Little Questions Answered v8

Or could it be that you don't need a wand to break the curse?

Or could it be that you don't need a wand to break the curse?

My theory is that it is better for your health if you doesn`t use a wand for destroying a horcrux. Harry didn`t do, he used the fang of the basilisk. But because we only know two horcruxes and their way of destroying it isn`t sure.

Maybe it did - do we know that he still uses the same wand?

Well we don't know that it is changed either because if his wand to would have changed then Harry would have noticed seeing that he had seen Dumbledore use his wand a number of times before and in HBP as well. ;)

And I had a question regarding imperius curse and it acting as a stimulant that enhances the ability of a person. Now in GoF we have seen all the students perform extraordinary feats that they wouldn't have been able to perform whilst in their full senses, we see Neville performing Gymnastics that were not possible for him to perform under normal circumstances. So my question was if that is the case then can people like Neville who are not so good at performing magic can do better under the action of imperius curse or is it just limited to physical activities? :eyebrows:

My theory is that it is better for your health if you doesn`t use a wand for destroying a horcrux. Harry didn`t do, he used the fang of the basilisk. But because we only know two horcruxes and their way of destroying it isn`t sure.
Good theory Annett. There could be a defense against wand used magic.
I always thought that he held it in his hand and it did something like exploding, because it recognised that he was trying to break the curse.



And I had a question regarding imperius curse and it acting as a stimulant that enhances the ability of a person. Now in GoF we have seen all the students perform extraordinary feats that they wouldn't have been able to perform whilst in their full senses, we see Neville performing Gymnastics that were not possible for him to perform under normal circumstances. So my question was if that is the case then can people like Neville who are not so good at performing magic can do better under the action of imperius curse or is it just limited to physical activities? :eyebrows:
People can perform better under certain circumstances, ie having a better reaction when they have a higher adrenalin level or they can do incredible things when under hypnosis. In general is the human body able to do more than we always think. And as imperius is kind of hypnosis the victim can do physically more than expected. However, in case of knowledge it's something else. You get your informations from things that are saved somewhere in your brain. So when you never learned it then you are never able to get back at this informations. Informations you learned and forgot are collable. (like when you remember forgotten things under hypnosis).

OK, this sound as if I know what I'm talking about. But that's not true, it's just an assumption. :p

I always thought that he held it in his hand and it did something like exploding

Dumbledore can't be that thick. :p

OK, this sound as if I know what I'm talking about. But that's not true, it's just an assumption

Your assumptions are very good. :tu:

Well we don't know that it is changed either because if his wand to would have changed then Harry would have noticed seeing that he had seen Dumbledore use his wand a number of times before and in HBP as well. ;)

Good point mysterious. Jo usually shows us the important things. Therefore I´m with you, if we haven`t seen Dumbledore using an other wand he hasn`t a new one.

Good theory Annett. There could be a defense against wand used magic.
I always thought that he held it in his hand and it did something like exploding, because it recognised that he was trying to break the curse.


Thanks Tenshi!
If Dumbledore held the horcrux in his hand, he would use his left if he had a wand in the other. We saw Dumbledore usually use his right. Therefore it should be his left who was injured. This means he hadn`t used his wand and hold the horcrux or the protection backfired to his wand hand.

can i ask a little question thats off topic? whats canon and canon shipping... sorry if its a naive question

can i ask a little question thats off topic? whats canon and canon shipping... sorry if its a naive question
It's not off-topic if it relates to HP shipping. 'Canon' is informationd derived from authoritiative sources. In HP-discussions, the novels are canon. Most people would include JKR's statments, interviews and website postings as canon. Also the two aupplemental books she did for charity (Quidditch through the Ages and Fantastic Beasts) are usually included. There is a large amount of other ideas which have been talked about so much that people just 'know' they must be true, but have no authoritative support. 'Canon-shipping' would appear to mean romances which are supported by authority, like Harry/Cho in OOTP, and Harry/Ginny in HBP, but not those that people only speculate on without real evidence, such as Filch/Pince.

It's not off-topic if it relates to HP shipping. 'Canon' is informationd derived from authoritiative sources. In HP-discussions, the novels are canon. Most people would include JKR's statments, interviews and website postings as canon. Also the two aupplemental books she did for charity (Quidditch through the Ages and Fantastic Beasts) are usually included. There is a large amount of other ideas which have been talked about so much that people just 'know' they must be true, but have no authoritative support. 'Canon-shipping' would appear to mean romances which are supported by authority, like Harry/Cho in OOTP, and Harry/Ginny in HBP, but not those that people only speculate on without real evidence, such as Filch/Pince.

Awesome thanks for that! (for the record its my bday and i got quidditch through the ges and fantastic beasts today, i was so excited because they are hard to come by in New Zealand!)

Awesome thanks for that! (for the record its my bday and i got quidditch through the ges and fantastic beasts today, i was so excited because they are hard to come by in New Zealand!)
Happy b'day! Those are really fun books, full of both information and silliness. For fanfic writing they are invaluable toward adding very authentic details that are outside the novels.

Happy b'day! Those are really fun books, full of both information and silliness. For fanfic writing they are invaluable toward adding very authentic details that are outside the novels.

hehe thanks.. yeah i started reading them as soon as i opened them, i love it how there is writing all through them :) the first thing i did was look up what a kneazle was lol.

If Dumbledore held the horcrux in his hand, he would use his left if he had a wand in the other. We saw Dumbledore usually use his right. Therefore it should be his left who was injured. This means he hadn`t used his wand and hold the horcrux or the protection backfired to his wand hand.

Some excellent points Annet. :tu:

for the record its my bday

:birthday:

thanks mysterious! and this post should take me into second year... :D YAY

So, if the protection backfired into his wand hand then it is a lot like the AK backfired at Voldemort?!

So, if the protection backfired into his wand hand then it is a lot like the AK backfired at Voldemort?!

That is an excellent point, the wand was not damaged, so we can safely assume that whilst performing magic the person can get injured but not the wand. :tu:

Okay now taking my imperius question (http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=4190607&postcount=1003) (which Tenshi has answered very well) a bit further, I would like to question as to why didn't the Ministry take the accused Death Eaters under custody? My point is as Tenshi pointed in her post (http://www.cosforums.com/showpost.php?p=4190631&postcount=1004)that a person can perform only those magical activities that they are aware of whilst under the influence of an imperius curse, so my question is that why weren't those Death Eaters, who claimed that they were under the imperius curse (whilst they imperuized or tortured or killed others), taken under custody because a person can perform magical activities which they are aware of (under the action of imperius curse). Implying that they must have known or used those spells earlier before the claimed control by the Dark Lord? I mean only those people could have performed an Unforgivable curse under the imperius curse who had performed it before and the use of unforgivable curse is enough to earn a life sentence in Azkaban so why weren't they (the Death Eaters) put into Azkaban? :huh:

So, if the protection backfired into his wand hand then it is a lot like the AK backfired at Voldemort?!

Not necessarily. If the protection was set to injure everybody who tries to brake the enchantments with a wand than it isn`t like AK because it does what it should do. If the same charm rebounds from something like a shield and should backfire to the caster, than it works like AK.

Edit: @ mysterious:
I can see only two reasons why the Ministry didn`t arrest the casters of Unforgivable Curses. First is that the Ministry isn`t aware of this connection. The second is that you can do things under Imperius you can`t normally do. Sorry for that but we don`t know all the rules Jo makes up for her world.

The second is that you can do things under Imperius you can`t normally do.

That was my previous question which Tenshi had answered to great precision, although what she said was her assumption but they made sense. So my next question came up, as to why didn't the ministry find the link. ;)

Hagrid and Snape are described as having black colored eyes. According to Google this is possible, but I've never heard of it before. Is this extremely rare or what?

Hagrid and Snape are described as having black colored eyes. According to Google this is possible, but I've never heard of it before. Is this extremely rare or what?

I think that JKR just used that as a literary device. Though it is entirely possible that it is just a rarity of the world, or that wizard's are more likely to have black eyes.

Hagrid and Snape are described as having black colored eyes. According to Google this is possible, but I've never heard of it before. Is this extremely rare or what?
From what I can find on the internet, it depends on your ethnicity. One site talks about all pure blood Koreans having black eyes. I was trying to find a site that gives percentages of people on the planet with different eye colors, but have failed. Maybe someone else can be of more help.

Yes, it is possible to have black-colored eyes. I --and my whole family-- have black-colored eyes. Most Koreans, Chinese, Indians (I said, most, not all) have black-colored eyes, just as Artemis_Fowl_2 said. But people argue that there's nothing such as 'black-colored eyes,' according to them it's really dark brown, but I disagree. :)

It is rare if you're basing that statement in consideration of the whole world population, but not that rare in the mentioned countries.

Was Ginny a prefect, I can't remember Rowling saying anything about it, but I could be wrong.

Was Ginny a prefect, I can't remember Rowling saying anything about it, but I could be wrong.

Hmmmm....I don't have my copy of HBP handy right now.*runs off to HPL*

Edit:According to the lexicon she wasn't and Steve is about as thorough as it gets so I don't think she was

No she wasn't, strangely enough. I don't recall it being mentioned.

Hagrid and Snape are described as having black colored eyes. According to Google this is possible, but I've never heard of it before. Is this extremely rare or what?

Like MR said that almost ever Indian and Chinese has black eyes and seeing that every 1 out of 3 person in the world is Indian or Chinese therefore the approx %age can be 40% which is a big amount and can be called as common. ;)

And for reference as to which character has which eye color you can check out this thread---> Character Eye Colors Related to Personality (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=85625).

Was Ginny a prefect

No she wasn't made a prefect. :no:

I was just wondering if a ghost is the imprint of a soul and Voldemort's soul has been split into 7 parts, will that mean if he chose to he would come back as 7 ghosts or 7 bits of one ghost?

I was just wondering if a ghost is the imprint of a soul and Voldemort's soul has been split into 7 parts, will that mean if he chose to he would come back as 7 ghosts or 7 bits of one ghost?

Well the only way Voldemort could become a ghost is if he were first killed, and all of his horcruxes must be destroyed before he can be killed, which means there would only be one seventh of his soul left for the ghost to be an imprint of.

Well the only way Voldemort could become a ghost is if he were first killed, and all of his horcruxes must be destroyed before he can be killed, which means there would only be one seventh of his soul left for the ghost to be an imprint of.

I agree, the other bits of soul of Voldemort are just moving on and not staying behind, so when it comes down for the last bit in his body to decide whether he has to move on or not, then it would only be his last piece of soul that would be able to remain behind. ;)

Well the only way Voldemort could become a ghost is if he were first killed, and all of his horcruxes must be destroyed before he can be killed, which means there would only be one seventh of his soul left for the ghost to be an imprint of.

But surely we can assume that a person dieing with his soul intact would result in a similar set of curcumstances as a horcrux being destroyed and the same with the final bit of Voldemort's soul.

But surely we can assume that a person dieing with his soul intact would result in a similar set of curcumstances as a horcrux being destroyed and the same with the final bit of Voldemort's soul.

That is true, that is why we can safely assume that only the last bit of Voldemort's soul will count for becoming a ghost, not the one's which are inside a Horcrux. ;)

That is true, that is why we can safely assume that only the last bit of Voldemort's soul will count for becoming a ghost, not the one's which are inside a Horcrux.

Yeah good point and I suppose it is only logical that his intelligence (which I guess would be needed for coming back as a ghost) can only be attached to one part as well?

Evening Ladies and Gents. New user, greetings to you all.

One of my friends collects obscure Harry Potter book translations and I plan on buying as obscure a translation as I can find. I could spend ages perusing Google, but I thought I'd come straight on here and ask the experts - you! :) Now I have had a look on Amazon so I know of the Latin, Ancient Greek translations et al, but are there any *really obscure* ones? Aboriginal? Eskimo (Inuit) ? :d Any help gratefully received :)

i think there are all kinds of translations we have never even heard of....i bet they are bound to come out with one in elvish (from lord of the rings) or even huttese (from star wars) even though huttese is highly unlikley yet i think elvish is likely yet funny

Evening Ladies and Gents. New user, greetings to you all.

One of my friends collects obscure Harry Potter book translations and I plan on buying as obscure a translation as I can find. I could spend ages perusing Google, but I thought I'd come straight on here and ask the experts - you! :) Now I have had a look on Amazon so I know of the Latin, Ancient Greek translations et al, but are there any *really obscure* ones? Aboriginal? Eskimo (Inuit) ? :d Any help gratefully received :)There are currently 66 Harry Potter translations to choose from.

1. Afrikaans, South Africa: Human & Rousseau (pty) Ltd., translated by Janie Oosthuysen
2. Albanian, Albania: Publishing House Dituria, translated by Amik Kasoruho
3. American English, United States: Arthur A. Levine Books
4. Arabic, Egypt: Nahdet Misr
5. Basque, Spain: Ediciones Salamandra / Elkarlanean, translated by Iñaki Mendiguren (I-IV)
6. Bengali, Bangladesh: Ankur Prakashani
7. Bulgarian, Bulgaria: Egmont Bulgaria, translated by Mariana Melnishka (I-IV), Emiliya L. Maslarova (V-VI)
8. Catalan, Spain: Editorial Empúries, translated by Laura Escorihuela (I-IV), Marc Alcega (IV), Xavier Pàmies (V-VI)
9. Chinese, People's Republic of China (Simplified Characters): People's Literature Publishing House, translated by Su Nong (I) (苏农), Ma Aixin (II, IV, V) (马爱新), Zheng Xumi (III) (郑须弥), Ma Ainong (V) (马爱农), and Cai Wen (V) (蔡文)
10. Chinese, Taiwan (Traditional Chinese Characters): Crown Publishing Company Ltd, translated by Peng Chien-Wen (彭倩文; Peng Qianwen)
11. Croatian, Croatia: Algoritam, translated by Zlatko Crnković (I-III), Dubravka Petrović (IV-VI)
12. Czech, Czech Republic: Albatros, translated by Vladimír Medek (I, II, IV), Pavel Medek (III, V, VI)
13. Danish, Denmark: Gyldendal, translated by Hanna Lützen (all 6 so far)
14. Dutch, Netherlands and Belgium: Standaard /Uitgeverij De Harmonie (I-V), translated by Wiebe Buddingh'
15. English (non-UK editions, no translations): Australia, Allen & Unwin Pty Ltd (Distributor); Canada, Bloomsbury/Raincoast; South Africa, Jonathan Ball Publishers (Distributors)
16. Estonian, Estonia: Varrak Publishers, translated by Krista and Kaisa Kaer
17. Faroese, Faroe Islands: Bokadeild Foroya Laerarafelags, translated by Gunnar Hoydal (I-III), Malan Háberg (IV)
18. Finnish, Finland: Tammi, translated by Jaana Kapari (all 6 so far)
19. French, France, Canada, Belgium, and others: Gallimard Jeunesse [1], translated by Jean-François Ménard (all 6 so far, plus the 2 "school books)
20. Galician (Galego), Spain: Ediciones Salamandra, translated by Marilar Aleixandre
21. Georgian, Georgia: Bakur Sulakauri Publishing, translated by Manana Antadze (I), Davit Gabunia (II, III) and Ketevan Kanchashvili (IV, VI forthcoming)
22. German, Germany: Carlsen Verlag, translated by Klaus Fritz (all 6 so far)
23. Low German, Germany: Verlag Michael Jung, translated by Hartmut Cyriacks, Peter Nissen et al
24. Greek (modern), Greece: Psicholgios Publications, translated by Máia Roútsou (book I); Kaíti Oikonómou (book II-V)
25. Greek (ancient): Bloomsbury, translated by Andrew Wilson, NPR interview
26. Greenlandic, Greenland: Atuakkiorfik Greenland Publishers, translated by Stephen Hammeken
27. Gujarati, India: Manjul Publishing House Pvt. Ltd., translated by Jagruti Trivedi and Harish Nayak
28. Hebrew, Israel: Books in the Attic Ltd. / Miskal, translated by Gili Bar-Hillel (All 6 so far)
29. Hindi, India: Manjul Publishing House Pvt. Ltd., translated by Sudhir Dixit (I-IV)
30. Hungarian, Hungary: Animus Publishing, translated by Tóth Tamás Boldizsár (all 6 so far)
31. Icelandic, Iceland: Bjartur, translated by Helga Haraldsdóttir (I-V) and Jón Hallur Stefánsson (V)
32. Indonesian, Indonesia: Penerbit PT Gramedia Pustaka Utama, translated by Listiana Srisanti (I-V)
33. Irish: Bloomsbury, translated by Máire Nic Mhaoláin, released October 4, 2004 (I)
34. Italian, Italy: Adriano Salani Editore, translated by Marina Astrologo (I-II), Beatrice Masini (III-V) and illustrated by Serena Riglietti
35. Japanese, Japan: Say-zan-sha Publications Ltd., translated by Yuko Matsuoka
36. Khmer, Cambodia: University of Cambodia Press, translated by Un Tim [2]
37. Korean, Korea: Moonhak Soochup Publishing Co., translated by Kim Hye-won (I-IV), Inja Choe (V)
38. Latin: Bloomsbury, translated by Peter Needham
39. Latvian, Latvia: Jumava, translated by Ingus Josts (I-VI), Ieva Kolmane (IV-VI), Sabīne Ozola (V), Māra Poļakova (V)
40. Lithuanian, Lithuania: Alma Littera Company Limited, translated by Zita Marienė (all 6 so far)
41. Macedonian, Republic of Macedonia: Publishing House Kultura
42. Marathi, India: Manjul Publishing House Pvt. Ltd., translated by Shukla Vikas
43. Malay, Malaysia: Pelangi Books
44. Malayalam, India: Manjul Publishing House Pvt. Ltd., translated by Dr. Radhika C. Nair
45. Norwegian, Norway: N.W. Damm & Son A.S., translated by Torstein Bugge Høverstad (all 6 so far)
46. Persian, Iran: Vidaa Slamiyeh [3]/Ghazal, translated by Saeed Kebriyaee (I), Nahid (I-V)
47. Polish, Poland: Media Rodzina of Poznań, translated by Andrzej Polkowski (all 6 so far)
48. Portuguese, Portugal: Editorial Presença, translated by Isabel Fraga (I), Isabel Nunes and Manuela Madureira
49. Portuguese, Brazil: Editora Rocco Ltda. Editora Rocco Ltda., translated by Lia Wyler
50. Romanian, Romania: Egmont Romania, translated by Ioana Iepureanu
51. Russian, Russia: Rosman Publishing, translated by Igor W. Oranskij (I), Marina D. Litvinova (II-V), Vladimir Babkov (V), Viktor Golyshev (V), Leonid Motylev (V), Sergei Iljin (VI), Maya Lahuti (VI)
52. Scots Gaelic, Bloomsbury, scheduled for December, 20061
53. Serbian, Serbia: Alfa – Narodna Knjiga, translated by Vesna Stamenkovic Roganovic & Draško Roganović (I, III-V); Ana Vukomanovic (II)
54. Sinhala, Sri Lanka; unauthorised translations[4];
55. Slovak, Slovakia: IKAR, translated by Jana Petrikovičová (books 1,2) Oľga Kralovičová (books 3,4)
56. Slovene, Slovenia: EPTA, translated by Jakob J. Kenda (I-V) and Branko Gradišnik (VI)
57. Spanish (Castilian), Spain and Latin America: Emece Editores / Salamandra: translated by Alicia Dellepiane Rawson (I), Adolpho Muñoz Garcia (II-IV), Nieves Martín Azofra (II-IV), Gemma Rovira Ortega (V-VI)
58. Swedish, Sweden: Tiden Young Books / Raben & Sjögren, translated by Lena Fries-Gedin (all 6 so far)
59. Tamil, India and Sri Lanka; rumored unauthorised translation
60. Thai, Thailand: Nanmee Books, translated by Sumalee Bumrungsuk (I-II, V), Waleephon (III), Ngarmphan Wetchacheewa (IV)
61. Turkish, Turkey: Yapi Kredi Kultur Sanat Yayincilik, translated by Mustafa Bayindir, Ülkü Tamer (I), Sevin Okyay (II-V) and Kutlukhan Kutlu (IV, V)
62. Ukrainian, Ukraine: A-BA-BA-HA-LA-MA-HA, translated by Victor Morozov (I - V), and Sofiia Andrukhovich (IV)
63. Urdu, Pakistan: Oxford University Press, translated by Darakhshanda Asghar Khokhar (I-III)
64. Valencian, Spain: Editorial Empuries
65. Vietnamese, Vietnam: Trẻ Publishing House, translated by Lý Lan
66. Welsh (UK), translated by Emily Huws

Hope this helped.

Widgit, you're amazing!

What, no Klingon?

widgit, you are truly wonderful! I was disappointed to see the Tamil one is unauthorixed though :(.

Anyway, Can anyone tell me Dumbledore's middle names? Ireally should know this :blush:.

To play the devil's advocat, translation number 67 is in 'Plattdeutsch', what is really no german idiom, but an own language.
Low German, Michael Jung Verlag, translated by Peter Nissen. :evil:

The list is truly great, witgit! :D

Anyway, Can anyone tell me Dumbledore's middle names?
Albus Percival Wulfric Brian DumbledoreLow German
That's #23 on the list.
Widgit, you're amazing!My secret is GOOGLE.
What, no Klingon?That would be awesome! :lol:

widgit, you are truly wonderful! I was disappointed to see the Tamil one is unauthorixed though :(.

Anyway, Can anyone tell me Dumbledore's middle names? Ireally should know this :blush:.

Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore. Or something like that.

Can anyone tell me Dumbledore's middle names

His full name is Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore.

BTW- Widgit you are awesome. :clap:

Thanks :).

1. Afrikaans, South Africa: Human & Rousseau (pty) Ltd., translated by Janie Oosthuysen

As a South African, I'm intrigued and surprised by the Afrikaans translation. Never thought that would happen, as it is just one of the many African languages. Wonder whether I should ask for it for Christmas! Been a long time since I've spoken Afrikaans.

My secret is GOOGLE.

I'm so disappointed now!

*bows before kingwidgit* Superb sir, thanks :)

Superb sir

IT is Madame. :p

Did Snape make the Unbreakable Vow with Narcissa before or after he healed Dumbledore's hand?

Also, when Voldemort cast the Avada Kedavra at Harry and it rebounded, it did kill Voldemort didn't it? Obviously not completely, but did it kill his body so he was only earthbound because of his Horcruxes? I always assumed, after Book 6, that the vapour he was, was the part of his maimed soul that was left inside him after the Horcruxes had been made.

Did Snape make the Unbreakable Vow with Narcissa before or after he healed Dumbledore's hand?

Snape never was able to cure Dumbledore's hand. But he saved Dumbledore's life and that was definitely before Spinner's end. ;)


Also, when Voldemort cast the Avada Kedavra at Harry and it rebounded, it did kill Voldemort didn't it? Obviously not completely, but did it kill his body so he was only earthbound because of his Horcruxes? I always assumed, after Book 6, that the vapour he was, was the part of his maimed soul that was left inside him after the Horcruxes had been made.

I guess the answers in this (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=95738) thread might interest you especially the one by Nicole. ;)

I wanted to ask whether it is possible that the Dementors could grow stronger like Voldemort?

I wanted to ask whether it is possible that the Dementors could grow stronger like Voldemort?

No they can't because they are not wizards and can't perform magic. All they can do is suck out happiness and soul but otherwise they are useless. They can control wandless people but a wizard who has a wand can easily control them therefore they can never be compared with a wizard. But had you questioned about centaurs with wands then case would have been different seeing that they are intelligent and are part-humans. ;)

No they can't because they are not wizards and can't perform magic. All they can do is suck out happiness and soul but otherwise they are useless. They can control wandless people but a wizard who has a wand can easily control them therefore they can never be compared with a wizard. But had you questioned about centaurs with wands then case would have been different seeing that they are intelligent and are part-humans. ;)

Isn't it possible, because they are freed from their Azkaban obligation and are now breeding, which it doesn't seem like they did before, that they could draw strength from one another and become as individuals a more powerful creature? It seems that they affect a wizard more if there are multiple dementors, so why couldn't a single dementor develop the power to affect a wizard in the same way as a pack of them?

That's #23 on the list.:blush: I should look before I try to play the devil. :lol: Sorry, kingwitgit.

Isn't it possible, because they are freed from their Azkaban obligation and are now breeding, which it doesn't seem like they did before, that they could draw strength from one another and become as individuals a more powerful creature? It seems that they affect a wizard more if there are multiple dementors, so why couldn't a single dementor develop the power to affect a wizard in the same way as a pack of them?It's an interesting thought. Actually I believe that is not intended by JK that they will become stronger than Voldemort, but technically it should be possible that they become at least very strong. On the other hand I'm convinced that they will indeed be stronger than before in book 7.

Of course they may not as a spieces get stronger. But the individual dementors might get stronger just because they have more frreedom, and more food

Speaking of dementors, the Patronus charm doesn't kill them but simply chases them away. As this is the best known defence against them, what can they die from?

Speaking of dementors, the Patronus charm doesn't kill them but simply chases them away. As this is the best known defence against them, what can they die from?

Can something die if its not alive?? Cuz I thought dementors weren't alive...

Dementor's are definitly alive, though I imagine them kind of like Peeves in a way. An indestructable spirit causing whatever mayhem they so desire

I don't know if an individual dementor could be weak or strong. I have imagined that their strength is in their numbers. I think one dementor would not affect somebody as much as fifty and so on. I also don't think you can actually kill a dementor. It is true that they seem to be alive, but they are definitely not human. It seems to be that there should at least be a way to make them disappear. I wonder if you could use avada kedavra on them.

I thought a really powerful patronus could kill a dementor. I'm sure Lupin says something about it in POA. But I can't look now, I should really be going to bed.

Isn't it possible, because they are freed from their Azkaban obligation and are now breeding, which it doesn't seem like they did before, that they could draw strength from one another and become as individuals a more powerful creature? It seems that they affect a wizard more if there are multiple dementors, so why couldn't a single dementor develop the power to affect a wizard in the same way as a pack of them?

Even though they get as powerful as a pack but then also they won't be able to override a person like Dumbledore or Voldemort or even Harry because we know that a well performed Corporeal Patronus can force more than 100 dementors to flee, therefore I don't see them getting as powerful or even more powerful than a wizard of Voldemorts status. Moreover their attacks are limited, whereas a wizard has a wide range of spells and curses at his disposal. ;)



As this is the best known defence against them, what can they die from?

As for Dementors dieing, we are not sure about that because we have no canon for that, moreover it has been discussed here---> All About Dementors (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=63725)

Even though they get as powerful as a pack but then also they won't be able to override a person like Dumbledore or Voldemort or even Harry because we know that a well performed Corporeal Patronus can force more than 100 dementors to flee, therefore I don't see them getting as powerful or even more powerful than a wizard of Voldemorts status. Moreover their attacks are limited, whereas a wizard has a wide range of spells and curses at his disposal. ;)
I agree. They seem to have more affect when they're in a group, but it doesn't seem as though the existance of more dementors can make each one of them more powerful, and I doubt it they can be more powerful than a wizard like Voldemort.
As for Dementors dieing, we are not sure about that because we have no canon for that, moreover it has been discussed here---> All About Dementors (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=63725)
Thanks!

alright...


so this is something I have been pondering everytime i have read the book OotP...and the reason I'm thinking of this is because I just passed it in the book.

What the heck is Garrotting Gas? haha It sounds REALLY painfull! And I have NO clue what it does....the way it sounds...it sounds like it would do something obscure to your skin...but other than that...i have no idea!

Isn't garroting a way of choking someone? Like a wire around the neck? So it is probably some kind of gas that simulates the feeling. Not exactly pleasant!

Isn't garroting a way of choking someone? Like a wire around the neck? So it is probably some kind of gas that simulates the feeling. Not exactly pleasant!

Is it? :huh: I had that impression that Ginny had faked it. :lol:

Edit- This is what lexicon has to say about GG

Garrotting Gas potion

Invisible gas which apparently knocks people unconscious.

Fred and George were planning to release Garrotting Gas in a corridor, but left school before they had a chance to carry out the plan. Ginny seized upon the idea as a diversion to keep Umbridge away from her office. NOTE: It seems highly unlikely that Fred and George would have released something which was actually deadly, so we assume that Garrotting Gas is non-lethal (OP32).
link (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/magic/potions/potions-g.html#garrotting_gas)

haha

that still sounds absolutely dreadful! Good thing its not real

Yes, I think you're right, Ginny was faking it, but it is easy to see why people were steering clear of the area!

According to dictionary.com, garrotting is to strangle.

gar‧rote  /gəˈroʊt, -ˈrɒt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[guh-roht, -rot] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -rot‧ed, -rot‧ing.
–noun
1. a method of capital punishment of Spanish origin in which an iron collar is tightened around a condemned person's neck until death occurs by strangulation or by injury to the spinal column at the base of the brain.
2. the collarlike instrument used for this method of execution.
3. strangulation or throttling, esp. in the course of a robbery.
4. an instrument, usually a cord or wire with handles attached at the ends, used for strangling a victim.
–verb (used with object)
5. to execute by the garrote.
6. to strangle or throttle, esp. in the course of a robbery.

So it is a strangling gas. Probably wont kill but knock you out.

Yes, I think you're right, Ginny was faking it,

I know that Ginny was faking it, I was assuming that she was faking on the existence of any such gas. :blush:

There are currently 66 Harry Potter translations to choose from..... (see list in post, page 52)

OK, now that I know what exists, does anyone know where I might get hold of one? I know there are a few listed on Amazon, but they're more expensive than I thought, and I wondered if there might be other websites that people know of (yes, I've checked abebooks). Some of the books are available through websites in their own countries, but getting the clunky translation through babelfish and buying through the site without knowing properly what I'm doing probably isn't very wise....

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I know that Ginny was faking it, I was assuming that she was faking on the existence of any such gas.

I think in order for the diversion to work properly, such a gas had to be in existence and it had to be a feasible idea for Fred and George to set it off (Ginny said they had been planning to do so). Now Fred and George are not murderers, just pranksters, so I doubt if it would do anything other than make people pass out, despite the rather alarming name.

OK, now that I know what exists, does anyone know where I might get hold of one? I know there are a few listed on Amazon, but they're more expensive than I thought, and I wondered if there might be other websites that people know of (yes, I've checked abebooks). Some of the books are available through websites in their own countries, but getting the clunky translation through babelfish and buying through the site without knowing properly what I'm doing probably isn't very wise....

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Try E-Bay or Google it and you might find some exceptional sites that can help you. ;)

And then, of course, there is the oldfashioned way to do it. Go to a book shop and ask them to get the book for you.

I think in order for the diversion to work properly, such a gas had to be in existence and it had to be a feasible idea for Fred and George to set it off

Not necessarily, Ginny was explaining to many people the working of the gas, which means many people were unaware of the existence of any such gas. ;)

And then, of course, there is the oldfashioned way to do it. Go to a book shop and ask them to get the book for you.

:rotfl: Why didn't it strike me. :rotfl:

And then, of course, there is the oldfashioned way to do it. Go to a book shop and ask them to get the book for you.
Most of them in Britain at least would find it much quicker if you have the IBSN but these can be found on the web

Most of them in Britain at least would find it much quicker if you have the IBSN but these can be found on the webTrue, but name of the author, book title or even publisher can do. And, in this case, author and language. Good shops have very efficient search systems for books. Btw. Links to publishers can be found on Jo's website.

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/links_publishers.cfm

Hey there,
I was just reading the books again(for about the 10th time lol) And I never noticed it before but in the first chapter of book one when the weather man(Ted) is explaining all the unusal things that have been happening, it goes:
"Experts are unable to explain why the owls have suddenly changed their sleeping patterns." The newscaster allowed himself a grin."
I found this last sentence about him smiling very interesting... Do you think he is a wizard? Has anyone givin this any thought? I can't remember if I have read about any Ted being a wizard?
Just a thought...
Ryan

:shrug:nteresting idea,but I think he was just laughing because he thought it was unusual and not really 'news'.

Hey there,
I was just reading the books again(for about the 10th time lol) And I never noticed it before but in the first chapter of book one when the weather man(Ted) is explaining all the unusal things that have been happening, it goes:
"Experts are unable to explain why the owls have suddenly changed their sleeping patterns." The newscaster allowed himself a grin."
I found this last sentence about him smiling very interesting... Do you think he is a wizard? Has anyone givin this any thought? I can't remember if I have read about any Ted being a wizard?
Just a thought...
Ryan
I believe that Tonks said that her father's name was Ted Tonks. Many people have speculated that Ted Tonks is Ted, the weatherman. If so, he might know about messanger wols and why they were out and about, and simply be unable to suppress a grin, even while knowing he could not say anything. I persoanlly thing it's just a 'Mark Evans' situation - JKR using a name that occurs to her and the HP fandon gets all in a tizzy combing little details for clues.

Hey there,
I was just reading the books again(for about the 10th time lol) And I never noticed it before but in the first chapter of book one when the weather man(Ted) is explaining all the unusal things that have been happening, it goes:
"Experts are unable to explain why the owls have suddenly changed their sleeping patterns." The newscaster allowed himself a grin."
I found this last sentence about him smiling very interesting... Do you think he is a wizard? Has anyone givin this any thought? I can't remember if I have read about any Ted being a wizard?
Just a thought...
Ryan


I think he said it because all the muggles were flabbergasted that the owls were out flying around in the day.

I think it would be funny to me if I was reporting a story on the owls and why they are flying around during the day...I would also think it's cute because I like owls a lot! :lol:

I mean it is a plausible idea...Kingsley Shacklebolt works for the Prime Minister doesn't he? This Ted guy could be someone working for the ministry to keep an eye on Muggle News first hand.


You never can tell with JKR!

I believe that Tonks said that her father's name was Ted Tonks. Many people have speculated that Ted Tonks is Ted, the weatherman. If so, he might know about messanger wols and why they were out and about, and simply be unable to suppress a grin, even while knowing he could not say anything. I persoanlly thing it's just a 'Mark Evans' situation - JKR using a name that occurs to her and the HP fandon gets all in a tizzy combing little details for clues.

I'm not sure what a wizard would be doing presenting weather forcasts to Muggles (Ted was a Muggle-born, not a Muggle as some people often think), but if he studied Divination it could be a lucrative line of business!

(I can't believe your sig pic!!! :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: )

(I can't believe your sig pic!!! :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: )

The sig made me laugh, but the avatar drives my eyes CRAZY!

I'm not sure what a wizard would be doing presenting weather forcasts to Muggles (Ted was a Muggle-born, not a Muggle as some people often think), but if he studied Divination it could be a lucrative line of business!

(I can't believe your sig pic!!! :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset: )
Got me on that, although as a muggleborn, muggle jobs would have an allure. And even Trelawney would probably be as accurate as anyone really expects a weatherman to be.

I think it also makes a good contrast between people like Uncle Vernon, who can't stand anything being out of the ordinary, and people who can appreciate a little laugh here and there. Of course, until Jo debunks the rumor, it is possible that he is Ted Tonks. I also agree that some muggle jobs could have allure. Look at Mr. Weasley. He would probably love to go on "TV" and "predict" the weather.

A friend and I got into an argument about this recently.
He says that why Voldemort lost his powers has never been discussed in the books.
I say that it's because of the curse that rebounded on Voldemort and destroyed his body as well as his powers.
Which of us is right?
Or are we both wrong?

I believe personally that it is because Avada Kedavra rebounded off of Harry and then hit Voldemort. The curse was weakened when it bounced off of Harry so it did not give him the full impact of it so thats why the bit of soul that was still in his body did not die. He also had the horcruxes to help him survive it.

Those are my thoughts I could be wrong.

A friend and I got into an argument about this recently.
He says that why Voldemort lost his powers has never been discussed in the books.
I say that it's because of the curse that rebounded on Voldemort and destroyed his body as well as his powers.
Which of us is right?
Or are we both wrong?


The AK would have killed Voldemort had he been mortal. Since he had the horcruxes it just destroyed his body, though his sould remained intact.

After re reading PoA again, I remembered that Sirius gave Harry permission to go to Hogsmeade at the end, even though Sirius was not Harry's legal guardian. Harry says it'll be good enough for Dumbledore, obviously, because Dumbledore is the only one who believes Sirius is innocent. I'm interested to know if Harry actually gave him this permission form...it is implied that he did...

After re reading PoA again, I remembered that Sirius gave Harry permission to go to Hogsmeade at the end, even though Sirius was not Harry's legal guardian. Harry says it'll be good enough for Dumbledore, obviously, because Dumbledore is the only one who believes Sirius is innocent. I'm interested to know if Harry actually gave him this permission form...it is implied that he did...

He wouldn't have been allowed to go to Hogsmeade the next year if he hadn't handed the form in. DD wouldn't have had to show anyone else the form, just ticked the right box to say that Harry had permission and then he could go.

After re reading PoA again, I remembered that Sirius gave Harry permission to go to Hogsmeade at the end, even though Sirius was not Harry's legal guardian.

Sirius wasn't? Doesn't he say it is? Does that mean its the Dursleys? (Am I just not grasping the obvious here?...:blush: )

Sirius is Harry's legal guardian because he is his Godfather, there's probably some obscure law that says the Dursley's are his legal guardians as well, but, being his godfather, and his parents being dead (of course) Sirius is Harry's legal guardian.

The way I see is this:

The Dursleys are Harry's Muggle guardians. Anything Muggle related goes to them.

Sirius is (was) Harry's Magical guardian. Anything wholly magical went to him.

This is a stupid question: did the rebounding avada kedavra destroy one seventh of Voldemort's soul ( or however much was in his body at the time;))?

This is a stupid question: did the rebounding avada kedavra destroy one seventh of Voldemort's soul ( or however much was in his body at the time;))?
Probably not; Voldemort would be dead then or atleast he wouldn't have soul in himself then. There are probably other theories but my guess would be they all come to the same conclusion: no

no question is stupid unless it's what is Harry's last name! haha

the only way that you can destroy the final 7th of his soul is if you get rid of all the horcrux's. Other wise he will just hang in a "limbo-esc" state until he can get a hold of a horcrux...or have his body rebuilt like he did in GoF

I believe personally that it is because Avada Kedavra rebounded off of Harry and then hit Voldemort. The curse was weakened when it bounced off of Harry so it did not give him the full impact of it so thats why the bit of soul that was still in his body did not die. He also had the horcruxes to help him survive it.
The horcruxes work by anchoring your soul to this world. So although Voldemort "died", his soul couldn't depart, but continued in a state "less than the meanest ghost" until Wormtail helped him create a new body. Jo actually said in an interview a few years ago (I think it was the Edinburgh one) that we should be asking ourselves why Voldemort didn't die - because the rebounding AK curse ought to have killed him.

New question (as far as I know, anyway...): Does Voldemort know Harry can speak parseltongue?

New question (as far as I know, anyway...): Does Voldemort know Harry can speak parseltongue?I assume he knows, because all Hogwarts students (also Draco and so his father know). Would be a nice thing, tough, if Lucius made a mistake again and forgot to tell him. ;)

I assume he knows, because all Hogwarts students (also Draco and so his father know). Would be a nice thing, tough, if Lucius made a mistake again and forgot to tell him. ;)

:agree: Even if Lucius forgot to tell him, I'm pretty sure he could still work it out once he knew the Chamber of Secrets had been opened and closed.

He would also know because the it was all over the Daily prophet that Harry was a parseltongue therefore Voldemort must have picked the trail from there. ;)

He would also know because the it was all over the Daily prophet that Harry was a parseltongue therefore Voldemort must have picked the trail from there. ;)
:blush: Now I feel stupid, lol...

Now I feel stupid, lol...Me too. :lol: (Although I don't expect Voldemort reading the news while vaporing through Albania. :p)

But it's true - the proof is that Harry could open the chamber.

Well, Voldemort may not get papers :)
There is a small possibility that Voldemort doesn't know, but he seems to have had lots of time to himself, so I'm sure that would have crossed his mind and he worked it out.
Voldemort may not have specifically known that Harry opened the chamber. Though parsletongue is rare it is possible that there is another student or teacher at Hogwarts who can speak it.

:agree: Even if Lucius forgot to tell him, I'm pretty sure he could still work it out once he knew the Chamber of Secrets had been opened and closed.

But does Voldemort know that Harry opened the CoS? The only dark wizard who found out is Diary-Riddle and Lucius. If Lucius didn't tell him, then how would he know?

But does Voldemort know that Harry opened the CoS? The only dark wizard who found out is Diary-Riddle and Lucius. If Lucius didn't tell him, then how would he know?

Well Lucius did, because he knows the diary is gone.

Well Lucius did, because he knows the diary is gone.

Oh ya:p Stupid canon:grumble:

I was wondering, where do house elves come from? Sorry if this has already been answered, I couldn't find anything.

I was wondering, where do house elves come from? Sorry if this has already been answered, I couldn't find anything.

Well...when a mommy and a daddy House Elf...nevermind:lol:

Probably the same place humans and other magical creatures come from, whatever you believe in. A God, evolution etc...

It's interesting to think where households get house elves though. Could you picture them buying them? Or maybe they just turn up- Dobby went job-seeking between CoS and GoF ...

It's interesting to think where households get house elves though. Could you picture them buying them? Or maybe they just turn up- Dobby went job-seeking between CoS and GoF ...

Well Dobby is kind of odd. I think that similar to slaves, they are bought.

Well Dobby is kind of odd. I think that similar to slaves, they are bought.
What a horrible thought! I think I'll consider joining SPEW after all...

But it is an interesting question. As many aspects of the wizarding world are really old, maybe it's something that started in medieval times. Then perhaps getting one today if you haven't got one in the family is really hard, because you can't buy them, you have to be given them from family or friends? It does seem they're hard to 'get hold of', because Lucius is so furious when Harry makes him free Dobby.

(My apologies to those who are offended by my treating house-elves as objects...)

Do you think that Sirius intentionally made his Animagus look like a grim?

It's interesting to think where households get house elves though. Could you picture them buying them? Or maybe they just turn up- Dobby went job-seeking between CoS and GoF ...Judging by the heads of Kreacher's ancestors hung on the wall at 12 Grimmauld Place, and Winky's remark that her mother served the Crouches before her, I'd say they serve the family they are born into (like human slaves used to). The Weasley twins say that House-Elves come with old mansions, which also supports this idea. It would explain why it was so hard for Lucius to replace Dobby.

Do you think that Sirius intentionally made his Animagus look like a grim?
Does the animal one turns into as an Animagi reflect your personality?

Very well deduced, Narri! I personally would like to think that I would transform into an otter, which is my favorite animal. Imagine how horrible it would be if I turned out to be a cockroach!

link (http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2000/1000-aol-chat.htm)Robert Dawson for Asda - If you were an animagus, what would you like to be?

JK Rowling: This always amuses me this idea. You see, you do not know what you are going to be until you have done it, so you might spend half a decade trying to turn into an animal and then find out you were a slug or something, which would be most unpleasant.

I gave Hermione my favourite animal, which is an otter. If you wanted to be something impressive, you would probably be something like a stag or a tiger, would you not, I just suspect I might be a guinea pig or something which would be so embarrassing.

link (http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2005/0705-edinburgh-ITVcubreporters.htm)

Judging by the heads of Kreacher's ancestors hung on the wall at 12 Grimmauld Place, and Winky's remark that her mother served the Crouches before her, I'd say they serve the family they are born into (like human slaves used to). The Weasley twins say that House-Elves come with old mansions, which also supports this idea. It would explain why it was so hard for Lucius to replace Dobby.
What I meant was, how do they end up with the rich families in the first place. And another thing, Dobby says people thought he was odd because he wanted paying, nothing about a house elf looking for work being odd :shrug:.

Does the animal one turns into as an Animagi reflect your personality?

Very well deduced, Narri! I personally would like to think that I would transform into an otter, which is my favorite animal. Imagine how horrible it would be if I turned out to be a cockroach!

link (http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2000/1000-aol-chat.htm)Robert Dawson for Asda - If you were an animagus, what would you like to be?

JK Rowling: This always amuses me this idea. You see, you do not know what you are going to be until you have done it, so you might spend half a decade trying to turn into an animal and then find out you were a slug or something, which would be most unpleasant.

I gave Hermione my favourite animal, which is an otter. If you wanted to be something impressive, you would probably be something like a stag or a tiger, would you not, I just suspect I might be a guinea pig or something which would be so embarrassing.

link (http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2005/0705-edinburgh-ITVcubreporters.htm)

Ok, thanks!:)

And another thing, Dobby says people thought he was odd because he wanted paying, nothing about a house elf looking for work being odd :shrug:.

Good point. But I guess Dobby isn't the first elf to be presented with clothes, thus other elves must have been without work before him, and since they pretty much live for serving their masters, it's only natural they'd be looking for a new job straight away.

But it's still odd, though.

I think that if the number of house elves in a family increased that the elves might over populate a Wizard family . Thus prompting a surplus and then the Wizard family might advertize that they had a/some house elves for sale or placement in new Wizard family homes.

I believe Ron said that house elves were very expensive to own and that only the rich Wizard families could afford them .

I think that if the number of house elves in a family increased that the elves might over populate a Wizard family . Thus prompting a surplus and then the Wizard family might advertize that they had a/some house elves for sale or placement in new Wizard family homes.

I believe Ron said that house elves were very expensive to own and that only the rich Wizard families could afford them .

That's strange, its not like they're paying them, clothing them, i doubt they really feed them, so why so expensive? I guess it must be for the initial cost, cuz keeping them afterwards seems to have no extra cost as far as i can see.

I agree Ron's statement did sound strange. What would be the cost of keepig a house elf. I also don't feel purchasing a house elf is an option any longer.

Can someone help me find where Ron said it?

In CoS, chapter three Fred said that whoever owns him [Dobby] will be an old wizarding family and they'll be rich. Then George added that house-elves come with big old manors and castles.

:agree: Even if Lucius forgot to tell him, I'm pretty sure he could still work it out once he knew the Chamber of Secrets had been opened and closed.

Me too. :lol: (Although I don't expect Voldemort reading the news while vaporing through Albania. :p)

But it's true - the proof is that Harry could open the chamber.

But does Voldemort know that Harry opened the CoS? The only dark wizard who found out is Diary-Riddle and Lucius. If Lucius didn't tell him, then how would he know?

Well Lucius did, because he knows the diary is gone.

Sorry that I have to go back to the Parseltongue question, but my computer didn`t work the last week so I can`t tell my ideas. And I find it an very interesting question.

Neither Harry nor Dumbledore didn`t tell Lucius where Harry destroyed the diary. They also didn`t tell him how he destroyed it. Therefore I can see the possibility that Lucius didn`t know that Harry fighted in the chamber against the basilisk. McGonagall told all students to go back to their common rooms, but not about Ginny. Harry and Ron discover this while they are hidden in the staff room. And the governours seems to be informed that Arthur`s daughter was kidnaped, but this doesn`t mean they knew about the chamber. All other attacks happened at the school floors therefore this didn`t point to the chamber.
I see the possibility, that Voldemort guessed after his attack on Arthur in the Ministry that Harry can speak Parsel. He has a bright mind, but it isnt sure that he knows.
Maybe I`m wrong, but it isn`t unavoidable that Voldemort knows. He isn`t aware of the full prophecy, so he doesn`t know that he had some of his powers transfered to Harry. And I like the theory that Harry can speak to Nagini to destroy this Horcrux. Maybe this influenced my opinion.

Maybe I`m wrong, but it isn`t unavoidable that Voldemort knows. He isn`t aware of the full prophecy, so he doesn`t know that he had some of his powers transfered to Harry. And I like the theory that Harry can speak to Nagini to destroy this Horcrux. Maybe this influenced my opinion.Point for you, that's a really good observation. I like the idea, that Voldemort doesn't know, too, although I assume he suspect him to know. But it's indeed still possible, that he doesn't.

Everyone knows Harry can speak Parseltongue. Rita Skeeter put it in the paper. It is also known that Harry killed a basilisk with the sword in Dumbledores office. Terry Boot asked Harry about it in the Hogshead.

Everyone knows Harry can speak Parseltongue. Rita Skeeter put it in the paper. It is also known that Harry killed a basilisk with the sword in Dumbledores office. Terry Boot asked Harry about it in the Hogshead.Yes, it's very likely that Voldemort knows, there's just a little possibility that he doesn't know, which was pointed out by Annett. He needed someone who told him about the events of that day or who helped him to get access to the Daily Prophet.

I didn't know it was in the Daily Prophet that Harry could speak Parseltongue (if I did, I would never have asked in the first place :p ). Does somebody know where it says so?

Can someone help me find where Ron said it?

In CoS, chapter three Fred said that whoever owns him [Dobby] will be an old wizarding family and they'll be rich. Then George added that house-elves come with big old manors and castles.

I look up chapter three and it was Fred and George who said that about house elves. It is also interesting that Fred and George refused to join SPEW, telling Hermione that the house elves were happy with what they were doing. It seems that Fred and George know a lot more about house elves than Ron does, especially since they were frequent visitors to the Hogwarts kitchens.

I didn't know it was in the Daily Prophet that Harry could speak Parseltongue (if I did, I would never have asked in the first place :p ). Does somebody know where it says so?

I don`t think it`s in the second book, because there are only two occassions that I remember an article is involved. The first is in the Evening Prophet Snape shows them at their arrival and the second is the article Draco Malfoy shows them in the Slytherin common room. Hermione subscribed the Daily Prophet later in the third or fourth book to be on the news. Maybe Harry`s Parseltongue is mentioned in one of Rita`s articles in the fourth book.

Edit: I found the article in the fourth book: chapter 31, page 532 british paperback edition:
"Potter can speak Parseltongue," reveals Draco Malfoy, a Hogwarts fourth-year. ...

Maybe Harry`s Parseltongue is mentioned in one of Rita`s articles in the fourth book. Yes, a Draco quote is in her article in Ch. 31.

Yes, a Draco quote is in her article in Ch. 31.

Thank you, found it at the same moment.

I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right place, but can anyone think of a time when Dumbledore was wrong? He's trusted the wrong people, but can anyone think of anything else?

The prophecy comes to mind...

Yeah. I've got that. See, I'm writing an editorial and part of it deals with the fact that Dumbledore could be wrong. So I need examples.

when Dumbledore was wrong?Depends on point of view, doesn't it? Was he wrong to leave Harry with the Dursleys instead of a wizarding family? Was he wrong to do nothing about sealing off the bathroom where Myrtle died when other petrifications occurred right outside the same bathroom 50 years later? Was he wrong not to question Myrtle? Was he wrong to award extra points to Harry for a Gryffindor-specific quality in the second task of GoF? Was he wrong to let Harry continue to compete in the Triwizard Tournament? Was he wrong to accept fakeMoody as the real thing? Was he wrong not to recognize Voldemort being part of the DADA teacher, Quirrell? Was he wrong in not explaining the bond Harry and Voldemort share via the scar? Was he wrong to give testimony to the Wizengamot that Snape had turned spy "at great personal risk" (ie, that he wasn't a Death Eater anymore)? Was Albus wrong about giving testimony that Sirius was Secret Keeper for the Potters? (There are quite a few topics that question Dumbledore's actions; they can be found by doing an Advanced Search, titles only, Hogwarts area with dumble* as the keyword.)

I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right place, but can anyone think of a time when Dumbledore was wrong? He's trusted the wrong people, but can anyone think of anything else?

'...Ah! Bertie Bott's Every-Flavour Beans! I was unfortunate enough in my youth to come across a vomit-flavoured one, and since then I'm afraid I've rather lost my liking for them - but I think I'll be safe with a nice toffee, don't you?'
He smiled and popped the golden-brown bean into his mouth. Then he choked and said, 'Alas! Earwax!'
(PS, Br. paperback, 217-218)

:D

I didn't know it was in the Daily Prophet that Harry could speak Parseltongue (if I did, I would never have asked in the first place ). Does somebody know where it says so?

Didn't we have the Prophet reporting the incident at the Dueling Club where Harry was "supposed" to set the snake at Justin Finch Fletchely?

If not then also we have the GoF testimony, moreover Voldemort might have been able to read the Prophet only after PoA seeing that he could hold the paper....only after the babymort transformation or that he had a "servant" only after PoA. ;)

The only place that Harry is publically reported speaking Parsletonge is in ht GoF at the end while the trio is practicing for the Tri Wizard. I think that if it would have gotten out before than, it would have been all over and people....parents....would have wanted Harry to leave the school.

I have another question that I proably should know the answer to but it often confuses me when I read the books. Okay so its basically which set of "adults" went to school first like what was the order... it's hard to explain but like did Hagrid and Voldemort go to school before or after Harry's parents and before or after the Weasleys' Parents? Then on top of that when did Lucious Malfoy go to school?

I have always assumed that its:

Hagrid and Voldemort
Harry's Parents and Snape, Lupin, Black, Wormtail...
Lucious Malfoy
The Weasleys

We know the Weasleys are older than the Potters, because the Whomping Willow wasn't at Hogwarts yet when they were in school.

I think somewhere people have said that Lucius is older than the Weasleys as well?

I think that Lucius was around when LV and Hagrid were at Hogwarts...at least that is what I always thought

I have another question that I proably should know the answer to but it often confuses me when I read the books. Okay so its basically which set of "adults" went to school first like what was the order... it's hard to explain but like did Hagrid and Voldemort go to school before or after Harry's parents and before or after the Weasleys' Parents? Then on top of that when did Lucious Malfoy go to school?

I have always assumed that its:

Hagrid and Voldemort
Harry's Parents and Snape, Lupin, Black, Wormtail...
Lucious Malfoy
The Weasleys

I was confused too. But I believe the first pairing is right(H & V). But I think Lucius was with the Maurauders. I'm not sure where Arthur and Molly fit in. They may be before Harry's parents (if you think about the ages of their kids). they weren't in the Order the first time because it seems that most of the Order was together in school at some point.

Voldemort is the oldest, Hagrid is two years younger (he was a third year as the chamber was opened, Riddle a fifth year). Lucius Malfoy`s age was mentioned in an article in the Daily Prophet. He was 41 at the time Snape was 35 or 36. Snape is the same age than James, Wormtail, Sirius and Lupin. The Weasleys are a bit more difficult, but because the oldest son Bill must be 9 years older than Harry and Harry`s parents were young when he was born (21 or 22) the must be older than the marauders, maybe in Lucius Malfoys age. This would explain the fightings between Arthur and Lucius.

It would be interesting to pair Lucius and Arthur as going to school at the same time. That would explain a lot of their tension. I don't think they would have gone to school with Voldemort and Hagrid, although Lucius does seem to know an awful lot about the chamber, but then so should Arthur.

Voldemort is the oldest, Hagrid is two years younger (he was a third year as the chamber was opened, Riddle a fifth year). Lucius Malfoy`s age was mentioned in an article in the Daily Prophet. He was 41 at the time Snape was 35 or 36. Snape is the same age than James, Wormtail, Sirius and Lupin. The Weasleys are a bit more difficult, but because the oldest son Bill must be 9 years older than Harry and Harry`s parents were young when he was born (21 or 22) the must be older than the marauders, maybe in Lucius Malfoys age. This would explain the fightings between Arthur and Lucius.

That's the pairing that i always thought about, that Arthur and Molly were there with Lucius, and that Lucius was about 5 or 6 years ahead of Snape and the Marauders and Lily. Plus, i think Hagrid became gamekeeper while the Marauders were there, and we have proof that he was not gamekeeper when Molly was there, she told us that i think in book 4, so if she was there at the same time as the marauder generation, it would have only been for a year or two probably.

Also, Hagrid had not been gamekeeper while Molly and Arthur were at school, somthing like "Ogg" right? Wouldn't we have heard mention of him from Sirius or Remus (especially when Remus came back to teach at Hogwarts)?

Do we know when Hagrid officially became gamekeeper?

Yeah, it was Ogg, but I don't think we know exactly when he became gamekeeper.

Well wasn't Hagrid trained as the game keeper....maybe it was by Ogg. Wow...this timeline is REAL confusing!:shrug:

Yes, Hagrid was trained by Ogg. He was only 13 when he was expelled, after all.

I wonder when and why Ogg decided to step down from being Gamekeeper.

...was he getting too old? (And then, what's too old, because Hagrid is in his late 60's)...or did he die?

I know we don't know the answer to this question, so maybe it belongs in the Hagrid thread in the Legilimency Studies.

I wonder when and why Ogg decided to step down from being Gamekeeper.

...was he getting too old? (And then, what's too old, because Hagrid is in his late 60's)...or did he die?

Or did he get eaten by a beastie in the forbidden forest?

Maybe I`m wrong, but it isn`t unavoidable that Voldemort knows.

I think if Voldemort doesn't know (from someone telling him from the Prophecy report) then Snape is bound to have told him. Imagine if Voldemort had found out someway and realised that Snape had withheld that information from him...wouldn't paint a pretty picture now would it?

What happened to Lily and James' wands after they died? Were they destroyed with the house, or are they still out there somewhere? Will Harry get hold of them, or is someone else using them?

I was also wondering, are there things like the Maurauders Map for other places/buildings, for example the Ministry of Magic or St Mungo's? If not, then do you think Lupin will make one?


Mods, sorry if there is already a thread, I looked but couldn't find anything, so please redirect me if there is, thanks.

Well...we arn't really sure what happens to a wizard's wand when he dies. We know that Neville got his fathers...
I'm guessing that the wands are still out there somewhere...maybe in the ruins...unless the got destroyed by the curse LV set.

Maybe if Harry does find a wand he can use it to fight Voldemort for a second time, and then he would be able to defeat him because the wands would not be brothers.


About the Maruader's Map for other buildings...

I don't think that there are others out as intricate as the one from hogwarts out there...there is probably moving maps of places...blueprints...
and about Lupin making one...I highly doubt it...it took the four of them to do it...and I don't think Lupin has the time or the engery to make a map of such a calliber.

and about Lupin making one...I highly doubt it...it took the four of them to do it...and I don't think Lupin has the time or the engery to make a map of such a calliber.

I agree, plus, the marauder's had an incredible knowlegde of Hogwarts, it probabky took them all seven years to collect the necessary information. How would Lupin be able to get that kind of knowledge about St. Mungo's or the Ministry? Personally I don't think anyone would be able to do it, because it takes the daring of a teenager to explore everything, but it's only adults in the Ministry or St. Mungo's (except for sick kids maybe)

Well...we arn't really sure what happens to a wizard's wand when he dies. We know that Neville got his fathers...
I'm guessing that the wands are still out there somewhere...maybe in the ruins...unless the got destroyed by the curse LV set.
Neville's father is still alive. I would almost expect that wizards are buried with their wands, since wands are so personal.

Neville's father is still alive. I would almost expect that wizards are buried with their wands, since wands are so personal.



hahahahahaha wow....yea....I knew that. I feel like such a moron.

hahahahahaha wow....yea....I knew that. I feel like such a moron.
Don't worry - we all have moments like that! :D

What happened to Lily and James' wands after they died? Were they destroyed with the house, or are they still out there somewhere? Will Harry get hold of them, or is someone else using them?

Well we know that their bodies were buried at Godric Hollow and we also know that when Ogg was burried his wand was broken into two and laid alongside him, so we can presume that the same happened with the Potters. ;)

we also know that when Ogg was burried his wand was broken into two and laid alongside him

:huh: I'm confused. How did you know this?

Nowhere was mentioned, that Ogg is death. The only things we know about him is that he was the gamekeeper when Hagrid left school, that he was when Arthur and Molly were at Hogwarts and that he trained Hagrid. When James was at school Hagrid is the gamekeeper.
The only wizard burial we know is Dumbledore`s. And there isn`t any mention of his wand, therefore we didn`t know what happened to him.

Well we know that their bodies were buried at Godric Hollow and we also know that when Ogg was burried his wand was broken into two and laid alongside him

I was thinking it was from the song they sang at Aragog's funeral, but the wizard in the song was Odo. So I'm curious too.

I was thinking it was from the song they sang at Aragog's funeral, but the wizard in the song was Odo. So I'm curious too.

...That might have been what he meant. However, Slughorn was drunk when he was singing, so if that has any efect on the 'canon' of this or whatever...

And Odo the hero, they bore him back home
To the place that he'd known as a lad,

They laid him to rest with his hat inside out
And his wand snapped in two, which was sad.

Hm...so if it was sad that he had his wand snapped in two when he was buried, then why would everyone else do it too? Or was it just sad that he died?

Maybe he died because his wand was broken. He couldn`t cast a defence spell and therefore died.

Nowhere was mentioned, that Ogg is death.

I was referring to Odo. :blush:

Do we know who this Odo guy is?

Do we know who this Odo guy is?

Some sort of hero? It's probably just lore though...

The song Slughorn sang is the only place where Odo has been mentioned through the whole series. Possibly a hero from lore or history, but that is pure speculation.

This is what Lexicon has to say about Odo

After drinking quite a lot of wine, Hagrid and Horace Slughorn sang a lachrymose song about Odo, a wizard who died young. link (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/wizards-nosurname.html)

He must have been pretty famous if he was a hero and died young (like Harry).

Could this be a hint that Harry is going to die? :eyebrows:

That's a reasonable idea, but I don't know if there are any songs about Harry :)
But the hero-dying-young thing, you could be onto something there!

How does the lexicon know he died young?

Why do the author of that article believe that Odo died young? A song line says that they brought him back to a place that he`d known as a lad, this means he was no longer a young man. Hagrid mentioned, that the goods always die young, but he means his parents and Harry`s parents.

Could this be a hint that Harry is going to die? :eyebrows:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

Can you tell that I don't want him to die? :D

That's a reasonable idea, but I don't know if there are any songs about Harry :)
But the hero-dying-young thing, you could be onto something there!
Sure there's a song about Harry!
"His eyes are as green as a fresh pickled toad
His hair is as black as a blackboard
He's truly divine, I wish he was mine
The hero who vanquished the Dark Lord"
Or something like that... I wrote that from my memory. Anyway, it's Ginny's singing Valentine :D

I don't think it's meant to forshadow anything, that song about Odo, it's just there to show us how drunk Slughorn and Hagrid were by that time that they were singing odd things like that.

Sure there's a song about Harry!
"His eyes are as green as a fresh pickled toad
His hair is as black as a blackboard
He's truly divine, I wish he was mine
The hero who vanquished the Dark Lord"
Or something like that... I wrote that from my memory. Anyway, it's Ginny's singing Valentine :D

I don't think it's meant to forshadow anything, that song about Odo, it's just there to show us how drunk Slughorn and Hagrid were by that time that they were singing odd things like that.

You wrote that from memory?? I'm impressed, I wish my memory were that good.

How does the lexicon know he died young?

Internal Sources. :elaugh:

Hagrid mentioned, that the goods always die young, but he means his parents and Harry`s parents.

Maybe the one who wrote the text must have assumed that Hagrid meant that it was ODO who died young, or they must have picked up some thing which we obviously missed.

Sure there's a song about Harry!

I am sure that songs like the one for Odo are made after the person dies, I mean it is a song dedicated in the memory of the person and great deeds done by him/her.

odo was in harry potter mentioned in a song in Hbp that was sung by Hagrid and Slughorn.

Looking back at the text in the book, it seems quite reasonable to presume that Hagrid was referring to both his own dad, Harry's parents and Odo.

I'm afraid that all we know about Odo is said by now. Can we move on to the next question?

In HBP at Slughorn's Christmas party there was a Vampire there! I wonder just how Slughorn got him into the school ? I would have thought that Dumbledore would not want or let a Vampire inside Hogwarts . Any Ideas on How/Why he was allowed inside the school ?

In HBP at Slughorn's Christmas party there was a Vampire there! I wonder just how Slughorn got him into the school ? I would have thought that Dumbledore would not want or let a Vampire inside Hogwarts . Any Ideas on How/Why he was allowed inside the school ?

It is not at all surprising that Dumbledore allowed Sanguini (the Vampire) to enter Hogwarts because if he can allow werewolves then he can allow almost anyone, moreover I think he knew that with so many teachers at hand it would not be a big deal to handle the vampire. ;)

My guess would be that as a, presumably trusted, teacher Slughorn had the rights to invite personal quests.

I agree with the fact that DD would have been trusted. However, do we know that he actually approved of the vampire being invited into the school? He might not have been allowed in, but Slughorn may have found a way. It can't be had to disguise a vampire really, you could just get them to wear a hooded cloak. This might not have worked against the extra security, but SLughorn may have known how to get around that.

Was Dumbledore even in school at the time of the party.
We do know that throughout the book DD does dissappear from Hogwarts so maybe Slughorn just invited SAnguini knowing DD won't know.
Another thing it seems that there are teachers in the party but there is no mention of DD maybe proving that he was not at Hogwarts

I agree with the one who said that if Dumbledore is going to let werewolves into the school he'd let vampires in as well. (I'm sure extra precautions were taken)

I can't see Slughorn going behind Dumbledore's back about something like this. Slughorn knows his place, and he has worked with DD before.

I think that even if Dumbledore did not know about the Vampire he would not have cared. He trusts Slughorn enough not to bring unwanted creatures into the castle.

You know what's always confused me? JK said that portraits such as the ones hanging in Dumbledore's office only repeat catchphrases...how is it, then, that Phineas is practically able to carry on perfectly normal conversations?

You know what's always confused me? JK said that portraits such as the ones hanging in Dumbledore's office only repeat catchphrases...how is it, then, that Phineas is practically able to carry on perfectly normal conversations?

A very good point Dumbledore also sends them off on rescue missions . Which I'm sure would have been nothing like their normal lives (when they were alive) or duties . JkR. has never been all that concerned about the limitations on the pictures if she wants them to do something then thats what gets done . The Fat Lady gets drunk , Sir Cadugan makes up Passwords seemingly at will .The Portraits travel on nightly visits to other portraits . Phineas talks like a living person which as you say is way beyond what JKR has said that Portraits should be able to do. I guess it boils down to what ever JKR wants them to do they do.

twins:p

So I guess that means she could swing either way with Dumbledore's portrait...

JK said that portraits such as the ones hanging in Dumbledore's office only repeat catchphrases...how is it, then, that Phineas is practically able to carry on perfectly normal conversations?

When did she say that? :huh:

When did she say that? :huh:

She answered it in the Edinburgh interview, Sunday, August 15, 2004.

All the paintings we have seen at Hogwarts are of dead people. They seem to be living through their portraits. How is this so? If there was a painting of Harry`s parents, would he be able to obtain advice from them?
JK Rowling

That is a very good question. They are all of dead people; they are not as fully realised as ghosts, as you have probably noticed. The place where you see them really talk is in Dumbledore`s office, primarily; the idea is that the previous headmasters and headmistresses leave behind a faint imprint of themselves. They leave their aura, almost, in the office and they can give some counsel to the present occupant, but it is not like being a ghost. They repeat catchphrases, almost. The portrait of Sirius` mother is not a very 3D personality; she is not very fully realised. She repeats catchphrases that she had when she was alive. If Harry had a portrait of his parents it would not help him a great deal. If he could meet them as ghosts, that would be a much more meaningful interaction, but as Nick explained at the end of Phoenix. I am straying into dangerous territory, but I think you probably know what he explained� There are some people who would not come back as ghosts because they are unafraid, or less afraid, of death.

Thanks. :D

You`re welcome!

Either the headmaster potraits can more as others or they have to deal with similar situations in their time. Or maybe Jo changed the rules through the books.

Maybe the functionality of the portrait is to do with the skill of the artist? A poorly drawn portrait would just repeat catchphrases (Mrs Black and Sir Cadogan?) while a really good one would be able to interact better and work as a messenger. But we haven't had a real conversation with any of the portraits. They seem to be a simplified version of the subject, and if Jo says having a portrait of his parents would not be of much help to Harry, I doubt if a portrait of Dumbledore would be much good either. In fact, I would think that having a portrait, a pale shadow of the person you once knew and loved, would make the loss still more painful. I hope we can remember Dumbledore as he was in life, rather than seeing him as a portrait.

A poorly drawn portrait

I don't think it is to do with the art work but the magic that is involved, if I correctly remember then Colin had said that the potions were animated if they were put into the correct potion, so it must be the Strength of the Potion not the quality of the drawing. ;)

My opinion on portraits, which was helped along by the 'Wizarding Portraits Dynamics' thread, (especaially the Headmaster ones) is that when they are first created, that they are much like any portrait, an imprint of their life, repeating only catchphrases for the most part.

I think that after that, they can grow and develop, because the Headmaster portraits are so connected with what's happening in the wizarding world, they are more able to express opinions and grow, becoming more like a real person.

I think that after that, they can grow and develop, because the Headmaster portraits are so connected with what's happening in the wizarding world, they are more able to express opinions and grow, becoming more like a real person.

That is an interesting idea, but then how come they remember the things of the past, I am if they remember the things that they have heard recently and all then it is alright but how come they remember things of the past? :huh:

It does make sense, though, that a portrait by a really good artist would be more like the original than a portrait by a poor artist, and thus better able to communicate. But it could well be the quality of the charm placed on them too (you don't develop oil paintings in potion - it would ruin them!).I think that after that, they can grow and develop, because the Headmaster portraits are so connected with what's happening in the wizarding world, they are more able to express opinions and grow, becoming more like a real person.
I doubt this very much. A portrait is just a depiction of a person, and can't grow or change.

A portrait is just a depiction of a person, and can't grow or change.

Are you saying that a portrait can not absorb any information and use it to form opinions...or to change previous opinoins?

How was the Fat Lady then able to conquer her fear of having her portrait slashed? Isn't that an example of growth? That she came back?

Or Phineas' grief at the death of Sirius?

The 'Wizarding Potrait Dynamics' thread is really interesting to read concerning this subject...you might want to take a look :)

Wow, I guess I brought up a relatively interesting topic, eh? :lol:

Sounds to me like JK made a bit of a boo boo...

Wow, I guess I brought up a relatively interesting topic, eh? :lol:So it seems. I'm afraid it's time to ask you all to continue this discussion here.
Wizarding Portrait Dynamics (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=86890) :)

*Slaps forehead...again*


Thanks. :lol:

Hey, this may have been posted before, but how come Voldemort had to drink Unicorn's blood in SS/PS? Or was it Quirell that had to drink it to sustain himself with Voldemort leaching off of him? Any insights?

I thought this must be Quirrell because Voldemort was only a shadow om himself at this time. And Harry saw a figure under a cape. We know that all the animals died fast when Voldemort shared their body with them. Maybe the Unicorn blood should extend his life, but it was a cursed life after that.

Hey, this may have been posted before, but how come Voldemort had to drink Unicorn's blood in SS/PS? Or was it Quirell that had to drink it to sustain himself with Voldemort leaching off of him? Any insights?
It was Quirrell who did the actual drinking:

"Unicorn blood has strengthened me, these past weeks ... you saw faithful Quirrell drinking it for me in the Forest ..."

Quirrell did the drinking to stengthen a weakened Voldemort who was living on the back of his head.

I was wondering if anyone knew why Snape kept his same Office/room at the school instead of moving to the DADA teachers Office/room ?
Was it because the old potions room is closer to the Slytherin Home Room or is there some other reason ?