Tracking Down the Remaining Horcruxes v4.0

Originally Posted by Dedalus Diggle
Ah, so the trio will have to go back to the cave and scoop some water from the inferi-lake to make the inferi come at them; then as Ron and Hermione petrify them one by one (you don't want to dispel them with fire if you want to see what they have), Harry will search each one for a horcrux. I bet spiders won't seem so bad to Ron after that!

Or...they could rent handy scuba diving gear and face the Inferi underwater! I’m sure they’re gentler than grindylows... :rolleyes:

Orginally Posted by nini
Regulus knew that Voldemord and the DEs would kill him if he stole the locket, because he would be taking away part of Voldermord's soul (and life) making him (more) mortal. Seeing how what Voldermord fears most is death it's understanable that he would kill anyone who would try to make him mortal.

Here’s a theory:
The note says: “I know I will be dead long before you read this but I want you to know that it was I who discovered your secret.” Regulus assumes that Voldemort won’t know about the stolen horcrux, which implies that Voldemort wouldn’t know about his betrayal either right? So if Voldemort didn’t know anything then why send DE to kill Regulus? He may not have been killed on Voldemort’s orders.

I think you also need to know exactly where you are going, not just a general location. Apperating is hard enough when you have been to the place you seek, then again he could "see" the location in a memory, and that would help him get there. It is also pretty hard to get places the further away they are, so my bet is on "Witherwings" being Harry's preferred method of travel, and the others will probably ride thestrals.
If they were tipped off to an exact location, either by Wormtail or some other means, Harry would know exactly where to go. Travelling in other ways would just take too long.

I think you also need to know exactly where you are going, not just a general location. Apperating is hard enough when you have been to the place you seek, then again he could "see" the location in a memory, and that would help him get there. It is also pretty hard to get places the further away they are, so my bet is on "Witherwings" being Harry's preferred method of travel, and the others will probably ride thestrals.
well i agree that you need an exact location to apparate but once you know that you are in the right forest harry could do as wormtail did and ask local creatures if they know of a spot where a while ago small animals met their end to i dont remember hoe wormtail phrased it but you get the idea if they search the area they could find something. im starting to doubt the albania thing again we need kingwidget back on here to give us more and remind us of the reasons for albania.:lol:

Here’s a theory:
“I know I will be dead long before you read this but I want you to know that it was I who discovered your secret.” Regulus assumes that Voldemort won’t know about the stolen horcrux, which implies that Voldemort wouldn’t know about his betrayal either right? So if Voldemort didn’t know anything then why send DE to kill Regulus? He may not have been killed on Voldemort’s orders.
If IM not wrong Regulus was murdered for diobeying orders
They're third person limited, which means we see things from Harry's viewpoint. We don't see things from other viewpoints.

eemmmmm I think that it is omnicient, and talks about Harrys story (Harry Potter and...) and its not Harry point of view but the narrator one. Bye

NICE THEORY:


im sorry if this has been discuss before, bbut it was me who started this about the accio horcrux in the cave and I want to continue the theory I started then
Were here it comes:
R.A.B has got into the cave, passed throguh the boat, made somebody drink the potion (if he was Regulus, probably Kreacher) then he missed the inferi part, when he was attaked by them one took the horcrux and they all returened to the water, then he returned to the coast and got out. Now when he took the Locket he put the false one with the letter etc.
So when Harry made the accio horcrux the inferi came out of the water with horcrux in hand an then returned. So when harry realises this will have to return ad in some way go to the part where the inferi was, say accio horcrux, maybe a petrificius totalus and then take the horcrux from it and fight against the other inferi with fire.
Obviously how Harry takes the horcrux may change.
Apart from this, I think that the searching for the 3 horcruxes, exluding Nagini and Voldemort which will be destroyed in the final duel, will be in some way similar to the 3 tasks of the tournament. and this can be the 2nd task, he can eat a bit of this algea, then swuim take the horcrux, and fight against the inferi.

eemmmmm I think that it is omnicient, and talks about Harrys story (Harry Potter and...) and its not Harry point of view but the narrator one. ByeThe story is told from the third person limited omniscient viewpoint. The shorter way of saying that is third person limited. It is only is from Harry's viewpoint and only sees inside his head. Haven't you noticed that we only see and hear events that Harry experiences? And we are inside his head and see his thoughts and emotions. It is not from the narrator's viewpoint, except for background description and some informational exposition, since that would be awkward to try and phrase only through Harry's voice. We experience the stories exactly as Harry experiences them. It makes it more personally Harry's story. On a few rare occasions like the beginning SS/PS, GoF, and HBP, the books have been third person omniscient.

If it was third person omniscient it would see into everyone's head and have all their viewpoints. You can also have third person external viewpoint which doesn't see into any heads but is focused on the viewpoint of one person.

Third person limited is also called third person internal. Both my daughter and I write. I understand POV.

The story is told from the third person limited omniscient viewpoint. The shorter way of saying that is third person limited. It is only is from Harry's viewpoint and only sees inside his head.
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If it was third person omniscient it would see into everyone's head and have all their viewpoints. You can also have third person external viewpoint which doesn't see into any heads but is focused on the viewpoint of one person.

Third person limited is also called third person internal..I agreed with this earlier but I was thinking about this today, coincidentally, and I remembered that we DID see into someone's head other than Harry - the muggle Prime Minister. Isn't that interesting?

I agreed with this earlier but I was thinking about this today, coincidentally, and I remembered that we DID see into someone's head other than Harry - the muggle Prime Minister. Isn't that interesting?
I added that in a further edit. We actually see into Frank Bryce's head too. Those are the two POV breaks except straight third-person narration at the beginning of SS/PS, GoF, and HBP (both in the Other Minister and Spinner's End).

I agreed with this earlier but I was thinking about this today, coincidentally, and I remembered that we DID see into someone's head other than Harry - the muggle Prime Minister. Isn't that interesting?
Exactly, if Im not wrong something similar may happen in the part where the Unbrakable wow takes part. I mean I think this happens every time Harry isnt in the action. And I also think it does with the Dursleys., and sometimes when Harry knows or guess what other people are thinking

Exactly, if Im not wrong something similar may happen in the part where the Unbrakable wow takes part. I mean I think this happens every time Harry isnt in the action. And I also think it does with the Dursleys., and sometimes when Harry knows or guess what other people are thinkingIt does not happen every time Harry isn't in the action since he is always in the action. I previously listed the exact spots where the POV shifted from Harry. That included the chapter Spinner's End where the unbreakable vow took place. They are very rare spots. 99% of the time is Harry internal point of view.

The POV breaks take place at the beginning of SS/PS, GoF, and HBP. In each of those books, once the action shifted to Harry it never left. And notice that JKR made a point of only have the alternative POV at the opening of the books, so it wouldn't have been a distraction.

Please I do know what I am talking about.

Interesting that JKR decided to animate the muggles with internal voices - Bryce and the muggle Prime Minister. Almost as though she were trying to emphasize their souls.

I'm waiting for new pictures on Veritaserum. There were a lot of images in GOF movie I want to pore over ....

I think you have a really good point. I think at some point Dumbledore knew he was going to die fighting against Voldemort and so he may have passed information to his portraits that are so loyal to him. Very good thinking.:clap:

Interesting that JKR decided to animate the muggles with internal voices - Bryce and the muggle Prime Minister. Almost as though she were trying to emphasize their souls.I think she did want to humanize them. And some of the action would have been too confusing without their internal perceptions.

[Here’s a theory:
The note says: “I know I will be dead long before you read this but I want you to know that it was I who discovered your secret.” .[/QUOTE]
I have had a problem, since Harry opened the locket, believing that anyone knew of this hiding place, was able to penetrate the barriers, remove the real horcrux, destroy it (or not), and remain a non-entity throughout the entire series thus far. The only character introduced who has the possible initials of R.A.B. is Regulus Black, of whom we know next to nothing, other than he was Serius' brother, was in Slytherin, became a DE, and was killed when he decided to leave Voldemort. We don't know when, how, who, killed him--we don't even know for certain he is dead, and why would we assume, if the note says that R.A.B. will destroy it that it hasn't been destroyed? And how could Dumbledore have been kept in the dark about this for so long? This whole mystery is too filled with unanswerable questions with the information that has been given to pursue. Also, as to Harry being a horcrux, as much as I hate to think it so, it just seems to me that it is more than possible: 1) Harry exhibits character traits/talents evident in Voldemort 2) his parents deaths was a scene of one of Voldemorts triumphs 3) why was Dumbledore the victim of the "hit" inside Hogwarts instead of Harry if Voldemort is so consumed with effecting Harry's death? 4) the prophesy says: "Neither can live while THE OTHER survives" this statement is ambiguous as to meaning...(at this point in time both live and both survive). Who is the other (or is it WHAT is the other?, Is this a reference to the horcrux(es)? Or is this just another red herring?
And, although I was being facetious in my last post about the gum wrappers, I do have a strong inclination towards believing that NEVILLE is going to be central to if not the conclusion, at least the development of the story (and what about his misbehaving frog?).
Not only that, but do we have a complete list of all the deaths Voldemort was personally involved with? Wasn't that one of the criiteria for what or where a horcrux was/could be found? Whose death was the determining factor for the diary as horcrux--Moaning Mertyl?
Sorry if this posting is filled with more questions than answers, (I hope that is allowed.)
But at this point, I'm not even clear on how many horcrux are yet to be discovered, let alone where they can be found--is it sure that the locket still survives? In that case, do we know for certain the diary (1), the ring (2), Voldemort (3), and Nagini (4), are at least confirmed as horcrux and that (5), (the locket?) (6) and (7) are yet to be determined and discovered? And is it certain that 7 is the absolute number of horcrux(es)? I'm guessing someone out there has the answers...or at least a clearer picture of what the question is.

a clearer picture of what the question is.Well, in this thread we are trying to locate the likely places for the remaining horcruxes (and possibly the seventh piece of soul in Neovoldemort himself). While we may occasionally attempt to link places to specific horcruxes (Hufflepuff cup, unknown Ravenclaw/Gryffindor item, Nagini [people are split on whether or not she is one, but I think we still have to locate her--even if only to know that she isn't a horcrux and Albus was wrong about her. Harry will need to find her in order to know one way or the other!] and the Slytherin locket [people are split into several categories on where that one is and whether or not RAB destroyed it--but Harry has to locate the object in order to know for sure one way or the other!]), it isn't necessary to know the identity of the horcruxes. The requirement for a likely horcrux location is that it be a place we know Voldemort/TommyRiddle/Neovoldemort has been. Some of us also consider places he is likely to have been, but no canon to show that he has (like Gringotts, Egypt, Durmstrang, etc.).

Logic failed me in the pre-HBP hunt for the identity of the HBP, so maybe it isn't useful here, either. But logic suggests that Voldemort would not hide two horcruxes in one place--too risky. The diary was meant for Hogwarts, one way or another. The Gaunt hovel held the ring....but are other parts of Little Hangleton (like the Riddle house and the LH graveyard) sufficiently far away?

[Why couldn't Dumbledore have told Harry which places had been eliminated, ie, checked out by Albus himself? Did Albus only check the Gaunt home and ignore the rest of Little Hangleton? Did he check the orphanage? From whom did he gain knowledge of the seaside area where the orphans went every other summer? ie, Had he been back to the orphanage to get the information, yet fail to check the orphanage itself?]

Hey I just thought...well the locket...? The real one I mean..what if it is still in the cave? What if the message inside the fake locket was just a way of getting rid of intruders?

I do have a strong inclination towards believing that NEVILLE is going to be central to if not the conclusion, at least the development of the story (and what about his misbehaving frog?).
Trevor the Toad.

Well my theory on Trevor is that he is someone transfigured involuntarily into a toad. Interestingly, JKR said an animagus, when transformed, retains a quasi wizard brain, but someone transfigured into an animal would think like an animal. I.e. may not be able to help themselves get out of it. (like Draco the ferret had to be rescued by Prof. McGonagall.)

Trevors like Scabbers, in every book. I love Neville as a character and the actor that plays him in the movies too, so I definitely think he'll be back!

Logic failed me in the pre-HBP hunt for the identity of the HBP, so maybe it isn't useful here, either. But logic suggests that Voldemort would not hide two horcruxes in one place--too risky. The diary was meant for Hogwarts, one way or another. The Gaunt hovel held the ring....but are other parts of Little Hangleton (like the Riddle house and the LH graveyard) sufficiently far away?

I guessed the HBP would be Hagrid, or Hagrid's son by Maxine. So !

Hogwarts is huge and rich in sites that we know. I do not think it impossible that two horcruxes end up there.

There is theft, sale, loss, destruction, movement of people etc. The planned locations of the horcruxes may not be where they end up. Ie, Harry may be on the trail of a horcrux and find out he's not the only one hunting it down, so it will be a race.

DRAT, DANG, BLAST, and CONSARN iT! I thought I had a good one there! Thanks for letting me know I was going off track! I've only been on this thread for 2 days and I'm sorry, I'm just not willing to read all 70 pages of prior postings!

Good Question - about Frank and Alice L.... Why was it so important to go after them?

HMMMMM............
I was really bummed when she shot it down too:grumble: . I really wanted the Longbottoms to do something to stick it to Voldy.

well i agree that you need an exact location to apparate but once you know that you are in the right forest harry could do as wormtail did and ask local creatures if they know of a spot where a while ago small animals met their end to i dont remember hoe wormtail phrased it but you get the idea if they search the area they could find something. im starting to doubt the albania thing again we need kingwidget back on here to give us more and remind us of the reasons for albania.:lol:
Hey, that is my theory. That is how I think that he will find the location in Albania, but I don't think that he will apperate. You also have to remember that the Ministry can track people when they apperate and Harry wants to search in secret. That is why Dumbledore sometimes used Thestrals to travel, so they couldn't track him. That is also why Hagird and Madame Maxine had to travel by train and Harry and Dumbledore had to walk to Hogsmeade.
Some people even tried to say that it would be hard to find the spot because the animals disappearing happened so long ago, but I pointed out that just like the Shrieking Shack still has a reputation for being haunted years after Lupin stopped going there, so so would the forest in Albania.

Originally Posted by Ewyn
If IM not wrong Regulus was murdered for diobeying orders

No, you’re right. Now that I’ve re-read the passage where Sirius talks about Regulus's death I realized that Regulus was killed because of something other than the horcrux. I was previously assuming that his betrayal meant stealing the horcrux but it could’ve been something totally unrelated, and in this case it would make sense that Voldemort would’ve ordered his death. Anyway, I think I’m getting sidetracked here… we should be talking about locations right?


Originally Posted by touchstone
I have had a problem, since Harry opened the locket, believing that anyone knew of this hiding place, was able to penetrate the barriers, remove the real horcrux, destroy it (or not), and remain a non-entity throughout the entire series thus far. The only character introduced who has the possible initials of R.A.B. is Regulus Black, of whom we know next to nothing, other than he was Serius' brother, was in Slytherin, became a DE, and was killed when he decided to leave Voldemort. We don't know when, how, who, killed him--we don't even know for certain he is dead, and why would we assume, if the note says that R.A.B. will destroy it that it hasn't been destroyed? And how could Dumbledore have been kept in the dark about this for so long? This whole mystery is too filled with unanswerable questions with the information that has been given to pursue.

True, we know very little about Regulus but I recommend you read the following thread for theories on his past, motivation, how he got the horcrux, reasons for the note, what happened after he left the cave, his death etc.
http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=77837&page=45

Actually, we do know he’s dead. JKR confirmed this in an interview. I don’t remember the link right now, but I can post it if you want.

Trevor the Toad.

Well my theory on Trevor is that he is someone transfigured involuntarily into a toad. Interestingly, JKR said an animagus, when transformed, retains a quasi wizard brain, but someone transfigured into an animal would think like an animal. I.e. may not be able to help themselves get out of it. (like Draco the ferret had to be rescued by Prof. McGonagall.)


I think that is a good idea, I once thought that maybe Nevilles gram had him gaurdng Neville, but try this idea on.
Tonks had the ability to change her apperance until she got depressed by Lupin. Merope could not or would not do magic to save herself. What if Trevor is an Animagi and something happened while he was a toad that caused him not to be able to transform back. He either needs someone to change him back or the reason that he lost his magic has to be resolved in order for him to be human again. If Wormtail is any indication of his character, and the fact that he keeps trying to hop off, Ithink that he is hidding from someone.
Or how about if the Longbottoms had some information and told it to Trevor. then the Death Eaters showed up and they had to do something quick. They turned Trevor into a toad, sort of the way Slugo turned himself into a chair and then they were not able to turn him back and no one else knew he was a toad.

I think that is a good idea, I once thought that maybe Nevilles gram had him gaurdng Neville, but try this idea on.
Tonks had the ability to change her apperance until she got depressed by Lupin. Merope could not or would not do magic to save herself. What if Trevor is an Animagi and something happened while he was a toad that caused him not to be able to transform back. He either needs someone to change him back or the reason that he lost his magic has to be resolved in order for him to be human again. If Wormtail is any indication of his character, and the fact that he keeps trying to hop off, Ithink that he is hidding from someone.
Or how about if the Longbottoms had some information and told it to Trevor. then the Death Eaters showed up and they had to do something quick. They turned Trevor into a toad, sort of the way Slugo turned himself into a chair and then they were not able to turn him back and no one else knew he was a toad.
Ah, so Trevor is RAB! :agree: Or maybe he's the Hufflepuff Cup, placed with the Longbottoms for protection and now in the care of the fiercest wizard at Hogwarts! :p

I havent read all the responses on this topic just yet, but from what I have read has not convinced me.

Likely Places
Europe
europe may be a fair choice, the giants are aiding the death eaters, this could be by guarding a horcrux? as giants have such a high resistance to magic they would be a good choice and have a good location as death eaters were seen giving an item to the giants. what was the item?

With voldermolt (Possibly the snake as dumbledore stated)
This could possibly one of the last tasks harry has to undertake before facing voldermolt. It could even be ron/ hermione's tasks while harry faces voldermolt? We have been told that a horcrux can be living but is risky, voldermolt is a parsel tongue, what was the snakes name? (mentioned in prizoner of azkaban) we dont know how long this snake has lived, but 13 years is a possibile lifetime for a snake?


Unlikely Places
Hogwarts
I dont believe ANY horcrux is at hogwarts. Dumbledore state in the cave that the horcruxes would only be obtainable to those with a great power and would not be easy to get hold of. There are no threats in hogwarts to support a horcrux being located at hogwarts. And Lucius Malfoy had one of the horcruxes when he gave it to jenny. We dont really know if other death eaters have these horcruxes.

Egypt
There is no real reason for it to be in egypt, but they stated that there are dragons being STUDIED there. That could prove a danger to an average wizard, but I think a worthy opponent to voldermolt could take it with no real problems. Remember we need to bare in mind that the wizard must be a worthy opponent to voldermolt. Harry potter took on the dragon without his wand. Someone as good as voldermolt would find dragons not so much of a problem Im sure. Yes its a possibility, as having other tasks to complete in the presence of dragons but I dont think there is a need for them to be in egypt. There are dragons all over europe (Welsh, swedish etc) not one I would regard as a probability. And I cant see harry going to egypt.

Orphanage
I dont think any horcruxes will be located at the orphanage. Its just not worthy of being there, nor is it a dangerous place. We have already had a reference to his days at the orphanage and the only place he did wrong there.


I can only think of 2 places so that remains 2 unsolved, if they have been identified above then there we go :) just couldnt be ***** to read 71 pages lol! JK said that the fans outhere should be able to locate at least 1 of the horcruxes, but I dont think we was meant to be able to find all of them. Maybe we still need some important information.

There is no real reason for it to be in egypt, but they stated that there are dragons being STUDIED there.
Charlie studies dragons in Romania, not Egypt. Egypt is the place with all the nasty curses...protecting the material objects expected to reflect the resources for the dead in the afterlife. I can't think of any canon that places Voldemort in Egypt, but it's undeniably a place where the ancients sought immortality and there is canon to support the idea of powerful protective curses there (though they are in association to the Weasley family vacation).

ok now everyone bear with me. i know this is gonna sound kinda ridiculous but think about it. in the chamber of secrets video game on game cube( i dont know about any other systems), when you first put the game in before you select anything the game shows little parts from the game. there is one clip it shows however that has not been in any harry potter book, yet. it shows our 3 hereos running in what looks like a volcano. the floor beneath them crumbles and harry has to save ron before he falls. now ive always wondered why they put that in the game when it hasnt happened in any of the books. then it hit me. the trio has to go into a volcano or cave with lava in it to get a horcrux. it seems like some thing voldemort would do, it seems like it would be pretty dangerous to get to. whats everything think?

I have a theory about one of the horcruxes. After re-reading chamber of secrets, Tom Riddle says to Harry in the Chamber on pg.310 (American Version), "I grew powerful, far more powerful than Miss Weasley. Powerful enough to start feeding Miss Weasley a few of MY secrets, to start pouring a little of MY soul back into HER...". Does anyone think that this could be hint at Ginny being a horcruxe? It would fit into the plot nicely.

Ah, so Trevor is RAB! :agree: Or maybe he's the Hufflepuff Cup, placed with the Longbottoms for protection and now in the care of the fiercest wizard at Hogwarts! :p
:lol: :lol: . I know, but something like that would be a twist that no one would suspect, except for those of us that obsess about every little word that Jo writes.
I like Egypt, because not only was the vacation there, but that is where Serius saw Wormtail, which lead Harry to the truth about what happened to his parents, then there is the turban that Quirrelmort wore, plus so many more Egyption references.

Does anyone think that this could be hint at Ginny being a horcruxe? It would fit into the plot nicely.
JKR has said that Ginny is in no way a horcrux, she doesn't harbor any part of Voldemort's soul.

I have a theory about one of the horcruxes. After re-reading chamber of secrets, Tom Riddle says to Harry in the Chamber on pg.310 (American Version), "I grew powerful, far more powerful than Miss Weasley. Powerful enough to start feeding Miss Weasley a few of MY secrets, to start pouring a little of MY soul back into HER...". Does anyone think that this could be hint at Ginny being a horcruxe? It would fit into the plot nicely.
JK addressed this in the post-HBP interview.MA: Someone put it to me last night, that if Ginny, with the diary -

JKR: Harry definitely destroyed that piece of soul, you saw it take shape, you saw it destroyed, it’s gone. And Ginny is definitely in no way possessed by Voldemort.That fragment of soul is dead, Ginny is not a Horcrux....

ok now everyone bear with me. i know this is gonna sound kinda ridiculous but think about it. in the chamber of secrets video game on game cube( i dont know about any other systems), when you first put the game in before you select anything the game shows little parts from the game. there is one clip it shows however that has not been in any harry potter book, yet. it shows our 3 hereos running in what looks like a volcano. the floor beneath them crumbles and harry has to save ron before he falls. now ive always wondered why they put that in the game when it hasnt happened in any of the books. then it hit me. the trio has to go into a volcano or cave with lava in it to get a horcrux. it seems like some thing voldemort would do, it seems like it would be pretty dangerous to get to. whats everything think?
That would be cool and exciting and ... a dead giveaway. I just can't imagine JKR giving so much to game designers. To the HP-world, it would be the equivalent of the Babelfish.

Thanks, I thought I was on to something. I figured it was a perfect way for Voldemort to use Ginny to get to Harry in some way.

I cant imagine a horcrux being in a volcano, the 7th book was no where near being finished then. But then maybe she planned it before. Would be ok but a bit lord of the rings'ish.

Sorry about my lack of memory on the egypt scene hehe. Egypt is only reference with the weasley's holiday, yes its a place of study for imortality but I dont think voldermolt would find it neccesary to go to egypt just because of that. sounds a bit cleshey and doesnt really have any relevance to voldermolt. But who knows. I've seen alot of theories to egypt. I just cant see it happening.

The horcruxes can be in,
1.Godrics Hollow
2. That house where he visited the Hufflepuff descendent
3. With one of his Death Eaters
4. Borgin and Brukes??

You also have to remember that the Ministry can track people when they apperate
No it can't. If it could track people it would have been able to follow the DEs who attacked at the QWC. Or it could have tracked Voldemort and crew when they apparated away from the MoM.

I think that if a Horcrux is hidden at Borgin & Burkes, it is likely in a place more elaborate than some secret compartment. Perhaps there is a trap door leading to some tunnels or catacombs. The catacombs likely were installed by a previous tenant of the Borgin & Burkes shop, and Borgin & Burkes don't even know they exist, but Voldemort found them. He then would have placed a Horcrux in the catacombs and set enchantments all over them.

Harry first would have to get into Borgin & Burkes undetected. Then he would have to find the trap door, and then he would have to deal with all the enchantments before getting to the Horcrux.

Actually, we do know he’s dead. JKR confirmed this in an interview. I don’t remember the link right now, but I can post it if you want.

Yes please, that would be very helpful, because the only theory I have seen (other than my half-baked guess that R.A.B is an acronym, not initials) is that the R.A.B. stands for Regulus Black. Well, that's okay if he is dead, the note in the locket said he would be dead before it (the locket) was retrieved. So, again, I ask, why is it presumed that the horcrux that was supposed to be there hasn't been destroyed? What did I miss?
Now, what do we have? The diary #1 horcrux Destroyed, The ring #2 horcrux Destroyed, (but we don't know how, or where it was discovered, or how it was retrieved, or how Dumbledore's hand was burned), The locket #3 horcrux Unaccounted for, Voldemort #4 horcrux, Nagini, (or whatever, the snake) #5 horcrux, so, now, if the theory of seven horcrux's created is correct there are two more -- ok. I think one is in Gringotts. That's all I have, Why? Because in SS/PS Gringotts was broken into and nothing was taken, and Bill Weasley works there, and it is already a highly secured area that Voldemort would no doubt covet.

Yes please, that would be very helpful, because the only theory I have seen (other than my half-baked guess that R.A.B is an acronym, not initials) is that the R.A.B. stands for Regulus Black. Well, that's okay if he is dead, the note in the locket said he would be dead before it (the locket) was retrieved. So, again, I ask, why is it presumed that the horcrux that was supposed to be there hasn't been destroyed? What did I miss?
Now, what do we have? The diary #1 horcrux Destroyed, The ring #2 horcrux Destroyed, (but we don't know how, or where it was discovered, or how it was retrieved, or how Dumbledore's hand was burned), The locket #3 horcrux Unaccounted for, Voldemort #4 horcrux, Nagini, (or whatever, the snake) #5 horcrux, so, now, if the theory of seven horcrux's created is correct there are two more -- ok. I think one is in Gringotts. That's all I have, Why? Because in SS/PS Gringotts was broken into and nothing was taken, and Bill Weasley works there, and it is already a highly secured area that Voldemort would no doubt covet.Here you go: World Book Day (http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2004/0304-wbd.htm)* Cathedral: Will we be hearing anything from Sirius Black's brother, Regulus, in future books?
JK Rowling replies -> Well, he's dead, so he's pretty quiet these days.

The horcruxes can be in,
1.Godrics Hollow
Unlikely - Voldemort probably would have put one there if Harry's murder had been successful.
2. That house where he visited the Hufflepuff descendent
The house was searched thoroughly by Hepzibah's family. Voldemort wants his Horcruxes kept safe and away from people who might try to destroy them if they found out what he'd done.
3. With one of his Death Eaters
I would think he'd learnt from the diary experience that his Death Eaters are not trustworthy enough to take care of a Horcrux.
4. Borgin and Brukes??
Possible. He'd have to make sure it wasn't sold accidentally.

I think we can see something more along the lines of the horcrux in the cave.

Voldermolt wouldnt want horcruxes to be found by just anyone, there fore he would have horcruxes in an isolated location, to have it under anyones nose is just asking for trouble. Remember that he has set it up so only those worthy of fighting him can get near the horcruxes. So any of the tasks would not be easy, we seen inferia in the cave, Im guessing we can see more of them or other creatures. I cant see them being tamed to stay in their cave. Inferia (if thats their name :p) yeah but I cant imagine another creature for 13 years!

personally I think the giants may have recently been given a horcrux "unknowingly" when hagrid seen the death eaters giving a present to the leader.

we are debating on the snake nagira (spelt right?) being a horcrux. I dont believe death eaters will have a horcrux simply because (as stated above) voldermolt doesnt trust them. I think he would give them to put in a safe location, but that is it. lucius is told to be his most trusted death eater but since he cocked up. well you know the rest.

Unlikely -
I would think he'd learnt from the diary experience that his Death Eaters are not trustworthy enough to take care of a Horcrux.
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IT CAn be with the death eaters because LV come to know that they are not careful abt the horcrux in the second book and by then, he would have already finished making the Horcruxes.

The house was searched thoroughly by Hepzibah's family.
And if Voldy didn't immediately make the cup a horcrux...? Or didn't immediately hide it? [Sorry, devil's advocate.]

I think it would be most realistic if at least one family member is still searching the house environs...Surely the story of how her house-elf poisoned Great Auntie Hepzibah, coupled with the mysteriously missing items--searched for in all of Auntie's hiding spots and everywhere else--would fuel the imagination of at least one youngster who would attempt to check for him/herself....After all, these items reputedly had many magical powers. IT CAn be with the death eaters because Voldemort come to know that they are not careful abt the horcrux in the second book and by then, he would have already finished making the Horcruxes.I think that after learning of the diary's fate, if any other horcruxes had been placed with Death Eaters, Voldemort would have moved them to more "suitable" locations in the intervening time (between learning of the diary's destruction and the end of HBP).

I am still wondering about Bellatrix saying, "The Dark Lord has, in the past, entrusted me with his most precious -- if Lucius hadn't --" Had she once been entrusted with a horcrux object? I know the context of that conversation dealt with the "fiasco at the Ministry", but JKR is shifty about such references, especially when a character gets interrupted. Narcissa interrupts Bella before she says what Lucius did to change her status of being "entrusted with his most precious"....what? Is Bellatrix someone who knows one of the horcrux locations? (For Harry's sake, let's hope it isn't the cave or the Gaunt home!)

I think it would be most realistic if at least one family member is still searching the house environs...Surely the story of how her house-elf poisoned Great Auntie Hepzibah, coupled with the mysteriously missing items--searched for in all of Auntie's hiding spots and everywhere else--would fuel the imagination of at least one youngster who would attempt to check for him/herself....After all, these items reputedly had many magical powers.
Most likely. Plus Hepzibah had a reputation for 'having many hiding places' for her precious possessions, to the extent that it took the family a while to be sure they were really gone. Mind you, if Hokey were still alive (when did Dumbledore get the memory?), why wouldn't they just ask her where all the hiding places were?

But it seems like once the family realised the locket and the cup had been stolen, they did suspect the involvement of the young man from Borgin & Burkes who had mysteriously disappeared after the visit. This boils down to how many people know Tom Riddle and Lord Voldemort are the same person? According to Dumbledore it isn't well known.

I am still wondering about Bellatrix saying, "The Dark Lord has, in the past, entrusted me with his most precious -- if Lucius hadn't --" Had she once been entrusted with a horcrux object?
I think Bellatrix is refering to the diary. I think she was entrusted with it and gave it Lucius while she was out torturing the Longbottoms. I base this on Lucius being the politician-type who can never be entirely trusted - the same goes for Snape. I don't see Voldemort himself trusting Lucius with a Horcrux.

I have a theory about one of the horcruxes. After re-reading chamber of secrets, Tom Riddle says to Harry in the Chamber on pg.310 (American Version), "I grew powerful, far more powerful than Miss Weasley. Powerful enough to start feeding Miss Weasley a few of MY secrets, to start pouring a little of MY soul back into HER...". Does anyone think that this could be hint at Ginny being a horcruxe? It would fit into the plot nicely.

That's really interesting. I'm going to read that chapter again

I have a theory about one of the horcruxes.

Please, any theories about WHAT a Horcrux may be needs to go in the Identifying the Horcruxes (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=81087) thread.

Please try and keep this thread confined to WHERE the Remaining Horcruxes may be hidden. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Nicole
I am still wondering about Bellatrix saying, "The Dark Lord has, in the past, entrusted me with his most precious -- if Lucius hadn't --" Had she once been entrusted with a horcrux object? I know the context of that conversation dealt with the "fiasco at the Ministry", but JKR is shifty about such references, especially when a character gets interrupted. Narcissa interrupts Bella before she says what Lucius did to change her status of being "entrusted with his most precious"....what? Is Bellatrix someone who knows one of the horcrux locations? (For Harry's sake, let's hope it isn't the cave or the Gaunt home!)


Hmm interesting. Bellatrix is growing increasingly important as the books progress and this might have something to do with it. Although they could've only been talking about entrusting her with the job of infitrating the ministry, it is JKR's style to leave a hidden meaning in the text and "his most precious" sounds more like an object description since it's indicating possesion.
Also, could someone post the reference where they talk about Voldemort handing Lucius the diary? I don't remember when we find out that Voldemort intended the diary to be a weapon-like horcurx and that Lucius just placed it at the wrong time and without his orders.

could someone post the reference where they talk about Voldemort handing Lucius the diary? I don't remember when we find out that Voldemort intended the diary to be a weapon-like horcurx and that Lucius just placed it at the wrong time and without his orders.
Sure. (bolding mine) [Dumbledore is saying]"...but he was not aware, for instance, that the diary had been destroyed until he forced the truth out of Lucius Malfoy. When Voldemort discovered that the diary had been mutilated and robbed of all its powers, I am told that his anger was terrible to behold."
"But I thought he meant Lucius Malfoy to smuggle it into Hogwarts?"
"Yes, he did, years ago, when he was sure he would be able to create more Horcruxes, but still Lucius was supposed to wait for Voldemort's say-so, and he never received it, for Voldemort vanished shortly after giving him the diary.
"No doubt he thought that Lucius would not dare do anything with the Horcrux other than guard it carefully, but he was counting too much upon Lucius's fear of a master who had been gone for years and whom Lucius believed dead. Of course, Lucius did not know what the diary really was. I understand that Voldemort had told him the diary would cause the Chamber of Secrets to reopen because it was cleverly enchanted. Had Lucius known he held a portion of his master's soul in his hands, he would undoubtedly have treated it with more reverence -- but instead he went ahead and carried out the old plan for his own ends: By planting the diary upon Arthur Weasley's daughter, he hoped to discredit Arthur and get rid of a highly incriminating magical object in one stroke. Ah, poor Lucius...what with Voldemort's fury about the fact that he threw away the Horcrux for his own gain, and the fiasco at the Ministry last year, I would not be surprised if he is not secretly glad to be safe in Azkaban at the moment."And if Bella was once entrusted with "his most precious" horcrux (whether she knows that it is a horcrux or not), it seems likely that she no longer has it.

Well, more recently hidden horcruxes may have somewhat stronger magical traces, maybe? A tad easier to find? You know, this is making me wonder if the Ministry Mission didn't serve more than one purpose. A cover for Voldemort's own actions (hiding a horcrux somewhere in the Ministry?) along with the chance to get the Prophecy? He seemed to appear in the Atrium at a rather suspicious time...how did he know he needed to be there?

I'm sure there will be a Horcrux hidden inside Hogwarts. It was where Tom learned magic, and Dumbledore has said that Voldemort wanted his Horcrux's, and where he puts his Horcrux's, to have some kind of magical value or importance to him. What could be more important than the place where he learned magic? I believe there is a Horcrux still in Hogwarts, something that cannot be removed from there.

I'm sure there will be a Horcrux hidden inside Hogwarts. It was where Tom learned magic, and Dumbledore has said that Voldemort wanted his Horcrux's, and where he puts his Horcrux's, to have some kind of magical value or importance to him. What could be more important than the place where he learned magic? I believe there is a Horcrux still in Hogwarts, something that cannot be removed from there.
More and more I'm thinking the Slytherin common room is a good place. Teachers are almost never there. It's where Riddle really became Voldemort and enlisted his first Death Eaters. He probably learned a lot of hos dark magis and Slytherin family connections there as well.

EDIT - and it helps that it is a place that we have seen before.

Hmm interesting. Bellatrix is growing increasingly important as the books progress and this might have something to do with it. Although they could've only been talking about entrusting her with the job of infitrating the ministry, it is JKR's style to leave a hidden meaning in the text and "his most precious" sounds more like an object description since it's indicating possesion.

HBP makes it quite clear that the DE's do not know about the Horcruxes. Bellatrix believes that Voldemort trusts her with his secrets. However, as Dumbledore explains to Harry, Voldemort trusts nobody: the DE's just delude themselves into thinking that he does.


Also, could someone post the reference where they talk about Voldemort handing Lucius the diary? I don't remember when we find out that Voldemort intended the diary to be a weapon-like horcurx and that Lucius just placed it at the wrong time and without his orders.

Dumbledore explains this to Harry in HBP in the Horcruxes chapter. Voldemort gave it to Malfoy prior to Godric's Hollow: the plan was to use the Diary to possess a student and thereby release the Basilisk. We can glean other elements of the plan. The deaths caused by the Basilisk probably would unseat Dumbledore from power, opening the way for a Voldemort supporter to take over. (Remember that many Voldemort supporters were prominent members of Wizarding society.)

The plan also would have gotten the Diary down to the Chamber of Secrets, where it would have lain forever more. It was a plan with risk: the Horcrux would be exposed to other people, and it would be someplace where (on a long shot) Dumbledore might find it. However, if Voldemort badly wanted a Horcrux in Hogwarts, then this was the only way that he'd be able to do it, because Dumbledore was not going anywhere anytime soon.



I'm sure there will be a Horcrux hidden inside Hogwarts. It was where Tom learned magic, and Dumbledore has said that Voldemort wanted his Horcrux's, and where he puts his Horcrux's, to have some kind of magical value or importance to him. What could be more important than the place where he learned magic? I believe there is a Horcrux still in Hogwarts, something that cannot be removed from there.

More and more I'm thinking the Slytherin common room is a good place. Teachers are almost never there. It's where Riddle really became Voldemort and enlisted his first Death Eaters. He probably learned a lot of hos dark magis and Slytherin family connections there as well.

The Slytherin Common room would not be a good place for one: with all of the young witches and wizards practicing magic all the time, there is too much chance of some harm coming to it. Obviously, it could not be well-guarded, or someone would have triggered it.

This also would be a disastrous place from Harry's point of view. What would make him think to look there? How could he get in there to look? He cannot tell MacGonagal or Slughorn what he is doing, and it's not like that is a place where he is welcome. In many ways, getting through more traps will be easier (espeically with the Arithmency whiz with him).

Also, it seems too much to expect that Dumbledore would not have considered this, if it were plausible. Dumbledore's hunches usually are correct, and Dumbledore seems to have given Hogwarts all the attention that he thinks it merits.

And, of course, we have no evidence that Voldemort was making Horcruxes while he had access to Hogwarts. He might have turned the Ring into one while he was there: however, we do not know exactly when he learned the encasing spell. He almost certainly had only a single Horcrux when he killed Hepzibah Smith (Voldemort was only slightly distorted), and that was hidden elsewhere.

That pretty much precludes hiding a Horcrux in the Slytherin common room: can you really see him trusting the child of a Death Eater to deliver something to the common room and to hide it there, without that person later wondering what it was, etc.? The Diary had a good cover story: this will unseat Dumbledore. We just don't have any evidence of any similar escapades.


EDIT - and it helps that it is a place that we have seen before.

We should not expect Horcruxes to be in a place that we've "visited" before. Instead, they should be in places that we can glean with the knowledge that we have. Now, this might be very general: we have no idea where Voldemort learned to make Horcruxes, but we know that such a place would be important to him.

However, having them lying around in places that Harry has easily visited would introduce a plot-hole known as an idiot plot: Voldemort would have to be acting incredibly stupidly, and also contrary to the way that Dumbledore has shown us that he acts. Voldemort is incredibly secretive, paranoid and distrusting. The two hiding places were from locations deep in his unknown past, and very well protected: we saw what the curse protecting the Ring did to Dumbledore's arm, and we saw what the Cave was like. The Diary was unusual, in that it had to aggressively seek out its hiding place. We should expect the Cup and the unknown object probabl


Again, the Diary probably was supposed to be the Hogwarts Horcrux. We should look outside of there. One place in particular will be where ever it was that Voldemort actually learned the encasing spell. Obviously, that was not in Hogwarts!

I think that after learning of the diary's fate, if any other horcruxes had been placed with Death Eaters, Voldemort would have moved them to more "suitable" locations in the intervening time (between learning of the diary's destruction and the end of HBP).


I dont think LV could move it when he was 'less than a spirit' because he had troubles living then. So It is possible that he moved it from the time he got a body and HBP.

I dont think LV could move it when he was 'less than a spirit' because he had troubles living then. So It is possible that he moved it from the time he got a body and HBP."Between learning of the diary's destruction and the end of HBP"---Nicole was speaking of not when the diary was destroyed in CoS, but rather when Voldemort learned of the diary's destruction.

Voldemort learned of the diary's destruction sometime between his failure to kill Harry in the cemetery on June 24,1995 and the end of OoP. Voldemort had to force the truth out of Malfoy, which he would have done sometime after the cemetery incident. By the time Malfoy led the Death Eaters in the DoM, Voldemort had already learned of Malfoy's perfidy and the loss of the diary."Ah, poor Lucius...what with Voldemort's fury about the fact that he threw away the Horcrux for his own gain, and the fiasco at the Ministry last year, I would not be surprised if he is not secretly glad to be safe in Azkaban at the moment."
Between learning of the diary's destruction and the end of HBP is roughly a two year period---June 24, 1995 through the early weeks of June 1997---in which Voldemort learned of the diary's destruction and could have removed other Horcruxes out of the hands of his Death Eaters to put in more secure locales {had he actually left one or more with other Death Eaters prior to his downfall}.

argh. THINK PEOPLE.

Hogwarts is the safest place for a good person. Do you really think he would put a horcrux in a place that he and his death eaters could never get to without being attacked? come on think!

Between learning of the diary's destruction and the end of HBP is roughly a two year period---June 24, 1995 through the early weeks of June 1997---in which Voldemort learned of the diary's destruction and could have removed other Horcruxes out of the hands of his Death Eaters to put in more secure locales {had he actually left one or more with other Death Eaters prior to his downfall}.Thanks for clarifying that, kingwidgit! And if any other Death Eaters had a horcrux in their keeping at some point, Neovoldemort has had the additional year of HBP to hide them more securely. I think he would still use some obscure site from his past that was memorable/significant to him...
Do you really think he would put a horcrux in a place that he and his death eaters could never get to without being attacked?Hey, Voldy expects to live forever...but he doesn't expect Dumbledore to do so...And, really, does Voldy need access to his horcruxes in order for them to be effective? No. He apparently didn't even check on the locket in the cave after learning of the diary's destruction (and that's at least a year after learning about the fate of the diary...), so he doesn't seem terribly concerned about checking on his horcruxes.

argh. THINK PEOPLE.

Hogwarts is the safest place for a good person. Do you really think he would put a horcrux in a place that he and his death eaters could never get to without being attacked? come on think!
Firstly, I want to welcome you to the CoS forums. Secondly, we prefer to keep the level of discussion at a couple of notches lower than you. So, please try and be a little less condescending. Thanks.

Now, back to the topic at hand. If any Horcrux is hidden in Hogwarts, then I presume the only place that would appeal to Voldemort would be the Chamber of Secrets. It has too many built-in safeguards (put in by Salazar Slytherin, himself) that would appeal to Voldemort. Not the least of which, is Parseltongue being needed to access it and having a Basilisk as a guardian. I can't remember if Lucius was told that the Basilisk was slain by Harry, or not. In which case, Voldemort would still be under the impression that it still lives. Although, Snape could have been told by Dumbledore of its demise and, thus, relayed that info to Voldemort along with Harry being a Parselmouth.

I still believe that Voldemort would have used the Chamber to hide another Horcrux. My guess is Hufflepuff's Cup. Hufflepuff is related to Earth. The Chamber is deep within the Earth, below the castle. At the time he would have hidden the Cup there, he thought he was the only Parselmouth, knew how rare that trait was, and would have needed no further protections. Even if someone came along later who had Parseltongue, they'd have to find the Chamber, and know to look for a Horcrux there.

Just my thoughts.

Can the horcrux be in the ministry-Department of Mysteries?

Can the horcrux be in the ministry-Department of Mysteries?
That would be an extremely risky and dangerous place for Voldemort to have ever trusted putting one there. The Ministry is composed of good wizards and witches, not exactly they type Voldemort would associate with.

If one were there, I'm sure Dumbledore would have been told of it and would have checked it out. He started looking for the Horcruxes after the Diary.

Can the horcrux be in the ministry-Department of Mysteries?
Well, we can't place Neovoldemort in the Department of Mysteries, but we can say he has been to the Ministry. (We can only assume that he may have visited as Tommy Riddle to get his apparation license, but I got the impression that those students who passed the test at school didn't have to go to the Ministry to get the license...) Still, we know Neovoldemort showed up in the Atrium at the end of OotP, but we don't know just what prompted him to do so (too impatient to wait for the Prophecy Orb? Wanted to hear it ASAP--right there in the Atrium? Knew his Death Eaters were failing in their task?). If he was in the Ministry just prior to that, what was he doing? Did the Death Eater Prophecy Mission also provide a cover for Neovoldemort's activity there? (ie, Did the Prophecy group distract attention so Neovoldy could place a horcrux there? One that had formerly been in the keeping of a Death Eater--the way the Diary was?)

maybe the horcrux is the prophecy that Neville smashed? This may have been said already, but I dob't have a big enough attention span to read the whole thread.

Firstly, I want to welcome you to the CoS forums. Secondly, we prefer to keep the level of discussion at a couple of notches lower than you. So, please try and be a little less condescending. Thanks.

Now, back to the topic at hand. If any Horcrux is hidden in Hogwarts, then I presume the only place that would appeal to Voldemort would be the Chamber of Secrets. It has too many built-in safeguards (put in by Salazar Slytherin, himself) that would appeal to Voldemort. Not the least of which, is Parseltongue being needed to access it and having a Basilisk as a guardian. I can't remember if Lucius was told that the Basilisk was slain by Harry, or not. In which case, Voldemort would still be under the impression that it still lives. Although, Snape could have been told by Dumbledore of its demise and, thus, relayed that info to Voldemort along with Harry being a Parselmouth.

I still believe that Voldemort would have used the Chamber to hide another Horcrux. My guess is Hufflepuff's Cup. Hufflepuff is related to Earth. The Chamber is deep within the Earth, below the castle. At the time he would have hidden the Cup there, he thought he was the only Parselmouth, knew how rare that trait was, and would have needed no further protections. Even if someone came along later who had Parseltongue, they'd have to find the Chamber, and know to look for a Horcrux there.

Just my thoughts.

Appologies for my first comment.

In reference to your comment on the chamber of secrets, it would still be much to difficult for any death eater or voldermolt to get access too, remembering that nobody can transcend (or whatever) into hogwarts, therefore need to just walk up to the gates. Firstly I can imagine death eaters at the gates would cause panic on the streets, secondly hagrid (keeper of keys and access to hogwarts) would know about it, thirdly they would have to face the proffesors AND dumbledore before getting there, NONE of the death eaters speak parsel tongue so it would have to be voldermolt to get access to the horcrux, we then have to think about why he would go to get a horcrux? Because he's been killed so we can rule the possibility of him getting it. So no death eater would be able to get to it. So in other words, he's made it impossible for a death eater to get it, but who ever has a parcel tongue can. Jenny got in because she was under the influence of voldermolt. But does this mean for a death eater to get it, they would need to be under voldermolts control? I cant see that happening.

Also if it was the case, the only thing protecting the cup would be the basilisk. this could only be summoned by a parsel mouth, as well as accessed. The Basilisk is also dead now, which seemed easy for harry when faux took out his eyes. There is nothing in there described where the cup could be, not only that but 1 basilisk alone is not something voldermolt would use to protect a horcrux, its too easy for someone as a worthy opponent to voldermolt to get past.

I do not know of any places that could pose a good location to place a horcrux, we are talking about something on the same level to that of the cave. The only place that I can imagine would pose such a threat would either be in the forbiden forest, or in the room of requirement (With possible reference to when harry went into it to find a good hiding place for the book). Other than that I cant see a safe place there.

Thanks for clarifying that, kingwidgit! And if any other Death Eaters had a horcrux in their keeping at some point, Neovoldemort has had the additional year of HBP to hide them more securely. I think he would still use some obscure site from his past that was memorable/significant to him...
Hey, Voldy expects to live forever...but he doesn't expect Dumbledore to do so...And, really, does Voldy need access to his horcruxes in order for them to be effective? No. He apparently didn't even check on the locket in the cave after learning of the diary's destruction (and that's at least a year after learning about the fate of the diary...), so he doesn't seem terribly concerned about checking on his horcruxes.

I think he doesnt need to check that they are still there POSSIBLY because he can feel they still exist. Althought the horcrux was taken, it hasnt (as far as we know) been destroyed... or has it.The locket at sirius's house could be it, but then it just may be without voldermolts soul. Personally I think it was taken by regulus but he was killed before he could destroy the horcrux.

Also I think it is sloppy of voldermolt not to check on his horcruxes, after all, the horcrux in the cave has been gone a long time. Regulus died a long time ago and as the note says "By the time you read this I will be long dead" thus voldermolt DOES need access to the horcruxes to be effective. Remember that they are just items enchanted with his soul, this does not mean he draws his life from these objects, just that his soul can be taken from this object and used to recreate him. He can still die, but he can also be reborn.

i think there that there is a possible horcruxes in the orhanage. That is just whatr i thought would be possible.

But what risks could there be in the orphanage? firstly that a normal muggle wouldnt be able to access and secondly only a powerful wizard could pass?

I think the cave was his only reference to that life. The only place referenced to when he done wrong. I dont think we'll be hearing anything from the orphanage again. Its too close the cave and has too much significance to the cave. But thats just my view on it

Heres what I think. We know that Vol. went to work for Borgin and Burkes after Hogwarts, and Dumbledore thinks he did this because he wanted to learn about the dark magic and objects at that store - but maybe Dumbledoor was only half right? What if Vold went to work there is because he knew about the vanishing cabinet, and that he would be able to get back into hogwarts to continue his research whenever he wanted. I think he turned hufflepuffs cup into a horcrux, and then snuck it into hogwarts using the vanishing cabinet, and then hid it in the room of requirement. We know that thousands of things are hidden in there because Harry hid his potions book in there in HPB (He may in fact have walked right past one while he was looking for a place to hide his book). And we know that the vanishing cabinet was working up until Harry's second year at Hogwarts becuase it was in COS that Peeves broke it because nearly headless nick told him to, in order to get harry out of trouble with filch. And JKR herself has said that book 2 is the most closely related to book 6.

thats a very valid point there. The room of requirement opens ALOT of possibilities, he can literally have anything in there as the room has an unlimited amount of space. If he wanted it safe from other wizards etc, but he would have to be so specific and maybe add to the room of requirement, possibly adding a hidden passage, enchantments etc. The room harry was in held alot of possibilities. Why was the stuffed troll there? Was that the troll from the sourcerers stone? what was described in the book I forget but I think the room of requirement is the ONLY safe place to put a horcrux in hogwarts. And even so, if it is still a slight risk with the fact that harry stumbled on it, who is to say nobody else would stumble on it including a teacher? And to that point why doesnt Dumbledore know of this room? Surely he should know of every part of Hogwarts? The room of requirement brings up alot of unanswered questions. As a result of that, I think we can only ASSUME its a possibility.

Also I think it is sloppy of voldermolt not to check on his horcruxes, after all, the horcrux in the cave has been gone a long time. Regulus died a long time ago and as the note says "By the time you read this I will be long dead" thus voldermolt DOES need access to the horcruxes to be effective. Remember that they are just items enchanted with his soul, this does not mean he draws his life from these objects, just that his soul can be taken from this object and used to recreate him. He can still die, but he can also be reborn.

I think your last point is worth considering. Voldemort has already re-created himself twice via the horcruxes. This may well tie in with Book 7, though I'm wondering how it could be done without completely over-complicating the plot.

Heres what I think. We know that Vol. went to work for Borgin and Burkes after Hogwarts, and Dumbledore thinks he did this because he wanted to learn about the dark magic and objects at that store - but maybe Dumbledoor was only half right? What if Vold went to work there is because he knew about the vanishing cabinet, and that he would be able to get back into hogwarts to continue his research whenever he wanted. I think he turned hufflepuffs cup into a horcrux, and then snuck it into hogwarts using the vanishing cabinet, and then hid it in the room of requirement. We know that thousands of things are hidden in there because Harry hid his potions book in there in HPB (He may in fact have walked right past one while he was looking for a place to hide his book). And we know that the vanishing cabinet was working up until Harry's second year at Hogwarts becuase it was in COS that Peeves broke it because nearly headless nick told him to, in order to get harry out of trouble with filch. And JKR herself has said that book 2 is the most closely related to book 6.
The problem I see with the vanishing cabinet is that it used to just be in plain view (before it was broken). Voldemort would have no idea (before going through it from Borgin and Burkes) if it was moved, and if anyone was there. He also would run the risk of Borgin and Burkes selling the cabinet.

This does raise and interesting question: who set up the cabinets to go between each other to Hogwarts? If Voldemort did so to plant a horcrux there, he would have had to have a lookout at Hogwarts.

Between learning of the diary's destruction and the end of HBP is roughly a two year period---June 24, 1995 through the early weeks of June 1997---in which Voldemort learned of the diary's destruction and could have removed other Horcruxes out of the hands of his Death Eaters to put in more secure locales {had he actually left one or more with other Death Eaters prior to his downfall}.
The odd thing is, Voldemort seemed almost entirely obsessed with the Prophecy during OotP: note Harry dreaming of the Department of Mysteries. The only other dreams are of the snake attack and Avery getting punished. There is also the happiness feeling when the Death Eaters escaped. What's missing is Voldemort finding out about Lucius' carelessness and being gripped by anger terrible to behold (you'd think Harry would feel that?).

after the snake attack (when Snape found out?) Voldemort realises that Harry can sense his thoughts and feelings and starts using Occlumency to keep him out while planting Department of Mysteries thoughts to make Harry curious.

So does that mean that we can reduce the timescale above during which Voldemort found out about his destroyed diary to between December 1995 and late June 1996 (the night Lucius was captured at the Department of Mysteries)?

I would like to know why he hasnt checked on his horcruxes. He's an idiot in my opinion for having them unguarded. Its like winning the lottery, and then rather than putting your winnings in a bank account where its guarded, you put it in a cave and let people who can only moan look after it, oh yeah and they cant tell the ****** that its gone lol!

Really I think its abismal. Why on earth did he not get a death eater to check on it every once in a while lol. Its been 13 years since he died lol and not once did anyone check on them, and he didnt even feel the need to bother. Careless if you ask me. Very careless and it doesnt sound like a clever evil genious, I would have thought him to be.

BUT WAIT! Maybe since his arrival he has moved them, maybe he does know R.A.B took it, maybe he left the fake necklace there so anyone else searching can find that. Maybe he is looking for that necklace too? Dumbledore found the ring at the begining of HBP, this may mean that voldermolt didnt have time to get that 1 ring. Maybe since then he has now moved the horcruxes, which is why we seen the death eaters in europe with the giants.

But Im just speculating, none of this is probably right. Sadly really because for voldermolt not to be careful on his souls... Its the most unrealistic thing... You think about it for a second. If these things were the only key to you not dying, and if the biggest thing you feared most was death, wouldnt you take a LITTLE bit more care of the items after 13 years?

The odd thing is, Voldemort seemed almost entirely obsessed with the Prophecy during OotP: note Harry dreaming of the Department of Mysteries. The only other dreams are of the snake attack and Avery getting punished. There is also the happiness feeling when the Death Eaters escaped. What's missing is Voldemort finding out about Lucius' carelessness and being gripped by anger terrible to behold (you'd think Harry would feel that?).

after the snake attack (when Snape found out?) Voldemort realises that Harry can sense his thoughts and feelings and starts using Occlumency to keep him out while planting Department of Mysteries thoughts to make Harry curious.

So does that mean that we can reduce the timescale above during which Voldemort found out about his destroyed diary to between December 1995 and late June 1996 (the night Lucius was captured at the Department of Mysteries)?

Voldermolt knew it had been destroyed when the book was destroyed.

Chamber Of Secrets quote: "Lord Voldermolt is my past, present and future"

That is how he knew he died in the future. So we can say that he knows his book is gone. poor voldy

Heres what I think. We know that Vol. went to work for Borgin and Burkes after Hogwarts, and Dumbledore thinks he did this because he wanted to learn about the dark magic and objects at that store - but maybe Dumbledoor was only half right? What if Vold went to work there is because he knew about the vanishing cabinet, and that he would be able to get back into hogwarts to continue his research whenever he wanted. I think he turned hufflepuffs cup into a horcrux, and then snuck it into hogwarts using the vanishing cabinet, and then hid it in the room of requirement. We know that thousands of things are hidden in there because Harry hid his potions book in there in HPB (He may in fact have walked right past one while he was looking for a place to hide his book). And we know that the vanishing cabinet was working up until Harry's second year at Hogwarts becuase it was in COS that Peeves broke it because nearly headless nick told him to, in order to get harry out of trouble with filch. And JKR herself has said that book 2 is the most closely related to book 6.

de ja vous anyone or does this person have a short memory lol :D

thats a very valid point there. The room of requirement opens ALOT of possibilities, he can literally have anything in there as the room has an unlimited amount of space....As a result of that, I think we can only ASSUME its a possibility.

I think that we can dismiss the Room of Requirement or anywhere else in Hogwarts by simple syllogism. At most, Voldemort had made only two possessions that he would turn into Horcruxes before he left Hogwarts: the Ring and the Diary. The evidence suggests that the Diary was a late Horcrux, made when he had enough other Horcruxes to try a rather risky plan.

Now, given that:
Voldemort's physical appearance was altered by Horcruxes (according to Dumbledore in HBP, correcting his mistaken view expressed in CoS)
Voldemort had only a slight distortion (occassionally red eyes) when he killed Smith ("shown" in HBP);
Dumbledore's later conclusions about Voldemort wanting relics from the four founders and being inspired by this from Slytherin's Locket and Hufflepuff's Cup makes sense only if Voldemort had only the Ring and the Diary as additional Horcruxes AND assumes that this is where Voldemort hit upon the idea of what would his Horcruxes would be;
how much damage 5 horcruxes caused ("Voldemort classic")
the intermediate level of damage associated with 3 known Horcruxes (Ring, Cup and Locket);
it seems very unlikely that Voldemort had more than one Horcrux when he killed Smith.

Given Dumbledore's statements, the Ring is by far the most likely candidate for that one Horcrux. However, the Ring was hidden elsewhere. The only other object that he had that might have been a Horcrux was the Diary, and: a) there is no reason to think that it had occurred to Voldemort to make a Horcrux yet; b) it seems unlikely that he could already have had two; and, c) it was elsewhere! (Actually, "c" was all that we needed.)

This renders an unknown Horcrux that Voldemort acquired as a student highly unlikely.


The question then must be raised, could Voldemort have gotten back into Hogwarts after acquiring some unknown relic of Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's? This seems unlikely, too, given Dumbledore's statements, and given how concerned Dumbledore already was about Voldemort. Also, it forgets two key features about Voldemort: his paranoia, and the fact that he feared Albus Dumbledore. Voldemort would not want a Horcrux any place to which Dumbledore had access. The Chamber would be OK: but the fact that Voldemort was willing to send the Diary there years later argues against a Horcrux already being there.


Finally, there is one huge unsubstantiated assumption here: Voldemort knew about the Room of Requirement. Voldemort had a better chance than most students, but we still have no reason to think that he knew about the room.


JKR's literary responsibility is for the two unknown locations to be places anticipated by the story. These need not be places that we have visited, but only that have been described in some way. For example, we do not know where Voldemort learned to make Horcruxes, but we know that: a) this would be an important place in his history; and, b) Voldemort hides Horcruxes in places of personal importance, yet unknown to most people. This unknown place fits the bill. If Harry learns of it, then this would fit in perfectly with everything we are told.

Conversely, JKR's literary responsibilty is to not contradict the established characters and motives. A Hogwarts hiding place would very much do that.


I think your last point is worth considering. Voldemort has already re-created himself twice via the horcruxes. This may well tie in with Book 7, though I'm wondering how it could be done without completely over-complicating the plot.

This seems very unlikely. Voldemort did not yet have a plan in place for returning himself to a physical form. Given Voldemort's personality, we should assume that one of the first things that he has done is established a way for him to regain a body in far less than 13 years should this ever happen again.


This does raise and interesting question: who set up the cabinets to go between each other to Hogwarts? If Voldemort did so to plant a horcrux there, he would have had to have a lookout at Hogwarts.

There is no evidence that Voldemort knew about the cabinets prior to Draco's plan. Remember, Draco thought of this, not Voldemort.


I would like to know why he hasnt checked on his horcruxes. He's an idiot in my opinion for having them unguarded. Its like winning the lottery, and then rather than putting your winnings in a bank account where its guarded, you put it in a cave and let people who can only moan look after it, oh yeah and they cant tell the ****** that its gone lol!

If the Gaunt shack and the cave are any indication, then Voldemort has left them very well guarded. Secrecy is the best guard of all.


Really I think its abismal. Why on earth did he not get a death eater to check on it every once in a while lol. Its been 13 years since he died lol and not once did anyone check on them

None of the Death Eaters know anything about Voldemort's Horcruxes, and he would kill any of them that learned. A Horcrux works by being hidden and secret, and other dark wizards are among the top people from whom they would need to be hidden.

So, only Voldemort would ever check on them.


BUT WAIT! Maybe since his arrival he has moved them, maybe he does know R.A.B took it, maybe he left the fake necklace there so anyone else searching can find that.

This is adding convolutions: see my signature! If Voldemort had returned (as Regulus expected him to do eventually), then he would not just have left the necklace there. If nothing else, it would provide a clue about what he was doing should a 3rd party win its way through to the Necklace.

The problem I see with the vanishing cabinet is that it used to just be in plain view (before it was broken). Voldemort would have no idea (before going through it from Borgin and Burkes) if it was moved, and if anyone was there. He also would run the risk of Borgin and Burkes selling the cabinet.

This does raise and interesting question: who set up the cabinets to go between each other to Hogwarts? If Voldemort did so to plant a horcrux there, he would have had to have a lookout at Hogwarts.



I don't think that the cabinet being in plain view would be a problem for vol. We knew that he was already gathering followers to him as a student at hogwarts, and for that matter, it's likely that the cabinets were portable. We don't even know that the cabinet was in plain site when tom riddle was a student. It took him 5 years to discover how to open the chamber of secrets - he surely uncovered many secrets about hogwarts while he was researching the chamber. There is a risk of the cabinet being sold, but since it was a set from a pair of cabinets it probably wouldn't sell because the other cabinet was missing -- why would anyone want to buy it if it's magical mate could not also be bought.

thats a very valid point there. The room of requirement opens ALOT of possibilities, he can literally have anything in there as the room has an unlimited amount of space. If he wanted it safe from other wizards etc, but he would have to be so specific and maybe add to the room of requirement, possibly adding a hidden passage, enchantments etc. The room harry was in held alot of possibilities. Why was the stuffed troll there? Was that the troll from the sourcerers stone? what was described in the book I forget but I think the room of requirement is the ONLY safe place to put a horcrux in hogwarts. And even so, if it is still a slight risk with the fact that harry stumbled on it, who is to say nobody else would stumble on it including a teacher? And to that point why doesnt Dumbledore know of this room? Surely he should know of every part of Hogwarts? The room of requirement brings up alot of unanswered questions. As a result of that, I think we can only ASSUME its a possibility.


Dumbledore does knbow about the room of requirement. He told Harry earlier in the series about a bathroom on the third floor that only appears when he has a very full badder. He also knows that it was the location of the DA meetings in OOTP. But what we also learn in HBP, is that you cannot find what you need in the room of requirement unless you know exactly what you are looking for...hence Harry was never able to get inside the room to find out what malfoy was up to when he was fixing the cabinet. So if dumbledore didn't know exactly what the horcrux was, he wouldn't be able to get to it. So actually, hufflepuffs cup may not be in there, because that would be the easiest to find since Dumbledore already suspects it as a horcrux. But it would be an excellent canidate for a hiding place for a ravenclaw, or gryffindor relic. And it could be really amazing, because Vold could create an entire world in there, and various magical obsticles to protect the horcrux from thieves.

I don't think that the cabinet being in plain view would be a problem for vol. We knew that he was already gathering followers to him as a student at hogwarts, and for that matter, it's likely that the cabinets were portable. We don't even know that the cabinet was in plain site when tom riddle was a student. It took him 5 years to discover how to open the chamber of secrets - he surely uncovered many secrets about hogwarts while he was researching the chamber. There is a risk of the cabinet being sold, but since it was a set from a pair of cabinets it probably wouldn't sell because the other cabinet was missing -- why would anyone want to buy it if it's magical mate could not also be bought.

The Cabinet is not a place of special importance to Voldemort. Also, he would not leave a Horcrux where others could get to it unless he was doing something very unusual as he did with the Diary. Remember, this was one of the things that allowed Dumbledore to infer Voldemort's plan.

The Cabinet itsel fwould not be made a Horcrux, as it is not an object of great historical importance.


Again, I would say scratch the Hogwarts ideas. They are not hidden enough, except for the Chamber, and that was to be the Diary's resting place.

We know of three places that are important to Riddle: the orphanage (where he first learned that he was a wizard; however, it's not too secret, and Dumbledore knew abou the place), the Riddle house (where he first committed murder; also, deserted and nobody knows that it is connected to him), and the place he learned how to make a Horcrux (unknown, but obviously important). We know that Albania is important to him, although that could well be #3 up there.

Finally, Harry might learn of other places that were important to Voldemort. The important thing for Harry to know at this point is that these sorts of places are ones where Voldemort would hide something.


So actually, hufflepuffs cup may not be in there, because that would be the easiest to find since Dumbledore already suspects it as a horcrux. But it would be an excellent canidate for a hiding place for a ravenclaw, or gryffindor relic. And it could be really amazing, because Vold could create an entire world in there, and various magical obsticles to protect the horcrux from thieves.

Dumbledore would recognize a relic of Ravenclaw or Gryffindor if he saw one. Moreover, the Room of Requirement is a very poor place for that to be. Voldemort was still searching for those when he interviewed for the DADA job. Part of the reason he wanted it was to search for such things, after all. When he finally found that "5th" Horcrux, Voldemort had long since lost any easy access to Hogwarts.


The Room of Requirement is feasible only for a Horcrux created while Voldemort was at Hogwarts. We have no evidence that he even did that, and we have very strong evidence that he had only one hidden Horcrux a few years after he left Hogwarts. We know where that was hidden.

Good post wimsey but there are a few flaws in your post.

1. The death eaters knew about the horcruxes (Chamber of secrets - Lucius Malfoy)

2. If secrecy of the horcuxes is so good, why does voldermolt still not know the necklace is missing

3. Voldermolt did not want lucius to use the diary horcrux, evidence has been given when he was furious at lucius for doing it for his own gain.

4. The diary is the first horcrux, we can ESTIMATE this because:
A) The diary is of himself when he is 16 and he had no prized posetions at that age
B) He found out about horcruxes at 16 and wanted to make them at that age.

5. a horcrux can only be used when he is dead, therefore he cant create himself, as seen in GOF, Peter Pedigree had to do the summoning.



I dont think a horcrux is in hogwarts, I just think that the room of requirement is the best place it can be if it were there. We have not been given any evidence voldermolt knows of the room (although I have some slight ideas why he does).

I will supply your argument on the room of requirement not being a good place as dumbledore can sense magic. He sensed the door in the cave, he therefore must know of the room of requirement and I assume dumbledore would know what item to pick if there was a horcrux there.

Also Im saying MAYBE R.A.B Didnt have a chance to hide the necklace when he was killed, at the same time voldermolt still doesnt know it is gone so they havent even made the connection on where it is yet, I was merely speculating, but this further backs up my opinion of voldermolt being an idiot. The fact he hasnt even cracked on yet that its gone. If he had someone check once in a while, there would be no problem. And yes the death eaters knew (statement above).

further to your recent comment, if he knew of the room of requirement and made a horcrux there, that would be a place of significance to him. I severly doubt it will be but I think it would supply a well secretive room to practice.

No evidence points to the ring being his first murder, he used the basilisk in chamber of secrets at 16 to kill the girl, the first death in hogwarts for a long time apparently. He killed his father afterwards when he found out who he was.

I think that one of the Horcruxes might be hidden in the Room of Requirement when it becomes a place to hide something. There's so much stuff in there that it would be extremely hard to find it, and even if it was found, not many would know what it was. Besides, the Room of Requirement is such an obvious place, so obvious that Voldemort probably thought that no one would think to look there.

I think that one of the Horcruxes might be hidden in the Room of Requirement when it becomes a place to hide something. There's so much stuff in there that it would be extremely hard to find it, and even if it was found, not many would know what it was. Besides, the Room of Requirement is such an obvious place, so obvious that Voldemort probably thought that no one would think to look there.

When did Voldemort have access to Hogwarts after he started making Horcruxes? Why would a paranoid individual like Voldemort leave a Horcrux where someone might accidentally stumble upon it? Why would someone who so feared Albus Dumbledore leave something where Dumbledore could (especially in Voldemort's paranoid mind) too easily find it?

Finally, what evidence is there that Voldemort even knew about the room?

wimsey covered that well, also Dumbledore searched all of hogwarts, he would have searched there, also he knows that voldermolt would only choose an item of value to him, so one of the 4 founders would be an obvious first choice, in the room was alot of stuff people had put to hide before, for some reason that stuffed troll is sticking in my mind. Why so much description on that I do not know but no. I stand by my words in that dumbledore would have found 1 if it were in hogwarts.

So does that mean that we can reduce the timescale above during which Voldemort found out about his destroyed diary to between December 1995 and late June 1996 (the night Lucius was captured at the Department of Mysteries)?
This is my personal view of it...I don't believe that Voldemort made Nagini his last Horcrux until around the time he learned of the diary's destruction...Dumbledore and his divination whosa-widgit-thingy {technical term ;)} appeared to suspect Nagini a Horcrux on the night of the attack on Arthur, just before Christmas.

I think we'll find Nagini with 'Tail, near to Voldemort's hidey-hole.

There is alot of speculation of nagini being a horcrux, indepth detail of you being able to make a living being a horcrux, dumbledores theory (he aint stupid), Voldermolt being a parsel mouth and him having the stupid thing in the first place give a good wad of evidence. There is other evidence but nothing off the top of my head.

Sorry about my lack of memory on the egypt scene hehe. Egypt is only reference with the weasley's holiday, yes its a place of study for imortality but I dont think voldermolt would find it neccesary to go to egypt just because of that. sounds a bit cleshey and doesnt really have any relevance to voldermolt. But who knows. I've seen alot of theories to egypt. I just cant see it happening.
Don't apologize for liking Egypt. The newspaper clipping says "VISIT EQYPT".
Egypt is all about preserving the soul (which is in pieces by the way) for immortality.
It's not such a stretch to think Voldie visited there to learn about magic & immortality.
The problem is that we are really tight for time in book 7 and we can't link it to a place of meaning to Voldie.


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hehe I think thats a great pic :D

but yes - no relation to voldy to give indication of him hiding a horcrux there. can anyone find out what the death eaters gave the giants in europe as a present? hagrid said the de gave them something but I cant remember what it was... I really wanna know.

This seems very unlikely. Voldemort did not yet have a plan in place for returning himself to a physical form. Given Voldemort's personality, we should assume that one of the first things that he has done is established a way for him to regain a body in far less than 13 years should this ever happen again.


I don't think I was clear in my post and I may have taken Stevenazari's quote out of context. I was refering to "he can also be reborn" and implying that the current Voldemort may want to clone himself (though this is unlikely as it'd complicate or "convolute" the plot). But, like you said, he'd want to have a plan in place to prevent becoming "Vapormort" again. Would he stash away an extra dose of flesh, blood, and bone? He'd at least want to keep Tom Senior's bones safe. If he hid a horcrux at the Riddle house, it'd be in close proximity to the Graveyard.

Egypt is all about preserving the soul (which is in pieces by the way) for immortality.
It's not such a stretch to think Voldie visited there to learn about magic & immortality.
The problem is that we are really tight for time in book 7 and we can't link it to a place of meaning to Voldie.

Time and space are not much of an issue: Harry et al. can apparate where they want. Also, Harry has to invest the time to find two hidden Horcruxes. Regardless of where those are (including Hogwarts, although those ideas are inconsistent with the canon), Harry has to spend X amount of time figuring out where the things are, then Y amount of time getting past the traps, etc., that Voldemort will have guarding it. Because he can apparate, hither and yon all are the same distance.

Egypt is a possibility. My suspicion is that "Egypt" will turn out to be in Eastern Europe, as my hunch is that we will learn that Voldemort learned the encasing spell from Grindelwald, and that Voldemort hallowed this place with one of this Horcruxes. This is something that Dumbledore's memories might provide, if Dumbledore left memory of where he defeated Grindelwald and if Dumbledore's memories includes anything linking Grindelwald to Voldemort.

However, Egypt would be more appropriate than some place in Europe: the oldest stories about wizards hiding their souls (in eggs in the banks of the Nile) go back to Egypt. Still, we are expecting to see Krum (if only briefly), and if JKR sticks to that, then this would suggest a European trip. There is no reason for Krum to come to the UK, after all.


can anyone find out what the death eaters gave the giants in europe as a present? hagrid said the de gave them something but I cant remember what it was... I really wanna know.

The text does not say. However, you can be sure that it was not a Horcrux! Voldemort wants his Horcruxes hidden and guarded, not as trophies around the necks of gigantic barbarians who might break the Horcrux while killing each other.


I don't think I was clear in my post and I may have taken Stevenazari's quote out of context. I was refering to "he can also be reborn" and implying that the current Voldemort may want to clone himself (though this is unlikely as it'd complicate or "convolute" the plot).

Ah, I see. Well, we don't know of cloning in Potterverse, but Voldemort did know of spells that could have helped him while he was Vapourmort. The problem was that he could not use a wand, being two hands short of a pair.


But, like you said, he'd want to have a plan in place to prevent becoming "Vapormort" again. Would he stash away an extra dose of flesh, blood, and bone? He'd at least want to keep Tom Senior's bones safe. If he hid a horcrux at the Riddle house, it'd be in close proximity to the Graveyard.

Possibly. Ideally, one would think that he would want something that he could implement without a Death Eater to help him. They already demonstrated their lack of real devotion on this matter, and (as Dumbledore emphasizes) Voldemort is not one to rely on other people.

I wonder if this will appear at all in VII? It is tangential to the plot, but its a neat line of speculation, nonetheless.

goooooood post.

I know nothing on the egypt line, just that ron and co went there for hols, Im not sure though, I think egypt is taking too much thought, we dont have enough emphasis to say that voldermolt would go there and with just 1 book. All we have is ron's holiday there. Thats the only fact we have.

What relevance does dumbledores triumph over grimwald have to voldermolt? I am uncertain in that area also, I have only read books 5 and 6 Im not exactly up with you guys, I seen 1 - 4 and read the rest :p

But alot is being explained.

Hello Everyone,

I would like to direct everyone's attention to the New and Improved Version 5 of Tracking the Remaining Horcruxes (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=82625)

Hope to see you all there.

Hello Everyone,

I would like to direct everyone's attention to the New and Improved Version 5 of Tracking the Remaining Horcruxes (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=82625)

Hope to see you all there.

And lockage.