Ron and Hermione - Where to from here? v5

exactly.
I love how they act like that. :love:

:agree: Me too

awww....:love:
not nessesarily though, I'm graduating when I'm seventeen and I'm going to college then. Is that wied at all? just wondering. :shrug:

What I meant is that most wizards end their schooling at age 17 - there isn't a wizarding equivalent of college. So Ron and Hermione aren't similar to high-school sweethearts and are more like college sweethearts.

The bottom line is that JKR has created a world where wizards enter the adult world at an earlier age than we experience, so Ron and Hermione's age isn't an indicator of the long-term success for their relationship.

Yes, but again, it doesn't really matter whether they're highschool sweethearts or college sweethearts, or if they wait until their seventies to fess up to their feelings, the truth is they're just meant to be together.

Either way is all a little off from the original disscusion which wasnt about whether they'd manage to stick together, its about how we think they are going to GET together in book 7. Come on people lets keep those ideas coming!

:)

I think it is a forsure that they will be together. I just dont know if they will end up together. I hope that one of them doesnt die. escpcially hermy...ron i think i could handle.

Yes, that's another thing, they act like an old married couple, and when they fight it doesn't break them up now, so why should it break them up when they actually are an old married couple?Exactly. And they acted like an old married couple from the beginning. I don´t have the book with me and I´m sure it has already been posted here but there was this little bit in PS, during the second Quidditch match, Ron and Hermione had secretly practised the Leg-locker-curse to prevent referee Snape to harm Harry (sorry, I don´t have the exact quote):

"And remember," said Hermione, "it´s Locomotor mortis"
"I know", snapped Ron, "don´t nag."
:lol:

This scene also shows that they cooperated very good already early on . They really have had so many years now of practise to cooperate, to coordinate their goals, to resolve their fights, to find out what they have in common and where they differ and how much or little of a problem that is. They don´t need to get to know each other like many other new couples have to, they already know each other at their best and their worst. Therefore, their basis to start their relationship from is much stronger and more solid than what other couples have, even older ones.

The bottom line is that JKR has created a world where wizards enter the adult world at an earlier age than we experience, so Ron and Hermione's age isn't an indicator of the long-term success for their relationship.Absolutely. And considering that they know each other for six years now, and were not just acquaintances during that time but best friends, it is somewhat irrelevant that they are 17. (Adults in the wizarding world)

Exactly. And they acted like an old married couple from the beginning. I don´t have the book with me and I´m sure it has already been posted here but there was this little bit in PS, during the second Quidditch match, Ron and Hermione had secretly practised the Leg-locker-curse to prevent referee Snape to harm Harry (sorry, I don´t have the exact quote):

"And remember," said Hermione, "it´s Locomotor mortis"
"I know", snapped Ron, "don´t nag."
:lol:

This scene also shows that they cooperated very good already early on . They really have had so many years now of practise to cooperate, to coordinate their goals, to resolve their fights, to find out what they have in common and where they differ and how much or little of a problem that is. They don´t need to get to know each other like many other new couples have to, they already know each other at their best and their worst. Therefore, their basis to start their relationship from is much stronger and more solid than what other couples have, even older ones.



:agree: I agree, and in fact, I was just reading that part in the book last night! Rereading the first book (I have an excuse now, my grandma wants me to read them to her) I can't help but really enjoy any scene involving Ron and Hermione interacting.


I'm a train-er again today. I was up late last night writing a train fic, and I'm still in that sort of mood. I would prefer to see it happen there, I think the wedding would be a little cliche. The more I think about it, the more obvious the train seems. Not to mention that they did meet there, and that makes it really romantic.

Alright guys how about this as the way that Hermione and Ron are assured of spending the rest of their existence together.

Due to an unfortunate and horrible accident during the last battle against Lord Voldermort Ron Weasley was transfigured into a saucer and Hermione Granger a teacup. Fortunately they will be destined to spend the rest of their lives together as it appeared, on closer examination, that they were a set.

Alright guys how about this as the way that Hermione and Ron are assured of spending the rest of their existence together.
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Well, that's one scenario I never thought of.

Alright guys how about this as the way that Hermione and Ron are assured of spending the rest of their existence together.



Hmmm... interesting theory... No offense but I'm still hoping for the whole "they get married and have a million kids and end up just like Mister and Misses Weasley" scenario.

Hmmm... interesting theory... No offense but I'm still hoping for the whole "they get married and have a million kids and end up just like Mister and Misses Weasley" scenario.


Lol fine, rain all over my teacup parade.

Hmm speaking of which, how many kids do you really think they would have (lets not hope for millions, poor Hermione!)

relationships are complicated. we all wish that ron and hermonie could get together at age 17 and stay together for the rest if their lives but the chances of that happening to anyone is very rare.

Maybe the majority of highschool couples don't end up together forever, but Ron and Hermione aren't the majority of highschool couples. They've been the very best friends since they were 11, spent practically every waking hour together, faced countless trials that could easily have ripped them apart - physically and emotionally - and yet have stayed completely true to each other through it all. Together forever doesn't even cover it.


Hmm speaking of which, how many kids do you really think they would have (lets not hope for millions, poor Hermione!)

The general idea, I think, is that they'll end up like the Weasley family, with lots of happy, redhaired kids. I'm inclined to agree to some extent. I'm sure Ron wants a large family - it's obvious how much he loves his own - but I don't know about Hermione. She loves the Weasleys, and the atmosphere, but I can't help but think she wouldn't quite know how to handle a big house of screaming, messy children. She thrives on order, chaos just isn't her thing.

I have always imagines hermione and ron getting together during a fight and the fight ends up with them standig with there lipd inches away, ron saying "i love you..." and kissing her passionetly.,......

Alright guys how about this as the way that Hermione and Ron are assured of spending the rest of their existence together.
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Due to an unfortunate and horrible accident during the last battle against Lord Voldermort Ron Weasley was transfigured into a saucer and Hermione Granger a teacup. Fortunately they will be destined to spend the rest of their lives together as it appeared, on closer examination, that they were a set.
:rotfl:


The general idea, I think, is that they'll end up like the Weasley family, with lots of happy, redhaired kids. I'm inclined to agree to some extent. I'm sure Ron wants a large family - it's obvious how much he loves his own - but I don't know about Hermione. She loves the Weasleys, and the atmosphere, but I can't help but think she wouldn't quite know how to handle a big house of screaming, messy children. She thrives on order, chaos just isn't her thing.I agree. Ron did complain about having five older brothers at the beginning of PS and that was it basically. He loves them definately, and I´m sure he would want a lot of children himself. And it´s different if you´re the dad and can at least try to have the control. :D Hermione is obviously very endeared with the loud and full of live Weasley household.

So my guess: Six children, among them twins, with Hermione being of the opinion that would be enough now and Ron insisting on a seventh to complete the Weasley Quidditch team.

I think that they will have quite a few children, probably in the neighborhood of four to seven. And as for the caos that would entail, can you really see Hermione letting there be that much caos? She would have all those children in such good order, it might make the army jealous!

And as for when they will get together, I think we have had out 'moment' at the funeral with the crying on shoulders and the solidarity in the conversation with Harry. I think we'll see a bit more things like when Ginny sits leaning on Harry's legs for them, but I think that was our clue that they are finally a couple. I think from now on it will be about the war until the bitter end.

Alright guys how about this as the way that Hermione and Ron are assured of spending the rest of their existence together.


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Due to an unfortunate and horrible accident during the last battle against Lord Voldermort Ron Weasley was transfigured into a saucer and Hermione Granger a teacup. Fortunately they will be destined to spend the rest of their lives together as it appeared, on closer examination, that they were a set.
:rotfl: That reminds me of the teacups in "Beauty and the beast", If you know what I mean.


Hmm speaking of which, how many kids do you really think they would have (lets not hope for millions, poor Hermione!)

:lol: Poor Hermy indeed! J/K. I think five or seven. :D Hermione is an only child and probably want quite a bit of kids...Ron obiously grew up with siblings and would probably want his kids to have some as welll. Makes sense to me, my parents both came from families of seven kids and I have five siblings.:cool:


I have always imagines hermione and ron getting together during a fight and the fight ends up with them standig with there lipd inches away, ron saying "i love you..." and kissing her passionetly.,......

well, I'm still a bother so I'll say this, they will start at the train, go to the wedding having a good time, they fight, make up because of confessing, dance and KISS!!!!!:clap:

So my guess: Six children, among them twins, with Hermione being of the opinion that would be enough now and Ron insisting on a seventh to complete the Weasley Quidditch team.

:lol: he he Weasley Quidditch team! Well, it'd be unfortinate if she had triplets :p, or quintuplets! then I would say...
AAAHHHHHHH!!!!! POOR HERMY!!!!! :lol:

And as for when they will get together, I think we have had out 'moment' at the funeral with the crying on shoulders and the solidarity in the conversation with Harry. I think we'll see a bit more things like when Ginny sits leaning on Harry's legs for them, but I think that was our clue that they are finally a couple. I think from now on it will be about the war until the bitter end.

Well, probably not official, when they kiss it would be official. But I see what you mean, it IS a good clue, and It's thier fresh start. :)

Hermione reminds me a lot of Mrs. Weasley as it is, so I think she would enjoy having a lot of kids, even though they'll drive her nuts. So, yes, I was exaggerating with millions, but I think they'll definitely have around the same amount as Ron's parents. Rereading Chamber of Secrets, they remind me more and more of each other even their fighting. Example:

"There's a loophole in the law, see, as long as he was not intending to fly the car, the fact that the car could fly would be..."

"Arthur Weasley, you made sure there was a loophole when you wrote that law!"

:love: It's like seeing Ron and Hermione thirty or so years older.

AWWWW!!!! :love: agree!
They are soo meant for each other...What would it be like if they weren't meant to be? jeese, I cant imagine them not being with each other. It makes me a little ashamed of being a Harry/ Harmione shipper when I read the first book or two. scary for me to think I thought that!:lol:

Yeah, I really can't imagine a grown-up Ron without Hermione or vise-versa. And if they were without each other I can't imagine them both living.

It would be tragic. :sad: I'd hate to see Ron or Hermione die. Same with Harry/Ginny. I couldn't go on!!!! *grief*
no, I could. It'd be pathetic of me. :D

I'd be all right if Hermione died, but if Ron died I'd fall apart.

:wow: WHAT???? It's bad if either one dies!!!!! They would'nt be able to live without the other, painful rest-of-life for them. If Hermy died Ron is pretty much dead, not physically, but emotionally and mentally. THAT is sad for me, same for Hermione.

Oh, I would still bawl for days and days and days, but I'm a little more attached to Ron. I've always considered myself to be quite like Hermione, so I suppose it's like, preffering to die yourself than someone you're close to die. I mean, I wouldn't die for real rather than have book Ron die, of course, but Hermione's like the literary equivalent of me.

Id bawl too, I'm sorry to say but I think Ron will have a bigger chance of dying than Hermione, Hermione knows too many spells and has a better chance of defending herself more. Ron could defend himself too, but i think for some reason Ron would die. :sad:

Yes, but Ron's shown willingness to sacrifice himself before, and he's shown a lot of bravery that Hermoine hasn't. That's why I can see her dying, proving herself.

Id bawl too, I'm sorry to say but I think Ron will have a bigger chance of dying than Hermione, Hermione knows too many spells and has a better chance of defending herself more. Ron could defend himself too, but i think for some reason Ron would die. :sad:

That's interesting, because Jo has talked about this in the past - she said people seem to think Ron is more at risk than Hermione, because Ron is the hero's best friend (and best friends often die in movies), and for some reason Hermione is seen to be less vulnerable. Jo, however, sees Hermione as a very vulnerable person.

To be honest, though, I'd be very surprised if either of them died. I just can't see what purpose it would serve in the story, beyond giving Harry more motivation (and let's face it, he already has more than enough of that).

Well, I still think that it would serve a great purpose to the story if they died, but I don't think they will either. Ron and Hermione should live Happilly Ever After if no one else can.

That's interesting, because Jo has talked about this in the past - she said people seem to think Ron is more at risk than Hermione, because Ron is the hero's best friend (and best friends often die in movies), and for some reason Hermione is seen to be less vulnerable. Jo, however, sees Hermione as a very vulnerable person.

To be honest, though, I'd be very surprised if either of them died. I just can't see what purpose it would serve in the story, beyond giving Harry more motivation (and let's face it, he already has more than enough of that).

I remember her talking about that. I always wondered if that was her way of speaking out against all the "Hermione Granger, Superwitch" theories.

But, I agree. I don't think either of them are going to die. Harry has more than enough motivation to fight Voldemort and there really is no other purpose to it.

Refer, if you please, to that obscure and forgotten quote in PS....yes, no, a page forward...precisely there, where DD says that to the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure...

I'm impressed with Dumbledore's wisdom, even if he's a fictional character. And how does this tie in with R/Hr, you ask? Before you rush forward to compliment me yet again for my delusions, let me explain...

Look at it from a higher standpoint. Hermione doesn't know everything, even if she's knowledgable. However, her mind is best organized. She's guided by thoughts, and Ron by feelings. The idea of death is terrifying to both, but Hermione would cope with it better than Ron. Currently, the face of death is ol' voldie. Ron can't even say the *******'s name without shaking like a leaf. And DD also said, fear of the name increases fear for the thing itself.

And even though death is sorrowful, it's the mental attitude that matters, and it must remain intact even through the emotional change, if either one of them dies. Life goes on. With, or without them.

and why the фаск are swear words censored? admit it, you use them as regularly as i do.

Id bawl too, I'm sorry to say but I think Ron will have a bigger chance of dying than Hermione, Hermione knows too many spells and has a better chance of defending herself more. Ron could defend himself too, but i think for some reason Ron would die. :sad:
Actually from what we've seen of the two I'd have thought Ron would be the more capable in a combative situation, Hermione has historically made poor choices, frozen up and been less effective in chaotic situations than either Ron or Harry. Again this is why I feel that the two of them, Ron and Hermione, would be so formidable together. Each has qualities and capabilities that are lacking in the other yet they communicate so well that in a back to back situation they'd be bloody near unbeatable.

That's interesting, because Jo has talked about this in the past - she said people seem to think Ron is more at risk than Hermione, because Ron is the hero's best friend (and best friends often die in movies), and for some reason Hermione is seen to be less vulnerable. Jo, however, sees Hermione as a very vulnerable person.

To be honest, though, I'd be very surprised if either of them died. I just can't see what purpose it would serve in the story, beyond giving Harry more motivation (and let's face it, he already has more than enough of that).
:agree: We'll probably see more death but I feel these four, Harry, Ron, Hermione and Ginny, are more likely to survive the books than not.

I remember her talking about that. I always wondered if that was her way of speaking out against all the "Hermione Granger, Superwitch" theories.
That's an idea too though I always thought such opinions were down to people misreading Hermione's achievements as anything other than an extremely fervent work ethic.

But, I agree. I don't think either of them are going to die. Harry has more than enough motivation to fight Voldemort and there really is no other purpose to it.
:agree:

:agree: We'll probably see more death but I feel these four, Harry, Ron, Hermione and Ginny, are more likely to survive the books than not.


The only one I can see dying is Harry, because of the importance of both love and sacrifice, and acceptance of death, in the book so far - thematically it's an ending that would make a lot of sense (that's not to say I'm expecting it - there are other endings that could work). Ron or Hermione dying doesn't make much sense to me, and I can't see the point of Ginny dying either - Harry has already separated himself from that aspect of his life by breaking up with her, so Jo has already achieved the same end that killing Ginny might have - but this time with the possibility (probability) that they'll get back together at some point.

Here is the exact quote on Hermione´s vulnerability:

It's great to hear feedback from the kids. Mostly they are really worried about Ron. As if I'm going to kill Harry's best friend. What I find interesting is only once has anyone said to me, "Don't kill Hermione," and that was after a reading when I said no one's ever worried about her. Another kid said, "Yeah, well, she's bound to get through O.K." They see her as someone who is not vulnerable, but I see her as someone who does have quite a lot of vulnerability in her personality. Hermione is me, near enough.

The whole arcticle can be found here:

http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2000/1000-time-staff.htm

I don´t think the trio and Ginny will die. It would serve no purpose. It would not further the plot, it would not strengthen Harry´s determination to finish Voldemort. All that has already been achieved by the end of HBP. In HP7 it´s time to resolve everything and there will be enough character-deaths from the good side to make it a believable war, to affect us readers and to teach our dream team to deal with the realities of life. (Although, regarding the latter, they already had a fair share of that, especially Harry).

On the contrary, Ron, Hermione, or Ginny dying would disturb Harry, he would get depressed and blame himself for it (he already kind of predicted Ginny might die due to being his girlfriend).

BTW: This was part of a discussion we had a few pages ago about how JKR might have planned her romantic pairings. The question was which characters she invented on the first day. I found this quote on Accio Quote.

http://www.accio-quote.org/themes/ron.htm

The characters she created the very first day were Harry, Ron, Nearly Headless Nick, Hagrid and Peeves; then she developed Hogwarts. Conversations with JK Rowling, p.37-8

BTW: This was part of a discussion we had a few pages ago about how JKR might have planned her romantic pairings. The question was which characters she invented on the first day. I found this quote on Accio Quote.


That's really interesting, and it suggests to me that a lot of thought went into who would fall in love from quite early on. Hermione and Ginny didn't pop into her head on that first day - they might have been created when Jo had in mind what she wanted to do with the romances, and how she wanted to set them out. Ginny was almost certainly created with "Harry's love interest" in mind, and then woven into the plot for CoS the more it was planned.

That's really interesting, and it suggests to me that a lot of thought went into who would fall in love from quite early on. Hermione and Ginny didn't pop into her head on that first day - they might have been created when Jo had in mind what she wanted to do with the romances, and how she wanted to set them out. Ginny was almost certainly created with "Harry's love interest" in mind, and then woven into the plot for CoS the more it was planned.

That's what I think happened. Ginny was primarily created to be Harry's love interest, however I think Hermione and Ron were given dual purposes. Harry needed friends, so she created Ron and Hermione to be his friends. Together they provide support for Harry in their individual ways: Ron is the loyal best friend, and as a boy, he gives Harry almost constant companionship. Ron is also the vehicle to introduce Harry to the Weasleys and give Harry a surrogate family. Hermione is the information-giver and provides the discipline to work hard. But Hermione and Ron are also a couple, and their personalities were developed to be a good match for each other.

I wonder how JKR initially envisioned the connections between Ron, Hermione and Harry? I think she conceived Ron and Hermione as Harry's friends first, then as a romantic pairing second. I hope JKR tells us after book 7.

So my guess: Six children, among them twins, with Hermione being of the opinion that would be enough now and Ron insisting on a seventh to complete the Weasley Quidditch team.

:lol:

It makes me a little ashamed of being a Harry/ Harmione shipper when I read the first book or two.

Oh, really?

*flies Harmonian flag stubornly*

To be honest, though, I'd be very surprised if either of them died. I just can't see what purpose it would serve in the story, beyond giving Harry more motivation (and let's face it, he already has more than enough of that).

Right. We've discussed this to great length before, and as meesha has said - it would just be shock plot. And Jo's a better writer than that.

:lol:

Oh, really?

*flies Harmonian flag stubornly*

:lol: Sorry, didn't mean to offend you!
I used to be one, I changed to Ron and Hermione obiously, the shipping went over my head the first time I read the first and/or second book. :p I'm dimwitted in missing the obvious sometimes. :p lol.

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:D Don't worry, I only beat my friends over the head with things.

That makes me nervous RWeasleysgirl! :lol:

That makes me nervous RWeasleysgirl! :lol:

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Just be thankful you're not my enemy!:evil:

I think that their relationship will be alot better now that Ron has grown up a bit and accepted his feelings for Hermione and her feelings for him.

Now that they have both grown up. Hermione had a lot to work on, too. She's now become much more tolerant of him in situations she wouldn't have before. She's begun letting him know that she cares about him for who he is, no matter how many times he messes up.

Refer, if you please, to that obscure and forgotten quote in PS....yes, no, a page forward...precisely there, where DD says that to the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure...

I'm impressed with Dumbledore's wisdom, even if he's a fictional character. And how does this tie in with R/Hr, you ask? Before you rush forward to compliment me yet again for my delusions, let me explain...

Look at it from a higher standpoint. Hermione doesn't know everything, even if she's knowledgable. However, her mind is best organized. She's guided by thoughts, and Ron by feelings. The idea of death is terrifying to both, but Hermione would cope with it better than Ron. Currently, the face of death is ol' voldie. Ron can't even say the *******'s name without shaking like a leaf. And DD also said, fear of the name increases fear for the thing itself.

And even though death is sorrowful, it's the mental attitude that matters, and it must remain intact even through the emotional change, if either one of them dies. Life goes on. With, or without them.

and why the фаск are swear words censored? admit it, you use them as regularly as i do.

Ron doesnt shake like a leaf or he doesnt say the word voldemort cuz he is scared, but because his parent doesnt allow him to say it, and as much as i know ron always seem to take death eater and voldemort jokingly referring back to HBP (when Ron mother gets mad at him cuz he said voldemort wont be coming to Diagon Alley)

I think that their relationship will be alot better now that Ron has grown up a bit and accepted his feelings for Hermione and her feelings for him.

Now that they have both grown up. Hermione had a lot to work on, too. She's now become much more tolerant of him in situations she wouldn't have before. She's begun letting him know that she cares about him for who he is, no matter how many times he messes up.
To be fair they both had issues to clear up before they got to the point where they are now.

Ron had some emotional maturing to do and yet he wasn't completely responsible for the fiasco involving him and Lavender. Hermione had become so proficient at trying to hide her feelings from those around her that she hid them from Ron too, in her efforts not to be too obvious she actually came off as being dismissive of him to the point where he was understandably confused. The entire fiasco was a valuable learning experience for the both of them.

Ron doesnt shake like a leaf or he doesnt say the word voldemort cuz he is scared, but because his parent doesnt allow him to say it, and as much as i know ron always seem to take death eater and voldemort jokingly referring back to HBP (when Ron mother gets mad at him cuz he said voldemort wont be coming to Diagon Alley)

I think it's fair to say that Ron is afraid to say Voldemort's name, but that really only makes him more noble when you think about it. Ron is so terrified that he can't even say this man's name, yet when Harry's heading off to face him who's the first one to say that he'll be right behind him? Ron. Bravery is not the absense of fear. You can be terrified and still be very brave.

To be fair they both had issues to clear up before they got to the point where they are now.

Ron had some emotional maturing to do and yet he wasn't completely responsible for the fiasco involving him and Lavender. Hermione had become so proficient at trying to hide her feelings from those around her that she hid them from Ron too, in her efforts not to be too obvious she actually came off as being dismissive of him to the point where he was understandably confused. The entire fiasco was a valuable learning experience for the both of them.


That's exactly what I'm saying. She already said that Ron needed to grow up, so I was just pointing out that Hermione did, too.

To be fair they both had issues to clear up before they got to the point where they are now.

Ron had some emotional maturing to do and yet he wasn't completely responsible for the fiasco involving him and Lavender. Hermione had become so proficient at trying to hide her feelings from those around her that she hid them from Ron too, in her efforts not to be too obvious she actually came off as being dismissive of him to the point where he was understandably confused. The entire fiasco was a valuable learning experience for the both of them.

Yes, I agree Hermione had some problems to sort through herself and she wasn't completely honest with Ron about how she felt. Ron wasn't either, instead of taking some of the hints that Hermione was giving he went a whole different way. This was partly Hermione's fault because she would give those hints and then take them away.

To be fair though, Ron didn't usually seem to get the hint. And he gave her just as many as she gave him and he didn't take them either. Neither of them were really ready to be together before now, and now that they are they can be.

To be fair though, Ron didn't usually seem to get the hint. And he gave her just as many as she gave him and he didn't take them either. Neither of them were really ready to be together before now, and now that they are they can be.

Right, it was almost like they liked doing the "oh I was going to be with you but now I know you want to I don't." or just blowing off the the hints they were both giving.

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Just be thankful you're not my enemy!:evil:

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Ron had some emotional maturing to do and yet he wasn't completely responsible for the fiasco involving him and Lavender. Hermione had become so proficient at trying to hide her feelings from those around her that she hid them from Ron too, in her efforts not to be too obvious she actually came off as being dismissive of him to the point where he was understandably confused. The entire fiasco was a valuable learning experience for the both of them.
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I think it's fair to say that Ron is afraid to say Voldemort's name, but that really only makes him more noble when you think about it. Ron is so terrified that he can't even say this man's name, yet when Harry's heading off to face him who's the first one to say that he'll be right behind him? Ron. Bravery is not the absense of fear. You can be terrified and still be very brave.
I agree, I also think that Ron and Hermione will say is name more often in this book though.:)

Yes, I agree Hermione had some problems to sort through herself and she wasn't completely honest with Ron about how she felt. Ron wasn't either, instead of taking some of the hints that Hermione was giving he went a whole different way. This was partly Hermione's fault because she would give those hints and then take them away.
Well one hint she cant take away:
Oppungo! did i spell that right? please tell me if i didn't.:lol:
That to me should have given it all away. :cool:

To be fair though, Ron didn't usually seem to get the hint. And he gave her just as many as she gave him and he didn't take them either. Neither of them were really ready to be together before now, and now that they are they can be.

:evil: Jealous hints is what he gave, his feelings gave away in book 4, i agree, as much as i disliked the Lavender and Ron kissing fiasco, It was amusing, and it also showed more colors.
We now know Hermy has a dark side. :elaugh:

I think it's fair to say that Ron is afraid to say Voldemort's name, but that really only makes him more noble when you think about it. Ron is so terrified that he can't even say this man's name, yet when Harry's heading off to face him who's the first one to say that he'll be right behind him? Ron. Bravery is not the absense of fear. You can be terrified and still be very brave.

i still dont think ron is afraid to say voldemort names, cuz for his whole life he is been using a name for him and all of sudden someone wants him to use a different name it takes time to get use to it. Also, i still think he doesnt use voldemorts name cuz of his parents.

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:agree:

I agree, I also think that Ron and Hermione will say is name more often in this book though.:)

I hadn't thought of that, maybe they will.


Well one hint she cant take away:
Oppungo! did i spell that right? please tell me if i didn't.:lol:
That to me should have given it all away. :cool:

Lol, definitely. I think it's "Oppugno" actually, but I can't really remember.



:evil: Jealous hints is what he gave, his feelings gave away in book 4, i agree, as much as i disliked the Lavender and Ron kissing fiasco, It was amusing, and it also showed more colors.
We now know Hermy has a dark side. :elaugh:


It was very amusing, and it certainly got Ron and Hermione to a point where Ron realized that he doesn't want to settle for anything less than Hermione, and Hermione realized that she can't bear the thought of him with another girl.

awww...
let me break into a song that fits this response...
"Love Hurts, blah blah,blah..."
You get the picture.:nc:

i still dont think ron is afraid to say voldemort names, cuz for his whole life he is been using a name for him and all of sudden someone wants him to use a different name it takes time to get use to it. Also, i still think he doesnt use voldemorts name cuz of his parents.

I think that it's mostly conditioning. His parents don't say it and he's been raised not to. There is some fear because of that - as Dumbledore said, "Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself". Harry noted that as well in PS/SS - he started to get a prickle of fear every time he heard "You-know-Who".

But Ron doesn't shake with fear every time he hears Voldemort's name - he just winces mostly. It makes him uncomfortable.

That's really interesting, and it suggests to me that a lot of thought went into who would fall in love from quite early on. Hermione and Ginny didn't pop into her head on that first day - they might have been created when Jo had in mind what she wanted to do with the romances, and how she wanted to set them out. Ginny was almost certainly created with "Harry's love interest" in mind, and then woven into the plot for CoS the more it was planned.JKR said she developed Ginny to be the "perfect Girl" for Harry. Since she knew they all were growing up during the course of the series, I think she planned the romantic pairings early on. If she created Hermione to be Ron´s girlfriend and worked her into the friendship, make it a trio, or if she did it like sparkly suggests, I don´t know. I tend to think she created the trio friendship first. The number three, Harry needs friends, JKR needs an information giver et al. good reasons to have an additional character in the friendship. And thus she avoided the buddy story. She included a female touch so to say. From there she might have thought Ron and Hermione would make a good couple and created their personalities accordingly.


I wonder how JKR initially envisioned the connections between Ron, Hermione and Harry? I think she conceived Ron and Hermione as Harry's friends first, then as a romantic pairing second. I hope JKR tells us after book 7.Definately one of the things I want to ask JKR. I really should start making a list. I have already forgotten most of the questions.

To be fair though, Ron didn't usually seem to get the hint. And he gave her just as many as she gave him and he didn't take them either. Neither of them were really ready to be together before now, and now that they are they can be.That is true. But Hermione did not give that much hints. She was very very reclusive with her feelings. And not only that, out of fear to give her feelings aways she was submissive towards Ron, shushing him when he yearned for attention. How could a somewhat romantically clueless teenage boy full of insecurities take on that? I think both were somehow "blind" to the tiny, barely perceptible, hints of the other because they were hindered by there insecurities and self-issues. And if one gave a more obvious hint the other tried to explain that away with friendship.

Jealous hints is what he gave, his feelings gave away in book 4, Yes, Ron was obvious. To Harry and to us readers. Hermione had an idea where his strong reaction to her friendship with Krum came from. But, as I said above, she had her insecurities as well. She witnessed Ron drooling over pretty women and girls (Madame Rosmerta, Fleur) and thought she could not compare with their good looks anyway. And thus she was never sure about Ron´s feelings. She explained his possible jealousy aways with overprotectveness towards a best friend. She was never 100% sure.

JKR said she developed Ginny to be the "perfect Girl" for Harry. Since she knew they all were growing up during the course of the series, I think she planned the romantic pairings early on. If she created Hermione to be Ron´s girlfriend and worked her into the friendship, make it a trio, or if she did it like sparkly suggests, I don´t know. I tend to think she created the trio friendship first. The number three, Harry needs friends, JKR needs an information giver et al. good reasons to have an additional character in the friendship. And thus she avoided the buddy story. She included a female touch so to say. From there she might have thought Ron and Hermione would make a good couple and created their personalities accordingly.

Off the top of my head, I don't recall Jo ever discussing how she envisioned the relationships when starting out. I do know that she did make that decision while writing PS/SS so their personalities were developed according to how the couples were going to end up. But only Jo can tell us if she envisioned the friendship first or the pairings. It could very well be that it was a simultaneous decision - she came up with the three characters as friends and paired them off at the same time. We won't know unless Jo tells us.

Definately one of the things I want to ask JKR. I really should start making a list. I have already forgotten most of the questions.

A list is a good idea. Maybe we should start one here. After book 7 comes out, we can cross off the questions that are answered by the book and then send the rest to Jo with pleas for answers.

What questions about Ron and Hermione would you all like to be answered in book 7 - or by Jo afterwards?

Here are a few questions that I would ask.


When did Ron realize that he fancied Hermione?
When did Hermione realize that she fancied Ron?
Did Hermione really snog Viktor Krum?
What was the third thing that Hermione smelled in the Amortentia potion?
What did Ron smell in the Amortentia potion?

I think from the beginning it was probably a trio of friends, two of whom would eventually become more. Writing doesn't always come one thing at a time, at least it doesn't for me, I assume it's the same for most.

You already listed the main thing I would want to ask about them: What did they smell in the amortentia? Another thing I wonder is how many people suspect that they have a thing for each other. I mean, it's obvious to us, and to Harry, but we see what Jo wants us to see, and we see it through Harry. I'd like to know who else has an idea.

I think from the beginning it was probably a trio of friends, two of whom would eventually become more. Writing doesn't always come one thing at a time, at least it doesn't for me, I assume it's the same for most.

You already listed the main thing I would want to ask about them: What did they smell in the amortentia? Another thing I wonder is how many people suspect that they have a thing for each other. I mean, it's obvious to us, and to Harry, but we see what Jo wants us to see, and we see it through Harry. I'd like to know who else has an idea.

Well, let's start when Ron was poisened and when he was with Lavender, with the way Hermione was reacting, she obviously suspected something during and After the relationship. Like you said, Harry, it's way too obious on his part. I'm also guessing that people like Neville, Dean, and Seamus know, because they all share a room with each other. Hermione, her roomates probably know as well, whoever they are. Hagrid i think knows, Mrs. Weasley, Ginny most likely could guess. I think A Lot of people have the assumption.
Oh, and according to Meesha from her fanfiction, Luna knew! i liked that story by the way. :)
wait, Who does Hermione share a room with? :huh:

I think Hermione shared a room with Lavendar and Parvati, and I think they knew. Ginny I don't think did, because, like was discussed before, if she knew that Ron loved Hermione, it would have been a little insensetive to talk about her snogging Krum like she did in book six, not to mention unlike her. She would more likely have said something like "You could be snogging Hermione if you tried." I'm interested mostly in whether Mrs. Weasley knows. I'd love to see her reaction when it's final, too.

Well, let's start when Ron was poisened and when he was with Lavender, with the way Hermione was reacting, she obviously suspected something during and After the relationship. Like you said, Harry, it's way too obious on his part. I'm also guessing that people like Neville, Dean, and Seamus know, because they all share a room with each other. Hermione, her roomates probably know as well, whoever they are. Hagrid i think knows, Mrs. Weasley, Ginny most likely could guess. I think A Lot of people have the assumption.
Oh, and according to Meesha from her fanfiction, Luna knew! i liked that story by the way. :)
wait, Who does Hermione share a room with? :huh:

Hermione shares a dorm room with Lavender and Parvati - there have been no mentions of any other female Gryffindors in the same year. I think Lavender probably began to suspect after she started dating Ron - especially after he was poisoned and they made up.

However, I don't think that it is "common knowledge" - very few people suspect/know, IMO. Neville, Dean, and Seamus share their dorm room and they share a camaraderie. Dean and Seamus in particular will tease and joke with them. Because of that, I think that, if they suspected, they would have teased him about it at some point - or at least commented on it.

Hagrid might suspect, but I'm not too sure about him. I think Mrs. Weasley knows that Ron likes Hermione, but I'm not sure if she knows Hermione returns his feelings - she probably suspects though. I think Ginny and the twins are completely clueless about it. Ginny would have been upset with Ron during HBP if she knew and the twins would be teasing Ron relentlessly about it if they knew.

Luna might know or suspect. She strikes me as the type who would sit back quietly and observe - possibly commenting on it at an unexpected time. But there really isn't anything in the books to support saying that she knows/suspects for sure. So I'll add that question to the list.


When did Ron realize that he fancied Hermione?
When did Hermione realize that she fancied Ron?
Did Hermione really snog Viktor Krum?
What was the third thing that Hermione smelled in the Amortentia potion?
What did Ron smell in the Amortentia potion?
Besides Harry, who else knows/suspects that they like each other?

Hermione shares a dorm room with Lavender and Parvati - there have been no mentions of any other female Gryffindors in the same year. I think Lavender probably began to suspect after she started dating Ron - especially after he was poisoned and they made up.
I think she suspected before. Didn't she or Parvati ask Harry why Ron wasn't taking Hermione to the Yule Ball?

Thats right! yes, Parvarti knows as well :)
Idk, i think Ginny not totaly clueless, she has to have some idea. Fred and George maby are clueless.

I think she suspected before. Didn't she or Parvati ask Harry why Ron wasn't taking Hermione to the Yule Ball?

Parvati suggested that Ron take Hermione to the Yule Ball. I go back and forth on that. It could be a clue that she suspected that they liked each other, but it is more likely that she didn't believe that anyone else would ask Hermione to the ball.

What makes me think that is her reaction to seeing Hermione at the ball. She stared at her with "unflattering disbelief" - which was probably a combination of Hermione's changed appearance and the fact that she was there with Krum.

Because of that, I think that Parvati was suggesting a "pity date" rather than thinking that they liked each other. Ron apparently couldn't find a date on his own - otherwise, Harry would not have been asking for him - and she didn't believe that Hermione could find a date.

Lavender and Parvati are wild cards basically because we only get Harry's impression of them. Hermione is very private and reserved - she's not talking to anyone about her feelings for Ron - so we know that they aren't getting any information from Hermione. They aren't around the trio very much - mostly just in class - so they wouldn't have much to go on in terms of seeing Ron and Hermione interact.

I don't think either of them thought about it before Ron and Lavender started dating. After they started dating, I think Lavender figured it out - my guess would be after Ron and Hermione made up because that's when she started showing jealousy towards Hermione. Because they're best friends, Lavender probably shared her suspicions with Parvati. So, they probably have a good idea now, but I don't think they did before.

Another interesting factor in this is the fact that Lavender ditched Ron in the middle of the common room - with a lot of yelling. It would be interesting to know exactly what Lavender was yelling because she got mad at seeing Ron and Hermione come down from the boys' dormitory together. Depending on what Lavender was yelling about, whoever was in the common room during that time would suspect now.

Basically, I don't think any of their classmates suspected prior to the events of HBP. A few of them probably suspect now though.

Thats right! yes, Parvarti knows as well :)
Idk, i think Ginny not totaly clueless, she has to have some idea. Fred and George maby are clueless.

I already addressed Parvati - see above. :)

I think Ginny is completely clueless about it. I can't imagine her completely ignoring Hermione the way she did in HBP if she knew that they liked each other - nor can I see her not getting upset with Ron and saying something to him about hurting Hermione if she knew.

Prior to HBP, I thought Ginny might possibly suspect. But, after HBP and seeing that Ginny did not once offer Hermione any comfort during that time or say anything to Ron, I don't think she even suspects. I expect that Ginny will probably be totally flabbergasted when they get together.

Fred and George have no idea at all. Neither of them would pass up an opportunity to tease Ron about it if they knew.

Basically, I don't think any of their classmates suspected prior to the events of HBP. A few of them probably suspect now though.
I see what you mean with Hermione, she tends to hide feelings with Ron well, but i still think some people expected it was there.
Ron i think was somewhat obvious, I'm thinking his dorm buddies knew, like by "overhearing" thier conversations or things like that.
People most likely knew just from thier reactions when they argue.

I see what you mean with Hermione, she tends to hide feelings with Ron well, but i still think some people expected it was there.
Ron i think was somewhat obvious, I'm thinking his dorm buddies knew, like by "overhearing" thier conversations or things like that.
People most likely knew just from thier reactions when they argue.

That's pretty much the point. Ron hasn't really been obvious - not to the other people around them. Harry sees it, but he spends almost all of his time with Ron. What really makes his feelings obvious are his reactions to Krum - which only Harry and Hermione have really witnessed. Although, thinking back, Padma might have wondered about it after the Yule Ball.

Whenever one of those "anvil sized" clues occurred, it was primarily just the trio involved. So I don't think that their classmates have actually seen anything that would clue them in. And I can't imagine that none of them would have said anything about it by now. Dean and Seamus would have teased Ron at least once about Hermione - or at least made some kind of comment about it.

I just don't think it's obvious to everyone around them because the trio is somewhat isolated. They rarely hang out with other people. It's usually just the three of them.

thats true, but I still think maby people closer to them like Hagrid know.

Wait, I just remembered! Malfoy! He has to know!

thats true, but I still think maby people closer to them like Hagrid know.

Wait, I just remembered! Malfoy! He has to know!

I agree that it's possible for Hagrid to know or suspect - but it's not really indicated in the books if he does. I do think Mrs. Weasley knows how Ron feels - mother's tend to pick up on things like that ;) - but I'm not sure that she knows how Hermione feels. She might suspect though.

I'm mainly talking about their classmates because they don't really hang out with any of them. The trio is somewhat isolated in that regard. They sit off by themselves in the common room - usually sit together in class - study together - and so on.

And I don't think Ron's siblings know simply because they don't act like they know or even suspect. If any of them would know, it would be Ginny and the twins because the trio has spent more time with them. Yet their behavior and attitudes are contradictory to saying that they know. The twins would tease Ron relentlessly about it - they don't pass up any opportunities to tease Ron. Ginny would have been supportive of Hermione in HBP - she would have offered her comfort - she would have been angry at Ron for hurting Hermione. Since she didn't do any of those things and basically ignored Hermione during that time, I have to say that she does not know or even suspect.

I think that's a good question for Jo because I don't think it's something that will be covered in book 7 - it's not really relevant to the plot or the overall story. That's why I added it to the list. ;)

ETA -

Why does Malfoy have to know? :huh:

Meesha1971, I see your point about Parvati but they could still have suspected a little. Also, since Harry was asking Parvati to the Yule Ball, maybe she just concluded that Ron had asked Hermione instead and she weren't guessing anything.

Another question is how did Ron and Harry not know that Dean was dating Ginny? Dean must have been hiding or trying not to be obvious or the guys are really unobservant.

I mean that Malfoy probably figured it out, thats what i meant. by past senarios, and things like that. since he chose the dark side, could he possibly use thier love against them?
the drama!

Meesha1971, I see your point about Parvati but they could still have suspected a little. Also, since Harry was asking Parvati to the Yule Ball, maybe she just concluded that Ron had asked Hermione instead and she weren't guessing anything.

I agree that it's possible, but Parvati's reaction to seeing Hermione at the ball makes it more likely that she was suggesting a pity date because she didn't think Hermione could get a date.

Another question is how did Ron and Harry not know that Dean was dating Ginny? Dean must have been hiding or trying not to be obvious or the guys are really unobservant.

Well, we don't know exactly when Ginny started dating Dean. She just made the announcement on the train ride home at the end of OOTP - she didn't say when they started dating.

But that's pretty much my point. If Ginny hadn't told them, they wouldn't have known until they saw them together. Ron and Harry don't hang out with Dean and Seamus. The reverse would be true with Dean and Seamus not realizing that Ron and Hermione like each other simply because they don't hang out with each other.

I don't think the boys knew, especially not Seamus or Dean. Neville is slightly closer to the trio, it's possible he might notice, but nothing implies that. Parvati and Lavendar know now, obviously. If Luna knows then she probably just assumes that everyone knows, and doesn't see a reason to point it out.

The younger Weasleys (Fred, George, Ginny) obviously don't know for the reasons you stated, Bill and Percy probably don't know because they don't really spend so much time around Ron, though they might not be shocked (ok, Percy wouldn't care). Molly probably had an idea that her little boy was in love, and probably assumed Hermione feels the same, and if she does then she would have shared her suspisions with Arthur.

I also wonder about the other adults. You know, like the Order and the teachers. I mean, they probably wouldn't really care, but I can see someone like Tonks witnessing a sideways glance, and thinking, "aw, how cute..."

tonks i think would notice.
mrs. Weaslwy, can't wait for her reaction!

Mrs. Weasley and Fred and George. :agree: I would love to see their reactions.

Actually the point of who knows about the way they feel toward one another is an interesting one, that and the likely reactions of people when they find out.

Of their peers I think Pavarti might have a notion of how Ron felt, possibly through Padma and the Yule ball. I wouldn't have been surprised if she'd quietly advised Lavender to tread carefully with Ron because of this. Still Meesha's point on the isolation of the trio, even from their peers, would mean that there would be very few of the student body that would be aware of their attachment. The one notable exception could be Draco, he well knows how defensive of Hermione Ron is and has known since second year so I'd expect him to have put two and two together by now.

So the list of students that probably know would be:

Harry
Pavarti
Padma
Lavender
Neville (I would suspect)
Luna
Draco (Again I would suspect)

It's a short list. As for those outside of their peers I would think the list would be even shorter:

Molly (Though I think she's only really aware of Ron's feelings)
Arthur (Through Molly unless she keeps her own counsel)
Remus (Big maybe)
Tonks (Another big maybe)
Snape (I would suspect for reasons similar to Draco)

So the next obvious question in my mind becomes how are their broader family, friends and acquaintances going to react to their public 'coming out'?

I can see Molly beaming, maybe even in tears at the revelation, Arthur will be quietly satisfied, Harry will be 'about bloody time', Ginny will likely be gobsmacked (as I agree with Meesha that she doesn't have a clue about them) and the twins will be insufferable.

So anyway, how will some of the others react do you think?

Harry will be 'about bloody time'

I think he will, but I also think we'll see a little more of his anxiety about being "shut out". Obviously, we know he doesn't have anything to worry about there (Ron and Hermione are hardly likely to be embarrassingly lovey-dovey with each other), but Harry does seem to be a little concerned about it, and there's a possibility that, for a while at least, it could make him feel even more isolated than usual (especially considering his decision to distance himself from Ginny). I can imagine Hermione picking up on this and assuring him that nothing will change.

I agree that it's possible, but Parvati's reaction to seeing Hermione at the ball makes it more likely that she was suggesting a pity date because she didn't think Hermione could get a date. I am really not sure about Parvati as of GoF. I mean, after the Ron/Lavender thing, I´m sure both Parvati and Lavender know, but before? When Parvati made the comment in GoF about Hermione and Ron going to the ball together, it seemed to me that Parvati thought this was just the most natural and normal thing in the world. She was astonished that Ron hadn´t asked Hermione by then. So, I think she did not just suggest a pity date. She, and other Gryffindors as well, must have witnessed one or the other bickering-session between Ron and Hermione. Not to the extent as Harry has, but from time to time. And she might have drawn the correct conclusion, UT. And if she did, she would have talked with Lavender about that. Call me silly, but I somehow like the idea Parvati had warned Lavender to get involved with Ron. Maybe that is the reason (one of the reasons) Lavender preferred all these public displays. Even if Hermione left the room most of the time, they would be talked about. But I stray. Basically, I think Parvati and Lavender might have had an idea early on.

Of their peers I think Pavarti might have a notion of how Ron felt, possibly through Padma and the Yule ball. I tend to think Parvati "knew" prior to that, but that is definately a good point. Padme would have told her every detail about the worst date a girl could have.:D

I wouldn't have been surprised if she'd quietly advised Lavender to tread carefully with Ron because of this. :agree:

Still Meesha's point on the isolation of the trio, even from their peers, would mean that there would be very few of the student body that would be aware of their attachment. The one notable exception could be Draco, he well knows how defensive of Hermione Ron is and has known since second year so I'd expect him to have put two and two together by now.I don´t think Ron and Harry´s dorm-mates know, and apart from Parvati and Lavender most of the other Hogwarts student don´t know either. I´m not sure about Draco. He insults Ron endlessly about his family´s lack of money and such, wouldn´t he have made some nasty comment on that? The blood-traitor and the mud-blood?

So the list of students that probably know would be:

Harry
Pavarti
Padma
Lavender
Neville (I would suspect)
Luna
Draco (Again I would suspect)
I agree, except for Neville and Draco.


Molly (Though I think she's only really aware of Ron's feelings)
Arthur (Through Molly unless she keeps her own counsel)
Remus (Big maybe)
Tonks (Another big maybe)
Snape (I would suspect for reasons similar to Draco)
Molly and Arthur, yes. I´m sure Molly would make a remark to Arthur about it. She must be thrilled. She knows and likes Hermione.

Remus, Tonks, other Order members: I don´t think so. They are not around Ron and Hermione often or long enough. Snape, I don´t think so, unless he had used Legilimency at some time on one or both of them. :D I don´t think he´s interested enough.

Hagrid: I think he could know. We see him most of the time as the kind of good-hearted but naive half-giant, who doesn´t seem to have too much experience with women himself. But I can imagine he has a good intuition for kids and teenagers. He works at Hogwarts for decades now, and he is around Ron and Hermione a lot. Maybe he began to suspect evolving feelings between them already back in third year when Hermione consulted him and obviously bared her soul to him during the Crookshanks/Scabbers fight.

Ron´s siblings: None of them knows or has even an inkling, IMO.

The teachers: The only teachers I think might have an idea the two like each other are Dumbledore and McGonagall. Can´t really say why. Maybe. They seem to have (had) the most contact with Ron and Hermione.

I can see Molly beaming, maybe even in tears at the revelation, Arthur will be quietly satisfied, Harry will be 'about bloody time', Ginny will likely be gobsmacked (as I agree with Meesha that she doesn't have a clue about them) and the twins will be insufferable.:lol: Absolutely, I can see that.

So anyway, how will some of the others react do you think?
I guess most of them will either not care because they are not close enough to them (i.e. Shacklebolt or Moody) or think it´s lovely and sweet and a good thing (i.e. Tonks and Remus).

Bill and Charlie don´t know Hermione that good, especially Charlie, but they will find it okay.

I think he will, but I also think we'll see a little more of his anxiety about being "shut out". Obviously, we know he doesn't have anything to worry about there (Ron and Hermione are hardly likely to be embarrassingly lovey-dovey with each other), but Harry does seem to be a little concerned about it, and there's a possibility that, for a while at least, it could make him feel even more isolated than usual (especially considering his decision to distance himself from Ginny). I can imagine Hermione picking up on this and assuring him that nothing will change.I had the impression Harry had already dealt with his concerns about the effect a Ron and Hermione relationship could have on him and their friendship in HBP. He had witnessed what happens when they not get together, their whole friendship was about to fall apart. I´m sure Harry prefers the other solution. And I don´t think he really dreads them becoming embarrassing around him. He has had a relationship himself and knows how those things can be handled. And if Ron and Hermione get caught up in themselves and forget Harry is around, he has a mouth to speak up or he could leave the room. ;)

meesha, thanks for starting the list, I added some questions (red).


When did Ron realize that he fancied Hermione?
When did Hermione realize that she fancied Ron?
Did Hermione really snog Viktor Krum?
What was the third thing that Hermione smelled in the Amortentia potion?
What did Ron smell in the Amortentia potion?
Besides Harry, who else knows/suspects that they like each other?
What exactly was Lavender yelling at Ron?
What exactly did Ron feel after Ginny´s "Hermione snogged Krum comment?"
What exactly did Ron feel after Hermione´s comments after the Quidditch match?
When did Ron realize Hermione might fancy him back?
When did Hermione realize Ron might fancy her back?
When exactly did Krum ask Hermione to the Yule Ball?

I had the impression Harry had already dealt with his concerns about the effect a Ron and Hermione relationship could have on him and their friendship in HBP. He had witnessed what happens when they not get together, their whole friendship was about to fall apart. I´m sure Harry prefers the other solution. And I don´t think he really dreads them becoming embarrassing around him. He has had a relationship himself and knows how those things can be handled. And if Ron and Hermione get caught up in themselves and forget Harry is around, he has a mouth to speak up or he could leave the room. ;)


That's a good point, actually. I'm sure even Harry will have realised by now that Ron and Hermione have nowhere else to go but a romantic relationship - they can't carry on as "just friends" for much longer, because that isn't the type of dynamic they have, and we've seen the problems it can cause when they colloquialnameforacat-foot (it won't let me use the other word ;) ) around their feelings and don't act on them. But then again, you have to remember that this is Harry we're talking about, and he's not always the best at picking up on these sorts of things. ;)

I agree to he realized their next step is a relationship, I have to say though that he picked up the Ron and Hermione situatioin going on since year two. I think he'll be suprised when they kiss, because it will be sudden, like people with him and ginny.

I think it's made quite clear in HBP that Harry knows how Ron and Hermione feel. His thoughts during the Herbology class conversation were pretty much saying it. Also how he went to talk to Hermione after she saw Ron kissing Lavendar, and how he felt it would be insensetive to tell Ron that her thought Hermione probably had kissed Viktor.


Another thing we might want to add to the list is asking when Hermione accepted Viktor's invitation. Was it before or after Ron asked her in his ever-so-charming way?

good question. :cool:

I agree, like I said, Harry knows. ever since book two, i belive he had the Idea they cared for each other. Though then I was a H/Hr shipper, because I took the r/hr clues so lightly, I didn't know what to think. then I read and reread and i now i know. :)

well, the way they react around each other, it's obvious that the like each other! And i really think that harry does know because he sees them acting weird, and in herbiology harry tries to be loud so he doesn't hear them!

Harry probably knew for a while, because I think it says in HBP that Harry was "expecting this for a long time" or something along the lines of that, but for whatever reason Jo neglected to tell us that he knew. Either she didn't want to confirm it just yet, or she just didn't think about letting us know.

Hermione tries to be mean to Ron, and make come-backs in all of their arguements but you can totally tell she's been crushing over him since like third year.

:agree: they liked each other since second or third year.

aww, do you think that they will get together at bill and fleur's wedding? A romantical gathering could make them see their love!

Some people do, but I'm rooting for the train now. It would be more personal, I think, and more romantic.

actually sweet16, I wrote a fanfiction on them getting together then, I see them getting together at either the train or wedding. Or them having a start on the train and having thier kiss atr the wedding making it official, but I'm more of a trainer today, just because I feel like it.
I'm still the official both-er though!

What's both-er? lol
I still think they'll get together on the train, but they'll get a huge moment later. Maybe at the wedding, but I'm not sure.

Lol, yeah, Potterposse's got her wedding fic on her siggy, I've got my train fic on mine. So if you want to see either of our theories on how it will play out, you can check those out, lol.

By both-er she just means she thinks they'll pretty much get halfway on the train and make it final at the wedding.

Oh okay, I guess that's kinda what I am then :p. Like meesha said a few pages back, they deserve their moment, but I think they need their little private moment as well.

If they got together on the train though, the wedding would present a nice opportunity for them to sneak off and get some snogging done before their big mission and where no one will be paying attention to them!:love: ;)

Harry probably knew for a while, because I think it says in HBP that Harry was "expecting this for a long time" or something along the lines of that, but for whatever reason Jo neglected to tell us that he knew. Either she didn't want to confirm it just yet, or she just didn't think about letting us know.

She did let us know, just in subtle ways.

In GoF, when Hermione yells at Ron for not asking her to the Ball first, and Ron says that by saying this she "completely missed the point", Harry thinks to himself that "Hermione had got the point much better than Ron had".

Then in OotP, when Hermione is arguing with Harry and turns to Ron for his opinion, Harry is reminded "irresistably" of Molly turning to Arthur for his advice.

Harry has been well aware of what's going on since GoF.

he's always been aware, but my two favorite r/hr awkward moments to harry senarios are...
-The Ball
-Herbology class, has to be #1 for me.
of course :D

That's a good point, actually. I'm sure even Harry will have realised by now that Ron and Hermione have nowhere else to go but a romantic relationship - they can't carry on as "just friends" for much longer, because that isn't the type of dynamic they have, and we've seen the problems it can cause when they colloquialnameforacat-foot (it won't let me use the other word ;) ) around their feelings and don't act on them. But then again, you have to remember that this is Harry we're talking about, and he's not always the best at picking up on these sorts of things. ;)

Bold mine - bwahahaha!:lol:

I agree with what you both said. Harry felt a little anxious about being left out before he had his relationship with Ginny (even before he was consciously aware he fancied her), but I think he now realizes that Ron and Hermione getting together won't cause him to be the third wheel. I think he's going to have moments where he misses Ginny while watching Ron and Hermione, but he's not going to feel excluded.

I sort of want to see how Harry and Ginny resolve things. I think Ron and Hermione will be partly the reason they will resolve things, if early. Even so towards the end, Harry will realize that its important for them to be w/each other and give in. Or Harry could wait until he defeated Voldemort, so they could share peace.
Ron and Hermione....finally!

Actually the point of who knows about the way they feel toward one another is an interesting one, that and the likely reactions of people when they find out.

Of their peers I think Pavarti might have a notion of how Ron felt, possibly through Padma and the Yule ball. I wouldn't have been surprised if she'd quietly advised Lavender to tread carefully with Ron because of this. Still Meesha's point on the isolation of the trio, even from their peers, would mean that there would be very few of the student body that would be aware of their attachment. The one notable exception could be Draco, he well knows how defensive of Hermione Ron is and has known since second year so I'd expect him to have put two and two together by now.

So the list of students that probably know would be:

Harry
Pavarti
Padma
Lavender
Neville (I would suspect)
Luna
Draco (Again I would suspect)

It's a short list.

I'm still iffy on Parvati. Maybe after the ball - from what Luna said in OOTP, Padma complained so that's possible. Then again, Parvati doesn't really seem overly concerned with Lavender flirting with Ron in HBP either. Of course, it has been two years so she might have considered it after the ball and figured that Padma was wrong since they never started dating after that.

Lavender would depend on Parvati I think. If Parvati knew/suspected then she may have cautioned Lavender in HBP. I just don't see anything to indicate that though. Lavender definitely knows now, but I don't think she knew before she started dating Ron. She might have suspected, but that would hinge on how much Parvati suspected.

Neville and Luna are interesting possibilities. The "quiet ones" so to speak. Both somewhat outcast - both with very few real friends. It's possible that they're more observant. I like the idea of Luna knowing - it makes for such entertaining writing - and reading! I'm just not completely convinced that she does.

I'm not so sure about Draco. The whole slug incident happened when they were 12. I don't think Draco was thinking in romantic terms back then. I'm not sure he would be now. And Draco didn't see that Ron had to be physically restrained after hearing him say that he wished Hermione had died. I think Draco would probably taunt Ron with that if he suspected - "not even good enough for a mudblood" or something like that, you know?

*Side note* Does anyone else wonder if it might be significant that our first big clue towards Ron/Hermione was the slug incident and Hermione invited Ron to a party for "The Slug Club"? I just noticed that. Rather odd coincidence.

As for those outside of their peers I would think the list would be even shorter:

Molly (Though I think she's only really aware of Ron's feelings)
Arthur (Through Molly unless she keeps her own counsel)
Remus (Big maybe)
Tonks (Another big maybe)
Snape (I would suspect for reasons similar to Draco)


I agree about Molly - mothers tend to figure these things out. ;) Arthur is a good possibility because it is likely that Molly would have mentioned it to him.

Lupin and Tonks - I'm not so sure about. They would definitely be big maybe's. Snape's another iffy one. You would think he would have used that in a taunt at this point - I could see him taunting Harry about being shut out. And he really only sees Ron and Hermione in class - for the most part anyway.

I would add Hagrid to that list as a maybe. The trio spends a lot of time with him so he could have figured it out. It's not really indicated on page though.

So the next obvious question in my mind becomes how are their broader family, friends and acquaintances going to react to their public 'coming out'?

I can see Molly beaming, maybe even in tears at the revelation, Arthur will be quietly satisfied, Harry will be 'about bloody time', Ginny will likely be gobsmacked (as I agree with Meesha that she doesn't have a clue about them) and the twins will be insufferable.

So anyway, how will some of the others react do you think?

I pretty much agree with you. Although I think Molly might have a bit of "about time" in addition to happy tears. ;) Ginny will definitely be gobsmacked. The twins will be rubbing their hands in fiendish glee.

I think there will be surprise overall from the others - possibly some "Awww! That's so sweet!" reactions depending on how it happens.

Boy the list grew! Good questions though.


When did Ron realize that he fancied Hermione?
When did Hermione realize that she fancied Ron?
Did Hermione really snog Viktor Krum?
What was the third thing that Hermione smelled in the Amortentia potion?
What did Ron smell in the Amortentia potion?
Besides Harry, who else knows/suspects that they like each other?
What exactly was Lavender yelling at Ron?
What exactly did Ron feel after Ginny´s "Hermione snogged Krum comment?"
What exactly did Ron feel after Hermione´s comments after the Quidditch match?
When did Ron realize Hermione might fancy him back?
When did Hermione realize Ron might fancy her back?
When exactly did Krum ask Hermione to the Yule Ball?
When did Hermione accept Viktor's invitation - before or after Ron made the troll comment?


I changed the last one to "before or after the troll comment" because Hermione had already accepted Krum's invitation when Ron did get around to asking her. I think it was the troll comment that led to her deciding to accept Krum's invitation. She didn't think Ron would ask her so she settled for Krum.

the one thing we haven't considered when wondering *WHO KNOWS* is that at the end of the day Harry and Ron go up to bed together but Hermione goes upto bed alone, so unlike Harry and Ron who always have each other to talk to at the end of everyday Hermione is bunking a room full of girls and lets face it girls gossip.

Although i do agree that Hermione isnt the type to openly discuss her feelings with the kinds of questions girls ask or things they talk about there's a good chance that the other girls may have had suspisions even from a general avoidance of certain things said by Hermione. We know that Hermione does talk to them, as seen in OOTP, when she mentions that Lavender thinks Harry is lying.

Girls talk and when they dont other girls start to wonder what they are trying to hide :P

so the real question is what has Hermione given clues to? There must be something as Lavender was immediately jealous of Hermione spending any time with Ron but never thought for a moment that she was actually keen on spending time with Harry when the trio hung out together, or even that she was talking to Ron about Harry ( as Lavender pestered Harry about Ron)

Hmm... I wonder whether Hermione talks in her sleep about Ron like he did about her? :)

Harry doesn't have anything to worry about, even if he is still worried. They've been a couple for six years, they just don't know it yet. The only thing that will really change is that there might be some snogging after their daily arguments, and I think he'd rather be left out of that.

the one thing we haven't considered when wondering *WHO KNOWS* is that at the end of the day Harry and Ron go up to bed together but Hermione goes upto bed alone, so unlike Harry and Ron who always have each other to talk to at the end of everyday Hermione is bunking a room full of girls and lets face it girls gossip.

Although i do agree that Hermione isnt the type to openly discuss her feelings with the kinds of questions girls ask or things they talk about there's a good chance that the other girls may have had suspisions even from a general avoidance of certain things said by Hermione. We know that Hermione does talk to them, as seen in OOTP, when she mentions that Lavender thinks Harry is lying.

Girls talk and when they dont other girls start to wonder what they are trying to hide :P

so the real question is what has Hermione given clues to? There must be something as Lavender was immediately jealous of Hermione spending any time with Ron but never thought for a moment that she was actually keen on spending time with Harry when the trio hung out together, or even that she was talking to Ron about Harry ( as Lavender pestered Harry about Ron)

Hmm... I wonder whether Hermione talks in her sleep about Ron like he did about her? :)

Not all girls gossip. ;)

Hermione has always been very careful in that regard. She doesn't do anything that would let her feelings slip. She avoids complimenting Ron or praising him too much because she's worried that it would reveal how she feels. She hid her feelings so well that Ron couldn't figure it out.

I think Lavender figured it out after she started dating Ron. She was with Ron when he came into the classroom and saw Hermione crying. At that point in time, I don't think she realized that Hermione was crying over Ron. As time went on, Ron's behavior clued her in. Ron is not as good at hiding his emotions. I think that's why Lavender became so clingy - she realized that Ron had feelings for Hermione and was threatened by that.

As far as talking in her sleep - if anyone could Imperturb their bed curtains, it would be Hermione. ;)

:agree: Yes, not all girls gossip, and Hermione doesn't strike me as one that would, especially about this. Ron doesn't even seem overly concerned with hiding his feelings anymore by HBP, I think he's kind of sick of it, actually. He pretty much told Harry how he felt, or at least had to know that he would figure it out, by asking if he thought Hermione really had kissed Viktor, (Ok, yes, Harry is his best friend, but it's still more than he's ever done before) but Hermione is a different story. She's getting closer to admitting it to him now, but she's not going to be discussing it with people who are barely her friends.

I'm still iffy on Parvati. Maybe after the ball - from what Luna said in OOTP, Padma complained so that's possible. Then again, Parvati doesn't really seem overly concerned with Lavender flirting with Ron in HBP either. Of course, it has been two years so she might have considered it after the ball and figured that Padma was wrong since they never started dating after that.

Lavender would depend on Parvati I think. If Parvati knew/suspected then she may have cautioned Lavender in HBP. I just don't see anything to indicate that though. Lavender definitely knows now, but I don't think she knew before she started dating Ron. She might have suspected, but that would hinge on how much Parvati suspected.
Might be, it was after all a couple of years since the ball and Ron and Hermione were rushing into a relationship with all the speed of an arthritic snail on serepax.

Neville and Luna are interesting possibilities. The "quiet ones" so to speak. Both somewhat outcast - both with very few real friends. It's possible that they're more observant. I like the idea of Luna knowing - it makes for such entertaining writing - and reading! I'm just not completely convinced that she does.
Well she was pretty observant about Padma's comments in her third year and wasn't reticent about repeating them the next. She also strikes me as someone who, despite outward appearances, is very sharp at putting odd bits and pieces of seemingly unrelated information together. I think she'd make a great detective. As for Neville I think the same applies to him without quite the same level of eccentricity. That and I suspect, not with any proof mind you, just a vague suspicion, that he has a soft spot for Hermione.

I'm not so sure about Draco. The whole slug incident happened when they were 12. I don't think Draco was thinking in romantic terms back then. I'm not sure he would be now. And Draco didn't see that Ron had to be physically restrained after hearing him say that he wished Hermione had died. I think Draco would probably taunt Ron with that if he suspected - "not even good enough for a mudblood" or something like that, you know?
Like Luna (now there's a funny comparison) I think Draco would be very good at putting odd bits of information together.

*Side note* Does anyone else wonder if it might be significant that our first big clue towards Ron/Hermione was the slug incident and Hermione invited Ron to a party for "The Slug Club"? I just noticed that. Rather odd coincidence.
Could be, don't know.

I agree about Molly - mothers tend to figure these things out. ;) Arthur is a good possibility because it is likely that Molly would have mentioned it to him.
:agree:

Lupin and Tonks - I'm not so sure about. They would definitely be big maybe's.
Lupin strikes me as something of a lonely, isolated character yet he's seen the trio in close quarters both at school and outside of it. People in that sort of position, again like Luna or Neville IMO, seem to notice more about those around them than might otherwise be the case. As for Tonks I think she's just plain nosey. :D

Snape's another iffy one. You would think he would have used that in a taunt at this point - I could see him taunting Harry about being shut out. And he really only sees Ron and Hermione in class - for the most part anyway.
Yes but he would have also noticed how Ron tends to defend her, he was even on the receiving end of some backchat over it from him once which musty have been an unusual occurrence in one of his classes. I think he may well suspect something is up.

I would add Hagrid to that list as a maybe. The trio spends a lot of time with him so he could have figured it out. It's not really indicated on page though.
:agree: Agreed.

I pretty much agree with you. Although I think Molly might have a bit of "about time" in addition to happy tears. ;) Ginny will definitely be gobsmacked. The twins will be rubbing their hands in fiendish glee.

I think there will be surprise overall from the others - possibly some "Awww! That's so sweet!" reactions depending on how it happens.
Can't wait to read it. :D

i dont know if this has been said but 11 pages is a lot to read through! i dont think harry really needs to see ron and hermione together as (knowing me and my best friend) i think ron would tell harry anyway! i think it would be great if they did it on the train so really the whole school would know then!

Of course, it has been two years so she might have considered it after the ball and figured that Padma was wrong since they never started dating after that.That´s a good point. I think it is possible Parvati had an idea about Ron and Hermione around the time of the Yule Ball, and told Lavender about it, but when nothing happened during fourth year and fifth year, they thought they might have been wrong. And Lavender might have thought: I´ll give it a try.

I'm not so sure about Draco. The whole slug incident happened when they were 12. I don't think Draco was thinking in romantic terms back then. I'm not sure he would be now. And Draco didn't see that Ron had to be physically restrained after hearing him say that he wished Hermione had died. I think Draco would probably taunt Ron with that if he suspected - "not even good enough for a mudblood" or something like that, you know?:agree:

*Side note* Does anyone else wonder if it might be significant that our first big clue towards Ron/Hermione was the slug incident and Hermione invited Ron to a party for "The Slug Club"? I just noticed that. Rather odd coincidence. Good catch. Maybe that´s just coincidence. Or it´s manifestation of JKR´s humour. :lol:


I added one more question in two parts.


When did Ron realize that he fancied Hermione?
When did Hermione realize that she fancied Ron?
Did Hermione really snog Viktor Krum?
What was the third thing that Hermione smelled in the Amortentia potion?
What did Ron smell in the Amortentia potion?
Besides Harry, who else knows/suspects that they like each other?
What exactly was Lavender yelling at Ron?
What exactly did Ron feel after Ginny´s "Hermione snogged Krum comment?"
What exactly did Ron feel after Hermione´s comments after the Quidditch match?
When did Ron realize Hermione might fancy him back?
When did Hermione realize Ron might fancy her back?
When exactly did Krum ask Hermione to the Yule Ball?
When did Hermione accept Viktor's invitation - before or after Ron made the troll comment?
Does Krum know Hermione has feelings for Ron?
If Krum knows: When and how did Hermione tell him?


I changed the last one to "before or after the troll comment" because Hermione had already accepted Krum's invitation when Ron did get around to asking her. I think it was the troll comment that led to her deciding to accept Krum's invitation. She didn't think Ron would ask her so she settled for Krum.I agree. During the spat that led to the troll comment, Hermione still seemed to have hope Ron would ask her. She had not yet given up completely, that´s why she reacted so strong in the first place. I think, if she had alreay accepted Krum´s invitation, she wouldn´t have been so upset. Maybe the whole conversation would not have taken place at all.

:agree: Yes, not all girls gossip, and Hermione doesn't strike me as one that would, especially about this.No, she wouldn´t. And, although Parvati and Lavender come across as the gossipy kind of girls, I somehow can´t imagine they would enmesh Hermione in a conversation about how cute she thinks her best friends are.

Ron doesn't even seem overly concerned with hiding his feelings anymore by HBP, I think he's kind of sick of it, actually. He pretty much told Harry how he felt, or at least had to know that he would figure it out, by asking if he thought Hermione really had kissed Viktor, (Ok, yes, Harry is his best friend, but it's still more than he's ever done before) but Hermione is a different story. She's getting closer to admitting it to him now, but she's not going to be discussing it with people who are barely her friends.Ron was never able to hide his feelings much, being moody and sulky and such. But maybe it wasn´t always that easy for Hermione to figure out where it comes from. "Is he sulky because he is jealous? And if he is jealous, does it mean he fancies me? No, not possible. He´s all for pretty girls and I am not that pretty. No, he is just overprotective. He is just jealous because he thinks I have to be exclusively his and Harry´s friend. But he is reacting really strong. I have told him I´m only pen-pals with Viktor. Maybe...."
And so on. I think Harry had a better access to Ron´s real concerns because Ron asked him several times about Hermione´s possible love live (What does she see in Krum?, OotP; Did she really kiss Krum?, HBP; Does she really date McLaggen?, HBP). All this gives Harry an idea, but they never openly talk about it. Which was part of the problem in HBP, IMO.

Hermione does not know any of this. She sees that Ron reacts somehow strongly towards Krum, but can´t say for sure what the reason is. And she has noone to ask. She would never go to Parvati or Lavender for advice, or tell them about it. She has to figure it out and decide how to react all on her own. Which was also part of the problem in HBP, IMO.

i dont know if this has been said but 11 pages is a lot to read through! i dont think harry really needs to see ron and hermione together as (knowing me and my best friend) i think ron would tell harry anyway! i think it would be great if they did it on the train so really the whole school would know then!

Ron would tell Harry, he'd have to know at some point. I see what you mean about the school knowing, but I doubt many would care to be honest, just because some people don't know them, or they're still emotionally wept out from the funeral.
Maby the girls from gryffindor would be exicted.:cool: well, with the exception of Lav-Lav :lol:
Besides, if on the train, the only people who'd really know would be who was with them at the time. :cool:

*Side note* Does anyone else wonder if it might be significant that our first big clue towards Ron/Hermione was the slug incident and Hermione invited Ron to a party for "The Slug Club"? I just noticed that. Rather odd coincidence.
hahahaha, that's a wierd coincidence :p

If they got together on the train though, the wedding would present a nice opportunity for them to sneak off and get some snogging done before their big mission and where no one will be paying attention to them!:love: ;)

haha! well, if only that would happen in real life lol! why can i never find someone like ron? :upset:

You just have to give it time. :)
sorry, lame advice.

Huh, I never thought about that slug thing. That's cute.


Aw, don't worry about it, Sweet16, you don't have to rush, you're still really young. Besides it's better to have friends! *hits Sweet16 over head* :D

That´s a good point. I think it is possible Parvati had an idea about Ron and Hermione around the time of the Yule Ball, and told Lavender about it, but when nothing happened during fourth year and fifth year, they thought they might have been wrong. And Lavender might have thought: I´ll give it a try.

That's kind of what I'm thinking. I don't think that Parvati knew before the ball. It still seems to me like she suggested Ron ask Hermione because she didn't think anybody else would ask Hermione - and staring at Hermione with "unflattering disbelief" when she showed up with Viktor seems to support that.

But Deevo made a good point about Padma. She witnessed the first part of their argument and it is likely that she worked out that Ron was jealous for herself. If that is the case, then it would also seem likely that she would discuss that with her twin - and probably complain quite a bit about Parvati setting the date up. ;)

I wonder about Lavender. Jo did set that up early on so it wasn't too surprising that Lavender was the one that Ron ended up dating. There was the bit in POA - during the Scabber-Crookshanks fight where Ron took Lavender's side when Hermione was trying to point out that Trelawney couldn't have predicted the death of her bunny. And there was the "Uranus" joke in GOF. Lavender's interest was a bit of a surprise - but it made sense when you consider that, at the end of OOTP, Ron had helped Gryffindor win the Quidditch cup and got quite a bit of attention because of what happened at the DoM.

But I think that - if Parvati and Lavender suspected in GOF - that they would have most likely decided they were wrong by the time HBP rolled around because nothing had happened between them yet. As Deevo said, Ron and Hermione were rushing into a relationship with all the speed of an arthritic snail on serepax. (I love that - too funny. :lol: )

Good catch. Maybe that´s just coincidence. Or it´s manifestation of JKR´s humour. :lol:

It just hit me while I was typing that response. I don't know if Jo intended there to be any connection - but it is a funny coincidence. I can just see Ron thinking - I puked slugs for her. Why shouldn't I be part of The Slug Club? :lol:


I added one more question in two parts.

Good questions. It will be interesting to see how many are answered in book 7. :)

I'm thinking that Hermione did tell Krum sometime in GOF - probably at the end. I just can't think of any other reason that Krum would look "surprised but gratified" when Ron asked for his autograph.

I agree. During the spat that led to the troll comment, Hermione still seemed to have hope Ron would ask her. She had not yet given up completely, that´s why she reacted so strong in the first place. I think, if she had alreay accepted Krum´s invitation, she wouldn´t have been so upset. Maybe the whole conversation would not have taken place at all.

Well, Ron still would have made that comment. But I agree that Hermione's reaction might have been different if she had already accepted Krum's invitation. I think that it was that comment that prompted her to accept Krum's invitation. Whether he had already asked her at that point is debatable, but I don't think she accepted until after Ron made the troll comment because that was when she decided that Ron was not going to ask her to the ball.

No, she wouldn´t. And, although Parvati and Lavender come across as the gossipy kind of girls, I somehow can´t imagine they would enmesh Hermione in a conversation about how cute she thinks her best friends are.

I can see them trying - at least early on. They do share a dorm and, prior to HBP, Hermione got along with both of them fairly well. She still gets along fairly well with Parvati. So I can see them trying to engage her in a conversation like that.

It's possible that something like that occurred around the time of the Yule Ball. When McGonagall announced the ball, Harry notes that Parvati and Lavender turn to look at him. So I could see them asking Hermione about Harry and Ron - asking if they had dates or if she knew who they were going to ask, etc... But I don't think Hermione would have been very forthcoming with them.

Ron was never able to hide his feelings much, being moody and sulky and such. But maybe it wasn´t always that easy for Hermione to figure out where it comes from. "Is he sulky because he is jealous? And if he is jealous, does it mean he fancies me? No, not possible. He´s all for pretty girls and I am not that pretty. No, he is just overprotective. He is just jealous because he thinks I have to be exclusively his and Harry´s friend. But he is reacting really strong. I have told him I´m only pen-pals with Viktor. Maybe...."
And so on. I think Harry had a better access to Ron´s real concerns because Ron asked him several times about Hermione´s possible love live (What does she see in Krum?, OotP; Did she really kiss Krum?, HBP; Does she really date McLaggen?, HBP). All this gives Harry an idea, but they never openly talk about it. Which was part of the problem in HBP, IMO.

Hermione does not know any of this. She sees that Ron reacts somehow strongly towards Krum, but can´t say for sure what the reason is. And she has noone to ask. She would never go to Parvati or Lavender for advice, or tell them about it. She has to figure it out and decide how to react all on her own. Which was also part of the problem in HBP, IMO.

That is exactly how I see it - especially Hermione's thoughts. Hermione saw that he was quick tempered and irrational about Krum, but she never heard Ron asking Harry what she saw in Krum, etc... She was left to work out Ron's reactions on her own. I think that was confusing for her - was he jealous because he fancied her or was he just being overprotective because he thinks of her like a sister?

I agree that a large part of the problem is that Hermione has not had anyone to talk about this stuff with. She's not very close with Ginny and she wouldn't want to put Harry in the middle or take the risk of him telling Ron. She's had to work all this out on her own. A lot of the mistakes that she made might have been avoided if she had someone to talk to about it - someone to give her advice.

We've got a lot of questions already. I thought of another one. :)


When did Ron realize that he fancied Hermione?
When did Hermione realize that she fancied Ron?
Did Hermione really snog Viktor Krum?
What was the third thing that Hermione smelled in the Amortentia potion?
What did Ron smell in the Amortentia potion?
Besides Harry, who else knows/suspects that they like each other?
What exactly was Lavender yelling at Ron?
What exactly did Ron feel after Ginny´s "Hermione snogged Krum comment?"
What exactly did Ron feel after Hermione´s comments after the Quidditch match?
When did Ron realize Hermione might fancy him back?
When did Hermione realize Ron might fancy her back?
When exactly did Krum ask Hermione to the Yule Ball?
When did Hermione accept Viktor's invitation - before or after Ron made the troll comment?
Does Krum know Hermione has feelings for Ron?
If Krum knows: When and how did Hermione tell him?
Did unrequited love and the resulting anger/depression have any affect on Ron and/or Hermione's abilities?

How about this:
Did you base the characters of Ron and Hermione off of two people you know?

How about this:
Did you base the characters of Ron and Hermione off of two people you know?
She said that Ron has a lot of the qualities of her best friend when she was growing up who owned a ford anglia and he represented freedom to her...or something like that. Hermione is based on her. I don't think she intentially based Ron on her best friend but it just happened that he ended up a lot like him.

Thanks, I obviously didn't know that, so thats interesting. :)

Yes, I heard something like that as well. She said the only person she intentionally based on a real person is Gilderoy Lockhart.

Thanks, I obviously didn't know that, so thats interesting. :)

Yeah, none of the characters were intentionally based off of a real person - except for Lockhart. But Ron ended up being very similar to her best friend, Sean - mostly in how he speaks and his sense of humor. Hermione is a lot like Jo was when she was younger. She's talked about that quite a bit.

You know, if you think about it. That makes a lot of sense. Ron and Hermione are a lot like her best friend and herself - she just changed it a bit and added romance to the equation. :)

Sorry to interrupt :D Well, I'm a bit more up to speed now with HBP and there's already a lot been said about them and where to go from here. Don't know what I could add? I just loved the part where Ron says "I love you, Hermione"! I couldn't believe he said that! Just like that! I think he really meant it too! I do hope we will finally get to see them kiss in the final book and they both just own up to their feelings!

That's kind of what I'm thinking. I don't think that Parvati knew before the ball. It still seems to me like she suggested Ron ask Hermione because she didn't think anybody else would ask Hermione - and staring at Hermione with "unflattering disbelief" when she showed up with Viktor seems to support that.

But Deevo made a good point about Padma. She witnessed the first part of their argument and it is likely that she worked out that Ron was jealous for herself. If that is the case, then it would also seem likely that she would discuss that with her twin - and probably complain quite a bit about Parvati setting the date up. ;)The "unflattering disbelief" could just mean a) is that pretty girl really Hermione Granger? Can Hermione really be pretty?, and b) Hermione Granger of all girls is the date of Viktor Krum who had all these fangirls going after him? :lol: But basically, I do agree. We can´t say for sure what Parvati knew before the Yule Ball, but from what Padme must have told her after the Ball, she would have drawn her own conclusions.

I wonder about Lavender. Jo did set that up early on so it wasn't too surprising that Lavender was the one that Ron ended up dating. There was the bit in POA - during the Scabber-Crookshanks fight where Ron took Lavender's side when Hermione was trying to point out that Trelawney couldn't have predicted the death of her bunny. And there was the "Uranus" joke in GOF. Lavender's interest was a bit of a surprise - but it made sense when you consider that, at the end of OOTP, Ron had helped Gryffindor win the Quidditch cup and got quite a bit of attention because of what happened at the DoM.It might have been a surprise that Lavender began showing interest in Ron, but that´s how these things happen. She knew Ron for years, he had always been just her classmate and, yes, well, Harry Potter´s best friend. And then suddenly, she realizes that he is quite cute, he is funny, and being a sports-star as well as his his semi-fame after fighting DEs at the DoM were definately no disadvantage. But you´re correct, the two have a kind of "history" so to say. And remember the infamous warning of Trelawney to Parvati (PoA?) "Beware of a red-headed man". Either she made a mistake and addressed the wrong girl, or it was a warning Parvati had to comfort a heart-broken friend one day. :lol:

I think, we should put that on our list. JKR has definately planned her pairings from the beginning. The question is, how detailed had she planned? I think she always planned for Ron and Hermione to finally get together in the last book. But had she planned from the beginning, or at least early on, that Ron had to have a girlfriend in book 6? Did she then decide this girlfriend would be Lavender and worked in the hints (rabbit, Uranus) or did she decide later and thought Lavender would be the most believable choice? Yeah, those are the things I´m really interested in. Writing process, you know? ;)
As Deevo said, Ron and Hermione were rushing into a relationship with all the speed of an arthritic snail on serepax. (I love that - too funny. :lol: )Or better an arthritic slug on serepax. (I guess that´s something similar to Valium). :lol:

I'm thinking that Hermione did tell Krum sometime in GOF - probably at the end. I just can't think of any other reason that Krum would look "surprised but gratified" when Ron asked for his autograph.At the latest she might have written it to him in one of her letters.

Well, Ron still would have made that comment. But I agree that Hermione's reaction might have been different if she had already accepted Krum's invitation. I think that it was that comment that prompted her to accept Krum's invitation. Whether he had already asked her at that point is debatable, but I don't think she accepted until after Ron made the troll comment because that was when she decided that Ron was not going to ask her to the ball. :agree:

Okay, a new question.


When did Ron realize that he fancied Hermione?
When did Hermione realize that she fancied Ron?
Did Hermione really snog Viktor Krum?
What was the third thing that Hermione smelled in the Amortentia potion?
What did Ron smell in the Amortentia potion?
Besides Harry, who else knows/suspects that they like each other?
What exactly was Lavender yelling at Ron?
What exactly did Ron feel after Ginny´s "Hermione snogged Krum comment?"
What exactly did Ron feel after Hermione´s comments after the Quidditch match?
When did Ron realize Hermione might fancy him back?
When did Hermione realize Ron might fancy her back?
When exactly did Krum ask Hermione to the Yule Ball?
When did Hermione accept Viktor's invitation - before or after Ron made the troll comment?
Does Krum know Hermione has feelings for Ron?
If Krum knows: When and how did Hermione tell him?
Did unrequited love and the resulting anger/depression have any affect on Ron and/or Hermione's abilities?
When did JKR decide Ron would have a girlfriend?
When did she decide this girlfriend would be Lavender?


She said that Ron has a lot of the qualities of her best friend when she was growing up who owned a ford anglia and he represented freedom to her...or something like that. Hermione is based on her. I don't think she intentially based Ron on her best friend but it just happened that he ended up a lot like him.Yes, and she dedicated "Chamber of Secrets" (the book not the forum :p ) to him.

Yes, I heard something like that as well. She said the only person she intentionally based on a real person is Gilderoy Lockhart.:scared: There is a person existing like Lockhart? I remember she mentioned that on the Richard and Judy Show. She doesn´t want to give away this person´s name, because she doesn´t want to destroy his life.

Sorry to interrupt :D Well, I'm a bit more up to speed now with HBP and there's already a lot been said about them and where to go from here. Don't know what I could add? I just loved the part where Ron says "I love you, Hermione"! I couldn't believe he said that! Just like that! I think he really meant it too! I do hope we will finally get to see them kiss in the final book and they both just own up to their feelings!That was more of a slip-up. I also think he gave away his feelings here. He just wanted to express his heartfelt thanks, and out came what his heart felt. :love:

:scared: There is a person existing like Lockhart? I remember she mentioned that on the Richard and Judy Show. She doesn´t want to give away this person´s name, because she doesn´t want to destroy his life.

I read it on her website where she says something about him being easy to recognize, he'll be the one saying he inspired the character of Albus Dumbledore!



lol But anyway, yeah, I adore the scene where Ron says "I love you, Hermione" too. It was meant as a joke obviously, but once it was said, we all knew he meant it. I think even Hermione may have known he meant it.

I so agree. I THOUGHT it would finally happen! then, well....:grumble: lol
I was soo excited! he meant it! he was saying how he really wanted to break up with Lav-Lav, and was looking at Hermione the entire time talking about it. :cool:
hey, how about this:
How come the trio never stayed at Hermione's house? If they did, what would occur?
I've always wondered this.

The "unflattering disbelief" could just mean a) is that pretty girl really Hermione Granger? Can Hermione really be pretty?, and b) Hermione Granger of all girls is the date of Viktor Krum who had all these fangirls going after him? :lol: But basically, I do agree. We can´t say for sure what Parvati knew before the Yule Ball, but from what Padme must have told her after the Ball, she would have drawn her own conclusions.

That's pretty much what I'm thinking - her shock at seeing Hermione looking pretty suggests to me that she didn't think Hermione could get a date. Parvati and Lavender have been shown to be rather shallow in that regard - curling their eyelashes with their wands, etc...

It might have been a surprise that Lavender began showing interest in Ron, but that´s how these things happen. She knew Ron for years, he had always been just her classmate and, yes, well, Harry Potter´s best friend. And then suddenly, she realizes that he is quite cute, he is funny, and being a sports-star as well as his his semi-fame after fighting DEs at the DoM were definately no disadvantage. But you´re correct, the two have a kind of "history" so to say. And remember the infamous warning of Trelawney to Parvati (PoA?) "Beware of a red-headed man". Either she made a mistake and addressed the wrong girl, or it was a warning Parvati had to comfort a heart-broken friend one day. :lol:

I remember thinking that before HBP came out - I don't recall if I actually posted it or not. But we discussed that on the Love Thread - that Ron was probably going to have some type of relationship with someone else before he got with Hermione. Everyone else had something so that seemed very likely. I wasn't expecting the snogfest - but it was fitting. But I remember thinking - at the time - that Lavender would be likely because of the bunny incident and the Uranus joke. Ron didn't have that kind of interaction with any of the other girls.

That's an interesting thought about Parvati. And it is fitting because, even though Parvati was not the one to go to the ball with Ron, she did set the date up with her twin sister. I can see her apologizing to Padma - "I'm so sorry! Professor Trelawney warned me to beware a red-haired man! I should have listened to her!" :lol:

I think, we should put that on our list. JKR has definately planned her pairings from the beginning. The question is, how detailed had she planned? I think she always planned for Ron and Hermione to finally get together in the last book. But had she planned from the beginning, or at least early on, that Ron had to have a girlfriend in book 6? Did she then decide this girlfriend would be Lavender and worked in the hints (rabbit, Uranus) or did she decide later and thought Lavender would be the most believable choice? Yeah, those are the things I´m really interested in. Writing process, you know? ;)

Me too - I love getting the background stories on how she came up with ideas - what ideas were discarded - and so on. It makes the books even more interesting. Like finding out the backstory on Dean. It will never be in the books, but it's interesting to know that and it gives his character more depth - even if that will never be shown on page.

At this point, I'm inclined to say that she planned it. Maybe not from the very beginning, but I would say by the time she was writing POA. That is when she started giving hints towards the romances. Harry started to develop a crush on Cho. There were more obvious clues about Ron/Hermione. There were a few clues towards Harry/Ginny. If she didn't have it planned out from the beginning, then she probably started planning things out there - and that's where the first "Lavender clue" appears.

Or better an arthritic slug on serepax. (I guess that´s something similar to Valium). :lol:

Deevo will have to answer that - I'm guessing that's something common in Australia because I've never heard of it myself. But, you're right, "slug" does seem to be more fitting. Still a hilarious comparison though. :lol:

At the latest she might have written it to him in one of her letters.

:agree: I've always wondered about that long letter to Viktor she was writing in OOTP - she wrote it in front of Ron and told him who it was too - but did not want him to see it. What was she writing? I wonder if her friendship with Viktor had progressed to the point where she felt comfortable in asking his advice - and if Viktor would have been comfortable with it at that point. Pure speculation, but it seems feasible - particularly considering that Hermione finally made a move of her own in HBP. Kind of makes you wonder if Viktor might have been the one to recommend that.

Yes, and she dedicated "Chamber of Secrets" (the book not the forum :p ) to him.

They did an interview together once. It was so cute. They're still very good friends. The Ford Anglia was inspired by Sean as well - that was his first car.

:scared: There is a person existing like Lockhart? I remember she mentioned that on the Richard and Judy Show. She doesn´t want to give away this person´s name, because she doesn´t want to destroy his life.

Yes, there really is a person like Lockhart. He's the one who would say that he inspired Dumbledore. :lol:

That was more of a slip-up. I also think he gave away his feelings here. He just wanted to express his heartfelt thanks, and out came what his heart felt. :love:

I agree. He was tired and vulnerable - to some extent. His relationship with Hermione had improved a great deal since he was poisoned - Hermione was being more open with him and they bickered a lot less. I think he meant to say "Thank you" but "I love you" slipped out instead.

I thought it was cute how he kept his face covered until after she responded. I can just see what he was thinking there. "Did I say that out loud? Merlin's beard! I did! She's going to hex me. She didn't! This could be good!" :lol:

Okay, a new question.


When did Ron realize that he fancied Hermione?
When did Hermione realize that she fancied Ron?
Did Hermione really snog Viktor Krum?
What was the third thing that Hermione smelled in the Amortentia potion?
What did Ron smell in the Amortentia potion?
Besides Harry, who else knows/suspects that they like each other?
What exactly was Lavender yelling at Ron?
What exactly did Ron feel after Ginny´s "Hermione snogged Krum comment?"
What exactly did Ron feel after Hermione´s comments after the Quidditch match?
When did Ron realize Hermione might fancy him back?
When did Hermione realize Ron might fancy her back?
When exactly did Krum ask Hermione to the Yule Ball?
When did Hermione accept Viktor's invitation - before or after Ron made the troll comment?
Does Krum know Hermione has feelings for Ron?
If Krum knows: When and how did Hermione tell him?
Did unrequited love and the resulting anger/depression have any affect on Ron and/or Hermione's abilities?
When did JKR decide Ron would have a girlfriend?
When did she decide this girlfriend would be Lavender?

Okay, a new question.


When did Ron realize that he fancied Hermione?
When did Hermione realize that she fancied Ron?
Did Hermione really snog Viktor Krum?
What was the third thing that Hermione smelled in the Amortentia potion?
What did Ron smell in the Amortentia potion?
Besides Harry, who else knows/suspects that they like each other?
What exactly was Lavender yelling at Ron?
What exactly did Ron feel after Ginny´s "Hermione snogged Krum comment?"
What exactly did Ron feel after Hermione´s comments after the Quidditch match?
When did Ron realize Hermione might fancy him back?
When did Hermione realize Ron might fancy her back?
When exactly did Krum ask Hermione to the Yule Ball?
When did Hermione accept Viktor's invitation - before or after Ron made the troll comment?
Does Krum know Hermione has feelings for Ron?
If Krum knows: When and how did Hermione tell him?
Did unrequited love and the resulting anger/depression have any affect on Ron and/or Hermione's abilities?
When did JKR decide Ron would have a girlfriend?
When did she decide this girlfriend would be Lavender?


How about this:


-Did Ron break up with Lavender, or did Lavender break up with him?

-If Lavender did, was it because she figured he liked Hermione, or because he was avoiding her? Or for another reason?

Compelling evidence...I'm not convinced R/hr will last, but it has to run it's course first...

How about a Christmas scene between those two? Kinda early but I'm already in the holiday mood :)

How about this:


-Did Ron break up with Lavender, or did Lavender break up with him?

-If Lavender did, was it because she figured he liked Hermione, or because he was avoiding her? Or for another reason?


I thought that Lavender did breakup with Ron. And I think she broke up with him during the incident when Harry took the luck potion, and he had he had his invisibility cloak on, and Lavender only saw Ron and Hermione together and not Harry with them, and she thought that Ron and Hermione had a relationship, so she broke up with him.

they have liked each other from the begging

If you say so...:p

I thought that Lavender did breakup with Ron. And I think she broke up with him during the incident when Harry took the luck potion, and he had he had his invisibility cloak on, and Lavender only saw Ron and Hermione together and not Harry with them, and she thought that Ron and Hermione had a relationship, so she broke up with him.

I kind of think she did too, but since Ron really never said that she broke up with him, and instead said "WE" broke up, I wanted to know who really broke up with who. For all I know Ron could have finally spoke up and said, "look, we need to talk...." and gone from then. :)

I kind of think she did too, but since Ron really never said that she broke up with him, and instead said "WE" broke up, I wanted to know who really broke up with who. For all I know Ron could have finally spoke up and said, "look, we need to talk...." and gone from then. :)

Actually, he did - sort of.

“We split up,” he told Harry out of the corner of his mouth, “Last night. When she saw me coming out of the dormitory with Hermione. Obviously she couldn’t see you, so she thought it had just been the two of us.”

“Ah,” said Harry. “Well — you don’t mind it’s over, do you?”

“No,” Ron admitted. “It was pretty bad while she was yelling, but at least I didn’t have to finish it.”

“Coward,” said Hermione, though she looked amused.

Lavender broke up with Ron - and he was relieved that he didn't have to do it. ;)

In light of that - I changed the Lavender question to reflect that. :)



When did Ron realize that he fancied Hermione?
When did Hermione realize that she fancied Ron?
Did Hermione really snog Viktor Krum?
What was the third thing that Hermione smelled in the Amortentia potion?
What did Ron smell in the Amortentia potion?
Besides Harry, who else knows/suspects that they like each other?
What exactly was Lavender yelling at Ron when she broke up with him?
What exactly did Ron feel after Ginny´s "Hermione snogged Krum comment?"
What exactly did Ron feel after Hermione´s comments after the Quidditch match?
When did Ron realize Hermione might fancy him back?
When did Hermione realize Ron might fancy her back?
When exactly did Krum ask Hermione to the Yule Ball?
When did Hermione accept Viktor's invitation - before or after Ron made the troll comment?
Does Krum know Hermione has feelings for Ron?
If Krum knows: When and how did Hermione tell him?
Did unrequited love and the resulting anger/depression have any affect on Ron and/or Hermione's abilities?
When did JKR decide Ron would have a girlfriend?
When did she decide this girlfriend would be Lavender?

I kind of think she did too, but since Ron really never said that she broke up with him, and instead said "WE" broke up, I wanted to know who really broke up with who. For all I know Ron could have finally spoke up and said, "look, we need to talk...." and gone from then. :)I've always thought it was just Lavendar after Ron gave her nothing in return after all her shouting. It's the way he wanted it and since Hermione called him a coward, I think perhaps he did allow Lavendar to go all the way.

I really like the Question list! Good idea. I can't really think of anything to add now but I'm sure I will later.

ETA: Maybe: Did the "I love you" slip out or was it deliberately said to get a reaction from Hermione? I've always thought slipped out but I've heard others saying otherwise.

Cheers :tu:

Actually, he did - sort of.

“We split up,” he told Harry out of the corner of his mouth, “Last night. When she saw me coming out of the dormitory with Hermione. Obviously she couldn’t see you, so she thought it had just been the two of us.”

“Ah,” said Harry. “Well — you don’t mind it’s over, do you?”

“No,” Ron admitted. “It was pretty bad while she was yelling, but at least I didn’t have to finish it.”

“Coward,” said Hermione, though she looked amused.

Lavender broke up with Ron - and he was relieved that he didn't have to do it. ;)

In light of that - I changed the Lavender question to reflect that. :)



When did Ron realize that he fancied Hermione?
When did Hermione realize that she fancied Ron?
Did Hermione really snog Viktor Krum?
What was the third thing that Hermione smelled in the Amortentia potion?
What did Ron smell in the Amortentia potion?
Besides Harry, who else knows/suspects that they like each other?
What exactly was Lavender yelling at Ron when she broke up with him?
What exactly did Ron feel after Ginny´s "Hermione snogged Krum comment?"
What exactly did Ron feel after Hermione´s comments after the Quidditch match?
When did Ron realize Hermione might fancy him back?
When did Hermione realize Ron might fancy her back?
When exactly did Krum ask Hermione to the Yule Ball?
When did Hermione accept Viktor's invitation - before or after Ron made the troll comment?
Does Krum know Hermione has feelings for Ron?
If Krum knows: When and how did Hermione tell him?
Did unrequited love and the resulting anger/depression have any affect on Ron and/or Hermione's abilities?
When did JKR decide Ron would have a girlfriend?
When did she decide this girlfriend would be Lavender?


Well, I do agree that Ron was happy that it was over (as was Hermione! :D). And I have always speculated that Lavender was yelling at Ron about hanging out with Hermione, and about a relationship between the two of them. And although Ron never cheated on Lavender--she was right, he did have feelings for Hermione, and vice versa.

Well, I do agree that Ron was happy that it was over (as was Hermione! :D). And I have always speculated that Lavender was yelling at Ron about hanging out with Hermione, and about a relationship between the two of them. And although Ron never cheated on Lavender--she was right, he did have feelings for Hermione, and vice versa.

I think that was the gist of it. Lavender started showing jealousy towards Hermione after Ron was poisoned and they made up. She was very bitter about the fact that they were friends again. I would say that, by that point, Lavender knew that Ron had feelings for Hermione and did everything she could to hold on to him - hence the comparison to the giant squid. I'm sure she figured out that Ron starting to avoid her coincided with his making up with Hermione. Seeing them come down from the boys' dormitory together (and not seeing Harry) only cemented her fears.

I would love to know the details of that though. It's obvious that Lavender was upset over him being up in his dormitory with Hermione, but was that all? Did she yell at him for avoiding her? Did she go so far as to accuse him of cheating? How did Ron react - did he defend himself - did he defend Hermione? Ooh! More questions for the list! :D


When did Ron realize that he fancied Hermione?
When did Hermione realize that she fancied Ron?
Did Hermione really snog Viktor Krum?
What was the third thing that Hermione smelled in the Amortentia potion?
What did Ron smell in the Amortentia potion?
Besides Harry, who else knows/suspects that they like each other?
What exactly was Lavender yelling at Ron when she broke up with him?
How did Ron react to Lavender yelling at him - did he defend himself - did he defend Hermione?
What exactly did Ron feel after Ginny´s "Hermione snogged Krum comment?"
What exactly did Ron feel after Hermione´s comments after the Quidditch match?
When did Ron realize Hermione might fancy him back?
When did Hermione realize Ron might fancy her back?
When exactly did Krum ask Hermione to the Yule Ball?
When did Hermione accept Viktor's invitation - before or after Ron made the troll comment?
Does Krum know Hermione has feelings for Ron?
If Krum knows: When and how did Hermione tell him?
Did unrequited love and the resulting anger/depression have any affect on Ron and/or Hermione's abilities?
When did JKR decide Ron would have a girlfriend?
When did she decide this girlfriend would be Lavender?

I would love to know the details of that though. It's obvious that Lavender was upset over him being up in his dormitory with Hermione, but was that all? Did she yell at him for avoiding her? Did she go so far as to accuse him of cheating? How did Ron react - did he defend himself - did he defend Hermione? Ooh! More questions for the list!

that was part of my one question:
If Lavender did, was it because she figured he liked Hermione, or because he was avoiding her? Or for another reason?
I thought the same thing. Maby she wasn't breaking up because of hermy, though that was the main reason, It could have been for the avoiding. the cheating is a good guess, because he was avoiding her then she saw them together.Even if not that reason, she knew he liked her, just judging from the "You're making it snow." incident.
yes, add that to the list! Now, I'm curious lol :D
Thanks for pointing out my mistake earlier, It's been a LONG TIME since I've read the books. I'm rereading them after I'm done with the other book i'm on:cool:

that was part of my one question:

I thought the same thing. Maby she wasn't breaking up because of hermy, though that was the main reason, It could have been for the avoiding. the cheating is a good guess, because he was avoiding her then she saw them together.Even if not that reason, she knew he liked her, just judging from the "You're making it snow." incident.
yes, add that to the list! Now, I'm curious lol :D
Thanks for pointing out my mistake earlier, It's been a LONG TIME since I've read the books. I'm rereading them after I'm done with the other book i'm on:cool:

I think it was a combination. It does appear that she figured out that Ron had feelings for Hermione - and vice versa - because her reaction to Hermione visiting him in the hospital wing after he was poisoned.

If you look at the order of events, it really shouldn't have been difficult for Lavender to figure it out. Ron's "enthusiasm" dropped after Christmas. He stopped spending so much time with Lavender - the public snogging decreased. It was apparent that he was losing interest.

After he was poisoned, he was "asleep" every time she went to see him. Now, Lavender does not come across as very intelligent, but I don't think it would have been difficult for her to work out that it was impossible for him to be asleep every time she was there - especially after Harry told her that Ron was awake when he visited.

From that point, the avoiding starts - Ron literally hides from her. He is spending almost no time with Lavender at all - and ducking for cover every time a female comes near just in case it might be Lavender. That's an anvil-sized clue right there - no way she missed that.

Lavender can pinpoint the majority of it to Ron and Hermione making up and becoming friends again - and I would say that she figured out that they had feelings for each other early on. Hermione's reaction to them starting to date - Ron's reaction to Hermione - and so on.

Basically, it all came back to the same thing - that Ron and Hermione had feelings for each other - but I would say that Lavender breaking up with Ron was the result of the combination of everything that was going on.

That was more of a slip-up. I also think he gave away his feelings here. He just wanted to express his heartfelt thanks, and out came what his heart felt. :love:

But wasn't it a wonderful slip-up? After that, they seemed much more friendlier and understanding with each other :love:

I remember thinking that before HBP came out - I don't recall if I actually posted it or not. But we discussed that on the Love Thread - that Ron was probably going to have some type of relationship with someone else before he got with Hermione. Everyone else had something so that seemed very likely. I wasn't expecting the snogfest - but it was fitting. But I remember thinking - at the time - that Lavender would be likely because of the bunny incident and the Uranus joke. Ron didn't have that kind of interaction with any of the other girls.Ron had interaction with Luna. But Luna never was an option, because she was to become a too important character. Lavender is completely out of the picture by now. I don´t even recall what happened to her by the end of HBP. Was she one of the students who were taken out of school after Dumbledore died? Was she at the funeral?

That's an interesting thought about Parvati. And it is fitting because, even though Parvati was not the one to go to the ball with Ron, she did set the date up with her twin sister. I can see her apologizing to Padma - "I'm so sorry! Professor Trelawney warned me to beware a red-haired man! I should have listened to her!" :lol:Yes, although, I was more thinking about Parvati having to comfort Lavender. Come to think of it: Trelawney did indeed address the right person. Parvati´s sister and her best friend had some trouble with Ron.

Me too - I love getting the background stories on how she came up with ideas - what ideas were discarded - and so on. It makes the books even more interesting. Like finding out the backstory on Dean. It will never be in the books, but it's interesting to know that and it gives his character more depth - even if that will never be shown on page.She should give us a book with all those backstories and additional information sometime. It would be interesting to re-read the HP series with that in mind.

At this point, I'm inclined to say that she planned it. Maybe not from the very beginning, but I would say by the time she was writing POA. That is when she started giving hints towards the romances. Harry started to develop a crush on Cho. There were more obvious clues about Ron/Hermione. There were a few clues towards Harry/Ginny. If she didn't have it planned out from the beginning, then she probably started planning things out there - and that's where the first "Lavender clue" appears.That sounds reasonable. JKR could have taken some random girl from another year or House, but this way it works better. And she was able to work in some "hints" early on.

:agree: I've always wondered about that long letter to Viktor she was writing in OOTP - she wrote it in front of Ron and told him who it was too - but did not want him to see it. What was she writing? I wonder if her friendship with Viktor had progressed to the point where she felt comfortable in asking his advice - and if Viktor would have been comfortable with it at that point. Pure speculation, but it seems feasible - particularly considering that Hermione finally made a move of her own in HBP. Kind of makes you wonder if Viktor might have been the one to recommend that.That´s another question. Did Hermione ask Krum for advice? I somehow don´t see that, to be honest. Krum was not only a friend, he has had deeper feelings for her and even if these feelings had subsided by Christmastime in OotP (or later), it would be very akward for Hermione to ask him for advice. And would she write a letter in which she asks Krum about Ron infront of Ron? Wouldn´t she write at least such a letter in private? I think in writing the letter infront of Ron, Hermione wanted to make a point. She knew he would ask, he couldn´t really ignore such a long letter, could he? She wanted to make clear that she and Krum were only friends and that there was nothing more to it. Maybe she hoped for some definate reaction from Ron, but she seemed to be exasperated when he implied she and Krum were more than friends.

Yes, there really is a person like Lockhart. He's the one who would say that he inspired Dumbledore. :lol::rotfl:

I thought it was cute how he kept his face covered until after she responded. I can just see what he was thinking there. "Did I say that out loud? Merlin's beard! I did! She's going to hex me. She didn't! This could be good!" :lol:Aww, so sweet. :love: This reaction shows that he had given away his true feelings there. If it was just meant as a simple thanks, he wouldn´t have reacted at all.

Okay, a new question.


When did Ron realize that he fancied Hermione?
When did Hermione realize that she fancied Ron?
Did Hermione really snog Viktor Krum?
What was the third thing that Hermione smelled in the Amortentia potion?
What did Ron smell in the Amortentia potion?
Besides Harry, who else knows/suspects that they like each other?
What exactly was Lavender yelling at Ron?
What exactly did Ron feel after Ginny´s "Hermione snogged Krum comment?"
What exactly did Ron feel after Hermione´s comments after the Quidditch match?
When did Ron realize Hermione might fancy him back?
When did Hermione realize Ron might fancy her back?
When exactly did Krum ask Hermione to the Yule Ball?
When did Hermione accept Viktor's invitation - before or after Ron made the troll comment?
Does Krum know Hermione has feelings for Ron?
If Krum knows: When and how did Hermione tell him?
Did unrequited love and the resulting anger/depression have any affect on Ron and/or Hermione's abilities?
When did JKR decide Ron would have a girlfriend?
When did she decide this girlfriend would be Lavender?
Did Hermione ask Krum for advice?


But wasn't it a wonderful slip-up? After that, they seemed much more friendlier and understanding with each other :love:Yes, it was wonderful. Definately one of my favourite moments between them. But I think they were already friendlier and understanding before that. It started after Ron´s poisoning, when they made up.


I thought the same thing. Maby she wasn't breaking up because of hermy, though that was the main reason, It could have been for the avoiding. the cheating is a good guess, because he was avoiding her then she saw them together.As meesha said, it is a combination of all this. She sensed Ron had lost interest after Christmas break, and after he made up with Hermione he almost completely tried to avoid her. She must have put two and two together and when Ron and Hermione (and the invisible Harry) came down the stairs from the boy´s dormitories it was the last straw.

Even if not that reason, she knew he liked her, just judging from the "You're making it snow." incident.But that was the day after Ron and Lavender broke up. Or, I should better say, Lavender broke up with Ron (coward :p ).

What I found interesting is this part: “We split up,” he told Harry out of the corner of his mouth,

He tells Harry, not Harry and Hermione, so Hermione obviously already knows. It´s not in the text, if I recall correctly, but I always envisioned that Hermione retreated when Lavender began shouting. That would be another interesting question. Did she witness the whole break-up? And, if not, did Ron tell her? Or did she overhear Lavender and Parvati in the dorm?

That's interesting, Ronjalina, I always pictured it as kind of, well first of all, a lengthy breakup, probably involving about a half hour of shouting, but I pictured Hermoine there the whole time, probably being verbally attacked by Lavendar a few times when Lavendar wasn't busy yelling at Ron.

I think the question of whether Ron defended himself and Hermione is a very good one! :agree: I also wonder if Hermione defended him at all. Or really if Hermione took part in the shouting conversation, and if Lavendar did verbally attack Hermione at all.

Ron had interaction with Luna. But Luna never was an option, because she was to become a too important character. Lavender is completely out of the picture by now. I don´t even recall what happened to her by the end of HBP. Was she one of the students who were taken out of school after Dumbledore died? Was she at the funeral?

Well, Ron's interaction with Luna was more of a :huh: in OOTP - not really a big romantic clue. :lol: I figured Lavender was more likely because it seemed more like flirting - 13 year old boy flirting, but flirting. ;)

Lavender kind of disappeared there at the end. Harry didn't mention if she left or if she was at the funeral or anything. But that's a good point - Luna wasn't an option because she'll be around later on - and that would be really awkward.

Yes, although, I was more thinking about Parvati having to comfort Lavender. Come to think of it: Trelawney did indeed address the right person. Parvati´s sister and her best friend had some trouble with Ron.

That's true - Ron did cause her to have to do a lot of comforting. :lol:

She should give us a book with all those backstories and additional information sometime. It would be interesting to re-read the HP series with that in mind.

She has mentioned doing an encyclopedia after the books are finished - I'm hoping that's what that would be - the back stories, character backgrounds, etc... It would give us a whole new perception on the series when re-reading.

That sounds reasonable. JKR could have taken some random girl from another year or House, but this way it works better. And she was able to work in some "hints" early on.

Exactly. :agree:

That´s another question. Did Hermione ask Krum for advice? I somehow don´t see that, to be honest. Krum was not only a friend, he has had deeper feelings for her and even if these feelings had subsided by Christmastime in OotP (or later), it would be very akward for Hermione to ask him for advice. And would she write a letter in which she asks Krum about Ron infront of Ron? Wouldn´t she write at least such a letter in private? I think in writing the letter infront of Ron, Hermione wanted to make a point. She knew he would ask, he couldn´t really ignore such a long letter, could he? She wanted to make clear that she and Krum were only friends and that there was nothing more to it. Maybe she hoped for some definate reaction from Ron, but she seemed to be exasperated when he implied she and Krum were more than friends.

That's where I go back and forth. I think Viktor's feelings for Hermione were increased by her lack of interest. He had all those fangirls following him around and giggling - asking for autographs. Hermione wasn't interested - didn't follow him, giggle, or ask for autographs. I think that just made him even more interested. He could have had almost anyone he wanted - except Hermione.

Because of that, I think it is likely that their friendship progressed to the point where she could ask advice. Eventually, he would have realized that it wasn't Hermione, but the fact that she wasn't a fangirl that he was attracted to. In that event, I could see him being willing to give Hermione advice.

What really makes me go back and forth is that it doesn't really seem like Hermione got any advice - or had anyone to talk to. The only thing that makes me wonder is her inviting Ron to the party. Somehow, it seems that she was advised to do that - I'm not sure why, but it seems that way to me.

Aww, so sweet. :love: This reaction shows that he had given away his true feelings there. If it was just meant as a simple thanks, he wouldn´t have reacted at all.

Definitely. :love:

He tells Harry, not Harry and Hermione, so Hermione obviously already knows. It´s not in the text, if I recall correctly, but I always envisioned that Hermione retreated when Lavender began shouting. That would be another interesting question. Did she witness the whole break-up? And, if not, did Ron tell her? Or did she overhear Lavender and Parvati in the dorm?

Those are good questions too. I have wondered how Hermione handled that - did she stay in the common room or go to her dorm? If she left - how did she find out? Did she hide out on the girls staircase listening - did Ron tell her - or did she overhear Lavender and Parvati? If Ron told her - or she heard Lavender and Parvati - does she know all the details? I'll add them to the list.

Okay, new questions.


When did Ron realize that he fancied Hermione?
When did Hermione realize that she fancied Ron?
Did Hermione really snog Viktor Krum?
What was the third thing that Hermione smelled in the Amortentia potion?
What did Ron smell in the Amortentia potion?
Besides Harry, who else knows/suspects that they like each other?
What exactly was Lavender yelling at Ron?
What exactly did Ron feel after Ginny´s "Hermione snogged Krum comment?"
What exactly did Ron feel after Hermione´s comments after the Quidditch match?
When did Ron realize Hermione might fancy him back?
When did Hermione realize Ron might fancy her back?
When exactly did Krum ask Hermione to the Yule Ball?
When did Hermione accept Viktor's invitation - before or after Ron made the troll comment?
Does Krum know Hermione has feelings for Ron?
If Krum knows: When and how did Hermione tell him?
Did unrequited love and the resulting anger/depression have any affect on Ron and/or Hermione's abilities?
When did JKR decide Ron would have a girlfriend?
When did she decide this girlfriend would be Lavender?
Did Hermione ask Krum for advice?
Did Hermione stay in the common room or leave when Lavender broke up with Ron?
If she left, how did she find out what happened? Eavesdropping, Ron told her, or she heard Lavender and Parvati later?

She might have, but I have a doubt. I don't think Hermy wasn't there the whole time,I think she just left. Ron was telling her how they broke up, and she was just so happy. But I'm now thinking this:
Lavender started to yell at Ron and Hermione and then targets Hermione.
Ron then defends Hermione saying thats his friend shes yelling at.
Lavender says some other comment like "of course, she's only your friend!" then walks off.
Ron then follows Lavender, finally thinking that the break up had to be done.
Lavender sees Ron and yells at him, saying something like "how could you?" or "Oh, so now you dont want to avoid me?
Ron starts to explain to her in a nicer way that they should break up, Lavender interrupts, becomes dramatic.
"Ron were through!" starts to walk away. "why dont you go back to your "friend?" she's obviously waiting for you!! Why don't you two just get together? I see you stare at her!"
something along the lines of her admitting she figured it out.
Ron stands
relived, he walks away.
:D
I'm very dramatic. lol

Lol, very nice scenario, Potterposse! lol

But actually like... I think it was Meesha, said, he wasn't telling Hermione that they broke up, he was telling Harry. Hermione seemed like she already knew to me, the way she backed off looking guilty after grabbing Ron's arm and seeing Lavendar's reaction seemed like an indication that she felt guilty for hurting Lavendar, which would mean she knew that she was the reason they broke up.

And I don't see Ron saying anything about having to break up with the way he had been acting, and he acted afterward. I think if he had to even mention that he thought they should break up, he wouldn't have been so relieved that he "didn't have to finish it."

Well, either way, it was sweet! :love: :lol:

I have always seem Hermione retreating to her dorm after it because clear what was going to happen (I believe that she started out with "What were you doing up there with her" and why it was going to happen. I also wonder if after the yelling match when Lavender left for the girls' dorm, she found Hermione and then proceded to tell Hermione what she thought about her. That would have certianly accounted for the guilty look Hermione got when she grabbed Ron's arm.

Thats a good possibility. Hey, do you think Lavender (if Hermione shares a dorm w/her) knew beforehand that Hermione had an interest to Ron? if she did think this, she probably thought little of it because she may have assumed that if she liked him she allready would have made her move, or when if she knew and just did it anyway? that would be harsh, but there are girls like that. Or do you think that she found out afterwards? What do you think?
-I doubt she knew beforehand, but it's a really good possibility.
actually, now I'm not sure!

I think that Parvati probably had her suspicions from things Padma may have told her, and she probably would have told Lavendar, especially after Lavendar started showing an interest in Ron. It seemed to me that Lavendar suspected from the beginning of HBP at least that Hermine had feelings for Ron, in which case, I think she kind of got what was coming to her.

But maybe we should add that to the list of Jo-questions: How long did Lavendar know that Ron and Hermione had feelins for each other?

Yes, I think we should! lol
It just came to me, I thought about it, but it would be harsh of her. Though she could have thought the she never made her move theory.

I do think that Lavender knew that Hermione liked Ron. I also think that she knew she was competing for his favor and loosing until the 'Hermione snogged Krum' inciedent. During the Quidditch tryouts, the first time someone yells for Ron, it is Lavendar. Then next time is Hermione, and Harry sees Lavender walking off with Parvati looking grumpy. I think there are a few more instances where we see Lavender irritated that Hermione tends to 'win' the attention contest. I also think that is why she blew up so much when she saw them coming down with invisible Harry from the dorm; she had already been insecure about Ron's relationship with Hermione and now that Ron was avoiding her she assumed that it must be because of Hermione. Not that it wasn't because no one in their right mind would want to be called Won-won...but that's neither here nor there, so...

basically it's just a GIRL FIGHT over a BOY!!!
Hermione Granger vs. Lavender Brown!!!!!
lol, reminds me of the movie "Mean Girls" has anyone seen it on this thread?

Well, by that point Lavendar definitely suspected something, although when I think about if I had a boyfriend and I caught him sneaking out of his empty bedroom with a girl, he'd have some explaining to do. And especially since Lavendar was insecure about their relationship already, and he was caught with the very girl she suspected he had feelings for, I don't actually blame her for blowing up, I think it was a quite reasonable reaction. I mean, I don't like Lavendar, but she really liked Ron. Putting myself in her position I think I'd react the same way.


Lol, Yeah, Mean Girls. I can see Hermione pouncing on Lavendar like a tiger, Like Cady dreams of doing to Regina when she's going out with Aaron.

I do think that Lavender knew that Hermione liked Ron. I also think that she knew she was competing for his favor and loosing until the 'Hermione snogged Krum' inciedent. During the Quidditch tryouts, the first time someone yells for Ron, it is Lavendar. Then next time is Hermione, and Harry sees Lavender walking off with Parvati looking grumpy. I think there are a few more instances where we see Lavender irritated that Hermione tends to 'win' the attention contest. I also think that is why she blew up so much when she saw them coming down with invisible Harry from the dorm; she had already been insecure about Ron's relationship with Hermione and now that Ron was avoiding her she assumed that it must be because of Hermione. Not that it wasn't because no one in their right mind would want to be called Won-won...but that's neither here nor there, so...

You make a good point here, Lavender does seem to be fighting for rons attention with Hermione, so i think it entirely possible that she did suspect something, which in turn most likely led Parvati to belive there was something there too.

But perhaps they suspected nothing up until this point. But i wonder what really set them off to it..?

Again, I think Parvati's suspicion came first. Probably through her sister, who would have gotten a clue from Ron's behavior at the ball.

perhaps...but then again, padma could have just been mad that ron wasn't dancing with her..

But i think your idea is much more plausible.

Well, by that point Lavendar definitely suspected something, although when I think about if I had a boyfriend and I caught him sneaking out of his empty bedroom with a girl, he'd have some explaining to do. And especially since Lavendar was insecure about their relationship already, and he was caught with the very girl she suspected he had feelings for, I don't actually blame her for blowing up, I think it was a quite reasonable reaction. I mean, I don't like Lavendar, but she really liked Ron. Putting myself in her position I think I'd react the same way.

Understandable to a certain extent - but that's where Lavender made her big mistake. Realizing that Ron had feelings for Hermione caused her to cling tighter - which only made him more eager for it to end. Ron starting to avoid her should have told her that it was over.

Lol, Yeah, Mean Girls. I can see Hermione pouncing on Lavendar like a tiger, Like Cady dreams of doing to Regina when she's going out with Aaron.

:lol: Lavender should probably be grateful that she still has all the right body parts in all the right places - no permanent marks across her face (ala Marietta) - and nothing weird growing out of her head. :evil:

Understandable to a certain extent - but that's where Lavender made her big mistake. Realizing that Ron had feelings for Hermione caused her to cling tighter - which only made him more eager for it to end. Ron starting to avoid her should have told her that it was over.

:agree: Yes, but... I don't know, this sounds wierd, but I prefer to be dumped properly. It's not like he told her how he felt and she still tried to cling to him. She knew how he felt but there would have been a chance, in her eyes, that she as wrong. Ich, I'm defending Lav-Lav!! *washes mouth out with soap*



:lol: Lavender should probably be grateful that she still has all the right body parts in all the right places - no permanent marks across her face (ala Marietta) - and nothing weird growing out of her head. :evil:


Yeah, you know, that's a little odd. I can understand saving the canaries for special occasions, but I mean, Lavendar didn't even get a little angry hummingbird.


You know, I just noticed that, when Hermione and Viktor started going out Ron seemed more angry at Viktor than at Hermione (though he was mad at her too) And when Harry saw Ginny and Dean kissing he seemed angry at Dean, but Hermione directed her anger at Ron. Not Lavendar.

Was she at the funeral?

Don't know, I'm not that far yet :(

She should give us a book with all those backstories and additional information sometime. It would be interesting to re-read the HP series with that in mind.

I hope she will! It would sort of be a HP 8! :tu:

That´s another question. Did Hermione ask Krum for advice? I somehow don´t see that, to be honest. Krum was not only a friend, he has had deeper feelings for her and even if these feelings had subsided by Christmastime in OotP (or later), it would be very akward for Hermione to ask him for advice.

I don't think she ever asked him for advise. Somehow Krum doesn't seem the type to give advise. I think she told him she only wanted to be friends.


Yes, it was wonderful. Definately one of my favourite moments between them. But I think they were already friendlier and understanding before that. It started after Ron´s poisoning, when they made up.

Yes, that's true! It made her very quiet! She obviously had a lot of time to think about the way she or how they ( Ron and Hermione) behaved for so long! Guess she realised she could lose him.


But that was the day after Ron and Lavender broke up. Or, I should better say, Lavender broke up with Ron (coward :p ).

That's what Hermione called him, and secretly she was glad, otherwise she wouldn't hae smiled ;)

:agree: Yes, but... I don't know, this sounds wierd, but I prefer to be dumped properly. It's not like he told her how he felt and she still tried to cling to him. She knew how he felt but there would have been a chance, in her eyes, that she as wrong. Ich, I'm defending Lav-Lav!! *washes mouth out with soap*

Oh, I do think that Ron should have just broken up with her and been done with it. But I also see why he didn't want to do it himself. It was his fault and there was no way he could do it without hurting Lavender. I think he was trying to find a way to end it without Hermione coming into it. Better for Lavender to dump him for ignoring her than to hurt Lavender even further by telling her that he only went out with her because he didn't think Hermione would ever have feelings for him.

Life lessons - not always fun. :sigh:

Yeah, you know, that's a little odd. I can understand saving the canaries for special occasions, but I mean, Lavendar didn't even get a little angry hummingbird.

You know, I just noticed that, when Hermione and Viktor started going out Ron seemed more angry at Viktor than at Hermione (though he was mad at her too) And when Harry saw Ginny and Dean kissing he seemed angry at Dean, but Hermione directed her anger at Ron. Not Lavendar.

It's not really that strange if you think about it. Hermione had already agreed to go to the ball with Viktor when Ron asked her - there was no rejection - Viktor beat him to the punch. Harry hadn't even considered Ginny in a romantic light until that moment - he hadn't asked her out or anything at that point. Dean had been her boyfriend for several months.

Hermione asked Ron to Slughorn's party and Ron accepted. She thought they were finally progressing in their relationship. She doesn't know about the argument with Ginny - or what Ginny told Ron. From her point of view, Ron was just mad at her one day and the next thing she knows, he's snogging Lavender in the middle of the common room. It was a rejection and she put the blame squarely on Ron.

I think there was some bitterness and resentment towards Lavender, but I would say that Hermione didn't really blame her. In the end, she realized that Lavender was going to get hurt.

I think that's what it boils down to. Lavender deserved some sympathy because she didn't really do anything wrong. She was annoyingly obsessive and clingy, but she was just caught in the middle.

Oh, I do think that Ron should have just broken up with her and been done with it. But I also see why he didn't want to do it himself. It was his fault and there was no way he could do it without hurting Lavender. I think he was trying to find a way to end it without Hermione coming into it. Better for Lavender to dump him for ignoring her than to hurt Lavender even further by telling her that he only went out with her because he didn't think Hermione would ever have feelings for him.

Life lessons - not always fun. :sigh:

:agree: You could only hide something for so long, it only makes things worse.

Hermione asked Ron to Slughorn's party and Ron accepted. She thought they were finally progressing in their relationship. She doesn't know about the argument with Ginny - or what Ginny told Ron. From her point of view, Ron was just mad at her one day and the next thing she knows, he's snogging Lavender in the middle of the common room. It was a rejection and she put the blame squarely on Ron.

This really reminds me of the part in mean girls when Regins kissed Cady's "man"
poor Hermy. :sigh: Lavender I think sort of knew, if she did, She is a lot like Regina in the ways of being mean. Though, again, she probably thought that if Hermione liked him, she would have allready made her move.

I think there was some bitterness and resentment towards Lavender, but I would say that Hermione didn't really blame her. In the end, she realized that Lavender was going to get hurt.

That's the nice thing about Hermione, she KNEW it wouldn't last and allowed it!!!!!lol
Not very nice, but Hermione I think realized that Ron needed to realize Lavender wasn't for him.


I think that's what it boils down to. Lavender deserved some sympathy because she didn't really do anything wrong. She was annoyingly obsessive and clingy, but she was just caught in the middle.

Well, Maby Hermione tried to show sympathy, but Lavender didn't take it. :shrug:
Well, thats what Pavarti is there for. :lol:

Oh, I do think that Ron should have just broken up with her and been done with it. But I also see why he didn't want to do it himself. It was his fault and there was no way he could do it without hurting Lavender. I think he was trying to find a way to end it without Hermione coming into it. Better for Lavender to dump him for ignoring her than to hurt Lavender even further by telling her that he only went out with her because he didn't think Hermione would ever have feelings for him.

Life lessons - not always fun. :sigh:



Oh I understand, too. Hurting people is not fun, but still I mean, I can't really blame Lavendar. I don't think she should have gotten involved in the first place, since I think she already suspected by that point that he cared for Hermione, but really the only problem was it wasn't meant to be. He just didn't love her and, though she should have let go sooner, he also could have done something about it sooner. They were equally at fault.

Huh, I never thought about that slug thing. That's cute.


Aw, don't worry about it, Sweet16, you don't have to rush, you're still really young. Besides it's better to have friends! *hits Sweet16 over head* :D

*ouch* that hurt :lol: well, i don't think that ron really wanted to go with lavender in the first place, and he only did because he was trying to make hermione jelous(which worked as she sent a flock of canaries at him) and hermione only went out with cormac for exactly the same reason!

Well, Ron's interaction with Luna was more of a :huh: in OOTP - not really a big romantic clue. :lol: I figured Lavender was more likely because it seemed more like flirting - 13 year old boy flirting, but flirting. ;)I never meant the interaction between Ron and Luna comprised of romantic clues :lol:. But they did interact in the first place. Apart from Hermione, and one or two sentences with Parvati and Lavender, and being rude to Cho, Ron does not really interact much with other girls, if I recall correctly. But I´m not so observant with these things. I never noticed 13 year old boy flirting of Ron with Lavender, but I´m currently re-reading PoA and will look out if I come across that part. :D

She has mentioned doing an encyclopedia after the books are finished - I'm hoping that's what that would be - the back stories, character backgrounds, etc... It would give us a whole new perception on the series when re-reading.I always thought she wanted to give more details about the history of her wizarding world there. I must have misunderstood that. I personally still plead for a book with Ron and Hermione missing moments.

That's where I go back and forth. I think Viktor's feelings for Hermione were increased by her lack of interest. He had all those fangirls following him around and giggling - asking for autographs. Hermione wasn't interested - didn't follow him, giggle, or ask for autographs. I think that just made him even more interested. He could have had almost anyone he wanted - except Hermione.

Because of that, I think it is likely that their friendship progressed to the point where she could ask advice. Eventually, he would have realized that it wasn't Hermione, but the fact that she wasn't a fangirl that he was attracted to. In that event, I could see him being willing to give Hermione advice.I´m sure, that Hermione was so unaffected by his stardom was a factor, but I hope he liked her for the person she is. Nevertheless, he is not an idiot, and he will have realized sometime during OotP that there will be never more than friendship and his feelings will have cooled down. But I still think Hermione would feel uncomfortable about asking him. She is so reclusive about her feelings all the time. On the other hand, maybe it helped that he is so far away now, that they only have contact via their letters.

What really makes me go back and forth is that it doesn't really seem like Hermione got any advice - or had anyone to talk to. The only thing that makes me wonder is her inviting Ron to the party. Somehow, it seems that she was advised to do that - I'm not sure why, but it seems that way to me.I don´t know if Hermione got advice on inviting Ron. It could be, Slughorn planned this party, asked his club members to feel free to bring guests and Hermione suddenly got the idea that this would be a chance to make a move. Or, she had thought about asking Ron out for some time and waited only for an appropriate opportunity, and this opportunity emerged with Slughorn´s Christmas party.

Those are good questions too. I have wondered how Hermione handled that - did she stay in the common room or go to her dorm? If she left - how did she find out? Did she hide out on the girls staircase listening - did Ron tell her - or did she overhear Lavender and Parvati? If Ron told her - or she heard Lavender and Parvati - does she know all the details? I'll add them to the list.She definately knows, but I somehow can´t imagine her just standing there. But we do not know of course, how long the yelling lasted. It could have been a short scene. Not enough time for Hermione to retreat.


But actually like... I think it was Meesha, said, he wasn't telling Hermione that they broke up, he was telling Harry. Hermione seemed like she already knew to me, the way she backed off looking guilty after grabbing Ron's arm and seeing Lavendar's reaction seemed like an indication that she felt guilty for hurting Lavendar, which would mean she knew that she was the reason they broke up. That´s how I see it as well. Hermione heard Lavender asking "What did you do up there with her?" She knows that she is at least partly the reason for Lavender breaking-up with Ron.


I do think that Lavender knew that Hermione liked Ron. I´m not 100% sure Lavender knew Hermione liked Ron before she [Lavender] started dating Ron. If she is not completely stupid, she will have drawn the right conclusion from Hermione´s behaviour after
Won-Won/Lav-Lav started. She must have noticed between one or the other snog that Hermione, one of Ron´s best friends who had been around him for more than five years, was ignoring them completely.

I also think that she knew she was competing for his favor and loosing until the 'Hermione snogged Krum' inciedent. During the Quidditch tryouts, the first time someone yells for Ron, it is Lavendar. Then next time is Hermione, and Harry sees Lavender walking off with Parvati looking grumpy. I think there are a few more instances where we see Lavender irritated that Hermione tends to 'win' the attention contest. That´s how I see the scene at the tryouts as well. Lavender was trying to catch Ron´s attention from the beginning, laughing about his jokes and such. I´m not so sure though, if Hermione really tried to fight back so to say. But she definately has noticed Lavender´s interest in Ron. I don´t have the book with me, but on one occasion, when Lavender laughed at one of Ron´s jokes Hermione reacts huffy or something like that.

I, along with the avid support of Ginny and Harry, am a firm believer in the Ron/Hermion ship. I think it was quite obvious that they were meant to be together from the start. And i think J.K. Rowling meant to have each of the main characters to have some sort of experience in relationships before finding their right partners. Harry had Cho. Hermione had Viktor. Ron had Lavender. Ginny had a bunch of people. Seeing as that the only person who hadn't had any experience in relationships, Ron, finally had one in Book 6, the relationship between Hermione and Ron will finally blossom into a love affair in Book 7.

I, along with the avid support of Ginny and Harry, am a firm believer in the Ron/Hermion ship. I think it was quite obvious that they were meant to be together from the start. And i think J.K. Rowling meant to have each of the main characters to have some sort of experience in relationships before finding their right partners. Harry had Cho. Hermione had Viktor. Ron had Lavender. Ginny had a bunch of people. Seeing as that the only person who hadn't had any experience in relationships, Ron, finally had one in Book 6, the relationship between Hermione and Ron will finally blossom into a love affair in Book 7.

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I agree, every one I belive has to probably have some sort of a relationship(s) before they find thier ideal person. In the case with Harry and Cho, I sort of knew something would fall with it, and I'm glad that happened. Ginny is Harry's match, obviously, thank goodness, but i dont think Ginny had a ton of relationships, just about two former, If I could remember correctly. Hermione and Victor, I've always thought was more of a friendship to Hermy, but yes, she did realize very fast that it would NEVER work out with them, starting with the Her-mow-ninn-ee pronunciation. Lavender and Ron, as much as I dont like Lav-Lav, it had to be done. And now, I wait VERY impaitiently for the Relationship to happen in book seven, because i am too, a major Ron and Hermione shipper.

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I agree Potterposse, it was necessary. And also, in Ron's and Hermione's case, it helped to reveal their relationship to each other, because when Hermione started going out with Krum, and when Ron started going out with... well, snogging... Lavendar, it seemed that they both let their guard down. Neither of them bothered trying to hide their feelings for a little while.

Well, they couldnt hide it longer anyway, I love the shipping, but it was at thier fault for holding such a thing like that in for so long. You could only hold in such a thing for so long, without it making something bad happen.:sigh:
I'm relieved they did let go, now both of them officially know each other's feelings.:love:
especially at the funeral:blush:

Yes, the funeral was very nice.

You know, another thing I'd like to know, is whether Hermione talked to her parents about Ron. I mean, not about her feelings for him, Hermione doesn't seem that close to her parents, but I wonder how she would have described him. How she would have talked about him.

probably just as a friend. Well, try to make it sound that way. :lol:

Well, yes, but I mean would her parents have been able to figure out that she had a little crush on him? I mean, whether they might have thought "Well, I've never heard her talk about a boy like that before..." I mean, I remember when I had my first real crush my mom had hardly ever met him and she figured out I liked him after I spent one evening with him. I just wonder if maybe they noticed a change in her behavior after she met Ron, or started liking Ron.

I'm guessing they might have some idea like just by the way she says his name or goes a little red after mentionintg a gift from Christmas or something.
"Guess what? Ron......" whatever.
lol
but yes, maby they know.
Hey what do you think they will get each other for thier first real Christmas together? Or thier first Valentines day?

I agree Potterposse, it was necessary. And also, in Ron's and Hermione's case, it helped to reveal their relationship to each other, because when Hermione started going out with Krum, and when Ron started going out with... well, snogging... Lavendar, it seemed that they both let their guard down. Neither of them bothered trying to hide their feelings for a little while.That is true. As long as everything was fine on a friendship level, they were able to hide their feelings and act as if everything was okay. Moreso, they were not forced to face their own feelings for the other. Only when a potential threat came into play, they had to admit to themselves eventually, and they weren´t be able to keep their guard.

Well, yes, but I mean would her parents have been able to figure out that she had a little crush on him? I mean, whether they might have thought "Well, I've never heard her talk about a boy like that before..." I mean, I remember when I had my first real crush my mom had hardly ever met him and she figured out I liked him after I spent one evening with him. I just wonder if maybe they noticed a change in her behavior after she met Ron, or started liking Ron.Well, it seems Hermione does not see her parents that often, at least not after GoF. And I have the impression, she does not tell them much about the wizarding world and what she is doing at Hogwarts, mostly due to the fact that they probably won´t understand. Her comment in OOtP about letting her parents know she was made prefect because that´s something they would understand shows that. But I can imagine that she told a lot about her friends. I mean, wouldn´t she? They seem to be the first real friends she ever had after all. Therefore, while I´m not sure about her father, I can imagine that her mother caught on it. Mrs Granger might have sensed there was a different quality in how Hermione talked about Ron in comparison to Harry. Or maybe, she confided sometime in her mother and got the advice to invite Ron eventually from her. At the latest during Christmas break in HBP Hermione could have told her mother something. She was heartbroken and Mrs Granger must have wondered that for once Hermione did not leave home early to head for the Burrow.

Well, they couldnt hide it longer anyway, I love the shipping, but it was at thier fault for holding such a thing like that in for so long. You could only hold in such a thing for so long, without it making something bad happen.:sigh:
Yes, but it was necessary that it happened. I think it was good in hindsight that they didn´t get togehter earlier. They had to mature more, before starting a serious relationship. And they have learnt some valuable lessons prior to getting together they now don´t have to learn any more during their relationship. And the fact that they not only maintained their friendship but are still interested in each other shows how strong they are, as friends and as a (future-) couple.

They seem to be the first real friends she ever had after all. Therefore, while I´m not sure about her father, I can imagine that her mother caught on it. Mrs Granger might have sensed there was a different quality in how Hermione talked about Ron in comparison to Harry. Or maybe, she confided sometime in her mother and got the advice to invite Ron eventually from her. At the latest during Christmas break in HBP Hermione could have told her mother something. She was heartbroken and Mrs Granger must have wondered that for once Hermione did not leave home early to head for the Burrow.

I have always been wondering as to how Hermione knew so much about human nature and how people behaved when in love.... I mean she seems to be the only girl who knows so much, seeing that she was the one who adviced Ginny to relax around Harry..etc. What if all that she came to know was adviced to her by her Mother? She can't have judged all the things about Cho all by herself. She must have had the knowledge of an experienced person behind her and who can be better than her Mother.

We know that Hermione was in love with Ron for quite sometime so, she must have asked her mother for some advice and she must have suggested her what she (Hermione) suggested to Ginny. And there we have, she started going out with Krum... she relaxed around Ron for him to take notice of her, like Harry took notice of Ginny.

I think it was good in hindsight that they didn´t get togehter earlier. They had to mature more, before starting a serious relationship. And they have learnt some valuable lessons prior to getting together they now don´t have to learn any more during their relationship.

I think that instead of they, it has to be just Ron because we already know about the maturity level of Hermione. She was mature enough in GoF to carry off her relationship with Krum. It had to be Ron who had to mature and that happened to a great effect in HBP. After the Lavender relationship Ron realized that love doesn't just mean snogging around in public. And it was very essential for him to learn this lesson for his relationship with Hermione to be a successful one. ;)

I have always been wondering as to how Hermione knew so much about human nature and how people behaved when in love.... I mean she seems to be the only girl who knows so much, seeing that she was the one who adviced Ginny to relax around Harry..etc. What if all that she came to know was adviced to her by her Mother? She can't have judged all the things about Cho all by herself. She must have had the knowledge of an experienced person behind her and who can be better than her Mother. That´s a good point. She must have had some advice from a more experienced person and her mother definately is a good option. Or maybe she read some good books? :lol:

We know that Hermione was in love with Ron for quite sometime so, she must have asked her mother for some advice and she must have suggested her what she (Hermione) suggested to Ginny. And there we have, she started going out with Krum... she relaxed around Ron for him to take notice of her, like Harry took notice of Ginny. I disagree a bit on this. First of all, I think Ron had noticed Hermione already before that. He just didn´t realize. No Krum needed for that. And Hermione did not start "going out" with Krum. They had one date at the Yule Ball. There is nothing in the text to suggest more.


I think that instead of they, it has to be just Ron because we already know about the maturity level of Hermione. She was mature enough in GoF to carry off her relationship with Krum. Well, as I said above, she had no relationship with Krum, at least not a romantic one. But nevertheless, she seemed to handle the whole Krum-thing well. She must have told him at one point that she was not interested in him and nevertheless they were able to maintain a pen-palship for sometime.
Sure, Hermione came across as quite mature, but I don´t think she was. She only seemed so because of her general demeanour and her brainyness (is that even a word?). While she is more mature than the boys in some respect, she had some maturing to do as well. She did not handle her feelings for Ron too well, she made mistakes. She was so anxious to hide her feelings that she came across dismissive towards Ron and that led him to think he would have no chance with her. This led to them almost losing their friendship, and in the end Hermione almost lost Ron completely. After the poisoning she acted differently. She was more open, supportive and smooth towards Ron and didn´t nag and admonish him so often. I think that had to do with some maturing on Hermione´s part as well.
After the Lavender relationship Ron realized that love doesn't just mean snogging around in public. And it was very essential for him to learn this lesson for his relationship with Hermione to be a successful one. ;)Agree.

I have always been wondering as to how Hermione knew so much about human nature and how people behaved when in love.... I mean she seems to be the only girl who knows so much, seeing that she was the one who adviced Ginny to relax around Harry..etc. What if all that she came to know was adviced to her by her Mother? She can't have judged all the things about Cho all by herself. She must have had the knowledge of an experienced person behind her and who can be better than her Mother.

We know that Hermione was in love with Ron for quite sometime so, she must have asked her mother for some advice and she must have suggested her what she (Hermione) suggested to Ginny. And there we have, she started going out with Krum... she relaxed around Ron for him to take notice of her, like Harry took notice of Ginny.



Yes, Hermione does seem to know much about relationships. And it's true that Ginny listened to her about relaxing around Harry which was a good thing, but Ginny never gave up on Harry. She told him so and Michael and Dean weren't really about getting some experience. But that's about Harry and Ginny. As far as Hermione is concerned, she might give others good advise, but when it comes to herself and Ron, things don't go so moothly. Unless, she's waiting for Ron to make the first move. I think Hermione is rather old fashioned. NOthing wrong with that! I'm old fashioned myself. I think Ron just has a hard time admitting he loves Hermione and he finds it hard and awkwards to talk about it. Though, you never know, Ron might just let things slip, again ;)

About Hermione's competence in relationships and feelings, I think it's 1. part of her intelligence - obviously she is emotionally intelligent as well - and brilliance, and 2. someone needed to know all these things to tell Harry, Ron and Ginny, and who else could that be!

YES!!!

I am an avid H/R shipper and I too believe that their relationship will blossom in book 7!!! They have waited SO long...they deserve each other. They kind of remind me of Mr. and Mrs. Weasley. Ron being the more happy-go-lucky one (with the occasional angry outburst, anyone remember the Malfoy/Arthur incident in Flourish and Blotts?), and Hermione being the strict by-the-rule one (MOLLY!!! -_-) Has anyone considered the idea of them eloping like Mr. and Mrs. Weasley?

I really don't get why everyone seems to think Ron is the only one holding their relationship back. Hermione may have always been more mature in most ways than Ron, but that's just how she is, that kind of maturity doesn't really have too much to do with success in a relationship. Hermione had things she needed to work on too. For example, learning to take her own advice, and pluck up the courage and ask him before sombody else does (although that didn't work in her case) And mainly, how to compliment him. I mean, she doesn't have to like praise him constantly or anything, but she'd always been quite critical of him in the past, where I'm sure he must tell her she's brilliant at least once per book. This has been talked about before, by the end of HBP, Hermione had stopped feeding Ron's insecurities and Ron had realized that he needed Hermione. They both had to get to that point, not just Ron.


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I agree RWeasleysgirl

They both had a lot of work to do before they could be a couple. It was not just Ron!!! I mean, good lord, Hermione gave Ginny loads of sound advice about Harry but she couldn't take it herself when it came to Ron.

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they frustrate me but at the same time their running around each other is really exciting. i can't blame Hermione. May be she's just waiting for Ron to make the first move. it would certainly be my chosen course of action. Ron may be reading the wrong signs, he must be reading the books the way H/Hr supporters are reading them. or may be he's just too scared to admit that he can strongly feel for someone the way he feels for Hermione.
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I can blame Hermione, I blame both of them. It's turned out to be for the best that they've waited this long, because now they're really ready, but it is frustrating to read the books thinking "Oh, just KISS him/her already!!!!" And personally, I think Ron would be more likely to admit it than Hermione. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see who does it!

Yeah, I think for the majority of book 6 he was too scared to admit he loved her too. I guess it would be a big step, because they have been best friends for so long. What if she didn't like him? That thought must have crossed his mind. After all, Hermione is not the most open person with her emotions. People were still not sure if they were meant to be together (H/HR shippers and other R/OC shippers) even at reading book 6. Their relationship has been rather ambiguous through the years.

BTW, thanks RWeasleysgirl!!! I'm new

Well, yes, I mean it's perfectly understandable that both of them would be scared. They didn't only have the fear of rejection, they had the fear of destroying a life-long friendship. Well, really, two life-long friendships, because if they stopped being friends, it would very likely seperate one of them from Harry, because it's hard to be best friends with two people who hate each other. Basically they know that once it gets out there, their lives will be changed. Either for the better: they will finally be completely happy and together forever with tons of smart little redheads running around, or for the worse: the other doesn't feel the same way, things get awkward and after a little effort of trying to keep their friendhip together, they end up never seeing each other again.

We know it would likely be the former, but for them, the fear of the latter would be HUGE.

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Very well spoken! Yes, I agree. That is what is keeping them back: The FEAR!!! That's what keeps most relationships back too. I guess with Lavender there really wasn't any fear, because Hermione already hated him, but that relationship was not ruining any of his other friendships (although Harry didn't seem to approve).

destroying the friendship would be the greatest obstacle in their minds. they don't want to put Harry in the middle, but if only Ron would talk to Harry about it! it's kinda weird, their friendship. if i have this huge crush on somebody, i would definitely tell my bestfriend, and we'll talk about it until the morning comes. Ron never actually talked about his feellings for Hermione to Harry, and Harry Never talked about his feelings for Ginny, even for Cho, to Ron.
but i guess it's awkward for them as they both treat Hermione as a sister, and Ginny is Ron's sister. so...

Yeah, but that wasn't so much a relationship. By that point he thought he'd already lost Hermione, and there was no emotional attachment to Lavendar, so it wasn't quite so scary.


Yeah, I can understand why Harry wouldn't want to tell Ron about Ginny, and I do the same thing you do, but I don't know if that would be more awkward for boys... I mean, when Ron was under the influence of love potion he had no problem telling Harry "I think I love her..." but when he's in his right mind, he might be afraid of sounding stupid.

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Ron may be reading the wrong signs, he must be reading the books the way H/Hr supporters are reading them. or may be he's just too scared to admit that he can strongly feel for someone the way he feels for Hermione.
:sigh:Well, maybe I misunderstand what you´re saying, but Ron never thought there was something between Hermione and Harry. Competition from that side was never his concern *coughVickycough*. But I agree that the first obstacle for Ron and Hermione was to recognize they had feelings for the other and then to admit them to themselves. It was normal they liked each other very much, they were best friends after all. But they had to realize that there was something else between them.

Well, yes, I mean it's perfectly understandable that both of them would be scared. They didn't only have the fear of rejection, they had the fear of destroying a life-long friendship. Well, really, two life-long friendships, because if they stopped being friends, it would very likely seperate one of them from Harry, because it's hard to be best friends with two people who hate each other. Absolutely. Being scared to risk their frienship might have been the main concern, apart from being afraid of rejection and the subsequent hurt feelings. But by now they know how strong their friendship is and they are a little more sure. They also have quite a good idea now that the other has the same deep feelings, it´s just a question now to make a move and act on it. I´m still voting for Ron to make the first move. :love:

destroying the friendship would be the greatest obstacle in their minds. they don't want to put Harry in the middle, but if only Ron would talk to Harry about it! it's kinda weird, their friendship. if i have this huge crush on somebody, i would definitely tell my bestfriend, and we'll talk about it until the morning comes. Ron never actually talked about his feellings for Hermione to Harry, and Harry Never talked about his feelings for Ginny, even for Cho, to Ron.
but i guess it's awkward for them as they both treat Hermione as a sister, and Ginny is Ron's sister. so... Exactly. All three of them, Harry, Ron and Hermione don´t seem to be comfortable with talking about romantic issues. And they are in a very awkward situation. Hermione couldn´t talk to Harry, he is Ron´s best friend as well. Ron couldn´t talk to Harry, he is Hermione´s best friend as well. Harry didn´t talk to Ron about his crush on Cho and apart from two or three sentences at Christmastime in HBP Ron did not talk to Harry about Lavender. As close as the three are to each other, when it comes to romance they are quite left on their own. But that will be resolved soon in HP7.

destroying the friendship would be the greatest obstacle in their minds. they don't want to put Harry in the middle, but if only Ron would talk to Harry about it! it's kinda weird, their friendship. if i have this huge crush on somebody, i would definitely tell my bestfriend, and we'll talk about it until the morning comes. Ron never actually talked about his feellings for Hermione to Harry, and Harry Never talked about his feelings for Ginny, even for Cho, to Ron.
but i guess it's awkward for them as they both treat Hermione as a sister, and Ginny is Ron's sister. so...

It is kind of an awkward situation because Harry is best friends with both of them. Neither of them want to put Harry in the middle - yet he ended up in the middle anyway, trying to make peace between them in HBP.

I think that's a hurdle they could eventually overcome. Harry and Ron came really close to talking to each other about it in HBP - when Harry was at the Burrow during Christmas. That's the closest they've come to having a conversation about their feelings.

I think Harry could very well try to talk to Ron about it - after everything that happened in HBP, I think he'll want them to resolve their issues before they get started searching for Horcruxes. Then again, he might just assume that they already have. I'm hoping for a nice conversation between Harry and Ron though. :)

Of course, it will still be awkward for Harry to talk to Ron about Ginny - but I think they will figure that out eventually. ;)

I can blame Hermione, I blame both of them. It's turned out to be for the best that they've waited this long, because now they're really ready, but it is frustrating to read the books thinking "Oh, just KISS him/her already!!!!" And personally, I think Ron would be more likely to admit it than Hermione. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see who does it!

lol, I always think that!
I agree, I think for some reason that Ron will admit it first, just my gut feeling.
wow. GUT FEEELIING!!!!! I officially need a life!!!!!! lol
seriously.

Well, If I'm wrong, I'll never trust my instincts again!!
well, maby.

I think Harry could very well try to talk to Ron about it - after everything that happened in HBP, I think he'll want them to resolve their issues before they get started searching for Horcruxes. Then again, he might just assume that they already have. I'm hoping for a nice conversation between Harry and Ron though.
That'd be nice. I'm thinking maby Harry will try to talk to Ginny fisrt, then something will go wrong with it, like her yelling at him saying that she doesn't care about the danger. Then Harry afterwards will talk to Ron.

she might of started off talking about him as a friend, but it could of escillated and she may of said something that made them think that he means something more to her!

Absolutely. Being scared to risk their frienship might have been the main concern, apart from being afraid of rejection and the subsequent hurt feelings. But by now they know how strong their friendship is and they are a little more sure. They also have quite a good idea now that the other has the same deep feelings, it´s just a question now to make a move and act on it. I´m still voting for Ron to make the first move. :love:


I definitely think Ron's going to make the next move. Hermione has already made the first move, IMO, when she invited Ron to Slughorn's party. Since that didn't work, she's going to be very reluctant to make another attempt. Ron, on the other hand, should be the next one to try to bring the two of them together. He was the one who dated Lavender, and even though Hermione shares some blame for that, Ron has to take responsibility for how much he hurt Hermione.

Well, as I said above, she had no relationship with Krum, at least not a romantic one. But nevertheless, she seemed to handle the whole Krum-thing well. She must have told him at one point that she was not interested in him and nevertheless they were able to maintain a pen-palship for sometime.

I am of the opinion that when she got the hint that Krum was interested in a more intimate relationship than of good friends then she must have told him about her feelings for Ron. ;)

Sure, Hermione came across as quite mature, but I don´t think she was. She only seemed so because of her general demeanour and her brainyness (is that even a word?). While she is more mature than the boys in some respect, she had some maturing to do as well. She did not handle her feelings for Ron too well, she made mistakes. She was so anxious to hide her feelings that she came across dismissive towards Ron and that led him to think he would have no chance with her. This led to them almost losing their friendship, and in the end Hermione almost lost Ron completely. After the poisoning she acted differently. She was more open, supportive and smooth towards Ron and didn´t nag and admonish him so often. I think that had to do with some maturing on Hermione´s part as well.

You have to admit that Girls mature quicker as compared to boys. Moreover I think Hermione was quite mature in PoA whence she advised Ginny (I am saying that because it was from then that we see Ginny speaking properly in front of Harry) but when it came to handling her personal relationship with Ron she used to loose it a bit. I think that happens with every girl of her age. From that aspect she did need to mature but not as much as Ron. I really don't get why everyone seems to think Ron is the only one holding their relationship back. Hermione may have always been more mature in most ways than Ron, but that's just how she is, that kind of maturity doesn't really have too much to do with success in a relationship. Hermione had things she needed to work on too. For example, learning to take her own advice, and pluck up the courage and ask him before sombody else does (although that didn't work in her case) And mainly, how to compliment him. I mean, she doesn't have to like praise him constantly or anything, but she'd always been quite critical of him in the past, where I'm sure he must tell her she's brilliant at least once per book. This has been talked about before, by the end of HBP, Hermione had stopped feeding Ron's insecurities and Ron had realized that he needed Hermione. They both had to get to that point, not just Ron.

How do you expect Ron would have reacted if Hermione had said that she loved him? :eyebrows: My point is it was Ron who wasn't prepared for the relationship. ;)

Well, yes, I mean it's perfectly understandable that both of them would be scared. They didn't only have the fear of rejection, they had the fear of destroying a life-long friendship. Well, really, two life-long friendships, because if they stopped being friends, it would very likely seperate one of them from Harry, because it's hard to be best friends with two people who hate each other. Basically they know that once it gets out there, their lives will be changed. Either for the better: they will finally be completely happy and together forever with tons of smart little redheads running around, or for the worse: the other doesn't feel the same way, things get awkward and after a little effort of trying to keep their friendhip together, they end up never seeing each other again.

That is an excellent point that you have made. Ginny and Harry's relationship started with supposed attraction then friendship and then Love therefore if they didn't end up together, it won't effect their friendship as such, but with Hermione and Ron this problem was huge, if their relationship didn't gel up very well then the repercussions on the friendship of the trio would have been immense therefore it was absolutely necessary that their relationship proceeded smoothly and gently.

Moreover this had been the concern of Harry in HBP when he saw Hermione and Ron from that angle i.e. as a couple.

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I loved it when he dropped the pod because he heard Hermione ask Ron. (my sig. lol)

I really don't get why everyone seems to think Ron is the only one holding their relationship back. Hermione may have always been more mature in most ways than Ron, but that's just how she is, that kind of maturity doesn't really have too much to do with success in a relationship. Hermione had things she needed to work on too. For example, learning to take her own advice, and pluck up the courage and ask him before sombody else does (although that didn't work in her case) And mainly, how to compliment him. I mean, she doesn't have to like praise him constantly or anything, but she'd always been quite critical of him in the past, where I'm sure he must tell her she's brilliant at least once per book. This has been talked about before, by the end of HBP, Hermione had stopped feeding Ron's insecurities and Ron had realized that he needed Hermione. They both had to get to that point, not just Ron.
Agreed, Hermione was a very good observer of others' potential relationships and interplay but she was not very good at turning those insights toward herself.

And welcome to the thread, Nairobi! Actually, I think that's a nice idea. :agree: :welcome:

I can blame Hermione, I blame both of them. It's turned out to be for the best that they've waited this long, because now they're really ready, but it is frustrating to read the books thinking "Oh, just KISS him/her already!!!!" And personally, I think Ron would be more likely to admit it than Hermione. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see who does it!
:agree: I think it's about time for Ron to 'have at it and stop fluttering around'. In Half Blood Prince it was Hermione that stuck her neck out albeit with something of a safety net. Unfortunately she didn't stick it far enough out to make her intent obvious and essentially got bitten. So now I feel it's Ron's turn and if anyone can make themselves obvious it's 'ickle Ronniekins'. :D

destroying the friendship would be the greatest obstacle in their minds. they don't want to put Harry in the middle, but if only Ron would talk to Harry about it! it's kinda weird, their friendship. if i have this huge crush on somebody, i would definitely tell my bestfriend, and we'll talk about it until the morning comes. Ron never actually talked about his feellings for Hermione to Harry, and Harry Never talked about his feelings for Ginny, even for Cho, to Ron.
but i guess it's awkward for them as they both treat Hermione as a sister, and Ginny is Ron's sister. so...
That's kind of why I think it's Ron's move now. Of the three of them Ron is, teenage male thickness aside, probably the most emotionally well rounded of the trio with Harry having that part of his nature effectively squashed for ten years and Hermione, being an only child and quite precocious, not having the benefit of other siblings to round out her experience level. Actually that could be a reason why Hermione has this appearance of emotional maturity yet an uncanny inability to apply that to herself too, a lack of peers in her life before Hogwarts.

Exactly. All three of them, Harry, Ron and Hermione don´t seem to be comfortable with talking about romantic issues. And they are in a very awkward situation. Hermione couldn´t talk to Harry, he is Ron´s best friend as well. Ron couldn´t talk to Harry, he is Hermione´s best friend as well. Harry didn´t talk to Ron about his crush on Cho and apart from two or three sentences at Christmastime in HBP Ron did not talk to Harry about Lavender. As close as the three are to each other, when it comes to romance they are quite left on their own. But that will be resolved soon in HP7.
:agree: Yup, they're pretty much all to that point now, and I think it might be up to Ron to take a lead there.

It is kind of an awkward situation because Harry is best friends with both of them. Neither of them want to put Harry in the middle - yet he ended up in the middle anyway, trying to make peace between them in HBP.

I think that's a hurdle they could eventually overcome. Harry and Ron came really close to talking to each other about it in HBP - when Harry was at the Burrow during Christmas. That's the closest they've come to having a conversation about their feelings.

I think Harry could very well try to talk to Ron about it - after everything that happened in HBP, I think he'll want them to resolve their issues before they get started searching for Horcruxes. Then again, he might just assume that they already have. I'm hoping for a nice conversation between Harry and Ron though. :)
:agree: It'll be an interesting one that's for sure.

Of course, it will still be awkward for Harry to talk to Ron about Ginny - but I think they will figure that out eventually. ;)
Now that is one I'm looking forward to.

I see Ron taking the first step towards Hermione but i also see him loose his nerve if Krum comes into picture.

I still vote for the Harry (snog each other and get on with it) approach lol, it would fit well with Harry being the matchmaker (in a weird) way because that would show that he is more interested in his friends lives and not so consumed with his destiny.

I don't see a huge discussion, but I think it would be nice like, maybe if Ron told Harry that he loved Hermione or that she was the one, or something like that, or if Harry told Ron the same of Ginny. It would be more awkward if Harry said something about Ginny, but as long as he sticks to feelings and leaves out anything personal, I think they'll be ok.

As awkward as it would be for Harry if Ron said something about Hermione, I think he'd be happy for them both.

I am of the opinion that when she got the hint that Krum was interested in a more intimate relationship than of good friends then she must have told him about her feelings for Ron. ;)

I think she did eventually tell Viktor about her feelings for Ron, but it wasn't until later. I'm thinking she told him at the end when he pulled her away to speak with her.

At the very least, it was after Viktor confronted Harry because he was concerned about Harry - not Ron. If she told him before that, then she didn't mention any names and he just assumed she was talking about Harry. I don't think that is the case because Viktor accepted Harry's explanation that they were just friends readily.

You have to admit that Girls mature quicker as compared to boys. Moreover I think Hermione was quite mature in PoA whence she advised Ginny (I am saying that because it was from then that we see Ginny speaking properly in front of Harry) but when it came to handling her personal relationship with Ron she used to loose it a bit. I think that happens with every girl of her age. From that aspect she did need to mature but not as much as Ron.

Hermione never spent any time with Ginny until GOF - and even then it wasn't much. It is more likely that Hermione gave Ginny that advice when she stayed the summer at Grimmauld Place. Canon does not say when Ginny started dating Michael Corner. She met him at the Yule Ball but we don't know when she started dating him. It is unlikely that they were dating when school started back that year - she sat with Harry and Luna on the train - not Michael. My speculation would be that Hermione gave Ginny that advice when they were at Grimmauld Place and Ginny started dating Michael after they went back to school.

Ginny had issues with talking around Harry up through GOF. There was slight improvement in GOF - she was able to talk when others were around, but she still wasn't completely being herself around Harry. That didn't happen until Harry arrived at Grimmauld Place in OOTP.

Hermione was more mature than Harry and Ron, but she did need to grow up some more herself. She wasn't ready for a relationship either.

How do you expect Ron would have reacted if Hermione had said that she loved him? :eyebrows: My point is it was Ron who wasn't prepared for the relationship. ;)

Neither of them were prepared. Hermione was a bit more mature, but she still made a lot of mistakes - just as Ron did. Hermione's mistake was in taking Ron for granted. She hid her feelings but, at the same time, expected him to know that she liked him make the first move.

I think Hermione was worried about other people figuring out her feelings - like Harry or the twins. She was afraid they would "take the mickey" out on her - and maybe Ron as well. That was also why she didn't want anyone to know that she was going to the ball with Krum - part of the reason anyway. She was worried that they would laugh at her.

That was what Hermione had to learn. She couldn't keep ignoring Ron, snapping at him, etc... and expect him to just stick around and take it - let alone gather the courage to ask her out. Now, Hermione will never be the type to be coy or giggly, but she could have been more open - complimenting Ron when he deserved it - basically, giving him the same consideration that he's given her all these years. Ron has never been afraid to compliment Hermione or praise her - but Hermione was afraid to do the same in return.

That's the change we see after Ron is poisoned in HBP. Hermione stops taking Ron for granted. She's nicer to him - she doesn't ignore him - she compliments him more.

That is an excellent point that you have made. Ginny and Harry's relationship started with supposed attraction then friendship and then Love therefore if they didn't end up together, it won't effect their friendship as such, but with Hermione and Ron this problem was huge, if their relationship didn't gel up very well then the repercussions on the friendship of the trio would have been immense therefore it was absolutely necessary that their relationship proceeded smoothly and gently.

Moreover this had been the concern of Harry in HBP when he saw Hermione and Ron from that angle i.e. as a couple.

And that was an unrealistic expectation. Relationships don't proceed smoothly and gently. There are always bumps in the road - whether it's a misunderstanding with your best friend or the one you're in love with. Things like that are going to happen.

That was the fear they had to overcome. I think that they both realized that their friendship is important to both of them and, because of that, a romantic relationship has a greater chance of success. It won't be smooth and gentle - that just wouldn't be Ron and Hermione. But I think they've learned - or at least will have learned by the time they get together - that they can work through anything if they just communicate.

I think she did eventually tell Viktor about her feelings for Ron, but it wasn't until later. I'm thinking she told him at the end when he pulled her away to speak with her.

At the very least, it was after Viktor confronted Harry because he was concerned about Harry - not Ron. If she told him before that, then she didn't mention any names and he just assumed she was talking about Harry. I don't think that is the case because Viktor accepted Harry's explanation that they were just friends readily.


Hmm I don't even think Hermione would need to confess her feelings for Ron in order to "stop" the beginnings of a relationship between her and Krum. She could have just said she wasn't interested in a romantic manner and I think Krum, being the accepting person as he is, wouldn't have protested. But I also like the idea of not mentioning names. :)

Neither of them were prepared. Hermione was a bit more mature, but she still made a lot of mistakes - just as Ron did. Hermione's mistake was in taking Ron for granted. She hid her feelings but, at the same time, expected him to know that she liked him make the first move.

:agree:

Hermione never spent any time with Ginny until GOF - and even then it wasn't much. It is more likely that Hermione gave Ginny that advice when she stayed the summer at Grimmauld Place. Canon does not say when Ginny started dating Michael Corner. She met him at the Yule Ball but we don't know when she started dating him. It is unlikely that they were dating when school started back that year - she sat with Harry and Luna on the train - not Michael. My speculation would be that Hermione gave Ginny that advice when they were at Grimmauld Place and Ginny started dating Michael after they went back to school.


Ginny started dating Michael at the end of GOF. From OOTP:


'He's WHAT?' spluttered Ron, outraged, his ears now resembling curls of raw beef. 'She's going out with – my sister's going – what d'you mean, Michael Corner?'

'Well, that's why he and his friends came, I think – well, they're obviously interested in learning defence, but if Ginny hadn't told Michael what was going on '

When did this – when did she ?'

They met at the Yule Ball and got together at the end of last year,' said Hermione composedly. They had turned into the High Street and she paused outside Scrivenshaft's Quill Shop, where there was a handsome display of pheasant feather quills in the window. 'Hmm… I could do with a new quill.'

So Hermione had to give Ginny the advice about getting on with her life sometime after the Yule Ball and before the end of the year.

I was thinking about Bill and Fleur's wedding today and a classiek Ron and Hermione scene popped into my mind.
-Ron doesn't ask Hermione to go with him to the wedding, because he's not sure how to ask her and because she's invided anyway. He'll think "why bother, she'll be there anyway"!

- Hermione, who might be expecting Ron to ask her to go with him to the wedding, might get tired of waiting and invites Krum to accompany her to the wedding!

-Ron, of course, gets angry and jealous at the sight of Krum and here we go again...

Of course, I hope they will get together at the wedding without too much fuss ,)

You have to admit that Girls mature quicker as compared to boys. Moreover I think Hermione was quite mature in PoA whence she advised Ginny (I am saying that because it was from then that we see Ginny speaking properly in front of Harry) but when it came to handling her personal relationship with Ron she used to loose it a bit. I think that happens with every girl of her age. From that aspect she did need to mature but not as much as Ron. I agree. Hermione definately was more mature than the boys, being a girl and being the oldest of the trio. Nevertheless, she had to mature a bit as well. Deevo put it very good as to why Hermione often seems to be so exceptionally mature for a girl her age but isn´t really to that extent she makes us believe.

...and Hermione, being an only child and quite precocious, not having the benefit of other siblings to round out her experience level. Actually that could be a reason why Hermione has this appearance of emotional maturity yet an uncanny inability to apply that to herself too, a lack of peers in her life before Hogwarts.

:agree: Yup, they're pretty much all to that point now, and I think it might be up to Ron to take a lead there. I have utmost confidence in my Ronnie-boy that he will finally get a grip on his doubts and show that he´s a true Weasley. :D
Hmm I don't even think Hermione would need to confess her feelings for Ron in order to "stop" the beginnings of a relationship between her and Krum. She could have just said she wasn't interested in a romantic manner and I think Krum, being the accepting person as he is, wouldn't have protested. But I also like the idea of not mentioning names. :) True. I think Krum has accepted /has had to accept that Hermione does not reciprocate his feelings without being given a reason. There was no obligation for Hermione generally to explain she had feelings for someone else, giving a name or not. But I can imagine Krum would have asked why she did not feel the same, or if there might be a chance she would develop this feelings in the future when she gets to know him better. Then, she could have told him she liked someone else. Krum seemed to suspect that there was someone, hence his questioning Harry. When Krum found out there was nothing between Hermione and Harry, he might have asked again.
Another scenario is, that Hermione confessed her feelings for Ron later in one of her letters to Krum. But that is all complete speculation of course, and if HP7 doesn´t give us some answers we hopefully will find out otherwise. :D

I agree. Hermione definately was more mature than the boys, being a girl and being the oldest of the trio. Nevertheless, she had to mature a bit as well. Deevo put it very good as to why Hermione often seems to be so exceptionally mature for a girl her age but isn´t really to that extent she makes us believe.



I have utmost confidence in my Ronnie-boy that he will finally get a grip on his doubts and show that he´s a true Weasley. :D
True. I think Krum has accepted /has had to accept that Hermione does not reciprocate his feelings without being given a reason. There was no obligation for Hermione generally to explain she had feelings for someone else, giving a name or not. But I can imagine Krum would have asked why she did not feel the same, or if there might be a chance she would develop this feelings in the future when she gets to know him better. Then, she could have told him she liked someone else. Krum seemed to suspect that there was someone, hence his questioning Harry. When Krum found out there was nothing between Hermione and Harry, he might have asked again.
Another scenario is, that Hermione confessed her feelings for Ron later in one of her letters to Krum. But that is all complete speculation of course, and if HP7 doesn´t give us some answers we hopefully will find out otherwise. :D

well, i'm sure that krum will appear in book 7, so i wonder if he will be the one to confess how much hermione likes ron, in a arguement about why she likes ron more than him(krum). And maybe ron would be standing around the corner listening in! Ohh clever! :lol:

well, i'm sure that krum will appear in book 7, so i wonder if he will be the one to confess how much hermione likes ron, in a arguement about why she likes ron more than him(krum). And maybe ron would be standing around the corner listening in! Ohh clever! :lol:Oh, well, then I really hope Harry is standing next to Ron. I really don´t to miss any of that argument. :lol:

haha! This book is sounding very good! But would harry and ron argue about whether or not ron should ask hermione out, or something else?

I don't want Ron to find out about Hermione's feelings by listening to her private conversations with Krum, that would not be a good thing for him. I think Krum's presence will either fuel his fire and he will gather the courage to speak to Hermione, or it's YB part 2 ALL OVER AGAIN.

I don't see Hermione talking about romantic feelins with Krum either, she is a very private person and other people's perceptions of her are important to her so for her to tell something so intimate it would have to be to a VERY close friend and i don't see Krum being that person i'm sorry.

I don't want Ron to find out about Hermione's feelings by listening to her private conversations with Krum, that would not be a good thing for him. I think Krum's presence will either fuel his fire and he will gather the courage to speak to Hermione, or it's YB part 2 ALL OVER AGAIN.I don´t really think that will happen in HP7 anyway. At the moment I´m inclined to even think Ron and Hermione will be already together when Krum turns up in the book.

I don't see Hermione talking about romantic feelins with Krum either, she is a very private person and other people's perceptions of her are important to her so for her to tell something so intimate it would have to be to a VERY close friend and i don't see Krum being that person i'm sorry.Basically, I agree that Hermione is too private a person to talk about it to Krum. But that depends on the situation a little bit as well. If it would be necessary to explain herself to Krum she could confide in him.

We have discussed previously on this thread if maybe Hermione might have sought romantic advice from Krum. While it seems unlikely (it´s not important to the plot and there is nothing in the text really, except the fact that Hermione wrote letters to Krum), under certain circumstances it is a possibility. I´m 50/50 about it, but it´s fun anyway to speculate on such scenarios.

well, i'm sure that krum will appear in book 7, so i wonder if he will be the one to confess how much hermione likes ron, in a arguement about why she likes ron more than him(krum). And maybe ron would be standing around the corner listening in! Ohh clever!

I don't see Krum doing that. :no: He is much to a shy person to do such a thing especially in front of Harry and Ron. He is a loner of a person to do such a thing. He tries to avoid things like that, i.e confrontation. Moreover the Male ego won't allow him to confess the reasons why, Hermione likes Ron more than him. ;)

Personally, I think Ron and Hermione will be final before we ever get a chance to see Viktor, but if not then I think the only thing Viktor will do is give Ron a little push to make his move. He lost one chance with Hermione to Krum, he's not going to lose another. I agree that Viktor probably knows by now that Hermione is interested in Ron, she probably told him she likes someone else whether she mentions names or not, but I don't think he expects anything more than friendship with her at this point, so I don't think he'll be that big an obstacle.

lol i didnt mean all girls gossip as in i think hermione is sitting there chatting about how cute such and such a rather is, or did you hear the latest antics in the hufflepuff common room, it meant it more as in

1) hermione is always ontop of what is going on in the castle, who likes who and who is seeing who. she listens to everything said around her. i was trying to use that as a indication that obviously she is not completely shut off from the girls around her.

2) lavender and parvatti most certainly do gossip. once again by the way guys i dont mean gossiping as in rumours (although i think we've seen plenty of evidence that parvati and lavender are defintiely the type that would) but as in the general way that girls talk to everyone about whats going on, not necessarily about their deep feelings or boys or crushes or anything, but about things in general. Most girls i know have a pretty good clue about whats happening in the world around them. And thats not rumour mongering.
ie. Hermione knew when Cho moved on, Hermione also knew about cho crying all the time and everything that was bothering her, hermione knew about lavender thinking harry was lying and.. well lets face it the amount of times that girl as exasperatedly told ron and herry where they are missing things is huge.

3) im pretty sure i said that i didnt think hermione was the type to talk about her feelings but that the others could pick up on what was not said. as was quoted earlier people dont think hermione is the type to talk about ron, she'd probably hide it. that ofcourse could be a big clue as if shes perfectly relaxed when, oh i dont know saying that she just got back from a walk on the grounds with harry looking at some magical tree or somthing, but seems completely dismissive or giving the barest infromation about the fact shes going to spending the afternoon studying with ron, it could be the same as her smiling goofily as she talked about him.

meh it doesnt matter, it was only a once off because i though people werent realising that hermione had the capability to get along with people other then ron and harry

oh and for those who got serious about hermione saying rons name in her sleep. it was a joke, mainly because i loved that scene in HP6