Characters' Patronuses

[mimbletonia]

I have a vague feeling that the fact that Hermione's patronus is an otter will be a clue to future books... I mean, JKR won't just put in trivial facts, they are usually clues for future use...

[dumbleedore]

I was thinking that too... But what could an Otter come from? *starts madly researching Otters*

[hybrid]

THE OTTER OF THE PHOENIX!!!

lol, no... but i think it is significant in some way, dont patronuses usually represesnt their owners? maybe it has some siginificance to hermione's personal life

[Wagga Werewolf]

I am sure I remember someone asking JKR in an interview what form her own Patronus might take, and I think she said an otter... She's always said Hermione is like her, and I think this is just another confirmation of that

[rotsiepots]

Otters as JKR's favourite animal, she said so in this (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/quickquotes/articles/2000/1000-scholastic-chat.htm) chat transcript:

Question: If you were Animagus, what kind of animal would you be?
JKR: I'd like to be an otter - that's my favourite animal. It would be depressing if I turned out to be a slug or something.

Hope this helps. :)

[Wagga Werewolf]

Well my memory was half right - I knew she'd said something about otters!! Thanks Rosiepots, very fast find

[dumbleedore]

Originally posted by hybrid (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=387743#post387743))
THE OTTER OF THE PHOENIX!!!


:rotfl:

I was thinking more of 'Harry Otter'...

Currently doing a google search, just in cause...

EDIT: Just found this...

What are the behavioral traits of the otter?

Otters are principally nocturnal animals although they may be active during the daytime, usually from dawn to mid morning. They are intelligent, shy, gregarious animals and are loyal to each other, but can be strong and capable fighters. These animals seem to communicate by uttering low chuckles, chirps, purring grunts, growls, shrill hissing barks and screams. Otters are graceful and excellent swimmers, normally paddling with their hind feet but can also swim by twisting and writhing their bodies and tails.

thanks to http://www.nhnature.org/river_otters.htm

[Reaver]

Hmm...well all those bolded points are traits of Hermione, except for shy... :D

[mimbletonia]

cool... i must have missed the interview about the otter part...

what about cho's swan?

[anumati]

Hem hem,

According to my research...

Swan -- Grace, balance, innocence (thats Cho alright - think Quidditch)
Otter -- Laughter, curiosity, mischievous. Otter is a feminine power, and the symbol of grace and empathy.

[potterfreak24]

Did Ron have a patronus....if he didnt I cant remember what his was?

[anumati]

Hem hem,

No, I don't believe JKR talked about Ron's patronus. Funny thought... think Malfoy's would be a ferret?

[wolfie]

Originally posted by anumati (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=388166#post388166))
Hem hem,

No, I don't believe JKR talked about Ron's patronus. Funny thought... think Malfoy's would be a ferret?


Oh, that'd be funny! :lol:

Did she mention Neville's? (I don't know what chapter it's in otherwise I'd look it up) I hope that his was something really powerful, not like a toad or something.

[MadMagic]

I doubt everone's patronus took a shape, as apparantly it is a very difficult charm to master.

And I have no insites as to why Hermione's was an otter. I guess it could be significant in later books though. Or it could be just a tidbit JK threw in for fun, as it is her favorite animal.

[mrpink]

I think everybody's patronus will be significant later, including those who aren't mentioned. Also, the fact that Neville couldn't manage it ( I have just looked it up) may also come up later on.

[mimbletonia]

Hm...

does the shape or animal form of the patronus depends on the owner's choice (like one can decide what patronus he wants when he/she starts learning)? or is it an inbuilt thing just waiting to show up?

also, when a person turns animagi, does he decide what animal he wants to be?



p.s. lucius's patronus, no doubt will be a snake, though he will not need it since they are on friendly terms with dementors, draco, maybe a smaller snake?

[sierra_sand]

I htink she just let Hermione's Patronus be an otter becuase its her favorite animal. She just wanted to throw an otter in somewhere. I thought it was pretty cute.

[GryffindorSeeker]

Yeah, it was. When I saw that part I just laughed, because i was remembering when Jo said that in that interveiw.

[Andora]

I don't think one decides what their patronus is, I just think it happens because of who you are, at the core of your personality. I don't think Harry choose a stag, but because he's a lot like his father, it happens to be one just like James' was.

I also don't think you can choose what animal you change into if you're an animagi, although it would be convenient, again I think it has to do with your character and your choices. Which are two things Rowling is always trying to emphasize throughout the books.

Character has a lot to do with everything. And I think Hermione's patronus is funny, because I honestly cannot imagine an otter running down a bunch of dementors like Harry's stag, but I bet Rowling really wanted her to have it be one. Otters are sweet anyway :)

[Marcy]

Im sure that it will come to be significant later.

Do otters have large front teeth? {lol}

[GryffindorSeeker]

Hermione doesn't have large front teeth anymore, they shrunk, well okay, madam pomfrey shrunk 'em for her!

[Jaenelle]

In doing a bit of browsing on the mythological stories about animals, I found some interesting facts.
Otter: In Norse mythology, the otter is a shapechanger. Their task is to learn the mastery of manifesting what is visualized in the mind. The otter is also used as a guide in other legends.
Swan: Swans represent purity. Overall, swans do not end up very happy, there tends to be a lot of death attached to them (i.e. Swan Lake). They are also enemies of snakes.
As an aside, I also looked up Stag: The stag is very prominent in myths. It is favored animal of the Greek goddess Artemis (twin of Apollo) and associated with Lugh in the Welsh (Sun/War god). I found a reference a legend of a hunt where the Stag (who holds the sun in his antlers) is pursued and killed by the Great Hunter (Orion) and killed at midwinter allowing the sun to be released and Spring to come. Also the stag is the enemy of snakes.

[Scoundrel]

An interesting fact about Swans, though, and perhaps a hidden character trait of Cho's:

Swans, while beautiful, and graceful and symbolic of purity, are surprisingly, frighteningly strong, capable of crushing a grown man to death with their wings at maturity.

[dumbleedore]

I really think we've seen all of Cho as a major charecter...

[Capella]

I'm having problems picturing an otter headbutting a Dementor a la Harry's stag in the alley... :D
I suppose it would depend on how big patronuses are? Are they life-size? Or are they huge exaggerations of life?

[Remus"Moony"Lupin]

I don't really think it matters on how large the animal that the Patronus takes the form of is. I think it matters on how powerful the user's happy thought is...So any animal would probably be able to run down a dementor.

[Mandragora]

A little reality check on swans, if you please... because I live near a nature preserve and have never, ever, met a nice swan. They will let you look at them from afar, maybe even toss them some feed, but if you come too close they attack you, and chase you around untill you cry. They seem to enjoy beating up the Canadian Geese as well. I found it very appropriet that Cho's patronous was a swan, because she was fine one minute, the next she was biting Harry's head off!
As for Hermione's otter...maby they will have a water adventure in the next book? I don't know.

[SethEvil]

The fact that Neville was so good at learning DADA from Harry I believe is due to what happened to his parents. Also I believe it will be important later since Neville played a large role in the Depratment of Mysteries scene.

[Dedalus Diggle]

Maybe the otter is also a sly allusion: saying she is an 'ottery' sort of person, as in Ottery-St.Catchpole (where I think she's headed at the end of Book 7).

[Fleur]

I thought it was interesting that hers was an otter. Since JKR said once that she based Hermione's character on herself, and since she wanted to be an animagus, the natural choice was an otter. I did not know that otters were a feminine deiety thing. Then the otter makes even more sense. I wish they told us what the other student's patronuses looked like.

[bubblesofdeath88]

SO we know that Harry has a stag, and Cho has a swan. And according to the info up there^ they are both enemys of snakes. Would there be some sort of patronus fight is somebody's was a snake?

We know that Seamus supposedly almost produced one that was hairy. Neville was trying very hard, but hadn't managed it yet.

[Eruanna]

hmm....slytherin..snake...maybe ok..i don;t actually have a clue where i'm leadeing with all this....i just thought slytherin cos of the snake thing...

[Mander]

where did you guys read that Hermione's Patronus was an otter?


* cries* I must have missed something in the bok.*cries again*

[Raven]

Its in the chapter called, "The Centaur and the Sneak".

[Amadeus]

well... I may but on the other hand, it may not be... I can't think of anything that would make an otter significant to Hermione...

[snitch14]

i was actually rather surprised at the otter appearance. i'd think it would be something more like a cat or a fox... :sorry:

[DaN+EmMa]

maybe hermione will become an Animagus of an otter later on?

[snitch14]

but...why an otter?? of all animals... o.O

[bubblesofdeath88]

I think that JKR said that none of the main 3 would become animagi.

[Rowena Ravenclaw]

Otters are comfortable both on land and in the water. I think that suits Hermione; she's capable of functioning in both the Muggle world and the wizarding one.

[GaryGag]

Look, JKR just likes otters, so she worked them inot the story as Hermione's patronus. Doesn't always have to be deep or meaningful, does it?

[wendelin the weird]

I had always thought otters were asociated (forgive my spelling) with being playful, as swans with being beautiful, and stags with being noble creatures. However, playful is not exactly the way I would describe hermione

[snitch14]

but the land and water remark is suitable for hermione

[Drusilla]

I agree with the Ottery St. Catchpole thing! Brilliant if it's true,and even if it isn't,I like that Hermione's Patronus fit in so well with her personality.

[Prof.Aze]

I think i remember Hermione telling about Otter. I think it was her Patronus or her being an animagus. I can't really remember but i really remember her talking about otters.

[I <3 Ron]

Originally posted by Scoundrel (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=388874#post388874))
An interesting fact about Swans, though, and perhaps a hidden character trait of Cho's:

Swans, while beautiful, and graceful and symbolic of purity, are surprisingly, frighteningly strong, capable of crushing a grown man to death with their wings at maturity.


....hopefully Cho won't be doing any man crushing...:bite:

[FredRocksMySocks]

JRK said that her fave animal was an otter, and hermione was one of her fave characters (lightly based on herself) so i think that's the biggest connection you're gonna find, really...

[Turambar]

Someone mentioned about Hermione and Cho having a water adventure. They've already had one in GOF with the Lake Task.
And otters are related to weasles (Weasleys) aren't they?

[Aziraphale]

I really don't think everything JKR writes has a deeper meaning! It's just what we make of it most of the time. When I was writing stories, I didn't exactly know what was going to happen in details before hand, until I wrote it down, it's hard to explain really. Of course when you start you have the big lines, but most of the details slip in [excuse me for my weird english, it's not my native] .

About the otter, it's JKR's fave animal, otters are very very clever and hyper [from what's I've seen in the zoo]. That's about the most you'll know I'm afraid, otters do love water but they also like land, so the connection of a water-adventure is far-fetched to me.

Animagus, I don't think you can choose before hand, because Animagus can only turn into one animal, if they can choose they could turn into any animal all the time, I guess.

[Neila Weiss]

Small note about swans - I noted (after rereading the book, I rushed through it first round sillyme) that at one point JK describes Fawkes as being 'swan' like. Has she done this in any of the past books? It just seems strange that of all animals she could pick a swan for that particular description.

[Euthrel]

Haha... I do not think that Hermione´s Patronus will matter...

May I ask you how you got the idea? =) Quite curious and I can always change my mind if I get a good argument..

[LionHeart14]

What is "Ottery St. Catchpole" ??

And just becuase my mind is drawing a blank, what are the mascots for Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw?

[kfingers]

Off the point. I don't know why, maybe it is because Harry has had a crush on her for so long, but I really like Cho as a character. It reminds me of James and Lily b/c James liked lily for a long time before they were able to make it work. Ginny and Hermione don't really do it for me as love interests. But the swan and the stag, that has some potential for a killer combo. Just thought I should say it.

[snitch14]

Hufflepuff - badger
Ravenclaw - raven


cho is definately out of the picture now. harry that she wasn't as perfect as he had imagined

[Aspera Black]

I was wondering what kind of Patronus Ron would have, maybe a tiny little annoying owl? Just a thought. :)

But I had this lovely image of an otter chasing away a dementor, flopping through the air as if it were on land... But from what everyone else has written, even if JK only meant Hermione to have the otter just because it was her favorite animal, I still think it's a pretty cool coincidence how much an otter fits Hermione in the first place.

[jordmundt6]

Okay, here we go. JK has stated that her favorite animal is an otter and that, were she an Animagus, she would want her animal form to be an otter. She marks characters she likes with that pleasant association (the Weasleys live just outside the village of Ottery St. Catchpole). With Hermione, however, she seems to be raising the stakes. Not only is Hermione's Patronus an Otter (JK has previously stated that she remembers herself being something like Hermione, studious, careful of rules, rather bossy), but she seems to be blessed with insight into characters (Cho, Harry, Ron, Ginny) and situations (Voldemort setting Harry up because of his "hero complex") that mirror JK's own. Now, a lot of R/Hr shippers may try to make hay of the otter connection, but I think it's symptomatic and emblematic of something else.

[Drusilla]

I think a Patronus,being a projection of positive feelings in the person invoking it,isn't something anyone gets to choose,it just manifests itself according to the way you are.But I did get a smile out of that part,remembering Tarka the Otter....I wonder if JKR ever watched that?

[greeneyes]

harrys patronus is a stag because of his dad being able to change into a stag. hermiones patronus is an otter! what significance is that?

amy :D

[LunaRocks]

hmmmm interesting point!

maybe she just likes otters!!

otters are clever and playful maybethats how she wants others to see her??

Cho's patronus was a swan, wonder what that means?

[morgan le fay]

hmm..... thats a good question... in nature, otters are very playful and pretty smart. i dont think it is a huge deal, but im sure there is some small significance. what else do otters represent? o_O

[Hammi]

Swans are always beautiful and graceful, maybe thats the significance with cho?

[misspadfoot15]

I read in an interview that JK's favorite animal is an otter and thats why she gave Hermione that particular patronus but who knows!

[JenJen]

I thought I read somewhere that otters are JKR's favorite animal, and that's why she threw that in there...I'm not exactly sure, though.

[Bee]

Yeah, misspadfoot15 and JenJen have got it. JKRs favourite animal is an otter and since Hermione is an exaggerated version of her when she was younger, that's why Hermiones patronus is an otter :).

[Woo]

I read in an interview that JK's favorite animal is an otter and thats why she gave Hermione that particular patronus but who knows!

Yeah, I think I remember reading that somewhere too. JKR has always said that she thinks she most like Hermione when she was younger.

[silver ink pot]

I'm glad you brought this up, greeneyes!

First, I find this interesting because the Weasleys live in Ottery St. Catchpole, and so do the Diggorys and Lovegoods.;)

Otters are known for their playfulness, and I guess you could say that they can get out of "slippery" situations.:agree:

I have to say that as a child I read the Wind in the Willows, and Mr. Otter was one of the most intelligent and best characters!


I found this website that talks about Otters and lots of other animals in Celtic mythology:

http://www.joellessacredgrove.com/Celtic/animalallies.html

"Otter (Cù-dubh or Dòbhran): These animals were considered very magickal by the Celts. During the voyages of Maelduine, Brendan and others, these traveling Celts were met by helpful otters. The otter is a strong protector who helps with gaining wisdom, finding inner treasures or valuable talents, faithfulness, and the ability to recover from any crisis. Enjoy life instead of just enduring it."


Here is another, the stag, since that is Harry's and alot of people might be interested:

"Deer (Fiadh) or Stag (Sailetheach, Damh): In its form of the White Doe or White Stag, the deer was often a messenger and guide from the Otherworlds. Following such an animal led the unsuspecting human into contact with supernatural beings. The antlered headdress of Cernunnos may have been copied by Celtic shamans as apparel in their rituals. THe deer represents keen scent, grace swiftness, and gentleness. There are ways of reaching your goals other than force."

That last line is significant, I think!

And here is the swan, Cho's patronus:

"Swan (Eala): A mystical bird who figures in several Celtic stories. Its feathers were often used in the ritual cloak of the Bards. Swans are connected with music and song. Swans also help with the interpretation of dream symbols, transitions, and spiritual evolution."

[cruplover]

But does the size and type of patronus matter? I seem to recall that during the OWLs, part of the tester's awe was that Harry's patronus was both clear AND such a strong animal. So, is it significant that Hermione's patronus is a "little" otter?

[greeneyes]

thats a good point cruplover! the most an otter can to is nip the heels of a dementor! lol! nah..mayb size doesnt matter, mayb the presence of a patronus is enough to get rid of a dementor.

amy :D

[Auror Williamson]

It is my understanding that Hermione's otter represented her intelligence and wit.

Cho's swan was evidently very important because the swan is a very powerful symbol and appears in many ancient myths.

[FreyaCrescent]

Interesting research, silver ink pot!

I really don't think the size of the Patronus matters, they'll still protect you against a Dementor attack. I just wonder if an Otter Patronus would repel a hundred Dementors, like Harry's did in PoA.

It is quite fitting that Hermione's Patronus is an otter.

[The Quibbler]

I always thought that a witche's or wizard's patronus represented their personnality. That would be why Hermione has an otter, because as most of you said they are an intelligent and playful animal. I also think that a swan is a very good representation of Cho's personality. Harry's patronus is a stag probably mostly because he is so much like his father and his father was able to transform into a stag.

About Harry's partonus though, well actually this may be nothing, but do you think that it will sometimes be a stag and sometimes a big black dog? Now that Sirius is dead, Harry might be thinking so much about his lost godfather that maybe his patronus will be able to take on both forms, depending on how he is feeling, and what he is thinking? What do you guys (or girls) think?

[FredRocksMySocks]

Well, didn't JKR kind of model Hermione after herself at that age? It seems only natural that JKR's favorite animal would show up somewhere in the series. And as otters are not native to the Hogwarts lake, she brought in that little aspect of herself and Hermione's connection very well and inconspicuous.

I don't think Harry's patronus will change. Yes, Sirius Black was important to him, but his father is his father and he will always be #1. Harry has other ways of remembering Black, his father is the ultimate protector and it's the ultimate honor to have your son use you as such. I think it will remain as it is.

[Hazelnutt1230]

If Ron learns how to produce a patronous, what do you think it will be?....should I start a thread on this??

[silver ink pot]

Quibbler: I'm not sure about this, but can a Patronus change?

This opens up alot of questions.

As Harry learns more about his Father, will he gain a "mature" Patronus? We have been told that even some adult wizards have trouble making one.

I can't decide . . . . Hmmmmmm. :rolleyes:

[sindatur]

Hermione's Bravery and Loyalty put her in Gryffindor. Her intelligence, since it did not put her in Raveclaw, had to show up somewhere, therefore it showed up in her Patronus as the Otter.

I don't think Harry's Patronus will change to adapt for Sirius as a memorial.

That does bring up a good point, say someone is a very loving, caring person (IE: Mother Teresa), and there Patronus reflected that, what would happen if that person suddenly became the darkest cruelest person alive (IE: Voldemort), would there Patronus become something darker to relect their new darker personality?

[Fairydust]

I think the otter has to do with her personality, but it could also be a subtle hint of Ron and Hermione. I know this may be stretching it but he does live on Ottery st. catchpole.

[Sirius83]

As long as we're stretching, what about Otter is Potter without the p? "Potter" makes more sense than "Ottery St. Catchpole".

If you guys really need to know, Otters are JKR's favorite animals and she modeled Hermione after herself.

[Fairydust]

I'm pretty sure we know that. JK has said in a few interviews that Hermione is like herself only more clever. I said I was stretching it with the ottery st catchpole. the shipper in me just came out. don't get angry or anything. :p

[Sirius83]

Long as i also get to use the shipper in me and use Otter = Potter :p

[Perdita]

Hi Everyone,

There is already a thread discussing Hermione and her patronus, the history, the mythology and the shipping implications as well. You can find it here: Hermione's Patronus by Mimbletonia (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=11249&highlight=patronus+hermione+cho) .

Before you start a thread, do a search using the button at the top right hand corner of your page. Someone else may already have started a thread on it, and you might find some interesting info in the older threads.

A moderator will likely close this thread soon.

[hesdead-dealwithit]

If anyone's wondering, the reason why otters are considered so intelligent is that they are one of few animals to use tools - they use rocks to crack open mussel type things. But how does the playfulness of otters transfer to Hermione? She's so serious!

About Voldemort, I'm not sure if he even CAN make a patronus. I bet he has other ways of controlling the dementors, and the patronus seems to happy and full of love for him.

[Manyasha]

FYI, I merged the two threads.:)

[The Quibbler]

About Voldemort, I'm not sure if he even CAN make a patronus. I bet he has other ways of controlling the dementors, and the patronus seems to happy and full of love for him.

That is true, a paronus would be to happy and full of love for Voldemort. So, since we know that Voldemort despises pretty much all emotion, especially love and happiness (proof: in OotP, he could not stand to posess Harry because Harry filled himself with emotion at the thought of Sirius), then Voldemort probably hates patronuses. So Voldemort is kinda like the dementors i guess, they both hate patronuses, because it is a source of great happiness that can not be taken away. So what if Harry where to use a patronus against Voldemort? Would that work, long enough for Voldemort to lose his concentration, and then for Harry to kill him or something?

What do you guys think?

[Artichoke]

I've read somewhere that for the Tsimshian Indian ( Canada ) the otter symbolises the spirit of joy and love, aswell as high energy and playful enthusiasm.

[cruplover]

The Quibbler, I like that idea! However, I think Voldemort's mind skills would render a patronus almost useless.

[Occlumens]

Wow The Quibbler, i never thought of that. That would be really cool if Harry used a patronus against Voldemort. Or maybe, as Voldemort is about to use avada Kedavra on Harry, Hermione uses a patronus on Voldemort, and then Harry has time to Kill Voldemort

[Dedalus Diggle]

Long as i also get to use the shipper in me and use Otter = Potter :p
That's not how it works: it's otter -> Ottery St. Catchpole :clap:

[RavenclawsFinest]

Maybe it has something to do with self imagery(sp?), I mean think about it Hermione has brown hair and (i dare to say) rather large front teeth; Cho is discribed as very beautiful, and as I recall a swan is a very elegant looking creature; and harry's stag can be contributed to his strength, in character and personality, he started skinny and under fed but he now growing into a man. :shrug:

[Dedalus Diggle]

Swans are always beautiful and graceful, maybe thats the significance with cho?

Swans are also associated with death. I don't know any citations to the legendary connections right off, but I know European traditions have a connection there. Perhaps Voldie will get imperfect information - i.e. that Harry is involved with Cho - and try to use that to get to Harry, as he used Harry's love for Sirius to manipulate Harry. Such an effort could easily result in her death, and whether Harry is still involved, he cannot help but care deeply that another person had died because she was associated in some way with him. :upset: I gotta go look up some swan traditions.

EDIT:
Well, here's what I have, although it seems to me there are more basic traditions even than these. First, swans pull Venus's boat. This is a possibility, since in Harry's life, Cho represents beauty and allure, while Hermione is his Athena (wisdom, knowledge and valor); Venus and Athena had several clashes, most notably where Paris of Troy had to choose which was more beautiful and chose Venus, was given Helen as his prize for so choosing, and thus ignited the Trojan War. The parallels are not easy to work out here though. Also it was as a swan that Zeus visited and impregnated Leda severla times giving rise to Castor, Pollux, Clytmenestra and someone else whose name escapes me. But this is a swan in a masculine role, so it is probably not relevant to Cho.

Also swans are very important in Japanese and Korean legends, as they are common and highly respected birds there, as well. The unifier of Japan is said to have changed into a swan and flown away at the end of his life. For HP purposes, this would be easier to use if the swan was Harry's patronus, rather than Cho's, but maybe somehow she will have a role in unifying the magical peoples.

Finally, here are three other legends I came across:
1. Wolverley Court belonged to the Attwoods, one of whom is said to have been a Crusader, and to have tarried so long at the wars that his lady at home supposing that her husband had died was about to marry again.

One morning the milkmaid at the court went down to the meadow to milk the cows, taking with her an old dog. The dog ran before the girl and presently barking directed her attention to a man lying asleep on the grass - a form, in appearance, more like a wild animal than a human being - emaciated, shaggy, and fettered with iron. The dog appeared to recognise this strange-looking object, fawned upon it and continued barking until the girl went back to the Court and told her mistress what had happened. The lady listened to the maid's story and returned with her to the place where the dog still kept guard over the stranger. The man being now awake greeted the lady as his wife, but she was alarmed and incredulous; then in confirmation of his identity he produced a half broken ring, which at parting, unknown to anyone except themselves, the husband and wife had broken, each keeping half. The lady found her portion of the ring and placed it beside that which the man held out to her. The two parts matched, and thereby was the lady convinced that her long-expected husband had returned.

A smith was sent for, and the knight released from his fetters. Great was the rejoicing at the return of the wanderer and eagerly did his friends and tenants listen to the relation of the Crusader's marvellous adventures. The soldier of the Cross had been taken prisoner, and kept for a long time in a dungeon, till one night, as he prayed to be delivered from his miserable state, an angel, or as some say, the Virgin Mary, appeared and spoke words of comfort to him, then he seemed to lose consciousness, till aroused by the barking of the dog, when he found himself no longer in the prison, but lying in the meadow below his own house in Wolverley. Though in a trance, the Knight had indistinct remembrance of movement through space, but being of too humble a heart to imagine that an angel had been sent to carry him he declared that a swan had brought him through the air.

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Our setting is the banks of the river Scheldt. There King Heinrich is holding court. His heralds call forth the Count of Telramund to explain the strife in his Duchy of Brabant. The Count reveals that Gottfried, who is the heir to the Brabant Dynasty, has disappeared, and accuses his ward, Elsa, of his murder. Elsa is summoned to defend herself, and she declares her innocence. She tells the King about a dream she had that a knight in shining armor will come to champion her cause. The King orders his heralds to call for the champion.
Twice the heralds call, and no one appears. Elsa lends her prayers to the third call, and a boat appears, drawn by a swan, and bearing a knight, fully arrayed for battle. The mysterious knight pledges himself to Elsa on the condition that she never ask his name. She agrees, and he defeats the Count in combat, sparing his life. Thus he establishes the innocence of his new bride, and they are married.
They spend many years in blissful marriage and raise two strong sons. But Count Telramund's wife plants seeds of doubt and suspicion in Elsa's mind, and though she loves him, one day she asks the swan knight for his true identity. Before he can reply, he is attacked by the Count. Elsa delivers him his sword, and he slays the Count.
The Knight of the Swan then declares that he is named Lohengrin, the son of Parsifal, the Grail Knight. He must now return to the temple of the Holy Grail, and bids farewell to Elsa. He says to his family, "Here are my horn and my sword, keep them carefully; and here, my wife, is the ring my mother gave me - never part with it."
The boat and swan have returned for him, but before he goes, he kneels in prayer. His prayers break the evil spell and transform the swan back into the boy Gottfried, who he names as the true heir of Brabant.
Lohengrin boards the boat and departs, and Elsa falls, lifeless, calling out the name of her beloved Swan Knight.


Here's a Swedish version of the Swan Maiden from the
region of Blekinge. It's very close to versions for the tennyo
and selkie. This one takes place in the parish of Melby,
where a young man while hunting comes across three swans
who remove their feathers to become three strikingly
beautiful maidens. He watches them in the water until they
reach the shore and put the feather raiments on again and
take flight. The man becomes especially taken with the
youngest and can't stop thinking of her. His mother later
realizes something is the matter and on hearing his story
advises him to wait for the swans again at sunset, and when
the youngest puts down her feathered garment to take it
when he can and then hasten away. The next Thursday
evening he does as she says, and while the elder two fly
away the last is left searching and instead finds the young
peasant. She implores for it to be returned to her, but he
will not, and instead takes her home with him and weds her.
Years pass and he makes the mistake of one night relating
the story to her of what he'd done, and she retrieves the
feathers and is transformed once again to a swan, and the
man dies longing for his lost wife.

All of these are quite obviously very beautiful and evocative tales, but for the life of me, I cannot look at any one of them and say "Aha that's why JKR made Cho's Patronus a swan." Perhaps it is after all jut the representation of beauty.

[Angora]

I don't think the patronus has to do with personality. Like the name suggests, it's something that protects you, so I think it has to do with the qaulities that you would want in a protector, or the qualities that you see in someone who makes you feel safe.

Well, I guess it has a little to do with personality, then. But I don't think it's a PROJECTION of your personality.

[Padfoot127]

Neville doesn't have any happy memories for a patronus, so I don't think he'd have one any time soon.

[cruplover]

Oh Padfoot, that's so terribly true! Sniff, sniff...poor Neville! Maybe he'll get a bunch of OWLs, or maybe his new wand will cheer him up!!

[Hermy121]

I think neville does have happy memories. Hes been in Gryffindor when they won the house cup and the quidditch cup and that kind of thing. And rember Harrys patronus was produced from a picture of Ron and Hermione in his mind. Neville also has a bunch of friends that could make him happy. Like Harry Ron and Hermione.And dosent Harry say that after the Quidditch match were they won the cup that if a dementor were around he could produce the worlds best patronus. Wouldnt Neville be really happy then to. Whell what im trying to say is that Neville has happy memories but I dont think hes concentrating on the right one that could really produce a patronus.

[flibbertigibbet]

Neville must have been happy when he won Gryffindor the house cup in first year!

[Venustas]

I wouldn't be too sure about Cho's swan patronus being a good and beautiful thing.
One meaning of swans comes from their association/ representation of hypocrits in medieval lit/art. They were thought of like this as they have beautiful white feathers on the outside, but the skin hidden under the feathers is black, so it seems to look one way when it is really quite different.
Also, swans were thought of to foretell their own death.

[doctormj]

Though it may seem hard to visualize an otter patronus head butting a dementor, otters are very smart, very fast and amazingly clever. They can travel on both land and in the water, though they are faster in the water...water also being a feminine element. Wen I tink of how an otter might address a demontor, I see it more as a rush of energy, kind of swirling toward it's target which disperses immediately.

[padfoot4]

I dont know if this means anything, but JKR said in an interview that if she was an animagus, she would want to be an otter because it was her favorite animal

[shanobyl]

SO we know that Harry has a stag, and Cho has a swan. And according to the info up there^ they are both enemys of snakes. Would there be some sort of patronus fight is somebody's was a snake?

We know that Seamus supposedly almost produced one that was hairy. Neville was trying very hard, but hadn't managed it yet.

we dont know what draco's patronus would look like. perhaps his would be a snake? one more thing to ponder about: how come deatheaters do not use the patronus on dementers shud they come knocking on their door? that would obviously defeat the whole purpose of having dementers but i am just wondering..

[Hazelnutt1230]

Anyone have any ideas on what Ron's or Neville's might be?

[shanobyl]

it would be quite an irony if ron's is a spider :lol:

[ViyaBlack]

I think Rons would be something Jolly...lol...an animl that is representative of happiness and humour. I dont know what that would be though.

[Narami]

Have someone posted about otter, with a P would be Potter? and the fact that you have to think happy thoughts to make a patronus? what was Hermione thinking uhm...:eyebrows: ...
well if someone has... sorry for repeating.;)
oh and hello to everyone in this thread! :)

[ViyaBlack]

Nicely noted...the thought crossed my mind. TY for speaking my mind....Better get some occlumency lessons eh? Hermione may have been thinking about harry, but I dont think it would have been in a romantic sense,

[ViyaBlack]

I think Nevilles patronus would be a badger....

[shanobyl]

but why would neville's patronus resemble hufflepuff's mascot?

[cruplover]

We just need JKR to write in a classroom scene where they talk about what inspires a patronus!!

[Allie]

I like the idea of Ron's patronus being a spider. As for Neville, I'm not really sure. Maybe a toad?

[go_anna40]

Otters as JKR's favourite animal, she said so in this (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/quickquotes/articles/2000/1000-scholastic-chat.htm) chat transcript:

Question: If you were Animagus, what kind of animal would you be?
JKR: I'd like to be an otter - that's my favourite animal. It would be depressing if I turned out to be a slug or something.

Hope this helps. :)

Hmmm, that might be it. Rowling did say that Hermione was like a mirror image of herself.
It also might be useful in the future, who knows...

[Puffskein]

Neville doesn't have any happy memories for a patronus, so I don't think he'd have one any time soon.


That's a bit depressing! I can't believe there can be a lot of people who don't have any happy memories at all. Lupin's had a very tough life but he can still do a Patronus. Neville's life with his relatives doesn't sound as bad as Harry's life with the Dursleys, and Neville must have been happy when he found out he did have enough powers to go to Hogwarts, and then there was the house cup.

[madison_fairie]

I can't remember, what is Lupin's Patronus?

[ViyaBlack]

Your right about Nevilles patronis...it ouldnt be a badger then. I wasnt thinking 'ravenclaw' See..i was thinking, someone who has had to learn for themselves, and put up a sort of shield. Like a badger does...maybe a toad....well, yeah...acctually a toad sounds accurate? Its just..there right?

[shanobyl]

maybe.. neville's patronus is a swan, as in "the ugly duckling". his powers were deemed extremely limited. but look how he's blossomed in ootp.

[d4nce4m01]

Neville's Patronus would be a cow. because Like Harry's patronus is a stag like his father was in anigmus form.. Neville's dad's name is Frank, which reminds me of hotdogs.. which reminds me of beef, which reminds me of cows. Therefore Neville's patronus is a cow.


or another theory is it's a turtle, because Neville is rather slow, but in the end he wins the race. Also because his dad's name is frank. Which is like Franklin who is a turtle. :D

[shanobyl]

good one d2nce4m01. i like your turtle theory =P

[[Pretty]_[Unicorn]]

i think that Hermione's patronus just represented herself. She probably like otters and as Fleur said that JKR base herself as Hermy and if she was an Animagus it would be into an otter so it may play a part but i think it just represent Hermione.

[Draco Serpensortia]

:rotfl:

I was thinking more of 'Harry Otter'...

Currently doing a google search, just in cause...

EDIT: Just found this...

That explains a lot. Hermione certainly does seem like an otter at times.

[MSLupin]

d4nce4m01, I agree about Neville's Patronus taking the form of a turtle. It seems to fit his perseverance perfectly.

[pinkytonks]

Neville's Patronus would be a cow. because Like Harry's patronus is a stag like his father was in anigmus form.. Neville's dad's name is Frank, which reminds me of hotdogs.. which reminds me of beef, which reminds me of cows. Therefore Neville's patronus is a cow.


or another theory is it's a turtle, because Neville is rather slow, but in the end he wins the race. Also because his dad's name is frank. Which is like Franklin who is a turtle. :D

hmm... i juz had this thought. Harry's patronus was a stag, coz it represented his personality or character in some way, and it was somehow related to his father... so maybe Nevile's patronus will be something fierce - to represent his fierce grandmother? haha... it was quite a crazy thought :D

[Dedalus Diggle]

Neville should have had a very happy thought when he bounced rather than splatted when Uncle Algie dropped him out the upper floor window. To say nothing of the family celebration that ensued.

[ViyaBlack]

Neville adapts...and forgets..so not an elephant. How about.....*ponders* a rabbit. Or a penqin?

Ron is so happy-go-lucky and at the same tiome tense. He knows how to have fun, as long as theres nothing dangerous or deadly involved. Rons might be something like......a fox, or a cyote.

[schwarzendrache]

How about Neville's patronus as a vulture... as on his granny's hat?

[shanobyl]

How about Neville's patronus as a vulture... as on his granny's hat?

Vultures are manipulative and sly creatures. Neville has neither of those characteristics, so i dont think that his patronus will take the form of a vulture.

[Dedalus Diggle]

Vultures are manipulative and sly creatures. Neville has neither of those characteristics, so i dont think that his patronus will take the form of a vulture.

Where do you get that notion from? I don't remember that in fairy tales. :huh: As actual cretures, they are quite straightforward - they fly about smelling for meat :drool: - they are good enough at it that they get here before it's rotten - and then they strip the carcass if there's no tougher critter at it. One of the most unique things about vultures is their mode of defense - when threatened they regurgitate on their attacker - wouldn't that make an interesting patronus? :p

[shanobyl]

well i did Volpone by ben jonson for literature last year. one of the characters' name is 'Voltore' which means "vulture". and he was cunning. so i thought theres some connection.

[MadMagic]

It certainly would make an interesting patronus. It would be kind of embarrassing if your patronus regurgitated on someone though.

[DaisyMae]

Otter: In Norse mythology, the otter is a shapechanger. Their task is to learn the mastery of manifesting what is visualized in the mind. The otter is also used as a guide in other legends.

I wonder about Hermione changing shapes. She is always described as having bushy hair and long teeth (until she fixed them). Maybe a rabbit with a bushy tail?

[lxs234]

That's cool how the stag is the enemy of the snake. The snake could be either voldemort or one of the malfoy's maybe.

[rotsiepots]

The stag is the enemy of the snake? I always assumed that honour belonged to the mongoose. :huh:

[jordmundt6]

I hadn't heard that either. But I liked the note about Swans and their medieval association with hypocrites.

[phengophobic]

How about Neville's patronus as a vulture... as on his granny's hat?
That would make his granny proud.:D but anyways, maybe it will end up being a lion or something...this whole time(well,before book 5) neville doesnt seem to be strong magically speaking...or very brave, but maybe in the 5th book with his new wand, he might find some confidence and turn out to be extremely strong and brave.

[Jena Evans]

I think the shape the partronus takes is very significant. Obviously Hermione's is an otter because that is JkR's favorite animal, but I think that it could turn out to be something more later on. I think it is interesting that we never find out what Ron's looks like, does it actually say that his took shape? I can't remember.

[Lady deMimsy]

I can't remember, what is Lupin's Patronus?
We are not told -- it is just described as "a silvery thing" (PoA, chapter 5). I would assume this means it is either a wolf (which would, of course, give the game away big time in PoA), or something that has even bigger spoiler potential for later books. My own pet theories would be either a stag (because I suspect he and Harry have much more in common than Harry realizes) or a rat (I think there is a LOT we haven't yet been told about Lupin and Pettigrew's friendship, and I can imagine them having been very close at one point).

[Jill]

We are not told -- it is just described as "a silvery thing" (PoA, chapter 5). I would assume this means it is either a wolf (which would, of course, give the game away big time in PoA), or something that has even bigger spoiler potential for later books. My own pet theories would be either a stag (because I suspect he and Harry have much more in common than Harry realizes) or a rat (I think there is a LOT we haven't yet been told about Lupin and Pettigrew's friendship, and I can imagine them having been very close at one point).

Well at the moment I would go with the wolf as Lupins patronous as with Harry's patronous we see a stag, which has a direct link to Harry's past through his father. Lupins direct animal link to the past is that of a wolf, so it makes sence for his patronous to equal that. Siriuses patronous was also a dog possibly due to the association of his name and Petigrews represented his personality for being a rat...

If we go along these lines, then the students patronouses may hold secrets of there past, personality or at least have a direct link to each of them in some way or form...

Time to do a bit of research methinks....

[angrypenguin]

I think that JKR said that none of the main 3 would become animagi.

Hopefully it's Ron. We never did find out if Ron did a petronus. Although, my bets on Harry.

[iamshahin]

OK so we know that we can't choose our animagus form.

Quote from world book day Chat:

Kelly Holland: When you turn into a animagus, can you choose that animal you become? Or doest it get "assigned" to you?
JK Rowling replies->No, you can't choose. You become the animal that suits you best. Imagine the humiliation when you finally transform after years of study and find that you most closely resemble a warthog.

Right so later on this was asked:

Quote from world book day chat:

Class 14: if you were a animagus which animal would you be? and why?
Jk Rowling replies-> I gave Hermione my idea animagus, because its my favorite animal. You'll find the answer in the Room of Requirement, Order of the Phoenix!

She said she gave hermione her ideal ANIMAGUS which is the otter. BUT hermione never transformed in the R of R its was a patronus. So if jk's favorite animagus is hermione's patronus ITS MUST BE THE SAME THING!!! Im not sure how to explain this better but feel free to ask more questions! :tu:

[SquibOnline]

An otter is an intelligent animal - like Hermione

[strange magic]

I wonder what Luna's Patronus is, Maybe something we have never heard of
and It never told us Lupin's Patrounus either.

[Mafic]

Humm I always hoped Neville's patronus would be a mongoose. LoL take that Slytherin

[leoguy72388]

I wonder what Luna's Patronus is, Maybe something we have never heard of
and It never told us Lupin's Patrounus either.

Well we can assume that since lupin was one of the marauders and it seems like the marauder's patroni (plural of patronus?) are the animal that they are names after ... although it could be just james that was like that

[McAster]

I think Patronus is one of those words that do not have a plural form.

It is funny though, if you think it out patronus is plural allready.

Patron means: One that supports, protects, or champions someone or something.
Us: A group, informal.

I wonder if JKR meant to make it like that? Oh well, not important.

For Lupin, I say it is a good guess that his Patronus is a wolf, however I can see him as a cat person. He just reminds me of a few cats I know, friendly to all and ready to forgive mistakes or look past a problem.

Now for Ron, I see his patronus being a weasel. Not because of the jokes by Malfoy, but because it does fit him in my eyes (in a good way, as they can be evasive (duty), but will do anything to protect those they care about(go find a family of them and you will see)).
Also, if his patronus is a weasel it would explain why he would have a problem creating one. After all, what shame it would be that after all this time Malfoy would be right about the weasel, thus Ron doesn't want that to happen.

Nevil acts like a Gila monster to me. Nasty little buggers they be, they look nice and rather weak on the outside, but they are in fact one of the most dangerous reptiles around.
See, the buggers not just bit you, they also leap onto and latch onto your arm/leg/anything they can get a hold on and don't let go (ever!). You have to get surgery just to remove them.

Of course I doubt JKR has even heard of gila monsters and thus I doubt Nevil will have that as a patronus, but it would have been funny.

Now Snape, would he have a snake?

[Kimmetje]

I think Hermione's Patronus will be a fox, as a fox is clever.

^ For Ron I would say a weasel as well, I like McAster's reasons ^

Neville's Patronus will probably form into a mongoose :rotfl:

I must agree that Snape's would form a snake.

[Mopsus]

I think Patronus is one of those words that do not have a plural form.

It is funny though, if you think it out patronus is plural allready.

Patron means: One that supports, protects, or champions someone or something.
Us: A group, informal.


I stronly disagree there- Patronus is Latin word, meaning "protector" or "defender". It's plural is Patroni, like Animagi and Metamorphmagi. It isn't a word that consists of the English words "patron" and "us"- "-us" is the normal suffix for male words in Latin (though it's also used a suffix for the "manus"-group, which is highly irregular).

Also, Hermione's Patronus is an otter, as seen in the Room of Requirement. :huh:

[Knight Bus]

You know that corporal patronuses are very rare and not every wizard can produce one. After all why did Harry get extra credit for doing one in his O.W.L DADA if every one can do one. I don't think that we will see to many more being produced by anybody else in the books with the exception of Dumbledore.

[AlisiameGranger]

I seem to remember an interview where JKR was asked what form Snape's patronus (and boggart, but that's another topic for another thread) would take. Her reply was that she couldn't say because it would give too much away. What do you suppose?

[no1 potter fan]

I was thinking that. Also I was wondering wether this is just a coincidence<sp?> or did JKR call Harry, Harry Potter because of her liking for otters? (does this make sence)

[Theodorre]

My patronus would be a flying monkey

[Mopsus]

I was thinking that. Also I was wondering wether this is just a coincidence<sp?> or did JKR call Harry, Harry Potter because of her liking for otters? (does this make sence)
I think J.K.R. said somewhere her neighbours at one point were called Potter and that she'd always liked the name. Perhaps the "otter" hidden in it was the "straw that broke the camels back"? :)

[Spencer28]

I think that the patronuse turns into the thing you are most like. Harry being a stag I cannot explain except that his dads was one when he was an amigui or how ever you spell it. Tom Riddle is the Half Blood Prince.

[xLove_Ronx]

If this is already posted, I apologize, but PoA and GoF were only published a year apart. Seeing as how it took 3 years for OotP to get printed, maybe Rowling put time to make a significance between the Patronuses and their wizards/witches.

I read in a post from this topic that "Otter" was intelligent, clever, and so on...but I also read that it was a shy animal.

Maybe the significance of shyness is just this: Hermione is open with her friendship with Harry, but it is possible she doesn't think of him 'that' way. Now on the other hand, she may be shy about feelings towards Ron. Think...kiss on the cheek...constant meaningless arguments...chemistry in both book and the movie...she is obviously to nervous to blurt feelings about Ron! Buahahahaha! (My Shipper-ness Kicks In Yet Again)

Just a thought. :eyebrows:

[Jemma]

That'd be cool if Hermione's patronus was an otter. As for Ron, I think his patronus would be a rat! Lol, just kidding, maybe an owl or something.

I think my patronus would either be the otter or an eagle.

Jemma

[McAster]

Sigh, a little bit of dry humour fails again, oh well.
It is true I forgot about using i as the ending to create a plural meaning for a Latin word, good catch.

Patron does come from the Latin word Patronus though, hence the dry humour joke.
I spend too much time with English majours.

Otters are shy animals around those they do not know or trust, however they are quite friendly once trust is earned. As they use tools (mainly rocks or sharp sticks) to eat with or attack they are considered inteligent when it comes to totems.

[Mopsus]

It was a joke? Whoops, sorry :blush:

[DarkThunder]

I have a vague feeling that the fact that Hermione's patronus is an otter will be a clue to future books... I mean, JKR won't just put in trivial facts, they are usually clues for future use...

99% of the facts JKR puts in the books are trivial. If they werent, we'd be able to guess everything.

[Sir Bert Leaman]

I posted this in another thread of a similar subject that was closed (figures :grumble: ) but I thought it has some relevance and could spark some more ideas here to. Give me feed back on my ideas please. Refer to this thread: http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=35709 for further reading. By the way, this particular thread was about the patronuses of the Hogwarts teachers.

Now, to my post:

I am not sure if it was directly said but I beleive a person's patronus and animagus forms are the same. I seem recall reading somewhere someone (I'll try to find it and post a link to the web page) asking what Hermione's animagus form would be and JKR responded by saying we found out in OotP. This may be her way of saying that animagus forms and potronus forms are the same.

With that out of the way, I'd like to address Dumbledore's patronus. I do remember reading (I believe on JKR's site) his patronus is a pheonix which would then mean, according to what I remember reading, his animagus form is a pheonix. Off topic but something to think about. Lupin's patronus may be a warewolf but I doubt it because that is not an animagus form, it's more like a disease. I think the whole patronus/animagus bit has to do with a persons personality possibly even physical attributes. This may seem obvious but I felt it important to state.

I don't think Snape's patronus would be a snake, but I'd bet Voldemort's would. I think Umbridge's would be a frog, or better, a toad. I think Hagrid's would be a grizzley bear. Quirrell's some sort of easily frightented bird, maybe a dodo or Diricawl as non-muggles call them (FB page 9). Madame Hooch's would be a type of bird. Sprout's a gopher. Lastly, I think Trelawney's would be an owl. Those're my opnions, ask me if you'd like me to explain my reasoning behind any of those.

[ComicBookWorm]

Not everyone is animagus. In fact it is a rare gift. However, I suspect that many wizards can make a patronus.

[Sir Bert Leaman]

You're right, not everyone is an animagus but I believe that a persons patronus is the same animal as they would be should they become an animagus. I think the two forms are connected because I believe both are based off of the personality of the wizard or witch.

[Hollyberry]

since we know that Voldemort despises pretty much all emotionThis is from a ways back but I want to address it. (The writer was saying Voldemort wouldn't have a patronus...) Actually, I don't think this is accurate; Harry has felt Voldemort both angry and very happy so I don't see why he shouldn't be able to produce one. Just because the thing that makes you happy is something nasty doesn't mean you aren't happy. Why would Voldy need a patronus? Well, apparently the dementors take his orders but they also get hungry and aren't at all discriminating about whose soul they suck out and don't listen to arguments or pleading, so, really, I think they could be a danger to anyone. So I think even Voldemort and the Death Eaters might find a patronus pretty handy.

There are some old British folk tales and folk songs about a woman whose lover shot her with a bow and arrow and killed her because she had transformed herself into a swan and he thought he was killing a swan. Maybe she was a witch and could transform--so I guess swans could be witches familiars too. They clearly have some magical associations.

JKR said none of the trio would become animagi? That's too bad! I always had a suspicion that Hermione would....I wonder why not.

I think Ron's patronus (if he ever produced one!) would be a lion.

[cmkott]

Ok - maybe this is a stupid question, but is a patronus only good for protecting against dementors? Could this also protect the person from something else? For instance, if you were being chased by someone, could you produce a patronus that would block them from getting to you?

I just thought that if it were possible, it would give Harry another tool to fight later on.

[Bones for MfM]

If you had read "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them" you would know that a Patronus also protects against a Lethifold but I don't think that your idea is realistic, cmkott, mainly because a patronus is a defensive tool and cannot be used offensively. However, I do think that patroni will play an important role in the books to come because it seems very much that Dumbledore is using his patronus as a messenger (GoF p. 487 Bloomsbury). This makes me think that the patronus has other hidden properties

[princessa_2004]

Ok - maybe this is a stupid question, but is a patronus only good for protecting against dementors? Could this also protect the person from something else? For instance, if you were being chased by someone, could you produce a patronus that would block them from getting to you?

I just thought that if it were possible, it would give Harry another tool to fight later on.


when Draco Malfoy pretends to be a dementor and Harry sends out his patronous it does not him and his friends over, so possibly!

[Draco Spirit]

right what do you think everyones pratonus are going to be?

[Snout]

It's patronus.

Harrys - Stag
Hermiones - Otter
Dumbeldores - Phoenix

These are ones we know. I can't think of possible ones.

[BelfiCat]

did it ever say what Ron's or Neville's were?

I'd like to know what Snapes would be, and Voldmorts too, and McGonnagal, amybe a cat to correspond with her animgus form?

[conquest]

ron - pot of gold
neville - a horse

random guesses

[Snout]

I always think Nevilles would be a hippo :). I don't know why.

I think Snpaes would be a bat and i think Voldemorts would be a snake, after all they're his prefered animal :). Yes, Mcgonagall probably would be a cat of some sort, but i think it would be a big, fierce cat like a tiger or maybe something less aggressive like a lynx (not a lion as i think that will be Godric Gryffindors :)).

[Chatruc]

Cho Chang's is a swan.

[KatieJoy]

This thread may interest you. http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=11249

[Snout]

Cho Chang's is a swan.

Oh yeah, i forgot about that one :).

[Anglophile15]

Hahaha Neville's a hippo? I like that one!

[SnapeLova]

when did we find out what dumbledores is?? i dont recall.

heres a question...are people aloud to have a patronus that others already have...like could ron and harry have the same one? or if that is too big a coincidence then maybe harry and bertha jorkins?

[asyouwish]

I believe JK Rowling said Dumbledore's was a phoenix in an interview...

Something I've always wondered... is a person's animagus the same as their patronus? You never see someone who is an animagus cast a patronus... at least not that I can remember.

[amirab]

What would Draco's be? A snake, maybe.

[wizkid6]

Since weasleys are always gryffindors (at least as far as we know) maybe Ron's is a lion- the "true" Gryffindor Patronus.

Neville's being a hippo kind of intrigues me. It seems like it does nothing but when enraged it can do serious damage.

I can't think of one for Luna- all the animals I am thinking of now are alert, not at all like Luna normally.

[simplybecky]

Something I've always wondered... is a person's animagus the same as their patronus? You never see someone who is an animagus cast a patronus... at least not that I can remember.You're right, we have never seen someone with both. If you're interested in this question, you would be interested in this thread, Professor Snape as Animgus (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=39629&page=1&pp=30), which discusses an editorial of the same title. Although that was not specifically what the editorial addressed, around the middle the thread really gets into that topic. I'm still very undecided, but I like the suggestion that the patronus represents someone or something who would be your protector, and the animagus represents your character.

Is the plural patroni? Like animagi?

[asyouwish]

Thanks Becky!

And I think Luna's patronus is a koala. No reason. It just seems to fit.

[Snout]

I think Dracos would be a dragon as that's what his name means :).

[magikhappenz]

I'd say that the plural to patronus is patroni, that does make sense.

Also the patronus doesn't have to necesserily be an animal, JK Rowling said in an interview once that James Potter's was a Nose-Biting Teacup.

[feltonfan]

originally posted by magikhappenz
JK Rowling said in an interview once that James Potter's was a Nose-Biting Teacup.

i have a rather strong feeling that's a joke! :p

draco's is probably a snake. Ron's, er... i think ron's will be a owl or something. i dunno why... Snapes might be a bat. You know how it once said he was 'swooping around like an overgrown bat' or something. :lol:

[tarachristwen]

didn't the book 5 mention about their patronuses?

[Snout]

Why do people automatically think slytherins HAVE to have a snake patronus? It gets on my nerves.

[acidoz]

I rekon Ron's would be a weasel. Or a mongoose - you know, not afraid of snakes, and almost reckless bravery.
I don't think Draco's would be a dragon. I think only really powerful wizards like Dumbledore have magical creature patroni. Perhaps Voldemort has a basilisk.

[Erchamion]

I think the patronus could actual be the opposite of what you hate the most.
For example, Ron hates spiders. Spiders hate snakes , as mentioned in book two. Maybe Ron's patronus is a snake?
Just a thought.

[KatieJoy]

This link should be sufficient.... Hermione's (and other characters) patronuses? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=11249)

[atherella]

This link should be sufficient.... Hermione's (and other characters) patronuses? (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=11249)

Thanks KatieJoy :)

Since we have a thread that exists for this discussion already, I'm going to have these two threads merged. In the meantime, please continue this discussion in the thread linked above. Thanks. :D

[amirab]

Maybe Draco's patronus is a fluffy kitten. Kidding. :p

[Kruml]

Personnaly I think Marcel's patronus is a chair or a shoe.

TAnyway, the patronusses really don't matter that much.

However JKR said she could say what shape Snape's had because it would give to much away. So maybe we should think about that.


BTW, go_anna40 you're signature is hilarious.