What will happen if Dumbledore dies?

[CentaurFirenze]

I was wondering what would happen to the school if Dumbledore were too die during the next book. What would happen too the school? Professor McGonagall would obviously take over the Headmasters/Headmistresses position since she's Deputy Headmistress, but who would become the Transfiguration teacher? Who would be Head of Gryfindor House? I think Hagrid would take over the head of house. What do you think would happen if Dumbledore did die?

(Sorry if there is already a subject on this. I searched but could not find anything)

[Mutant for Hire]

Obviously the same thing that happened when Professor Dumbledore stopped being the transfiguration teacher, a new teacher would be brought in.

Hagrid's status as a professor is dubious enough I doubt he'd be made the head of a House. Likely as not another Gyrffindor professor would be made the head of the House.

[animagus1369]

I don't know that it's necessarily a given that McGonagall would take over the school. Look at what the Ministry did last time Dumbledore wasn't there.

I don't think he'll die in the next book, although IMHO his chances of making it through the end are slim to none. The main reason I think he'll stick around in 6 is that he's crucial to the order right now, and plotwise I'm thinking it would leave a gaping hole to fill if he dies too early on. If he dies in 6, who's going to lead the Order, who's going to keep the Ministry in line, who's going to make sure that Harry doesn't get too far off-track?

Don't get me wrong. McGonagall's good. I just don't know if she's that good. One of the things DD is most valuable for is that he can keep the MoM in line, as much as that's possible, because Fudge is afraid of him. Lord Thingy is afraid of him, too. So I can't see him checking out this soon, or Book 7 is going to be complete chaos, and probably over a thousand pages. :) Actually, that might be a good thing. lol

I'm not sure about Hagrid taking over Gryffindor either. IMHO it would have to be a full professor who's allowed to use magic without a special permission from the Headmaster. Hagrid doesn't even have a wand (well, it's in his umbrella, okay, but that's not really the same thing), and in SS he had to have permission to do magic to get the letter to Harry.

Makes me think, though. Who *would* take over as Gryffindor's head of house if McGonagall became Headmistress? No one really even comes to mind, except the people who are already heads of other houses.

[Sirius13]

i have a feeling that Dumbledore will die in the next book. It would be a great way to end the book, and although i would be sad, I think it is necessary.

[Mutant for Hire]

Originally posted by Sirius13 (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/a/showthread.php?postid=420899#post420899))
i have a feeling that Dumbledore will die in the next book. It would be a great way to end the book, and although i would be sad, I think it is necessary.


It would be an incredible way to end the book. It even brings back a feel of Lord of the Rings, when Gandalf fell and the rest of the Order, especially the lead heroes had to struggle on as best they could.

In some ways it would make book seven that much more challenging. Dumbledore is the force that holds the Order of the Phoenix together. Without him, the Order is going to have a much harder time of it. And so much for the secrecy of the Order of the Phoenix. I expect after Dumbledore is gone the place will be attacked by Death Eaters and badly damaged if not destroyed.

It's not entirely illogical either. Even if Harry is the child of prophecy, it was Dumbledore who pretty much screwed up Voldemort's plans in this book. Held Voldemort from killing Harry, captured the Death Eaters (including his agents in the Ministry), and helped expose that Voldemort was alive. If Dumbledore proved to be a major obstacle in killing off Harry Potter, the smart thing to do is to take Dumbledore out of the picture.

Also, it helps his campaign on a broader level as well. The only reason that Cornelius Fudge may be less than a totally useless will be because of Dumbeldore's guidance. Without Dumbledore or anyone of his stature to get Fudge to do the right thing to do, the Ministry is going to be crippled in its ability to deal with the threat.

So the Rowling twist to the plot that we've come to expect is that the campaign to kill off Harry Potter may in fact not really be aimed at him at all, but instead aimed at killing Dumbledore off. Voldemort played off the fact that Harry would move to rescue Sirius in this book. Next time, he might try to use the same to flush Dumbledore out into a position where he can be dealt with. Force Dumbeldore to trade his own life for Harry's.

This forces Harry to the forefront of the war, forcing him to take more responsibility. And I expect that his friends will be taking on more and more of adult burdens and responsibility. Harry and Snape no longer have Dumbledore to make them get along and they're going to have to find ways to work together on their own.

Even so, the Ministry isn't going to be actively interfering with Hogwarts at that point. There's very little need to. They did it before to discredit Dumbeldore and Harry Potter. Now is not the time for them to be getting Harry to speak out against the Ministry. With Dumbledore gone they need the support of the Boy Who Lived. So I expect McGongall to rise up to be the new Headmistress.

I can also see McGongall finally giving the Defense Against the Dark Arts job to Snape, for lack of any other candidates by that point. She may not know why Dumbledore didn't give him the job and so may decide to give him the post. That means a new potions teacher and a new transfiguration teacher, one of the two will become the new head of Gryffindor House.

Incidentally, if Hagrid dies, a good candidate for the new groundskeeper and/or Care of Magical Creatures teacher is Charlie Weasley, who was very good friends with Hagrid and no doubt scored an outstanding on his NEWT there. He might even become the new head of Gryffindor House.

In fact, killing Dumbledore off at the end of book six really could be the most evil thing she could do to the readers as they wait to find out what happens to Harry and friends with the most powerful wizard opposing Voldemort suddenly gone.

[NeedAM!nT]

I think if Dumbledore was to die, it would be in the last book, so there wouldn't be a need to tell about the new Headmaster and such because Harry is out of school. If JKR wrote another one, she would probaly just mention a nobody for the new teacher/headmaster.

[Ecthelion]

It would be excellent to have him die in the next book. Why? Well....

For one, Harry is obviously the main character of the book and the whole plot is revolved around him. If Dumbledore dies, it will leave a large hole in Harry's sense of security, trust, and will kindle a large bout of rage....which to me would be very fascinating as the reader to witness.

Watching Harry push his way through this ordeal of Dumbledore's death will be extroidanarily hard to write, and exceptionally fun and interesting to read. The events we've seen him go through would be nothing compared to Dumbledore's death. After all, after every serious and horrible event Harry has gone through, who's been there to comfort him and to explain things afterwards?...............Dumbledore. And what happens when he isn't there to do that explaining, when in fact, he is the one who needs explaining about?!!! Harry would be absolutely disraught and lost.

However, Harry will pull through and what he'll be when he comes back out I dearly would like to see. It wouldn't be the rash, impulsive, and narrow-minded Harry we saw in the fifth book. No. It would be a new Harry, one who is a combination of all his friends, benefactors, and most all, Dumbledore. Insightful, sees through deciet, strong in will, comforts friends when needed, priorities in order, and the magical power to back it all up.

Seeing Harry take this formation, in a way, is him taking the spot of Dumbledore.....his successor if you will. And Harry going through this transformation would be the perfect way to enable him to face the dangers in the seventh book and the all-encompassing last duel with Voldemort.

[hermownninny]

I don't even want to think about that!!! there will be no stop for Voldemort.....and who would direct the Order....

Maybe he will die in the last book, but it has to be after Harry knows everything he has to know about magic....

[jerb]

I am of the belief that Dumbledore will die before the end of the series.

I don't know who would be headmaster/headmistress. It depends when he dies. If it is in the middle of the year, McGonagall would take over the duties for the remainder of the year. However, if it is during the summer, I'm guessing it will be someone entirely new.

[FlyersFan]

I see Dumbledore dying, too. But I think it'll be Book 7, mainly because I believe Dumbledore still hasn't told Harry "everything." A few things he said in his end of book talk with Harry make me think that he's still sitting on a rather large secret (and not necessarily the much anticipated revelation about Lily Potter). Personally, I believe Dumbledore will spill everything, and then eventually die, giving Harry the anger necessary to kill Voldemort.

[Mutant for Hire]

Originally posted by FlyersFan (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=425385#post425385))
I see Dumbledore dying, too. But I think it'll be Book 7, mainly because I believe Dumbledore still hasn't told Harry "everything." A few things he said in his end of book talk with Harry make me think that he's still sitting on a rather large secret (and not necessarily the much anticipated revelation about Lily Potter). Personally, I believe Dumbledore will spill everything, and then eventually die, giving Harry the anger necessary to kill Voldemort.


Any reason that this couldn't happen in book six?

For that matter, Dumbledore could always leave messages in his portrait. Indeed, if there is anything that could deliver Dumbledore's last will and testament, it would be a portrait of his.

[Arissya_00]

Originally posted by hermownninny (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=421261#post421261))
I don't even want to think about that!!! there will be no stop for Voldemort.....and who would direct the Order....

Maybe he will die in the last book, but it has to be after Harry knows everything he has to know about magic....


Yeah, I bet nobody wants Dumbledore to go, but thats life, whether you're a wizard/witch or a muggle; I actually think it might be a good idea, because Harry has depended ALOT on Dumbledore's guidance, and even if he goes, Harry can still learn stuff from other people;)

[Virtuousdream]

I can't see Dumbledore surviving book 7. I can see him surviving book 6, but to die in book 7, I think that will be the push button for Harry to give his wand a little wave at Voldie.

I don't want this to happen, but I know that is what she will do, he's getting old, JKR mentioned this in book 4 and 5, DD even showed signs of weakness we have never seen in him before in book 5 - him crying.

However, being headmaster has secured the place for his portrait to go up, thats where the portraits I am fond of discussing could come in, he would still give advise through that, but it's true, everything would go pear shaped.

I can see Mad Eye holding the fort, and perhaps Lupin and Arthur.

As for next head of Hogwarts, a few weeks ago I was convinced Sirius would be perfect. But, well, we reach a slight problem with that one! I can see McGonagall as the new head, but she wont be as strong, but who would be? He'll be with Dilys and Everend, one of Hogwarts most celebrated heads of all time *bows head in respect*. As for if Hagrid dies, I can also see Charlie taking the job as professer.

[Mutant for Hire]

I don't see Moody taking over the Order of the Phoenix. Moody doesn't have the right skills or perspective. Too many of his fellow members think he's slightly cracked. He's an excellent field commander, he's had years of experience out in the field, but he's not the best choice to man the fort. There are in my mind three better candidates, Arthur Weasley, Minerva McGonagall and Remus Lupin, in about that order. Arthur can be easygoing and likable or stern and holding his ground depending on the circumstances (re his meeting with Lucius Malfoy). McGonagall is a strong figure but she tends to come off a little on the stern side and that might put the more touchy members of the Order off. Lupin is a little too unassertive.

Professor McGonagall will take over as Headmistress. She's the Deputy Headmistress right now, which means that she's the logical one to take over in the absence of Dumbledore short of an appointment by the Ministry of Magic. If Fudge has still hung around, even then he might be reluctant to repeat what happened last time. If Harry Potter speaks up, people will listen. If Amelia Bones is in charge, as I expect, then there definitely won't be any issue there.

[Mirkwood]

Personally I do not see Dumbledore dying in book 7. That would spoil the pleasure too much of good beating bad. I can see him dying in book 6 because that gives fans some time to get over it.

But if it happened, Mr Weasley and Harry combined would form the core of the order. McGonogall would take over the headmaster position and some noname would take over transfigurations. Although Tonks or Lupin would be funny too, who knows even Rita Skeeter may get a new career.

[Ecthelion]

Well, if anyone to take over the order of the phoenix, I think Moody is a top choice. Do you remember the air of respect and authority he held and got when he was Harry's guard at the beginning of the book? He is an old veteren and is looked up to by many if not all of the order of the phoenix members and has a virtual library of knowledge on dark arts devices. Consequently, he'll have lots of wisdom on spells and little "know-hows" on how to clear up those dark arts as well. Not as much as Dumbledore of course, but quite a bit to say the least.

Oh, and on Arthur weasley being the head of the order of the phoenix...I just can't see Moody taking orders from him or anybody else besides Dumbledore. You can tell that Dumbledore is one of the few people he respects by the way he acts in the fourth books pensive scene and the way he talks about him in book five.

[Padfoot_Uk]

well i do think it would be a very interesting twist if Dumbledore did actually die in the next book for lots of reasons.

Firstly, if Dumbledore was killed Voldemort would be unafraid to finally come out in the open, to the muggle world as well, becasue with Dumbledore out of the way Voldie would be fearless, it has been said many times that Dumbledore is the only wizard Voldie has ever feared, and as he doesnt know about the prophecy he would believe it was finally safe for him to take on the world. This would then lead to a full scale war the ministry trying to take him out once and for all

Secondly, also if Dumbledore was killed i think the point about what would happen to/at Hogwarts is another good point. im not so bothered about the trivial points like who would teach there, if something did happen but rather everything else. its been stated in the books, that Hogwarts is and always has been a haven for witches and wizards who want to stand against Voldie. but im wondering is this becasue Dumbledore is head and the reason its safe is becasue Voldie fears him? so if Dumbledore was killed and a new head was appointed there would it mean Hogwarts, no longer safe due to the lack of Dumledore, would become a target for Voldie and the death eaters?

And Finally, the other interesting thing that would come about from Dumbledore's death, if it were to happen, would be the distinct lack of adult wizards able to guide Harry through life. becasue if you look back at all the previous books, at the end of each one Dumbledore explains whats been happening to Harry and answers any questions he's had about whats been happening and why it has been happening. This would then pose as another dilemmar for Harry at hogwarts, especially with the loss of the other major wizard in his life, Sirius. Harry would then not have any reasoning for whats been happening and would have to learn things through his own judgement rather than being told it.

So in my opinion all these things would make it interesting if Dumbledore died in the next book. however i am not actually saying i want it to happen because i like the character and he would be missed if he was to go. but if it happened it would pose some interesting dilemmars and situations for the whole wizarding world!

[Weatherby]

Well the series would be quite different or Hogwarts would rather. I imagine it would be scarier than CoS and Ootp because there'd be no hope of him returning.
Voldemort would launch a full-size attack on the school perhaps..
There's an endless amount of possibilities. None too pleasant to think about.

[MadMagic]

It would be chaos without Dumbledore. He left for a short time in OotP and it was crazy in his absense. Without Dumbledore, Hermione and Mrs. Weasley would frantic worrying about Harry's safety. I don't think he would ever have any peace.

I think the Order would continue in his absense though. Maybe it owuld make the members ever more determined and powerful.

[kerrind]

If dumbledore were to die then people can still communicate with him because dumbledore will have his headmasters portrait on the wall.

[FreyaCrescent]

Dumbledore dying would be an awesome part of the series - very sad, but think of the implications: Harry seems to always go to Dumbledore to help him with his problems, Dumbledore stood by Harry when he said Voldemort had returned, Dumbledore seems to be the most stable support Harry has had at his time at Hogwarts... if that was taken away, he'd be so disillusioned with.. everything. Sirius gone, the Order in disarray, the only one the Dark Lord feared dead, the Dark powers growing to new heights... all before a final fight with Voldemort.

It'd be devastating, but, I think that would really take the series to a new level. And like everyone's said, Dumbledore would have a portrait in his office like the other former headmasters of Hogwarts to assist the current one. It wouldn't be as though he'd gone for good.

[OmarGama]

i think that you are right maybe Hagrid will become the new headmaster of Griffindor.

[Marix]

i think that you are right maybe Hagrid will become the new headmaster of Griffindor.

Yeah right.We all love Hagrid but he isn't a really good teacher and i think you heave to heave some years of experience to become that.

[ravenclaw02]

Firstly, if Dumbldore died, I'd cry!! :upset: That being said, I do think that it will happen, somewhere in the middle of book 7, or possibly at the very end of book 6. There's still a lot that Dumbledore hasn't told Harry, and while I think that Harry has to figure out some of it for himself, I still think that there's more that Dumbledore will reveal before he goes. Dumbledore's death will be the impetus that Harry needs to kill Voldemort. He'll finally realize that Voldemort has taken away all of his defenders: James, Lily, Sirius, and finally Dumbledore.

So now, onto the actual topic of this thread: what will happen once Dumbledore does die (if he actually does)? I think that Minerva will eventually become headmistress, though her ascension to power may be made difficult by the Ministry. In the end though, I believe she will become headmistress.

Who will take over Gryffindor House? Not Hagrid - love him as we may, we must admit that he's not that great of a professor. All of the other Heads of Houses are very talented (though not necessarily very well-liked, ahem, Snape, ahem) witches and wizards. My vote would go to Lupin, who I believe will be back either as DADA teacher or "coach" of the DA. (I've stated this theory on other threads, but basically, I think that now, since all hell has broken loose what with the war, Dumbledore will put aside the parents' fears of Lupin's lycanthropy and bring him back because he's the best DADA professor that they've had). If the whole Lupin thing doesn't pan out, then I'm at a loss for who could become the new head of Gryffindor. Firenze would be my next guess - though I highly doubt it. None of the other "main" professors would stack up. Trelawney's too flakey, Sinistra hasn't been mentioned nearly enough, ditto Vector and the nameless Muggle-Studies prof. I'd pin my hopes on the next DADA prof.


If dumbledore were to die then people can still communicate with him because dumbledore will have his headmasters portrait on the wall.

Just as a sidenote, I thought that this was a really interesting point. Perhaps Dumbledore's portrait will help Harry out in some way after Dumbles' death? It would be especially interesting if the final battle were at Hogwarts.

Sorry this post was so long-winded! :)

[Magi]

If Dumbledore dies, I think Lupin and Moody will default as chief of the Order. I have a feeling that the Advance Guard were chosen from the best of the volunteers, and its leaders were definitely Lupin and Moody.

MacGonagall will probably become Headmistress, and a Gryffindor teacher (NOT Hagrid) will take over as head of Gryffindor House -- this will probably be a new DADA or Transfiguration teacher.

[jen15poms]

If Dumbledore dies, the school will definitely go on. He has soooo many supporters, I'm sure they would all be up to the challenge of taking over the duties of Headmaster...especially McGonagall. I think she would make a great Headmistress!!!

[RemusLupinFan]

If Dumbledore dies, I will be very upset! :upset: He is the leader of everyone who stands against Voldemort and a sort of mentor to Harry. If he dies, I would imagine there would initially be some disorder among the Order until a new leader emerges. I agree that Professor McGonagall would probably be appointed Headmistress of Hogwarts, and I agree that this would be a good choice.

[forgetfulgenius]

I think Dumbledore will have to go at some point, to force Harry to shoulder all the responsibility. I don't know whether he'll necessarily die, but I think that he will need to be absent for a lot of the final parts of book 7. Harry will need to stand up for himself, and give his all to the fight, simply becase he will know that there will be no saviour to rescue him if he mucks it up,

[fthing]

fawkes might be trained as a teacher, he seems to be able to do everything else bar talk... maybe he can

[MarikOracle101]

Do you think it would be wise to try and TRAIN a phoenix? I know that people think Fawkes is dumbledors pet, but in the book it says that both his tail fetahers are in harrys and voldemorts wands. Maybe Fawkes gave 2 feathers because he wanted to help repair the damage the first wand did. That could also be the reason he's helping dumbledor. But I'm off topic.
Dumbledor has to die eventually. If he lived through the entire series the balance of power would be thrown off to much. Right now it's about equal, D vs. V and all.

[Hogwarts Lake]

After reading what Dumbledore had to say at the end in book 5 and that tear :( I will definitely cry...I will be bawling. But like everyone said and the books keep saying - how old he is he is going to die. Maybe that will drive him to kill Voldemort. I wonder if he will die in book 6? He has to get over Sirius's death first!

I hope she doesn't kill Dumbledore but it's pretty obvious isn't it?

[Northcott]

Considering that Dumbledore would be dead if Fawkes hadn't taken the curse for him at the end of the last book, I'd say it's safe to say that Dumbledore isn't nearly as unstoppable as many think him to be. He's cunning, wise, powerful, and a remarkable tactician... but we've also seen that he's fallible.

Of course, I'd like it if at least part of Harry's journey to manhood didn't depend on the people who love him dying horribly before his eyes. :) It would be nice if part of it were done traditionally; with Harry growing up by learning from those around him, instead of being forced to butch up after their deaths. It would be nice if Dumbledore could play more of a hands-on role as the grandfatherly/advisor/teacher figure.

... but I don't think that's the way it'll pan out.

[mevam]

I will be crying more over the death of Dumbledore than for Sirius, because Dumbledore was sort of a grandfather and wiseman figure in the books, and he has always done more for the characters than Sirius. I don't think Harry realizes how much he needs Dumbledore to give him some guidance and to push him on, but I think it will be a terrible realization for him once Dumbledore dies.

Anyone else noticing a Star Wars theme here? Dumbledore as Obi-Wan, Harry as Luke, and Voldemort as who else, Darth Vader, minus the father-son business...

[RemusLupinFan]

Anyone else noticing a Star Wars theme here? Dumbledore as Obi-Wan, Harry as Luke, and Voldemort as who else, Darth Vader, minus the father-son business...

Interesting link, although I think Voldemort's more like the Emperor. :cool:

[ts7200]

I'm not sold on Dumbledore dying. The whole reasoning of it being the catylist to harrys rage to kill Voldemort seems stupid in my opinion. If Voldemort killing his parents, his godfather, and pretty much making it so his life has been screwed up since birth isn't enough to **** Harry off I don't think DD dying will change that. Frankly I would think killing off all those close to Harry would be overdoing it, while I can see it happening I do think it would be stupid.

[sheilajsn]

Dumbledore dead? I can’t even bring myself to consider this possibility :upset: . In OotP when Sirius died, I was so heartbroken that I haven’t been able to put my feeling in words (because I loved him so much), but I did understand why he had to die. If Dumbledore dies it will be total chaos, besides, I can’t think of a reason why his death would help the plot.
But I will humor you and answer your question:
-Headmistress: Prof. McGonagall
-New Transformation Prof.: probably someone we already know
-New DADA teacher: if I could choose, I’d say “BRING BACK LUPIN!!!
-Leaders of the OotP: Lupin and Moody (I would not give the job to “any” of them, but “the two” of them may just work
(If Hagrid dies as well)
-New CoMC teacher: definitively Charlie Weasley (I agree with you all), and he will probably be Griffindor’s new head of house.

[Northcott]

Anyone else noticing a Star Wars theme here? Dumbledore as Obi-Wan, Harry as Luke, and Voldemort as who else, Darth Vader, minus the father-son business...

Oh, that theme's far, far older than Star Wars: the idea of the pupil eventually surpassing the master and eventually taking the teacher's place in society is a fairly ancient one. Heck, it's the crux of many martial arts movies.

Star Wars was just kind of a hodge-podge of archetypes from myth and legend thrown into a sci-fi setting. It's only natural that it should share common elements with many other fantasy stories.

To switch tracks: Other posters have suggested that Dumbledore's death will cause Harry to hate Voldemort enough to kill him. I think that's overlooking one thing: that Love is the power that Harry has, but Voldemort lacks. Ol' dark n' nasty has hate in spades. He's all about the hate.

Kill Voldemort out of hate? No, I think it'll rather be the other way around: Harry will destroy Voldemort from a sense of love. Not the kind of love you hear about in vapid Top 40 songs, or the kind of self-interested love we see in tragic figures like Romeo and Juliet; but rather the kind of love that steps beyond those boundaries. A sense of compassion, loyalty, and deep concern for many; a love that seeks the well-being of those he cares about, and will sacrifice anything -- even his innocence -- to protect them. Because Voldemort can't understand such motivations, he won't see it coming... just as he didn't foresee Lily's sacrifice holding the power that it does.

When Harry finally destroys Voldemort, it won't be out of hate for the Dark Lord; it will be done out of the love that he holds for his friends and family... and out of compassion for all those who have suffered in a similar manner. (And that, I think, will be Dumbledore's greatest legacy.)

[*Maven*]

Dumbledore must die because right now the good side is more powerful. Harry has to be the underdog in the end so dumbledores death seems inevitable.

[sheilajsn]

Kill Voldemort out of hate? No, I think it'll rather be the other way around: Harry will destroy Voldemort from a sense of love. Not the kind of love you hear about in vapid Top 40 songs, or the kind of self-interested love we see in tragic figures like Romeo and Juliet; but rather the kind of love that steps beyond those boundaries. A sense of compassion, loyalty, and deep concern for many; a love that seeks the well-being of those he cares about, and will sacrifice anything -- even his innocence -- to protect them. Because Voldemort can't understand such motivations, he won't see it coming... just as he didn't foresee Lily's sacrifice holding the power that it does.
“Killing Voldemort our of love”… Northcott I really loved your hypothesis. I think that’s the best one I’ve heard yet. We have to remember that Harry is not really capable of hating. On PoA, he felt anger and hatred and he wanted to avenge his parents’ death by killing the person who betrayed them, but at the end, he couldn’t, not because he was scared of doing it, but because he has a good soul.
To assume that he will kill Voldemort to protect those he love, would be the most logical assumption (very Vulcan of me ;))

[fiftycenter]

If Dumbledore dies (after reading this I'm not so sure anymore) he would still be very beneficial to the school. He would have his portrait in the office and if Minerva is HM she would let Harry visit to get advice. Also Dumbledore would be able to travel to other portraits and keep abreast of the situations at hand.

Do we know of other portraits of Dumbledore?

Pardon my ignorance, but only portraits can speak, correct? Photographs can only move?

[percivalwulfric]

If dumbledore died what would Harry do?, he is already greiving over sirius, if Dumbledore dies harrys greif will be tremendous. would that give him the insentive to go and find voldemort? Also Dumbledore being the most powerful wizard in the world, there would be less preotection from the death eaters. they wont be rounded up so easily like OoTP

[Dominor4]

"What will happen if Dumbledore dies?"

Harry will have to take on much greater responsibility and become the true hero he was destined to become.

[eowiodith]

I think he will die in the final battle and harry will have to carry the burden, but if he died earlier in the series the balance of power would shift , maybe his brother will become headmaster, we havent heared much about him really.

[Da_Chinkster]

The order would take a serious knock if DD died not to mention Harry. Harry is still only a young kid (in a war of such magnitude) and he needs someone of DDs stature to guide him through. I dont know if the order would survive if DD died early on

[hermeeownninny]

If Dumbledore dies before Voldemort is defeated, that school will crumble into dust. I hate to say it, but it's true. If Dumbledore goes, Voldemort will try to take over the school. And with Dumbledore gone for good, no one will be strong enough to stop him. Unless Harry does. . . I think that if Dumbledore dies before Harry kills Voldemort (I think we can all assume he will), Harry will be a wreck. He needs Dumbledore- for guidance, for those great words of advice- Dumbledore has always been someone Harry could talk to (although we'll see how much Harry trusts him come book 6). Hogwarts needs Dumbledore, so he'd better hang on for another two years!!

[hermy_weasley2]

"I will only truly have left this school when none here are loyal to me..."
~Albus Dumbledore

I think that expalins it all. Those who are loyal to Dumbledor, especially those like McGonagall and Hagird, would see to it that anything Dumbledore would've wanted done was done even after his death. That goes for the Order of the Phoenix, too. Any member of the Order of the Phoenix would conduct things like Dumbledore would. Dumbledore is a very powerful wizard indeed, but the rest of the Order combined could make up for that. Besides, we know the only person who can kill Voldemort is Harry anyway.

Granted, there is the possibility that the organization of Hogwarts and the Order of the Phoenix could fall apart as everyone tries to figure out who will be in charge. I'll be optimistic, though and say that won't happen.

[HermionesBlue]

I swear I'm becoming more convinced of Dumbledore's impending death each day.

I don't think it would happen, but I would absolutely love to see Lupin as headmaster. He has a lot of traits that remind me of Dumbledore, especially that of the self-denying leader, so that may be why I'm so keen on it. That and Lupin rules. Not that good old Minerva would be bad. Wouldn't it be a twist if Snape became headmaster? Ugh. Everything about that is just wrong.

[Da_Chinkster]

WEll we've got nothing better to except to read the books, watch the movies and come up with predicitons before the next book comes out. Everytime someone posts some theory if they've got it backed up a bit then we'll start to believe everything. But there is pretty much theories on this site for ships between all of the kids and there are theories that pretty much every character is going to die. I think I'll just say none of the theories are going to happen and that way I wont worry about any of the main characters dying

[NeuroComp]

yeah I think AD will pass Fawkes onto Harry either by dying in book six or perhaps being put in stmungos...
as for the head of the order-> Snapes Lupin and Moody are great choices,
(even though mose will say snapes is still spying but there's only so long he can spy for in the last 2 books in teh series)
headmaster->Mcgonagall a
and head of gryffindor->will have to be hagrid...there's nothing wrong with hagrid and he does have very gryffindor like quality.

[Stephie]

oh no, no, no! Don't make me think about that.

[Hermyownniny]

I don't think i can bear it if dumbledore dies. It will be a huge blow to everybody. No one else comes near his power abilities. But if he does die, i'm sure he would have taken steps to make sure that the good side will win.

[arcanus]

first of all, I really think Dumbledore is one of the greatest characters in the series. I couldn't imagine a headmaster more compassionate. He really cares about his students, especially Harry and would protect them any way possible.
I am also quite sure that he will be killed off at the end of book 6. The series will then be at the uttermost low point since he's a crucial part of Harry's defense system. If he has to go he'll probably take half of Voldemorts DEs with him, probably wounding Lord Thingy himself. But since thats only speculation lets hope he'll make it through the series, no matter how unlikely this is....

[bowlwoman]

Granted, there is the possibility that the organization of Hogwarts and the Order of the Phoenix could fall apart as everyone tries to figure out who will be in charge. I'll be optimistic, though and say that won't happen.

I would think that they've considered this possibility and have made a miriad of contengency plans. There are causualties in every war, and I think we'll see more than our fair share in this one. I'm sure McGonagall (as Deputy Headmistress) will have things well in hand if DD dies. If they can weather Umbridge, then they can face anything. :eyebrows:

As to who will assume command of the Order, anything's possible at this point. It could be someone from the first gathering of the Order, like Moody or Lupin, but both of them may not have quite the right style/temperment for the job. Tonks, Bill, Charlie and the Twins are just too young, and we won't even mention the Trio. Even though I have him in my mind as the next MoM, I honestly think that Arthur would be the best candidate. For all the reasons he'd make a good MoM, he'd also make a good head of the Order.

Another implication for the Order if DD dies: since DD is the secret-keeper for the Order, if he dies, does the secret stay contained or does the charm break? If DD dies and people realize where the headquarters is located, it could be disasterous for the Order.

bowlwoman

[David C]

yeah i just cant think about it

[Incanus]

Probably McGonagall would become the headmistress. She'd be a great one (Yes, I LOVE her :D). She's more powerful than we even wonder, I think. Not as powerful as DD, but still powerful.

Hm, Hagrid taking over Gryffindor? Don't think so. Well, if DD dies and Minerva becomes tha headmistress, then we'll have a new transfiguration professor, won't we? Who, by the way, could be? If it was an ex-Gryffindor-student, he could take over Gryffindor. By the way, Tonks was from which House? She'd be a good Transfiguration professor. :)

[Josiah45]

I think that things will go as usual

[soccergoddess24]

i think harry needs dumbledore, and i just have a feeling that he wont die, and plus i dont want him too, he just cant. harry has lost SO many people already, i just dont see the point of making him even worse off, poor kid...

[Stephie]

The school will crumble into grinded molecules of sawdust :/

sorry for the negativeness (is that a word? ^_^)

lots of luck,
Stephie

[bowlwoman]

negativity

[Stephie]

negativity
lol..thanks. I'm fine making up my own words sometimes. It serves a purpose, and it gives the subject a bit of a "zing" ;)

[Voxx]

The school could possibally shut down or Voldemort could take over giving harry a whole lot of pressure of defeating Voldemort

[Katie_Bell]

I think that if she kills Dumbledore in book 6 it might be too much to handle. I think she would just be killing off the major characters. Too me its a bit much that she has already ended two books in a row killing someone off I I hope she won't continue and I hope its not someone as important as Dumbledore. I think I will be really upset if he dies.

[bowlwoman]

lol..thanks. I'm fine making up my own words sometimes. It serves a purpose, and it gives the subject a bit of a "zing" ;)

Heh..I do it myself all the time. When I was in high school, we used to have entire conversations by changing inflections using only 2 words. Of course we used nonsense words, but to this day my sister and I still do it. :D

But I agree somewhat with your post. I think something major will happen to the school. Maybe not crumble into sawdust, but I think we'll see some gravel made out of the walls.

bowlwoman

[Cheezewiz_911]

Harry will get torn up from inside.

[SquibOnline]

In my opinion Dumbledore will probably die in the next book. He has guided Harry and it would be good to see how Harry does without him in the long term.

Another big possiblity is Dumbledore and Harry duel with Voldemort. Dumbledore dies and Harry jumps in and kills voldemort out of anger. - Like star wars

[Gwenog Jones]

If Dumbledore dies, everything and everyone would fall apart. I think every one in the Order would lose a lot of faith in their mission, since Dumbledore is the driving force against Voldemort. I think everyone would be so upset, they would lose their focus. Hogwarts would not be as safe, seeing as Voldemort would not be afraid to attack it since Dumbledore would be gone. McGonagall would take over, but let's face it, she is no where near as powerful as Dumbledore. Dumbledore has guided Harry every year, and I think he will be crucial in helping Harry defeat Voldemort. That is why, if he dies, I do not think it will be until the end of Book 7, right before the big, final battle.

[gymmuggle]

If Dumbledore dies, all hope is lost. He's the only one Voldy fears. If Dumbledore dies, if and only if he dies, then it has to happen after Voldemort dies..which he will.. he needs too.. he has too!

[sheilajsn]

If Dumbledore dies, all hope is lost. He's the only one Voldy fears. If Dumbledore dies, if and only if he dies, then it has to happen after Voldemort dies..which he will.. he needs too.. he has too!

Yes, Dumbledore is the only one Voldemort has always feared, but that’s because he doesn’t know that Harry is the one that can vanquish him (the only one). I’m sure Voldemort will find out the full content of the prophesy (maybe in book #6), and once he knows Dumbledore can’t vanquish/kill him (or however you want to interpret it) he won’t fear him anymore.

[Elf]

I think that if Dumbledore dies utter mayhem will ensue... Hogwarts will essentially be compromised, the Order may be exposed as he is their secret keeper and most importantly Harry will be a sitting duck. Strangely enough, I think this is exactly what needs to happen for JKR to create a scary, suspenseful and climactic feeling.

Too many people depend on Dumbledore to fix everything and I think there will come a time in the books where he won't be around to do that. Now, I don't want to be hasty and assume that he will definitely die, but I think that he will at least be unavailable, out of the picture, incapacitated, away, (well you get the picture...) for at least part of the next two books.

original post by sheilajsn
Yes, Dumbledore is the only one Voldemort has always feared, but that’s because he doesn’t know that Harry is the one that can vanquish him (the only one). I’m sure Voldemort will find out the full content of the prophesy (maybe in book #6), and once he knows Dumbledore can’t vanquish/kill him (or however you want to interpret it) he won’t fear him anymore.

Interesting point sheila! A lack of fear in Voldemort is scary because it means he could have a very dangerous boost in his confidence level! It just paves the way for him to become even more ruthless.

[atherella]

I have a question that perhaps one of you may be able to help answer.

We know that DD is the secret keeper for the OotP. So, if DD is to die, what happens to all the secrets?

Obviously, this doesn't only apply to DD, but to any secret keeper in general. Does anyone happen to know? There's probably a thread somewhere that I can find to help me with that, but if anyone knows, I'd really appreciate it.

I hate the thought of DD dying, but if he does, I hope Harry becomes the DD of his times. It would be good for him to be known as something other than the Boy Who Lived.

[_TheDarkMark_]

poor dumbledore everbuddy is predecting your death..... and so do i in book 7 he will die....or so i say :evil:

[SquibOnline]

I think dumbledore will die in book 7

[Kimmetje]

I think dumbledore will die in book 7

This would be logical to think because Dumbledore is old, once Harry knows how to defeat Voldemort his job is done.

It would be interesting if Dumbledore dies in the last book and Harry'll need to find out how to kill Voldemort himself. Voldemort would then have more power though as his arch-enemie would be dead and there wouldn't be anyone standing in his way to kill Harry.

In book seven JKR will have told as much as she could already and than kill of Dumbledore so she can than kill of Voldemort or something.

[Elf]

original post by Kimmetje
This would be logical to think because Dumbledore is old

Dumbledore dying of old age would almost be more tragic than if he was killed by someone evil. The thought of him lying sick on his deathbed would be absolutely heartbreaking. I don't think this will happen, but man that would be some weepy reading!

[filius]

I think it depends whether or not he dies before Voldemort does. If Voldemort dies first then everything is for the better. If DD dies first then something must be wrong with JK.

[Nephel]

Dumbledore dying of old age would almost be more tragic than if he was killed by someone evil. The thought of him lying sick on his deathbed would be absolutely heartbreaking. I don't think this will happen, but man that would be some weepy reading!

Even if Dumbledore does die. he will never really leave. As he is a headmaster of hogwarts, he should be imbued onto a portrait and be stored in the new headmaster's/mistress's office.

[Violet Black]

It will be upsetting, but there's a very strong possibility that Dumbledore will die before the end of the series. I get the distinct impression he knows his time is short, and seems to be readying Harry for this inevitability. Lest we forget, the guy's at least 150 years old. That's extremely old in wizarding terms, and impossible by Muggle standards. He's made it pretty clear that the responsibility of vanquishing Voldemort will fall, in the end, to Harry. Dumbledore might be able to match him for the time being - Hogwarts being protected thus - but ultimately, only Harry can defeat him, by virtue of the protection left by Lily. So perhaps he'll live just long enough to ensure that Harry's powers reach full strength.

McGonagall's the obvious choice to succeed Dumbledore as Head. I'm guessing the responsibility of choosing a Deputy falls to the current Headmaster/mistress, with a potential successor in mind. Dumbledore certainly seems to be demonstating his confidence in McGonagall by having her as his Deputy.

However, I have a strange feeling Dumbledore might choose Snape to succeed him - especially if Snape turns out to be on the good side after all. Don't know why, just a faint instinctual prickling. He'd have to sort out his issues with Harry of course, and would need to reassure Dumbledore that he'll treat all students fairly no matter what their House. But Dumbledore has always made a point of saying that he trusts Snape, and I wonder if he perceives him as some kind of frustrating protege - namely, as potential Headmaster material, if he could only overcome his Harry roadblock. He's also directly involved with the Order, and is an excellent Occlumens to boot.

If McGonagall becomes Head, I imagine either Snape or Flitwick will get the nod as Deputy. My money's on Flitwick, as he's been around longer (he was teaching when Snape was at school.)

New Head of Gryffindor House - my heart says Lupin, should he be reinstated as DADA teacher. However, he only spent one year teaching at Hogwarts, and there might be other Gryffindor teachers who oppose his appointment on the basis of his lycanthropy and the fact they've been there longer. But he is loved by almost all the students, so the popularity vote may well prevail in this case, and the demands of the war might force an overhaul of tradition when it comes to recruiting new heads of House. His skills are valuable, and if he plays a major role in the battle against the Death Eaters, which I'm sure he will, then the other teachers might consider him deserving of the post.

[Kidney Pie]

If Dumbledore dies, Harry's only real adult friends would be Lupin, Hagrid, some of the Professors, and a few other people like the Weasleys. Mr. Weasley might get to be minister of magic, as Ron said jokingly. Which would be an advantage to Harry if Dumbledore dies. He'll need the Misistery on his side.

[rock_ally]

DUMBLEDORE WILL NOT DIE!! *cries*

[anheru17]

The moment Voldemort hears the full contents of the prophecy Dumbledore will be as good as dead. Voldemort will hunt him down after that because he won't have any reason left to fear Dumbledore. But I think that would happen at book seven; Voldemort will get his hands on the prophecy at the end of book six and then it will be a matter of time before Dumbledore dies.

That said I think McGongall will be the next Headmistress, about the Order I am not that sure, maybe Lupin? I would bet on him and Moody. Arthur Weasley dosen't seem to be a good option, he isn't that great leader and lacks the experiences Moody has, the sames goes for the ministry, in that one I bet on Amelia Bones.

[drdementor]

Yikes, if Dumbledore were to die in Book 6, the teachers and members of the Order would be flustered to find a leader...FAST!

The teachers would be better off than the Order, because they've had to manage things in Dumbledore's absence before, and their goals are fairly straightforward: teach students stuff.

The problems the Order would have on the other hand: people not trusting Snape, worrying over strategy, difficulties in deciding what to do about letting Harry and co. in the Order...

Dumbledore has no clear successor in the Order, and he is the one who ties together all the varying opinions and attitudes of the Order Members. I think that he is indispensable to Book 7, so he won't die yet! I also hope that he will not be killed off in Book 7.

Just because he does not have the power to vanquish the Dark Lord does not mean that the Dark Lord has the power to vanquish him! He does a darn good job defending himself, and I think Voldy has every right to be scared of him, prophecy or no prophecy.

-Dr. D

[rjade829]

McGonagall would probably become Headmistress of Hogwarts...and uh...besides that, I don't know. =)

[missy_13]

OBVIOUSLY DUMBLEDORE WON'T DIE BCUZ THAT WOULD RUIN THE REST OF THE BOOKS DON'T U PAY ATTENTION TO HOW MUCH JK HAS STRESSED THAT DUMBLEDORE WAS THE ONLY ONE VOLDEMORT FEARED DUH! THIS IS A NOT NEEDED THREAD BCUZ HE WONT DIE IF HE DID IT WOULD MAKE THE EVENTS OF THE BOOKS VERY BORING BCUZ THERE'D B NO ONE FOR HARRY TO GET ALL HIS INFORMATION FROM AND ALL HE WOULD B ABLE TO DO IS TRY AND FAIL AND DIE AT THE HANDS OF vOLDEMORT!!! DUH!!

[IceKat55]

Okay everyone, please stop with the ALL CAPS typing and the internet slang...

If you mean "you", please type "you", and not "u". :rolleyes:

[strange magic]

If dumbeldore dies yes bad will happen.
but even in the darkest times we can still turn on the lights.
JK said a new government would take over my vote is for Aruther Weasley and When Dumbeldore goes McGonagall will take over hogwarts and Lupin the order. (he does act like a leader, he lead the advance gaurd).
And Dumbeldore will die in the end of Book six or the Begining of Book seven.

[atherella]

WATS THE BIG DEAL IF DUMBLEDORE DIES !!!

HE'S JUST A 500 YEAR OLD GUY WITH A VERY LONG BEARD!!

I AM TELLING U, IT'S BETTER FOR HIM IF HE SHAVED

For one thing, he is the secret keeper for the OotP.

He's also the Headmaster at Hogwarts.

He's been key to keeping Harry alive and protected since his parents' death.

He's the only person that Voldemort has ever feared.

He's perhaps the most wise wizard ever.

Just to name a few.

[sheilajsn]

Originally posted by drdementor
Just because he does not have the power to vanquish the Dark Lord does not mean that the Dark Lord has the power to vanquish him! He does a darn good job defending himself, and I think Voldy has every right to be scared of him, prophecy or no prophecy.

You have a point there, Dumbledore is a very powerful wizard, in my opinion, more powerful than Voldemort. The only advantage the Dark Lord has over Dumbledore is that he has no morals, no ethics and he is willing to do whatever it takes to get what he wants. But don’t get me wrong, Dumbledore can be scary too. The only thing that really scares me is that Dumbledore is willing to go to any length to protect Harry. In OotP he became a fugitive only to prevent Harry from being expelled, and in the MoM he protected Harry and faced Voldemort himself, what else would he be willing to do? He could very well sacrifice himself in order to save Harry. I just don’t like the thought of Voldemort killing Dumbledore, I like the fact that he fears Dumbledore because Voldemort knows he is more powerful.
I’m posting very contradictory posts here because even though I understand that Dumbledore might die and I’m trying to get used to the idea, I somehow can’t accept the possibility.
Do I even make sense here? :huh:

[Dementor Dave]

Dumbledore is the only wizard the Dark Lord ever feared. This is precisely the reason he will die. After the death of the barmy old codger dies (which I place anywhere from mid-book 6 to VERY early in Book 7) Lord Voldemort will begin his second reign in earnest. Quite literally all heck will break loose. McGongall will preform as effectively as possible in the role of Headmistress, well, effectively as possible with the entire wizarding world at war. The Order on the other hand might be in trouble, though. They would be very vulnerable to Death Eater attacks. But the most important effect is that it forces Harry to face the Dark Lord. No more protection. Only the two. Oh how grand it will be. Good Luck, Harry Potter, you'll need it.
-Dementor Dave

[MagicalMafia]

Dumbledore is the only wizard the Dark Lord ever feared. This is precisely the reason he will die. After the death of the barmy old codger dies (which I place anywhere from mid-book 6 to VERY early in Book 7) Lord Voldemort will begin his second reign in earnest. Quite literally all heck will break loose. McGongall will preform as effectively as possible in the role of Headmistress, well, effectively as possible with the entire wizarding world at war. The Order on the other hand might be in trouble, though. They would be very vulnerable to Death Eater attacks. But the most important effect is that it forces Harry to face the Dark Lord. No more protection. Only the two. Oh how grand it will be. Good Luck, Harry Potter, you'll need it.
-Dementor Dave

If I didn't know any better I'd say it sounds like you want Harry to fail, Mr...ah...Shall I just call you Dave? And of course Dumbledore must die. You make a valid point in saying that Harry must face Voldemort alone, or without the Beloved Bumblebee at best. It's all fun and cookies. Or, if it's at my house, fun and ice cream. ;)

[Dementor Dave]

Oh no! I certainly didn't say i wanted HP to fail. In any case thanks fo the semi-support :tu:, shall I just call you, um, Mafia. :rolleyes:
P.S.-even Dementors dig Ice Cream!

[MagicalMafia]

Dementors like ice cream? I thought they ate people's SOULS. Well, perhaps your name is fitting after all...That's beside the point.

[Dementor Dave]

What!? Dementors aren't allowed dessert. tee-hee............
Today's entre', souls with an ice cream chaser. Sounds positively wonderful to me.
-Dementor Dave

[MagicalMafia]

Desert? They aren't allowed desert?? Tee hee. Just kidding. Please don't kiss me! (I just know I'm gonna mess up on this and you're gonna catch me, though technically "gonna" is incorrect...) I bet dementors like M&M vanilla fudge ice cream. What do you think Mr. Dave?

[Dementor Dave]

Pucker up, sweet little Ravenclaw, time for a bedtime kiss! Not really. But yes, I'd say a dementor would dig that and many other flavors!

[MagicalMafia]

I bet they do. I bet dementors just gobble up ice cream. I bet they buy four quarts of it and leave it in other people's refrigerators (not that they mind...) Anyway. Back on topic. But we already covered that. So what now?
~looks lost and confused~

[Dementor Dave]

Topic, there was a topic here...................

[MagicalMafia]

Heh, we're the only two people conversing on this thread anymore...New topic!

[Dementor Dave]

Most definately, lets start with the recruitment of Martha Stewart to the Death Eaters. It's SO OVER NOW! Harry, you can't handle the Half Blood Domestic Diva!

[MagicalMafia]

You did not just say that. Fine. Dumbledore gets Bill Gates and the Waltons. As in Sam Walton. He'll buy Harry's way out of this war.

[Dementor Dave]

You forget what thread we're on! Dumbledore's dead here. :evil:

[MagicalMafia]

Technically, bub, we're on the "What if..." Dumbledore's dead thread. And you are so not Draco Malfoy. You're more like...Trevor the Toad. Or Phineas Nigellus. Whatever. Not Draco. Perhaps Slytherin (though I don't buy it, but then again, I've been wrong about certain things in the past, so one never knows...) but I doubt it.

[Dementor Dave]

Personal attacks, come now, I AM the one who took the test, aren't I? Trust the Slytherin as true though. My ambition is keen.

[MagicalMafia]

You would choose to save your neck over that of, say, a dear friend?

[Dementor Dave]

Certainly not. Consider though, that I can count my "dear friends" on one hand.

[MagicalMafia]

Yes, but the quality of friendships is more important than quantity, right? And just because the feeling isn't in a lot of places doesn't mean it isn't just as important. However, I will concede that we are who we choose to be. And if you choose to be the Snaky Draco, well, I won't stop you.

[Dementor Dave]

Aha purity and quality are OH SO important, and trust me, I've picked out some WONDERFUL friends!

[MagicalMafia]

I'll bet you even has a friend that is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT. I'll even go so far as to say it's a girl.

[Dementor Dave]

Yeah, but I think she's into organized crimes of the occult. rough stuff I hear.

[MagicalMafia]

Oh, but of course. After all, I mean, she is a robot. And you adore her so much.

[Dementor Dave]

~chokes on his grilled cheese/soul of disenfranchised forum junkie~
not hardly. :nc:
turns out she's a psionic entity

[Padfoot_001]

Ah, guys ... lets try and stick to the topic here.

Um I guess McGonagall should take it over, but I don't know, guess it all depends really on who is in charge of deciding who takes the position. I dunno. I don't think the running of the school would be the main concern if Dumbledore died however, I think that what would happen to Harry without Dumbledore is more important. Dumbledore protects that school with his power and with him gone, Voldamort would attack and well, you know the rest. Lets just hope he dosn't die as things will become mighty complicated.

[MagicalMafia]

Oh, that one. I could have sworn you told me that she doesn't count. Because she doesn't.

Well, I've decided to retire to my regal bedchamber for the night.

Exeunt.

[Dementor Dave]

Sorry about the rant, padfoot. Anyway check my earlier post(#89) for my on topic views!

[Tane]

What would happen if Dumbledore died good question as Harry at the moment is full of anger towards the headmaster and blames him partly for Sirius's death. In a way Harry left saying that he did not care about what Dumbledore said to him. If Dumbledore died before Harry had a chance to make amends, I think Dumbledore's death would hit Harry even harder than it would have done without the attacking outburst in his office. I hope Harry gets a chance to make up for things because he will regret not speaking to Dumbledore if he dies before he gets the chance. Harry might even go to the extent of being completely reckless and go storming off in revenge without thinking things through.

[jasper]

Dumbledore dying in the midst of book six would mean McGonagall as Headmistress (the usual routine) and I agree with CentaurFirenze idea from the original post in the thread that Hagrid could be head of Griffindor house. Hagrid seems like the obvious choice. They could get a substistute teacher for the rest of the year for transifguration like they've done with Grubblyplank- of Flintwick could probably cover a class or two as Snape did. McGonagall didn't give up her teaching post or the head of house position up when she stepped into Dumbledore's chair in the past (why hasn't Draco ever raised a stink about that being unfair in the house cup competition?) But she might if Dumbledore's absence was going to be permanent.

I think it would be more interesting to see who would be filling those jobs for year 7. McGonagall might just finish the year if he dies mid term. Or if Dumbledore was to die at the end of the year, a new headmaster would be needed starting with the new term, and it might be someone other than McGonagall. Harry would be an adult and this would influence his decision to return for NEWTS. Of course he would want to so he could qualify for auror training, but if the new headmaster was a death eater or something, it would be tricky choice.

Oh, and just a suggestion: please read zero tolerance policy (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=22998) about Off-topic behavior.

[Tane]

Dumbledore dying in the midst of book six would mean McGonagall as Headmistress (the usual routine) and I agree with CentaurFirenze idea from the original post in the thread that Hagrid could be head of Griffindor house. Hagrid seems like the obvious choice. They could get a substistute teacher for the rest of the year for transifguration like they've done with Grubblyplank- of Flintwick could probably cover a class or two as Snape did. McGonagall didn't give up her teaching post or the head of house position up when she stepped into Dumbledore's chair in the past (why hasn't Draco ever raised a stink about that being unfair in the house cup competition?) But she might if Dumbledore's absence was going to be permanent.

I think it would be more interesting to see who would be filling those jobs for year 7. McGonagall might just finish the year if he dies mid term. Or if Dumbledore was to die at the end of the year, a new headmaster would be needed starting with the new term, and it might be someone other than McGonagall. Harry would be an adult and this would influence his decision to return for NEWTS. Of course he would want to so he could qualify for auror training, but if the new headmaster was a death eater or something, it would be tricky choice.

I like the idea of Dumbledore becoming Head of Gryffindor in Dumbledore's absence especially now that Draco has no say in anything at Hogwarts anymore. McGonagall would be an idea choice for the new headmistress but I do hope this is not the reason for Harry's sudden removal from Aunt Petunia, I mean Dumbledore dieing at the beginning of the book would be really stressful to read and shocking to say the least. I think Flitwick would take up the role of deputy head though, more experienced because I would not trust Snape in any other position other than Potion Master to be honest with you. It would be amusing to see McGonagall tell Snape he has to accept Harry for Potion classes in his 6th and 7th year while she was headmistress of the school. It would be difficult though for McGonagall to fill in where Dumbledore left, very difficult indeed and probably very emotional too considering how close they are too each other. Then again Dumbledore might not die in the 6th book but only at the end of the 7th but JKR stated that things where to get worse for Harry in the next book and how much more worse can thing be after all Sirius died, what could hurt Harry more than that other than Dumbledore or one of his closet friends dieing.

[aggiefan1206]

I think if DUmbledore dies it will be in book 7 mabe towards the beginning or the middle. Harry will definatly have a harder time he will not have anyone to cover for him and have no one to protect him. McGonigal could be headmistress she very well could be. Who would fill Transfiguration i have no clue do we know anyone else who could fill that role at the moment. THe order will find a way to stick togather but it will be harder with dumbledore gone. I think that DUmbledore possibly dying would be what makes harry able to kill voldemort and i hope Dumbledore teaches harry personaly in the defense against the dark arts. I think he will have to be trained by voldemort i dont think anyone else can help get to the point where he can defeat voldemort. I think Dumbledore lives till book 7 and mostly because of one of the questions on the world book day chat someone aske about dumbledore and Jk answered with there is life in him yet. Im not exactly sure for how long if its short or longer term. But what ever happens i hope the 6th and 7th are excelent books.