The new Minister

[Euthrel]

Who will succeed Mr. Fudge?

He is bound to be overthrown shortly..

[Llopin]

Percy.

Nah, just kidding. I don't think he's very old, so now that he's allied with Dumbledore, I think he'll last for more time. About who coul succed him, I have no idea.

[psychofan]

hopefully arthur weasley

[Euthrel]

Yes.. against all odds.. But it would be great..

Although.. JK rowlings often like to astonish us... But this might be to much.. Unless Arthur saves the day ;)

[Carbito]

I seriously doubt it would be Mr Weasley, he is to low down. Also should'nt this be in "Predictions & Theories"?

[Llopin]

Yeah, that'd fit better in the Predictions forum.

But Arthur would be too unbelievable as the Minister, and I don't think he'd like the job. Besides, I'm sure Fudge has better choices, like the people in the Wizengamot.

[Euthrel]

Yes ofcourse.. We are not predicting.. We are fantasysing.. Or how that word is spelled =P

We just noted that it would be fun if Arthur was to become the minister

[psychofan]

well, if Fudge does leave the Ministry, i don't think it will be by choice, therefore his input on a successor will probably not mean a lot. i would like to see arthur weasley take his job, but alas, i personally do not see Fudge's job being open in book 6...

[Alastor D]

If Fudge is clever enough, which I doubt, to swallow his pride and take advise from Dumbledore, he might be able to stay. But i hope not.

[Llopin]

If he doesn't act like a retard anymore and acts as a good minister, searching for Voldemort and defending places, he may stay, but all this is rather unlikely. It'd be nice if he got killed.

[1MelissaPotter]

I thought Lucius Malfoy would have a chance since he is o so persuasive. But now that he is known as a Death Eater I doubt he will now. I want Arthur Weasley to be the next minister. Hes a very good person, but not that well known I don't think.

[JofpGallagher]

Arthur Weasley prefers his current job. I don't remember in which book he said that he hasn't grow (Professionally) because he does not want it. No ambitious which is opposite to Percy's point of view. I may think it will be a new character.

[Llopin]

Maybe someone from the Wizengamot. I was thinking about Percy but that'd be going too far.

[NeedAM!nT]

If Fudge ever sides with Voldemort, then maybe he would let Lucius out of jail and then Lucius would become minister. But I hope that doesn' happen.

I think Percy might get a little consided with himself and try to overthrow Fudge and become minister.

[Oddfellow]

I would like to see an ex-auror be made the minister.

Kinsley Shacklebolt- Mace Windu

[Tsar]

Amelia Bones is a likely candidate and she would be acceptable to the Member of the Order of the Phoenix as her brother Edgar was a member and was killed fighting Voldemort.

[Capella]

Ah, Amelia Bones, I wouldn't have thought of her. Good choice Tsar. I'd like to see it being Arthur though - I think he deserves it. I don't know how good a minister he'd be though...

[You-Know-Who]

Ron did made a joke about his dad being the MoM...

[Mr Ollivander 382]

Originally posted by Tsar (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=410914#post410914))
Amelia Bones is a likely candidate and she would be acceptable to the Member of the Order of the Phoenix as her brother Edgar was a member and was killed fighting Voldemort.



:clappy: :clappy:

I second that , it's time for the MoM to have a female minister ...... ;D



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[Llopin]

I think the Amelia Bones idea is good, but I can't see Arthur. He doesn't seem his type of job, and he stated he didn't want to be more important in the MoM. He isn't ambitious like his son is.

[Jessica]

There is a thread about this in the Predictions area:

http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12044

[Thuldorn]

Well Umbridge is looking for a job now that she's "retired" from being headmistress at Hogwarts

[marspeach]

Please don't scare me like that, Thuldorn!

[ERut]

Umbridge... fat chance. The ministry, including Fudge, will all be siding with Dumbledore now, so I dont think he will get overthrown at all. Imagine how many people it would take to do that. It would be like overthrowing the President or something.

The thing about Mr. Weasley liking where he is was said by Ron, but it was just an excuse, he doesn't really like being so low on the totem pole.

Come to think of it, do we even klnow how the minister of magic is elected/appointed? Do they have terms or is it a lifetime thing?

[Siriusly]

Arthur Weasley would be a perfect MoM. The war against V could really show the wizard world how wrong it is to be biased against muggles and non pure bloods that Arthur gets elected due to his muggle protection act and other knowledge of muggles. Remember thatn Fudge had to go tell the muggle authorities when Sirius escaped Azkaban so muggles could be alerted about him too. Arthur could usher in a new spirit of acceptance and cooperation between the muggle and magical worlds.

[jordmundt6]

Fudge will do the smart thing and rely heavily on Dumbledore now, so he won't get pitched out until Dumbledore and/or the war takes a horrible turn. He's safe until at least the end of book 6. I have no idea who will be asked to pick up the pieces if Voldemort is defeated. Remus and Arthur would be good choices but neither of them have enough pull to get appointed (if they survive, which is by no means certain).

[Tsar]

My vote still remains for Amelia Bones as MoM


1. She is on the Wizengamot and has a great deal of judicial and governmental experience. 2. She Head of the Magical Law Enforcement Division which means she has had experience with dementors and Death Eaters. 3. Plus her brother Edgar was a highly respected wizard who was a Member of the Order of the Phoenix untill he was killed by Death Eater. 4. I believe her to be a member of the Order although I doubt that it will be revealed.


Arthur Weasley would make a good Deputy Minster because of his ability to act as a Liasion with Muggles.

Mad Eye Moody as head of the Magical Law Enforcement Divisioon. 1. He has extensive experience tracking and fighting Death Eaters. 2. He has an extensive knowledge of the Dark Arts that probably riavls Snape's. 3. As an Auror he would have extensive experience with Dementors. 4. He is Tenacious and is less likely to be the victim of a surprise attack now.

[Christine Black]

During the book Ron said that they have as much chance as winning the quidditch cup as his dad has becoming the minister of magic. They won the quidditch cup so maybe Aurthr will become the MoM.

[Tsar]

Perhaps he will but I doubt he has the seniority or the willingness to do so

[Thyme_of_Change]

I also have to agree with Tsar. Amelia Bones would be a fair Minister and definately not as bigoted as Fudge. But I can see Lucius Malfoy trying to take over!

[Mutant for Hire]

Something to bear in mind is that Voldemort's forces are vastly outnumbered this time around. Assuredly he will break his Death Eaters that were captured out of prison. Dementors are dangerous but there are spells that can stop them. The giants are going to be a tough fight but if the giants were all that overwhelming on their own they wouldn't have been driven back to the edge of civilization.

The most sensible strategy for Voldemort to do is to cause chaos, and to make every assassination attempt by the Death Eaters count. In Voldemort's position I would assassinate everyone of competance in power, and arrange for incompetant replacements. As a result, all those positive qualities that Tsar lists are the reasons that I think she's very high on the Death Eater's list of people to bump off. She's got a very valuable position and it's exactly the sort of position that you don't want anyone who knows what they're doing in charge of.

Incidentally this strategy is one of the reasons incidentally that I can see Arthur Weasley rising up high. Lucius Malfoy has nothing but contempt for the man, and would assume that Arthur in a position of power would be nothing but incompetant. They might through their remaining agents try to get Arthur up into a position of power and assume he'll botch the job. They might be rather shocked to see what Arthur Weasley can do when he applies himself.

[Amadeus]

I think he will stay... Dumbledore clearly isn't interested in getting that job... well... better Fudge than Percy or Umbridge.

[Ecthelion]

Speaking of Ministers...who was the minister of magic the last time Voldemort was strong? It wasn't crouch, because everyone said he'd get it after the war was over...and it wasn't Fudge, because somebody said that since Crouch was stained by the fact that his son was a death eater, they gave Fudge the job.

So who was it?


As to the original question, I think Fudge will remain to be Minister.

[Goblin-crusher]

When I first saw this thread, Bones was my pick, b/c her brother was in the Order. Good pick, Tsar.

We should also look at Griselda Marchbanks, who resigned from the Wizengamot when they appointed Umbrige as High Inquisitor ("Hogwarts is not a branch of Cornelius Fuge's office, this is just another attempt to discredit Albus Dumbledore"), and who was the head of the committee giving the O.W.L.s. She is loyal to Dumbledore (she gave him his Transfiguration N.E.W.T.s), and therefore, loyal to Harry and the Order. Remember, we don't know who all the member of the Order are, so she may be one of them.

[Tsar]

Mutant for Hire that is an interesting theoryy and one worth taking in to consideration well done.

Griselda Marchibanks is a good pick I agree Goblin Crusher you have raised some good points

It is also remotely possible that Fudge has a turnaround and heeds Dumbldore's advice

Lleugenell I doubt Percy or Umbridge will get the Job

Percy --- is too young
Delores --- disgraced the Ministry by her independent and illegal action


the possible Candidates

Amelia Bones
Cornelius Fudge
Griselda Marchibanks
Arthur Weasley

[DsX Phoenix]

I don't think we will see a new minister now that Voldemort's return has been revealed as truth. Most people will circle around Fudge, who I am sure will try to be the best leader possible, and very few people will want disorder and confusion that a new minister could bring.

Although, I could be very much mistaken, about this. I mean, Book 5 was very political, so we might see this continue on into the last two books.

[jordmundt6]

I admire your optimism. Unfortunately, Fudge has opened himself up to all the same kinds of criticism that was thrown at Chamberlain:blush: after the invasion of Poland. If he leans heavily on Dumbledore and doesn't interfere with the Order of the Phoenix, Dumbledore may be able to save him temporarily. If, however, he attempts to stick to his guns (Fudge has convinced himself he's the clever one after all) he will be toppled. Whether he's toppled in time to save Magical Britain is an entirely separate question. Regardless of what happens in the immediate future, at the close of the war (if Harry succeeds), he will be "kindly encouraged" to retire, to "go quietly." And he doesn't have the guts not to. So this is a valid question. Who will be appointed? Dumbledore, if still living? Harry if he's the hero of the war? Neville as the hero of the war? Arthur Weasley? Perhaps Shacklebolt or somebody of that stature whose both committed to truth and well respected for his lineage? We'll have to wait for the epilogue.

And who will Voldemort's successor be? Bella? Lucius? Draco? Hitherto unnamed baby Riddle (conceived by Bella)? JK has hinted in web interviews that there will be a successor to Tommy and all of these seem possible given the last book.

[Tsar]

Jordmundt6

The point is very apt indeed and well stated except that
At the time of the start of the Second World War Neville Chamberlain the son of Sir Austen Chamberlain was PM having succeeded Stanley Baldwin in 1937. David Lloyd George was PM from 1916 to 1922 after succeeding George Asquith in 1916.

http://www.britannia.com/gov/primes/prime46.html

I would also use Stanley Baldwin as an example that is similar to Fudge especially during his third ministry from 1935-37

http://www.britannia.com/gov/primes/prime44.html






Peace
Tsar

[DsX Phoenix]

Well, if you mean, "stick to his guns" as in denying Voldemort's return, he has already admitted he was wrong. If you mean trying to arrest Dumbledore for treason, well, I think if he had wanted to do such a thing he would have had his aurors try to arrest Dumbledore when he was at the Ministry.

And yes, I am sure he will be removed after the war, but I do not think he will be anytime during the stories, except maybe during the last chapter of the 7th book.

[harryton]

i think he will stay in his position, but he will admit that he does needs Dumbledore.

[jordmundt6]

Sorry I screwed up the history. Lloyd George was in charge when the first storm broke. My history professors will kill me.

Sorry, Chamberlin. Grr. Appeasment. Very sorry for the mix-up.


Dsx--No. I mean trying to control Dumbledore and making boneheaded decisions and then trying to hamstring Dumbledore when he makes the right ones. For instance, I don't think Fudge will be trying to send emissaries to the Giants any time soon (and he wouldn't even if Dumbledore told him there was great hope of success). He won't be offering the goblins or the house elves necessary freedoms (the house elves won't mind, but the goblins certainly will). And he most definitely will not head into British forests bowler in hand and apologize to the centaurs for being an ignorant human, but the magical world needs their help because the rise of the Dark Order will affect even those who've voluntarily secluded themselves. He just won't do it. He is very like Umbridge in his anti "half-breed" stance ("I haven't got TIME to listen to house elves"). I'd be willing to bet that Umbridge rose as fast as she did because she and Fudge shared those ideas. That's what I mean. Friction over strategy, even with a common goal could very easily be the doom of Britain and more. If Fudge "sticks to his guns" about this stuff, he'll be finished.

[DsX Phoenix]

But, see, most wizards do not feel that they need to give these "lesser" magical creatures any freedoms, so these mistakes would not hurt him during the war.

Yes, they most certainly could hurt the good side of the war, but not Fudge's political standing. In fact, it could even help a little, as many wizards I am sure would be extremely upset if Fudge dealt with other creatures with the respect they deserve.

This ignorant and supremist view is what helped Voldemort get to power the first time, as many wizards agreed with his anti-muggle views, as I am sure it will also help him in the second war, as well.

[jordmundt6]

No, I'm not saying that most don't agree with his supremist views. What I'm saying is that his total inability to fight the war without outside help will force him to either negotiate or watch Britain fall under Voldemort's sway. I think everyone but the Blacks would say at that point

"LOOK! We're about to be SLAUGHTERED! We NEED their help. Promise ANYTHING now. We can always renegotiate when the Death Eaters are gone." If Fudge is unwilling even to make the pretense of an offer because it offends his sensibilities, he will be toppled.

[Mutant for Hire]

Something everyone should bear in mind, now that I'm thinking more about the situation is this: Fudge is not the Ministry of Magic. The Ministry of Magic is huge, with dozens, perhaps even hundreds of wizards in it. Fudge is just the leader of the organization, and the one for whom credit or responsibility ultimately falls.

Now consider the situation on the rank below Fudge. The Department Heads, I'm fairly confident. Look at how they feel about Cornelius Fudge right now. The man has created a terrible mess and worse, embarrassed the Ministry and cost them a lot of public confidence. First he refuses to believe Voldemort was back when in fact he was (and whether or not they believed Potter is besides the point), Then they pretty much give Voldemort a full year to do things like free the Death Eaters, recruit allies, and prepare a strike into the Ministry of Magic itself. Oh yes, and give undercover Death Eaters like Malfoy and Macnair a full year to do what they like inside of the Ministry. Even if word doesn't leak to the public that Fudge was taking gold from a Death Eater, there is interdepartmental gossip.

Dumbledore and Potter go from madmen to heroes and the Ministry is forced to eat its words. They now look like incompetants. Dumbledore, the greatest magician alive and the Boy Who Lived now look more reliable and compentant than the Ministry, and neither of them are in the Ministry. And Dumbledore does not look too favorably on Fudge and the Potter boy is actively hostile to Fudge. Given the fact that these two are instrumental in the fight against Voldemort, having them alienated from the Ministry is not a good idea.

The question is, to the senior officials in the Ministry, is Fudge a liability or an asset to the Ministry in this time of crisis? The answer is pretty clearly that he's a liability right now. I doubt any of them have any confidence in Fudge's ability to lead them through a crisis without Dumbledore's help, and Dumbledore doesn't like Fudge. Having the Potter boy's support would also be useful and as long as Fudge is in power, Harry is not going to be too fond of the Minister of Magic.

The best thing to happen for the Ministry is for Fudge to resign at once, taking full responsibility for the mess. Someone new, someone who can get the public approval of Dumbledore and the Potter boy, announce a renewed approach to dealing with the problem, can take charge. Preferably one who can make a decision in a crisis. The public will be happy that the incompetant who screwed up is out of office and that they have someone new to take command of the situation, someone who always believed in the two of them from the start.

No, Fudge won't go along with it, but in politics, there are ways to force the issue. If the department heads unite against Fudge, they can get nasty. There can be an inquiry into the legality of the smear campaign against Dumbledore, and tons of officials will report how they were forced to do illegal things against the two heroes against their will for fear of their lives by threats by Fudge. Fudge has the option of retiring quietly and getting a decent pension or being sent to prison. Fudge likes power, but I bet he likes his freedom even more than that. In the end, I think he could very well resign quietly while the Ministry selected a new Minister (or whoever selected the new Minister did it).

[jordmundt6]

Of those choices, Amelia Bones makes the most sense by far. My question is, who the Wizengamot judges who resigned in protest? Ogden and somebody else. One of them might be a good candidate, but I think Amelia is the best of the list. She has the most respect, she has experience handling crises and what passes for military situations and she's on good terms with Dumbledore and would listen to his input, possibly allowing him to make diplomatic suggestions while she streamlined the Ministry and organized a defense. She'd be a great choice.

[Tsar]

Mutant for Hire you have put your finger on the crux of why the selection of Amelia Bones or Griseda Marchibanks and to a lessser extent Arthur Weasley have been suggested as successors to Fudge

Jordmundt6 Marchibanks was the other judge who resigned and it was she who conducted Dumbledore's NEWTs in Transfiguration


I deleted my earlier post in order to make the conversation flow more smoothly

[Alastor D]

Originally posted by Ecthelion (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=421737#post421737))
Speaking of Ministers...who was the minister of magic the last time Voldemort was strong? It wasn't crouch, because everyone said he'd get it after the war was over...and it wasn't Fudge, because somebody said that since Crouch was stained by the fact that his son was a death eater, they gave Fudge the job.

So who was it?


The last minister before Fudge was Millicent Bagnold (page 88 UK edition).

A clue? Didn't Ron say something like the chances for Gryffindor to win in Quidditch were as good as his dad becoming minister? And Gryffindor won that Quidditch match.

[jordmundt6]

Ron and his prophetic sarcasm again eh? I suppose that means that Minister Weasley's first order of business will be to give his son a funeral with full honors including a posthumous Order of Merlin First Class. Gryffindor's chances of winning the Cup were pretty good even if Ron screwed up because Ginny had his back and would do just about the same thing that Harry did.

Although Arthur would probably make a great MoM, the cards are much more strongly stacked against him than against Gryffindor.

[Mutant for Hire]

For all that everyone wants to see Arthur Weasley as the next Minister of Magic, I don't think that's going to happen. What I can see happening is Arthur becoming the Senior Undersecretary to the new Minister of Magic, Umbridge's old position. With Fudge out, I doubt whoever Fudge appointed to Umbridge's job is going to last terribly long. Arthur doesn't have the experience or the clout or the connections to become the new Minister, but in his new position he'd certainly be in the position able to develop those things.

So the falling out would be:

Amelia Bones, Minister of Magic
Arthur Weasley, Senior Undersecretary to the Minister

[Prof.Aze]

I would like to see Arthur Weasley as the new minister. I would like to see them have a nice house and all those that a minister gets i like to see him get it. Because he is a nice person. That's why.

[jordmundt6]

There are plenty of well-paying positions that aren't the big cahuna's job. Plus, how good is Arthur at organization, really? The only space he has in the Burrow all to himself is the shed and its a beautiful, lively mess. Do you really want him trying to organize an effort to resist Voldemort and restructure the Ministry? His heart's in the right place and his ideas are good, but he's not very well suited to either of those positions.

[GaryGag]

If JKR's foreshadowing holds up, it will be Arthur, only because it's poetic justice and because of Ron's comments about winning the Q Cup. Of course, Arthur will donate most of his salary to a charity (S.P.E.W.?) and remain poor.

[Llopin]

Nah, it won't be Arthur. Remember that he stated that he didn't want to go up in the Ministry, that he liked his current job. He isn't ambitious like his son, so i doubt he would accept the responsability of being a Minister. I guess it will be another person, amybe the vice miniter (if there's any).

[Mutant for Hire]

Arthur may like his current job, but with the whole mess in the Ministry right now, and the danger of Voldemort abroad, likely as not he will accept higher responsibilities. He is more than capable of making sacrifices for the greater good, especially with his family's future on the line.

My personal feeling is that Arthur Weasley becomes the new Senior Undersecretary to Amelia Bones, the new Minister of Magic. She is going to get assassinated by Voldemort in book seven and Arthur Weasley put into the positon of Minister of Magic at the end (possibly because everyone else is too frightened to take the job). Of course when Weasley shows competance, Lucius Malfoy is going to decide to do something final and permanent about Arthur Weasley. The final battle between the two of them will take place. Arthur owes Lucius ever since book two for Tom Riddle's Diary. It's going to be payback time.

I also have a nasty feeling that some Muggle artifact is going to turn the tide of the battle between the two of them.

[Tsar]

Mutant for Hire that is a very interesting scenario and a possibility I think

[ERut]

When did Arthur Weasley ever say he liked his job? I remember Ron saying it as an excuse, but I dont think that Mr. Weasley is actually happy there.

Also, what could happen that could cause Mr. Weasley to fall into the limelight and get appointed minister or senior undersecretary? Right now he is pretty insignifigant.

[Llopin]

I don't remember the book where he said so, but I'm sure he did. Also, although I'd like to see him there, I'm sure he's not the best for the job. The ministry is big, and there are many persons who could get the job, including the members of the Wizengamot. Amelia Bones would do well in my opinion.

[ERut]

Agreed, they're not just gonna draw a name from a hat...

[Prof.Aze]

Amelia Bones can do good but won't DD get the job if ever they would appoint him?

[ERut]

They already tried to appoint him before Fudge, he said he didnt want the job.

[jordmundt6]

They tried to appoint him when Millicent Bagnold retired but he wanted to stay at Hogwarts. He won't shift his position now. It's clear now more than ever that he needs to be at Hogwarts to work with Harry.

[FredRocksMySocks]

Good thread!
I do hope that fudge is overthrown lol, but I doubt it'll happen. Who would take over then? Hm...probably somebody JKR hasn't introduced, or hasn't played up much in the books. It would be a nice relief, though, a new MoM.

[Tsar]

A note on Millecent Bagnold apparently she was MoM of Magic from about 1970 to 1990

[jordmundt6]

Just 1970? I think you could probably add five years to that but yeah, Fudge's first year in control was Harry's first year at Hogwarts. Odd because I would have thought that old Corny would have hopped into the position right after the Crouch trial. Humph.

Amelia's a good candidate, but I think they need her where she is. Unless they bump somebody like Kingsley up into her spot? That might be nice. Arthur loves his little hole in the wall job because it gives him an excuse to study as many Muggle artifacts as he can get his hands on. He would like a slightly better office and a bigger staff because his title is really an umbrella for whole lot of junk. He works with committe on Experimental charms and the Muggle-worthy excuse committee, etc. etc. etc. But something I don't think you folks understand about Senior Undersecretaries to the Minister. They're basically figureheads who boss other people around. Arthur's a people person. He'd hate being stuck behind a desk all day giving orders. I still think our new Minister will be among the youngest ever appointed AFTER the war is over and I'd say a member of the new Trio or rather the REAL Trio--H, H, & N as opposed to H, H, & R.

[Marcy]

I still think it is possible that Arthur will become MOM...but probably not until the end of book 7...maybe even the epilogue that JKR says she already has written. He may perform some very public heroic act during the war that gets him elected as the next MOM...but I think fudge is safe where he is for now.

[GryffindorSeeker]

Wouldn't some one other than Fudge be a relief?
Shame he can't be out of office already. There are several good points on whether or not Arthur would be minister of Magic. In my opinion, he'd be a good one, but as has been said, he likes his job, but that doesn't mean it can't happen. Who else do we know that would be a good choice?

[jordmundt6]

A regime change means near total chaos, and Voldemort thrives on chaos. They'd be playing right into his hands.

[London_luv89]

I want Mr. Weasley to be the new Minister of Magic, but I doubt he'll take the job, I think that Fudge might keep his job for a little more time, maybe it'll be a new character :huh:
We'll find out in 2 or 3 years lol :lol:

[Zachary1993]

It could be Dumbledore but if he were chosen he would probably say no so that he could stay at the school he loves to work at the school. It may be Snape or Mcgonnall.

[giantsquid28]

Snape as MoM?? That would be scary. A former DE in charge of the British wizarding world? That would be pretty dangerous. LV would probably be expecting some support from him.

[Cindy]

I hope it's Arthur Weasley or Amelia Bones. I'd love it if Mr. Weasley becomes the MoM and the Weasley family no longer have to be poor. It's time they had a good time without having to worry about money. Believe me I know what it's like to be poor. :)

[Picko]

It's hard to really make a guess this way or that regarding this piece of information. The greatest stumbling block we have is that we don't know how the Minister is selected or even how a Minister loses their postion.

Arthur Weasley is a reasonable chance while we don't know the system. He might be junior in regards to Minstry position but he has support from the right type of people particularly through the likes of Dumbledore. The one thing that we can pretty much be sure of is that it'll be someone we know - either good or bad.

[jennymac]

now that we know for sure there will be a new minister, i've really started to wonder who. i'd love for arthur weasley (or molly!) to become minister. that's who i'd vote for (is that how it works?) if i were a witch. otherwise, i'd say dumbledore, but he turned it down once and i'm sure he wants to be where harry is. maybe ms. bones. :) she seemed to be very kind (and much smarter than the rest of them :D) whoever becomes minister, i hope at least arthur gets promoted and get a BIG raise!

[Fuchsia]

It may very well be someone we don't as of yet know. I don't think we can even guess. Our scope of that world isn't very large.

[RubberSoul]

It's hard to really make a guess this way or that regarding this piece of information. The greatest stumbling block we have is that we don't know how the Minister is selected or even how a Minister loses their postion.
It doesn't appear that they get voted into office, do they? Judging from Hagrid's quote (PS, British version, p. 51): "They wanted Dumbledore fer Minister o' course, but he'd never leave Hogwarts, so old Cornelius Fudge got the job." I'm not even going to try and guess...

It doesn't necessarily have to be someone that well-respected within the wizarding community, because you never hear about what a great Minister Fudge is. So I suppose Mr Weasley isn't out of the running. Someone said Griselda Marchbanks a while back, but if she tested Dumbledore in N.E.W.T.s, she must be over the hill.

I think the most logical choice for now is Amelia Bones, because she is intelligent, serious, down to business, and a strong model. She's the right type of personality to lead the wizarding world if they're about to enter war against Voldemort.

[MaKaylah]

My perfect day dream tells me that Arthur will get the post. But as I said... it's me perfect day dream! :p

[Tim the Wiz]

Amelia Bones definitely, but Fudge might not be out of his job yet ...

[purplehawk]

He will be, as Rowling has said we'll see a new Minister of Magic. I am intensely interested in how this is to come about. A vote of no confidence from the wizarding governing body (the Wizengamot, I guess) and thus a forced resignation? Then the Wizengamot selecting a new Minister (or Interim Minister, if Dumbledore is persuaded to take the job)? Or will we see Fudge scrapping to keep his job and someone producing a "smoking gun" that will force him out? And where will Deep-Pockets (a certain Mr. Malfoy) fit into it all? Will Fudge stay in office long enough for Malfoy to engineer a leveraged acquittal and release from Azkaban? I wouldn't like to see that happen... Lucius Malfoy is Voldemort's financial arm sure as the world. Of course, Narcissa isn't in jail and maybe it won't be so much of an issue... ?

[Barbara Kennedy]

I'm probably wrong but something makes me think the office of MoM will be open suddenly and unexpectedly. Perhaps Fudge dies or is found out to be in league with Moldieshorts....er sorry, Voldemort?
Who is possibly in line to take over the position in that case?

[Masterfroggy]

If JKR is using the English Political system as a model, it is more likely that Fudge will be promoted (sideways) into some made up job until his political cronies have forgotten about him (and the favours they owe him) then he will be eased out, in to a nice tidy judgeship with a big fat pension, leaving him with his political clout damaged but not destroyed

[Perdita]

Arthur Weasley might get the job becuase of his contact with muggle culture and his knowledge of muggles.

Now that LV is out in the open war, he will start to wreak havoc on the muggle population. There will be a lot of violence and the MOM will need a leader who is knowledgeable about muggles, and someone who is sympathetic with muggles.

[Sirius83]

JKR very carefully chose to have the highest ranking politician in the wizarding world be a minister. Note - a minister. The minister is chosen by Parliment and answers to the Prime Minister. This, IMO, means that who the next minister of magic is may be out of the hands of the wizarding world. The ministry officials could recomment people to the Prime Minister, but they can't choose him. As such, I expect it would likely be someone we haven't met yet.

[Alastor D]

According to the Quibbler, which unfortunately isn't our most reliable source, Fudge was indeed elected. OotP chapter ten.
It's a bit hard to imagine the muggle prime minister appointing the Minister for Magic. If he were to have any role at all, it might be to only confirm the choise of the wizarding community.

[Sirius83]

Hm well that is true. However, I still maintain that it may be a new character. While I think it would be nice for Arthur to get the post, I don't think he would make a great politician. It just doesn't seem his thing. Perhaps a current high ranking official.

[Alastor D]

Of course it could be a new, hitherto unheard about, character. I can't see any reason at all why the new minister would have to be someone we already know.

[rotsiepots]

That's true, Alastor. I remember in pre-OotP speculation everyone had their money on all sorts of female characters to be the new DADA Professor; there wasn't much consideration of the fact that it could have been a new character.

Although I'd like Arthur to be Minister I'm not sure how realistic it is. If the officials behind the Minister's election wanted someone of Dumbledore's calibre the last time around, I daresay that Arthur probably isn't in the same league.

[la_ginny]

That's true, Alastor. I remember in pre-OotP speculation everyone had their money on all sorts of female characters to be the new DADA Professor; there wasn't much consideration of the fact that it could have been a new character.

Although I'd like Arthur to be Minister I'm not sure how realistic it is. If the officials behind the Minister's election wanted someone of Dumbledore's calibre the last time around, I daresay that Arthur probably isn't in the same league.
I agree. I wouldn't mind seeing an interesting new character, though my Weasley love wishes that Arthur would get it. And my poor brain may not be able to process a new character -- this isn't just some new student at Hogwarts. The MoM is going to be very important in the next books and in fighting Voldy. I'm still trying to keep track of all the OotP characters and their goings-on, plus the characters from GoF and previous books that are missing in action. Since JKR has said we'll see so many of them again, I wonder about an old character re-emerging as MoM. Though I doubt that Ludo, Karkaroff, Fleur, Bill, or any other missing characters would make good ministers.

If someone was promoted internally, I think it would make sense for that person to come from the Department of Magical Law Enforcement, since JKR tells us in a footnote in Fantastic Beasts that it is the largest and most powerful of all deparments. And all other departments (except the DoM) report to it. So an auror would make sense, especially with impending war. That's why I'm guessing Kingsley Shackelbolt too. I mean, he managed to modify "the snitch's" memory right under Umbridge's and Fudge's noses. He must be pretty dang good.

[NeuroComp]

yes amelia bones is a good pick since she's one of few heads that we have seen in
the Mom. What about diggory's father or the guy who popped up in the weasley fire place.

My Vote however stands taht AD will get the job however dies and fawkes becomes harry and AW gets the head job MoM after LV is killed

Thus Arthur weasley will get the job though in due time...and by that i mean in book 7 at the end since its highly unlikely that a muggler lover will get it so soon

[Baron_G]

I foresee a large scale reshuffle within the ministry's ranks.

My guesses would be:

Amelia Bones- for Minister of Magic. Her experience as Head of the Dept. of Magical Law Enforcement is what's required. Dumbledore may be offered the post again as well but he would obviously refuse.

Kingsley Shacklebolt- as Head for Magical Law Enforcement in Madam Bones' place. A high ranking Ex-Auror who was responsible for it's important missions.

Arthur Weasley- For his seniority and experience with muggles, he could be made Junior Minister in the Department of Magical Catastrophes, Fudge's old position.

[purplehawk]

I see a large-scale reshuffling too. Bones is the strongest candidate we know for the job - and would seemingly be a breath of fresh air after Fudge. She's friendly to Arthur as well, and that's a plus for him getting a better position. I could easily see Arthur becoming a full minister in the Department of Magical Catastrophes. That's essentially what he's doing now, if you think of all his regurgitating toilet adventures and that business with Mad Eye's intruders in GoF. That's also the department that modified the memories of the camp manager after the World Cup.

As for who would replace Amelia Bones in Magical Law Enforcement, I remember Tonks saying Kingsley was "a bit higher up" than she is, which doesn't bode well for him taking over Bones' position. Tonks also mentioned someone named Scringeour who was asking a lot of questions - so many, in fact, that she and Kingsley had become aware they needed to be more careful. Lupin seemed concerned about this information as well. There was no other mention of Scringeour in OotP, but he (or she) may well make an appearance in Books 6 and 7.

I wonder if some of the more offensive "laws" - Umbridge's legislation that makes it nearly impossible for Lupin to get a job as an example - might be overturned in the near future? Lupin would make an excellent Ministry employee. He's an outstanding teacher of defense against the dark arts, and it would seem that's just what the wizarding community-at-large is going to need in this war. Fudge's "guides to elementary home and personal defense" are not going to be of much help to people who are at risk of an attack from Voldemort, the death eaters, or the dementors. I personally would like to see Lupin take over for Madam Bones in Magical Law Enforcement when she moves into the MoM position.

[Baron_G]

The reason I suggested Kingsley for her post was because he was in charge of the hunt for Sirius. He can't have been put in charge of a more sensitive and high-profile case than that.

[purplehawk]

Yes and no, I think! LOL! He certainly could have been in charge of the hunt for Voldemort had Fudge and his staff not been so muddle-headed.

More to the point, though, Kingsley was situated in the "very last cubicle" in the auror's area. Who then occupied the office in Auror Headquarters? This would be the person Kingsley and Tonks both reported to - and also the person who reported directly to Amelia Bones across the hall in the Office of Magical Law Enforcement. I have a hunch Scringeour might well be the name we're looking for.

[RubberSoul]

That's a really good catch...it would be classic JKR for Scringeour to become Minister - with practically all her characters, she introduces them briefly before later having them become more important to the plot. We hear about Scringeour in OOTP, and his character would develop further in the next book would he become Minister.

[purplehawk]

I don't know about him becoming Minister - I still favor Amelia Bones for that position, but Scringeour could certainly be a contender. I see him as assuming Bones' current position as head of Magical Law Enforcement. Rowling will probably have me eating my words by the time we actually read about him, though. What I really want to see happen is Dumbledore having his way with who gets what position within the MoM. And in getting a more realistic separation of power in place. No Minister of Magic should ever again be allowed to control the Wizengamot and the free press as Fudge did. I would be madder than all get-out if my leaders had deceived me the way we've seen Fudge doing.

[MadMagic]

I'm personally in favor of Arthur Weasley being MoM, but I don't see that happening yet...he just isn't high enough up yet.
Amelia Bones would be an good candidate. She seems to be level headed and fair. Also since she has been effected personally by Voldemort's evilness I think she would be a good person to be in charge of the Ministry during this time.
Whoever the new Minister is they need to be confident and relentless in the 'war' the wizarding world is coming in to.

[NeuroComp]

QUESTION TO YOU ALL: Would Crouch have gotten the nod if he were still alive?

[Baron_G]

Crouch? If he didn't die by his son's wand but it was revealed that he had broken him out of prison? No way.

Btw, if Scrimgeour does move from Aurors to head of Magical Law Enforcement, Kingsley can replace him and be head of Auror Division.

[purplehawk]

Crouch? If he didn't die by his son's wand but it was revealed that he had broken him out of prison? No way.

Btw, if Scrimgeour does move from Aurors to head of Magical Law Enforcement, Kingsley can replace him and be head of Auror Division.


Crouch's secret would have been discovered sooner or later, even if Voldemort hadn't put him under the Imperius Curse and his son freed to impersonate Moody. As things played out, however, most poeple thought he was losing his mind or had already gone quite mad, so I don't think he would have merited much consideration.

Baron, I agree with your last statement. Kingsley would definitely be in the running for head of the Aurors... but let's don't forget Williamson and Dawlish.

[RubberSoul]

QUESTION TO YOU ALL: Would Crouch have gotten the nod if he were still alive?
No...he was disgraced after they found out his son was a Death Eater. I'm sure he was still respected among the wizarding community, but I'm also sure that no one would want someone controlling the wizarding world if they couldn't even control what happened in their own household.

[Tim the Wiz]

Aye, what RubberSoul said.

[la_ginny]

*shrugs* If the whole mishap with Crouch Jr. had never happened -- as in Jr. never left the house, Imperiod his dad, and impersonated a Hogwarts teacher -- then yes, I could see Crouch Sr. getting the MoM nod. That is, if everybody in the wizarding world assumed, as we did at the beginning of GoF, that Crouch was a straight-laced man with a mistake in his past but working hard to get beyond it. I don't think he would be a good choice, obviously, but I could still see it happening.

[Marcy]

My heart is still holding onto Weasley for Minister!

[SeverusSnape]

Marcy is you sig Tonks? lol...thats pretty cool.

I hope the way in which Fudge leaves office is death...anybody else want that?

[Mary Jane]

Though it would be nice for Arthur to have the position, I have to agree that Amelia Bones is the most likely candidate - and she sems like a good one. Unfortunately, I'm without my resources, but I do believe Lupin said Amelia Bones was fair.

[SeverusSnape]

Personally, I don't think we know enough about Amelia yet to claim her as the most likely candidate.

[Doggy]

Personally, I don't think we know enough about Amelia yet to claim her as the most likely candidate.
I agree.

Personally, I don't want Arthur Weasley to be the Minister. I don't know why myself, but it's just that I feel that he and his family are so happy without all the glory and money the position would (probably) win.

About who will be, I don't know. We don't know enough people, and anyway, there's a very big chance that the person will be one we don't know.

But it doesn't seem like the person has to work him/herself upwards along the political ladder like you usually have to in the muggle world. Everyone wanted Dumbledore to be Minister before, and he had never had a carreer in politics (as far as I remember) but was instead a headmaster. Not a very political position, methinks.

Who I don't think it will be is Percy or Umbridge. I'm personally going for the fact that Fudge will be kicked out of his office because he didn't believe in Voldemort being back, and then his secretaries and other assistants probably won't be that popular either.

[purplehawk]

I'm betting money we haven't heard the last of Scrimgeour yet.

[Nycade]

Amelia hasn't been a character we've known for very long, but she seems high up in the Ministry, so it's possible. I wouldn't mind her as Minister. If a character we knew well, who was high up in the Ministry, had to be the one who was Minister, it would have to be Percy, but I can't see that happening. Ever. Nor would anyone want it to be. Personally, I think it might have to be someone outside Fudge's office based on the fact that he was corrupt, therefore no one would want anyone in his office to have control over the wizarding world.

It's hard to speculate based on the fact that we have little idea of how the wizarding government works. In fact, I have to ask- was it ever outright stated in the books that Fudge was going to be fired? I know he deserves it, but I don't recall ever seeing it said.

[harp230]

I think that it will be Arthur Waesley. I do have mixed emotions there though , but given the books I can not imagine it being anyone else. Even though it seems like to large of a jump as far as his job position has been so far, Molly does say in GOF that he has been held back by fudge because of his fondness of muggles. In that case Arthur does have the potential. Mostly I think of what ron said in OOTp : "We've got about as much chance of winning the Quidddich cup this year as Dad's of becoming Minister of Magic" (p575 Brittish)

Took me while to find that quote... Should have has my american... I just about have page numbers down there but anyway...

[Liselle]

Wouldn't it be tragic if Bagman managed to become the minister? No doubt he would have some support, even Mr Weasley seems to have a shine for him! Hopefully history won't be repeated so quickly with another awful leader! God only knows what Bagman would do it he managed to get the top job (Apart from bankrupting the ministry and p*ssing off the goblins!)

Amelia Bones would be a nice option (indeed until Arthur manages to move up the ladder a small bit to be in contention!). With plenty of "influencial" people now in Azkaban I think we can be fairly confident that the next minister will be compatent....at least more so than Fudge. It would indeed be the style of JK to introduce a character, have then disappear only to re-appear again two/three books further on.

Dawlish, Amos Diggory (conspicuous by his absence IMHO), Griselda Marchbanks could be a short term replacement, , Cuthbert Mockridge as head of Goblin Liason office could be one as getting as many other "beasts" onside for the impending war will be important. Blenheim Stalk as he's a muggle expert and communication will probably be important (that and you don't need to be in the ministry before becomming minister like Dilys Derwent) would have to be contenders for the position. Course we may not see a new minister until the end of the series or the epilogue that JK has written where some current student becomes the minister then.

[harp230]

I think Arthur will be in control of all the muggle politics and have to cover up a war. Now that is not an easy task but an important one and who else better to do the job than Arthur. So I think Arthur's job will keep his job and protect muggles through out this war.



Well concealing things from muggles is the main purpose of the Ministry of Magic... They would have a leader that is more friendly towards muggles than say fudge. Oh wait its not anti muggle its wizarding pride... silly me....:blush:

[Liselle]

It's hard to speculate based on the fact that we have little idea of how the wizarding government works. In fact, I have to ask- was it ever outright stated in the books that Fudge was going to be fired? I know he deserves it, but I don't recall ever seeing it said.


from the world book day interview:

miggs: Is there going to be a new minister of magic in the next books?
JK Rowling replies -> Yes. Ha! Finally, a concrete bit of information, I hear you cry!

[Ecthelion]

Well, there's a variety of possible candidates.

1) Amos Diggory - He is higher up in rank then Mr. Weasley. He obviously has quite a bit of influence based on the leadership-role he played in the fourth book. He pretty much single-handed undertook the investigation of the Dark mark in front of a lot of ministry officials....so that says something. He's obviously quite skilled and intelligent, considering his speech and son. So I'd say personally, he's a good contender as he's smart, a leader, an already high-ranked Ministry of Magic official.

2) Mr. Weasley - He's naturally much more skilled then his low-ranked Ministry spot, and he's quite qualified. But other then the Mirror of the Erised, not much is going for him besides skill and a cool intellect. I'd have to say that something irregular would have to happen in order to get him voted as Ministry of Magic (Such as Mr. Weasley doing a great service that gets acclaimed attention).

3) Bagman - Well....always possible, but him being appointed would not bode well for Goblin/Wizard relations, and getting as many allies as possible is a high priority right now, so Bagman I think is wayyyy out of the picture.

4) Dumbledore - Obviously the best choice, but doubtful considering he said he'd never leave Hogwarts.

5) Umbridge - Just thought I'd put her down, just for kicks :) However, it's always possible that Fudge somehow manages to contrive for her to take his spot......

6) Lupin and other members of the Order of the Phoenix and People we saw at the Wizengamot and other Ministry places - Well, they're all qualified enough, but no real distinct chances.

7) Malfoy (Lucius) - I'd say he's pretty far out of contention by now.

[Lupin_Lady]

At the risk of sounding stupid, I"m going to say, Percy. See how fast he has flown up the ranks and he was the assistant to the minister. Besides, wouldn't he love that?

[Nycade]

You don't sound stupid, Lupin Lady... I actually mentioned the same thing awhile back, and I agree as Umbridge and Fudge were both openly corrupt, it makes sense for him to be a candidate. However, I don't think he'd end up with the job. He's too young and inexperienced, and depending on how appointments work (I wish I knew how elections/appointments worked!) he would have little support, both as a part of the same administration that let Voldemort's return get past them, and as a young person with little experience.

I don't think Bagman's a candidate, either... there was that whole scandal about stealing money from the goblins. I think he's in a lot of trouble right now, which wouldn't make him likely for election.

Personally, I think Arthur Weasley would do well, at some point or another. He's well-liked and is overdue for a promotion, as has been mentioned several times in the book. Also, he was one of the people who agreed that Voldemort was back. Although this isn't widely known at the Ministry, I'm sure, people probably had a sense of how he felt. He's also greatly experienced in ministry work.

I do think Amelia Bones would do well, but as a member of Fudge's administration I don't know how well she'd do with getting support. I think she's a high candidate in addition to Mr. Weasley, based on her experience and high position, but I think the latter may also make her a less likely choice. Based on what we know of her, I think she'd be great as Minister. Since J.K. mentioned her without her being a necessary character, I think she's a likely candidate for the simple fact that an introduction to the minister would be necessary for the readers to feel any kinship or any sense of whether he or she would do well. Based on all this, I think Amelia'll be next Minister.

And thanks, Liselle, for the quote... I hadn't remembered that she'd said that. Hooray that Fudge is most definitely gone!

[padfootgrim]

I really think it will be Percy... i dont know i just have a feeling..
:)

[AffectedMangoO]

Im thinking the same as lupin_lady, Percy does have a shot im afraid, he is the assistent of the current minister of magic. Which means he knows what is going on and what has to be done. (except for the voldy-thingy, which is very important, duh) Yet he has suffered a lot of face loss (is this a correct word?)

It would be hard on Mr weasley if his son would get that kind of promotion, though he got offered a promotion many times, and didnt want it because he likes working with muggles. Maybe he doesnt have the ambition to be minister of magic.

[purplehawk]

I think Percy has about as much chance at the top job as a snowball has of surviving in hell.

[Nycade]

Originally posted by AffectedMangoO
Maybe he doesnt have the ambition to be minister of magic.

Very good point, Mango. That could be a deciding factor against him. I do think he'd say yes if offered the job of Minister, but that's only an educated guess... what's to say he wouldn't refuse it again, because he likes where he is. Mr. Weasley does seem to have a lack of ambition, which at times seems a good thing, at times negative.

[Liselle]

Very good point, Mango. That could be a deciding factor against him. I do think he'd say yes if offered the job of Minister, but that's only an educated guess... what's to say he wouldn't refuse it again, because he likes where he is. Mr. Weasley does seem to have a lack of ambition, which at times seems a good thing, at times negative.

I wouldn't say that Mr Weasley lacks ambition at all, he sees his current role as being very important so thats where his priority lies. Didn't Mrs Weasley hint on him being "kept back" by Fudge because of his love of Muggles? Its quite possible that after the war that there will need to be a better relationship between muggles and magical communities and what better man than Arthur to do it? This could be seen as an extension to his current role IMHO.....However now may not be the time for this to happen. Before I'm caught in peck of owls(!) I do know that JK said


Calliope: Are the Muggle and Magical worlds ever going to be rejoined?
JK Rowling replies -> No, the breach was final, although as book six shows, the Muggles are noticing more and more odd happenings now that Voldemort's back.


...but I think that there is still room to improve how wizards view muggles.

[onetruegryffindor]

its could easily be a new character. We know that JRK isn't adverse to bringing in new characters late in the storyline (just think Luna).
However I think it would bring more to the story if it was someone we already know. That way we will have a better idea of what they might be up to.
I agree that it would be wonderful if Mr. Weasley gets it but remember what Percy said. I dont think he's interested to be honest. Now it wont be Mrs Weasley- she's no experience- that's just silly. What about Percy? That would be a nice twist! Mr. Weasley woprking for his own rebelious son!
I tell you one thing though. What about Mr. Malfoy? Now he has a strong case! He could simply buy his way in. And dispose of anyone who accuses him of being a death eater. That would certainly keep me reading!
One thing I will be interested to read will be how they choose a new Minister for Magic. I hope it will be a similar way as they choose our Prime Minister (or President). I should think it would be as the magical world certainly appears just as democratic as we, the muggles, are.
I wonder if the answer to this qestion is just to read on my friends... read on!

[Merrymime]

I also seem to think that Arthur won't become MoM until maybe the very end. I believe he does have the ambition, but right now I think he would just want to focus solely on the war and fighting Voldemort and protecting Harry, etc.

One other thing I haven't heard suggested, though, is that perhaps Fudge won't actually get booted out. Maybe he will just quit of his own accord. I mean Fudge does have some problems and is definitely corrupt, but he wasn't all completely evil like Voldemort or the Death Eaters. Fudge just always seemed too preoccupied with his appearances and his power. He didn't want to believe Voldemort had returned because then people would look to him to make things right and since he wouldn't know what to do, it would make him look bad. But now, he can't deny that Voldemort has returned and I don't think Fudge would want to stay in the postion and admit he was wrong. He'll probably presume people will want to fire him, too, (which is probably true) and so he'll quit before they have a chance.

But, is it possible that Fudge leaving is going to be a bad thing? I mean, do you think that Voldemort, hearing wind of the MoM position being open, would try to get someone on his side in that position. I don't know. Maybe Voldemort wouldn't care. It's just a question I thought I'd throw out. Perhaps Voldemort has spies within the Ministry that aren't former Death Eaters but new ones so to speak and he would tell them to try and get the position. The people electing someone for MoM wouldn't know that person was a servant of Voldemort.

And if Voldemort would do something like this, perhaps it will be Bagman. Voldemort could possibly bribe Bagman to side with him. Voldemort could agree to payoff Bagman's debts with the Goblins if in return Bagman would go back to the Ministry and try to be elected as MoM. I would think people wouldn't want to elect him because he's known as being an idiot. But, on the other hand, he was popular and if no one else came forward wanting the job, he could possibly talk or even buy his way in.

I don't know. All pretty far fetched and really just random thoughts. But, what do you guys think?

[purplehawk]

How can Bagman even be considered? The man is in hiding, isn't he? And wouldn't he be a fine Minister of Magic with the Goblins nipping at his heels?

[pegoheart144]

I think Arthur Weasley will eventually get it. Why? Because Ron made a joke about it. Haven't you noticed that when Ron jokes about something he's usually right.

I also think Amelia Bones is another good candidate. She wasn't aligned with Fudge at Harry's hearing.

As for Lucius Malfoy, I don't think so. People seem to forget that he was caught in the Department of Mysteries and is in Azkaban.

[Prof.Aze]

I still believe that Arthur Weasley will be the new Minister of Magic...

There is just something inside him that tells me that he will become the new Minister of Magic... It just sounds so convincing for me...

[Doggy]

I'd just like to point out that I don't think that not working in the Ministry doesn't necessarily mean that you can't get chosen as a Minister. Dumbledore, for instance, was very popular, and he probably would have become minister if he had wanted to. But as far as I know, Dumbledore has never had a carreer in the Ministry, or politically active (if they have political parties of course). He was just first teacher and then headmaster.

So, technically one of the teachers could get the job (even though I don't think so), opening for two new positions in Hogwarts.

But personally I think the new minister will be someone we've never met before. As onetruegryffindor put it:

its could easily be a new character. We know that JRK isn't adverse to bringing in new characters late in the storyline (just think Luna).

[jordmundt6]

Hawk--I like the theory about the head of the Auror division, but as for Dawlish and Williamson...Williamson seems to be a well-meaning yes-man, what little we know of him. Dawlish, in spite of his functional knowledge seems to be little more than a favorite punching bag. Poor Dawlish, I hope he has better luck with Death Eaters than Order members or he'll be almost as much of a liability as...Ron.

[Liselle]

Dawlish, Amos Diggory (conspicuous by his absence IMHO), Griselda Marchbanks could be a short term replacement, , Cuthbert Mockridge as head of Goblin Liason office could be one as getting as many other "beasts" onside for the impending war will be important. Blenheim Stalk as he's a muggle expert and communication will probably be important (that and you don't need to be in the ministry before becomming minister like Dilys Derwent) would have to be contenders for the position. Course we may not see a new minister until the end of the series or the epilogue that JK has written where some current student becomes the minister then.


My humble opinion! And you're right, you don't need to be a ministry official to become minister!

[purplehawk]

Jordan, I agree with you. I mentioned Dawlish and Williamson only because they seem to be more or less on a peer level with Shacklebolt. I really think this mysterious dude, Scrimgeour, might be worth a close watch.

[jordmundt6]

Oh Hawk--Been meaining to mention this: I think I found Williamson early in OotP. I think he's the redhead with the ponytail longer than Bill's dictating a memo to his quill when Harry gets his first view of the Aurors' office. Kingsley actually seems pretty high up since he was put in charge of the Black search and Sirius was acknowledged as public enemy #1. Yeah, I think that chap should be closely watched for advancement in the next book. As for Amos--I'm sorry but he's the only feasible candidate who's worse than Fudge. Feeble-minded, elitist, opinionated, and not enough power to justify any of it. Yuck! It's Corny version 2.0!:rolleyes:

[Puffskein]

A friend of mine put to me a worryingly convincing case for Lucius sneaking into the Minister position. He can escape from Azkaban easily enough without the Dementors there, and he has to hang on to power or else Voldemort will kill him. So he might use all kinds of Dark methods to become Minister. Let's hope someone stops him!

[purplehawk]

What was so convincing about your friend's theory? Without benefit of having heard it, I can suggest Dumbledore as an effective watchdog against such a thing happening openly. Perhaps your friend sees Malfoy escaping and polyjuicing into one of the front-runners for the minister's job Fudge will soon vacate?

[SnowyOwl]

The only case I can imagine for Lucius (once he is out of prison) is that he is calling in his debts from those he has donated to for years. We know he is well-connected and that he has been working the system. But, even this argument seems weak in view of his prison time. He would have to be able to efficiently blackmail many of the more powerful people to get high enough numbers.

I'm going along with the Amelia Bones theory. Tough, but fair seems like a good option for the wizarding community. I would also like Arthur as undersecretary, as he has shown himself to be a good networker despite being shunted into an out-of-the-way little office.

I'm a little concerned that whomever gets the position of Minister next is going to be a marked individual--which is why I prefer it to not be Arthur yet.

[Merrymime]

Yeah, I like the Amelia Bones theory, too, actually. It makes quite a bit of sense. But, since it makes so much sense and is a likely choice, that also makes me think maybe not. JKR usually likes to surprise us.

But, whoever it is, remember, he/she will be a marked individual like SnowyOwl said, so we may have to worry about their decisions and whether or not he/she's being controlled by the Imperious Curse. Remember Arthur commenting on how difficult things were back when Voldmeort was in power; you couldn't tell who was being controlled and who was acting of their own free will.

Maybe the new Minister will be heavily guarded by the Order.

[Jonny Boy]

Ludo Bagman, Amelia Bones or some other head of Department.

[Sarmi]

Hmmmm, I wonder how many have suggested Arthur Weasely???? But I can see Amelia Bones becoming the new Mistress of Magic. However, didn't JKR state that it would be a new Minister of Magic???

Oh well.

Sarmi

[purplehawk]

I don't think there's a distinction for males and females holding office, Sarmi. Millicent Bagnold was Minister of Magic before Fudge.

[Merrymime]

Maybe it'll be Stan Shunpike. He told the Veela in GOF at the Quiditch World Cup that he was about to become the youngest ever Minister of Magic. I don't really know why they would ever elect Stan, though. I doubt it'll happen, but I thought I'd say it just because I don't think anyone else has. ;)

[jordmundt6]

Hawk's right Sarmi--the title doesn't change with the gender of the titleholder, like Prime Minister of England doesn't change with the titleholder's gender. I think Amelia is a strong candidate, if they can spare her.

[Liselle]

Maybe the new Minister will be heavily guarded by the Order.

Wouldn't it be great though if one of the order became minister.... :tu:

[purplehawk]

It would be, yes, but I'd be almost as happy to see Arthur's office be elevated to the upper echelons of the Ministry - and to see Lupin in charge of some kind of office of preparedness, or whatever they might call it. Arthur handling muggle issues and Lupin training the everyday wizard-joes to protect themselves against Voldemort and his groupies and minions would be way cool.

[Nymphadora*]

I don't know who would be elegiable to be Minister, butm Fudge in my opinion might not be Minister for long. I think the magical community and public will be upset that he was so blind to see that Voldemort was back and didn't take further preparations and take the necessary precautions and steps to begin fighting back. They will feel mislead and unimformed that he didn't tell them anything about Voldemort. They will be angry, and may want someone-most likely Dumbledore to run.

My guess of who would be Minister would be Dumbledore-however, i think he may not take the job like in the past.

[jennymac]

i dont know if anyone has mentioned this or not yet. but i was re-reading OOTP and saw this: "Oh, no," said Dumbledore with a grim smile. "I am not leaving to go into hiding. Fudge will soon wish he'd never dislodged me from Hogwarts, I promise you..."

what did dumbledore do? i think since nothing has happened to fudge YET, it's safe to assume dumbledore's "promise" hasn't been carried out yet. Is this the reason we get a new minister? Is dumbledore wanting to take over himself or just get someone competent in office?

[pegoheart144]

what did dumbledore do? i think since nothing has happened to fudge YET, it's safe to assume dumbledore's "promise" hasn't been carried out yet. Is this the reason we get a new minister? Is dumbledore wanting to take over himself or just get someone competent in office?
I don't think Dumbledore would leave Hogwarts. He'd be more interested in getting someone competent to fill the office. They had already offered him the job and he refused it.

[jordmundt6]

Bingo. I think Dumbledore was merely talking about teaching Fudge a lesson. We know that he wants to stay at Hogwarts, close to Harry but he does want someone competent, well, more than competent, in the Minister's position--someone who'd look favorably on Order strategies until Voldemort had been neutralized.

[Pegasus]

One other thing I haven't heard suggested, though, is that perhaps Fudge won't actually get booted out. Maybe he will just quit of his own accord. I mean Fudge does have some problems and is definitely corrupt, but he wasn't all completely evil like Voldemort or the Death Eaters.
Hm-hm-hm. I still like the theory on The North Tower, I believe it is, regarding the Death Eater that Voldemort believes is gone forever...I'd attempt a link, but I'm not yet computer-savvy enough.

[Liselle]

i dont know if anyone has mentioned this or not yet. but i was re-reading OOTP and saw this: "Oh, no," said Dumbledore with a grim smile. "I am not leaving to go into hiding. Fudge will soon wish he'd never dislodged me from Hogwarts, I promise you..."

what did dumbledore do? i think since nothing has happened to fudge YET, it's safe to assume dumbledore's "promise" hasn't been carried out yet. Is this the reason we get a new minister? Is dumbledore wanting to take over himself or just get someone competent in office?



I always thought that Dumbledore was going to make life a little awkward for Fudge but re-reading that quote made the hairs on my neck stand on end.....did you notice that no one else who found out that Dumbledore had "left" was suprised about it? He could have gone to drum up support (I don't think he would need to do that) or I keep thinking at the back of my head that he went to the giants, I'm not sure why just a hunch I have.

I think its safe to say that Dumbledore is going to be more ruthless and clinical with his dealings with Fudge....I can see (eventaully) Fudge returning to the wet bag or a minister he was unable to make a decision without Dumbledore (now Malfoy is in prison) and Umbridge being discredited completely and he may be convinced to go quietly by the great man himself.

hmm what was Dumbledore doing.....

[purplehawk]

Perhaps, in light of his comment that Fudge was going to resent dislodging him from Hogwarts, Dumbledore was canvassing his loyalists on the Wizengamot and laying the groundwork for Fudge's removal. I asked this question once before in the first Layers thread - or maybe this one, who knows? We didn't come any closer to an answer.

[mr.berts'n'botts]

Bones- yeah pretti sure she might take over
malfoy prolly won't take over since everyone pretti much knos he's a deatheater...

[Falchman]

Arthur Weasley or Dumbledore.

[jennymac]

I don't think Dumbledore would leave Hogwarts. He'd be more interested in getting someone competent to fill the office. They had already offered him the job and he refused it.I agree. i think he would've long been minister by now if that is what he wanted. he loves the school and it's very critical at this point in time that he remain by the students to protect them. besides harry still being there, the students themselves are very vulnerable without dumbledore.

I'm a little concerned that whomever gets the position of Minister next is going to be a marked individual--which is why I prefer it to not be Arthur yet.again, i agree here too. i would REALLY rather arthur not be the minister at this time. i'm afraid for his life anyway.

i do have a question though. for those of you who want arthur to be minister, but not RIGHT NOW, is it because you are afraid for him, or because you don't think he can stand up to voldy. (physically and mentally) or both!

because they wil need a minister who will ALWAYS be able to stand up to and combat evil forces, such as voldy and the DE's. not just now. ALWAYS. is arthur capable of handling voldy, and if he is, why wouldn't he be a good minister now? and if he isn't, do we really want him as a minister after this is all over, years down the road? cause i'm sure voldy will not be the last dark wizard to try this. and who know when this will happen again?

just a random though. if it wasn't for evil people, arthur would be a great candidate. unfortunately, i just don't think he's right for minister.

there is something about amelia bones...she was brought up briefly, and somehow she seems important...i think she was brought up for more than "harry support" at the hearing. i think she will play a very important rold later...perhaps minister. it just seems that she played too much of an important role in the ministry, yet she was only brought up for a chapter, and was just left at that...there has to be more to her in this story.

[FirefightingMuggle]

Just as an odd twist, I can see Lucius Malfoy taking over for a brief stint as MoM. It could be a mid-late book 6 thing that would end before the middle of book 7, when he is replaced by Arthur Weasley.
Lucius takes over when he fools other top MoM people into believing that he's not a Death Eater. He pays some people off to put him in power and Imperius Curses others into supporting him. It wouldn't be the first time that Malfoy has used tactics like this to have his own way. (remember CoS when he controlled the Hogwart's Governors?)
So he takes over in mid-book 6 after Fudge is diposed, Dumbledore dies fighting him towards the beginning of Book 7, giving Harry the motivation to go after Voldemort and the Death Eaters for the final battle. Following the end of Voldemort, Arthur Weasley exposes Malfoy for what he really is and becomes the New MoM.
It certainly would make life interesting, considering that with Malfoy as the MoM, Hogwarts could be vulnerable to a DE attack.

[herbertsandbach]

If Percy becomes MOM a lot more stories can come from that. Arthur working for his son,Fred and George making fun. There are several theories on here about Percy's true opinions and feelings.Penelope Clearwater would become more central too. Having said that Amelia Bones is more realistic and her steady hand would contrast with fudges mess of things but wouldn't really create much story.

[Liselle]

We don't need much more of a story though, we're five sevenths through the book at this point. Percy is too young in my opinion to become minister and anyway it would take away from Harry who these books are actually about in the first place!

[Doggy]

We don't need much more of a story though, we're five sevenths through the book at this point. Percy is too young in my opinion to become minister and anyway it would take away from Harry who these books are actually about in the first place!
I agree, especially about Percy being too young. Besides, working as a Junior Undersecretary (or whatever he was) to the former minister probably doesn’t mean that a person will be the next minister, especially if the last minister was kicked out of office (which is what I believe will happen, because of the whole Voldemort-thing).

Anyway, let’s not forget that we only have met a small part of everyone who works in the Ministry. The odds of the new minister being someone we don’t know are pretty high.

Besides, do you have to have worked in the Ministry to be minister? Everyone wanted Dumbledore to be minister before, and he worked as at Hogwarts, and not at the Ministry.

[purplehawk]

Percy is too junior IMO to even be considered for the position. And anyone on the Wizengamot, the body I assume will select or elect the new minister, who takes a look at Percy's credentials would summarily blow off even the suggestion of Percy for MoM.

As for Malfoy, I know they say three time's the charm and he's only on two, but would they be likely to fall for the same arguments again? All it would take is an intensive look into Fudge's affairs and Malfoy is going to come through as culpable.

I like the idea of Madam Bones taking the top position. I am concerned, however, about this Scringeour, who was mentioned briefly at Grimmaud Place as asking "funny questions" of Kingsley and Tonks, and whom I believe to be the "dumpy wizard with a black mustache" sitting in the second row at Harry's trial.

[Hobbit]

I know one thing for sure: It better not be Umbridge!!!

But I know she wouldn't do that to us! ;)

[Nephel]

Percy is too junior IMO to even be considered for the position. And anyone on the Wizengamot, the body I assume will select or elect the new minister, who takes a look at Percy's credentials would summarily blow off even the suggestion of Percy for MoM.

As for Malfoy, I know they say three time's the charm and he's only on two, but would they be likely to fall for the same arguments again? All it would take is an intensive look into Fudge's affairs and Malfoy is going to come through as culpable.

I like the idea of Madam Bones taking the top position. I am concerned, however, about this Scringeour, who was mentioned briefly at Grimmaud Place as asking "funny questions" of Kingsley and Tonks, and whom I believe to be the "dumpy wizard with a black mustache" sitting in the second row at Harry's trial.

I agree with you. It is unlikey that anyone not in the Wizengamot has a chance of becoming MoM, so Scrimgeour, Bones and Umbridge are all likely. Guess im ruling Arthur Weasley out.

[purplehawk]

I think that whatever happens, whomever is chosen, Arthur is in for a fat promotion in the next administration, ministry, or whatever it's called. His was a highly-visible office during Voldemort's first reign of terror, but seems to have been tucked away on a back burner when Fudge became Minister of Magic. It's been said many times Arthur was held back by Fudge, specifically, because of his "muggle obsession" or his "fondness for muggles," depending on who was talking. I would think Dumbledore, as Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot would see that Arthur was well-placed to respond to issues involving muggles, particularly as victims.

[jordmundt6]

Hawk--careful, we got Nothing on Millicent's administration. Nothing whatsoever--everybody worked overtime during the first rise of Voldemort, we don't have any data on when Arthur assumed his current post (though the situation of his "office" does indicate that it was fitted out during Fudge's tenure).

But yes, of course, Arthur SHOULD be in line for a prize promotion.

[Liselle]

From what I remember of the books off hand wasn't Arthur fairly involved in the Ministry up until the end of GOF when Fudge started hs descent to madness blindness and ignorance?!

Definitely, the man deserves at least a window in the office and a few more noughts at the end of his pay cheque

[Nephel]

From what I remember of the books off hand wasn't Arthur fairly involved in the Ministry up until the end of GOF when Fudge started hs descent to madness blindness and ignorance?!

Definitely, the man deserves at least a window in the office and a few more noughts at the end of his pay cheque

Heh, yeah I can see him geting promoted to head of Law enforcement or something, I just don't think he would make a good MoM, having stayed in the muggle department all of is life.

[jordmundt6]

No--Arthur has been in that little cupboard of an office as long as we've known him doing the thankless raids (nine in one night) for no recognition or pay. But he does have his opportunity to draft legislation.

[purplehawk]

Those raids were during CoS when Arthur's Muggle Protection Act was a big deal, Jordan. More importantly, Fudge was not yet under the "wing" of Lucius Malfoy at that time. Lucius was seen selling off some of his dark arts stuff and was soon after quoted in the newspaper as saying Arthur should resign after the Ford Anglia incident, and his "ridiculous muggle protection act" should be scrapped.

A bit later, Fudge resisted when Lucius and the Board of Governors of Hogwarts removed Dumbledore from the school, if you'll remember.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Arthur didn't reach the lowly status he's at now until Lucius became Fudge's best buddy. Not saying Arthur wasn't in the same office, mind you, but the office was more important formerly than it is now.

[Liselle]

Heh, yeah I can see him geting promoted to head of Law enforcement or something, I just don't think he would make a good MoM, having stayed in the muggle department all of is life.


Funny thats exactly why I think he'd be a decent Mom....he knows how to interact with people, he's trusted by plenty of Wizards too....he's respected except by Lucius and his goons

[purplehawk]

I agree, Liselle. I think Arthur is destined for the top job if he isn't killed before his time comes. I just don't think it will happen immediately. I wouldn't be upset at all if Rowling surprises me, though!

[MnMbabe]

I too think Arthur will take the top job. Or maybe its just what i really want. He deserves it! Plus, it would be a riot to see Mr. Weasly and Lucius face off...=)
but then again, maybe someone correlated with Lucius will take office. No one yet knows for sure! :cool:

[jennymac]

We don't need much more of a story though, we're five sevenths through the book at this point. Percy is too young in my opinion to become minister and anyway it would take away from Harry who these books are actually about in the first place!

:agree: percy is WAY too young. i would NOT want somebody that young as my leader. and if you think about it, percy is just a younger fudge. would you really want him as minister?

Besides, do you have to have worked in the Ministry to be minister? Everyone wanted Dumbledore to be minister before, and he worked as at Hogwarts, and not at the Ministry.

techinically, dumbledore does work for the ministry. as part of the wizengamot.
basically he's a judge in the ministry, not really a part of any department.

[purplehawk]

I think the Wizengamot is more like Parliament. I could be wrong, though - and as corrupted as they presently are, they could be more like the gang on Capitol Hill here in the U.S.A.

[hesdead-dealwithit]

Seems to me like it's sort of a combination of a legislative and judicial branch. Remember that the magical world is much smaller than the muggle world, and that by necessity government and bureacracy will be smaller as well. (Although proportionally, I think magical government is larger and therefore worse.) So I can see the same body making laws and judging cases, which is what the Wizengamot appears to do.

[purplehawk]

You're probably right, Dead. I was thinking there might be two (or three) separate wings after the description of the empty risers on either side of the dungeon during Harry's trial. He walked past these two empty sections on his way toward the court, which was straight ahead in the center of the room.

[jordmundt6]

Hawk--With the possibility of greater efficiency. Huey P. Long or Joe McCarthy time.:rolleyes:

They're designed rather like the House of Lords where the highest appellate court in the land is the group of Law Lords, but if I remember correctly, these days the House of Lords has little power as its mostly been taken by the legislative/executive fusion of the House of Commons and the Prime Minister.

[purplehawk]

Oh well. Sounds as screwed as our system in the U.S. We got to see the highest appellate court in the land choose a president a bit less than four years ago.

[jordmundt6]

Yeah, but if it had happened anywhere else in the Western Hemisphere, odds are there'd have been a coup or a militant uprising. We still have to count our blessings. Unfortunately, the next election strikes me as "The Election Where No One Showed Up." The country's dissatisfied with Bush because we realize as McNamara put it in the '60s "It will be a long war" and no one wants to commit to that. But there isn't a strong opposing candidate. Tweedle-Dumb vs. Tweedle-Dumber--and no one can tell which is which.

[purplehawk]

Blessings? Sometimes I think what this country needs is another revolution. I'll shut up now since we're veering off-topic.

[ParselTongue]

Would love to see Arthur get the job. Or at least a big bump up in the ministry such as undersecratary. Rons comments give me the feeling it will be Arthur. If not I think bones is a great candidate.

[jordmundt6]

I don't understand why you people think being undersecreatry is such a great thing!!:grumble::grumble::grumble: Umbridge only had power as long as she pleased Fudge! It's a glorified version of Percy's new post. It's a paper shuffling position. Arthur may be many things but he's ill-suited to become a bureaucratic fixture (in fact, the only person less likely to adjust to such a job well is the one Umbridge accused of coveting it, Minerva McGonagall). Arthur should and probably will get more authority, but he's a man of action not words, deeds and not flattery. It just wouldn't suit him.

[purplehawk]

I think people assume it's important because Umbridge considered it so - and because we never hear about an actual cabinet of secreteries to the Minister. I think everyone just assumes undersecretery is as high as it goes in Rowling's world.

[xray]

I'd like to see Arthur get the post but I have a feeling that Fudge's vacancy would force a power struggle within the MoM. Amelia Bones came across as someone who'd really fit into the position and I think with any power struggle, Arthur would rally the troops and become a great ally to whoever takes the top spot.

Now anyone who says Arthur is too low on the totem pole to become Minister, look at Fudge. He wasn't in any lofty position to begin with when he became Minister.
(PoA, Ch. 10: The Marauder's Map, p208)
I was Junior Minister in the Department of Magical Catastrophes at the time, and I was one of the first on the scene after Black murdered all those people.Unless I'm reading this wrong, Fudge was a Junior Minister within a department. (i.e. does each department have a minister and perhaps a junior minister?) Or maybe he was Junior Minister to the Minister of Magic, but serving in a department... hrm.

Anyway Fudge is a fishy guy. He was in the right position at the time for a coverup. He needs to go splat!

xray

[Pegasus]

I don't trust Fudge at all. I really have a hard time seeing Arthur Weasley put right at the forefront all the sudden, though. Is there an election, or is someone appointed? Or have we already discussed this? It's just too sudden, in my mind, for the Ministry to suddenly turn every belief they have around and promote Arthur to Minister.

[Chrysalis]

No, I don't think Arthur Weasley is going to be the next Minister of Magic. It's too good to be true. And I hardly think that most of the Ministry would have changed their minds about Arthur being a barmy Muggle-lover. He doesn't exactly have the qualities of a Minister. Instead I'm betting on someone like Amelia Bones to be the next Minister for Magic.

[sparkleandfade]

Well I was sceptical at first about theories that Arthur Weasley would be the next minister, but a couple weeks ago I re-read OOP and something caught my eye. Ron is talking about the Quidditch Cup to Harry and Hermione and he says something like "We've got about as good a chance of winning as my dad has of becoming Minister of Magic." And of course later on they actually win the cup.

So maybe it was a bit of forshadowing by J.K.

[purplehawk]

I'm reading GoF and I was stricken at how much more "important" Arthur's role at the Ministry seemed than it was in OotP. He was among the 20 wizards responding to the Dark Mark appearing in the sky, he was the "ministry official" quoted in the Prophet, and he was working very long hours with the ministry wizards assigned to damage control after the World Cup. Then there was the matter of Moody's dustbins. Earlier, he was happily greeting "very important ministry officials" at his campsite and also in the top box before the match. At the end of GoF, Dumbledore states that Arthur is "well-placed to contact those at the Ministry who are not as shortsighted as Cornelius."

Contrast that with his lowly closet-sized office and bearing in OotP.

[Picko]

Obviously he was very heavily hampered by his alliance with Dumbledore plus we always knew that his department was considered rather 'silly' by others in the Ministry so his situation in OotP was not of any great surprise to me. That said clearly as a person he was respected in GoF - well at least to his face - which means as far as possible Ministers go he wouldn't be my last choice.

[purplehawk]

Yep, he wouldn't be mine either. I think Amelia Bones is the most likely candidate (as posted way back when) but Arthur isn't that far out of the running. There is also the unmistakable fact he would have Dumbledore's backing if he were to apply for the job. I wonder also whether or not we'll see Amos Diggory again. He kinda fell by the wayside in OotP. I don't believe he was even mentioned.

[Pazarius]

Last time around everyone wanted to give the job to Dumbledore, even though he didn't even want the job. That shows how well respected Dumbledore was. And now, after Fudge has been proved wrong about Voldemort, and everybody knows that Dumbledore was right all along, his standing in the wizarding community is probably higher than ever.

Although Dumbledore is probably reluctant to use his influence to place an ally in the MoM post, after Fudge he probably has no choice, he must ensure that someone competent is in the position or risk giving Voldemort an easy conquest of Britain.

It's very possible in my opinion that, regardless of how the MoM is chosen, a Minister could be appointed solely on the recommendation of Dumbledore. I think Arthur Weasley as MoM is a possibility.

[SnowyOwl]

I don't understand why you people think being undersecreatry is such a great thing!!:grumble::grumble::grumble: Umbridge only had power as long as she pleased Fudge! It's a glorified version of Percy's new post. It's a paper shuffling position. Arthur may be many things but he's ill-suited to become a bureaucratic fixture (in fact, the only person less likely to adjust to such a job well is the one Umbridge accused of coveting it, Minerva McGonagall). Arthur should and probably will get more authority, but he's a man of action not words, deeds and not flattery. It just wouldn't suit him.

Well, I can't speak for others, but the reasons I stated that I would like Amelia Bones for minister and Arthur for undersecretary are:
1) I think the next minister will be in considerable danger and I'd prefer Arthur not to be in the cross-hairs any more than he already is.
2) Amelia is tough, "but fair" according to Tonks. I think that would be of benefit to the wizarding community.
3) The position of undersecretary would at least be more visible than what he is doing now.
4) Arthur is a networker despite being shunted into an out-of-the-way office. He seems to know and be known by many in several departments. As the minister's undersecretary he would likely be able to continue doing just that. I would agree that he is a man of action, but his action seems to include working with a variety of people.

I think he's highly suited in many ways to ultimately become the minister. I certainly don't mind him learning the ropes from a good, strong person like Amelia Bones first.

[CoLime]

Well, I think the next Minister of Magic will be Remus Lupin. One day his brilliance and determination will be recognized. Also, people will overlook the fact of him being a werewolf, but it won't go unforgotton. With every minister there will always be people that try to cause trouble for him, like the Malfoys.

[ravenclaw02]

No, I don't think Arthur Weasley is going to be the next Minister of Magic. It's too good to be true. And I hardly think that most of the Ministry would have changed their minds about Arthur being a barmy Muggle-lover. He doesn't exactly have the qualities of a Minister. Instead I'm betting on someone like Amelia Bones to be the next Minister for Magic.

I completely agree. I have to say, Arthur just doesn't seem that important within the Ministry to become Minister ... I mean, I'd love for it to happen, but he doesn't seem to have that much respect within the Ministry. Amelia Bones seems to be the most sensible choice. She's high up in the Ministry, seemingly well-respected, and her no-nonsense attitude would probably be appreciated now that there's a war going on.

[Nys]

I think that the next minister of magic will have to be someone that's agreed upon by both sides, someone pure-blooded, but not a muggle-lover like Arthur. I'm not saying that they are going to be bad, but still at least approachable for Voldermort's side. Otherwise they're going to be a quick target, and may not last that long.

[Phionex]

I really think fudge will be close to loosing his job at the begining of the sixth book. Why becasue of his just total blundres. . .

MOM mistakes
1.Beliving Skeeters story (I mean she was not excalty the most accuated of journalist plus it is very well known shes bais)
2. Harry has always to Fudge's knowlge told him the truth, yet twice he ignroed the boys words (Sirus bing innocent and Voldermot being back)
3. His experince in magical law enforcement should have told him Diggory was killed by the killing Curse and a Sphinx.
4 When the Death eaters broke out of prsions he should have known something was up.
5 Jane Umbrigdge having dementors attack a student and his muggle family!!!! Talk about nearly having the wizdering world discovered!!!

6 Allowing Jane Umbrdige around the school at all
7. Allowing her to teach DOA
8 OWLs of non DA members, I mean really they did not learn alot of imporant things bcasue of him.
9. Hunting for Dubledore instead of voldermort and not looking into the death of BOde

And theres about a billion more I can list, Fudge is in deep trouble he allowed Voldermeort to comeback and get stonger than ever, hes put innocents in danger, and allowed memeber of his own adminstation (Crouch (cant remember the ladies name) Bode) to be killed by Voldermorts henchmen. He would listen to reason when warned time and agian. . . .Yeah I think the will be gone. He Percy and Ubridge will probably have to kiss their jobs good by.

Who do think will be the next MOM well I have a list I think Madem Bones or Marchbanks might go in first. Then get killed around book seven where Authur takes over as MOM.

Who would I want easy Author!!! But I do look for Deatheater supports to put up their own cannidate.

Seriously I would look for a call for a vote of no confidnece in Fudge at the begining. The papers ahve turned agaist him and is report his bludners he would be hard pressed to stay in office.

[Cedrick Diggory]

Ok, I think that Mr. Weasley will be the next Minister of Magic. I figure this because it would be something JK would do in her books. Also, as Minister of Magic I bet he changes a lot of thems.. Here is what I think He'd do:

1) Get rid of dementors
2) Change house elf relations with wizards. (in goblet of fire, near the beginning when Hermione was ranting about how house elf's are treated Mr Weasley said something like he would want to talk to her about it later on.)
3) Change werewolf and all other half human creature relations with wizards. He is more accepting and has friends that are half breeds.

Yeah, I bet he does those, whatda you guys think?

[Marix]

I think thet's what J.K. would think thet we would think thet,so she will probably putt somebody thet we would think last. I hope thet you no what i mean(becuse i don't)

P.S.sory about my english im still learning

[purplehawk]

Ok, I think that Mr. Weasley will be the next Minister of Magic. I figure this because it would be something JK would do in her books. Also, as Minister of Magic I bet he changes a lot of thems.. Here is what I think He'd do:

1) Get rid of dementors
2) Change house elf relations with wizards. (in goblet of fire, near the beginning when Hermione was ranting about how house elf's are treated Mr Weasley said something like he would want to talk to her about it later on.)
3) Change werewolf and all other half human creature relations with wizards. He is more accepting and has friends that are half breeds.

Yeah, I bet he does those, whatda you guys think?

Hi Cedrick. Welcome!

I don't think the MoM has the power to get rid of dementors, however I do think the wizarding community is long overdue for changes such as the last two you've mentioned.

[Marie Lexis]

I think that Mr. Weasley might be the new Minister of Magic. It seems that JKR has odd ways of telling these things. And I think that when Ron was joking around and said that he had as much chance as doing something that his dad had of becoming Minister of Magic. That could of been foreshadowing.

[SiriuslyBria]

I'm actually really worried that Lucius Malfoy just might get the job. Part of me says that's insane, now that it is known at that Voldemort is back and that Malfoy is a Death Eater. Yet JKR often names characters based on their personality. While Lucius is close to Lucifer, there might even be more signifigance in his name...

In the 200's, Pope Cornelius (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04375c.htm) died and the new Pope was Lucius I (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09411a.htm). Then there is also the Roman general Lucius Veerus who became co-emperor. I could very easily see Lucius not being co-MOM, but really be the puppeteer secretly commanding the new MOM.

How I hope none of this comes to be! :sad:

[joshdouval]

It'd be very interesting the new minister was Nicholas Flamel

or one of Dumbledores most trusted friends who is also a great wizard

[purplehawk]

Lucius has been the puppeteer behind Fudge's ministry through GoF and OotP, but I can't see any way he could become MoM given his unmasking as a Death Eater. He may well have greased enough palms to gain an acquittal - perhaps using his old argument that he was acting under the imperius curse - but I doubt even he has enough money to undo the stigma of being charged twice with the same offense. This is not to say he won't continue to play an active role in the story.

[SiriuslyBria]

It'd be very interesting the new minister was Nicholas Flamel

or one of Dumbledores most trusted friends who is also a great wizard

Nicholas Flamel is dead. Dumbledore said in SS/PS that he had just enough exlir to put his affairs in order and then he would die. As that was in book one and we're four years passed that, it's safe to assume he's dead.

[DaddyGav]

I think it's going to be Kingsley Shacklebolt as he is a member of the order so, Dumbledore can trust him, and will support him. Dumbledore's regained popularity could sway the decision....

Kingsley was put in charge of the hunt for Sirius too, which shows he has a lot of respect within the MOM to be dealing with such a high profile case.