gyllyweed June 25th, 2007, 2:48 am DD letting Hagrid fetch Harry happened twice. It was Hagrid that pulled Harry from the rubble of the house in Godrics' Hollow.
I stiill think it is more that coincidence that JKR would make a major statment in a character introduction like that, then re-enforce it a few times (fetching Harry twice & the stone). I think JKR has made it clear that Hagrid is a trustworthy friend to DD. I think she is going somewhere with it.
missypotter June 25th, 2007, 4:46 am I think it was just a comment of trust. A lot of people look down on Hagrid and don't trust him with the important things. I think Dumbledore was just making it clear that he would trust Hagrid with anything and that he values him as a person and trusts him.
Obviously it can't mean anything now as Hagrid did not have an opportunity to save Dumbledore.
gyllyweed June 26th, 2007, 8:49 pm I don't think that this comment is limited to just Dumbledores life. Or life itself. I think the fact that DD would trust Hagrid with something as important as his own life, is a statment that is meant to show the reader that he is extremely trustworthy. I think that that fact is the foreshadowing. DD has entrustedd him with something vital in DH.
TreacleFudge June 27th, 2007, 12:10 am I don't think that this comment is limited to just Dumbledores life. Or life itself. I think the fact that DD would trust Hagrid with something as important as his own life, is a statment that is meant to show the reader that he is extremely trustworthy. I think that that fact is the foreshadowing. DD has entrustedd him with something vital in DH.
I never thought of that before! That's really interesting gyllyweed.
I just thought that it was because DD knows what Hagrid has been through and how much Hagrid values DD....Almost what you could say about DD trusting Snape....
Sorry about getting off topic!:p
gyllyweed June 28th, 2007, 9:18 pm I just thought that it was because DD knows what Hagrid has been through and how much Hagrid values DD....Almost what you could say about DD trusting Snape....
Ahhh, Hagrid and Snape.....
I think u are right in a way. The difference between Dumbledores' trust of Hagrid, and DD's trust of Snape is that DD straight up tells us that he trusts Hagrid emensly.
Snape however, we are left to wonder about. (A good read, thank you JKR for the mystery!)
_fairy_dust_ June 28th, 2007, 9:43 pm I think it was just a comment of trust. A lot of people look down on Hagrid and don't trust him with the important things. I think Dumbledore was just making it clear that he would trust Hagrid with anything and that he values him as a person and trusts him.
Obviously it can't mean anything now as Hagrid did not have an opportunity to save Dumbledore.
Yeah, Hagrid was never really given a chance because everyone looked down on him... He got expelled from Hogwarts and everything and Dumbledore obviously saw that Hagrid is actually trustworthy, cuddly and great :D and so he gave him the chance that no one else gave him...
witchygurl June 28th, 2007, 10:01 pm I think this statement is kind of forshadowing how Hagrid is trusted getting the stone, and he says how Dumbledore trusts him, and the whole thing in book two where Hagrid was carted off to Azkaban; even though no one else had wanted to give Hagrid a chance Dumbledore did.
Maybe it is not reffering to Hagrid specifically, but this could be forshadowing that even though Dumbledore is very trusting, he trusts the right people. Meaning that, similarly to Hagrid, no one believes Snape, but since Dumbledore does, Snape actually deserves to be trusted. Or, if Hagrid turns out to be evil, it could be the other way around. But that is unlikely
ally62442 June 28th, 2007, 10:49 pm JkR has already said Dumbledore is dead and i think it's gonna stay that way. I think that Dumbledore said he would trust Hagrid with his life because he was astablishing his trust in him. I think its nothing more than a powerful choice of words.
gyllyweed June 28th, 2007, 11:50 pm JkR has already said Dumbledore is dead and i think it's gonna stay that way.
I don't think that this quote is refering to DDs life specifically, just that he trusts Hagrid with something important.
ArgusFilch June 29th, 2007, 1:20 am Yes, this doesn't have anything to do with Dumbledore being dead at all. But i think it could be more than coincidence. If you read the first couple of books, you can see the foreshadowing to events that happen in the later ones...its kind of strange rereading the first books.
muchXmoreXmacho June 29th, 2007, 1:25 am Yeah, I agree, she wouldn't have thrown such a huge statement in there for nothing. It's a big deal to say "I trust so-and-so with my life" because it's a really big bond you make there between two people, and relationships like that aren't always so easy to find. DD has definitely proved this statement true, when he entrusted Hagrid to get Harry, etc. So, while I never thought about it this way before, this statement could definitely have been foreshadowing something. I really like this idea.
gyllyweed June 29th, 2007, 10:36 pm DD has trusted Hagrid with fetching Harry from the wreckage of the house, fetching him from the Dursleys, getting the stone, playing bodygaurd in Diagon alley in HBP. The trio have seen/know all of this. I wouldn't put it past Hermy to put it together. Or the other two.
gyllyweed July 2nd, 2007, 3:29 am I was looking at one of the versions of the coverart for DH, the one where Harry, Ron and Hermione are practically flying over mounds of gold with something on Harry's back. At first I thought that is was the room of requirement, but then noticed most of it is treasure. SO I really think that it is a vault at Gringotts.
I have thought that the trio will have to go back to Gringotts, why else tell us about further security the vaults have (getting sucked in). I am convinced that the scene depicted in the cover is at Gringotts.
Ok, What does this have to do with DD's trust in Hagrid you ask?
Well, DD trusted Hagrid to go to Gringotts before. Hagrid says he trusts him with stuff a lot. Hagrid had been to Gringotts before. Sooooooooo, maybe Hagrid knows a little more about Gringotts, OR what is in it.
troryfan July 2nd, 2007, 6:42 pm Hagrid didn't seem to have much to do with Dumbledores death, soi am not certain.
However, the fact that Dumbledore would trust Hagrid with Harrys life, shows that there is a great amount of trust between them.
Jo
rainie_hp July 2nd, 2007, 7:09 pm I think it is more than just a matter of trust, some lines in the books look simple but they are very important, and a line expressing extreme emotion such as this, has to play an important role. We know Hagrid reveals a lot but only when asked again and again. But maybe there are somethings that Harry hasn't asked him yet...and though Hagrid always wanted Harry to get info from Dumbledore, he sometimes revealed it to them anyway. And now that Dumbledore isn't here, Hagrid has already revealed convo b/w Snape and Dumbledore. Who knows, maybe Hagrid knows a lot more than one could imagine? I mean Hagrid looks like an oaf, to people like Malfoy and maybe even useless to others, and he seems like a person that Dumbledore would least trust his secrets with since he talks and accidentally reveals a lot more than he should. But notice the fact that you have to push Hagrid to extremes to make him talk, Quirrell/LV had to get him drunk whereas the trio had to either trick him or push him to say something about the stone. There is definitely something going on b/w Hagrid and Dumbledore. He knows more than he shows.
gyllyweed July 8th, 2007, 4:30 am Maybe the trio will have to get something out of Hagrid. I favor the idea that Hagrid knows something, and the trio comes across something, then goads Hagrid in divulging (sorry spelling) something he may or may not realize is important.
sllagnire July 8th, 2007, 1:37 pm Maybe the trio will have to get something out of Hagrid. I favor the idea that Hagrid knows something, and the trio comes across something, then goads Hagrid in divulging (sorry spelling) something he may or may not realize is important.
I definitely agree that Hagrid knows something. He has given the kids clues before, and I'm sure that he will be more than willing to help them more now that Dumbldore is gone.
However, I don't see "I would trust Hagrid with my life" as foreshadowing. I just think it was to show the complete faith in Hagrid and to show that you don't have to be the best or most pure in order for you to be good and worthy of Dumbledore's trust. It sheds light a bit on both Dumbledore and Hagrid's characters.
allegro July 8th, 2007, 3:00 pm I haven't been visiting this forum for quite a long time but I'm still interested in HP series.
I remember reading somewhere (don't bash me for not giving you an exact quote but I have a month old baby and not much time for searching) that Jo said (asked about if the fact that Hagrid is a keeper of keys was meaningful) he wasn't that meaningful like we may think. But as the last word isn't no longer "scar"... who knows.
I think that Hagrid's memory from the forest in the sixth book can be put into the pensieve and he can be 'the keeper of the keys' somehow. But I think Dumbledore's dead...
Into_The_Maze July 8th, 2007, 3:07 pm I don't know, I think it was more foreshadowing the second book, to tell us not to believe that Hagrid opened the Chamber of Secrets.
charmed100 July 8th, 2007, 3:13 pm This is one of those statements that is either a key part of the book or something that is said in passing and every one jumps on :lol:
I think that trust is a big theme with Dumbledore. He obviously trusted Hagrid a lot and sets that out at an early stage. I have to say I think this is only foreshadowing in as much as it is showing us that Dumbledore trust Hagrid, while a lot of other people do not think he is capable of such tasks.
I do think though that this scene sets the mood for future storied Dumbledore has always trusted Hagrid to carry out important tasks.
Hagrid rescued Harry, Hagrid was the one sent to teach Harry about Hogwarts, Hagrid was the person sent to claim the PS. Hagrid was also the only non teacher to be involved in protecting the stone. Hagrid is sent to the giants and I’m sure there are other examples through out the books.
Therefore I believe if Dumbledore had left something behind he felt it was important for Harry to have such as a pensive. Hagrid would definitely be one of the people he would trust with it.
However I do not believe that there is anyway for Dumbledore to come back, as one he never feared death he thought 'there are worse thing than death' and so I dont think that Hagrid will have anything linked into that theory. Although you could easly say it was forshadowing of the funeral as it was Hagrid that carried the body.
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