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Murzim December 21st, 2005, 8:35 pm I dunno ... I mean the kids have seen a pic of Eileen Prince and, even though it would have been taken nearly forty years before, you'd think they'd have recognised her :). Plus, when Madame Pince saw the defaced book she went, erm, nuts (sorry brain not working ,can't think of any cleverer way to put that) rather than, you know, saying 'hey that's my book!'.It's not exactly difficult to change your appearance, when you have a son around who is skilled at potions.
And she might have been shocked because she knew the book and did hide it cleverly.
Anyway there is no proof the book has ever belonged to Eileen, Snape could have got his book from a second hand book shop, and even if it was hers it's Severus' writing not hers, she might not have known how he had treated it.
lindaluna December 21st, 2005, 8:58 pm Where is the Accio brains thread?
I hope this does it.
Layers in HBP v.2 ~ Accio Brains (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=67578&page=71)
lindaluna December 21st, 2005, 9:02 pm I dunno ... I mean the kids have seen a pic of Eileen Prince and, even though it would have been taken nearly forty years before, you'd think they'd have recognised her :).
Adults may recognize how people age, but young people probably don't.
Harry I don't think recognized Aberforth at first.
Plus, when Madame Pince saw the defaced book she went, erm, nuts (sorry brain not working ,can't think of any cleverer way to put that) rather than, you know, saying 'hey that's my book!'.
The cover had been changed by Harry to the new one.
She may not have recognized her SON'S writing. (small cramped, she's old) just that there was writing.
She may HAVE recognized her son's writing but if she's in disguise, how can she claim Eileen Prince's book?
lindaluna December 21st, 2005, 9:04 pm Just a guess, here, I do not have any foreign-language HP books lying about. But I think that the translators are more or less forced to translate the last name of Eileen. Otherwise, the name of the title character in HBP will make very little sense.
(So if there IS something to the anagram theory, it is very unlikely that the translators could hope to reproduce it in the native language.)
Well, depends on the first name. Just the last name has to be close to Prince, or whatever they called him. I wonder if I can get this stuff off JKR's french website? French I can do myself.
IamMoose December 21st, 2005, 9:05 pm Well are you suggesting that even Snape doesn't know who she is? ;)
It's an intriuging idea I admit and I take your point about the book's cover being changed. Still, you have to ask .. if it was true how would it be worked into the plot in the next book?
Colonel_Fubster December 21st, 2005, 11:35 pm Adults may recognize how people age, but young people probably don't.
Harry I don't think recognized Aberforth at first.But Aberforth looked familiar to Harry, even though he had never seem him before. I'm sure someone would have noticed a resemblance between Eileen Prince's picture and Madame Pince, certainly Hermione would have.
She may not have recognized her SON'S writing. (small cramped, she's old) just that there was writing.She's not that old by wizarding standards, about the same age as McGonagall.
She may HAVE recognized her son's writing but if she's in disguise, how can she claim Eileen Prince's book?She could have confiscated it in her capacity as librarian.
I think this theory is just reaching too far. There's no evidence to support it apart from a similarity in names.
Audreetee December 22nd, 2005, 4:06 am Well, depends on the first name. Just the last name has to be close to Prince, or whatever they called him. I wonder if I can get this stuff off JKR's french website? French I can do myself.
Hey, I did some research on French websites and found this on http://www.encyclopedie-hp.org/wizards/pince.html
It presents Irma Pince as exactly the same name in French as it is in English, although I Am Prince would have to be translated to Je Suis Prince and wouldn't fit with the letters...
Eileen Prince's name is also Eileen Prince in French... (I found this on the same website)
schizopath December 22nd, 2005, 4:39 am Does Mad - Eye's fake eye belong to mad - eye and is stuck there or can be taken off? I always thought that was his real eye. But then Barty Crouch Jr could take it off...
haha December 22nd, 2005, 4:49 am Does Mad - Eye's fake eye belong to mad - eye and is stuck there or can be taken off? I always thought that was his real eye. But then Barty Crouch Jr could take it off...
I don't think its his real eye but one that can be taken off.
Alastor December 22nd, 2005, 5:10 am In OotP, chapter 3 Moody dropped the eye in the glass of water Harry gave him.
schizopath December 22nd, 2005, 5:11 am But wasn't that the fake moody? I mean, Barty crouch could have yanked the eye out
Colonel_Fubster December 22nd, 2005, 5:15 am That was the real Moody washing his eye in OotP.
At the end of GoF, as the Polyjuice Potion wears off of Crouch Jr, the artificial eye pops out as his real one reappears. The same thing happens to the wooden leg, as Crouch's real leg reappears.
schizopath December 22nd, 2005, 5:22 am Why does ron bring a rat to school when the school only allows "a cat, a toad or an owl"?
me_potter_fan December 22nd, 2005, 5:26 am Why does ron bring a rat to school when the school only allows "a cat, a toad or an owl"?
That is never explained
schizopath December 22nd, 2005, 5:29 am Does the book state if a Muggle were to accidentally touch a portkey, what would happen to him / her?
Rell December 22nd, 2005, 5:37 am Does the book state if a Muggle were to accidentally touch a portkey, what would happen to him / her?
I don't think that it's specifically mentioned, but it would explain why the ministry keeps tabs on portkey use.
Colonel_Fubster December 22nd, 2005, 5:46 am Does the book state if a Muggle were to accidentally touch a portkey, what would happen to him / her?It is explained in GoF that portkeys are things a muggle would just think of as trash, and wouldn't pick them up, old boots, cans, old tires, and so forth. If a muggle did happen to touch a portkey when it went into operation, they would probably be transported like anyone else. But then they'd need to have their memory erased, and be sent back to where they started and so forth. I would guess that it's just less troublesome to try and keep them from picking them up in the first place.:)
lindaluna December 22nd, 2005, 6:10 am I think this theory is just reaching too far. There's no evidence to support it apart from a similarity in names.Actually there is a lot of canon. It's at post 1421 (I think) on the Accio Brains thread
lindaluna December 22nd, 2005, 6:11 am Hey, I did some research on French websites and found this on http://www.encyclopedie-hp.org/wizards/pince.html
It presents Irma Pince as exactly the same name in French as it is in English, although I Am Prince would have to be translated to Je Suis Prince and wouldn't fit with the letters...
Eileen Prince's name is also Eileen Prince in French... (I found this on the same website)
Darn it!
Colonel_Fubster December 22nd, 2005, 6:27 am Actually there is a lot of canon. It's at post 1421 (I think) on the Accio Brains threadBasically it contains a few quotes that indicate a similarity between Madame Pince's nose, and Snape's nose. Eileen Prince's nose is not described at all in any of the books, but based on Snape's memory that Harry saw, Snape inherited his nose from his father. Although based on quotes from canon loosly strung together with supposition, there is, as I said, no evidence.;)
lindaluna December 22nd, 2005, 6:35 am the hissing when she speaks
the sallow / yellow skin
the extreme reaction to writing in books, specifically the potions book.
Well on that thread, my theory is that she is hiding at hogwarts. And this is another reason Dumbledore trusts Snape. The lack of an anagram is not part of the canon I cited, but still cool. Also, Anabel posted an intro to Quiddich through the Ages that describes Madam Pince as doing imaginative jinxes re books in her care (...) but I'll not argue everything on two threads! Enough the idea is mentionned.
schizopath December 22nd, 2005, 7:11 am How do people know what is Quirell's 1st name? (Quirenus)
Colonel_Fubster December 22nd, 2005, 7:35 am How do people know what is Quirell's 1st name? (Quirenus)
His first name is listed on the trading cards as Quirinus, and the cards were apparently written by Rowling.
i_heart_dobby December 22nd, 2005, 8:07 am I don't think JKR thought about this, so it's anyones guess. My favourite theory is that the ministry or maybe even Hogwarts has a muggel post box somewhere. Harry is not the first Hogwartsstudent from a muggle family and sometimes these families need to contact their children
I really like the idea of a Muggle post box, it just makes me happy. Maybe Dumbledore "suggests" that the Dursleys send Harry Christmas presents, but it may be a established Dursley tradition; I may be totally wrong, but I think there may be an instance when Harry is recalling a gift of Vernon's old socks, which occurred before he went to Hogwarts. Or it may have been a birthday present. Or it may not have happened at all; I will look and come back to repost.
crystalbell December 22nd, 2005, 9:50 am So we're back to muggle post huh? :) Good maybe someone can answer my question about owl post.
How does the owl know that someone wants to send its owner a letter? Or am I just amagining that they do? It seemed to me that Hedwig knew about Hagrids note to harry in PS and what about the christmas and birtday presents?
schizopath December 22nd, 2005, 9:53 am Isn't it like this:
Owl A Belongs to Person A. Owl B Belongs to Person B. Person A uses Owl A to send a letter to Person B. Person B recieves it and asks Owl A to stay on the send off the letter. Person B then remembers he has something else to send and Owl B sends it. Owl A and B are now at Person A's house. Person A uses Owl B to send back to Person B and thank you card.
crystalbell December 22nd, 2005, 9:58 am Isn't it like this:
Owl A Belongs to Person A. Owl B Belongs to Person B. Person A uses Owl A to send a letter to Person B. Person B recieves it and asks Owl A to stay on the send off the letter. Person B then remembers he has something else to send and Owl B sends it. Owl A and B are now at Person A's house. Person A uses Owl B to send back to Person B and thank you card.
Hahaha :lol: Yeah most of the time it works that way but somtimes Hedwig delivers things to Harry without him sending her off to do it
schizopath December 22nd, 2005, 9:59 am Even if the book dosen't state it, perhaps JKR thinks you know the answer... Or maybe Owls have a "Magical-Letter-Arriving-For-My-Master-System" that alerts the owl in advance... ;)
crystalbell December 22nd, 2005, 10:09 am Thanks......feel sooooo much better about this now :)
schizopath December 22nd, 2005, 10:11 am I've got a question. Dumbledore says the pensieve is for others to view their memories and also to get off some memories off their minds when it covers too much in their brain (or something like that) but why is it that Slughorn has 2 "copies" of his memory about telling Tom Riddle what Horcruxes are?
crystalbell December 22nd, 2005, 10:18 am No I don't think he's got 2 different memories it's just that he altered the memory he gave to Dumbledore...so it wasn't a real memory he gave him, more like a day dream or a thought I guess. Slughorn always knew that he was trying too fool himself so the memory must always have been there
schizopath December 22nd, 2005, 10:28 am OK next question: What is the Bloody Baron described as? For some reason, I always pictured him as a very fat person wielding a sword with blood dripping all over him.
crystalbell December 22nd, 2005, 10:45 am Dunno what size he wears but in PS he's described as a having a gaunt face, blank staring eyes and robes stained with silver blood. Guess that being a medievel baron would have made him kinda fat though
schizopath December 22nd, 2005, 10:47 am Silver Blood? Dosen't that mean Unicorn's blood?
crystalbell December 22nd, 2005, 10:51 am nah....don't you think everything on the imprint of a departed soul (can't belive snape acctually taught me something :p ) will be silver? And if the baron had unicorn blood on him that would probably mean that he ha been drinking it at the time of death and the he wouldn't be dead would he?
schizopath December 22nd, 2005, 11:00 am Or perhaps at the time of his death, he spilt the blood over him and so he died?
IamMoose December 22nd, 2005, 11:03 am I think it's only silver cos he's a ghost :). And I wouldn't have thought he was fat if he has a 'gaunt' face.
Okay how come the Fat Friar is a ghost when he's generally happy and cheerful and everything and Rowling said only unhappy people chose to become ghosts?
schizopath December 22nd, 2005, 11:06 am Maybe he didn't realise he was dead? Or perhaps some people who choose to become a ghost... becomes one? So even if one is really happy, he could also be a ghost.
What does "gaunt" mean?
IamMoose December 22nd, 2005, 11:12 am Gaunt means sort of bony and underfed looking.
Well I thought that everyone who is a ghost chose to become one .. I mean, i don't think it's an automatic selection :). I just don't understand why the Fat Friar did. It's not a big deal or anything.
Do you think that ghosts can later regret their decisions and go on to wherever everyone else goes?
lorddobby December 22nd, 2005, 11:31 am Why does Quirrell call Voldemort by his name and not as dark lord ?
GodricHollow December 22nd, 2005, 11:33 am Don't think so, or Nick would've gone wouldn't he?
schizopath December 22nd, 2005, 12:24 pm Why does Quirrell call Voldemort by his name and not as dark lord ?
To assure people that he is not under the control of Voldemort. Anyway, I don't think that JKR plotted the thing about "Dark Lord" yet
Murzim December 22nd, 2005, 1:02 pm I don't think Jo ever said that you have to be unhappy to become a ghost, nor do I think that it is a conscious decision. A person who is not ready to 'go on' becomes a ghost, Nick said that he was afraid, Prof. Binns was probably not ready to change his routine… We don’t know anything about the Fat Friar’s live or death, maybe he was not ready to leave Hogwarts?
Renovatius December 22nd, 2005, 1:19 pm And also, Quirrel was not an actual Death Eater, merely a dumb wizard caught in Voldemort'a snare of possession
Renovatius December 22nd, 2005, 1:22 pm Voldemort may not have even let Quirrel into the idea of worshipping him, seeing as the impression is that Voldemort treats him as more of a servant, using him rather as a temporary measure
schizopath December 22nd, 2005, 1:25 pm Next Question: How do people join Voldemort? I mean, he dosen't own a company or whatever that you can just go in with a job interview, can you? Or does Voldemort approach you?
Renovatius December 22nd, 2005, 1:31 pm I would think that being in Slytherin would be a start, and then having a sufficiently evil pure-blood background, but i'd say that Voldemort would correspond with any potentials through his present Death Eaters, assuming he has them in the first place
IamMoose December 22nd, 2005, 1:32 pm I should imagine that the Death Eaters keep a watch out for people who are likely to be inclined to support Voldermort anyway and approach them. We know, cos someone says in one of the books - I think it was Sirius in book five - that Voldermort doesn't just march up and knock on people's doors but he threatens and bribes and intimidates and enchants them into joining him. Nonetheless I bet there are loads of people who are quite happy to have an invitation to side with him. And still more who become followers because of the family connection.
Renovatius December 22nd, 2005, 1:32 pm In fact, do we know anyone who willingly (unforcefully) joined the death eaters who wasn't in Slytherin?
schizopath December 22nd, 2005, 1:36 pm Peter Petigrew perhaps?
EDIT: I've checked and Peter seems to be the only non - Slytherin Death Eater
crystalbell December 22nd, 2005, 2:38 pm :). And I wouldn't have thought he was fat if he has a 'gaunt' face.
Haha it's clear that you've never met my father, IamMoose :lol:
We don't know if Peter joined Voldemort willingly. He isn't the kind of man who goes through any trouble to get new friends when he's allready got some who looks out for him. But he didn't try to recist Voldemort either he just did what he was told to avoid being tortured. Some low status death eater probably showed up on his doorstep and told him that the Dark Lord wanted to speek to him. Peter isn't a man who takes a stand in any debate so he didn't have any ideological reasons to change side either.
Gawd my spelling gets worse and worse :'(
Tenshi December 22nd, 2005, 2:57 pm I heard that Voldemort wanted to have Dean's father as Death Eater. But he didn't want to, left his family to save his wife (muggleborn) and Dean and got killed.
Anybody knows if this is right? :shrug:
crystalbell December 22nd, 2005, 3:02 pm Well it says so in the Harry Potter Lexicon so I guess that's true. However he left his family before Voldemort tried to recruit him
Tenshi December 22nd, 2005, 3:09 pm On this website. (Forgot which) it said that Dean is a half-blood. Mother Muggle - Father Wizard.
Rell December 22nd, 2005, 3:17 pm Silver Blood? Dosen't that mean Unicorn's blood?
Could be - it would fit in with the ghosts are people who were scared of death bit. But I'm inclined to think that that's just how blood looks when it becomes translucent and ghost like.
crystalbell December 22nd, 2005, 3:18 pm Darn....you saw my post before I canged it TENSHI. Well you've changed my mind...thanks ;)
Rell December 22nd, 2005, 3:26 pm heard that Voldemort wanted to have Dean's father as Death Eater. But he didn't want to, left his family to save his wife (muggleborn) and Dean and got killed.
Anybody knows if this is right?
JKR has Dean's background explained on her website. She says that she took it out of the book because there wasn't really a place for it and Neville's story sort of took over.
EDIT: I've checked and Peter seems to be the only non - Slytherin Death Eater
True - but there are quite a few death eaters who'se houses we don't know.
Mundungus Fletc December 22nd, 2005, 3:34 pm Originally Posted by schizopath
EDIT: I've checked and Peter seems to be the only non - Slytherin Death Eater
In the mugglenet /leaky interview in July JKR said that have been death eaters from every house.
Tenshi December 22nd, 2005, 3:38 pm Darn....you saw my post before I canged it TENSHI. Well you've changed my mind...thanks ;)
Oh I'm really surprised now. I searched for Dean on Google and there it says that he's Muggleborn, like you said before. I guess we should only trust what JKR has written herself. ;)
JKR has Dean's background explained on her website. She says that she took it out of the book because there wasn't really a place for it and Neville's story sort of took over.
Really? Do you have a link or a quote?
Rell December 22nd, 2005, 3:41 pm Quote:
Originally Posted by Rell
JKR has Dean's background explained on her website. She says that she took it out of the book because there wasn't really a place for it and Neville's story sort of took over.
Really? Do you have a link or a quote?
http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/extrastuff_view.cfm?id=2
This should explain it.
Tenshi December 22nd, 2005, 3:50 pm http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/extrastuff_view.cfm?id=2
This should explain it.
Thank you. :)
This really exlpains everything. So it was the truth what I read there. :agree:
GodricHollow December 22nd, 2005, 8:25 pm I heard that Voldemort wanted to have Dean's father as Death Eater. But he didn't want to, left his family to save his wife (muggleborn) and Dean and got killed.
Anybody knows if this is right? :shrug:
It's an abandoned stoyline according to the JK official.
Ash December 22nd, 2005, 10:23 pm Sorry I dont know if anyone's asked this question before but i really wann know what was the third thing hermione smelt in the love potion in slughorn's class. Please if u have a theory let me know......I wonder if it was sumthin about Ron because she got embarassed....Also do u think Jk will answer this in book 7?
plz let me know.
anabel December 22nd, 2005, 10:30 pm Sorry I dont know if anyone's asked this question before but i really wann know what was the third thing hermione smelt in the love potion in slughorn's class. Please if u have a theory let me know......I wonder if it was sumthin about Ron because she got embarassed....Also do u think Jk will answer this in book 7?
plz let me know.Hermione wouldn't say what it was, so I guess she is the only one who knows! But the general assumption is that is was something to do with Ron, because we know that Harry smelled Ginny's perfume.
Ash December 22nd, 2005, 10:40 pm Thanx Anabel......ur rite only hermione knows and maybe JK herself will clarify that.
Anyway does anyone know what Mudungus Fletcher did that he dumbledore to get him out of....u don't think it had anything to do with the potters?
Maybe he's the one who overheard the prophecy beacuse it was mentioned that he's in trouble with the Hog's head bartende who we know is Dumbledore's brother (confirmed by JK).
Maybe he was with snape that night.
crystalbell December 22nd, 2005, 11:43 pm nah......Mundungus wouldn't need Dumbledore to get him out of trouble if the trouble was him eavesdropping on the headmaster. He'd only need Dumbledore's forgivenes, just like Snape. But maybe it has something to do with Aberforth....although I think it's ministry buisness
Ash December 23rd, 2005, 12:32 am probably ur rite so do u think it will be revealed what he needed help with?
Or do u think it's not important to the plot.
Murzim December 23rd, 2005, 12:50 am I think Mundungus was blamed for stealing a Rawenclaw heirloom, that wouldbe important. But as Dung is someone who tends to ´be in trouble it's well possible that we never find out.
thewran December 23rd, 2005, 12:58 am This is a stupid question, but i really want to no... wat does wotcher mean?
kingwidgit December 23rd, 2005, 1:01 am This is a stupid question, but i really want to no... wat does wotcher mean?It means "What cheer."
MyNameIsSasha December 23rd, 2005, 1:57 am what does neville look like? i dont have the book to refer back to, sorry
lemonsherbet December 23rd, 2005, 2:06 am haha, i also was boggled by that "wotcher." i'm not brit, so i didn't know what it was... but i found out recently that it is a greeting, much like "hello," but as kingwidgit here said, it is a shorter version of "what cheer" :)
TonyJoe December 23rd, 2005, 2:14 am Sorcerer's Stone- "He passed a round-faced boy..."
Chamber of Secrets- "Neville was a round-faced and accident-prone boy"
Prisoner of Azkaban- "Neville Longbottom, a round-faced, forgetful boy,"
Goblet of Fire-"Neville Longbottom, a round-faced, extremely forgetful boy who had been brought up by his formidable witch of a grandmother."
Order of the Phoenix- "Harrys stomach, already uncomfortable, clenched as he looked at Alice Longbottom; he knew her round, friendly face very well, even though he had never met her, because she was the image of her son, Neville."
Round-faced.
Windrider24 December 23rd, 2005, 2:56 am Something to ponder.
voldyvolvol December 23rd, 2005, 3:01 am Maybe he's the one who overheard the prophecy beacuse it was mentioned that he's in trouble with the Hog's head bartende who we know is Dumbledore's brother (confirmed by JK).
I think he's the one who got Snape out of the way to not hear the rest of the prophecy.
It means "What cheer."
Really? I never knew that! I just thought it was her random way of saying what's up?
What IS the color of Mrs. Weasley's hair?
I mean, they never mention in the books that her hair is red. In the book, when Harry is explaining to uncle vernon who Mrs. Weasley is? Harry says he's met her...Uncle Vernon's reply to that was "dumpy sort of woman, loads of kids with red hair?"
It never mentions what hair color she has. They refer to Arthur's, not Molly's...
kingwidgit December 23rd, 2005, 3:24 am I think he's the one who got Snape out of the way to not hear the rest of the prophecy.Yup, the Hog's Head barman, Aberforth Dumbledore.
What IS the color of Mrs. Weasley's hair?
I mean, they never mention in the books that her hair is red. In the book, when Harry is explaining to uncle vernon who Mrs. Weasley is? Harry says he's met her...Uncle Vernon's reply to that was "dumpy sort of woman, loads of kids with red hair?"
It never mentions what hair color she has. They refer to Arthur's, not Molly's...It is suggested in PS/SS that her hair is red, though truthfully, the color remains unknown.Harry sat down next to the window where, half hidden, he could watch the red-haired family on the platform and hear what they were saying.
Felixfelicis92 December 23rd, 2005, 3:34 am I just joined the forum so if this has been asked and answered, forgive me. So ..Erm. Just curious, but when Dumbledore says "Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!" what does it mean?
Greeney December 23rd, 2005, 3:38 am Only one person knows... if it means anything at all. There have been theories it was related to the remaining horcruxes though.
http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=61597
Audreetee December 23rd, 2005, 4:27 am I just joined the forum so if this has been asked and answered, forgive me. So ..Erm. Just curious, but when Dumbledore says "Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!" what does it mean?
I want to find a copy of HP in French just to see which words they used to replace those! :p
Jessica December 23rd, 2005, 4:44 am Meh, we've got two of these. This (http://cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=79249) is the official one. :lol:
PeterWiggin December 23rd, 2005, 4:56 am Question:
To be an "heir" in the Wizarding world, do u have to be a blood relative or is it something different? I don't remember if it was ever exactly stated that Tom was descended from Salazar, or if he was just his "heir."
I'm also clinging to the "Heir" to Gryffindor theories.:)
kingwidgit December 23rd, 2005, 5:29 am I want to find a copy of HP in French just to see which words they used to replace those! :pI'll save you the trouble of buying the book...Here's the phrase "Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!"--"Thank you!" as it appears in the French translation: "Nigaud! Grasdouble! Bizarre! Pinçon!"--"Je vous remercie!"
To be an "heir" in the Wizarding world, do u have to be a blood relative or is it something different? I don't remember if it was ever exactly stated that Tom was descended from Salazar, or if he was just his "heir."
I'm also clinging to the "Heir" to Gryffindor theories.Harry was Sirius's heir, he inherited everything, no blood relation whatsoever.
As for Riddle being a blood descendant of Slytherin: "I, in whose veins flows the blood of Salazar Slytherin, on my mother's side?"Voldemort is Harry's real father/grandfather/close relative of some description
No, no, no, no, no. You lot have been watching much too much Star Wars. James is DEFINITELY Harry's father. Doesn't everybody Harry meets say 'you look just like your father'? And hasn't Dumbledore already told Harry that Voldemort is the last surviving descendent of Salazar Slytherin? Just to clarify - this means that Harry is NOT a descendent of Salazar Slytherin.Professor Dumbledore is Harry's real grandfather/close relative of some description.
If Dumbledore had been Harry's grandfather, why on earth would he have been sent to live with the Dursleys?
As for the Heir of Gryffindor theories, JK pretty well shut them down, though some still think there's wiggle room...MA: What about Harry's family — his grandparents — were they killed?
JKR: No. This takes us into more mundane territory. As a writer, it was more interesting, plot-wise, if Harry was completely alone. So I rather ruthlessly disposed of his entire family apart from Aunt Petunia. I mean, James and Lily are massively important to the plot, of course, but the grandparents? No. And, because I do like my backstory: Petunia and Lily's parents, normal Muggle death. James's parents were elderly, were getting on a little when he was born, which explains the only child, very pampered, had-him-late-in-life-so-he's-an-extra-treasure, as often happens, I think. They were old in wizarding terms, and they died. They succumbed to a wizarding illness. That's as far as it goes. There's nothing serious or sinister about those deaths. I just needed them out of the way so I killed them.
MA: That sort of shuts down Heir of Gryffindor [theories], as well.
JKR: [Pause.] Yeah. Well - yeah.
MA: Another one bites the dust.JK also, in an interview on release night of HBP said that "Ravenclaw will have it's day." Which leads a lot of fans to conclude the unknown Horcrux is an unknown Ravenclaw artifact.
san12_28 December 23rd, 2005, 5:58 am Another Question!
who gave harry theNimbus 2000?
Rell December 23rd, 2005, 6:02 am Another Question!
who gave harry theNimbus 2000?
When McGonagal tells Harry and Wood that Harry is going to be the new seeker, Wood just says that Harry needs a good broom, like a nimbus 2000. Then it comes in the owl post. There's no mention of Harry paying for it, but it's likely that he paid for it and Wood placed the order for him (as the wizarding world was still pretty new to him at the time). We don't see other team members getting broomsticks paid for by the school. (Otherwise. everyone would have something standard).
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 6:03 am Professor McGonagall gave it to him by owl post
EDIT: Does one need to be focused to cast an Unforgivable? Focused as in like, really mean to do it? Or place all anger into it?
2nd EDIT: How does Hagrid know the Water Conjuring Spell Aguamenti if its a NEWT level spell and Hagrid was expelled before his NEWTs?
crystalbell December 23rd, 2005, 8:44 am I just joined the forum so if this has been asked and answered, forgive me. So ..Erm. Just curious, but when Dumbledore says "Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!" what does it mean?
Nitwit= fool, idiot
Oddment= remaining goods (you know those odd things they sell cheap) or something strange
Blubber= to cry,sobb and snuffle it can also mean jellyfish or the fat from a whale
Tweak= to pinch and pull with a sudden jerk (a child's ear)
Looked them up in my dictionary so it should be correct :D
crystalbell December 23rd, 2005, 8:49 am Professor McGonagall gave it to him by owl post
EDIT: Does one need to be focused to cast an Unforgivable? Focused as in like, really mean to do it? Or place all anger into it?
2nd EDIT: How does Hagrid know the Water Conjuring Spell Aguamenti if its a NEWT level spell and Hagrid was expelled before his NEWTs?
Dunno...but maybe Dumbledore, who belived he was innocent, took to teaching him some spells when he was expelled
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 8:53 am What about focusing on Unforgivables?
crystalbell December 23rd, 2005, 9:08 am I think you have to mean it, you need to want someone to die or hurt or be a slave under your mind. Don't think it has anything to do with being angry but when you cast the curse that has to be what you whish for the most....you have to focus on the longing of seeing it work.
I don't think false Mad Eye was particularly angry or hateful against the spiders in GoF
But maybe JKR has said something about it in an interview.....I'm not very into those
Murzim December 23rd, 2005, 9:51 am What about focusing on Unforgivables?Bella told Harry after he casted the Cruciatus on her in the hall of the MoM (OotP): „Never used an unforgivable curse before, have you? You’ve got to mean them, you’ve got to really want to cause pain, righteous anger won’t hurt me for long.”
And Moody said in his 'spider lesson' (GoF) :"The curses need a powerfull bit of magic behind them. You could all take out your wands now, point them at me and say the words and I doubt I would get as much as a nosebleed."
(for the exact wording you must look it up yourself, I don't have my books with me)
That's not exactly about 'focusing' but I hope it answers your question.
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 10:36 am When she says "mean" does it define as "mean it" as in "want to do it" or "mean up" as in "anger it"
crystalbell December 23rd, 2005, 10:48 am God it's Christmas why am I sitting here? I should be glazing gingerbreads :nc:
I guess she means you've got to mean it as "you've got to really want to see it happen and enjoy them" rightious anger could make you want too see someone hurt but you've got too enjoy seeing someone suffer it or something
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 10:59 am Oh... I've got another question: Why is there "a staff room" and a "private staff room"? I mean: Why does McGonagall, Snape, Flitwick and the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher get a private office while the others share the big staff room? Are there private staff rooms for the Heads of House and the Defense Against the Dark Arts teachers?
crystalbell December 23rd, 2005, 11:04 am sorry but, what? ;)
gertiekeddle December 23rd, 2005, 11:05 am I'm not sure, if I understand it right, because in this case I just remember the german edition, but I thought the private staff room is the room, where every single teacher lives, sleeps, etc. The staff room should be the 'normal' staff room like in every school, where teachers meet in breaks and free lessons or have meetings.
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 11:08 am What I meant was that when I checked the Lexicon for an "Atlas" of Hogwarts floor - by - floor, It states that Flitwick, Snape, McGonagall and the Defense Against the Dark Arts teachers have an office for themselves. On another floor, there is another staff room for all the teachers. So do each teacher have an office for themselves for officework or for sleeping? But that post by gertiekeddle answered my question :p
Hermione_Potter December 23rd, 2005, 11:12 am Is Aunt Petunia a squib?
crystalbell December 23rd, 2005, 11:14 am Hehe I've promised myself that this is my last post untill after christmas. But I was inspired by your signature Schizopath......Do we know what kind of music the Weird Sisters play? I've always thaught of them as a rock band and even more so after Tonks wore one of their t-shirts
Is the "Order of Merlin" a title or something? Isn't it somekind of a reward for great deeds? there's a theory that Dumbledore got his Order of Merlin for defeating grindelwald
Is Aunt Petunia a squib? There's a thread for that question somwhere in the history of magic I think
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 11:16 am Is Aunt Petunia a squib?
She is a Muggle - Born Muggle =P
Hehe I've promised myself that this is my last post untill after christmas. But I was inspired by your signature Schizopath......Do we know what kind of music the Weird Sisters play? I've always thaught of them as a rock band and even more so after Tonks wore one of their t-shirts
I think that it's either a rock band or a classical music band (Just Kidding)... I think it's more of rock
EDIT:
1 - What does Wulfric mean?
2 - What is the "Order of Merlin"?
gertiekeddle December 23rd, 2005, 11:22 am Schizopath, fine that I could help you! :) Wulfric should be just a name (old germanian sources, I would guess, but I'm not sure of this), but I don't know if it's just as a therm sometimes, too. For Dumby it's probably just a name (if JK ever did something 'just for the obvious' ;) ).
The Order of Merlin is a order for special works one did in magical world. You have to be a great and powerful wizard to get some in Potterworld. I would compare it with muggle-awards we know like the Nobel-Prize (just the status in public opinion, it hasn't to be just for things related to peace and understanding).
Is Aunt Petunia a squib?JK said she is no squib at her webside (http://www.jkrowling.com). There's obviously more to her and she seems to know more about/from Dumbledore we could guess now, but she's no squib.
Hermione_Potter December 23rd, 2005, 11:22 am Thank you for clarifying that Aunt Petunia is a muggle born muggle, becaıse I have read something that if there is a chance that Petunia can be a squib and that's why she is jealous toward her sister. I found the theory intriguing but I was confused because Lily was muggle born...
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 11:24 am Next Question:
How did Sir Nicholas drink the Mandrake Juice when he was petrified if it would just go through him?
gertiekeddle December 23rd, 2005, 11:31 am Next Question:
How did Sir Nicholas drink the Mandrake Juice when he was petrified if it would just go through him?Got me! This is a nice one - don't know. Maybe they used a sponge...? :lol:
crystalbell December 23rd, 2005, 11:32 am The Order of Merlin is a order for special works one did in magical world. You have to be a great and powerful wizard to get some in Potterworld. I would compare it with muggle-awards we know like the Nobel-Prize (just the status in public opinion, it hasn't to be just for things related to peace and understanding).
I know I know I promised but this IS the last one. As I'm a Swede I just felt that I had to say that the Nobel-prize ;) is not only about peace and understandin (that's the prize placed in Norway) It is also a prize for Medicin, chemistry, litterature, economiccs and fysiks (the Swedish prizes) So that would go well along with what you say about the Order of Merlin although I think it's got something to do with brave deeds to.
How did Sir Nicholas drink the Mandrake Juice when he was petrified if it would just go through him?
Good question dunno
well that was my last post then :)
MERRY CHRISTMAS
Hermione_Potter December 23rd, 2005, 11:41 am JK said she is no squib at her webside (http://www.jkrowling.com). There's obviously more to her and she seems to know more about/from Dumbledore we could guess now, but she's no squib.
Exactly in where at her site?
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 12:01 pm I think she said it in one of her interview... I can't find the part of Petunia not being a squib on her website
Hermione_Potter December 23rd, 2005, 12:06 pm How can I reach to her (Rowling's) interviews? {On web}
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 12:09 pm you can go to Madam Scoop (http://madamscoop.org)'s.
For your convinence on looking where it has evidence that Petunia is a muggle, here is the quote:
Aunt Petunia is truly a muggle, but there is "a little bit more to Aunt Petunia than meets the eye." "She is not a squib, although that is a very good guess. Oh, I am giving a lot away here. I am being shockingly indiscreet."
It's from this "interview": http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/news_view.cfm?id=80
gertiekeddle December 23rd, 2005, 12:17 pm Oops, sorry i was lazy: It's in the news, Edingborough-Festival, the interview, right schizopath. She said Petunia is no squib, she's a muggle, but there's more to her (and probably to her as a muggle). There was a theory in some thread here on cos that Petunia could be a which, but decided to live as a muggle - I don't think it fits in all points, but I would look in this direction of speculation to try figure out, what really happened to her.
Christalbell, tack och god jul! :) (*starts to sing 'Natten gaar tunga fjäd...')
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 12:20 pm I suddenly thought of this: Squibs and Muggles have no clear distinction, right? Other than the fact that Squibs are Wizard - Born and Muggles are Muggle - Born, right? So Squibs can become Muggles, right?
unconvinced December 23rd, 2005, 12:22 pm This may be a sound stupid, but during book 2 when all the exams were cancelled as a treat, what happened to people doing important exams, newts or owls, did they still go ahead or did the just estimate peoples mark or something?
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 12:28 pm I guess that they either did not take the exams or they took them - unlike those non - "national" exams takers...
dragonfan December 23rd, 2005, 2:09 pm I always thought of the Order of Merlin as similar to the Congressional Medal of Honor in the United States. It seems to me it represents extraordinary services to the government or for the people. I may not have the best understanding of the Nobel Prize process, but I always thought of those as being more scholarly recognitions.
gertiekeddle December 23rd, 2005, 2:44 pm I always thought of the Order of Merlin as similar to the Congressional Medal of Honor in the United States. It seems to me it represents extraordinary services to the government or for the people. I may not have the best understanding of the Nobel Prize process, but I always thought of those as being more scholarly recognitions.I think you're more right than me. I just searched for something international (and first waht plopped in my mind were the Noble prizes).
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 2:46 pm How are enchantments made, lifted and destroyed?
Murzim December 23rd, 2005, 2:56 pm A new question (at least I hope it is, if not I would be delighted about a link to a discussion ;) )
Why did Voldemort apear in the MoM at the end of OotP? After all the trouble he went through to avoid entering the ministry himself and reveal that he is back!
IamMoose December 23rd, 2005, 3:00 pm Well I presume that Voldermort hadn't expected the minister and other ministry officials to be there at the time :). But still .. it does raise an interesting question: why bother to get Harry to get the prophecy when he could have just got it himself?! Noone would have seen him if he'd just apparated in and out again.
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 3:01 pm The Ministry might have an anti - apparation enchantment on it like Hogwarts.
IamMoose December 23rd, 2005, 3:05 pm But he managed to DISapparate before he could be captured. And anyway wizards apparate to work there every morning so it can't have :P
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 3:07 pm The Department of Mysteries might have an anti - apparation enchantment :p
IamMoose December 23rd, 2005, 3:09 pm Well yes, but if he managed to get into the Ministry, surely he could have just got into the Department of Mysteries the same way Harry and his friends did, then made his way back to the main entrance and dis-apparated from there? ;) It doesn't make any sense..
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 3:11 pm Well... yeah but... don't you think people will notice him?
EDIT: Yay... I'm a Third Year!
IamMoose December 23rd, 2005, 3:14 pm Well noone would have noticed him THEN as it was night and noone was there :). I mean, if he felt confident enough to appear AFTER Harry had got the prophecy why not just appear before?!
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 3:17 pm Ack... you got me there... I'm stumped... perhaps he was just too lazy... I guess that Voldemort wanted to lure Harry into the Department of Mysteries so that they (Death - Eaters) can attempt to kill Harry (I think)
GodricHollow December 23rd, 2005, 3:27 pm Simple really, lure Harry and co there, kill all except Harry, or threaten to unless Harry hands over prophecy, Harry hands over prophecy, then Voldemort kills them all anyway.
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 3:33 pm I've got a question: What is the archway in the Department of Mysteries for? Researching Death from one of JKR's interviews I hear but then I would like to know when Sirius went through the archway, he died so if people research death by going through the archway, won't they die too?
Hermione_Potter December 23rd, 2005, 3:44 pm What is a part-Kneazle or a kneazle?
schizopath December 23rd, 2005, 3:51 pm Kneazle is a kind of creature. Just like giants ;)
kingwidgit December 23rd, 2005, 3:53 pm Well noone would have noticed him THEN as it was night and noone was there . I mean, if he felt confident enough to appear AFTER Harry had got the prophecy why not just appear before?!To acquire his prophecy and kill his nemesis personally perhaps?
I've got a question: What is the archway in the Department of Mysteries for? Researching Death from one of JKR's interviews I hear but then I would like to know when Sirius went through the archway, he died so if people research death by going through the archway, won't they die too?The archway appears to be the doorway to the afterlife...this does not mean that those who study the archway crossover, but rather stay on their own side, trying to interpret and understand what is going on behind the veil...
What is a part-Kneazle or a kneazle?A kneazle is a magical beast that can be bred with a normal cat...it's appearance is that of a large cat, with a speckled pattern, and a tail shaped like a lions...they are particularly adept at detecting unsavory characters and have a good sense of direction. If their owner gets lost, a kneazle can lead them home.
IamMoose December 23rd, 2005, 4:19 pm To acquire his prophecy and kill his nemesis personally perhaps?
Yeah that's a good point but presumably he would have wanted to listen to the prophecy before killing Harry .. otherwise there was no point in setting the whole thing in the department of mysteries anyway .. he could have just lured Harry somewhere else ;). I still don't see why he could have got the prophecy for himself first, listened to it, and THEN tried to kill Harry when he turned up looking for Sirius.
Rell December 23rd, 2005, 4:24 pm What I want to know is why no ministry workers were at the ministry at the time. It was in the middle of the day!
mia305 December 23rd, 2005, 4:27 pm okay, you're all probably going to think I'm stupid for asking this but it's confusing me so I'm going to ask anyway. :) Was Sirius killed by the Avada Kedavra or the Veil? Or was it both? :-s
And if he hadn't been Avada Kedavra-d, and had fallen through the Veil alive would the Veil have killed him?
BurrowGhoul December 23rd, 2005, 5:09 pm What I want to know is why no ministry workers were at the ministry at the time. It was in the middle of the day!
Was it? I thought it was at night. But it's still a mystery why no one was there, because at the very least there should be guards around the clock. The Death Eaters must have disposed of whoever was there?
mia305 December 23rd, 2005, 5:14 pm Was it? I thought it was at night. But it's still a mystery why no one was there, because at the very least there should be guards around the clock. The Death Eaters must have disposed of whoever was there?
Yeah I think it was at night because when Harry gets back to Dumbledore's office it's early morning. I think. :)
Tenshi December 23rd, 2005, 5:18 pm okay, you're all probably going to think I'm stupid for asking this but it's confusing me so I'm going to ask anyway. :) Was Sirius killed by the Avada Kedavra or the Veil? Or was it both? :-s
And if he hadn't been Avada Kedavra-d, and had fallen through the Veil alive would the Veil have killed him?
He wasn't hit by Avada Kedavra. Bellatrix cast a red light curse after him and Avada Kedavra is green. So the veil killed him. I guess that's the reason why Lupin stopped Harry.
Audreetee December 23rd, 2005, 5:21 pm I'll save you the trouble of buying the book...Here's the phrase "Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!"--"Thank you!" as it appears in the French translation: "Nigaud! Grasdouble! Bizarre! Pinçon!"--"Je vous remercie!"
Oi, then it really doesn't mean anything at all! :lol:
Tenshi December 23rd, 2005, 5:28 pm What I want to know is why no ministry workers were at the ministry at the time. It was in the middle of the day!
Was it? I thought it was at night. But it's still a mystery why no one was there, because at the very least there should be guards around the clock. The Death Eaters must have disposed of whoever was there?
Yeah I think it was at night because when Harry gets back to Dumbledore's office it's early morning. I think. :)
It was Thursday evening. The guard, in case there was one, was probably knocked out before.
MorfinIsNuts December 23rd, 2005, 5:51 pm Question:
Is there any info on what Quirrell taught before his year-long sojourn into the Black Forest? I'm pretty sure he was teaching at Hogwarts before that....was he the DADA teacher?
IamMoose December 23rd, 2005, 6:26 pm He can't have been the DADA teacher because of the curse. I am inclined to think that Rowling simply made a mistake there and hadn't at that time thought of the DADA curse, or at least hadn't remembered to make Quirrell a new teacher. Hagrid, if I recall correctly, introduces Quirrell as 'our defence against the dark arts teacher.' I guess the only thing that could make it work is if Quirrell taught something else the year before.
dragonfan December 23rd, 2005, 6:52 pm About Quirrell: Hagrid says "Oh, yeah. Poor bloke. Brilliant mind. He was fine while he was studyin' outa books but then he took a year off ter get some first-hand experience..." Is it possible that instead of taking a year off from teaching, he took a year off after finishing school before taking a job? That is not unheard of and it would help avoid the inconsistency of the curse we learn about later and thinking that Quirrell had the job more than one year.
Colonel_Fubster December 23rd, 2005, 7:04 pm A kneazle is a magical beast that can be bred with a normal cat...it's appearance is that of a large cat, with a speckled pattern, and a tail shaped like a lions...they are particularly adept at detecting unsavory characters and have a good sense of direction. If their owner gets lost, a kneazle can lead them home.Crookshanks is half-Kneazle/half-cat. Mrs Figg breeds half Kneazle/half cats.
kingwidgit December 23rd, 2005, 10:28 pm Crookshanks is half-Kneazle/half-cat. Mrs Figg breeds half Kneazle/half cats.Yup, Mrs. Figg runs a roaring trade in half-bred kneazles...Mrs. Norris is a half-breed too...and all of Mrs. Figg's cats...
padfootandme December 23rd, 2005, 10:45 pm What is Regulus's middle name?
And I remember the name 'Rudolphus', but I don't remember who he is... a Black, right? But how is he related to Sirius?
kingwidgit December 23rd, 2005, 11:01 pm What is Regulus's middle name?
And I remember the name 'Rudolphus', but I don't remember who he is... a Black, right? But how is he related to Sirius?Regulus's middle name has not been confirmed...it is rumored to be Arcturus, as was posted on the Lexicon, but the Lexicon removed that info a few days after they posted it.
Rodolphus is a LeStrange, and has a brother, Rabastan.
Bellatrix Black, cousin of Sirius and Regulus, married Rodolphus LeStrange.
Bella, Rodolphus, Rabastan, and Barty Jr. were captured and imprisoned for using the Cruciatus Curse on Frank and Alice Longbottom, torturing the Longbottom's into insanity.
Murzim December 23rd, 2005, 11:27 pm can someone tell me where it is said that a person who breaks an Unbreakable Vow will be killed?
ProfLupin December 24th, 2005, 12:33 am can someone tell me where it is said that a person who breaks an Unbreakable Vow will be killed?From here:"Well, you can't break an Unbreakable Vow..."
"I'd worked that much out for myself, funnily enough. What happens if you break it, then?"
"You die," said Ron simply.
Murzim December 24th, 2005, 12:54 am Thank you for the quote, Prof Lupin.
justaHPfan December 24th, 2005, 2:23 am Bella, Rodolphus, Rabastan, and Barty Jr. were captured and imprisoned for using the Cruciatus Curse on Frank and Alice Longbottom, torturing the Longbottom's into insanity.
Here's a question - we don't see Rodolphus or Rabastan after the mass breakout of Azkaban do we? Are they dead? I remember Voldemort saying in GoF that "the Lestranges should stand here" when he was looking at the circle of death eaters so it seems that he was including them all, but we've only heard from Bella. Any idea why? Or is it just that they are not terribly important so leave them out? Were they at the DoM? I don't think so - but that's why I'm asking you all! :p
ProfLupin December 24th, 2005, 2:32 am Here's a question - we don't see Rodolphus or Rabastan after the mass breakout of Azkaban do we? Are they dead? I remember Voldemort saying in GoF that "the Lestranges should stand here" when he was looking at the circle of death eaters so it seems that he was including them all, but we've only heard from Bella. Any idea why? Or is it just that they are not terribly important so leave them out? Were they at the DoM? I don't think so - but that's why I'm asking you all! :pFrom here: "Bellatrix, Rodolphus, you take the left, Crabbe, Rabastan, go right---"They were part of the dozen Death Eaters in the Department of Mysteries. The Azkaban jailbreak occurred before Valentine's Day, the trip to the Department of Mysteries occurred in June. So we did see them after the jailbreak, we just have not seen them since that night at the Ministry. Of course, we have not seen Voldemort since that night either.
justaHPfan December 24th, 2005, 2:36 am From here: "Bellatrix, Rodolphus, you take the left, Crabbe, Rabastan, go right---"They were part of the dozen Death Eaters in the Department of Mysteries. The Azkaban jailbreak occurred before Valentine's Day, the trip to the Department of Mysteries occurred in June. So we did see them after the jailbreak, we just have not seen them since that night at the Ministry. Of course, we have not seen Voldemort since that night either.
Thanks! And now that you gave me that quote, I realize that they're probably back in Azkaban since Dumbledore bound them all with anti-apparition jinxes and left them for the ministry to imprison.
(Incidentally, how do you get the quote from the books to be in different font and size? Do you manually do that or is there some way to cut and paste from the books that I don't know about? :huh:)
kingwidgit December 24th, 2005, 2:45 am Thanks! And now that you gave me that quote, I realize that they're probably back in Azkaban since Dumbledore bound them all with anti-apparition jinxes and left them for the ministry to imprison.
(Incidentally, how do you get the quote from the books to be in different font and size? Do you manually do that or is there some way to cut and paste from the books that I don't know about? :huh:)When you do a fieldset, it automatically puts the typed quote into smaller script size.
Example--> Type your book quote here.[*/fieldset] {without the asterick}[fieldset=abc]Type your book quote here.
It does not switch fonts that I am aware of. However, if you wish to do so, the features are part of the advanced editor features.
Other codes can be found under the FAQ section, vB codes.
justaHPfan December 24th, 2005, 2:53 am When you do a fieldset, it automatically puts the typed quote into smaller script size.
Example--> Type your book quote here.[*/fieldset] {without the asterick}[fieldset=abc]Type your book quote here.
It does not switch fonts that I am aware of. However, if you wish to do so, the features are part of the advanced editor features.
Other codes can be found under the FAQ section, vB codes.
You're the best. Thanks! :clap: I would not have figured that out. :no: I haven't read all the "how to's" in the forums. :blush: I see the shortcuts when I post but I wasn't sure what they all do (except the html,quote & spoiler ones).
lindaluna December 24th, 2005, 3:55 am Crookshanks is definitely half CAT half kneazle?
If a kneazle looks like a CAT anyway, could Crookshanks be half Kneazle, half something else?
ComicBookWorm December 24th, 2005, 4:05 am Crookshanks is an animagus
No, he's not, but he's not pure cat either. If you buy Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (all royalties to Comic Relief, which means you're helping some of the poorest children around the world) you might just be able to work out what Crookshanks really is.
Characters - Crookshanks
I am not overly fond of cats. Like Hagrid, I am allergic to them and much prefer dogs. However, there was an exception. When I was working in London in the late 1980s I used to eat my lunch in a nearby square on sunny days and a large, fluffy ginger cat that looked as though it had run face-first into a wall used to prowl around the sunbathers there; I assume it lived in a nearby house. I didn't ever get close enough to give myself an asthma attack, but I became distantly fond of this cat, which prowled among the humans around it looking disdainful and refusing to be stroked. When I decided to give Hermione an unusually intelligent cat I gave him the appearance of this haughty animal, with the slightly unfair addition of bandy legs.
Crookshanks, as anybody who has read Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them will have guessed, is half Kneazle. And if you don't know what a Kneazle is, you need to hurry up and buy Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (all royalties go to help some of the poorest children in the world).
schizopath December 24th, 2005, 4:35 am What's Voldemort and Tom Riddle's names in other languages?
Alastor December 24th, 2005, 4:47 am What's Voldemort and Tom Riddle's names in other languages?I think you can find them here:
http://www.eulenfeder.de/int/gbframes.html
FizzingWhizB December 24th, 2005, 4:57 am Crookshanks is definitely half CAT half kneazle?
If a kneazle looks like a CAT anyway, could Crookshanks be half Kneazle, half something else?
Well, I suspect that since Kneazles and cats are similar species, it would be quite easy for interbreeding to occur.
The "something else," I think, would also probably have to be similar to a feline in order to mate with the non-magical creature.
schizopath December 24th, 2005, 5:19 am What's Regulus Black's name in other languages? I can't find them.
VampireGirl December 24th, 2005, 8:54 am What's Regulus Black's name in other languages? I can't find them.
I got a link here, it was on the 'Assuming RAB is Regulus A. Black' thread. Hope it helps :)
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/MTarchives/008026.php
schizopath December 24th, 2005, 8:58 am Thanks...
Question: Anyone knows Borgin's name in other languages?
Marente December 24th, 2005, 9:00 am I know that in Dutch Mr Borgin is called 'Mr Odius'. And RAB is translated into RAZ....if that's what you mean.
schizopath December 24th, 2005, 9:10 am Aww man... another theory down the drain :p
Hardyhardnut December 24th, 2005, 9:54 am What's Voldemort and Tom Riddle's names in other languages?
I was just thinking of the French name for Voldemort: it is actually Vol-de-mort is it not? Now correct me if I am wrong, but could this not be interpreted as "stealer of death?" Just an interesting little point-I wonder if JK named him that for that reason, or whether it was just a lucky coincidence. She took French to degree level at university, so I'm sure she would have been aware...
schizopath December 24th, 2005, 9:55 am I'm not surprised his name meant "stealer of death". He creates Inferi so Voldemort "kind of" stole death? :p
Hardyhardnut December 24th, 2005, 9:55 am Aww man... another theory down the drain :p
What theory?
I'm not surprised his name meant "stealer of death". He creates Inferi so Voldemort "kind of" stole death?
Yeah good point, I hadn't thought of it like that
schizopath December 24th, 2005, 9:57 am I thought that RAB could be Mr Borgin but since it didn't fit in other languages...
Hardyhardnut December 24th, 2005, 10:22 am O that's a shame.
I was just wondering how the "Tom Marvolo Riddle" is manipulated into "I am Lord Voldemort" in CoS in other languages: this integral part of the story would surely not fit into such languages as French: "Je suis..."
IamMoose December 24th, 2005, 10:56 am That's an interesting question .. my guess would be that they simply leave it in English .. maybe with a footnote as a translation?
schizopath December 24th, 2005, 11:00 am Tom Riddle's name in French is Tom Elvis Jedusor =p
ProfLupin December 24th, 2005, 3:55 pm I'm not surprised his name meant "stealer of death". He creates Inferi so Voldemort "kind of" stole death? :pIt actually translates as 'Flight from death' or 'Flee from death'.
Tenshi December 24th, 2005, 4:02 pm O that's a shame.
I was just wondering how the "Tom Marvolo Riddle" is manipulated into "I am Lord Voldemort" in CoS in other languages: this integral part of the story would surely not fit into such languages as French: "Je suis..."
In German he's named: Tom Vorlost Riddle ... ist (is) Lord Voldemort.
Either they change the Middle and/or the last name so that they can build something like "is ...", "I am ...".
Mechouille December 24th, 2005, 4:38 pm I was just thinking of the French name for Voldemort: it is actually Vol-de-mort is it not? Now correct me if I am wrong, but could this not be interpreted as "stealer of death?" Just an interesting little point-I wonder if JK named him that for that reason, or whether it was just a lucky coincidence. She took French to degree level at university, so I'm sure she would have been aware...
Well, Voldemort's name in French is... Voldemort. You can translate "Vol" by "theft" or by "flight" (only "voleur" means "stealer"). I think it is not an innocent name. Tom Riddle has always wanted to be immortal, so "theft of death" is appropriated. But he is also lethal... so the "flight of the death" could also fit.
Tom Marvolo Riddle is translated by (I'm so sorry, this is so ridiculous!) Tom Elvis Jedusor to create the anagram with "Je suis Lord Voldemort". In French, "jedusor" reads "jeux du sort"...
"Sort" means "fate".
lindaluna December 24th, 2005, 4:42 pm The year A.D. 962. European wizards first using broomsticks ? Is there anywhere else we've read about that year? It could also be when Hogwarts was founded? Anything else?
FizzingWhizB December 24th, 2005, 5:35 pm The year A.D. 962. European wizards first using broomsticks ? Is there anywhere else we've read about that year? It could also be when Hogwarts was founded? Anything else? Hogwarts was founded in 1000 A.D.
I can't think of anything historic in the wizarding world that happened in that year, but the Holy Roman Empire was founded in 962 A.D.
TonyJoe December 24th, 2005, 5:52 pm The year A.D. 962. European wizards first using broomsticks ? Is there anywhere else we've read about that year? It could also be when Hogwarts was founded? Anything else?Nope, seems that that was the single note worthy event in the wizarding world that year, but I think that in the absence of any major events we should take away from the period the fact that during those years (say, 900 -1000 A.D.) there was a growing distrust of wizards by muggles, resulting in increasingly independent, innovative, and reclusive witches and wizards.
Hardyhardnut December 24th, 2005, 6:09 pm Well, Voldemort's name in French is... Voldemort. You can translate "Vol" by "theft" or by "flight" (only "voleur" means "stealer"). I think it is not an innocent name. Tom Riddle has always wanted to be immortal, so "theft of death" is appropriated. But he is also lethal... so the "flight of the death" could also fit.
Tom Marvolo Riddle is translated by (I'm so sorry, this is so ridiculous!) Tom Elvis Jedusor to create the anagram with "Je suis Lord Voldemort". In French, "jedusor" reads "jeux du sort"...
"Sort" means "fate".
Are you serious?!?!??! That is absolutely ridiculous!!! I guess that's what comes of trying to translate a predominantly English book into other languages. Another interesting thing would be how the jokes are translated: for example; "we saw uranus up close..." (OotP)...how could that be translated into French so taht it still makes sense?
lindaluna December 24th, 2005, 7:22 pm Hogwarts was founded in 1000 A.D.
I can't think of anything historic in the wizarding world that happened in that year, but the Holy Roman Empire was founded in 962 A.D.
I don't think its exactly 1000 AD - didn't Binns say in COS that the exact date wasn't known, but it was over 1000 years ago, and that was in year 2 or 1992 (Harry born 1980, goes to Hogwarts at age 11, then is in 2nd year).
1991 - 1000+ = 991 or less
Still - the founding of the Holy Roman Empire - that's BIG !!!
remix December 24th, 2005, 7:26 pm This is not an insult, but wouldn't it have been really amazing if JKR actually thought all of this out? I mean, "The mysterious RAB to the Holy Roman Empire"!
Audreetee December 24th, 2005, 7:36 pm Are you serious?!?!??! That is absolutely ridiculous!!! I guess that's what comes of trying to translate a predominantly English book into other languages. Another interesting thing would be how the jokes are translated: for example; "we saw uranus up close..." (OotP)...how could that be translated into French so taht it still makes sense?
"- Oh Professeur, regardez ! s'écria-t-elle [Lavande Brown]. Je crois que j'ai une planète bizarre ! Oooh, qu'est-ce que c'est, Professeur ?
- C'est la Lune, ma chérie, répondit le Professeur Trelawney en regardant sa carte du ciel.
- Est-ce que je pourrais voir ta lune, Lavande ? demanda Ron.
Par malchance, le Professeur Trelawney l'entendit et ce fut sans doute la raison pour laquelle elle leur donna à la fin du cours un devoir aussi difficile."
It's translated to the moon, and Ron asks to see Lavander's moon, which I believe would have to be her buttocks...
lindaluna December 24th, 2005, 7:52 pm :lol:
Mechouille December 24th, 2005, 8:11 pm "- Oh Professeur, regardez ! s'écria-t-elle [Lavande Brown]. Je crois que j'ai une planète bizarre ! Oooh, qu'est-ce que c'est, Professeur ?
- C'est la Lune, ma chérie, répondit le Professeur Trelawney en regardant sa carte du ciel.
- Est-ce que je pourrais voir ta lune, Lavande ? demanda Ron.
Par malchance, le Professeur Trelawney l'entendit et ce fut sans doute la raison pour laquelle elle leur donna à la fin du cours un devoir aussi difficile."
It's translated to the moon, and Ron asks to see Lavander's moon, which I believe would have to be her buttocks...
Hum... her buttock or something else... more vulgar...:blush:
When you read both in english and in other language (like french for me), you see a lot of translation of this kind, to make sense. That's normal! But I must say that "Elvis" is... hum... ridiculous is the word I think!
lindaluna December 24th, 2005, 8:52 pm Elvis is Voldie's middle name in the french translation - but it is funny !
anabel December 24th, 2005, 10:02 pm Are you serious?!?!??! That is absolutely ridiculous!!! I guess that's what comes of trying to translate a predominantly English book into other languages. Another interesting thing would be how the jokes are translated: for example; "we saw uranus up close..." (OotP)...how could that be translated into French so taht it still makes sense?But if you don't translate the name, how can you recreate the anagram? In Norwegian Tom Dredolo Venster makes Voldemort Den Store, or Voldemort the Great. I know some of the translations are pretty lame, but the anagram is important.
Murzim December 24th, 2005, 11:14 pm I think JKR’s book are particularly difficult to interpret because she loves playing with double meanings and sounds of words. The most ridiculous bit of translation I’ve read about was the Italians translating Dumbledore as Silencio (meaning dumb). I don’t know if they corrected that.
Of course a translation has to make compromises and Elvis is a bit much, but I think it is more important that the last name has a meaning close to Riddle and that the anagram works.
From the quotes above I got the impression that the French interpreters did a much better job than the German, I don’t blame them for not finding a German equivalent to Uranus, I didn’t either but I looked up the scene at the end of OotP when Harry met Nick on his way to the leaving feast and Nick said that he is not the only one who is late though in a rather different sense . The German translated the wording ,which doesn’t make sense, it would have been easy to find a word other than ‘zu spät’ (=late) that would transfer the English doublemeaning but they did not even bother to remove the now meaningless ‘though in a rather different sense’. It convinced me to never read the German books and to tell everyone else that they shoul read it in English.
AmesGDG December 25th, 2005, 1:25 am I know this isn't really a LITTLE question, but are James Potterand Tom Riddle at Hogwarts at the same time? Or is Tom older than James? (I'm thinking Tom is older than James, but I'm not sure.)
Murzim December 25th, 2005, 1:36 am Tom is much older, he was in Hogwarts in the 1940ies, James and the marauders in the 1970ies when Tom had already turned Voldemort and was trying to take over.
Mc Gonagall is about the same age as Tom, if she went to Hogwarts they were there at the same time.
Sectusempra December 25th, 2005, 2:30 am By Hardyhardnut
O that's a shame.
I was just wondering how the "Tom Marvolo Riddle" is manipulated into "I am Lord Voldemort" in CoS in other languages: this integral part of the story would surely not fit into such languages as French: "Je suis..."
Well I know I've said this before... In Spanish it's "Tom Sorvolo Ryddle" and it becomes "Soy Lord Voldermort".
AmesGDG December 25th, 2005, 3:32 am By Hardyhardnut
O that's a shame.
I was just wondering how the "Tom Marvolo Riddle" is manipulated into "I am Lord Voldemort" in CoS in other languages: this integral part of the story would surely not fit into such languages as French: "Je suis..."
Well I know I've said this before... In Spanish it's "Tom Sorvolo Ryddle" and it becomes "Soy Lord Voldermort".
I heard Jo had a say in the translation of books to different languages. They just manipulate it so it says something else.. Like, I think in French it's Voldemort the Great.. I can't remember.. she just changes his name.
Greeney December 25th, 2005, 4:16 am I know this isn't really a LITTLE question, but are James Potterand Tom Riddle at Hogwarts at the same time? Or is Tom older than James? (I'm thinking Tom is older than James, but I'm not sure.)
Tom is much older, he was in Hogwarts in the 1940ies, James and the marauders in the 1970ies when Tom had already turned Voldemort and was trying to take over.
Mc Gonagall is about the same age as Tom, if she went to Hogwarts they were there at the same time.
James would be around 39 in Half Blood Prince as that's how old JK Rowling said Snape was.
Voldemort was born on December 31, 1926 (according to Lexicon)
Chamber of Secrets took place in 1992; Half Blood Prince therefore was in 1996.
Voldemort in Half Blood Prince would therefore be exactly 70, however if you exclude the 14 years he didn't have a body, he would be 56. Therefore Voldemort had a body 17 years longer than Snape (the same age James would be if he were still alive), and existed 31 years longer than Snape so far.
McGonagall is one or two years older than Voldemort. Voldemort is one or two years older than Hagrid.
Mouseykins December 25th, 2005, 5:03 am Actually, Greeny, your information is slightly off. James was born in 1960, as were Remus, Sirius, Peter, Lily, and Snape. They would all be about 36 or 37 in HBP.
It's easy to remember their ages because each one is 20 years older than Harry.
Greeney December 25th, 2005, 5:18 am Actually, Greeny, your information is slightly off. James was born in 1960, as were Remus, Sirius, Peter, Lily, and Snape. They would all be about 36 or 37 in HBP.
It's easy to remember their ages because each one is 20 years older than Harry.
JK Rowling says Snape is 36ish in March 2001 which is a couple of years before Ootp was published I believe, but according to Lexicon you're right.
runitsandrew December 25th, 2005, 8:23 am Check out Version 3 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?p=3393812). :)
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