Harry and Ginny -- Where to from here? v3

I honestly thought her use of the monster analogy was very inspired because I cannot think of a better term she could have used to convey all that she wanted to convey so that both children and adults could understand and appreciate.

I also think there couldn't have been a better way, I prefer the fact that she used a monster rather than go into explaining his feelings which wouldn't have fitted Harry very well since he isn't really the one who discusses how he feels in depth. Harry's pretty clueless about his emotions, I mean, we read about them so we know he has them, but if I take Cho's example, he doesn't know where he stands most of the time and he doesn't know how to express what he's feeling so the monster kind of fitted in the way that Harry doesn't know how to name his emotions, it's just the monster.

I agree. Potterverse kids do seem to mature faster due to circumstances, especially nowadays, since there is a war going on, and that is bound to make them more mature and grow up faster as well, such as Arthur and Molly Weasley said, about how they got married soon due to the troubled times of their younger years. Perhaps, I have felt something on terms of a "monster" (the typical jealousness, teen agnst, and other such emotions , I have felt plenty of times) I guess that whole term was new to me in association with love, except for the whole "green-eyed" monster term, which sort of described Harry's feelings too, espcecially considering Ginny's realationship with Dean.

Exactly. These kids have been forced to grow up faster than your average teenager - even in the wizarding world. There are other ways she could have described the "monster" but, for a teenage boy, that seems most apt. For me - when I met my husband - it was more like a million butterflies. But that is too feminine for describing the emotions of a teenage boy.

She pleased me :D This wasn't a monster scene but I loved it.

"Ginny came in to visit while you were unconscious," he said, after a long pause, and Harry's imagination zoomed into overdrive, rapidly constructing a scene in which Ginny, weeping over his lifeless form, confessed her feelings of deep attraction to him while Ron gave them his blessing...."She reckons you only just arrived on time for the match. How come? You left here early enough."
"Oh..." said Harry, as the scene in his mind's eye imploded.

I loved that scene. I laughed so hard when his thoughts imploded. Then again I had to put down the book because I was laughing so hard at Luna's commentary especially Smith suffering from "Losers lurgy" so who knows what kind of silly mood I was in.

Me too! I loved the fantasies. I thought Jo did a really good job of letting us know that Harry was having normal teenage fantasies for a teenage boy without being too explicit. I cracked up at the image of Ginny weeping over Harry's unconscious form while Ron declared that nothing would make him happier than for them to get together. :lol:

I honestly thought her use of the monster analogy was very inspired because I cannot think of a better term she could have used to convey all that she wanted to convey so that both children and adults could understand and appreciate.


Cheers :tu:

I agree. It is difficult to come up with an analogy for a teenage boys emotions - "monster" seems to be the most apt. Everything else just seems too feminine to me.

I honestly thought her use of the monster analogy was very inspired because I cannot think of a better term she could have used to convey all that she wanted to convey so that both children and adults could understand and appreciate.Cheers :tu:

JKR could have used the term 'jealousy' instead of 'monster'. But you're right, 'monster' might communicate a little better to kids. Also, I don't think Harry himself understood it well enough to clearly identify it as jealousy; and also, the feelings went beyond simple jealousy.

Several posts have noted that anxiety-provoking times tend to promote faster maturation. In addition to that, the books seem to indicate that wizards normally mature somewhat faster than muggles (coming of age a year younger).

I loved the whole 'monster' feels that Harry had. Finally Harry had relized Ginny and my ship came true.

Exactly. These kids have been forced to grow up faster than your average teenager - even in the wizarding world. There are other ways she could have described the "monster" but, for a teenage boy, that seems most apt. For me - when I met my husband - it was more like a million butterflies. But that is too feminine for describing the emotions of a teenage boy.

:lol: I think that's what Ginny felt when she started realizing that Harry likes her. The monster was a very clever and decent way of putting all of Harry's feelings for Ginny in one simple word and I'm glad JKR kept it simple because if she had given us the details, it would've been like fanfiction and kids wouldn't have enjoyed it.

JKR could have used the term 'jealousy' instead of 'monster'. But you're right, 'monster' might communicate a little better to kids. Also, I don't think Harry himself understood it well enough to clearly identify it as jealousy; and also, the feelings went beyond simple jealousy. But that's exactly why I'm saying that the use of the word monster in his chest was a good one - it did not only represent jealousy, it represented a whole lot more in my opinion and to be honest and I thought the monster communicated better with adults ;) . I think most adults understood better how many things this "monster" Harry was feeling actually represented.

Cheers :tu:

Isn't Harry and Ginny being together sort of being history repeating itself? I mean a redhead hooking up with Harry. It's like Ginny is Lily and Harry is James. You know what I mean?

H/G in HBP wasn't what I expected (and I'm obsessed Chocolateer from book 1), but it was better. It wasn't angsty, moody, it wasn't out of loneliness, not looking for family in Weasleys, not a habit nor accepting devotion he had from his fangirls. It was Ginny all way long and it was Harry above everyone and I find it a proof it will last no matter what.
I'm not quite sure how to explain this but I'll try anyway. It seems to me when someone is put through a nasty traumatic experience like Ginny had been in Chamber of Secrets and Harry has more than once to date and survived it a couple of things happen to that person. Firstly they mature beyond their years in some ways (though not all) and become as Jo put it an 'old soul'. I think we see this clearly in both Harry and Ginny as in some ways they outstrip Ron and Hermione as an emotionally mature couple.

The second side effect (and this is where it gets a bit harder to explain) comes, in my opinion, from facing death. I think that said person, provided they have the strength of character and aren't consumed by their experience, comes out of the other side more willing to live, more passionate about life itself if you will, and is much more willing to experience those parts of life that can really make it worthwhile.

I believe that's what we saw between them from the post quidditch match kiss up till the funeral, a real passion for experiencing life which was once again lost to them, to Harry in particular, after the loss of Dumbledore. I'd like to believe Harry's a sufficiently robust personality to recover emotionally from this latest blow but it is a doubly hard one this time around as it holds such dire consequences for him, as he said there is now no one left between him and Voldemort and endgame is upon him.

I still think that walking away from Ginny like he did is a rather silly thing for him to do but right at this point in the story he's at a 'not thinking straight' stage similar, but less explosive, to where he was at the beginning of Order of the Phoenix. Hopefully he'll come to his senses much quicker this time around and figure it out or maybe be shown by others (Remus and Tonks for one or Ron and Hermione) just what strength he'll gain from his ability to love.

Well she couldn't get graphic about what Harry might have been experiencing physically, so she used literary shorthand to describe his feelings (the monster stood for both his turbulent emotional and physical responses).
:lol: Indeed, knowing the mindset of a teenage boy (I used to be one after all and can still remember it despite my status as a geezer these days :evil:) and the likely imagery and 'physical responses' to same I think Jo handled that aspect rather well really, quite tactfully. :whistle:

I make a point of not referring to poster's ages because it is mostly irrelevant. But at the age of 16, I hadn't felt a monster yet either. However, I felt it constantly only a few years later. You will eventually feel something akin to the monster. And I'm not just referring to lust. I mean strong emotional attraction. It just depends on when it hits you. I think the kids mature sooner in Potterverse since they are considered adults at age 17.
And that kind of harks back to what I was saying about the 'old soul' too. I think that with what they've been through Harry and Ginny, and to a lesser extent Ron and Hermione, are very much adults despite their lack of years. As Harrison Ford said in the original Raiders of the Lost Ark 'It's not the years honey, it's the mileage.' (I love that phrase by the way :D) which is a rather apt way to describe it.

But that's exactly why I'm saying that the use of the word monster in his chest was a good one - it did not only represent jealousy, it represented a whole lot more in my opinion and to be honest and I thought the monster communicated better with adults ;) . I think most adults understood better how many things this "monster" Harry was feeling actually represented.

Cheers :tu:
I felt it was an apt description of the combination of emotions running through him at the time. To describe it as simply jealousy, lust or something else would have been stating only a small part of the total of this so for me at least it was an analogy that worked.

Isn't Harry and Ginny being together sort of being history repeating itself? I mean a redhead hooking up with Harry. It's like Ginny is Lily and Harry is James. You know what I mean? It isn't exactly history repeating itself (so far anyway) but others have noticed the similarities between Ginny and Lily on Similarities between Lily and Ginny thread (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=78755) and the Harry/James similarities are always mentioned in the books.

Another thing I liked about Harry/Ginny, and I've probably said it already, was how almost totally independent her life is from Harry. I love that about her character - she doesn't live her life for Harry and I thought it was a wonderful message to send even if JK was not doing it purposefully. Yes, she was a bit obsessive in the beginning but she grew out of it and became a strong and independent person who, while she is in love with Harry, doesn't need him in order to function and live her life and have a great time while doing so. Yes, there would probably always have been a part of her that felt incomplete if she hadn't ended up with him but at least it didn't stop her from living her life and doing so well.

Cheers :tu:

I guess that whole term was new to me in association with love, except for the whole "green-eyed" monster term, which sort of described Harry's feelings too, espcecially considering Ginny's realationship with Dean.
I agree with you about the negative associations with the term "monster". But it does sum up the emotional turmoil, angst, and raging homones teens have to cope with.

I really do hope that Harry and Ginny survive this, I just can not see how they will.

Well, if Dumbledore could't defeat Voldemort, I can't see how Harry, or Harry with the help of a few other inexperienced teenagers can possibly defeat Voldemort; but I am confident that somehow Voldemort will be defeated. So if that can happen, I have lots of hope for Harry and Ginny too.

Another thing I liked about Harry/Ginny, and I've probably said it already, was how almost totally independent her life is from Harry. I love that about her character - she doesn't live her life for Harry and I thought it was a wonderful message to send even if JK was not doing it purposefully. Yes, she was a bit obsessive in the beginning but she grew out of it and became a strong and independent person who, while she is in love with Harry, doesn't need him in order to function and live her life and have a great time while doing so. Yes, there would probably always have been a part of her that felt incomplete if she hadn't ended up with him but at least it didn't stop her from living her life and doing so well.

Cheers :tu:

Absolutely. This is probably the best thing about both romances in the series. They can all carry on independently of each other. Harry doesn't need a girlfriend who eats, sleeps, and breathes only for him - that just isn't a healthy relationship. I think that is part of the journey that Ginny had to go on. She had to become her own person before she became Harry's girlfriend. Jo gaves us other ways in which to identify with her besides that fact - making her well rounded with interests outside of Harry.

Well, if Dumbledore could't defeat Voldemort, I can't see how Harry, or Harry with the help of a bunch of other inexperienced teenagers can possibly defeat Voldemort; but I am confident that somehow Voldemort will be defeated. So if that can happen, I have lots of hope for Harry and Ginny too.

I don't agree that Dumbledore couldn't defeat Voldemort. I think he definitely could have. He was the only one Voldemort ever feared for a reason. Dumbledore was well on his way to doing just that. During the first war, he was at a disadvantage because he didn't know about the Horcruxes. After learning about them, he was making steady progress in finding them and destroying them - the task he has passed on to Harry. I think the most telling thing here is the fact that, in order to be defeated, Dumbledore had to be severely weakened first - and betrayed. Had he not been weakened by the potion in the cave, he would not have been killed. Of course, I still think he planned that - all that talk to Malfoy about faking death and Snape's entire attitude just makes me suspicious.

Dumbledore has given Harry the tools he needs to defeat Voldemort - sent him down the right path. Without his Horcruxes, Voldemort is just a mortal wizard - powerful and scary but mortal and he can be defeated and killed.

I think a group of teenagers probably has a better chance of defeating him because he will underestimate them. Voldemort does not give much credit to youth. We saw that in the cave - the boat was designed to carry only one witch/wizard but did not recognize that Harry was even in the boat because of his youth. It will be things like this that lead to Voldemort's downfall.

Well, if Dumbledore could't defeat Voldemort, I can't see how Harry, or Harry with the help of a bunch of other inexperienced teenagers can possibly defeat Voldemort; but I am confident that somehow Voldemort will be defeated. So if that can happen, I have lots of hope for Harry and Ginny too.

But Harry has qualities that Dumbledore doesn't. We don't know what really happened when the Avada Kedavra curse rebounded on Voldermort, but Harry is the only wizard who survived the killing curse. We've seen indications that some of Voldermort's powers were transferred to Harry, so the two share a bond that no one else has with Voldermort.

Prophecy aside, Harry has been set up through six books as the Chosen One, and he's been given gifts that make him unique. He's not an ordinary teenager.

That makes me think Harry will survive. I also think that Ron, Hermione and Ginny will. And I think Harry and Ginny will build their future together. I'm not so sure about the rest of the Weasleys, the Dursleys, Hagrid or McGonagall. But that's a topic for another thread.

But Harry has qualities that Dumbledore doesn't. We don't know what really happened when the Avada Kedavra curse rebounded on Voldermort, but Harry is the only wizard who survived the killing curse. We've seen indications that some of Voldermort's powers were transferred to Harry, so the two share a bond that no one else has with Voldermort.

Prophecy aside, Harry has been set up through six books as the Chosen One, and he's been given gifts that make him unique. He's not an ordinary teenager.

That makes me think Harry will survive. I also think that Ron, Hermione and Ginny will. And I think Harry and Ginny will build their future together. I'm not so sure about the rest of the Weasleys, the Dursleys, Hagrid or McGonagall. But that's a topic for another thread.

I agree entirely. I just don't know how Harry's special power will be used to defeat Voldemort. I can see some possibilities for how he may use it other places, but I haven't been able to envision anything yet for a confronations with Voldemort. But I'm sure you're right, it will happen.

I'm also very confident about the survival of Harry, Ginny, Ron and Hermione. I'll be hugely disappointed if I'm wrong, but I'm not really worried about it because I don't think I'm wrong.

I agree with you about the negative associations with the term "monster". But it does sum up the emotional turmoil, angst, and raging homones teens have to cope with.

I agree. And like Meesha said earlier too, girls sometimes have those million butterflies in their stomachs when they are around a guy they are falling for, and have a emotional and physical attraction too. But with a guy, I guess monster is a more appropriate term, because the "butterflies" are usually associated with a girl's inner feelings. And even though this was my first time hearing about a "monster" to sum up teenage love, raging hormones, and angst, I guess it does fit for a 16 year old boy. Much more macho.:lol:

I agree. And like Meesha said earlier too, girls sometimes have those million butterflies in their stomachs when they are around a guy they are falling for, and have a emotional and physical attraction too. But with a guy, I guess monster is a more appropriate term, because the "butterflies" are usually associated with a girl's inner feelings. And even though this was my first time hearing about a "monster" to sum up teenage love, raging hormones, and angst, I guess it does fit for a 16 year old boy. Much more macho.:lol:
I agree. But apart from that, it's simply JKR's writing style. Remember first time Harry felt something (for Cho), it was a strange movement in his stomach. He felt it through the whole OotP too. When Cho was closer, said something etc, he felt like he missed a step goind down, in his stomach again. He felt also his heart in his throat and then in stomach again. After Sirius' death when Harry was in horrible state, it was described as having a worm you-know-where, and I found it a pretty good and very clear to empathicize with, state of his mind and body. What is more, JK herself in early interviews used to describe her feeling she had when PS was published as a series of jolts and such in her stomach. Reading about monster in Harry's chest did not surprise me at all.


I also think there couldn't have been a better way, I prefer the fact that she used a monster rather than go into explaining his feelings which wouldn't have fitted Harry very well since he isn't really the one who discusses how he feels in depth. Harry's pretty clueless about his emotions, I mean, we read about them so we know he has them, but if I take Cho's example, he doesn't know where he stands most of the time and he doesn't know how to express what he's feeling so the monster kind of fitted in the way that Harry doesn't know how to name his emotions, it's just the monster.Exactly! :clap:
It's just Harry's personality - he's clueless about his own feelings. He can recognize unnatural reaction of his body and mind, but he's lousy when it comes to understanding what's really happening. When he first felt the monster he didn't know what it is, because he thought Ginny is like a sister to him. He just didn't change that description later. Harry is not a type of guy who analizes feelings, that's what Hermione is for him and Ron.

I don't think that most guys are good at expressing their emotions, so I guess the 'monster' was the only way Harry could describe his fellings for Ginny. Maybe JKR's husband explained his emtions for JKR in this way, so JKR had use them for Harry.:love:

Harry is not a type of guy who analizes feelings, that's what Hermione is for him and Ron.
Exactly! Hence the "Just because you have the emotional range of a teaspoon, doesn't mean we all have" line... Harry and Ron just have no clue about how they feel or what it means anyway.

I don't think that most guys are good at expressing their emotions, so I guess the 'monster' was the only way Harry could describe his fellings for Ginny. Maybe JKR's husband explained his emtions for JKR in this way, so JKR had use them for Harry.:love:
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I agree, guys just are not good 'when it comes to showing their feelings' That's why they usually bottle up all their emotions and sometimes just explode. I thought it was weird when JKR kept using 'monster' I was like geez is this kid turning into a monster or possessed by one.

But Harry has qualities that Dumbledore doesn't. We don't know what really happened when the Avada Kedavra curse rebounded on Voldermort, but Harry is the only wizard who survived the killing curse. We've seen indications that some of Voldermort's powers were transferred to Harry, so the two share a bond that no one else has with Voldermort.

Prophecy aside, Harry has been set up through six books as the Chosen One, and he's been given gifts that make him unique. He's not an ordinary teenager.

That makes me think Harry will survive. I also think that Ron, Hermione and Ginny will. And I think Harry and Ginny will build their future together. I'm not so sure about the rest of the Weasleys, the Dursleys, Hagrid or McGonagall. But that's a topic for another thread.

Furthermore, Harry is Voldemort's only living enemy, apart from Ron and Hermione, who knows about his Horcruxes. Harry has the tools and weapons to destroy Voldemort for good because of the love he possesses which ties in with Voldemort's inability to love including the information on how to make him mortal so that he can be faced in battle. After all this, Harry deserves to survive and lead a happy life.

Furthermore, Harry is Voldemort's only living enemy, apart from Ron and Hermione, who knows about his Horcruxes. Harry has the tools and weapons to destroy Voldemort for good because of the love he possesses which ties in with Voldemort's inability to love including the information on how to make him mortal so that he can be faced in battle. After all this, Harry deserves to survive and lead a happy life.
It would also be rather anticlimactic if, after seven books about love and how it must triumph over evil, evil won.

I agree, guys just are not good 'when it comes to showing their feelings' That's why they usually bottle up all their emotions and sometimes just explode. I thought it was weird when JKR kept using 'monster' I was like geez is this kid turning into a monster or possessed by one.
I'm not sure its fair to say that no guys are good at expressing their emotions. Harry is terrible at expressing his feelings, but not all guys are. Also, I think that the monster was a very sophisticated way of expressing his emotion, for a stereotypical sixteen-year-old guy. He understood, to a degree, what he was feeling, and he managed to control his emotion. We've seen Harry's emotional range expand greatly since the fifth book, where he was constantly defensive and wouldn't let his friends help him.

i've always been more sympathetic to the fact that harry has trouble expressing his emotions because until harry was eleven years old no one even asked him how he felt about things. no one harry was in contact with for the first eleven years of his life cared about his feelings. so to me he's actually done quite well at expressing himself since emerging into a world where his thoughts for the first time have an audience.

Whether or not the chamber was opened in the fifth or sixth year is debatable without knowing Voldemort's birthday - if that has been revealed I missed it. Does anyone know?

Not to drag the horse out of its grave for another beating, but I decided to pull my copy of Prince off of the shelf tonight and I discovered the answer to your question, or at least in part. I do not think anyone else answered it, so I thought I would post it here. So I apologize if I am just retelling old information.

In the chapter The Secret Riddle, Harry and Dumbledore view Dumbledore's memory of going to the orphanage to give Riddle his letter of acceptance into Hogwarts, and Dumbledore is talking to the matron of the establishment, pumping her for information on Tom Riddle's past. Here is what she said:
"I remember it clear as anything, because I'd just started here myself. New Year's Eve and bitter cold, snowing, you know. Nasty night. And this girl, not much older than I was myself at the time, came staggering up the front steps. Well, she wasn't the first. We took her in, and she had the baby within the hour. And she was dead in a another hour."
So while I cannot give you the exact year he was born, the date of Voldemort's birth was December 31, or possibly January 1, depending on what time of night (or early morning) he was born.

And so this post is not entirely off-topic, I want to ask a Harry/Ginny related question that occured to me while I was reading Prince again tonight: Ginny says she never gave up on Harry even though it seemed as though she "moved on," and J.K. Rowling once said when referring to Ginny as pining away with love for Harry while he asked other girls out right in front of her, my question is do you think she continued to love him even though she was dating other people?

For example, the entire time Ginny was with Dean while Harry had a crush on her, do you think she still loved Harry and wanted to be with him despite the fact she was with Dean, so all Harry would have had to do is tell her how he felt to be with her? I know it sounds like a weird question, but I am genuinely curious to see what everyone else thinks about it. I mean, personally, it would be hard for me to date one person if I knew in my heart that I loved someone else. Having a relationship with another person would just make me feel worse that the one I love does not seem to return my ardor, not to mention the fact that I was leading some one else on by giving them the impression I like them and want to be with them when I really don't.

I think that maybe Ginny was trying to convince herself and everyone around her that she did not have a 'crush' on Harry any longer by dating, sort of like she was saying, "See, I don't like Harry anymore, I'm with Michael. I'm totally over Harry. Really." I also think a lot of it may have had to do with how good it made Ginny feel that boys found her attractive and liked her. There is certainly nothing wrong with that because everyone has a need to feel wanted and loved. And maybe because she felt that Harry did not want her or love her back, she thought that she was being silly to hold on to feelings for him and decided that it would be nice for someone to feel that way about her for a change. Again, I think Ginny decided this on a conscious level (you would be surprised just how remarkable human beings are at compartmentalizing their thoughts and feelings) but she still loved and cared for Harry on a subconscious level.

The only reason I bring it up is because I think that it is important to understand how Ginny has felt for Harry over the years to be able to determine with any success what will go on between them in the future. I don't know. If I'm not making any sense, feel free to completely ignore me and everything I have just said.

Firstly, the year that Riddle was born is what we needed to determine when the CoS was opened.

Secondly, It made sense, but I didnt really understand it. I think Ginny liked Harry the whole time (I have done what she did (go out with other people to make the person you really like "jealous".) It worked) and went out with the other people to make harry "realize his true feelings". I agree with you too, that she did it partially so she could say "see, I dont like him anymore." I think, after her 1st boyfriend, that she went out with other guys just so she could be in control. Her brother keeps telling her that she shouldnt be going out with guys or whatever, and she is defying him.

i think that ginny did the smartest thing by moving on from harry and looking for happiness some where else. (think about it this way, if harry and ginny weren't soul mates and ginny never let go of her crush for him she could have turned out like some sort of scarlet o'hara obsessed with ashley wilkes woman!) i dont think her feelings for him ever went totally away, she probably just let them go dormant, while she tried to move on. it's like that saying "if you really love something you'll be willing to let it go, and if it was really meant to be it'll come back" (something along those lines). i think she handled it very well because if harry didn't come around she still would have had a chance to find happiness with someone else instead of spending her life pining away, and this way he came back to her and she didn't need to open herself up to his rejection again. i thought it was very well done.

I'm not sure that Ginny really wanted to make harry jealous, I think she just wanted to try to get Harry to notice her. Harry would never see Ginny as an equal if she never talked to him. I think that Ginny actually did like Dean, because, if she didn't, I doubt she would have spent time with Dean when there was a chance to hang out with Harry. I wish that we could have known Ginny's feelings after Ron and Harry caught her snogging Dean (other than anger at Ron for being overprotective). That would have given a difinitive answer to this question.

i think that ginny did the smartest thing by moving on from harry and looking for happiness some where else. (think about it this way, if harry and ginny weren't soul mates and ginny never let go of her crush for him she could have turned out like some sort of scarlet o'hara obsessed with ashley wilkes woman!) i dont think her feelings for him ever went totally away, she probably just let them go dormant, while she tried to move on. it's like that saying "if you really love something you'll be willing to let it go, and if it was really meant to be it'll come back" (something along those lines). i think she handled it very well because if harry didn't come around she still would have had a chance to find happiness with someone else instead of spending her life pining away, and this way he came back to her and she didn't need to open herself up to his rejection again. i thought it was very well done. You've exactly described my favourite thing about Ginny's character. I liked her willingness to move on and not obsess over Harry and not just move on and be pathetic and looking at him longingly from a distance but move on and be spectacular. She had Harry even thinking he needs to somehow grab her soon or someone will take her away. I'm the "unofficial counsellor" in my group of friends and ever since high school I've had to constantly listen and guide them through breakups, etc. and I admire greatly women who move on and move on well (and listen to their friends when they tell them at the beginning of a relationship that is clearly doomed to failure that the guy is a loser :grumble: ).

Cheers :tu:

I don't think Ginny went out with Dean and Michael to make Harry jealous or notice her. To me it seems she just genuinely got over openly showing those feelings and hoping he'll notice her, and instead put her feelings on the backburner. It's not possible to just stop yourself feeling that way about someone, which I think she realized. She probably thought "I may get over him completely eventually, I may not, so I give up." We've seen other characters try to do that - Harry tried to ignore those feelings by first saying he was just being brotherly, then because she was already with Dean and also because he was afraid Ron would disfigure him; Ron and Hermione tried to do that but failed at it because they're very open people and have constantly hinted that they like eachother; Remus tried to, but couldn't because he knew Tonks returned his feelings. So Ginny has been the only one able to successfully give up on someone though she still loved him.

You've exactly described my favourite thing about Ginny's character. I liked her willingness to move on and not obsess over Harry and not just move on and be pathetic and looking at him longingly from a distance but move on and be spectacular. She had Harry even thinking he needs to somehow grab her soon or someone will take her away. I'm the "unofficial counsellor" in my group of friends and ever since high school I've had to constantly listen and guide them through breakups, etc. and I admire greatly women who move on and move on well (and listen to their friends when they tell them at the beginning of a relationship that is clearly doomed to failure that the guy is a loser :grumble: ).

That sounds just like what Hermione does :p

I don't think Ginny went out with Dean and Michael to make Harry jealous or notice her. To me it seems she just genuinely got over openly showing those feelings and hoping he'll notice her, and instead put her feelings on the backburner. It's not possible to just stop yourself feeling that way about someone, which I think she realized. She probably thought "I may get over him completely eventually, I may not, so I give up." We've seen other characters try to do that - Harry tried to ignore those feelings by first saying he was just being brotherly, then because she was already with Dean and also because he was afraid Ron would disfigure him; Ron and Hermione tried to do that but failed at it because they're very open people and have constantly hinted that they like eachother; Remus tried to, but couldn't because he knew Tonks returned his feelings. So Ginny has been the only one able to successfully give up on someone though she still loved him. I agree with you. I don't think Ginny tried to make Harry jealous at any point and none of her actions or statements by any of the characters led me to believe otherwise. She seemed as if she genuinely was trying to move on. She spent a year and a year and a half in each of her respective relationships and for a teenage girl that's really committed and not just someone using people to get a guy to notice them. I think JK would have pointed it out in some way if that was what she was trying to portray Ginny as doing. She made it pretty blatant when Hermione tried those tactics.

Cheers :tu:

I agree with you. I don't think Ginny tried to make Harry jealous at any point and none of her actions or statements by any of the characters led me to believe otherwise. She seemed as if she genuinely was trying to move on. She spent a year and a year and a half in each of her respective relationships and for a teenage girl that's really committed and not just someone using people to get a guy to notice them. I think JK would have pointed it out in some way if that was what she was trying to portray Ginny as doing. She made it pretty blatant when Hermione tried those tactics.

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Exactly, Ginny was just trying to move onto other things, I don't think she ever intended to make Harry jealous or anything, she just wanted to get on with her life. It just happened that by doing that, Harry noticed her.

I have to say I really don't think Ginny just went out with her first two boyfriends just to make Harry jealous. But I have to say I think she would have been thrilled if he had been. I have no doubt that she liked and was committed to both boy's, but also hoped that her dating would get Harry's attention, and show him she was a girl, now all grown up, and not just Ron's sister.

Now I love Ginny she is my favourite character but I have no doubt that there was some small part of her that only dated both boy's just for Harry's sake. We know she never stoped loving him and we know she wanted him to actually see her. Even if that only ended in friendship.

Now dose all this make her bad, or evil, or manipulative??? No it makes her human, it makes her female, and it makes her a person in love. All three thing’s of which are actually very endearing.

Now dose all this make her bad, or evil, or manipulative??? No it makes her human, it makes her female, and it makes her a person in love. All three thing’s of which are actually very endearing. I don't think it does either because Hermione did that and I think she is a wonderful person. There just isn't anything that leads me to believe that Ginny dated those guys with Harry in mind consciously but I guess subconsciously there may have been something going on. Since she states at the end of HBP that she never really got over Harry, there is a high probability that she did have him in mind but she was not purposefully trying to make him jealous in my opinion.

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I agree with you. I don't think Ginny tried to make Harry jealous at any point and none of her actions or statement by any of the characters led me to believe otherwise. She seemed as if she genuinely was trying to move on. She spent a year and a year and a half in each of her respective relationships and for a teenage girl that's really committed.

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It's not in Ginny's character to do that, especially as she's matured and grown into a confident young woman. Cho tried to make Harry jealous because she was insecure and suspected he had a thing for Hermione of all people, Ron and Hermione constantly tried to make eachother jealous in hopes that they'd reveal their true feelings (which I think ended when Ron almost died and they both matured and both were on the same level after that). Ginny used to be insecure, that's why she trusted Tom Riddle and his diary. Harry grew up after Cho. Neither Ginny nor the trio are like that anymore, but Ginny was the first to mature our of all four of them and it just wouldn't be something she'd do, especially now, it's about as likely as her using a love potion on Harry :nc:

I forgot to answer what this will mean for her future with Harry. I think it was important that she developed and grow into who she is, that's who Harry fell for, and they are both equal now, and that's the only way a relationship for them will ever work out. I think it would've had a lot of problems if Ginny had still been the blushing, shy girl around him and he had still been clueless when it came to girls or feelings, or if Ginny had moved on just to make him jealous - remember, she didn't think he had feelings for her, so there'd be nothing for him to be jealous of. She moved on BECAUSE she didn't think he'd ever return her feelings. Harry was jealous because he realized he liked her - she didn't mean for him to find her snogging Dean, she didn't do anything with Michael in front of him either. He noticed her because of who she was, not because of what she was doing with other guys, and I don't think it had ever crossed her mind that she should try to make him jealous. It's not in her nature to do that, and she knows and loves Harry enough not to do something like that.

Not to drag the horse out of its grave for another beating, but I decided to pull my copy of Prince off of the shelf tonight and I discovered the answer to your question, or at least in part. I do not think anyone else answered it, so I thought I would post it here. So I apologize if I am just retelling old information.

In the chapter The Secret Riddle, Harry and Dumbledore view Dumbledore's memory of going to the orphanage to give Riddle his letter of acceptance into Hogwarts, and Dumbledore is talking to the matron of the establishment, pumping her for information on Tom Riddle's past. Here is what she said:

So while I cannot give you the exact year he was born, the date of Voldemort's birth was December 31, or possibly January 1, depending on what time of night (or early morning) he was born.

Thanks for that - you have no idea how frustrating I'm getting without access to my books. :grumble:

So, if his birthday is on December 31/January 1 that means he has his birthday in the middle of the school year - like Ron does. When Riddle takes Harry into the memory of the night he framed Hagrid, it appears to be near the end of the year so he would have been 16 and finishing off his fifth year. That makes sense and still leaves time for him to have created the diary Horcrux in his sixth year. Now, all I have to do is figure out if Slughorn's memory occurred in his fifth or sixth year - still no books. :grumble:

And so this post is not entirely off-topic, I want to ask a Harry/Ginny related question that occured to me while I was reading Prince again tonight: Ginny says she never gave up on Harry even though it seemed as though she "moved on," and J.K. Rowling once said when referring to Ginny as pining away with love for Harry while he asked other girls out right in front of her, my question is do you think she continued to love him even though she was dating other people?

For example, the entire time Ginny was with Dean while Harry had a crush on her, do you think she still loved Harry and wanted to be with him despite the fact she was with Dean, so all Harry would have had to do is tell her how he felt to be with her? I know it sounds like a weird question, but I am genuinely curious to see what everyone else thinks about it. I mean, personally, it would be hard for me to date one person if I knew in my heart that I loved someone else. Having a relationship with another person would just make me feel worse that the one I love does not seem to return my ardor, not to mention the fact that I was leading some one else on by giving them the impression I like them and want to be with them when I really don't.

I think that maybe Ginny was trying to convince herself and everyone around her that she did not have a 'crush' on Harry any longer by dating, sort of like she was saying, "See, I don't like Harry anymore, I'm with Michael. I'm totally over Harry. Really." I also think a lot of it may have had to do with how good it made Ginny feel that boys found her attractive and liked her. There is certainly nothing wrong with that because everyone has a need to feel wanted and loved. And maybe because she felt that Harry did not want her or love her back, she thought that she was being silly to hold on to feelings for him and decided that it would be nice for someone to feel that way about her for a change. Again, I think Ginny decided this on a conscious level (you would be surprised just how remarkable human beings are at compartmentalizing their thoughts and feelings) but she still loved and cared for Harry on a subconscious level.

The only reason I bring it up is because I think that it is important to understand how Ginny has felt for Harry over the years to be able to determine with any success what will go on between them in the future. I don't know. If I'm not making any sense, feel free to completely ignore me and everything I have just said.

My opinion is that Ginny never stopped having feelings for Harry. What she gave up on was the hope that he would ever notice her in "that way". She took Hermione's advice - there was no sense in her pining away and putting her life on hold for a boy who didn't appear to even know she existed as anything beyond "Ron's baby sister". I think, if she had received even the slightest bit of hope from Harry that he was noticing her, she probably wouldn't have been able to do this. But her frame of mind was that he probably never would so she tried to move one.

I think she did have some level of feelings for Michael and Dean - not as strong as her feelings for Harry but enough to date both boys for at least a year. That says a lot about her character. I don't think that she ever had any intentions of trying to make Harry jealous - I don't think that she believed that she could make Harry jealous.

What she gave up on was the hope that he would ever notice her in "that way".

Exactly. Which also means she'd never try to make him jealous, not if she got over that hope like we were told and shown that she did.

I thought it was cool how Ginny did not give up on Harry but did not wait around for him either.

Now I love Ginny she is my favourite character but I have no doubt that there was some small part of her that only dated both boy's just for Harry's sake. We know she never stoped loving him and we know she wanted him to actually see her. Even if that only ended in friendship.

Now dose all this make her bad, or evil, or manipulative??? No it makes her human, it makes her female, and it makes her a person in love. All three thing’s of which are actually very endearing.

She didn't knowingly date Michael Corner and Dean with Harry in mind, but he was always there in her subconcious. It was the fact that Harry wasn't noticing her and that she was blundering her way around and making herself look like a complete fool (I personally thought it was really cute) that motivated her come to her senses. She stopped pining and moved on without any intention of getting Harry to notice her.

Hi all, I agree with you PotionA. JKR has done a nice job on developing Harry and Ginny's relationship. I do not see her breaking it off at all. I feel that we will see Harry and Ginny back together soon, if not half way into it then at the end. I hope it will be about half way into it. JKR has said that Harry is becoming more powerful, and that Ginny is the 7th child etc.. and gifted. So I just know that book 7 will be great. Harry will be looking for all the horcruxes and fighting off DE's with Ron, Hermione and Lupin's help etc.. I'm thinking that Ginny will come up with a way to help him. He may or may not know about at first. With Tonks & Lupin and Ron & Hermione and Bill & Fleur all together Harry will be missing Ginny. I hope JKR has him see that Ginny is at risk with or without him. I would like to see H/G work together like James and Lily did, by the end of the book.

I really do hope that Harry gets to live a happy life after Voldermont too, hopfully with Ginny.

I think Ginny got over her pre-adolescent crush, but when she tells Harry that she never gave up on him, that means that she always hoped that he would eventually notice her. That's not the same as 'love', which requires a developed relationship. While still hoping for Harry some day, Ginny made the wise decision to not put her life on hold, but to develop a normal social life, and if other boys came into the picture, that was fine. I don't think she was trying to make Harry jealous. At a younger age, (Yule ball) when she still had a crush on Harry, she still had the wisdom, maturity and integrity to honor her prior committment to Neville. That's not the kind of person who would manipulate one person to make someone else jealous.

I don't think that she ever had any intentions of trying to make Harry jealous - I don't think that she believed that she could make Harry jealous.I agree. The thought to try and make Harry jealous would not have entered Ginny Weasley's mind because after 3 years of pining and no response from Harry, she gave up on Harry ever noticing her that way. To try and make someone jealous implies the belief that they would notice enough to be jealous and Hermione told the readers in Order of the Phoenix that Ginny gave up on Harry.

And so this post is not entirely off-topic, I want to ask a Harry/Ginny related question that occured to me while I was reading Prince again tonight: Ginny says she never gave up on Harry even though it seemed as though she "moved on," and J.K. Rowling once said when referring to Ginny as pining away with love for Harry while he asked other girls out right in front of her, my question is do you think she continued to love him even though she was dating other people?

For example, the entire time Ginny was with Dean while Harry had a crush on her, do you think she still loved Harry and wanted to be with him despite the fact she was with Dean, so all Harry would have had to do is tell her how he felt to be with her? I know it sounds like a weird question, but I am genuinely curious to see what everyone else thinks about it. I mean, personally, it would be hard for me to date one person if I knew in my heart that I loved someone else. Having a relationship with another person would just make me feel worse that the one I love does not seem to return my ardor, not to mention the fact that I was leading some one else on by giving them the impression I like them and want to be with them when I really don't.
It's a great question!

Personally, I think she genuinely and completely moved on and tried with another boys. What she felt for Harry was something special, but even that feeling is not worth pining for a guy who doesn't even notice you for all your life. Suffering for the sake of pure suffering (because the guy doesn't care) is a very unhealthy kind of love, it's pathetic. So she DID move on with that little hope that Harry may like her new, and in fact true, self. Not because she stopped thinking he's a wonderful person only because he doesn't love her in return. I think that hope was there deep in her mind all the time.

Did she do that on purpose? No. In books 2-4 Ginny was horribly suffering because she couldn't force herself to make a move on Harry. She chose to go with Neville when she could've with Harry. She's not a girl who would make a guy suffer jealousy to get what she wants.

Did she really wanted to be with Michael and Dean? Yes. Feeling like Ginny's for Harry is a real gift, I guess. Normally, single boys and girls decide if the girl/boy is nice, intelligent, handsome and then give it a try and start going out. It will work or not and then they can try with someone else.

What did she feel for Harry in OotP and most of HBP? Well, long time ago I fancied a guy, but later I realised we wouldn't be a good couple. Now he and his fiancee are my dear friends. Same with my ex-boyfriend and his new girlfriend, though I suspect she'd like me to move to another city just in case. I'm truly happy for all of them. When Ginny in HBP told Harry she's happy he chose to invite Luna for the party, I'm sure that was what she meant. When Harry wanted to sit with her in the train and she went to Dean, I'm sure she didn't have a problem, because she dated Dean, not Harry. Not before she moved on she could show her other feeling for him - friendship, that's how we call love without a romantic scent.

How I imagine her hope that it may work with Harry some day? Maybe there were moments she was sitting next to Dean and looking at Harry sadly thinking how would it be if he looked at her too... (at the end of OotP she still used to immediately look in another direction)

Did she have hope for something more? Yes. She said it herself. It was so normal for her that Harry is nothing more than a friend, that she did not even look for signs of his attraction for her. But:

she almost cried shouting at Ron about Harry snogging Cho. That was probably a memory of misery she felt when she watched Harry/Cho two years ago
she did care he chose a good girl and her friend to invite to the party. She wanted him to be happy
she had an argument with Dean after Harry's skull was cracked and went to visit Harry instead of enjoying the party
when Harry hugged her after one of the first matches, she noticed the change in his behaviour. She tried to look in his eyes and understand what's happening. I think it was the moment the old feeling returned with memories and hope and she was ready to accept it from Harry.

That shows she liked Harry dearly all the time, but didn't believe it had a chance. And when she noticed that maybe Harry would want it too, it was just like it was years ago, the same hope like nothing happened.

(I know I'm a little bit too biased)

This made me think of an analogy with "Friends" if anyone's familiar with the show. Ross has always liked Rachel, but she had never noticed him in that way so he moved on to other girlfriends, like Julie. He wasn't trying to make Rachel jealous because he knew there was no hope she would ever notice him. Of course eventually she did, but it's the same with Harry and Ginny. Ginny just moved on to other things instead of dwelling on it for eternity.

It's a great question!

Personally, I think she genuinely and completely moved on and tried with another boys. What she felt for Harry was something special, but even that feeling is not worth pining for a guy who doesn't even notice you for all your life. Suffering for the sake of pure suffering (because the guy doesn't care) is a very unhealthy kind of love, it's pathetic. So she DID move on with that little hope that Harry may like her new, and in fact true, self. Not because she stopped thinking he's a wonderful person only because he doesn't love her in return. I think that hope was there deep in her mind all the time.

Did she do that on purpose? No. In books 2-4 Ginny was horribly suffering because she couldn't force herself to make a move on Harry. She chose to go with Neville when she could've with Harry. She's not a girl who would make a guy suffer jealousy to get what she wants.

Did she really wanted to be with Michael and Dean? Yes. Feeling like Ginny's for Harry is a real gift, I guess. Normally, single boys and girls decide if the girl/boy is nice, intelligent, handsome and then give it a try and start going out. It will work or not and then they can try with someone else.

What did she feel for Harry in OotP and most of HBP? Well, long time ago I fancied a guy, but later I realised we wouldn't be a good couple. Now he and his fiancee are my dear friends. Same with my ex-boyfriend and his new girlfriend, though I suspect she'd like me to move to another city just in case. I'm truly happy for all of them. When Ginny in HBP told Harry she's happy he chose to invite Luna for the party, I'm sure that was what she meant. When Harry wanted to sit with her in the train and she went to Dean, I'm sure she didn't have a problem, because she dated Dean, not Harry. Not before she moved on she could show her other feeling for him - friendship, that's how we call love without a romantic scent.

How I imagine her hope that it may work with Harry some day? Maybe there were moments she was sitting next to Dean and looking at Harry sadly thinking how would it be if he looked at her too... (at the end of OotP she still used to immediately look in another direction)

Did she have hope for something more? Yes. She said it herself. It was so normal for her that Harry is nothing more than a friend, that she did not even look for signs of his attraction for her. But:

she almost cried shouting at Ron about Harry snogging Cho. That was probably a memory of misery she felt when she watched Harry/Cho two years ago
she did care he chose a good girl and her friend to invite to the party. She wanted him to be happy
she had an argument with Dean after Harry's skull was cracked and went to visit Harry instead of enjoying the party
when Harry hugged her after one of the first matches, she noticed the change in his behaviour. She tried to look in his eyes and understand what's happening. I think it was the moment the old feeling returned with memories and hope and she was ready to accept it from Harry.

That shows she liked Harry dearly all the time, but didn't believe it had a chance. And when she noticed that maybe Harry would want it too, it was just like it was years ago, the same hope like nothing happened.

(I know I'm a little bit too biased) I thought your analysis was very well done and on point. I agree with all your points and all your speculations about her feelings at the time.

As I said before, Ginny's mature attitude towards her unrequited love for Harry is one of my absolute favourite things about her character. She really is an example of how these sort of things should be handled (most of the times - sometimes you need to knock some sense into a guy).


Cheers :tu:

Did she do that on purpose? No. In books 2-4 Ginny was horribly suffering because she couldn't force herself to make a move on Harry. She chose to go with Neville when she could've with Harry. She's not a girl who would make a guy suffer jealousy to get what she wants.

This is one of the most admirable traits about Ginny's character. She had a golden opportunity to go to the Yule Ball as Harry's date and could've easily put Neville down. But she stuck to her committment about going with Neville and refused Harry's offer. It emphasizes the strength in her personality and the fact that she's not an opportunist.

This is one of the most admirable traits about Ginny's character. She had a golden opportunity to go to the Yule Ball as Harry's date and could've easily put Neville down. But she stuck to her committment about going with Neville and refused Harry's offer. It emphasizes the strength in her personality and the fact that she's not an opportunist.

I definitely agree with this, although it was clear at the end of HBP that leaving each other was the last thing either of them wanted to do. Harry mentions that Voldemort kidnapped her just because she was his bast mate's sister. What if he foresaw Ginny and Harry being together? Emotion is definitely one of Harry's greatest weaknesses, and dear old Voldy knows that from being in Harry's head. Your thoughts?

I'm not sure how I feel about the two of them especially wondering whether or not Harry is a horcrux. I mean, if he is, he will have to die to save her and the others. I just don't know. This is one I don't want to comment much on because I think there is just simply too many possibilties.

This is one of the most admirable traits about Ginny's character. She had a golden opportunity to go to the Yule Ball as Harry's date and could've easily put Neville down. But she stuck to her committment about going with Neville and refused Harry's offer. It emphasizes the strength in her personality and the fact that she's not an opportunist.

And we've seen this over and over. She had her opportunity when they were back on the train in OOTP and she found out Harry was single again. She could've spent the train ride to Hogwarts in HBP with Harry, probably alone with him if Harry hadn't met up with Neville and Luna, but she didn't. She could've gone to Hogsmeade with him and Ron and Hermione, but she still went with Dean. I like that she never sulked about Harry during this time, she was always telling him those things "brightly" - doesn't sound like she was trying to convince herself she was over Harry by seeing other guys, she just sounded genuinely content with her life.

Emotion is definitely one of Harry's greatest weaknesses, and dear old Voldy knows that from being in Harry's head. Your thoughts?

Ah but didn't Dumbledore say that Voldemort would avoid and perhaps block access to Harry's mind after he possessed Harry at the MoM? That kind of lead me to think Harry might have to convince or trick Voldemort into getting into his mind again when all the Horcruxes are finito. EDIT: Doy *facepalm* I forgot to say what this has to do with Ginny. Harry has once again made the mistake of not thinking everything through - in OOTP, he didn't think Voldemort might be tricking him with the torture of Sirius, in HBP he didn't think that his relationship with Ginny was big news at Hogwarts and it could get back to Voldemort that way. He seems to have a knack for not thinking through all of the possibilities and instead opts for the likeliest one. Emotion is his strongest weapon, assuming things is one of his weaknesses. He assumed Snape wanted to steal the stone, he assumed Draco was behind the attacks in COS, he assumed lots of other things, including what I've already mentioned about that image of Sirius in the DoM. I think he did the most assuming in HBP - he assumed (the word is starting to make less sense the more I say it) Draco and Snape were up to no good (and ironically, the one time he was right, no one believed him - well, except Dumbledore, but that's a whole other discussion), he assumed Dumbledore was a fool for trusting Snape, he didn't think that maybe the excuse Dumbledore gave him was a bunch of codswallop, he didn't consider that especially as Dumbledore knew of Malfoy's plans, he might've had a plan with Snape. He assumed Ginny would be more safe without him, which as usual, is going to come back and bite him in the...well, you know. I think it'll go one of two ways - either someone, I'm betting my money on Hermione and/or Remus, will tell him what a stupid idea it was to break it off with her, OR something terrible will happen that will make him rethink his plan. I hope it's not the latter, but whenever Harry makes a big mistake like that, he doesn't realize it until something bad happens...although I really can see Hermione and Remus looking at him pityingly when he's trying to figure out why it was pointless to break up with her :lol:

And we've seen this over and over. She had her opportunity when they were back on the train in OOTP and she found out Harry was single again. She could've spent the train ride to Hogwarts in HBP with Harry, probably alone with him if Harry hadn't met up with Neville and Luna, but she didn't. She could've gone to Hogsmeade with him and Ron and Hermione, but she still went with Dean. I like that she never sulked about Harry during this time, she was always telling him those things "brightly" - doesn't sound like she was trying to convince herself she was over Harry by seeing other guys, she just sounded genuinely content with her life.

Exactly. Whatever happened between Harry and Ginny was solely because Harry had initiated the relationship. Ginny didn't even have to to try and get him to notice her because she had what it takes to attract a guy like Harry all along and that is the right personality.

Ah but didn't Dumbledore say that Voldemort would avoid and perhaps block access to Harry's mind after he possessed Harry at the MoM? That kind of lead me to think Harry might have to convince or trick Voldemort into getting into his mind again when all the Horcruxes are finito.

It's an interesting possibility that Harry might use Voldemort's own tactics by placing a false image in his head and lure Voldemort into battle. In regards to Harry and Ginny, he doesn't need to look inside Harry's head to find out his feelings for Ginny. Snape and Malfoy could easily tell him about it and he probably knew about it as soon as they started dating because their relationship turned out to be like a public announcement thanks to the Hogwarts grapevine.

It's an interesting possibility that Harry might use Voldemort's own tactics by placing a false image in his head and lure Voldemort into battle. In regards to Harry and Ginny, he doesn't need to look inside Harry's head to find out his feelings for Ginny. Snape and Malfoy could easily tell him about it and he probably knew about it as soon as they started dating because their relationship turned out to be like a public announcement thanks to the Hogwarts grapevine.
Right! This is why I thought Harry was crazy in his reasoning for breaking off the relationship with Ginny. There are so many people who could tell Voldemort about Harry's feelings for Ginny; Harry's not going to keep Voldemort from finding out about it by not going out with her.

Right! This is why I thought Harry was crazy in his reasoning for breaking off the relationship with Ginny. There are so many people who could tell Voldemort about Harry's feelings for Ginny; Harry's not going to keep Voldemort from finding out about it by not going out with her.

True, and even if, for the sake of arguement, if Harry didn't have feelings for Ginny rommantially anymore, Ginny would still be a target because she is a Weasley, with her family being known of blood traitors and Order memebers, so in retrospect, it wouldn't matter either way, but I still think Harry and Ginny broke it off for a reason---true it was noble, but I think there was also a reason too, but I think I'll be waiting a little less than two years to find out the answer.

True, and even if, for the sake of arguement, if Harry didn't have feelings for Ginny rommantially anymore, Ginny would still be a target because she is a Weasley, with her family being known of blood traitors and Order memebers, so in retrospect, it wouldn't matter either way, but I still think Harry and Ginny broke it off for a reason---true it was noble, but I think there was also a reason too, but I think I'll be waiting a little less than two years to find out the answer.

The fact that Harry was being noble is the reason. He didn't want to see her get hurt and he broke it off with her because he thought that anyone who's with him is doomed for life. It was typical of Harry to be like that because his irrational and illogical side sometimes outweighs his more sensible one.

The fact that Harry was being noble is the reason. He didn't want to see her get hurt and he broke it off with her because he thought that anyone who's with him is doomed for life. It was typical of Harry to be like that because his irrational and illogical side sometimes outweighs his more sensible one.

I agree. I know Harry's reason was to try his hardest to protect Ginny, but what I meant is that there has to be a reason that the breakup was shown and put into HBP, even though it may be part of the reason, I don't believe personally that the breakup scene was put into HBP just to show how foolish and irrational Harry's decisons can sometimes be. I still don't think he will be blocking out or denying love during his horcrux search, especially since he will be with the trio, whom he has a special bond with. I wonder how far away Voldemort needs to be to see inside Harry's thoughts, or perhaps, if Snape was bad, he would have personally told Voldemort about Harry Potter's new girlfriend, but I wonder how much of an impact that would have on Voldemort, and if he would even care...about Harry Potter's girlfriend, but he may have intrest in that realationship or ex-realationship if Voldemort knows about Ginny and the diary.

I agree. I know Harry's reason was to try his hardest to protect Ginny, but what I meant is that there has to be a reason that the breakup was shown and put into HBP, even though it may be part of the reason, I don't believe personally that the breakup scene was put into HBP just to show how foolish and irrational Harry's decisons can sometimes be. I still don't think he will be blocking out or denying love during his horcrux search, especially since he will be with the trio, whom he has a special bond with. I wonder how far away Voldemort needs to be to see inside Harry's thoughts, or perhaps, if Snape was bad, he would have personally told Voldemort about Harry Potter's new girlfriend, but I wonder how much of an impact that would have on Voldemort, and if he would even care...about Harry Potter's girlfriend, but he may have intrest in that realationship or ex-realationship if Voldemort knows about Ginny and the diary.

I think it may have also been to show just how important it is that Harry embraces all the love he can get. Ignoring it will weaken him, while if he accepts all of it, and all the support he can get, that trumps any fancy spells or minions Voldemort has. We've seen the negative effects denied or unrequited love can have, I think the Remus/Tonks and Merope/Tom storylines have some purpose yet. I agree that being with Ron and Hermione will make him way stronger than if he went alone, but what he has with Ginny is a different kind of love, one he needs just as much as that of his friends and family (I pretty much consider the Weasleys his family).

I do hope that Harry relizes his choice to not be with Ginny as a mistake, and they start dating again. I really really want them to be togther again.

i've always been more sympathetic to the fact that harry has trouble expressing his emotions because until harry was eleven years old no one even asked him how he felt about things. no one harry was in contact with for the first eleven years of his life cared about his feelings. so to me he's actually done quite well at expressing himself since emerging into a world where his thoughts for the first time have an audience.
That's an excellent point actually, he's never been through that stage of being a little boy when it's allright to cry so it's really quite remarkable he's able to behave so 'normally' in that respect.

I definitely agree with this, although it was clear at the end of HBP that leaving each other was the last thing either of them wanted to do. Harry mentions that Voldemort kidnapped her just because she was his bast mate's sister.
Sorry, when was this?

What if he foresaw Ginny and Harry being together? Emotion is definitely one of Harry's greatest weaknesses, and dear old Voldy knows that from being in Harry's head. Your thoughts?
Somehow I can't see it, Tom the memory used Ginny because Lucius Malfoy planted the diary on her, it could have easily been some other 'silly little girl' but dear old Lucius wanted to particularly hit Arthur's family because of the threat he was creating for him. That and the events surrounding the Chamber are only known fully to two people now, Harry and Ginny.

As for Voldemort forseeing them getting involved, well for starters he can't really comprehend what love is in any form, the mere thought of Harry seeing Sirius again at the Ministry was enough to send Tom fleeing from his mind like a scalded cat. Secondly any hostage would do as well. Harry does have his, as Hermione called it, 'Saving people thing' so were he to employ the hostage bait again there are any number of candidates with whom the gambit would be successful.

I don't think that Voldermont knows that Malfoy gave Ginny the Diary, or I think that Malfoy would of been killed by Voldermont already. I think that Voldermont will find out about Ginny because Harry can not close his mind, and Harry still has feelings for Ginny.

No!!!
There's definitely no future between Ginny and Harry No offense meant okay?
Well im not saying this because i am a Harry/Hermione Shipper but i based it on soooo many instances and well Rowlings Interviews she may have not directly said that its harry and ginny or hermione but she has clues... yeah clues that makes me believe its hermione and harry... And the biased movies, of course a movie director is not the only one reponsible for choosing scenes from the book Rowling is part of it, take a closer look of Harry and Hermiones intimate scenes in the four movies.... isnt it a bit obvious? Well about Ron.. I think its nothing, Hermione never realy admitted she likes ron Neither does in action, they fight... yeah.. but it doesnt mean they have feelings.... while in Hermiones attention for Harry ... Its a bit too obvious..I may be an exaggerated fan But.... We'll see....



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No!!!
There's definitely no future between Ginny and Harry No offense meant okay?
Well im not saying this because i am a Harry/Hermione Shipper but i based it on soooo many instances and well Rowlings Interviews she may have not directly said that its harry and ginny or hermione but she has clues... yeah clues that makes me believe its hermione and harry... And the biased movies, of course a movie director is not the only one reponsible for choosing scenes from the book Rowling is part of it, take a closer look of Harry and Hermiones intimate scenes in the four movies.... isnt it a bit obvious? Well about Ron.. I think its nothing, Hermione never realy admitted she likes ron Neither does in action, they fight... yeah.. but it doesnt mean they have feelings.... while in Hermiones attention for Harry ... Its a bit too obvious..I may be an exaggerated fan But.... We'll see....

Are you the writer? I don't think she could be more blunt than "Yes, we do know it's Ron and Hermione" and saying that Ginny is Harry's ideal girl. And also, the movies have no influence over the books. I don't see what people say is "so obvious" about Harry and Hermione except the fact that they're best friends, just like Harry is best friends with Ron, especially as there is nothing in canon to prove your point.

Anyway, there's to be no shipping in this thread, so I will leave it at that. To continue discussion, how does everyone think Harry will realize there was no point in breaking it off with Ginny (since from what I've seen, there's a consensus that he will realize it at some point in the last book)?

No!!!
There's definitely no future between Ginny and Harry No offense meant okay?
Well im not saying this because i am a Harry/Hermione Shipper but i based it on soooo many instances and well Rowlings Interviews she may have not directly said that its harry and ginny or hermione but she has clues... yeah clues that makes me believe its hermione and harry... And the biased movies, of course a movie director is not the only one reponsible for choosing scenes from the book Rowling is part of it, take a closer look of Harry and Hermiones intimate scenes in the four movies.... isnt it a bit obvious? Well about Ron.. I think its nothing, Hermione never realy admitted she likes ron Neither does in action, they fight... yeah.. but it doesnt mean they have feelings.... while in Hermiones attention for Harry ... Its a bit too obvious..I may be an exaggerated fan But.... We'll see....


No offense taken. You're welcome to your opinions, but Rowling made it very clear in the MuggleNet/Leaky auldron interview last summer. She left no doubt that it's Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione. See
http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview.shtml

Look at Emma/Hermione and Daniel/Harry
they just look good even in real life....

i agree, in real life they would make a cute couple; however in CANON they do NOT exist

i agree, in real life they would make a cute couple; however in CANON they do NOT exist

I agree that Dan and Emma have good onscreen chemistry, but Dan and Emma have said in numerous interviews that they are just like brother and sister, Emma once said in an interview that Dan and Rupert were like her brothers. I see it as a similar realationship to what Hermione and Harry have in the book, platonic, but very good friends. Also, even the actors say its Ron and Hermione also, but most importantly, JKR did too. But I think that by HBP, there will be more leading up to the Harry and Ginny rommance, so that non-readers can get a peek into what is coming.

I think it may have also been to show just how important it is that Harry embraces all the love he can get. Ignoring it will weaken him, while if he accepts all of it, and all the support he can get, that trumps any fancy spells or minions Voldemort has. We've seen the negative effects denied or unrequited love can have, I think the Remus/Tonks and Merope/Tom storylines have some purpose yet. I agree that being with Ron and Hermione will make him way stronger than if he went alone, but what he has with Ginny is a different kind of love, one he needs just as much as that of his friends and family (I pretty much consider the Weasleys his family).

I agree on this. It will be interesting to see if the theory about unrequited love/ loss of powers applies to Harry in book 7. It may, to a extreme, but I don't see it being as bad as what Tonks went through, or Merope. Those were rare, but realistic, cases nonetheless. And did Merope even originally have power? Wasn't she a squib? I do think that Ron and Hermione's realationship might have an impact on Harry's decison with Ginny.

But I am still sticking to my instinct, and if they become a couple by book 7's end, it will be after the defeat of Voldemort, but that is just my gut feeling. I think the prophecy is putting alot of weight either unintentionally or intentionally. Harry doesn't feel like he can have a normal life, he even tells this to Ginny that the few weeks he had with her was like living out of somebody else's life, this statement signaled to me that he was sort of living his life by the prophecy, as a marked man. Although, as Dumbledore has said before, not to be too much store in the prophecy, I actually think that Harry is, and I think that is part of the reason he isn't offically dating Ginny anymore.

I agree that Dan and Emma have good onscreen chemistry, but Dan and Emma have said in numerous interviews that they are just like brother and sister, Emma once said in an interview that Dan and Rupert were like her brothers. I see it as a similar realationship to what Hermione and Harry have in the book, platonic, but very good friends. Also, even the actors say its Ron and Hermione also, but most importantly, JKR did too. But I think that by HBP, there will be more leading up to the Harry and Ginny rommance, so that non-readers can get a peek into what is coming.
Actually, I think this onscreen chemistry thing is not necessarily accurate and may be almost entirely a misconception. I like Dan and Emma and I do think they work very well onscreen together but in my opinion this is people seeing two people on screen (one male, one female) working well together and creating a romance. For e.g. I think Rupert and Dan have good onscreen chemistry but because they are boys not many people are saying this. In my opinion, before PoA, I don't think anyone was talking about onscreen chemistry (could be wrong but they look so much like little babies in the first 2 movies that all I have to say to those people that did is "ew"). However, since they got to look more grown up and like actual teenagers in PoA which happens to be the movie where Dan and Emma had a lot more onscreen time than Emma Rupert and had a lot of working together, I think that's where all this "onscreen chemistry" thing started. Plus for some reason, since Dan is the main guy and Emma is the main girl (even more so in the movie 3) than in the book, it just seemed alright to put them together. Also, Ron and Hermione are currently in denial of their feelings so they are supposed to be awkward around each other ala the hug in the CoS movie. I have to say that I do wonder if her great performance in PoA and the sudden talk of onscreen chemistry with Dan caused most of her Harry and Hermione alone moments to come off so stiff in GoF (my opinion). I can't be the only person who thought the bridge moment was very stiff? On the other hand, I know I'm not the only person who found the onscreen chemistry between Rupert and Emma during the Yule ball scene sizzling. I've read a lot of boards that state that their screen chemistry was amazing during that scene and someone wrote that the romance between Ron and Hermione promises to be a hot and tempestuous one (the person clearly had not read the book - they don't know the half :lol: )

So, um... Harry and Ginny, where to from here, huh - alive and married with 12 children and countless grandchildren I hope.

Cheers :tu:

I don't think that Voldermont knows that Malfoy gave Ginny the Diary, or I think that Malfoy would of been killed by Voldermont already.
That's a possibility though I thought it was at least implied in the books that the diary was one of the reasons that Voldemort was displeased with Lucius. I'm between re reads at the moment so I'll have to look into it another time.

I think that Voldermont will find out about Ginny because Harry can not close his mind, and Harry still has feelings for Ginny.
We know that Harry can't close his mind against Voldemort but I do suspect that since the Ministry battle in Order of the Phoenix Voldemort has been shutting off the connection to Harry for a more significant reason than merely to prevent him gaining knowledge of his plans. I suspect that Harry's emotional nature, particularly his love in all of it's forms, is actually forcing Voldemort to defend against him. I think what he felt in Harry's mind at that juncture has him really rattled.

i agree, in real life they would make a cute couple; however in CANON they do NOT exist

I would submit that after the movie HBP comes out people will be asking Dan if he is dating Bonnie Wright.

I definitely agree with this, although it was clear at the end of HBP that leaving each other was the last thing either of them wanted to do. Harry mentions that Voldemort kidnapped her just because she was his bast mate's sister. What if he foresaw Ginny and Harry being together? Emotion is definitely one of Harry's greatest weaknesses, and dear old Voldy knows that from being in Harry's head. Your thoughts?Voldemort kidnapped Ginny, because she happened to stand between him and Harry (like Cedric), it was mere coincidence that Harry gave her his textbooks with the diary inside. Thus Voldy couldn't forseen H/G, but he got to know her feeling very well (I love the idea of the Dark Lord being one of the first H/G shippers :D ).

True, and even if, for the sake of arguement, if Harry didn't have feelings for Ginny rommantially anymore, Ginny would still be a target because she is a Weasley, with her family being known of blood traitors and Order memebers, so in retrospect, it wouldn't matter either way, but I still think Harry and Ginny broke it off for a reason---true it was noble, but I think there was also a reason too, but I think I'll be waiting a little less than two years to find out the answer.I think so too. I mean, it's obvious Harry have that "saving people thing" and he didn't want to put Ginny in more danger that she already is, but the thing is, HBP!Harry surprised me, because this time his emotions were leading him always in the right direction - concerning Malfoy, his real friends, the right girl, being Dumbledore's man, always choosing the right thing to do and taking the right steps to achieve his goal, so, even thought the parting was another example of foolish nobility, maybe this time he really knew what he was doing. It seems strange to me, after whole HBP in the most important moment in the series jet, making Harry do the same mistake that killed Sirius... or maybe his hero complex is worse than I think.

No!!!
There's definitely no future between Ginny and Harry No offense meant okay?
Well im not saying this because i am a Harry/Hermione Shipper but i based it on soooo many instances and well Rowlings Interviews she may have not directly said that its harry and ginny or hermione but she has clues... yeah clues that makes me believe its hermione and harry... And the biased movies, of course a movie director is not the only one reponsible for choosing scenes from the book Rowling is part of it, take a closer look of Harry and Hermiones intimate scenes in the four movies.... isnt it a bit obvious? Well about Ron.. I think its nothing, Hermione never realy admitted she likes ron Neither does in action, they fight... yeah.. but it doesnt mean they have feelings.... while in Hermiones attention for Harry ... Its a bit too obvious..I may be an exaggerated fan But.... We'll see....Well, I loved it when Hermione told Harry about Krum getting physical and they both grinned! Man, what a deviation. :D Actually I think even Harry and Cedric had more chemistry than Harry and Hermione amd no, I don't even like slash.

I think the prophecy is putting alot of weight either unintentionally or intentionally. Harry doesn't feel like he can have a normal life, he even tells this to Ginny that the few weeks he had with her was like living out of somebody else's life, this statement signaled to me that he was sort of living his life by the prophecy, as a marked man. Although, as Dumbledore has said before, not to be too much store in the prophecy, I actually think that Harry is, and I think that is part of the reason he isn't offically dating Ginny anymore.Well, I think that after witnessing the last piece of memory Dumbledore explained Harry his own attitude towards the prophecy and from that moment, Harry does not consider himself "marked man" anymore. I mean, all his life before and especially before he started dating Ginny, was a hell. It was because things he had no power over: cruel adults making his childhood miserable, fate sentencing him to death or being a murderer... All of it is a history now. Harry wants to follow his parents anyway and there isn't anyone who could use him in any way (Scrimgoeur). Harry freaking wants to kill Voldemort. There are just some sacrifices he has to make to succeed (or that's what he thinks).

I think telling Ginny how happy he was with her was his way to say thank you and I love you. But she did know better than anyone how much he actually wants to go. I think that this parting scene showed him exactly why he wants to be with Ginny, how perfect she is fot the guy like him. You know, helping him to go, always waiting and stuff.

I think I could write a 50 pages long essay on this parting scene. Don't make me do that :p

That's a possibility though I thought it was at least implied in the books that the diary was one of the reasons that Voldemort was displeased with Lucius. I'm between re reads at the moment so I'll have to look into it another time.I rmember something like that too and I have no idea where it could be in the book. That must've been Dumbledore telling Harry. Or maybe we've just read the same online theory...

I would submit that after the movie HBP comes out people will be asking Dan if he is dating Bonnie Wright.*facepalm* You may be right, you know.

But seriously, I don't think so. When HBP!movie comes out, about 2008-2009, all the actors, including youngest- Bonnie, will be old enough to be considered (young) adult actors and while kid actors are asked about which animals on set they liked best, which scene was most fun to do and what do you think about your fellow actors in reality, nobody askes Mark Williams what he feels towards Julie Walters. Plus, by this time Dan will surely pick one of his fangirls as a girlfriend. Second plus, Cuaron's movie was abut hormones, so it was natural for reporters to highline what is between the actors. Even after GoF there wasn't almost any interview about Dan/Emma. Lol, by the way, I expect it will make H/Hr shippers think that the only chemistry ever existed on Potter set was the one between Dan and Emma, but unfortunately it was brutally killed by the Potter books (really, I've read such things many times).

If I had just seen the movies before reading the books I think that Harry and Hermione would be my ship, but the books don't support Harry and Hermione getting together. To be honest I don't understand why people want Harry and Hermioneto date, I see them as totaly wrong for each other.

If I had just seen the movies before reading the books I think that Harry and Hermione would be my ship, but the books don't support Harry and Hermione getting together. To be honest I don't understand why people want Harry and Hermioneto date, I see them as totaly wrong for each other.I see a very big love between Harry and Hermione..but it's like brother and sister. If the books were from Ron's or Ginny's point of view we would see the same kind of thing between them I guess. I hope that Harry 'gets the girl' in the end but I have a terrible feeling that Ginny will do 'a Lily'. Meaning she will put herself in the way of Voldy and die saving Harry. :no: So I don't see much of a future for them.... hope I'm proved wrong though..

If I had just seen the movies before reading the books I think that Harry and Hermione would be my ship, but the books don't support Harry and Hermione getting together. To be honest I don't understand why people want Harry and Hermioneto date, I see them as totaly wrong for each other.

I have a hard time finding proofs Harry and Hermione belong together in the books, I mean, it's always been so obvious to me that Harry belongs with Ginny and Ron with Hermione that any other ship always takes me by surprise...

I have been a huge Harry and Ginny shipper, so I just want them to be alive in the end, get married, and have kids.

I would submit that after the movie HBP comes out people will be asking Dan if he is dating Bonnie Wright.
maybe already after the fifth film...

But hey will Bonne Wright continue beeing Ginny in the nest film? (Do anyone know?)

maybe already after the fifth film...

But hey will Bonne Wright continue beeing Ginny in the nest film? (Do anyone know?)
Yep, she's confirmed for OotP :)

I like Bonnie Wright as Ginny, she is so pretty.

Yep, she's confirmed for OotP :)
ok good. i hope she will continue in HBP-film also. and I would hate if dan wouldn't be harry 'til the last film.

I would hope that it doesn't end up with Ginny sacrificing herself for Harry and Harry living on without her. I think it would be better if they both died in that case. Better still would be both of them surviving.

Ginny is already in danger of being killed as part of the "blood traitor" Weasley family. As Harry's girlfriend she would be in danger of being kidnapped by the Death Eaters to be used as a hostage against Harry. In a strange twist of fate, Voldemort is less likely to want Ginny killed if she was Harry's girlfriend than if she was not.

Voldemort kidnapped Ginny, because she happened to stand between him and Harry (like Cedric), it was mere coincidence that Harry gave her his textbooks with the diary inside. Thus Voldy couldn't forseen H/G, but he got to know her feeling very well (I love the idea of the Dark Lord being one of the first H/G shippers :D ). Actually, the Diary was intended for Ginny and that was Lucius's plan all along in order to try and discredit Arthur and his Muggle protection act. "And imagine," Dumbledore went on, "what might have happened then...The Weasleys are one of our most prominent pure-blood families. Imagine the effect on Arthur Weasley and his Muggle Protection Act, if his own daughter was discovered attacking and killing Muggle-borns. . . . Very fortunate the diary was discovered, and Riddle's memories wiped from it. Who knows what the consequences might have been otherwise. . . .I agree with you that's it's highly unlikely that Tom Riddle somehow foresaw Harry/Ginny. I definitely do not think he did. He just learnt from Ginny that she could lure Harry into the Chamber by using her as bait because Ginny had written so much about Harry and his personality/character.
Cheers :tu:

I don't think that Voldermont knows about Harry and Ginny, yet. Either Malfoy or Snape, if he is really bad, they will tell him, or Voldermont will find out about Harry's feelings since he can not close his mind. I just want Harry and Ginny to live happily ever after.

I don't think that Voldermont knows about Harry and Ginny, yet. Either Malfoy or Snape, if he is really bad, they will tell him, or Voldermont will find out about Harry's feelings since he can not close his mind. I just want Harry and Ginny to live happily ever after.

Well even if Malfoy and Snape are good, there are many Death Eater's kids at Hogwarts, so they will probably tell their parents and then their parents will tell Voldemort. Then Voldemort would get suspicous about Draco and Snape and ask them why they didn't tell him. I think that Malfoy's and Snape's only hope is to tell Voldemort about Ginny :(

i've said it already and i'll say it again there's no future with ginny and harry..

Hermione had come in for her fair share of unpleasantness too, but she hadn't yet started yelling at innocent bystanders; in fact, Harry was full of admiration for the way she was handling the situation.

"Stunningly pretty? Her?" Pansy Parkinson had shrieked the first time she had come face-to-face with Hermione after Rita's article had appeared. "What was she judging against - a chipmunk?"

"Ignore it," Hermione said in a dignified voice, holding her head in the air and stalking past the s******ing Slytherin girls as though she couldn't hear them. "Just ignore it, Harry."

But Harry couldn't ignore it.


look harry cares for hermiones feelings so much rather than to rons... and he would most likely chose to listen to hermione than ron...
well as to ginny
she's gonna be just like cho chang.... will come and pass..


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Harry loves Hermione like a sister, and it is totaly differnt from the fellings he has for Ginny. JKR said that Ginny is Harry's ideal girl, they are perfect for each other. Ginny is not going to be like Cho, Cho was and is so wrong for Harry. I can not imagine Harry with anybody else but Ginny. If they both live they most likely will get married and have kids.

i've said it already and i'll say it again there's no future with ginny and harry..


look harry cares for hermiones feelings so much rather than to rons... and he would most likely chose to listen to hermione than ron...
well as to ginny
she's gonna be just like cho chang.... will come and pass..

i've said it already and i'll say it again there's no future with ginny and harry..


look harry cares for hermiones feelings so much rather than to rons... and he would most likely chose to listen to hermione than ron...
well as to ginny
she's gonna be just like cho chang.... will come and pass..


i've said it already and i'll say it again there's no future with ginny and harry..


look harry cares for hermiones feelings so much rather than to rons... and he would most likely chose to listen to hermione than ron...
well as to ginny
she's gonna be just like cho chang.... will come and pass..

But the quote you provided, telling Harry couldn't ignore those comments about Hermione, just says that she is a great friend to him. You don't have to be rommantically in love with somebody in order to want to defend them, and get offended when people talk bad about them.

Harry cares for both Hermione and Ginny, but in different ways, but on the most part, they are both very important to Harry.

i've said it already and i'll say it again there's no future with ginny and harry..


look harry cares for hermiones feelings so much rather than to rons... and he would most likely chose to listen to hermione than ron...
well as to ginny
she's gonna be just like cho chang.... will come and pass..


Come on, that's just because Harry's sick of having everyone around him ridiculed by the Slytherins and by everyone, he's sick of everyone judging him and his every moves all the time. The roots of Harry and Ginny's relationship are much more deeper than Cho/Harry!

look harry cares for hermiones feelings so much rather than to rons... and he would most likely chose to listen to hermione than ron...
well as to ginny
she's gonna be just like cho chang.... will come and pass..

I want to know where in that passage was any evidence that Harry cares more about Hermione than he cares about Ron. That passage was from the fourth book, shortly after Rita Skeeter published her H/Hr article. Ron had nothing to be insulted about then. I'm not sure how you justify the statement
look harry cares for hermiones feelings so much rather than to rons
JKR has said in interviews that "Harry's and Hermione's relationship is completely platonic" and "Hermione is the closest thing to a sister that Harry has."

Why are we arguing with the poster who seems more interested in posting pictures than discussing the topic.

I would hope that it doesn't end up with Ginny sacrificing herself for Harry and Harry living on without her. I think it would be better if they both died in that case. Better still would be both of them surviving.

Ginny is already in danger of being killed as part of the "blood traitor" Weasley family. As Harry's girlfriend she would be in danger of being kidnapped by the Death Eaters to be used as a hostage against Harry. In a strange twist of fate, Voldemort is less likely to want Ginny killed if she was Harry's girlfriend than if she was not. I agree that Ginny is in danger and it was pointless for Harry to break up with her in order to protect her. Snape is good (in my opinion) so I think he will help to keep Harry and Ginny's relationship on the down low or at least down play it's seriousness to Voldemort. She's still in mortal peril for being a blood traitor though.

I agree that Harry pushing Ginny away was a big mistake. I think he needs her.

Well, I think that after witnessing the last piece of memory Dumbledore explained Harry his own attitude towards the prophecy and from that moment, Harry does not consider himself "marked man" anymore. I mean, all his life before and especially before he started dating Ginny, was a hell. It was because things he had no power over: cruel adults making his childhood miserable, fate sentencing him to death or being a murderer... All of it is a history now. Harry wants to follow his parents anyway and there isn't anyone who could use him in any way (Scrimgoeur). Harry freaking wants to kill Voldemort. There are just some sacrifices he has to make to succeed (or that's what he thinks).
I think telling Ginny how happy he was with her was his way to say thank you and I love you. But she did know better than anyone how much he actually wants to go. I think that this parting scene showed him exactly why he wants to be with Ginny, how perfect she is fot the guy like him. You know, helping him to go, always waiting and stuff.

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I as well think that Harry's statement to Ginny about how she made him feel like he was living in somebody else's life was like a thank you also. Although I to firmly believe that he would kill Voldemort and such even if there wasn't a prophecy, I think the prophecy sort of sums up Harry's sacrifices, such as not being with Ginny, by saying one cannot live while the other survies. Although I don't think Ginny didn't make Harry the happiest he has ever been in his life, she surely made it happier in the dark times of the wizarding world at war, and Harry didn't get to enjoy the realationship as long as he would have wanted to because of Harry needing to find the horcruxes and to protect her, however when he said we could have had months, I don't think that is true to the fullest degree, becuase they both needed to mature a bit before they found each other, like JKR said, they both went through journeys, and they were connected in HBP.

look harry cares for hermiones feelings so much rather than to rons... and he would most likely chose to listen to hermione than ron...
well as to ginny
she's gonna be just like cho chang.... will come and pass..

Ginny is Harry's ideal girl and JKR had shown it to us in the books and she had confirmed it herself. As for Hermione, there's no future regarding a romantic relationship between her and Harry because there never was to begin with. Whatever people thought were clues leading to H/Hr were misinterpretation of the text because Hermione had proved numerous times that she's in love with love, there have been clues spread throughout the books leading to H/G. There are reasons why the forums don't allow shipping debates anymore and one of the main ones is that JKR had confirmed the ships herself.

And as for Ginny being another Cho Chang in his life, that is not exactly possible because she's the perfect girl for Harry. Harry is not looking anywhere else because he broke up with her because he adores her and didn't want to see her to get hurt. They'll get back possibly in the middle of the book or the end and they will share a happy life together.

Originally Posted by NaomiKenrick
look harry cares for hermiones feelings so much rather than to rons... and he would most likely chose to listen to hermione than ron...
well as to ginny
she's gonna be just like cho chang.... will come and pass..

What makes you think that? Him and Ron were friends first, Ron was the thing Harry would most miss, Harry missed him and even said how Hermione wasn't as fun to be with during their argument in book four... the list goes on.

And he listens to them equally... whoever has the best advice he takes it.

And FYI, if Ginny were like Cho Chang she'd had been gone by now. Her character has been built up way to much to just POOF! Vanish. And if she did disappear, I assure you Harry would not go to Hermione. She's taken. *wink wink*

I think that Hermione is a really good friend for Harry and will be able to help Harry, so will Ginny but in a different way then Hermione will. Harry loves both of them in completly differnt ways.

look harry cares for hermiones feelings so much rather than to rons... and he would most likely chose to listen to hermione than ron...
well as to ginny
she's gonna be just like cho chang.... will come and pass..
Yes, of course Harry cares for Hermione's feelings...because she's one of his best friends, as is Ron, and he loves both of them very much. But Harry is not going to fall in love with Hermione, nor she with him. Rowling has ended this debate. The romantic pairings are R/Hr and H/G, and as far as I'm concerned, that is carved in stone.

If Harry & Ginny both survive Book 7, then they will be together again, for the long haul. She never really gave up on her love for him, and he finally saw her for the strong, loyal and loving girl that she is. She makes him happier than he can remember being. She is his "best source of comfort".

That's all I need to know. :)

I agree that Harry pushing Ginny away was a big mistake. I think he needs her.


right. i totally agree with you scd. in the first place, the only thing that harry has and is able to do that voldy doesn't have and can't do is love and to love. pushing away ginny will only torture him (his feelings i mean).

ginny will play a big part in the last book.

ginny will play a big part in the last book. - I think Ginny will be important (even fundamentally so) but I don't think she will play a large part.

- Other characters are going to play much larger roles and huge revelations will be made in the final book.

I agree. I know Harry's reason was to try his hardest to protect Ginny, but what I meant is that there has to be a reason that the breakup was shown and put into HBP, even though it may be part of the reason, I don't believe personally that the breakup scene was put into HBP just to show how foolish and irrational Harry's decisons can sometimes be. I still don't think he will be blocking out or denying love during his horcrux search, especially since he will be with the trio, whom he has a special bond with. I wonder how far away Voldemort needs to be to see inside Harry's thoughts, or perhaps, if Snape was bad, he would have personally told Voldemort about Harry Potter's new girlfriend, but I wonder how much of an impact that would have on Voldemort, and if he would even care...about Harry Potter's girlfriend, but he may have intrest in that realationship or ex-realationship if Voldemort knows about Ginny and the diary.
Hi all, Your right about this! I was thinking that JKR may have had them part ways because she could show how powerful Harry was and all that he was able to do now that he will be of age, and on his own. Also she can make a great story with Ginny's gifts and how they get back together. Cindysuewho :love:

I think that Hermione is a really good friend for Harry and will be able to help Harry, so will Ginny but in a different way then Hermione will. Harry loves both of them in completly differnt ways.
Exactly the point I've been trying to make for a month!

The first time I read the part when Harry broke up with Ginny i thought that it was cute that he was trying to save her life but he is actually putting her in more danger I think because she is already sort of a target already with the whole being a Weasly and being close to Dumbledore and she was already attacked by Voldly before.
So with or with out Harry she's a target she might be more of a target with him but it doesn't really make that much of a difference.

But if she and Harry got back togther then he would be around her more often so if Voldemort tried to get at her Harry could protect her. so she is in more danger then. I'm sure she knows how to protect herself but the only person who I think has a chance of winning a fight against Lord Voldy is Harry and was Dumbldore.

- I think Ginny will be important (even fundamentally so) but I don't think she will play a large part.

- Other characters are going to play much larger roles and huge revelations will be made in the final book.

I agree. I think Ginny is very needed, she is Harry's promise of a new (and happy) life once Voldy is out of the way. It would not surprise me if at the end of the books Harry is very close to death and chooses to live because of a mix of Ginny, Ron, Hermione, and the rest of the people he loves. I also think that Ginny will be one of the ways that Rowlings lightens up what will probably be a very dark book.

But I doubt that she'll be on the Horcrux quest or play a large (in terms of page space) part in the last book. IMHO at least. :)

Ginny may not go look for the Horcruxes with Harry, Ron, and Hermione but I think she will help Harry's love grow, which is key for killing Voldermont.

I'm a bit iffy about whether or not Ginny will play a large part in book 7. There are people like Snape, possibly Slughorn and just loads of other people that may have to play a role. There is so much to resolve that unless Ginny is extremely important to the plot, I don't think she'll be in the book more than she was in HBP, which wasn't that much.

Cheers :tu:

Ginny's never played a huge role in the books instead she is ushered in and out with small mentions of her througout the books. That will probably be the same for the 7th book. I doubt there will be enough time for there to be a whole story about Ginny and Harry getting back together throughout the book. Instead I think there will just be a point somewhere in the book where Harry realizes that he loves Ginny and they get back together again. I don't know when in the book this would happen but I'm leading towards near the end so that they will be together for when the final battle takes place and Ginny can provide a reason for Harry to live.

I don't know how much Ginny will be in the 7th book, but I think she will be important for Harry to help him have more love to help him destroy Voldermont. For me that is the role that she will play.

I hope Ginny and Harry continue to get their snog on. I suspect that Ginny is not going to let Harry get away with his "noble/heroic" act of pushing her away and as a smart girl I'm sure she'll point out to him that there is nothing Voldemort would like more than for Harry to push away all those he loves. Harry will always be at a disadvantage against Voldemort because the Dark Lord is a killer and Harry (so far) is not. However, the one huge advantage Harry has is the capacity to love which Voldemort does not have. Therefore, it will be more important than ever that Harry not cut himself off from love. Ginny will either say that or just simply put a bat bogey hex on Harry.

Hi all, Well I must say that I do not agree with some of you about how little time Ginny will play in book 7. I fell that JKR has been working Ginny into the story for along time now. And we will see Ginny play her largest part to date. JKR has said that we will see more of Ginny and her gifts. Also JKR says, she can't talk about the significance of the cats in the series because there's something important to that. Then she also says, Harry might get a different pet. And in other interviews she is asked, is there something more to the cats appearing in the books than first meets the eye? JKR says, Ooooo, another good question. Lets see what can I tell you without giving anything away---em---no, can't do it sorry. This is just part of what makes me feel that Ginny will be a Animagus a cat. And then there is the 7th child of the.......7th etc.. And how gifted she is. I just do not see why JKR would biuld Ginny up so much if she is not going to put Ginny in a large part of the book. I know that she "Ginny" will not be in all of it, but like I said I do not agree that she will have a small part. Also theres the love of H/G that will also play a big part. Will Harry be able to do his best when not with the one he loves? Tonks was falling apart when she could not be with Lupin and then there was what Dumbledore told Harry about LV's mom, because she could not be with who she loved she could not do magic.:love:

I hope Ginny and Harry continue to get their snog on.

Hah never heard that one before!

The cat thing is a good point, Ginny is often described as catlike. Maybe she could help Harry as a cat, or she could go along without him knowing?

Hi all, Well I must say that I do not agree with some of you about how little time Ginny will play in book 7. I fell that JKR has been working Ginny into the story for along time now. And we will see Ginny play her largest part to date. JKR has said that we will see more of Ginny and her gifts. Also JKR says, she can't talk about the significance of the cats in the series because there's something important to that. Then she also says, Harry might get a different pet. And in other interviews she is asked, is there something more to the cats appearing in the books than first meets the eye? JKR says, Ooooo, another good question. Lets see what can I tell you without giving anything away---em---no, can't do it sorry. This is just part of what makes me feel that Ginny will be a Animagus a cat. And then there is the 7th child of the.......7th etc.. And how gifted she is. I just do not see why JKR would biuld Ginny up so much if she is not going to put Ginny in a large part of the book. I know that she "Ginny" will not be in all of it, but like I said I do not agree that she will have a small part. Also theres the love of H/G that will also play a big part. Will Harry be able to do his best when not with the one he loves? Tonks was falling apart when she could not be with Lupin and then there was what Dumbledore told Harry about LV's mom, because she could not be with who she loved she could not do magic.:love:

Wow I've never come across that interview where JKR talked (more like didn't) about the cats. Can you provide the link please? Thanks! :) Ginny's role, however small or large it may be, will have some sort of impact on the Trio's mission and if JKR did refuse to answer the cats question, it's very possible that Ginny might be an Animagus since she had been referred to a cat quite a number of times. And Harry's powers being affected after he broke up with Ginny is very possible as well based on the situations provided in HBP about how a person's powers are weakened when they're deprived of love. Harry, who has the love of his best friends, will eventually realize that he also needs Ginny's love to be strong and continue fighting.

Hai to all,
I don't think H/G will ever happen. It is over and they parted. Ginny had just a hero worship with Harry nothing more than that. Their relationship is very swallow. They don't have any deeper feelings for each other. Their relationship is shortlived and over now. So i think they don't end up together in the next book.

Okay, I haven't read all of the previous responses, but I do agree that Ginny has been described as a very powerful witch for a reason. Whenever she is described in the books, Ron and other classmates always say that she is not only very gifted, but Ginny has a mean streak to her. She is not one to just sit back and let others tell her what she can and can't do. She stood up to Harry in OOTP, telling him point blank that she is the only person who can relate to being possessed by Voldemort. She also insisted on coming with him to the Ministry of Magic. I think she knew that Harry needed time at the end of HBP, but it seems like she gave Harry up just a little bit too easily for her character. She is a fighter, and I think that now that she has finally gotten the attention she has always wanted from Harry, she isn't going to give that up without a fight.

I don't think there would have been so much emphasis on Ginny throughout the books (she was pretty central to the plot of book 2; she is regularly described as being powerfull, which makes her significant, really; she shares features with Lily, etc.) if her role in book 6 would turn out to be all there is to it.
I'm sure she will be significant in book 7. This, however, does not automatically mean that Harry and Ginny will live happily ever after. Their love might be important, but that's no guarantee for a happy end.

Hai to all,
I don't think H/G will ever happen. It is over and they parted. Ginny had just a hero worship with Harry nothing more than that. Their relationship is very swallow. They don't have any deeper feelings for each other. Their relationship is shortlived and over now. So i think they don't end up together in the next book.

Their relationship was never about hero worshipping. Harry had already been through a shallow and meaningless relationship when he dated Cho as opposed to Ginny, with whom he was actually happy, he considered her as one of his best sources of comfort, they had a good time together and they're perfect for each other.

And their relationship can't be over because Harry will survive and be happy and have something which he never did: a large, noisy family with his best friends by his side, and Ginny's the only one who can provide that.

Their relationship was never about hero worshipping. Harry had already been through a shallow and meaningless relationship when he dated Cho as opposed to Ginny, with whom he was actually happy, he considered her as one of his best sources of comfort, they had a good time together and they're perfect for each other.

And their relationship can't be over because Harry will survive and be happy and have something which he never did: a large, noisy family with his best friends by his side, and Ginny's the only one who can provide that.

^
I agree with PotionA.

You talk about sallow, what are you comparing their relationship with? The deep blue sea?
If you look at the other relationship Harry had with Cho, that was shallow. There was only attraction, and the two didn't even know each other vesr well. Whereas Ginny and Harry know each other since Second Year, and they've gotten closer over the years. There's more than the basic attraction in their relationship. And the build up to they coupling in the 6th book, as slow as it may be, was interesting, and quite funny at parts too.

Hai to all,
I think Ginny is liking Harry for his heroism. That is not the basic thing for a long lasting relationship. Does she know anything about Harry's fate? (the prophecy (sp) thing). Their relationship is so sudden and inspite of knowing Ginny is having hero worship thing with him, Harry did not resiprocate her in all the years. And their parting is also less passion and Ginny told that she already knew that will happen and she even critising him (any stupid noble reason? I don't remember the exact words by her ) when he told that they have to part.
Even JKR told in the interview that she always know that Harry and Ginny will come together in book 6 and then parted. So I think they will not end up together.

Hai to all,
I think Ginny is liking Harry for his heroism. That is not the basic thing for a long lasting relationship. Does she know anything about Harry's fate? (the prophecy (sp) thing). Their relationship is so sudden and inspite of knowing Ginny is having hero worship thing with him, Harry did not resiprocate her in all the years. And their parting is also less passion and Ginny told that she already knew that will happen and she even critising him (any stupid noble reason? I don't remember the exact words by her ) when he told that they have to part.
Even JKR told in the interview that she always know that Harry and Ginny will come together in book 6 and then parted. So I think they will not end up together. That's a fair enough point :)

I personally think she got over her hero worshipping around book 4, actually got to know Harry (and vice versa ), got on with her own life and experiances (and again, vice versa) and then in book 6 a more mature Ginny (and Harry) fell in love. No worshipping at all. :)

I like your train of thought glowing_ice.....but so far I don't buy into the Harry as a Horcrux theory, mostly cause I just don't like the idea. :no:
But seriously, if this were true, and Harry did have a piece of Voldemort's soul in him, coulnd't we assume that it would affect him somehow? I mean, Ginny's possession by a seventh of Voldie's soul DEFINITELY affected her. Harry though, has remained pure of heart and intention, wouldn't this be difficult to do while hosting 1/7th of Voldemort?

Edited to reply to raid: Personally, I think that there will be a more happy than sad ending, does that make sense? I think JK Rowling sees it as very important to show horrible things happening and people losing loved ones, but I also think she intends to say that at the end of the day good triumphs. It is for this reason that I think Harry and Ginny will both survive;because life after a horrible war continues, forever shaped by the past but still resolutely trudges forward for all the right reasons. In book 7, I think that Harry and Ginny might have less time together, but that the times they are together will really significant and more emotional than in book 6.

Thats not a good enough reason for me...that there HAS to be a happy ending. There would be a sense of....well a proper ending if Harry does have to give up his life to save those who mean so much to him, which is a sacrifice that Voldemort would never give, believing himself to be above everyone and everything else. But then for me the whole Harry and Ginny romance seemed...not contrived but...well it didn't feel entirely right to me, although i do think Ginny is more suited to Harry then anyone else we've seen so far.

Wow I've never come across that interview where JKR talked (more like didn't) about the cats. Can you provide the link please? Thanks! Ginny's role, however small or large it may be, will have some sort of impact on the Trio's mission and if JKR did refuse to answer the cats question, it's very possible that Ginny might be an Animagus since she had been referred to a cat quite a number of times. And Harry's powers being affected after he broke up with Ginny is very possible as well based on the situations provided in HBP about how a person's powers are weakened when they're deprived of love. Harry, who has the love of his best friends, will eventually realize that he also needs Ginny's love to be strong and continue fighting.Your wish is my command.

Crookshanks

I am not overly fond of cats. Like Hagrid, I am allergic to them and much prefer dogs. However, there was an exception. When I was working in London in the late 1980s I used to eat my lunch in a nearby square on sunny days and a large, fluffy ginger cat that looked as though it had run face-first into a wall used to prowl around the sunbathers there; I assume it lived in a nearby house. I didn't ever get close enough to give myself an asthma attack, but I became distantly fond of this cat, which prowled among the humans around it looking disdainful and refusing to be stroked. When I decided to give Hermione an unusually intelligent cat I gave him the appearance of this haughty animal, with the slightly unfair addition of bandy legs.

I'm a bit iffy about whether or not Ginny will play a large part in book 7. There are people like Snape, possibly Slughorn and just loads of other people that may have to play a role. There is so much to resolve that unless Ginny is extremely important to the plot, I don't think she'll be in the book more than she was in HBP, which wasn't that much.

Cheers :tu:
Hmm, I don't know. While her primary role, that of Harry's love interest, is now unambiguously established and that aspect of the story will now be taking a back seat to the main event, that is the battle to take down Voldemort, we may well yet see Ginny in a frontline role. I suspect this is so because of the proactive character that Jo has created for her as well as comments that she made in that interview.
JKR: The backstory with Ginny was, she was the first girl to arrive in the Weasley family in generations, but there's that old tradition of the seventh daughter of a seventh daughter and a seventh son of a seventh son, so that's why she's the seventh, because she is a gifted witch. I think you get hints of that, because she does some pretty impressive stuff here and there, and you'll see that again.
Highlites mine.

To me that implies we haven't seen the last of Ginny in an active role in the forthcoming battle. That and I also think we haven't fully explored the events that occurred to and around her with Riddle in the Chamber, events which only she and maybe to a small extent Harry, is currently aware of.

Hi all, Well I must say that I do not agree with some of you about how little time Ginny will play in book 7. I fell that JKR has been working Ginny into the story for along time now. And we will see Ginny play her largest part to date. JKR has said that we will see more of Ginny and her gifts.
That's it exactly, why would Jo build up Ginny's character in such a way just to have her sit at home (or in school) waiting for him.

Also JKR says, she can't talk about the significance of the cats in the series because there's something important to that. Then she also says, Harry might get a different pet. And in other interviews she is asked, is there something more to the cats appearing in the books than first meets the eye? JKR says, Ooooo, another good question. Lets see what can I tell you without giving anything away---em---no, can't do it sorry. This is just part of what makes me feel that Ginny will be a Animagus a cat.
Hmm, like PotionA I can't recall seeing those comments from her though the feline references have been made from time to time in the books, particularly the last two.

And then there is the 7th child of the.......7th etc.. And how gifted she is. I just do not see why JKR would biuld Ginny up so much if she is not going to put Ginny in a large part of the book. I know that she "Ginny" will not be in all of it, but like I said I do not agree that she will have a small part. Also theres the love of H/G that will also play a big part. Will Harry be able to do his best when not with the one he loves? Tonks was falling apart when she could not be with Lupin and then there was what Dumbledore told Harry about LV's mom, because she could not be with who she loved she could not do magic.:love:
I'm also inclined to think the Remus / Tonks subplot was included as a piece of forshadowing, particularly Tonks' difficulties with her skills when her love was unrequited. I think this may well play out with Harry and we'll likely see him struggle with his own skills early on in the piece as his 'noble' seperation from Ginny will make him miserable.

Your wish is my command.

Crookshanks

I am not overly fond of cats. Like Hagrid, I am allergic to them and much prefer dogs. However, there was an exception. When I was working in London in the late 1980s I used to eat my lunch in a nearby square on sunny days and a large, fluffy ginger cat that looked as though it had run face-first into a wall used to prowl around the sunbathers there; I assume it lived in a nearby house. I didn't ever get close enough to give myself an asthma attack, but I became distantly fond of this cat, which prowled among the humans around it looking disdainful and refusing to be stroked. When I decided to give Hermione an unusually intelligent cat I gave him the appearance of this haughty animal, with the slightly unfair addition of bandy legs.
Cheers for that. I'd already seen that quote and I always figured it was specifically concerned with Crookshanks only.

Actually, completely off the topic for a moment, has anyone else noticed the possible unintentional pun in Crookshanks' name? Shanks is old time British slang for legs (the English king in the days of William Wallace as anyone who's seen the movie Braveheart would know was known as Edward Longshanks). Could it be that the bandy legged cat was named for his Crooked Shanks? :eyebrows:

Now back to your regular programming. :D

Ginny and Harry are in love and they both know it, the thing is that he is afraid of losing her just like he's lost so many ppl he loved, but there's another part of him that needs to be with her, look at thiss quote from the funeral:

"...I knew you wouldn't be happy unless you were hunting Voldemort. MAYBE that's what I like you so much"
Harry could not bear to hear these things, nor did he think his resolution would hold if he remained sitting beside her."

Ginny doesn't only like Harry because of the hero thing, that's why she used the word MAYBE, that that might be one of th reasons she liked him so much, and Harry he obviously wants to be with her or at least there's a part of him, because he said that if he kept being in her company he wouldn't be able to kept his resolution... or sth like that, and Jo didn't say that Ginny was Harry's ideal women for nothing...

I'm not a big fan of this couple, if there's a ship I ship, it's Ron and Hermione, I don't like H/G THAT much, but I think that it's pretty clear that they are meant to be...and if they broke up it was because they know that he's got to do dangerous and important things from now on, and he doesn't want to lose her, NOW... we all know that the books always tell, that LOVE is a HUGE power, after all that is how Harry survived when he was a baby and everything...so I think that Ginny being the person Harry loves in a romantic way, it's a really important element to win the battle.

I like how Harry and Ginny's relationship has changed over time. They were friends for a couple of years before dating. I think that base of friendship helped them get to know each other and build trust.

Wow I've never come across that interview where JKR talked (more like didn't) about the cats. Can you provide the link please? Thanks! :) Ginny's role, however small or large it may be, will have some sort of impact on the Trio's mission and if JKR did refuse to answer the cats question, it's very possible that Ginny might be an Animagus since she had been referred to a cat quite a number of times. And Harry's powers being affected after he broke up with Ginny is very possible as well based on the situations provided in HBP about how a person's powers are weakened when they're deprived of love. Harry, who has the love of his best friends, will eventually realize that he also needs Ginny's love to be strong and continue fighting.

Here is the other quote that I believe ComicBookWorm was referring to.
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[Is there something more to the cats appearing in the books than first meets the eye? (i.e. Mrs. Figg's cats, Crookshanks, Prof. McGonagall as a cat, etc.)] Ooooo, another good question. Let's see what I can tell you without giving anything away....erm....no, can't do it, sorry. Scholastic Chat (October 2000)
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I've also thought about the possibility of Ginny being a cat as an animagus (or a metamorphomagus - can they transform to animals?). It seems to me that the Ginny/cat idea is plausible.

But JKR might also have just been referring to the special abilities that Crookshanks has, which have not yet been recognized in the books. Since it's been set up, Crookshank's unique abilities will surely play a role in the last book.

One way or another, it's my opinion that Ginny will play a major role in the last book. I'm very much inclined to agree with the idea that Tonk's response to unrequited love is a foreshadowing.

Hai to all,
I think Ginny is liking Harry for his heroism. That is not the basic thing for a long lasting relationship. Does she know anything about Harry's fate? (the prophecy (sp) thing). Their relationship is so sudden and inspite of knowing Ginny is having hero worship thing with him, Harry did not resiprocate her in all the years. And their parting is also less passion and Ginny told that she already knew that will happen and she even critising him (any stupid noble reason? I don't remember the exact words by her ) when he told that they have to part.
Even JKR told in the interview that she always know that Harry and Ginny will come together in book 6 and then parted. So I think they will not end up together.

Jo couldn't have possibly said anything about them getting back togther because it would've been a spoiler. And Ginny's days of hero worship or treating Harry like some kind of a god were long over when she came to her senses and started getting to know Harry better. And Harry didn't reciprocate to her feelings because she was always shy around him and he never had a chance to know her, and when he started getting to know her in OoTP, he had his Cho goggles on. Once he took those off, he fell in love with Ginny. And there were always clues in the books that foreshadowed their romance and these clues can be found in IceKat's wonderful essay (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/madampuddifoot/edit-kkearney01.shtml).

Harry and Ginny's parting was one of the most emotional scenes in the books IMO. Harry was trying his best not to shove aside his resolution and it was hard for him to let Ginny go. He broke up with her because he adores her and doesn't want to see her in danger and not because he stopped have feelings. Harry had a taste of true happiness when he was with Ginny and he now has an additional motivation to end the war. He will survive and lead finally lead a happy life.

Oh and thanks for that quote CBW!

ETA- Thanks ProfJS!

I agree that Harry and Ginny's parting was emotional. I actually felt that that was Harry at his most sincere.

The "stupid, noble" thing was not an insult, it was ginny trying to make light of the situation.

Ginny isnt going to let harry stop their relationship because of voldemort. I think their going to end up getting married.

I agree with PotionA nd marauderno5. When Harry broke up with Ginny, he said that he knew that the time he spent with her was too good to be true. He felt like he was living someone else's life. He knew that he could never commit himself fully to someone else as long as Voldemort was still around. This is his destiny, not because of the prophecy, but because Voldemort left Harry without anyone who loves him. He grew up an orphan (can we really call the Dursley's "family"?). He caught a glimpse of true happiness with Ginny, but he is so scared of hurting anyone else in what he feels is a personal battle between himself and Voldemort. He is trying to protect her. I, though, don't think she needs protecting. She can be an asset to him. He needs to realize that though. Hopefully he will sooner rather than later in Book 7.

I also agree that just because JKR said that they would part after book 6, that doesn't mean its permanent. Of course she can't say "well, they parted, but don't worry it's only temporary and they'll get back together on pg. 57, ch.4 in book 7."

When he broke up with Ginny, he said that he knew that the time he spent with her was too good to be true. He felt like he was living someone else's life. He knew that he could never commit himself fully to someone else as long as Voldemort was still around.

I totally agree with you hpfan101. Except I think that they will get together at the very end after Harry murders Voldy.

I think he will realize that he totally and absolutly loves her the final battle. I think it will go that the whole time he's fighting with Voldy he'll be thinking about Ginny " God i hope Ginny's alright, what will happen to us and stufff like that" then Voldemort will have him cornered and is dissing him and his family and how every one he loves is gone. While Voldy is trying to emotionally abuse him so Harry will die miserabley. Harry isint listening he's think "I'm about to die and all i can think about is Ginny" Then all of a sudden he realizes " I love her" and as Voldemort takes his wand in his hand and starts to yell "Avada....." Harry thinks about Ginny and says "Avada Kadavera" he over powers a Pior Incattatum (or however u spell it)
And BAM Voldy is dead.

I know that souds sort of Mushy and Chleshe or something but whatever its just a though!!!!!!!!!;)

I'm so sorry for what i have just said
well i'm a fan... a shipper to be exact.. just like you and so that's why i am saying that it's my opinion just like yours with harry and ginny too..

Anyways we both like the book so there's no big fuss right?

I just like to say why i don't believe in harry and ginny thing...
Golly!!! Harry Ginny shippers are all over Mugglenet...


but i am here to defend and say there's no other girl in the book that really deserves Harry and the other way around..
There were times when Harry would choose hermione up to ron...
Let say about the things concerning Voldie and Sirius...and others too
well you should know it as you read the book...


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nameless_peep: I like your version too, that is exactly what I want to happen, but unfortunately, I don't think anything in the Potterverse turns out so nicely.

Naomikenrick, don't apologize. Everyone has different parts of the series that they like, and that's what makes these books so great. They speak differently to each person. I happen to love Ginny and Harry together, but I am not a Ron/Hermione fan (I was ORIGINALLY a Harry/Hermione shipper, but then decided Ginny is pretty cool). But regardless of who's your ship, just have fun with it, and I hope everyone else does the same. Personally, I like hearing someone who HATES this ship because otherwise, it would just be everyone saying "Oh, I love Harry and Ginny." Well that gets kind of old pretty quickly, doesn't it?

Hai to all,
I don't think H/G will ever happen. It is over and they parted. Ginny had just a hero worship with Harry nothing more than that. Their relationship is very swallow. They don't have any deeper feelings for each other. Their relationship is shortlived and over now. So i think they don't end up together in the next book.

Ginny is long past the 'hero worshipping' phase. When she was in that phase she couldn't speak in front of Harry.

Ginny says at the end of book 6 that she never really gave up on Harry - but that was no longer hero worship, just the hope that he would notice her some day. In book 5, during the library scene, Ginny notices that something has been bothering Harry and assuming that it has to do with Cho Chang (mistakenly, as it turns out), suggests that Harry talk to Cho about it. For someone who is still hoping that Harry might notice her someday, that shows remarkable maturity to treat him as a friend, trying to help him with his girlfriend in spite of her own hopes.

Jo couldn't have possibly said anything about them getting back togther because it would've been a spoiler. And Ginny's days of hero worship or treating Harry like some kind of a god were long over when she came to her senses and started getting to know Harry better. And Harry didn't reciprocate to her feelings because she was always shy around him and he never had a chance to know her, and when he started getting to know her in OoTP, he had his Cho goggles on. Once he took those off, he fell in love with Ginny. And there were always clues in the books that foreshadowed their romance and these clues can be found in IceKat's wonderful essay (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/madampuddifoot/edit-kkearney01.shtml).

Harry and Ginny's parting was one of the most emotional scenes in the books IMO. Harry was trying his best not to shove aside his resolution and it was hard for him to let Ginny go. He broke up with her because he adores her and doesn't want to see her in danger and not because he stopped have feelings. Harry had a taste of true happiness when he was with Ginny and he now has an additional motivation to end the war. He will survive and lead finally lead a happy life.

Oh and thanks for that quote CBW!

ETA- Thanks ProfJS!
Hai PotionA,
Thankyou very much for the link (icekat wonderful essay) you have provided. I will go through it. But I am very sorry to disgree with you that the parting scene of H/G is very emotional. Please don't mistake me. Even now i can't see any emotion in that. In fact I don't think Ginny is in any danger if they carry on their relationship. Harry just don't want to continue their relationship for some reason so he lied her. Lord Voldemart don't know anything about Ginny and their relationship. It is Lucius Malfoy who put the diary in Ginny's couldran to ruin Arthur's reputation in the ministry. Voldemart didn't know anything about the chambers opening etc things .Harry is aware of these things because he discussed about these things with Dumbledore. Kowing all these things Harry told Ginny that if they carried on Vlodemart will get her as happened in their 2nd year. Don't you feel something wrong with Harry? I think he wanted to end up their relationship without hurting her feelings. So he lied her. What do you think?

So he lied her. What do you think?Do you really think that JKR would have Harry behave that dishonorably? We've been inside his head. We do know exactly how he felt about her. We do know how deeply he cared about her. So everything that he thought and felt was all a lie? It's all there on the printed page. I can't see how anyone could deny what he was feeling and thinking.

Do you really think that JKR would have Harry behave that dishonorably? We've been inside his head. We do know exactly how he felt about her. We do know how deeply he cared about her. So everything that he thought and felt was all a lie? It's all there on the printed page. I can't see how anyone could deny what he was feeling and thinking.
Sorry, I don't mean in that sense. The story is in Harry's point of view. But what he told to Ginny is a lie. He is very much aware that Ginny is in no danger. Inspite of this he told her to end up. He don't want to carry on that relationship for some reason which will be clear in book 7. That is what i am trying to say. He told that Voldemart used Ginny as a bait in their 2nd year because she is his best friend's sister. That is a lie.
You can verify this in book 6 page no 475 in which Harry and Dumbledore discussing about the horcruxes.Please don't mistake me. I like Harry's character in this book very much and I never dare to say that he is dishonour.

But what he told to Ginny is a lie. He is very much aware that Ginny is in no danger. First off, anyone who is close to Harry is in grave danger. Second, there is a long tradition of the hero putting off relationships out of a wish to keep the girlfriend safe. Third, everyone at Hogwarts knows they were going out. Of course Voldemort will find out. Fourth, we do know what Harry was thinking and feeling, and he is deeply in love with Ginny.

Having them part is another long tradition in this kind of story. It makes the separation all the more poignant. And it makes when they get back together all the more sweet.

First off, anyone who is close to Harry is in grave danger. Second, there is a long tradition of the hero putting off relationships out of a wish to keep the girlfriend safe. Third, everyone at Hogwarts knows they were going out. Of course Voldemort will find out. Fourth, we do know what Harry was thinking and feeling, and he is deeply in love with Ginny.

Having them part is another long tradition in this kind of story. It makes the separation all the more poignant. And it makes when they get back together all the more sweet.
Firstly, anyone who is close to Harry is in grave danger. I am sorry to disagree with you. Harry's parents sacrificed their lives themselves.(Of course every parent will do this for their child. I am telling this as a parent)
Cedric's death is unexpected and he is not close to Harry.
Voldemart not even take Sirius to the MoM. He just gave a dream to Harry through his mind that Sirius was in MoM. If Harry listen to Hermione's words Sirius would not have been killed.
Dumbledore is the powerful wizard as long as he is alive Voldemart could not lay hands on Harry. So he killed Dumbledore. (In fact Dumbledore is not dead. To save Snape from his unbreakable vow he planned something like that. That is my auumption.)
So anyone close to Harry is in danger is a wrong theory.
Secondly, Ginny is in no danger.
Thirdly, If Voldemart knows anything from the students of the Hogwarts, then Ron and Hermione will be in danger. Because Ron is the most important person to Harry than anyone. Even Snape told about Harry's intelligent friends to Bellatrix.
All are my assumptions, so please don't mistake me if any thing is wrong.

Dumbledore is dead. That death is also needed, on a literary basis, for Harry to grow into manhood. I'm not going to argue with you about whether Harry's friends are in danger. It is a painfully obvious fact. Voldemort wants to kill Harry. Anyone near him will be in danger. They are not going to be discriminate about who they kill to get to Harry. The hero's girlfriend is always the first one they try to snatch. Since Malfoy was at school with them, as well as Crabbe and Goyle, there are plenty of ways for Voldemor to hear about Harry and Ginny.

You are only taking that unusual position to make it sound like Harry lied about his feelings for Ginny. You are taking a desired outcome, and then trying to ignore or deny established facts to make it work. Just read how Harry feels about Ginny. He was head over heels. JKR said she was his ideal girl.

Why would JKR set up this relationship and have Harry feeling such deep emotions just to say it was all a lie in the last book? What purpose would that serve? The only outcome would be to make us all feel cheated. No author would do that. She has certainly used twists and surprises, but never this level of nasty deceit. Her twists surprise and delight us. They don't leave us with a sour taste in our mouths. Making everything Harry felt and said a lie would be a nasty trick. And it would be poor writing. JKR is a far better writer than that.

Hai PotionA,
Thankyou very much for the link (icekat wonderful essay) you have provided. I will go through it. But I am very sorry to disgree with you that the parting scene of H/G is very emotional. Please don't mistake me. Even now i can't see any emotion in that. In fact I don't think Ginny is in any danger if they carry on their relationship. Harry just don't want to continue their relationship for some reason so he lied her. Lord Voldemart don't know anything about Ginny and their relationship. It is Lucius Malfoy who put the diary in Ginny's couldran to ruin Arthur's reputation in the ministry. Voldemart didn't know anything about the chambers opening etc things .Harry is aware of these things because he discussed about these things with Dumbledore. Kowing all these things Harry told Ginny that if they carried on Vlodemart will get her as happened in their 2nd year. Don't you feel something wrong with Harry? I think he wanted to end up their relationship without hurting her feelings. So he lied her. What do you think?

Firstly, anyone who is close to Harry is in grave danger. I am sorry to disagree with you. Harry's parents sacrificed their lives themselves.(Of course every parent will do this for their child. I am telling this as a parent)
Cedric's death is unexpected and he is not close to Harry.
Voldemart not even take Sirius to the MoM. He just gave a dream to Harry through his mind that Sirius was in MoM. If Harry listen to Hermione's words Sirius would not have been killed.
Dumbledore is the powerful wizard as long as he is alive Voldemart could not lay hands on Harry. So he killed Dumbledore. (In fact Dumbledore is not dead. To save Snape from his unbreakable vow he planned something like that. That is my auumption.)
So anyone close to Harry is in danger is a wrong theory.
Secondly, Ginny is in no danger.
Thirdly, If Voldemart knows anything from the students of the Hogwarts, then Ron and Hermione will be in danger. Because Ron is the most important person to Harry than anyone. Even Snape told about Harry's intelligent friends to Bellatrix.
All are my assumptions, so please don't mistake me if any thing is wrong.

I'm sorry, do you write the books? You state all those things like they're fact, when canon indicates that the last thing Harry wanted to do was break things off with her, but he felt he had to or else she'd end up dead because he's number one on Voldemort's hit list. It was painfully obvious that Harry loves her very much, that's why he felt he had to let her go, for her own good, not because he stopped caring about her and "wanted to let her down easy."

I don't understand your reasoning, what you just said doesn't change the fact that Cedric, Sirius, and Dumbledore were all close to Harry as either a friend, a father figure, or mentor.

Ginny IS in danger, she is part of a family of blood-traitors and very important to Harry, so there's a chance of her being killed or used as bait as part of those reasons. Ron and Hermione are in danger also, but they told Harry's they're going no matter what. Harry didn't give Ginny the chance to tell him he was making a big mistake, I'm pretty sure she wants to come along and would've told him so. If Jo built up their relationship for 6 books and had it come to fruition in the 6th just to tell us it was all pointless and a lie, I'd be a little disappointed and I think it would serve no purpose except perhaps to suggest Harry had been on Cheering Charms their entire relationship.

Hai Dead star and CBW,
If my post hurt you, I feel very sorry about that. I don't deny or tell that their relationship itself a lie. Harry felt for Ginny . I accept it. But he don't want to continue that.So by telling her a lie he ended up that relationship. I Just told that it is Lucius not Voldemart who put her danger in the 2nd year.Inspite of knowing that, Harry told her that it was Voldemart. It seems to me that there may be a twist in their relationship in book 7:sad: . I just thought to post my views. I think i hurt your feelings very badly. Once again sorry.

He didn't lie, if he did, we'd know because the books are from his point of view, we see into his mind. You're ignoring canon that clearly states he still wants to be with her to suit your own theory. Also, Riddle used Ginny to drag Harry into the Chamber. Lucius may have given her the diary, but the memory of Voldemort used her as bait; anyway, the fact that Lucius did that just proves that Ginny is in danger at the hands of Death Eaters as well as Voldemort. She is no more safe without Harry than with.

hagrid2, you didn't hurt my feelings. I just didn't see where your ideas fit in with what we already know about the books. It was Voldemort that put Ginny in danger in CoS. Lucius put the diary in her hands, but it was Tom Riddle that almost killed her.

Harry didn't tell her a lie when he broke up. He thought he was being noble. What I keep trying to get across is that we know exactly how Harry feels. He is the only person in the book where we do know his exact thoughts and emotions. We can second guess what others truly feel and think, but we know exactly what Harry thinks and feels. We can be certain he didn't lie since we are always in his head.

Have you seen the Spiderman movie? He did the same thing. He broke up with Mary Jane because he didn't want her in danger. It didn't work because anyone close to him was in danger anyway. Superman used to use that as an excuse to keep from getting involved with Lois Lane. She would be in danger anyway.

It is just a literary technique to make the romance more exciting. If they just declare their love and stay together, it becomes dull. But if they are apart and longing for each other, it make the romance more poignant and exciting. And it makes for stronger emotions when they finally get back together.

JKR has used two standard literary techniques for the major love relationships in the books. She had Ron and Hermione bicker, which always means they will end up together. And she had Harry and Ginny part. The great romances all keep the hero and his love apart until the end.

Hai dead star,
ok. I agree.:agree: He didn't lie.Ginny is in danger if they carry on so he ended up. They will be together in book 7. I don't want to spoil the charm of this thread so i just quit. You please continue.:elaugh:
Hai CBW,
I don't see spiderman movie but heard about the ending.Tom Riddle is the ripped soul of Voldemart and it can act on its own. Dumbledore told everything about these horcruxes to Harry in detail. So i thought like that and post my views. Anyway sorry for the interuption created by me in this thread. You people please carry on.:D

You know. I've seen people say that Ginny will die, or that Harry will find a new love in book 7. I've seen people say he is too young to know what he feels and years later he'll end up with Hermione. But I've never seen anyone else say he lied when he broke up with Ginny. The reason is that we know exactly what he is thinking every moment.

You know. I've seen people say that Ginny will die, or that Harry will find a new love in book 7. I've seen people say he is too young to know what he feels and years later he'll end up with Hermione. But I've never seen anyone else say he lied when he broke up with Ginny. The reason is that we know exactly what he is thinking every moment.

I see you haven't visited Portkey since HBP. :lol: I used to debate there fairly regularly and so occasionally I will still poke my head in there, "Harry lied to himself, and the readers" is a common argument. H/G is simply the biggest Red Herring imaginable.

I really think the ships are set, and have sailed. For good or ill, JKR has made her choices I can't imagine her devoting the page room to dissolve them at this point.

I see you haven't visited Portkey since HBP. :lol: I used to debate there fairly regularly and so occasionally I will still poke my head in there, "Harry lied to himself, and the readers" is a common argument. H/G is the simply the biggest Red Herring imaginable.
I stopped bothering with sites like that after all of the recriminations and sheer nastiness that emerged after Half Blood Prince, I've always enjoyed reading the, shall we say lighter and fluffier side, of the Potter books as it was a fun and enjoyable way to counterbalance the darkness of the storys as well as reflecting the whole 'coming of age' aspect quite well. Frankly I couldn't be bothered with being on the receiving end of said nastiness just because I'd seen what was coming and others didn't, though in the case of Harry and Ginny prior to Half Blood Prince this was more wishful thinking on my part than anything that I'd read in previous books, I just thought they sat well with one another.

I really think the ships are set, and have sailed. For good or ill, JKR has made her choices I can't imagine her devoting the page room to dissolve them at this point.
:agree: Definately.

On a slightly off topic note and as an attempt to steer a course out of such hazardous waters how do people think the filmmakers, or for that matter Dan and Bonnie, are going to handle the Harry Ginny getting together subplot in Half Blood Prince, particularly the 'several sunlit days' scene? Could be interesting. :eyebrows:

ComicBookWorm and Hagrid2:

Thank you for this riveting debate!!!!

It is very entertaining!!!:no:

I am totally just kidding with my smilie. it is actually entertaining that you guys have pretty much taken up the whole page with like one arguement!!! I've read almost every page in this thread and I've never seen that before!!(and i am totally being serious this time)

In my opinion I don't think that the whole H/G thing was lie (no offense Hagrid2)

Harry and Ginny are the real deal because JK said they were. Harry knows that he's a tough case not many woman could handle him in the long run.
So why would he get rid of the only person who could be his equal and love him like nobody else could ,for more than a little while.

In HBP i don't think that the break up scene was the most emotional part of the book either (no offense ComicBookWorm)
These are just my opinions I'm not looking for a fight!!!!!!!:angel:

Harry and Ginny are the real deal because JK said they were. Harry knows that he's a tough case not many woman could handle him in the long run.
So why would he get rid of the only person who could be his equal and love him like nobody else could ,for more than a little while.

Exactly. Ginny is Harry's perfect match and he has no reason to start looking around for another girl. Harry has eyes only for Ginny and even if she dies in book 7 (which I highly doubt), it will take a long time for Harry to find someone who can fill in Ginny's shoes or JKR probably won't even go that deep into the future and show that Harry is content as a loner. The latter obviously doesn't fit into the classical hero's journey pattern and will be sending out a wrong message IMO because Harry deserves to be happy with a large family after all that he's been through.

On a slightly off topic note and as an attempt to steer a course out of such hazardous waters how do people think the filmmakers, or for that matter Dan and Bonnie, are going to handle the Harry Ginny getting together subplot in Half Blood Prince, particularly the 'several sunlit days' scene? Could be interesting. :eyebrows:

I know Dan said in one of the interviews on the red carpet at the NY GOF premiere that he was looking forward to the Harry and Ginny stuff if/when he gets to shoot HBP, I can't remember his exact words, but that was the gist of it. I think since the movie probably won't begin production until summer 2007 at the earliest, they'll be 18 and 16 respectively, so they'll be quite mature, and they'll also have what, 7 years of acting in HP alone under their belts, so I think they'll be up to the challenge.

Okay I have a question for all out there. We all know that we are going to loose more goodies in the 7th book. If the at least some of those deaths happen toward the middle or the beginning do you think it will push Harry to reconcile with Ginny, or to redouble his efforts in staying away.

I think it will make him stay away more. He is not the most well adjusted boy, and I think loosing a Prof. Sprout/ Flickwick (I think the big deaths would be at the end of the books) would make him more focused on keeping Ginny "safe" by keeping her away from him. What do you all think?

Okay I have a question for all out there. We all know that we are going to loose more goodies in the 7th book. If the at least some of those deaths happen toward the middle or the beginning do you think it will push Harry to reconcile with Ginny, or to redouble his efforts in staying away.
I think he has to realize that he can't push Ginny away for ever. Harry is going to be going through more difficult times and he needs someone who can make him happy.

More to the point, Harry needs to realize that no matter what happens Ginny is in mortal peril, and so is he. They could both die at any time and need to take what time they have.

Ok I don´t mean to offend anybody but I don´t think that Harry and Ginny belongs together... why?, well, first it would be too obvious come on! Ron and Hermione and Harry and Ginny, it is like get out of your little circle!!!!, meet people!!!, it would too easy and too boring, Yes Harry definitely feels something about Ginny but it´s not love (at least not as a guy) but like a brother, or a friend, besides him she is the only one who ha shared thoughts with Voldemort, I mean they have been one mind, so she is the only one who understand how Harry feels everytime Voldy gets into his mind and heart.

I think that Harry and Ginny make a pretty good couple. I think that in the last book, Harry won't want to have too much to do with her. As he said in HBP, Voldemort would just use her to get to him. To protect himself and Ginny, I think he'll try and distance himself from her.

In HBP i don't think that the break up scene was the most emotional part of the book either (no offense ComicBookWorm) These are just my opinions I'm not looking for a fight!!!!!!!What gave you the idea that I thought it was the most emotional scene. If you aren't looking for a fight then don't mock other people's posts and say provocative (and insulting) things. And don't put words into other people's mouths.

I know Dan said in one of the interviews on the red carpet at the NY GOF premiere that he was looking forward to the Harry and Ginny stuff if/when he gets to shoot HBP, I can't remember his exact words, but that was the gist of it. I think since the movie probably won't begin production until summer 2007 at the earliest, they'll be 18 and 16 respectively, so they'll be quite mature, and they'll also have what, 7 years of acting in HP alone under their belts, so I think they'll be up to the challenge.

He really said that? :lol: They'll look fabulous together onscreen, but it's interesting that he said that about H/G....

More to the point, Harry needs to realize that no matter what happens Ginny is in mortal peril, and so is he. They could both die at any time and need to take what time they have.

I agree. If Harry does get back with Ginny in the middle of his quest, it will emphasize on the power of love that it can exist in a time of war and that Harry needs to embrace the love of those he cares about in order to vanquish Voldemort.

Ok I don´t mean to offend anybody but I don´t think that Harry and Ginny belongs togetherWell since JKR thinks they belong together (his ideal girl), I think her opinion is the most important. As for Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny being too tight a group. Well, that is the idea. JKR set it up so they could all be together.

I stopped bothering with sites like that after all of the recriminations and sheer nastiness that emerged after Half Blood Prince, I've always enjoyed reading the, shall we say lighter and fluffier side, of the Potter books as it was a fun and enjoyable way to counterbalance the darkness of the storys as well as reflecting the whole 'coming of age' aspect quite well. Frankly I couldn't be bothered with being on the receiving end of said nastiness just because I'd seen what was coming and others didn't, though in the case of Harry and Ginny prior to Half Blood Prince this was more wishful thinking on my part than anything that I'd read in previous books, I just thought they sat well with one another.

I don't know. I could understand the H/H club being mad/hurt/disappointed. They did not receive the nicest send off, and they had worked hard for years. I can also relate to hating a discussion that an author makes. I recently read "My Sister's Keeper" which was by and large a good book; but I felt the ending was a huge let down and that the author took the easy way out. Now if I'd gotten in a debate with someone half through reading My Sister's Keeper where I argued a different out come it would have only added exponentially to my disappointment.

What I don't like that H/H shipper did, was that they didn't allow their ship to die with dignity. Portkey used to be a fun place to debate, but post HBP I hate to say it but they have gotten a bit, errr D-*-l-u-s-i-o-n-a-l. I understand why pre HBP they thought they had a good chance but post HBP the arguments seem to have gone very out there.

It's fine to argue that at some point after the books H/H will realize that they love each other, to exchange fan fiction ideas, etc. It is a bit unbelievable to argue that in the last book Harry will get over Ginny, and that H/R will simply dissolve. It's like arguing that Hermione and Draco will end up in love, it might be an interesting idea but it doesn't appear to be where the author is going.



On a slightly off topic note and as an attempt to steer a course out of such hazardous waters how do people think the filmmakers, or for that matter Dan and Bonnie, are going to handle the Harry Ginny getting together subplot in Half Blood Prince, particularly the 'several sunlit days' scene? Could be interesting. :eyebrows:

To be honest I think it will come across as very Amadolla(sp)/ Anakin. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a bit cheesy on screen. It is a bit cheesy in the books (IMHO) but at least we had more time/ insights in to it. It should be cute to watch though. :D

Ok I don´t mean to offend anybody but I don´t think that Harry and Ginny belongs together... why?, well, first it would be too obvious come on! Ron and Hermione and Harry and Ginny, it is like get out of your little circle!!!!, meet people!!!, it would too easy and too boring, Yes Harry definitely feels something about Ginny but it´s not love (at least not as a guy) but like a brother, or a friend, besides him she is the only one who ha shared thoughts with Voldemort, I mean they have been one mind, so she is the only one who understand how Harry feels everytime Voldy gets into his mind and heart.

If Harry has only brotherly feelings for Ginny he needs to stop kissing her and having dreams about her!

Seriously, the couples are set. JKR has said in an interview that Ron and Hermione, Harry and Ginny are the couples she's developed from the beginning.

It's OK if you think JKR's decisions are boring, but they've been made. It's done.

Ok I don´t mean to offend anybody but I don´t think that Harry and Ginny belongs together... why?, well, first it would be too obvious come on! Ron and Hermione and Harry and Ginny, it is like get out of your little circle!!!!, meet people!!!, it would too easy and too boring, Yes Harry definitely feels something about Ginny but it´s not love (at least not as a guy) but like a brother, or a friend, besides him she is the only one who ha shared thoughts with Voldemort, I mean they have been one mind, so she is the only one who understand how Harry feels everytime Voldy gets into his mind and heart.
I disagree.
a. JKR has told us that Ginny is Harry's ideal girl. JKR has also told us that she never deliberately misleads the readers. We combine those two statements: Ginny and Harry are meant for each other.
b. If you're arguing for Ron and Hermione not being a couple either, JKR has also told us that they should be together. She's been dropping "anvil-sized hints" since CoS.
c. It doesn't matter that Ron, Hermione, Harry, and Ginny are really close. Are you saying that Harry and Ginny shouldn't be together because they were friends before they were romantically interested in each other? I don't think it really matters how well they knew each other beforehand; if they are "meant for each other," then there is no reason for that to be a factor.
d. Ginny understands Harry better than anyone else because Voldemort has posessed her. If anything, that should be a reason why Harry and Ginny should be together. There is no reason for that to restrict Harry and Ginny's relationship to a brother-sister kind of love.

If Harry has only brotherly feelings for Ginny he needs to stop kissing her and having dreams about her! :rotfl:

:lol: I agree, all that kissing stuff and naughty dreams really hurts the sisterly/brotherly feeling being Harry and Ginny. They need to stop doing that if they only have sibling feelings.

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