Veela and Voldemort

[BuddyBoy]

I have a feeling we may see a Veela(s) come into the books, particularly concerning the Weasly boys.

Ron was smitten by Fleur, and Bill got her. .. maybe the Lord Voldemort will use a Veela to penetrate Harry's inner circle?

DO you remeber how the Veela turned ugly in GoF?

Hmm. maybe Voldemort will send a Veela to try and siren and manipulate Ron. Maybe Hermione will be the one who can stop her.

Hmmm....

[FawkesBox]

Interesting theory. "Magical Brethern" are becoming increasingly more important. i.e. the attitude of the centaurs, the betrayal of Kreacher, Hagrid's adventures with giants...
I think that it is interesting that we have not yet heard anything about veelas! Their powers are quite formidable (they always seemed to me almost like anti-dementors) I wonder on whose side they will fall? Fleur seemed almost nice but very enigmatic and se was 1/8(?) veela. I can only wonder what they can do up close!

[WindTalker]

Vellas do seem like they are going to be a big part in the next 2 books looks like they will prob choose good side though

[Sirius83]

Well, considering they are the "anti-dmeentors" as one poster put it(and I agree with that), I believe they will probably side with the Ministry.

I also doubt JKR would try to create conflict within the Weasleys using a Veela...Bill's already interested in Fleur and Ron doesn't seem bothered...thing with Fleur is it was more lust than love on Ron's part, he just fell under Fleurs spell. The main problem though is having Ron fall under a Veela spell again and having Hermione get him out of it is straying too far from the Harry story.

[Houler_7S]

Veelas could apear to be on ministry side but ron wont mind about them

[jasper]

anti-dementor? that's a patronus. I thought Veelas were more like sirens- they'd lure you to pitch yourself headfirst out of the top box at the world cup.

I understoof the lepricans as mascots for Ireland, but what did the veela have to do with Krum's team, exactly?

[_BT_]

anti-dementor? that's a patronus. I thought Veelas were more like sirens- they'd lure you to pitch yourself headfirst out of the top box at the world cup.

that's always how i saw the veela also. i think it's most likely the veela will side with the ministry... although i wouldn't be too surprised to see voldemort attempt to recruit a couple. in any case, i think we can be sure we'll have another encounter with the veela before the series is up... or at least fleur. :tu:

[MadMagic]

I can see another encounter with Fleur, but I don't know about veela. I can't really see that happening. We already saw the effects of Veela. I don't really think we will see many more.

[rotsiepots]

I think Veelas are too selfish to do anything that doesn't serve their own interests. They like being the centre of attention; that's part of the reason for their special entrancing force.

Working for Voldemort doesn't seem to be the kind of activity that they'd be interested in carrying-out because it involves acting on behalf of another person. The Veela are too ego-centric to conform to Voldemort's demands.

[phoenixsong]

I understoof the lepricans as mascots for Ireland, but what did the veela have to do with Krum's team, exactly?
I think that they must be native to Bulgaria, just as the leprechauns are native to Ireland.

I'm not entirely certain if the Veela are completely self-centered; I mean, we don't know a lot about them, do we? Perhaps Fleur's narcissism had as much to do with the difficulties of being a part-Veela in wizard society as with something inherent to her Veela-ness. I mean, how would you cope with every male around you becoming a blithering idiot every time he came near you? Can't be entirely easy. But we really don't know whether Veela generally live in all-Veela colonies, whether and how they reproduce, whether there are male versions of Veela, etc. The Veela at the Quidditch World Cup turned into their nasty harpy-like versions only when the leprechauns made a rude gesture, right? We can assume that they are "tempermental" both from this ready anger and from Mr. Ollivander's comment about Veela-hair wands having that characteristic. But anger that powerful could be quite useful.

I think we'll definitely see Fleur, and I'm hoping that we'll see more of the scary fireball-throwing Veela power, either from Fleur or some other Veela.

[Buttercup]

If Fleur and Bill are dating I would assume that we would see more of her when we are dealing with Weasley family scenes. You know he brings her home for dinner and she meets the parents and the rest of the kids. Ron tries to control himself and falls face first in a bowl of pudding.

The Veela's did support their team at the World Cup so that tells me that they can and do support sides. I would guess that they would support Dumbledore and the order but that is a guess. I can't really picture them with the death eaters, I don't think that they would want the tattoo scaring their arms.

I would be cool to see some more veelas and their power.

Cheers

[BuddyBoy]

I think we definitely will see more Veela. Maybe more than Fleur. We see Krum as an obstacle to Herm&Ron.. or maybe just a mirror for Ron's true feeligns about her.. but what about Hermione?

I think that the Veela can provide a good distraction for Hermione. Hermione is sometimes too smart for her own good. If she gets her emotions/possesiveness for Ron impede her judgement on a Veela character, she may make the mistake of suspecting the wrong person. (Remeber when she deduced Lupin was a werewolf?)

[hermy_weasley2]

Let's remember that Fleur is only PART Veela, and I think she may just be around again sometime for maybe.....a wizarding wedding thn a baby wizard?

[EndlessDreamer]

This may be a lil of topic but does anyone else find it odd that Bill who is like 30ish is dating a 18 year?? (I'm not one to judge by age but 12 years is a lot, and they would have grown up in completely different socities)

[BuddyBoy]

who said Bill was 30 years old?

Lets see.. Bill was 11 when he entered hogwarts.. and isnt Ginny 3 when he goes? So that means Ron was 4. Okay.. so.. that means Bill is only 7 years older than Ron.. and then if Ron is in his fourth year when Fleur shows up.. that means.. Bill is 21 at the youngest.

I dont think Bill is 30.

[EndlessDreamer]

It says Bill is 30 in the HP Lexicon.

[rotsiepots]

who said Bill was 30 years old?

Lets see.. Bill was 11 when he entered hogwarts.. and isnt Ginny 3 when he goes? So that means Ron was 4. Okay.. so.. that means Bill is only 7 years older than Ron.. and then if Ron is in his fourth year when Fleur shows up.. that means.. Bill is 21 at the youngest.

I dont think Bill is 30.

We know Bill is older than Charlie and that Charlie finished at Hogwarts seven years before Harry and Ron arrived. That makes Charlie at least 29-ish in OotP and Bill several years older than that. Bill has to be 30-something.

[EndlessDreamer]

rotsiepots, wow observant and good at math! I applaude you! *clap, clap, clap*

Oh just wondering which book does it say Charlie finished seven years before Harry and Ron arrived? ( Just so I can look it up, for my own sake)

[_BT_]

This may be a lil of topic but does anyone else find it odd that Bill who is like 30ish is dating a 18 year?? (I'm not one to judge by age but 12 years is a lot, and they would have grown up in completely different socities)

assuming rotsiepots is right in her age points, then yes i find this kind of weird. not really unheard of, but a 30ish guy with an 18 year girl is kinda odd. if the relationship lasts though, it's a sure fact we'll see more of her in book 6/7. even if it doesn't i have a feeling we'll encounter her again.

[jasper]

I think that they must be native to Bulgaria, just as the leprechauns are native to Ireland.



Thanks for the response-- and for the correct spelling of leprechauns.
I guess I assumed they were native to France since Fleur is French. But it never says that her grandma was necessarily French.

[Houler_7S]

The relation between fleur and bill is really odd like 12 years or more but remember that they are in the magic world -i think that ages diference doesnt mean much because as you leave school you begin to work ( in some places others you must have other studies)
sometimes even without doing something like a college

[Weatherby]

I think Veelas are too selfish to do anything that doesn't serve their own interests. They like being the centre of attention; that's part of the reason for their special entrancing force.

Working for Voldemort doesn't seem to be the kind of activity that they'd be interested in carrying-out because it involves acting on behalf of another person. The Veela are too ego-centric to conform to Voldemort's demands.

I agree with that.
I don't see them serving the story anymore. Fleur may be around but as rotsiepots already said the rest are too selfish to act on either side.

They are a bit tempermental but perhaps they'll be like wizards. Some will go one way and the other another. :)

[hermy_weasley2]

As for Bill's age, I picture him as around 24 or 25. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it. :) If it ever says he's 30 in the books, I'll just skip that part. I don't know why I don't wnt him to be 30-ish, but I don't. I know it's possible, because I'm 15 and brothers are 30 and 32, but still.....I don't know.

[onetruegryffindor]

remember dumbledore broke up the fountain of magical brethren maybe that was to signify something

[EndlessDreamer]

I find all the ages and timelines scewed just cuse I assume that it's happening now not back in the 1990's

[M a r v o l o]

I hope we see more of Veelas. They're fascinating creatures.

[haycheng]

I really wonder about bill age too. I bet we will see Fleur when she and bill get marry in the end of book 7. Maybe we will meet Fleur's mon too!!

I do not think veela will play a large role in the battle though. I believe the magic creature will will sure to see more would be the house elve, globin and gaints. They are mention many time in OFTP. I dont think JKR has time to bring in more creature.

[EndlessDreamer]

Yeah times getting short and theres a lot of loose ends needed to be tied!

[akgenie117]

i can't find it in me too think Bill is 30, either. He seems much more 20ish to me, and he's staying that way in my mind.

i think the veela, at the least Fleur, will play a role in the 2nd War. We can be reasonably sure there not joining Voldy. I think the fact that JKR went to some lengths to describe the veela and their effects shows that they will play a semi-important roles in the future.

[EndlessDreamer]

or she was just telling us what they were cuse i think most ppl know what leprechauns are, and there had to be something to start the game, just like any sport game in teh "real" world

[Fenella Evangela]

Veelas could work their magic on DEs, or even Voldie himself! I'd think he would want to keep them from infiltrating the group. They could be used by the Order to spy on the DEs by seducing them then questioning them, or something.

[phoenix_gurl]

I don't think that LV would fall for the Veela's Magic, but who knows. I think that the Veelas may side with dumbledore since Felur is part Veela and may ask them too on Bill's request. I'd be funny if they worked their magic on the DE though. i can see LV going ballistic!:)

[EndlessDreamer]

I can just see Fleur trying to seduce Voldie.

F- You look nice and evil today
V- Uh huh
F- If I give you a kiss, you have to promise to NOT kill Harry
V- Anything for you my dear.

hahaha but of course JK"s writing would be much better!

[Pucko]

all the magical creatures are becoming more important and they will play a big part in the final battle...and they will entrance those on the other side (and chuck fireballs), so it will probably be (at least a bit) important what side they're on...then again, what are magical earplugs for?

[Buttercup]

Endless dreamer, you are so bad!!!!! That was too funny. I can imagine her trying to rub his bald head with scented oil. Maybe getting him a heat lamp since snakes like the heat. EWWWWW GROSSSSS.

I think that the statues at the end of OoTP were symbolic that in order to defeat evil everyone will need to come together including Veelas. Yes I would love to see a Veela hurl a fireball at Lucius.

Cheers

Buttercup

[Tirwen Lupin]

About Bill's age:
I think in GoF he's 22/23. When he and Mrs. Weasley come to see Harry, he says it was 5 years since he had been there. (not sure though, I don't have the book at hand) . I think he was probably talking about when he had been in his 7th year, but he might have been visiting Hogwarts again sometime later for some reason, I don't know.
And back on the subject of veelas: I agree that they're too selfish to want to join someone's side. They like beign the center of attention by themselves. But their powers would be a huge asset to whoever managed to get them on their side. I think LV's side would be more likely... they would just fit well there, moslty because of how their powers are sort of like a selective, less powerful imperius curse. Then again, they might join the good guys for some reason.
Something might play out like with the Giants in OotP: both sides send envoys to the veela, and it's up to them about who to join. Or not, I really have no idea :lol:

[wizbling]

Well, in the wizarding world, life-spand is alot longer than muggle world. For instance, DD is 150 and teh lady that gave DD his OWLS is still alive!!! So it doesnt matter is there is a 12 year difference between Weasley and Fleur . I say: Let there be love!!!

Cheerio!

[EndlessDreamer]

Endless dreamer, you are so bad!!!!! That was too funny. I can imagine her trying to rub his bald head with scented oil. Maybe getting him a heat lamp since snakes like the heat. EWWWWW GROSSSSS.

I think that the statues at the end of OoTP were symbolic that in order to defeat evil everyone will need to come together including Veelas. Yes I would love to see a Veela hurl a fireball at Lucius.

Cheers

Buttercup

Thanks Buttercup lol. I like your idea about the scented oil and heat lamp lol. And I agree about the statues being symbolic!

[RAC wEASLEY]

I hope we see more of the Veelas, but I would like that we see Fleur again, and that she has a big, big, big role. I don't know why, but I want her back on the books, not as a mention, I want her to appear and have a big and exciting role.
I always wanted her to be a DADA teacher so maybe, but it would be better if she marry Bill and have a baby.
I think the Veelas will play a big role on the war, they have amazing powers and they would make a great addition to the army, I think they would join DD side, but some wil, go with Voldemort.

[BuddyBoy]

I just got done rereading GoF, and I dont think Fleur will come back as a DADA.

The first time I read it, i thought for sure Fleur would come back becuase she says she wants to get, ".. a job 'ere to eemprove my eenglish.."

i first took that as she wanted to get ajob at Hogwarts, but I think it just meant a job in England.

By OotP, we learn that she gets a job (I think at Gringotts) and Bill is helping her with her English. We also learn that Bill is no longer getting gold from pyramids, but has a desk job.

If Bill and Fleur are workign with the Goblins, it would be a GREAT way to have relations with Goblins, to make sure they dont join forces with Voldemort. Also, maybe Fleur could use her Veela powers of persuasion to help win them over.

[Liselle]

Unless the Veela or Felur in particular is again meant to highlight Ron being the underachiever of the weasley family (not that I would describe him in that way myself!).....the fact that Ron didn't seem too bothered by the fact that Bill was with Fleur may give substance to the theory that Ron and Hermionie are themselves together

Liselle

[ducky1515]

I'm glad this thread exists.

I was thinking if Lord Thingy is so hung up on "purebloods" of the wizarding world, why would any of the other magical creatures want to join him?

The velas, the goblins, the leprichauns, the merpeople, even the giants, no matter how powerful would never be considered the equal to Voldemort and his wizarding followers.

Some of the creatures, like the Dementors, might benefit under his reign. And the MOM has not exactly produced a stellar record of magical co-exisitence. But these creatures must look at the way the world would be run under Voldemort and be very afraid.

[EndlessDreamer]

the fact that Ron didn't seem too bothered by the fact that Bill was with Fleur may give substance to the theory that Ron and Hermionie are themselves together

Oh my I didnt even notice that, guess that means its time to reread!

[morgan le fay]

i never considered that, ducky.... but i bet his DE's have got blackmail of somekind orsome terrible curses theyd turn on others if they said no. :(

anyway, i think itd be great if the veelas tried to seduce the DE's and distract them so that the order could go in for the kill (or incapacitation, or temporary unconsiousness, or whatever lol). they could be so useful, since most of the DE's are males!

[EndlessDreamer]

Ha seducing the DE's would really make the books for an older audience I mean really can you see a nine year old reading about that tehe it makes me laugh

[morgan le fay]

well, okay, maybe not seducing in a mature and adult connotation but..... maybe.... luring the DE's to their deaths.... kind of like the sirens did in ancient greek mythology lol

[Tirwen Lupin]

Morgan le fay, that's an idea. The veela could be used by the Order to lure the DEs ...But I wonder how the Order would bring the veelas over to their side? Maybe Fleur will help persuade them, being related to the veelas herself?

[EndlessDreamer]

Lol lure is a better word, and that would be cool if Jk used the siren idea to help explain it!

[potterfan300]

I recently just read a very interesting editorial entitled Veela, the Overlooked Menance.
It had several good points. I copied and pasted it down here.
I think it has room for dicussion.



EDITORIAL IS DOWN BELOW!!!!!











Veela, the Overlooked Menace
An original editorial by Michelle Sonntag




The Quidditch World Cup was a busy time in the Harry Potter books. In a matter of hours, we learned the names and general demeanors of several new characters, got our first good look at a properly done memory charm, saw the biggest Quidditch game in the series, and got our first glimpses of Veela. This may not have seemed important at the time, but I think it is clear by the number of times the magical creatures come up, and their interaction with the Trio, that they are highly significant.

First, let us look at the origin of the creature. "Veela" comes from the Scandinavian "Vila," which are beautiful female creatures that dance under cherry trees and are, in truth, harmless. However, Veela in the Harry Potter world are clearly more malevolent. In the Quidditch World Cup, the beautiful Veela mascots are angered by the referee and the Leprechauns into reverting to their other form - that of scaly, fierce-looking beaked creatures. In this way, the creatures are much more like Succubae, beautiful female demons who lure men into making love to them and then revert to their demonic form and suck out the victim's soul. This comparison - Veela to Succubae instead of Veela to Vila - gives a clearer idea of the true nature of these mysterious creatures.

Next, it is important to note the prevalence of Veela in book four. First introduced at the Quidditch World Cup, they are kept in the story by Fleur DeLacour, who is one-fourth Veela. What makes this so important is their effect on key characters. At the World Cup, the Veela first affect both Harry and Ron, but later Harry is able to take his fingers out of his ears (so that he can listen to Hermione) without any ill effects. Also - after the match, in the forest - the trio come across a group of Veela and Ron is immediately sucked in by their charm, while Harry doesn't seem affected at all. The same happens at Hogwarts with Fleur. While Harry does think Fleur is pretty, it is Ron who goes all "drooly" whenever she's around.

Why is this important? Two reasons. First: Ron is a key character, and anything that affects him could potentially affect the story. Second: The same relationship is seen with the Imperius Curse; Harry almost fights it off his first time, while Ron is still under the effects of it after class is over. This last suggests that the Veela's power works in the same way as the Imperius Curse, a favorite tool of Voldemort's. We know that Veela are powerful (they start throwing handfuls of fire at the leprechauns); Voldemort could be planning to recruit them for his "army of creatures" (GoF 651). They would be a powerful weapon, reducing men into blithering idiots, but, thankfully, they wouldn't work on Harry.

4/13/04


Wow I never thought about it, what do you think? Veelas will side with Voldermort?
Any thoughts?

[Cat]

This article makes a mistake. Either there are two Scandinavian mythological species named Veela (or Vila, or Vily or Wily etc.), one malevolent and one benevolent, or the nature of the Veela alters through account. But there are most definitely tales of malevolent Veela of mytholgy, wicked shapeshifters, whose dance lures men to their deaths.

This kind of buggers up the whole argument, because it means that J. K. Rowling did not purposefully alter them to suit her story.

EDIT: no, that's unfair. Veelas might still be Dark creatures who will side with Voldemort. They certainly seem like Dark creatures.

[Sherlock Holmes]

This fits pretty well with The Veelas' influence over Harry, so I'll merge it.

[Cat]

But it's not the same subject, whether it 'fits in well' or not. Just because they're both about Veelas doesn't mean they should be merged.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Good point Cat. I re-reviewed the article: most of it deals with the nature of veela, suggesting their possible connection with Voldemort at the end, and I missed that. Now I think it actually fits with Along Came a Veela... which deals with veela and Voldemort.

So I think I'll move this article in to that thread, and retitle it "Veela and Voldemort". Sorry about the confusion. :)

[Doggy]

About Veelas, sure they'd be a powerful weapon for Voldemort, but they'd also be dangerous for him. After all, it wouldn't be good for Voldemort if the Veelas suddenly decided they didn't want to go after the Order/good people any more, and started turning on the blast at Death Eaters.

There doesn't seem to be any real way of controlling them, other than the usual curses, nothing especially designed for Veelas, so the Veelas could just turn on the charm if they wanted to quit working for Voldemort.

Even if all Death Eaters mightn't get bewitched, I wonder if Voldemort would take the risk.

[strwznbrry]

I think that the only Veela we will see again will be Fleur and maybe only because she works at Gringotts now. I think that it would be cool that the veela would side with one side or the other because as was stated before they could pull off some amazing tricks but I just don't see how they could be worked into the story. As others have said they could switch sides in a minute if they wanted too. Plus there are not just guys on both sides there are girls too so I see the problem of having the Veelas try there luring stuff and like Bella coming to the rescue of the other DE or something.

[noodle]

I don't know whether they will be included in the future books or not, but I would certainly like it if they were!
I find Veelas and Fleur really interesting characters and would love to see more of them.. :)

[MichSon]

Hey, did an ego search on google yesterday and found my editorial in this thread. I don't know if anyone watches it anymore, but in case they do, I just thought I'd add my input.
1) Bill's age - Jo recently said on her official site that Bill is two years older than Charlie, who is three years older than Percy, making Bill 24 during OotP.
2) About whether or not Voldemort would take the risk of using Veela or whether or not the veela would want to join; this requires a few points of thought. Firstly, Voldemort is obviously not the sanest apple in the bunch, and his followers' wellbeing doesn't seem to matter to him at all so long as they are loyal. On that point, he may actually use the Veela's attractiveness to ensure loyalty and lure others to his side. Secondly, we must remember that this is literature, so it's not so much whether the fictional characters Voldemort or the Veela would do this or that as what Jo wants to do, and that is why I focused so much on Veela as a literary device in my editorial.
Thanks for your time!