order of the Phoenix, is linked to the unknown
'Ravenclaw' Horcrux---though there is no canon as of yet to support it.

As Dumbledore told us in HBP that Voldemort used significant murders to create his Horcruxes, and we know that he normally allows his Death Eaters to do his dirty work, her murder at his hands must be significant...could it tie to the goblin murders near Nottingham?

I'm thinking a magical accident, like stepping on a landmine, would indicate a horcrux location / object too.
"Have you..." Harry began. "I mean, who...has anyone you've known ever died?"
"Yes," said Luna simply, "my mother. She was quite an extraordinary witch, you know, but she did like to experiment and one of her spells went rather badly wrong one day. I was nine.""I was ripped from my body, I was less than a spirit, less than the meanest ghost...but still I was alive. What I was, even I do not know...I, who have gone further than anybody along the path that leads to immortality. You know my goal - to conquer death. And now, I was tested, and it appeared that one or more of my experiments had worked..."
I think these are the only references to "experiments" I have seen in the series.

This is tracking, tracking the Ravenclaw object. You know Luna and her father like to travel. Presumably this is not a new tendancy. What if the object that Luna's mother "experimented" on was picked up during their travels?

Luna being 9 at the time of death, and she's a year younger than Harry, this is 9 years after Godric's Hollow.
Presumably Voldie would still have been in Albania... If Voldie was in Albania as Vapormort, I would assume he had at least one horcrux near him - but then why leave the other horcruxes behind... ? So much left to learn.

Well at least 9 is old enough to have a good memory.

Thanks, dude! *Waves to Rastaban--It's good to see you on the forums!:clap: Still in Italy?Well, I'm in England at the moment for the holidays, and I will be visiting Eastern Europe next month, but I'll be back in Italy for the Olympics and a few months after that. That's why I've been so irregular on the forums, but it's good to be remembered!

I also believe that the Dorcas Meadowes murder, spoken of in Order of the Phoenix, is linked to the unknown
'Ravenclaw' Horcrux---though there is no canon as of yet to support it.

As Dumbledore told us in HBP that Voldemort used significant murders to create his Horcruxes, and we know that he normally allows his Death Eaters to do his dirty work, her murder at his hands must be significant...could it tie to the goblin murders near Nottingham?Like I think I may have said before, for a completely original theory that's not pants (and those are hard to come by on these forums unless your name is kingwidgit) it's really a quite good one. JKR has made subtle mentions of names in the past, like RAB and Regalus Black, Rufus Scrimgeor, Sirius Black, etc, and they've later turned out to be rather important characters.

I do think that the goblin family in Nottigham will turn out to be important as well. There's too much going for it, what with it being canon evidence that the Dark Lord killed them himself and Goblins running Gringotts, the safest place to keep something besides Hogwarts. Does that mean I think one of the Dark Lord's horcruxes is stuffed in some bank vault? Well, connecting the theories, maybe something that Dorcas Meadowes was keeping in a vault was stolen by the Dark Lord after he did in the goblins that knew about it.

I'm not sure that the Dark Lord would be so stupid to hide one in Gringotts, especially since he would think his own protection would be safer, he has little if any emotional tie to the bank, and he isn't likely to be strolling in to make a withdrawal at his leisure, so it's unlikely anything of his would be there after he made it an horcrux.

"Have you..." Harry began. "I mean, who...has anyone you've known ever died?"
"Yes," said Luna simply, "my mother. She was quite an extraordinary witch, you know, but she did like to experiment and one of her spells went rather badly wrong one day. I was nine."

This is tracking, tracking the Ravenclaw object. You know Luna and her father like to travel. Presumably this is not a new tendancy. What if the object that Luna's mother "experimented" on was picked up during their travels?This is a really interesting suggestion. Could it be another subtle clue? What if Mrs. Lovegood found an horcrux and tried using it? Luna wouldn't have known what was going on, much more than Mrs. Lovegood herself. Interesting idea, and it will be a relief to finally find out what happens! In the mean time, excellent ideas!

Albania is possibly a good place to look for clues towards Horcrux locations.
If Voldemort has hidden all his Horcruxes around the british isles, then that would be a crucial error in his judgement and a boon for Harry. It would make his job that much easier.
Yeah, but Voldemort needs his horcruxes close at hand... And he thinks he's the only one to know about them And Albania was the place he fled to when powerless. He wouldn't entrust Quirrell (useless and untalented as he says) with a part of his soul, would he? i'm pretty convinced all horcruxes are around Britain. And, Harry will find out stuff in Godric's Hollow, he wouldn't just go there....

Yeah, but Voldemort needs his horcruxes close at hand... And he thinks he's the only one to know about them And Albania was the place he fled to when powerless. He wouldn't entrust Quirrell (useless and untalented as he says) with a part of his soul, would he? i'm pretty convinced all horcruxes are around Britain. And, Harry will find out stuff in Godric's Hollow, he wouldn't just go there....
Why does he need his horcruxes close at hand when he can apparate to wherever they are?

Yeah, but Voldemort needs his horcruxes close at hand... And he thinks he's the only one to know about them And Albania was the place he fled to when powerless. He wouldn't entrust Quirrell (useless and untalented as he says) with a part of his soul, would he? i'm pretty convinced all horcruxes are around Britain. And, Harry will find out stuff in Godric's Hollow, he wouldn't just go there....Voldemort does not necessarily need his Horcruxes close to hand. In fact, look at the locales of what we know of past Horcruxes:

Malfoy's Wiltshire mansion.

The coast of England---as the orphanage had been in London, realistically and financially speaking, the probables of those from the orphanage traveling to the far west, southwest, or northeast coast aren't good...that leaves an area of east, south, southeast---between the counties of Essex, Kent, and Sussex really...the sunshine coast of Essex and the cliffs of Dover....Walton and Frinton, Essex---Walton has cliff top walks and interestingly enough Walton Pier has a ten pin bowling centre---something that Dumbledore's chocolate frog card says that he enjoys.:huh:

Greater and Lesser Hangleton, according to GoF, is two hundred miles from where Harry was in Little Whinging: "There was a flash of green light, a rushing sound, and Frank Bryce crumpled. He was dead before he hit the floor.
Two hundred miles away, the boy called Harry Potter woke with a start".
With Surrey being south of London, this then limits the direction of travel and would actually be a point northward, probably near the English/Scots border.

Nagini. Most people believe that Voldemort brought her with him from Albania. Did he pick her up there, or was she from another country? If another country, why was she waiting in Albania for him---had he placed her there prior to his downfall or did he just meet a magical snake in the forests of Albania?

Truthfully, Voldemort had to have had prior knowledge of Albania, otherwise he simply would not have ever fled there to hide---not once, but on two separate occassions---that denotes knowledge of the area and confidence in a hiding place, especially when Voldemort knew that rumor had it he was hiding in a forest in Albania. Then there is the fact that he expected his Death Eaters to find him where he was hiding in Albania. Wormtail was certainly able to manage it, once he really tried...Sometime between June 6 and August 18, actually {two weeks prior to start of term at Hogwarts}.

Wormtail escaped June 6---the date set for Buckbeak's appeal/execution. Harry had the dream of Frank Bryce's murder on a Saturday in August...that afternoon he received his invite to the Weasley's for Quidditch and the rest of the summer---one that is remarked on in GoF: "On the other hand, allowing Harry to disappear to the Weasley's for the rest of the summer would get rid of him two weeks earlier than anyone could have hoped". The next day--Sunday--he goes to the Weasley's, and Monday morning everyone's off to the Quidditch match."Surely one of my faithful Death Eaters would find me...one of them would come and perform the magic I could not, to restore me to a body...but I waited in vain..."
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"He sought me in a country where it had long been rumored I was hiding...helped along, of course, by the rats he met along the way. Wormtail has a curious affinity with rats, do you not, Wormtail? His filthy little friends told him there was a place, deep in an Albanian forest, that they avoided, where small animals like themselves met there deaths by a dark shadow possessed them...Another thing, is that the forest in which Voldemort hid would actually be in south Albania, according to the fourth book, because Wormtail met Bertha just prior to locating Voldemort:Rita Skeeter's Scoop:
"She definitly arrived in Albania, because she met her second cousin there. And then she left the cousin's house to go south and see an aunt."
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The Death Eaters:
"For hungry one night, on the edge of the very forest where he had hoped to find me, he foolishly stopped at an inn for some food...and who should he meet there, but one Bertha Jorkins, a witch from the Ministry of Magic.......he overpowered her...he brought her to me...I see no other reason for Voldemort's confidence in his hiding place except that he had prior knowledge of the area. Which means that it was one of the many wide and varied places that Voldemort had travelled, lending credance to the theory that a Horcrux may be located somewhere in Albania.

This is why I stick to there's something in Albania idea...

mmmh! kingwidgit... Yeah, I see where you're going... but still, remember it's a british novel... set in a british school... why send harry deep in albania...? Plotwise I mean...

mmmh! kingwidgit... Yeah, I see where you're going... but still, remember it's a british novel... set in a british school... why send harry deep in albania...? Plotwise I mean...I don't know, really...but why the need to bring in foreign wizards and allies? We're supposed to see more of Krum, whether that will tie in to foreign travel or not is unknown.

If Voldemort travelled the world, and Dumbledore also travelled the world---checking out the places Voldie had been to, searching for Horcruxes...then Harry will have to either be really lucky and stumble upon Horcrux after Horcrux---or he's going to need to travel too...

I don't know, really...but why the need to bring in foreign wizards and allies? We're supposed to see more of Krum, whether that will tie in to foreign travel or not is unknown.

If Voldemort travelled the world, and Dumbledore also travelled the world---checking out the places Voldie had been to, searching for Horcruxes...then Harry will have to either be really lucky and stumble upon Horcrux after Horcrux---or he's going to need to travel too...

We know that Harry's the only one that can destroy him, what if he doesn't need to destroy the horcruxes??? What if there is a way for him to bypass the horcruxes? I know that's another thread altogether, just thought of it...

Greater and Lesser Hangleton, according to GoF, is two hundred miles from where Harry was in Little Whinging: "There was a flash of green light, a rushing sound, and Frank Bryce crumpled. He was dead before he hit the floor.
Two hundred miles away, the boy called Harry Potter woke with a start".
With Surrey being south of London, this then limits the direction of travel and would actually be a point northward, probably near the English/Scots border.

I thought I'd see what 200 miles from Surrey would narrow down. Drawing an arc on a map, 200 miles from Surrey includes most of Cornwall, Pembrokeshire, all but the westernmost tip of Gwynedd, the southernmost part of Anglesey, parts of north Wales; as well as a sizeable chunk of Lancashire, and North Yorkshire.

So northwest, west and southwest can't be ruled out. The English/Scots border is a bit too far - more like 270 miles.

I thought I'd see what 200 miles from Surrey would narrow down. Drawing an arc on a map, 200 miles from Surrey includes most of Cornwall, Pembrokeshire, all but the westernmost tip of Gwynedd, the southernmost part of Anglesey, parts of north Wales; as well as a sizeable chunk of Lancashire, and North Yorkshire.

So northwest, west and southwest can't be ruled out. The English/Scots border is a bit too far - more like 270 miles.You'd know better then me, I'm in America...I had my ruler out, measuring the mileage on my comp screen, {you know how deceptively narrow maps appear on screen?}.:D

Ah, well, it is at least two hundred miles from Surrey---I wonder where exactly in Surrey Little Whinging is supposed to be...

Anyway, the point was that the Horcruxes we've seen are scattered widely across the UK...travel outside of the UK isn't that much of a stretch.

It pretty much rules out Slytherin being from near Little Hangleton, anyway. His place of origin has got to be a strong possibility for another Horcrux. I don't think that it matters that the other Horcrux (non-living ones, that is) objects are probably not connected to Slytherin.

Hi everyone...Happy Holidays

A while back someone posted a timeline of Voldemorts actions/travels from birth to present. I've been trying to find it and thought I saw it on this area. I've gone back through several pages but can't find. If anyone has it can you repost or tell me where it is. I've been working up one myself and need it to compare.

I just have a gut feeling that the ROR is where one of the Horcruxes is located. Even if Dumbledore knew about the ROR, he wouldn't have known which "room" it may be hidden. When Harry tried to find Malfoy he used several different phrases or thoughts, but none was the exact one to allow him access. When he wanted to hide the potions book he kept repeating I need a place to hide.....and it gave him access to an area with loads of "hidden" objects. One needs to know the exact phrasing or they wouldn't be able to get in to that particular room. When Harry started the DA group, the room had all kinds of reference books and items to assist him in training them to fight. It may not be the hidden object room but if Voldemort needed to keep something safeguarded he could just say I need a room that no one can enter but himself.

Anyway if anyone finds that list, I appreciate it. And again Happy Holidays.

We know that Harry's the only one that can destroy him, what if he doesn't need to destroy the horcruxes??? What if there is a way for him to bypass the horcruxes? I know that's another thread altogether, just thought of it...

No, there is no other way. The killing curse can not even kill him. The horcrux bond the soul of the caster to earth. They are kind of like anchors, and Voldemort had six of them. If Harry wants to kill voldemort, he has to sever those six horcruxes and make him a mortal again. Otherwise, if Voldemort got killed he will just turn into vapor again until someone, another DE return his to life again.

mmmh! kingwidgit... Yeah, I see where you're going... but still, remember it's a british novel... set in a british school... why send harry deep in albania...? Plotwise I mean...

Well - what is one thing most people want to do when they are 17? Travel !

Also, uses Krum, Charlie, dragons, different plants & animals, bit of a break you know...
Oh yes, and Transylvania (in Romania) and Vampires. I mean, it's begging to be used.

And then Ron can make faces at the food, and Hermione can read the guidebook, and Harry can discover that flying is the universal language.

As mentioned earlier, Hogwarts would be an ideal place to hide a horcrux because Voldemort knows anything in there is safe as long as Dumbledore didn't find it. The room of requirement would however not be ideal, because your chance of really needing the same room again would be slim and it is a hard place to access, being in the seventh? floor. I would be more apt to believe that he had hidden more than one horcrux in the Chamber of Secrets, because only a parseltounge could open it, and the posession of Ginny may have been to take the horcruxes to safety once Voldemort realized Harry was a parseltounge and could open the chamber. Perhaps Voldemort knew Harry was a parselmouth longer than we realize...or that he realized it early in his possesion of Ginny.

Nicole, I did not mean that Wormtail would know about a horcrux in Albania specifically, I meant that he may have witnessed a horcrux murder and creation (Frank Bryce/Nagini being the most probable). I just don't think that he knew what was going on if he did see it, which is what Voldemort would have been banking on if he was in a rush to create a horcrux and needed help.
Also, didn't Voldemort hold a wand when he killed Frank Bryce (whether or not he was a horcrux murder) as we saw in Harry's dream?

point - Valdemort did not possess Ginny. Tom Riddle did. There is nothing that indicates the horcruxes communicate between themselves.
Ther are four horcruxes remaining - maybe. In the Chamber of Secrets Valdemort was vapor. In Goblet of Fire - he is a physical being. Sounds like one horcrux has been used. If so, that leaves three and one of them is thought to be known - the Cup. So, only two remain unknown and Harry is NOT one of them. One is thought to be the snake - Nagina. Also, one-seventh of the soul remained with Valdemort. That is assuming that RAB destroyed the locket.
Any way you figure it, Valdemort can NEVER be at full strength.

Well It's my guess that the locket was at the house of black but Mundungus sold it.

And Hufflepuff's cup will probably be at what's her names house, because Dumbledore found the romg in the same place Voldemort stole it from.

Nagini (assuming she is one) will be with Voldemort no duh.

point - Valdemort did not possess Ginny. Tom Riddle did. There is nothing that indicates the horcruxes communicate between themselves.
Ther are four horcruxes remaining - maybe. In the Chamber of Secrets Valdemort was vapor. In Goblet of Fire - he is a physical being. Sounds like one horcrux has been used.
You're right about the first part - it was memory Tom Riddle who possessed Ginny and there's no indication that he communicated with the present day Voldemort at all - otherwise, he would have already known about Harry Potter and wouldn't have found out from Ginny. However, the second part, about one horcrux being "used" - I don't think that's how it works. According to Dumbledore's guess, Voldemort had 5 horcruxes when he attacked the Potters in Godric's Hollow with the 6th piece of soul residing inside Voldemort himself (his body) and Voldemort was intending to make his 6th and final horcrux (making it a total of 7 counting the piece inside Voldy) with Harry's murder. It backfired and the piece of soul inside Voldy is what spent all the time wandering in Albania. It did not reconnect with any of the horcruxes nor did it take away one of the horcruxes (like the 9 lives of a cat). Basically, the horcrux ties a person's soul to the earth (inside an object) so if the body is attacked and "killed" the soul can't go "on" (or become a ghost if the person chose to "remain behind") because part of the soul is still tied to the earth.

point - Valdemort did not possess Ginny. Tom Riddle did.Most fans don't distinguish between the two...I use Voldie and Riddle interchangeably, myself.There is nothing that indicates the horcruxes communicate between themselves.I totally agree.
Ther are four horcruxes remaining - maybe. In the Chamber of Secrets Valdemort was vapor. In Goblet of Fire - he is a physical being. Sounds like one horcrux has been used.Actually, no Horcrux was used to re-birth Voldemort, that's not really how they work. The soul fragment that now resides inside Voldemort is what fans refer to as 'Vapormort', which we're told by Dumbledore in HBP: "The seventh part of his soul, however maimed, resides inside his regenerated body. That was the part of him that lived a spectral existence for so many years during his exile.."

So, as far as we know, there are four still out there somewhere's...
Any way you figure it, Valdemort can NEVER be at full strength.Voldemort's strength is not in doubt, destruction of all his Horcruxes does not weaken him at all."Without his Horcruxes, Voldemort will be a mortal man, with a maimed and diminished soul. Never forget, though, that while his soul may be damaged beyond repair, he brain and his magical powers remain intact.

point - Valdemort did not possess Ginny. Tom Riddle did. There is nothing that indicates the horcruxes communicate between themselves.
Ther are four horcruxes remaining - maybe. In the Chamber of Secrets Valdemort was vapor. In Goblet of Fire - he is a physical being. Sounds like one horcrux has been used. If so, that leaves three and one of them is thought to be known - the Cup. So, only two remain unknown and Harry is NOT one of them. One is thought to be the snake - Nagina. Also, one-seventh of the soul remained with Valdemort. That is assuming that RAB destroyed the locket.
Any way you figure it, Valdemort can NEVER be at full strength.

Well like widgit said i dont think there is that much of a difference between Voldemort and Tom riddle.

And I gree that it is rather unlikely that Horcrux can communicate with each other. The soul in the diary had to learn from Ginny to know about Harry and his "future". And when the diary Horcrux was destroyed, Voldemort did not knew anything about it until he forced the truth out of Lucious.

BUT I don not agree that a Horcrux was ever used in the rebirth of Voldemort. What Horcrux exactly do we do not know. But they are, as i expect, like anchors that bound the soul of Voldemort to earth. A splitted soul is forver damaged, there is no chance of recovery.


Oh yeah,

HAPPY NEW YEAR, PEOPLE!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

BUT I don not agree that a Horcrux was ever used in the rebirth of Voldemort. What Horcrux exactly do we do not know. But they are, as i expect, like anchors that bound the soul of Voldemort to earth. A splitted soul is forver damaged, there is no chance of recovery.


Oh yeah,

HAPPY NEW YEAR, PEOPLE!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:Come on, fox.

Dumbledore tells us there are six Horcruxes and the bit of soul that we called Vapormort. That's seven soul pieces. He lists the six Horcruxes, then tells Harry he must destroy them all and then go after that last bit, the seventh part of Voldemort's soul, which is now in a new body.

This means that a Horcrux wasn't used to re-birth Voldemort at all. See, the diary and ring are gone. The locket is missing. The snake is alive. Hufflepuff's cup is somewhere, and there's an unknown Ravenclaw/Gryffindor item lurking somewhere on the planet. That's six Horcruxes. The last bit of soul cannot die until the six Horcruxes are destroyed.

i was just bumping around jk's site rereading stuff and i came across this quote in the facts section in response to a question about why harry forgot about the mirror sirius had given him:
"The mirror might not have helped as much as you think, but on the other hand, will help more than you think. You’ll have to read the final books to understand that!"
first of all, regulus black is dead, otherwise sirius' stuff would have passed to him and not harry. if r.a.b is regulus black, perhaps the service the mirror has still to serve is to remind harry of the black family. or the mirror might show harry something. at any rate, i think the mirror has some sort of connection to harry figuring out the location of a horcrux.

Come on, fox.
I think fox agreed with you kingwidgit, but his spelling seems to have deteriorated.
King, fox, (so good to have you back by the way) aside from Albania - what are your preferred locations?

My short list: 4 horcruxes + Voldie = 5 locations

cave parallels to --> countryside = 1
Riddle House --> 2
London somewhere (12 Grimmauld/Gringotts) --> 3
??? --> 4
Hogwarts --> 5

with stops at Godric's Hollow, the Burrow & possibly Malfoy Manor.
This is all about Hogwarts & the destiny of the wizard world so it has to climax there.

Sirius' mirror

What I can't see about this mirror is that it was part of a pair right? Yet Harry's mirror (given him by Sirius) smashed in the bottom of Harry's trunk at the end of OOP. So there is only the one side left, presumably the one with James Potter.

But what use is a two way mirror when only one is left? Like one of a pair of walkie-talkies ... what can you do with it?
So absent its twin, it should be just a mirror. Why is that such a mystery?

But this leads me to the Baby-Harry-was-Transfigured-by-Lily-into-a-Mirror-and-a-Mirror-into-Baby-Harry-causing-the-Avada-Kedavra-to-Rebound-at-Godric's-Hollow theory.

:birthday: Heppy New Year everyone :clap:

I think fox agreed with you kingwidgit, but his spelling seems to have deteriorated.Whoops...I've been celebratin' all day...possibly misread do to cross-eyes...sorry fox.
King, fox, (so good to have you back by the way) aside from Albania - what are your preferred locations?My faves are still the same:
Hufflepuff's cup = Albania
Locket = 12 Grimmauld Place, in Kreacher's bedroom.
Snake = in the UK, somewhere's, with 'Tail.
Unknown = is undecided still.

with stops at Godric's Hollow, the Burrow & possibly Malfoy Manor.I predict Harry travels to: Albania
12 Grimmauld Place {London}
The Burrow
Godric's Hollow
Hogsmeade
Ministry of Magic/Department of Mysteries
Hogwarts
This is all about Hogwarts & the destiny of the wizard world so it has to climax there.Either there or the MoM/DoM.
What I can't see about this mirror is that it was part of a pair right? Yet Harry's mirror (given him by Sirius) smashed in the bottom of Harry's trunk at the end of OOP. So there is only the one side left, presumably the one with James Potter.
But what use is a two way mirror when only one is left? Like one of a pair of walkie-talkies ... what can you do with it?
So absent its twin, it should be just a mirror. Why is that such a mystery?It's magic, dearie! Reparo! Two-way mirror fixed and in proper working order.
But this leads me to the Baby-Harry-was-Transfigured-by-Lily-into-a-Mirror-and-a-Mirror-into-Baby-Harry- -causing-the-Avada-Kedavra-to-Rebound-at-Godric's-Hollow theory.Wait, I've seen that before...wizard in a mirror, couldn't be injured or killed, dozens of mirrors to see him from, in which he could manifest out of. Each mirror methodically smashed until there were only two to choose from: Break one, kill the barbarian's friends, break the other & the wizard dies---Conan The Destroyer!:p

Actually, now that I think of that bit of the movie, it's quite similar to Voldemort and his Horcruxes, isn't? Odd.:lol:

Heppy New Year everyone :clap::clap:

It's magic, dearie! Reparo! Two-way mirror fixed and in proper working order.

I never thought of that ! His trunk is a mess - I wonder if he still has the shards?

So the mirror is repaired - what then? Will Harry see beyond the veil, or just have two mirrors to communicate with? I don't see it's vitality to the plot unless it relates to the mystery of Godric's Hollow.

Wait, I've seen that before --- Conan The Destroyer!

I never saw the Conan movies. I was just reflecting on the rebound of the Avada Kedavra. Assuming the Avada Kedavra does kill everyone it hits, how did Harry escape? Answer - he wasn't hit. How does the Avada Kedavra, which travels in a straight line "rebound"? Light, even green light, is reflected in mirrors. Voldie shot the spell at a mirror.

So how could Voldie be tricked into doing this and not know it, even today? Since everyone is dead from that night but him, and baby Harry, (who can't remember anything - except not seeing it - only seeing the light), if Lily did trick him, it had to be a good one, that somehow survived her death.

II never saw the Conan movies. I was just reflecting on the rebound of the Avada Kedavra. Assuming the Avada Kedavra does kill everyone it hits, how did Harry escape? Answer - he wasn't hit. How does the Avada Kedavra, which travels in a straight line "rebound"? Light, even green light, is reflected in mirrors. Voldie shot the spell at a mirror.

So how could Voldie be tricked into doing this and not know it, even today? Since everyone is dead from that night but him, and baby Harry, (who can't remember anything - except not seeing it - only seeing the light), if Lily did trick him, it had to be a good one, that somehow survived her death.

Hmm if only a mere mirrior could block the deadliest curse on earth, than, wel i twouldnt be called the dealiest curse on earth now wouldnt it??? And from what we know so far when a curse hit a solid object it destroys them. Like in HBP, yeah thats the best example, the "Big Blonde Death Eater" send ** everywhere and the curses eventually caused the collapse of a wall or something. So if the ** from Voldemort hit a mirrior than the mirrior would had been blown into millions of tiny bite site pieces.


and yes linda my spelling is detei... dereriro... deteriorating, there.

Well , I haven't read the whole of the thread , but if guessing horcruxes :

1) I'd want to keep them near.
2)I was weak and powerless living in central Europe.
3) I AM THE MOST POWERFUL
4)I am vain
5)I trust nobody , kick them , yet have power for no apparent reason.

Of course ,the important point is what happens to reasoning in a seven-part soul - someone has probably already mentioned that discussion in Azkaban.....

Voldemort will probably forget where he left them anyway ; because that what all good panto villains do. (it's having only a bit of soul that does it) (BEHIND YOU ! - always stupid)

Of course , otherwise , the most brilliant student and consumate wizard will have learned and ensured that the Dumbledore fault (absolute trust to stupidity length) will fully revitalise in the final confrontation. He will use that belief to finally negate the rebounded curse. Then he will retire and eat chocolate forever.

The point is that the rational choice really is to leave the horcruxes alone. JK has never suggested that they need maintenance , and surely Malfoy and ilk will eventually dwindle without attention.

But there is the heart of the matter ,and why Dumbledore (so wise) let Hogwarts and Slytherin thrive ? And , where were the Stans educated ?

I wouldn't be totally surprised if somebody suggested that Dumbledore had been infected..........by a horcrux virus

I'm sorry, but WHAT? Your post left me a bit lost. Maybe it's me, but I'm not at all sure what you're saying.

haha squizzer

im confused aswell

but i dont think that dumbledore would have wanted to go and destroy a horcrux if he was infected because if voldemort had put a virus trap on it he would av made one to make the person agree with voldemorts plans

Perhaps these two pages from the HP Lexicon could add to your discusion a bit. Atlas of Wizarding Britain (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/atlas/britain/atlas-b.html). Make sure to check out the Gazetteer (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/atlas/britain/atlas-b-gaz.html) and Map (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/atlas/britain/atlas-b-britain.html) while you're looking.

I guess I had always assumed that Little Hangleton was in Sussex because of a town by that name in Sussex in real life; however, that's far too close to Surrey, so Yorkishire is probably more correct as the Lexicon suggests.

I'm also curious where Godric's Hollow fits into all of this. Hagrid specifically says that Harry was sleeping as they were flying over Cornwall in Chapter 1 of Philosopher's Stone. If one tries to draw a sort of line from any possible location of Godric's Hollow through anywhere over Cornwall to anywhere in Surrey, one must wonder what the devil Hagrid was doing on that motorbike!

Perhaps these two pages from the HP Lexicon could add to your discusion a bit. Atlas of Wizarding Britain (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/atlas/britain/atlas-b.html). Make sure to check out the Gazetteer (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/atlas/britain/atlas-b-gaz.html) and Map (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/atlas/britain/atlas-b-britain.html) while you're looking.

I guess I had always assumed that Little Hangleton was in Sussex because of a town by that name in Sussex in real life; however, that's far too close to Surrey, so Yorkishire is probably more correct as the Lexicon suggests.

I'm also curious where Godric's Hollow fits into all of this. Hagrid specifically says that Harry was sleeping as they were flying over Cornwall in Chapter 1 of Philosopher's Stone. If one tries to draw a sort of line from any possible location of Godric's Hollow through anywhere over Cornwall to anywhere over Surrey, one must wonder what the devil Hagrid was doing on that motorbike!They got a map? Where'd they get it? Must check it out! {see what I get for relying on the old noodle?}:grumble:

Bristol's in Cornwall?

So, then Hagrid would have flown over Wiltshire, to get to Surrey, right? Wonder if he passed the Malfoys?

You know, what I didn't understand was what made you think the Hufflepuff's Cup is located somewhere in Albania...I mean are there any hints suggesting this area, except perhaps the fact that Voldemort spent some time there, wandering and trying to find a decent body??

They got a map? Where'd they get it? Must check it out! {see what I get for relying on the old noodle?}:grumble:
They do, although I think the arrow pointing to Little Hangleton is a little too far north.

Bristol's in Cornwall?

So, then Hagrid would have flown over Wiltshire, to get to Surrey, right? Wonder if he passed the Malfoys?
No it isn't, Bristol is marked on the Wizarding Britain map (between Cardiff and Bath). It's at the top of that estuary that divides South Wales and southwest England.

That said if Hagrid flew via Bristol he would fly over Wiltshire to get to Surrey.

You know, what I didn't understand was what made you think the Hufflepuff's Cup is located somewhere in Albania...I mean are there any hints suggesting this area, except perhaps the fact that Voldemort spent some time there, wandering and trying to find a decent body??
The main discussion on this point took place about 3 versions ago, and now archived, so to sum it up: Seeing that there is one horcrux we have absolutely no knowledge of, this one would be hidden in a place that we know about. The unknown item might stand out, as not belonging there. As for the cup, seeing that Harry knows what it looks like from Hokey's memory, if it was in an unknown location, Harry would be able to recognise it right away. We know Voldie spent time in Albania, during his 10 year absence, and as vapormort, so we speculated this to be the unknown place for a horcrux to be hidden, and the cup was the most feasible.

Oh ok, I see now, thanks. So, uhm let's suppose (even though it is going to happen) Harry goes to Godric's Hollow. I guess he might find something there that can give him a good idea of where the next Horcrux/es is/are. Even though Albania sounds like an interesting alternative, Im not very sure. I mean Albania is a whole country, a whole 28749 square metres area, and I don't think Harry has any idea of the places Voldemort frequented there..I mean, who has?? But I find as a much more worthy possibility of finding a Horcrux, the place where Voldemort grew up. It is something much more significant in this wizard's cursed life.

Oh ok, I see now, thanks. So, uhm let's suppose (even though it is going to happen) Harry goes to Godric's Hollow. I guess he might find something there that can give him a good idea of where the next Horcrux/es is/are. Even though Albania sounds like an interesting alternative, Im not very sure. I mean Albania is a whole country, a whole 28749 square metres area, and I don't think Harry has any idea of the places Voldemort frequented there..I mean, who has?? But I find as a much more worthy possibility of finding a Horcrux, the place where Voldemort grew up. It is something much more significant in this wizard's cursed life.
finding the location in albania? you seem to forget that hermione is on harrys side they know he was hiding in a forest and from harrys recount of voldemorts rebirth they know that wormtail met bertha in the south of albania and took her to the forest i mean how many forests could there be that would fit and then harry is parseltongue he could ask the snakes the same thing that wormtail asked the rats.

and him finding something that leads to albania that sounds like a scavenger hunt sort of thing and why would voldemort do that? i think it more likely that the trio will do a couple of all nighters and do as many here have done in retracing voldemorts life and narrowing the search down through research, or hagrid will let something important slip (AGAIN!) that will help them in the quest.

then a quick note on the harry/mirror theory harry has the scar from the spot that the curse hit and dumbledore said that Lilys love protected harry and when a wizard dies it seems that his magic the non permenant stuff wears off as we saw when dumbledore died (yes/no) harry was freed so the mirror and harry may have switched back and if they didnt switch back then harry would still be a mirror and the mirror living harrys life (that'd be weird).

finding the location in albania? you seem to forget that hermione is on harrys side they know he was hiding in a forest and from harrys recount of voldemorts rebirth they know that wormtail met bertha in the south of albania and took her to the forest i mean how many forests could there be that would fit and then harry is parseltongue he could ask the snakes the same thing that wormtail asked the rats.

and him finding something that leads to albania that sounds like a scavenger hunt sort of thing and why would voldemort do that? i think it more likely that the trio will do a couple of all nighters and do as many here have done in retracing voldemorts life and narrowing the search down through research, or hagrid will let something important slip (AGAIN!) that will help them in the quest.

Well you know I do live in Albania, and believe me, there are a lot, a lot of wild areas, unpopulated, because nobody is interested. People don't really have time to deal with nature, and the number of persons in villages and small cities is getting mcuh smaller. So it is nearly impossible.
But I agree with you. Albania is a bit far-fetched as a possibility. Going to another country would be very complicated (let alone the other part of the continent). And didn't JK say that she woudn't include anymore strangers in her books.

i think albania has merit and they dont have to meet anyone on the way it sounds sort of like another twist of JKRs im not bringing any forgeiners in but she didnt say that they would be going to a forgein land if they apparated into the forest they wouldnt meet any forgeiners along the way

and i still think that harry could ask the snakes for help if they really need it. i stick by Kingwidget i think albania is a location but you are making me a little unsure of my decision considering you live in albania you are an authority in this discussion i guess.

I still believe what I said, although I must admit what Stickz90120 sais is a possibility, too.And beside apparating, they could even use a Portkey.
But now that I think of it there's still Wormtail who ows his life to Harry, so maybe it can be him who can lead Harry and co. to Albania. But where could something that valuable be hidden? Buried deep in the earth?

But it would have been difficult for Voldemort to hide anything during the other visit. Dumbledore was probably having him kept an eye on the whole time he was in the grounds since he suspected he was up to something. The Room of Requirement is interesting though, what did we see in there (in the "Hiding" version)?

All objects in the "Hiding" Version of the room of requirement

Broken furniture
Thousands of Books
Fanged Frisbees
Winged Catapults
Bottles of congealed potion
Hats
Jewels
Cloaks
Dragon Eggshells
Bottles with evily shimmering contents
Rusting swords
A Bloodstained Axe
Stuffed Troll
Broken Vanishing Cabinet
Large Cuboard (acid damaged) containing a Quintaped Skeleton, in Cage
Chipped bust of an Ugly Warlock
Dusty Old Wig
Tarnished Tiara


I think that making a list of what we saw in the room of requirement is a great idea. It helps us focus on the possibilities. I would bet for "Jewel", though I don't think it's that particular Jewel in the room of requirement. I think the Ravenclaw Horcrux will be something of feminine nature, since Ravenclaw was a witch.
My idea od the unknown Horcrux is this: The cursed necklace that was displayed at Borgin's and Burke's! It's in plain vue, so no one suspects it yet. But someone had placed a powerful curse on it, powerful enought to send Katie Bell to St. Mungo's hospital for months for merely brushing a tiny patch of skin against it. It's the same kind of curse which almost killed Dumbledore and withered his hand when he touched the Black ring Horcrux.

I think the other Horcrux which we know about is, the locket, was placed by R.A.B. in Sirius Black's house. In the Order of the Phoenix, we saw Harry and friends cleaning the house, and they found, among other objects, "a heavy locket no one could open". I think this is it. It's the horcrux-locket. It's J.K. Rowling's style to just mention important things while talking about other things.
Unfortunately, it got stolen by Mundungus in the last book (HBP). So Harry will have to go to Azkaban to ask the thief where he hid this object, or to whom he sold it.

Voldemort didn't need to have put a horcrux in place when he went to visit Hogwarts, he had Crouch Jr in the castle all year if he wanted to plant something in the castle.

:gryff: Over Christmas holidays I had my first rereading of the entire series since HBP came out last summer. I have a few new ideas.
In the British edition of HBP on page 339 Voldemort was obsessed with finding his father's wizarding connection. "It seems that he searched in vain for some trace of Tom Riddle Senior on the shields in the trophy room, on the lists of prefects in the old school records, even in the books of wizarding history. Finally he was forced to accept that his father had never set foot in Hogwarts."
Since Voldemort was so obsessed with these areas of honor and so familiar with them, would they not be the first places he would think to conceal his horcruxes?
And I think that J. K . Rowling has placed hints to those things on her website.

1. Trophy room at Hogwarts. Yes, there is a trophy for services to the school mentioned in COS p. 173 (British edition). That was for getting rid of the person who had killed Myrtle. (Why don't we have the honor of her last name? And what house she was in? Surely she is not wise like Ravenclaw but more like "all the rest" of Hufflepuff.) But on JK Rowling's website on the Trophy page there are TWO trophies with Tom Riddle's names on them, only one of which is the Award for Services to the School. Perhaps this is a hint to remind us that Tom was a very capable student and won another trophy for sports, chess, etc. For that Tom might have had more respect than his framing of Hagrid. A trophy among others in a case at a school in plain sight is usually ignored by all who pass by unless it is of great significance to many people. Voldemort does not care for others, just his own glory. Thus the trophy, while significant at the time of the award, is only significant to Voldemort. It is perhaps that trophy that is a horcrux for Myrtle's death.

2. On the lists of prefects in school records. Was Voldemort a prefect? Almost certainly. Was he obsessed with power? Yes. Did he study about prefects? Yes. Who else parallels this? Percy Weasley. Back in COS page 48 "...in a tiny junk shop full of broken wands, wonky brass scales and old cloaks covered in potion stains, they [Harry, Ron, and Hermione] found Percy, deeply immersed in a small and deeply boring book called Prefects Who Gained Power. 'A study of Hogwarts Prefects and their later careers'....
Is this book Percy found cursed and/or a horcrux? Was it a book that once belonged to Voldemort? Could that explain why Percy changed so much? (Of course the movies are not canon, but I have always wondered why Draco Malfoy torn the page out of the front of a book in the COS movie when they were in Florish and Blotts.Was it the front flyleaf with Tom Riddle's name on i?) On JK Rowling's website homepage, she has her own biography. On the honored fansite page there is a trophy for Percy Weasley (bottom shelf on the right, covered (until you portkey out) by a scroll.

3. Even in the books of wizarding history. Dare I suggest another title we have had thrown at us in all the books? Hogwarts: A History. Again perhaps Voldemort's own copy. Who has this copy? Unknown.
Now who was murdered for ideas 2 and 3 to be made into Horcruxes? Three possibilities of the time: Voldemort's Grandparents and Father. The time is right. And Voldemort did not have a lot of possessions as a student. He did have books which would have been common and unnoticed. JK Rowling's website Links page is full of books. Many of the non-link books are about potions, by the way, as well as one book about Harry Potter.

These ideas do not fit in with what many have determined to be the missing cup and locket, Nagini, etc. But these are new ideas to be considered.

Other possible hints on JK Rowling's website to horcruxes:

Horcurx .....Item, Portkey or webpage ..... Murder


Diary...............Home page JK Rowling's Biography .......The Riddles or Myrtle
Trophy............Trophies in honored HP fan websites ......The Riddles or Myrtle
Prefect Book....Library................................... ............ The Riddles or Myrtle
Ring................Locked Room page................................James Potter?
Locket............ no known location..................................Rabastia n Black
Cup.................Home page tea cup to Extra Stuff...........Hepzibah Smith ?
Snake.............Scrapbook extras Norbert.......................Frank Bryce ?
Also note that making the Horcruxes prbably does not require wand magic. Otherwise the Priori Incantantus spell in GOF would have shown that as a spell between the murders of the Riddles, Potters, Frank Bryce, etc.:rave: :huff: :slyth:

But Voldemort didn't trust his "followers". Dumbledore said that he doubted it even though several said that he trusted them with his secrects. He was a loner all the way.

I just can't see that Albania is a place where one is hidden. After the attack on Harry, he lost his powers and fled to that country to hide and bide his time until one of his "faithful" found him. So how could he create one and hide it there? He didn't have any body or physical way of moving around. He could only inhabit and had to depend on mice, snakes, etc and eventually overtaking Quriell to move around. He says so in several places. I'm not totally disagreeing with you but it's just hard for me to accept that Albania is one of the locations. Besides Bertha and Frank weren't that important, other than getting info from Bertha and killing Frank just to get him out of the way

I think he had all of them created before the attack on the Potters and has hidden them all around the British Isles. If he wanted to make sure of his imortality, he would have all of them created and hidden before completing his conquest of the wizard and muggle world. There were several years before the Potters became a threat and since he didn't hear the full prophecy, he just thought that Harry was a potential Dark Lord and Voldermort couldn't stand any competion. That I feel was the reason for the attack. Not that he was going to use Harry's death to create another Horcruxe.

My partial list:
Riddle House, very possibly the family graveyard
Gringotts
Room of Requirement
If not the ROR, then the Trophy Room
Borgin and Burkes

I also think the Pensive holds most if not all the clues. Not only did Dumbledore use it but Snape as well. It seems to be shared by a lot of individuals. And possibly the Mirror of Erised, since Harry's biggest desire is to distroy Voldemort.

With a nod to ProfZoe, the scene where Draco tore out the page didn't make sense to me either. Unless it was the diary and he was assisting his father in some way. But he just tore out the page and then put the book aside.