The Second War...

[Morgoth]

So now the whole Wizarding World is aware that Voldemort is back amongst the living, how do you think it will pan out? We know the Dementors appear to have sided with him and there are no doubt more Death Eaters in waiting. What about the Giants? They appear to be warming to the Eaters, but of course, that could mean nothing. I do believe there will be a gathering of allies to either side in future books, but it's now our job to work out who will side with who?

What do you think?

[Weatherby]

I think it's going to be difficult for people not to choose. They'll try...
Lucius will undoubtly break out and cause discord with his fellow DE's.
Who will be under the imperius curse and who will act of their own free will?

I think some giants will come around. Just like the wizards it's not all together against one.

[Amina]

like hermione said, 'it's only just begun'.

i think dumbledore will gain immediate respect, and i think panic will ensue. i'm still not sure what fudge's reaction will be. obviously shock, but i wonder if he will be capable of handling the situation. was it just me that thought the safety pamphlets were funny? as if they could help...beureaucracy, don't you love it? obviously, they have to be seen as doing something, but i still found the idea faintly humourous. along similiar lines of cold war advice that, in an event of a nuclear bomb, hide under a desk/put a paper bag over your head.

[zent]

I seem to get the feeling that Hogwarts was built as a fortress. It has so many defensive charms that it seems to secure to have been designed simply as a school. Besides, the teachers at Hogwarts seem to be among the most powerful in the wizarding world.

It seems that Hogwarts was designed as a strategic outpost for this kind of situation.

[Hotmama2]

OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH ZENT!!! I'm glad I'm not the only one who picked up on that!!!! I always felt Hogwarts was a fortress......

[kalei63]

I think the dementors and the giants will play a very big role on Voldemort's part, however, I believe the house elves will rally behind Harry and the DA will be a formidable army....all this behind the Order of the Phoenix....that's going to be one awesome battle!

[bekki791]

I definately think that the DA will continue in the next book...now that the MOM does not have so much control over Hogwarts, it will be easier for Harry and the others to run DA. And I also think it very likely that they assist in thge fight against Voldemort in the future.

As for the house elves assisting the MOM and the Order, I had never considered it before, but it seems like a good idea. The only thing is, house elves that serve DEs or other dark wizards will not be willing to defy their masters in order to assist DD and Fudge. It would be very likely that house elves who belonged to dark wizards would assist Voldemort, and the rest would work for DD and Fudge.

House elves can also be spies, as the house elf Kreacher proved...I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more spying house elves in future books.

[feeniks]

Originally posted by zent (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=389815#post389815))
I seem to get the feeling that Hogwarts was built as a fortress. It has so many defensive charms that it seems to secure to have been designed simply as a school. Besides, the teachers at Hogwarts seem to be among the most powerful in the wizarding world.

It seems that Hogwarts was designed as a strategic outpost for this kind of situation.


I agree. :clappy:

[flibbertigibbet]

Ooh, I like this idea of all magical creatures who are involved in the war being split up into good and bad sides. Except maybe Dementors.. somehow I don't see there being such a thing as a "good' Dementor.

I think we'll have the Giants split up (Grawp will be on the Order's side, I'm sure), and the house elves as well. I'm not sure if the goblins would get involved in the war. They're mentioned a lot in every book, but they've never really done much...

[Picko]

I think that the giants will most probably side with Voldemort at least that seems to be where they are heading. I've got no idea about the Goblins, I suppose they will side with whomever can give them the best deal. I think Dumbledore will try and get the house-elves on side. Then of course we have the massive population of wizards, some choosing on their own, others against their wishes. It should be pretty interesting.

[mimbletonia]

I dunno, what about this war being 3-sided, as in Ministry, DE and Ootp, all fighting for power, not just between the Ootp and the DE like the last time.

[EvilRaven]

I agree with Zent... I see Hogwarts as the place where the final war will take place.

[Picko]

mimbletonia, the Ministry and the Order seem to be working in harmony now, there seems no reason to suggest that they would suddenly start working against each other now they've realised a common goal.

[Hpmons]

I think that OotP is no coming together with the MoM; but I doubt they will agree on everything.

Majority of Giant will side with Vol; but I think Grawp may play a more important part in future books. Dementors have sided with Voldermort, and the MoM will have to act quickly, to find out a way to guard Azkaban (but Im sure most DEs will have escaped by then...). Goblins...Will side with whoever offer the most rewards probably; they dont seem to give in to peer pressure, so they will side with either side.

I think there will be bands of other creatures helping both sides. I cant think of any at the moment...Mermen perhaps? Centaurs will stay out of the war...House elves...dont think they will play much of a part for the sides, but they may be useful.

I think the DA will grow larger. Possibly Dumbledore will even encourage other pupils to join it; and help the organisation.

[LewsTherin]

Well, I think Voldemort will get the Giants, Dementors, and any big, dangerous snakes on his side. Hogwarts will have the MoM and a lot of house elves. What I'm worried about are the Centaur. We know Firenze is okay, but the others seem to have become really hateful and malicious. That makes them a prime target for Voldemort's influence. If he gets them, there could be trouble. They seem to be ace archers, which makes them very dangerous, even to a wizard (as they said in WoT; "Channeling does not make us invincible. An arrow in the back can kill us just as easily as anyone else). I think the battleground will most likely be Hogwarts, as it must be Voldy's prime target. It will be easy for him to get there and surround the school (the Dark Forest surrounds it), but taking it will be another story. Perhaps we'll have a siege in the coming books?

Anyway, Hogwarts now has numerical superiority over Voldemort, what with the MoM joining them. I think Voldemort may well be at a disadvantage now, but with him, you never know.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Open battle doesn't seem to be Voldemort's style. He prefers secrecy, deception, and spreading discord among his enemies. I know the last chapter was titled "The Second War", but I have a hard time imagining a war, per se, in the style of Mordor attacking Minas Tirith. I would expect to see something more like the Cold War: lots of secret fights going on, which may or may not be evident to those who aren't involved.

The Ministry and the Order have the same disadvantages that all law-enforcement teams have: they have objectives which they must protect, places they have to be. Whereas Voldemort and the DE's have all (or most) of the initative. The Order and the MoM must try to protect everything, whereas the DE's can concentrate on what they want to do. Also, the MoM has to try to hide everything from the Muggles, while Voldemort couldn't care less whether they know or not.

[shadow fox]

Has anyone thought about the ghost? I for one believe the ghost who used to go to Slytheron will be on Voldies side and the ghost in the other houses will be on the Order's side. Oh yeah maybe Sirius will come back in the sixth and seventh book with Harry's parents to help Harry get out of real danger. Like J.K. said ''there will be no live Lili and James Potter" she never said anything about coming back as ghost. :) I hope this happens. Oh I'm not Shadow Fox I'm her sister Padfoot.

[Amy72]

What about Aragog? He's got a nifty little army there, and if you noticed, he was mentioned in the book. Just a passing thought. It might be nothing, then again it might not.

[Virtuousdream]

Yeah, he'll do anything for Hagrid, so would the threstrials and all the other billion creatures Hagrid's tamed over the years...

[Muggical Me]

Yeah, I'm really interested in how this war is going to be set up.. If the fighting is going to be out in the open or if it's going to be more hit and run, trying to whittle down the Order and Ministry's defences... Is there anyone else eager to see what Flitwick can really do? I remember the students hearing rumors of him being a dueling champion... I hope he's awesome.

[MadMagic]

I'm sure that the Death Eaters will be with Voldemort. And I bet that there is a mass break out from Azkaban and all the DE's in Azkaban are able to return to their Dark Lord.

I also see the Giants being with Voldemort. I don't think that Hagrid had a lot of success with them.

I don't know about the House Elves. Dobby loves Harry, but Dobby is weird. It seems that they are really loyal to their masters so I could see some on both sides. And the Goblins will go with whoever will give them more power.

And I bet Hogwarts will see some action. And hopefully Dumbledore's Army will be ready for it!

[zent]

The Weasleys' ingenius creations will surely be of some use. Spying, assasination, who knows?

The MOM will become a chessboard for both sides, and a sort of political battleground, while places like Hogwarts will be the real physical battlegrounds.

Maybe Charlie's work with dragons might be of some use in the war, too.

[animagus1369]

Who's going to side with who. Hmmmmm. I'm assuming here that the war will be a three-way war (that didn't sound too good, did it? lol), between Voldemort, the MoM, and the Order.

I think the old Wizarding families will be split down the middle, the former DEs and the pureblood-freaks will side with Voldemort and the 'normal' ones (like the Weasleys) will side with the Order. I can't see a huge faction of these people siding with the Ministry, unless the Ministry continues in its downward slide toward Voldemort's side of things.

For obvious reasons, Muggle-borns and half-bloods will be siding with the Order, unless they have death wishes.

Creatures/beings: Voldemort's side will get most of these. The only creatures/beings I can really see siding with the Order are the House Elfs, which could turn out to be darned valuable, as they live in the houses of many of the old Wizarding families. Hermione may need to start sending those hats by owl-post! LOL The centaurs are getting downright scary; but for Firenze, I don't see them siding with the Order (or anyone, for that matter). Giants to Voldemort, at least in book 6. Mermen to the Order, though what real help they'd be I don't know. Goblins to Voldemort (certainly not to the Ministry, at least), for Book 6. Trolls to Voldemort (and he's welcome to them). I can't think of any others at the moment.

[FawkesBox]

I agree and what about the centaurs? Will they remain neutral or side with anyone? Or will they form a fourth side. A unification of creatures and beings who rebel against human repression?

[Daveydee]

Original post by Sherlock Holmes

Open battle doesn't seem to be Voldemort's style. He prefers secrecy, deception, and spreading discord among his enemies. I know the last chapter was titled "The Second War", but I have a hard time imagining a war, per se, in the style of Mordor attacking Minas Tirith.

Excellent point, well made.

The idea of the massed ranks of two armies facing each other in pitched battle and exchanging unforgivable curses does not lend itself to the dynamic and style in which the books are written. 'The Second War' will be more of a war of attrition, involving few protagonists. Voldemort's focus has always been narrow - namely Harry Potter. Following the prophesy, revealed in OotP, Harry now realises that his focus must be equally narrow.

Ultimately, it will be a very personal war between these two.

[Wakkachuta]

House-elves: they will side with their masters
Giants and Dementors: they will side with Voldemort.
Goblins: will side with no-one
Centaurs: will side with no-one, except Firenze.

MoM: will of course side with the Order. Fudge will probably give Dumbledore a lot more slack, that's if he remains in office long enough.

[Mutant for Hire]

Originally posted by Daveydee (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=402912#post402912))
Excellent point, well made.

The idea of the massed ranks of two armies facing each other in pitched battle and exchanging unforgivable curses does not lend itself to the dynamic and style in which the books are written. 'The Second War' will be more of a war of attrition, involving few protagonists. Voldemort's focus has always been narrow - namely Harry Potter. Following the prophesy, revealed in OotP, Harry now realises that his focus must be equally narrow.

Ultimately, it will be a very personal war between these two.

I would not be surprised though to see a seige of Hogwarts itself at the end. Given all the recruiting of brute power, I can see the destruction of Hogwarts and Harry Potter as the opening salvo in a war. That would give an opportunity for Dumbledore's Army to take part in the final battle, along with the centaurs and even Gawp.

[Camo]

I agree with many here that the war will be planned out and not a whole bunch of duelling, but what is Voldy going to do next?

Is he going to continue to go after Harry or maybe set his sights on getting Dumbledore out of the way first.

Also, is the Order going to go onto the offensive and try to get rid of Voldy while he has no plan in place or are they going to sit back and continue to defend and prevent Voldy from getting what he wants?

[Riku]

Like others have said, I can't see an all out war happening. Or a siege of Hogwarts, unless Dumbledore, is for whatever reason no longer there.

I don't think the centaurs will go to either side, since "They don't serve Humans" thats why they tried to kill Firenze, because he went to work at the school. Same goes for the merpeople.

I think the majority of Giants will side with Voldemort. He can promise them a lot more than the MOM, or the order (Like they don't have to live cooped up in the mountains all the time).

Goblins, probably if they do go to any side it'll be who gives them the best deal.

House-elves, well they'll side with their master...

[PrtVeela]

I definatley don't think the centuars will chose sides, from what they have shown us in the books, they have no desire what so ever to get involved in human affiars.

I believe there may be some giants that go to Dumbledore's side and some that go to the dark side, just as it is with wizards, some of them may not have a choice.

I think the OoTP are going to have go on the offensive and make sure voldie won't get what he wants. I don't think that they will put every means twoards one thing or the other, but they need to keep monitor both carefully.

As the same with Voldemort, he will want to try and "attack" if you will from as many fronts as possible, so that's going to take planning and time. I don't think he will be hasty.

When Voldemort was in power the first time, he never went after Hogwart's did he? (well it's still there anyway) Then again Harry wasn't there the first time, soo pretty much all bets are off.

[Jessica]

I wonder how much JKR has been affected by 9.11.

We obviously don't know much about Voldemorts attack strategy last time, but the Death Eaters kind of remind me of Al Qaeda. You don't know who they are or when they will openly attack. They both wait in the shadows for the opportunity to cause maximum destruction.

And in both cases the government doesn't really know how to protect the public. I think it would be hilarious if Fudge came up with a color coded chart for risk of an attack by Voldemort.

[jerb]

Actually Voldemort's tactics would be like any non-governmental group that is violent. There is no real way to identify who is who.

I think your analogy is good. The MOM has no idea where the Death Eaters are, or who they are. Voldemort has the advantage, so his battles are going to wisely choosen. Very few survivors and everything that was supposed to be done accomplished. Well, at least that is how it will be planned.

[Mutant for Hire]

Something to bear in mind is that Voldemort doesn't always act in his self-interest. The fact of the matter is that he should have had the brains to kill Harry when he was just tied up and wandless. Which means to some extent that he will go on gestures that are not always the most logical just because he wants to have maximum impact or feels compelled to do them for some reason.

My feeling is that he's going to want to level Hogwarts for a bunch of personal reasons. It's not the most logical attack, but if he can pull it off, it will be very demoralizing to the wizarding community.

[Jessica]

I wonder if Voldemort will cause (or attempt to cause) a major catastrophe on the scale of 9/11.

Cornelius Fudge Minister of Magic Presents the color coded warning chart:

GREEN: Voldemort is dead. No worries. (Books 1 - 5)
BLUE: Voldemort may possibly be alive but I really don't think so.
YELLLOW: There is a slim chance that Voldemort is alive and is planning attacks.
ORANGE: You know, Voldemort may actually be alive and planning attacks.
RED: HOLY $H!T!!! VOLDEMORT IS ALIVE AND PLANNING ATTACKS. EVERYBODY RUN. I mean remain calm people, the MInistry and I have this matter well under control. If you need me I will be hiding out in my undisclosed location. (Books 6 and 7)

[SiriusSeverusFan]

What about werewolves, vampires, ect? I know they're basically wizards/witches too, but do you think there would be any sort of general preferred side for them? Would Voldemort use their 'condition' to his advantage and tell them if they join him, he can eventually provide a cure? Or would Lupin be able to help influence the werewolves, at least?

My Opinion:
I think Voldemort is likely to try and reach out to werewolves and vampires to make them side with him, but Lupin will be able to change the opinions of some of the werewolves (He was kind of visiting the werewolf in St. Mungo's when they went to visit Mr. Weasley, maybe this could be a foreshadowing that he's going to try to reach out to other werewolves and get them with the Order before they join Voldie?) and stop them from going with the DEs and Voldie.

I hope so...can you imagine Voldie coming out to fight Order members on a full moon night with a large pack of transformed werewolves behind him? If that's the case, we may as well consider everyone who turns up to fight against them as "soon-to-be-dealing-with-lycanthrope-themselves". And then Lupin could open a club called "WA"...Werewolves Anonymous.

[volkert]

OK.. this is my view on the second war:

My guess is we'll see a big war while studies at Hogwarts still go on... people will be clearly affected by it though, probably with a vital role for Harry... I see a fight in the outside world between the members of OotP (to some extent helped by the ministry) and the Death eaters. It'll be more guerilla like though than a true war, with raids on the other side by both fractions. My guess is actually that Voldemort will be on the winning side at the end, possibly (although it might be too much of a plot like the empire strikes back and I dont like star wars) killing Dumbledore in a raid in the final chapter, leaving Harry and the rest of us clueless as how this is ever gonna turn out right in book 7.

Meanwhile a small war between students will be going on at Hogwarts.. Draco might just start his own DLA (Dark Lord's Army or something similar) and we might see some struggles between them and the DA...

I think this is gonna be the background of book 6.. No clue what the actual plot will be about, but sounds like a reasonable background to me. What are your thoughts?

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[Mad I]

I think that Voldemort will try to take the Second war to Muggle areas so that there will be side-casualties, and this will also create distractions for the ministry as they will have to put extra effort towards keeping the consealment of the wizard world entact.

[Sirius83]

I also believe Voldemort will try to involve muggles, so the ministry has something else to worry about as well. While i do see a very personal war between Harry and Voldemort at the very end, it is my guess that somewhere in the middle of book 7 we will see an all out war on the Hogwarts grounds and for a while Voldemorts forces may even get inside the castle. I see this attack resulting in a lot of key character deaths. It is after this that we will see the personal showdown between Harry and Voldemort.

As for book 6, we will see who has sided with whom. It is my belief that in addition to the Dementors and Death Eaters, Voldemort will also have alliances with the Centaurs and Giants. The Goblins will probably remain neutral, but striking any deals where they can make a profit, no matter which side.

[brinkz10]

I think that Fudge will not be on Dumbledore's side at all......he has his "heliopaths" and therefore i think that he will try to conquer all but fail miserably

[hesdead-dealwithit]

I think the Second War, in Book 6, will be very one sided. It consist of small raids by the Death Eaters, with the Ministry in disarray and helpless. The Order will do a surprisingly bad job of combating Voldy (The only reason why they won the first war was Lily). Speaking of Voldy, his plot this book will be to get DD. DD always is Harry's protector and I think that Voldy realizes that he won't be able to kill Harry if DD is always putting sculptures in the way of his Avadas. The climax of the book will be Voldy killing DD and the book will be by far the most depressing of the first six. To the outside wizarding world it will seem as all is essentially lost, while Harry will probably learn from DD right before he dies what he has to do to defeat Voldy. This will set up a Book 7 in which Harry has to learn how to do this (if he thought Occlumency was hard, just wait) and will eventually kill Voldy with this in the end. Whether Harry dies also, or has to destroy his soul but not his body a la the Kiss to kill Voldy is not mine to choose. Either way, I think the overriding theme of Book 6 will be he's coming and we can't stop him while the theme of Book 7 will be he's coming but now we've got a way to stop him. What do you think?

[Fortescue]

Judging from our brief description of what life was like before Voldemort's attack on the Potter's, I predict that the whole wizarding community will be panic-stricken, nobody will know who's working for who, the Ministry will be in completely disarray, trying to hide everything from Muggles, etc. And then there'll be Hogwarts, away from it all, yet in the center of it all. Voldemort might have been quiet for one year, but now that everyone is aware of his return, he's going to go back to his power-hungry conquest. However, I think this time, the world is better prepared, thanks to the Order of the Phoenix and their efforts. I also think that Hogwarts is going to become something of a safe hiding place, like it served for the Stone in Book 1. Even if there are children of Death Eaters living in the school, it still is a very safe place, what with the teachers and Dumbledore around.

[Mad I]

I would have to disagree, I am hoping that the magical world will learn from its past mistakes and provide organization this time.

[Mad I]

oops, I meant agree

[Mad I]

I posted this somewhere else and it also pertains to this thread: I think that the final battle will not take place in the final chapter, but I do think that it will take place, obviously, in the seventh book. I think that the final battle will be similar to the ending of the movie Star War Attack of the Clones in that there will be a huge battle between good (the Order of the Phoenix and the Aurors) and evil (the Death Eaters), but a small group of the fighters will be cut off. This group will include Bellatrix, Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, and possibly one or two more from each side (Lupin, Hermione, a couple of Weasleys, either Malfoy, ect.). Eventually the others will become unable to fight (for whatever reason, I don't know) and it will be Dumbledore and Harry against Voldemort. Dumbledore will eventually sacrafice himself to better the efforts of Harry who will finally destroy Voldemort. The end. I also have a question, if Harry destroys Voldemort does that make Harry immortal??

[Masterfroggy]

Hermione on House elf's and SPEW
"Our long-term aims include changing the law about non-wand use," so in the past had House elf's used wands?
Crouch Jn on Winky

"My father had left the tent; he had gone to free the Muggles.
Winky was afraid to see me so angry. She used her own brand of magic to bind me to her.


To my mind this seems to point to a fact that House elf's have a magic that is as powerful as that used my wizards/witches, Harry was defended by Dobby in CoS Dobby can use magic to disapparate in a place where other wizard are prevented ie Hogwarts, Winky bound a powerful Wizard and prevented him from escaping.
And in and interview with JKR she said magic would be done by some one who is not a wizard

[Masterfroggy]

Sorry I forgot to put my point in my last post House elf's I think will be a great asset in the second war, to both side's. As in LOTR all the battle that will be fought in the next two books will be a distraction, nothing will be resolved until Harry meets The dark Lord. And I like others who have posted here and other places think that the battle over before the final chapter of the book,

[Arissya_00]

ooooh! Jessica, good point, and the Color-Code thing was hilarious!! Well, I think MoM is definitely going have to side with the Order, and the Wizarding Community will be united, except for those families of the DE's. Brinkz, do you really think there are heliopaths? They are just rumors from Loony Lovegood. :lol:

As for creatures, well, Dementors are obviously going to Voldemort. Giants, will probably be split up. Centaurs don't do services, neither do Mermen, and they can't help anyways because they are underwater, so its not likely they will be involved. Goblins mostly wants freedom, and I see Voldemort most likely are going to tempt them, but if the MoM work fast enough they can get Goblins to be on their side. And whoever brought this up, I thought it was a good point that many of Hagrid's creatures may be involved too, though unlikely. Ghosts or Ghouls, well, I don't see how they are much help. I think only Poltergeists like Peeves are able to move things, so unless they have some hidden power, I doubt they are of any use. Werewolves and Vampires may be involved too. Werewolves are wizards still, and unless it is the full moon, they are still regular people and will side most likely with the "good side". Vampires, as mentioned in GoF, are "Non-Wizards", so they are basically "creatures", and they haven't been mentioned so far, so maybe they will be involved.
Well, that was long, but that is what I think.:)

[magnus the man]

why waste time
when you can spend time wasted

[Mad I]

I hope that Hagrid's creatures are involve too but as of right now he isn't allowed into the forrest by the Centaurs so he is going to have a hard time organizing an army without entering the forrest.

[Aerian]

Hello,

This is my first time posting. I thought about starting a new thread on this subject but I found this thread which dealt with what I had been wanting to say. In reguards to the next two books, I have seen several messages on here that indicated that the Ministry will side with Dumbledore now that they know that Voldemort has returned. I have to disagree with this sediment. The Ministry for to long has been corrupted with people like Malfoy influencing Fudge and the other deals that have been made that will come to light. I believe that the Ministry will go the way of Vichy France during WWII. They will sell out to Voldemort. Not all of them will, some will join with Dumbledore. They may not join the OOTP but they will do their part. The Ministry will still make the same mistakes if not worse this time around because there really isn't to many in the Ministry who are strong enough to make tough descisions. They will become divided so much that Voldemort will make great headway in the Wizarding world. What do you think?? :huh:

[hesdead-dealwithit]

Could be, but I think that Book 5 was the "divided" book. Fudge's acknowledgement that LV had returned and the DA symbolized the end of that.

[RAC wEASLEY]

Many of you think that it will be a secret war, maybe, but I would prefer a big army of both sides, many cretaures, wizards and maybe muggles attacking each other, massive deaths (of non-impotant people and maybe little charchters like Susan Bones) and some major charachters also will die.
The centaurs will not ally with nobody and maybe will attack both, Voldemort and DD.
Most of the giants will go on V side, but with Grawp's help, DD will get some on his side.
Merman will go with DD, and house-elves with their masters.
Thestrals, Aragog and all his sons and daughters will go with DD as all of Hagrid's other creatures (remember JKR said that we will see more of Aragog) and even though it will sound strange the Weasley's Ford Anglia will ally DD (JKR also said we would see more about him too).
All the teachers logically will go with DD, as for the ghosts of Hogwarts (all, even the Bloody Braon and Peeves), and also the ghosts on Nick's party and Sir Patrick Delaney Podmore and all his club also.
Dementors will join V.
Maybe Charlie will get some dragons and DD will use then in the war.
Goblins will go with V, since they don't like Fudge, and remember the article on the Quibbler.
All the strange creatures Luna mentioned will be real and powerful and they will be an important part of the war.
Many werewolves (wizards that are werewolves) will go on V side, since he will give them rights, and vampiresmaybe they will go with DD, or maybe with V, I don't know.
Veelas, leprechauns and the students of Durmstarng and Beuaxkatons will join DD also.
Mostly alll the creatures will join DD, but some powerful ones will join V.

[RoddyPontner]

I wonder if one possible byproduct of the Second War would be an exodus of a significant part of the magical community from their homes to Hogwarts. Assuming that the war followed a similar, if not worse, pattern to that fthe irst time round, with sudden attacks and widespread panic, then one possible course of action for frightened witches and wizards would be to flee to Hogwarts, especially when not even the Ministry was secure from Voldemort. After all, when faced with the daily possibility of you or your loved ones being attacked, wouldn't it be a good idea to move to a safer place. Not only is Hogwarts protected by many powerful defensive spells, it can presumably accommodate hundreds of extra inhabitants, and, most importantly of all, is under the supervision of one of the most powerful wizards in the world. In addition there would be the added benefit, for those who were parents, of being close to their children.

From a plot point of view it would allow for an interesting change to the pattern of the story largely occurring in a solely academic environment, allow greater interaction between the students and adults other than teachers (a useful device in books whose characters are growing up and facing more adult situations), and offer new dangers to Harry and co with the possibility of infiltration/imperius curse by Death Eaters with a view to attacking Harry and/or Dumbledore. It would also be an interesting reversal of the evacuee situation in Britain at the start of the Second World War where it was the children who were evacuated from large concentrated targets (cities, especially London) to dispersed rural or northerly locations where they were thought to be in less danger from bombing raids. This time round it would be adults fleeing from dispersed rural locations (if, as it seems, witches and wizards prefer to live out in the country) to a single concentrated location that would undoubtedly be a main focus of attack.

Anyway, just a theory - what does everyone else think?

[chop]

Actually Voldemort's tactics would be like any non-governmental group that is violent. There is no real way to identify who is who.

I think your analogy is good. The MOM has no idea where the Death Eaters are, or who they are. Voldemort has the advantage, so his battles are going to wisely choosen. Very few survivors and everything that was supposed to be done accomplished. Well, at least that is how it will be planned.

In fact, after Harry return safe in Book 4 and the confirmation of his words in book 5, both the MOM adn the OotP know perfectly well who the DE are. Maybe they don't know where they are if they go into hiding now they have been discovered, but you can't say they don't know who they are.

Some interesting points relating to this are:

- How will Fudge act now he knows his friend Malfoy is a DE and knowing he has been lending important information directly to LV?
- How will DE sons act this year at Hogwarts, seeing the facts at the end of Book 5.
- Will Malfoy still a Prefect?
- Will Snape be able to continue as a Spy among the DE? If they go into a muggle rally will Snape kill muggles or mudbloods to save his cover story?

[chivwriter]

I believe this second war will be a war that encompasses not only the wizarding would but the magical world in general. Magical beings and creatures will definately be involved, after all Dumbledore talks about the magical world reaping what they have sowed, and this will not bode well if they do not change their ways.

Magical creatures I think will only be involved in the war if either of the to sides of the wizards put them to use for they are more animalistic in nature therefore they do not go to war unless drug into it by humans.

Magical beings I believe will get involved, which side will depend on the way each side treats them, but of course some will side with there natural allies such as the dementors. So I think the MoM and the wizarding world better start treating goblins, house elves, centaurs, giants, etc like equals and not treat them as inferior beasts.

I have this strange feeling that the centaurs dispite their feelings toward the wizarding world may end up involved in the war none the less. It may happen that Voldemort and his DEs attack or use the Forbidden Forest as a place to launch operations from, which the centaurs would see as an invasion of their land. Perhaps they tell the DEs to leave and they attack the centaurs killing one or more, I believe this would be enough to pull the centaurs into the war.

[darklord_grindelwald]

I agree, that Voldemort will attack Hogwarts. But before this happens, he has to kill Dumbledore, so he will know about the full prophecy. Maybe Voldemort will capture one member of the Order, or Trelawney.

[Discordia]

I think that this was is going to be like most wars. I think that when Rowling says war she means all out war. I don't think this is going to be some little guerilla war.

[mr.berts'n'botts]

hmmm i could see the goblins mayb joining the "good side"
mayb hermionie's long dream will come true as all the house elves get set
free as they fight against voldemort.
hah that sounds more like fan fiction but hah who knows

[Peeves32]

excessive a term for the situation. Maybe a battle would be a better term to use. But I don't think what has happened in the Potter Stories has ever escalated to the level of being called a war, at least not yet anyways. And what is with this "second war" thing? There hasn't been an initial war to speak of. Voldie was stopped at the Potter's house the first time by baby Harry. How is that a war? Anyway if the books do end with a showdown or even a "war" between Voldie's group and the Ministry, It would be the the first war, not the second, to be accurate.

[Epiphany]

I don't like the term "war". In a war, there are only losers. But I'm guessing JKR must have a good reason to be using it.

What I think might make her use that word is because there will be a lot of Innocent victims.

IMO, the Death Eaters will be doing the same thing they did the first time. They will be attacking from all sides, mostly Muggles and/or Muggle borns.

Just like last time, Voldemort won't do much except plan the attacks and sometimes go out to do a very important job. His main goal will of course be Harry.

The Order will probably try to prevent these attacks, and save as many people as possible. They will be trying to find Voldemort, but I think that this job will be more Dumbledore's(and Harry).

In the end it'll be coming to a one on one fight between Harry and Voldemort, that for sure(at least, in my mind lol).

[Epiphany]

I think the Death Eaters will be doing the same thing again except for one difference; they will have the giants and many other creatures aiding them. Now that was something we did not here about or have read happen in the past so far which is why I believe the first war had nothing to do with Voldemort's rein of terror but may pre-date it from when Salazar was around. Voldemort is trying to finish off the noble work of Salazar suggesting that he did something really big but was never allowed to finish it off. I think this time period is where the first war began and ended abruptly waiting for the next heir to finish off what he started in the second war.

Dobby did state that there where powers beyond those ever seen by Dumbledore and I think that is a warning. Now if the Death Eaters and Voldemort continue with the same power as they did when they where at there peak, Dumbledore would have seen all of that unknown power but he has not according to Dobby. It all suggests that Dumbledore and his Order have underestimated the powers that Voldemort could obtain and that alone put the Order at risk.

I think that, although I am not certain, the giants and the dementors were involved the first time. And they were by Voldemort's side. We aren't really sure yet how it all happened. We've read bits and pieces, but nothing clear and complete.

As for Voldemort's unknown power - I don't think it's more the fact that his hatred for everything muggle might be underestimated. Dumbledore doesn't have any powers related to hatred. It's a bit like the dark side of the force. DD is as, or more powerful than Voldemort, but he doesn't use the same magic.

It's not so much some power he will obtain - it's just a different type of magic.

I'm seeing the fight between Harry and Voldemort as a fight between Love and Hate...

[SilverStar]

I definatley don't think the centuars will chose sides, from what they have shown us in the books, they have no desire what so ever to get involved in human affiars.

I believe there may be some giants that go to Dumbledore's side and some that go to the dark side, just as it is with wizards, some of them may not have a choice.

I think the OoTP are going to have go on the offensive and make sure voldie won't get what he wants. I don't think that they will put every means twoards one thing or the other, but they need to keep monitor both carefully.

As the same with Voldemort, he will want to try and "attack" if you will from as many fronts as possible, so that's going to take planning and time. I don't think he will be hasty.

When Voldemort was in power the first time, he never went after Hogwart's did he? (well it's still there anyway) Then again Harry wasn't there the first time, soo pretty much all bets are off.

I think you're right. But Firenze will probably get tangled up in things (as he is already) thus sparking problems amongst the centaurs.

Hagrid said something in book 1; about Voldy : "he didn' try takin' the school jus' then" or something like that. I think that if something happens to DD there will definitely be an attack on Hogwarts. Think about it; not only is Harry there but there are so many mudbloods Voldy could get rid of...

[Epiphany]

I think that if something happens to DD there will definitely be an attack on Hogwarts. Think about it; not only is Harry there but there are so many mudbloods Voldy could get rid of...

You've said what I think - IF something bad happens to Dumbledore, the school will be in great danger. That's why I believe that indeed Dumbledore will leave us in the next book, so that there will be something big happening at Hogwarts.

[Pazarius]

I don't like the term "war".

A war simply means a sustained conflict between two separate groups. It is usually attributed to nations, but it is perfectly legitimate to use it for much smaller scale conflicts (i.e. 'gang war' etc).

What I think might make her use that word is because there will be a lot of Innocent victims.

I'm not sure why having loads of innocent victims makes it a war. Before the days of bombing cities from the air wars have been fought with virtually no civilian casualties.

Unless you mean she is using the term to impress upon us how terrible it is going to get? Possibly. She may just feel, as I do, that it is the correct word to describe the inevitable confrontation.

In a war, there are only losers.

Yes, if you consider that the cost in terms of lives lost outweighs any possible military objectives completed.

However, I would ask you to consider that you cannot have a lost a war if your situation after it is BETTER than what it would have been had you chosen not to fight.

Yes, many wizards will die fighting Voldemort. But in the long run, many more will die if he is not stopped. With Voldemort you have only two choices: war against him or surrender. Whatever the cost of winning the war, the cost of not waging it would be higher.

And what is with this "second war" thing? There hasn't been an initial war to speak of. Voldie was stopped at the Potter's house the first time by baby Harry. How is that a war?

Everything that happened from when Voldemort starting killing wizards to the defeat of him and his death eaters was the first war. A lot happened before the night Harry's Parents were killed...

Mrs. Weasley (OotP p161 Eng.): "... Last time we were outnumbered twenty to one by the death eaters and they were picking us off one by one ..."

And just before that Moody shows Harry a picture of the original Order of the Phoenix... 11 out 22 mentioned by name died (I counted the Longbottoms as dead, close enough...) during the first war. And the order was an elite group, many more witches and wizards, ministry officials would have died fighting Voldemort.

And if the twenty to one statistic is correct, that makes over 400 death eaters (For that to be correct it must include witches/wizards being controlled/bullied by Voldemort... the death eaters we know are his faithful 'inner circle'). Then there is Voldemorts non-human armies etc.

It could be characterised as a 'guerrilla war' rather than an all-out one; battles were fought between a small number of wizards. Voldemort's tactic was to target individual wizards (and their families) for death who were causing him problems, spreading fear and deterring other individual wizards from defying him.

[fleur magique]

I actually think that the Goblins will side with Dumbledore. In OotP Mr. Weasley says that the goblins have suffered losses too because of Voldemort. So if they have suffered as well then why would they want to side with the person who did that. Most of the house elves I think will side with DD also while the ones belonging to dark wizard families will obey them and side with Voldy.

However what about the centaurs(sp). Do you think that they will take sides or just stay to themselves. I know that they don't like to get involved it wizard's business, but Voldy destroying the whole world concerns them too.

I also think that DD will die before the end, possibly in book 6. In GoF at the end Hagrid says something that sort of made me think about it. He tells the trio that as long as DD is around everything will be alright, as long as they have DD he's not going to worry. Or something along those lines, I can't remember the exact quote. So this got me thingking that DD isn't going to make it to the end, so therefor things aren't going to go so great for them in book 6.

[Prometheus]

This might have been said before (I havent read the whole thread) but I feel sure Hagrid will be a very important factor in the second war. I mean he has Grawp on his side, Aragog (and don't forget that army of spiders- I am sure that must be important). And I also have a feeling Norbert might make a re-appearence, as he has been mentioned in every book, and dragons have certainly been a recurring theme throughout the stories- even the Hogwarts motto is about dragons.

Hagrid has been up against prejudice his whole life; I see this second war as his chance to really prove himself, and I think he will become something of a hero... maybe even recieve an Order of Merlin or something.

[PhineasNigellus]

^^Greetings to my fellow Brisbanian!

I agree that Hagrid will be a big factor in the war, particuarly if some of it is at Hogwarts. Lets not forget that Hagrid is the person who knows the Forbidden Forest better than anyone else, and that creatures such as the centaurs (up until Firenze left, anyway) and Aragog have deep respect for him, but not so much for other wizards. Venturing into the forest is dangerous enough, but if most/all of the creatures in there were aligned with Hagrid, it would be especially dangerous for any Death Eaters.

[Neddser]

I have just finished OotP did anyone notice that although Dumbldedore looked strong and powerful in the ministry when he battled the DE's when he got back to Harry he looked old and weary, I think that this struggle could be one too many for Dumbledore and he will be the main target of Voldemorts next attack (get those close to Harry 1st) as regards sides house elves are held in high regard by Dumbledore but are bound by elven magic to obey their masters, so each to their own on that front. The giants will be split because they do not all follow the new Gurg? Golgomouth thats if he hasn't killed them all. The Goblins could go either way remember Fudge allowed some goblin assinations that might not go down too well, Vampires, werewolves, those Fire thingy's in the ministry and the centaurs who despise all humans at the minute. It is all going to boil down to one battle though Voldemort and Harry .
'So' said harry, dredging up the words from what he felt like a deep well of despair inside him 'so does that mean that....that one of us has to kill the other one...in the end?'
'Yes' said Dumbledore.

[Prometheus]

I have just finished OotP did anyone notice that although Dumbldedore looked strong and powerful in the ministry when he battled the DE's when he got back to Harry he looked old and weary, I think that this struggle could be one too many for Dumbledore and he will be the main target of Voldemorts next attack (get those close to Harry 1st) [/B]

That's a really good point. Has Dumbledore been known to look old and weary before? It's just that this reminds me of Yoda's fight in Episode II, how he fights really well and is then back to his old and weary self again... maybe Dumbledore is like that? Though he has always seemed really energetic hasn't he, so I think you might be right on that one.

[Erebus]

I think Dumbledore will eventually be destroyed by Voldemort, giving Harry the strength he needs to retaliate against Voldy. But first i wanna see Harry get trained up by Dumbledore and or McGonogall.

[Jade Evans]

Hmm, Dumbledore is probably planning something, some intricate and powerful plan to be carried out to protect the school if he dies. I hope that's what's gonna happen, Dumbledore leaving with a big bang.

[MrsSiriusBlack]

I wrote on another thread, I think in the "Who will die in book 6" thread, that I think Dumbledore is going to die, and probably at the end of book 6. This will leave Hogwarts open for Voldemort's taking. I definitely think there will be some kind of fight involving the school. That would end the series in such a cool way...

What about foreign wizards? I think Krum will be on the good side, but what about the rest of Karkaroff's students and ex-students? Will the Beauxbatons students join? The impression I got about the first war was that it really only involved England, it wasn't a world-wide wizard conflict. Voldemort just doens't have that many Death Eaters. So why should the foreign wizards and witches get involved anyway?

I don't really see the house elves joining the cause. They are all bound as servants to their masters, and I just don't see a bunch of people letting their elves out to do magic.

[Prometheus]

I don't really see the house elves joining the cause. They are all bound as servants to their masters, and I just don't see a bunch of people letting their elves out to do magic.

Hmmm... I think the house elves will play a part, to be honest. I mean, SPEW has been a big part of the last two books, maybe something will happen whereby the new Minister of Magic will be sympathetic to Hermione's cause, and pass legislation setting house elves free? Well maybe it wont go that far...but I do think the house elves and SPEW will be an important factor in the upcoming books.