Significance of the Mirror

[hybrid]

this mirror will probably seem to become useful in the future... i was thinking that harry would give ron the other one.. if he could find it... thoughts?

[crafty girl]

Sirius probably did have the other mirror with him, so I don't think Ron could use it. And Harry smashed his, so unless he kept the shards in his trunk, that one's going to be pretty useless.

I wanted to beat Harry senseless at the end of the book! Why didn't he just open that package sooner!

[ArabellaBlack]

I don't really think so... mainly because Harry broke it, and to give Ron the other one would mean someone needing to find the other one. Plus, I can't imagine anything Sirius-related without tears streaming forth, how would Harry react?

Signature I have to type because I'm not allowed to have it as my signature
~And I'll see Sirius again
I weep, for Padfoot will never return

[hybrid]

woulndt there be a better reason for introducing the mirror into the book? other than to make harry feel bad about how he could have saved sirius? im just guessing there is more to it...

[mrpink]

Did he smash it? I must have missed that. That kind of blows the theory, which is a shame coz I thought that he'd give it to Ron too.

[1MelissaPotter]

Well Harrys is shattered- so he'd need to fix it. And Sirius' is probably at his house. So I think that if Harry fix his and get Sirius and gives it to Ron they coudl use it. It woudl be a memory of Sirius and his Dad.

[Jaredd]

Originally posted by hybrid (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=388237#post388237))
this mirror will probably seem to become useful in the future... i was thinking that harry would give ron the other one.. if he could find it... thoughts?


Two thoughts on the mirror:

1. It just occurred to me that had Harry discovered the mirror earlier, he could have confirmed that Sirius was NOT in danger and would still be alive today..........

2. More importantly, the future of the mirror. I would assume that Sirius had it on him when he fell through the veil. Hence, any future importance to the mirror would have to do with making contact with the other side...........I wish we knew more about that veil! (I believe DD called the room where it existed the "Death Chamber")

[wolfie]

Yeah, he threw it and it smashed. I think that it's just confirming that Sirius is not coming back. I cried so hard at that part, because Harry was still thinking that he could see Sirius again. :'(

[dog star]

Harry threw his into the trunk and shattered it, yes. But, if I remember correctly, he then thrrew all of his other belongings on top of it, so he didn't remove the shards from the trunk. I have to think this isn't the last we've seen of that mirror, and that its being shattered isn't the end of its usefulness.

[hybrid]

but wouldnt there be more to the mirror? other than to just make harry believe that he could have saved sirius? maybe theres something about his dad that is in the mirror...

[Marcy]

Originally posted by crafty girl (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=388252#post388252))


I wanted to beat Harry senseless at the end of the book! Why didn't he just open that package sooner!


me too. :banghead: I cried harder when I realized this than when Sirius actually died!

[ArabellaBlack]

I've thought of this after reading, but here's another thing that might've prevented it... Harry talked to Sirius and Remus in the fire before. When Harry had the mirror. Why didn't Sirius ask why Harry didn't use the mirror? I know why, of course... I want him back...

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~And I'll see Sirius again...
I weep, for Padfoot will never return

[crafty girl]

Originally posted by ArabellaBlack (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=388283#post388283))
Why didn't Sirius ask why Harry didn't use the mirror?


ARGH!!! That's another good point!!! I also think that there's something more to the mirror than a guilt-inducing device. Otherwise JKR would have had it shatter on the floor; not in the bottom of Harry's trunk.

Also, could this have something to do with what Luna was saying to Harry at the end of the book? I don't have it on me for reference, but doesn't she say something about "seeing them again" and "didn't you hear them behind the veil"? (BTW, I love Luna!)

[HogwartsChaplain]

1. I think Luna's reference was to some kind of "life after death" belief.

2. Yes, why didn't Sirius ask Harry about the mirror when they first talked through the fire? Sirius knew Harry was taking a risk to talk through the fire-- and an unnecessary risk, as it turns out.

3. Maybe the bigger lesson to Harry will be: Explore all your options. If Harry had been more mindful of this gift Sirius had given him, things might have turned out differently. If Harry had been more open to studying occlumency with Snape, things might have turned out differently. And now he knows that there is a serious danger of his own death in the future!

[Yavanna]

Ahhh, the mirror! Harry needs a better memory! Well, I agree with the others, it was just to show that all options need to be explored and people can't do things to harshly. Harry's gonna have a lot of trouble not blaming the death on himself, and come to think of it, so will I!

[DogStar87]

We know when Harry found his two way mirror, he threw it back into his trunk and it shattered. Sirius's note said that he had the other mirror. Do you think Harry will be find it...will he somehow be able to use it to talk to Sirius or will it have any importance in Books 6 or 7?

[stellaluna]

p. 756 British paperback:

"Harry remained quite still for a moment, then hurled the mirror back in to the trunk where it shattered.

(...)

"...he got up again and began throwing his things pell-mell into the trunk on top of teh broken mirorr..."


So yes, he kept the shades. Mhm, I wonder whethr that thing is reparable...

[Raven]

Harry will probably always feel guilty about Sirius's death because he didn't remember the mirror.

[Phoenix_Fawkes]

Yea he could have told Sirius and never went to The DOM but he forgot. However I dont think it will play a role in future books I cant see how i would anyways!

[marspeach]

I wondered why, when Harry used Umbridge's fire to ask Sirius about his father, didn't Sirius ask Harry what he was doing using the fire? Why didn't he say to use the mirror? I keep thinking this and that Sirius didn't have to die....

[Llopin]

Where's Sirius mirror? Maybe he carried with him when he died. If that was the case, the mirror has probably disapperaed behind the "veil", but maybe there's a way of getting it back. But Sirius might have left the mirror at his house, so any of the OotP or Harry himself could search it over the house and find it. If Harry go the two mirrors, he could give one of them to Ron or another person, so they could communicate, and that could bring a lot of possibilities.

If Sirius' mirror is never found, Harry may keep the other mirror as a nostalgic object to remember his godfather, because it is useless if there's just one mirror (if there isn't the other one, it's impossible to communicate).

However, I think it may have been also Sirius' fault. If he had told Harry WHAT was it when he gave him the mirror, I'm sure Harry wouldn't have forgot and would have remembered and used it more times.

[Catherine Weasley]

If only Harry had opened the mirror earlier, Sirius might not be dead....:'(

[jmk623]

He could easily use the 'Reparo' spell on it to put it back together. But I didn't see that much imporrtance about it. I think the mirror was simply there to show how Sirius's death could have been avioded, and it made Sirius's death more tragic.
I do have this small hope that Harry fixes the mirror and one day Sirius appears in that mirror and they have a heart warming talk...........

[Virtuousdream]

Yes but we all know how JKR loves bring useless little things into being of great significance. Look at that chamberpot room in book 4, and Ron's useless rat Scabbers!

[DogStar87]

I hope there's some way he can get Sirius's mirror....even if it's of no use. I dunno why if it won't help, I just hope he finds it.

[Padfoot_Uk]

im not sure, i think the mirror will have a major part to play in the next books although i dont know what it would be. Ron is a good idea, maybe dumbledore or even Hermione though could all also make good use of it, i dont know, but it is significant, why else would JK mention it otherwise?

[Tarawyn]

I'm going to merge this with another thread on Sirius's mirror.

[dumbleedore]

Remember when Sirius gave Harry the mirror, Harry was trying to warn him to be careful and then it mentioned that Harry wouldn't use the mirror. Ach, need my book back!

[Arissya_00]

Hey, Harry can fix the mirror!!! In one of the books I remember, Ron or someone broke a teacup but Hermione did some kinda spell, and the teacup was back, as a whole!!! So the mirror CAN be used again. The only way it cannot is if Harry threw the shards down the drain. I totally agree with you, jmk. I am pretty sure we have not seen the last of the mirror, nor our beloved Sirius.

[heirofslytherin_dm]

I hope we haven't seen the last of Sirius........that would kill me.

[Jaded_Wanderer]

Good point, Dumbleedore. I think Sirius' comments on the present gave the impression that by Harry using it, Sirius would be placed in danger - the last thing that Harry would've wanted; even if he had remembered the mirror, he still may have chosen to put himself in danger than Sirius, even though this decision still would have killed Sirius....ahhhh poor poor Padfoot...

[Yavanna]

I AM MAD! I just read it over again, and when Harry talks to Sirius in Umbridge's fire about his father, why was the first thing Sirius said not "Why didn't you use the present I gave you to communicate with me???" WHY DIDN'T HE SAY THAT?? He shouldn't have expected Harry to talk to him through the flames, so common sense would tell me that Sirius would have reminded Harry of the SAFER way of communicating, then he would have known to use in at the end! I know JKR had to do this, but I just wish he would have mentioned it. Okay, I am done venting now.

[Kerbox]

You all talk of the mirror as something unique. I would expect it to go for no more than a couple of galleons at Diagon Alley.

[Catwalkk]

As I posted on another thread as well, but is significant here...

Sirius did NOT tell Harry to open the package if Harry needed to talk to him. Sirius did say, after Harry asked what the package was, "A way of letting me know if Snape's giving you a hard time." (page 523, US version) Sirius basically told Harry that he didn't think he could handle anything Snape did, and of course after that Harry wasn't about to open that package. Harry had coped with Snape just fine for four and a half years, thank you, and he didn't feel he had to run to Sirius crying like a toddler if Snape was nasty to him. THAT is why Harry didn't open the package! All Sirius had to do was to tell him to open the package once he got to Hogwarts; that would have worked MUCH better than insinuating that Harry couldn't take a snide remark or two.


And you are all right: If I had been Sirius, first thing I would have said to Harry when he was talking through the fire would have been "Go use the mirror, Harry!"

[DaN+EmMa]

i think the mirror will coem into play soon enough in the upcomming books. JK wouldn't just bring in the mirror without it having any imoortance later on in the story. she has a knack of introducing something that would seem rather unimportant until later on where it's a big development for the story.

[qRussellp]

Perhaps Harry will indeed find the other mirror safe in the Black residence, and chuck it into the Veil in the hope that Sirius will be able to retrieve it, and communicate with Harry? Just a wild guess.

[GryffindorSeeker]

The part about the mirror made me cry...
Anyway, maybe the other one is at Grimmauld Place number twelve, and he repares it and maybe he can talk to the people there, or it's with sirius and we see Sirius again! it's a win-win situation if he repares the mirror and it's in one of those places! I hope.
(Something I feel like typing: )
Half the marauders, gone.
half of the remaining, betraying.
Other half, nothing bad. Yet.

[Ecthelion]

If he ever does find the other mirror its going to bring some pretty sharp memories and guilt pangs to say the least. :(

[Voritian]

It says right after Harry tries to talk to Sirius that Sirius didnt have the other one with him when he died and that it was still back at the house, thanks.

[143lupin]

i think that the mirror might come in to play in the following books. im pretty sure that the mirror can be fixed with that reparo spell or something. maybe later harry will find a secret about it. maybe a secret like in the mauraders map. well anyway i cant wait for the next book to come out! im also intrested in what the 3rd movie will be like... i wonder if lupin will be just how i pictured him... n sirius of course!

i luv lupin! :crush:

[NeedAM!nT]

Maybe Lupin will find Sirius' and talk to Harry through it. Harry might hear the mirror shards (lol I just find this funny) talking and then look at a piece and see Lupin. He seems like the one to take over as Harry's father figure, though no one can replace Sirius. :(

[Christine Black]

Don't forget Reparo!!! Harry can always fix the mirror!

[siriusblack84]

ooooh.....i just try so hard to keep my mind away from sirius's death....but it doesn't work! I did miss the thing about Harry smashing the mirror! Probably because I was actuall crying my eyes out at the time....Well...I do believe that we haven't seen the last of the mirror....and Sirius! I mean Harry never got to know his parents and he still was able to see them in the mirror and they even talked to him when they came out of Voldemort's wand and the same happened with Cedric who died almost as suddenly as Sirius....I don't think that this is a very good theory but....Oh and the reason that Sirius died is exactly because he didn't need to die....I mean that Rowling said that she wanted to show how sudden and painfull death is! She said so in an interview! I really wish that Sirius would come back but I know better than that! Rowling is Just NOT the person who would bring back someone from the dead....! But I definetely think that the mirror is a clue that we are gonna see a bit more about him....

SIRIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Arissya_00]

I agree with you Russell, maybe Harry will throw it beyond the veil and talk to Sirius!!!:)

[Remus Lupin #1]

I don't think we have seen the last of Sirius oh I am pretty sure he is dead but will comes of use in the nest two books like maybe in the mirror or a dream, at least I hope I loved Sirius.

[Starrlight]

We all seem to notice that Sirius wouldn't have died if Harry had used the mirror--but Harry doesn't! I've just finished rereading the book, and Rowling seems to have used it only to get Harry to try to use it like Erised then go ask Nick if Sirius will be a ghost. I didn't see anything to indicate guilt, or oh ****, why didn't I use it before. And with all the extreme danger, Sirius should have mentioned it when Harry used Umbridge's fire, even with Lupin in the room.
Was Rowling sloopy here, and used it only to do the ghost angle, or to be used in a later book? Look back at that last chapter and tell me what you think--no guilt as far as I can see as if Rowling didn't in fact mean to use it that way. Perhaps I'm wrong...
opinions?

[fruitia pickleweed]

Another rejected gift: in Chapter One, we learn that Harry threw away his birthday chocolates from Hermione and Ron without opening them. Chocolate that would have been helpful after the dementor attack! Could it be that some of Harry's negativity in the early chapters resulted from not getting that antidote?

Then he rejected Sirius's gift of the mirror by putting it right out of his mind. And as you observed, Starrlight, he hasn't even noticed that he could have used the mirror to check on Sirius and so prevented his death.

Is Harry flirting with the kind of egotism that asserts, "I don't need anyone, I'll just do it myself"? This kind of self-reliance can look like strength, but is a very grave error for anyone to make. In fact, if love or altruism is the power that he has and Voldemort "knows not," he could be in danger of losing touch with that power through rejecting others' assistance and affection.

[Starrlight]

Fruitia:
Doesn't he ignore the sneakascope, too-way back in book 3? Of course you could hardly expect him to connect it to Scabbers! But the sneakascope always went off when Scabbers was around--that's what I remember, anyway.
I was hoping we'd have one book of angst, but then Harry would learn and be wiser in the last 2 books--but I think you are on track with a possible theme for the next book, and we'll get more moody Harry.

[a1waysthedreamer]

i hope the mirror comes up again...

[fruitia pickleweed]

Originally posted by Starrlight (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=432689#post432689))
Fruitia:
Doesn't he ignore the sneakascope, too-way back in book 3?.....
I was hoping we'd have one book of angst, but then Harry would learn and be wiser in the last 2 books....


You're right that he ignores the sneakascope. That is because it doesn't seem to be working properly, rather than because of negative emotions.

I have been hoping for a different kind of Book 6 also.

[FredRocksMySocks]

Well, remember Harry smashed it, so he'd have to repair it first, but that'd be a fun tradition to continue in future books. I hope the mirror is not forgotten.

[Drusilla]

Harry didn't open the package because he didn't want to lure Sirius out of his house,and into danger.He didn't know what it was,which is why he didn't think of using it before.

[SiriusBlack13]

If Harry hadn't smashed it:angry: he should have given it to Dumbledore to keep him updated as to what was going on with him. And is it just me or does Dumbledore always go away when Harry needs him. Perfect solution!

[harryfantotheend]

Not that I want Ron to die...but...if Harry finds the other half of the mirror, gives it to Ron and Ron carries it with him wherever he goes...and one day Ron does die :'( and then Ron is in the "world of the dead", with Sirius and Harry's Parents. Then, Ron would be able to pass the mirror around, and have Harry talk to everyone....

What do you guys think?

[ravenclaw02]

Not that I want Ron to die...but...if Harry finds the other half of the mirror, gives it to Ron and Ron carries it with him wherever he goes...and one day Ron does die :'( and then Ron is in the "world of the dead", with Sirius and Harry's Parents. Then, Ron would be able to pass the mirror around, and have Harry talk to everyone....

What do you guys think?

Oooh how sad! I think that the mirrors are probably how the Order members communicate with one another (didn't Sirius or Lupin say that the Order had ways of speaking to each other without using the Floo Network or Portkeys? I know that someone did ...) I bet this isn't the last that we see of those little mirrors. I bet that Ron and Hermione get them in Book 6, and that Harry's gets reparo'd. I can't see JKR bringing it up at the end like that and then not having them be significant in some way. I hope that Harry can somehow chuck one through the veil - this way Sirius and his parents could talk to him from "wizard heaven" without ickle Ron having to die!!!

[tjrih]

How interesting it would be if Harry were to 'chuck' the mirror thru the veil, but everyone is assuming that it would be Sirius to retrieve his mirror. I would not assume that everyone on the other side of the veil wants to be bothered and would be in a sociable mood. You have to remember the low-life characters that have died in the past, and how much fun that might enjoy causing grief in their afterlife without consequences. How many veils are there anyway? There is the one in the MOM and the other we have seen in Hogwarts. Sorry to trod on so many other threads........

[IceKat55]

How interesting it would be if Harry were to 'chuck' the mirror thru the veil, but everyone is assuming that it would be Sirius to retrieve his mirror.
That might be crazy enough to work...

If Sirius wasn't dead when he fell through the veil (and he might not have been...a jet of red light is only a stunning spell, and we don't know for sure if the light was red or green), then he may be a "solid" form trapped in the world of the dead that can recognize another "solid" object. Chuck the mirror into the veil, and he might just be able to retrieve it...

[RemusLupinFan]

I've always thought that Sirius kept his mirror with him at all times in case Harry tried to contact him. If this was the case, he could have had it with him when he fell behind the Veil. This then opens up the possibility that, if Harry were to repair his mirror, he could communicate somehow with Sirius. I hope this will happen in future books: maybe Sirius could warn Harry about things from beyond the Veil.

Like so many other people, I too was mad at Harry for forgetting it in a time where it would have been extremely useful. Although here's what JK has to say about the subject:
The mirror might not have helped as much as you think, but on the other hand, will help more than you think. You'll have to read the final books to understand that!
That is a quite a confusing and contradictory statement, but I guess we'll have to do what she says and read the final two books.

[Atorina]

this is an absurd theory...but maybe kreacher took it! now its being used to keep track of harry? wild guess and its probably not true!
but i think that in future books the mirror might have a bigger role then being able to contact sirius!

and ur right about the reparo spell....i think it could be fixed in a jiffy!

[FredWeasleyJr]

wen has something being broken ever stand as a problem in the wizarding world?!!? i mean come on people the possibilities are endless we know there are charms that repair things back to their normal state or whatever (oculus reparo). i think the mirror will be of some significance in the future just because JK doesnt add many things in her books without them making a difference at some point in the future

[Nagini04]

I read on Jo's website that the mirror will in fact become very useful in the future. Though I do not know exactly how this will be, I'm pretty sure that it will be more useful than just to have some communication with Ron or Hermione. I guess we just have to wait and read!

[Theodorre]

I read on Jo's website that the mirror will in fact become very useful in the future. Though I do not know exactly how this will be, I'm pretty sure that it will be more useful than just to have some communication with Ron or Hermione. I guess we just have to wait and read!


I agree totally!

[GryffindorGr]

wen has something being broken ever stand as a problem in the wizarding world?!!? i mean come on people the possibilities are endless we know there are charms that repair things back to their normal state or whatever (oculus reparo). i think the mirror will be of some significance in the future just because JK doesnt add many things in her books without them making a difference at some point in the future
I always thought by that silly superstitious myth about mirrors breaking would produce seven years of bad luck. Well Harry's had too many run ins with 7 years alone bad luck with the Dursleys and more.
by Nagini04
I read on Jo's website that the mirror will in fact become very useful in the future. Though I do not know exactly how this will be, I'm pretty sure that it will be more useful than just to have some communication with Ron or Hermione. I guess we just have to wait and read!
I wonder if Harry can speak to the mirror like the mirror spoke in Snow White to the Evil Queen. (I mean, if some other person comes up in the mirror besides his own reflection and Sirius's; I doubt it) Mirror's seem generally neutral minded don't they?

[glàs]

BAH! you all are forgetting something....well...Sirius said that he and james used it too talk to one another in detention, ok so we know that the marauders used it, so they would have used their nicknames IE:Padfoot to activate the mirror, cuz if a teacher found them with it and spoke their real name it wouldnt work obviously, and they wouldnt get in trouble for having it. and dont you think sirius would have had the mirror in his pocket or something at all times if Harry needed him. And about the fire in umbridges office, well lupin and sirius thought it was something really urgent too worry about him wasting time to switch forms of communication, and then were sidetracked as they relived old memories. reminiscing can take a lot of time lol. but the only wrench in the plan is that harry cant repair his mirror over the summer..cuz i dont think you can do magic outside of school until after your 6th year. just my opinion.

[GryffindorGr]

BAH! you all are forgetting something....well...Sirius said that he and james used it too talk to one another in detention, ok so we know that the marauders used it, so they would have used their nicknames IE:Padfoot to activate the mirror, cuz if a teacher found them with it and spoke their real name it wouldnt work obviously, and they wouldnt get in trouble for having it. and dont you think sirius would have had the mirror in his pocket or something at all times if Harry needed him. And about the fire in umbridges office, well lupin and sirius thought it was something really urgent too worry about him wasting time to switch forms of communication, and then were sidetracked as they relived old memories. reminiscing can take a lot of time lol. but the only wrench in the plan is that harry cant repair his mirror over the summer..cuz i dont think you can do magic outside of school until after your 6th year. just my opinion.

Nah, we didn't forget about all of those. :)
Isn't it interesting that the fireplace, and the mirror seem to be forms of communication?
I wonder if Harry can communicate with his glasses? lol.

ETA:
Oh! I just had a thought (maybe it's been mentioned before) :huh:
But if the wizard fireplace can be a place of traveling from one place to another, just like the fireplace is the form of communication; can too the mirror be a form of traveling? http://www.hp-lexicon.org/magic/devices_h-m.html
Looked up mirror in HPlexicon again to see how much more can be used.

[Nagini04]

lol about the glasses! However, the post by glas made me think that maybe since the Marauders did use the mirror, is it possibe that it kept some form of them imprinted?Maybe the mirror cannot connect between the living and the present world, but maybe it can comunniate between the past and the future? I don't know if this makes any sense, but it just occured to me...

[GryffindorGr]

lol about the glasses! However, the post by glas made me think that maybe since the Marauders did use the mirror, is it possibe that it kept some form of them imprinted?Maybe the mirror cannot connect between the living and the present world, but maybe it can comunniate between the past and the future? I don't know if this makes any sense, but it just occured to me...
Hm, good one about the past imprint but wouldn't that be in the pensieve for all the memories already imprinted? I guess the mirrors could be another form.

The past and the future communication. Wouldn't that tie in to the theory of what Hermione or DD said? That if you saw your future self the conseqences would be shock you. Maybe it's not so bad if the person communicated with other people besides their future self?

(Harry with his communicating glasses. lol. That's like his own futuristic walkie talkies?) :D

[SquibOnline]

Harry smashed his

[glàs]

squib online.....reparo..the mirror can be fixed. but does the mirror work like a telephone..like since he said sirius was the other mirror "ringing" and sirius would have to pick it up. but i still like my padfoot theory.

[mrs_lupin]

As of now there's really no reason for the mirror. Sirius gives it to Harry at Grimmauld Place and after that we here nothing of it until Harry tries to contact Sirius, fails and smashes the mirror into the bottom of his trunk.
There was really no significant reason for JKR to include this plot point in OotP. So, I have a feeling she's got an alteria motive and that it'll prop up again.

Remember that Harry doesn't throw it away after it breaks? JKR makes a point of mentioning that he keeps packing the trunk ON TOP OF the broken mirror - he doesn't dispose of it.
Otherwise Harry could've just smashed it on the ground and threw it out.

BTW: I wonder if Sirius tried to contact Harry through the mirror after he heard about Harry's dream. Before he went flying off to the Ministry of Magic it's plausible he would've tried to make contact, don't you think?
Mind you, by this time Harry was probably on his way or already at the Ministry, so he wouldn't have heard the mirror alerting him.

[HJP]

BAH! you all are forgetting something....well...Sirius said that he and james used it too talk to one another in detention, ok so we know that the marauders used it, so they would have used their nicknames IE:Padfoot to activate the mirror, cuz if a teacher found them with it and spoke their real name it wouldnt work obviously, and they wouldnt get in trouble for having it. and dont you think sirius would have had the mirror in his pocket or something at all times if Harry needed him. And about the fire in umbridges office, well lupin and sirius thought it was something really urgent too worry about him wasting time to switch forms of communication, and then were sidetracked as they relived old memories. reminiscing can take a lot of time lol. but the only wrench in the plan is that harry cant repair his mirror over the summer..cuz i dont think you can do magic outside of school until after your 6th year. just my opinion.

Good thinking. Maybe he will repair the mirror on the train to school and talk to Sirius then.

[niffler12]

Yes, Harry could fix the mirror with a simple " reparo!" but remember that even before he broke it, Harry asked for Sirius and nothing happened. So I doubt that he'll miraculously be able to speak with Sirius in the after world. But I do think there was a reason for the miror. Jo said that it's the first time Harry doesn't let his curiosity get a hold of him. And so he has forgotten it. It could also be a metaphore of Harry and Sirius, Sirius doesn't appear in the mirror and so Harry is frustrated and "shattered". Jo also said that the mirror might hold more signifigance than you think, it might not. We'll just have to wait and see.

For glas,
That's a brilliant theory. I hadn't thought of using their nicknames. But if it did work, if Harry could see and talk to Sirius and possibly James again, it seems that it would take something away from the story. Kind of make it cheesey. I miss Sirius as much as the next person, and I still cry at the Mirror of Erised scene in SS/PS. But the loss is something Harry has to deal with, and understand that death is a part of life. Hard and bitter as it is, this prepares Harry for the losses to come and there will be a lot. Sirius is dead. I've got a feeling all that we'll be seeing of him in the last books is more on his past, Lupin reminising of old days, memories. And if you've noticed, memory is a running theme in the books. Like I said, we'll just have to see.

[Kimmetje]

Yes, Harry could fix the mirror with a simple " reparo!" but remember that even before he broke it, Harry asked for Sirius and nothing happened. So I doubt that he'll miraculously be able to speak with Sirius in the after world.

I must agree on this as Sirius wasn't there first and won't be there again. I also think that what Nearly Headless Nick was right; 'he went on' and this would mean that he went to heaven or hell or something. I doubt the mirror'll work, but it would be interesting if it does.

[stargarbage]

I think that the mirrors are how the members of the order communicate with one another. Remember Dumbledore told Harry that they have a better method of communication with one another than Umbridge's fireplace.

[IceKat55]

I must agree on this as Sirius wasn't there first and won't be there again. I also think that what Nearly Headless Nick was right; 'he went on' and this would mean that he went to heaven or hell or something. I doubt the mirror'll work, but it would be interesting if it does.
Someone (forgive me, I don't recall who!) had a great theory that Harry may have called the wrong name in the mirror...he should have said 'Padfoot'...

I still think he should just take it & go stand in front of the Mirror of Erised. :D

[Classical_Wizar]

i think i said the same thing in another thread but i dont think you are thinking of me. maybe the mirror of Erised would show Harry Sirius again like it did with his parents.

[meg2089kul]

I don't think that the mirror will be used to communicate with Sirus. Harry might be able to talk with him again if what Luna said about the veil is true, but I doubt that he'll use the mirror in that way. It will definitely help him in some way. I supposed you could say that the two-way mirror is kind of like a fellytone. :p But how he'll use it, I have no idea...

[DanRadCrazy]

i was talking to a friend about the mirrors and this is his theory so sorry if im wrong. but isnt it that harry couldnt talk to sirius through them after he died becasue sirius didnt have his? so if its at his house or something then could harry take sirius' mirror and slip it under the veil and maybe someone could take it and use it? if not then i dont know how else they would be important. jkr said they were important in some ways but not others so i guess we'll just have to wait.

[IceKat55]

i was talking to a friend about the mirrors and this is his theory so sorry if im wrong. but isnt it that harry couldnt talk to sirius through them after he died becasue sirius didnt have his? so if its at his house or something then could harry take sirius' mirror and slip it under the veil and maybe someone could take it and use it? if not then i dont know how else they would be important. jkr said they were important in some ways but not others so i guess we'll just have to wait.
That's a really nice idea, but since there are just too many unanswered questions about what/where exactly is behind that veil....well, like you said, we won't know 'til Rowling tells us!! :D

[cmscrapgirl]

Hey, Harry can fix the mirror!!! In one of the books I remember, Ron or someone broke a teacup but Hermione did some kinda spell, and the teacup was back, as a whole!!! So the mirror CAN be used again. The only way it cannot is if Harry threw the shards down the drain. I totally agree with you, jmk. I am pretty sure we have not seen the last of the mirror, nor our beloved Sirius.

Yeah, Reparo is the spell that would repair the mirror. And Jo did say the mirror would have significance in Books 6 and 7.

[disasterfaery]

im curious how the mirror will be significant. any ideas?

[Nicole]

Yes, Harry could fix the mirror with a simple " reparo!" but remember that even before he broke it, Harry asked for Sirius and nothing happened. So I doubt that he'll miraculously be able to speak with Sirius in the after world. But I do think there was a reason for the miror. Jo said that it's the first time Harry doesn't let his curiosity get a hold of him. And so he has forgotten it. It could also be a metaphore of Harry and Sirius, Sirius doesn't appear in the mirror and so Harry is frustrated and "shattered". Jo also said that the mirror might hold more signifigance than you think, it might not. We'll just have to wait and see.

For glas,
That's a brilliant theory. I hadn't thought of using their nicknames. But if it did work, if Harry could see and talk to Sirius and possibly James again, it seems that it would take something away from the story. Kind of make it cheesey. I miss Sirius as much as the next person, and I still cry at the Mirror of Erised scene in SS/PS. But the loss is something Harry has to deal with, and understand that death is a part of life. Hard and bitter as it is, this prepares Harry for the losses to come and there will be a lot. Sirius is dead. I've got a feeling all that we'll be seeing of him in the last books is more on his past, Lupin reminising of old days, memories. And if you've noticed, memory is a running theme in the books. Like I said, we'll just have to see.

We have evidence that the Vanishing Cabinet (smashed by Peeves in CoS) may have been repaired to a functioning state (twins push Montague into it in OP), so repairing Sirius' mirror is entirely likely. I like the idea that Harry used the wrong name when trying to contact Sirius and I think it will take a chat with Hermione to figure it out. If/when that conversation takes place will be up to JKR, though, won't it?!

[xtoots10x]

Earlier or maybe on another post someone said something about there being a veil in Hogwarts... I don't remember this and was just wondering where it was... Thanks a bunch

[Libertine]

the fact that he left all the shards of the mirror in the trunk are important, i think, because of that useful "Reparo!" spell. i doubt sirius had the mirror with him when he went to the DoM, I bet it's at 12 Grimmauld Place and Harry will find it there, give it to Ron, and they'll use it..of course those mirrors are very dangerous if they fall into the wrong hands...like what if kreacher finds it before harry does, and gives it to lestrange, who gives it to voldemort?

that name idea is interesting, although wouldn't sirius have told harry, you have to say padfoot to get in touch with me? anyway, harry doesn't have a marauder's nickname..maybe it's time he came up with one.

[morgiana]

HP may find the second mirror at #12. He can then repair the other one. He could give it to Ron or Hermione. Why does it always have to be the boy? I 'd give it to HG she's the smarter of the two.

SB may have the other mirror and HP just hasn't said the "magic word".

I thought SB could have given HP more info about the mirror and he could have used it sooner. I do realize this would have changed the storyline. The inevitable fight would still have taken place at some point and SB might be alive.

I'm sure we have not seen the last of this mirror. I can't see why JKR would introduce it if she doesn't plan to use it later.

[atherella]

HP may find the second mirror at #12. He can then repair the other one. He could give it to Ron or Hermione. Why does it always have to be the boy? I 'd give it to HG she's the smarter of the two.

SB may have the other mirror and HP just hasn't said the "magic word".

I thought SB could have given HP more info about the mirror and he could have used it sooner. I do realize this would have changed the storyline. The inevitable fight would still have taken place at some point and SB might be alive.

I'm sure we have not seen the last of this mirror. I can't see why JKR would introduce it if she doesn't plan to use it later.

The mirror is definitely coming back, it's just a matter of how it will be important. I don't think it will be able to be used to communicate with Sirius, but somehow, I think it is going to help Harry in some major way. Wish I could be more conclusive, but I have no definitive ideas just yet.

Why did Harry have to forget the mirror he had been given by Sirius in 'Order of the Phoenix'?

JKR - I can’t give a full answer to this, because it is relevant to books six and seven. However, the short answer is that Harry was determined never to use the mirror, as is clearly stated in chapter 24: ‘he knew he would never use whatever it was’. For once in Harry’s life, he does not succumb to curiosity, he hides the mirror and the temptation away from himself, and then, when it might have been useful, he has forgotten it.

The mirror might not have helped as much as you think, but on the other hand, will help more than you think. You’ll have to read the final books to understand that!

[xtoots10x]

ARE THERE TWO VEILS....:angry: Just wondering this was posted by me before. someone else said this i can't remember where though

[Lucybird]

I'm sure it'll have some significance otherwise there would be little point to Jo putting it in. Maybe somebody impportant hasm one too and will contact Harry using it, although Harry will have to fix it first of course

[Tane]

Well Harrys is shattered- so he'd need to fix it. And Sirius' is probably at his house. So I think that if Harry fix his and get Sirius and gives it to Ron they coudl use it. It woudl be a memory of Sirius and his Dad.You mean like shattered dreams for Harry who wanted to live with his godfather.

The one thing that worries me about this mirror is that we all assume that Sirius never used it to contact Harry but would we really know as Harry found it still in his trunk. I mean what if Harry fixes it and Sirius tried to use the mirror to try and stop him from entering the ministry. What if the message is stored and released after Harry fixes the mirror, the last words he hears from his godfather might be just to tell him to not go there, how bad would Harry feel if that is the message left after fixing the mirror.

[MagicMuggle]

Have you ever thought that maybe Sirius and James weren't the only ones with the mirrors...Perhaps Remus and Peter have one as well...

Considering that J.K.R. said the mirror was going to play a signifigant part, maybe it won't be a part between Sirius and Harry, but Harry and Lupin. Now that his second father figure is gone, he may just as well turn to the person who knew his father the next best, Lupin. Since Harry broke his mirror, I don't think it can be fixed just by a simple reparo spell...So, I think it's a possibility that Lupin could somehow get a hold of Peter's old mirror and give that to Harry instead. What do you think? Am I making any sense at all? If not...I'm sorry...I'm rather sleepy! ;)

[Ravenclawgurl]

i think that the spell hermione used on harrys glasses would work for the mirror.i mean, after all, a mirror is just glass.


so what if its fixed???does sirius have it??or is it at the house??

[Faeriefire]

there's magic in the mirror as well to make it work, which was probably damaged when Harry smashed it. Like when he smashes the bowl he was soaking his hand in, They flew back together, good as new, but there was no returning the Murtlap essence to the bowl. JKR did hint that more was coming with the mirror, so it will most likely be repaired, I'm just saying that a simple 'reparo' won't cut it.

[Ravenclawgurl]

there's magic in the mirror as well to make it work, which was probably damaged when Harry smashed it
true, but since jkr did say that the mirror would have some importance with the books to come, they will fix it somehow.mabey flitwick (charms professor) will fix it.

[Thestrals2]

I thought I read somewhere that JKR said the mirror will come back into play in later books, but that confuses me becuase Harry smashed it by throwing it in his trunk at the end of book 5, will he think it useful later and repair it- but then there's the whole problem of finding the other one so the first one can acutally be used. Maybe Sirius did have it when he went through the veil- but if so, woudln't Harry have been able to contact him when he said his name into the mirror? Maybe it just means Sirius was still in some transition or something..and will possibly be able to contact Harry in the 6th or 7th book

[Kain]

1. I think the mirror can be easily fixed using the "reparo" spell.

2. Extract from J.K.Rowling official site's FAQ:
Why did harry have to forget the mirror he had been given by Sirius in "Order of the Phoenix"?
'I can't give a full answer to this, because it is relevant to books six and seven. However, the short answer is that Harry was determined never to use the mirror, as is clearly stated in chapter 24 "he knew he would never use whatever it was"... The mirror might not have helped as much as you think, but on the other hand, will help more than you think. You'll have to read the finals books to understand that!' J.K.Rowling
Yes, ladies and gentlemen. There's actually more to it, as we thought!

[MagicMuggle]

Have you considered this?
Have you ever thought that maybe Sirius and James weren't the only ones with the mirrors...Perhaps Remus and Peter have one as well...

Considering that J.K.R. said the mirror was going to play a signifigant part, maybe it won't be a part between Sirius and Harry, but Harry and Lupin. Now that his second father figure is gone, he may just as well turn to the person who knew his father the next best, Lupin. Since Harry broke his mirror, I don't think it can be fixed just by a simple reparo spell...So, I think it's a possibility that Lupin could somehow get a hold of Peter's old mirror and give that to Harry instead. What do you think? Am I making any sense at all? If not...I'm sorry...I'm rather sleepy! :)
It was on the tail end of the last one and I wasn't sure if anyone saw it... :D

[niffler12]

I don't think that theres the chance Harry and Sirius will be able to communicate again. That would only cheapen it, cheat it of the heavy, nearly tangable weight that we feel with the loss. The tragic irony born from Harry's noticing the mirror only too late makes it more real. Sad and down right tear jerking as it all is to see our favorite lad having to go through this...it is so nescessary. Harry smashing the mirror in his trunk and piling his stuff on top of it allows it to go on, to follow him. Much like all the guilt, anger, frustration and misery will follow him. And just like all of those emotions disapate through time, so will the tragic reminder the mirror gives. It may also inspire an emotion to move on, to carry on with strength, to resist, stand against Voldemort...straight back and proud.... A lot can be interpreted from the mirror, metaphorical, it's role in the future, what have you; the point is there will be a moment in which it is made plain to Harry, Sirius is dead. And yet there is still tommarow, the sun will rise and set, and he Harry will continue, defying evil by merely existing... the mirror may be what leads him to realize this.
To the boy who lived, cheers.

[BlackChidori]

there's magic in the mirror as well to make it work, which was probably damaged when Harry smashed it. Like when he smashes the bowl he was soaking his hand in, JKR did hint that more was coming with the mirror, so it will most likely be repaired, I'm just saying that a simple 'reparo' won't cut it.

The 'no returning the murtlap' was because it had soaked into the carpet, and Harry doesn't know any spell to dry it out of the carpet or whatever.

The Murtlap wasn't really a spell or magic, it is just a potion (even though Severus calls Potion making magic, you know what I mean)

A Repairing Spell would work on it, I think.

Anyway, I was thinking Harry will be able to contact Sirius, but only talk to him just once. Not like calling him everyday.

It might be that Harry talks for a while then Sirius all of a sudden says "They're coming, they found out I have the mirror, we're not supposed to be able to communicate, Harry, remember to-" and he gets cut off or something I don't know, but if Harry boy contacts Sirius then it'll probably be a one time thing.

[Sophie Patil]

I don't think that harry will ever be talking to sirius again. jk rowling said that at the very beginning she had to decide what magic could and what magic couldn't do. and even magic can't help return someone from death. when you're dead you're dead. that's it.
I think it is possible that he will talk to sirius like to a memory. like with tom riddles diary or the people in the pictures - but he's gonna be talking to the dead sirius, but some part of him that has been preserved within the mirror. if he does talk to him at all. I don't think he will...

[SquibOnline]

Yup probably will

[MagicMuggle]

I don't think that harry will ever be talking to sirius again. jk rowling said that at the very beginning she had to decide what magic could and what magic couldn't do. and even magic can't help return someone from death. when you're dead you're dead. that's it.
I think it is possible that he will talk to sirius like to a memory. like with tom riddles diary or the people in the pictures - but he's gonna be talking to the dead sirius, but some part of him that has been preserved within the mirror. if he does talk to him at all. I don't think he will...

For a certain reason, I believe that we will hear more about Sirius even if he has passed on. I think that Harry will find someway to communicate with him. (Or at least thats what I want!) hehe. Anyways, I believe that Sirius will be a signifigant in background information, rather than real life in Harry's case. I'm not saying that he will come back to life, but bring out a lot of information.

A bit off topic, but when Sirius did go through the veil, and Lupin told his that he wasn't coming back, (My heart broke:() it gets me wondering what Lupin knows about it... Speculations anyone? :)

[Nicole]

*bump*
This is also being discussed in Divination in The Broken Mirror At The Bottom (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=41540).

[jamandvlad4eva]

It has been proved through out the series that object can be reparied by magic. I am not sure if this also applies not object such as the mirror that have magical qualities. Opinions on this anyone? Can magicial things that have powers such as the mirrors did be repaired by magic. This is the only thng that is stopping me from believing that Harry will talk to Sirius via the mirrors...

[Nicole]

There was a valuable Vanishing Cabinet that Peeves smashed in CoS. In OotP, Fred and George pushed Montague into a Vanishing Cabinet. If the cabinet is old and valuable, it may be rare enough that Hogwarts only has one. If it is the same one, it was obviously repaired to a functional state. (Not sure if it still functions the way it did before repair if it is the same cabinet...) I know that doesn't help much, but it is a potential repair item.

[Meldy]

Jo said that mirror will be very important. And I think it´s role is to comunicate Sirius and harry.
I don´t believe sirius is dead but trapped behind that veil.

[sanvanos]

Where's Sirius mirror? Maybe he carried with him when he died. If that was the case, the mirror has probably disapperaed behind the "veil", but maybe there's a way of getting it back. But Sirius might have left the mirror at his house, so any of the OotP or Harry himself could search it over the house and find it. If Harry go the two mirrors, he could give one of them to Ron or another person, so they could communicate, and that could bring a lot of possibilities.

If Sirius' mirror is never found, Harry may keep the other mirror as a nostalgic object to remember his godfather, because it is useless if there's just one mirror (if there isn't the other one, it's impossible to communicate).

However, I think it may have been also Sirius' fault. If he had told Harry WHAT was it when he gave him the mirror, I'm sure Harry wouldn't have forgot and would have remembered and used it more times.

But Sirius DID tell harry what is was. he even told him Sirius and HARRY's FATHER, used is to keep in contact, hwen they had separate detentions.

You all talk of the mirror as something unique. I would expect it to go for no more than a couple of galleons at Diagon Alley.

That would be quite right. but as the name says, the mirrors are Two ways, an other pair would not be able to show this specific mirrors image..

[Wickedgirl86]

I'm sure the mirrior will be fix. And even if the other one that Sirius had is no use now, I'm sure once Hermione hears how they worked she could make some more. Then the Trio could have like walkie talks! It would come in handy no? Think about it.

[GinnyPotter101]

If Lupin finds out that Harry has the mirror and the other mirror is at Grimmauld Place, then they may have an inside eye into the Dark Order (if the Malfoys get Grimmauld Place). I was thinking about this and also why sirius had to die and now i realize there were several reasons--
1. He kept making Harry want to disobey DD (your less like your father than i thought) and Harry would just get into trouble if he stayed around.
2. He wasnt a big help to the order. We KNOW Snape won't die soon, because then where would DD get his info about the DE's and VOldy.
3. THIS IS MY FAVORITE ONE... He was on the run from the MInistry and most people thought Harry and Dumbledore were whacked already. If they came out with some story about how voldemort returned at the MoM and Sirius Black was really on thier side, how many people would believe it? Even if CF and other witnesses were there (DD probably put some memory charm on them, he is crazy.... and that Potter Boy, He'll do ANYTHING for attention) It was much easier for Sirius to just die rather than have to explain EVERYTHING that happened in POA AGAIN...

[LedZeppelin]

Two thoughts on the mirror:

1. It just occurred to me that had Harry discovered the mirror earlier, he could have confirmed that Sirius was NOT in danger and would still be alive today..........

2. More importantly, the future of the mirror. I would assume that Sirius had it on him when he fell through the veil. Hence, any future importance to the mirror would have to do with making contact with the other side...........I wish we knew more about that veil! (I believe DD called the room where it existed the "Death Chamber")

Yes your right Sirius would be alive today..but think of the other "good" things that occured because of Harrys rash act:

1.) Dumbledore is back at hogwarts, Hogwarts is back to normal, his name is cleared, the general public is aware that voldemort is back, and the Ministry is not in denial about Lord Voldemorts return, all of which IMO is a huge accievment if it only cost one persons life.

2.) And i don't think sirius would have brought a bulky mirror to the MOM my bet is that its someware at his house, and we may see Harry find it again but i doubt it will play any importance in the future.

[Morgan]

My thoughts on the mirror...

I reckon JKR might've let Harry find it, try and reach Sirius and then throw it in the trunk and let it be broken to underline for the reader that Sirius was actually dead and not coming back. She might want to show us that the mirror will not be a way for Harry to communicate with Sirius from beyond the Veil. Had the scene with the mirror not been in the book we would be discussing wether or not Harry would be able to contact Sirius with the mirror. So it might just be underlining that he is dead.

BUT...I think there is more to that mirror than just that. There is something about the way it's shattred at the bottom of the trunk and how she writes that Harry throws his other things on top of the shards. Glass is fixable with magic, it's a simple spell, Hermoine does it very matter of factly on the Hogwarts Express when someone closes the compartment door so violently that the glass breaks (can't remember wich book now). I reckon it will appear in book six and play an important part. I can't even begin to guess how but I reckon it will not lay un-noticed at the bottom of Harry's trunk... :)

[Hermyoninny643]

:upset: Even though Sirius' death was tragic to us all... I think it was just as tragic to JKR. I also remember reading a question received by JKR something like "What about Sirius?". She went on to say that when she killed Sirius when first writing the book, she broke down crying to her husband, and that she was depressed for weeks. So I think that if she were that depressed, that Sirius is truly gone for good. If JK would have him coming back there would be no need for her sorrow.

[Allemande]

I think that the mirror will be fixed using reparo, because in GoF, when Ron shattered the glass door in their train compartment, Hermione was able to fix it in that way.
Also, a thought:
When Harry was trying to see if Sirius would be able to talk to him in the mirror, he said 'Sirius,' and 'Sirius Black,' but not 'Padfoot,' which is how I thought him and James would have been able to talk to each other....maybe Harry will try that in HBP

[Glee]

That mirror brings up so many questions

if Harry had used it at the right moment, Harry would not have gone to the ministry, that whole scene would have never existed, and the ministry would not know about Voldemort's return.

if you change things the way you want it, more turns bring you to different dilemnas, it drives me crazy!

[TheSnidget]

That mirror kills me. Whenever I reread the bit where Harry unwraps it, it's awful. Every time, I'm like, if only Harry had been unwrapped that present, he would have been able to contact Sirius and would have known that the dream was a fake! Why didn't he open it! Why? Oh, I really hate that bit.

[winky22]

i don't think that sirius would have had the mirror with him when he went through the vail. and i don't think harry will be able to contact S through the vail either. what i'm thinking is has lupin and pettigrew got one as well and maybe harry can contact lupin through the mirror. i know that sirius said it is a set of two and him and james used to contact each other when they were in separet detentions. but what if he just plain forgot to tell harry that lupin had one as well.

[WoodenCoyote]

These are my various theories/muses etc, that I brought up in the other Mirror thread which is now locked.

More than one mirror:
I know James and Sirius were seen as best friends, but what about Remus, for whom they went through years of difficult and very dangerous training to become illegal animagus for? I think people discount how close all four boys were. I think its possible that all of the Marauders had similar mirrors.

Peter the sneak:
Peter could have used his spy on his friends during the war. All he would have had to do was say James, Remus or Sirius' names and, if they had their mirrors on them at the time, he'd be able to hear whatever they were talking about. It would have been a useful tool.

Remus:
If they are a set, why didn't Sirius tell Harry about Remus having one too? Well, it could simply be because he might not have his anymore. It could have been confiscated like the map or broken, he could have stuff it in a drawer somewhere after he thought all his friends had died or betrayed him [ since it would have been useless at that point, not to mention a painful reminder of what he'd lost ]
Or, the one Harry had could have been Remus' in the first place.
We know Sirius has one of the set, its probably the same one he's had since they were kids. He wanted a way to communicate with Harry, so he bugged Remus into giving over his. I suspect the one Harry smashed didn't belong personally to James for two reasons - 1) James' mirror would have probably been destroyed when their house was blown up at Godric's Hollow, and 2) Even if it wasn't, how would Sirius have gotten a hold of it anyway? And why would it have been in Grimmauld Place [ he couldn't have left the house, so unless he sent someone else to go fetch it, presumably, that's where Sirius' was ]


[ yes, Virginia, I did copy this post out of my ones. But that's because I'm lazy and don't feel like typing everything again :p ] :rotfl:

[Glee]

We know Sirius has one of the set, its probably the same one he's had since they were kids. He wanted a way to communicate with Harry, so he bugged Remus into giving over his. I suspect the one Harry smashed didn't belong personally to James for two reasons - 1) James' mirror would have probably been destroyed when their house was blown up at Godric's Hollow, and 2) Even if it wasn't, how would Sirius have gotten a hold of it anyway? And why would it have been in Grimmauld Place [ he couldn't have left the house, so unless he sent someone else to go fetch it, presumably, that's where Sirius' was ]


good point! I can really see how the mirror might not have been James' in the first place. But it also might not have been anybody's. Sirius' could have had one of those suckers in his house or he could have gotten it from any other place.

if Peter (the rat) has a mirror, what is he using it for currently? It could be some death eaters have them, but did he know that maybe Remus or Sirius had them? Is he able to spy on them?

Harry's mirror, broken at the bottom of his trunk, is a constant reminder of his mistake. What is the usefulness now that Sirius is gone? He might be able to contact Sirius with it, but I dont think so. There is something about the veil that is REALLY important and it would be so refreshing to get my hands on that information.

Luna said something about the voices behind the veil and I've been wondering what she meant by it ever since she said that. Luna should be of some importance in the next book, though she is kind of odd :huh:

[Wickeddude343]

I hope Sirius isn't permanently out of the picture. It's just, Sirius has always been Harry's main connection to his dad (ignoring Lupin). It would be weird.