Ron and Hermione - Where to from here? v5

Possible I guess, but I would like to see Ron realize that Hermione's always loved him better anyway

Possible I guess, but I would like to see Ron realize that Hermione's always loved him better anywayI know what you mean and I agree. Although, I think Hermione will be able to make Ron realize she preferred him over Vicky all along in any case. :love:

Yeah, but in that case Viktor's relationship status shouldn't matter. If Ron made a move only upon finding out that Viktor has another girl it would be like he thought he was second. The only chance he had with her was if she couldn't have Viktor and I wouldn't like to see Ron think that. Anymore.

oh..I didnt mean it like that. I meant that He then officially knows Hermione never liked him when he sees her reaction. Like, "Oh My goodness! Thats so great!" Then I could now see what you mean, they could maybe get into an arguement over it, then the I love you's come out..well, yeah, get the picture.

I think they should just stick together and marry. Bugger harry, he might get them killed.

Oh, he won't get them killed. Even if they do die, it's not his fault.

I dont think that they will have much time for romance while fighting against an all powerful evil
:agree: Quite right, at least not in the dating sense. Still they're already well past the getting to know you stage of their relationship anyway, they've effectively been a functioning couple for years now, all that remains is for them to realise it.

I dont even really think that after all Ron has put hermione through that she will even want to go out with him...
As ronjalina said it was pretty 50/50 between them at the start. Reading the early pre Lav Lav chapters of Half Blood Prince again we see that Hermione is often dismissive and unintentionally cool toward Ron while she is quite encouraging, in a fond elder sibling like sense, toward Harry. There are occasions where Ron is almost metaphorically screaming for some attention or at least some recognition from her.

Personally I feel that Hermione behaved that way in an effort not to be obvious about her feelings toward Ron, unfortunately she did it so well even Ron didn't see it. He went with Lavender, I suspect, because he genuinely felt Hermione wasn't interested in him in 'that way' and was quite shocked and surprised (not to mention scratched and bleeding :evil:) when he found out otherwise. It's actually a point in his favour that he didn't simply drop Lavender when he begun to realise she wasn't the type for him, I think he didn't want to compound the damage he'd already inadvertently done by causing her grief on top of that he'd already caused Hermione. That and I think that Lavender may not have been above some emotional blackmail of her own when she began to see him cooling off.

Well, I actually had a theory consisting of a dark betrayal where Krum is actually a Death Eater and he betrays the trio...Where the Irony of Rons jealousy in book four telling Hermione he cant be trusted comes to reality. *How very nice of me*
Could be but I doubt it. Still I think it's possible that one of their 'friends' will turn out to be a concealed enemy, I'm still not quite sure who though.

I doubt that Viktor would still be holding out for Hermione anyway. It's been two years since they saw each other in person, and I don't get the impression that she is the great love of his life or anything. I don't think Viktor has any romantic inentions with Hermione, and hopefully Ron will be sure of that, too. Especially if they're already together by that point, it would be nice to see him confident in himself enough to realize that he shouldn't be threatened by Viktor anymore.
I get the feeling that Viktor and Hermione may well have settled that question at the end of Goblet of Fire. She did have that conversation with him just before he left and he did acknowledge Ron immediately after. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Viktor hasn't been behaving a bit like an elder bother toward Hermione and acting as a bit of a sounding board on matters personal. :)

:agree: Quite right, at least not in the dating sense. Still they're already well past the getting to know you stage of their relationship anyway, they've effectively been a functioning couple for years now, all that remains is for them to realise it.

Exactly. :agree:

As ronjalina said it was pretty 50/50 between them at the start. Reading the early pre Lav Lav chapters of Half Blood Prince again we see that Hermione is often dismissive and unintentionally cool toward Ron while she is quite encouraging, in a fond elder sibling like sense, toward Harry. There are occasions where Ron is almost metaphorically screaming for some attention or at least some recognition from her.

Personally I feel that Hermione behaved that way in an effort not to be obvious about her feelings toward Ron, unfortunately she did it so well even Ron didn't see it. He went with Lavender, I suspect, because he genuinely felt Hermione wasn't interested in him in 'that way' and was quite shocked and surprised (not to mention scratched and bleeding :evil:) when he found out otherwise. It's actually a point in his favour that he didn't simply drop Lavender when he begun to realise she wasn't the type for him, I think he didn't want to compound the damage he'd already inadvertently done by causing her grief on top of that he'd already caused Hermione. That and I think that Lavender may not have been above some emotional blackmail of her own when she began to see him cooling off.

I agree. It would have been a simple matter for Ron to just dump Lavender and hurt her. The fact that he didn't, shows that he was growing up. He realized what a mistake he had made and tried to fix things without hurting anyone else. It wasn't possible for him to do that, but it shows his growing maturity that he at least tried.

Could be but I doubt it. Still I think it's possible that one of their 'friends' will turn out to be a concealed enemy, I'm still not quite sure who though.

I agree. That would be an interesting turn of events, but I don't think Jo is heading in that direction. I think Krum will help them in some way. I've wondered about Zacharias Smith in that regard. He's not really a friend, but his animosity towards Harry seems to be very extreme from the first time they meet.

I get the feeling that Viktor and Hermione may well have settled that question at the end of Goblet of Fire. She did have that conversation with him just before he left and he did acknowledge Ron immediately after. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Viktor hasn't been behaving a bit like an elder bother toward Hermione and acting as a bit of a sounding board on matters personal. :)

You know, I made that suggestion once before, but it wasn't very popular. But I do think that's what happened. I think Krum's feelings for Hermione stemmed from the fact that she wasn't interested in him romantically. That was something that had never happened to him. Jo showed how all those girls were following him around all the time. He could have almost anyone he wanted by snapping his fingers because he's so famous - except for Hermione.

In the end, I think she let him down gently and told him that she had feelings for Ron. Up to that point, Krum had pretty much disregarded Ron all together. But at the end, he was relieved when Ron asked for his autograph. To me, that suggests that Hermione told him and he was relieved because Ron wasn't going to make an issue of it.

I also think that explains the long letter in OOTP - and why Hermione didn't want Ron to read it. You could see that Hermione was getting frustrated with Ron in OOTP. He had shown jealousy towards Krum - and continued to do so - but he hadn't made any kind of move beyond that. I think it's possible that she was asking Krum for advice there - neutral third party - male point of view - that kind of thing. And Krum is the one person she could talk to about it without worrying about anything getting back to Ron. Ginny has a tendency to let things slip - especially when she's angry - and talking to Harry would put him in the middle. Krum would be the best option for that, IMO.

That and I think that Lavender may not have been above some emotional blackmail of her own when she began to see him cooling off.:scared: My poor Ronnie-boy. How was he supposed to deal with emotional blackmail? I can imagine this in the sense of Lavender constantly telling Ron how much he means to her, how happy he makes her, how utterly unhappy she would be without him... something along those lines. Making Ron feel guilty at the mere thought of breaking up with her. He still felt guilty after she broke up with him, as seen in Charms the next day. Maybe the presence of Lavender during the rest of the school-year was one thing that held Ron and Hermione back to finally start their relationship. They didn´t want to rub it in her nose. They took it slow. And that is the better
way to approach their future relationship. Repair friendship first. They both have waited for years now, a little while longer is no problem then. (But please not tooo long, JKR! :grumble: )


You know, I made that suggestion once before, but it wasn't very popular. But I do think that's what happened. I´m just re-reading GoF and will look out for that scene (again :lol: ) when I am there. I like the idea that this happened, though I´m not sure it did. Canon doesn´t give us enough, but it is definitely not too far fetched.

I also think that explains the long letter in OOTP - and why Hermione didn't want Ron to read it. You could see that Hermione was getting frustrated with Ron in OOTP. He had shown jealousy towards Krum - and continued to do so - but he hadn't made any kind of move beyond that. I think it's possible that she was asking Krum for advice there - neutral third party - male point of view - that kind of thing. I know we´ve discussed this before and I still doubt it, for two reasons.

1. I don´t think Hermione would write such a letter with such a delicate content about Ron infront of Ron. Especially not such an overlong letter that Ron could hardly overlook. :D

2. I´m not sure if it wouldn´t be too awkward to ask the very boy who has had this strong feelings for her about advice on another boy.

If she did seek advive from Krum, she would prefer to write these letters more in private. In her dormitory or in the library. Two places Ron would hardly show up. :D

I can imagine however, that she was talking about Ron in her letters. I have this vision of Krum attending the wedding, Ron getting a bit subdued and Krum greets him: "Her-my-own-ninny told me you are now Keeper of Gryffindor. She says you are the best keeper the team ever had." I can see someone blushing then.

:scared: My poor Ronnie-boy. How was he supposed to deal with emotional blackmail? I can imagine this in the sense of Lavender constantly telling Ron how much he means to her, how happy he makes her, how utterly unhappy she would be without him... something along those lines. Making Ron feel guilty at the mere thought of breaking up with her. He still felt guilty after she broke up with him, as seen in Charms the next day. Maybe the presence of Lavender during the rest of the school-year was one thing that held Ron and Hermione back to finally start their relationship. They didn´t want to rub it in her nose. They took it slow. And that is the better
way to approach their future relationship. Repair friendship first. They both have waited for years now, a little while longer is no problem then. (But please not tooo long, JKR! :grumble: )

That's kind of what I'm thinking. I don't think it was something they discussed. More like a "silent agreement" similar to them dropping the issue after the Yule Brawl. But I do think that they both decided to repair their friendship before anything else. And I don't think either of them wanted to hurt Lavender any more than she already was - or give the appearance that her apparent accusation had any validity to it.

I´m just re-reading GoF and will look out for that scene (again :lol: ) when I am there. I like the idea that this happened, though I´m not sure it did. Canon doesn´t give us enough, but it is definitely not too far fetched.

It's at the very end when Krum pulls Hermione away just before they leave. :) It just strikes me as odd that Krum basically disregards Ron up to that point and then, all of a sudden, he's relieved when Ron asks for his autograph.

I know we´ve discussed this before and I still doubt it, for two reasons.

1. I don´t think Hermione would write such a letter with such a delicate content about Ron infront of Ron. Especially not such an overlong letter that Ron could hardly overlook. :D

The only reason I wonder about that particular letter is the fact that Hermione wouldn't let Ron see it. When he tried to look, she pulled it up where he couldn't see. So there was something there that she didn't want him to see and I don't believe it was confessions of undying love for Krum. ;)

2. I´m not sure if it wouldn´t be too awkward to ask the very boy who has had this strong feelings for her about advice on another boy.

Not at that point. This would have been the following year and she and Krum had developed a friendship by then. I think Krum was long over Hermione at that point. It's definitely not a certainty because of Hermione's private nature. But if she talked to anyone about Ron, I would guess Krum simply because they are friends, he's neutral, and he could give her a male point of view. Harry would obviously be a better choice because he knows Ron so well, but the fact that he's friends with both of them could potentially put Harry in the middle and I think they both avoided that intentionally. And there's always the risk of Harry letting something slip. That would be another advantage to talking about it with Krum. ;)

If she did seek advive from Krum, she would prefer to write these letters more in private. In her dormitory or in the library. Two places Ron would hardly show up. :D

Now, now. Ron does go to the library on occasion. ;) But, like I said, the only reason I wonder about that particular letter is because she wouldn't let Ron see it.

I can imagine however, that she was talking about Ron in her letters. I have this vision of Krum attending the wedding, Ron getting a bit subdued and Krum greets him: "Her-my-own-ninny told me you are now Keeper of Gryffindor. She says you are the best keeper the team ever had." I can see someone blushing then.

Awww. That would be sweet! :love:

That would be sweet. :agree:

I also think that Hermione/Viktor was probably resolved before GoF ended, I just meant that if it wasn't it should definitely be by now. It seemed to me that Krum had an idea, at least that Ron didn't like him by the end of Goblet of Fire in this scene:
Ron looked as though he was suffering some sort of painful internal struggle. Krum had already started walking away when Ron burst out, "Can I have your autograph?"
Hermione turned away, smiling at the horseless carriages that were now trundlingtoward them up the drive, as Krum, looking surprised but gratified, signed a fragment of parchment for Ron.

Surprised but gratified. Why would he be surprised unless he knew of Ron's feelings toward him? Surely people ask him for an autograph all the time. And if he knew that Ron didn't like him, wouldn't he wonder why? I don't remember any instances in the book, either, that Ron was openly rude to Viktor's face, so unless Hermione told him, I don't see how he would know.

That's kind of what I'm thinking. I don't think it was something they discussed. More like a "silent agreement" similar to them dropping the issue after the Yule Brawl. But I do think that they both decided to repair their friendship before anything else. And I don't think either of them wanted to hurt Lavender any more than she already was - or give the appearance that her apparent accusation had any validity to it.:agree:

It's at the very end when Krum pulls Hermione away just before they leave. :) It just strikes me as odd that Krum basically disregards Ron up to that point and then, all of a sudden, he's relieved when Ron asks for his autograph.Oh, I know which part you were referring to, I just meant I will pay attention when I read that part, whether I get the same impression of Krum knowing Hermione fancies Ron.
The only reason I wonder about that particular letter is the fact that Hermione wouldn't let Ron see it. When he tried to look, she pulled it up where he couldn't see. So there was something there that she didn't want him to see and I don't believe it was confessions of undying love for Krum. ;):D I definitely don´t think it´s confession of undying love for Krum either. It could be, Hermione just thought it was undue for Ron to see a private exchange with a friend.
Not at that point. This would have been the following year and she and Krum had developed a friendship by then. I think Krum was long over Hermione at that point. But that was around Christmas in OotP, only a few months after Krum left Hogwarts. It is possible Krum was not completely over Hermione then.

It's definitely not a certainty because of Hermione's private nature. But if she talked to anyone about Ron, I would guess Krum simply because they are friends, he's neutral, and he could give her a male point of view. Harry would obviously be a better choice because he knows Ron so well, but the fact that he's friends with both of them could potentially put Harry in the middle and I think they both avoided that intentionally. And there's always the risk of Harry letting something slip. That would be another advantage to talking about it with Krum. ;)Yes. I don´t completely exclude the possibility she sought advice from Krum. If I recall correctly, that was on our question list for JKR. :) But isn´t that contradictory to the way Hermione handled the Ron-situation? She made quite some mistakes in OotP and HBP. Wouldn´t Krum have given her some better advice than being almost dismissive in the attempt to hide her own feelings? Unless, he has still his own agenda... ;) (no, I´m just kidding)

Oops, I totally missed where you mentioned the same passage I just posted. Sorry about that.

Well it will be resolved...no point holding grudges when there's a chance your going to die.

Wow, that didn't sound blunt.

:agree:

Oh, I know which part you were referring to, I just meant I will pay attention when I read that part, whether I get the same impression of Krum knowing Hermione fancies Ron.
:D

Gotcha. :)

I definitely don´t think it´s confession of undying love for Krum either. It could be, Hermione just thought it was undue for Ron to see a private exchange with a friend.
But that was around Christmas in OotP, only a few months after Krum left Hogwarts. It is possible Krum was not completely over Hermione then.

Possible, but it's not completely impossible that he was. For all we know, Krum met the girl of his dreams when he got back to Bulgaria. ;)

All I'm saying is that there is a possibility of her talking to Krum - if nothing else, venting her frustration.

Yes. I don´t completely exclude the possibility she sought advice from Krum. If I recall correctly, that was on our question list for JKR. :) But isn´t that contradictory to the way Hermione handled the Ron-situation? She made quite some mistakes in OotP and HBP. Wouldn´t Krum have given her some better advice than being almost dismissive in the attempt to hide her own feelings? Unless, he has still his own agenda... ;) (no, I´m just kidding)

That would depend on what Krum's advice was - if he gave any. If he advised her to just tell Ron how she felt, she most likely would not have taken that advice because she wasn't 100% sure of Ron's feelings. Hermione never takes action unless she's very, very sure that she's right. That's why she's always running to the library to double and triple check her facts. Unfortunately for her, there isn't a book in the library that will tell her "Are you blind? Of course he fancies you!" ;)

But I think that's just a slight possibility. It's far more likely that Hermione has been keeping it all bottled up and mucking through on her own. Asking for advice really isn't her style. But there is a slight possibility that Krum offered advice.

OK, I know this is fiction, but usually school sweethearts, no matter how much they love each other, stick together ofr three to six years and then break up... And then they marry other people. Especially if they have started as friends. I don't know many people who have ended up with their first serious boyfriend/girlfriend.

OK, I know this is fiction, but usually school sweethearts, no matter how much they love each other, stick together ofr three to six years and then break up... And then they marry other people. Especially if they have started as friends. I don't know many people who have ended up with their first serious boyfriend/girlfriend.I know two couples like this in real life, but nonetheless agree that's an exeption. :lol:

I also agree that JK writes a very 'real' fivtion, so you made agood point. But in this case I think it's possible that JK want them to be a longer couple. Actually I assume that's the reason why she put them together after both have made their first experiences with others. Most of the couples who don't stay after school, don't do because of the big chances in their personal lifes. We can't see that for Hermione and Ron yet. Their life already has changed a lot and they had to grow up quite early due to war times.

OK, I know this is fiction, but usually school sweethearts, no matter how much they love each other, stick together ofr three to six years and then break up... And then they marry other people. Especially if they have started as friends. I don't know many people who have ended up with their first serious boyfriend/girlfriend.

I know several myself. Both sets of grandparents, one of my uncles on my mom's side and my aunt on my dad's side, my best friend, and a few people that I've worked with over the years. It's rare, but it happens.

And it happens in the Potterverse. Jo has created a world with a very "Victorian" feel to it. And at that point in history it was more common for couples to get together and get married at a young age. In the Potterverse, there really isn't any reason for them to wait. Once they finish Hogwarts, they're pretty much done with their education and start their careers at 17-18. They are legally adults at 17 and go straight into adult life and responsibilities right out of Hogwarts.

And we have other examples of couples doing this. The Potters - got together in 7th year and married shortly after finishing Hogwarts. The Weasleys got together while they were at Hogwarts - married shortly after finishing - and are still happily married with 7 children. The Malfoys - going by the fact that Draco is the same age as Harry - apparently they married shortly after finishing school as well. Rudolphus and Bellatrix Lestrange are another possibility - both are mentioned as being at Hogwarts at the same time as Snape and apparently married shortly after finishing school.

In literature, you don't spend all that time building up a relationship only to break it up at the end. Jo chose to include romance in the story and has put a lot of time and effort into establishing the couples. It's too late to stray from the path she set because she put so much time and effort into it.

That's also why it has been dragged out for so long. They were simply too young to establish a long lasting relationship. She's shown them grow up with each other - get to know each other - discover feelings for each other - and so on. They haven't gotten together because they weren't ready. If they had gotten together before now, it probably wouldn't have lasted because they were still maturing and learning things about themselves.

And that kind of thing does happen in real life. I mentioned my best friend above. She didn't actually date her husband in high school. They were just friends, but she always had feelings for him. She just didn't think he returned them because he was older. Lucky chance - or fate - had her get a job after graduating where she ran into this guy again and she found out that he did have feelings for her. They were married a few months later and now have two beautiful children and have been married for about 14 years. And all of that happened within 1 year of graduating high school.

So it's not unrealistic - particularly with the Victorian type setting Jo has created. Jo has set the parameters to show couples getting together at school - apparently near the end - and then getting married soon after. It's not uncommon or unheard of.

meesha, we do basically agree on the issue of Hermione asking Krum for advice. I don´t rule it out completely. Actually, I like the idea of Hermione talking about Ron to Krum and Ron eventually finds out :D

And it happens in the Potterverse. Jo has created a world with a very "Victorian" feel to it. And at that point in history it was more common for couples to get together and get married at a young age. In the Potterverse, there really isn't any reason for them to wait. Once they finish Hogwarts, they're pretty much done with their education and start their careers at 17-18. They are legally adults at 17 and go straight into adult life and responsibilities right out of Hogwarts.

And we have other examples of couples doing this. The Potters - got together in 7th year and married shortly after finishing Hogwarts. The Weasleys got together while they were at Hogwarts - married shortly after finishing - and are still happily married with 7 children. The Malfoys - going by the fact that Draco is the same age as Harry - apparently they married shortly after finishing school as well. Rudolphus and Bellatrix Lestrange are another possibility - both are mentioned as being at Hogwarts at the same time as Snape and apparently married shortly after finishing school. Exactly. The Potters and the Weasleys are the two most prominent married couples in HP. The Potters don´t have that much page-time, but they are crucial to the story nevertheless, they are Harry´s parents after all. The Weasleys are Harry´s surrogate parents, so to say. These two prominent couples are the examples of people who met and started dating at school and then married young. Unfortunately, there was not really a 'happily ever after' for James and Lily, but it can be assumed that they were in a happy marriage, when they were killed. Arthur and Molly of course are proof of a successful, long-lasting, happy marriage.
It is therefore not unlikely, JKR will put Ron and Hermione (and Harry/Ginny as well for that matter) together for a long-lasting relationship, marriage and children included. And it would fit in the 'victorian' concept of her world.
They might still be very young, but they have already experienced more, gone through tougher times together, than many adult wizards and witches. This is something that bonds people.

In literature, you don't spend all that time building up a relationship only to break it up at the end. Jo chose to include romance in the story and has put a lot of time and effort into establishing the couples. It's too late to stray from the path she set because she put so much time and effort into it.I think, if JKR wants to stray from this path, she could. But I see no reason why she should. It is correct what you say, she has just spend too much effort and page time on the relationship of Ron and Hermione over at least three books. It would make little sense, if she had them have a mere teenage fling and then end it. Or worse, not getting together at all. That would just seem so senseless.
Ron and Hermione value their friendship over all. They would not get into a romance accepting the possibility that they would eventually break up anyway. That would endanger, maybe even destroy their friendship. No, they have to be sure to have a realistic chance. And I think by the end of HBP they are quite sure. There are still issues to be resolved, but JKR has put them in a situation where that is possible.

OK, I know this is fiction, but usually school sweethearts, no matter how much they love each other, stick together ofr three to six years and then break up... And then they marry other people. Especially if they have started as friends. I don't know many people who have ended up with their first serious boyfriend/girlfriend.

I know a few people who have, but that's not the point. It doesn't entirely matter whether or not it's your first relationship or not, what matters is if the time is right, and you're right for each other. They've reached a point where they have had all the experience they need to have a good relationship, and they were literally designed for each other. It's very far from being outside the realm of possibility, so it's very possible that Jo will choose this path.

meesha, we do basically agree on the issue of Hermione asking Krum for advice. I don´t rule it out completely. Actually, I like the idea of Hermione talking about Ron to Krum and Ron eventually finds out :D

The only thing that makes me question it is the fact that Hermione is so private. Then again, sometimes it's easier to open up to a pen pal than it is to open up to someone face to face.

Exactly. The Potters and the Weasleys are the two most prominent married couples in HP. The Potters don´t have that much page-time, but they are crucial to the story nevertheless, they are Harry´s parents after all. The Weasleys are Harry´s surrogate parents, so to say. These two prominent couples are the examples of people who met and started dating at school and then married young. Unfortunately, there was not really a 'happily ever after' for James and Lily, but it can be assumed that they were in a happy marriage, when they were killed. Arthur and Molly of course are proof of a successful, long-lasting, happy marriage.
It is therefore not unlikely, JKR will put Ron and Hermione (and Harry/Ginny as well for that matter) together for a long-lasting relationship, marriage and children included. And it would fit in the 'victorian' concept of her world.
They might still be very young, but they have already experienced more, gone through tougher times together, than many adult wizards and witches. This is something that bonds people.

Exactly. :agree:

I think, if JKR wants to stray from this path, she could. But I see no reason why she should. It is correct what you say, she has just spend too much effort and page time on the relationship of Ron and Hermione over at least three books. It would make little sense, if she had them have a mere teenage fling and then end it. Or worse, not getting together at all. That would just seem so senseless.

Because romance is such a minor part of the story, it's pretty much too late for this story. In order to change the couples, Jo would have to show them get together - have problems - break up. Like she did with Harry/Cho and Ron/Lavender. Then she would have to build new relationships from the ground up - establish mutual attraction, compatibility, etc... And that would take away from the overall plot.

Even if these were romance novels, it would be difficult to change the couples at the very end. Typically, when an author plans a twist like that, there are clues that allow the reader to see that the relationship being developed will not work out and another "candidate" established.

Ron and Hermione value their friendship over all. They would not get into a romance accepting the possibility that they would eventually break up anyway. That would endanger, maybe even destroy their friendship. No, they have to be sure to have a realistic chance. And I think by the end of HBP they are quite sure. There are still issues to be resolved, but JKR has put them in a situation where that is possible.

I agree. I think that's why they didn't get together sooner. Both of them value their friendship. Neither of them wanted to do anything to jeopardize that. So they've both been cautious - wanting to be sure before they did anything. That shows in HBP. We see it with Ron after Christmas. He misses Hermione and tries to fix things, but she's still made at him. We see it with Hermione after Ron is poisoned.

They do still have some issues to resolve, but they're ready to do that.

It doesn't entirely matter whether or not it's your first relationship or not, hat matters is if the time is right, and you're right for each other.

:agree: That's right, it's one of the most important factors in whether or not two people should get together. And now, after all Ron and Hermione went through in their six years of friendship, they're finally ready to be a couple. I can't wait to see exactly how they get together, I know I'll be grinning ear to ear when I'm reading it.

I know a few people who have, but that's not the point. It doesn't entirely matter whether or not it's your first relationship or not, hat matters is if the time is right, and you're right for each other. They've reached a point where they have had all the experience they need to have a good relationship, and they were literally designed for each other. It's very far from being outside the realm of possibility, so it's very possible that Jo will choose this path.

Oh, no, I'm positiv they'll end up together forever and marry and all that. I could see it coming ever since the first train journey. I just wanted to say that, sadly, that's not always the case in real life. The most of the couples I know spend three to six years with their first serious boyfriend/girlfriend and then break up. But that's definitely not the case with Ron and Hermione.

Oh, no, I'm positiv they'll end up together forever and marry and all that. I could see it coming ever since the first train journey. I just wanted to say that, sadly, that's not always the case in real life. The most of the couples I know spend three to six years with their first serious boyfriend/girlfriend and then break up. But that's definitely not the case with Ron and Hermione.

I guess we all misunderstood you. :)

I like how Jo has written Ron and Hermione because she made them best friends before anything else. Putting them through all those trials and tribulations only serves to make them a stronger couple when the actually do get together.

My mom's first boyfriend was my dad and they're still happily married, so it is possible for that to happen in real life.

Originally posted by meesha1971
I like how Jo has written Ron and Hermione because she made them best friends before anything else. Putting them through all those trials and tribulations only serves to make them a stronger couple when the actually do get together.


Totally agree with you!!!!

Thanks to baileycat @ fanforum.

In the latest newsletter from DR.com they touch on their exclusive visit to the Studio back in September where one of their staff members got to interview the cast and here's a little quote that I think you'll like...

I was also lucky enough to be able to chat with Daniel Radcliffe himself and got the answers to questions that YOU the fans have been pondering. I also interviewed Emma Watson, Evanna Lynch, Jason Issaics, Producer Davis Heyman, and a few others that I am not allowed to reveal just yet. We covered topics ranging from how characters have grown in Order of the Phoenix to how many children Ron and Hermione will have (wait until you hear Emma’s answer!).

I hope it is not like that movie with Tom Hanks (Castaway)...where at the end of the movie he delivers that one box he did not open.....and all i could do was wonder WHAT WAS IN THAT BOX....and it never showed what was actually in it......thats all i could think of after watching that movie....OK im getting to my point I have enjoyed Ron and Hermione in everyone of the books and I have emotionally went through all of the trials and tribulations of that relationship. I would hate it if them not coming together was not written in the same way all the other books have shown. I don't think Jo would do us that injustice as well. I think there will be more romantic tension to come before they are officially a couple and married and babies and all that good stuff to come.

Thanks to baileycat @ fanforum.

In the latest newsletter from DR.com they touch on their exclusive visit to the Studio back in September where one of their staff members got to interview the cast and here's a little quote that I think you'll like...

I was also lucky enough to be able to chat with Daniel Radcliffe himself and got the answers to questions that YOU the fans have been pondering. I also interviewed Emma Watson, Evanna Lynch, Jason Issaics, Producer Davis Heyman, and a few others that I am not allowed to reveal just yet. We covered topics ranging from how characters have grown in Order of the Phoenix to how many children Ron and Hermione will have (wait until you hear Emma’s answer!).

Now that's cool. We keep getting all these teaser reports about those set visits and exclusive interviews. When are they going to be allowed to post them? I'm dying to read them! :lol:

Thanks to baileycat @ fanforum.

In the latest newsletter from DR.com they touch on their exclusive visit to the Studio back in September where one of their staff members got to interview the cast and here's a little quote that I think you'll like...

I was also lucky enough to be able to chat with Daniel Radcliffe himself and got the answers to questions that YOU the fans have been pondering. I also interviewed Emma Watson, Evanna Lynch, Jason Issaics, Producer Davis Heyman, and a few others that I am not allowed to reveal just yet. We covered topics ranging from how characters have grown in Order of the Phoenix to how many children Ron and Hermione will have (wait until you hear Emma’s answer!).Oh, now you have me very curious. :D I hope the HP sites are allowed to publish their set reports soon. I don´t visit DR sites normally, but I guess these reports will be on other sites as well?

I recall having read a few months ago (was it on JKR´s website? Have to look it up), that JK visited the set, spoke to a few actors, among other things she talked to Emma about Hermione´s love life. I wonder what exactly they talked. Could JKR possibly have told Emma a bit of what happens with Ron and Hermione in DH? I want to know now. I don´t care about spoilers, I want to know now!

I hope it is not like that movie with Tom Hanks (Castaway)...where at the end of the movie he delivers that one box he did not open.....and all i could do was wonder WHAT WAS IN THAT BOX....and it never showed what was actually in it......thats all i could think of after watching that movie....OK im getting to my point I have enjoyed Ron and Hermione in everyone of the books and I have emotionally went through all of the trials and tribulations of that relationship. I would hate it if them not coming together was not written in the same way all the other books have shown. I don't think Jo would do us that injustice as well. I think there will be more romantic tension to come before they are officially a couple and married and babies and all that good stuff to come.
Well, I think marriage and babies will have to wait, but I stick to my feeling that they will get together quite early in the book.

I don´t think JKR will not have them get together. All her building up this relationship would be in vain. That would make no sense from a literary point of view. It would not serve any purpose within the main plot. While an acutal Ron and Hermione relationship could serve several purposes:

- lighten up an already very dark book

- Ron and Hermione drawing strength out of their relationship and thus being able to support Harry at their best

- showing Harry 'the power of Love' (sounds sappy, I know) and making him reconsider his stupid noble wrong decision to break up with Ginny

- ah, yes, and of course: making us very very happy

I guess we all misunderstood you. :)

I like how Jo has written Ron and Hermione because she made them best friends before anything else. Putting them through all those trials and tribulations only serves to make them a stronger couple when the actually do get together.



I think so too. If they had gotten together early on it would've ended with all of the bickering and they wouldn't be as close as they are now. Now they have had a chance to get to know each others personalities. It reminds me of when I was in grade school and the boy pulled your hair if he liked you:D so cute!

Well, it's just that by this point hey don't need to do any more maturing, and they won't have to go through things like their first big fight or anything that could break them up. If it was going to hurt their relationship, it would have hurt their friendship.

Now that's cool. We keep getting all these teaser reports about those set visits and exclusive interviews. When are they going to be allowed to post them? I'm dying to read them! :lol:

Perhaps it has something to do with WB and releasing material that it's not approved until promotion starts. {removed by staff}
How many babies do you think r&hr WILL HAVE?

I expect Ron and Hermoine will get married when Bill and Fleur do. They'll be adults, and since they aren't returning to school, there won't be any reason to put it off. As Mrs. Weasley says, people rush wedding plans in such times and they plan to accompany Harry on his journey to find and destroy the remaining Horcruxes, which could lead to death for them.

Well, though I think they're ready for a serious relationship and a wedding might not be terribly far off into the future, it's a bit soon for marriage at this point. Not to mention the time is inconvenient. Getting together at all will be enough of a relief for them, and whether they are married or not, they will know that the other knows how they feel if either of them dies tomorrow. Marriage will come later, after they're home and settled and at some time when they can enjoy a nice long honeymoon!

I don't think they will be getting married quite that fast. I think that they are smart enough to realize they need to spend a little time as a 'couple' before they do that! Besides I know Hermione isn't dumb enough to want Fleur that angry with her! Can you imagine the look on her face if Ron and Hermione informed her they were crashing her wedding and getting married at the same time?

Too soon...they will probably be sharing thier first kiss at the wedding or informing thier relationship to the Weasleys. Nothing too serious to make Fleur mad. I doubt she'd get mad in the first place...but, yeah....they have to have couple time. I actually can see them getting married a year or two after they take care of the Horcrux and Voldemort businesss.

I expect Ron and Hermoine will get married when Bill and Fleur do. They'll be adults, and since they aren't returning to school, there won't be any reason to put it off. As Mrs. Weasley says, people rush wedding plans in such times and they plan to accompany Harry on his journey to find and destroy the remaining Horcruxes, which could lead to death for them.

An interesting idea, but I don't think they'll go from nothing to marriage that quickly. I think they'll get together early on - definitely by the wedding, if not before. I wouldn't rule out a proposal somewhere along the line, but I don't think they'll get married right away. I still think that the epilogue could very well be either Harry and Ginny getting married or Ron and Hermione getting married.

Yeah, I'm more likely to believe that they or Harry and Ginny will be married in the epilogue, rather than the beginning of the book, it's just too soon. It would be a very awkward transition, their relationship advancing from a snail's pace to a racecar that abruptly. In the epilogue I can totally see it, though.

Yeah, Harry will be too busy for a marriage in the beginning and middle of the book. Now, R/Hr on the other hand, they could, but I think Jo should leave that until the epilouge. But, Molly Weasley did say that she and Arthur were made for each other, and they got married early, so.....Anything's possible! :eyebrows:

Yeah, Harry will be too busy for a marriage in the beginning and middle of the book. Now, R/Hr on the other hand, they could, but I think Jo should leave that until the epilouge. But, Molly Weasley did say that she and Arthur were made for each other, and they got married early, so.....Anything's possible! :eyebrows:

I don't see any marriages in book seven, unless maybe Remus and Tonks. I agree that the primary marriages will be outlined in the epilogue only. Deathly Hallows is about Voldermort, not romance. I think JKR got the romances out of the way in Half Blood Prince and now needs to concentrate on the destruction of the Horcruxes and ultimately Voldermort.

Any romantic situations between Ron and Hermione or Harry and Ginny will be to support the Voldermort plot line, and a marriage won't do much to move that along. By that I mean that Ron and Hermione will get together early in book seven because they need to be united to help Harry and their UST is causing them to bicker and distract Harry from what he needs to do. Ron and Hermione don't need to be married to acknowledge their feelings for each other and work together to help Harry. Harry and Ginny will only get together again when it's necessary for Harry to realize that love is a powerful weapon and Ginny gives him strength against Voldermort.

I don't see any marriages in book seven, unless maybe Remus and Tonks. I agree that the primary marriages will be outlined in the epilogue only. Deathly Hallows is about Voldermort, not romance. I think JKR got the romances out of the way in Half Blood Prince and now needs to concentrate on the destruction of the Horcruxes and ultimately Voldermort.

Any romantic situations between Ron and Hermione or Harry and Ginny will be to support the Voldermort plot line, and a marriage won't do much to move that along. By that I mean that Ron and Hermione will get together early in book seven because they need to be united to help Harry and their UST is causing them to bicker and distract Harry from what he needs to do. Ron and Hermione don't need to be married to acknowledge their feelings for each other and work together to help Harry. Harry and Ginny will only get together again when it's necessary for Harry to realize that love is a powerful weapon and Ginny gives him strength against Voldermort.I absolutely agree. We won´t see much romance in DH anyway. I think, JKR has dealt with that in HBP. That was the book in which she dealt with her romances and resolved the shipping issues. Bill and Fleur engaged, Lupin and Tonks together, Harry and Ginny together and (temporarily :cool: ) apart, Ron and Hermione on the brink of a relationship, only one step further to do early in DH.

We will be having Bill and Fleur´s wedding, and I guess that is the last point in time of the story we will see romance. After that it will take place mainly offpage. Ron and Hermione might already get together before the wedding and only family and friends learn of it at the wedding, Harry might have a chat with Ginny. I have heard suggestions that Lupin and Tonks could get married on that day, but I don´t think they would want to steal Fleur and Bill the show.

I absolutely agree. We won´t see much romance in DH anyway. I think, JKR has dealt with that in HBP. That was the book in which she dealt with her romances and resolved the shipping issues. Bill and Fleur engaged, Lupin and Tonks together, Harry and Ginny together and (temporarily :cool: ) apart, Ron and Hermione on the brink of a relationship, only one step further to do early in DH.

We will be having Bill and Fleur´s wedding, and I guess that is the last point in time of the story we will see romance. After that it will take place mainly offpage. Ron and Hermione might already get together before the wedding and only family and friends learn of it at the wedding, Harry might have a chat with Ginny. I have heard suggestions that Lupin and Tonks could get married on that day, but I don´t think they would want to steal Fleur and Bill the show.

Oops! Forgot about Bill and Fleur's wedding - we'll definitely see that one. I really hope Remus and Tonks don't get married on the same day - too cutesy.

lol.

Well, I am all for the romance, but I also love the action and the dark drama that takes place. I want to read a book that has more action than love, though books need that stuff. I am thinking it'll only be in the beggining with the wedding and all..then just more serious the rest.

I would like some cuteness, though not much, spread throughout the book. If Harry is having a dull moment in the middle, give us something cute, that's what I say.

I want more action than romance but I would prefer an equal distribution of different themes with romance and comedy included between the lines. :D

I want more action than romance but I would prefer an equal distribution of different themes with romance and comedy included between the lines. :D

Definitely. And, really, that's what Jo has always done. HBP kind of shifted the balance a bit with romance, but that was necessary for character development. I think DH will return to a more balanced format - similar to GOF and OOTP. The action will be at the forefront but there will be some romance and comedy spread throughout.

Definitely. And, really, that's what Jo has always done. HBP kind of shifted the balance a bit with romance, but that was necessary for character development. I think DH will return to a more balanced format - similar to GOF and OOTP. The action will be at the forefront but there will be some romance and comedy spread throughout.

I'd love it if DH turns out like OotP. In my opinion, GoF was definitely balanced but I didn't think it was equally distributed. There was romance with the Yule Ball and everything but in the end, it was mostly action etc. And HBP, as you said, had too much romance (but it did serve a purpose). OotP was perfectly balanced in my eyes.

I think it will be quite easy to keep the balance in DH now because Jo already included the character development in HBP so all she has to do is maintain the story and throw in bits of romantic themes every once in a while. :D

I'd love it if DH turns out like OotP. In my opinion, GoF was definitely balanced but I didn't think it was equally distributed. There was romance with the Yule Ball and everything but in the end, it was mostly action etc. And HBP, as you said, had too much romance (but it did serve a purpose). OotP was perfectly balanced in my eyes.

I think it will be quite easy to keep the balance in DH now because Jo already included the character development in HBP so all she has to do is maintain the story and throw in bits of romantic themes every once in a while. :D

That was pretty much my point. Overall, there has been a good balance between the various themes. Occasionally one gets more focus, but that is realistic - particularly with teenagers. I remember going back and forth quite a bit as a teenager and I see my son doing that now. One week, the single most important thing in his life is whether or not he'll be able to compete in the Hero Clicks tournament - life or death situation there - at least to him. ;) The next week, the single most important thing in his life is whether or not the girl he likes will go out with him - and, again, it's life or death. The teenage years are a constant shift of balance - which is the primary reason I wouldn't go back to that time in my life if somebody offered to pay me. I had fun, but I don't miss the extremes. :lol:

HBP was a turning point in that regard - the ending of the teenage years so to speak. In DH, they'll all be legally adults. And we see that shift in attitude and behavior towards the end of HBP. They are more mature and better able to prioritize. I think that will make the difference in DH and bring about a greater balance.

That was pretty much my point. Overall, there has been a good balance between the various themes. Occasionally one gets more focus, but that is realistic - particularly with teenagers. I remember going back and forth quite a bit as a teenager and I see my son doing that now. One week, the single most important thing in his life is whether or not he'll be able to compete in the Hero Clicks tournament - life or death situation there - at least to him. ;) The next week, the single most important thing in his life is whether or not the girl he likes will go out with him - and, again, it's life or death. The teenage years are a constant shift of balance - which is the primary reason I wouldn't go back to that time in my life if somebody offered to pay me. I had fun, but I don't miss the extremes. :lol:

HBP was a turning point in that regard - the ending of the teenage years so to speak. In DH, they'll all be legally adults. And we see that shift in attitude and behavior towards the end of HBP. They are more mature and better able to prioritize. I think that will make the difference in DH and bring about a greater balance.

:rotfl: I am like that currently. Everything and anything is a life and death situation. I really agree with Jo's way of handling the situation. It wouldn't be as interesting and realistic if Jo made her characters mature when they were 11. HBP was the right choice indeed. And it would definitely not be pleasing if Jo had postponed the character development and included it in DH because, IMO, it would ruin the main plotline and purpose of the last book.

:rotfl: I am like that currently. Everything and anything is a life and death situation. I really agree with Jo's way of handling the situation. It wouldn't be as interesting and realistic if Jo made her characters mature when they were 11. HBP was the right choice indeed. And it would definitely not be pleasing if Jo had postponed the character development and included it in DH because, IMO, it would ruin the main plotline and purpose of the last book.
JKR needed them as mature as possible by the end of HBP, for them to be able to do what has to be done in DH. Being of age and thus allowed to do magic outside of Hogwarts is just not enough. Harry, Ron and Hermione have a task before them that is demanding even for adults with much more life (and fighting) experience. But in the wizarding world, people grow up faster anyway. They leave school when they are around 18 and take up full-time jobs almost immediately. And, as shown with James/Lily and Arthur/Molly, they marry quite early. Not all of them (Bill is already in his late twenties, if I am correct), but a lot of them.

That is why JKR needed to have Ron and Hermione more mature not only as individuals, but also as a (future) couple. They had to be at a point where they can start a serious relationship, with the chance of staying together, and not having just a teenage crush, which could, when it ended, destroy their friendship. That is why I´m thinking of a possible future marriage for them. Not as early as Bill and Fleur´s wedding, but maybe in the epilogue. In real life it might be unusual or rare for them to meet at eleven, fall in love sometime in between, start a relationship with 17 and marry sometime after. But this is literature, and JKR has set them up for a long-lasting relationship, IMO.

Still voting for them getting together on the train ride home.

About getting together, aren't they together already? I was left with that impression, Ron was embracing Hermione and stroking her hair, so they had made up, and they know perfectly well how they feel about each other, so I guess there was nothing else for them to do...

It was more of a start than meaning they are officially together...a very goods start. 'Cause, now...they cant hide it!:clap:

About getting together, aren't they together already? I was left with that impression, Ron was embracing Hermione and stroking her hair, so they had made up, and they know perfectly well how they feel about each other, so I guess there was nothing else for them to do...

Ron and Hermione have behaved like a couple for years - there were a lot of people who thought they got together in OOTP and kept it a secret. HBP squashed that idea. ;)

However, I agree that they have reached the point where they know how they feel - and they have a pretty good idea how the other feels. The only thing left is for them to resolve the issue of Krum and Lavender, tell each other how they feel, and make it official. :)

I think Ron and Hermione are definatly are going to get together. Who knows how many clues Jo dropped that that going to happen. I think it will happen at Bill and Fleur's wedding where I also think disaster will strike. All my fellow Hp-freaks at school also think they should be together. We even started calling Hermione: Hermione Weasley.

This is my first post so please be gentle with me LOL.

Here is my idea on The Ron/Hermonie "moment" Rather than Harry being the one to overhear the declaration of love between R/Hr it would be great for HR to be the one who overhears a conversation between H & R. The train would be a great setting.

Ron has been a little ill at ease with HR since the funeral, Hr gets up from her seat and tells Ron that it is time to perform prefect duties, Ron tells Hermonie that he will follow shortly, Hr looks a little puzzled but starts to leave, Ron gazes at her back as she leaves. "You need to tell her how you feel mate", says Harry ernestly, "I know" says Ron "but how do you tell your best friend you have loved her since the first moment you saw her" Ron runs his fingers through his hair and begins to stare out the window. Harry glances towards the door and says "maybe you won't have to" Ron follows Harry's gaze to Hermonie standing at the door, with a smile on her face ,her eyes glazed with unspent tears. "um I'll just be getting something from the trolley" mutters Harry, as he walks out of the carriage, as he leaves he looks at the reflection of the door and sees Ron and Hermonie entangled in a passionate embrace....

Well anyway, I'm no JKR but you get the picture!

This is my first post so please be gentle with me LOL.

Here is my idea on The Ron/Hermonie "moment" Rather than Harry being the one to overhear the declaration of love between R/Hr it would be great for HR to be the one who overhears a conversation between H & R. The train would be a great setting.

Ron has been a little ill at ease with HR since the funeral, Hr gets up from her seat and tells Ron that it is time to perform prefect duties, Ron tells Hermonie that he will follow shortly, Hr looks a little puzzled but starts to leave, Ron gazes at her back as she leaves. "You need to tell her how you feel mate", says Harry ernestly, "I know" says Ron "but how do you tell your best friend you have loved her since the first moment you saw her" Ron runs his fingers through his hair and begins to stare out the window. Harry glances towards the door and says "maybe you won't have to" Ron follows Harry's gaze to Hermonie standing at the door, with a smile on her face ,her eyes glazed with unspent tears. "um I'll just be getting something from the trolley" mutters Harry, as he walks out of the carriage, as he leaves he looks at the reflection of the door and sees Ron and Hermonie entangled in a passionate embrace....

Well anyway, I'm no JKR but you get the picture!

Ah, I loved it!:love: I personally hope it will happen at B/F's wedding, just because a wedding is a pretty romantic event!!!!!!! Wherever it happens, I hope it's done justice, I have been waiting for years for them to admit their feelings for one another, and finally we can see their beautiful, yet bittersweet love come to fruition. I say bittersweet, just because of the accusations, fights, all the heartache they have caused each other, it now needs to be put to a good cause. In OOTP, sure they weren't together, but that one liner (or two) pretty much said it all for me (and I find it comical that OOTP is the bible of another ship, that shall not be mentioned :eyebrows:) "'What do you think about this?' Hermione demanded of Ron, and Harry was reminded irresistibly of Mrs Weasley appealing to her husband during Harry's first dinner in Grimmauld Place." I didn't need to see them snogging, or screaming at each other to get the picture!

Ron and Hermione have behaved like a couple for years - there were a lot of people who thought they got together in OOTP and kept it a secret. I´ve heard about this. But I wonder, what exactly made them think so?

I don´t think they are already together either. They are very close to being together at the end of HBP, and they have acted like a couple anyway from book 1 onwards. They could theoretically already have resolved their issues (Krum, Lavender) offpage and gotten together, but JKR has given us all of the grand Ron/Hermione moments so far, and the embrace at Dumbledore´s funeral was certainly one of them, but I don´t think she would deny us the big big one. The first kiss. And if Ron and Hermione had gotten together at any point prior to Dumbledore´s funeral, Harry would have found out somehow. They would have told him, I guess.

I´ve heard about this. But I wonder, what exactly made them think so?

I'm not really sure. I remember debating that on the old Love Thread prior to HBP being released. If I remember correctly, a lot of it was simply from their behavior towards each other in OOTP. But there were quite a few who thought Ron and Hermione had already gotten together and just chose to keep it a secret for some reason. I never agreed with that. Perhaps Deevo can shed some light on that since he was one of them. :)

I don´t think they are already together either. They are very close to being together at the end of HBP, and they have acted like a couple anyway from book 1 onwards. They could theoretically already have resolved their issues (Krum, Lavender) offpage and gotten together, but JKR has given us all of the grand Ron/Hermione moments so far, and the embrace at Dumbledore´s funeral was certainly one of them, but I don´t think she would deny us the big big one. The first kiss. And if Ron and Hermione had gotten together at any point prior to Dumbledore´s funeral, Harry would have found out somehow. They would have told him, I guess.

I agree. I do think that the majority of their issues will be resolved off page, but the big moment will be on page. I simply can't see her putting all this time and effort into building up that relationship and not giving them a big on page moment together - particularly the first kiss. :love:

And there's still a very tiny hope that she'll give us a chapter from their point of view. Very, very tiny - but hope. :)

I don't think they're together yet, but the end of HBP was certainly a big moment. Before that, though, definitely not. They just weren't ready for it, and they are now. I never thought they were together in secret, because that would be wierd. They've always been the most important characters after Harry and Voldemort, and I just can't see something so important happening to them without us knowing.

Harry is going to see Ron and Hermione from Summer vacation having elopted and went to Vegas to get married :lol:
The thing is, I don't know how Hermione would open her heart to him so soon after what she had to go through with Ron and Lavendar. Imagine being best friends with the guy you really like, all along him showing signs that he likes you too, then suddenly one day you seem him making out with a girl he's never shown the slightest interest in before? That has to be very hurtful. Hermione must have cried a lot even when we didn't see her, when she was alone in her dormitory.


Hey, doesn't she share a dorm room with Lavendar? Remember in OOTP when Harry went up to his dormitory after the first feast and found out that Seamus didn't wanna share the room with Harry, next morning, Hermione came down from her dormitory, telling Harry that Lavendar didn't trust Harry either, so she told Lavender to shut her mouth.
I feel sorry for Hermione if indeed one of the girls she shares her dorm with is Lavendar. That has to be awkward, and I'm sure Lavendar didn't care about Hermione's feelings.

During the shipping wars, many R\Hr folks (including me) came to the conclusion that Ron and Hermoine weren't actually "dating" in OoTP; but that they weren't looking around for anyone else a the time. We just thought that with the strength of their friendship and the apparent attraction that things would probably be settled early in HBP. Oh how wrong we were (thanks JKR).

Harry was obsessed with dealing with his inner demons. I just sort of figured, considering how much development JKR had put into R\Hr that she would not want to stretch it out much longer. Again...WRONG.:) I believe it was wishful thinking on my part.

There was very little romance in OoTP, which only added to the intensity of the shipping debates.

I'm not really sure. I remember debating that on the old Love Thread prior to HBP being released. If I remember correctly, a lot of it was simply from their behavior towards each other in OOTP. But there were quite a few who thought Ron and Hermione had already gotten together and just chose to keep it a secret for some reason. I never agreed with that. Perhaps Deevo can shed some light on that since he was one of them. Yes, where is Deevo when you need him?:D

Harry is going to see Ron and Hermione from Summer vacation having elopted and went to Vegas to get married :lol:
The thing is, I don't know how Hermione would open her heart to him so soon after what she had to go through with Ron and Lavendar. Imagine being best friends with the guy you really like, all along him showing signs that he likes you too, then suddenly one day you seem him making out with a girl he's never shown the slightest interest in before? That has to be very hurtful. Hermione must have cried a lot even when we didn't see her, when she was alone in her dormitory. Gretna Green is nearer than Las Vegas. :love:

I think, Ron and Hermione have already repaired their friendship since Ron´s poisoning. Hermione has heard Ron muttering 'Er-my-nee', when he was unconscious, and she has seen first-hand how he avoided Lavender and how he got more and more annoyed with that 'relationship'.
Hermione is a clever girl. She will have realized that she is, at least partly, responsible for the situation as well. She was too dismissive and cold towards Ron. Her behaviour changed significantly after the poisoning, therefore I think she realized what mistakes she made. How hard it undoubtedly was for her (I shudder when thinking that she even had to share a dorm with Lavender. I really hope Lavender was not going on about how sweet Ron was, and what a good kisser et al), she knows by now that Ron did not start snogging Lavender with the intent on hurting Hermione. Of course, a lot of mutual hurting went on after the canary-incident (mocking each other in class, Hermione inviting McLaggen to the party et al), but they both gave as good as they took. They are beyond that now. I think Hermione has forgiven Ron and is ready for a relationship, but I do think she is reluctant to make the first move. That is up to Ron now.

Yes, where is Deevo when you need him?:D

Gretna Green is nearer than Las Vegas. :love:

I think, Ron and Hermione have already repaired their friendship since Ron´s poisoning. Hermione has heard Ron muttering 'Er-my-nee', when he was unconscious, and she has seen first-hand how he avoided Lavender and how he got more and more annoyed with that 'relationship'.
Hermione is a clever girl. She will have realized that she is, at least partly, responsible for the situation as well. She was too dismissive and cold towards Ron. Her behaviour changed significantly after the poisoning, therefore I think she realized what mistakes she made. How hard it undoubtedly was for her (I shudder when thinking that she even had to share a dorm with Lavender. I really hope Lavender was not going on about how sweet Ron was, and what a good kisser et al), she knows by now that Ron did not start snogging Lavender with the intent on hurting Hermione. Of course, a lot of mutual hurting went on after the canary-incident (mocking each other in class, Hermione inviting McLaggen to the party et al), but they both gave as good as they took. They are beyond that now. I think Hermione has forgiven Ron and is ready for a relationship, but I do think she is reluctant to make the first move. That is up to Ron now.

Your avatar is awesome :) "finally snog" lol
But thats the thing though, why did Ron start snogging Lavender if it wasn't to make Hermione jealous or hurt her? I read in the couples/relationships section on mugglenet that Ron did it to make her jealous. If he didn't start snogging Lavendar with the intent to hurt or make her jealous, then did he snog her because he actually likes Lavender? I never thought he really liked her, it seemed like he was upset when Ginny was making fun of him for not having kissed anyone, and that even Hermione had kissed Krum, which drove him to be with the first girl willing to snog him. Yes, there was a lot of mutual hurt going on, but I think Ron's swipes were a lot harsher that Hermiones (making fun of her in class and having students laugh at her).
They are beyond all that I guess because of all the crazy and frightening things going on, but still, both their behavior really surprised me in HBP. I guess jealousy and being scathed will affect even the cleverest of witches.
Ya, and the whole wondering of if Hermione shares the dorm with Lavender, I'm guessing she probably does. It would be odd to think of her as sharing her dorm with 4 other Gryffyndors we've never heard of before.

I think, Ron and Hermione have already repaired their friendship since Ron´s poisoning. Hermione has heard Ron muttering 'Er-my-nee', when he was unconscious, and she has seen first-hand how he avoided Lavender and how he got more and more annoyed with that 'relationship'.
Hermione is a clever girl. She will have realized that she is, at least partly, responsible for the situation as well. She was too dismissive and cold towards Ron. Her behaviour changed significantly after the poisoning, therefore I think she realized what mistakes she made. How hard it undoubtedly was for her (I shudder when thinking that she even had to share a dorm with Lavender. I really hope Lavender was not going on about how sweet Ron was, and what a good kisser et al), she knows by now that Ron did not start snogging Lavender with the intent on hurting Hermione. Of course, a lot of mutual hurting went on after the canary-incident (mocking each other in class, Hermione inviting McLaggen to the party et al), but they both gave as good as they took. They are beyond that now. I think Hermione has forgiven Ron and is ready for a relationship, but I do think she is reluctant to make the first move. That is up to Ron now.

I am not sure who will make the first move. Ron tried to make the first move in repairing their friendship after the Holidays in HBP but Hermoine wasn't ready to let go of her grudge. Hermoine can be very judgemental and unforgiving on occasion. Ron, on the other hand can be insensitive and rude. Both changed alot since the poisoning. Ron even went out of his way to be nice to Luna!

I would like seeing Ron do something rather heroic (save a life, defeat a Deatheater...)or maybe give Hermoine some real encouragement when she needs it like he did with Buckbeak and have Hermoine run up and give him a big kiss. But JKR hasn't really given Ron too many things like that, so I figure Ron will the first to give in.:lol:

JKR says she patterned Hermoine after herself, so I wouldn't blame her if she has Ron (patterned after her old friend Sean) make the decisive move. JKR is a little old fashioned that way.:lol:

Your avatar is awesome :) "finally snog" lol
But thats the thing though, why did Ron start snogging Lavender if it wasn't to make Hermione jealous or hurt her? I read in the couples/relationships section on mugglenet that Ron did it to make her jealous. If he didn't start snogging Lavendar with the intent to hurt or make her jealous, then did he snog her because he actually likes Lavender? I never thought he really liked her, it seemed like he was upset when Ginny was making fun of him for not having kissed anyone, and that even Hermione had kissed Krum, which drove him to be with the first girl willing to snog him. Yes, there was a lot of mutual hurt going on, but I think Ron's swipes were a lot harsher that Hermiones (making fun of her in class and having students laugh at her).
They are beyond all that I guess because of all the crazy and frightening things going on, but still, both their behavior really surprised me in HBP. I guess jealousy and being scathed will affect even the cleverest of witches.

Ron started dating Lavender because he gave up. He thought Hermione had lied to him about Krum - he felt that he couldn't compete with Krum - he felt that Hermione didn't have any faith in him because she implied that the only reason he played Quidditch well was because Harry had given him Felix Felicis. Add to that the fact that she has ignored him, snapped at him, etc... to hide her feelings. She hid her feelings so well that he thought he would never have a chance. He began to question her vague invitation to Slughorn's party and came to the conclusion that it was a "pity date" and she only asked him because they were friends and she felt sorry for him. He didn't believe she had feelings for him and decided she would never return his feelings.

Lavender openly flirted with him and complimented him. She soothed his bruised ego. He didn't have feelings for her, but had decided that he didn't have a chance with Hermione so he might as well go out with someone who did like him. He settled. He wasn't trying to hurt Hermione - he didn't believe that he could. The fact that he did hurt her was what made him realize he was wrong. But he was still too hurt and angry himself to admit that at first.

Ya, and the whole wondering of if Hermione shares the dorm with Lavender, I'm guessing she probably does. It would be odd to think of her as sharing her dorm with 4 other Gryffyndors we've never heard of before.

Hermione does share a dorm room with Lavender and Parvatti. There are also two other girls in the room with them who have never been mentioned in the books. Jo was supposed to bring information about them to the Mugglenet/TLC interview, but she forgot. She's supposed to put that on her website, but hasn't yet.

Your avatar is awesome :) "finally snog" lol
But thats the thing though, why did Ron start snogging Lavender if it wasn't to make Hermione jealous or hurt her? I read in the couples/relationships section on mugglenet that Ron did it to make her jealous. If he didn't start snogging Lavendar with the intent to hurt or make her jealous, then did he snog her because he actually likes Lavender? I never thought he really liked her, it seemed like he was upset when Ginny was making fun of him for not having kissed anyone, and that even Hermione had kissed Krum, which drove him to be with the first girl willing to snog him. I think it is much more complicated than just Ron wanting to make Hermione jealous with Lavender. To make someone jealous, you have to believe that this someone might be romantically interested in you in the first place. I think, Ron had convinced himself that Hermione wasn´t interested in him romantically. When she invited him first to the Slughorn party, that was meant as a date, and I think Ron realized that. But then everything sort of went down. Quidditch practise was awful, Ginny had already yelled at him infront of all his team mates, then he runs in on Ginny and Dean snogging and reacts peed. Ginny defends herself, they start a fight, Ginny humiliates and mocks Ron. She calls him on his inexperience, infront of his best mate moreover, and then she delivers the big blow. Hermione snogged Krum.
Ron had asked Hermione repeatedly about Krum and Hermione had always insisted on just being friends with Krum. Now he learns that they snogged. To Ron, that must have looked like Hermione had deliberately lied to him about the nature of her relationship with Krum. Krum has always been Ron´s sore point. Ron feels he cannot compete with Krum. Krum is older, rich, famous and experienced. Ron feels he is none of that. He is younger, even a few months younger than Hermione, he is poor, and his sister had just eloquently reminded him of his inexperience. All of that is not really important to Hermione of course, but Ron still had to learn that. But at that point he must have thought, Hermione´s invitation to Slughorn´s party was not a date, but just as friends. He began to doubt, and gave Hermione the cold-shoulder. The last straw was after the Quidditch match, when Hermione confronted Harry about feeding Ron the Felix Felicis. To Ron, it looked like Hermione had no trust in his Quidditch abilities, as if she thought he could only play good when he drinks a lucky potion. Then there was Lavender, who has openly flirted with him since the beginning of the school year. If Hermione wasn´t interested anyway, why not give it a try? And, to kill two birds with one stone, to show his sister and Hermione that there was a girl who actually wanted to snog him. That is what I think led to the Lav-Lav debacle.

Yes, there was a lot of mutual hurt going on, but I think Ron's swipes were a lot harsher that Hermiones (making fun of her in class and having students laugh at her). Ron making fun of her in class was incredibly rude, but I would like to point out that it was in retaliation for Hermione laughing at thim, when he got himself a handlebar-moustache instead of yellow eye-brows. As I said, they both gave as much as they took. Hermione´s comment of only being interested in 'really good Quidditch players' wasn´t the sweetest thing either. She knew very well how she could hurt Ron and she drove the point home skillfully. But I don´t blame her. She was very hurt, and what´s the saying? Hell hath no fury than a hurt woman (or something along those lines).

I am not sure who will make the first move. Ron tried to make the first move in repairing their friendship after the Holidays in HBP but Hermoine wasn't ready to let go of her grudge. Hermoine can be very judgemental and unforgiving on occasion. Ron, on the other hand can be insensitive and rude. Both changed alot since the poisoning. Ron even went out of his way to be nice to Luna!Yes, they are both over that now. My guess on Ron making the move is, because it is his turn. Hermione tried with the invitation to the Christmas party but it obviously didn´t work out.

I´ve heard about this. But I wonder, what exactly made them think so?
Well, I can't speak for anyone else but I got that impression from the way they interacted after they were out of the hospital. Nothing specific, though I figured with all that time lying around without much to do there might have been some heavy duty communicating going on.

I don´t think they are already together either. They are very close to being together at the end of HBP, and they have acted like a couple anyway from book 1 onwards.
:agree:

They could theoretically already have resolved their issues (Krum, Lavender) offpage and gotten together, but JKR has given us all of the grand Ron/Hermione moments so far, and the embrace at Dumbledore´s funeral was certainly one of them, but I don´t think she would deny us the big big one. The first kiss.
Indeed, she said the Harry Ginny kiss was an enjoyable scene to write and though that was on the cards since Philosopher's Stone it hasn't been brewing with the same tension or dynamic that Ron and Hermione have been. I think Jo will have some fun bringing us that scene.

And if Ron and Hermione had gotten together at any point prior to Dumbledore´s funeral, Harry would have found out somehow. They would have told him, I guess.
:agree: Almost definitely, they're too interconnected now, especially after Half Blood Prince where Harry has really if not removed then certainly reduced the barriers between himself and them, to be hiding something of this magnitude

I'm not really sure. I remember debating that on the old Love Thread prior to HBP being released. If I remember correctly, a lot of it was simply from their behavior towards each other in OOTP. But there were quite a few who thought Ron and Hermione had already gotten together and just chose to keep it a secret for some reason. I never agreed with that. Perhaps Deevo can shed some light on that since he was one of them. :)
Like I said it was never anything specific, just the way they were interacting combined with a good bit of alone time in the hospital wing that could have allowed for some serious communicating. I don't think they'd have kept it hidden from Harry so much as sorting out where they stood themselves before including him. As it was the idea was completely shot down anyway. I was wrong, plain and simple, if only some others involved in those debates could use those three words.

I agree. I do think that the majority of their issues will be resolved off page, but the big moment will be on page. I simply can't see her putting all this time and effort into building up that relationship and not giving them a big on page moment together - particularly the first kiss. :love:
Oh absolutely, not long now till we find out.

And there's still a very tiny hope that she'll give us a chapter from their point of view. Very, very tiny - but hope. :)
Indeed, like I said earlier though, were she to pen such a scene it would have to be of major plot related significance and not just as a reason to get the two of them in an intimate situation, though that would be a good side effect :eyebrows:.

During the shipping wars, many R\Hr folks (including me) came to the conclusion that Ron and Hermoine weren't actually "dating" in OoTP; but that they weren't looking around for anyone else a the time. We just thought that with the strength of their friendship and the apparent attraction that things would probably be settled early in HBP. Oh how wrong we were (thanks JKR).
Actually that was pretty accurate for the most part; they didn't seem to be actively pursuing any sort of romantic association through Order of the Phoenix. I think that was down to a couple of reasons.

Dealing with CAPSLOCK Harry as some have termed him in that book.
In some respects 'waiting' for the other to make some sort of move.

Though with the latter they were both much much too timid not to mention fearful of harming their friendship to make any overt moves in that respect. Ron came close with his 'girly' Christmas present but they never got the chance to play that one out.

Harry was obsessed with dealing with his inner demons. I just sort of figured, considering how much development JKR had put into R\Hr that she would not want to stretch it out much longer. Again...WRONG.:) I believe it was wishful thinking on my part.
:agree: It was kind of dragged out, a quicker resolution would have been nice but Ron also needed the experience, as was so delicately and tactfully mentioned by Ginny. Yes that last line was sarcastic. :evil:

There was very little romance in OoTP, which only added to the intensity of the shipping debates.
True, but I also think the intensity was down to a lot of people seeing what was coming, in broad terms at least, and not liking it. You must remember that many who indulged in these discussions had become extremely committed to their 'ship' and many were so heavily emotionally invested that they left themselves no way to gracefully back out of it when things didn't eventuate as they had hoped.

:lol: I really think they'll get together at least by the end of Deathly Hallows. From their 1st meeting on the train i think they'll be together! :love:

Surely they'll get togther near the opening of the book. The train home, at the Weasleys, at the Dursleys, but more probably at the wedding.

I believe someone made a comment along the lines of "Theres alot of unresolved sexual tension between them, and until thats removed they wont help Harry on his 'Horcrux Quest', they'll hinder." And I agree wholeheartedly with this.

Indeed, she said the Harry Ginny kiss was an enjoyable scene to write and though that was on the cards since Philosopher's Stone it hasn't been brewing with the same tension or dynamic that Ron and Hermione have been. I think Jo will have some fun bringing us that scene.

I agree. She was so excited about Harry and Ginny's first kiss - that part of the interview was cute. But it does seem that she has more time and effort put into Ron and Hermione so I think she will definitely do something similar for them. They deserve a big romantic moment on page. :love:

:agree: Almost definitely, they're too interconnected now, especially after Half Blood Prince where Harry has really if not removed then certainly reduced the barriers between himself and them, to be hiding something of this magnitude

Honestly, I don't believe they ever would have hidden something like that from Harry. They both know how badly Harry reacts to having things kept from him - Ron in particular.

Like I said it was never anything specific, just the way they were interacting combined with a good bit of alone time in the hospital wing that could have allowed for some serious communicating. I don't think they'd have kept it hidden from Harry so much as sorting out where they stood themselves before including him. As it was the idea was completely shot down anyway. I was wrong, plain and simple, if only some others involved in those debates could use those three words.

Well, that was something that might have been workable since it was the end of the book. However, there were also quite a few who firmly believed that Ron and Hermione had gotten together during the 4 weeks they were at Grimmauld Place together without Harry and decided to keep it a secret. That's what I disagreed with. There's no way they would have kept a secret like that from Harry for an entire year. I could see them taking a few days to adjust, but not deliberately hiding it and lying to him.

It would be nice if more people could say those three words and move on. ;)

Oh absolutely, not long now till we find out.

I know! I found a cute ticker counting down the days, but I can't use it because it makes fun of certain shippers. I need to come up with something and make my own. :)

Indeed, like I said earlier though, were she to pen such a scene it would have to be of major plot related significance and not just as a reason to get the two of them in an intimate situation, though that would be a good side effect :eyebrows:.

Definitely - which is why it is such a tiny hope. I see a couple of ways that she could work something like that in since DH is supposed to pick up where HBP left off with them still at Hogwarts. But we'll have to wait for July to find out.

Actually that was pretty accurate for the most part; they didn't seem to be actively pursuing any sort of romantic association through Order of the Phoenix. I think that was down to a couple of reasons.

Dealing with CAPSLOCK Harry as some have termed him in that book.
In some respects 'waiting' for the other to make some sort of move.

Though with the latter they were both much much too timid not to mention fearful of harming their friendship to make any overt moves in that respect. Ron came close with his 'girly' Christmas present but they never got the chance to play that one out.

Definitely. I also think that Ron's insecurity was a big factor as well. There was kind of a mix for Ron there. Being made prefect was a boost - Fred and George teasing him about it was detrimental. Making the Quidditch team was a boost - Fred and George teasing him and having trouble was detrimental. For every good thing that happened to him - something bad went along with it. Even after they won the Quidditch cup - he played brilliantly, but Harry and Hermione didn't see it.

Looking back at the relationship between Ron and Hermione in all of the books, I find one of the things I admire most about their relationship is the amount of respect they have for one another. It is why I appreciate the friendship they have before they get together. The whole trio has this respect but I think that it will build a strong relationship between them because it means that they already enjoy each other's company and know just about everything about the other. They don't have to worry about the small things because they have been able to put all of their trust in one another for years. They are just taking the next step, which isn't a very big one considering how long they have been friends and trusted each other.

I agree. She was so excited about Harry and Ginny's first kiss - that part of the interview was cute. But it does seem that she has more time and effort put into Ron and Hermione so I think she will definitely do something similar for them. They deserve a big romantic moment on page. :love:
They do, and the couple dynamic is very different from that of Harry and Ginny too, there's so much long term tension there.

Honestly, I don't believe they ever would have hidden something like that from Harry. They both know how badly Harry reacts to having things kept from him - Ron in particular.
Nor do I, if there was to be any 'hiding' I wouldn't have felt it would have been for long at all. I was anticipating some sort of revelation early on in Half Blood Prince. Still, that's all academic now.

Well, that was something that might have been workable since it was the end of the book. However, there were also quite a few who firmly believed that Ron and Hermione had gotten together during the 4 weeks they were at Grimmauld Place together without Harry and decided to keep it a secret.
:no: Not this little black duck.

That's what I disagreed with. There's no way they would have kept a secret like that from Harry for an entire year. I could see them taking a few days to adjust, but not deliberately hiding it and lying to him.
No more could I.

It would be nice if more people could say those three words and move on. ;)
:agree:

Definitely - which is why it is such a tiny hope. I see a couple of ways that she could work something like that in since DH is supposed to pick up where HBP left off with them still at Hogwarts. But we'll have to wait for July to find out.
:sigh: Are we there yet?

Definitely. I also think that Ron's insecurity was a big factor as well. There was kind of a mix for Ron there. Being made prefect was a boost - Fred and George teasing him about it was detrimental. Making the Quidditch team was a boost - Fred and George teasing him and having trouble was detrimental. For every good thing that happened to him - something bad went along with it. Even after they won the Quidditch cup - he played brilliantly, but Harry and Hermione didn't see it.
That's an interesting point and one I hadn't considered before, even when it went right for Ron there was always a handbrake to pull him back. Just another explanation for the events of Half Blood Prince.

Well, I can't speak for anyone else but I got that impression from the way they interacted after they were out of the hospital. Nothing specific, though I figured with all that time lying around without much to do there might have been some heavy duty communicating going on.Well, we will never know, since it was offpage, but I can imagine there had been some deeper communication going on in the Hospital wing. Plus, Hermione was already at the Burrow in HBP before Harry showed up there (although I don´t recall at the moment how much earlier). They would have grown even closer then. Not enough to be sure of the other´s feelings, but enough to give Hermione the nudge to invite Ron to Slughorn´s party.

Indeed, she said the Harry Ginny kiss was an enjoyable scene to write and though that was on the cards since Philosopher's Stone it hasn't been brewing with the same tension or dynamic that Ron and Hermione have been. I think Jo will have some fun bringing us that scene.
That would be double fun for her. Fun in writing that scene and fun in imagining the R/Hr fans reactions. :D

Indeed, like I said earlier though, were she to pen such a scene it would have to be of major plot related significance and not just as a reason to get the two of them in an intimate situation, though that would be a good side effect :eyebrows:.It doesn´t have to be major plot related, IMO. The little part in PS, when we have Ron and Hermione´s pov during the second Quidditch match, was kind of plot-related, but the scene itsself was not really necessary. Plotwise. I think it was included to point out Ron and Hermione´s ability to work together, to cooperate. Therefore, this part served more characterization and the setting up of a relationship than advancing the main-plot. She could do something like that in DH a well. It would serve character and relationship development.

In some respects 'waiting' for the other to make some sort of move.
[/LIST]Yes. I think Hermione was aware of her feelings for Ron for quite some time (PoA, maybe even CoS). Ron had this feelings (Yule Brawl, anyone :eyebrows: ), but became aware during OotP. The weeks with Hermione at GP would have made it more clear to him. Thus, they were both fixated on each other, no room for interest in anyone else left, but they were of course too insecure and afraid to do something about it.

True, but I also think the intensity was down to a lot of people seeing what was coming, in broad terms at least, and not liking it. You must remember that many who indulged in these discussions had become extremely committed to their 'ship' and many were so heavily emotionally invested that they left themselves no way to gracefully back out of it when things didn't eventuate as they had hoped.Well, this is not the place maybe, but I am on another forum where shipping is allowed and, believe it or not, there are still people who are convinced it can only be the 'other' ship in the end. I think the term red herring sounds familiar to you. All in all it´s a bit disturbing and I have quit posting there. I thank CoS so much to provide me with a safe heaven where I can joyfully discuss my ship.


Well, that was something that might have been workable since it was the end of the book. However, there were also quite a few who firmly believed that Ron and Hermione had gotten together during the 4 weeks they were at Grimmauld Place together without Harry and decided to keep it a secret. That's what I disagreed with. There's no way they would have kept a secret like that from Harry for an entire year. I could see them taking a few days to adjust, but not deliberately hiding it and lying to him.I agree. When they had gotten together at the end of OotP, it would still have been believable when they had revealed their relationship to Harry at the beginning of HBP. But for what reason should they hide it from Harry for longer? Even for a year? Harry would feel, rightfully, hurt and left out if they kept something important like that a secret.

I know! I found a cute ticker counting down the days, but I can't use it because it makes fun of certain shippers. I need to come up with something and make my own. :)I´m curious. You could owl me. :D

Definitely. I also think that Ron's insecurity was a big factor as well. There was kind of a mix for Ron there. Being made prefect was a boost - Fred and George teasing him about it was detrimental. Making the Quidditch team was a boost - Fred and George teasing him and having trouble was detrimental. For every good thing that happened to him - something bad went along with it. Even after they won the Quidditch cup - he played brilliantly, but Harry and Hermione didn't see it.That´s a really good point. Ron doesn´t have too much opportunity to shine anyway, he is/feels always overshadowed somehow, by brothers, by his sister even, by both his best friends. And once he had something good for himself, be it being made prefect or winning the Quidditch cup, it was accompanied by teasing, which made him even more insecure, or no one noticed it. I always thought, Fred and George leaving Hogwarts, was good for Ron. Hermione even said this. I am sure Ron loves his brothers and they love him, but they weren´t exactly encouraging. Maybe all of this subconsciously held him back to do anything about his feelings for Hermione as well. He might have sensed that it could be somehow get spoilt for him.

They do, and the couple dynamic is very different from that of Harry and Ginny too, there's so much long term tension there.

Definitely. Which - for me - is all the more reason for it to be resolved on page - at least the first kiss. ;)

Nor do I, if there was to be any 'hiding' I wouldn't have felt it would have been for long at all. I was anticipating some sort of revelation early on in Half Blood Prince. Still, that's all academic now.

:no: Not this little black duck.

It's interesting how the same speculation has come back around after HBP. There are quite a few that are certain Ron and Hermione got together after Ron was poisoned simply because of the difference in their behavior.

I disagree with that simply because I don't see them hiding something like that from Harry. I don't think Ron would be able to - he'll be over the moon with happiness. I also object to it because it implies that they were "carrying on" behind Lavender's back as well. I don't think either of them would have done that to Lavender.

And I really believe Jo will show that resolution on page. She's put too much into it just to toss in an offhand comment that they got together off page in HBP.

:sigh: Are we there yet?

5 months, 1 week, and 2 days. :sigh:

That's an interesting point and one I hadn't considered before, even when it went right for Ron there was always a handbrake to pull him back. Just another explanation for the events of Half Blood Prince.

Yeah, I noticed that after reading OOTP. I figured that HBP would be a turning point for Ron in terms of confidence. He hit rock bottom - there was nowhere to go but up from there. For the most part, I think he's dealt with it. Harry helped him realize that he is a good Quidditch player - he just has to get past his mental block. The experience with Lavender was good for his ego - she was genuinely attracted to him and Hermione did get jealous. There are still some unresolved issues there, but I think that will happen early on in DH. We even see a change in attitude regarding the twins. Ron has always been reluctant to deal with the twins and worried about what they thought quite a bit. At the end of HBP, he is prepared to confront them because Malfoy had the darkness powder. That's a major change in attitude.

Well, this is not the place maybe, but I am on another forum where shipping is allowed and, believe it or not, there are still people who are convinced it can only be the 'other' ship in the end. I think the term red herring sounds familiar to you. All in all it´s a bit disturbing and I have quit posting there.

I read the first Harry Potter book last summer when my little sister (who knows I'm a huge fantasy fan) finally forced me to do it and finished HBP just after Christmas.

Before that, I had avoided all internet forums dedicated to the series since I didn't want to get spoiled. I was really surprised to find out that some people had misread the books so badly. And to think some people are still in denial... :no:

I read the first Harry Potter book last summer when my little sister (who knows I'm a huge fantasy fan) finally forced me to do it and finished HBP just after Christmas.

Before that, I had avoided all internet forums dedicated to the series since I didn't want to get spoiled. I was really surprised to find out that some people had misread the books so badly. And to think some people are still in denial... :no:

Yeah, I read the first few books when I was nine, (the first three or four were the only ones out by then) and even then when I heard the rumors about Harry and Hermione I couldn't imagine where people were coming from.

Yeah, I read the first few books when I was nine, (the first three or four were the only ones out by then) and even then when I heard the rumors about Harry and Hermione I couldn't imagine where people were coming from.

Jeez, you make me feel old. :lol:

I was 29 when I read the first three - GOF came out that summer. However, I didn't discover online fandom until OOTP came out. I found Mugglenet while searching for spoilers on OOTP and info about the movies. Back then I was on dial-up so I didn't fully explore the site - just looked for news tidbits. I didn't discover COS until a few months before HBP was released - after I had switched to broadband. I actually found COS through the shipping essays on Mugglenet. The essays about Harry and Hermione just left me speechless with shock. I couldn't believe there were actually people who thought they would get together and followed the link to discuss the essay.

Two years later - I'm still here and still baffled. :err:

HBP was a huge step for our couple and also for H&G (but that's for another thread). They both did some pretty stupid mistakes but i tend to choose Hr's side of the battle. Yes she did react jealous and ignored him for four months or and yes she did play the *mcglaggen* card but lets consider these facts:

She never turned him down after the Yule Ball fiasco, she said *next time*.
She could have used fifth year to rub it on Ron's face that she was dating the famous Krum but she wasn't dating him because she didn't want to (i still believe that her writting to him in front of Ron was to stick a nerve or courage on Ron's part and for him to do something about it).
It wasn't her fault that Ron never got shown for Slughorn's parties but SHE asked him has a FIRST OPTION. She considered him not someone else.
She never said she didn't believe in his abilities about Quidditch, quite the opposite she never said he was rubish or that he should quit, she said he was good enough without it period (he was the one who twisted things).

After that she watched the guy she had feelings for so long and that she had taken the first step and invited to a party snog Lavender in front of the hole school. Consider the fact that even if Ron didn't think Hr liked him in that way, he still would have told her that he was hooking up with Lav, she was his best friend after all. His reactions to the canaries *that went well* and the hole *i'm a free agent* clearly indicate he knew that he was behaving badly towards her he just choose to behave like a stupid git.

Now Hr had to handle herself after being turned down publically, she was mocked and we all know that it hurted her not talking to him for all that time, she doesn't make friends easily so she only had Harry (when he wasn't with Ginny) so you can guess that she spent ALOT of time alone while Ron was snogging and having fun.

So in the hole R&H HBP fiasco i tend to choose Hr's side because she hurted him because she was hurted before, he hurt her because he just wanted to show off. That attitude was with a cost for him with many months without speaking to Hr. He has to get up the courage and make the first move, because it's time he starts showing his bravery and stop expecting Hr to do all the hard work.

I'm no big Ron and Hermione fan (I liked Victor Krum good enough), but since it is all but written in plain text on my walls that they're the couple to go, I hope they reached their silent understanding in the end of HBP. The fact that Ron said "we" when he talked to Harry about the Dursleys, was somewhat sufficent evidence for me.

Since HBP focused on the romance, I hope we will see a mutually understanding non-bickering Ron and Hermione in DH, as a couple agreeing to follow Harry to a possible death and dangerous journey, and as a couple, working together and with Harry, of course, to overcome the dangers they will face.

I know there will probably be one of their big moments, although I'm not sure what to expect, if it is from Harrys point of view. But I hope, and this is just not regarding Ron and Hermione, that DH will contain surprise after surprise.

I'm no big Ron and Hermione fan (I liked Victor Krum good enough), but since it is all but written in plain text on my walls that they're the couple to go, I hope they reached their silent understanding in the end of HBP. The fact that Ron said "we" when he talked to Harry about the Dursleys, was somewhat sufficent evidence for me.

Since HBP focused on the romance, I hope we will see a mutually understanding non-bickering Ron and Hermione in DH, as a couple agreeing to follow Harry to a possible death and dangerous journey, and as a couple, working together and with Harry, of course, to overcome the dangers they will face.

I know there will probably be one of their big moments, although I'm not sure what to expect, if it is from Harrys point of view. But I hope, and this is just not regarding Ron and Hermione, that DH will contain surprise after surprise.

It will be...it has to give you a suprise at some point reading...or a dissapointment, becuase its the last book...

I personally didnt like the Victor and Hermione thing....he was wrong for her and too old...it creeped me out somewhat to be honest...

I cant wait! Then I cant accept the fact that there wont be any more books!:sad:

So in the hole R&H HBP fiasco i tend to choose Hr's side because she hurted him because she was hurted before, he hurt her because he just wanted to show off. That attitude was with a cost for him with many months without speaking to Hr. He has to get up the courage and make the first move, because it's time he starts showing his bravery and stop expecting Hr to do all the hard work.

While you do make some good points, I think we have to look at Ron's side of it as well. He wasn't just showing off, he was hurt and angry. He believed Hermione had lied to him about Krum and that she had no faith in his abilities.

Hermione did tell Ron to ask her first next time after the Yule Ball - the first and last direct statement she made that could be taken positively. Since then, she has been vague and aloof - guarding her feelings more closely than all the gold in Fort Knox. She is very careful in her reactions to anything that has to do with Ron.

She got all excited when she thought Harry was made prefect, but then reigned it in when she found out it was Ron. It was "safe" to be excited for Harry because she could honestly say they were just friends if anyone said anything. She can't honestly say that Ron is just a friend to her and she's not a good liar. So Ron is left with the impression that Hermione doesn't think he should have been made a prefect.

Also in OOTP, she had a tendency to lash out at Ron over nothing. Like when she was explaining Cho's feelings to Harry. Both Harry and Ron demonstrate the same ignorance about girls. Hermione is patient and understanding with Harry - explaining it to him - but she snaps at Ron nastily. We know this is because of her frustration, but Ron doesn't.

In HBP, she goes on and on about why all those girls fancy Harry - she ignores Ron. Again, it's safe to talk about Harry's "fanciable" qualities because she doesn't fancy him. She does invite him to Slughorn's party, but the invitation is vague and occurs while they're bickering - leaving it open for Ron to become confused later.

Which brings us to the argument with Ginny. Ron comes out of that thinking that - on top of everything else - Hermione lied to him. She said that she and Krum were just friends - pen pals. He gets angry over that. Then comes the Quidditch game and Hermione inadvertently sticks her foot in her mouth while lecturing Harry - implying that she doesn't think Ron could play well without Felix Felicis.

The end result is that Ron has no hope at all. He doesn't believe that Hermione could possibly have any feelings for him. He feels that he can't compete with somebody like Krum. He questions her invitation and comes to the conclusion that she only asked him because they were friends and she felt sorry for him because Slughorn kept leaving him out. He thinks that she doesn't have any faith in his abilities.

He wasn't trying to hurt Hermione. He didn't believe he could hurt Hermione because he didn't believe she had any feelings for him. He settled for Lavender because she had openly flirted with him and complimented him. She did like him. She soothed his bruised ego.

Now, he does realize - or at least begin to realize - that he was wrong after the canary attack. He saw that Hermione was hurt and realized that she must have some kind of feelings for him - otherwise she wouldn't have been hurt. But he was still angry because he believed she had lied to him about Krum and he needed time to deal with that.

I don't think we can lay the blame completely on either side. They were both hurt and angry. They both behaved badly and they both made mistakes. They learned from those mistakes and their relationship is stronger for that.

Jeez, you make me feel old. :lol:

I was 29 when I read the first three - GOF came out that summer. However, I didn't discover online fandom until OOTP came out. I found Mugglenet while searching for spoilers on OOTP and info about the movies. Back then I was on dial-up so I didn't fully explore the site - just looked for news tidbits. I didn't discover COS until a few months before HBP was released - after I had switched to broadband. I actually found COS through the shipping essays on Mugglenet. The essays about Harry and Hermione just left me speechless with shock. I couldn't believe there were actually people who thought they would get together and followed the link to discuss the essay.

Two years later - I'm still here and still baffled. :err:

You both make me feel old!!:lol:
GoF was out when I started reading HP, and I was 36. I also found Mugglenet while searching for spoilers on OOTP. I was shocked to find out that people were shipping Harry and Hermione. I thought that it was obvious that Ron and Hermione would get together. I just don't think that it is too much of a stretch for a friendship between the sexes.
I would like to see marriages between Hermione and Ron, and Harry and Ginney in the epilogue.

I just wanted to drop in and spread some R/Hr cheer!! I really hope they will put some R/Hr in the OotP movie!!! Also, I hope R/Hr finally kiss in DH!!! If they do, that will be my favorite part of the whole series! Heehee....

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Jeez, you make me feel old. :lol:

I am sorry. You are not old, I just took longer to get here. :D

:clap: I won! I won! Finally, I won at something! I was 40 when I read the HP books (all six one after the other). :p


Since HBP focused on the romance, I hope we will see a mutually understanding non-bickering Ron and Hermione in DH, Completely non-bickering? Do we really want that? :lol:


She never turned him down after the Yule Ball fiasco, she said *next time*.Ron was 14, clueless and thought Hermione had missed the point. ;) And the next day, they had come to an unspoken agreement not to talk about it anymore.
She could have used fifth year to rub it on Ron's face that she was dating the famous Krum but she wasn't dating him because she didn't want to (i still believe that her writting to him in front of Ron was to stick a nerve or courage on Ron's part and for him to do something about it).I agree that she wrote that overlong letter infront of Ron to get some reaction out of him. She knew he would ask who she wrote to. But she was never crystal clear on the whole Krum-issue. While she made Ron believe she and Krum were only friends (which made him later think she lied to him), she never outright said that she wasn´t romantically interested in Krum. I think she guessed what bothered Ron, but she was too afraid to openly address the issue.
It wasn't her fault that Ron never got shown for Slughorn's parties but SHE asked him has a FIRST OPTION. She considered him not someone else.That is true. It was meant as a date, and Ron intitially realized that as well. But in the whole context, and with Hermione´s invitation being worded vaguely nevertheless, there was room for Ron to question the nature of the invitation.
She never said she didn't believe in his abilities about Quidditch, quite the opposite she never said he was rubish or that he should quit, she said he was good enough without it period (he was the one who twisted things).Ron is insecure and in doubt about his own abilities. Hermione never outright said she thought he could play well withoug lucky potion. To him, her words sounded like she implied he needed FF to save everything.
Now Hr had to handle herself after being turned down publically, she was mocked and we all know that it hurted her not talking to him for all that time, she doesn't make friends easily so she only had Harry (when he wasn't with Ginny) so you can guess that she spent ALOT of time alone while Ron was snogging and having fun.I don´t think it was widely known that Hermione invited Ron to the party. I think Harry was actually the only one who knew. Therefore, Hermione was at least spared public humiliation. But she was nevertheless very hurt of course. Hermione was alone a lot, and I felt bad for her, really. The only 'satisfaction' for us is that Ron got annoyed with Lavender by Christmas. I don´t think he really enjoyed being with her after that.

So in the hole R&H HBP fiasco i tend to choose Hr's side because she hurted him because she was hurted before, he hurt her because he just wanted to show off. That attitude was with a cost for him with many months without speaking to Hr. He has to get up the courage and make the first move, because it's time he starts showing his bravery and stop expecting Hr to do all the hard work.I understand what you want to say, though. And I partially agree. Hermione was very hurt, she was more hurt during the three months of fallout than Ron. But I think Ron was hurt as well, and I am convinced he didn´t set out with the intent on hurting Hermione. He, at least initially, had no idea he could hurt her in the first place. When he realized he did, he was already in the middle of the mess.
I think , we have to look at both characters and the whole context, not just what happend in HBP. Then the character´s actions become understandable.
meesha has explained it perfectly already, I agree with her assessment.

Completely non-bickering? Do we really want that? :lol:
:lol: I know I dont.

That is true. It was meant as a date, and Ron intitially realized that as well. But in the whole context, and with Hermione´s invitation being worded vaguely nevertheless, there was room for Ron to question the nature of the invitation.
Exactly.

I don´t think it was widely known that Hermione invited Ron to the party. I think Harry was actually the only one who knew. Therefore, Hermione was at least spared public humiliation. But she was nevertheless very hurt of course. Hermione was alone a lot, and I felt bad for her, really. The only 'satisfaction' for us is that Ron got annoyed with Lavender by Christmas. I don´t think he really enjoyed being with her after that.

He was the only one who knew that I know of.....I agree. Unless Luna overheard Harry and Hermione talking about McLaggen-Ron-jealous at thge par-tay, but she probably could care less about that, so she was safe in that matter.


I understand what you want to say, though. And I partially agree. Hermione was very hurt, she was more hurt during the three months of fallout than Ron. But I think Ron was hurt as well, and I am convinced he didn´t set out with the intent on hurting Hermione. He, at least initially, had no idea he could hurt her in the first place. When he realized he did, he was already in the middle of the mess.


:agree: Oh, Ron was definately hurt...he was trying to make himself feel that he was right, she was wrong...but it wasnt working too much...he definately realized he made a bad choice...denial is the only word to describe this. Hermione obviously was very jealous and furious.

[QUOTE]I think , we have to look at both characters and the whole context, not just what happend in HBP. Then the character´s actions become understandable. QUOTE]

:agree:

Ron was DEFINITELY hurt.

I have to admit I found their hurt each other game in HBP a little odd.. and while true to their characters feelings, after re-reading the books I found it out of place. If you encounter mortal danger which you barely survives, isn't that supposed to act like an alarm or something?

After encountering the DE in OotP, I must say, I thought Ron and Hermione would act different towards each other, rather than keeping that facade they sometimes put up (not that it's fooling Harry, though). They nearly died that night, the night they challenged the Death Eaters twice their own number, and they're still too afraid or whatever to admit their attraction to each other? It required Ron first being involved with Lavender (that is a common thing), getting poisoned and then finally Dumbledore died. Now they seems to be on the same level. Finally. The thing I disliked most with Ron and Hermione was their constant bickering. Hopefully, DH will make me change my mind about them completly.

When i said i would choose a side, i never meant to say that one was to blame and the other wasn't. No, no, both created that mess by not speaking to each other. They talk with each other but they don't communicate.

Yet i still think say that Ron used his Weasley pride to get himself onto a situation that was not necessary. He could have apologized and have been up front and asked Hr what was on his mind. But he decided to play with his ego and pride.

There was a horrible, swelling, billowing silence. Hermione was staring at Ron, who was refusing to look at her, but said with an odd mixture of bravado and awkwardness, "Hi, Harry! Wondered where you'd got to!"

"I never promised Hermione anything," Ron mumbled. "I mean, all right, I was going to go to Slughorn's Christmas party with her, but she never said... just as friends... I'm a free agent..."

He knows he did wrong, that's why he doesn't look at her and then he clearly demonstrated the *just HAS friends* line, once again he KNOWS he is not innocent but instead of admitting that he did something wrong he just plays the *she did it-why can't hi* all over that time.

Don't forget that it wasn't just Lavender in HBP, don't forget that prior to that Ron had display a soft spot for Madam Rosmerta.

"Good idea," whispered Hermione, clearly pleased that Harry was calming down. "Ron, what are you staring at?"
"Nothing," said Ron, hastily looking away from the bar, but Harry knew he was trying to catch the eye of curvy and attractive barmaid, Madam Rosmerta, for whom he had long nursed a soft spot.

He wasn't in love of course but he was obviously attracted to these women in a way Fleur, Rosmerta, Lavender all of which where attractive, and Hr isn't (to the outside world), yet she still didn't give up on him or got a boyfriend.

"That's right," said Hermione sweetly. "The one who almost" - she put a great deal of emphasis on the word - "became Gryffindor Keeper."
"Are you going out with him, then?" asked Parvati, wide-eyed.
"Oh-yes-didn't you know?" said Hermione, with a most un-Hermione-ish giggle.
"No!" said Parvati, looking positively agog at this piece of gossip. "Wow, you like your Quidditch players, don't you? First Krum, then McLaggen..."
"I like really good Quidditch players," Hermione corrected her still smiling.

"I thought he'd annoy Ron most," said Hermione dispassionately. "I debated for a while about Zacharias Smith, but I thought, on the whole-"

True she played the jealous in HBP (i would have done it as well if i was in her shoes at that age), i mean she tried to fight back in the same fashion but we all know that Hr isn't good at pretending she's too honest for herself and others to pull that off.

We all know that this situation needed to happen for the sake of HBP but from my point of view, while Hr could have handled things differently (she can face a troll but emotions she can't read in a book so she is jumping without a net there) it was Ron's actions and words that screwed up the hole stupid thing even more then they needed to be. He OWES Hermione a decent conversation in DH, she will tell him things but he needs to be the one that makes the move.

IAfter encountering the DE in OotP, I must say, I thought Ron and Hermione would act different towards each other, rather than keeping that facade they sometimes put up (not that it's fooling Harry, though). They nearly died that night, the night they challenged the Death Eaters twice their own number, and they're still too afraid or whatever to admit their attraction to each other? It required Ron first being involved with Lavender (that is a common thing), getting poisoned and then finally Dumbledore died. Now they seems to be on the same level. Finally. The thing I disliked most with Ron and Hermione was their constant bickering. Hopefully, DH will make me change my mind about them completly.
They were separated during the actual fighting. Hermione was knocked out first and early and Ron didn't see it at all and Ron was hit by the brains later. I don't think the impact was felt because they were separated and didn't actually see the injuries. They were fine and in the hospital together before there could be any time to panic like Hermione did when she found out Ron had been poisoned in HBP.

Agreed, agreed. I just find it surprising that we didn't hear them discuss it afterwards, the mere realisation that it could have been anyone of them just as well as Sirius (probably would have if the Order hadn't come), and that they were just wasting time in HBP. So much could have been different.

I have to admit I found their hurt each other game in HBP a little odd.. and while true to their characters feelings, after re-reading the books I found it out of place. If you encounter mortal danger which you barely survives, isn't that supposed to act like an alarm or something?

After encountering the DE in OotP, I must say, I thought Ron and Hermione would act different towards each other, rather than keeping that facade they sometimes put up (not that it's fooling Harry, though). They nearly died that night, the night they challenged the Death Eaters twice their own number, and they're still too afraid or whatever to admit their attraction to each other? It required Ron first being involved with Lavender (that is a common thing), getting poisoned and then finally Dumbledore died. Now they seems to be on the same level. Finally. The thing I disliked most with Ron and Hermione was their constant bickering. Hopefully, DH will make me change my mind about them completly.

As folly said, Ron and Hermione didn't really fight side-by-side for much of the DoM battle. For this couple, it isn't really a case of "mortal danger" situations helping them realise their feelings. It's a bit more complex than that, and it's all been about character-development and maturity.

I get the impression that Hermione may be a little frightened at the prospect of going out with Ron, because such relationships, if they don't work, can ruin a friendship. She's also quite insecure about herself, and perhaps would prefer to wait for Ron to ask her out rather than initiate it herself, and risk rejection (though she finally took the plunge when she asked him to Slughorn's party, she didn't make her intentions totally clear - out of fear, perhaps?).

For Ron's part, for a long time he didn't realise what he has in Hermione. His idea of a romantic relationship was a pretty girl and a lot of snogging. He needed the Lavender relationship to teach him how wrong this attitude was, and to make him realise that Hermione can offer him what he really needs in a romantic relationship. So for me, the events of HBP seemed natural, and were essential if they were going to get together. Ron needed to grow up a bit emotionally, and Hermione needed to become more open with herself about her feelings, and more prepared to open herself up to Ron.

Man, I am sooo hoping they get together you guys. Even though they've had their fair share of bickering like an old married couple, clawed eachother with vicious remarks and cold behavior, their feelings are strong enough to overcome that.
Remember in OOTp you guys, when Ron gave Hermione perfume for Christmas? And she said something like "that perfume you gave me is really odd, Ron" to which he just said "No problem."? Remember that? No guy gives a girl perfume unless he has attraction to her! I thought it was so adorable. Wouldn't be surprised if it's a kind of perfume potion that makes other boys sick to their stomachs when they smell it....:evil:

I get the impression that Hermione may be a little frightened at the prospect of going out with Ron, because such relationships, if they don't work, can ruin a friendship.
Thank you.
"Frightened". That was the word I was looking for. I know this is true, and still it continues to confuse me. They dared to challenge Voldemorts followers, but couldn't bring themselves to have the talk. Wow.. I almost get expectations on DH. If there is a revelation, from which point would it be best made? From Harrys, or Ron or Hermiones? Or should they tell him afterwards or before they leave, or will he be walking in on them?

Agreed, agreed. I just find it surprising that we didn't hear them discuss it afterwards, the mere realisation that it could have been anyone of them just as well as Sirius (probably would have if the Order hadn't come), and that they were just wasting time in HBP. So much could have been different.We don't know if they discussed it or not. They were sharing a hospital room with beds beside each other for days. I don't think the conversation got intimate but they probably talked about it. There was no one else except Umbridge with them. Who knows? Maybe that's why Hermione finally got brave enough to ask Ron to Slughorn's party.

Thank you.
"Frightened". That was the word I was looking for. I know this is true, and still it continues to confuse me. They dared to challenge Voldemorts followers, but couldn't bring themselves to have the talk. Wow..


We're dealing with teenage romance, though. Harry's line in the GoF movie summed it up perfectly - when it comes to a choice between reliving the First Task and asking a girl to the ball, "I think I'd take the dragon". :D And when it comes to Ron and Hermione, it's especially understandable, because they're good friends, and they wouldn't want to ruin that. Just look at Harry's turmoil over Ginny - he was terrified to ask her out for a while, because of what it might have done to his friendship with Ron.

It isn't really farfetched that Ron and Hermione would still be afraid to admit their feelings for each other after having been in a life-threatening situation. In GOF Harry had a thought that he'd rather face the Hungarian Horntail dragon again rather than ask a girl to the Yule Ball.

When i said i would choose a side, i never meant to say that one was to blame and the other wasn't. No, no, both created that mess by not speaking to each other. They talk with each other but they don't communicate.

Well, they communicate really well regarding everything else. It's their feelings for each other that they miscommunicate over. That stems from both of them being deeply insecure as well as the fact that they are best friends and their friendship is important to them.

It's not about blame. They both made mistakes and they both handled the situation badly.

Yet i still think say that Ron used his Weasley pride to get himself onto a situation that was not necessary. He could have apologized and have been up front and asked Hr what was on his mind. But he decided to play with his ego and pride.

Yes, he could have. But that would require an explanation as to why it would matter. He would have to admit his feelings and, at that point, he did not believe Hermione returned his feelings and wasn't willing to take that risk.

Hermione also could have been completely up front about Viktor from the beginning and told Ron outright that she was never interested in anything more than friendship with Krum. But that could potentially require her to admit her feelings for Ron and she wasn't sure if he felt the same way. She wasn't willing to take that risk any more than Ron was.

Hermione didn't know why Ron got mad at her so suddenly. She was hurt and confused about that. But she never tried to find out either. That was another mistake that she made.

And Harry had a small part in all of that as well. He could have cleared the whole thing up the next day. If he had told Hermione why Ron was mad, she could have given her side of the story. But that would have prevented all that character development Ron got from his relationship with Lavender.

He knows he did wrong, that's why he doesn't look at her and then he clearly demonstrated the *just HAS friends* line, once again he KNOWS he is not innocent but instead of admitting that he did something wrong he just plays the *she did it-why can't hi* all over that time.

Of course he does. That is after the canary attack. He realized - or at least started to realize - that he was wrong about Hermione's feelings. Prior to the canary attack, he did not know that he was wrong.

And even realizing that he was wrong about her feelings didn't change the fact that he believed she had lied to him about Krum. He was still angry over that and needed time to deal with it.

Don't forget that it wasn't just Lavender in HBP, don't forget that prior to that Ron had display a soft spot for Madam Rosmerta.

He wasn't in love of course but he was obviously attracted to these women in a way Fleur, Rosmerta, Lavender all of which where attractive, and Hr isn't (to the outside world), yet she still didn't give up on him or got a boyfriend.

Ron had a mild crush on Madame Rosmerta all along. That was a physical attraction that he knew would never lead to anything. Hermione did the same thing with Lockhart - and we see that she still has a bit of a crush on him in OOTP.

I don't count Fleur because she is part Veela and it has been emphasized on page that Ron is strongly affected by that. We saw that in GOF at the World Cup when they passed by the group of Veela in the trees - as well as with Fleur when he asked her to the ball. We see it again in HBP when Fleur burst into the room.

He went with Lavender simply because she openly showed attraction - she flirted with him and complimented him. That's something that Hermione has never done. She has never flirted and compliments are very rare. Lavender soothed his ego.

From Ron's point of view, Hermione did have a boyfriend. He believed that she lied to him about her relationship with Krum and he knows that she is still in contact with Krum. She had her crush on Lockart - as I mentioned above. She also said something about Cedric being handsome in GOF - which Ron took as a show of interest - and Ron was concerned that she was attracted to McLaggen before she asked him to Slughorn's party. That was what led to them bickering about it and Hermione asking him in the first place.

True she played the jealous in HBP (i would have done it as well if i was in her shoes at that age), i mean she tried to fight back in the same fashion but we all know that Hr isn't good at pretending she's too honest for herself and others to pull that off.

Not for very long. But she did manage to get a dig in on Ron's Quidditch ability - which would have served to convince him that he was right and she didn't have any faith in him. And she did manage to make Ron think that she was interested in McLaggen - he asked Harry about it at Christmas.

We all know that this situation needed to happen for the sake of HBP but from my point of view, while Hr could have handled things differently (she can face a troll but emotions she can't read in a book so she is jumping without a net there) it was Ron's actions and words that screwed up the hole stupid thing even more then they needed to be. He OWES Hermione a decent conversation in DH, she will tell him things but he needs to be the one that makes the move.

I still have to say it was both of them. Ron's actions and words were a direct results of Hermione's actions and words. If she had handled the situation differently then he would have as well. One plays off the other to create the misunderstanding.

Hermione owes Ron and explanation as well. He needs to know the truth about her relationship with Krum. She needs to know that it was believing she had lied about Krum that made Ron angry in the first place.

I do agree that Ron needs to make the first move. I think he will have to because it is unlikely that Hermione will open herself up for rejection again - particularly considering that she still doesn't know why she was rejected in the first place. But they both have a lot of explaining to do in order to resolve these issues. Whether or not that will actually happen on page remains to be seen.

We're dealing with teenage romance, though. Harry's line in the GoF movie summed it up perfectly - when it comes to a choice between reliving the First Task and asking a girl to the ball, "I think I'd take the dragon". :D And when it comes to Ron and Hermione, it's especially understandable, because they're good friends, and they wouldn't want to ruin that. Just look at Harry's turmoil over Ginny - he was terrified to ask her out for a while, because of what it might have done to his friendship with Ron.

Exactly. :agree:

It's one thing to walk into a dangerous situation and fight together. It's another to put your heart - as well as your friendship - on the line when you're not sure how the other person feels.

Well...it was a HUGE Misunderstandment....but life has those mistakes that you have to learn from, mistakes just dont happen without reasons to be...

We're dealing with teenage romance, though. Harry's line in the GoF movie summed it up perfectly - when it comes to a choice between reliving the First Task and asking a girl to the ball, "I think I'd take the dragon". :D And when it comes to Ron and Hermione, it's especially understandable, because they're good friends, and they wouldn't want to ruin that. Just look at Harry's turmoil over Ginny - he was terrified to ask her out for a while, because of what it might have done to his friendship with Ron.Exactly. They were just still too young and immature in OotP (especially Ron) to talk things out. And they were not yet on the same level, not only maturity-wise, but also regarding the awareness of their feelings for the other. Hermione, I think, was more sure about it in OotP than Ron, who, IMO, just realized what the feelings he already started to have in GoF really were. Apart from that, they are both very insecure.

By the end of HBP, Ron has drawn level with Hermione, IMO. In HBP, he made a big leap in maturity. And he now knows for sure what he wants from a relationship and that Hermione is the one to give him that.

I agree.

Same.
I cant wait!!!!! I need to read DH. (:wow: Restrain myself! R-E-S-T-R-A-I-N!!!! :argh:)

Lol, we'll be all right. lol

Cool new siggy by the way, Potterposse

Focus back to the issue.
Ron + Hermione = love = kiss = marriage = baby weasley-granger = new stories for fan fiction! YES!:cool:

Focus back to the issue.
Ron + Hermione = love = kiss = marriage = baby weasley-granger = new stories for fan fiction! YES!:cool:
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so true lol.

You know, I have to wonder how much we're going to find out what happens to them in the future in the epilogue. Do you guys think we're going to get a detailed discription or just a passing "ron and Hermione live to a ripe old age, were both minister for magic and had twelve children" sort of thing? This is, of course, assuming both live and stay together.

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so true lol.

You know, I have to wonder how much we're going to find out what happens to them in the future in the epilogue. Do you guys think we're going to get a detailed discription or just a passing "ron and Hermione live to a ripe old age, were both minister for magic and had twelve children" sort of thing? This is, of course, assuming both live and stay together.
They´ll live and they´ll stay together. All the build-up over six books has to come to fruition. :love:

I have a feeling, we will not see too far into the future. I mean, at what point in time is JKR supposed to stop? Okay, when Harry dies 159 years old would be latest, but then the epilogue, even if it were just catchwords, would be a book on it´s own.

I hope we will get mention of Ron and Hermione´s professions, them getting married and maybe the number of children. I could do however, with the names and birthdates of these children as well as their professions, spouses, children, their children´s names, birthdates, professions...... Maybe JKR should give us a book

"The Life and Love of Ron and Hermione Weasley"

:welcome: on this thread graceful_me and dragonmaiden50

They´ll live and they´ll stay together. All the build-up over six books has to come to fruition. :love:

I have a feeling, we will not see too far into the future. I mean, at what point in time is JKR supposed to stop? Okay, when Harry dies 159 years old would be latest, but then the epilogue, even if it were just catchwords, would be a book on it´s own.

I hope we will get mention of Ron and Hermione´s professions, them getting married and maybe the number of children. I could do however, with the names and birthdates of these children as well as their professions, spouses, children, their children´s names, birthdates, professions...... Maybe JKR should give us a book

"The Life and Love of Ron and Hermione Weasley"

:welcome: on this thread graceful_me and dragonmaiden50

Hey, I'd buy it! :D Heck, I'd be happy with an anthology of missing moments from their points of view. ;) Jo has discussed doing an encyclopedia for the series at some point - background information, character histories - that sort of thing. I'm really hoping she does that.

As for the epilogue, there are so many possibilities there. Jo could set it at any point in the future - including Harry on his deathbed at 159. ;)

Heck, I'd be happy with an anthology of missing moments from their points of view.
I would love for Jo to do that! If we're not getting prequels, then I'll be happy with something like this.

As for the epilogue, there are so many possibilities there. Jo could set it at any point in the future - including Harry on his deathbed at 159. ;)
That, in my opinion would be one of the best endings to the series, and if Ron and Hermione are included, then it's even better. :D

To be completely honest, I wouldn't want to know anything about their marriage or children. I'm used to them as a teenagers, reading about them as adults would be so odd for me. :p

To be completely honest, I wouldn't want to know anything about their marriage or children. I'm used to them as a teenagers, reading about them as adults would be so odd for me. :p

Well, we'll be reading about them as adults in DH. Ron and Hermione came of age in HBP - they're adults now - and Harry will come of age at the beginning of DH. That was the transition in HBP - moving them from childhood to adulthood. So, does that mean DH will be odd for you? ;)

Hey, I'd buy it! :D Heck, I'd be happy with an anthology of missing moments from their points of view. ;) Jo has discussed doing an encyclopedia for the series at some point - background information, character histories - that sort of thing. I'm really hoping she does that.I´ve already pre-ordered it in my local bookstore. Hm, they were looking a bit confused now that I think about it.... :lol:

To be completely honest, I wouldn't want to know anything about their marriage or children. I'm used to them as a teenagers, reading about them as adults would be so odd for me. :pOh, I wouldn´t mind. I have probably already read too much fan-fiction to find that weird. ;)

I would love for Jo to do that! If we're not getting prequels, then I'll be happy with something like this.

So would I! :)

That, in my opinion would be one of the best endings to the series, and if Ron and Hermione are included, then it's even better. :D

I go back and forth. But I like the idea of the epilogue showing Harry as an old man reflecting on his life - that way we could find out what happened to everybody and it would give Jo some control over anyone else trying to write about Harry later because she has his whole life mapped out - as well as Ginny, Ron, and Hermione. :)

I'd love it if Ron and Hermione announced their love for each other to Harry. I would just hate to see what it does to their friendship if they break up. I also think either Ron or Hermione might die in DH, so think how the surviving one would feel.

Personally I'd be happy enough to read that they all survived and went on to live relatively normal lives. There's already so much speculative future fanfiction out there and Jo seems nowhere near as tetchy about it as some francise holders *cough* Paramount *cough* can be that as long as we have a rough outline of where they're headed I'm sure there'll be enough stories to keep us interested.

Focus back to the issue.
Ron + Hermione = love = kiss = marriage = baby weasley-granger = new stories for fan fiction! YES!:cool:

I think you just wrote one! lol

Cool new siggy by the way, Potterposse

:lol: Thanks.Napoleon makes one heck of a Quirrell...

Hey, I'd buy it! Heck, I'd be happy with an anthology of missing moments from their points of view. Jo has discussed doing an encyclopedia for the series at some point - background information, character histories - that sort of thing. I'm really hoping she does that.

Really? I never heard about that! I hope she does that!

I also think either Ron or Hermione might die in DH, so think how the surviving one would feel.

How sad. :sad: It's possible, but still...sad. :(


Personally I'd be happy enough to read that they all survived and went on to live relatively normal lives. There's already so much speculative future fanfiction out there and Jo seems nowhere near as tetchy about it as some francise holders *cough* Paramount *cough* can be that as long as we have a rough outline of where they're headed I'm sure there'll be enough stories to keep us interested.

I think Warner Brothers does the movies, not Paramount. ;) I agree though...

Hey, I'd buy it! :D Heck, I'd be happy with an anthology of missing moments from their points of view. ;) Jo has discussed doing an encyclopedia for the series at some point - background information, character histories - that sort of thing. I'm really hoping she does that.

As for the epilogue, there are so many possibilities there. Jo could set it at any point in the future - including Harry on his deathbed at 159. ;)

Thats exactly how i want it! Harry growing up to be an old man!

I'd like to see him reminiss about life in genral on his death bed. I would certainly hope that Ron and Hermione would be a part of it. How many times are they gonna have saved eachothers backs before the end of the war is over? I would think that they would be close (not exactly OBHWF close, but close still), and therefore, Harry will have a good view on their lives.

Either that or Jo cracks and gives us all the R/ Hr goodness we crave after the series is done.:love:

Oh, I'm sure they'll be close enough for Harry to give us a good idea of what happened to them, if that's the path Jo chooses.

Do you guys think we're going to get a detailed discription or just a passing "ron and Hermione live to a ripe old age, were both minister for magic and had twelve children" sort of thing?

I have a feeling the epilogue will take us to the year 2007 and no further. Just a hunch.

Oh, I'm sure they'll be close enough for Harry to give us a good idea of what happened to them, if that's the path Jo chooses.JKR already told us the epilogue will show what happend to the characters who survive. It could be just a kind of 'glossary' in which she gives us in catchwords the outline of the character´s future lives.

Either way, we will find out about Ron and Hermione (who I have steadfast on my 'will live'- list :tu: ) and their future life. And for a variety of reasons I, and many others, have already mentioned, I see them together, eventually married with X number of children.

I have a feeling the epilogue will take us to the year 2007 and no further. Just a hunch.I have been thinking about that as well and I like the idea. It would give us 9 years into the future, enough time for the younger characters to finish school, pursue careers, find and marry life-partners, have children (the kind of things a sappy woman like I am wants to know). :love:

The problem with this 'theory' however is , that JKR, when she wrote the epilogue, couldn´t know if and when she would be published. It is a bit of a coincidence all in all, that there will be exactly 10 years between the release of the first and the last book. When she wrote the epilogue back in 1991, she knew the story would end in 1998, but she could not know the last book would be published in 2007. Therefore it is possible that the epilogue wouldn´t take us further than 2000 for example. Or maybe she would go into 2222 for example. 2007 would be coincidence, IMO.

I know, I meant if the epilogue is on Harry's death bed, or from Harry's point of view at all.

Well, whatever time the epilogue is placed in, it will be great...I think she probably just did something like "ten years later" no specific time or date.

To be completely honest, I wouldn't want to know anything about their marriage or children. I'm used to them as a teenagers, reading about them as adults would be so odd for me. :p

Me too...plus it is good for the reader to use their own imagination to figure out what happens to these two. And I think that Rowling will let the reader have the freedom to do that.

Well, yes, but this series has been so long it would just feel wrong to not know where they ended up, in my opinion. I mean, we’ve followed them all through their teen years, I think would be nice to know what Rowling sees happening to them.

Well, we'll be reading about them as adults in DH. Ron and Hermione came of age in HBP - they're adults now - and Harry will come of age at the beginning of DH. That was the transition in HBP - moving them from childhood to adulthood. So, does that mean DH will be odd for you? ;)

Oh, no, I meant the marriage and children stuff only. It would be a bit too much for me.

Oh, no, I meant the marriage and children stuff only. It would be a bit too much for me.

Ahh, I understand. Well, I don't think that will actually be part of the story. If anything, it would just be something mentioned in the epilogue.

How do you think the Grangers and Mr ad Mrs Weasley will react when their kids announce that they're going to "run away" with Harry (and possibly skip their last school year, if Hogwarts re-opens).

I imagine Molly won't take it too well but ultimately she can't really do anything about it since Ron is of age now. As for Hermione's parents, JKR has kept them in the background so far and I don't see them suddenly becoming important figures. It seems Hermione doesn't tell them much and they are largely unaware of the happenings in the wizarding world.

Oh, man we’ve pretty much abandoned this poor thread haven’t we?

Anyway, if I were Ron or Hermione, I wouldn’t announce it. It’s too important to risk interference.

Oh, man we’ve pretty much abandoned this poor thread haven’t we?

There's only so much you can talk about during the 2 years between the books. :) And this is already volume 5 of the thread.


Anyway, if I were Ron or Hermione, I wouldn’t announce it. It’s too important to risk interference.

I think they will tell their parents they're going away, but probably not the reasons why. There's not really anything they can do to stop them.

They could interfere though, and that could be more dangerous than anything. Parents can be irrational when they are desperate, and Molly in particular would be likely to freak out. I think it would be a bad idea to tell them. Hermione and Ron are likely to realize that.

I agree, but they cannot lie to them at the same time, they have to find a loophole (:D), but hopefully if it does gets out, they will understand that its for the greater good, remain calm....doubt that they will, but hopefully.

They could interfere though, and that could be more dangerous than anything. Parents can be irrational when they are desperate, and Molly in particular would be likely to freak out. I think it would be a bad idea to tell them. Hermione and Ron are likely to realize that.

I agree and disagree. The significant factor is that all three of them will be of age at that point. Ron and Hermione came of age in HBP - Harry will come of age shortly after DH begins. In that regard, there is not much that their parents can do. They can't forbid them not to go - they can't force them to return to school. Fred and George demonstrated that in OOTP.

However, while nobody can forbid them to do anything, they can make things more difficult for them. In that regard, I can see them being concerned. Although, I don't think that Molly would intentionally do something that would put them in danger.

I agree because - regardless of them being of age and whether or not Molly would throw a fit - Harry has made the decision to follow Dumbledore's orders that they keep it between the three of them. So I don't see them making an announcement that they're going off to find Voldemort's Horcruxes or that they are not returning to school.

I'm curious how Jo is going to work around that. Obviously, they're going to have to come up with something to tell everyone to explain why they're leaving. They could just slip off without telling anyone, but that would present the risk of the parents freaking out even more. Especially when you look at things like Fortescue and Ollivander disappearing in HBP.

Hermione's pretty well set with her parents. She's spent the last two summers with the Weasleys so she can just tell her parents she's doing that again and send them an owl from time to time to maintain that. Likewise, her parents really wouldn't have any way of knowing whether or not she returned to school unless someone else informed them.

So it's really just the Weasleys that are a concern. It's feasible that they will just tell them that it's something Dumbledore entrusted them to do and leave it at that. They are of age and there really isn't anything Molly or Arthur could do in regards of forbidding them. But it's also feasible that they will try to avoid that and come up with something to explain their absence as well. I'm curious as to which route Jo will take.

Ron and Hermione have acted like 'a couple' since the first book. They argue, they make up, it just seemed that they would be an item and the wedding should cement the relationship.
Harry, on the other hand might be worried about their safety for each other while on the search for the Horcruxes....maybe Harry will be worried about watching his own back, rather than Ron worrying about Hermy.

How do you think the Grangers and Mr ad Mrs Weasley will react when their kids announce that they're going to "run away" with Harry (and possibly skip their last school year, if Hogwarts re-opens).

I imagine Molly won't take it too well but ultimately she can't really do anything about it since Ron is of age now. As for Hermione's parents, JKR has kept them in the background so far and I don't see them suddenly becoming important figures. It seems Hermione doesn't tell them much and they are largely unaware of the happenings in the wizarding world.
That's an interesting question and not an easy one to answer. In some respects I think that Ron and Hermione would like to keep a tight lid on what they're planning to do but on the other they have to tell the parents, especially Molly, something. I can really imagine Ron digging his heels in with Molly and matching her head to head in this instance, much as Arthur does on the important issues.

I'm not so sure about the Grangers, with what's happened to Hermione over the years they have to be aware of the risks she's been facing particularly after second year and the Ministry battle in fifth year, the consiquences of both she'd have a hard time concealing from them. Still they've been very much background characters for a while now. I'm completely without a clue on that one.

I agree and disagree. The significant factor is that all three of them will be of age at that point. Ron and Hermione came of age in HBP - Harry will come of age shortly after DH begins. In that regard, there is not much that their parents can do. They can't forbid them not to go - they can't force them to return to school. Fred and George demonstrated that in OOTP.
Yes and I think that demonstration was important too.

However, while nobody can forbid them to do anything, they can make things more difficult for them. In that regard, I can see them being concerned. Although, I don't think that Molly would intentionally do something that would put them in danger.
If they're honest with Molly I think she'll understand what they need to do and stand behind them. She may not like it but I think once she understands the consequences of failure she won't do anything to hamper them. I'm more concerned about the Ministry in that respect, Scrimgeour is no ally of Harry's and Umbridge is still there and has a big nasty bone to pick with Hermione. Come to think about it Hermione has brassed off more than a few people who could cause her problems through the years, there's Rita, the Malfoys, Umbridge, Marietta and her Mother (whom we know works for the ministry). Some of those could come back to cause them problems in Deathly Hallows.

I agree because - regardless of them being of age and whether or not Molly would throw a fit - Harry has made the decision to follow Dumbledore's orders that they keep it between the three of them. So I don't see them making an announcement that they're going off to find Voldemort's Horcruxes or that they are not returning to school.
I think they'll share some confidences with others but not the full story. Ginny will likely have some idea what's up as will Arthur and Molly, maybe Remus too.

I'm curious how Jo is going to work around that. Obviously, they're going to have to come up with something to tell everyone to explain why they're leaving. They could just slip off without telling anyone, but that would present the risk of the parents freaking out even more. Especially when you look at things like Fortescue and Ollivander disappearing in HBP.
Which is why I think they'll be sharing some parts of what they're intending with the Weasleys.

Hermione's pretty well set with her parents. She's spent the last two summers with the Weasleys so she can just tell her parents she's doing that again and send them an owl from time to time to maintain that. Likewise, her parents really wouldn't have any way of knowing whether or not she returned to school unless someone else informed them.
I don't know about that, surely after some of her previous misadventures they must be aware that something is up. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Granger cameo in Deathly Hallows.

So it's really just the Weasleys that are a concern. It's feasible that they will just tell them that it's something Dumbledore entrusted them to do and leave it at that. They are of age and there really isn't anything Molly or Arthur could do in regards of forbidding them. But it's also feasible that they will try to avoid that and come up with something to explain their absence as well. I'm curious as to which route Jo will take.
I'm quite undecided on this, frankly I've seen so many different theorys and takes on it that I'm just as happy to wait for the book.

Are we there yet? :grumble:

However, while nobody can forbid them to do anything, they can make things more difficult for them. In that regard, I can see them being concerned. Although, I don't think that Molly would intentionally do something that would put them in danger.If they give her a good explanation (of course they won´t tell her about the horcruxes), I think Molly wouldn´t do anything, neither intentionally out of concern or unintentionally, that could create problems for the trio. Technically, she can´t do anything to prevent them from going where they want. Ron is of age, and she can´t really tell Harry and Hermione what to do, apart from the fact that they are of age as well. Therefore, I think, Ron would be the one who has to confront his mother and who will possibly be the object of a fit or anything. And I think that can be a good thing for Ron to finally disengage from being Molly´s Ronniekins, and show that he is a grown-up man after all.

I agree because - regardless of them being of age and whether or not Molly would throw a fit - Harry has made the decision to follow Dumbledore's orders that they keep it between the three of them. So I don't see them making an announcement that they're going off to find Voldemort's Horcruxes or that they are not returning to school.Well, since I think they will be returning to school in September for a more or less regular seventh year, the only problem will be to tell their parents where they are going during the summer break, right? Ron and Hermione first have to break their parents the news that they will be staying with Harry at the Dursleys. They could well explain that with the trauma from Dumbledore´s death. They need each other´s comfort. Next, after the wedding, is Godric´s Hollow. I think Molly and Arthur will understand that Harry, finally, wants to see his parent´s graves. The only problem could arise, if Arthur and Molly insist on someone from the Order accompanying them for safety reasons. As soon as the trio is back at Hogwarts, it seems it is only McGongall who has to be convinced to let them leave occasionally.

Especially when you look at things like Fortescue and Ollivander disappearing in HBP.Yes, I think wherever they leave, they have to give some explanation. It would be outright cruel just to disappear and leave their family in worry.

Hermione's pretty well set with her parents. She's spent the last two summers with the Weasleys so she can just tell her parents she's doing that again and send them an owl from time to time to maintain that. Likewise, her parents really wouldn't have any way of knowing whether or not she returned to school unless someone else informed them.I have a feeling the Grangers don´t know too much about what happens in the wizarding world, and what happened to Hermione during the past years. I mean, in CoS, she was petrified and none of her parents showed up in the hospital wing, although, maybe muggles just can´t enter Hogwarts. I wonder, if they even got informed. If they have little to no idea, it could work for Hermione.

I can really imagine Ron digging his heels in with Molly and matching her head to head in this instance, much as Arthur does on the important issues.:agree:

I'm not so sure about the Grangers, with what's happened to Hermione over the years they have to be aware of the risks she's been facing particularly after second year and the Ministry battle in fifth year, the consiquences of both she'd have a hard time concealing from them. Still they've been very much background characters for a while now. I'm completely without a clue on that one.As I said above, I have a feeling they don´t know that much. Therefore, it is possible it will be really just the Weasleys the trio has to deal with.

I think they'll share some confidences with others but not the full story. Ginny will likely have some idea what's up as will Arthur and Molly, maybe Remus too.:agree: At one point or the other they need help from others. They just can´t do it all alone.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Granger cameo in Deathly Hallows.At Ron and Hermione´s wedding in the epilouge? :angel:

:birthday: Happy 27th Birthday, Ron!!!

If the parents interfere it could put more people in danger though. I don’t see how the Weasleys could be anything but a hindrance if they knew. The Grangers obviously believe Hermione’s lies so they should not be a problem, but when it comes to Arthur and Molly-especially Molly- I think they would be better off with, not lies, but perhaps a few… omissions?

Oh, yes, and Happy Birthday, Ron!!!

As for Ron and Hermione, I'm very interested to see how they will get along with the Dursleys, since they'll be adult in the wizard world, I think there will be some kind of closure (maybe even more so since Dumbledores visit) between Harry and the Dursleys, and Ron and Hermione might be helping him out on that one, even giving him their support, even if Harry claims not to need it when it comes to the Dursleys (poor boy, he don't expect anything but bad news from them).

It would certainly be entertaining if the now-legal Ron or Hermione were to use magic on or in front of the Dursleys.

I have recently read alot of fan-fics set during Book 7, saying that Hermione and Ron will confess their love for eachother and be bf and gf. I have to say that I definitly think this will not happen, as one of them is 80% likely to die (based on things JKR has said), and they could not even romanticly love eachother anyway, as they are only 17-18. I think age plays a big part in love relaionships.

Could not disagree more. What has Jo said that implies, to you, that Hermione or Ron will die? If they will die, why shouldn’t they at least get to spend their last few months together? And I think most would agree that you could really fall in love at seventeen or eighteen. They are not children.

Could not disagree more. What has Jo said that implies, to you, that Hermione or Ron will die? If they will die, why shouldn’t they at least get to spend their last few months together? And I think most would agree that you could really fall in love at seventeen or eighteen. They are not children.


JKR has said that a character the reader is close to will die, and also that two characters she had not planned on dying will die. That is were I am drawing that conclusion.

I really don't think they will have time to "go out", as they will be with Harry, looking for Horcruxes. Its a dangerous mission, and they shouldn't be distracted by that sort of thing.

Don't get me wrong, I am a huge Ron/Hermione shipper. I just don't think that the series wil end the way so many people think it will, like with Ron and Hermione together and everyone happy.

Ok, but remember that there are dozens of characters we are close to.

Also, very few people are implying that they will “go out”. They will simply be together. A couple with a true connection can get by without “dating”. I think most of the regulars on this board agree that it would be a comfort for them just to know how each other feels, know that they can be together if they both get out of this alive, and perhaps be able to share a kiss if the opportunity presents itself in the hard times. Just because it is a difficult situation does not mean that they should be miserable the whole time.

They will be less help if they are distracted by unrequited love, as they have been in the past. They will not allow their relationship to get in the way, but they can’t help if they are distracted by something like keeping their feelings a secret. Once they are relieved of that burden they will be much more help to Harry.

JKR has said that a character the reader is close to will die, and also that two characters she had not planned on dying will die. That is were I am drawing that conclusion.

However, she has also given clues that they wont die. Not only that, but I feel she considers around 30-40 characters 'main characters' that are close to the reader. Although I am not certain that they both will live, 5 certainly think their chances of living are higher than 20%.

I really don't think they will have time to "go out", as they will be with Harry, looking for Horcruxes. Its a dangerous mission, and they shouldn't be distracted by that sort of thing.

I also think that "going out" would be distracting. However, I feel they will tell each other how they feel,and near the start if the book. This is because they have repressed their feelings for so long that not to tell the other could be just as dangerous. As well as that I feel that JKR cannot prolong the storyline between them any longer than she already has.

I feel that they will become a couple in the sense that they will be aware of how the other feels and possibly have some cute moments together. However, I feel the dynamic of their relationship wont change much as they already are very close, and the more sucessful couples (like JKR has set Ron/Hermione up as) must be just as good as friends as they are as a "couple" (Ron/Lavander :lol:), or in most case better.

EDIT:Already replied and much more eloquently than I could manage. Good one RWeasleysgirl

Agreed. And also, if they were at Hogwarts they wouldn’t really be able to “date” anyway.

Could not disagree more. What has Jo said that implies, to you, that Hermione or Ron will die? If they will die, why shouldn’t they at least get to spend their last few months together? And I think most would agree that you could really fall in love at seventeen or eighteen. They are not children.

I totally agree. I think Ron and Hermione are now very mature for their age (after HBP incidents) and they can fall in love at 17 or 18 (my best friend did, and no, it was not a shotgun wedding. That was love folks). As a matter of fact, I think they are already in love, they just haven't acted on it yet.

I agree. I think they have been in love for some time now, but they have not been ready to act on it until after the Ron/Lavendar incident. After that they were ready but the time had not presented itself yet. I’m sure it will soon.

I agree as well. They pretty much understand they have to confess by now,especially since they officially can say to themselves that they do indeed love the other one; its too much to contain in at this point. If anything, it'd cause a lot of stress if they dont get it out of thier system.

Definitely.

Could not disagree more. What has Jo said that implies, to you, that Hermione or Ron will die? If they will die, why shouldn’t they at least get to spend their last few months together? And I think most would agree that you could really fall in love at seventeen or eighteen. They are not children.

I agree. I'd say the odds on Ron or Hermione dying pretty much went to 0 after the dinner party question at the New York reading. ;)

Jo has created a world that has a very Victorian feel to it. As we've discussed several times, there are quite a few differences from the real world. They finish their education and start their careers around 18 years old. Jo has shown various couples in the series that got together at Hogwarts and married soon after - the Weasleys, the Potters, and even the Malfoys. The Longbottoms would probably fall into that as well, but I don't think we were given their ages so it's difficult to be sure.

Because of those differences, their age really isn't a factor. It's really not any different than any other young couple starting out after they finish their education.

Ok, but remember that there are dozens of characters we are close to.

Also, very few people are implying that they will “go out”. They will simply be together. A couple with a true connection can get by without “dating”. I think most of the regulars on this board agree that it would be a comfort for them just to know how each other feels, know that they can be together if they both get out of this alive, and perhaps be able to share a kiss if the opportunity presents itself in the hard times. Just because it is a difficult situation does not mean that they should be miserable the whole time.

Exactly. The fact that they could die is a significant factor. They won't want to waste any more time than they already have. Being a couple is not signified by going out on dates. Being is a couple is about telling each other how you feel and being there for each other.

They will be less help if they are distracted by unrequited love, as they have been in the past. They will not allow their relationship to get in the way, but they can’t help if they are distracted by something like keeping their feelings a secret. Once they are relieved of that burden they will be much more help to Harry.

Definitely. :agree:

Exactly. The fact that they could die is a significant factor. They won't want to waste any more time than they already have. Being a couple is not signified by going out on dates. Being is a couple is about telling each other how you feel and being there for each other.

:agree: Hopefully (most likely) thier relationship happens in the early stage of the book, they will have some time to "go out", I guess, like for a nice walk or just simply enjoy thier company. they will have time to do those things, before and during the wedding, maybe a few days afterwards; they will want to spend as many happy peaceful moments together because of the death-factor, and hopefully they will.

JKR has said that a character the reader is close to will die, and also that two characters she had not planned on dying will die. That is were I am drawing that conclusion.Ron and Hermione are major characters and their fates will have been set from the beginning. I don´t see JKR all of a sudden change her mind about the life or death of one of the major characters. There are more main characters the reader has grown close to, look only at how many fans Hagrid, the twins, Luna and Neville have. Look at all the people still 'mourning' Sirius, who was a main character, but not a major character like Ron and Hermione.

That being said, I do believe as well that Ron and Hermione will live, and happily married at that. JKR has set up this relationship for six books, with foreshadowing in the first two books, the first hints and clues in PoA, and from GoF onwards, anvil sized hints. It would seem to be a largely moot point to do that, only to kill one or both of them off in the end. Plus, I think she slipped up in NY last August. :D

I really don't think they will have time to "go out", as they will be with Harry, looking for Horcruxes. Its a dangerous mission, and they shouldn't be distracted by that sort of thing.They won´t be able to date in the traditional sense, but they can be together nevertheless. I personally even think they will go back to Hogwarts as students. That means, Ron and Hermione´s romantic relationship will be much like Harry and Ginny´s was.

As for their age: Arthur and Molly started dating in fourth year, if my memory serves me right. They eloped, married young, had seven children and still love each other dearly and lead a good marriage. Lily and James started dating in seventh year, married young, had Harry and tragically were murdered when they were 21.

In real life, 17/18 might be a bit young to find their life partner (although it does happen from time to time), but in JKR´s fictional world it is perfectly possible to fall in love at that age. And the relationship between Ron and Hermione is already far beyond a teenage crush anyway. Their close friendship, which was a hindrance up until now to take a risk with each other, will be the advantage in their actual relationship.

I don’t think age is even an issue at this point anyway. They obviously love each other, so I don’t think it matters if they are seventeen or ninety. You cannot determine the success of a relationship solely on age.

true. But age can help sometimes with the maturity factor. But we allready know by now they both finally reached that level.

That being said, I do believe as well that Ron and Hermione will live, and happily married at that. JKR has set up this relationship for six books, with foreshadowing in the first two books, the first hints and clues in PoA, and from GoF onwards, anvil sized hints. It would seem to be a largely moot point to do that, only to kill one or both of them off in the end.
I don't know, what if she really had this planned? Hints or no, it could be devastating like nothing before if either Ron or Hermione was to feel the first true loss in the war, cause these two has, for everything you can get being Harrys sidekicks, has some pure luck throughout the years. Ron was knocked out by a Chess Queen, Hermione was petrified, Hermione was hit by a curse from Dolohov who could have killed her, Ron was ensnared by a brain (ew) and later he was poisoned. But they have been able to get out of it everytime. Until maybe DH, when there will be noone who can help them, and no Felix elixir. It will be interesting to see Ron and Hermione on their own (with Harry, of course) without any protectors or elixirs that gives you luck.

As for them happily marrying, I hope that's something for the epilogue, provided that they both survive LV. Personally, I just know I will wish for more when it's all over. The "everyone settles down, you will never hear anything about them again" are so sad when it comes to books like this, when you've grown attached to the characters.

I don't know, what if she really had this planned? Hints or no, it could be devastating like nothing before if either Ron or Hermione was to feel the first true loss in the war, cause these two has, for everything you can get being Harrys sidekicks, has some pure luck throughout the years. But that would mean, JKR kills them off for pure shock-value, and she wouldn´t do that. Especially not with her major characters. Plus, if she had been going for shock-value, it would be equally tragic if she had built-up the R/Hr relationship for lets say two books. But six? And then killing one or both of them off? Why bother with the build-up in the first place then? Seems to me personally a big waste of page-time.

Ron was knocked out by a Chess Queen, Hermione was petrified, Hermione was hit by a curse from Dolohov who could have killed her, Ron was ensnared by a brain (ew) and later he was poisoned. But they have been able to get out of it everytime. Until maybe DH, when there will be noone who can help them, and no Felix elixir. It will be interesting to see Ron and Hermione on their own (with Harry, of course) without any protectors or elixirs that gives you luck. All three of them had pure luck from time to time. Although, I see Ron surviving the poison as Harry´s credit. He remembered the bezoar and reacted fast. But I somehow don´t see Ron almost dying from the poison in HBP only to get killed in the next book.


As for them happily marrying, I hope that's something for the epilogue, provided that they both survive LV. Personally, I just know I will wish for more when it's all over. The "everyone settles down, you will never hear anything about them again" are so sad when it comes to books like this, when you've grown attached to the characters.Oh, I´m sure she will give us a general idea of what happens to those who survive. Possibly enough to keep the fan-fiction going on.

But that would mean, JKR kills them off for pure shock-value, and she wouldn´t do that. Especially not with her major characters. Plus, if she had been going for shock-value, it would be equally tragic if she had built-up the R/Hr relationship for lets say two books. But six? And then killing one or both of them off? Why bother with the build-up in the first place then? Seems to me personally a big waste of page-time.

She could kill them for another reason, but it would still be a high shock-value. She wouldn't kill them because of the shock-value, but because that they go up against LV, who has killed every wizard he has fought but one, that alone will raise their to die percentage with 99% (the last % is the chance that LV just ignores them and goes for Harry instead). And while it is a big waste of page-time for Ron and Hermione to build up all that (arguing, arguing :lol: ) and then die, well, who said the world was perfect? Specially with them at the front of the war. That said, I don't think it will happen, but I just cannot help to wonder: What if..

And while it is a big waste of page-time for Ron and Hermione to build up all that (arguing, arguing :lol: ) and then die, well, who said the world was perfect? Specially with them at the front of the war. That said, I don't think it will happen, but I just cannot help to wonder: What if..
The world is defintely not perfect, but we are talking about fiction here. Everything happens how JKR decides. And when she decides to build-up the Ron/Hermione romance, the bickering couple style :lol: , over the whole series, I think she has to go somewhere with it. It has to have some kind of future, IMO. Otherwise, I would sit there and ask myself 'Why?'

The couples in the HP books tend to hook up while in school, stay together, and marry young. This pattern will probably be true for Ron and Hermione, too. JK Rowling has successfully kept them away from each other for 6 years so that they can play the roles of faithful sidekicks, not lustful lovers. I think they will be pretty busy in DH trying to find horcruxes. We may see some sort of battle scene with them fighting bad guys and protecting each other. They will deepen their relationship in that book, and we will finally see them kiss. There may even be a time when Ron has to pull off some really good magic or prove his bravery (which he has done before) to help Hermione out of a sticky situation. But they will live, marry and have a well-earned and quiet life.

There is nothing left to say at the moment; SusanBones has said it all.

There is nothing left to say at the moment; SusanBones has said it all.Yes, I agree. Wonderfully said, SusanBones111. :clap:

I think no one on this thread expects to see Ron and Hermione the lustful lovers ;) in DH anyway. They will be a couple early on, IMO, but they will keep it low profile. That is consistent with how JKR writes. She has not given us much of Harry and Ginny either, although it´s the hero´s love story and we see everything from his pov. We will notice that Ron and Hermione are together from time to time. Not necessarily through some sort of PDAs, besides a good-night kiss maybe or holding hands once in a while. But it will be noticeable that the UT is gone.

Also, very few people are implying that they will “go out”. They will simply be together. A couple with a true connection can get by without “dating”. I think most of the regulars on this board agree that it would be a comfort for them just to know how each other feels, know that they can be together if they both get out of this alive, and perhaps be able to share a kiss if the opportunity presents itself in the hard times.

I agree. They've liked each other for ages, their lives are in danger and they've got to help their best friend destroy an evil megalomaniac wizard. Maybe not the time for a movie.

Also, I think Molly mentioned something in HBP about a lot of couples eloping the first time Voldemort was powerful, so a lot of people (Like Bill and Fleur, I guess) will probably do the same this time around. I'm not saying that Ron and Hermione will do this, I'm just saying how much the fact that you could wake up one day and find out that the person you love is dead makes a difference.

Exactly, and Hermione might be extra vulnerable to this idea because she just recently almost lost him already. If Harry had not saved Ron when he was poisoned in HBP, in her mind at least, he could have died thinking she hated him. She will not want to make the same mistake twice.

ron and hermione are more that a crush. They will go out, but it won't be normal. They already love each other, they just need the currage to say so!

exactly. I think the only real time they will have together will be at the Weaslys and Wedding.

If they even have that. I don’t think they will be too… couplish… at any point. They won’t be Ron/Lavendar anyway. I don’t think Ron and Hermione need a honeymoon phase to be all lovey dovey. They will just be together.

Yes, I agree. Wonderfully said, SusanBones111. :clap:
:agree:

I think no one on this thread expects to see Ron and Hermione the lustful lovers ;) in DH anyway.
I'm glad you added that last bit because they really are a couple of passionate types and I could see them translating that into their personal relationship ... after Voldemort is defeated. :eyebrows:

They will be a couple early on, IMO, but they will keep it low profile. That is consistent with how JKR writes. She has not given us much of Harry and Ginny either, although it´s the hero´s love story and we see everything from his pov. We will notice that Ron and Hermione are together from time to time. Not necessarily through some sort of PDAs, besides a good-night kiss maybe or holding hands once in a while. But it will be noticeable that the UT is gone.
True, we'll get to see the result but not the details, which would be unlikely to occur in Harry's range of vision anyway. As you said Jo did this with Harry and Ginny too, concentrating on the results rather than the intricacies, which is fair enough too given these aren't Mills and Boone.

If they even have that. I don’t think they will be too… couplish… at any point. They won’t be Ron/Lavendar anyway. I don’t think Ron and Hermione need a honeymoon phase to be all lovey dovey. They will just be together.
I mentioned in the Harry and Ginny thread that Ron and Hermione's relationship is one that has almost progressed back to front to a more conventional one. They've done the 'get to know you' stage, the 'first major argument' stage and the ... ahem ... infidelity stage before they've even made it official so that by the time they do so I feel they'll almost fall into it like a long term 'old married' couple. As Ronjalina said the only thing to change will be the loss of the previous tension, other than that their 'operational relationship' will remain very similar.

:agree:


I'm glad you added that last bit because they really are a couple of passionate types and I could see them translating that into their personal relationship ... after Voldemort is defeated. :eyebrows:

I agree. It's possible that they will find a bit of time to themselves at some point, but that's really not going to be shown on page. Jo wouldn't be able to show that on page without making Harry look like a voyeur. :lol:

True, we'll get to see the result but not the details, which would be unlikely to occur in Harry's range of vision anyway. As you said Jo did this with Harry and Ginny too, concentrating on the results rather than the intricacies, which is fair enough too given these aren't Mills and Boone.

I mentioned in the Harry and Ginny thread that Ron and Hermione's relationship is one that has almost progressed back to front to a more conventional one. They've done the 'get to know you' stage, the 'first major argument' stage and the ... ahem ... infidelity stage before they've even made it official so that by the time they do so I feel they'll almost fall into it like a long term 'old married' couple. As Ronjalina said the only thing to change will be the loss of the previous tension, other than that their 'operational relationship' will remain very similar.

Exactly. :agree:

I'd say the closest we'll get to a "honeymoon phase" with Ron and Hermione will be a period of euphoria - both of them so happy that they finally have everything resolved that nothing bothers them. But I doubt that would last too long and, overall, their won't be much change in their relationship in terms of how they interact with each other. The tension will be gone - at least the tension of having things unresolved - and we might see some more "couple type" behavior with them holding hands, hugging, being more relaxed around each other, possibly a good night kiss here and there - but nothing overly mushy. It's not going to be another Snogwarts Creek.

When Ron and Hermione are going to get together in DH I hope it's very romantic. :love:

lol . . . but we all know it won't be. As has been said that is the way JKR writes . . . it will be very low key. Im expecting there to be "glances" that Harry notices at the wedding at significant points, and the usual hand holding has been mentioned.


I also think there is way too much to fit in to get all mushy over what in fairness has been coming for a long time. The only thing i would say is that JKR has said that Krum will reappear: what will this do for the Ron/Hermione relationship????

I think it depends on how you define romance. I think that it would be impossible for it not to be romantic. The very idea is romantic. That does not mean flowers and candlelit dinners, but real romance.

I think it depends on how you define romance. I think that it would be impossible for it not to be romantic. The very idea is romantic. That does not mean flowers and candlelit dinners, but real romance.

I agree . . . though JKR doesnt even have to deal with it . . . when we rejoin *** story they could already be together which would mean it would happen in the interlude so to speak and the actual "getting together" would not have to be dealt with as such.

I just hope they don't snog in front of us...
Anyway, REALLY low key. There are much more important things then their love...
*not rude...*

I just hope they don't snog in front of us...
Anyway, REALLY low key. There are much more important things then their love...
*not rude...*

lol . . . well said, although i believe that one of the overriding outcomes of DH will be that love conquers all, so i guess it will have to come up in passing. I agree with the no snogging . . . i dont think they would because it would just make Harry feel rubbish (especially given as he had to split with Ginny).

Jo has spent far too much on the storyline to let them get together between books. I think we will see it. As for the snogging, I would be thrilled to see it. They deserve it.

Yes, but the thought of HERMIONE snogging...ack. Just remember "Won Won"...

I can imagine Hermione snogging. In fact, I’ve always considered myself a bit like Hermione, and I’ve certainly snogged. She’s a very passionate person, as is Ron, and they’re in love. Why shouldn’t they?

In fairness, she spent longer/more time/effort, developing Harry and Ginny and see how that turned out . . . they kissed, they were together, they had good times, they split up.

Unless DH starts just where we left off from HBP i can't see how we will get to see them getting together, given as they were arguably together at the end of HBP. As for the snogging . . . hmm, i think im just to old to appreciate that young love anymore so im not going to comment. Though as has been said before . . .its not mills and boons.


EDIT: RWEasley girl: we're not saying they WON'T snog . . .we just won't necessarily see it. AS we see most things from Harry's point of view it's a bit harsh for them to be snogging in front of him the whole time so i think the general consensus is we won't see much snogging.

No, I completely disagree. Ron and Hermione is a much more developed romance than Harry and Ginny is. Both are good, but Ron and Hermione definitely get the spotlight when it comes to romance.

I don’t think Jo would not show us the finalization of their relationship after building it up so much. They were not together at the end of HBP. They were close, but really Ron was just comforting his best friend at a funeral. Again, you might find it useful to read more of this thread, because this is nothing we have not discussed before.

No, I completely disagree. Ron and Hermione is a much more developed romance than Harry and Ginny is. Both are good, but Ron and Hermione definitely get the spotlight when it comes to romance.

I don’t think Jo would not show us the finalization of their relationship after building it up so much. They were not together at the end of HBP. They were close, but really Ron was just comforting his best friend at a funeral. Again, you might find it useful to read more of this thread, because this is nothing we have not discussed before.


lol . . . i have a feeling we're just not going to agree on anything. Id point out all i was doing was mosmordre in terms of hoping there won't be overly large amounts of snogging.

And in fairness the only way we're ever going to know who's right is on 21/07/07 . . . .

lol . . . i have a feeling we're just not going to agree on anything. Id point out all i was doing was mosmordre in terms of hoping there won't be overly large amounts of snogging

ACK.
Don't bring me into this ^^
haha.
Yeah, well everyone's relationships are more developed than Harry/Ginny's, arn't they?
I mean, to me, ALL of it seemed kind of sudden.
But I always knew Hermione would end up with Ron, eventually...

ACK.
Don't bring me into this ^^
haha.
Yeah, well everyone's relationships are more developed than Harry/Ginny's, arn't they?
I mean, to me, ALL of it seemed kind of sudden.
But I always knew Hermione would end up with Ron, eventually...

Sorry mate, didnt mean to bring you in.

Ha, I was kidding.
I LOVE to be in the spotlight!
HAHA.
Everytime you say mate, I keep thinking Of James Potter the Australian Dragon Hunter...
Yes I know random.

Anyway, back to topic.

I thought Jo said that the romance is there, but it's more of a "I love you, but Harry's needs are greater than ours."
or something like that ^^

we're not saying they WON'T snog . . .we just won't necessarily see it. AS we see most things from Harry's point of view it's a bit harsh for them to be snogging in front of him the whole time so i think the general consensus is we won't see much snogging.
Exactly. :agree:
As big a R/Hr fan that I am, I've always wondered how Harry would react once they got together. I think it would be very insensitive and cruel for them to just snog their hearts out in front of him. (having witnessed one of my best friends do this in front of me when I was single, I can only imagined how awkward it would be if it were both your best friends...:scared:)
I think the snog fest will be more for the fanfics. We might see a good kiss at the very end, after everything is over and done, but other than that, I doubt we'll see much other than little cutsey things to signal their together-ness.

I can imagine Hermione snogging. In fact, I’ve always considered myself a bit like Hermione, and I’ve certainly snogged. She’s a very passionate person, as is Ron, and they’re in love. Why shouldn’t they?

umm...thanks for sharing? lol, sorry. Well, yeah, agree..I can actually picture a scene where Harry walks in on thier kiss/snog and just walk away with a "well, not suprised" relived look on his face.

I don’t think Jo would not show us the finalization of their relationship after building it up so much. They were not together at the end of HBP. They were close, but really Ron was just comforting his best friend at a funeral.

:agree: But...definately a start.:cool:

ACK.
Don't bring me into this ^^
haha.
Yeah, well everyone's relationships are more developed than Harry/Ginny's, arn't they?
I mean, to me, ALL of it seemed kind of sudden.
But I always knew Hermione would end up with Ron, eventually...

Lol. It wasnt too sudden for me actually... both thier relationships have been paced well.

Lol . . . its nice to see some people agree with where im coming from . . .Even if it has been discussed before.

In truth, ive always thought that Ron and hermione would be the happily ever after part of the story . . . that would keep all the romantics happy.

I think it will be romantic. It doesn't have to take a lot of time.

I’m not talking about a Ron/Lavendaresque snog, I’m just saying that the passion is there. And I don’t think they will sit around making out in front of him, but perhaps if they were to get caught up in a moment, or if he were to walk in on them.

I agree, Hermione is no Lav-Lav...certainly wouldnt want to be compared to her.:lol:

Sudden awkward question came to my head. When if, after they kiss...Hermione creates the most awkward moment by asking one question. "Now, Ron...Who is the better kisser? Lav-Lav or me?"

RUN RON, RUN!!!!!!:lol:
really.

~dont ask...it just poped in my head. :nc:~

Lol, maybe in a fanfiction, but I don’t think Hermione would really do that.

Lol, if that happens there is only one answer. Lav-=Lav..... ;-)

Lol, if that happens there is only one answer. Lav-=Lav..... ;-)

If he’s an idiot!

Lol, maybe in a fanfiction, but I don’t think Hermione would really do that.

Oh, I allready know that. Just a funny thought that came to me.:lol:

Can you picture that happening and seeing Ron's face? thats what cracks me up.:err:

If he’s an idiot!
:rotfl: He'd better have a plane ticket to America then!

Hmmm . . . or very smooth . . . . and in fairness if she's mean enough to ask the question . . .



And i hope you noticed the wink. If he actually did that if would be a one way ticket to a slap/punch and we have already read/seen how effective Hermione can be at that . . .



Again, coming back to topic: we're thinking them being good, but Harry catching them at an inoppurtune moment (i hope thats the right word)?

Lol, if that happens there is only one answer. Lav-=Lav..... ;-)

That would be the end of the relationship right there. :lol:
That would be so awkward if she asked that, but I doubt will see since I don't see her asking that anytime Harry is around. Awkward times 10!!!!! :lol:

Yes, probably. And we are still on topic; we are talking about Ron and Hermione. We joke a lot on this thread.


I think those canaries would get some more exercise.

That would be the end of the relationship right there. :lol:
That would be so awkward if she asked that, but I doubt will see since I don't see her asking that anytime Harry is around. Awkward times 10!!!!! :lol:

That would seem to be the whole problem with the ron/hermione relationship: we will only catch snapshots of it . . . (glances at the wedding, brief kisses and handholding, maybe harry walking in). Im sure fans will fill the rest in with their imaginations though. . .

ACK.
I don't know WHAT if wrong with me.
But all of the sudden, I hate the thought of Ron/Hermione kissing.
I mean, I was totally open to everything until you people came in
*kidding...*
haha.
but no really, I think Hermione would die of embarassment if Harry walked in on them...snogging.

No one in history has died of embarrassment.

She would get over it.

maybe she wont notice. ;)

I’m not talking about a Ron/Lavendaresque snog, I’m just saying that the passion is there. And I don’t think they will sit around making out in front of him, but perhaps if they were to get caught up in a moment, or if he were to walk in on them.

I agree. In general, I wouldn't say either of them would be prone to public displays - Ron got tired of that very quickly with Lavender and Hermione is a more private person overall. However, both of them have a tendency to get caught up in the moment and forget their surroundings - and that they have an audience - as we see in the greenhouse scene in HBP.

With all the effort that Jo has put into building this relationship up, I really don't see her having their "big moment" occur off page. It would be extremely anticlimatic after everything that's happened for them to just suddenly tell Harry, "Oh, we got together yesterday. So, got any ideas where to start looking for Horcruxes?" :no:

With everything that's happened between them, I think Jo will include one big romantic moment between them. I'd say it will be similar to Harry and Ginny in HBP - not exactly the same, but similar. I can see them getting caught up in the moment and forgetting they have an audience. After that, there won't be much on page - just a mention here and there of them holding hands or a good night kiss, etc...

It's not going to be "The Young and the Magical", but there's no reason to completely exclude that part of their lives. It really wouldn't be realistic or believable for them to completely shut off their emotions. War tends to bring that out even more - as Mrs. Weasley said in HBP. When you know you could be killed at any time, you don't want to waste any time.