The Lucius worship worries me.

[Wild Rose]

The man is evil. Pure evil. No redeeming features, no reservations, just evil.
So what is the attraction? Why are so many of our members refering to him as 'Luciuous' etc?

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[MagiCils]

His redeeming feature is that he is stylish! Please, you can get away with anything if you dress nice, you know... ;)

:edit: I changed the word used at the end of Gone With the Wind that was originally in my post to "Please!" Had no idea it would get asterisked out, lol!! :angel:

[Wild Rose]

Well, yes. I guess it's the hair. I just find it strange. I mean, there are alot of Snape fans, but at least there some good points about him.

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[MadMagic]

Maybe they don't know how to spell.

But if there is anything, then it is due to his portrayal in the movies. I don't think anyone would like him based on his character and actions inthe book. It is the visual that gets them probably.

[Grotto]

Physically attractive people can get away with far more than normal looking people do, at least for a little while. That is a sad fact on humanity, but a fact none the less.
But I believe in karma which states in a simplified way, "What goes around comes aroud."
Grotto the ancient

[malfoyschick]

I think a lot of people may like Jason Isaacs rather than Lucius. (I know my mum does.) It's what he looks like rather than what he does that gets people. If he wasn't attractive you wouldn't find that half so many people liked him.

[The Golden Snitch]

Its the same with all the people who have become fans of Draco just because of the actor that plays him..

"Oh my god he's so hot he can be as bad as he seems in the books because's he's hot!!!"

Thats pretty much how it is, I understand the Snape lovers because I myself am am fan of Snape and he is at least a good guy, as he constantly saves Harry, he went right to the order when Harry told him that Sirius was in trouble. He's a good guy at heart, The Malfoy's are not.

[Severus Snape1]

A few girls call me Sevie :)

Snape's a good guy deep down!

[anumati]

Well, for some reason, far beyond me, some people (girls in general) like evil. As you can see from the vast number of slytherin wannabes on this forum. Basically they respect Lucius because he was hot in the movies. Not all people are deep. *cough*

[Wild Rose]

Hey, fair enough. I think he's hot too. Plus, I know if I were at Hogwarts, I would be a Slytherin. I just wanted to hear what everyone else's excuses were. ;)

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[Dementor]

Not a real fan of his character myself but he did gain an eentsy-weentsy amount of respect from me for his ability to command the other Death Eaters in the OTOP as well as he at least seems more dexterous than your average run of the mill Death Eater. I would guess the fans of him worship him because, IMO, he now looks like the cool bad guy.

[Picko]

People are superficial it's as simple as that and anumati brings up a good point. Why do girls - in general - like evil? Are these the same girls that complain when they get beat up, even though they go for stupid guys in the first place? :rolleyes:

[Hammi]

its the looks alone basiclly, if Hitler was played by Heath Ledger u could guarantee people would be crazy over him aswell

[Kami]

For some reason, Five Iron Frenzy's song "Handbook for the Sellout" is coming to mind here. The "thing" these days is for people to do exactly what they think everyone else doesn't want to do. From my viewpoint (which is, by the way, that of a homeschooler's), it seems as though it's "cool" to be bad. The result is that everyone is still the same, but they still think of themselves as different! If that's making sense?

I've always liked Lupin and Sirius, myself. Even with the knowledge that a lot of other people like them too. I like them simply because they demonstrate characteristics that I would prefer to see in people over, say, Lucius or Draco's characteristics. I think that's always the way people should look at things.. as in, "This is what I want to see," as opposed to "This is what they don't want to see." But of course, who am I but Miss Only-Slightly-Less-Sheltered-Than-Your-Average-Homeschooler to say anything. :P

[Picko]

Originally posted by Hammi (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=465004#post465004))
its the looks alone basiclly, if Hitler was played by Heath Ledger u could guarantee people would be crazy over him aswell


And society hits a new low point. Well done :rolleyes:

The popularity of Heath Ledger is perhaps the leading example of people's superficiality in society. He has the most undesirable personality out of anyone I've had the misfortune to speak to.

[Wild Rose]

Originally posted by Picko (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=465041#post465041))
And society hits a new low point. Well done :rolleyes:

The popularity of Heath Ledger is perhaps the leading example of people's superficiality in society. He has the most undesirable personality out of anyone I've had the misfortune to speak to.


Well, lucky me, i've never met him.
I don't think there is anything wrong with being superficial from time to time. Everyone needs a little fantasy.
But for the record, if anyone hit me, it would be last thing they did. Ever.

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[Puffskein]

Charisma will get you anywhere. And lots of girls seem to like a bad boy. Not all of them, though - look at all the Lupin fans.

[MagiCils]

It's a power thing too, though. Lucius has a lot of influence, whether for good or bad, and has a lot of people trembling in fear, if not respect. Ostentatious power has always been considered attractive by a lot of people. It's the sense that theres someone out there who will protect you. Also, if not an affectionate father, he does treat Draco reasonably well, so people can tell themselves he isn't all that bad!

[Amadeus]

I don't like the Malfoys in the book, but I like them in the movie... I guess the main reason is because of the actors... well, but I have had a thing for evil characters in other books/movies before Harry Potter...I mean, they really are interesting characters.. All the noble, good people characters who get everything they want in the end.. It gets a little boring after reading over and over again about. And the Malfoys do have a lot of charisma and attraction about them... But I don't think they would have been as much popular if Tom Felton and Jason Isaacs weren't portraying the Malfoy family... :p

[lorna]

Well, considering how often I defended Severus Snape, i don't think I can comment on how Lucius Malfoy is perceived.

[Hammi]

Originally posted by Picko (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=465041#post465041))
And society hits a new low point. Well done :rolleyes:

The popularity of Heath Ledger is perhaps the leading example of people's superficiality in society. He has the most undesirable personality out of anyone I've had the misfortune to speak to.


yea but he's sure as hell hot

[Kami]

Originally posted by Hammi (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=467604#post467604))
yea but he's sure as hell hot


LOL! He scares me, personally. I keep thinking back to The Patriot.. eeeeh.. :scared: My friend and I are convinced he was supposed to be an evil elf in LotR but he ran away and became an evil wizard instead.

[Hammi]

Originally posted by Kami (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=467620#post467620))
LOL! He scares me, personally. I keep thinking back to The Patriot.. eeeeh.. :scared: My friend and I are convinced he was supposed to be an evil elf in LotR but he ran away and became an evil wizard instead.


very interesting theory, maybe thats what JK is hoping no one guessed. But i must admit when he died in the Patriot i felt a part of me died too.

[Picko]

Originally posted by Hammi (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=467604#post467604))
yea but he's sure as hell hot


Give a rotting fish a lot of money and a good car and you girls would thing it was hot :rolleyes: And people claim guys are superficial...

[Weatherby]

Lucius appears on the surface to have everything under control. He's clever and he doesn't get caught. Some people admire that.
Some people don't even mind that he's a remorseless bigot.

Then there's the Jason Isaac fans but that could be brought up in the Draco Felton thread. :D

[FWOTC]

Character wise... He's a great character by his own right and I think the most important role he played in the book so far is explain partly of his son action.

Beside I love the way he talks... He uses such an high class language with meaning so deep that you have to wonder what he really means at all time ;)

[Wild Rose]

Oh yeah, the language is a good thing. Especially when you spend your days surrounded by boys who can't even master the art of a "g" on the end of certain words, and who think the height of wit is to yell "innitt!!" at everyone who walks past.

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[Fuchsia]

Lucius and Draco are not stylish. They are stylish in the movie. When did Rowling ever say they were handsome? She didn't.
People will see what they want to see. Maybe it is because they are blank that they can be drawn on in that way. The "But he is abused" when we don't know he is and "He'll be good! Hermione will change him!" that come out of nowhere. Readers will always bring their own something to it despite what the author has written.
This is a case of that.

[MakeTeaNotLove]

Originally posted by Wild Rose (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=459565#post459565))
The man is evil. Pure evil. No redeeming features, no reservations, just evil.
So what is the attraction? Why are so many of our members refering to him as 'Luciuous' etc?

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oh come on. he's an intense character, and that appeals to something inside some people. and as for the second part of your question, it's cause a lot of people here don't know how to spell.

[Celestine_Adams]

I think it's mostly b/c some women (and men) find the nazi-fascist-evil type sexy. (I am, however, glad to say I'm not one of them....)

Snape is just a bully whilst Lucius is pure ....evil. I don't get it myself. :??: But I'd be more worried about Voldemort worship. :wacky:

[keskin_snape]

I think this funny part of a fanfic describes some of this topic...... somewhat.
For anyone interested this is from the fanfic "Draco Malfoy the amazing bouncing......rat?" and Draco has been turned into a rat and has become Ron's new pet.
The poor poor child. [oh and btw this is from Draco's pov.]

_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_

She came and sat beside Weasley. Potter joined them, sitting on a chair nearby. Draco was extremely thankful that Potter made no attempt to touch him.

‘Hey, can I hold Fluffy?’ Granger requested.

Weasley beamed with pride. ‘I knew you’d take to him. Of course, you take to anything that’s cute, Hermione,’ he teased.

‘For the fifteen millionth time, I do not!’ said Granger.

‘For the fifteen millionth time,’ said Weasley, and coughed out the name ‘Lockhart!’

‘Oh no, Granger,’ said Draco. ‘Not old Loveheart. Not you, too. I thought you were supposed to be intelligent!’

‘I was twelve!’ Granger said indignantly. ‘I don’t still just go for looks. Otherwise, wouldn’t I be camped outside the Slytherin common room with a placard saying ‘Draco Malfoy, I luuurve you’!’

She laughed casually. Both the Gryffindor boys had frozen in horror.

‘What?’ chorused Weasley, Potter and Draco in shocked unison.

Of course, nobody heard Draco.

Granger looked mildly amused.

‘Oh come on, guys. I don’t fancy the ferret, if that’s what you’re looking Confunded about.’

‘Fancy...’ Weasley seemed to be rendered speechless by sheer disgust.

‘Weasley. It’s not that outlandish a concept, and besides you have me on your lap.’

‘Hermione, I think that gargling noise Ron is making means that you just indicated Malfoy could be considered in any way attractive.’ Potter added hastily, ‘I’m sure you didn’t mean it.’

‘I am in every way attractive!’

‘Ron, Harry. His personality is more corrosive than Bubotuber pus. He’s a nasty, prejudiced scumbag. I’d like to see him fry. But objectively, you have to admit he’s attractive.’

‘**** straight! Oh, and hey about all that other stuff.’

Everyone was still utterly deaf to Draco.

‘You can’t be serious, Hermione,’ Potter was saying weakly.

The gurgling that came from Ron sounded a little like ‘foul, rat face.’

‘Okay, that’s – really pretty accurate,’ Draco had to admit.

Granger sighed. ‘Parvati! Lavendar!’

The two girls came over from the other side of the common room, and immediately began to fuss over Draco again.

‘Draco Malfoy,’ said Granger.

Lavendar pretended to swoon. ‘Where?’

‘Stop rumpling my ears, Weasley. This is getting interesting.’

‘What do you think of him? In a physical sense.’

Lavendar and Parvati clearly had not been thinking of any other sense.

‘He’s gorgeous,’ Parvati sighed. ‘I mean, ever since fifth year – not that he was bad before then, but once he grew up a little...’

‘Got those muscles,’ added Lavendar. She shot Potter a look that suggested Finnegan had competition. ‘All Seekers have that sexy lean-yet- muscled thing going on.’

Potter went red.

‘Go back to me,’ urged Draco.

Parvati clearly needed no encouragement.

‘Those silvery, piercing grey eyes...’

‘That preschool-blond hair...’ Lavendar chimed in.

‘Those cheekbones,’ said Parvati.

‘That face,’ added Lavendar.

‘That body.’

‘I heard he had Veela blood in him.’

‘I bet he does have Veela blood in him!’

‘Careful, now. It’s nice to know I have a fan club, but you are drooling an awful lot and I am a very little rat.’

‘He got sixty-three singing Valentines last year. I hope he liked mine.’

‘I keep watching when Quidditch matches are on,’ Parvati grieved, ‘but so far he’s always been wearing trousers under his robes. So many from the wizarding families don’t.’

‘Everyone seems to these days,� Lavendar said.

Potter went puce.

Draco swore to God that if he ever got out of here, he was giving everyone on his team an extremely urgent warning.

‘I saw him without his shirt on once-’ Parvati confided girlishly.

‘WHAT?’ yelped Draco and Weasley together in pain.

Granger looked horrified. ‘Thank you, that’s quite enough. No need to overshare...’

‘But he’s an evil Slytherin,’ Parvati said hastily. ‘Ugh, Slytherins.’

‘Eeeew, Slytherins,� Lavendar agreed quickly. ‘Down with the Slytherins. Uh – on an unrelated topic, Parvati, could I see you over there for a minute?’

Lavendar and Parvati sped off, giggling.

‘Well, that was... interesting,’ said Draco.

‘Well, that was... disgusting,’ said Potter.

‘You see what I mean?’ Granger asked. ‘Though I wouldn’t have put it like that. He’s a horrible person, and no girl who respected herself would have anything to do with him. But the fact remains that he’s much more handsome than is fair – and he knows it, too.’

[vickygirl4]

Personally, when I read the books, I hated Lucius. But in the movies he's soooo cool! This happens with a lot of characters, like Lockhart, who was awful in the books but likeable in the movies! However, I always keep the book and movie characters separate in my mind.

[Wild Rose]

Haha. Nice fic. Very wierd, but funny.

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[cordeliablack13]

I'm not a huge fan Lucius, but I do like the way he is written. He has a lot of depth and I find him interesting. I am curious to see how he porgresses in the remaining books.
I do like Draco. I don't think he is evil to the core or anything. I think he has had a rotten life and is just trying to find some way to please his parents. I think he could really go either way in life. It just depends on the choices he makes from this point on.

[Dedalus Diggle]

Deep!? Neither of the Malfoys have shown any emotional range whatsoever. Neither have shown any redeeming qualities whatsoever. At most Lucius is cunning, and we don't really know that he even came up with the CoS plot. Snape can be called deep since so far in the books, despite his highly conflicted personality and DE past, he has been a good guy, though in the worst possible way - he is waging a war within himself against his evil impulses and he has the depth to recognize the battle. The only thing shallower than the Malfoys are the people who admire them

[MalfoyIsMINE]

I am not fond of Lucius Malfoy but in a few words I can say that other people are attracted to him simply because he is a "bad boy"....

[Rowena Ravenclaw]

Originally posted by Puffskein (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=465643#post465643))
And lots of girls seem to like a bad boy. Not all of them, though - look at all the Lupin fans.

I dunno--I think when a lot of Lupin's admirers picture him, they get an image of an adorably scruffy but mysterious figure who still needs someone to tame the darkness within him. Aragorn or Wolverine, only slightly more bookish.

But back to Lucius. I think it's true that in comparison to his fellow Death Eaters (Crabbe and Goyle Sr., anyone?), he shows definite intelligence. And where there's intelligence, I suppose there's always hope that the person in question might be led to see reason...with the right influence, of course.

That, and Isaacs is gorgeous.

[Nick]

Originally posted by Picko (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=467850#post467850))
Give a rotting fish a lot of money and a good car and you girls would thing it was hot :rolleyes: And people claim guys are superficial...


It's not superficiality, it's elementary biology. Women are programmed to seek out tip top mates. Money, cars, expensive suits - these are all things that signify wealth and success in society, so naturally anyone owning these things must be a cut above the ordinary, even if he is a bit fugly.

And unless I've very much mistaken, attractiveness has been linked to "superior" genes (as well as the golden ratio).

On topic, neither Draco nor Malfoy appear to me to be attractive. Perhaps that's for the best.

[Wild Rose]

What is the 'golden ratio'? I've not heard that before, as far as I know.

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[Nick]

Totally off topic, but nonetheless,

The Golden Ratio is one of the special ratios in mathematics. It is the exact solution to the equation

1 / x = x / (x + 1)

which reduces to (x + 1) = (x^2), so we get (x^2) - x - 1 = 0. Using the quadratic formula, it becomes x = (1 + sqrt(5)) / 2, which is about equal to 1.618.

Anway the doco I saw said that a scientist found a connection between certain measurements and dimensions of parts of the face, this ratio, and people's perception of beauty. I can't recall anything specific, but he did mention things like the height of the nose compared to the distance between the eyes, or the width of the eyes themselves against the distance between them, that sort of thing. The closer they got to the golden ratio, the greater the chance people would consider it (him? her?) beautiful.

That ratio is one of those numbers that's found in nature, like the Fibonacci series.

It's also very odd mathematically. The ratio squared is equal to the ratio plus 1. Although that should be obvious from the equation I derived earlier, (x^2) = (x + 1).

On topic, Lucius is still a nasty man.

[Wild Rose]

Ah, that. Well, I try to avoid mathamatics, but I do know what you are on about. Best examples seem to be Greek statues, if I remember rightly.

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[Celestine_Adams]

I am not fond of Lucius Malfoy but in a few words I can say that other people are attracted to him simply because he is a "bad boy"....

Erm, this "bad boy" thing...usually refers to men who seem to have an edge, a la Sirius and his flying motorcycle....it does not, however, refer to men who admire Hitler and his philosophy. Some women think that evil = sexy, but I don't think it has anything to do with the "bad boy" icon. :no:

[Celestine_Adams]

It's not superficiality, it's elementary biology. Women are programmed to seek out tip top mates. Money, cars, expensive suits - these are all things that signify wealth and success in society, so naturally anyone owning these things must be a cut above the ordinary, even if he is a bit fugly.

And unless I've very much mistaken, attractiveness has been linked to "superior" genes (as well as the golden ratio).

On topic, neither Draco nor Malfoy appear to me to be attractive. Perhaps that's for the best.

Speaking as a woman, I don't particularly find them attractive either. As far as the "women are programmed biology" theory goes, I don't care how much money he has -- if he turns out to be a high-class criminal who hates anyone who's not like him, I'm outta there. There are more important things to consider in a mate than what he drives, or wears. Just my two cents... :whistle: :p

[RedCape]

How did this become a woman are superficial thread?

I agree with the poster who said there is a difference between a 'bad boy' and an evil person. Sirius for the former and Lucius for the latter. Huge difference!

Also, that golden ratio sounds bogus. Different cultures have different ideas of beauty. Oh, well.

Since I know I look more than skin deep when I meet people, I'm not worried about being called superficial.

By the way, I just don't GET the power thing. I've never found that attractive. Sometimes you see people get all excited about someone they don't know personally, someone who is powerful, but not physically attractive. Strange!

[Metabee]

Ah, so it's just the look in the movies. Well then, you know what this means? TOM FELTON AND THE GUY WHO PLAYS LUCIUS AREN'T GOOD ACTORS.

Let's put it like this. Ok, so we know humans are are shallow :smile: SO... If you have bad actors in the following situation, chances are there are going to be more ' Bad-Guy' like situation.

Ok, so you got this good looking actor playing the bad guy and this not-so good looking actor playing good guy, unless the guys are AMAZING actors, chance are the bad-guys will be liked more.

See, therefore SOMETHING must be wrong with Tom Feltons acting if so many people like him just because of that :rolleyes:

[Aruna]

I don´t think the "Lucius worship" should be anything to worry about, I mean, they´re all fictional characters. If they really existed, and Lucius would indeed look like he does in the movies, he´d still be attractive, but then the fact that he´s just pure evil would be the one that matters.

I personally do like Lucius because he´s portrayed by Jason Isaacs, because I think he has a way of being charmingly, threateningly evil that it´s actually believable why people (especially women) would choose to follow him (and Voldemort, of course).

Again, they´re just fiction, so it doesn´t really matter whether you like Draco or Harry or Hermione or Madam Sprout. Just because someone says "I like Lucius" you can´t lable that person as evil or superficial or bad-boy-loving.

I´m sure that most people wouldn´t like Draco that much if he was real and they had to endure his presence day after day.

But in a way, Lucius is more "reliable" (in a negative way) than Snape,for example. Not in an "I would trust you with my life"-way, but you know that he´s evil and that he´s not gonna change, ever. So you know pretty much exactly where he´s standing, which cannot be said about Snape.

If anyone got the core of what I wanted to say, congratulations. I´m not even sure if I did.

[Picko]

How did this become a woman are superficial thread?

When I decided it would be :D Anyway it's essentially what the topic boils down too.

[drowned]

*thinks for about fifteen minutes*
m'kay.

MovieLucius is liked for his looks, yes, same with Draco.
Looks sell, like sex sells, ban me for mentioning it, but it's the truth.
And yes people would probably be swooning over Hitler if Heath Ledger played him in a movie, and that's sick.

But the same would happen if...say...ms Anderson ex-Lee played...[i can't come up with a real life female villain right now help me out please]

We can't do much about that, that's just how people's mind's work.
We're a sad species, really, both male and female :rolleyes: :D
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I don't particularly like BookLucius, I kind of dislike part of him, but I can't hate him. I don't know him well enough to hate him. I just know
he's a follower, a weak man.
He doesn't have the guts to stand up against Voldemort.
I, personally, find that amusing.

I think it's great that you can like a character in a book who's so extremely unlikable and as you say ''evil'', while you don't have to worry about being politically correct, because it's not real.

i hope that made sense..
I hope people can see the line between reality [whatever it is] and fiction.
I know J.K. uses real history in her stories and I know the might warn us in a way, but i don't think we should dig in too deep, it's not healthy. :shrug:

[Wild Rose]

but i don't think we should dig in too deep, it's not healthy. :shrug:

Ah, the joys of being a psychology student. ;)

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[Tirwen Lupin]

I think people are after Lucius so much because they're after the way he's portrayed in the movie by Jason Isaacs, not the character Lucius himself. I think it's pretty much the same thing with the Draco-mania. I don't like either character in either the book or movie (as a matter of fact, they're two of my least favorite characters), but that's just my opinion. The way people start to "worship" Lucius, yeah, that bugs me too. It starts to seem like they're worshiping evil, just because they think a character is good-looking.

[Alcina]

I don´t think the "Lucius worship" should be anything to worry about, I mean, they´re all fictional characters. If they really existed, and Lucius would indeed look like he does in the movies, he´d still be attractive, but then the fact that he´s just pure evil would be the one that matters.

I personally do like Lucius because he´s portrayed by Jason Isaacs, because I think he has a way of being charmingly, threateningly evil that it´s actually believable why people (especially women) would choose to follow him (and Voldemort, of course).



Yup, that's about right.

There's a difference between fiction and reality. Fiction is there so we can enjoy things that we know are in fact wrong without harming anyone. In reality I don't even pull weeds out of my lawn because I don't think it's right to harm any living thing unless it's harming you. But I'm one of the aforementioned women who worships the Dark Lord like crazy (and Malfoy too to a certain extent). He fascinates me so powerfully that I can't find words to descibe it. But if he were real, he'd be more or less the same sort of person as Osama bin Laden or any similar terrorist trying to overthrow society, and I'd hate him.

[hermione_fan]

I agree. It is because he is good looking. If he wasn't, there wouldn't very many people who would like him. Some girls just like bad boys.

[lupe]

I'm not a huge fan Lucius, but I do like the way he is written. He has a lot of depth and I find him interesting. I am curious to see how he porgresses in the remaining books.
I do like Draco. I don't think he is evil to the core or anything. I think he has had a rotten life and is just trying to find some way to please his parents. I think he could really go either way in life. It just depends on the choices he makes from this point on.
I agree with you.
Draco is my favorite "bad guy" in the books. I like to hate him.Lucius however, I can't stand him but I want to see what happens to him and his fellow death eaters.
I also think Draco could be an alright person, which probably won't happen due to the way he was rasied but he may surprise us,depending on his choices.
I suppose Lucius is appealing because he is a bad, tough guy, and he has some funny, mean comments in the series and perhaps because some people find him good looking.

[bellatrix669]

I'm sure that there were Lucius fans before the movie came out. Some of the current Lucius/Draco fans out there saw the movies and suddenly became infatuated with them, while others (including yours truly) saw their power and ability to make others suffer at will as a cool thing. I know this is slightly off-topic, but bear with me because I do have a point. In some online "communities," people become criminals and do their best to harass others within the community. Yet these same perpetrators may be your next-door neighbor, or any other law-abiding citizen who would never commit a crime in real life. I think the Lucius/Draco worship is similar in this respect; one sees Draco tormenting Ron and thinks "Geez, I'd sure like to do that to my evil boss/bully/teacher." The ability to control others' comfort level has always been a desirable trait to much of humanity (look at voodoo, various methods of torture, &c.). I know this probably doesn't encompass all Lucius fans' ways of thinking and justifications; this is just my $.02.

[ginnybatbogeysyou]

OK, Lucius is just plain creepy. I don't like his blonde hair, his creepy blue eyes or the not-very-fashionable tie in his hair.

[Figwit]

Like someone here mentioned, we females are "programmed" to be attracted to the 'alpha males' and Lucius Malfoy is pretty much an alpha male:
Manly and good looking, highly intelligent, has a high social status, is always in control and most importantly- powerful.
I'm not sure why the fact he's evil adds to the appeal for many women. Maybe it's because being evil means not playing by the rules = confidence, power.

Now if I met someone like Lucius in real life I would hate him with a passion but there is a big difference between fantasy and reality. In real life I'm most attracted to sweet geeky guys who can't hurt a fly.
Loving Lucius is really just indulging my base instincts *shrug*

[wolfie]

lots of girls seem to like a bad boy. Not all of them, though - look at all the Lupin fans.

tee-hee. ^_^

but I think that one main reason for the Lucius love is his portrayal in the movies. Another reason might be that people are trying to gain attention by liking the evil characters. Also, there are those who are attracted to the 'bad' guys, and then there are those who actually are evil themselves....

[Angora]

The "Lucious" thing: I've been guilty of spelling it wrong a few times myself, because I always look at it and say "that can't be how it's spelled". And then I keep changing letters until I can't tell any more.

I have no particular feelings about book Lucius, because he's really not there enough for me to get a feeling on his character. Movie Lucius is easy on the eyes. But I still have no particular feelings about the character.

I'm not sure what there is to like about him, because he's barely there. I'm sure being a DE and being mean to his elf aren't the entire sum of his being, but I also don't think we're ever going to find out anything deeper about him. He's one of the two-dimensional characters, as far as I know.

But now that I think about it, that might be part of the appeal. That people can fill in the blanks with whatever pleases them the most, and there's no cannon evidence to contradict it.

[Pumpkin Juice]

I usually don't like villans and maybe I wouldn't like Lucius as much if I hadn't seen the movies (though I saw the movies before I read any of the books). Jason Isaacs plays the man beautifully. He's delightfully wicked and fun for a villan. I just want to see him get what's coming to him and I loved the scene where he showed up at the Ministry of Magic to confront Harry.

[Fleur du mal]

I can't quite see where's the problem?
The characters like Lucius are the spice of a good book, or film, aren't they? I have a long personal history of that, starting out with Darth Vader 15 years ago. He was so **** cool, I thought with eleven, and NO, I did not even know that he had the "good core" as for a long time, I only knew the first movie. Later, when the Emperor was introduced, I found no taste for him, just like I never held much interest for Voldemort; they are the finals or how should I say. It's the characters like Lucius and Bellatrix (I'm on my knees for the gift of a great female villain, you're not rewarded too often with that), Darth Vader, Benjamin Horne (Twin Peaks, anyone?) that thrill me. The Gary Oldman fans among us may have seen the Coppola version of Dracula? Dracula is a vampire and he kills people, yes, but adoring him in the movie doesn't make me a potential serial killer as well, and in the "real world", I do not sympathize either (with the serial killers, I mean, vampires aren't THAT often on the news :evil: ). It's about literature! How boring would a book be if everybody was as nice as Harry and Hagrid?
Maybe we fall for the movie villains so easily because we avoid people like them in the real life so much. It's like being in the zoo and staring at the spiders behind the thick glass (like Ron, I'm seriously arachnophobic).

[Dottie]

I think there is a definite seperation between a naughty young boy with no real outside influence for 11 years outside his bigot father who taught him all about being superior and hating people below you and a grown up who has yet after all these years to break an ignorant pattern.

I do not "admire" anything about Lucius, he makes my skin crawl. I do like Draco only in the fact that I do hope to see him redeemed by the end of all this. I will probably be disappointed if he stays such a rotten brat. :(

[loony4moony]

I suppose whether or not liking the evil characters could be regarded as wrong depends on how seriously you take it, and that's up to the individual.

It ocassionally worries me when people quote some of Draco's crueller insults (eg to Neville) as their favourite 'funny' quotes- it feels, somehow, like they've missed the point. Or maybe I'm taking this too seriously. :) It's like the 'Voldy' thing...JKR said not to do it, but then found it terribly funny when everyone took her at her word!

In the end, I suppose it boils down to the fact that this is fiction, and so it's really rather ridiculous to make a fuss over it...but it's still a rather worrying reflection on society that people find a character who tortures muggles for fun 'sexy'.

[Dottie]

I suppose whether or not liking the evil characters could be regarded as wrong depends on how seriously you take it, and that's up to the individual.


JRK even said that she was shocked that people wanted to be Slytherin (emphasis mine, of course), probably because she had done a lot to portray them as a rather surly, bully bunch. But I agree that it is up to the individual.

[Katarzyna]

The man is evil. Pure evil. No redeeming features, no reservations, just evil.
You're absolutely right.

So what is the attraction? Why are so many of our members refering to him as 'Luciuous' etc?
I prefer to call him The Sexy. ;)

Lucius in the movies is a classic villain--he's wealthy and aristocratic, stylish, good looking, and charismatic. He's a great character to drool over, all the while admitting he has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

I really don't see anyone excusing Lucius' behavior or actions, and I don't think people are being superficial. They - ok, we - are just having fun with a fictional character.

[Bouncing_Ferret]

Too true. Deep down everyone (or a fair few people anyway) enjoys a bit of old-fashioned evilness, which Lucius, of course, embodies. And it is all in fun, anyway! :D

[Fleur du mal]

I prefer to call him The Sexy. ;)

Lucius in the movies is a classic villain--he's wealthy and aristocratic, stylish, good looking, and charismatic. He's a great character to drool over, all the while admitting he has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

I really don't see anyone excusing Lucius' behavior or actions, and I don't think people are being superficial. They - ok, we - are just having fun with a fictional character.

I never had a clue that I might ever fall for blonde :eyebrows:

I whole-heartedly agree with you. I think there is a big difference between the Lucius-fans and many of the Draco-fans who are still trying to find something good about the boy, while Lucius is without doubt "rotten to the core".
I think it far better to channel the malicious tendencies that everybody has (I got the creeps for example when reading some of the threads after OotP came out, with all those violent suggestions how to get back on Kreacher and Bellatrix - there, it's no discussion about the deed of a fictional character, but the other way round, and I found it really scary how imaginative people can become when it's about torture!) by reading a book or watch a movie and enjoy the ways of Snape (I thought him to be the villain all along PS) or later Lucius or now Bella.

[Katarzyna]

I whole-heartedly agree with you. I think there is a big difference between the Lucius-fans and many of the Draco-fans who are still trying to find something good about the boy, while Lucius is without doubt "rotten to the core".
Right. I might get worried if hordes of fangirls start saying things like, "Narcissa is so lucky!", or claim that Lucius isn't all that bad and doesn't belong in Azkaban. I totally support his going to Azkaban--as long as he still gets good screen time! ;)

[Cindy]

Most people are just obsessing with the movie Lucius, played by Jason Issacs, which is a stylish and loveable man. I, for one, love watching Jason Issacs's movies, such as Lucius in Harry Potter and Hook in Peter Pan. But I certainly hate Lucius Malfoy the character. He chose to turn to the dark side, and now his son has no choice but to follow his examples and be evil. I for one don't think that Draco was born evil, it's just that he looks up to his father, Lucius Malfoy, and follows his actions and opinions on things, that makes him what he is now. I hate Lucius Malfoy. :td:

[Inkwolf]

I understand people who want to fantasize about being in Slytherin. I'm a member of a Star Wars club where we pretend to be members of the Empire, and it's great fun to tough-talk and think of horrible racist remarks to say about Ewoks and Gungans, and send our imaginary enemies down to the interrogation chambers, and twist the movies around from the other view to show how the Rebels are evil anarchists destroying the peace of an ordered galaxy.. .being a total, sneering, arrogant bully can be great fun to roleplay (as long as it's all imaginary and nobody gets hurt!)

And I often find the villains in books and movies to be much more prepossessing and interesting than the heroes. Which sometimes ruins good entertainment.

Fortunately for me, Harry Potterwise, Snape is there and is one of the good guys, with all the snide remarks, unintentional humor, complxity, danger and pathos any good villain could hope for.

The REAL villains of Harry Potter have no charm, no humor, nothing the least bit attractive about them. I'm always grateful for a villain I can truly dislike, and I enjoy loathing the Malfoys and Voldemort. Lucius Malfoy is imminently dislikeable, Draco only less so because (as has been said) with youth and intelligence there's hope for change. Voldemort is utterly unappealing (and yet still a strong villain.) Bellatrix is just SCARY.

And yet....my jaw dropped when I saw Jason Isaacs as Lucius. That swirling cape, that long, ice-blonde hair, that arrogant, upward tilt of the chin....No, I don't REALLY like Luscious Lucius Malfoy. It's just my hormones and a guy in a wig. :p

For the sake of our male participants, I hope to God they don't get someone sexy to play Bella!!!

[Dottie]

I understand people who want to fantasize about being in Slytherin.

I just wanted to point out that I don't believe all Slytherin are evil, snipey little babies like Draco and the crew. But thats a whooole other topic. ;)

(Don't hate me for taking out most of your post. It was a good post. :p)

[Mesmirez]

What's worse is the Snape worship. It said in the book that he has sallow skin, a large hooked nose, and uneven yellow teeth. Wow, attractive. Pair that up with his "charming" personality and you've got one handsome bugger, I'll tell you.

And Lucius? Well, let's see:
He was in the Department of Mysteries, trying to kill innocent children for a glass ball
He tortured poor Dobby
He gave Riddle's Diary to poor Ginny
Oh, if you need more, just ask.

[Inkwolf]

I just wanted to point out that I don't believe all Slytherin are evil, snipey little babies like Draco and the crew. But thats a whooole other topic. ;)

(Don't hate me for taking out most of your post. It was a good post. :p)

No problem, you kept the part you were replying to. ;)

Oh, yeah...re Slytherin, you're right, I forgot to mention the appeal of defending the unjustly-portrayed underdog.

I NEVER do anything like THAT. EVER. :elaugh:

Oh, well, back to the Snape threads to explain how he's the true hero of the books...

[Discordia]

People see Snape as being some tortured little fluff ball of love. Lucius is evil and he's a slime ball. THere's no defendng his character. He's a horrible person. Girls love a bad boy so naturally they like these two but I'd take Sirius over them any day of the week.

[phowell13]

JRK even said that she was shocked that people wanted to be Slytherin (emphasis mine, of course), probably because she had done a lot to portray them as a rather surly, bully bunch. But I agree that it is up to the individual.

I agree with inkwolf, but I also think that not everyone in Slytherin can be all bad. For instance, the sorting hat in fifth year said:

for were there such friends anywhere
as Slytherin and Gryffindor?

Granted they parted ways, but there must have been some common ground between the two. And, if Harry hadn't told the hat not to put him in Slytherin the hat would have put him there. Slytherins are ambitious, but ambition itself isn't bad.

Look at Phineas Nigelus. He was a Slytherin and he became headmaster of Hogwarts (granted he was the least popular).

Now back to Lucius topic. While I am definitely in the Snape appreciation club, I think the fascination with Lucius is he represents an amazing view of evil. Here is a person who looks nice, has impecable manners and is always looking out for numero uno. He gets out of tight situations (remember Voldemort refers to him as his slippery friend) and the first time around he claimed Imperious. He isn't the typical bad guy - ugly and stupid. Given his power, money and intellect you can imagine him being a worthy adversary. This makes the overall enjoyment of the story better for me. That is why I like Lucius.

[Katarzyna]

Oh, yeah...re Slytherin, you're right, I forgot to mention the appeal of defending the unjustly-portrayed underdog.
Slytherins... underdogs????? You're joking, right?

[Deliah]

I think "bad" characters are much more interesting than plain good characters, thats why Snape is my fav character and thats why I started to like Harry more in OotP because he revealed a more dark side ... it ads another dimension to his personality.

About worshiping: I'm worshiping Jasons pretty blue eyes. If this makes me "superficial" - so be it. :)

[Violet Tonks]

I don't think Lucius or Draco in the movies are remotely good-looking. Since the books are from Harry's point of view, they are described as being ugly. But if they were in, say, Pansy's point of view they'd be described as being drop-dead gorgeous. Beauty is just in the eye of the beholder. Besides, they aren't even good at being evil. What has Draco actually done to make him anything besides a spoiled brat? Has Lucius actually done anything evil as a Death Eater, besides levitating a few Muggles, something Muggle magicians do all the time? Hail Voldemort, at least he's a good villain.

[Katarzyna]

I don't think Lucius or Draco in the movies are remotely good-looking.
Well, I think Tom Felton looks like a kid (and given my age, that's probably a good thing), so I have no opinion on Draco. But I am curious--whom do you find good looking, if not Jason Isaacs as Lucius Malfoy?

[Inkwolf]

Has Lucius actually done anything evil as a Death Eater, besides levitating a few Muggles, something Muggle magicians do all the time?

:rotfl: Great post! :rotfl:

Well, though, Lucius slipped Tom Riddle's diary into Ginny's school stuff, and he kicks house elves. And he bought Slytherin new brooms, which amounts to a crime in some of these Gryffy-lovers' eyes! :rotfl:

[Katarzyna]

Well, though, Lucius slipped Tom Riddle's diary into Ginny's school stuff, and he kicks house elves.
Well, he did try to kill Harry a few times. And he got Dumbledore removed, and tried to get Buckbeak killed and Hagrid fired. Plus, he raised Draco--that's got to count against him.

And he bought Slytherin new brooms, which amounts to a crime in some of these Gryffy-lovers' eyes! :rotfl:
Oh yes, he bought his son's way onto the Slytherin quiddich team. Personally, I appreciate that move--it gives Harry more opportunity to show up Draco.

One of my favorite Lucius moments (actually, every time he's onscreen is a favorite Lucius moment) is when Draco wipes out playing Quiddich. They cut to Lucius, and it's pretty clear he's not at all concerned whether his son has broken his neck or not. He's just disappointed Draco didn't catch the snitch, and brought shame to Slytherin by letting Gryffindor beat them.

[michaela]

I think that Lucius is evil, as being a Death Eater on Voldermort's side shows he is on the bad side.

[Fleur du mal]

Yes, well, I pointed out in several threads that I do not believe in a thing like "evil", but I certainly agree that Lucius is a bad man, and hope that he'll have a good end to him (I think that Draco just dies, and Lucius is left, seeing his precious lineage extinguish, sitting in Azkaban, that'd deserve him right). But like Katarzyna said, I hope he'll have many great lines to say until that, and no, Inkwolf, it's not only for the screen time (thought that is most wonderful) and also that the guys get their fair share, why should bad woman all look like hags (in HP, we have still Umbridge and Sirius mom to cast, and after casting a model-like actress for Rita, you'll surely be surprised anyway).

I can thoroughly understand you Inkwolf, about the Star Wars Thingy, I was a great fan as well, mostly of Leia (she kicked *** for her time) and Darth Vader (the thing with the flowing black coats works still, Lucius, Trinity ... - :cool: ). I was younger then, obviously, but the enthusiasm still works the same, I love Hermione because she's the "Don't mess with me, or you mess with the best" type of girl, and I rave about the characters of Lucius and Bellatrix (yes, she WAS scary, wasn't she awesome?!), phowell13 put the fascination very nicely.

Katarzyna, I guess the "underdog" phenomenon isn't necesarily connected to being without means, it can often refer to the outcasts, and as the books show Harry's point of view, the Slytherin ARE outcasts for the reader, even if they have money or relations to those in power. In Twin Peaks, for those who've seen it, there's the Horne family, who have a lot of parallels to the Malfoys, they own the place, are arrogant and condescending, and the only daughter Audrey is a total outcast as well, people despise her for her heritage and arrogance. I was thirteen when the show was running, and Audrey was my absolute favourite, she was great and she had all the good lines. Siding with those that nobody would side with can be a lot of fun.

[Katarzyna]

Katarzyna, I guess the "underdog" phenomenon isn't necesarily connected to being without means, it can often refer to the outcasts, and as the books show Harry's point of view, the Slytherin ARE outcasts for the reader, even if they have money or relations to those in power.
There's a difference between being disliked and being an underdog. While I think the Slytherin house sometimes gets a bad rap in Harry's eyes, and in the eyes of many readers, I don't see them as being underdogs at all. The Malfoys have money and power, and use that money and power for evil means. Snape has authority, and uses his status to bully children.

It's not their status or means that makes them disliked, it's how they use their status and means. Certainly the readers don't dislike Sirius because he's wealthy--he uses his wealth for the good of the wizarding word, even if he is personally hurt by the decisions he makes. Nor do the readers hate McGonnagal for being very strict--she uses her authority fairly.

The Malfoys and Snape have the power to make different decisions. Now, if Snape decided to be nice to Neville, and everyone thought he was just being sarcastic or setting up Neville, then he might begin to have underdog status. If Lucius Malfoy decided to leave the death eaters and join the good side, but no one on the good side believed him, then he might begin to qualify for underdog status. But as they stand now, based on the decisions they make, no, they're not underdogs, not at all.

[mevam]

He's a badboy and fairly attractive, and that's what probably gets most people. Personally, I've never found Jason Isaacs to be attractive, but he does have that smug look about his face which seems to be what some people look for in a crush? It's hard to explain, but I have friends who will fall for cocky types just because they think them to be mysterious and sexy, I don't know what there is in that though. There's just something about long hair on guys though, especially older guys with fairly well proportioned faces, that can really get people giddy: caseinpoint: Professor Snape.

[shortie]

isaacs?? attractive? nah. not what i'd consider attractive. but i agree, some people have a thing with men and long hair.

[Deliah]

Its not about Jason Isaacs hair (which are not his hair anyway) but about his eyes :drool:

[Vequihellin]

Why is the Lucius worship worrying?? Lucius Malfoy is QUALITY! "Now now Draco, Play nicely" Mind you, I think a large part of it is insane beauty of Jason Isaacs, he is so PRETTY, especially in that Blonde wig! LOL
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[Fugus]

Basically I love every evil character. When I say 'evil' I mean 'pure evil like' voldy, Malefoy and other Death-eaters (Snape included). Not characters like the Great "Toad-face" Inquisitor who are just 'fake evil'. I think great evil characters make great stories, they are much more interresting and often much smarter than the 'Good'/'too-Predictable' characters. This is why I hate harry so much :)

[Deliah]

:D yummy pictures!
*is 100% awake again*

Talking about Jason Isaacs - I read that he said he will do "just a little filming for Harry Potter (gof)" :(
They better not cut him out!

[Katarzyna]

Talking about Jason Isaacs - I read that he said he will do "just a little filming for Harry Potter (gof)" :(
They better not cut him out!
I can't imagine they would--he's at the graveyard at the end, and that scene is rather important. I hope to see him at the Quiddich World Cup, too, but I'm afraid they're probably going to cut quite a bit of that.

It's too bad he spends so much time manipulating thing behind the scenes. He's far too pretty for that.

[Mrs Padfoot]

...but it's still a rather worrying reflection on society that people find a character who tortures muggles for fun 'sexy'.

I agree, but you have to hope that they don't mean it seriously.

I think that from watching the film, people think about the looks of a character more than their personalities. Tom Felton is very good-looking :drool: so I think a lot of people think of him when they think of Draco, so I understand the attraction. But when you think about how truly nasty Draco is, I don't see how anybody can like him.

I find it even harder to sympathise with Lucious fans, mainly because I don't find Jacob Isaacs sexy. But I suppose it's the same principle; that people imagine the actor when reading the character and so are attracted to the looks of that character, so they forget how evil that character actually is.

[Inkwolf]

I can't imagine they would--he's at the graveyard at the end, and that scene is rather important. I hope to see him at the Quiddich World Cup, too, but I'm afraid they're probably going to cut quite a bit of that.


I've heard that the World Cup is going to be completely cut out, as well as the Dursleys. And he wears a mask in the graveyard (and had only one or two lines in the book, so theoretically, they could get someone less expensive to play him for that film!)

But we'll have to wait and see.

[Katarzyna]

I've heard that the World Cup is going to be completely cut out, as well as the Dursleys.
Which makes a lot of sense, given how long the book is.

And he wears a mask in the graveyard (and had only one or two lines in the book, so theoretically, they could get someone less expensive to play him for that film!)
They're not hurting for money, are they? And even though he's hooded and wearing a mask, they'll probably remove those for the movie, in standard Hollywood fashion. Gotta see the face and the hair, even if it doesn't make sense for warriors to fight without helmets.

[Inkwolf]

They're not hurting for money, are they?

No, but budgets are painfully finite things, no matter how big they look...and paying a few hundred thousand less for a single actor in a tiny role gives them a few hundred thousand more to animate wisecracking shrunken heads. ;)

And even though he's hooded and wearing a mask, they'll probably remove those for the movie, in standard Hollywood fashion. .

If they have Isaacs they certainly will! I can't imagine any hollywood star willing to be masked for his only scene.

[Bouncing_Ferret]

Mask Jason Isaacs? Preposterous! C'est incroyable!

I know that GoF has got to be sliced down to within an inch of its narrative-y life, but I really, really hope that they don't cut poor Isaacs out too much. Because frankly, he's a dish, and the more the merrier I say! :D

[Vequihellin]

:D yummy pictures!
*is 100% awake again*

Talking about Jason Isaacs - I read that he said he will do "just a little filming for Harry Potter (gof)" :(
They better not cut him out!
I know, I can't even look at the one of him in the blonde wig because it sends my pulse to a level that is quite frankly dangerous! LOL

They had better not cut out The world cup - I'd quite happily sacrifice the Dursleys and all that funny stuff in the campsite as well as the Yule Ball (I don't enjoy that chapter) just so we can see Lucius and Narcissa Malfoy (I am WELL interested to know who they are going to cast as Narcissa).

Come on, you have to admit even his name rolls off the tongue with a pleasant sigh: Lucius Malfoy - It is, in my opinion, the best name in the series!

I agree with people when they say that People imagine the *extremelygoodlooking* actor when they read the books but for my tuppenceworth, I always did imagine Lucius Malfoy as looking like Jason Isaacs LONG before I ever saw CoS and when I saw him it was like, "WOW, How perfectly cast is he?" I felt the same about Alan Rickman as Snape too btw.

Veq.

[Deliah]

Mmh ... dark mask and just Jason's blue eyes visible ... that surely is a good effect.


On another note: I do feel some sympathy for Draco because having a family like his doesn't sound like much fun. And I think he has no real friends in school either.

[Mrs Padfoot]

And I think he has no real friends in school either.

But whose fault is that?

[Deliah]

But whose fault is that?

Good question. First answer would of course be: Draco's. But can someone have a real friendship if he has never learned how this works?

[FireNymph]

This is totally off topic, but they CAN'T cut the world cup! i know its sad, but that was one of my favorite parts and i will be really miffed if they skip that!!!! UGH!!!!

[Vequihellin]

I agree, we get no quidditch at Hogwarts in GoF so there had better be some World cup action!!!! It is the only World Cup final you'll ever catch me watching so they had better make it good!!! PLUS We missed out on Luscious, sorry, er, I mean Lucius Malfoy in PoA, They CAN'T cut him out of GoF - I'll not be able to stand it!!!!! LOL

I can quite happily live without the Yule ball though, it's not really all that integral to the story is it? It is, after all, simply a showcase for Harry and Ron's adolesent insecurities regarding girls (although I am sure a LARGE number of the 'Drools-over-Emma-Watson' fanclub will want to see Hermione looking beautiful, and a number of the Ron/Hermione shippers will want to see the most FAMOUS of all R/Hr shippy arguements at the end too.)

I reckon they'll cut the prefects bathroom scene because its too complicated to do in the short timespan which means that they are going to have to do something really weird to the egg clue to cut that out. I also hope we see more Dobby - he was great!! LOL "and Dobby...Dobby is...FREE"

Veq.

[Fleur du mal]

First of all, Jason Isaacs had a "mask-cameo" in an Paul Anderson movie, I think it's the end of Resident Evil. The graveyard scene would be quite a reprise of that. Apart form that, I forgot who stated it, with him it's about the eyes, and the voice, so a mask isn't too bad (even if I have to admit that I liked the blonde wig).

Reading the past posts, I have the impression that were somehow not talking about the same subject, are we? At least, we seem to point at some very different levels. I think, for once the word "worship" might be misleading, and the irony when somebody writes, "Lucious - er, sorry, Lucius" can't be ignored, can it?

I'm always a little worried when people lose every self-irony, this is a book series, not the bible. Sympathizing with a character like Lucius does not make us potentially dangerous or vote for god-knows-who or whatever, it's about fun, isn't it? That's at least why I read the books, I'm not looking for a moral guideline explaining me the ways of the world here :eyebrows:

[Bouncing_Ferret]

I'm always a little worried when people lose every self-irony, this is a book series, not the bible. Sympathizing with a character like Lucius does not make us potentially dangerous or vote for god-knows-who or whatever, it's about fun, isn't it? That's at least why I read the books, I'm not looking for a moral guideline explaining me the ways of the world here :eyebrows:

Pre-bloody-cisely! Well said, Fleur du mal, that's exactly what I think but am too inarticulate to express without sounding like an oik! It would be very odd indeed if people adopted the HP series as their code of morality and values! It is about fun, and therefore there shouldn't be any harm at all in drooling over a fictional character, even if he is a bit... evil.... :D

[Fleur du mal]

Thank you so much :blush:

[Violet Tonks]

Originally Posted By: Katarzyna
But I am curious--whom do you find good looking, if not Jason Isaacs as Lucius Malfoy?
Gary Oldman as Sirius. Didn't really like him in the book, though.

Anyway, so Lucius is a little evil. He has yet to live up to the great Peter Pettigrew, though. Besides the scene at the World Cup and graveyard, I don't remember him in GoF at all. Better re-read it. And the 'evil' things he does are simply childish, like whatever he has against Hagrid and Arthur Weasley. But buying the Slytherin team brooms and raising Draco are simply unforgivable. Who knows, they may have him show up at the Yule Ball just to get on Harry's nerves.

[Fleur du mal]

oh, that's a wonderful idea, don't we forget: they're wearing dress robes on that ball. I LOVE floating black coats. He could dance with McGonagall, I would die laughing.

[Deliah]

I'm always a little worried when people lose every self-irony, this is a book series, not the bible. Sympathizing with a character like Lucius does not make us potentially dangerous or vote for god-knows-who or whatever, it's about fun, isn't it? That's at least why I read the books, I'm not looking for a moral guideline explaining me the ways of the world here :eyebrows:

Thats exactly it (well, for me the bible is only a book too). Thinking certain characters in a book are interesting or liking the way an actor looks does not make someone an evil person ...
I'm much more worried about people that support right winged politicians because these are real people and they can cause great damage (as we can see at the moment ... )

And I'm always wondering about this Lucious / Lucius thing - if JKR thought about this too when picking the name.

[Katarzyna]

Anyway, so Lucius is a little evil. He has yet to live up to the great Peter Pettigrew, though.
You're right--he's not even a very effective at being an evil person. But he's soooooo good looking... well, in my opinion, that is. :blush:

Besides the scene at the World Cup and graveyard, I don't remember him in GoF at all. Better re-read it.
I think that was it, but the Graveyard scene was very important.

Who knows, they may have him show up at the Yule Ball just to get on Harry's nerves.
oh, that's a wonderful idea, don't we forget: they're wearing dress robes on that ball. I LOVE floating black coats. He could dance with McGonagall, I would die laughing.
What a lovely idea! They won't do it for the movie, but perhaps they could give us an hour of so worth of Lucius missing scenes and outtakes on the DVD.

[Dedalus Diggle]

I'm much more worried about people that support right winged politicians because these are real people and they can cause great damage (as we can see at the moment ... )

Let's not inject too much blatant politicking in here. Let me assure you that the left-wing is every bit as much a danger as is the right wing. Freedom and prosperity come with civil rights (which necessarily must apply equally to all, else you are speaking of a special priviliege) and diffuse political power - both the left and the right seek to accumulate political power for themselves to subjugate the people.

[Deliah]

Let's not inject too much blatant politicking in here. Let me assure you that the left-wing is every bit as much a danger as is the right wing. Freedom and prosperity come with civil rights (which necessarily must apply equally to all, else you are speaking of a special priviliege) and diffuse political power - both the left and the right seek to accumulate political power for themselves to subjugate the people.

You are right of course - a lot of the left wing governments we saw in the past did no good either (talking about communists here mostly) but the recent problems we have are caused by right winged governments and it seems that right winged ideas get more support recently ... but anyway ... I did not mean to start a discussion about political ideas, it was just an example.

[Runa]

How did this become a woman are superficial thread?
Because it's about a character who's major redeeming factor is that he's played by Jason Isaacs. ;)


I agree with the poster who said there is a difference between a 'bad boy' and an evil person. Sirius for the former and Lucius for the latter. Huge difference!
Well, yes and no.

On the one hand, most girls who like "bad boys" really like ones like Sirius... passionate, somewhat roguish rebels with good hearts. Then there are people like my friend Charlane, who have a fascination with the dark, gothic, mysterious and/or macabre. THOSE ones, who technically ARE going for a "bad boy" (but obviously, a different kind) tend to go for characters like the Malfoys, particulary ones like Lucius, who seem to have some brains to go with the pretty face and evil nature.

Then there are people like myself, who love a good villain in a story but still definately root for the good guys. I appreciate the way the Malfoys fill their roles as bully and manipulative-man-who-bribes-his-way-up so well, and I do think that their respective actors are handsome (you have to realize: actors and characters are two different things!)... but as far as who I think is worthy of my personal "mock-drooling", I'd have to go with Sirius and Lupin (I have a thing for werewolf stories, though, so that could be a factor XD). I kind of like Jason Isaacs, though I had never really seenhim in anything (that I'm aware of) before CoS. He makes a great villain, and if you watch the actor interviews on the CoS DVD, you'll find that Isaacs seems to have a good sense of humor, too. ^^ But yeah, though I like the actor, I DO NOT drool over the character ;) Two vastly different things, in my mind, though many who are Malfoy fans seem to confuse the two.


Also, that golden ratio sounds bogus. Different cultures have different ideas of beauty. Oh, well.
But I doubt any culture enjoys a set of eyes where one is higher than the other. I'm not sure EXACTLY about that "Golden Ratio" thing, but I did see a program on Discovery channel once that showed that symmetry is often a factor in perceptions of physical beauty - if the face is fairly symmetrical, it is more likely to be considered attractive (assuming there isn't somethng like really bad skin too). This makes sense, in a way, because you wouldn't want your kids having one eye higher than the other, or a nose that was off-center, right?

But yes, other than this very basic formula of symmetry (which is somewhat modifiable; for instance, in modern western cultures a small mole in the right place on the chin - which would actually be a breakage of symmerty, I'd say- is often considered attractive as a"beauty mark")... yes, cultures do have great variations in beauty. For instance, in the west, a tan is considered attractive... but in many parts of asia, such as Japan, it is pale skin that is considered attractive. Some people might like "square" jaws, others might prefer pointier ones, some might like a little weight on a person, others want to see them anorexically thin. But symmetry is still a big factor, at least when it comes to facial features. Not the only one, but A factor ;)



Since I know I look more than skin deep when I meet people, I'm not worried about being called superficial.
Sadly, even those of us who look beyond mere looks usually make up our minds about a person within the first 30-60 seconds of meeting them, or at least so says a couple of recent studies (I read it in Reader's Digest a few months ago in an article on how to give better first impressions). However, I'm always glad to see somebody who TRIES to look beyond looks ;) That's always nice. I'm the same way (though it may have more to do with how many "handsome" guys and "pretty" girls at my school are real jerks, so I know all too well that an attractive face does not nessicarily make for an attractive personality ;) ).


By the way, I just don't GET the power thing. I've never found that attractive. Sometimes you see people get all excited about someone they don't know personally, someone who is powerful, but not physically attractive. Strange!
To paraphrase a particularly strange episode of Stargate: SG1 (in which there was a disease that made anyone who got it revert to a very primitive mental state): "[Primitive] Females often [are very attracted] to what they percieve as the strongest ["Alpha"] male in a group." The reason? Probably some base instinct having to do with those in positions of power supposedly having either more physical prowess or greater cunning than others (which eventually went out the window when we invented money and "inheritance", it seems). Still, it's not just "stronger/smarter genes" - it's probably also got something to do with security. A guy with a lot of money probably won't soon run out, and if you're his "mate", you probably won't either; a guy in a seat of power is "attractive" often because people want a piece of that power, and/or the prestige that comes with being close to it.

I didn't say it was right, and in many cases it leads to some rather stupid decisions (Eva Brown, for instance, who was Hitler's girlfriend)... but that's the way it developed. ^^


-Runa

--@~>

[Fleur du mal]

are actually comparing the Lucius craze with Eva Braun's relation to Hitler?!

[glugunkwen]

I absolutely hated Lucius when I read the books - evil, evil man. I find the 'movie' Lucius quite evil as well, I still don't like him - but I can dislike him and find him incredibly hot!

[Classical_Wizar]

I liked him and Draco before the movies came out. The way they hinted at things without saying flat out that they saw Sirius or that something was going to happen to the trio but left clues for them to guess.

[HarryPotter]

I think that what makes his character so attractive is the evil on him...

[Fleur du mal]

yes, exactly :eyebrows:

[Dagmar]

Why is the Lucius worship worrying?? Lucius Malfoy is QUALITY! "Now now Draco, Play nicely" Mind you, I think a large part of it is insane beauty of Jason Isaacs, he is so PRETTY, especially in that Blonde wig! LOL
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Veq.
Amen to that sister!!!!
Of course I'm loving Snapey too.
But Jason Isaacs with the long blond wig, who would've thunk he'd be even hotter than he is.
And with that beautiful disdain and reserved hate when Lucius gets mad, he's really sexy.

[Glee]

Personally, I can't stand celebrity worship. Not all girls go for the hotties. My terd I hate half the hotties because they are such buttheads

[Gandalf]

I like Lucius Malfoy. He's one of my favourite characters. Firstly, I like the bad guys. I don't know why, but I love 'em. I always cheer for them (a tear was forming in my eye when I saw the Witch King die in ROTK). Lucius to me is the type of character I love. An evil personality. IMO an evil personality is much more interesting than a good guy. I don't know why, but I always find evil characters to have more depth than the good guys.

Then there's the fact that I'm a fan of Jason Isaacs. Watching his portrayal of Lucius made me like the character even more. He's exactly like I imagined him in the book, long blonde hair, cape, cool looking costume and the snobbish upper class British accent which I seem to possess for some reason.

And finally he has the same name, eye colour and hair colour as me (only I'm a darker blonde). My name is Luke, which is Lucius in latin, which has led to my nickname of Lucius in school. Everywhere I go it's Lucius. And if I'm correct Jason Isaacs has got blue eyes, like me.

[Chazzwazzer]

I like villains. They're badass. That's how I can describe him.
He's slick. He's arrogant. He's a rich *******.
*sigh* I wish I was like that.

[shortie]

i like malfoy better then lucius. well not malfoy. i like tom felton better than jason isaacs. :p

[Fleur du mal]

I like villains. They're badass. That's how I can describe him.
He's slick. He's arrogant. He's a rich *******.
*sigh* I wish I was like that.

Do you :huh:

[GryfndrHeadGirl]

yeah the slytherin/voldemort/malfoy etc. worship worries me too. pretty sketchy and LAME.

[Gwenog Jones]

i like Jason Isaacs, not Lucius Malfoy!

[Chazzwazzer]

Do you :huh:

Yes! I really do. People would be scared of me, and I could pay them to do stuff for me, and I'd be slick!

[Deliah]

Yes! I really do. People would be scared of me, and I could pay them to do stuff for me, and I'd be slick!

Whats cool about people being scared of you?
I mean people having respect for me is one thing - but people turning away from me because they are scared wherever I turn up wouldn't make me feel too great, comfortable, welcome ...

[Mrs Padfoot]

I like villains. They're badass. That's how I can describe him.
He's slick. He's arrogant. He's a rich *******.
*sigh* I wish I was like that.

WHY?! I know that's probably a bit rude, I apolygise. But I reallu cannot understand what the appeal is of someone who is so horrible. Why on earth would you want to be like him? I find that really worrying. :huh:

Could you explain what is so good about someone who likes to torture Muggles for fun? And why would you wish to enjoy things like that?

[drdementor]

Well, it's easy to enjoy villains who can't actually kill you or anyone you love. They are safely trapped in the pages of books. They're not endangering us!

Personally, I only like the "baddies" that are dangerous but really pretty good. I never liked Draco or Lucius at all, and I actually like them even less now that they're in movies. Of course, the only blond guy I ever crushed on won me over with his amazing personality. And there's something about snobs that's a total turnoff for me. I'd like to drag that Draco punk down to a food kitchen and make him learn a few things about respect and consideration!!!

I'm a big Snape fan, but I only started liking him when I learned he had spied for Dumbledore. His strength of will and dedication to the "good side" impressed me. Hard as it must be to avoid being ensnared by VOldy, it must take even more willpower to reject him afterward. Like alcoholism, or something. Much harder to break the habit than to avoid forming it in the first place. The thing is, I probably wouldn't like Snape if I met him in real life. I'd think "what crawled up your butt and died?," in reference to his bitter attitude. "Get over it!" I'd say, referring to his stupid grudge against Harry. "The man is dead and rotted in his grave! Move on with your life! Live and let die!" He would not like me for this, methinks. I'd look at his greasy hair and want desperately to give him shampoo tips (I have greasy hair as well, but have learned to control it with the right brand and amount of shampoo). I'd tsk-tsk over his unprofessional behavior and general surliness. I would never get to see that cool side of him, because we'd **** each other off so bad. So, it's much better to be a fan of the imaginary Snape that I never actually have to deal with.

That's probably what goes on with "Luscious" fans. They see pretty blond hair, and an interesting snotty attitude, and think "Yeah, baby." Running up against a character actually like that, they would not enjoy the snobbery directed against them, or the torture that would ensue under the Dark Mark. THe true reaction by any self-respecting person to Lucius should be Mr Weasley's: Leap -->Throttle --> Satisfaction. As an American, I would also like to grab his tea and throw it into the nearest body of water.

[Fool]

It's the villians you remember. They are the ones who make the story. You can't have a great hero without a great villian.

That's why the film casting has been fantastic. Jason Isaacs and Alan Rickman play such great bad guys. :) I still wish they had cast Michael Wincott as Sirius so that Gary Oldman could have been saved for Voldemort.

[Fleur du mal]

It's the villians you remember. They are the ones who make the story. You can't have a great hero without a great villian.

That's why the film casting has been fantastic. Jason Isaacs and Alan Rickman play such great bad guys. :) I still wish they had cast Michael Wincott as Sirius so that Gary Oldman could have been saved for Voldemort.

we're always greatful for juicy suggestions, if you like! http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=23519

however, I agree about the villains.

[Fool]

Well it's a little late for that casting choice isn't it? :)

(besides Michael Wincott is Canadian and therefore inelligble :( )

[Deliah]

It's the villians you remember. They are the ones who make the story. You can't have a great hero without a great villian.


Yeah, thats right. Not sure if a little relative of mine fully understood this concept though, she thinks that Draco needs to go ... hehe ... but she's only 8.

[Genesis Blue]

I don't get the Lucius worship. If he were real, he wouldn't be against torturing/killing his Muggle fangirls....

[Chazzwazzer]

Whats cool about people being scared of you?
I mean people having respect for me is one thing - but people turning away from me because they are scared wherever I turn up wouldn't make me feel too great, comfortable, welcome ...

Maybe I'm getting a bit You-know-who here, but I wouldn't care to feel welcomed. I mean, I'd have power. People would have to do as I say! But they gotta do it in style, you know. It's just the almighty, badass aura.

[Chazzwazzer]

WHY?! I know that's probably a bit rude, I apolygise. But I reallu cannot understand what the appeal is of someone who is so horrible. Why on earth would you want to be like him? I find that really worrying. :huh:

Could you explain what is so good about someone who likes to torture Muggles for fun? And why would you wish to enjoy things like that?

See, I'm not into the actual torturing of the muggles.
I like more of the intimidating, people do as you say because you well... intimidate them.
Like the way Lucius acted in the book store. Badass. He was suave. It was all in the style of it. If he acted any other way, it would have been like "well, this guys useless", but the power, it's just cool!

I mean, I wouldn't mind being like that, because I know I wouldn't actually torture people, I'd just think the sense of power, and the intimidation and the suave-ness would rock.

[Mrs Padfoot]

I'd just think the sense of power, and the intimidation and the suave-ness would rock.

That's not really what I'm into, but I'll respect you're opinion... :huh:

Personally I'd prefer people to like me than to be scared of me. But that's because I value friends above power. And bad-guys don't seem to have a very good sense of humour, whereas I like to laugh lots.

[Fleur du mal]

Well it's a little late for that casting choice isn't it? :)

(besides Michael Wincott is Canadian and therefore inelligble :( )

oh no, don't worry, you're free to suggest whoever you want, for example, we have quite a lobby for Angelica Houston either as Madam Maxine or Bellatrix, and she's American, too. It's just fun :cool:

anyway, :welcome: fool! have fun!

[Fool]

Thanks for the welcome. :)

I thought Catherine Zeta Jones would make a perfect Bellatrix. Right age, right look.

[potionsnerd]

I don't get the Lucius worship. If he were real, he wouldn't be against torturing/killing his Muggle fangirls....
That's just the point though. He's not real. He's the evil, suave, rich, aristocratic b****** who's safe to swoon after because he's not real. And then you put Jason Isaacs in the role...with that hair... :drool: :love:

If they really wanted us to hate him, they should have cast someone less...aesthetically pleasing.

And that's another thing I think is funny. In the books, Draco Malfoy is actually a pointy, elfish, little runt. Never is he described as anything that could be mistaken for attrative, or even cute. Pansy Parkinson, also, is described as pretty unattractive, but the girl playing her isn't ugly at all. They pretty-up the evil people. Of course some people are gonna fall in love with their characters on some level.

I've heard that the World Cup is going to be completely cut out, as well as the Dursleys.
They can't be cutting it for two major reasons:
1. Jason Isaacs is on the cast list. That would be the only scene he'd be in. (Well, besides the end, but that leads me to number 2...)
2. They have pictures out from the World Cup scenes. They may not go into too much detail with it, but they went through a lot of time and expense to build part of that stadium and do about half a square mile with odd looking tents for the shot. They wouldn't do all that if they weren't going to put it to good use.

And as far as the Dursleys go, I'd guess they'll leave in Harry leaving. Not too much fluff before hand, but the chimney scene will definitely make it in.

[Jaded Kitana]

I think it should be "Lucious", as in Lucius is so Lucious! :rolleyes:
But yes, I think it definately has something to do with Jason Isaacs, the gorgeous actor. Also the fact that Lucius is very confident, in control, and wears power like other people wear their clothing.
And honestly, power is wicked sexy. :slyth:

[LunaGoldstein]

I say it's all because of Teh Pimp Cane:p

He personally doesn't turn my crank (cmon Picko, not all girls go for the baddies! Have you checked out the All About Remus John Lupin thread?) but I can see how he'd be popular for, er, certain types of fanfics at least. And it's not simply the fact that he has money, but the it's the old wizard family aristocracy that intrigues people. It probably isn't the looks so much as the style, the way he carries himself. I agree it sucks that he is a sign that good looking bad guys can get away with more, but it's not just for guys! I mean cmon, as if good looking women aren't judged less harshly? Anywho, while I'm hardly a Malfoy fan I admit that I just plain love the cane!

[esmerelda]

I'm not as big a Lucius Malfoy as many other women around here seem to be, but I think he's an absolute delight to read. He's so malicious and suave, he always has an insult ready at hand. And he's no Snape, but he is quite intriguing - does he love his wife and son? I quite agree that villains make a story as much as the heroes do, and Lucius makes a fine second-in-command. I'm not particularly bowled over by Jason Isaacs' looks, but I like to see an actor who delights in playing a bad guy (Alan Rickman seems to do so as well).

[BluebirdTexas]

Luke Skywalker had Darth Vader. Sherlock Holmes had Professor Moriarty. Harry has Voldemort and his right hand Lucius.

I think it's just funny to see how we females (and not only us) fall in love with an imaginary guy who doesn't even exist, and just because they are mean/uncaring
/evil/sadistic and so on. I think it's still helthier to fantasize about or worship Lucius Malfoy than to fall in love with right massmurderer and send him love letters to prison. THAT is not healthy, it's sick and revolting.

Still, when somebody is saying " I wish I was like Lucius Malfoy" it rings some alarm bells. It is a sign of psychopath to want to be afraid of by others.

[esmerelda]

Luke Skywalker had Darth Vader. Sherlock Holmes had Professor Moriarty. Harry has Voldemort and his right hand Lucius.

I think it's just funny to see how we females (and not only us) fall in love with an imaginary guy who doesn't even exist, and just because they are mean/uncaring
/evil/sadistic and so on. I think it's still helthier to fantasize about or worship Lucius Malfoy than to fall in love with right massmurderer and send him love letters to prison. THAT is not healthy, it's sick and revolting.

Still, when somebody is saying " I wish I was like Lucius Malfoy" it rings some alarm bells. It is a sign of psychopath to want to be afraid of by others.

As for falling in love with the bad guys, I don't think it's too bad - most people on this board seem smart enough to realise there's a big difference between the fictional villain and the real life one. I doubt many of the women who are crazy about Lucius Malfoy would fall for him in real life.

When it comes to wanting to be like Lucius Malfoy...I presume whoever said that meant it in the way that it would be fun to play a villain for a day.

[Cherub]

OK so his character is pure and utterly evil, but you have to admit he says some pretty cool things, cool and funny.
Yes I do find Jason Issac's portrayal of Lucius very endearing but I think thats all due to the hair - I have lately found that I am attracted to some men with long har. Fair enough, Lucius' hair is too long but its sooo straight! Now if my straightening irons made my hair *that* straight I'd be well pleased.

[potionsnerd]

OK so his character is pure and utterly evil...

I think that's sort of another trap. Aside from casting attractive people, on JKR's end, she left a lot open. I mean, everyone thougth Snape was all evil. Then he wasn't. Everyone thought Sirius was evil. Then he wasn't.

Yeah, Lucius appears completely evil with no redeeming quailities, but precident allows people to think that maybe, just maybe, he'll end up doing something at least a little good in the end. It's a mystery factor. Draco has the same stigma.

I don't think Lucius is going to suddenly pop up and start handing out Christmas presents, but I can see where other people have room to hope that he's just misunderstood.

[Fleur du mal]

I think that's sort of another trap. Aside from casting attractive people, on JKR's end, she left a lot open. I mean, everyone thougth Snape was all evil. Then he wasn't. Everyone thought Sirius was evil. Then he wasn't.

Yeah, Lucius appears completely evil with no redeeming quailities, but precident allows people to think that maybe, just maybe, he'll end up doing something at least a little good in the end. It's a mystery factor. Draco has the same stigma.

I don't think Lucius is going to suddenly pop up and start handing out Christmas presents, but I can see where other people have room to hope that he's just misunderstood.
I must say I'm a fan of the character in the book, but I'd be harshly disappointed if he started to redeem himself. I'm not saying that he'll stay loyal to Voldemort to the very end (though I don't see how he NOW could withdraw from that position, after being publically branded a murderer), but if he did something like betraying his master, he'd do so fur utterly selfish reasons.
This is literature, for goodness sake, who would want to read a book where everybody is nice and caring and sympathetic? Where would the plot derive from, for a start? Where would tension and suspense come in? And that's why I like Lucius far more than Voldemort, he's far more mischievous and unpredictable. With Voldemort, you know what he's up to, with Lucius you can never be too sure.

But thinking Lucius Malfoy 'misunderstood' - nah, that lets me shudder somehow. He's a jerk that's fun to read (and wonderful to look at in the movies :eyebrows: ), perhaps Voldemort has an unhappy childhood to excuse himself, but really , I know a lot of people who had that, still I wouldn't justify that they've become murderers.

[SaphiraM]

Hmm...I dont know how i feel about the worship factor (besides that it can be rather frightening that so many people are trying to emulate an established villain) and I dont believe that Lucius will try to redeem himself, or even think on it really. I can see Draco maybe but Lucius is too far in this for him breaking out to do HIM any good.

In conclusion, while I love how Jo has played the characters out (both malfoy Sr. and Jr.) I would be lying if I said that the devotion to the characters didn't scare me. (Now worship of Tom Felton and Jason Isaacs is a whole different story...)

[Alhanalasa]

I have a question for the Lucius fans:

In your daydreams and fantasies, are you truly attracted to his evil actions, or is it really the idea of being the girl who reforms the bad guy?

If you consider the things he's actually done (how terribly he treats his own son, tormenting and murdering countless people, being hideously racist, etc), is it really attractive? Is that the kind of power that's sexy?

[eterna_shining]

Well, I must say I never really expected there to be a whole throng of Lucius worshippers.

I highly doubt that anyone is truly obsessed with Lucius the character, more like infatuated with his style, per se. However, everyone's views on humanity are different, therefore maybe some people look at Lucius' actions and think he is justified, though it would be a little disturbing.

Or, this could be a plausible theory. Maybe there are rumors running around that Lucius was an emotionally disturbed child, instead of pampered like we all imagine him to be. In that case, people would view him as a misunderstood, tortured soul, blinded by his prejudices because of a traumatic event that occured to him in the past. Hey, you never know. Please correct me if there is evidence against that, but I don't recall ever reading about Lucius' life before adulthood.

All of you Lucius lovers out there... thought ever crossed your mind?

[Raven_Girly]

I don't like Lucius. I usually like bad guys in stories like this (I LOVE Draco), but I really don't like Lucius Malfoy. He is too evil. Way too evil. And mean.

[arshia]

HE IS SOOOOOOOOO HOT MAN!:drool:
i mean he`s got the looks, the power and the money baby!!!!...what else do you need ??
he is probably one of my favourite characters from the books.
just to assure you people...i suppoert the DARK`S LORD SIDE!!!!hahahahaa:D(honestly!!)

[potionsnerd]

HE IS SOOOOOOOOO HOT MAN!:drool:
i mean he`s got the looks, the power and the money baby!!!!...what else do you need ??
he is probably one of my favourite characters from the books.
just to assure you people...i suppoert the DARK`S LORD SIDE!!!!hahahahaa:D(honestly!!)
OK, yeah. That's troubling...

For me, it's his style. I love how good he is at being evil. I like his character dynamics. They just work. I am a writer, and Lucius is the kind of character who's just, plain fun to write. And with Jason Isaacs in the movie role, fun to watch. :eyebrows:

What the character does isn't the attractive part. (If he were a real person, I'd be all for stringing him up by his... Nevermind.) It's how he does it. He's got style. No one can argue that. And some people--like me-- just like style in a character, whether they're the bad guy or the hero. Antagonistic tendencies really don't matter when you're looking at how the character is constructed.

[Fleur du mal]

I have a question for the Lucius fans:

In your daydreams and fantasies, are you truly attracted to his evil actions, or is it really the idea of being the girl who reforms the bad guy?
One's got to be very young for daydreaming about a book's character, oneself transforming into some sort of Mother Theresa making him redeem, eh? :rotfl:
I mean, come on, this is fiction !

how terribly he treats his own son, so please, what has he done to his son? Buying him expensive brooms, assuring his place in the house team, keep him away from very dangerous items in Dark Arts shops - I totally don't see the "Lucius is an abusive father" aspect. He might not be the Tom-Hanks-In-Sleepless-In-Seattle Dad, but frankly, a whole lot of fathers aren't.

[Kathleen Malfoy]

Lucius is hot, that's why.

Plus since he isn't actually real, I don't really feel so bad about liking someone who's evil.

In reality I stay away from bad people, no matter how hot they are.....although in real life most criminals are not sexy at all anyway.

[fanof_hp]

Lucius is hot, that's why.

Plus since he isn't actually real, I don't really feel so bad about liking someone who's evil.

In reality I stay away from bad people, no matter how hot they are.....although in real life most criminals are not sexy at all anyway.
And with this I also agree. SO HOT!!! That is my only facination. I know he is only a character, and I can seperate fact from fiction. With that said...SO HOT! I have a bad boy thing though..."Darth Maul"...so hot!

[Fleur du mal]

Was Darth Maul the one with the horns all over his head...? Funny, I've found him 'cool' in Star Wars, certainly not hot, same problem as Darth Vader, cool outfit, great lines, no face. I wonder when the first 'Lord Voldemort is hot' statements come in, he has no real face neither, but everybody who has seen Ralph Fiennes only once can fancy him a real 'hottie underneath'. Oh, and what about the Witchking of Angmar? Fantastic outfit, remarkable presence and memorable lines ('No man can kill me !" I loved that) - was he hot, and I've missed it? :lol:
I will always agree that Jason Isaacs looks fantastic, and that he makes Lucius look great. But how any character in any book can be 'hot' is unintelligible to me, like with the two Darths above - how can I be fascinated by somebody who hasn't got a face, and who'se most considerable characteristic is a long black cloack floating around (hey girls, believe me, I have it for black cloaks, serious Darth Vader fan since I was eleven! But even a black cloak isn't 'hot', it's only a way of dressing that I like, wouldn't 'hot' need a bit more than that?)

[Adiah]

For me, it's his style. I love how good he is at being evil. I like his character dynamics. They just work. I am a writer, and Lucius is the kind of character who's just, plain fun to write. And with Jason Isaacs in the movie role, fun to watch. :eyebrows:
You've got a point, it seems to me that the villains are always the most fun to right about...and not necessarily villains, just really...mean...characters...

And Jason Isaacs is the perfect Lucius Malfoy. He's just so...evil...
(I really liked him as Captain Hook as well, by the way)

[Fleur du mal]

You've got a point, it seems to me that the villains are always the most fun to right about...)
They get the great lines, the "it's seriously witty and funny but the good guy could never speak something like that because it's nasty in the same moment", they can be self-important, arrogant, megalomaniac, they can do everything that we've been told to never do. All the Darth Vaders, Sheriff of Nottinghams, Top Dollars (that's the villain played by Michael Wincott in 'The Crow') - may I quote him: "Greed is for amateurs. Disorder, chaos, anarchy: now that's fun!"
A good guy would never be allowed to say so. My old siggy had a line from Les Liaison Dangereux that I liked a lot, ending "Win or die.". Then there's "Locksley. I'll cut your heart out with a spoon." - "Why a spoon, cousin? Why not an axe?" - "Because it's DULL, you twit, it'll hurt more!"
Or Azrael, "Dogma" - "Evil is an ABSTRACT! It's a HUMAN construct! But true to his nature, Man won't own up to being it's engineer. So he chooses to blame his dark deeds on my ilk. But his selfishness is limitless. It wasn't enough just to shadow his own existence, he turned Hell into a SUFFERING PIT! Fire, brimstone, wailing! The kind of place ANYONE would do ANYTHING to get out of! And why? Because he lacks the ability to forgive himself! It is beyond your comprehension to do simple recompense for the sins you commit. No, you choose instead to invent a psycho-drama and dwell in foundless belief that God could never forgive your grievous offenses. So you bring your guilt and your inner decay with you into Hell where the hoards of thousands of unhappy human imaginations fill the chasm since the first one of your kind arrived generations ago, begging to be punished. In doing so, he transformed Hell from cold and solitude to PAIN and MISERY! I've spent eons, privy to the flames, hearing the wails and gnashing of teeth you bring. I KNOW WHAT AFFECT such horrors have on the delicate psyche of an angelic being!"
"I wanted this to be professional. Efficient, adroit, cooperative, not a lot to ask. Alas, your Mr. Takagi did not see it that way, so he won't be joining us for the rest of his life." - Hans Gruber/ Alan Rickman, Die Hard. Really, Alan Rickman could read out a small town telephonebook, and it'd be thrilling.
Great lines. And as for my personal preferances - most of them have worn black coats :whistle:

[Lilly Evans]

Huh...I didn't know there were people who actually liked Lucius...I haven't really paid much attention to him, whenever he's in the books he does something evil, so I don't really like him for that. But there are a lot of fanfics that portray him as a good guy - later on. People think he will turn his back on Voldemort in the end...or it'll turn out he was under the Imperius Curse.
But I do agree that they probably like him because of the movies...

[dirty_harry]

one word: style

and plus hes got a walking stick with a snake head on he end gotta love it

[esmerelda]

Lucius is hot, that's why.

Plus since he isn't actually real, I don't really feel so bad about liking someone who's evil.

In reality I stay away from bad people, no matter how hot they are.....although in real life most criminals are not sexy at all anyway.

As long as we're sensible enough to distinguish between reality and fantasy, I think it's fine to like the bad guys. They're fun to read about, but in real life we would despise them.

[Fleur du mal]

In the real life a guy like Lucius would scare the **** out of me. More than somebody like Voldemort actually. You can predict someone like the latter, but opportunists like Lucius are willing to do what they realise themselves to be wrong, as long as they benefit from it. And there are millions out there.

[loopdeedoo123]

I really hate Lucius, but you have to admit, he's kind of ... smooth. That's the word that I think describes him most.

[esmerelda]

In the real life a guy like Lucius would scare the **** out of me. More than somebody like Voldemort actually. You can predict someone like the latter, but opportunists like Lucius are willing to do what they realise themselves to be wrong, as long as they benefit from it. And there are millions out there.

In a way Lucius Malfoy is scarier than Voldemort, because he is such a covert bad guy. He shows a presentable face to society, and has worked (well, bribed and threatened) his way up to a position of social power. Even when Voldemort was gone Malfoy was able to bully people to ensure he got his way. As of yet I don't think we've seen any redeemable features in him.

[Fleur du mal]

Yeah, but as this is fiction, I take no interest in anybody's redemption, unless it would be a well-written surprise, and not like more often, a total incredible stretch of the story. Any of the older folks might remember Twin Peaks (the series) and Ben Horne? He was presented as the major villain, pulling strings behind the scenes, and hey, he was endlessly cool. Then, for some reason that I've forgotten, he has changed (in the context of the series that was a brilliant idea, for I always found it was satire on the clichés of other programs) and in the end, he wanted to save the rainforest. Awwww! Don't get me wrong, saving the rainforest in the real world is an admirable aim. For a great scoundrel like Ben Horne (who was very much alike Lucius, by the way, and anyone who knows the series - think of Audrey, his daughter. Notice something?) it is a ridiculous business, and got me very much disappointed in front of my tv set. Though you could well say he has redeemed - he was much better before that. :evil:

[Lucybird]

It's gotta be because of the movies... he quite good looking in them if you like that sort of thing. But from the books I can't see how anyone would like him

[Arwen42]

Well, I just think many people like him because of the movies. I love to see him in film! Some consider him attractive, and I like to see Issacs facial expressions. I think many people like this character because of the actor.

Now the books...I don't think we will find many people who worships him in the books. I think he may be hated by many. I for one don't like him in the books...and whenever he is present, you know trouble will come your way because of him.

[Fleur du mal]

I think were kind of confusing words here. Speaking in terms of this thread - I like Lucius as a fictional character in the series, he's one of my favourites. We're not talking about the real world. And yeah, Jason Isaacs had a lot to do with it, at least for me, because I did not pay too much attention to Lucius beforehand (I had read the book only once then), because he did such a great job playing Lucius there. Before that, I saw him just as the grown-up version of Draco, which I don't think to be true nowadays.

[Atashi]

Nice eyes, beautiful hair, but he's a jerk. I wanted to sic a rabid kittah on him after book 2. ><

[potionsnerd]

Nice eyes, beautiful hair, but he's a jerk. I wanted to sic a rabid kittah on him after book 2. ><
...not sure if i know what a "kittah" is, but rabid sounds good. :tu:

now that he's been in azkaban i can't wait to see what sort of effect the rabid dementors have had on him...

[Atashi]

A kittah's just a fun word for a cat. I think it's fun, anyway. (｀・ω・´)

[potionsnerd]

A kittah's just a fun word for a cat. I think it's fun, anyway. (｀・ω・´)
it is fun. =^._.^=

[red_fairy]

Jerk, yes. Good villain, yes to that also. Lucius is a perfect "bad guy". The money, looks, and hair with a very nasty mean streak. And he is also nessacary for the plot of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets and I am guessing he will be very important in the last two books.