How will Voldemort become stonger than ever?

[insaneone]

I'm just wondering, how can Voldemort become stronger than ever before?

Half his Death Eaters are in Azkaban now, alright, they won't stay there for long without the Dementors but still, the ministry will be after them now they've realized Voldemort is back.

In the first war I imagine it was much and much harder for just like Lupin said, the Order was outnumberd, they didn't exactly know who there enemies were and Voldemort had been building up his powers for years.

Now, most Death Eaters are know to both the Ministry and the wizarding community, who will be on their guard. Voldemort still doesn't know the exact propehcy and his ego must have a serious blow when he had to flee form Dumbledore in the MoM.

All in all, Voldies situation is far from ideal so I wonder how he can become more powerfull than ever, as was predicted by Trelawny in the second propehcy.

[Mad I]

Not only are there still Death Eaters that haven't come to the surface yet, but there is also the whole element of surprise because so many in the wizarding world don't believe that he is back. Plus, Voldemort has the giants and with his incredible ability to make people do what he wants he is in good position to get at least some of the goblins.

[turbotriple_power]

Well maybe because he has Harry's blood in him...or something...
I have no idea, but maybe it is because he is going to have Giants with him and also the dementors.
Or maybe it is because he put his plans more carefully then the last time...
But even thow LV hasn't heard the hole prophecy he still knows that Harry is a danger to him so, i can say that it is enough.
But i think that both sides are going to be more powerfull and more prepared then the last time.
(Since Harry recked everything for him)

[Mad I]

Yes, this is shaping up to be a huge battle. Hopefully, the leaders will not be ignorant. The fact that Harry's blood is in Voldemort could prove to be a poison (as is being discussed in the thread with that name).

[Hpmons]

I have to agree that it is harder for Voldemort to become stronger if everyone knows who is DEs are. But here are some factors that will help his rise of power:

- Dementors
- Giants
- Other creatures (Trolls, Vampires, Snakes...)
- He knows about the prophecy (roughly)
- He and his DEs can still bribe, threaten, or use the Imperius Curse to gain more followers; these followers wont be known to the ministry.
- He will be better prepared, having mulled over what he want to do in the 14 years or so that he had no body (I mean, what else could he have been thinking about, apart from possessing snakes?)
- There may still be some (though few, since the Daily Prophet now believe he is back) people who dont believe he is back.
- The DEs and Voldemort are still powerful, reguardless of whether people know who they are.

- Voldemrots just bluming clever! He will always come up with clever plans...

[Rowayda]

He will become stronger because the death eaters are with him as well as the dementors, which he can order to administer kisses on people, seeing as a patronus is supposed to be quite difficult to produce.

[insaneone]

He will become stronger because the death eaters are with him as well as the dementors, which he can order to administer kisses on people, seeing as a patronus is supposed to be quite difficult to produce.

True, but whe've seen in PoA that one good patronus can get rid of lots of Dementors so the Dementors will not be such a threat, and a patronus might not be the only way to repel a dementor.
Lupin said there were several ways to scare them off and I think the Patronus Charm is just one of them.

And at the end of OotP Hermoine is reading snippets from the Daily Prophet about how to repel Dementors. If most wizarding famillies get the Daily Prophet they should know how to defend themselfs against Dementors.

[RJLupin]

- Voldemrots just bluming clever! He will always come up with clever plans...

I thik that is the most important thing right there, Voldemort isn't stupid. He hasn't been wasting these 14 years he has obviously been planning something out. He had the plan to get the prophecy but that fell through, the 6th and 7th books we will be seeing his cunning plans unfold and hopefully be stopped.

[RedCape]

He's the bad guy. He has to be powerful to be worthy of defeat by the hero. I trust JKR to work it all out.

True, Voldemort's had a bit of a set back, but not as much of one as when he attacked baby Harry.

[GryffindorSeeker]

Voldemort will gain more supporters and more people under his control. There is always the possiblilty he has Fudge under his control, and that would be very good for him. He could get some giants, the demenetors and loads of others, but I have no idea what all he has in his control.

[Weasley24]

Voldemort is going to get a majority of all the magical creatures. We know he will use the Imperious Curse on people, because he's done that before. I have a feeling he's going to try to get into the Ministry, and get some of them under it. Not him personally, but maybe a Death Eater we dont yet know about that works there.

And of course, he's brilliant. That could help too.

[Houler_7S]

nbVoldemort has now some toubles but remember how he rised and begined from zero and now getting all those creatures and with some information about the order I doubt he will be weaker

[Auror77]

Remember, Voldemort said that using Harry's blood would make him even stronger than before. Also, that prophecy that Trelawney made during his Divination test in his 3rd year said that Voldemort would return, even more powerful than before. I'm really worried about the Death Eaters imprisonment. I just don't think we have seen the last of Malfoy and the other scum. Seems to me they were removed from the picture a little earlier then expected. On a another note, Voldemort still has Death Eaters. There are others that were of course not mentioned and Wormtail is with Voldemort.

[FawkesBox]

Although I think that it is possible as was aforementioend that Voldemort has become more powerful than ever- I think that it is more important to look at whether or not he is powerful enough... that is even though he may have increased in power, it does not mean that it is less easy to defeat him. The OOtP is more organized than before etc etc... And still, Harry comes out alive (albeit with some help from DD) in essence Voldemort is still not powerful enough to defeat him so even though he may have"more power" still it is not enough for him to win.

[DoctorWho]

become stronger...

He has just suffered a humiliating defeat...

Lost all his key DE's to prison...

He has one BIG obsession and obstacle right now...Harry Potter...he has wasted a year trying to find a secret that would have been key to his successful return...he knows that he cannot proceed with any campaign until he gets Harry out of the way...and because of this and in spite of the Dementors/remaining DE's/and whoever else he tries to recruit...

This obsession on Harry Potter and not knowing about Harry's special power will be his downfall...

What will be interesting is how JKR will play this out in the final two books...

[hesdead-dealwithit]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Voldy have the giants last time? And they're not so bad - a good Conjunctivits Curse finishes them off. And there are only 80 of them. And about the DEs in prison, in the final chapter of OotP, the Prophet said that the dementors had revolted, so I'm not so sure that they will be back out real soon. Eventually they will - we have to see Malfoy again, for one, but there is a reason Bella wasn't captured: she will be fighting right away. DD isn't so stupid to let the Ministry throw the DEs back to Voldy right away. He'll get them back, but it might take time as they will be guarder by something new.

[Baron_G]

Despite his losses, I think the one faction weaker than Voldemort at the moment would be the Ministry. They are going to end up paying for ignoring his return. I refuse to believe he wasted his one year of secrecy in the sole pursuit of that prophecy, though it might have been a personal enough obsession for him to dream about it so relentlessly. No, we were told that he's building up his army of dark creatures again, and that the prophecy was just an extra thing that he he didn't have the first time.

The Order may know what he's upto, but they still don't have the numbers since nobody was willing to believe them and if he's been actively recruiting, by bewitchment or threats, they may be hard put to it.

Book 6 is going to end in Lord Voldemort having the upper hand. Either with Dumbledore's death or the destruction of the Ministry or an attack on the Order itself. I'm sure of it.

[hesdead-dealwithit]

Despite his losses, I think the one faction weaker than Voldemort at the moment would be the Ministry. They are going to end up paying for ignoring his return. I refuse to believe he wasted his one year of secrecy in the sole pursuit of that prophecy, though it might have been a personal enough obsession for him to dream about it so relentlessly. No, we were told that he's building up his army of dark creatures again, and that the prophecy was just an extra thing that he he didn't have the first time.

Book 6 is going to end in Lord Voldemort having the upper hand. Either with Dumbledore's death or the destruction of the Ministry or an attack on the Order itself. I'm sure of it.

I totally agree with everything you said, especially the last paragraph.

About the thing that LV did besides the prophecy, maybe it had to do with Wormtail? I think he might have been on a secret mission in the book, which is why we didn't see him. However, I wouldn't be certain that the prophecy wasn't all that LV was trying to do. Remember, while we as readers are constricted by seven books, LV has essentially unlimited time. So one year wouldn't really matter if the rest of what he wanted to do could take ten years or more.

[insaneone]

He was after more this year,

1st of course the prophecy, but has also made contact with the giants, persuaded the Dementors to his side and freed 10 Death Eaters from Azkaban.

To me it seems that he's been quite busy for his first year back among the living.

And about Wormtail, Voldie probaly gave that filthy rat some job he thinks is good enough for him, like cleaning Voldies hideout and washing his clothes.

[Ronald Weasley]

It is hard to think that Voldemort can be more stronger and more powerful than ever before. But if you think about it really hard, it really is fairly easy.

This is my evidence to back up my theory:

- First of all, keep in mind this is the SECOND time Voldemort is in his regular form. He has a body and is not a weak, spirit thingy that glides around anymore.
- Second of all, since it IS the second time Voldemort is in his regular form, everyone remembers what it was like the first time. Some people might join him, in fear that they will be killed if they dont. Voldemort will get more followers and supporters.
- Third of all, Voldemort has all the creatures and beasts on his side including goblins, dementors, trolls, and giants.
- Lastly, Voldemort also remembers what happened last time he was in full power, and is learning from his mistakes. If you remember, the reason why Voldemort was trying to get the prophecy in the first place was because he thought it would help him i finally defeating Harry. Dumbleore said that Voldemort is trying to obtain an object that he didnt have before, so he could be more powerful than he was before.

So those are all the reasons why i think Voldemort will be more poweful than ever.

[schwarzendrache]

Also, the Ministry would well have been infiltrated by "sleepers" by now. Just as Baron_G said, I don't think Voldemort was idle for this whole year just dreaming of the prophecy and recruiting giants & dementors. By Book 6, we'll probably see the main bulk of his army, which will probably consist of many seduced/forced/whatever'd wizards and witches & all those magical creatures.

[shelly_potter]

I expect he'll go ahead with his plans to try to become immortal.....

[Gandalf_the_White]

He is more powerful because of the fact that now he can only be destroyed by Harry. He may not know this but he knows that Harry has the Power that can defeat him. His goal will be to kill Harry, he has no broad goals, just to kill Harry. Harry is about to be caught in a storm.

[Nys]

I'm not sure if this is gonna be ok and the right place to put this, but didn't it say in Trelawny's second prediction which was made to Harry that Voldermort would rise again more powerful than before? I'm pretty sure it did so how can he be more powerful than before? What's gonna be different this time around (apart from there not going to be some kid that he can lose his powers marking as an equal).
Does this mean that there are going to be a lot more deaths in the next 2 books creating the feeling that Voldermort is bigger and worse than ever? If not how is he going to be worse than he was the last time around?

[Ishy]

Well....if you remember, when Harry was kidnapped and Voldy used his blood to return to corpal form. And Harry is undoubtedly special. Now, whatever protection that Lily had left in Harry, Voldy has. Which is wahy he was able to touch harry at the cementary. Thus making him more powerful. Concequently whatever weakness harry had, now voldy has (physical/blood that is).

Also, Voldy has support from the Dementors, and from the Giants, and knows what else.

[Nys]

I don't think I expressed what I meant very well. Trelawny said that Voldermort would rise more powerful and terrible than he was before. To be this seems like to gain this sort of name he would have to do far more terrible things than he had before Harry. Thereby inferring that there would have to be a lot more deaths of people.
Also, as I understood, the charm that Lilly used to protect Harry only protected him from Voldermort. I don't quite know why I have this idea but from this I would suggest that other people could kill Harry.
What I'm really asking is what is Voldermort going to do that will have people sayign that he is more powerful and terrible than before.

[Weatherby]

But doing more of the same is more terrible. That's more lives to be wrecked. Do you mean something catostrophic like destroying Hogwarts and thus the foundation of the wizarding world?

[Picko]

I think it's possible for it to be more terrible than before by eliminating the hope that the wizarding world has, by that I'm directly referring to Dumbledore. I and others have felt for a long time that he'll probably pass away and thereby leave the wizarding world without a hero or champion to defend them in battle. I think in Dumbledore's death we would have a way in which Voldemort could rise up more terrible than before.

[SnorkackCatcher]

"Greater and more terrible than ever before" implies that Voldemort has, or will have, some new powers that he didn't have before. We know that using Harry's blood gave him some kind of extra protection, although it's not clear to me exactly what it's given him - doubtless that will be expanded upon in Book 6 or 7, and become important as a plot point. The "more terrible" bit also suggests he'll be even scarier than he was before, so in the next two books we should be seeing some really bad things happen!

[Nys]

"Greater and more terrible than ever before" implies that Voldemort has, or will have, some new powers that he didn't have before. We know that using Harry's blood gave him some kind of extra protection, although it's not clear to me exactly what it's given him - doubtless that will be expanded upon in Book 6 or 7, and become important as a plot point. The "more terrible" bit also suggests he'll be even scarier than he was before, so in the next two books we should be seeing some really bad things happen!

This is what I'm also thinking, as much as I don't want to think it I do think that Dumbledore probably will die somewhere in the next 2 books. I wish for this not to happen as much as I had wished that Sirius didn't die (before book 5 came out) so its probably gonna happen. :upset:

Maybe he does become immortal and somehow gets the better of Harry (for a little bit), with Dumbledore out of the picture the entire Wizzarding world would be in an uproar, at least last time they had had Dumbledore. Maybe it'll come out that there is a lot of things that have been happening in the background in the last year that the public has no idea about and is really really evil.

[Dedalus]

One idea could simply be that he's risen with more wrath. He's got a bit more to fight for and might be a little more cautious, a little less stuck on the idea that he's never going to be beaten. So it could be that Voldemort himself is greater and more terrible, because he's got more in him to be so.

But I like the idea (well I don't, but you know what I mean) of them wreaking more havoc than before, because there needs to be a point of total chaos. I mean, the Order of the Phoenix were thinking they had one over on the Death Eaters, that it was better and easier than before ... it needs not to be!

[rotsiepots]

I think the point of contention within Trelawney's prediction is the word "greater". Certainly with "greatness" comes more power, so the two are interrelated.

I don't think Voldemort has thus displayed any signs of being "greater" than his former self. He has book six and parts of book seven to prove us wrong. It could just be that his terror will be more widespead and thus he will achieve "greatness" that way, not that he'll acquire the magical equivalent of an H-bomb. I don't think Trelawney's prediction necessarily infers that he's going to have new powers; simply the ones he has now will be used to greater effect or will be more potent.

[ginnybatbogeysyou]

When I first read Trelawny's second prediction I thought his powers were going to be a lot bigger when he returned.
But after seeing this topic I agree with the idea of his return being much more terrible. When LV's first period of doom started, the wizards and witches probably didn't really know what was happening to them. People were murdered, but they found out later that it was an evil wizard trying to take over the world.
Now, they already know he wants to take over the world and that he's prepared to do anything for it. Therefore, his return is greater, because everybody knows what's coming and is scared before anything even happened.

[Liselle]

I'm not so sure if Voldie will be worse than before, I think his return will be augmented by the fact the Ministry of Magic and Fudge in particular ridiculed Harry and Dumbledore and hid/didn't accept the fact that he was back.....so a year or so went by without people being able to get elementry precautions together....thats surely worse than before as last time people at least knew what was happening, the ministry this time round managed not to give people the chance

course maybe he will be worse, more attacks and worse attacks...who knows...I suppose we just have to wait till book six appears (faster faster faster!)

[jerb]

This time around could be worse with less deaths or a lower rate of deaths than before. It is possible that he will create more fear among the people than the first time, and in that way it would be worse. Some of the worst times can be spent just sitting around waiting for an attack and not knowing if it will come or not.

It will probably be worse the second time than it was during his first attempt at power.

[Skylark]

I agree with the suggestions that Book 6 will end with LV having the upper hand, and that LV has some of Harry's strength...

Also, I get the feeling that the last war was less in the open-which added to the terror LV induced...people didn't know who was on what side or sometimes, what was going on. I think now that LV has lost the element of surprise it's going to be all out total war. Not at first, but definately by the end of Book 7. He's amassing a huge army-people know who his top DE's are-and you'd better bet they're busting out of Azkaban soon-so, rather than having the DE's be a scary, secret society that does imperious curses, nasty errands and assassinations of mudbloods and those who stand in their way-they'll be an all out fighting force who attacks everything in the path. Does that make sense? I see huge ambushes and attacks on places maybe even Hogsmeade or Diagon Alley-But definately, there will be a huge battle at Hogwarts-since that's the one thing LV didn't do in the first war, it's where Harry is, and if he does kill DD in Book 6, Hogwarts is no longer as safe as it was.

[canteurervan]

You guys are guessing only the predictable places that the coming war might occurs. I think Rowling will realize it and hence throws in more surprises than we might imagine.

First of all, we don't know whether there will be a war, dueling kind of war, at all. All we know is the war has begun. And, what do opponents do when the war starts? Beside attacking the opponents, they themselves have to keep preparing, i.e building up bigger army, and the process of such preparation isn't simple. Notice that even though Fudge now know that Voldy returns, it doesn't mean he will easily listen to DD. He might start acting even more stupidly than before, who knows?, which is then even a bigger obstacle to the Order.

I just can't imagine how the war can happen in such places as Hogwarts, Diagon Alley, or Hogsmeads. It doesn't make sense at all. First of all, Hogmeads is just an entertainment place. Why should the deatheaters come to such a place looking for a fight? Diagon Alley is the most crowded place with wizards. No deatheaters stupid enough to bark in there and start a fight. Remember Lupin mentioned last time? The reason that deatheaters took down many great wizards from last time was because they take the fight of many-to-one. Obviously, Hogwarts can't be the place for battle either. No way!!! The proof is right in Hogwarts. Not only Hogwarts are protected by great wizards,i.e teachers, ghosts, poltergiests(Peeves), wizards from picutures (in Dumbledore's office in book 5, remember a wizard asks DD to let her/him to stunt Phineas since Phineas ignored DD's calling ??!), but Hogwarts is also packed with numerous of powerful and dangerous creatures as well. Hagrid himself has an army of dangerous creatures inside the forest. And I bet there are more mysteries about Hogwarts that we don't know of. So, don't hope such a war can happen at Hogwarts.
Ok, if the war really happens, I mean really 'would happen', there should be some new place we do not know of yet. Somewhere that Voldy's business is interferred by Harry, or vice versa.

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[canteurervan]

I would think Voldy's power is more like both magical power and the knowledge power. Voldy now knows more about his enemy, which is Harry, than 13 yrs ago. Not only that, he now can even touch Harry, overcoming the last mistake that almost got him to the graveyard. His army know includes Giants who are not easy to be defeated with magic. Example? look at Hagrid.

His power is his understanding of magic, his understanding of Harry's weaknesses, and DD's as well. And, another one is fear among wizards. It's their fears that make Voldy's power appreciated.

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[Zachary1993]

I'm just wondering, how can Voldemort become stronger than ever before?

Half his Death Eaters are in Azkaban now, alright, they won't stay there for long without the Dementors but still, the ministry will be after them now they've realized Voldemort is back.

In the first war I imagine it was much and much harder for just like Lupin said, the Order was outnumberd, they didn't exactly know who there enemies were and Voldemort had been building up his powers for years.

Now, most Death Eaters are know to both the Ministry and the wizarding community, who will be on their guard. Voldemort still doesn't know the exact propehcy and his ego must have a serious blow when he had to flee form Dumbledore in the MoM.

All in all, Voldies situation is far from ideal so I wonder how he can become more powerfull than ever, as was predicted by Trelawny in the second propehcy.
Yes to make the story more exciting he will be stronger than before. His deatheaters will join again once he is in power.

[Weatherby]

His influence is greater. Look at the way the ministry behaved because they were too scared at the thought of him returning to power? They caused more damage themselves [long-term wise] than Voldemort did.

[FoolOnTheHill]

His influence is greater. Look at the way the ministry behaved because they were too scared at the thought of him returning to power? They caused more damage themselves [long-term wise] than Voldemort did.
Exactly.

This time, Voldemort has got fear on his side during his new rise to power. I know, he was feared before too, but this came after he was in power and had already started to do his thing. He's hardly done anything so far, but people are already scared to death of him. It may make people more likely to fall under his power, too scared to defy him. Etc.

Also, remember that the result of the prophecy about Harry is currently undecided. Harry could die. I mean, I assume that JK will have Harry win, but still, as of right now, Voldemort could hypothetically win. So, this talk about Voldemort's greater power could refer at least partially to what could happen if Harry died. If Harry dies, the world is screwed. There will be no limits to Voldemort's power if the only person who can kill him is dead.

Oh the complex world of prophecies...

[Weatherby]

That's true. Voldemort is focusing his attention on destroying Harry which affects his confidence and distracts him a bit. But if he kills Harry he'll have more confidence in his ability. In Ootp he didn't do much [seemingly] because he was focusing his energy on finding out the details of the prophecy.

Of course it's always possible someone else will be born that could defeat him. After all, Harry was only a baby when it was prophesied he could kill Voldemort.

[PlaceboAddict]

Well we know for sure he will be, just because of Trewlany's prophecy. It looks like he has the giants pretty much on his side, and Ronald Weasly said, this is his second go at power, he'll know more than before.

The only thing is, when he first came to power (kind of reminds me of Hitler), he had a theory, or an idealism that kind of actually appealed to people (the whole pureblood thing), and that's why a lot of people joined him. They didn't know how crazy it would get. Less people are going to be willing to join him because the true extent of his evil was revealed....

[canteurervan]

Well we know for sure he will be, just because of Trewlany's prophecy. It looks like he has the giants pretty much on his side, and Ronald Weasly said, this is his second go at power, he'll know more than before.

The only thing is, when he first came to power (kind of reminds me of Hitler), he had a theory, or an idealism that kind of actually appealed to people (the whole pureblood thing), and that's why a lot of people joined him. They didn't know how crazy it would get. Less people are going to be willing to join him because the true extent of his evil was revealed....

We all knew about the prophecy already, so we must know that Voldermort will be even more powerful. However, what we don't know is the big question WHY. This question is the ultimate one. What is the naturally wizarding course (magic nature) that leave us such a prophecy. Surely, the prophecy is something supernatural (beyond the magics), but there should be the natural way to explain it since after all the wizarding world is already supernatural.

***van.

[Drker2000]

Surely, the prophecy is something supernatural (beyond the magics), but there should be the natural way to explain it since after all the wizarding world is already supernatural.

Maybe what makes a wizard a wizard.

[Spirit]

I just think that it will be something like in Lord of the Rings. Voldemort will have a lot of people and other things on his side, making it hard for the good guys to win.

[aries4180]

By killing Dumbledore

[Charlatan]

I agree with everyone who said that fear is what will make him more powerful.Dumbledore said it himself,his gift for spreading fear and discord is great.The wizarding world did more damage to themselves in a single year than Voldemort did in 14.I think the people will revolt against the ministry,and by doing so,they'll no longer have a ministry.So then they'll be without the aurors and a minister to keep the peace between the good forces.Then Voldemort will have it easier than before,making it easier for him to do terrible things and making him look worse than before.Or Dumbledore could die sending the wizarding world into a massive panic.

[AlbusDumbled0re]

I think he is stronger now because he is able to touch Harry now. He would be able to kill Harry now, unlike before when Harry still had his mother's protection.