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This thread is set up like a question and answer session which covers the smaller questions from the Harry Potter series. You may ask and answer any little thing that may be on your mind about the series. :)

Some of our most common questions are listed with Jo's answers here: Frequently Asked Harry Potter Questions
(http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=95091)

on Jo's website, in the rumors section, she is talking about Harry not being a metamorphmagus and in her writing she said "Their (wizarding children) magical ability has been bottled up for weeks at a time and then, when made angry or frightened, it simply explodes out of them." So does this mean that if magic isn't performed for a while, it will be bottled up? That means that if Harry didn't use any magic for like a month or so, his powers would be stronger and more effective, right? Do you think this could be an effective strategy to fight the Dark Lord?I've never seen the Bloomsbury edition...I'm going to go and look up the cover art right now. But I think that could be interesting. Very interesting.

Or. It may not be anything, just some extra room on the cloak so the illustrator added their 3 favorite letters...

Edit: I can't find a picture of the back anywhere? Would you know where to find one?I googled it, and I couldn't find an image for us to analyze, though I remember seeing one on eBay. Ill keep looking.

But even so, I highly doubt Jo would hide any clues on the UK version and not the American version. That is sort of unfair and something she wouldn't do. It is like the American version White Tomb chapter cover thing. People thought it looked like Mr. Burns, others a dementor, others a middle finger. If you look at something long enough, it could turn out to look like a lot of things, in my opinion ;).

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For earlier versions see:
Little Questions Answered v7 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=93569)
Little HP Question Answered v6 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=91160)
Little HP Questions Answered v.5 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=87430)
Little HP Questions Answered v3 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=80967)
Little HP Questions Answered v2 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=79249)

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Woohoo I'm first in the new edition!

Anyway, this may have been asked before. (I'm betting it has, but I don't have the patience to sift through 7 versions of this thread) Its always kind of bugged me. How do Muggles get into Diagon Alley? In one of the books, (I can't remember which) Hermione's parents are exchanging British Pounds for Galleons at Gringott's. How do they find out where it is? Harry's letter in PS/SS makes no mention of Diagon Alley's existance or location. Should we assume that all students get the same letter? Can they only get into Diagon Alley when they have a specific purpose for being there (such as Hermione's parents helping her get ready for school) or could they come back anytime they wanted?

Somewhere we are told that muggle parents get a visit from a wizard at around the time the letter arrives. They explain to the parents about Hogwarts etc. Presumably they also tell them about the Leaky Cauldron. Whilst they may not see it their magical child will. Presumably they need someone magical to open the wall (the barman?)

To me it seems obvious that muggles can see Diagon Alley once they've been escorted in. On the occasion we saw the Grangers there, their daughter already knew how to get there.

For their first visit to buy Hermiones supplies before starting her first year I quess they got instructions to ask Tom to let them in.

I can't find a picture of the back anywhere? Would you know where to find one?

I made a picture from my PS edition, you can find it here (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=242942306&size=l).

I made a picture from my PS edition, you can find it here (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=242942306&size=l).


Thanks Annett that Back Cover definatley gives us the Appearence of three distinct words "FXI" along the lower border of the cloak. Wonder what that means? http://www.smilies-and-more.com/pics/smilies/confused/035.gif

The signs on the cloak are looking like runes. At least most of them are looking familar to me. :huh:

The signs on the cloak are looking like runes. At least most of them are looking familar to me. :huh:


Oh yes it does but that dosen't take us any further. Anyways I have put this question up on a forum where runes are dealt in detail, hope the experts reply soon and we come to know whether they really mean something or are just figmants of imagination of the cover designer. :D

Oh yes it does but that dosen't take us any further. Anyways I have put this question up on a forum where runes are dealt in detail, hope the experts reply soon and we come to know whether they really mean something or are just figmants of imagination of the cover designer. :D

Thats a great idea:tu:
Because the FXI doesn`t involved in Dumbledore, we haven`t any hint what it could mean.

Oh yes it does but that dosen't take us any further. Anyways I have put this question up on a forum where runes are dealt in detail, hope the experts reply soon and we come to know whether they really mean something or are just figmants of imagination of the cover designer. :D
Great idea. I know that each rune is a letter but also a word. When we are lucky then there's really written something there. :D

Here's the Futhark alphabet:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/0/06/Runen_futhark.jpg

Than FXI means AGI? English isn`t my first language, therefore I`m not used with abbreviations. Does that mean anything?

Great idea. I know that each rune is a letter but also a word. When we are lucky then there's really written something there. :D

Here's the Futhark alphabet:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/0/06/Runen_futhark.jpg

Which gives us, from the bottom of the cloak upwards

erpdelbmuj.jlbl

Which means nothing at all to me

Which gives us, from the bottom of the cloak upwards

erpdelbmuj.jlbl

Which means nothing at all to me
From the top down it reads 'Albus Dumbledore' (the a is hidden by the collar).

I DID seach and found nothing, so here goes.
In POA, why didn't Harry, Ron and Hermione ever EVER get a doubt why Harry was waiting to save himself from the dementors? Why didn't they get the doubt how they had travelled back in time without themselves knowing? They could have asked Dumbledore anytime they wanted then. Is this because JK didn't want to reveal the secret? Is this the main plot in book 7?

Or rather (a)lbus.dumbledare :)

I don't think that the 'agi.' at the bottom is any abbrevation. More probably they are the last three letters of a partly hidden word.

Anyway this is not artwork by Jo herself, and we know nothing about her possible cooperation with the artist.

Ron didn't travel back in time; Harry and Hermione did, and they knew how they did it (by using the Time-Turner).

Ron wasn't there for the Dementor episode by the lake; Harry was trying hard to cast a Patronus then but he couldn't. After that, when he and Hermione use the Time-Turner and he tells her James sent the Patronus, she thinks he's mistaken. He goes to the other side of the lake alone to see "James" come and drive the Dementors away; he doesn't cast his own Patronus until he realizes that he saw himself rather than his father--but Hermione isn't there and so doesn't realize he's delaying.

Agi are not the initials of the illustrator, because the first book was illustrated by Thomas Taylor. I`m not sure you can decipher this.

New thread! Oh, wow, it seems like 7 was only just started!....anyways, I don't think that the word on the bottom of the cloak have any kind of significance, but I guess you never know, JK could jump out at us in the last book, and be all like, if only you had deciphered the clue on the back cover of PS hidden on Dumbledore's cloak! You would've known that Snape was really Voldemort using Polyjuice potion the whole time!! (Or something equally shocking)...:lol:, on second thought, don't listen to me, I'm still tired. :lol:

I don't think that the 'agi.' at the bottom is any abbrevation. More probably they are the last three letters of a partly hidden word.

Thanks to morewords.com here is aa list of words ending in 'agi'...as well as dictionary.com for the definitions: (the words in Italics are my comments...if it wasn't obvious)

-anthropophagi: eaters of flesh; cannibals
Dumbledore's secret indulgence?

-choragi: those who undertake the expense of providing the chorus in ancient Greek drama (which in my opinion is an oddly specific word); or the leaders of a group or movement.
Dumbledore has always been both a patron of the arts and quite the leader, right?...right?

-esophagi: plural for the esophagus.
Dumbledore's favourite body part...

-magi: The 3 wiseman who visited Jesus; a class of Zoroastrian priests; or astrologers; a sorcerer or magician.
Dumbledore's old enough isn't he? Maybe it was him, Aberforth, and their good friend Flamel...

-oesophagi: see esophagi

-ragi: East Indian cereal grass whose seed yield a somewhat bitter flour, a staple in the Orient
DD's favourite breakfast!

-sarcophagi: stone coffins, usually decorated with sculpture
Well, he DID die...

-tragi: part of the ear (let's not go into the details)
He must've been keeping notes for med school on the bottom of his cloak...in ruins.

-vagi: nerves, known as the vagus nerve
see: comment on tragi

-yagi: a sharply directional antenna
*shakes head*

So maybe in order for the charm to work the soul must be intact, ie Wormtail can't have torn his soul by committing murder.

I don't think Wormtail's act was murder, more manslaughter. Yes, obviously people died and that was his aim but he didn't say avada kedavra or aim his wand at anyone specifically, the buildings blowing up actually killed the people. There is a subtle difference I think, so I don't think he has split his soul.

Did you mean that as Dumbledore died the protection ceased to act or the secret died with him, because if it is the former then I think you are mistaken because when the Caster dies the Fidelus Charm dosen't lift only the secret dies with the secret keeper. Here is what Lexicon had to say about it.

Lexicon"When a Secret-Keeper dies, their secret dies with them, or to put it another way, the status of their secret will remain as it was at the moment of their death. Everybody in whom they confided will continue to know the hidden information, but nobody else...

No, when the caster dies, the spell lifts. When a secret keeper dies, the secret goes with him. They are two different people. I'm supposing DD would not have cast the spell to make himself the secret keeper for 12 Grimmauld Place, and presumably he died before whomever cast it so the secret goes with him to his fiery furnace.

If either James or Lily cast the spell, they are not the secret keeper. If they die, then the spell is lifted. That's how I work it anyway, I think that's why we find out that Dumbledore's spell lifts from Harry because DD has died - it's made very clear in the book and to Harry.

Otherwise I suppose Peter managed to tell others about their whereabouts without giving away his secret keeper status.

No, when the caster dies, the spell lifts. When a secret keeper dies, the secret goes with him. They are two different people. I'm supposing DD would not have cast the spell to make himself the secret keeper for 12 Grimmauld Place, and presumably he died before whomever cast it so the secret goes with him to his fiery furnace.



Are you suggesting that Dumbledore wasn't the Secret Keeper or what? And I don't know how you are trying to differentiate between Caster and the Secret Keeper and their working.http://www.smilies-and-more.com/pics/smilies/confused/031.gif

For one thing is clear that when the secret keeper dies the secret remains but only those people who initially knew the secret would know about the secret and nobody else.
As for the caster I don't think it matters because the Charm dosen't lift when the caster dies.We are yet to know what happens to the secret when the caster dies.

I think JKR had said that although Dumbledore is dead the secret of 12 Grimmauld place won't die/perish. (correct me if I have imagined such a thing)
:D

No, that seems right to me. It wouldn't make sense if all you had to do was kill the caster and the spell would be removed. It wouldn't be as effective in keeping your secret if that was all it took to get around the spell.

Thanks everybody for trying to answer my question about the FXI. I will stick with the solution that it is the last 3 letters of the word 'magi' which stands for wizard(s). Well... we already knew he was a wizard so this hasn't brought us much more information. But it was interesting to try to decrypt it. Thanks.

Just a PS: The word magi is not exactly standard english, so the designer (Thomas Taylor) must have thought about it thoroughly, or must have done it in close collaboration with Rowling. That in itself may be a point to keep in mind.

Thanks everybody for trying to answer my question about the FXI. I will stick with the solution that it is the last 3 letters of the word 'magi' which stands for wizard(s). Well... we already knew he was a wizard so this hasn't brought us much more information. But it was interesting to try to decrypt it. Thanks.

:D It's what we're here for :D

ETA: Quick! Could someone with a book in front of them tell me the quote about the Seers coming up from the broken orbs??

This is probably the silliest question ever, but since I started re-reading the books, for the trillionth time, I spot little things.
In one of the earlier books, perhaps PS?, Ollivanders has a window display with just a pillow with a single wand sitting on it. Any idea's as to whom it belongs/ its significance?

I know we probably cant answer the question, but as I say, its been bugging me!:shrug:

This is probably the silliest question ever, but since I started re-reading the books, for the trillionth time, I spot little things.
In one of the earlier books, perhaps PS?, Ollivanders has a window display with just a pillow with a single wand sitting on it. Any idea's as to whom it belongs/ its significance?

I know we probably cant answer the question, but as I say, its been bugging me!

This question is one often asked, and I believe that the most popular answer is that it's like having a dress in the window of a dress shop, which doesn't necessarily mean that it's got some major significance.

Hope that eases your mind!

ETA: Quick! Could someone with a book in front of them tell me the quote about the Seers coming up from the broken orbs??

Two figures, pearly white as ghosts, fluid as smoke, unfurled themselves from the fragments of broken glass upon the floor and each began to speak; their voices vied with each other, so that only fragments of what they were saying could be heard over Malfoy and Bellatrix's voice.
"... at the solstice will come a new ..." said the figure of an old, beared man.

(...)

"... and none will come after..." said the figure of a young woman. ...

Is that the quote?

Yes! Thank you TENSHI!

Are you suggesting that Dumbledore wasn't the Secret Keeper or what? And I don't know how you are trying to differentiate between Caster and the Secret Keeper and their working.

No, Dd was not the secret keeper for Godric's Hollow, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that the fidelius charm is really complicated. If the Secret Keeper dies then the secret goes to the grave with them (but presumably there is a counter charm which can be performed by the caster). If the caster of the fidelius charm dies however, then the spell can possibly be lifted - as shown in Dumbledore's petrificus totalus of Harry. When DD died, the spell on Harry lifted.

Imagine how it would be if James and Lily had outlived Voldemort but Peter had died. If the spell can not be lifted then they would be forever hidden - not exactly a good way to live ones life. I'm suggesting that either Lily or James did the casting of the Fidelius Charm (presumably Lily because she was supposed to be good at charms) so when she died the Fidelius Charm lifted which was why people were able to find them (Harry) at Godric's Hollow.

Either that or as soon as Voldemort walked through the door they lifted the charm so that Harry/their bodies could be found.

OR DD knew the secret (somehow) and as he is the most powerful wizard alive (at that point) knew how to lift the charm - but not having any canon for this it's my least favourite option.

As for the caster I don't think it matters because the Charm dosen't lift when the caster dies.

Well, we don't know what happens as we have no proof of the Fidelius Charm and the caster dying. Presumably when DD became the secret keeper for 12 Grimmauld Place, someone else actually cast the spell. Or maybe it's even more complicated and the Secret Keeper can be the same as the caster if it's something you're good at (which DD would have been) so because DD was caster and keeper the secret goes with him.

I think JKR had said that although Dumbledore is dead the secret of 12 Grimmauld place won't die/perish. (correct me if I have imagined such a thing)

No, you're correct but that's because DD was the secret keeper. The only people who will know about 12 Grimmauld Place are those who knew about it before DD died. No-one else can find out about it now.

This question is one often asked, and I believe that the most popular answer is that it's like having a dress in the window of a dress shop, which doesn't necessarily mean that it's got some major significance.

Hope that eases your mind!



Thank you! bit less exciting than you'd like the answer to be eh?
hehe.

I wonder if Aberforth could have cast the charm for Grimmauld Place.

Wether the Fidelius charm is casted by the secret keeper or another person is a thing we don't know.

Thank you! bit less exciting than you'd like the answer to be eh?
hehe.

Your welcome! And yes, I agree that it should be more exciting :agree:

Thanks everybody for trying to answer my question about the FXI. I will stick with the solution that it is the last 3 letters of the word 'magi' which stands for wizard(s). Well... we already knew he was a wizard so this hasn't brought us much more information. But it was interesting to try to decrypt it. Thanks.

Just a PS: The word magi is not exactly standard english, so the designer (Thomas Taylor) must have thought about it thoroughly, or must have done it in close collaboration with Rowling. That in itself may be a point to keep in mind.

He may have done it in close collaboration with Rowling, but I doubt it. After all, Mary GrandPre made Harry left-handed in The Order of the Phoenix cover art. Sometimes things are just done for artistic effect, not to follow canon.

I'm impressed that you tried to decrypt it, though. Very cool! I would have been more like "Oh, look at the pretty pictures!" :lol:

You have to admit, the covers are really well done. Normally the cover is what first attracts a person to a book. HP is so popular already that it doesn't even have to try with the covers, and yet they always come out looking like the best books on the shelf. Kudos to the talented people who do the series justice with their great artwork.

Snape knew Sirius was innocent and still let him rot in Azkaban - another reason to hate him.

Sorry, ILHP, I was very intrigued by your sig line. Did Snape know that Sirius was innocent? (is this a little question, or is there a thread somewhere?) The thought never occurred to me!

True, Snape was a DE, but would he have known that Peter was a DE and that Sirius was not? And is that why Snape was so uncontrollably outraged when Sirius escaped at the end of PoA?

Sorry, ILHP, I was very intrigued by your sig line. Did Snape know that Sirius was innocent? (is this a little question, or is there a thread somewhere?) The thought never occurred to me!

True, Snape was a DE, but would he have known that Peter was a DE and that Sirius was not? And is that why Snape was so uncontrollably outraged when Sirius escaped at the end of PoA?

There was Snape knew Sirius was Innocent v2 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=95018&highlight=snape+knew+sirius+was+innocent) but it was closed and discussion is continuing in Reconstructing the Marauders (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=89644)

I can't believe anyone actually noticed my litle sig! I read a few theories on the thread that unconvinced mentioned and made that sig shortly after. I truly do believe that Snape was in the loop the whole time and knew Sirius was not the Potters' secret keeper. Maybe I'm just looking for reasons to hate him (besides him killing Dumbledore) but I never liked him and don't intend to change my mind anytime soon. JK herself is gonna have to say something before I start believing in Snape. :grumble:

I truly do believe that Snape was in the loop the whole time and knew Sirius was not the Potters' secret keeper. Maybe I'm just looking for reasons to hate him (besides him killing Dumbledore) but I never liked him and don't intend to change my mind anytime soon. JK herself is gonna have to say something before I start believing in Snape.

This is kinda off topic but I have to aggree with you. It would also explain why Dumbledore is angry at Snape at the end of PoA as he would have just found out from Sirius that Snape had been lying to him for years and condemned and innocent man.

I'm sorry but this thread is definitely not for hating Snape.
Well - not for loving him either.

Any more questions?

True. It makes you wonder... if Snape lied about that, what else has he been lying to Dumbledore about?

Which ties in to another question I wanted to ask. Did Dumbledore know that Sirius was innocent. Wasn't it his idea to have Peter be the secret keeper? I may be wrong here. Anyone know the answer?


Edit: sorry, didn't see the post before mine.

Which ties in to another question I wanted to ask. Did Dumbledore know that Sirius was innocent. Wasn't it his idea to have Peter be the secret keeper? I may be wrong here. Anyone know the answer?
It was Sirius's idea to make Peter the Secret Keeper, but I don't believe anyone shared the information of the switch with Dumbledore. Albus even said he "gave evidence" (sorry, I don't have my books with me for an exact passage) against Sirius. So, I do not believe Dumbledore knew Sirius was innocent.

That makes sense. It ties in with the idea that Dumbledore was mad at Snape at the end of PoA because Snape knew Sirius was innocent and didn't say anything. If Dumbledore already knew about Sirius not being secret keeper, then it wouldn't make any sense that that was the reason he was mad at Snape.

I don't recall Dumbledore being mad at Snape. He stopped Snape when he started shrieking about Harry being responsible, and he seemed amused that Snape missed out on his chance to be a hero, but I don't see where he was mad.

Of course Dumbledore already knew about Sirius not being secret keeper, he was one of the Potter's corrospondents during they're last days....

Sorry if this has been discussed, but during my two thousandth re-reading of The Lightning-Struck Tower, I noticed something I didn't before. Just before the DEs arrived, when DD was negotiating with Malfoy, he said that if Draco came over to the right side, then his entire family would be protected...including Lucius when he got out of Azkaban. I believe the quote is something like:

"Come over to the right side, Draco, and we can protect you. We can protect your mother, too. Your father is safe at the moment in Azkaban, but we can protect him when he is out as well..."

I don't understand this at all. I know DD tries to see good in everyone, but surely he KNOWS Lucius is one of the most loyal DEs? How could he possibly think he could reform?

I think that Dumbledore wanted to ease Draco's mind, and show him that while the Dark side threatens the good side protects, and looks out for one another, which is something I think Draco has never known. Slytherins are usually always out for number 1 themselves, Gryffindors Hufflepuffs, and Ravenclaws for the most part (pettigrew) try to help others.

But why would Dumbledore have lied about that?I myself gave evidence to the Ministry that Sirius had been the Potters' Secret-Keeper.

Of course Dumbledore already knew about Sirius not being secret keeper, he was one of the Potter's corrospondents during they're last days....

Why should Dumbledore sacrifice an order member, and he had, if he had known that Sirius wasn`t the secret keeper. Dumbledore didn`t know who it was, the fewer are knowing the saver they were. Intelligent people make mistakes in the bookes, and the`re greater than those from not so intelligent people. Sirius was associated with, he thought he can trick the Dark Lord.

Imagine how it would be if James and Lily had outlived Voldemort but Peter had died. If the spell can not be lifted then they would be forever hidden - not exactly a good way to live ones life. I'm suggesting that either Lily or James did the casting of the Fidelius Charm (presumably Lily because she was supposed to be good at charms) so when she died the Fidelius Charm lifted which was why people were able to find them (Harry) at Godric's Hollow.

I am Sorry but I diagree with you at this point. You are saying the above facts under the presumption that the House wasn't hidden but the Potter's were, whereas it might not be the case. If the House was only hidden then the Potter's would have been visible to everyone else once they were out of the House, I mean look at #12 Grimmauld Place, it is hidden not its residents thus when they leave the house they are visible to the entire world. So it wouldn't bother them even if the secret keeper dies.

As for how Dumbledore and the rest could see the House of Potter's at Godric Hollow I can only presume that your theory about the caster will explain it the best because no one other than Sirius, the Potter's and Petigrew knew that they had changed keepers. Implying that no one knew the Secret and therefore Hagrid could only have found the House and thus Harry because the charm must have lifted. Therefore here I totally support your caster theory. :tu:

Either that or as soon as Voldemort walked through the door they lifted the charm so that Harry/their bodies could be found.
Mind you they were dead by the time voldemort left so they could not have done Anything. :p

OR DD knew the secret (somehow) and as he is the most powerful wizard alive (at that point) knew how to lift the charm - but not having any canon for this it's my least favourite option.

Talking of least Favourite I think that is impossible.:lol:

Well, we don't know what happens as we have no proof of the Fidelius Charm and the caster dying. Presumably when DD became the secret keeper for 12 Grimmauld Place, someone else actually cast the spell. Or maybe it's even more complicated and the Secret Keeper can be the same as the caster if it's something you're good at (which DD would have been) so because DD was caster and keeper the secret goes with him.


Although we don't have any proof but I think your caster theory is correct. :clap:

I can't believe anyone actually noticed my litle sig!

I think the colour in which you have written your sig makes it quite unreadable. :D

I thought it was James's idea. Dumbledore offered to be secret-keeper, but James refused, saying that "Black would rather die than tell Him thier whereabouts" (Fudge POA). Sirius then changed with Pettigrew, who was planning to go into hiding himself, and on Halloween Sirius checked Peter was OK in his hiding place, saw he wasn't there, realised what must have happened and went to Godric's Hollow, where he met Hagrid.

...Well, of course, You-Know-Who wasn't an easy person to hide from. Dumbledore told them that their best chance was the Fidlelius Charm." (Fudge)

(snipped the "how it works speech")

"So Black was the Potter's Secret-Keeper?" whispered Madame Rosmerta.

"Naturally, said McGonagall. "James Potter told Dumbledore that Black would rather die than tell where they were, that Black was going into hiding himself...and yet Dumbledore remained worried. I remember him offering to be the Potters' Secret Keeper himself."

And that's as far as that goes without their assumptions that Sirius betrayed the Potters.

Then the rest of the story goes thus:

"Harry...I as good as killed them [Sirius] croaked. "I persuaded them to change to Peterat the last moment, persuaded them to use him as Secret-Keeper instead of me...I'm to blame, I know it...The night they died, I'd arranged to check on Peter, make sure he was still safe, but when I arrived at his hiding place, he'd gone. Yet there was no sign of a struggle. It didn't feel right. I was scared. I set out for your parent's house straight away. And when I saw their house, their bodies...I realized what Peter must've done...what I'd done...."

"Come over to the right side, Draco, and we can protect you. We can protect your mother, too. Your father is safe at the moment in Azkaban, but we can protect him when he is out as well..."

I don't understand this at all. I know DD tries to see good in everyone, but surely he KNOWS Lucius is one of the most loyal DEs? How could he possibly think he could reform?

I think Dumbledore felt/thought that Lucius was possibly regretting his stance with Voldemort now. DD would have known that Lucius was not Voldemort's favourite person and probably that death awaited him when he got out of Azkaban - after all Snape is spying for both sides and probably knows the fate that awaits Lucius when he comes out of Azkaban.

Lucius is a father who, with all his failings, does seem to love his son and wants to be proud of him. He is probably severely regretting his actions and the fact that they led to Draco being given such severe orders, ones that he probably won't be able to fulfill.

So I think he's probably right in thinking that Lucius would come over to the right side if, at the very least, he could guarantee protection.

As for whether Snape knew Sirius was not the secret keeper and whether DD was cross with him... I don't think Snape did know that it was not Sirius, and also, who would really have believed him if he did say something to that effect. I don't think DD was cross with Snape over this as he still...to the very end...defended and trusted Snape. Condemning an innocent man to 13 years in Azkaban would definitely be something worth thinking about on trust issues!

As for whether Snape knew Sirius was not the secret keeper and whether DD was cross with him... I don't think Snape did know that it was not Sirius, and also, who would really have believed him if he did say something to that effect. I don't think DD was cross with Snape over this as he still...to the very end...defended and trusted Snape. Condemning an innocent man to 13 years in Azkaban would definitely be something worth thinking about on trust issues!

Erm... when was Dumbledore cross with Snape?:blush:

As for Snape knowing I think it can be possible because he was a Death Eater and would have known that Peter was the Secret Keeper. I mean Snape was right in the inner circle and therefore he would have known an information like this. Although he might not have known the exact secret but just the fact that Peter was the secret keeper.

As for Snape knowing I think it can be possible because he was a Death Eater and would have known that Peter was the Secret Keeper. I mean Snape was right in the inner circle and therefore he would have known an information like this. Although he might not have known the exact secret but just the fact that Peter was the secret keeper.

Ignore this if I'm not right about the fact that we are still arguing about Snape knowing Sirius was innocent.

Because even though you are right about Snape probably knowing that Wormtail was the one feeding information to Voldemort...when Sirius supposedly blew up the street, that bit of information didn't help one bit.

What I would assume if I were in Snape's position was that Sirius had found out that Peter was a Death Eater, and was absolutely furious at the fact that he was feeding information to Lord Voldemort and killed him, blowing up the street and 12 muggles with it....

So in conclusion Snape couldn't know from being inside the Death Eaters that Sirius was innocent of the murder of 13 people.

Okay folks. Snape might have known, but we have no evidence for or against.

The only clue is that some of Sirius' fellow prisoners considered Peter a traitor. That seems to imply that the DEs knew about him being the Secret Keeper.

Next question please.

Erm... when was Dumbledore cross with Snape?

I think people mean in GoF at the end in the "Parting of the Ways", but there's also Snape's frustration or determination to insist that Lupin was somehow helping Sirius into the grounds in Prisoner which did get DD to say that Snape should basically drop it.

Next question please.

If the Secret Keeper dies then the secret goes to the grave with them (but presumably there is a counter charm which can be performed by the caster). If the caster of the fidelius charm dies however, then the spell can possibly be lifted - as shown in Dumbledore's petrificus totalus of Harry. When DD died, the spell on Harry lifted.

Imagine how it would be if James and Lily had outlived Voldemort but Peter had died. If the spell can not be lifted then they would be forever hidden - not exactly a good way to live ones life. I'm suggesting that either Lily or James did the casting of the Fidelius Charm (presumably Lily because she was supposed to be good at charms) so when she died the Fidelius Charm lifted which was why people were able to find them (Harry) at Godric's Hollow.

Either that or as soon as Voldemort walked through the door they lifted the charm so that Harry/their bodies could be found.

OR DD knew the secret (somehow) and as he is the most powerful wizard alive (at that point) knew how to lift the charm - but not having any canon for this it's my least favourite option.

Is it possible that the Fidelius charm was cast by Peter on himself, and he was clever enough to lift it when he faked his own death, thereby confirming in everyone's mind that he was dead? (I haven't though this through, yet....)

After a re-read of POA today, I have a few questions...

1. Why would Mr Weasley need to go to Azkaban?
2. Can Dementors talk/communicate?
3. If Harry had told Lupin about the dog he'd seen in Magnolia Crescent during their chat in his office, would Lupin have recognised that it was Sirius?

Hi everyone! I'm new here and I was wondering if anyone out there new what kind of wand Pro. Lupin has? He's my favorite and I've been looking all over for the answer but haven't been able to find it on my own. Anyone have an idea?

Thanks a bunch!
Chewie

1. It was probably something for the Ministry...but I see your confusion (I'm confused now too) why would someone of his position be needed to be sent to Azkaban? I think I'm gonna look up the quote, because I have a feeling he went in someone's place.
2. I'm sure they can in some way...we just aren't certain how. Perhaps telepathically? Nvm, that's probably not it...
3. No, I don't think so, because from what Harry's descpription would be, there wouldn't be a way for Lupin to make the connection to Sirius.

:welcome: Chewbecca2001

I know this will be of no help, and I'm not even sure if I'm right, but I don't think Jo has ever stated what kind of wand Lupin has. I know that was useless, but welcome to the forums anyway. :D

Hello! and :welcome: to CoS!!

I don't think I can really help you, but you might want to try Little Questions Answered v.8 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=95422)

1) I have no idea. Maybe he was in a different department at the time.
2) Probably, they have mouths, so I'd presume they have toungues. *Thinks of Dementor's Kiss* Ewww
3) I'm not sure, probably not in the name of "Not Killing the Plotline in the middle".

I don't mean he would have told someone, just would he have recognised it earlier?

I don't think I can help you...I don't know if anyone can help you, seeing as as far as I know it's not mentioned anywhere. Try the little questions thread, or the Lexicon (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/index-2.html).
If nothing there...it would appear only JKR (and Lupin....if only he was real) know, so this thread's not going anywhere much...

I'm pretty sure it's never mentioned, but the HP lexicon is your best bet. Sorry i don't have a link. Welcome to the forums though. I hope you won't be dissapointed by our extreme unhelpfullness.

By the way, since you're new, if you want to check out a really cool thread, you should go to the Spoof Riddle diary entries thread on the Quidditch pitch (the link is in my sig). You'l have reading material for weeks and you'l be laughing your head off.

By the way, since you're new, if you want to check out a really cool thread, you should go to the Spoof Riddle diary entries thread on the Quidditch pitch (the link is in my sig). You'l have reading material for weeks and you'l be laughing your head off.


:elaugh: I started reading this thread a few weeks ago and can't get enough of it. It was the craziest thing I had ever seen in my life. Love it! :D

I know that somewhere in the books Dumbledore says in one of his speaches to Harry " What did I care if hundreds of nameless faceless strangers died as long as you were safe " . I'm probably not quoting that right but I'm going by memory and its getting weak . Does anyone know what the Quote really is and can you post it and which book its in ?. Thank you in advance .

twins:p

Im not really sure why dumbledore froze harry, giving up his last chance for defense. dumbledore could have blocked it, and stupefied malfoy. place your thoughts here.

He was probably too weak to block it. He said earlier that night that Harry's blood was way more important than his. He didn't want Harry to be in any danger. He also probably wouldn't have had time to look at his attacker. It may have been Voldemort for all he knew, which, incidently, didn't seem to be much at this stage.

Is it possible that the Fidelius charm was cast by Peter on himself, and he was clever enough to lift it when he faked his own death, thereby confirming in everyone's mind that he was dead? (I haven't though this through, yet....)

Oh no it can't be because it is clearly mentioned in PoA that after blasting off the street and cutting off his finger Peter just tranformed into his rat form and joined the group of Rats that were escaping the crime scene.

He was probably too weak to block it. He said earlier that night that Harry's blood was way more important than his. He didn't want Harry to be in any danger. He also probably wouldn't have had time to look at his attacker. It may have been Voldemort for all he knew, which, incidently, didn't seem to be much at this stage.

I think you might be correct because he had realized that it was all a setup and therefore feared that somebody more stronger than Malfoy was comming to trap them, I mean he hadn't anticipated only Malfoy's arrival, he was anticipating a bigger attack, and therefore tried to put Harry out of harm's way so that even if he was sacrificed in the course of action atleast one of them i.e. Harry could carry on with the task to destroy the Horcruxes and eventually defeat Voldemort, moreover he knew that Harry's survival was more necessary than his because only Harry had the power to vanquish the Dark Lord.

After a re-read of POA today, I have a few questions...

1. Why would Mr Weasley need to go to Azkaban?
2. Can Dementors talk/communicate?
3. If Harry had told Lupin about the dog he'd seen in Magnolia Crescent during their chat in his office, would Lupin have recognised that it was Sirius?

1. Its a very interesting question, I think Ron mentioned this somewhere in PoA, but I can`t remember where. Can anyone tell me?

2. They can communicate, otherwise the can`t have surrounded Sirius. If they can`t communicate, there were gaps in the circle.

3. Ìn my opinion Lupin would have recognised the dog, but because the story doesn`t work, Harry hadn`t told him.

I know that somewhere in the books Dumbledore says in one of his speaches to Harry " What did I care if hundreds of nameless faceless strangers died as long as you were safe " . I'm probably not quoting that right but I'm going by memory and its getting weak . Does anyone know what the Quote really is and can you post it and which book its in ?. Thank you in advance .

twins:p


The quote you are talking about is from OotP:

What did I care if numbers of nameless and faceless people and creatures were slaughtered in the near future, if in the here and now you were alive, and well, and happy?

Is it possible that the Fidelius charm was cast by Peter on himself, and he was clever enough to lift it when he faked his own death, thereby confirming in everyone's mind that he was dead? (I haven't though this through, yet....)

I think it would have taken an exceptionally gifted wizard to perform both parts of this spell. Having seen an unbreakable vow and how that needs a caster, and the freezing spell which lifted when DD died, I put two and two together and came up with my own conclusion, right or wrong I don't know but obviously Jo doesn't put things in her books unless they important and I just wonder if these two particular things have more significance than meets the eye.

I don't think Peter is gifted enough to perform these spells, I think anything he did when he was with Voldemort was guided by Voldemort and not using his own intelligence, so no, I personally don't think he would have been able to cast the spell himself.

Has JKR ever said how Fred & George knew how to use the Marauder's Map? "I solemnly swear that I a m up to no good" & "mischief managed" are pretty darn specific.

Im not really sure why dumbledore froze harry, giving up his last chance for defense. dumbledore could have blocked it, and stupefied malfoy. place your thoughts here.


the reason he froze harry was because DD needed to do this for himself. And I think that Harry would have interfered with what DD was planning/wanted to do.

Is it possible that the Fidelius charm was cast by Peter on himself, and he was clever enough to lift it when he faked his own death, thereby confirming in everyone's mind that he was dead? (I haven't though this through, yet....)


I don't think that it would be possible. McGonagal always said that without James and Sirius, Peter would have been nothing. Peter is kind of like Neville. Not that great with a wand, but can be cleaver and confrontational if the occasion warrents it. Ex. Peter went after Sirius, and Neville stood up to the Trio is SS/PS at the end. I highly doubt that peter would be at all capable to put such a complex spell on himself.

Has JKR ever said how Fred & George knew how to use the Marauder's Map? "I solemnly swear that I a m up to no good" & "mischief managed" are pretty darn specific.

I don't think she has... I have always wondered that myself. And how to figure out how to wipe it blank. Maybe if the map knows your not a prof. and that your a student and would give you how to open in.

I don't think she has... I have always wondered that myself. And how to figure out how to wipe it blank. Maybe if the map knows your not a prof. and that your a student and would give you how to open in.

She has...she said that she's always had this idea in her head that they were just messing around with it...and that seems like something they would say out of jest...but hey! it turned out it's right!

I'll find the official quote for you...

MA: How did they figure out how to work the map?

JKR: Don't you — well. This is how I explained it to myself at the time, and this does sound glib. Don't you think it would be quite a Fred and Georgeish thing to say in jest, and then see this thing transform?

MA: Yeah.

JKR: Can't you just see them?

ES: But the exact word combination? Is that just a lot of luck, or Felix Felicis —

JKR: Or, the map helped.

MA: Yep, yeah. You can see them sort of answering and joking with each other —

JKR: And the map flickering into life here and there when they got closer and closer, and finally they hit upon the exact right word combination and it just erupts.

ahh yes....I read that a while ago...but I completely forgot about it! thanks!

Has JKR ever said how Fred & George knew how to use the Marauder's Map? "I solemnly swear that I a m up to no good" & "mischief managed" are pretty darn specific.

EverLore does answer this, as you've seen, but it does also go to show that Fred and George are more intelligent than even they think! Amazing how they even spent time on a piece of what appears to be blank parchment, although I suppose the minute they started talking to it it would have "talked" back, so maybe not so amazing!!! :lol:

I don't think she has... I have always wondered that myself. And how to figure out how to wipe it blank. Maybe if the map knows your not a prof. and that your a student and would give you how to open in.

Thats what I thought exept that instead of opening to any old student it would have sensed that Fred and George were similar to the marauders and so opened up for them.

I think this must have had been asked before but I really don't have the heart to search through all the 7 volumes of this thread so I think I would better put it up.

Does Voldemort know that Harry is a parselmouth? Also can Harry speak in parseltongue in front of other wizards I mean can he converse with other parselmouth's like Voldemort and Guants convered.

I think he mentions in the graveyard scene but I'm really not sure. It was published in the Prophet and all his school mates know so even if he didn't find out by him self I'm sure someone has told him by now.

The quote you are talking about is from OotP:


Quote:
What did I care if numbers of nameless and faceless people and creatures were slaughtered in the near future, if in the here and now you were alive, and well, and happy?

Thank You , I_love_HP .:clap: I knew that someone would know it .:tu:

Ok, rereading HBP for the umpteenth time, and a thought struck me.

Harry was sure Malfoy had given that cursed necklace to Katie Bell in the Three Broomsticks. McGonagall says not possible, Malfoy was doing a detention with her. But Malfoy, we learned, had Polyjuice Potion. Could he have switched places with someone else to get the deed done? Blaise Zabini was seen lounging there, all by his lonesome...what if he & Malfoy had switched places with Polyjuice?

:Huh:

I think Rosmerta must've had the necklace before that week-end wating for the moment to pass it on to some Hogwarts girl to take it. There would be no need for Malfoy himself to go to the pub.

Someone had to have Imperiused Rosmerta, in order for her to take the necklace and then Imperius Katie Bell into taking it....?

Someone had to have Imperiused Rosmerta, in order for her to take the necklace and then Imperius Katie Bell into taking it....?

I always thought an imperiused Rosmerta imperiused Katie Bell, if you can follow that logic! :)

Ok, rereading HBP for the umpteenth time, and a thought struck me.

Harry was sure Malfoy had given that cursed necklace to Katie Bell in the Three Broomsticks. McGonagall says not possible, Malfoy was doing a detention with her. But Malfoy, we learned, had Polyjuice Potion. Could he have switched places with someone else to get the deed done? Blaise Zabini was seen lounging there, all by his lonesome...what if he & Malfoy had switched places with Polyjuice?

:Huh:

That is a great Idea ,and is quite possible as we see on the train to school that they were on good terms with each other .
So its possible that Draco might have talked Blaise into helping him out . Draco could have even have just paid Blaise to take his place ,like he did with the Slytherin Seeker who's name escapes me right now.

Rosmerta's part in both the necklace incident and the poisoned mead was explained in the tower scene in chapter 27. :)

I always thought an imperiused Rosmerta imperiused Katie Bell, if you can follow that logic!Yes, absolutely, that's what we have from canon.

All I'm suggesting is that Malfoy was in Hogsmeade---Polyjuiced as Zabini, that he Imperiused Rosmerta, provided her the cursed necklace and had her take care of Katie Bell.

Harry suggested Malfoy stole the Polyjuice Potion that first lesson in Sept...which means he could have been, and probably was, using it all along.

Thank You , I_love_HP .:clap: I knew that someone would know it .:tu:


;) That's what I'm here for. I brought my HP books with me to college just in case of an emergency such as this one. :D

Yes, absolutely, that's what we have from canon.

All I'm suggesting is that Malfoy was in Hogsmeade---Polyjuiced as Zabini, that he Imperiused Rosmerta, provided her the cursed necklace and had her take care of Katie Bell.

Harry suggested Malfoy stole the Polyjuice Potion that first lesson in Sept...which means he could have been, and probably was, using it all along.

Didn't Harry figure out that Malfoy had been using the Polyjuice on Crabbe and Goyle to turn them into first years & make them less suspicious looking?

For Malfoy to be in Hogsmeade, he would have not only had to Polyjuice himself, but also Polyjuice someone else to look like him, and make sure he was back within the hour, because I doubt Prof. McGonagall would have let him swig out of a flask during his detention. Besides, he'd already Imperiused Rosmerta and given her her instructions regarding the necklace. His presence would not have been necessary.

I think this must have had been asked before but I really don't have the heart to search through all the 7 volumes of this thread so I think I would better put it up.

Does Voldemort know that Harry is a parselmouth? Also can Harry speak in parseltongue in front of other wizards I mean can he converse with other parselmouth's like Voldemort and Guants convered.

I'm guessing that thanks to either Wormtail or Snape Voldemort will definitely know that Harry is a parselmouth.

All I'm suggesting is that Malfoy was in Hogsmeade---Polyjuiced as Zabini, that he Imperiused Rosmerta, provided her the cursed necklace and had her take care of Katie Bell.

Harry suggested Malfoy stole the Polyjuice Potion that first lesson in Sept...which means he could have been, and probably was, using it all along.

Rosmerta was permanently under the imperius curse, it wasn't something that was "switched on and off", she was under Draco's control from the first moment he did it until the Ministry workers would have removed it, so Draco would not need to go into Hogsmeade. He would have somehow communicated the necklace plan with her and she would have done it without Draco needing to be there - she would have known she had to hand the necklace over to someone and that someone would need to be imperiused too.

I think that Blaize was lurking to keep an eye on Rosmerta or maybe he was keeping her under the impeirece curse....that group of Slytherins knew that he was in league with LV....

She has...she said that she's always had this idea in her head that they were just messing around with it...and that seems like something they would say out of jest...but hey! it turned out it's right!

I'll find the official quote for you...

MA: How did they figure out how to work the map?

JKR: Don't you — well. This is how I explained it to myself at the time, and this does sound glib. Don't you think it would be quite a Fred and Georgeish thing to say in jest, and then see this thing transform?

MA: Yeah.

JKR: Can't you just see them?

ES: But the exact word combination? Is that just a lot of luck, or Felix Felicis —

JKR: Or, the map helped.

MA: Yep, yeah. You can see them sort of answering and joking with each other —

JKR: And the map flickering into life here and there when they got closer and closer, and finally they hit upon the exact right word combination and it just erupts.


Thank you very much! I was sure it was covered somewhere. That's pretty much how I pictured it!

Could you pass through the veil wearing the invisibility cloak? and if you could would the cloak protect you in any way? In SS, on page 201, Harry recieves the cloak. Heres the wording

This only left one parcel. Harry picked it up and felt it. It was very light. He unwraped it.
Something fluid and silvery gray went slithering to the floor where it lay in gleaming folds. Ron Gasped
I've heard of those he said in a hushed voice, dropping the box of every flavor beans he'd gotten from Hermioned. If thats what I think it is... They're really rare, and really valuable.
What is it?
Harry picked up the shining, silvery cloth off the floor. It was strange to the touch, like water woven into material.

Could this same cloak have other powers other than just turning the person(s) who wears it invisible?

Could you pass through the veil wearing the invisibility cloak? and if you could would the cloak protect you in any way? In SS, on page 201, Harry recieves the cloak. Heres the wording

This only left one parcel. Harry picked it up and felt it. It was very light. He unwraped it.
Something fluid and silvery gray went slithering to the floor where it lay in gleaming folds. Ron Gasped
I've heard of those he said in a hushed voice, dropping the box of every flavor beans he'd gotten from Hermioned. If thats what I think it is... They're really rare, and really valuable.
What is it?
Harry picked up the shining, silvery cloth off the floor. It was strange to the touch, like water woven into material.

Could this same cloak have other powers other than just turning the person(s) who wears it invisible?

That is quite a good question but I don't think we have the answer. It could be thought that to be able to become invisible is it's value as that can be pretty priceless, but yes, maybe there is more. I'm not sure about the veil though, as that is meant to signify death, and you can't easily cheat death but who knows?

What i dont understand is why no one talks about the argument beween snaps and DD in book 6? the one that hagrid told them about.

That is quite a good question but I don't think we have the answer. It could be thought that to be able to become invisible is it's value as that can be pretty priceless, but yes, maybe there is more. I'm not sure about the veil though, as that is meant to signify death, and you can't easily cheat death but who knows?

I don't think it is possible because so far whenever we have seen the invisibility cloak used we find that it shows no other Magical power clearly suggesting that they are just meant for Hiding oneself and nothing else. And why are they rare because they have a permanent effect and hide whomsoever and for as long as it is required, I mean its effect dosen't die out like the effect of Fred & George's Headless Hats. Now to create such a longlasting effect it has to have a very strong invisibility charm over it and must be created under specific conditions (Like various Potions) therefore they are very Rare.

As usual, I did a search, didn't find anything....

In the Philosopher's Stone, when Dumbledore receives Quirrel's fake urgent letter from the Ministry, he heads off straight away and does not arrive back at Hogwarts until Harry has already gone after the stone. But why did he fly there? If it was an emergency, he need only have left school grounds and then apparated to the Ministry, and then of course he would not have been gone long enough for Quirrel to get to the stone.

We know he must have flown because he took an awfully long time about it, and he says that Hermione's owl must have crossed him in mid-air on the way back. Even if he did fly to London, why didn't he apparate back if he decided something must be wrong? Flying from London to Scotland must take ages!

As usual, I did a search, didn't find anything....

In the Philosopher's Stone, when Dumbledore receives Quirrel's fake urgent letter from the Ministry, he heads off straight away and does not arrive back at Hogwarts until Harry has already gone after the stone. But why did he fly there? If it was an emergency, he need only have left school grounds and then apparated to the Ministry, and then of course he would not have been gone long enough for Quirrel to get to the stone.

We know he must have flown because he took an awfully long time about it, and he says that Hermione's owl must have crossed him in mid-air on the way back. Even if he did fly to London, why didn't he apparate back if he decided something must be wrong? Flying from London to Scotland must take ages!


What he meant by crossing paths was Hermione was on her way to Owlery and Dumbledore was coming back. He said,
"Harry's gone after him hasn't he" and then left to chase after Harry.
The owl that Quirrell sent must have been a letter stating that his appearence was needed at the ministry of magic and if he could arrive there soon...or something of that nature.

This may have been asked before. We know that all of the magic schools are very secretive about their location, not only when it comes to Muggles, but with other magic people as well. Karakaroff says something about not wanting other wizards to figure out where Durmstrang is in GoF. If they are all so secretive, how did the Beauxbatons and Durmstrang groups find Hogwarts for the Triwizard Tournament?

This may have been asked before. We know that all of the magic schools are very secretive about their location, not only when it comes to Muggles, but with other magic people as well. Karakaroff says something about not wanting other wizards to figure out where Durmstrang is in GoF. If they are all so secretive, how did the Beauxbatons and Durmstrang groups find Hogwarts for the Triwizard Tournament?

The information was probably shared amoung the headteachers of each school, for the reasons you pointed out (to find the school).

Plus...we all know that Dumbledore is a bit more welcoming than Karkaroff...(which may be why the Triwizard Tournament was held at Hogwarts as opposed to the secretive Durmstrang)

Rosmerta was permanently under the imperius curse, it wasn't something that was "switched on and off", she was under Draco's control from the first moment he did it until the Ministry workers would have removed it, so Draco would not need to go into Hogsmeade. He would have somehow communicated the necklace plan with her and she would have done it without Draco needing to be there - she would have known she had to hand the necklace over to someone and that someone would need to be imperiused too.I'm not suggesting it was an 'on' and 'off' thing, though. I'm suggesting that Malfoy Imperiused her that day.
Remember, Hogwarts security was much tighter, the secret passages---all of them---were being guarded, and that was the first Hogmeade's trip of the year.

Draco didn't take the necklace with him from Borgin and Burkes, when did he get that?

Draco didn't take the necklace with him from Borgin and Burkes, when did he get that?
Prehaps Fenrir Greyback picked it up for him on one of his stops in to check on the Vanishing Cabinet repair info for Draco ? It had to be moved up to Hogsmeade by someone other than Draco thats for sure so why not Greyback ?

Prehaps Fenrir Greyback picked it up for him on one of his stops in to check on the Vanishing Cabinet repair info for Draco ? It had to be moved up to Hogsmeade by someone other than Draco thats for sure so why not Greyback ?Draco's attempts were, according to Dumbledore 'half-hearted' and almost juvenile...this does not suggest to me that Voldemort's adult Death Eaters were behind them.

Fenrir Greyback, most feared werewolf and faithful DE, strolls casually into the Three Broomsticks and Imperiused Rosmerta with none the wiser? Especially with Hogsmeade under guard by the MoM now, courtesy of Aurors?

I know my suggestion of the use of Polyjuice to get Malfoy to Hogsmeade isn't truly an answerable question...perhaps I'll start a thread on it?

Draco could have sent a message to B & B with an owl who could have delivered the carefully wrapped package.

My new question is this:

If wizards are able to conjure things, why is money needed at all. Why are the Weasleys poor and why does Lupin dress shabbily. Remember when Harry learned of Merope's death, he said in shock to Dumbledore, "But she's a witch! She could have gotten anything for herself"

Clearly getting food and other stuff is possible. Dumbledore conjured two chairs during Harry's trial. Merope perhaps lost her ability through despair and refused to do witchcraft anymore, but that doesn't mean wizards aren't able to conjure what they need. Why then is there even a Diagonalley?

If wizards are able to conjure things, why is money needed at all. Why are the Weasleys poor and why does Lupin dress shabbily. Remember when Harry learned of Merope's death, he said in shock to Dumbledore, "But she's a witch! She could have gotten anything for herself"

Clearly getting food and other stuff is possible. Dumbledore conjured two chairs during Harry's trial. Merope perhaps lost her ability through despair and refused to do witchcraft anymore, but that doesn't mean wizards aren't able to conjure what they need. Why then is there even a Diagonalley?

Because according to Jo, there's a limit on what wizards can conjure, and how long it will last etc.

I wuold find you the interveiw quote...but I don't have time...

I'm not suggesting it was an 'on' and 'off' thing, though. I'm suggesting that Malfoy Imperiused her that day.
Remember, Hogwarts security was much tighter, the secret passages---all of them---were being guarded, and that was the first Hogmeade's trip of the year.

Draco didn't take the necklace with him from Borgin and Burkes, when did he get that?

Well, when did he get the Hand of Glory and how did Harry & Ron know he had it? We know from canon that Mr. Malfoy didn't buy it for him in CoS.

In the Philosopher's Stone, when Dumbledore receives Quirrel's fake urgent letter from the Ministry, he heads off straight away and does not arrive back at Hogwarts until Harry has already gone after the stone. But why did he fly there? If it was an emergency, he need only have left school grounds and then apparated to the Ministry, and then of course he would not have been gone long enough for Quirrel to get to the stone.

We know he must have flown because he took an awfully long time about it, and he says that Hermione's owl must have crossed him in mid-air on the way back. Even if he did fly to London, why didn't he apparate back if he decided something must be wrong? Flying from London to Scotland must take ages!

London is quite a way from Hogswarts (if we assume it's Scotland) and we know from Hagrid that DD uses the thestrals when he is doing a long journey. We also know that the thestrals fly very fast (much faster than brooms). So we can probably assume that DD flew by thestral to London because it was too far to apparate to (although not impossible) and because they were faster than brooms.

I'm not suggesting it was an 'on' and 'off' thing, though. I'm suggesting that Malfoy Imperiused her that day.
Remember, Hogwarts security was much tighter, the secret passages---all of them---were being guarded, and that was the first Hogmeade's trip of the year.

Draco didn't take the necklace with him from Borgin and Burkes, when did he get that?

Okay, sorry, I see what you're saying. I guess we don't actually know when he imperiused Rosmerta, and yes, that was the first trip into Hogsmeade, maybe he was leaving the school at other times.

As for getting the necklace...maybe he was able to do it "mail order"

Well, when did he get the Hand of Glory and how did Harry & Ron know he had it? We know from canon that Mr. Malfoy didn't buy it for him in CoS.I don't think we ever got any information on that.

We know that Lucius was going to buy Draco a broom and that he didn't think much of B & ** statement that the Hand of Glory was a friend to thieves. Draco, however, seemed to really like it. Draco did return to B & ** in HBP and bought some items. We do not know exactly what they were but we can assume the Hand was one of them. As for the neckalce, I suggest again that he sent an owl to collect it.

Well, when did he get the Hand of Glory and how did Harry & Ron know he had it? We know from canon that Mr. Malfoy didn't buy it for him in CoS.
I think that this is probably something like how Harry got the Marauder's Map back. JKR didn't tell us that he got the Map back, but she assumed that we would think that the next time he was passing by Moody's office then he would grab it. Therefore, my answer to this is that Harry told Ron about the Hand of Glory (that's how Ron knew about it) after his excursion into Borgin and Burkes, and that Lucius/Draco bought the Hand the next time they went to Borgin and Burkes. Of course, it is possible that instead of buying those items Lucius wanted to sell Borgin traded him the Hand of Glory for some.

Dunno if this has been asked before, but on my umpteenth reread of GoF, I noticed that after Harry and Co. go through the portkey to the Quidditch World Cup, Mr. Weasley picks up the boot and tosses it into a box of other portkeys.If the same rules apply to all portkeys, then should'nt Mr. Weasley have been transported back to the village hill from which they started from, as it was in the graveyard when Harry grabbed the portkey and was transported to Hogwarts?

To me it seems obvious that muggles can see Diagon Alley once they've been escorted in. On the occasion we saw the Grangers there, their daughter already knew how to get there.

For their first visit to buy Hermiones supplies before starting her first year I quess they got instructions to ask Tom to let them in.

I think Its possible that first timer's from muggle families have a wizard guide assigned to meet them at the entrance to the leaky cauldron. I've wondered if a muggle could pass thru the wall at platform 9and three quarters if they were with a wizard?

Dunno if this has been asked before, but on my umpteenth reread of GoF, I noticed that after Harry and Co. go through the portkey to the Quidditch World Cup, Mr. Weasley picks up the boot and tosses it into a box of other portkeys.If the same rules apply to all portkeys, then should'nt Mr. Weasley have been transported back to the village hill from which they started from, as it was in the graveyard when Harry grabbed the portkey and was transported to Hogwarts?
Maybe you can make a portkey one way or also work as a return. For the Quiddich World Cup, they only had to take it one way. For the tournament, Voldemort may have wanted the cup as a way back to Hogwarts so it didn't appear as though the cup was missing. Of course I'm not sure how you would direct the cup to go back on its own, except maybe with a spell. Well, it's a guess.

Dunno if this has been asked before, but on my umpteenth reread of GoF, I noticed that after Harry and Co. go through the portkey to the Quidditch World Cup, Mr. Weasley picks up the boot and tosses it into a box of other portkeys.If the same rules apply to all portkeys, then should'nt Mr. Weasley have been transported back to the village hill from which they started from, as it was in the graveyard when Harry grabbed the portkey and was transported to Hogwarts?

That was because if you read the conversation that Harry had with James you might find that James gives Harry instructions of what to do after the link between him and Voldemort is broken and one of the instructions include information that they i.e. the images of James etc have activated (I coudn't find a suitable word :blush:) the Portkey and it would take Harry back to Hogwarts.

Now how they could have done it is a mystery.

I guess we don't actually know when he imperiused Rosmerta, and yes, that was the first trip into Hogsmeade, maybe he was leaving the school at other times.

Or maybe he got it done by some other people like Blaise Zabini. Because he couldn't have crossed the tight security of Hogwarts in any case unless helped by a teacher (because we all know that only a teacher could have opened the doors and the secret passages were being watched) and he was always reluctant to apprach even Snape let alone the other teachers.

That was because if you read the conversation that Harry had with James you might find that James gives Harry instructions of what to do after the link between him and Voldemort is broken and one of the instructions include information that they i.e. the images of James etc have activated (I coudn't find a suitable word ) the Portkey and it would take Harry back to Hogwarts.
James only told Harry to go to the Portkey, because it will return him back to Hogwarts. Nothing that suggests that James did something with the portkey.

I have searched and found nothing to answer my question. Please point me in the right direction if this has been detailed elsewhere;
On the Chocolate Frog Card, I remember it stating that Dumbledore was particularly famous for his defeat of the Dark Wizard Grindlewald and his work on Alchemy with Nicholas Flamel.
So, being as Alchemy is the study of turning base metals into gold (a believed side-effect the Philosopher's Stone and the resultant Elixir of Life) what could Dumbledore have to offer Flamel? Flamel was alive for 400+ years before Albus was even born. Did I miss a clue somewhere? Or, was it specified what assistence Dumbledore could possibly be to a man who already succeeded in his tasks?
Thanks

I don't think there have been real clues about what Flamel and Dumbledore did exactly. Maybe they helped each other, for instance with the work Dumbledore did on the 12 uses of Dragon blood. Maybe Flamel, being so old, was a bit of a teacher for Dumbledore. Since Flamel knew a lot about being immortal due to the stone, he might have known about other ways to become immortal ... but that's just speculation.

I have searched and found nothing to answer my question. Please point me in the right direction if this has been detailed elsewhere;
On the Chocolate Frog Card, I remember it stating that Dumbledore was particularly famous for his defeat of the Dark Wizard Grindlewald and his work on Alchemy with Nicholas Flamel.
So, being as Alchemy is the study of turning base metals into gold (a believed side-effect the Philosopher's Stone and the resultant Elixir of Life) what could Dumbledore have to offer Flamel? Flamel was alive for 400+ years before Albus was even born. Did I miss a clue somewhere? Or, was it specified what assistence Dumbledore could possibly be to a man who already succeeded in his tasks?
ThanksYou might be interested in: The Importance of Alchemy Post HBP v2
(http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=89581&highlight=Alchemy)

Whenever a new version of this thread starts I miss it! In the Philosopher's Stone, when Dumbledore receives Quirrel's fake urgent letter from the Ministry, he heads off straight away and does not arrive back at Hogwarts until Harry has already gone after the stone. But why did he fly there? If it was an emergency, he need only have left school grounds and then apparated to the Ministry, and then of course he would not have been gone long enough for Quirrel to get to the stone.

We know he must have flown because he took an awfully long time about it, and he says that Hermione's owl must have crossed him in mid-air on the way back. Even if he did fly to London, why didn't he apparate back if he decided something must be wrong? Flying from London to Scotland must take ages!There are several ways of explaining around this, but the real reason it that Jo didn't want to (or her editors wouldn't let her) introduce a new method of magical travel just then. Apparition and Floo powder didn't come until later on and Portkeys even later. And it was necessary to the plot that Dumbledore was gone for at least a few hours. I really don't think Jo or her editors had the faintest idea of the level or pernickityness with which her fans would read and reread the books back then when PS was published! :D

It would be fun if she rewrote the first books to include stuff her editors cut the first time around! 7 volumes all the size of OotP - heaven!

It would be fun if she rewrote the first books to include stuff her editors cut the first time around! 7 volumes all the size of OotP - heaven!

That would be really interesting. Even more so would be if Jo published all of her notebooks.

I always sit back and wonder (while reading) how Jo keeps it all in order. I mean, you honestly would need a notebook (or two or three) of notes for each character. So much DETAIL goes into her books and characters that I'm sure there are just stacks and stacks of minor details that were worked out before all of her plots were finished.

I really don't think Jo or her editors had the faintest idea of the level or pernickityness with which her fans would read and reread the books back then when PS was published! :D

I was just thinking about that the other day when my son was reading CoS aloud to me. We can certainly make mountains out of molehills! :lol:

I have just re-read a few chapters of GoF and the part where Dumbledore told Snape to bring up Winky struck my curiosity. How did Dumbledore know that Winky had something to do with it? It was before he realised that the fake Moody is Crouch in fact.

I have just re-read a few chapters of GoF and the part where Dumbledore told Snape to bring up Winky struck my curiosity. How did Dumbledore know that Winky had something to do with it? It was before he realised that the fake Moody is Crouch in fact.Or maybe it was about 5 seconds after he realised! I think sending for Winky shows that Dumbledore finally sussed it out. He said that he knew Moody wasn't Moody the second he disobeyed Dumbledore and took Harry away.

I have just re-read a few chapters of GoF and the part where Dumbledore told Snape to bring up Winky struck my curiosity. How did Dumbledore know that Winky had something to do with it? It was before he realised that the fake Moody is Crouch in fact.

I don't think it was a coincidence that he was looking at Crouch, Jr's trial in the pensieve. I think the fact that Mr. Crouch was acting strange and had disappeared definitely put his "something's not right" radar setting on high. As soon as Harry was taken away after the Maze by "Moody," all the pieces fell into place.

I went looking for this and couldn't find it so here goes....

Why did Voldemort wait over a year to try and kill Harry? If the Prophecy was made before his birth and Snape knew what it contained at least in the first half, he undoubtedly told Voldemort that very night, buy why did he wait so long and not try and kill Harry right after Lilly gave birth to him?

James only told Harry to go to the Portkey, because it will return him back to Hogwarts. Nothing that suggests that James did something with the portkey.

oops, I must have imagined that :D but nevertheless they knew that it would take Harry back to Hogwarts therefore it might have been them who would have fixed the Portkey. I think it is one of the things we might never find a proper explanation unless Jo gives us the answers.

Why did Voldemort wait over a year to try and kill Harry? If the Prophecy was made before his birth and Snape knew what it contained at least in the first half, he undoubtedly told Voldemort that very night, buy why did he wait so long and not try and kill Harry right after Lilly gave birth to him?

Yup I had been wondering that to but then the solution that I found most suitable was that it took Voldemort an year to hunt the Potter's down. I mean firstly he had to figure out to whom this prophecy was refering to. He had to search for all the kids born as the 7th month died i.e end of July. Then when he had the list he would have to shortlist those who had thrice defied him and then he had to make the choice between Neville and Harry and I think all this would have taken qiute sometime and then there was the task of hunting them down which wasn't easy till Peter betrayed the Potters. So you see so much had to be done before killing them therefore it would have taken time. :D

I went looking for this and couldn't find it so here goes....

Why did Voldemort wait over a year to try and kill Harry? If the Prophecy was made before his birth and Snape knew what it contained at least in the first half, he undoubtedly told Voldemort that very night, buy why did he wait so long and not try and kill Harry right after Lilly gave birth to him?
We don't really know for sure. In my mind, there are several possibilities.

We know from Harry's meetings with Dumbledore that the prophecy could have refered to two people- Harry and Neville. It is possible that Voldemort wanted to wait. I don't think he would have a moral problem killing both Harry and Neville, but looking at it logically, once he killed one, the other would likely be surrounded by heavy protection. In other words, he'd have a 50/50 shot of getting the right one on his first try, but if he was wrong he may never get the chance to kill the other until it was too late. So he may have wanted to get some idea of exactly what he was dealing with before he made his move. When the Fidelius Charm was performed he decided that the prophecy obviously must refer to Harry and thus made his decision about who to kill.

We also don't really know what kind of protection surrounded the Potters at the time of Harry's birth. Since Snape was caught overhearing the prophecy, I have no doubt that Dumbledore put the Potters and Longbottoms under some sort of protection almost immediately just to be safe. We're not sure whether Pettigrew was working for Voldemort yet (I tend to think he wasn't recruited until a month or so after Harry's birth, but that's just my opinion) so Voldemort may not have had anyone close to the Potters who could provide him with information on their location/protection. I think these are the most likely possibilities but it could be something else as well.

that seems probable, thanks a lot

On the NAQ thread I posted an idea that is based upon this question:

Would the Mirror of Erised, renderd invisible by (charm or cloak) still reflect your deepest desire?

What's your opinion?

If the mirror is invisible, any reflection from it shoud be incisible too wouldn't it?

Would the Mirror of Erised, renderd invisible by (charm or cloak) still reflect your deepest desire?
I would say that since it's invisible, there is nothing there to cause the reflection.

I would say that since it's invisible, there is nothing there to cause the reflection.

Or perhaps it would still make one you just couldn't see it.

Or perhaps it would still make one you just couldn't see it.
Good point!

Originally Posted by unconvinced
Or perhaps it would still make one you just couldn't see it.

Good point!

Nope I disagree, I think it would not affect the mirror in any sense because it is an extremly powerful magical object that can easily detect the desires of an invisible person as well.

Nope I disagree, I think it would not affect the mirror in any sense because it is an extremly powerful magical object that can easily detect the desires of an invisible person as well.
I understood the question to be that the mirror was made invisible, not the person. If I'm mistaken then my answer is moot.

If the person is invisible then, as you said, it is a powerfully magical object so it may still work no matter how the person looking into it is disguised.

Nope I disagree, I think it would not affect the mirror in any sense because it is an extremly powerful magical object that can easily detect the desires of an invisible person as well.

True if the person looking was invisible but what I thought DA_DA was asking was what would happen if someone looked at an invisible mirror.

True if the person looking was invisible but what I thought DA_DA was asking was what would happen if someone looked at an invisible mirror.

Oops looks like I got it all wrong. :blush: In that Case your answer is best suited unconvinced.

Anyways I was just answering to one of the questions in another thread when a thought struck me.

How come Snape and the rest of Death Eaters along with Draco didn't notice that Harry was there with Dumbledore on the Astronomy Tower??

I mean they obviously found out about Harry the moment Harry's charm was lifted but how didn't they notice Harry's prescence before that?

I mean the Ministry had added 2+2 and concluded that Harry was there (because there was 2 brooms on the Astronomy Tower). So why didn't Draco and other Death Eaters notice that and search for Harry because this led them eventually to loose one of their partners (I think Greyback) whom Harry attacked the moment he was active again.

Why did Voldemort wait over a year to try and kill Harry? If the Prophecy was made before his birth and Snape knew what it contained at least in the first half, he undoubtedly told Voldemort that very night, buy why did he wait so long and not try and kill Harry right after Lilly gave birth to him?

The Potters were in hiding. It was only once Peter told him where they were that he was able to find them, before that he didn't have a clue. One can guess that the Potters went into hiding as soon as the prophecy was made, so he had to track them down.

How come Snape and the rest of Death Eaters along with Draco didn't notice that Harry was there with Dumbledore on the Astronomy Tower??

Draco noticed the second broomstick but DD avoided the question. The other DE's seemed slightly thick, and Snape was there to finish the job, he probably didn't care about Harry - depending on whether or not you think he knew about Harry and DD leaving together that evening.

In SS/PS, Chapter 3 U.S. P.B. p.40, [Uncle Vernon] hummed "Tiptoe through the Tulips" as he worked, and jumped at small noises.
My bookclub is in the middle of a read through and I stumbled across this, and wondered why JK Rowling would go through the trouble of mention the song he hummed, unless it had some significance. She Could have just as easily said he hummed while he worked. So I went and looked up the lyrics to that particular song:
TIPTOE THROUGH THE TULIPS
(Al Dubin/Joe Burke)Charted in 1929 by Nick Lucas (#1); Jean Goldkette (#5); Johnny Marvin (#11); and Roy Foz (#18)
Charted at # 17 in 1968 by Tiny Tim


Tiptoe to the window, by the window that is where I'll be
Come tiptoe through the tulips with me!
Tiptoe from your pillow, to the shadow of a willow tree
And tiptoe through the tulips with me!
Knee deep in flowers will stray, we'll keep the showers away.
And if I kiss you in the garden, in the moonlight, will you pardon me?
Come tiptoe through the tulips with me!
The only thing the lyrics resemble from what I can think of right now is In Book 5 when Harry sits listening to the news under the window, and the Dursley's here the noise, then later on in Book 5 Dudley is almost kissed by a dementor. I was wondering if Anyone had any ideas or oppinions on this. I think if I am remembering right, the harry lying in the ground quote beneath the window was released before book 5 was released. So maybe JK was giving us a clue?

Draco noticed the second broomstick but DD avoided the question. The other DE's seemed slightly thick, and Snape was there to finish the job, he probably didn't care about Harry - depending on whether or not you think he knew about Harry and DD leaving together that evening.
Since Harry was under his invisibilty cloak when he and Dumbledore walked to Hogsmeade, I'm betting Snape was not aware that they were together. We also know Snape was in his study when the Death Eaters arrived at Hogwarts, so he probably wasn't paying close attention to Dumbledore leaving. But, I guess that could be a discussion for a thread of its own!

Draco noticed the second broomstick but DD avoided the question

Did he now? Could you furnish the quote please.

interesting, a bit of a stretch, but interesting. i think she would have mentioned again in POA near the desscussion of the dementors kiss

I don't really find it very significant piece of information because it was just a thing she might have been tempted to mention. Maybe she likes this song or something like that.
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I think it was only significant cos JKR wanted to show that Uncle Vernon had gone a bit loopy

Great. I shouldn't have read this. Now I'm going to have Tiny Tim singing that vile song inside my head all the rest of the day!

Malfoy stepped forward, glancing around quickly to check that he & Dumbledore were alone. His eyes fell upon the second broom.
"Who else is here?"
The Lightening Struck Tower, pg 584, US ed

Draco does ask about the 2 broomsticks when he reaches the tower; however, the other DEs were not there yet & may never have noticed there were 2. Draco, I assume, was so nervous that he wasn't
concentrating enough to remember it once Dumbledore threw Draco off track.

To be honest, I don't think there was a reason. I think it was just something that JKR took off the top of her head.

I agree, no deeper meaning. It was meant to be funny and show how nutty he was getting. I mean, that's not exactly a song you would be expecting to hear out of him...it made me laugh!

I think jkr was just trying to show that uncle vernon was becoming crazy

I agree that it was probably just to add a little flavour to the line by mentioning what he was humming with no more meaning than that. Though it might also have been to generate a few giggles and smiles from those who have heard of the piece as it wouldn't have been my first guess for something Vernon might be humming.

I understood the question to be that the mirror was made invisible, not the person. If I'm mistaken then my answer is moot.

If the person is invisible then, as you said, it is a powerfully magical object so it may still work no matter how the person looking into it is disguised.

You understood correctly.

I reasoned that the desire would be reflected anyway, and appear to be the normal view behind the mirror thus fooling anyone infront of it, to be real.

No accounting how magic works, especialy at the whim of JKR.:lol:

After the memory with young Tom Riddle at the orphanage, what exactly were Dumbledore and Harry talking about when they mentioned Tom's harmonica and mouthpiece?

Edit: Also, who on earth is that on the German book covers for each Harry Potter book?

After the memory with young Tom Riddle at the orphanage, what exactly were Dumbledore and Harry talking about when they mentioned Tom's harmonica and mouthpiece?

Harry was asking if the things Tom had in his box could have been used for the Horcruxes, and Dumbledore was saying that they were only what they appeared to be, nothing more.

But Dumbledore didn't tell Harry about Horcruxes at that point in their lessons yet, did he? That's what's confusing me.

Yes, because it was when Harry was looking at the ring that he asked about the mouth organ.

To answer the above question, Harry was on the invisibility cloak. I don't think they were focusing on much but killing DD and getting out of there, so I doubt that they noticed the two brooms.
I asked this question in another thread, but I think I asked it after it was closed, so here it is...
In the first book, when Harry first sees the quiditch field, he describes the goals (now this isn't a direct quote as I don't have the books or tapes with me at the moment, I just noticed the discrepancy when I was working on my Harry Potter Trivia game...I'm sad)...anyways he describes the goals to look like the little plastic sticks muggle children use to blow bubbles through, only fifty feet tall. My question is, why fifty feet??? Harry grew up in England, he grew up with the metric system. Did she switch it for the American Version? That would make sense, as an american I know very little about the metric system, but if I was a child in England, I'm not sure I would comprehend fifty feet correctly...

I asked this question in another thread, but I think I asked it after it was closed, so here it is...
In the first book, when Harry first sees the quiditch field, he describes the goals (now this isn't a direct quote as I don't have the books or tapes with me at the moment, I just noticed the discrepancy when I was working on my Harry Potter Trivia game...I'm sad)...anyways he describes the goals to look like the little plastic sticks muggle children use to blow bubbles through, only fifty feet tall. My question is, why fifty feet??? Harry grew up in England, he grew up with the metric system. Did she switch it for the American Version? That would make sense, as an american I know very little about the metric system, but if I was a child in England, I'm not sure I would comprehend fifty feet correctly...


I think it had more to do with emphasizing how tall they were... 15 metres doesn't sound as impressive as 50 feet.

After the memory with young Tom Riddle at the orphanage, what exactly were Dumbledore and Harry talking about when they mentioned Tom's harmonica and mouthpiece?

Dumbledore was drawing Harry's attention to the fact that Tom likes to steal things ("collect trophies") for his own gain. Harry put two and two together, and assumed that the ring Dumbledore had, which was once Marvolo's, would have naturally been something Riddle would've collected. He asked about the harmonica because he guessed (correctly, it turns out) that Riddle's trophies would be a "profitable line of inquiry," to quote our dearly beloved novelist.

I'm noticing you are from Canada, where they do use the metric system. Do you really use feet much? 15 metres, if it's that yard stick length thing (it's sad that I don't know this better) sounds much larger in my head when I do the math, than 50 feet. Does 50 feet really sound taller to you?? Do you use a foot as a measurement up there often? As a whole, we americans generally ignore the metric system, you try and name something in metres to me, it's gonna take me a bit to do the math and picture it...

Thanks guys. I probably should've known that, but I wasn't prepared for Harry to be particularly adept all of a sudden.

So does anyone know who that person is on the German book covers for each of the Harry Potter books?

Let's not forget the charm that protected the potters was only inforce about aweek before they died. Voldemort would have had his information about the prophecy for over a year at that point Harry was over a year old when his parents were killed. Snape I'm betting told Voldemort about the prophecy that very night before harry's birth. Something's not adding up.

We actually use both metric and imperial in Britain. This can get a bit confusing as there's a certain amount of 'mixing' - for instance we buy petrol in litres but measure driving distances in miles! 50 feet tall would be perfectly comprehendable, as would 15 metres.

Let's not forget the charm that protected the potters was only inforce about aweek before they died. Voldemort would have had his information about the prophecy for over a year at that point Harry was over a year old when his parents were killed. Snape I'm betting told Voldemort about the prophecy that very night before harry's birth. Something's not adding up.

Yup that is true but you see he had to do all the planning and stuff and remember one thing that the Potter's selected the secret keeper option as a last resort so they must have gone into hiding using other methods and this would have given them enough to evade off an attack from voldemort for atleast an year.

I think you should accept it as a part of the plot.:D

Did he now? Could you furnish the quote please.

I can (although I haven't checked to see whether someone else has already)

Malfoy stepped forwards, glancing around quickly to check that he and DD were alone. His eyes fell upon the second broom.

"Who else is here?"

"A question I might ask you. Or are you acting alone?"

Harry saw Malfoy's pale eyes shift back to DD in the greenish glare of the Mark.

Hope that helps - he asks, DD avoids, and Draco doesn't persist

Re the whole imperial v metric question - the UK has only been metric for about the last 10 years - at most - before that it was imperial. And like someone has said we do still use both systems which can be exceedingly confusing.

Take milk for example, it still comes in pints but it has the litres on it too - but it doesn't come as 1 litre, but 0.633 or whatever the pint equivalent is (I'm actually South African living in England and can see that metric would be far easier to understand but can also see why they don't just stop the imperial measurements)

Re the whole imperial v metric question - the UK has only been metric for about the last 10 years - at most - before that it was imperial. And like someone has said we do still use both systems which can be exceedingly confusing.

Take milk for example, it still comes in pints but it has the litres on it too - but it doesn't come as 1 litre, but 0.633 or whatever the pint equivalent is (I'm actually South African living in England and can see that metric would be far easier to understand but can also see why they don't just stop the imperial measurements)

Wow, and I thought I had problems trying to comparative shop! Yikes!
Can someone tell me what a "jumper" is exactly, for example, when Ginny comes down & askes where her jumper is? I thought it was a sweater, but it seems that that word is used in the series as well.

A jumper is a sweater.
I belive that some "british" words have been changed in the American version while some have been left as they are. I think in the more recent books they are trying to leave them as "British" as possible.
It seems they are only confusing people though with only changing some words :lol:

A jumper is a sweater.
I belive that some "british" words have been changed in the American version while some have been left as they are. I think in the more recent books they are trying to leave them as "British" as possible.
It seems they are only confusing people though with only changing some words :lol:

Thank you so much!

What I want to know is who on earth is this on each of the German book covers? http://www.mugglenet.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=57

I think it's supposed to be Harry but I really can't tell.

Yes that's Harry, after all he has the glasses and the messy hair :)

Can someone tell me what a "jumper" is exactly, for example, when Ginny comes down & askes where her jumper is? I thought it was a sweater, but it seems that that word is used in the series as well.

It's amazing how many words there are for the same thing - yes a jumper is a sweater - and in South Africa it would be called a jersey!

Yes that's Harry, after all he has the glasses and the messy hair

Hes if that's supposed to be Harry then i can bet that the girl in your siggy gotta be Hermione. :lol:

Nah she is much to girly ;)

On the Dutch covers they have never really showed his face, but the German covers are really obvious meant to portray Harry :)

I want the German books! I collect them, and I find them intruiging. As well as the Japanese and Italian ones!

The cover of the German books is drawn are drawn by Sabine Wilharm. She's a professional Illustrator, who also worked for famous news magazins.There are even rumours about that JKR prefers this covers over the original. But well I guess we will never find out if that's true. ;)

In the Harry Potter world, what would you call an evil female dark overlord? Would she still be a Dark Lord, or would she be called something else?

I would think she would be a Dark Lord....I mean...I dont think the name should change just because of the gender. I mean if you wanted to get techincal. I guess you could call her an overlord.

In the Harry Potter world, what would you call an evil female dark overlord? Would she still be a Dark Lord, or would she be called something else?

I think you are asking that because of the Who is going to be the next Dark Lord thread. Isn't it. :p. Anyway whatever it is I think Wattlebird is right they wouldn't want to change the title until the person is as terrifying as the original Dark Lord. If the person is even more terrifying then I think they would keep a more fearsome title for her. As far as technicality goes why not the Dark Lady. :D

I think you are asking that because of the Who is going to be the next Dark Lord thread. Isn't it. :p.
Yup! I asked in that thread and then thought "why not ask it in this one?" :)

I think you are asking that because of the Who is going to be the next Dark Lord thread. Isn't it. :p. Anyway whatever it is I think Wattlebird is right they wouldn't want to change the title until the person is as terrifying as the original Dark Lord. If the person is even more terrifying then I think they would keep a more fearsome title for her. As far as technicality goes why not the Dark Lady. :D


Goddess of Darkness? :huh:

Ahh, so it is Harry, thanks. :) I figured it must have been, but I couldn't see the scar in the first covers I looked at. It was kind of faded out...

As for that what would you call a female dark lord, I found this quote in Lord of the Rings to be quite relevant:

"In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!"
- Galadriel, The Mirror of Galadriel, Fellowship of the Ring by Tolkien

Have I passed the test? ;)

Have I passed the test?

I know nothing about you passing the test but i think that gave me a new idea--> Lady of Despair. :D

Goddess of Darkness?

Sounds good. :tu:

It's amazing how many words there are for the same thing - yes a jumper is a sweater - and in South Africa it would be called a jersey!It's also known as a pullover! :D Personally, I wear jumpers - I think it may be a regional and/or class thing.
In the Harry Potter world, what would you call an evil female dark overlord? Would she still be a Dark Lord, or would she be called something else?The Dark Lady? I think The Dark Enchantress sounds rather snazzy. I'll consider it when I make my bid to take over the wizarding world.
Re the whole imperial v metric question - the UK has only been metric for about the last 10 years - at most - before that it was imperial. And like someone has said we do still use both systems which can be exceedingly confusing.

Take milk for example, it still comes in pints but it has the litres on it too - but it doesn't come as 1 litre, but 0.633 or whatever the pint equivalent is (I'm actually South African living in England and can see that metric would be far easier to understand but can also see why they don't just stop the imperial measurements)My generation is pretty much bilingual when it comes to Metric and Imperial but my mother always claims she "doesn't speak Metric"! We all learn Metric in school, but Imperial is still used a lot in common speech.

How about "Mistress of Darkness?"

Fleur de Mort!

Fleur de Mort!

:lol:

hem hem

Anyone got a little question? :angel:

Yeah, I haven't been over here to answer them in ages and now that I'm here, nobody has a question! is there a pouty smiliey? : pout :

Maybe this is just me getting paranoid about a small, meaningless detail again, but...

Why won't Kreacher take orders from Tonks?

"... of course, anytime the family produced someone halfway decent they were disowned. I see Tonks isn't on here. Maybe that's why Kreacher won't take orders from her--he's supposed to do whatever anyone in the family asks him...."

"You and Tonks are related?" Harry asked, surprised.

"Oh yeah, her mother, Andromeda, was my favorite cousin," said Sirius, examining the tapestry closely. "No, Andromeda's not on here either, look--"

He pointed to another small round burn mark between two names, Bellatrix and Narcissa.

"Andromeda's sisters are still here because they made lovely, respectable pure-blood marriages, but Andromeda married a Muggle-born, Ted Tonks, so--"

Sirius mimed blasting the tapestry with a wand and laughed sourly."

This passage could have worked just as well without the line about Kreacher, so presumably there's some significance to the fact that he won't take orders from Tonks. Right?

I'm not sure I buy Sirius's explanation either. He's been blasted off the tapestry and Kreacher still has to listen to him. And he makes it sound like Kreacher has a choice, and is just using the tapestry as a convenient excuse to ignore orders from Tonks.

But Kreacher doesn't actually have a choice, does he? Like in the beginning of HBP, when Harry orders him to shut up, he sort of chokes mid-shout like someone put a silencing charm on him. Doesn't seem voluntary to me.

Tonks still has Black blood in her, even if her mum was blasted off the tree. And since Sirius can order Kreacher around, I'll bet Andromeda could too. So why not Tonks?

Is Sirius's explanation enough, or could there be more going on with her? Maybe she's adopted? Or a Death Eater in disguise?*

There's also something a little off about the timeline. Sirius is 36 or 37 here (since Snape was 35 or 36 the year before), so it's at most 21 years since he ran away from home. Andromeda must have been blasted off after he left (he didn't seem to know until he mentioned it to Harry), so she must've married Ted after he left. Add 1 year, for propriety, before Tonks is born, 17 before she leaves Hogwarts, 3 more for Auror training, and 1 because she told Harry she only qualified a year ago. There seems to be an extra year there, though this could just be fuzzy math on Jo's part.

Anyway, could there be more to Tonks than meets the eye? If so, what could it mean for Book 7? If not, why did Jo bother throwing in that detail about Kreacher not obeying her?

cb

*- I think the idea of Tonks being a Death Eater in disguise is pretty silly, but there are some old threads on here arguing it's possible...

The thing to remember though, is that Tonks never made it onto the Tapestry at all, so technically, she's not considered a relative. It does not matter to Kreacher that she is a descendant of the Blacks because her birth is never duly recorded to show it.

The same can be said for Arthur Weasley. He's related to the Black's by blood, yet the ancestor, Cedrella {married Septimus Weasley}, was blasted off the tapestry. Her off-spring, never made it onto the tapestry, so their not considered family---which was the entire point of blasting her off the tree.

Molly Weasley was a Prewett, sister of Gideon and Fabien Prewett, and she had a relative---"Ignatius Prewett"---on that tapestry.

it's a good theory

I always though Kreacher wouldn't take orders from Tonks because he doesn't recognise her as a Black.
Think about it, Andromeda would have been blasted off the tapastry before Tonks was born so Tonks would never have been added to it. Kreacher recognises Sirius because he was once on the tapastry, and he recognises Harry because he was given to Harry by his master.
Just my thoughts

The thing to remember though, is that Tonks never made it onto the Tapestry at all, so technically, she's not considered a relative. It does not matter to Kreacher that she is a descendant of the Blacks because her birth is never duly recorded to show it.


But is the tapestry what binds house elves? Shouldn't it have more to do with blood than record keeping? What about families that don't have tapestries?

And it sounds like Tonks at least tried to give Kreacher an order, and that both she and Sirius might've expected him to obey...

Kreacher could maybe consider anyone wiped off the tapestry non family. But not Sirius because he was his rightful owner.

Kreacher could maybe consider anyone wiped off the tapestry non family. But not Sirius because he was his rightful owner.

Now that you have said that I was wondering whether Harry would be included in the black family tree in anyway. Like maybe the Godson of Sirius Black. :huh:

I doubt very much Harry would have been included on the tapestry as Sirius Godson. The tapestry seems only to show the house of Black and although we can speculate that the Potters mentioned back a couple of generations are related to Harry we've no proof and the moment and it doesn't look like that line was continued.

I doubt very much Harry would have been included on the tapestry as Sirius Godson. The tapestry seems only to show the house of Black and although we can speculate that the Potters mentioned back a couple of generations are related to Harry we've no proof and the moment and it doesn't look like that line was continued.
I agree. And the Black family gives a lot of importance to blood relations. They would not consider the godson-godfather relation as a relevant blood relation, specially if the mum is a filthy mudblood.

I've just thought of something that's rather confusing. Christmas OOTP Kreacher didn't come to Sirius when he was called (obviously because he was with his "Mistress" Bella), even if Sirius was the rightful owner (oh boy, I hope Hermione never sees this post), yet in HBP in the hospital wing Kreacher came in seconds to Harry, who hates Kreacher and vice versa. Is there a limit on how far away a house elf can be from it's master before it can't be called?

Andromeda married a muggle so therefore Mr and Mrs Black completely wiped them from the Black history - which includes Tonks. It has nothing to do with the tapestry as such although I'm sure Kreacher could have referred to it if he needed to.

Although Sirius was not on there he was an absolute blood descendent so no amount of blasting would have removed the purebloodness that runs through his veins.

If Sirius had chosen Tonks to inherit everything then Kreacher would have probably have had to obey her anyway as that was Sirius' order.