Grawp's Future

[mimbletonia]

Any idea what is going to happen to Grawp, Hagrid's giant brother? Will he feature more in the Second War? Maybe he will rally the giants behind DD and Ootp...

[GryffindorSeekerHP]

I think that Hagrid will somehow "tame" him. Maybe help Dumbledore and the Order of the Phoenix somehow. Or...he could maybe think that Centaurs are evil humans for shooting him with arrows and run away seeking vengance.

I hope that all made sense.

[Picko]

He wouldn't have been brought into the story if he wasn't going to play a larger, what that role is however I'm not so sure but I can't see it being to rally the giants behind Dumbledore's cause.

[Endangered]

Grawp is going to prove that Giants aren't all that bad. Poor Grawp, it was sad when he was calling for 'Hagger'.

[Thayet]

The fact that he was calling "Hagger" shows that Hagrid has managed to tame him somewhat, if you can call it that -- giants are not purely creatures, they are not the most intelligent but can clearly think and feel. As Hagrid said - Grawp was a runt of a giant, and beat up by the other giants -- so this pretty much deadens the theory of Grawp rallying the other giants up, as they didn't like him when he was there, and sort of running away wouldn't help the cause anymore.

[Picko]

Clearly Giants are more intelligent than say Trolls for instance. Grawp will be valuable in battle, look at all the people who attempted to take Hagrid down and failed. Grawp is almost twice the size of Hagrid and therefore probably much harder to take out.

[Jinxie Cat]

What Thayet said makes a lot of sense. I don't think the other giants would listen to him. But I can see Grawp helping somehow. Maybe he'll somehow help in getting all the animals/creatures in the Forbidden Forest to come to some sort of peace treaty. The Centaurs are being totally unfair and maybe they'll work something out so Hagrid and other humans can come into the Forest safely...

[Thayet]

The majority of centaurs are unfair - it is their nature. Although they were afraid of Grawp, I do not think they would make a pact. You have seen how their view of what is right and wrong for centaurs extended - they were willing to beat Firenze to death if Hagrid hadn't saved them from the herd. I think the theory of the centaurs against Voldemort is gone - they wont risk their own skins. Grawp, no doubt, will fight for his Hagger, or Hagrid, and will be an asset - but if Voldemort succeeds in bringing all of the other giants back, then he won't be much of an asset. One of those giants could beat Grawp up - he wouldn't dare go against all of them. If Voldemort fails, however, Grawp will be a pretty good asset.

[Picko]

I'm wondering if Hagrid could get Aragog and his offspring on side, in my opinion spiders the side of houses would be powerful allies :D

[Thayet]

Remember what Aragog said? They will obey Hagrid, and not eat him on Aragogs command, but any other humans they will not obey, and they will devour as a meal. With this behaviour, it shows that although they have brain power, they will follow and obey no-one but Hagrid, and I doubt even Aragog would risk all of his children's lives for Hagrid, although without him it would not have been possible.

[Picko]

Very true Thayet but I think they remain a bit of an X-factor in the battle ahead. I believe JK has said that we'll see Aragog again in the future books so I assume at some point the question will be asked.

[Jinxie Cat]

She did say Aragog would be in a future book(s)... But as an ally to Dumbledore? I see many Wizards helping in the war against Voldemort... But I don't know what creatures will. They mentioned Dementors and Giants but that's it...

[Llopin]

If the giants are convinced by the Death Eaters, and that's what it seems, maybe Hagrid returns to where they live in order to try to convince them again, maybe this time Dumbledore comes too (he seems to convince people and beasts very well).

About Aragog, I still think Hagrid and Dumbledore are capable of making him understand that there's a war and that they need the spider's help. I'm sure Aragog will have a bigger role.

[Lithornlant]

OK: I think that if all this time we thought of Harry as being the 'hero' and it turned up Neville, I'd be shocked and angry. It would everyone (fans and charachters) look like idiots :banghead: , and it would just be strange. Here's my take on what will happen:

*MAIN IDEA*: In the end Neville will go bad, and become a death eater.
*WHY*: Look at all the anger he has to build on. Think about it. Harry's parents were killed; but Neville's tortured. Harry just has grief, because he grew up his whole life without them and in a bad home. But Neville grew up without his parents because they were practicly insane.
Another thing to think about is he was teased forever; where as Harry was famous all his life. He could grow hatred to Harry....
*WHAT HE'LL DO*: I'm thinking he's gonna kill somebody, (Bellatrix?) and then be overcome with doing that and go over to the Dark Side. I sense an Anakin in him. Before the end I have a strange feeling he's gonna kill Malfoy; and then one of the 3. Maybe Ron, because his father is in the MoM, and he had a good home; maybe Hermione because... well I'll think about that one. WAIT! Here's a thought... maybe he'll try and kill Harry, and Creevy will sacrifice himself to stop it. THAT would'nt be too corny of a way to end Creevy and set Neville on the Dark Side.

Back to the topic... my theory is Neville will go bad. I don't think he's the chosen one. He just can't be. But then, it would be too obvious if it was Harry. But now it's too obvious it could be Neville. I'm confusing myself.

[Fast Luck]

Sorry to bump up an old thread, but I thought I'd post my thoughts on this here (because when I started a new thread, it got closed ;)).

Hagrid's storyline was surprisingly small in this book. He was missing for the beginning, and when he returned, he returned empty handed... except for his half-brother Grawp. And what part did Grawp play in this book? None, other than using his face as a depository for the centaurs' arrows. Therefore, I think Grawp will return again with a more important role in the next book...

We saw during Harry's Astrology examination Hagrid struggling against a whole group of wizards... and winning. Being part giant, he is somewhat magic resistant, and being 10 feet tall, he was able to subdue his aggressors and escape. Now, if Hagrid can defeat that many wizards, imagine what a real giant could do. One real giant could probably kill at least two or three Death Eaters, and maybe as many as 10. This is why Dumbledore thought it was so important to get the giants on their side. And even though they failed, they did manage to get Grawp.

And Grawp is learning English, being tamed, and Hagrid wants to get Grawp a female companion. And that would give their side two giants. And at this point, Grawp could convert several more giants. Hagrid specifically mentioned that there were many who sided with the first Gurg. And Hagrid also says, "We gave 'em Dumbledore's message an' some o' them heard it an' I 'spect some o' them'll remember it. Jus' maybe, them that don' want ter stay around Golgomath'll move outta the mountains, an' there's gotta be a chance they'll remember Dumbledore's friendly to 'em.... Could be they'll come..." It seemed like a long shot at the time, but since they already have one giant, and possibly soon will have two, it could be that four or five more will join them and come to live in the Forbidden Forest.

[Mirkwood]

As a link to the giants. He is going to convince the giants to be on the good side.
I like the Aragog plot though.

[pineapple]

I definately think Grawp will play a role in the upcoming books. I wasn't a huge fan of his, but the "Haggar" thing was pretty cute.

I liked Aragog, even though he wanted to kill everyone and he was a really big manifestation of my fears but, besides that, I think he was pretty cool, and if convinced, could be usefull for the good fight.

[Mega]

I don't think Hagrid is going to really get Grawp a female. I think it was just wishful thinking. But with Hagrid you never know what he'll bring back with him when he goe's on trips.

[JenJen]

I'm sure he'll play a bigger role - maybe convincing the rest of the wizarding world that Giants aren't bad? JKR wouldn't have put in something that big (no pun intended :) ) without it leading somewhere.

[wahsup86]

What do you think will happen to Grawp (Hagrid's giant half-brother) in book six and seven.

[you know who!]

i think he might go on the lose and destroy things
another 1 of my stupid ideas

[familiar]

He'll learn a few more words in English. Perhaps Hagrid will have some more control over him. The Magical Creatures class will get to study him. Or maybe he'll decide "Hermy" is his friend and try to scale the walls of Hogwarts, grab her out of her dorm window and deposit her on top of the tallest tower... oh wait, that's a different movie...

[lorna]

with any luck the centaurs will get him.
Sorry but I couldn't stand the character or his plot line.

[wahsup86]

To be honest, neither could I, I was hoping for a response like that to ease my worries. LOL!

[harryton]

i think he will become somewhat like hagrid. He already showed signs of improving, and his manner are better :) so i think that the will play an important role in the future.

[big_cho_fan]

I think he will get really angry and go on a rampage and the centaurs will end up killing the dumb giant.

[themushygod]

i think hager will convince grawpy to help hermy in fighting voldy (ok getting carried away with the names)

[HPviolinist85]

Firenze said that he should give up on his mission. Maybe Grawp isn't the mission they're talking about. Maybe it's something else. Centors don't care about anything beneath the stars. Maybe the answer isn't in the stars and Firenze is wrong.

[FredRocksMySocks]

i dunno if grawp will bring much good. he's too gaint-like and uncivilized and i don't know if you can force something out of it's instincts like that, you know. i don't think hagrid will be able to domesticate grawp...i think he'll prove to be much more of a problem than a good thing.

[Horntail]

I didn't like the Grawp story line very much either. I really thought that this whole bit could have been left out, even Hagrid didn't do much in this whole book. That said, I'm sure he was put in to play a role in the later books. Probably the fact that this story line was so contrived suggests that Grawp has more of a role to play later and needs to be introduced now. Also it seems to me that Dumbledor is getting one of each of the other magical brethren on the good side: Grawp, Firenze, and Dobby. Now all we need is a goblin.

[Inkwolf]

I think that just as we begin to like Grawp, he'll do something violent and giant-like and either kill someone or have to be killed.

I got to like Grawp just a tiny bit at the end, when he was asking for 'Hagger.' I think he'll grow on us some more (not literally!)

[Scabbers]

Im only guessing but i think Grawp might play a part in the future books, probly for his brute strenght and stuff. I also think that Harry might die at the end of book seven, as a sort of maytr giving up his life to save everyone else. Well only a guess most likely wrong any way but i thought i might post it..

[Bee]

JKR said book 5 was so long because she needed to put in some stuff that wasn't all that interesting but if readers didn't read about it now they'd feel gypped by books 6 and 7. I think the whole Grawp part of book 5 was written because it plays a huge part int he end of the series. Because it didn't feel like it belonged in book 5! I thought it was pretty boring, actually, and I really hope it plays a big part in future books.

[A_Reck]

He will definatly be mentioned more--why else would he have come in? I dont know how big of a part he will play though.

[Nickel]

A thread entitled "Grawp's Future"

http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=13249&highlight=grawp+future

Personally I think he will show up again. JKR doesn't usually put things like that in there for the heck of it.

[McKinnon02]

We're all assuming he'll still be alive in book 6. From the description JKR gave of what the centaurs were doing to him, it sounded like he had several arrows sticking out of his face, eye, and the rest of his body. Those are pretty serious injuries, and if Grawp's not near death by the time Hagrid finds him, I'm a unicorn.

[Hpmons]

Giants are VERY strong, and have thick skin. The centaurs may have powerful arrows; but they werent mentioned as harming Grawp much.

Grawp must have a future. He was in OotP too little to have a mini plot line even, so I think he will come back.
Hagrid will teach him loads of things and words, and I think when the trio come back to Hogwarts he will be ALMOST civilised. Hagrid is going to put all his efforts to make Grawp behave and learn English, and he wont give up; as he is his own brother.

I tihnk Grawp may help in the fight against Voldemort. When the giants attack, Grawp will fiht back. He'll get killed of course (what a shame. a great shame.), as he is so small, but he'll still help. And he might be able to get some giants on the good side.

[tyro]

well, i think in Book7 when Voldie and The Death Eaters arrive at Hogwarts to have a rumble, They'll be pushed towards the forest, and just at the moment when it looks like The Bad Guys are winning "AAAARRRRGGGHHH!" out comes Grawp charging from the forest and squashes a few of them, you know? Like in Return of the King (whatdya mean you haven't read it?!) in "The Siege of Gondor" when it looks like the Orcs are winning then the Rohirrim come. Or, maybe some of the other Giants will follow in Grawps footsteps, cus Voldie is bound to bring Giants to Hogwarts. So then they'll be a mini giant war.

[aphelion]

He will stand by every Care of Magic Creatures lesson and threaten to eat Malfoy everytime he opens his mouth.

[purplehawk]

Bahaha! You know, I'm coming to the conclusion the final battle in this series will be staged at Hogwarts. Hogwarts, of course, includes The Forbidden Forest... we've met a number of - ummm - "interesting creatures" that abide in the forest. Imagine an army comprised of centaurs, Aragog and his crew, thestrals, unicorns, flesh-eating bug bears, baby brother giants, blast-ended skrewts, and sphinxes - all led by Mr. Weasley's car!

[schwarzendrache]

He will descend on Voldemort and knock him out cold in Book 7! Bahh, just kidding. Are you guys so sure he'll live to the last battle? I think he could get into a confrontation in Book 6 and be thrown out of Hogwarts.

[Mirror of Erised]

I think at the last minute, Grawp will come through with ALL the Giants, to rid the playing fields of dementors. The OOTP/DA will take care of the DE, and Voldie and Harry will have some quiet time alone. ;)

[mr.berts'n'botts]

i really don't care about grawp rite now lol

[humongoratdropping]

Yes, and Grawp will get his "lady friend", and together with Hagger, they all will stomp on the centaurs, Nagini, and the Death Eaters. lol

[MalfoyIsMINE]

Lol some very um interesting theories! I think that Grawp will learn to speak better english and maybe somehow become a huge asset to Dumbledore...and I mean in 'huge' in more ways than one...

[hesdead-dealwithit]

I think the only role Grawp could actually play is to convince the other giants to join the Order. (He could fight a little, maybe, but wizards can easily defeat giants.) But, Grawp is a runty little giant! He was thrown out by them because he was so small!! How is he going to convince any of them?

[Mutant for Hire]

I think Grawp's role in book six will be the same as Buckbeak's in book three. To get Hagrid in hot water with the Ministry. In book seven, I expect that Grawp will be fighting on the side of good in the last battle, but for book six, I think the Ministry is going to have a cow when they find out there's a giant in the forbidden forest.

[McKinnon02]

Can we really be sure Grawp got thrown out? I was under the impression Hagrid had convinced his half brother to come and live with him.

[Puffskein]

Excuse the pun, but I think the giants in general will be big in the last two books. OOTP was about the Order getting the Ministry and the general public on its side. Now they will all realise that the beings, beasts and part-humans won't necessarily fight for good.I can't see Grawp lasting very long in a fight with the giants on the dark side, but he could be useful in other ways.

[Hpmons]

So then they'll be a mini giant war.Ah yes; a mini war including giants...

Imagine an army comprised of centaurs, Aragog and his crew, thestrals, unicorns, flesh-eating bug bears, baby brother giants, blast-ended skrewts, and sphinxes - all led by Mr. Weasley's car!

That would be so amazing! I think that is actually quite likely (only some of it), and the creatures of the Forbidden Forest will become united to fight the Dark side.

I can't see Grawp lasting very long in a fight with the giants on the dark side, but he could be useful in other ways.

I agree, he is far weaker and smaller than normal giants, so it would be hard for him to FIGHT with them; but I think he may play a role in trying to win the giants back to their side. I think he will beocme civilised as well (which is good becuase I dont want to listen to more descriptions of cuts and bruises all over Hagrids face).

I think he may be killed in the end, but he will still play a part in the story.

[macka]

Hi, all! This is my first post.

I think Gawp’s story is tied in with Hermione and the house elves.

I’m always bothered my Hermione’s efforts to set the elves free by hiding clothes. They let her know in book 4 that they don’t want to be set free. That’s a lack of respect on her part for not listening to them.

Then look at Hermione’s reaction to Hagrid’s attempts with Gawp. She’s angry that he was keeping a dangerous giant in the forest. Hagrid said that Gawp did want to go back to the giants but took him because he was worried about Gawp. I think Hagrid is more justified in keeping Gawp than Hermione is in trying to trick the house elves into freedom. At least Gawp is part of Hagrid’s family.

The more I think about it, in the end, the house elves may end up being more dangerous than the giants. Isn’t it mentioned that they have very powerful magic?

[Fuchsia]

:welcome: Macka.

I don't know if this is a case of what is worse. Both of their hearts are in the right place. Hermione is a child after all and this is something she has to learn the hard way. I think she's right in trying to help them but her manner of going about it is a little rough.
But at least she is trying and cares enough to not just complain and then do nothing about it. This girl will do great things in HP land.

Grawp will not have easy no matter where he is. With the other giants who more likely than not would kill him or lonely in the woods where he doesn't belong.

As for houseelves being dangerous? Well, so are wizards. They, like humans, are what their environment makes them. That could be good or bad. The wizards they serve play the biggest part in shaping them.
Look at Kreacher.

[Sniffles4Snuffles]

I think Grawp will do something to the centaurs, or they will kill him. Half of me hopes the centaurs kill Grawp, but then Hagrid would be ever so sad - bad things always happen to Hagger! But another part of me thinks Grawp is cute and could actually learn some English language, manners, etc. Ooh, I am so indecisive...

[Fuchsia]

I think the centaurs are likely to make up some "not getting involved" excuse to hide cowardice in dealing with Grawp.

Grawp may very well get better. He won't be ever completely civilised but without giants to learn bad behavior from he's got a chance.

[macka]

Thanks for the welcome!

I agree that both Hermione and Hagrid have their hearts in the right place. I just think Hermione needs to get a better understanding of the house elves if she really wants to help them. Winky, Kreacher or both are the key. Even Sirius said that the shock would kill Kreacher if you ever set him free. She needs to understand this if she is going to help them. Otherwise she’s a bit hypocritical being angry at Hagrid when she's the one who needs to listen to the house elves a little more herself.

In the end, I think it is more likely that the house elves will become a strong ally. (At least most of them)

[RAC wEASLEY]

OK: I think that if all this time we thought of Harry as being the 'hero' and it turned up Neville, I'd be shocked and angry. It would everyone (fans and charachters) look like idiots :banghead: , and it would just be strange. Here's my take on what will happen:

*MAIN IDEA*: In the end Neville will go bad, and become a death eater.
*WHY*: Look at all the anger he has to build on. Think about it. Harry's parents were killed; but Neville's tortured. Harry just has grief, because he grew up his whole life without them and in a bad home. But Neville grew up without his parents because they were practicly insane.
Another thing to think about is he was teased forever; where as Harry was famous all his life. He could grow hatred to Harry....
*WHAT HE'LL DO*: I'm thinking he's gonna kill somebody, (Bellatrix?) and then be overcome with doing that and go over to the Dark Side. I sense an Anakin in him. Before the end I have a strange feeling he's gonna kill Malfoy; and then one of the 3. Maybe Ron, because his father is in the MoM, and he had a good home; maybe Hermione because... well I'll think about that one. WAIT! Here's a thought... maybe he'll try and kill Harry, and Creevy will sacrifice himself to stop it. THAT would'nt be too corny of a way to end Creevy and set Neville on the Dark Side.

Back to the topic... my theory is Neville will go bad. I don't think he's the chosen one. He just can't be. But then, it would be too obvious if it was Harry. But now it's too obvious it could be Neville. I'm confusing myself.

¡¡¡¡¡WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!!! :censored: :censored:
¡NEVILLE WILL NEVER, AND I REPEAT NEVER WILL BECOME A BAD GUY!
:grumble:
¡¡¡NEVILLE IS ONE OF THE BEST CHARACHTERS THERE ARE IN HP AND HE WILL NOT TURN OUT TO BE A BAD GUY!!!
¡¡¡¡HE, HARRY, RON AND HERMIONE ARE FRIENDS, HE WILL NEVER KILL THEM!!!!
¡¡HE IS NOT JEALOUS OF THEM!!
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
¡¡¡NEVILLE WILL KILL BELLATRIX, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM A BAD PERSON!!! ¡¡¡HARRY WILL KILL VOLDEMORT, ¿IS HE A BAD PERSON?!!! :no:
¡¡NO, HE ISN'T, SO IF NEVILLE KILLS BELLATRIX THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM A BAD PERSON!!
:censored: :grumble: :banghead: :no:

[Cat]

I agree entirely, RAC wEASLEY, but there's no reason to be so forthright and CAPITAL about it.

I think Grawp could be used as a bodyguard/ siege weapon. You don't need a keen mind to be helpful. It would be worthwhile to have a mass of muscle as a friend.

And less of this talk about 'taming' him, people! He's not an animal! He doesn't seem very bright and he's not entirely reserved in his tendency to crush the daylight out of things, but he's a being from a hardy civilisation. A civilisation. He's not a wild thing.

[hesdead-dealwithit]

And less of this talk about 'taming' him, people! He's not an animal! He doesn't seem very bright and he's not entirely reserved in his tendency to crush the daylight out of things, but he's a being from a hardy civilisation. A civilisation. He's not a wild thing.

He's not an animal, but giants ARE both uncivilized and "wild things." Giants are less civilized than, say, German tribes in the age of the Roman Empire, and no one considers those people civilized. And they are very wild - hard to fight and very dangerous. We don't know much about their intelligence, and they do seem to speak a full-fledged language, but giants DO need to be tamed. Otherwise there would be no point in sending envoys to the giants - if they were civilized than the good ones of them would automatically side with DD, and the bad ones would automatically side with LV. Instead, they have to be pushed to DD's side, and still not very many of them join. They ARE wild, they ARE uncivilized.

[theboywholived77]

what are your theories on whether or not grawp will fight for the good side in the coming war?

[roberto]

I think what we could see is if Voldemort and the DEs make a move on Hogwarts, people run and hide in the forest. Grawp, Aragog and others would listen to Hagird, which in turn would keep the children safe until the battle is fought.

[Popkin]

It may turn out that Grawp does a great deal of harm somehow. When Firenze predicted that Hagrid's attempt was not working and he would do better to abandon it, he was probably talking about some problem Hagrid's attempt would cause in the more distant future, and on a bigger scale than Hagrid's happiness or his attempt to restore his own family. Firenze is not like the other centaurs, so he could have had Hagrid's best interests at heart, but centaurs in general (in JKR's world) are concerned with a bigger picture than an individual's or a family's happiness.

So, maybe Grawp will cause a centaur revolt with very serious consequences. Or, he might wander from the forbidden forest and draw negative attention to himself in Hogsmead or Hogwarts. This could happen at a time when Dumbledore is making headway in Giant/Wizard peace negotiations, and could destroy the progress, pushing the Giants to decide to side with LV. Or he might force Hagrid to make a choice with very unhappy consequences.

[Picko]

It may turn out that Grawp does a great deal of harm somehow. When Firenze predicted that Hagrid's attempt was not working and he would do better to abandon it, he was probably talking about some problem Hagrid's attempt would cause in the more distant future, and on a bigger scale than Hagrid's happiness or his attempt to restore his own family. Firenze is not like the other centaurs, so he could have had Hagrid's best interests at heart, but centaurs in general (in JKR's world) are concerned with a bigger picture than an individual's or a family's happiness.

Good point and one I can't say I considered. I only really thought about the short term ramifications of what was said. I thought the fact that Hagrid appeared to get through to Grawp was highlighting that predicting the future is extremely difficult and even the best get it wrong. I figured it might be heading us in the direction of the prophecy being false.

[Cat]

He's not an animal, but giants ARE both uncivilized and "wild things." Giants are less civilized than, say, German tribes in the age of the Roman Empire, and no one considers those people civilized. And they are very wild - hard to fight and very dangerous. We don't know much about their intelligence, and they do seem to speak a full-fledged language, but giants DO need to be tamed. Otherwise there would be no point in sending envoys to the giants - if they were civilized than the good ones of them would automatically side with DD, and the bad ones would automatically side with LV. Instead, they have to be pushed to DD's side, and still not very many of them join. They ARE wild, they ARE uncivilized.


Good and bad? Does civilisation mean always knowing what's good and bad? Most of modern civilisation bases it's decisions on what it thinks it needs - just like the giants do. 'We will serve the one who gives us more' - they're practically us.

And I don't know what you mean by 'uncivilised'. If you mean that they are fierce and basic and don't eat with knives and forks then, yes, they are uncivilised. But they do live in a civilisation, whether it's a fierce and basic civilisation or not. They even have a system of government and rule, strange though it may be. Wild things do not. Wild things don't reason with people like the giants were prepared to.

They don't need to be tamed, or to be made to act like humans. Should Grawp be trained to fetch sticks? He's a being, not a creature. He might be a bit different, to the point of being something of a threat, but he's a person. People aren't 'tamed', they're educated.

Popkin, that wasn't a prediction from Firenze. He was speaking for the present tense. He even said that the stars don't determine small matters. Grawp isn't small, but the matter is. Compared to other things.

[Popkin]

Popkin, that wasn't a prediction from Firenze. He was speaking for the present tense. He even said that the stars don't determine small matters. Grawp isn't small, but the matter is. Compared to other things.
That was exactly my point. When Firenze said the attempt was not working, he was probably referring to something bigger than Hagrid and Grawp's restored relationship.

[Cat]

That was exactly my point. When Firenze said the attempt was not working, he was probably referring to something bigger than Hagrid and Grawp's restored relationship.

But anything it could be would still be too small. It would have to refer to Grawp specifically, or Hagrid. They are just ants to a star.

[Popkin]

But anything it could be would still be too small. It would have to refer to Grawp specifically, or Hagrid. They are just ants to a star.
Not necessarily. Grawp could end up being the catalyst for a major change in events. He could be the one who pushes over the first domino, causing all the rest to fall into place. The centaurs are interested in the whole Harry Potter/LV War II thing. Its outcome is apparently a big thing in the stars, and Grawp could have a very direct affect on that outcome.

[hesdead-dealwithit]

Good and bad? Does civilisation mean always knowing what's good and bad? Most of modern civilisation bases it's decisions on what it thinks it needs - just like the giants do. 'We will serve the one who gives us more' - they're practically us.
Cat, everyone bases their decisions on what they think they need - the civilized and the uncivilized, the humans and the non-humans, anything that can possibly think does what it think it needs - if it didn't it would die out via evolution.

And I don't know what you mean by 'uncivilised'. If you mean that they are fierce and basic and don't eat with knives and forks then, yes, they are uncivilised. But they do live in a civilisation, whether it's a fierce and basic civilisation or not. They even have a system of government and rule, strange though it may be. Wild things do not. Wild things don't reason with people like the giants were prepared to.
According to this (http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=civilized), to be civilized is "to bring to a technically advanced and rationally ordered stage of cultural development." Are the giants fierce. Yeah. Are they basic? Of course. Do they eat with forks and knives? No. But that has nothing to do with whether or not they are civilized. They may have a system of government and rule, but every human belongs to a society that has a system of government and rule. Would you consider the first tribes that left Africa thousands upon thousands of years ago civilized? Of course not - so how are the giants civilized? To go back to our definition, the giants are not technologically advanced and they do not have or have not had a rationally ordered stage of cultural development (shown by the brutality and lack of morals of the giants. Okay, I know what you're saying before you've written it. "They have different morals than us blah blah blah." Murder is not acceptable to me, no matter if it is acceptable under others' morals.). And cultural development? They pull down trees for fun.

Overall, what I would call civilized is the creation of centers of population, and the advancement of the sciences, arts, and architecture. The Sumerians had their zigurats; the Babylonians had their number system; the Egyptians had their pyramids; the Mayans had their pyramids and mathematics and astronomy; the Greeks had more than the rest of all other civilizations combined. What do the giants have?

They don't need to be tamed, or to be made to act like humans. Should Grawp be trained to fetch sticks? He's a being, not a creature. He might be a bit different, to the point of being something of a threat, but he's a person. People aren't 'tamed', they're educated.


I'm not saying that giants should be trained to fetch sticks. I'm just saying that they are reckless and brutal beings, less civilized than, say, ancient humans, and do not compare to wizards (much less ancient Native American tribes or the Germanic barbarians) in terms of civilization, and, much like the Neanderthals, are by their very nature not as clever as humans and not as civilized as humans. That doesn't mean we should discriminate against them; it means that we should be wary of them.

[Popkin]

...[giants]......much like the Neanderthals, are by their very nature not as clever as humans and not as civilized as humans. That doesn't mean we should discriminate against them; it means that we should be wary of them.

I'm not disagreeing with your logic, or that giants are less civilized than human beings. However, I felt it was important to point out that the Neanderthals were not necessarily less clever than humans. There is some very compelling evidence to the contrary. In fact, many scientists believe that the Neanderthals were gentler, more civilized and more intelligent than modern humans. It is suspected that they were brutally wiped out by their human counterparts.

Way off topic, I know, but I felt the need to correct that myth.

[hesdead-dealwithit]

I'm not disagreeing with your logic, or that giants are less civilized than human beings. However, I felt it was important to point out that the Neanderthals were not necessarily less clever than humans. There is some very compelling evidence to the contrary. In fact, many scientists believe that the Neanderthals were gentler, more civilized and more intelligent than modern humans. It is suspected that they were brutally wiped out by their human counterparts.

Way off topic, I know, but I felt the need to correct that myth.

Sorry about that - I don't know enough about Neanderthals to comment intelligently about them - I shouldn't have used that reference.

[eggplant]

I think Grawp will turn out to be very intelligent, just uneducated. Hermione will decide that is unjust so she teaches Grawp to read. Soon you can find Hermione and Grawp debating each other about how the philosophy of Plato contrasts to that of Ludwig Wittgenstein and throwing off witty remarks as if it were a Nowel Coward play.

Eggplant

[drifting.shadow]

there are alot more creatures in that forest than what we have seen. according to book 5 it says that they had never been in the forest as deep as where grawp was hidden. it must go deeper, surely there are more tha a handful of monsters in there.

[Fawkes_Fan]

I'm sure that Grawp will be important to the war in one way or another. His only purpose for being in Book 5 was to provide a distraction that would allow Harry and Hermione get away from Umbridge. You don't introduce such an important character for no reason.

[hesdead-dealwithit]

there are alot more creatures in that forest than what we have seen. according to book 5 it says that they had never been in the forest as deep as where grawp was hidden. it must go deeper, surely there are more tha a handful of monsters in there.
Good point. I have a feeling that there will be some battle at Hogwarts, and part of it could be in the Forest. I'm really hoping we get to see some cool creatures - Lethifolds are what I'm most looking for. More and more creatures that we already knew from Fantastic Beasts are being used in the regular books (thestrals, doxies, those wood guardian things whose name I forgot, and others), and I bet that trend will continue.

[rwc]

i want to know how he got grawp to the forest without the MOM noticing.

[Kirby]

I don't know what'll happen to Grawp. But I know one thing- His name isn't Grawp. Since Grawp is small compared to the other giants, they keep saying 'grow up', sounding like Grawp, which is the only thing he can say since he kept on hearing it :tu:

[AllanTheGreat]

I believe that Hagrid will continue his arduous intents to domesticate Grawp and in some point he will triumph. Grawp will learn to speak English and Dumbledore will give him a low-importance job for him to be of some use. He will also help Hagrid at home and take care of Hagrid's weird creatures.

I also think that because Grawp will be domesticated Dumbledore will expand Hagrid's Hut to include a new XXKing bed for Grawp.

This is only what I think, I mean it sounds logical, you know Hagrid is very stubborn and won't give up trying to domesticate his beloved brother. And of course, Hagrid is very openhearted and wouldn't let his brother rot there in the middle of the Forbidden Forest.

[pasmosa]

JKR has a pattern of introducing new things/people/spells into the plot in a small way sometime before she uses that same thing/person/spell in a big way later on. By doing that, she doesn't have to get bogged down in background information at a big climax.

In OotP we were introduced to Grawp and Luna, and Firenze was brought into the castle where he can have more of a role. I believe that all three of them have big roles to come.

Dumbledore was very hopeful about getting Giant support in the war. If Giants were so totally unmanageable as they seemed in OotP, why would Dumbledore even consider it? They must be reasonable at some level. Maybe Hagrid will find the key to that soon.

[SeverusSnape]

I don't know what'll happen to Grawp. But I know one thing- His name isn't Grawp. Since Grawp is small compared to the other giants, they keep saying 'grow up', sounding like Grawp, which is the only thing he can say since he kept on hearing it


LoL you got that from somewhere on the site. I remember reading it somewhere. Cant find it though, nice try though ;-).

[Dumbledores Sis]

with any luck the centaurs will get him.
Sorry but I couldn't stand the character or his plot line.

How can you say that, he was sooooooooooooo, cute (not being sarcastic) :angel:
Seriously, Grawp is great, i really hope to see more of him.

I belive that he will become more controlable, well he has to cos he's got a big part to play. To date i still have no idea what he's gonna do but there is something.

[Nephel]

I think Grawp will stand as the rallying point for the other liberal giants, who live outside of the chief's authority. The rebellious giants will leave thier tribe and join grawp in the forest. From here on out they will participate in the final battle.

[Dumbledores Sis]

I believe that Hagrid will continue his arduous intents to domesticate Grawp and in some point he will triumph. Grawp will learn to speak English and Dumbledore will give him a low-importance job for him to be of some use. He will also help Hagrid at home and take care of Hagrid's weird creatures.

I also think that because Grawp will be domesticated Dumbledore will expand Hagrid's Hut to include a new XXKing bed for Grawp.

This is only what I think, I mean it sounds logical, you know Hagrid is very stubborn and won't give up trying to domesticate his beloved brother. And of course, Hagrid is very openhearted and wouldn't let his brother rot there in the middle of the Forbidden Forest.


Are you kidding, giving Grawp a job where he will live and help out at Hogwarts??? Parents will be in outrage. It's worse than having Lupin for a defence teacher.

But yeah i do agree with ya about Hagrid being stubborn, he wont give up, im positive that Dumbledore knows about him and has already come up with a solution.

[Da_Chinkster]

Its not about being stubborn its about protecting your blood relatives especially someone as close as a sibling. Hagrid has a moral duty to his brother to do everything he can to keep him from getting hurt. I reckon he'll become domesticated and help hagrid as a groundkeeper. He'll probably come to Hagrid's rescue in one of the next books when the war commences

[Dumbledores Sis]

I think Grawp will do something to the centaurs, or they will kill him. Half of me hopes the centaurs kill Grawp, but then Hagrid would be ever so sad - bad things always happen to Hagger! But another part of me thinks Grawp is cute and could actually learn some English language, manners, etc. Ooh, I am so indecisive...

Ha don't be, Your right there is a sense of vulnerability about Grawp that makes you think he's so cute.

And of course he will learn Manners etc... He knows Hermione and that was after one visit. If anyone can civilize him Hagrid can.

Yeah there probably will be some sort of battle between the centaurs and Grawp, ooohhhh, i hope he'll be ok. I'm sure Dumbledore will look after him.

[RemusLupinFan]

I think maybe somehow Grawp will do something against Voldemort, whether intentionally or unintentionally. He may learn some more in the way of manners and English from Hagrid in the future as well. But while reading OotP I did wonder exactly what the purpose of introducing his character into the series was.

[Wand Master]

I think he might brutally kill Macnare. (Spelling error?)

[eowiodith]

well he will definately play a huge part in the books, jkr doesnt introduce unnecessary characters. I think he will help save everyone and then giants will be accepted into the wizarding community

[Tane]

I noticed how Grawp's life appears to be very similar to that of Firenze, they both have been rejected by there own and yet have a great fighting spirit. Though Grawp may not be as intelligent as Firenze I think there roles are going to be very similar. I can see the centaurs and giants on Voldemorts side and these two out casts being involved in changing somehow there alliance to Harry. We know a lot about Firenze who was in control of the centaurs and represented what I think they really are but I'm not sure where Grawp stood in the giant’s status.

[hermy_weasley2]

Well, Grawp lives in the Forbidden Forest, and the Forbidden Forest is forbidden for very good reasons as we've seen with the Trio's esperiences with it. Yet, it's still on Hogwarts grounds. Aragog and his "family" , thestrals (sp?), cenataurs, unicorns, Grawp and who-knows-what-else live in the Forbidden Forest, and most of them are potentially very dangerous to students-- not to mention anything that might be living in the lake. Why does Dumbledore allow them all to stay at Hogwarts? He has to know about Grawp by now, because Dumbldore knows virtually everything that goes on at Hogwarts.

Maybe he's keeping them all there for a reason. They could've all been involved in the last war, and he's been keeping them safe there either as a favor or thank you or as a way having them at his command, so to speak, in the upcoming war. If that's the case then Grawp is probably a welcome inhabitant because of his usefullness and connection with the giants. I've got a feeling we'll see him again.

[Silkeng]

Hmm he is abit like Firenze an outcast among centaurs and an outcast among giants. He will likely take part in the fight against Voldemort cause he seems to be on Hagrid's side. He may be able to do something to bring the giants around. It is unclear but I have hopes he will be a great help.

[ComicBookWorm]

Hagrid will die and Grawp will rally the giants to fight the Death Eaters.

[TravDogg]

Didn't JK say in the World Book Day Chat or something that we would see Grawp in the future, but he will be easier to control? Mabey he'll help Hagrid with his lessons.

I wonder if Dumbledore knew that Grawp was hiding in the forest. Will he still allow him to stay there? I think that he will since JK said that he's more tame. Mabey he can help Hagrid with lessons.

If he dies to save Hagrid, would that give Hagrid a special love protection thing like what Harry has?

I think that mabey a quarter of the giants will side with Dumbledore and the rest with Voldemort. Grawp could lead Dumbledore's giants with Hagrid's and Madame Maxime's help.

[Remus Black]

I think perhaps grawp will er,forcefully negoiate with the centaurs to join Dumbledore.

[Dumbledores Sis]

I noticed how Grawp's life appears to be very similar to that of Firenze, they both have been rejected by there own and yet have a great fighting spirit. Though Grawp may not be as intelligent as Firenze I think there roles are going to be very similar. I can see the centaurs and giants on Voldemorts side and these two out casts being involved in changing somehow there alliance to Harry. We know a lot about Firenze who was in control of the centaurs and represented what I think they really are but I'm not sure where Grawp stood in the giant’s status.

Errrr the Centaurs on Voldemorts side???? what were you thinking?

Yip im certain that Dumbledore knows that Grawp is in the Forrest. I think he knows everything that goes on, he has the power to control all the creatures but it is a pointless wasted effort.

[sneff]

i think that he will have a part in the future because we did see that hagrid had managed to tame him. but i have to agree i didn't realy like it either i think it kind of distracted us from the main story line.






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[Kazza]

I'm sure Dumbledore knows about Grawp, he knows everything after all! But what sort of part Grawpy will play in the next 2 books I've no idea!
I'm not sure Grawp will be able to pursuade the giants to join Dumbledore coz he wasn't at all popular with the giants was he? Grawp I mean. Didn't Hagrid say he was being bullied by the bigger giants?
I suppose he could infulence the creatures in the forest, but they're pretty much alongside Dumbledore at the moment aren't they?

Yeah... not too sure about Grawpy.

[arcanus]

I just have four words:
LEAN MEAN KILLING MACHINE :eyebrows:

He'll be the ultimate weapon against those DEs...

[atherella]

I just have four words:
LEAN MEAN KILLING MACHINE :eyebrows:

He'll be the ultimate weapon against those DEs...

Lean mean killing machine reminds me so much of the George Foreman grill. :rotfl: I actually had to peek up at which thread I was in, that made me laugh so hard!! (I happen to own one and think they are marvelous!!!)

As for Grawp, I read a quote somewhere from JKR that says we'll be seeing more of Grawp, although I imagine that was pretty much a given. He wouldn't just disappear into the night never to be seen from again. I have no clue what role he'll play, but I imagine he'll rescue someone (Hagrid or Harry) from another tight situation. Maybe against Aragog, since we also know he comes back into play, and I can't imagine what he'll be back for either. Sigh. I'm so ready for book 6.

Will Hagrid ever succeed with his plans for his brother?

JKR - In a limited way, yes. Grawp is obviously the very stupidest thing that Hagrid ever brought home. In his long line of bringing home stupid things—Aragog, the Blast-Ended Skrewts—Grawp is the one that should have finished him off, but ironically it might be the one time that a monstrous something came good. By the next book, Grawp is a little bit more controllable. I think you got a clue to that at the end of Phoenix, because Grawp was starting to speak and to be a little bit more amenable to human contact.

I don't think Grawp will be invited into the castle for a feast or anything, but with a war raging, I'm sure they can find some use for him. :D

Edit - here's the other Grawp quote, just ran across it again.
Kings Park primary school: what will happen to Hagrid’s half brother?

JK Rowling replies -> You'll find out in book six. Luckily he's become a little more controllable.

I wonder if that means he'll not be around in book 7, and therefore dies? Or maybe it just means that we'll find out what role he'll play in book 6. :huh:

[lineon12]

dumbledor has to know about grawp, its on howgwarts land and he knows all that goes on

[stormcat_5000]

Grawp will be meeting Ron for first time in book6, maybe Ron will make Grawp more at ease with humans, maybe Ron will become good friend of Grawp, it was a bit curious that Ron never got to meet Grawp once in Ootp.

[tantrix]

true.. i would agree to the notion of ron taming the beast.. he is pretty gentle.. other than that I'm sure that Grawp has a huge role in the story. If giants come on the humans' side, then that's a huge advantage against the DEs and the dementors.

secondly, I'm pretty sure that DD knew the whereabouts of Grawp since he was brought by Hagrid..

[i_like_dat]

I think that Hagrid will have made some progress on taming him! I don't personally like Grawp at all, and think that Hagrid should get rid of him. But he love's his little? brother. I don;t really think that Hagrid will actually get rid of Grawp, but he should because all he does is take up more of JKR's time! But, fortunatly, it will be up to JKR what happens in the books and NO ONE else! If she died and gave the books to someone else, the books would most likely suck! (oops, did I cuss? I meant "stink!") :rotfl:

[AlbusDumbled0re]

Grawp will help in the war against Voldemort!

[morgiana]

I think Grawp will be more tamed in book six. JKR would not introduce a character and not have a purpose for him in the series. He must help in some way. He did probably save Umbridge from the centaurs but I'll try not to hold that against him.

[atherella]

I think Grawp will be more tamed in book six. JKR would not introduce a character and not have a purpose for him in the series. He must help in some way. He did probably save Umbridge from the centaurs but I'll try not to hold that against him.

Well, JKR did SAY that he will be more controllable, so that is correct. As for Umbridge and the centaurs, it was DD who went into the forest and saved Umbridge, not Grawp.

[Snape_Fan]

grawp, may help some how the order, maybe get a few more giants on there side and not with the death eaters, like grawp showing how well the wizards treat him and things.grawp also ( i think someone said this at the top of the page)help get the centars on the orders side, maybe with force this would happen.

[slavetopadfoot]

grawp will mourn the dearh of hagger and go crazy go nuts on the death eaters!

[atherella]

grawp will mourn the dearh of hagger and go crazy go nuts on the death eaters!

JKR already said Hagrid would be in all the books, so even if Hagrid does eventually die, it won't be until at least book 7, and we know from what she (JKR) said that Grawp will become more controllable in book 7. Why do you think Hagrid will die?

[slavetopadfoot]

i dunno... working for the order, i suppose. it's a gut feeling, but i hope i'm wrong. well, i can either see hagrid or grawp dying and i don't wanna see hagrid deal with another hard personal loss...

[atherella]

i dunno... working for the order, i suppose. it's a gut feeling, but i hope i'm wrong. well, i can either see hagrid or grawp dying and i don't wanna see hagrid deal with another hard personal loss...

Well, I dug out the 2 quotes I mentioned in my above post. Maybe they will help put your mind to rest a bit. :)

Hi, I have a question about Hagrid.

JKR -Oh, Cool. I like Hagrid. Ask away.

Is he going to be in the rest of the books?
JKR - Yes.

He’s my favorite character.

JKR - Oh, is he your favorite character? I like you because he’s one of my favorite characters. Yeah, if you take away Harry and Hermione and Ron, then I love Hagrid the best definitely. He is going to be around. You are going to keep seeing him. I suspect that the reason you are asking this is because there is a rumor going around that people are going to die in the upcoming books. People are going to die and I’m not going to tell you who is and who isn’t because--- that’s for very obvious reasons.


Kings Park primary school: what will happen to Hagrid’s half brother?

JK Rowling replies -> You'll find out in book six. Luckily he's become a little more controllable.

[slavetopadfoot]

oh w00ty... thanks! how cute would it be if grawp became a student?
btw, how can i find out how many posts i've posted?

[atherella]

oh w00ty... thanks! how cute would it be if grawp became a student?
btw, how can i find out how many posts i've posted?

I'm pretty sure Grawp couldn't be a student, since he isn't a wizard, rather a giant, and I'm not sure that they makes robes his size anyhow. :lol:

To find out how many posts you have, you can use the search (http://www.cosforums.com/search.php?) option. Once there, use the search by username function, and it should give you a listing. :)

[slavetopadfoot]

about the robes thing, wasn't there some clue somewhere how one of the ads on jkr's site was about plus-sized robes or something?

[atherella]

about the robes thing, wasn't there some clue somewhere how one of the ads on jkr's site was about plus-sized robes or something?

Actually, you're right there was. There was some discussion about that in one thread, but for the life of me, I can't recall which. I'm too tired and blurry eyed to go look it up on JKR's site now also.

[slavetopadfoot]

But, fortunatly, it will be up to JKR what happens in the books and NO ONE else! If she died and gave the books to someone else, the books would most likely suck!

*knocks on wood* omg don't even... grawp is awesome. i think hermy will be the key to taming him and what happens to him... and dumblydore definitely knows. he's omniscient...

[LuvHP_001]

Well, i know that he will become more controlable,DD will probably find out about him and i think he will maybe help the order like....going to gather the giants...again..to try again...i dunno...I'm curious about him.

[hpfan_08]

Since I have seer blood running through my viens I can accuratly tell you that Grawp will become an English teacher at a Muggle Highschool. I mean if he can remember Hermy and Hadgrid and use them in the same sentence he's set for life.