Ron and Hermione - Where to from here? v5

Exactly, Meesha

No one in history has died of embarrassment.

She would get over it.

Well . . . fair point. It wouldnt be as bad as Mr. and Mrs. Weasley walking in on them as well . . .
maybe she wont notice. ;)

LOL

I agree. In general, I wouldn't say either of them would be prone to public displays - Ron got tired of that very quickly with Lavender and Hermione is a more private person overall. However, both of them have a tendency to get caught up in the moment and forget their surroundings - and that they have an audience - as we see in the greenhouse scene in HBP.

With all the effort that Jo has put into building this relationship up, I really don't see her having their "big moment" occur off page. It would be extremely anticlimatic after everything that's happened for them to just suddenly tell Harry, "Oh, we got together yesterday. So, got any ideas where to start looking for Horcruxes?" :no:

With everything that's happened between them, I think Jo will include one big romantic moment between them. I'd say it will be similar to Harry and Ginny in HBP - not exactly the same, but similar. I can see them getting caught up in the moment and forgetting they have an audience. After that, there won't be much on page - just a mention here and there of them holding hands or a good night kiss, etc...

It's not going to be "The Young and the Magical", but there's no reason to completely exclude that part of their lives. It really wouldn't be realistic or believable for them to completely shut off their emotions. War tends to bring that out even more - as Mrs. Weasley said in HBP. When you know you could be killed at any time, you don't want to waste any time.


Maybe at the wedding? It woudl seem an appropriate time as this looks like being one of the few happy times in DH, so it wouldnt be as out of place, as say for example, Godric Hollow (i know the exameple is ridiculous)

And im hoping your not suggesting that Hermione will get pregnant? Ooh . . .that would be good . . .the book ends with Hermione having a baby . . .would never happen because she'd be useless for fighting and it would glamourise teenage pregnancy but still . . .

And im hoping your not suggesting that Hermione will get pregnant? Ooh . . .that would be good . . .the book ends with Hermione having a baby . . .would never happen because she'd be useless for fighting and it would glamourise teenage pregnancy but still . . .

I can only just say Wow to this. Yeah, I highly doubt this happening too, not Jo like. I'd be a little concerned if she did add that in.:eeep: But, Meesha wasn't suggesting that.

I don’t think anyone suggested that Hermione would get pregnant. I’m not even sure where you got that.

Hmmm . . . the last paragraph could have been suggesting that . . . but i believe the way it is brushed over in the books when Mrs weasley talks about it is that lots of people get married.

In fairness, the same happens in the real world: around world war 2 lots of people got together, and then when all the men came back from war there was a baby boom.


Anyway . . . back to topic . . . ron and hermione . .

Well . . . fair point. It wouldnt be as bad as Mr. and Mrs. Weasley walking in on them as well . . .

Now, that would be embarrassing. :lol:

But they've gotten caught up in the moment in front of Harry before - like the greenhouse scene in HBP. And neither of them appeared to notice when Harry walked in on their argument after the ball. I'm sure it would be a bit embarrassing, but they've been friends for so long, I doubt it would be a major issue.

Maybe at the wedding? It woudl seem an appropriate time as this looks like being one of the few happy times in DH, so it wouldnt be as out of place, as say for example, Godric Hollow (i know the exameple is ridiculous)

Most of us are in agreement that it will happen at some point in the beginning - the train ride home, at the Dursleys, or the wedding. The wedding would be ideal in terms of a big romantic moment in front of everyone - that way Harry doesn't have to walk in on them or come out looking like a voyeur. However, they are so close to getting together at the end of HBP, it will be difficult for Jo to drag that out. Possibly a series of interruptions - a moment on the train - some interrupted moments at the Dursleys - leading to a lot of frustration that comes to a head at the wedding where they both get caught up in the moment.

And im hoping your not suggesting that Hermione will get pregnant? Ooh . . .that would be good . . .the book ends with Hermione having a baby . . .would never happen because she'd be useless for fighting and it would glamourise teenage pregnancy but still . . .

:rotfl:

No, that's not what I was suggesting. And I didn't get that from what Mrs. Weasley said. I think she was just talking about people rushing into relationships in general because of the war. And that's realistic. There were a lot of people who rushed into marriage during WWII - it was not uncommon for a couple to get married the day before the guy shipped out. Times like that tend to drive home the point that life is precious and time is too short to waste.

In that regard, Ron and Hermione had a wake up call so to speak. Ron almost died when he was poisoned. Dumbledore was murdered. They've realized that they could die at any time. In light of that, the issues that have kept them apart seem small and insignificant. They both know they could get killed at any point during all of this. They aren't going to want to waste any more time than they already have.

maybe she wont notice.

hahaha I love it!

With everything that's happened between them, I think Jo will include one big romantic moment between them. I'd say it will be similar to Harry and Ginny in HBP - not exactly the same, but similar. I can see them getting caught up in the moment and forgetting they have an audience. After that, there won't be much on page - just a mention here and there of them holding hands or a good night kiss, etc...

Exactly. :agree:
I agree there has to be one huge romantic moment. After all, Ron and Hermione are really the center couple in a series about the strength of love. For us not to see the big moment would be hugely anticlimatic and would downplay the importance of love.

Now, that would be embarrassing. :lol:

But they've gotten caught up in the moment in front of Harry before - like the greenhouse scene in HBP. And neither of them appeared to notice when Harry walked in on their argument after the ball. I'm sure it would be a bit embarrassing, but they've been friends for so long, I doubt it would be a major issue.



Most of us are in agreement that it will happen at some point in the beginning - the train ride home, at the Dursleys, or the wedding. The wedding would be ideal in terms of a big romantic moment in front of everyone - that way Harry doesn't have to walk in on them or come out looking like a voyeur. However, they are so close to getting together at the end of HBP, it will be difficult for Jo to drag that out. Possibly a series of interruptions - a moment on the train - some interrupted moments at the Dursleys - leading to a lot of frustration that comes to a head at the wedding where they both get caught up in the moment.



:rotfl:

No, that's not what I was suggesting. And I didn't get that from what Mrs. Weasley said. I think she was just talking about people rushing into relationships in general because of the war. And that's realistic. There were a lot of people who rushed into marriage during WWII - it was not uncommon for a couple to get married the day before the guy shipped out. Times like that tend to drive home the point that life is precious and time is too short to waste.

In that regard, Ron and Hermione had a wake up call so to speak. Ron almost died when he was poisoned. Dumbledore was murdered. They've realized that they could die at any time. In light of that, the issues that have kept them apart seem small and insignificant. They both know they could get killed at any point during all of this. They aren't going to want to waste any more time than they already have.


I guess it kinda depends where the book starts and how JKR wants to do it:

I think (and this i really should know but its now 3:20 in the morning and im tired) all the bookds have started either at the dursley's, or if not Harry's first chapter has been at the dursley's; i therefore see no reason for this to change, and so im fully expecting the "romantic moment" to either be before/during/after wedding when they are all living in close confinements/when everyone is in a happy(ish) mood.

All im not sure about is whether we will see the actual "will u go out with me" bit, as we havent really seen that; all we get is a kiss then a pause then a recap. Maybe ron will talk to harry about man to man rather than us witnessing it?

I think (and this i really should know but its now 3:20 in the morning and im tired) all the bookds have started either at the dursley's, or if not Harry's first chapter has been at the dursley's; i therefore see no reason for this to change, and so im fully expecting the "romantic moment" to either be before/during/after wedding when they are all living in close confinements/when everyone is in a happy(ish) mood.

All im not sure about is whether we will see the actual "will u go out with me" bit, as we havent really seen that; all we get is a kiss then a pause then a recap. Maybe ron will talk to harry about man to man rather than us witnessing it?

No, you're right, we always see Harry first at the Dursleys. And I agree, DH will probably begin at the Dursleys. I've always expected the BIG MOMENT to be at the wedding.

I think we will probably see them "get caught up in the moment" as meesha suggested but we won't see Ron actually ask Hermione to go out with him. Their relationship is so evolved it will probably just happen.

And I think Ron will talk about it to Harry, but I don't think that will be where we find out they are together. That would be anticlimatic.

No, you're right, we always see Harry first at the Dursleys. And I agree, DH will probably begin at the Dursleys. I've always expected the BIG MOMENT to be at the wedding.

I think we will probably see them "get caught up in the moment" as meesha suggested but we won't see Ron actually ask Hermione to go out with him. Their relationship is so evolved it will probably just happen.

And I think Ron will talk about it to Harry, but I don't think that will be where we find out they are together. That would be anticlimatic.



Am i just being really unromantic in believing that there doesnt need to be any big climax??? I know its built up and up . . . and now it just is....With so many things its more about the journey and how you get there rather than the destination . . .

And i can imagine the man to man being a bit weird . . . Ron talking about Harry's best friend(one of) then Harry good tell him about how much he loves his sister . . .

Am i just being really unromantic in believing that there doesnt need to be any big climax??? I know its built up and up . . . and now it just is....With so many things its more about the journey and how you get there rather than the destination . . .

And i can imagine the man to man being a bit weird . . . Ron talking about Harry's best friend(one of) then Harry good tell him about how much he loves his sister . ..

Well, there are no set rules that say there must be a huge climax, it's just that Ron and Hermione are really the center couple in the story. Their relationship has been hinted at since day 1 and for all that build-up, it would be a little weird if we didn't see a climax since the whole series is about the strength of love. Maybe it won't be huge, but I agree with meesha that it will probably be similar to Harry and Ginny's moment.



And I agree, it would be awkward for Ron and Harry to talk about it. I can kind of see Ron talking to Harry after...whatever happens...and asking if he is ok with it. Since Harry is their best friend, they would not want him to feel excluded and such you know? (how thoughtful...wish some of my friends thought that way :p). But I don't think Ron can just go up to Harry and be like,"yeah so Hermione and I are dating now. We decided yesterday that it was pointless to not be together so we're going to be a couple. So, when are we going to Godric Hollows?" It just doesn't seem to have the same resonance as a climax would have (and i know, I doubt JKR would write the scene like that) when the whole story is about love.

I know that the series is about more than Ron and Hermione's relationship, but since they are the central couple, there needs to be something, unromantic or not. :p

I guess it kinda depends where the book starts and how JKR wants to do it:

I think (and this i really should know but its now 3:20 in the morning and im tired) all the bookds have started either at the dursley's, or if not Harry's first chapter has been at the dursley's; i therefore see no reason for this to change, and so im fully expecting the "romantic moment" to either be before/during/after wedding when they are all living in close confinements/when everyone is in a happy(ish) mood.

Well, in general, the first six books did start at the Dursleys. Although, there is a bit of deviation with GOF and HBP starting with chapters from other character's points of view. But the first five books also had a definitive ending with them taking the train home. HBP deviates from that with a bit of a cliffhanger and they are still at Hogwarts.

In addition to that, we have a quote from Jo regarding how DH will begin.

But future insecurities can wait. Rowling still has book seven to worry about. She has already started writing. "It will be a very different kind of book," she says, "because I kind of cue up the shot at the end of six, and you're left with a very clear idea of what Harry's going to do next."

From that, it would appear that DH will pick up right where HBP left off with them still at Hogwarts. It was this quote that led to the speculation that something might occur on the train ride home. They could get together at that point - have a big moment where they forget themselves and then Harry - and anyone else in the compartment with them - leave them alone after that. Or that could be the beginning with a series of interruptions leading up to the wedding.

All im not sure about is whether we will see the actual "will u go out with me" bit, as we havent really seen that; all we get is a kiss then a pause then a recap. Maybe ron will talk to harry about man to man rather than us witnessing it?

Actually, I think it will probably be along the same lines as Harry and Ginny. We saw the kiss and then they left to go for a walk so they could be alone. I'd say Ron and Hermione's moment will fall along similar lines to that - not exactly the same, but similar.

Am i just being really unromantic in believing that there doesnt need to be any big climax??? I know its built up and up . . . and now it just is....With so many things its more about the journey and how you get there rather than the destination . . .

And i can imagine the man to man being a bit weird . . . Ron talking about Harry's best friend(one of) then Harry good tell him about how much he loves his sister . . .
No, I feel something like that too. Unless Harry is going to walk in on them, I do't feel the need for the BIG MOMENT that so many people is waiting for. I know, it does sound unromantic after the buildup, but we have had the big moment once, when Harry and Ginny made out in front of the entire Gryffindor common room (and I cannot even imagine the reaction of Mrs Weasley if she was to catch Harry and Ginny or Ron and Hermione in a cupboard closet or some such :lol: ).

Anyway, I don't think there will be too much of Ron/Hermione couple moments in DH, mostly the silent understanding "we're together, we'll stay together to the end, whatever it might be, and we'll help Harry." HBP was the big romance book, where almost everyone hooked up. That is, if they're together now, or merely going faster in that direction. The readers know for sure that it is Ron and Hermione, as JKR once quoted, but that does not mean that Ron and Hermione does. At least not yet. The wedding, a situation where people dress themselves over the extraordinary, might change that.

Well, in general, the first six books did start at the Dursleys. Although, there is a bit of deviation with GOF and HBP starting with chapters from other character's points of view. But the first five books also had a definitive ending with them taking the train home. HBP deviates from that with a bit of a cliffhanger and they are still at Hogwarts.

Ok, i checked and all 6 books start with Harry at the Dursley's: GoF and HBP have a chapter or two before; but otherwise we have always seen Harry begin at the Dursley's.

In addition to that, we have a quote from Jo regarding how DH will begin.

But future insecurities can wait. Rowling still has book seven to worry about. She has already started writing. "It will be a very different kind of book," she says, "because I kind of cue up the shot at the end of six, and you're left with a very clear idea of what Harry's going to do next."

From that, it would appear that DH will pick up right where HBP left off with them still at Hogwarts. It was this quote that led to the speculation that something might occur on the train ride home. They could get together at that point - have a big moment where they forget themselves and then Harry - and anyone else in the compartment with them - leave them alone after that. Or that could be the beginning with a series of interruptions leading up to the wedding.



Actually, i think that doesnt necessarily mean anything about the way the book will start (it could, and in terms of completeness it would be great), but it could just mean that we know that:

1) Harry has to go to the Dursley's
2) HArry will go to the wedding
3) Harry will go to GH
4) Harry will go Horcrux hunting
5) Harry will (hopefully) defest LV

I think what im trying to say is, we have a definite idea of the way the book is going to go and what Harry has to achieve (obviously this debate if for another thread).

Working under that assumption, i guess the wedding scene becomes the most likely place for "romance".


Actually, I think it will probably be along the same lines as Harry and Ginny. We saw the kiss and then they left to go for a walk so they could be alone. I'd say Ron and Hermione's moment will fall along similar lines to that - not exactly the same, but similar.

Quite probably: most of the romantic moments in the book shappen similarly; and even though there is a conviction that this is THE romance, i can't see it being that radiacally different in the way JKR writes it (only she knows . . . )

No, I feel something like that too. Unless Harry is going to walk in on them, I do't feel the need for the BIG MOMENT that so many people is waiting for. I know, it does sound unromantic after the buildup, but we have had the big moment once, when Harry and Ginny made out in front of the entire Gryffindor common room (and I cannot even imagine the reaction of Mrs Weasley if she was to catch Harry and Ginny or Ron and Hermione in a cupboard closet or some such :lol: ).

Anyway, I don't think there will be too much of Ron/Hermione couple moments in DH, mostly the silent understanding "we're together, we'll stay together to the end, whatever it might be, and we'll help Harry." HBP was the big romance book, where almost everyone hooked up. That is, if they're together now, or merely going faster in that direction. The readers know for sure that it is Ron and Hermione, as JKR once quoted, but that does not mean that Ron and Hermione does. At least not yet. The wedding, a situation where people dress themselves over the extraordinary, might change that.

You make a fair point about Ron and Hermione not knowing they are together; and everyone has been working under the assumption they will get together early in the book. BUT: we KNOW Viktor Krum is coming back (someone can correct me if im wrong on that, but im sure it was canon) aand so it could depend on the timing of this. what happens if he comes for the wedding, and Ron and Hermione are not together, he declares his undying love for Hermione and Ron gets jealous; even if Hermione has no interest in him?

Any thoughts on the Krum factor (obviously R/Hr could be together and hten Krum shows up tp cause problems)....or if ive just made this up then let me know....

You make a fair point about Ron and Hermione not knowing they are together; and everyone has been working under the assumption they will get together early in the book. BUT: we KNOW Viktor Krum is coming back (someone can correct me if im wrong on that, but im sure it was canon) aand so it could depend on the timing of this. what happens if he comes for the wedding, and Ron and Hermione are not together, he declares his undying love for Hermione and Ron gets jealous; even if Hermione has no interest in him?

Any thoughts on the Krum factor (obviously R/Hr could be together and hten Krum shows up tp cause problems)....or if ive just made this up then let me know....

I don't know about Krum coming back. I haven't heard that, but I'm not infalliable. I could see how that would cause problems for Ron, but I think a situation where Krum declares his love for Hermione and Ron gets jealous would be too much like "The Young and the Magical" as meesha said (i love that).

I'm glad you added that last bit because they really are a couple of passionate types and I could see them translating that into their personal relationship ... after Voldemort is defeated. :eyebrows::D Offpage, Deevo. Offpage is everything possible.


Sudden awkward question came to my head. When if, after they kiss...Hermione creates the most awkward moment by asking one question. "Now, Ron...Who is the better kisser? Lav-Lav or me?"

RUN RON, RUN!!!!!!:lol:
really.

~dont ask...it just poped in my head. :nc:~

Lol, maybe in a fanfiction, but I don’t think Hermione would really do that.No, but maybe Ron would ask. 'How was it? Better than with him?' :lol: Ah, no seriously, I don´t see them asking but I can imagine them being a bit unsure (about the possible comparison). Since I am on the Hermione and Krum did not snog wagon, I could imagine Hermione would be a bit insecure at first, because she has less experience than Ron. Much less. She had to witness firsthand that Ron had gained quite some experience. And Ron, though much more confident by the end of HBP might fear the comparison with Krum. That would not really become a problem though, and we would probably don´t get it onpage, unless JKR uses it for some comic relief.


Anyway, I stand by what I always say: Ron and Hermione will get together early in the book and we will definitely get our grand romantic moment, the first kiss. But there will be no constant snogging or cuddling or anything. Ron and Hermione would want to behave around Harry as normal as possible.

Anyway, I stand by what I always say: Ron and Hermione will get together early in the book and we will definitely get our grand romantic moment, the first kiss. But there will be no constant snogging or cuddling or anything. Ron and Hermione would want to behave around Harry as normal as possible.


I agree

Ok, i checked and all 6 books start with Harry at the Dursley's: GoF and HBP have a chapter or two before; but otherwise we have always seen Harry begin at the Dursley's.

Yes, Harry has always been at the Dursleys. I was just referring to the possibility of having a chapter or two from another point of view again.

A deviation is not out of the question because HBP deviated in the ending. The first five books always ended with the train ride home - usually once they had arrived back at Kings Cross. HBP deviated from that in ending before they had even gotten on the train.

Actually, i think that doesnt necessarily mean anything about the way the book will start (it could, and in terms of completeness it would be great), but it could just mean that we know that:

1) Harry has to go to the Dursley's
2) HArry will go to the wedding
3) Harry will go to GH
4) Harry will go Horcrux hunting
5) Harry will (hopefully) defest LV

I think what im trying to say is, we have a definite idea of the way the book is going to go and what Harry has to achieve (obviously this debate if for another thread).

The reason I think it will pick up where HBP left off is the fact that she says she cues up the final scene of HBP at the beginning of DH. The implication is that DH will start with Dumbledore's funeral - or just after - with no time lapse at all. There is the possibility that she will open with someone else's point of view like she did in GOF and HBP, but we'll pick up with Harry and Co. still at Hogwarts.

I think the majority feels that something is going to happen there that Jo couldn't reveal in HBP because it would give too much away - either just before they leave or on the train itself. I tend to lean more towards something happening on the train myself, but if Harry is going to receive something posthumously from Dumbledore, it would make sense for that to happen while he is still at Hogwarts.

Working under that assumption, i guess the wedding scene becomes the most likely place for "romance".

Prior to seeing the quote from Time magazine, that's what I thought as well. I even wrote a fanfic along those lines. :D But the wedding isn't likely to occur before late July or August. HBP ended around the end of May so that's about two months where nothing would happen. Ron and Hermione were so close at the end of HBP, there would have to be something presented as to why they waited - what could possibly be holding them back now? I'm not saying all of that would be shown on page, but some kind of mention. At this point, the most likely option I see is a series of interruptions - which could be revealed very easily with a frustrated Ron talking to Harry.

And even with a time lapse, Jo generally tells us what has been going on during that time. For example, in OOTP, we were told that Harry had spent those four weeks with the Dursleys finding various ways to watch/listen to the news, reading the front page of the Daily Prophet and tossing it aside in disgust every day, getting uninformative letters from Ron and Hermione, etc.... So even, if there were a time lapse, there would be some description of what had occurred during that time.

Quite probably: most of the romantic moments in the book shappen similarly; and even though there is a conviction that this is THE romance, i can't see it being that radiacally different in the way JKR writes it (only she knows . . . )

And most of us would agree with that. I think there is a general misconception regarding what we're expecting because we speculate on various ways it could happen - and occasionally digress to wishful thinking on what we'd like to happen. ;) But, overall, most of us think there will be one defining moment shown on page that will leave no doubt that they are a couple and that will pretty much be it. Their will be a difference in their relationship and how they interact in terms of the fact that they will no longer be hiding their feelings from each other, etc.... But nothing that would overshadow the main plot of the story.

You make a fair point about Ron and Hermione not knowing they are together; and everyone has been working under the assumption they will get together early in the book. BUT: we KNOW Viktor Krum is coming back (someone can correct me if im wrong on that, but im sure it was canon) aand so it could depend on the timing of this. what happens if he comes for the wedding, and Ron and Hermione are not together, he declares his undying love for Hermione and Ron gets jealous; even if Hermione has no interest in him?

Any thoughts on the Krum factor (obviously R/Hr could be together and hten Krum shows up tp cause problems)....or if ive just made this up then let me know....

Ahh, Krum. Yes, we've discussed Krum quite a bit and opinions vary. Personally, I don't think Krum will be a major issue. Not in the sense that he's going to show up declaring his undying love. However, I can see a misunderstanding occurring with Ron being afraid that Krum would do that and not being sure what Hermione would do.

Basically, I think Krum could potentially be a catalyst leading to that issue being resolved once and for all. Hermione still doesn't know that Ron got upset with her in HBP because of Ginny's assumption. So Krum showing up could serve as a catalyst to Hermione finding out about that and revealing her side of the story. That opens the door for them to finally resolve all of that with Ron learning that Hermione was never interested in Krum and Hermione learning that Ron didn't reject her or choose Lavender over her - he gave up because he didn't think he could compete with Krum. I doubt all of that will be shown on page - most likely just the beginning of it with Harry being told about it later - or thinking about what he was told later.

Something definitely needs to be resolved on th Krum issue, but I'm not entirely sure we will get to see it.

And happy birthday to Deevo

:birthday: Happy Birthday Deevo!

No, but maybe Ron would ask. 'How was it? Better than with him?' Ah, no seriously, I don´t see them asking but I can imagine them being a bit unsure (about the possible comparison). Since I am on the Hermione and Krum did not snog wagon, I could imagine Hermione would be a bit insecure at first, because she has less experience than Ron. Much less. She had to witness firsthand that Ron had gained quite some experience. And Ron, though much more confident by the end of HBP might fear the comparison with Krum. That would not really become a problem though, and we would probably don´t get it onpage, unless JKR uses it for some comic relief.

Dont worry, I am on the Dont belive they snogged wagon myself. :tu: I can see Ron asking too actually, But Hermy asking popped in my head first (:lol:) I wrote something sort of similar to Ron insecureness, but it was while they were dancing, not snogging.(:shrug:)

Anyway, I stand by what I always say: Ron and Hermione will get together early in the book and we will definitely get our grand romantic moment, the first kiss. But there will be no constant snogging or cuddling or anything. Ron and Hermione would want to behave around Harry as normal as possible.

Ugh...that'd be Lav-Lav and Ron all over again.lol.. I agree, I picture their relationship to be particulary different from Ron and Lavender's, basically because I know R/HR's will last. Ron I dont think will be able to contain himself from talking about it to Harry.

A deviation is not out of the question because HBP deviated in the ending. The first five books always ended with the train ride home - usually once they had arrived back at Kings Cross. HBP deviated from that in ending before they had even gotten on the train.
I am very interested to see how Jo wrote the train scene...I really can't wait to read it, alone DH. It is going to be such an interesting opening.:relax:

~:angel: Always wanted to put this smilie up.~

The point is that Lavendar's relationship with Ron had no depth, and was held together by snogs alone, and that is a wobbly foundation. Ron and Hermione have an uncommonly stable foundation.

:agree: Thier relationship was such a standard teen relaionship...no offense fellow teens, but it is the only real way to put it. Ron and Hermione's at least will hold together, becuase its been very clear they are meant to be, and that they want/need each other.

:D Offpage, Deevo. Offpage is everything possible.



No, but maybe Ron would ask. 'How was it? Better than with him?' :lol: Ah, no seriously, I don´t see them asking but I can imagine them being a bit unsure (about the possible comparison). Since I am on the Hermione and Krum did not snog wagon, I could imagine Hermione would be a bit insecure at first, because she has less experience than Ron. Much less. She had to witness firsthand that Ron had gained quite some experience. And Ron, though much more confident by the end of HBP might fear the comparison with Krum. That would not really become a problem though, and we would probably don´t get it onpage, unless JKR uses it for some comic relief.


Anyway, I stand by what I always say: Ron and Hermione will get together early in the book and we will definitely get our grand romantic moment, the first kiss. But there will be no constant snogging or cuddling or anything. Ron and Hermione would want to behave around Harry as normal as possible.

Hmmm...without wanting to get into the Krum/Hermione snogged not snogged . . . but:

'Harry's snogged Cho Chang!' shouted Ginny, who sounded close to tears now. 'And Hermione snogged Viktor Krum, it's only you who acts like its something disgusting...'

furthermore, in interview, JKR said that she didnt like having the characters first kiss with their true love (words to that effect) becuase they had to go on a journey and develop the emotions.

You can say Ginny is wrong: all i would point out is that Ginny and Hermione are clearly female confidents; we know this because hermione was the one giving ginny relationship advice on harry, so i think she is the one person (except krum/hermione) who would know if they snogged or not.

the only annoying thing is i can't find where i found out krum was coming back so im worried i may have made that up . . . though it would be interesting to see the dynamics of it; it would show how trusting ron was of hermione for one thing . . .

:agree: Thier relationship was such a standard teen relaionship...no offense fellow teens, but it is the only real way to put it. Ron and Hermione's at least will hold together, becuase its been very clear they are meant to be, and that they want/need each other.

Hmm . . . i kinda get what your saying but that is a pretty big generalisation. And they are still teens . . .

But i agree they are going to be together and live happily ever after (unless one of them dies)

Well, Jedi, there has been MUCH speculation on that kiss, but you weren't here for that.

Honestly, Ginny would not know. Hermione would not confide in Ginny about something so personal. Hermione sees Ginny more as a little sister than a girlfriend so to speak, and she is very private. Hermione is the type to give advice, but not necessarily to sit around chatting about her personal life. And we know that Ginny made an assumption in saying that Harry had snogged Cho, for she had no way of knowing that, and what's more, it did not even happen. He kissed Cho, but they did not technically snog.

Ginny seems to assume that when people date, they make out. It seems extremely likely that Ginny merely made an assumption on that subject.

As for Jo's interview, she said that the characters needed to have experience before ending up with their partners, but not necessarily physical experience.

Hmmm . . . .maybe . . . like i said im not that fussed about it; i see no reason why hermione and krum didnt snog except for the age gap.


However, on a better note i have found that krum will DEFINITELY return (which means im not going crazy.....which i guess is a good thing):

From JKR interview in 2004:

bertieana: Will we be seeing Krum again any time soon?
JK Rowling replies -> You will see Krum again, though not soon


And in turns out that it has been confirmed in all the spoilers as one of the confirmed things about DH so Krum is definitely coming back (we just dont know whether it will be to fight for his girl or not . . . :-) )


And seriously . . . i think it would be kind of fun to have a debate on when a kiss becomes a snog becomes making out . . . but i probably missed that as well.

Yes, we have known that he would be back for a while. And yes, you did miss that argument...

Actually, I think she did not kiss him because she really did not think they were anything but friends. I mean, it must have crossed her mind, but modesty prevented her from believing that he wanted her romantically. And there is also the issue that she was interested in Ron at the time, and probably didn't want to kiss anyone but him. Ron felt the same way in HBP, but he did it anyway, because he believed that Hermione had lied to him and that he had no chance with her.

Hmmm . . . i dunno it just seems a bit rubbish going through your whole life kissing only one person. But when you look at most of these things i guess they can be explained by guys being guys . . .


And my insistence on the Krum thing was because i mentioned it a couple of pages back and people were trying to tell me we didnt know that so i was just proving i wasnt making it up. Especially as it could make the whole Ron/hr relationship so much more interesting (to those of us who arent that fussed about them just living happily ever after through the book and that being an acceptable storyline)

I can't imagine who would have argued...

Anyways, what's rubbish about it? It does not matter how many people you have kissed.

I don't know about Krum coming back. I haven't heard that, but I'm not infalliable. I could see how that would cause problems for Ron, but I think a situation where Krum declares his love for Hermione and Ron gets jealous would be too much like "The Young and the Magical" as meesha said (i love that).

This was the quote from earlier in the thread. And no one after it contradicted or supported Krum's return until you and i did a few posts ago.


And whats rubbish about it.....its like i said its probably a guy thing. Its very sweet and romantic going through your whole life only kissing one person, but is it ever likely to happen (ok, this is a book i guess ....)

I suppose some people see it as romantic, but it's not even that. It's just that there is nothing wrong with never kissing multiple people, and Hermione does not need that kind of experience in order to have a lasting relationship with Ron.

I suppose some people see it as romantic, but it's not even that. It's just that there is nothing wrong with never kissing multiple people, and Hermione does not need that kind of experience in order to have a lasting relationship with Ron.


Hmm. . . i didnt mean to suggest its wrong not to have kissed only one person.


On a slightly different note . . . if Ron and Hermione survive, in the epilogue will we find out about them getting married? And i would assume being Weasley's (i accept there is a few if's first but) that they will have 7 children?

I suppose so, it depends how far the epilogue takes us. As for the seven children, I think it is likely that they will have many, but not necessarily seven.

I don't know about Krum coming back. I haven't heard that, but I'm not infalliable. I could see how that would cause problems for Ron, but I think a situation where Krum declares his love for Hermione and Ron gets jealous would be too much like "The Young and the Magical" as meesha said (i love that).

Yeah, we had fun making up amusing "soap opera" names for it. Hogwart's Creek was another one - sometimes referred to as Snogwarts Creek.

Jo did say that we would see Krum again. That was sometime prior to HBP and was included on the list of what to expect in the last two books - I think that was on Mugglenet. Since Krum didn't show up in HBP, he will likely turn up in DH.

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Definitely. :agree: The "missing moments" created in fanfiction are so much fun. I think they will be better after the series is concluded though - at least we will know what didn't happen in those moments. ;)

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No, but maybe Ron would ask. 'How was it? Better than with him?' :lol: Ah, no seriously, I don´t see them asking but I can imagine them being a bit unsure (about the possible comparison). Since I am on the Hermione and Krum did not snog wagon, I could imagine Hermione would be a bit insecure at first, because she has less experience than Ron. Much less. She had to witness firsthand that Ron had gained quite some experience. And Ron, though much more confident by the end of HBP might fear the comparison with Krum. That would not really become a problem though, and we would probably don´t get it onpage, unless JKR uses it for some comic relief.

I agree. However, I could see Ginny saying something about it because it was clear in HBP that she did believe it, thought Ron and Harry knew, and had no idea that Ron and Hermione like each other. So I could see her saying something - perhaps suggesting that Hermione invite Krum to the wedding as her date. Good opening for the issue to be brought out into the open and the truth to be revealed. Although, I doubt too much of that would be seen on page.

I do hope some is shown on page though. I'd love to see Ginny's reaction to Ron and Hermione getting together - she's going to be gobsmacked. And - if Ginny's assumption is revealed - Hermione's reaction to that will be good - she's going to be so mad at Ginny if she finds out.

Anyway, I stand by what I always say: Ron and Hermione will get together early in the book and we will definitely get our grand romantic moment, the first kiss. But there will be no constant snogging or cuddling or anything. Ron and Hermione would want to behave around Harry as normal as possible.

Well, I think they might cuddle some - I can see Hermione leaning against Ron while she reads and his arm around her - that kind of thing. I don't think they'll monitor their behavior around Harry too much. I mean, obviously, they aren't going to be thrashing around like a couple of eels - Ginny is so eloquent :lol: - but I'd say they'll hug, hold hands, give each other a kiss goodnight, etc... Those little things that couples do. Nothing obviously overt, but there really isn't any reason for them to censor themselves completely in front of Harry. I think he'll be happy for them.

Hmmm . . . .maybe . . . like i said im not that fussed about it; i see no reason why hermione and krum didnt snog except for the age gap.


However, on a better note i have found that krum will DEFINITELY return (which means im not going crazy.....which i guess is a good thing):

From JKR interview in 2004:

bertieana: Will we be seeing Krum again any time soon?
JK Rowling replies -> You will see Krum again, though not soon


And in turns out that it has been confirmed in all the spoilers as one of the confirmed things about DH so Krum is definitely coming back (we just dont know whether it will be to fight for his girl or not . . . :-) )


And seriously . . . i think it would be kind of fun to have a debate on when a kiss becomes a snog becomes making out . . . but i probably missed that as well.Well, there is a thread discussing that issue and, believe it or not, it´s in the fourth version already. :lol: I have participated in it, but not really seen anything to change my mind, therefore left it for the time being.

Did Hermione kiss Viktor Krum? v 4 (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=100893)


I agree. However, I could see Ginny saying something about it because it was clear in HBP that she did believe it, thought Ron and Harry knew, and had no idea that Ron and Hermione like each other. So I could see her saying something - perhaps suggesting that Hermione invite Krum to the wedding as her date. Good opening for the issue to be brought out into the open and the truth to be revealed. Although, I doubt too much of that would be seen on page.

I do hope some is shown on page though. I'd love to see Ginny's reaction to Ron and Hermione getting together - she's going to be gobsmacked. And - if Ginny's assumption is revealed - Hermione's reaction to that will be good - she's going to be so mad at Ginny if she finds out.I agree. That was not what I meant anyway. I meant Ron and Hermione being insecure about their kissing abilities getting compared to Lavender or Krum would not become a major problem, if ever. As for Ron and Hermione: I want to see as much as possible about the resolution of their issues (Krum, Lav-Lav) the first kiss, maybe Ron and/or Hermione having a kind of awkward talk about the new relationship, the reaction of most friends and family, especially Molly, Ginny and the twins.
Well, I think they might cuddle some - I can see Hermione leaning against Ron while she reads and his arm around her - that kind of thing. I don't think they'll monitor their behavior around Harry too much. I mean, obviously, they aren't going to be thrashing around like a couple of eels - Ginny is so eloquent :lol: - but I'd say they'll hug, hold hands, give each other a kiss goodnight, etc... Those little things that couples do. Nothing obviously overt, but there really isn't any reason for them to censor themselves completely in front of Harry. I think he'll be happy for them. I am a sap, I would love some cuddling and I could do with a good snog once or twice as well :love: , but I think we won´t see too much of that (but maybe a little? Jo pleeeeease). JKR would most probably handle the Ron/Hermione relationship like Harry/Ginny. Except that she might, as ususl, use them for some comic relief from time to time as well.


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Hmmm...without wanting to get into the Krum/Hermione snogged not snogged . . . but:

'Harry's snogged Cho Chang!' shouted Ginny, who sounded close to tears now. 'And Hermione snogged Viktor Krum, it's only you who acts like its something disgusting...'

It's being debated on another thread - as ronjalina pointed out. However, there's nothing in GOF to support Ginny's statement so it can only be considered at assumption at this point.

furthermore, in interview, JKR said that she didnt like having the characters first kiss with their true love (words to that effect) becuase they had to go on a journey and develop the emotions.

Actually, she just said that she wanted Harry and Ron to kiss other girls first. Hermione wasn't even mentioned in that regard.

You can say Ginny is wrong: all i would point out is that Ginny and Hermione are clearly female confidents; we know this because hermione was the one giving ginny relationship advice on harry, so i think she is the one person (except krum/hermione) who would know if they snogged or not.

There is also a thread debating this. I would have to disagree because, overall, Ginny is clueless regarding what is going on with Hermione. It was very clear that she thought Ron already "knew" about it and that eliminates any possibility of Hermione having told her anything. If Hermione had told her, then Ginny would have known that Ron didn't know. And Ginny has no clue that Ron and Hermione have feelings for each other. Nor did she give any consideration to how Hermione would feel about her revealing that - or show any remorse that she had. It's rather obvious that Hermione has not shared anything with Ginny.

the only annoying thing is i can't find where i found out krum was coming back so im worried i may have made that up . . . though it would be interesting to see the dynamics of it; it would show how trusting ron was of hermione for one thing . . .

Nah - it was on both Mugglenet and TLC. They had a big list of "things yet to come" for the 6th and 7th books pulled from comments Jo had made. Here's the actual quote though.

bertieana: Will we be seeing Krum again any time soon?
JK Rowling replies -> You will see Krum again, though not soon.

Hmm . . . i kinda get what your saying but that is a pretty big generalisation. And they are still teens . . .

But i agree they are going to be together and live happily ever after (unless one of them dies)

Actually, both Ron and Hermione came of age in HBP. So, legally, they're adults now. ;)

And seriously . . . i think it would be kind of fun to have a debate on when a kiss becomes a snog becomes making out . . . but i probably missed that as well.

Basically, snogging is the British term for making out - i.e. kissing passionately with tongue. Ginny and Dean were snogging - Ron and Lavender were snogging.

Hermione might have allowed Krum a quick peck the night of the ball to be polite, but that would have been the extent of it. She just wasn't interested in Krum romantically.

Hmmm . . . i dunno it just seems a bit rubbish going through your whole life kissing only one person. But when you look at most of these things i guess they can be explained by guys being guys . . .

[QUOTE=jedi_jon;4379893]Hmm. . . i didnt mean to suggest its wrong not to have kissed only one person.

It's not really about the kissing. That wouldn't have been a big deal if it had been shown on page that Hermione was interested in Krum romantically instead of her "He's really nice, but..." attitude.

The problem with it is that there is nothing that even indicates it in GOF - and Hermione told Ron they were just friends. So, basically, in order for Ginny's statement to be true, Hermione has to have deliberately lied and gone to great lengths to hide it.

On a slightly different note . . . if Ron and Hermione survive, in the epilogue will we find out about them getting married? And i would assume being Weasley's (i accept there is a few if's first but) that they will have 7 children?

Well, the epilogue is set the in the future - after they finish Hogwarts - so that is possible. It depends on how far into the future Jo takes it. I'm wondering if the epilogue might be set with Harry as an old man, dying. If Jo does that, she could outline pretty much their whole lives after Voldemort is defeated.

If it's just a couple of years or so, then we'd pretty much just find out who survived, what they were doing then, and who married who.

It's being debated on another thread - as ronjalina pointed out. However, there's nothing in GOF to support Ginny's statement so it can only be considered at assumption at this point.
True, though I personally think at this point it's a bit of a moot question, after all Ron has never actually asked her. Until he does it'll just be a sore point for him.

So the way I figure it whatever happened between Hermione and Viktor in Goblet of Fire is past and pretty irrelevant, it clearly wasn't a Mclaggen-ish grope fest as she still considers him a friend so the only thing that needs to be dealt with is Ron's problem with it.

There is also a thread debating this. I would have to disagree because, overall, Ginny is clueless regarding what is going on with Hermione. It was very clear that she thought Ron already "knew" about it and that eliminates any possibility of Hermione having told her anything. If Hermione had told her, then Ginny would have known that Ron didn't know. And Ginny has no clue that Ron and Hermione have feelings for each other. Nor did she give any consideration to how Hermione would feel about her revealing that - or show any remorse that she had. It's rather obvious that Hermione has not shared anything with Ginny.
:agree: I initially thought the girls might have been closer than that but when you read into it a bit further it seems the relationship between Hermione and Ginny is more akin to an elder sister / younger sister than anything closer and while Hermione is prepared to give advice to Ginny I don't think she really sees her as a peer or someone she can confide in. Mind you that may be changing now, it'll be interesting to see how the two interract in Deathly Hallows.

Basically, snogging is the British term for making out - i.e. kissing passionately with tongue. Ginny and Dean were snogging - Ron and Lavender were snogging.

Hermione might have allowed Krum a quick peck the night of the ball to be polite, but that would have been the extent of it. She just wasn't interested in Krum romantically.
I don't think whether she was or wasn't at the time is really that important to tell the truth. She went to the ball with Viktor because he did something that Ron didn't, he asked her. Obviously nothing went terribly wrong between Hermione and Viktor there because she still considers him a friend.

It's not really about the kissing. That wouldn't have been a big deal if it had been shown on page that Hermione was interested in Krum romantically instead of her "He's really nice, but..." attitude.

The problem with it is that there is nothing that even indicates it in GOF - and Hermione told Ron they were just friends. So, basically, in order for Ginny's statement to be true, Hermione has to have deliberately lied and gone to great lengths to hide it.
Again whether they kissed at the ball or not really isn't the big issue that it seems to be with Ron. I'm personally of the opinion that they may well have but that if they did it never lead to anything so in that respect isn't all that important. Ron has never outright asked Hermione "Did you kiss Krum?", a simple question that would solve a lot of their issues.

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I think the important thing is that Ron got over it. If it turns out that she didn't kiss Viktor, Ron will be happy, but if it turns out she did at least it will not be a problem for him anymore. He realized it didn't matter. So basically that issue will not make things worse.

It's being debated on another thread - as ronjalina pointed out. However, there's nothing in GOF to support Ginny's statement so it can only be considered at assumption at this point.

As i said . . . i don't want to get into that argument.



Actually, she just said that she wanted Harry and Ron to kiss other girls first. Hermione wasn't even mentioned in that regard.

Fair point . . . just as a matter of curiosity do you think hermione KISSED (not snogged) Cormic McLaggen (ive so spelt that wrong)....???



There is also a thread debating this. I would have to disagree because, overall, Ginny is clueless regarding what is going on with Hermione. It was very clear that she thought Ron already "knew" about it and that eliminates any possibility of Hermione having told her anything. If Hermione had told her, then Ginny would have known that Ron didn't know. And Ginny has no clue that Ron and Hermione have feelings for each other. Nor did she give any consideration to how Hermione would feel about her revealing that - or show any remorse that she had. It's rather obvious that Hermione has not shared anything with Ginny.

Hmm . . . i can understand why she wouldnt share things with Ginny, but i would also say i don't understand how Ginny thinking ron "knew" eliminates possibility of Hermione having told her (its a lot easier to talk about what you have done than what u want to do in the future). But ill end this one, because as i originally said and has been repeated this is in another thread.


Nah - it was on both Mugglenet and TLC. They had a big list of "things yet to come" for the 6th and 7th books pulled from comments Jo had made. Here's the actual quote though.

I did actually in a later post put the quote from JKR's interview and quote the person who was contradicting that krum was coming back (or suggesting that he wasnt . .. u know what i mean).




Actually, both Ron and Hermione came of age in HBP. So, legally, they're adults now. ;)



Basically, snogging is the British term for making out - i.e. kissing passionately with tongue. Ginny and Dean were snogging - Ron and Lavender were snogging.

Hermione might have allowed Krum a quick peck the night of the ball to be polite, but that would have been the extent of it. She just wasn't interested in Krum romantically.

I know what they mean: what i was alludin to was whether it made any difference. In some ways a kiss can be more passionate than a snog. But like i said i really dont want to get into that discussion.




It's not really about the kissing. That wouldn't have been a big deal if it had been shown on page that Hermione was interested in Krum romantically instead of her "He's really nice, but..." attitude.

The problem with it is that there is nothing that even indicates it in GOF - and Hermione told Ron they were just friends. So, basically, in order for Ginny's statement to be true, Hermione has to have deliberately lied and gone to great lengths to hide it.

She may or may not have liked krum romantically; but she clearly likes the attention that someone actually realises she is a girl . . . .
And if as eveyrone assumes, that Hermione has always liked ron, you NEVER tell a guy u like u kissed someone else. I dunno . . . i think i just like the idea that she kissed krum and i can't see that its that bigger deal.


Well, the epilogue is set the in the future - after they finish Hogwarts - so that is possible. It depends on how far into the future Jo takes it. I'm wondering if the epilogue might be set with Harry as an old man, dying. If Jo does that, she could outline pretty much their whole lives after Voldemort is defeated.

If it's just a couple of years or so, then we'd pretty much just find out who survived, what they were doing then, and who married who.

Any odds on who will be Minister for magic? maybe one of Ron and Hermione's kids?????

Sorry Deevo . . . i may reply to your post later but im losing concentration sorry.

Fair point . . . just as a matter of curiosity do you think hermione KISSED (not snogged) Cormic McLaggen (ive so spelt that wrong)....???



No. She even said "I've just escaped..." therby implying that she got away before he kissed her. Which is actually more evidence on the Hermione/Krum snog theory if you ask me. Her reaction to his attempted kiss was a bit extreme. I mean, sure he was a gross jerk, but usually when someone you don't like tries to kiss you, you don't have to run away in a panic unless you don't know how to handle that situation.

And if as eveyrone assumes, that Hermione has always liked ron, you NEVER tell a guy u like u kissed someone else.

She did not tell him that, though, Ginny did.

:agree: I initially thought the girls might have been closer than that but when you read into it a bit further it seems the relationship between Hermione and Ginny is more akin to an elder sister / younger sister than anything closer and while Hermione is prepared to give advice to Ginny I don't think she really sees her as a peer or someone she can confide in. Mind you that may be changing now, it'll be interesting to see how the two interract in Deathly Hallows.

I agree. In some ways that comes across as a sort of maternal instinct. But she doesn't really seem to see Ginny as one of her peers. It will be interesting to see if that changes in DH, although I really don't see it changing too much. They might get closer over time, but I doubt they would ever be "bestest girlfriends" or confidants.

I don't think whether she was or wasn't at the time is really that important to tell the truth. She went to the ball with Viktor because he did something that Ron didn't, he asked her. Obviously nothing went terribly wrong between Hermione and Viktor there because she still considers him a friend.

Again whether they kissed at the ball or not really isn't the big issue that it seems to be with Ron. I'm personally of the opinion that they may well have but that if they did it never lead to anything so in that respect isn't all that important. Ron has never outright asked Hermione "Did you kiss Krum?", a simple question that would solve a lot of their issues.

It might not be. It really depends on what Jo decides to do. If she wants the series to be consistent, then some explanation will be required to avoid a plot hole. But it's not really significant to the main plot so she might decide to just let the plot hole stand. However, there is a good opportunity for some significant character development here. As you said, one simple question would have resolved the issue before it denigrated into such a big mess. That's an important lesson for Ron.

Primarily, it just bugs me because there was no attraction shown on Hermione's part and it was continually emphasized on page in GOF how much time the trio was spending together to help Harry prepare for the tournament. It's just not feasible for Hermione to have been sneaking off to make out with Krum and neither Harry or Ron notice anything - no unusual behavior from Hermione - no unexplained absences where they wondered where she was - no instances where she showed up late. Given Ron's jealousy towards Krum, any such behavior from Hermione would have been noted.

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Exactly, there's just no evidence.

No. She even said "I've just escaped..." therby implying that she got away before he kissed her. Which is actually more evidence on the Hermione/Krum snog theory if you ask me. Her reaction to his attempted kiss was a bit extreme. I mean, sure he was a gross jerk, but usually when someone you don't like tries to kiss you, you don't have to run away in a panic unless you don't know how to handle that situation.

I agree. The situation with McLaggen in HBP really demonstrates how inexperienced Hermione is with such matters. It is obvious that she expected McLaggen to be a gentleman about the whole thing - likely because Krum was such a gentleman.

No. She even said "I've just escaped..." therby implying that she got away before he kissed her. Which is actually more evidence on the Hermione/Krum snog theory if you ask me. Her reaction to his attempted kiss was a bit extreme. I mean, sure he was a gross jerk, but usually when someone you don't like tries to kiss you, you don't have to run away in a panic unless you don't know how to handle that situation.

I agree but it could have been escaped from kissing him at all (which we would all like to believe) or from having to continue kissing him . . . this none of us accept JKR can know . . . we can just hope and have our own opinions.





She did not tell him that, though, Ginny did.

I was actually responding to the fact that Hermione told Ron her and viktor were just friends in GoF: i was making the point that even IF they kissed, its unlikely she is going to tell Ron straight out if she likes him without him first having the courage to ask her.

Think you may have misunderstood what i was replying to, because what i was saying in no way related to Ginny.

I agree. In some ways that comes across as a sort of maternal instinct. But she doesn't really seem to see Ginny as one of her peers. It will be interesting to see if that changes in DH, although I really don't see it changing too much. They might get closer over time, but I doubt they would ever be "bestest girlfriends" or confidants.



It might not be. It really depends on what Jo decides to do. If she wants the series to be consistent, then some explanation will be required to avoid a plot hole. But it's not really significant to the main plot so she might decide to just let the plot hole stand. However, there is a good opportunity for some significant character development here. As you said, one simple question would have resolved the issue before it denigrated into such a big mess. That's an important lesson for Ron.

Primarily, it just bugs me because there was no attraction shown on Hermione's part and it was continually emphasized on page in GOF how much time the trio was spending together to help Harry prepare for the tournament. It's just not feasible for Hermione to have been sneaking off to make out with Krum and neither Harry or Ron notice anything - no unusual behavior from Hermione - no unexplained absences where they wondered where she was - no instances where she showed up late. Given Ron's jealousy towards Krum, any such behavior from Hermione would have been noted.



I think, particularly given the return of Krum, this whole issue of kiss/no kiss will be resolved in DH.

I have to agree with whoever said that it should now become irrelevant: the maturity levels (hopefully) have risen enough that Ron and Hermione both have had pasts, and there future is together (also bearing in mind they are now of age in the wizarding world).


And apologies for my awful spelling in my last few posts . . . I don't know what has happened to my typing. Sorry.

I agree but it could have been escaped from kissing him at all (which we would all like to believe) or from having to continue kissing him . . . this none of us accept JKR can know . . . we can just hope and have our own opinions.


I don't think so, that's just playing with words at that point.

I agree but it could have been escaped from kissing him at all (which we would all like to believe) or from having to continue kissing him . . . this none of us accept JKR can know . . . we can just hope and have our own opinions.

Either way it is a demonstration of Hermione's lack of experience. She felt the need to escape. She wasn't prepared for McLaggen to take such liberties. Her experience is limited to one date with Krum where he behaved like a gentleman. She was taken by surprise that McLaggen did not.

I was actually responding to the fact that Hermione told Ron her and viktor were just friends in GoF: i was making the point that even IF they kissed, its unlikely she is going to tell Ron straight out if she likes him without him first having the courage to ask her.

The thing is, Hermione was honest regarding everything else about Krum. When it came up, she was honest that Krum had confessed feelings for her and that he had invited her to Bulgaria. It doesn't really fit that she would have lied about anything else. And Ron did question her - pointing out that Krum wanted to be more than friends. She knew what Ron thought. If there had been anything to that suspicion, she wouldn't have lied about it. That's not fair to Krum or Ron.

I think, particularly given the return of Krum, this whole issue of kiss/no kiss will be resolved in DH.

That's possible. My only concern is that it is resolved without further inconsistency. The only thing that really fits is that Ginny made an assumption based on gossip.

I agree, Meesha

I don't think so, that's just playing with words at that point.

I don't think so; i think it can be taken either way.


Either way it is a demonstration of Hermione's lack of experience. She felt the need to escape. She wasn't prepared for McLaggen to take such liberties. Her experience is limited to one date with Krum where he behaved like a gentleman. She was taken by surprise that McLaggen did not.

Fair point. Erm . . . i guess you could say one date, but there was also the time they spent together in the library: im not saying it classes as a date; but its further examples of Krum showing himself to be a gentleman. She must have had some idea of what she was letting herself in for with McLaggen though.....as Harry suggests the lengths girls will go to to get back at people. Is it possible Hermione is NOT as emotionally grown up as we all thought??



The thing is, Hermione was honest regarding everything else about Krum. When it came up, she was honest that Krum had confessed feelings for her and that he had invited her to Bulgaria. It doesn't really fit that she would have lied about anything else. And Ron did question her - pointing out that Krum wanted to be more than friends. She knew what Ron thought. If there had been anything to that suspicion, she wouldn't have lied about it. That's not fair to Krum or Ron.

Ok: at no point am i suggesting that Hermione is lieing. And IF Hermione and Krum kissed, there is no need for her to just blurt it out. Possibly a bad example, but Harry only talks about kissing Cho when he is directly asked. Does anyone ever directly ask hermione? And Im sure there is a quote somewhere from Harry thoughts after Hermione asks what shes done that it was kiss krum a long time ago . . . so he believes they kissed. We just can't be 100% certain.



That's possible. My only concern is that it is resolved without further inconsistency. The only thing that really fits is that Ginny made an assumption based on gossip.


Ginny could have made an assumption on gossip (is it really crazy too think that two people who went on a date kissed?) or it could have been that Hermione told her (i know this got shot down but).

I genuinely think that the effort put in by JKR, and other things from reading her interviews, seem to imply that she is going to try and tie everything up.

Was the Ron/Hermione holding hands in PoA film the "hint" she thought gave big clues to something that would happen in the future?(maybe i shudnt ask that here but it is a Ron/Hr thread).

Yeah, we had fun making up amusing "soap opera" names for it. Hogwart's Creek was another one - sometimes referred to as Snogwarts Creek.

Hogwarts Creek! Love that.:tu: How about "Days of our Wands" and "All my Wizards"? ;)




Either way it is a demonstration of Hermione's lack of experience. She felt the need to escape. She wasn't prepared for McLaggen to take such liberties. Her experience is limited to one date with Krum where he behaved like a gentleman. She was taken by surprise that McLaggen did not.

Exactly...and maybe also that she didnt want to hurt Ron, she probably thought that'd be a low thing to do, even though she did bring him to make Ron jealous, just wasnt her plan to do kiss.


She must have had some idea of what she was letting herself in for with McLaggen though.....as Harry suggests the lengths girls will go to to get back at people. Is it possible Hermione is NOT as emotionally grown up as we all thought??

No, it was clear she didnt expect him to attempt a kiss. And, Hermione was going through depression; thats doesnt mean that she isnt grown up, I have been depressed, my parents had been depressed, ect. Every one gets some level of emotional stress. Hermione was confused about what to do, which she later just let thier relationship slowly fall apart (better but painful way to resolve things, but really want another option). :relax:

Fair point. Erm . . . i guess you could say one date, but there was also the time they spent together in the library: im not saying it classes as a date; but its further examples of Krum showing himself to be a gentleman. She must have had some idea of what she was letting herself in for with McLaggen though.....as Harry suggests the lengths girls will go to to get back at people. Is it possible Hermione is NOT as emotionally grown up as we all thought??

Well, considering that the majority of that - as later described by Hermione - consisted of Krum sitting a fair distance away apparently trying to "pluck up the nerve", it doesn't really appear that they spent all that much time together. After the ball, Hermione really didn't have time to spend with Krum - maybe a few minutes in the library here and there, but even then she pretty much just talked about Harry from what Krum said later.

But, yeah, I would say Hermione isn't quite as emotionally mature as she would like to think. Now, in terms of maturity overall, Hermione is more mature than your average teenager. She's responsible, prefers to follow the rules, etc... But when it comes to emotions, she's not.

And that's not really that surprising. From what we're shown in PS/SS, Hermione didn't have any real friends before Harry and Ron. Her social skills hadn't really been developed and all her efforts to make friends tended to alienate people instead because they couldn't see past the fact that she was bossy and interfering. Harry and Ron were the first to look past that and they have helped her a great deal in that regard.

Ok: at no point am i suggesting that Hermione is lieing. And IF Hermione and Krum kissed, there is no need for her to just blurt it out. Possibly a bad example, but Harry only talks about kissing Cho when he is directly asked. Does anyone ever directly ask hermione? And Im sure there is a quote somewhere from Harry thoughts after Hermione asks what shes done that it was kiss krum a long time ago . . . so he believes they kissed. We just can't be 100% certain.

Harry thinks Hermione was interested in Krum because he was older and famous - which only goes to show how little he really understands Hermione because those things aren't important to her. And Harry didn't see anything to lead him to that conclusion - he's just making an assumption based on the previous assumption that she would like Krum cause he was older and famous.

Ron does ask Hermione about the nature of her relationship with Krum - pointing out that Krum wanted to be more than friends. If they were more than friends, then Hermione would have been honest about that.

Ginny could have made an assumption on gossip (is it really crazy too think that two people who went on a date kissed?) or it could have been that Hermione told her (i know this got shot down but).

Just because two people went on one date does not automatically mean they made out - and that's what snogging is. Hermione went to the ball with Krum because she didn't think Ron was going to ask her and she was never interested in anything more than friendship with him. So it is very difficult to believe that she would have made out with him - particularly considering that she knew that he had strong feelings for her. That would have been cruel and I really don't see Hermione using Krum in that manner.

I genuinely think that the effort put in by JKR, and other things from reading her interviews, seem to imply that she is going to try and tie everything up.

I agree. She's definitely going to try, but there will probably still be some loose ends - particularly regarding sub plots. It's more significant that she tie up everything regarding the main plot of the books.

However, we can keep our fingers crossed that she will do the encyclopedia. And she will be a lot more open in interviews once DH has been released. I'd say it will be a big relief for her to finally be able to talk about the series freely. :)

Was the Ron/Hermione holding hands in PoA film the "hint" she thought gave big clues to something that would happen in the future?(maybe i shudnt ask that here but it is a Ron/Hr thread).

Possibly. The movies have added quite a bit in terms of foreshadowing Ron and Hermione's relationship. Although, I think Jo was referring to something more significant to the main plot with that comment. I'm thinking it might have been Buckbeak saving Harry from Lupin in werewolf form because that was very similar to Buckbeak going after Snape in HBP.

Hogwarts Creek! Love that.:tu: How about "Days of our Wands" and "All my Wizards"? ;)

:lol: Good ones!

Let's see -

Hogsmeade, 90210

Spells of our Lives

All My Wizards

:eyebrows:

The Young and the Wandless...

we have too much fun on this thread.

The Young and the Wandless...

we have too much fun on this thread.

One Charm to Cast

As the Cauldron Bubbles

The Bold and the Magical

Guiding Wandlight

You're right - far too much fun. :rotfl:

Like sands through the timeturner, so are the...

Ok, I'm done.

How about

As the Wand Turns

The Young and the Jinxed

Days of Our Destiny

hehehe I love this thread

And just to throw my two cents in:

Just because two people went on one date does not automatically mean they made out - and that's what snogging is. Hermione went to the ball with Krum because she didn't think Ron was going to ask her and she was never interested in anything more than friendship with him. So it is very difficult to believe that she would have made out with him - particularly considering that she knew that he had strong feelings for her. That would have been cruel and I really don't see Hermione using Krum in that manner.

I agree. This is why I'm on the Hermione did not kiss Krum side. And I think it will be interesting, now that I know Krum is coming back (not sure how I missed that), to see how that plays out. In OotP, Ron did not seem to react as strongly when Hermione was writing the letter to Krum, it looks like hid jealousy is leaving.

But, that could be because Krum is in Bulgaria and far away. If Krum comes back, it could start all over again. Ron and Hermione are definately going to need to sit down and talk that out.

How about

As the Wand Turns

The Young and the Jinxed

Days of Our Destiny

hehehe I love this thread

Thought of another one.

Scry for Tomorrow

:)

And just to throw my two cents in:



I agree. This is why I'm on the Hermione did not kiss Krum side. And I think it will be interesting, now that I know Krum is coming back (not sure how I missed that), to see how that plays out. In OotP, Ron did not seem to react as strongly when Hermione was writing the letter to Krum, it looks like hid jealousy is leaving.

But, that could be because Krum is in Bulgaria and far away. If Krum comes back, it could start all over again. Ron and Hermione are definately going to need to sit down and talk that out.

I agree. Although, I would say that Ron did have a strong reaction to Hermione writing the letter to Krum in OOTP. It was just that he didn't confront Hermione about it that time. He waited until she was gone and asked Harry "what does she see in Krum". He was still bothered by that.

That is something they will definitely have to talk about - as well as Ron dating Lavender and why/how he went about it. I think they're both more secure regarding how they feel and how they think/know/suspect the other feels, but those are issues that need to be resolved. However, I doubt will see much of that occur on page. Hopefully there will at least be some mention of it.

Harry thinks Hermione was interested in Krum because he was older and famous

Do we have evidence for that? :huh:

If they were more than friends, then Hermione would have been honest about that.


Well, why? Ron just taunted her that Krum wanted to be more than friends, and if there was nothing at all then Hermione would have denied him, but does she do that...she just scowls and keeps quiet, not an action of someone who is innocent. :no:

However, we can keep our fingers crossed that she will do the encyclopedia.

Am I missing something? :shrug:

Do we have evidence for that? :huh:

“What does she see in Krum?” Ron demanded, as he and Harry climbed the boys’ stairs.

“Well,” said Harry, considering the matter, ‘I s’pose he’s older, isn’t he … and he’s an international Quidditch player …”

Hermione didn't care about either of those things. She's not shallow like that.

Well, why? Ron just taunted her that Krum wanted to be more than friends, and if there was nothing at all then Hermione would have denied him, but does she do that...she just scowls and keeps quiet, not an action of someone who is innocent. :no:

No, Ron didn't "taunt" her.

“He didn’t only want to be your pen-pal,” said Ron accusingly.

Hermione shook her head exasperatedly and, ignoring Ron, who was continuing to watch her, said to Harry, ‘Well, what do you think? Will you teach us?”

Ron pointed out that Krum didn't just want to be friends - which was the truth and Hermione had told them that the year before. Hermione was exasperated. There was nothing between her and Krum and she didn't know how to get Ron to see that. It does not appear that Hermione is hiding anything, but rather that she has nothing to hide and is exasperated because Ron continues to read more into it than there was.

Am I missing something? :shrug:

Jo's commented a few times that she might do an encyclopedia about the series after it is complete - background information, character biographies, history, etc... I wrote to her last year and got a nice form letter back from the publisher mentioning the possibility of the encyclopedia as well. I hope she does do it. It would be a wonderful way to tie up all the loose ends for everything.

I agree. In some ways that comes across as a sort of maternal instinct. But she doesn't really seem to see Ginny as one of her peers. It will be interesting to see if that changes in DH, although I really don't see it changing too much. They might get closer over time, but I doubt they would ever be "bestest girlfriends" or confidants.
I think they could be in the long run but that would depend on how close she and Ron remain to Harry and Ginny after the war.

Still it's interesting that after six years in the wizarding world Hermione still seems to be without any girl-friends.

It might not be. It really depends on what Jo decides to do. If she wants the series to be consistent, then some explanation will be required to avoid a plot hole. But it's not really significant to the main plot so she might decide to just let the plot hole stand. However, there is a good opportunity for some significant character development here. As you said, one simple question would have resolved the issue before it denigrated into such a big mess. That's an important lesson for Ron.

Primarily, it just bugs me because there was no attraction shown on Hermione's part and it was continually emphasized on page in GOF how much time the trio was spending together to help Harry prepare for the tournament. It's just not feasible for Hermione to have been sneaking off to make out with Krum and neither Harry or Ron notice anything - no unusual behavior from Hermione - no unexplained absences where they wondered where she was - no instances where she showed up late. Given Ron's jealousy towards Krum, any such behavior from Hermione would have been noted.
I don't think that Hermione would have been 'sneaking off' anyway regardless of whether she had feelings for Viktor or not. Still I think there may have beem some contact during the ball, at least before Ron made such a donkey of himself.

Well, you could use my father-in-law's formula - in which case you would be 24 now. :whistle:
I wish. :rolleyes:

I agree. The situation with McLaggen in HBP really demonstrates how inexperienced Hermione is with such matters. It is obvious that she expected McLaggen to be a gentleman about the whole thing - likely because Krum was such a gentleman.
That's a good point though I still think inexperienced doesn't necessarily equate to non-experienced. As you say, and I'm inclined to agree because I think Viktor is essentially a nice guy, he seems to have been a perfect gentleman in Goblet of Fire but that can still leave room for a kiss or two. :eyebrows:

No doubt that McLaggen was a pig though, I always thought that 'escaped' implied wandering hands as much as wandering lips.

I was actually responding to the fact that Hermione told Ron her and viktor were just friends in GoF: i was making the point that even IF they kissed, its unlikely she is going to tell Ron straight out if she likes him without him first having the courage to ask her.
Pretty much my thoughts on that. Whatever, if anything, that happened between Hermione and Viktor it's really up to Ron to ask the question. That would achieve two breakthroughs for them.

Hermione would know for sure that Ron was interested.
Hermione would know for sure just what Ron's big issue was.


I think, particularly given the return of Krum, this whole issue of kiss/no kiss will be resolved in DH.
:agree: One would hope so.

I have to agree with whoever said that it should now become irrelevant: the maturity levels (hopefully) have risen enough that Ron and Hermione both have had pasts, and there future is together (also bearing in mind they are now of age in the wizarding world).
I think it is irrelevant now, what needs to be bought out into the open is the question and the answer. Ron doesn't know, Hermione knows but doesn't know that this is Ron's issue.

The thing is, Hermione was honest regarding everything else about Krum. When it came up, she was honest that Krum had confessed feelings for her and that he had invited her to Bulgaria. It doesn't really fit that she would have lied about anything else. And Ron did question her - pointing out that Krum wanted to be more than friends. She knew what Ron thought. If there had been anything to that suspicion, she wouldn't have lied about it. That's not fair to Krum or Ron.
I don't think she lied but I don't think she was prepared at the time to voulenteer specifics either. Ron was being such a berk about it all at the time that she really had no reason to want to go into detail.

Yay . . . finally some support.

If Hermione / Krum kissed (NOT snogged, just kissed) would it really be that terrible?

And also: if they didnt kiss why hasnt JKR just come out in the book with a straight "we never kissed". Thats what leaves it open(probably so we can debate it but . . . )

I think they could be in the long run but that would depend on how close she and Ron remain to Harry and Ginny after the war.

Still it's interesting that after six years in the wizarding world Hermione still seems to be without any girl-friends.

It's not really that unusual. When I was Hermione's age, all of my friends were male. I only have one close female friend - and the irony of that is that we're close because we're both "tomboys" in that sense - we both had mostly male friends with some overlap. We met through mutual male friends.

I don't think gender is all that relevant myself. Being comfortable enough with someone to share secrets doesn't really have anything to do with gender - it's about the friendship itself.

I don't think that Hermione would have been 'sneaking off' anyway regardless of whether she had feelings for Viktor or not. Still I think there may have beem some contact during the ball, at least before Ron made such a donkey of himself.

That's pretty much the point. Snogging is making out/kissing passionately with tongue and I don't see Hermione being that seriously involved with Krum and - if she had been - she would have to have been sneaking around in order for neither Harry or Ron to notice anything.

I'm not ruling out a quick peck the night of the ball. I can see Hermione allowing that because it would have been polite, but I doubt there was ever anything more than that - certainly no tongues involved.

I wish. :rolleyes:

That's kind of the point. ;)

That's a good point though I still think inexperienced doesn't necessarily equate to non-experienced. As you say, and I'm inclined to agree because I think Viktor is essentially a nice guy, he seems to have been a perfect gentleman in Goblet of Fire but that can still leave room for a kiss or two. :eyebrows:

No doubt that McLaggen was a pig though, I always thought that 'escaped' implied wandering hands as much as wandering lips.

Like I said - maybe a quick peck, but I doubt there was anything beyond that.

But McLaggen was certainly no gentleman and Hermione's "disheveled appearance and reference to the fact that she "escaped" implies a potentially dangerous situation. A good lesson for young girls everywhere in exercising caution.

However, if Hermione were the type who had no problem making out with a guy she was not interested in - which is the overall implication of Ginny saying she snogged Krum - then she wouldn't have had any problem making out with McLaggen. After all, that would have "irritated" Ron even more than just going to the party with him. I just think Hermione is the type of person who would have to have strong feelings for someone before she would even consider making out with them.

Pretty much my thoughts on that. Whatever, if anything, that happened between Hermione and Viktor it's really up to Ron to ask the question. That would achieve two breakthroughs for them.

Hermione would know for sure that Ron was interested.
Hermione would know for sure just what Ron's big issue was.


I would agree, but it's unlikely that Ron will do that. His pattern is to just drop it and move on - once he's not angry anymore. If Jo does decide to resolve the issue one way or the other, it will likely come up through a third party. I'd say Ginny is most likely since she obviously believes that Hermione had that kind of relationship with Krum and has no idea that Ron and Hermione like each other.

I think it is irrelevant now, what needs to be bought out into the open is the question and the answer. Ron doesn't know, Hermione knows but doesn't know that this is Ron's issue.

I agree. It is only significant because Hermione has no idea that's why Ron seemingly rejected her and started dating Lavender instead. From Hermione's point of view, there is no explanation for Ron doing that and she most likely thinks that Ron went out with Lavender simply because she's prettier - or some shallow reason like that. And Ron really does need to learn that he should have gotten Hermione's side of it before getting mad.

I don't think she lied but I don't think she was prepared at the time to voulenteer specifics either. Ron was being such a berk about it all at the time that she really had no reason to want to go into detail.

I'm not talking about specifics. As I said above, in order for Hermione to have been making out with Krum, then they would have to have dated - had a serious relationship. In that event, Hermione did lie because she passed it off as only friendship and got exasperated when Ron continued to read more into it than that. I just don't see Hermione doing that. If she had dated Krum, I think she would have responded differently. She could have told Ron they dated and it didn't work out without going into a lot of detail.

Yay . . . finally some support.

If Hermione / Krum kissed (NOT snogged, just kissed) would it really be that terrible?

And also: if they didnt kiss why hasnt JKR just come out in the book with a straight "we never kissed". Thats what leaves it open(probably so we can debate it but . . . )

Like I said above, I can see a quick peck the night of the ball. I'm only arguing against snogging because Hermione just wasn't interested in Krum like that.

However, what really strikes me is the fact that Jo continually avoids discussing this issue. After HBP, she was more than willing to discuss how she wanted Harry and Ron to kiss other girls first and why - she even discussed Ginny and how she had to go on a journey to some extent. And she had a lot of fun in discussing that.

However, she avoids discussing Hermione and Krum. Everything regarding that is from Ron's point of view - Ron would like to know or Ron realizes. Basically, all she's told us is that Ron thinks something happened without confirming whether or not it actually did. And she was very quick to point out that it was not physical experience that she was trying to show - which basically tells us that one of them does not have any physical experience.

That does leave the issue open for debate. The odd thing about that is, if it was all said and done, there would be no reason for that. And it is also suspicious that Hermione never found out about it in HBP. The implication is that this issue is not finished and there will be more to it in DH. That's really the only reason I can think of why Jo would freely discuss everyone else, but not Hermione.

To - hopefully - bring this back around to the topic, it is an issue that needs to be resolved before they get together - or at least when they get together. Otherwise, they run the risk of the same issue cropping up again. Hermione needs to know why Ron got so mad at her and why he seemingly rejected her for Lavender - that's important for both her own self-esteem as well as her trust in Ron - or more accurately, how secure she is in his feelings for her. That also applies to Ron because he needs to know what Hermione's relationship with Krum really was and where they stand now - basically for the same reasons.

It's also an important lesson in communication for both of them - and Harry as well to a lesser extent. How differently would the situation have played out if Ron had simply gone to Hermione and gotten her side of the story? How differently would it have played out if Hermione had made a concentrated effort to find out why Ron was mad and resolve it? How differently would it have played out if Harry had simply told Hermione why Ron was so upset?

Hermione needs to know why Ron got so mad at her and why he seemingly rejected her for Lavender - that's important for both her own self-esteem as well as her trust in Ron - or more accurately, how secure she is in his feelings for her. That also applies to Ron because he needs to know what Hermione's relationship with Krum really was and where they stand now - basically for the same reasons.

I agree, especially for Hermione. It will be interesting when the issue is brought up to see how Hermione reacts to Ginny telling Ron that she kissed Krum. :eyebrows:

After HBP, we know how close Ron and Hermione were to gettinig together. But I don't think Hermione will let herself get close to be hurt again until she understands why Ron rejected her in the first place. Hermione's self-esteem was most likely completely shot becasue of Ron and Lavender and she needs to bring it up again.

Hermione was the one who initiated the relationship the first time around and she's not going to do it again. The issue is going to have to come up again, whether through Krum or GInny, and Ron is going to need to explain himself before they become a couple. Ron is going to have to take the iniative this time around.

However, if Hermione were the type who had no problem making out with a guy she was not interested in - which is the overall implication of Ginny saying she snogged Krum - then she wouldn't have had any problem making out with McLaggen. After all, that would have "irritated" Ron even more than just going to the party with him. I just think Hermione is the type of person who would have to have strong feelings for someone before she would even consider making out with them.

I agree. Hermione is not a "scarlet woman" as Ron so eloquently put it. I'm not against there being a quick peck either. That description seems to go with Krum being gentlemanly, but Hermione wouldn't have considered a big deal, hence her frustration with Ron. A quick peck would not be enough for her to tell Ron about, especially after the way he was acting at the Yule Ball. I would bet Hermione was not a great date after Ron made some of those comments. Poor Krum. :rolleyes:

Under those circumstances, I highly doubt, gentlemen or not, that Krum would have kissed Hermione. And to keep this is context, Ron needs to come to terms with this before he and Hermione become a couple.

True, though I personally think at this point it's a bit of a moot question, after all Ron has never actually asked her. Until he does it'll just be a sore point for him.He never directly outright asked her, understandably. He never would do that. Not even now, I guess. Likewise, Hermione would most probably never outright say she snogged Krum (if she had done it that is). But Ron did try to find out about her relationship with Krum, in his own unique Ron-way. :lol: Hermione knew what he really wanted to know. So, why, months after Krum left, not just say, 'he was nice, we were dating a while, get over with it' ?

I think the important thing is that Ron got over it. If it turns out that she didn't kiss Viktor, Ron will be happy, but if it turns out she did at least it will not be a problem for him anymore. He realized it didn't matter. So basically that issue will not make things worse.Ron still thinks Hermione and Krum snogged and he now knows it is not important (anymore). Even if he assumes Hermione was once romantically interested in Krum, he knows she isn´t now. And that is what is relevant. It could be a source of a bit of uncertainty though, especially since Krum will turn up again. So, at one point this issue has to be resolved. My guess is even it will be resolved before Krum appears. Question is: Will we see that onpage?


I would agree, but it's unlikely that Ron will do that. His pattern is to just drop it and move on - once he's not angry anymore. If Jo does decide to resolve the issue one way or the other, it will likely come up through a third party. I'd say Ginny is most likely since she obviously believes that Hermione had that kind of relationship with Krum and has no idea that Ron and Hermione like each other.I agree. I can´t imagine Ron seriously addressing Hermione about this issue without some kind of external incentive. Either a third party, as you suggest, innocently brings it up or, what I can imagine as well, learning that Krum will show up causes Ron to blurt out with a question/remark.

To - hopefully - bring this back around to the topic, it is an issue that needs to be resolved before they get together - or at least when they get together. Otherwise, they run the risk of the same issue cropping up again. Hermione needs to know why Ron got so mad at her and why he seemingly rejected her for Lavender - that's important for both her own self-esteem as well as her trust in Ron - or more accurately, how secure she is in his feelings for her. That also applies to Ron because he needs to know what Hermione's relationship with Krum really was and where they stand now - basically for the same reasons. Yes, that defintely has to be resolved, but I am unsure if it has to be before they get together. They are so close already at the end of HBP, and I guess we all assume they have not yet resolved it, I see a possibility they confess their feelings and get together. And then, free from insecurities and other restraints, they are comfortable enough to openly address everything.


After HBP, we know how close Ron and Hermione were to gettinig together. But I don't think Hermione will let herself get close to be hurt again until she understands why Ron rejected her in the first place. Hermione's self-esteem was most likely completely shot becasue of Ron and Lavender and she needs to bring it up again.
Hermione was the one who initiated the relationship the first time around and she's not going to do it again. The issue is going to have to come up again, whether through Krum or GInny, and Ron is going to need to explain himself before they become a couple. Ron is going to have to take the iniative this time around.
Hermione will not be the one to make the move this time, that´s up to Ron now. I think she already knows that Ron´s feelings were not really into Lavender, but she certainly still has to know why Won-Won/Lav-Lav happened in the first place. But, as I said above, I could imagine those things get resolved after they get together. I think it could go both way, issues resolved before or after. But the first move towards the relationship comes from Ron.

Ron still thinks Hermione and Krum snogged and he now knows it is not important (anymore). Even if he assumes Hermione was once romantically interested in Krum, he knows she isn´t now. And that is what is relevant. It could be a source of a bit of uncertainty though, especially since Krum will turn up again. So, at one point this issue has to be resolved. My guess is even it will be resolved before Krum appears. Question is: Will we see that onpage?

I agree, that's what I'm saying. My point is, even though it has to be resolved, this issue should not cause any more problems between the two of them

Thought of another one.

Scry for Tomorrow

And "General Hospital Wing"

Ron still thinks Hermione and Krum snogged and he now knows it is not important (anymore). Even if he assumes Hermione was once romantically interested in Krum, he knows she isn´t now. And that is what is relevant. It could be a source of a bit of uncertainty though, especially since Krum will turn up again. So, at one point this issue has to be resolved. My guess is even it will be resolved before Krum appears. Question is: Will we see that onpage?

I hope so. I want to see as many R/Hr moments as we can!:p

I agree. I can´t imagine Ron seriously addressing Hermione about this issue without some kind of external incentive. Either a third party, as you suggest, innocently brings it up or, what I can imagine as well, learning that Krum will show up causes Ron to blurt out with a question/remark.

I actually think that it'd be brought up sort of casually, somehow he'll blurt out a question relating the kiss, then it goes from there, admitting feelings (Ron first, of course) and things will resolve from there...but Hermione will probably bring up Lavender in the defense of Krum being brought up.

I don't know, I think Ron might volunteer the information about Lavendar. Hermione has pretty much forgiven that, I think, except she does not understand why it happened. I doubt she would ask him though, so I think he might just say what happened.

I agree, especially for Hermione. It will be interesting when the issue is brought up to see how Hermione reacts to Ginny telling Ron that she kissed Krum. :eyebrows:

Oh absolutely. That will definitely cause some conflict between Hermione and Ginny. Not necessarily anything major, but Hermione is going to be upset. And that holds regardless of whether you believe it or not. If it were true, then Ginny would have broken a confidence and told Ron something that Hermione had put a great deal of effort into keeping from him - giving no consideration to how Hermione would feel or showing any remorse for doing so. As it stands, Ginny made an assumption based on gossip and spread tales about Hermione - the same thing she accused Ron of doing to her with the twins. So either way, Hermione is not going to be happy with Ginny.

After HBP, we know how close Ron and Hermione were to gettinig together. But I don't think Hermione will let herself get close to be hurt again until she understands why Ron rejected her in the first place. Hermione's self-esteem was most likely completely shot becasue of Ron and Lavender and she needs to bring it up again.

Hermione was the one who initiated the relationship the first time around and she's not going to do it again. The issue is going to have to come up again, whether through Krum or GInny, and Ron is going to need to explain himself before they become a couple. Ron is going to have to take the iniative this time around.

I agree. Hermione did get a more concrete affirmation in HBP with Ron calling out her name and letting "I love you" slip (both were just so sweet! :love: ), but Ron hasn't actually said anything to her directly. With the way the whole thing went down with Lavender - and not knowing the real cause behind that - I don't think Hermione will be willing to take that risk again.

It's important step for Ron as well. He needs to build up his own confidence and be willing to take that risk.

I agree. Hermione is not a "scarlet woman" as Ron so eloquently put it. I'm not against there being a quick peck either. That description seems to go with Krum being gentlemanly, but Hermione wouldn't have considered a big deal, hence her frustration with Ron. A quick peck would not be enough for her to tell Ron about, especially after the way he was acting at the Yule Ball. I would bet Hermione was not a great date after Ron made some of those comments. Poor Krum. :rolleyes:

Under those circumstances, I highly doubt, gentlemen or not, that Krum would have kissed Hermione. And to keep this is context, Ron needs to come to terms with this before he and Hermione become a couple.

Completely agree. :agree:

What could Ron tell Hermione about Lavender that she doesn't already know? Ron wasn't exactly discreet with Lavender.

Maybe Ron still has the "My Sweetheart" necklace Lavender gave him. He probably should have given it back to her. Hopefully, he won't give it to Hermione.

What could Ron tell Hermione about Lavender that she doesn't already know? Ron wasn't exactly discreet with Lavender.

Maybe Ron still has the "My Sweetheart" necklace Lavender gave him. He probably should have given it back to her. Hopefully, he won't give it to Hermione.

First: does Hermione know why he went with Lavender, when from her point of view it must be pretty obvious that she likes him? Problem is two fold: the fact that up to that point had he really forgiven the Hermione/Krum and also the teasing/berating he got about never having kissed someone.

The "My Sweetheart" necklace should go in a box and be kept there forever and ever till very old and can look back on what he did (with Hermione) and laugh about it. Think its a bit mean to give it back . . . and even if he didnt LOVE lavender, he must have cared for her on some level, and its a bit rude to just give it back . . .maybe.

What could Ron tell Hermione about Lavender that she doesn't already know? Ron wasn't exactly discreet with Lavender.

Maybe Ron still has the "My Sweetheart" necklace Lavender gave him. He probably should have given it back to her. Hopefully, he won't give it to Hermione.

Actually, there is a lot going on there that Hermione does not know.


She doesn't know about Ginny saying she snogged Krum.
She doesn't know that is why Ron was mad at her that week.
She doesn't know that Ginny made fun of Ron for his lack of experience.
She doesn't know that - along with feeling that she had lied to him about Krum - is what pushed Ron into dating Lavender.


From Hermione's point of view, Ron rejected her for no apparent reason and attached himself to Lavender by the lips. What conclusion was she left to draw? The obvious conclusion - with the limited information that Hermione had - was that there was something lacking in her - that Ron preferred Lavender over her. And that wasn't the case.

It's important that the issue be resolved for both of them. Ron needs to know that Krum is not a threat and never was. Hermione needs to know that Ron didn't choose Lavender over her, he mistakenly thought he didn't have a chance with Hermione and gave up. Otherwise, they leave themselves open for this type of misunderstanding to occur again. If Hermione never finds out the truth, what happens the next time Ron even looks at a pretty girl? Hermione is going to worry that Ron will choose that girl over her. What happens when Krum shows up? Ron is going to worry that Hermione will choose Krum over him.

It's not so much that they need to share every little detail regarding Krum or Lavender. It's the root of the problem that needs to be addressed. Ron needs to know that Hermione went to the ball with Krum because she didn't believe he would ask her. Hermione needs to know that Ron started dating Lavender because he didn't believe that Hermione would ever return his feelings. They both need to know that the problem was rooted in their own insecurities.

Exactly, Meesha. There are things that are still important, and even though they seem to have put it behind them, they still need to know what really happened.

As for the necklace, she would not care if he still has it. It's not like an engagement ring, I don't think he should have given it back when they broke up, and frankly, it would be cruel to make him tell anyone about it. Poor Ron.

Exactly, Meesha. There are things that are still important, and even though they seem to have put it behind them, they still need to know what really happened.

:agree:

As for the necklace, she would not care if he still has it. It's not like an engagement ring, I don't think he should have given it back when they broke up, and frankly, it would be cruel to make him tell anyone about it. Poor Ron.

Maybe they could melt it down and make it into a "weapon of love" to kill Voldemort. Or just make him wear it. He'd die from embarrassment! :lol:

I'm not sure how many "talks" Ron and Hermione will have, or how many we will see. If we get to see them get together in DH (or maybe Harry will stumble upon them when he goes to get more cake and overhears their conversation), I think there will be more of a "there's a war, we got things to do, let's do them and get back in one piece." Did that make any sense?

It might be farfetched, due to their behavior at the ending of HBP, but perhaps, just perhaps, both Ron and Hermione will keep their feelings at bay until after Voldemorts defeat, if only to protect themselves. If they survive, that's one thing, but what if someone of them would die? Imagine the pain of the survivor (probably Ron).

If and when they do admit their feelings for each other, it should be right at the end of DH. Just imagine how weird it would be to read abot Ron and Hermione being all lovey dovey to each other. :err:

If and when they do admit their feelings for each other, it should be right at the end of DH. Just imagine how weird it would be to read abot Ron and Hermione being all lovey dovey to each other. :err:
I think I'll second that. JKR might be able to write the story and Ron and Hermione perfectly, but I just cannot see them acting like that... :relax:

Actually, there is a lot going on there that Hermione does not know.


She doesn't know about Ginny saying she snogged Krum.
She doesn't know that is why Ron was mad at her that week.
She doesn't know that Ginny made fun of Ron for his lack of experience.
She doesn't know that - along with feeling that she had lied to him about Krum - is what pushed Ron into dating Lavender.
:agree: I would like to add the infamous Felix Felicis incident to the list, when - for Ron - it looked like Hermione had no trust in his Quidditch abilities specifically and in his abilities generally. And her quite cold behaviour, from which the invitation to the Christmas party kind of came out of the blue, could have to be explained as well.

It's not so much that they need to share every little detail regarding Krum or Lavender. *raises hand* I guess Ron would like to know every detail... just to make sure. :lol:

As for the necklace, she would not care if he still has it. It's not like an engagement ring, I don't think he should have given it back when they broke up, and frankly, it would be cruel to make him tell anyone about it. Poor Ron.The necklace better went into the rubbish bin. Could lead to some awkward situations. Not that Hermione finds it and believes it is her birthday present and thinks Ron now has gone completely nuts. And beware should the twins find it. :elaugh:


It might be farfetched, due to their behavior at the ending of HBP, but perhaps, just perhaps, both Ron and Hermione will keep their feelings at bay until after Voldemorts defeat, if only to protect themselves. If they survive, that's one thing, but what if someone of them would die? Imagine the pain of the survivor (probably Ron).Don´t you think, considering how they already stand to each other now, both would be thoroughly devastated should the other one get severely injured or die? Probably even more so when they had denied themselves their relationship? The surviving part would always ask themself: What could have been?

Apart from that, I don´t think they would be able to. They are both quite emotional characters, I have a hard time seeing them keep their feelings for each other at bay without evoking more UT problems. And that is something they defintely can´t afford now.

If and when they do admit their feelings for each other, it should be right at the end of DH. Just imagine how weird it would be to read abot Ron and Hermione being all lovey dovey to each other. :err:We would not see any lovey dovey behaviour. That is not in their character. Ron, after the fun of snoggin had worn off a bit, seemed to have been more embarrassed by Lavender´s public attention. And Hermione is not the one for PDAs anyway. They would both keep their relationship low profile. They would not behave much differently than Harry and Ginny did.

If and when they do admit their feelings for each other, it should be right at the end of DH. Just imagine how weird it would be to read abot Ron and Hermione being all lovey dovey to each other.

Well, as much as I would love to see them act like a couple I would be shocked if there was a lot of lovey dovey-ness in the story.

We would not see any lovey dovey behaviour. That is not in their character. Ron, after the fun of snoggin had worn off a bit, seemed to have been more embarrassed by Lavender´s public attention. And Hermione is not the one for PDAs anyway. They would both keep their relationship low profile. They would not behave much differently than Harry and Ginny did.

I agree. :agree: Aside from their attitude toward PDA, both of them are going to be around Harry quite a lot and they aren't going to want to make Harry feel awkward and isolated. They would want to prove that nothing is really different. We might see little things that show they are a couple, but I agree it will be written similar to Harry and Ginny's relationship.

Don´t you think, considering how they already stand to each other now, both would be thoroughly devastated should the other one get severely injured or die? Probably even more so when they had denied themselves their relationship? The surviving part would always ask themself: What could have been?

Apart from that, I don´t think they would be able to. They are both quite emotional characters, I have a hard time seeing them keep their feelings for each other at bay without evoking more UT problems. And that is something they defintely can´t afford now.

Totally. Ron and Hermione have already had their "awakening" about the fact that they could die at any moment with the whole Ron being poisoned incident. The poison incident was enough to make Hermione realize how much she still needed Ron and how he could've died thinking she hated him. Neither Ron nor Hermione are going to give death a chance to pull them apart again.

There is also the literary standpoint. JKR has them basically together at this point, we all know who the couples are, and there is no point to drag it out any longer. Once the Krum/LAv-Lav situation is resolved there will be nothing left to stop them from getting together.

Don´t you think, considering how they already stand to each other now, both would be thoroughly devastated should the other one get severely injured or die? Probably even more so when they had denied themselves their relationship? The surviving part would always ask themself: What could have been?
I don't really know, since I haven't been in that situation yet. But since their case is an unique one (I doubt that I'll ever leave everything behind to travel with my best friend and my true love to try and kill a very evil someone), I don't really know what they would feel. True, they would be devastated to the very core no matter what, that's not even a question.

In my limited experience, and in my mind, it would be devastating to lose someone you have just opened yourself to, and learned to love after so long. Worth it, perhaps, but hardly any comfort at the moment. And it is not like Ron and Hermione haven't been there before, they have both been injured, on the brink of death, and still they allowed their fear to hold them back. That's why I think they should wait.

What could Ron tell Hermione about Lavender that she doesn't already know? Ron wasn't exactly discreet with Lavender.

Maybe Ron still has the "My Sweetheart" necklace Lavender gave him. He probably should have given it back to her. Hopefully, he won't give it to Hermione.

:lol: Hermione will immediatele reconize it in that case. The only thing I'd be thinking in shoes though is why Ron still has the necklace. just as a joke though, she knows he has no more interests for Lavender.

Maybe they could melt it down and make it into a "weapon of love" to kill Voldemort. Or just make him wear it. He'd die from embarrassment!
:lol:

The necklace better went into the rubbish bin. Could lead to some awkward situations. Not that Hermione finds it and believes it is her birthday present and thinks Ron now has gone completely nuts. And beware should the twins find it.

THAT would be very amusing.:elaugh:

Ron and Hermione both don't know how to handle their feelings for each other. Hermione sees it as something totally divorced from her strength--her intellect. Ron is just--a messed up adolescent. The events in the next book will--I suspect-- relegate everyone's love for each other to a minor matter. At least until they deal with Wohldemort.

I don't really know, since I haven't been in that situation yet. But since their case is an unique one (I doubt that I'll ever leave everything behind to travel with my best friend and my true love to try and kill a very evil someone), I don't really know what they would feel. True, they would be devastated to the very core no matter what, that's not even a question.

In my limited experience, and in my mind, it would be devastating to lose someone you have just opened yourself to, and learned to love after so long. Worth it, perhaps, but hardly any comfort at the moment. And it is not like Ron and Hermione haven't been there before, they have both been injured, on the brink of death, and still they allowed their fear to hold them back. That's why I think they should wait.

I'm going to have to agree with ronjalina on that. It would be much, much worse for them to continue to make excuses and put it off and then one of them die. I think the events of HBP served to make them realize that they could die in all this much more than anything else they have gone through. Sure, they were both injured in OOTP, but they didn't witness it or even have time for that to register. They came around in the hospital wing with everybody alive. Ron's poisoning was really the first time they had faced the possibility of one of them dying like that. It was a wake up call for both of them and brought about changes. They immediately went to work on repairing their damaged friendship. Dumbledore's death really drove that point home. They all looked up to Dumbledore and there is a sense of "if Dumbledore can be killed, any of us can" from everyone.

Unresolved issues only serve to make the pain of loss even worse and lead to years of "what if" and "if only". Death is difficult in even the best of situations, but knowing that there was nothing left unresolved does help. The best advice I ever received came from my grandmother who was widowed at the tender age of 17 with two small children and one on the way. The biggest regret of her life was that she and my grandfather had argued before he left that day before he left and he was killed by a drunk driver on the way home. She never really got over that. She told me - "Every time your husband walks out the door, act like you'll never see him again - never put off saying I love you or letting him know how you feel - because, you never know - one day he might walk out that door and you never will see him again."

There are certain things that will have to be put on hold. They can't head off to the movies or go dancing while they are helping Harry. But they can tell each other how they feel and show each other how they feel every day. I doubt Ron and Hermione would ever behave all "lovey dovey" towards each other - that's just not their style. But there's no reason for them not to be able to say "I love you. Be careful."

Exactly. They would regret it more if they put it off.

It might be farfetched, due to their behavior at the ending of HBP, but perhaps, just perhaps, both Ron and Hermione will keep their feelings at bay until after Voldemorts defeat, if only to protect themselves. If they survive, that's one thing, but what if someone of them would die? Imagine the pain of the survivor (probably Ron).
I can't see them holding back now if only for that very reason. Both have now been through almost losing the other and with Dumbledore's death I'm sure they'll realise that they can't go on with this up in the air.

Also what they're embarking on with Harry will be bloody dangerous and they can't afford distractions in the form of unresolved tensions between them to get in the way. I think that Ron, being the tactician that he is, will realise this and even if he feels he's blown his chance he'll still decide to tell Hermione how he feels so they don't have this unresolved problem following them into battle.

I'm going to have to agree with ronjalina on that. It would be much, much worse for them to continue to make excuses and put it off and then one of them die. I think the events of HBP served to make them realize that they could die in all this much more than anything else they have gone through. Sure, they were both injured in OOTP, but they didn't witness it or even have time for that to register. They came around in the hospital wing with everybody alive. Ron's poisoning was really the first time they had faced the possibility of one of them dying like that. It was a wake up call for both of them and brought about changes. They immediately went to work on repairing their damaged friendship. Dumbledore's death really drove that point home. They all looked up to Dumbledore and there is a sense of "if Dumbledore can be killed, any of us can" from everyone.

Unresolved issues only serve to make the pain of loss even worse and lead to years of "what if" and "if only". Death is difficult in even the best of situations, but knowing that there was nothing left unresolved does help. The best advice I ever received came from my grandmother who was widowed at the tender age of 17 with two small children and one on the way. The biggest regret of her life was that she and my grandfather had argued before he left that day before he left and he was killed by a drunk driver on the way home. She never really got over that. She told me - "Every time your husband walks out the door, act like you'll never see him again - never put off saying I love you or letting him know how you feel - because, you never know - one day he might walk out that door and you never will see him again."

There are certain things that will have to be put on hold. They can't head off to the movies or go dancing while they are helping Harry. But they can tell each other how they feel and show each other how they feel every day. I doubt Ron and Hermione would ever behave all "lovey dovey" towards each other - that's just not their style. But there's no reason for them not to be able to say "I love you. Be careful."
:agree: They'll never be the kind of publically demonstrative couple that others are and besides, there isn't the time for that right now.

:agree: and there's all that, besides the fact that they've already kept it in for years, and it's bound to come out soon anyway.

I would have thought that Lavender would have demanded Ron give her the necklace back when they broke up. Failing that, he should probably sell it in a pawn shop, if they have reputable pawn shops in the wizard world. I don't think selling it Borgin and Burkes is an option.

Whatever became of the necklace, I'm sure it's irrelevant. Unless it turns out to be one of Voldie's horcruxes, it's unlikely to ever turn up in the story again. (Sarcasm, just so's you all know. I will not have my name attached to any threads analyzing the possibility that the Sweetheart necklace is a horcrux. I will totally delete this post if one is created)

Whatever became of the necklace, I'm sure it's irrelevant. Unless it turns out to be one of Voldie's horcruxes, it's unlikely to ever turn up in the story again. (Sarcasm, just so's you all know. I will not habve my name attached to any threads analyzing the possibility that the Sweetheart necklace is a horcrux. I will totally delete this post if one is created)

But it's so brilliant! I can't believe I didn't see it before! Obviously, Lavender is a descendant of Rowena Ravenclaw and the tacky Sweetheart necklace is a valuable family heirloom passed down for generations. They have the unknown Horcrux right under their nose! :err:

Okay, I'm done - I can't even type that with straight face. :lol:

Course we should probably mark these posts - if something like that happened we could say we predicted it. ;)

The topic is Ron and Hermione.

Yes, I know, I was sort of trying to get the topic off of the necklace, but I did a poor job.

I'm sorry. The necklace thing just struck me as funny. :)

Back to Ron and Hermione. I just saw a wonderful movie spoiler.

Ron is begging Herm. to write some of a paper for him, when she finally agrees to write the first part of it he says "I love you" joking. But of course no one takes it like that in the audience.

I wonder why they decided to put this scene in 5. Maybe Goldenberg wrote it before book 6 even came out, or maybe they decided to add it after reading book six. Personally, I don't think it really matters which movie they put it in.

:love:

Lovely! I was worried that there would be less R/Hr emphasis in the movie, as I always am about every good thing that could be cut.

And I'd hate to toot my own horn, but uh... the necklace thing was funny! lol

I'm sorry. The necklace thing just struck me as funny. :)

Back to Ron and Hermione. I just saw a wonderful movie spoiler.

Ron is begging Herm. to write some of a paper for him, when she finally agrees to write the first part of it he says "I love you" joking. But of course no one takes it like that in the audience.

I wonder why they decided to put this scene in 5. Maybe Goldenberg wrote it before book 6 even came out, or maybe they decided to add it after reading book six. Personally, I don't think it really matters which movie they put it in.

:love:

WAIT-A-DARN-MINUTE! Did they put it in movie five? NO! WHY? :upset: What will they do now for that whole adorable scene in HBP? That meant soo much to me!

Wow, I need a life. :no: :err:


*I need to stop reading those tempting spoilers. :lol: *

WAIT-A-DARN-MINUTE! Did they put it in movie five? NO! WHY? :upset: What will they do now for that whole adorable scene in HBP? That meant soo much to me!

Wow, I need a life. :no: :err:


*I need to stop reading those tempting spoilers. :lol: *

:lol:

Well, it has a bit of a different tone in the movie than the similar scene did in HBP. So it is still possible for them to include that in the movie for HBP as well. They would just have to use a different tone - less of a joking manner and more like how it appeared in HBP. And we still have the hospital wing to look forward too! :)

:agree: As well as anything they might decide to add. There was quite a bit added in the PoA movie.

I agree. :agree: Aside from their attitude toward PDA, both of them are going to be around Harry quite a lot and they aren't going to want to make Harry feel awkward and isolated. They would want to prove that nothing is really different. We might see little things that show they are a couple, but I agree it will be written similar to Harry and Ginny's relationship. :agree:

Totally. Ron and Hermione have already had their "awakening" about the fact that they could die at any moment with the whole Ron being poisoned incident. The poison incident was enough to make Hermione realize how much she still needed Ron and how he could've died thinking she hated him. Neither Ron nor Hermione are going to give death a chance to pull them apart again. Exactly. And they know some more close calls can follow with what they are up to now.

There is also the literary standpoint. JKR has them basically together at this point, we all know who the couples are, and there is no point to drag it out any longer. Once the Krum/LAv-Lav situation is resolved there will be nothing left to stop them from getting together.It would get kind of unbelievable if JKR dragged it out much longer. I see the wedding as the latest point in time for Ron and Hermione to get together. I mean, who could resist such a romantic setting with all the Love is in the Air. :love:

Apart from that, I still see no reason why JKR should wait with having Ron and Hermione getting together. It would not further the plot to have them apart, neither would it further character development. We have already had that in the first six books. I think it could strengthen them and as such make them even more valuable for Harry and the Horcrux hunt, when they are together. They would both get a confidence boost and the UT would not get into their way anymore. And we have seen in HBP with Tonks what unrequitited love can cause. A weakening of magical skills. And who would want that?


And it is not like Ron and Hermione haven't been there before, they have both been injured, on the brink of death, and still they allowed their fear to hold them back. That's why I think they should wait.I think the fear that held them back is resolved for the most part by the end of HBP. Before that, Ron and Hermione firstly had to come to terms with their own feelings and then they were very unsure whether the other felt the same. Now, I think, they know that the other has feelings for them. It just lacks the last small step. A small step for Ron and Hermione, a huge leap for HP readers. :lol:

Ron and Hermione both don't know how to handle their feelings for each other. Hermione sees it as something totally divorced from her strength--her intellect. Ron is just--a messed up adolescent. The events in the next book will--I suspect-- relegate everyone's love for each other to a minor matter. At least until they deal with Wohldemort.By the end of HBP, Ron and Hermione have come to terms with what they mean to each other. I don´t think they have any insecurities about their own feelings for the other any longer. There is only a very minor uncertainty left about whether the other one is willing to start a relationship. I don´t expect DH to be so prevalent with romance as HBP. The sixth was the book to deal with the shipping issues. The pairings are clear. What has to be done is just Ron and Hermione getting together and Harry and Ginny getting back together, but we won´t see much of their romantic relationship onpage.


Unresolved issues only serve to make the pain of loss even worse and lead to years of "what if" and "if only". Death is difficult in even the best of situations, but knowing that there was nothing left unresolved does help. The best advice I ever received came from my grandmother who was widowed at the tender age of 17 with two small children and one on the way. The biggest regret of her life was that she and my grandfather had argued before he left that day before he left and he was killed by a drunk driver on the way home. She never really got over that. She told me - "Every time your husband walks out the door, act like you'll never see him again - never put off saying I love you or letting him know how you feel - because, you never know - one day he might walk out that door and you never will see him again." Wonderful post, meesha. And a very wise advice of you grandmother´s. But tell me, how young was she when she married?

But it is true. I don´t think Ron and Hermione will die anyway, but they don´t know that of course. ;) They would think about how horrible it will be, when one of them dies and they never had time together, they had denied themselves a relationship waiting for a future that now would never come.
If he was real and we asked Harry, if he would prefer he never had the few weeks with Ginny, I am sure he would say no.

But it's so brilliant! I can't believe I didn't see it before! Obviously, Lavender is a descendant of Rowena Ravenclaw and the tacky Sweetheart necklace is a valuable family heirloom passed down for generations. They have the unknown Horcrux right under their nose! :err: May I post that theory over on the Horcrux thread? :lol:

Exactly, and it's worse on Hermione who could quite possibly have lost him already, and they hadn't been getting along at all. I cannot see them waiting until the end, it would just not make sense.

Version six is up (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=102268) :yuhup: