Formula 1 - 2007 Season

Jenson Button For the win.

Thought this was going to say "Will Jenson Button Ever Win a Grand Prix". Was just getting the "He already has mate" reply ready.

Anyway, I think it'll be him and Alonso for the title next year, Raikkonen's too inconsistant and the Mclarens haven't had a good car for ages.

Well Räikkönen is a good driver Mclaren just sucked. But now that Kimi will go to Ferrari he will win... Or the most likely scenario is that now that Kimi leaves, Mclaren cars start to work perfectly and Ferrari cars start to burst in flames before the second lap.

Made this a general F1 thread. Personally, I think it's going to come down to Kimi and Massa next season. Unless McLaren seriously gets their act together.

I don't know why Renault didn't bring over Bourdais. He's French and I think he's got what it takes to be a contender. Seems like a better match than the kid Whathisname.

Id like to see one of the slower teams like super aguri or spyker do well. Or at least score a point.

What about BMW-Sauber chances with new driver, namely Kubica?

Sauber won't be gunning for the title, they haven't got the money. One good driver doesn't make a team, unless you're Ferrari that is.

Sauber won't be gunning for the title, they haven't got the money. One good driver doesn't make a team, unless you're Ferrari that is.

True. Sad, though. Seems the abilities of a person are less valuable than the car performance. Soon, they won't need drivers at all, a good autopilot will do.:no:

Was looking at the new Williams at the motorbike show (Williams have just sponsored a scooter type thing to avoid confusion), and I've never managed to work out how one EARTH the drivers fit into the cockpit.

What's happening with that 'Toro Roso' team? (spanish for Red Bull ironically)
I reckon Kimi will win the championship again.

No idea with Toro Rosso, but Kimi's never won a World title. Now, if you mean Ferrari however...

I think williams are going to do well next season with their new engine. I think its from ferrari. Could be wrong.

arh what am I on about?.... Sorry, I meant Alonso will win it again! (it's been a long day!)

Ahh, that makes sense. I'd go for Alonso, Raikkonen and Button top 3.

Id like to see one of the slower teams like super aguri or spyker do well. Or at least score a point.

Well watch this space as they have now finally announced the signing of Antony Davidson and he really is a driver to be reckoned with. If they get to use the equivalent of this years Honda racing car then he will give Jenson a run for his money. We could be lucky enough to see 2 brits on the podium and hopefully on a regular basis. And judging by the pre season work that the lads from Brakley are putting there is a good chance that they will be competive :clap: :clap: :clap:

This will be Raikkonen's year, totally.

i hope raikkonen will win the championship title next year since he is with team ferrari...
mercedes mclaren, to me is a bit unreliable....
their cars always break down...:grumble:

True that any decent driver in a ferrari stands a good chance but please dont write off the likes of Jenson and Anthony all the pre season work they are currently doing is looking very very good.

And having spoken to one of the laminators from Mclaren last week they are hopefull of a big improvement next season although it could be wishfulll thinking.

The only thing for sure is that next season is going to be a lot more competitive now that Schumacher has gone and Alonso has jumpt ship.

I dont think weve seen the best of Kubica yet. He did really rell last year but i think, with the right team, he could go all the way to the top.

Why is this thread not at the top?

GP of Australia this weekend :D

OK, qualification for tomorrow:

Kimi Räikönnen (Ferrari)
Fernando Alonso (McLaren-Mercedes)
Nick Heidfeld (BMW)
Lewis Hamilton (McLaren-Mercedes)
Robert Kubica (BMW)
Giancarlo Fisichella (Renault)
Mark Webber (Red Bull-Renault)
Jarno Trulli (Toyota)
Ralf Schumacher (Toyota)
Takuma Sato (Super Aguri-Honda)
Anthony Davidson (Super Aguri-Honda)
Nico Rosberg (Williams-Toyota)
Heikki Kovalainen (Renault)
Jenson Button (Honda)
Alexander Wurz (Williams-Toyota)
Felipe Massa (Ferrari)
Rubens Barrichello (Honda)
Scott Speed (STR-Ferrari)
David Coulthard (Red Bull-Renault)
Vitantonia Liuzzi (STR-Ferrari)
Adrian Sutil (Spyker-Ferrari)
Christijan Albers (Spyker-Ferrari)Predictions and opinions?

My money's on Kimi but it's nice to see both McLaren's in the top five. Also some of the n00bz are looking strong - should be a good season.

I go for Alonso. Both McLaren look pretty strong.

I agree on the Noobs. (Alot btw). Either the machines are so good or the pilots have a lot of talent. It will be a good season.

Well there is a Dutch team this season, I can't say I have much faith in them.

But I think it will be either Alonso or Raikkonen.

Anyway, I think it'll be him and Alonso for the title next year, Raikkonen's too inconsistant and the Mclarens haven't had a good car for ages.

OK, I stand corrected on the Mclaren part - If an amateur (meaning no offence to Hamilton, but he is), can give the champion and the Ferraris a run for their money, the car's got to be somewhat decent.

As for Button - One of the worst paint jobs I've ever seen on a car. And as for the actual car itself, well, best not to comment I think...

glad that kimi has won the first race of the season....:love: :love:

mclaren is a team to watch out though, especially hamilton...first race in formula 1 and he won the third place...:tu:

both are in the top 3...awesome!!!!

Ferrari has won the first GP: come on Kimi. We must win this year. :rockon:

As for Button - One of the worst paint jobs I've ever seen on a car.

That paint job is horrific.

Ferrari has won the first GP: come on Kimi. We must win this year.

How are the Italians responding to Kimi, I know you guys adored Schumacher.

Hamilton! That kid is amazing. And I was so sad for Kubica who I love.

Well, Hamilton's certainly not a flash in the pan is he? He's been kicking Alonso's rear end in all race (figurativly at any rate).

I also stand corrected on Kimi - It's not every day you can get a 7 second lead on a Mclaren, even if you are driving a Ferrari.

glad that the boys from mclaren team won the first and second places in sepang,malaysia grand prix!!

I also stand corrected on Kimi - It's not every day you can get a 7 second lead on a Mclaren, even if you are driving a Ferrari.

I correct myself again. Going 20+ seconds back on your main rival for the title?! That's either great driving on Alonso's part, great driving on Anthony "Roadblock" Hamilton's part, or naff driving on Raikkonen's part.

Anthony's record this year:

Australia - 3rd
Malaysia - 2nd
Sepang - 1st?

Anybody watched the today's race? I watched the first few rounds.

Excellent performance from Hamilton (2nd place), for being a Rookie he's so good. :tu:

Hamilton is now officially the most successful rookie in F1 history apparently.

Three way tie at the top too, finally! A championship worth watching!

First season without Schumacher, and its got the making of the best one for a while! Hurrah! and an englishman is in with a shout! Double Hurrah!

Hamilton is now officially the most successful rookie in F1 history apparently.

ya...
he's already in the top 3 ...
awesome!!!:love:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl2pQfQRa5M&mode=related&search=

the guy managed to come out of that with only a broken leg!

What do you think?

Why this post it's so abandoned? It's the F1, i want to see the race in Turkey. This is my first F1 season, so its even more exciting for me:rockon:
I want Kimmi to make some good races, so he can fight for the title, it'll be hard, but he can, he deserves a title:p

Hope alonso doesn't wins, i dont like him:grumble:, i wont forgive him for saying that F1 is not a sport:grumble:

Hope alonso doesn't wins, i dont like him, i wont forgive him for saying that F1 is not a sport

Wait up. He said that? That's so lame!

I want Hamilton to win. It would so rock if he was World Champion as a rookie. I think Alonso should move to BMW and Kubica should get the McLaren ride. Kubica's a great driver.

Always having Hamilton on the podium starts to get boring IMO. I don't like to watch it when always the same persons win.

I just found this thread and I'm so glad I have because I like F1 so much !

'suppose that you have all watch the Turkish GP ?
Tenshi, I'm totally agree with you ! to see so often Hamilton on the podium... erk, it makes me sick ! He is great, even excellent, but I don't like him... So, that's why I was very happy sunday, even if I'd prefer to see Kimi first !
BTW, Heikki did a great race, I think! And yes, I support Renault, though this year they aren't the best... But still, I'm hopping for a podium this season...
Since they can't win the championships this year, I'd like to see Kimi or Alonso win the driver's championship. And for the constructors, it doesn't matter for me...

I'm, of course, a Ferrari's fan.

In the last two years I started to hate the Renault because of his manager (here in Italy we know him, Briatore is such a stupid person ..) and because of the Alonso's victories .. you know, here we all are Schumacher's fan and Alonso defeated him in the last two Championships.

But now, there's been the spy story and here we can't understend why McLaren is not still punished by the federation, even if there are so many proofs.

In this moment I just hope that in the next GPs McLaren's engines breaks many and many times, so Felipe and Kim can get closer to them ..

Go Kimi!!!

Who watch the race yesterday ? (Italian GP)
The start was great !
I think that now it will be very difficult for the Ferrari drivers to win the drivers chship! And for the constructor chship, the same, very difficult for Ferrari, unless Mclaren is disqualifyed (sp?) for the rest of the season...
Now, I hope that Alonso will finish in front of Lewis for the last 3 races !

Opinions on the latest (http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/070913194710.shtml)?

I'm glad they didn't take driver points. It would have been lame for Alonso and Hamilton to lose out over this. But man! Still hurts!

Just read about that - seems quite a harsh penalty, but the drivers were probably rightly spared. That seemed more organizational espionage than driver misdealings, although the immunity offer is still kind of shady in that it implies that the driver (I think it was Alonso who was mentioned in one article) knew about it and didn't say anything.

So, the McLaren is guilty. It's turned out that they cheated, and everyone knew .. Alonso and Hamilton as well. Well, is anyone here able to explain me the reason why just the McLaren's been punished? Why Alonso e Hamilton can still compete to the Driver Championship? That's ridicolous.

I enjoy watching Formula 1, Ferrari's always been my favourite team but I enjoy watching other drivers and teams as well. Do you guys know if there are any newsletters because I tend to miss the races. I believe there's one this weekend though in Belgium, am I right?

But what exactly did Hamilton and Alonso know? From what I understood it was ther ex-Ferrari guy who reached out to a director from McLaren so only a few people knew what was going on.

The pilots (allegedly Alonso and De La Rosa) gave the information they had when FIA asked them.

Also, if McLaren proves that they didn't use the Ferrari documents why should they be penalised so severly? Ferrari is about to win a championship without deserving it, at least let the hard-working McLaren pilots have a chance to win what the deserve.

Besanamo, you're right : the Belgian GP takes place this WE at Spa Fancorchamps. Friday practice 2 will began in a few minutes. Raikkonnen was the fastest in the first practice session this morning.

As for the Mclaren case, I think it's harsh for the Formula one in general. In any case, the constructor tittle would have been phony. With Mclaren's guilt, Ferrari will win the tittle, but not in the tracks. But if they weren't disqualifyed, there would always have a shadow over their tittle. I don't know if I'm explaining it right...
For the drivers, I'm happy they are not penalised since I want Alonso to be Championthis year, but I think that's a bit strange too.
But Ithink it's because Mclaren is guilty because they had in their possession Ferrari's confidential documents and that is assimilated with spying. BUT (maybe I'm wrong) there are no proof that they actually USED these documents...
Plus, the FIA promised immunity to the drivers if they participate to the investigation...

Anyway, Bad days for Formula 1... :no:

From what I understood it was ther ex-Ferrari guy who reached out to a director from McLaren so only a few people knew what was going on.



No, I understand that more people from Mclaren knew what was going on. For exemple, I think Mclaren's engineering director knew, and he discussed about it with Alonso and De la rosa (maybe Hamilton too). It was some datas about the set-ups and the strategy for the races...

I think it is a total shame what has happened in F1 . As a big fan I am totally shocked that Mclaren would get themselves involved in anything like this ! Now hopefully the drivers can now concentrate on fighting for the drivers championship . Go Lewis !

No, I understand that more people from Mclaren knew what was going on. For exemple, I think Mclaren's engineering director knew, and he discussed about it with Alonso and De la rosa (maybe Hamilton too). It was some datas about the set-ups and the strategy for the races...

I believe that engineering director was fired....The pilots already told what they know and FIA is yet to prove McLaren used Ferrari's data.

Anyaway I agree with you. The Constructor's championship this year is ruined, Ferrari won outside the tracks but if it was McLaren winning there would always be accusations and doubts. The only solution is find whoever is guilty and punish them severly to make sure this (or something similar) will not happen again.

So they took them all points away and gave them a million fine?
But when they punish McLaren, why not Ferrari as well? Both were involved.

So they took them all points away and gave them a million fine?
But when they punish McLaren, why not Ferrari as well? Both were involved.

Are you joking? McLaren used confidential Ferrari documents (there are the proofs: Alonso e-mailed De La Rosa and they spoke about these documents), they cheated, they've been winning the races for all this months because of they've been using Ferrari's projects .. and d'you want to punish Ferrari?

I think it's really strange that Alonso and Hamilton can still competing to the Championship ..

Well yes, they were the one who gave them the documents. It's not that they stole them. They shouldn't have done that.
And what does it help that much to know the protocolls? I doubt that they only won because of that.

Personally I think it would have sucked for the drivers to suffer because of a team call. It sounds to me like McLaren didn't actually use the Ferrari specs on their car, but I agree having the report was unsportsmanlike and unethical.

But from a fan point of view if Massa or Kimi won on a behind the scenes call like that I'd be ticked off. As a fan I want to see the races I watch count, and the results mean something. I don't want to see one person on the podium and another person get the points. It's confusing and frustrating.

Are you joking? McLaren used confidential Ferrari documents (there are the proofs: Alonso e-mailed De La Rosa and they spoke about these documents), they cheated, they've been winning the races for all this months because of they've been using Ferrari's projects .. and d'you want to punish Ferrari?

I think it's really strange that Alonso and Hamilton can still competing to the Championship ..

There's no proof McLaren used Ferrari's documents and anyway they were in front before all this scandall begun so it's unfair to say they have been winning beacause they had Ferrari's projects.

I think they should have taken drivers points as well. Alonso and Hamilton were both driving cars with stolen information. :no: Wonder where Alonso will go...he is rumored with Renault...as well as Ferrari. Massa was seen talking to toyota boys at Spa...ha...gotta love the silly season...yet it was all year in 2007!:tu:

So Hamilton's escaped punishment after the last grand prix for speeing up behind the safety car.

What do people think about this?

So Hamilton's escaped punishment after the last grand prix for speeing up behind the safety car.

What do people think about this?

I felt so angry that I just shook, for about three and a half seconds!

Personally I think it would have sucked for the drivers to suffer because of a team call. It sounds to me like McLaren didn't actually use the Ferrari specs on their car, but I agree having the report was unsportsmanlike and unethical.

But from a fan point of view if Massa or Kimi won on a behind the scenes call like that I'd be ticked off. As a fan I want to see the races I watch count, and the results mean something. I don't want to see one person on the podium and another person get the points. It's confusing and frustrating.

Rather than McLaren being punished it should have been the individuals involved with the actual spying that should have been punished i.e. banned from working in F1 for life. Apparently McLaren presented data that backed up their claims that they had not used the Ferrari data (they basically went through the development of the 2007 car to see if the Ferrari data had been used and then had somebody independent of the team go over the same data). It seems Max Mosley (otherwise known as Mad Max and President of the FIA) has it in for Ron Dennis. Mosley was the one who was pushing for Mclaren and the drivers to be excluded from this years championships, and the 2008 and 2009 seasons.

I'm actually quite disgusted with Max Mosley after his comments about Sir Jackie Stewart - http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one/2007/10/max-mosleys-att.html#more

Anyway the Brazilian Grand Prix should be a cracker!

I think they should have taken drivers points as well. Alonso and Hamilton were both driving cars with stolen information. :no:

They wouldn't do that, whether it was justified or not. Too many people would lose interest if the drivers AND constructors championship was a foregone conclusion. As it is, the public probably have more interest than usual this season - rookie driver going for the championship?? Totally unheard of. To go from that to people losing interest would not be in the FIA's best interest, and they couldn't punish Alonso without Hamilton too, so they both got away without punishment. That's my take on it.

It's not in Bernie Ecclestones interests to have had the Drivers championship decided by the FIA. He would have lost a lot of money, had Lewis and Alonso been kicked out. They've had one of the most explosive rivalries in F1 for a good number of years now (the last explosive one was between Senna and Prost back in the 80's). I think McLaren have been treated quite harshly seeing as Toyta only got a rap on the knuckles for stealing Ferrari information a few years back (the Toyota car looked extremely similar to the Ferrari's of the previous season i.e. the Ferrari F2003-GA).

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see you next year, mclaren cheaters

Wooooohooo! Finally! Way to go Räikkönen! I knew Hamilton's luck would have to end sooner or later :clap:

What a nail biter! I wanted Hamilton to take it but if he couldn't I'm glad it was Kimi. He really deserves to have a championship - he's a great driver.

It's too bad they had to take a home victory from Massa to get the job done though. I like Massa. I'm really glad he's got a longer contract with Ferrari.

It's not over yet. The Williams cars (conveniently in 5th and 6th ahead of Lewis in 7th) were investigated by the stewards for irregular fuel temperetures. The stewards bottled it, frankly, and so McLaren are appealing. Thus it's theoretical that Lewis could still win if the Williams cars are disqualified.

I hope it doesn't come to that. It's pretty lame in my opinion to take the championship away from someone over a technicality. Kimi's a great driver. I would have liked to see the rookie take it but I'd rather not see Kimi lose it.

yeeeeaaaaaaaaaaah raikonnen the winner i always had the hinch hell pul it off in the end
keep going raikonnen and ferrari.

Alonso is officially leaving McLaren. It will be interesting to see where he lands and who snags his seat.

Good riddance to him I say. Stupid idiot shouldn't have gotten stroppy when he realised he might actually have to work to win a race.

Eventually the decision is final: after an four hour long hearing yesterday the FIA today (Friday) did not disqualify any Williams car - Kimi Räikkönen is World Champion. :D

Good. It would have been really lame for them to change it now.

1 Räikkönen, Kimi (http://www.formel1.de/index.php/de/48/Teams+%26+Fahrer/grid_season/2007/driverID/582) 110
2 Hamilton, Lewis (http://www.formel1.de/index.php/de/48/Teams+%26+Fahrer/grid_season/2007/driverID/956) 109
3 Alonso, Fernando (http://www.formel1.de/index.php/de/48/Teams+%26+Fahrer/grid_season/2007/driverID/13) 109
4 Massa, Felipe (http://www.formel1.de/index.php/de/48/Teams+%26+Fahrer/grid_season/2007/driverID/466) 94
5 Heidfeld, Nick (http://www.formel1.de/index.php/de/48/Teams+%26+Fahrer/grid_season/2007/driverID/330) 61
6 Kubica, Robert (http://www.formel1.de/index.php/de/48/Teams+%26+Fahrer/grid_season/2007/driverID/916) 39
7 Kovalainen, Heikki (http://www.formel1.de/index.php/de/48/Teams+%26+Fahrer/grid_season/2007/driverID/901) 30
8 Fisichella, Giancarlo (http://www.formel1.de/index.php/de/48/Teams+%26+Fahrer/grid_season/2007/driverID/235) 21
9 Rosberg, Nico (http://www.formel1.de/index.php/de/48/Teams+%26+Fahrer/grid_season/2007/driverID/893) 20
10 Coulthard, David (http://www.formel1.de/index.php/de/48/Teams+%26+Fahrer/grid_season/2007/driverID/169) 14


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