Will Harry or Voldemort get a new wand?

[Dannage]

Surely by now Voldemort must have realized that his wand and Harry's will not work properly against each other, after the incident in the graveyard in Book 4. My question is, do you think Voldemort will ever get smart enough to have somebody get him a new wand? Or, will Rowling make him completely oblivious to the wands not working right against each other, so as to allow Harry a chance to win?

Another possibility, would Voldemort perhaps favor his wand above others and send somebody to destroy Harry's wand instead? This way, Harry would have to get another wand, which almost definitely would not have Fawke's feather in it, and Voldemort would still be able to keep his wand.

[Kizz]

Originally posted by Dannage (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=463687#post463687))
Another possibility, would Voldemort perhaps favor his wand above others and send somebody to destroy Harry's wand instead? This way, Harry would have to get another wand, which almost definitely would not have Fawke's feather in it, and Voldemort would still be able to keep his wand.


The wands won't work against each other directly, but that doesn't stop them when they cast spells at different times, it seems only when the wands are used at the same time does priori incanwotchacallit work. Voldy uses the cruciatus curse fine against Harry in GoF.

Fawkes is in the hands of Dumbledore, if Harry's wand gets destroyed they can pin it down and rip its tail feathers out if it doesn't give one.

You may want to check out this thread - 'Is Harry's wand part of his protection?' (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13943) as it seems relevent.

[atac109]

I highly doubt Voldemort would ever get a new wand. As powerful as he got with that wand, I doubt he would settle for anything less. Also, when it comes to defeating Harry, I think he'll want to do most of the work himself. Yes, he sent Death Eaters to get the Prophecy from Harry, but he did not want them to hurt Harry; he only wanted them to retrieve the information that allowed him to kill Harry himself. My guess is that Voldemort has definitely noticed the connection between his and Harry's wands, and has already developed a plan to get around it.

[thatbrickwall]

Harry' and Voldemort's wands only stop working properlywhen they are simultaneously used against each other (as in one wand is used to cast a spell on the other wand. Note the owner, but the wand.) This means that only spells that directly affect the wand, such as Expelliarmus or Accio, won't work properly. Spells that affect the person, like the Cruciatus curse of the Imperius Curse will work just fine.

[Kizz]

Originally posted by thatbrickwall (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=463737#post463737))
Harry' and Voldemort's wands only stop working properlywhen they are simultaneously used against each other (as in one wand is used to cast a spell on the other wand. Note the owner, but the wand.) This means that only spells that directly affect the wand, such as Expelliarmus or Accio, won't work properly. Spells that affect the person, like the Cruciatus curse of the Imperius Curse will work just fine.


You're sure? Harry used Expelliarmus (which would effect the wand) and Voldemort used Avada Kadavra (which would effect the person)...how did you work that out if both of your catagories are used? :smile:

[Hammi]

I kinda felt that wizards like their wands and depend on them and keep them until its absolutly neccessary to get a new one. I also came to understand that its tough to find a wand completely compatable with a wizard for permanate use. I would think it would be hard to find a new one to depend on and u would try to avoid it.

[Rain]

I don't think that LV even knows that his and Harry's wand share a core. IF you will read GOF again it shows that LV was surprised that it even happened. He probably thought it was happening b'coz it was Harry Potter, not b'coz their wand shared a core. He is probably still thinking that. Also, nobody except DD, Harry and Olivander know that Harry's and LV's wand contains a phenoix feather from Fawkes.

[Hammi]

Originally posted by Rain (original post (http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?postid=464248#post464248))
I don't think that LV even knows that his and Harry's wand share a core. IF you will read GOF again it shows that LV was surprised that it even happened. He probably thought it was happening b'coz it was Harry Potter, not b'coz their wand shared a core. He is probably still thinking that. Also, nobody except DD, Harry and Olivander know that Harry's and LV's wand contains a phenoix feather from Fawkes.


Interesting, But u cant rule out Voldemort knowing about the cores, i mean, Olivander kinda has a pro Voldemort vibe going on, it could have gotten back to him eventually

[Dannage]

Well obviously Voldemort noticed the Priori Incantatem happening, so I would guess that he probably wanted to find out why it happened so he could prevent it happening again.
And yes, I realize that the wands only undergo Priori Incantatem when spells are cast at each other at relatively the same time, but surely Voldemort would, after having Harry escape him 4 times now, want to eliminate all risk possible of it happening again, and sharing a wand core with Harry gives him a slightly better chance of escaping once again.

[schwarzendrache]

I don't think LV will refrain from getting a new wand, because getting a new wand doesn't mean he'll have to trash his current one! All he has to do is whip his brand new dragon-heartstring wand out of his coat pocket when he sees Harry. He can still use his good ol' wand when battling DD or the like.

[aphelion]

And I also highly doubt that Voldemort would just walk into Mr. Ollivanders' for a new wand without having to blast apart Diagon Alley.

[McKinnon02]

If Voldemort does try to get a new wand, I think he'd have to disguise himself first. This can already be done via a polyjuice potion, and I'm sure there are other ways of changing your appearance. I'm also guessing he wouldn't walk into Ollivanders, he'd pick another wand shop (there is more than one).

[Sirius13]

title of book 7 - "Harry Potter and the Wand of Curses

[Sirius83]

Nah, i think he'll keep his existing wand. No real reason for him to get rid of it. As long as he and Harry don't clash spells at the same time, his wand will work fine.

Hello Sirius13 :p

[Arissya_00]

That is a very interesting theory indeed, however, the wand chooses the wizard, and he can't just borrow one of his DE's wand, and he can't just go into the wand shop and buy one.

voldemort walked into the Ollivander's Wand Shop.
Mr.Ollivander: "Why! It is the infamous He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named!!
Voldemort: Yeah, yeah, yeah,. Hey, I need a new wand to destroy Harry Potter.
Mr. Ollivander: Well, that is very tricky isn't it!! Let's try out different designs!!
So, after blowing up 3 bookcases, setting fire on the counter, and knocking over twenty chairs, Voldemort chose a wand that was 12 inches, yew, and had a *gasp* veela hair!!!
Mr. Ollivander: Well, there you go. Have a nice day, and good luck!!

I cannot imagine that;)

[Rusale]

When wizards use wands other then the one that choose them, their spells are less effective. If you were Voldemort would you want to duel with Dumbledore with anything except your best wand?? Now he might start carrying two wands, his normal wand and another to use against Harry.

[haycheng]

Judge by his understand of the prophecy. I do not think the wand is that important. He believe there is something more to harry escape than the wands. I blieve he will not change wand as changing wand do not mean he can kill harry. Moreoever, he has harry in the pocket in DoM if DD does not show up. Their magic power is too different to make the wand a matter yet.

[ChronJenn]

Just as an aside, Ollivander is an anagram for An Evil Lord. I'm new to the boards, not sure if that has been mentioned yet. In addition, Harry gets funny vibes off of Mr. Ollivander when he buys his own wand in Book 1. Therefore, I would not be 100% surprised if Ollivander's did furnish Voldemort with a new wand. Not sure if that's really relevant though.

[Michelle]

He is too arrogant to admit that he can't kill Harry Potter with his current wand, I think.

[haycheng]

I think he has Harry in the pocket if DD does not show up in DoM. V does not need wand to kill harry.

[FWOTC]

I don't think so becaue is this ward that brought him power. Is this ward that seperate Tom Riddle and Voldemort. In a sense his ward has been his "power" symbol. So I don't think he will part with it that easily

[Phoenix_Fawkes]

The wand picks the wizard voldy has no choice but using that wand.... so he wil have to make sure he dosnt cast a spall the same time Harry Does!

[schwarzendrache]

The wand picks the wizard, yes. However, the wizard is not limited to that wand. We see so many instances of one using another persons wand in the books that I will not elaborate on it.

[Liselle]

I think voldie will keep his wand as the wand chooses the wizard not the other way around and you will never get as good a result with someone elses wand over your own....

Prior Incantum or how ever you spell it is quite rare so maybe voldemort does not know what it was and that it was the "protection" lingering in his veins after his mother

Liselle

[potterfan300]

Because of GoF we know that Harry's and Voldermorts wand do not work aganist each other, so could Harry get a new wand to vanquish Voldermort?
Any thoughts?
(this is not a discussion on the prophecy, just factors relating to it, I did a search and found nothing)

[Doggy]

I don't think Harry would be able to fight properly with another wand, after all, you can't get quite as good results with another person's wand, and that would make it difficult to beat Voldemort.

Anyway, I believe Voldemort's and Harry's wands only stop working when spells are cast at the same time. If Harry was to do a Leglocker-curse while Voldemort's back was turned, he'd manage it perfectly.

[thinkpink38]

Well, there has to be a reason why the wand chose Harry, as the wand does have a huge influence on the person, and their ability to use it. I don't think he would want to get a new wand, becasue, like Doggy said, it might not work as good as his previous wand.

[onetruegryffindor]

But if Harry got another wand it wouldn't work as well. The wand he has is the best wand for him/

[rotsiepots]

Anyway, I believe Voldemort's and Harry's wands only stop working when spells are cast at the same time. If Harry was to do a Leglocker-curse while Voldemort's back was turned, he'd manage it perfectly.

I agree with this. Voldemort did get Harry to bow to him using his wand when they were duelling in the graveyard at Little Hangleton. I think both Harry and Voldemort can use their wands on each other, but as Doggy said, just not at the same time.

Therefore there isn't a need for either of them to get a new wand. They just need to plan their duel strategically.

[DarkMark90]

Doggy and rotsiepots make a good point. Neither of them may need to get a new wand, but just plan out the battle ahead of time, and know what to do when the enemy does certain things.

[Voxx]

It's Faith that really matters...if The Boy gets more Faith he will be more powerful...and if Voldemort were to Keep the boys faith low then the boy will not win

[Deliah]

I don't think that getting a new wand is that easy - as the wand chooses the owner and a wizzard will only be a good wizzard with the right wand.
So I don't think Voldemort will get himself a new one, but destroying Harry's would be a possibility.

[peeves_pet]

I thonk they ve got to stick with the ones they ve got the wand choses the wizard, Also the prophecy is their destiny. The wands symbolise their link n i think the one who turns away from it will be the weakest........

[dansewell]

I dont realy know if either will get a new wand but would just like to ask if any one knows how voldemort got his wand back from GH after nearly 14 years and also how sirius got his wand back as it would be destroyed when he was sent to azkaban and i doubt he just went into Olivanders and baught a new one. No one else could go for one as sirius would not be able to hold it and see if it works (please contact me at the address below or post on this thread with any theories).

[electricgrrrl]

As far as how Voldemort and Sirius ended up with their wands after such a long time goes, I was just thinking the exact same thing. Maybe it's just one of those things that we'll never find out. Sort of like how the good guys in moves are being shot at with machine guns and never seem to come out with anything more than a scratch ("It's mearly a flesh wound...")

As far as the whole Harry and Voldemort wand thing, I don' believe it necessary that either of them get a new wand. First off, as mentioned, their wands will work against each other. Secondly we know that it is possible for a wizard to perform magic without a wand (many instances, too many to mention actually), and that it is possible to perform magic with a wand withou actually saying the incantation aloud (mentioned in OOTP). So it would seem possible that Harry will be able to destroy Voldemort without the use of his wand at all...

[SbIlRaIcUkS]

I dont know that either will get a new one maybe one of them will be forced to duel with someone elses wand as Lockhart took Rons and trie to use his wand in COS

[Polychrome]

I don't think that LV even knows that his and Harry's wand share a core. IF you will read GOF again it shows that LV was surprised that it even happened. He probably thought it was happening b'coz it was Harry Potter, not b'coz their wand shared a core. He is probably still thinking that. Also, nobody except DD, Harry and Olivander know that Harry's and LV's wand contains a phenoix feather from Fawkes.

If he didn't know then, he definitely knows now. And no matter how you put it, having the equal wand of your opponent is a huge defensive advantage.

I'm actually thinking that however Voldemort is defeated may be something that has nothing to do with wands, or nothing to do with magic at all. After All, Big V doesn't have a shiny sword. :)

[moon781]

You can use someone else's wand, but it won't be as powerful as your own. And LV is a power junkie so I can't see him giving up his wand. Harry is attached to his wand as well and it is the fact that he has that wand that saved him in gof.

Can a wizard even get a second wand? How can 2 wands choose the same wizard?

[Marcy]

How did Voldie get his wand back, anyway? If he went to all the trouble to obtain a wand that was lost (in theory) or kept by a death eater for 13 years, I find it highly unlikely that he would ever get a new wand.

[Incanus]

Uhu, he wouldn't want a new wand, once he's the most powerful wizard with his one.

Polychrome has a good point. Maybe LV cannot be killed by any wand. Reminds me of Gryffindor's sword.

[Silkeng]

I quite agree if the wand chooses the wizard, he will get best results with his original wand. If he retrieved it after all those years in exile he obviously wanted to keep it. It is unlikely that he would get a new wand then, and the priori incatateum only happens if Harry and Voldemort send a spell at the same time, he can still hit Harry with a spell as long as he catches him unawares. I am sure with weapons like posession at his disposal Voldemort can find a way to try and kill Harry even with the same wands.

[jcuzo]

i have to agree with electricgrrrl, i dont think that either would replace their respective wands because they are not necassary to do magic. and in harry's case particularly, he has shown very powerful magic when he becomes overly-emotional... i'm actually quite surprised he didnt "accidentaqlly" use magic against Voldemort in the graveyard because of his emotions running so high. maybe holding a wand prevents a wizard from accidentally doing magic?

[Doadz]

I read somewhere that there will be mentioning of Lily Potter's wand in the future. Supposedly it was exceptionally good at performing charms.

[dobydoo]

I'm guessing no. I think it will be just another bond that they will share.

[Daisy_Potter]

I don't think they'll get new wands...what I think is going to be used is the force behind the locked door...someone or maybe even Harry is going to open that door and that's what is going to kill LV...

[jen15poms]

I agree...now that Voldemort realized that his wand and Harry's wand will not work properly against each other, I can see him getting a new wand. I don't know why he would ever try to use his original wand against Harry's again after GoF. He would be stupid to do so. It will be interesting to see how he gets his new wand. Seeing as the "wand chooses the wizard" you would think that V would personally have to try out various wands to find the one that is right for him. Hmm...that will be rather difficult. However, it's not like he is in hiding anymore. The Ministry knows that he has returned, so maybe he won't be afraid to go out in public now.

[Stayce]

I think it absolutely neccessary if their final fight is magical unless a wand is broken and another borrowed or one of them becomes so powerful and magical that no wand is needed. If one of them must be without his original wand I think it should be Harry so that he is fighting of his own power and not influenced by DD or his bird. I know this seems backwards but If Harry is to be his own fighter of his own will I think it neccessary. On the other hand I can see DD making a similar sacrafic to Lil'y because Harry is so connected and loved by him. I know that too is stupid but what can I say it is 4am and I am not JK. But DD did say he made an old man's mistake and tried to let Harry have time to be happy as hegot more attached.

[Zora Lupin]

One will not get a new wand. It would ruin everything I think. It's because they are connected not only through the scar, but through the wand too. I just think it would be almost impossible for either one to get a wand that would completely fit either of them.

[Taichi]

THEORIES (Remember this is just speculation)

LV got his wand back, because he didn't go to GH alone.....we know Wormtail was with him that night, so, once LV got blown up, Wormtail took his wand back to the Riddle House.....

Sirius didn't get his wand back, somebody got him a new one......perhaps not as effective, or powerful as his original, OR, Mr. Ollivander was brought by 12 Grimmauld Place with an array of Wands, for Sirius to try, until he found one he was compatible with......

[Dare Devil]

There is one thing that people seem to forget here. The protection that Harry enjoys because of the same cores of his and Voldemort's wand does also go for Voldemort. Voldemort should know by now that Harry is a dangerous opponent already now and he is still learning so why should Voldemort give up this protection? Personally, I doubt that.
The only thing that would make sense here would be Voldemort trying to find a way to exploit the given situation in one way or another.

[auror07]

I do think Harry might get a new wand, Harry not Voldermont, i sort of think that the Half Blood Prince will train Harry and teach him magic beyond all imagination, something that Harry wouldnt learned in school. And this wand i think it would be sort of a leyend, really special, create it long time ago, sort of Elendil in Lord of the Rings, the sword.

[nivekllerttoc]

I think that Dumbledore might make him get a new wand for the final battle between the two.

[Dumblebee]

Harry and Voldies wands being related seems too significant for a solution to be so simple as to just get a new one... how ever i may just be over complicating stuff... *evil giggle* ifi was up to me JKR would be explaning my harry mysteries for milleniums... heeheheheehee

[McKinnon02]

I doubt that. Voldemort and Harry CAN use their wands against one another, and have. Even in a duelling situation, where it is more likely that PI will happen, it isn't a given. The spells in GOF were on a direct line of fire with one another, and the wands were in exactly the same firing position to make PI happen. The chances of that happening again, even in a true duel, are slim. Lord knows Harry's aim isn't perfect, even though Voldemort's may be. If either's aim is off, PI won't happen, and therefore the wands can still be used. I don't think new wands are necessary.

[ChocolateFrog]

Because I expect that the only wand that would "choose" them would be one containing another of Fawkes' tail feathers. (Dratted thing, that magical destiny.) That could prove awkward, seeing as Fawkes has only given 2 feathers (according to Mr Ollivander). No doubt Voldy was as difficult a customer for Mr Ollivander as Harry proved to be.

Bottom line: Voldy can't get another wand anything like as good as the one he has right now. And if he (somehow) manages to destroy Harry's wand then Harry just asks Fawkes to donate another tail feather and they're back to square one.

Anyway, Voldy is convinced that he is the far superior Wizard, regardless of their wands' common heritage. His mistake in GoF was in playing with Harry before trying to kill him (show off!), and he'd learnt from that mistake when they next faced each other in the Department of Mysteries.

[fairy_lightz]

no new wand for harry

[melusinafairy]

i think that if one of them got a new wand it would be weird cause then the priori incantatem would be eliminated... i hope they dont get new wands seeing as harry's having a wand with the feather from the same phoenix as voldemort saved him with expelliarmus in GOF

[happypokadots]

I think that neither of them will get a new wand because each of them need to be equal in the battle between good and evil. It needs to be an everlasting strive between good and evil because that is probably the theme of the series. Also, in the first book it says that the wand chooses the wizard so none of them could get a new one anyways.

[tarachristwen]

no,i guess.the wands chose the owners themselves..there must be a reason why both of then got the same core... :angel:

[thethirdman]

I doubt getting a new wand is like buying a new pair of shoes. One still functional wand has chosen Voldemort. The same for Harry. Sure there are extreme circumstances like Ron's broken wand, but if you've got one perfectly good wand would anyone let you buy another? There have got to be some restrictions otherwise some wizards would go overboard and end up with 20 wands that they never use.

[SpiriTOwnz]

If he didn't know then, he definitely knows now. And no matter how you put it, having the equal wand of your opponent is a huge defensive advantage.

I'm actually thinking that however Voldemort is defeated may be something that has nothing to do with wands, or nothing to do with magic at all. After All, Big V doesn't have a shiny sword. :)

Harry could use the CoS sword, and enhaces it to make it a wand. (like Hagrid did with his umbrella). Harry could fight Voldy with his sword, and use the Prior Incanto to nullify spells (protecting with the sword). Would me much Star Wars though :/

[Hectate]

i think they might. Let's just hope if they do, their new wands aren't brother or sister wands, too.

[ChocolateFrog]

Harry could use the CoS sword, and enhaces it to make it a wand. (like Hagrid did with his umbrella).
Hagrid's umbrella disguises the two snapped halves of his original wand. However, now his name has been cleared, you'd think he could buy a brand new wand and study magic again properly.

[SquibOnline]

If any of them do I think that it will be voldemort - as he doesn't think he needs protection against Harry

[DocHollidaywe]

I think that if one of them were to get a new wand it would have to be Voldemort.

The main reason for thinking this is because, the wand chooses the wizard. I think the main part of the wand is its core. The core of Harry's wand .... A feather from Fawkes. So assuming Harry's wand broke or was destroyed, Dumbledore would easily be able to get a replacement feather for a new wand. Especially knowing that the wand is sort of protection for Harry.

[imjk]

There is absolutely no need for either to change/replace/exchange wands. The Priori Incantatem is a very rare spell effect. And occurs only when the wands do battle, not the owners. The priori incantatem took place in the Goblet of Fire when Two spells were battling for prevalence. The owners of the wands can still duel, they can battle with out problems except when a spell is cast/fired at the exact same moment. Dumbledore said "when the wands do battle" note that he did not say when the owners do battle. The wands battle for the spell that was cast to suceed over the other wands spell.

[behind_my_eye]

The only reson it worked is because harry never agfeed to duel, but when he did the Pior INcantatum started, if you want more info go find the definition of it.

[crazy_megan]

I don't think Harry and Voldemort will be able to successfully destroy each other with wands, I think they'll have their final battle through other means-whatever they may be.

I can't see either of them getting a new wand until after the final battle, if say the wands were broken in the fight, leading to the duel with say a sword or something.

[tarachristwen]

til they break their wands?

[LexiBlack]

I think there is too much that can come from these wands to just write them out. Even if Voldemort knows that there is a link between the two wands, I don't think that we will go out and get another one. This is the wand that made him who he is. It's the wand that chose him and that works best with him. If he got a new wand, he would be risking a lot. The next one might not work as well with him. He might try to get someone to break Harry's wand as well. But I honestly don't see that happening.

[Padfoot_001]

Lexi Black is on the right track. They can't just get new wands, thats absurd. Its outrageous, unheard of, I wont let it happen. Watch me peoples!!!!!!!!!!!
No don't, cause I can't really stop them. But, No, theres no way, the wands connection is extremely vital, we've already seen that.

[LexiBlack]

Ah, thanks Padfoot_001!! I'm glad that you agree with me!! :rotfl: