Spinner's End #19 - The Psyche of Severus: Prologue - Act II

Discussion for Spinner's End #19 - The Psyche of Severus (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/spinnersend/se19.shtml) by Lady Lupin.

This discussion thread is specifically for the following sections of the multi-part editorial:

Prologue (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/spinnersend/se19a.shtml)
Act I: The Marauder Era (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/spinnersend/se19b.shtml)
Act II: After Hogwarts (http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/spinnersend/se19c.shtml)

It was interesting, and probably plausible...but I'm sure some of the times are wrong - I don't have the books/info on me, but I'll try and find out later...
I like the hint that this is why Snape hates Neville so much, but it may not be because he spent so much time and effort protecting him, but just that if Voldemort had decided to go after him instead of Harry then things would have been very different...
Oh, and isn't the idea that the parents of the child had already defied Voldemort three times by the time the prophecy was made? Thinking about it I suppose that doesn't have to be the case, but it seems to be implied.

Sorry, but I think your editorial is to much fan-fiction. We haven´t any real clues for the relationship Snape - Lily. In fact we still don´t know enough about the character Snape. I believe most of us will be surprised (for bad or for good) of him in book 7.

I think everything intertwined with each other very charismatically, and at the moment i can't find any faults in it. Reini u do have a good point that it stems towards the fan fiction side of harry potter, but i think we need to stem towards the fan fiction side, as it gives us more insight to what might have happened, and i doubt that this is very far off the ball.

A well-written story (like all of Lady Lupin's editorials), but I don't buy the last part of Act II. I don't think Voldemort would've told his DEs in advance that we was going to go after the Potters, since he wouldn't want to make a fool of himself for the seventh time (hey, this looks like the seventh time's a charm :lol: ) and probably suspected there was a spy amongst his DEs. I also don't think that there were any DEs present at Godric's Hollow, save Wormtail. Voldemort probably took Wormtail with him to have a hostage in case the whole thing was a trap, and Wormtail needed to retrieve Voldemort's wand so he can return it to him at the graveyard. Taking other DEs with him would be useless. If he wanted to show off his victory to the DEs, he could very well just take the Potters' corpses (or at least Harry's) with him to show the DEs, who would be totally surprised as they didn't know their master had been going after the Potters once more.

The rest of the story all sounds very plausible, provided one accepts the Lily-Snape theory (which is actually a pretty likely theory given the SWM-evidence).

Wow this is (going to be) one big editorial. Although it's all speculation and yes - maybe a bit fan fiction like, it's all plausible (just like all your other editorials). I also agree with the 'Snape-loves-Lily' theory, there isn't much canon but there are certainly clues. There's one thing i don't completely agree with - that he took a bunch of deatheaters with him to Godric's hollow. I do believe Wormtail came with him to get Voldemort's wand, but I don't think there were any other deatheaters.

Lady Lupin, I love your editorials! They are always very thought out and push the boundries of what little information Jo gives us in the books. I really like this theory, or should I say multiple theories! We don't have too much information on Snape. Jo has carefully not given much away. His character is probably the most guarded and unreadable. These theories are very plausible and it would explain a lot to do with how he treats Harry, how he saves Harry, and even his treatment of Neville. I can't wait to read what further theories you are working on for this installment. Cheers!

i don't know if this is the direction that JK will go in, but it is an excellent theory nonetheless, and the evidence certainly does seem to support it. now for the real question; when are the next parts coming?

Lady Lupin ,Great writing all possible except that one part is out of phase. In the book on Snape's greatest regret I believe that when he called Lily a mudblood that was the last time Lily spoke to him. I can believe everything else happened before this regret but not after. Losing any contact with Lily would be his greatest regret.

Hi LadyLupin!

I've really enjoyed reading the first three parts, and found myself nodding and muttering, 'yep', 'that's so true', (and similar agreements) as I went through.

Forget fan fiction. This is a detailed analysis of the facts, extracting the truth from the tidbits Jo has given us and extrapolating plausable explanations where necessary. Dumbledore worked in the exact same way to decipher the Horcrux mystery. Personally I'm loving getting into Snape's mind and seeing through his eyes for once.

So :tu: for Psyche of Severus. Can't wait for the rest :)

Normally, I look forward to Lady Lupin's editorials, but I dislike the direction she is taking these days. I would respectfully request that she post fan fiction in the Fan Fiction, where it belongs, and keep the Editorials section for editorials. Thank you.

I just noticed this little inconsistency:

Lily is delivered of a boy. Severus so hoped it would be a girl, as the Prophecy definitely spoke of a he. But it is a boy.

It's true that the "one" is referred to as "he" in the prophecy, but that's not the part that Snape heard, according to the story. In the part he heard, there is no reference to the child's gender. So for all he knows, it could be a girl.

Very good, Lady Lupin! I'm not sure that there's any reason to think that Snape protected the Longbottoms (we're told that "a spy" warned Dumbledore about the Potters' danger), but it is true that they lasted until after Godric's Hollow.

And I think you handled the Snape-Lily thing well. You didn't have him overcome by an everlasting lurve, nor does he break into "My Heart Will Go On" when she dies. (SO sorry about giving you that mental image!) It's a business-like peer relationship and fits with what little we know of Lily.

I've never been a fan of the Snape/Dumbledore/UVow theories, but bringing Lily into the mix makes it a little more palatable.

Waiting eagerly for the next installments!

Lady Lupin, wonderful! Of course, I'm a fan of yours, so I'm prejudiced. Also, I don't know where you are taking us in the last three acts and the epilogue, so some of the problems may yet resolve themselves in the wake of your magic keyboard.

Still, I am not sure why Severys would be interested in the Longbottoms. Voldemort assigned them to Bellatrix, who destroyed them with the Cruciatus curse. There's no hint of the Dark Lord's personal involvement against them.

Voldemort tended to be solo operator. At present I see no reason for any DE's to be present at the Potter murders, except of course, possibly for Peter. In fact, Peter might have gone to Godric's Hollow separately from Voldemort for whatever reason.

This is very good, but has anyone thought about lifedebts? Snape owes James for saving his life in school. This is ancient magic that Dumbledore tells Harry when he (Harry) saved Peter's life in PoA. That he Dumbledore does not think VL would like a leutinent that has a life debt to Harry. Snape is an excellent occlumens so he could hide it (lefedebt) from him. Now that the Potters are dead what happens to the lifedebt? Is it passed on to Harry? Is that the reason that Snape hates Harry so much? Sorry for all these questions, your theory about Lily is very good, but I think there is more to it than an unbreakable vow.

Good point about the lifedebts, Hendu. It's another reason that Snape would not be present at Godric's Hollow when Voldemort did in the Potters.

Good editorial. However I cannot bring myself to believe that Lily was so friendly with Snape. She must have known that sticking up for him in front of the marauders would humiliate Snape further. She wasn't looking out for Snape at all! Her eye had been on James all the time (she knew that he was messing up his hair, playing with the snitch, etc). She stood up for Snape for the sole reason that although she already had a preference for James, she could not approve of his flirting and his bullying and wanted to give him a piece of her mind. She knew that James liked her (he had already asked her out) and she told him exactly what she wanted him to do (or stop doing) if he wanted to win her over. Lily was no idiot - she was only thinking of showing James that his antics at the time were unacceptible to her. And Snape was not this loner as everyone tends to stress. We're told that he was part of a Slytherin gang. He probably prefered being on his own most of the time but he was not friendless.

I thought this was all very interesting and am anticipating the rest (hopefully it'll come soon :p). I was particiularly intrigued by the ideas in the Prologue, as well as the writing itself. Impressive! One thing though: didn't Trelawney say Snape was eavesdropping because she thought he was trying to get pointers on his interview with Dumbledore for the next week? Your scenario puts this much later in the story. That's not to say that the rest of the scenario couldn't have happened as described (or near to it) or that this gap couldn't be filled by moving up the timeline, but I just thought I'd point out the discrepency.

belsito:

What a cynical view of Lily! She has never been described as coniving or devious. On the contrary, she's been described as kind, loving and just. She was probably so furious at James because she DID like him and he was being a bully (in her eyes anyway).

m henson:

the prophesy says "...born to those that have thrice defied him." This says to me that they had to have defied him by the time the baby was BORN, not necessarily at the time the prophesy was made.

Also, if LL had posted this on FF, we would have missed out on her theorizing. Yes, it reads a lot like a story but I think that that's the best way to display this much speculation.

I agree with several of the previous posters. Yes, the editorial does read like a fan fiction, but sometimes the best way to explain a theory is to put it in a senario, which Lady Lupin has done wonderfullly.

Like a few others, I don't think there was a whole bunch of DEs with Voldemort at Godric's Hollow for the reasons already mentioned, but I do think that Snape did go, or attempted to go. Perhaps it took some time for Snape to find the Potter's destroyed house because of the charm, but once he did and saw the wreakage, then he messaged Dumbledore. It's a thought anyway, and it would explain the "Lost Day" a bit more, if the rest of the theories in LadyLupin's editorial are correct (which I don't expect them to be too far off!).

I like the relationship described between Snape and Lily. I'm not a "Snape was in love with Lily" fan but this described more hard earned respect between the two which seems a bit more probable.

I'm also not a UV fan when it comes to Dumbledore and Snape, and while bringing Lily in certainly solves that problem and does make a lot of sense, it still doesn't seem too terribly likely. Perhaps it's because it is so much like the UV between Narcissa and Snape in HBP. I just think that, in regards to what the UV helps explain, that there is something else we don't know of yet that is used instead of a UV. But that's just my personal idea there.

Wow, there is just so much to talk about with just this bit to get started with! Can't wait for the rest of it!

This is interesting. I don't agree with some of it, primarily because there are some inconsistencies, but I like the general idea of the editorial. I would also like to state that I don't think that this is fan fiction, as some people have said. It does read like a story but I think this is the best way to write it.

I thought the way you described how Snape felt about working for Voldemort. Snape strikes to me as the type who definitely wants to have power all to himself. I believe that he probably never intended to be Voldemort's stooge. He was probably hoping that he would be looked by Voldemort as a sort of an equal. He would be very frustrated to find out that Voldemort doesn't have friends or equals.

I'm still not sure as to whether Snape and Lily had a friendship or a one-sided romantic relationship, though. The signs could point either way. I'm not sure as to which of the two you are leaning towards.

I also agree with a few of the others who don't think that Voldemort would have brought his Death Eaters along. He may have informed Snape because he trusted Snape and for all we know, he might have brought Snape along but I have a hard time believing that Voldemort would bring everyone along. He prefers to do things so important without others around. He did personally murder Amelia Bones and I was always under the impression that he did that without other DEs around, but I could be wrong.

So, I agree with you for the most part and I will be looking forward to the next installments.

I think that Snape was made the Unbreakable Vow, but I never thought about who would give it to him and who with (besides Dumbledore being one of those). I thought it would have been Hagrid, since Dumbledore trusts him so much, to put the vow between Snape and Dumbledore. But instead Dumbledore did the vow between Lily and Snape. Thats even seems probable. I don't think that Dumbledore said anything about loyalty to him or the Order though. I think he made him do 2 vows and thats all he needed" a) To protect Harry from harm any way he can and b) to do anything within his power to destroy Voldemort.

And I think the only 2 DEs that knew he was going to kill the Potters were Snape and Wormtail. Those would have been the only DEs he would have brought along.

An interesting theory and well presented. I do not agree entirely with it but the way you have written it makes it worthwhile to consider the possibility that you may be onto something. I agree with the others who say Voldemort probably took only Snape and Wormtail with him to the Potter's house. It does seem more his style.

I agree with you when you say Snape's potions book had originally belonged to his mother but I believe the spells in the book were written by her rather than by Snape. After all, in HBP, it is said that the writing looked like a girls and Harry would certainly have recognised Snape's writing if it had been his.

I look forward to reading the rest of this editorial. Keep up the good work.

Could Harry's eyes looking so much like his Mother's be the a part of the reason Dumbledore Trusts Snape? In Harry, Snape sees guilt and shame, thus pusing Potter as far as possible from him. In making Harry seethe (only because hate is such a strong word) him, He hopes it gives him a reson to not feel badly about the past.

Does that make sense?

Congrats again Lupin!! I Agree with a lot that Lady Lupin lead on to, but as with others, there is a lot I dont agree with.
I really like what Bribe says (Two comments up), but with a twist.
If snape had written all that stuff in the book, wouldn't anyone have recognized his handwriting? Regardless of the fact it looked more female than male, The trio sees Snape write all the time and at least Hermione would have seen a connection between the two. :no:

However, at the same time, If Snape's Mother was so great at Potions, How come there were no prizes, awards or mention of her for potions? If she had been that gifted, Slughorn would have favored. The only reason I can think of that slughorn didn't favor her would be her looks or charms... Just a thought. :huh:


Lastly I love the idea that Dumbledore/Snape Unbreakable Vow theory. I don't really know if Lily had been involved, for some reason, I'm thinking nah, However, what about Dumbledore's long-in-the-shadows-out-of-the-spotlight brother? Perhaps he was the extra when Snape made the vow with Dumbledore. And with another twist, perhaps Snapes Vow was that he would never again be a true death-eater and would remain faithful to Dumbledor no matter what. (Dumbledor did after all make this agreement minus the vow with Harry)

I like how this editorial bridges the gap between fan fiction and theory. Just because it is presented more as a scenario doesn't mean that is isn't backed up with canon (although there are several inaccuracies, as mentioned by other posters). As another reply stated, this is very similar to how Dumbledore went about filling the gaps in the horcrux story. Speculation is all part of the fun, and I find this to be educated speculation rather than outright fiction.

However, I do take issue with the "by-the-book" explanation of Snape. I don't think it's really in character. He complains about Harry's rule-bending, but Snape certainly bends rules. For example, I don't think destroying a student's potion and then giving him a zero grade is really in the rule book. Plus, how can Snape be so good at and in admiration of the Dark Arts if he is a by-the-book sort of guy? After all, even he states, lovingly, that they are ever-changing. He implies, as does Harry, that the best way to fight the Dark Arts is to be creative and think on your feet, rather than have a bunch of spells memorized—not what you would expect of a rule-loving Snape. In fact, perhaps it is because Snape so detests rules that he is a lover of the Dark Arts and desires to teach them. Just as he can make up Levicorpus, he can invent its counterspell.

Finally, I don't think Dumbledore would have brought Lily in on the agreement, but I love the idea of that happening. While the "Snape loved Lily" of past posts and editorials is a tempting theory, I don't know that I believe Jo is sentimental enough in her writing to use that as his motive, and I have had a hard time figuring out why Snape would shift his loyalties otherwise. This scenario makes the "Snape was out for himself" theory plausible to me for the first time.

OK, let's have the rest, then! Most enjoyable.

OK... you've been peeking at my plot notes, right? Yikes... scary.. I guess great minds think alike!

I'm with you on most of this: especially the early years. But there is one important inconsistency: you have Voldemort agreeing to Imperious Lily, yet we know that doesn't happen. If he'd wanted to do it, he would have done it before asking her to "Step aside".

Anyway... this IS sort of like fan-fiction.. in fact sort of like... mine! But I'm delighted to read your take on the possible flow of incidents.

This was by far one of the most interesting reads and intuitive editorials I have ever read. Koodos to you Lady Lupin!

I particularly loved the way you spun Severus' pathalogical need to be a loner, yet powerful at the same time. Then, of course, Lily Evans breaks through his distorted spirit and shows him a kindness he didnt even realize he needed. Thus proving to himself he was indeed human like the rest of us.

I wonder if Severus did an unbreakable vow with Lily....JKR did say in book 7 we'll find out somthing very important about Lily. Could this be it? Could this be what exsonerates Snape....hmm? Good editorial, cant wait for the rest!:clap:

I bet Jo is shaking in her boots right now! lol this is pure speculation but it coincides with lots of facts we've learned in the books. We have a perspective on the whole scenario with this. The next three acts will be good, I have faith in you Lady Lupin!!!!

Ok some people are sweeping stuff aside far to easily. Lady Lupin has presented a very plausible idea to the psyche of snape. AS ALWAYS!!!
To the "trelawney said snape was trying to get tips fo a job" poster, Trelawney was more than likely speculating about why snape would be listening at a door knob, so trying to get "tips" (becuase obvioulsy she was a very superior person who would more than likely get a job, It would be NAtural for him to get some ideas off her, being his superior _sarcasm, we do know she has a high opinion of her lack lustre concious divination abilities, its the unconcious ones that really are the gems) seemed that best way of presenting it. Of course add the fact she was half delirious after a prophecy (we have seen her snap out of trances and be disorientated and not know what had happened, so the sudden arrival of snape during her job interview would make her think of the above solution.
as to snape and lily, Hasnt jk said in th prisoner of azkaban dvd extras say that some things in the 3rd movie came scarily close to what will actually be given information in future books? a scene i think that is in question is harry and lupins discussion on the bridge about lily and her ability to see the good in people, no matter how much they couldnt see it ( Alarms SNAPE SNAPE SNAPE). I cant believe some one could be so cynical to sugest that lily only acted that way to snape in her 5th year to push james in the right direction. I dont think she loved snape, but she respected that she was capable of greatness and had been hurt in his past. Snape obviously saw lily as something more than ordianry, but he didnt necessarily have heart palpitations when ever she smiled (maybe a heart murmur, but not heatcliffe banging head against a tree screaming out "lily" passion, but a love which was powerful enough for dumbledore to take into evidence to trust snape (no wonder he wouldnt want to tell harr)
ok i'm now writing an editorial, so i'll cut short. Great editorial, presented in an unusual format, WHICH WAS VERY COMPELLING and delivered its message nice and clear.
THe only problem is the multiple death eaters. I agree with everyone it would more than likely only be snape or peter present with voldemort on the 31/10/81 at godrics hollow at approximately 11:30pm
CHEERS WOLFMOTHER, lady lupin

I think this checks out.

i like it, but i cant see snape accepting help frome lilly, and i see him as the potions genius not her, while she was undoubtedly very good at it.

Wow, where to begin...It is a thoughtful editorial but without the finishing parts I can't make a comprehensive reply. However I was never of the opinion that Snapes worst memory was because Lily was so great that everyone fell in love with her. I have an alternate theory as to why Snapes memory was his worst but the Snape loved Lily theory is merely fanon in my opinion (for all us romantics out there! :love: )

My own posits on Lily are few (gee thanks JKR for little or no canon!:lol: ) but I believe that JKR has been telling us not to judge people by their covers. Lily's cover is gentle loving etc etc etc. did she not do anything wrong? I think she did. I think she may have cheated. In potions. JKR has emphasized her charm ability interviews. Not potions. Yet canon directly states that Slughorn thinks her a genius at potions. Hmmmm. We all assume that Lily was trying to be nice to Snape that day that James and Sirius were bullies. Maybe it was more than that. Maybe it was guilt. A few things things jumped out at me in HBP. One is that James used Levicorpus on Snape (side note it was the same nasty used at the Quidditch world cup bad Snape BAD)that day. Two that Levicorpus was in Borages book (poor Neville). Three at the end of HBP Snape rants angrily at Harry that no one can use his own spells against him! So it appears that either James stole Snapes book at some point and was taunting Snape with his own spells or someone :cough Lily cough: told James all about what was in that book. So imagine her horror when James uses Levicorpus on Snape. How would Lily feel then? Several things all at once. Horror that the spell was so nasty. Guilt that she told James about it. Maybe a bit of panic that Snape might put two and two together and realize she was the one that cheated off of him. Good-bye good grades if that happens. Which apparently he does when he spits out mudblood at her. For her the insult makes her feel justified in her cheating. And the awfulness of the Levicorpus serves Snape right for inventing it in the first place. So Snapes worst Memory isn't because he was humiliated in front of Lily but because she cheated off him AND told his worst enemy. I doubt he would have needed to be in love with her to be PO'd because of that!

Oy, long winded but more easily backed up by canon, I think, than the Snape/Lily nonlove affair. Also I don't believe that the Death Eaters were at Godric Hollow either. Sorry for being long winded!

[QUOTE=hulagirl]So it appears that either James stole Snapes book at some point and was taunting Snape with his own spells or someone :cough Lily cough: told James all about what was in that book. So imagine her horror when James uses Levicorpus on Snape.

You know, I thought this myself, although not the cheating part. It seemed awfully strange that Snape's secret spell became common knowledge—a popular spell of the day. He doesn't seem like someone who would willingly share something like this. There are all kinds of possible scenarios. Maybe Lily saw it and pulled a sectumsempra on someone, just to see what it did. Maybe she asked one of the maurauders about it and the information was passed to James that way. Maybe the book was originally Lily's (doubtful) and Snape was the cheater. (After all, just because the book was the right age doesn't necessarily mean it was his mother's. Lots of students have secondhand books.) From Lily's reacton to James, I doubt she told him directly, but it had to have gotten out somehow.

Wow that gives us a lot to think over. I honestly can't comment too much on cannon accuracies, but I have to say you hang your hat on the "Lilly as Snape's motivation" thing a bit too much for me.

Also I don't like the unbreakable vow theory. I would hope that Dumbledore would have some other reason to trust Snape. Think about it... why not just tell people that Snape made an unbreakable vow will Lilly to protect her son? It doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would have to be keep a secret from people in the Order.

I don't know. I could be wrong. I can't wait to see what comes next in this Fanfic Editorial.

It was a very well done piece of fan-fiction, with a few canon facts thrown in. So much of it is supposition, such as Lily being the one to think of adding mint, that it reads like fiction. It is also slanted to the "Snape is a misunderstood good guy" side of the argument, too.

But it is an interesting read and I can tell that you worked very hard on it.

To the "trelawney said snape was trying to get tips fo a job" poster, Trelawney was more than likely speculating about why snape would be listening at a door knob, so trying to get "tips" (becuase obvioulsy she was a very superior person who would more than likely get a job, It would be NAtural for him to get some ideas off her, being his superior _sarcasm, we do know she has a high opinion of her lack lustre concious divination abilities, its the unconcious ones that really are the gems) seemed that best way of presenting it.I don't disagree with you that Trelawney was wrong about Snape was trying to get tips. Of course we know that's not why he was outside the door. But that doesn't mean that Snape didn't have a job interview soon after that - the quote says that Snape was "seeking a job at that time," which suggests to me that Trelawney is not confused about Snape's interest in a job, just about the reason for his eavsdropping. I don't think that this little oversight messes up Lady Lupin's theory at all, it just moves up the timeline a bit.

First off, Lady Lupin,

I love how you roled everything into story format, it makes things not only much easier to remember, rather then just listing facts, but it also makes it more fun to read.

I agree with most, that their are a few slight discrepincies, mostly with time line and the order of events, not so much with the explinations.

However it isn't finished and im sure lady lupin will pull some strings together, and tie it up nicley.

Remeber these editorials are food for thought, they are to get us thinking, and to keep us on a staighter path way. They arn't gunna be without flaw, and we dont have nearly as much back story as Jo. So it isn't likely everthing will mesure up, but with editorials like this, i think we can stay close.

There was some discussion about who stole Levicorpus, but I don't think it needs to have been stolen. It would be pretty easy to copy if Snape used it out loud once.

Also, if Lily was the one to perform the Fidelius charm, would the charm be broken once she was dead?

[QUOTE=hulagirl]So it appears that either James stole Snapes book at some point and was taunting Snape with his own spells or someone :cough Lily cough: told James all about what was in that book. So imagine her horror when James uses Levicorpus on Snape.

You know, I thought this myself, although not the cheating part. It seemed awfully strange that Snape's secret spell became common knowledge—a popular spell of the day. He doesn't seem like someone who would willingly share something like this. There are all kinds of possible scenarios. Maybe Lily saw it and pulled a sectumsempra on someone, just to see what it did. Maybe she asked one of the maurauders about it and the information was passed to James that way. Maybe the book was originally Lily's (doubtful) and Snape was the cheater. (After all, just because the book was the right age doesn't necessarily mean it was his mother's. Lots of students have secondhand books.) From Lily's reacton to James, I doubt she told him directly, but it had to have gotten out somehow.

I don't have my book on me but Lily's reaction could easily be justified by the fact that James's use of the curse is a betrayal of confidence. If a guy liked me I certainly wouldn't expect him to run around a say or do something that I entrusted in him with confidence. I'd hate him for it and it would take me a long time, if ever, for me to forgive him. There is no other evidence in canon that would suggest that she tried any of those handwritten curses herself, nor that any of the other marauders were near that book. I admit I'm hanging my hat on the fact that Slughorn was overly effusive about Lily in relation to Snape about potion making but I think that is too much of a coincidence.

Another beauty Lady Lupin! Yes, very nice.

As for everyone that's getting so nit-picky about it, please remember that LL wrote herself that this is all speculation. I think that a lot of it does make sense, however. I also think that it will make even more sense when she finishes the last 3 acts and the epilogue.

I really love the idea that Lily was the potions genius and that Snape's notes in his book were from his observations of her work. If Lily wasn't the potions genius, why did Slughorn think she was? Plus, Snape loves being praised and held at a higher admiration than others so what would his motivation be to help Lily with her potions or even let her chance a glance at his work?

As for the question as to whether it was his mom's book and that it was her writing; Why would his mom write 'This book is property of the Half-Blood Prince'? We know she was a pureblood. It is very possible and even more probable that Snape's handwriting changed from when he was at Hogwarts as a student to when Harry began at Hogwarts. I know that my handwriting has certainly changed over the years. I agree that levicorpus could have been picked up by any student it that overheard Snape using it (or perhaps he used it on say James or Sirius himself) and caught on from there.

Now, the Unbreakable Vow between Snape and Lily; certainly makes sense from my point of view. I really think that would give Dumbledore an "iron-clad reason" to trust Snape because Snape's only way out of that one is death. I don't think that he's willing to throw away his life in order to betray someone because he wouldn't reap any reward from it. He is a Slytherin, he's an opportunist; he'll only do something if he sees that he's going to get something good out of it for him.

I am with most everyone else about Voldy and having his DE's tag along to Godric's Hollow. I really don't think that he had that large of an audience. Also, I don't think that Snape could have given Dumbledore the head's up that he was going to Godric's Hollow as he wasn't the secret keeper for the Potters. Yes, I do think that Peter was there because he was the secret keeper and in case he lied to Voldy about the Potters, he couldn't escape. It does jive that Snape was there too though because I can't think of any other way that Dumbledore knew what happened that night.

Anyway, it seems that I've gone off a bit (as I usually do)...

cheers,
la femme

HulaGirl!!!! I have to say that is an awesome theory I have not even the words to praise you!!! I think she may have cheated. In potions. I think you may have hit the head on the nail.... But I guess we wont know till JK lets us. (^%^*&@BAHSH)

Although, notasquib2, I dont Agree with you.... Maybe Lily saw it and pulled a sectumsempra on someone, just to see what it did. Nah, highly unlikely.

As for lafemmenissa, Did you ever think of the possibility that Snape wrote that part and not not all the other stuff? It is possible to have similar handwriting, especially if your parents are your teachers. As people age it changes somewhat, sooo, I think it was his mothers book, at least originally. haha. Well it does make sense, I know people who keep books from school.... especailly those who enjoyed it.

Finally all you "SNape loved Lily" shippers, No way

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I don't have my book on me but Lily's reaction could easily be justified by the fact that James's use of the curse is a betrayal of confidence. If a guy liked me I certainly wouldn't expect him to run around a say or do something that I entrusted in him with confidence. I'd hate him for it and it would take me a long time, if ever, for me to forgive him.

Agreed. But, (I don't have my book on me, either!) I seem to remember that Sirius and Lupin, and the things she said when she told him off, hinted at the time that James had been trying to get close to Lily for a while and she wasn't having it because she thought he was too arrogant. It makes me wonder if she would have confided in him at all, at that point. But, who knows? At least from the nonverbal designation in the book we know that Snape wasn't shouting it everywhere.

Anyway, I think the possibility that Lily cheated in Potions is very, very interesting, simply because it draws yet another connection between Harry and his mother, sort of. Intriguing idea, although I hope not!

This is not the typical Lady Lupin editorial by far. I am sorry to say it isn't filled with the normal amounts of great insight that we've come to love from your editorials. HOWEVER, in and among this more fan-fiction based story, I believe you may have hit upon one very important detail.

Based upon the characteristics of Dumbledore, it seems unlikely that it was He who suggested using an Unbreakable vow. Yet, you brought up an excellent point. While Dumbledore may have been against the use of an Unbreakable Vow, who is to say that Lily Wasn't!
It does seem as though The Potters were given a sufficient amount of choice in deciding upon their course of action after Voldemort had marked their family. Remember that they decided against using Dumbledore as their secret keeper, which I'm confident that this didn't go over well with Dumbledore, but He Allowed it because it was their wish. I feel in spite of Dumbledore disagreeing with the use of the Unbreakable Vow, that he would also have yielded if this was the wish of Lily and James.

I really enjoyed reading this, and look forward to the rest, although I agree with all who say this is a little more fan-fic and speculation than I like from the Spinner's End column. I can't believe all of it, or any of it really, because none of it is "fact". I didn't agree with the editorial "Dumbledore's Ironclad Reason", and if you look at the discussion there (or view my most recent posts), you'll see why I thought the Unbreakable Vow between Snape and Dumbledore couldn't have happenned. However, I feel like believing, for some reason, that Snape and Lily might have had an Unbreakable Vow. That seems so much more plausable - even if Lily never liked Snape, and the entire set of circumstances this editorial's story explains are false, this still seems plausable to me. Does that make any sense?

Very true what you said about most teenagers and adults going through at least one time in life when they don't fit in. Made me happy:). Just some people are better at getting over it than others (like Snape really cannot). Anyway, good editorial!

I really like this theory!!!!....it fills in the empty spots...we've been missing!.........i think its plausible!!!...GOOD JOB!!!:clap:

This could possibly prove alot about WHY Snape was forced to make those hard decisions...:tu:

this isn't an editorial, it takes too many creative liberties and it doesn't have a neytral point of view nor does it prove too much, how do we know what Snape really is? We can elaborate on his psyche and explain some chracteristics, but the real onus of this task lies with JK and JK alone.
This is a very different approach but i really expected something more intriguing then this from LadyLupin.Too many articles have been written on Snape as it is, it is getting very annoying now.

The levicorpus became popular probably because Snape had used it on someone. What's the use of knowing curses if you never use them. I know that most of you have proposed Snape for sainthood but since it was common knowledge that Snape knew more dark arts at 11 than most of those attempting NEWT classes, it must follow that he used at least some of the curses he had learnt or invented on other students. Stop giving Snape this aura of martrydom. He was not a nice person to deal with and I'm astounded that people believe there could have been anything between Lily and Snape. Hermione is also kind and thoughtful but when did she ever hob-nob with Draco and show him any particular kindness. The only reason Lily stood up for Snape was to show James that what he was doing was unacceptible to her standards of integrity. Lily already liked James well enough to watch his every move. She had rejected him only because of his sometimes arrogant stances. I'm sure that JK never intended that scene to victimize Snape and put James through a character shredder. I can't understand why one can place Snape above James in morat fibre. Why you have dragged James's character through the mud and exhonorated Snape. It's simply an unacceptible version of things by my book.

Belsito, Bravo!!!!!! I love your thoughts, I too, think nothing between Snape and Lily. What's with all these crazy Shippers?

I had a random Thought though, I'd like feedback... I am re-reading the fifth book, and I had a question about something:
If you look at Jk's style of writing, she emphasizes some words, italisizes (sp?) them.

For example, when Sirius goes with to train station, Malfoy mentions how he'll be "Dogging" Potter. Draco knows about Sirius.
When the trio inquire about Hagrid's dissapearence, Malfoy says maybe he's into something "TOO BIG". The Giants... These are all forshadowments of what's to come.
Anyhoo, I noticed that after Harry has the snake vision, Tonks inquires about the vision on the way to St. Mungo's. She asks Harry is he has any Seer Blood. He says no, but Seer is emphsized the same way... Could this foreshadowment of Harry's future?

I mean they always say a connection between Hp and Lily's eyes... We don't really know much about James past, but more so than Lily's. I'm not saying she made prophicies, but we really don't know anything about her. And seer, after all, does have to do with vision, which directly relates to the eyes... Which there is a huge referral to Harry and his Mum....


...Or do you think it's its just foreshadowment that what he sees (Sirius at the Ministry) is false? ( because he is not a seer, meaning what he sees is not real.)

omg, if jk read your editorial she would rush to her notebooks with Severus' background to check if they were still there... I am truly amazed at how you put all the canon information together to form such an elaborate analysis of Severus' character. You managed to see beyond the scattered pieces that jk left for us regarding Severus. The psychological approach made it even more believable (if there was any need for that...) and brought into focus all the important aspects of Severus' personality (his motivations, his fears, his beliefs, his pains etc etc).
While reading the editorial, very frequently, I had the impression that jk herself had written it and asked you to post it just to taunt us... :elaugh:
I already read the entire editorial, but I'm posting here because in the other thread I would have been surrounded by "evil-Severus" believers... I cannot gather my words to say what part I loved best or why, perhaps because I love every single bit of it (it's actually logical when you think of it, considering that it deals with my favourite character in the Potterverse... :D ).
Keep up the good work, Lady Lupin :clap: ... holding my breath till your next editorial :D

inzuke, very interesting about the italics. You may be onto something. Although I am not one hundred percent certain that Malfoy was talking about Sirius. I believe it more likely that dogging was a reference to Fenrir Greyback or werewolves in general as "too big" was a refernce to the giants. After all Sirius is only of minor concern to Voldemort at this junction, a tool if you will. The werewolves, as the giants, are a weapon of consequence and Malfoy would just love to rub Harry's nose in the fact that he thinks he is in Voldemort's close confidence. As for seer, there was an editorial that claimed that Petunia was a seer. JKR has always been adamant that Petuniawas not a squib, well of course not, she was born of muggle parents. A squib is a non-magical person born of magical parents. Jkr was also adamant that Petunia couldn't do magic. What if there was seer blood somewhere in the Evans family? The full brunt of the magic landed with Lily but what if Petunia was a sensitive, or medium. Not magical enough to make prophecy's and the like but enough to get occasional bursts of otherworldness?

To move onward I do not believe that Dumbledore would ever put someone under a UV. Nor do I believe Lily would either. Nor would anyone in the order that we have met. Maybe Umbridge would but she is not in the order but she is not out for the death eaters either. My position is that Dumbledore was taking advantage of the UV that Voldemort would/may have put on Snape. (For the life of me I don't know why he didn't UV every DE the moment they entered his service but that is another debate) I believe it likely that Snape does know about the Horcruxes (although maybe not the exact numbers) and perhaps helped Voldemort place protections on them (see the editorial about the drink being the draught of living death) Being under a UV Snape cannot tell Dumbledore where or how to destroy the Horcruxes but he is certainly in a position (in fact the only one) that can cure Dumbledore since he will know exactly what the protections are. Hence why Dumbledore insists on Snape after drinking the lake water. A UV is way over the top for Dumbledore but he has shown no aversion to veritaserum. It would be a simple matter to question Snape under a veritaserum to see if his pledge to the order is sincere. He would not be able to tell the order about this for many of the order might take it into there heads to dope Snape, make him spill the truth about the Horcruxes, and, not so incidently kill off a former death eater to boot.

There are some strong theories here, I think. I have always believed that Lily was the inspiration behind the perfect potions, and that Snape may have simply been copying them off of her. I don't really know if he really cared about her in a romantic way-i don't really think that matters. But i think that if she was good at potions, and tried to be nice-he probably respected her. Which is probably a bigger deal to him than being in love. or perhaps he was just using her? we know that he is good at using people, he has successfully played either voldemort or dumbledore. either way. we'll see.

@hulagirl:
Antidotes against Veritaserum exist (Dumbledore tells us so in "A Sluggish Memory"), and Snape of all people would certainly be able to make one. Also, Snape is better at Occlumency than Voldemort is at Legilimency, so he can trick Dumbledore as well.

Regarding Act I: You've got the idea, but the timeline is wrong. According to my interpretation of Snape's worst memory, Snape and Lily were already well acquainted at the time of the scene, and probably had been friends for some time, but their friendship seemed to be cooling as James Potter became more and more a part of Lily's life. This would explain Snape's deepening hatred of James--he was taking away one of the few things that Snape had ever loved. And while I agree that Lily must have taught Snape a lot about potion making (and I think we will find in the end that Harry was partially right about the notes written in the potions book--they were probably written into Snape's book by Lily), you have to remember that Snape was already a very accomplished wizard before even arriving at Hogwarts, and he created many spells of his own. I think their love of potions and their delight in going beyond just what was taught in the classroom was part of what brought them together.

You're interpretation of canon is for the most part in sync with mine, but I do have two major problems with the first section.

1. I disagree with your limiting of Snape's relationship with Lily to only acquaintanceship and your suggestion that Snape only took notes on Lily's work. There are several instances in HBP that hint at a much closer relationship, both socially and academically. Hermione suspects the half-blood prince is a girl because the handwriting is very effeminate. While Snape is undoubtedly the HBP, when placing her full concentration on a problem, Hermione is never completely wrong, and it would we uncharacteristic of Jo to place a red herring just to be never mentioned again. Secondly, the Prince's handwriting is described differently from the way Snape's hand writing is described in Snape's Worst Memory, and Harry is unable to recognize it. Next, in my favorite bit of dramatic irony, Harry claims that Roonil Wazlib is his nickname and then goes on to give the definition of a nickname. He defines it as, 'something your friends call you'. Snape agrees with this assessment, not only foreshadowing the revelation of the Prince's identity, but also suggesting that someone else called him by his penname - someone else who happened to be a friend. To go back to OOTP, if we assume that the awful boy Petunia is talking about is indeed Snape, we must also assume that Snape aand Lily met outside of school. When looking for instances of Snape/Lily, canon implies that Snape and Lily were at the very least friends and cooperated in the making of the potions book.

2. My second disagreement is more opinion based than factual. I will never be able to swallow an unbreakable vow where DD is either the caster or the castee; it's simply OOC for him. DD's greatest strength and greatest weakness are that he's extremely trusting and self-sacrificial; he believes in the power of love over cleverness and strategy. Not only is the unbreakable vow you describe unrealstic, it's also unneccesary to the case you're trying to make. You've pointed out that Snape values power and trust. Trusting Snape without a vow is far more effective than trusting Snape without because of of Snape's take on the world. DD understood that by trusting Snape without reserve or doubt he would be giving Snape something he wanted and ensuring his loyalty.

Don't really agree with the editorial but it is thought provoking (which is the whole reason why I read the editorials, rarely agree with them but the good ones at least lead me in a direction to think about things).

One quibble with your part 2 timeline. The prophecy states that the one would be "...Born to those who have thrice defied him..." (bold is mine). The keyword there is have, not will or is going to or any other future term but a past tense term. Jo said herself that she worded the prophecy very carefully when she wrote it. Therefore Snape couldn't have given information to keep the Potters and Longbottoms safe and lead to their 3 times defiance because the defiance had already happened before "the one" was born. Thats not to say he couldn't have given info during this time, but just not that info.

I don't believe that Harry or his mother are seers. Harry was seeing things either that Voldemort was placing in his brain or that he was seeing through Voldemort's eyes because of the scar connection. Having said that, if Lily really was a seer, she might have been the one who foresaw her own family's destruction (poor Lily!). I'm more likely to believe that than that Snape was watching out for the Potter family. But really, I can't see JK putting this new burden on Harry that he will have to carry all his life - Harry-***-Trelawney - Nah!

To Belsito: I don't think Harry or his mother were seers, I am simply impling there may be more to them than meets the eye. (AHAHAHA)

No really though, JK leaves no emphasized words without explanation. Seer, however in that chapter of St. Mungos, is left with no explanation, Harry doesn't even answer Tonks. I was just throwing it out there to see if anyone had any thoughts on this. Harry and Lily have a connection through their eyes. Jk says this is important. Jk could have called seers anything, this is after all her world...

I'm with you on most of this: especially the early years. But there is one important inconsistency: you have Voldemort agreeing to Imperious Lily, yet we know that doesn't happen. If he'd wanted to do it, he would have done it before asking her to "Step aside".

The running theory (as portrayed in LL editorial) is that Snape convinced Voldemort to Imperio Lilly to work with the Death Eaters in order to save her from her fate. The extension of that theory that LL didn't quite cover is that when Voldemort attepmted to Imeprio Lilly it didn't work. He kept saying stand aside in order to get Lilly to obey the curse command (much like he repeats his order for Harry to bow in the grave yard). Lilly, like Harry, as the remarkable ability to throw off the imperios curse.

In GOF, Imposter Moody exclaims well done to Potter when he throws of the curse and notes to the rest of the class, "We'll do it again, watch the eyes, that's where it is" (paraphased - do not have actual text with me). Many speculate that since it is something in the eyes that allows one to throw off the Imperious curse, and since Lilly and Harry have the same eyes, that this is the connection and significance to Harry's eyes with his mother.

Voldemort, realizing that Lilly is able to throw off the curse, determines that she will not be useful as Severus suggested and kills her. I'm a believer of the theory and think it likely that the Imperius resistance is the connection between Lilly and Harry's eyes.

Great editorial! I love that you wrote it in stroy form, it made it more enjoyable to read. I don't think it too fanficky and much of what you have presented is just as plausible as some of the more out there conclusions I've read in other editorials.

Excellent essay, as always - plausible, well written, thought provoking.

The one part that doesn't seem right to me is the way you portray Lily and Severus as students in Potions class, with Lily being creative, inventive and intuitive while Snape merely copies her ideas into his notebook.

I think we should give Snape more credit than this. The margins in the Half-Blood Prince's copy of Advanced Potion Making are crammed full with invented spells and original ideas. It seems likely to me that these are the product of Snape's own efforts and aren't borrowed from other students.

I'm not saying that Lily wasn't a very bright and capable student in her own right - throughout the six books, her abilities are praised in many ways by many characters - but Slughorn is the only person who ever mentions Lily and Potions in the same sentence. In contrast, Snape's Potions skills are mentioned often and by numerous people. In fact (although rather cleverly hidden by JKR) Slughorn himself seems to rate Snape's Potions abilities above all others (in "The Unbreakable Vow" chapter, while speaking to Sybill Trelawny at his Christmas party) :

"... I don't think I've ever known such a natural at Potions!" said Slughorn, regarding Harry with a fond, if bloodshot eye. "Instinctive, you know - like his mother! I've only ever taught a few with this kind of ability, I can tell you that, Sybill - why, even Severus -"

Then shortly afterwards, with his arm around Snape's shoulders :

"You should have seen what he gave me, first lesson, the Draught of Living Death - never had a student produce finer on a first attempt. I don't think even you, Severus -"

So in my mind, I see Severus the student extending help to Lily, proudly showing her a few potions tips that he's come up with himself to try to impress her, as a way to be near to her and to talk to her. Perhaps she passed one or two of these brilliant ideas off as her own - when forced into a corner - and thus gained her reputation with Slughorn in this manner. The parallel with her son is just too convincing.

That was awesome! loved it, havent read one that good in months! yay... very excited. I loved the fan-fiction-y style of it. fun to read.
am hoping the next bits are as good.
snape is such a mystery and i love reading anything about him!
i think its all plausible and very close to wat jo has planned. but im always scared when i think this cos i dont want the surprise spoiled!

wannagoballwime, an editorial isn't supposed to have a neutral view. It's arguing a point.

While her guesses about the general outline of Snape's life in the backstory of the series would be pretty much the same as my guesses, I don't find her hypothesis of an Unbreakable Vow between Snape and Lily, for which Dumbledore was the bonder, convincing, for a few reasons.

First, I think James gets written out of the backstory too much this way-Dumbledore's explanation for why Snape saved Harry in PS/SS is more or less a lie, under her explanation. Second, because Snape refusing to continue Occlumency lessons in OotP would be a violation of the terms of the Vow as she has formulated them, since he was disobeying Dumbledore's orders in so doing. And third, because I think choices are a major theme in the series, and Snape's choices have been interesting. If we learn they were forced by a magical Vow throughout the series, especially one he took under duress, (swear it, or go to Azkaban for a lifetime with Dementors) I feel it will detract from the story. I also don't think Dumbledore would go for something this restrictive, involuntary, and permanent, it goes against what seem to be his principles.

I loved this editorial! Mostly I liked the way you got into Snape's psyche so convincingly. I feel that if he did have feeling for Lily I would draw the same conculsions as to what or how Snape would have rationalized his feelings. Also an excellent job as to describing how those feeling for Lily and James are projected on to Harry. Which I believe would be the same with or without the UV.
I agree with the last reply I don't think the UV was used in this instance. I believe that when Dumbledore says to Harry that when being so clever his mistakes tend to be bigger, I felt that was a direct hint as to Snape's loyalities. Snape, as this editorial illustrates so well is purely out for himself. Dumbledore really never alludes to knowing or suspecting this, if he does, if any one out there knows where I would love to hear about it.
I also agree with the last reply in that James is written out of the backstory too much. Why would JKR gives us a view of James and Lily before they fell in love if the reason they fell in love was not so important to the plot line of the back story? In Ootp she spends a good about of time on Harry's feelings about the whole situation,which has given rise to us all theorizing about how there romance came to be. I have a feeling it has something to do with Snape. Or what Snape does to Lily in addition to calling her a mudblood. But this is all speculation and I have gotten off my point. I think in book seven we are going to get alot of backstory to fill in some of the gaps we are all trying to explain here. Also this theory leaves out Wormtail's involument which to me is a major gap right now in the plot! I have a gut feeling he and Snape have been involved in this scheme together for quite awhile unknown to Dumbledore. Why is it that wormtail is never even implicated and everyone so easily believes that Sirius has betrayed his best friend? Well I have rambled on quite a lot but these are my burning questions that this editorial still hasn't really satified. Of course only JKR can really do that. On to reading the second half of the editiorial!

Lady Lupin,
I thought this was a great, and very readable editorial.
What I particularly liked is that you found a plausible scenario for Snape copying Lily's work in potions. Ever since JK mentioned that it was easy to copy the work of another in potions, I have been certain that either Lily copied from Snape or that Snape copied from Lily, since they were in the same year and were both very good at potions.

I like this editorial very much, most parts of it are very convincing. However, I agree with everyone who says that it is unlikely that the UV was used by Dumbledore. Dubledore trusts people, he doesn't tell them "do what I tell you or else you'll be dead", which is pretty much what the UV is about. In my opinion, the fact that they are trusted by Dumbledore seems tho mean a lot to people (look at Lupon in PA "Dumbledore's trust has meant everything to me..." (sorry I don't have the exact page numbre)). I think that Dubledore would know that by TRUSTING Snape he could be sure of his loyality because it is something that Voldemort would never do. I think all he did was ensuring that Snape gave his word of honour to Lily and to himself.
Yes , I think it very likely that Snape had romantic feelings towards Lily. I even thought of an other thing, could he have visited Lily in the summer holidays and be observed by Petunia? Remember that she mentioned an awful boy that told Lily about the dementors. I thought at the time that this was probably James, but it seems much more likely that it was Severus because he would think it a fascinating subject. We know how he speeks of the dark arts and I think it could have made an impression on Petunia. I know, this sounds a bit like too much but one never knows...

I don't know if Lady Lupin views this thread in any way, but if she does I must tell her that I absolutely loved this editorial. It really intelligently brought together all the theories and ideas floating around about Snape in a way that made perfect sense. I love how it took the Snape loves Lily theory and made it plausible. Snape just doesn't seem like the type of guy to have a head over heels obsession over someone, more like the type that grudgingly would have wanted to, but quickly compartmentalized his feelings when it was clear that it would never happen. I loved how it eluded to the fact that Dumbledore's Iron Clad Reason was simply an Unbreakable Vow. Snape is not out for anyone but himself, thats the true nature of a double agent or spy. The only way Dumbledore could absolutely trust someone like Snape is with something like a Unbreakable Vow. Dumbledore is just way too smart to say, "well you know, he kinda had a crush on Lily at the age of 16 so its all good." The theory that Snape loved Lily alone was just not enough for me as an iron clad reason of trust. In my opinion that's just not enough for Dumbledore. I dunno, I really liked the editorial and I just wanted to mention that.

Question: If you are correct in your speculation that Snape knew it was Trelawny who made the prediction, wouldn't he have relayed that to Voldemort? In turn, wouldn't Voldemort have tried to capture Trelawny in order to hear the entire prophecy from her (thereby negating the need to go to the Department of Mysteries in OotP?) Also, you say you are open to constructive criticism, please forgive mine: your earlier editorials are enjoyable; however, they are a bit verbose as of late and hard to get through - sorry!

:cool: I thought your editorial was brilliant and fun to read. Thank you.

u may say it is a fan fiction but.......... thing is its really good..........:tu: .

but it was very speculative in nature :no: there lot of if's and but's as there is no evidence for wat ya say but nevertheless its very intereting read...........:love:

Amazing work :wow: Looks like a fanfiction but everything (or almost) seems very credible... It's a bit complex (like the character^^), I spent almost an hour to read it to make sure I had understood, but I think that a lot of things may be true !! I loved the character of Snape because of his mystery and everything but NOW I read this editorial I love him even more :love:

Yea between this one and Severus Severed I think Snape is good. We obviously still need to know a little bit more about him, like why Albus trusted him, but i'm convinced. I never thought about Snape making an Unbreakable Vow with Lily, that's really creative! I think it is also really likley that they did make one though. I also like that theory that when they were on top of the Astronomy tower and Dumbledore said "Severus, please", he was begging Snape not to kill Harry. When you look at it from Snape's perspective, even if you don't think he made an Unbreakable with Lily, you have to feel sorry for the slimeball. Another great job Lady Lupin!

some thing caught my attention in the movie prisoner of azkaban. only really thought this was relevent because jo said her self that somethings in that movie will give hints to future books. theres a scene where harry ron and hermione are about to be attacked by werewolf lupin and snape throws his arms out to protect them all almost as if by reflex. think about it.